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Speaker 6: got super Bowls set and clearly there's a lot of
Speaker 6: fatigue with really both these teams. And I've often tried
Speaker 6: to embrace greatness whenever it comes to sports, because you know,
Speaker 6: there are athletes, teams, dynasties. I guess that become pretty
Speaker 6: easy to dislike you get tired of them. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think fatigue is a real thing in sports as
Speaker 6: a viewer, but I feel like, more often than not,
Speaker 6: when that's happened in my life as a fan, I've
Speaker 6: been able to, you know, not let it consume me,
Speaker 6: right like, not make it to it's not let me
Speaker 6: got to get to the point where I just don't
Speaker 6: want to watch, because there are teams that I just
Speaker 6: genuinely don't like or don't want to see win. But
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do it.
Speaker 6: I cannot imagine that I'll avoid the super Bowl because
Speaker 6: I just I mean talk about fomo, like if like
Speaker 6: if the super Bowl's on and everybody, because socially, there's
Speaker 6: not a person I know that that is not doing
Speaker 6: something for super Bowl. Rather it be I mean, I
Speaker 6: shouldn't say doing something. Maybe you're not going to a party,
Speaker 6: but like it's appointment viewing for a lot of people,
Speaker 6: even if you're not like a big sports fan. Clearly
Speaker 6: sports a big part of my life. So it's not
Speaker 6: like I'm saying here I'm so upset that I just
Speaker 6: don't want I won't watch. I'm gonna watch, but man,
Speaker 6: the fatigue is at an all time high. And I
Speaker 6: can acknowledge greatness with Mahomes and the Chiefs, I can
Speaker 6: even acknowledge maybe not greatness, but like the Eagles, they
Speaker 6: have a very great franchise, they have a winning culture.
Speaker 6: This is their second time there in three years. They're
Speaker 6: not that far removed from winning one with Nick Foles,
Speaker 6: so you know they're they're great too. But man, I
Speaker 6: just I don't like either of these teams really, And
Speaker 6: I'm sure when this thing kicks off next Sunday, it'll
Speaker 6: just be automatic for me. I want to have to
Speaker 6: think about it at all. I'm gonna be cheering for
Speaker 6: the Eagles. I just imagine that's what will take place.
Speaker 6: But I think it just seemed like last night the
Speaker 6: haters know that they're haters for reasons that are you know,
Speaker 6: really just they fall under being a hater, right, Like
Speaker 6: I don't I've said this many times since the Mahomes
Speaker 6: and the Chiefs have really been in this position, which
Speaker 6: has been a long time folks, Like, I know, they've won,
Speaker 6: they've won two in a row. This will be the
Speaker 6: three peat if they get it done. But even before
Speaker 6: the first one here of this potential three peat, like
Speaker 6: they were the face of the NFL when it comes
Speaker 6: to their franchise, right once, once the Patriots kind of
Speaker 6: faded away, it became the Chiefs. And even before then,
Speaker 6: the Chiefs were already sort of a big deal in
Speaker 6: the NFL. So I've always felt like, man, I wish
Speaker 6: they were a little bit more easy to hate. I
Speaker 6: think Travis Kelce is a pretty easy guy to know,
Speaker 6: can't stand Yeah, I mean, and I think he probably
Speaker 6: would even you know, like tell you that, like that's
Speaker 6: kind of part of his brand. But ay reads not
Speaker 6: easy to dislike. Yeah, I don't know many Chiefs fans.
Speaker 6: I think if I did live around them, then maybe
Speaker 6: it'd be a little easier. But one of my bigger
Speaker 6: and I'm sure Kentucky fans feel the same way. And
Speaker 6: Austin I know. You know this when you think of
Speaker 6: like the you know, the anti Kentucky vibe that Louisville
Speaker 6: fans have and vice versa.
Speaker 3: On the other.
Speaker 6: Side, because players, coaches and all that, they come and go,
Speaker 6: you don't maybe maybe you do think of a specific fan,
Speaker 6: like maybe if you're a Louisville fan and you're a
Speaker 6: hater of Kentucky, maybe you just think of Mad Jones,
Speaker 6: And if you do, I get it, Like I understand,
Speaker 6: but like you just think of their fan base in general,
Speaker 6: and you know that not every fan is the same
Speaker 6: and all that kind of stuff. But like with the Chiefs,
Speaker 6: I really don't know what makes them so hateable other
Speaker 6: than the fact that they're really really good. Like Pat
Speaker 6: Mahomes last night, he did the weird he messed up
Speaker 6: trying to spike the ball and then he kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, he had fun with it and you know,
Speaker 6: tried to make I guess, make fun of himself. Like
Speaker 6: I think he seems to be a pretty likable guy.
Speaker 6: Like I haven't watched the show, but it hit me
Speaker 6: last night. I think the reason that the Quarterback show
Speaker 6: that I have not yet watched on Netflix that's now
Speaker 6: really old. I think they've done like two seasons or something. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but everybody tells me that like Pat Mahomes seems like
Speaker 6: a pretty down to earth, chill guy that like, you
Speaker 6: probably won't think he's like the best dude in the
Speaker 6: world if you watch it, but you'll probably find him
Speaker 6: pretty hard to really dislike. Because Yeah, and one thing
Speaker 6: that I think that he has done well that like,
Speaker 6: I think he deserves more credit for. I don't really
Speaker 6: know how you go out of your way to do
Speaker 6: it because it has nothing to do with him as
Speaker 6: a player. But like his family have been huge distractions
Speaker 6: and have been, you know, awful, Like they're the ones
Speaker 6: who are really easy to dislike. His wife not as
Speaker 6: much anymore, but even every now and then, she still
Speaker 6: like just wants to inject herself into a story when
Speaker 6: she's not needed. Uh huh, and she just I mean again,
Speaker 6: this is me being honest with you. It shouldn't matter.
Speaker 6: But her voice alone, I'm like out, no, no, I'm
Speaker 6: out on her. And then there is a clown, an
Speaker 6: absolute clown that that has had Jackson. Yeah, that has
Speaker 6: been arrested for some awful stuff and I think charges
Speaker 6: were at some point drop, but like there was video
Speaker 6: surveillance of what he he seems like a real piece
Speaker 6: of work.
Speaker 3: It's dad. Hopefully he gets help, but it's dad, I
Speaker 3: mean his dad.
Speaker 6: If it wasn't Patrick Mahomes, you know, the senior, he
Speaker 6: might have been prison for as many du wise as
Speaker 6: he had. Dude, So all that's happened, and yet he's
Speaker 6: never publicly like making excuses for them, like he kind
Speaker 6: of just you know, like that would be tough to
Speaker 6: deal with. So I did a lot of thinking last night,
Speaker 6: like am I about to like embrace the Chiefs in Hell? No,
Speaker 6: I can't do it, But I just want to have
Speaker 6: something to root for in the Super Bowl, And when
Speaker 6: it starts, I'm going to be rooting.
Speaker 3: For the the Eagles. I think it'll come naturally.
Speaker 6: But I don't like the Eagles either, And I guess
Speaker 6: I'm I'm not doing what a lot of others are
Speaker 6: doing because I've seen this and I don't know if
Speaker 6: it's just like something to do for attention.
Speaker 3: But there are some people that are like, look, I.
Speaker 6: Didn't I never really liked them, but man, I'm kind
Speaker 6: of I'm kind of just being the devil's advocate here.
Speaker 6: I kind of like the Chiefs only because of how
Speaker 6: many people hate them. And you do see that from
Speaker 6: time to time, right, Like somebody is so hateable, and
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, you know it's worked for
Speaker 6: them to where they they People find redeeming qualities in
Speaker 6: people like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is the matchup.
Speaker 6: Neither of us want it, right, and it's the one
Speaker 6: we got, and I mean, I guess, I mean we'll we'll.
Speaker 6: I mean, I say, we'll see what happens. I have
Speaker 6: a very hard time seeing seeing the Chiefs lose. But
Speaker 6: then again, the Eagles have looked really impressive throughout the
Speaker 6: entire postseason, and I've mentioned it here and there over
Speaker 6: the last few weeks as the playoffs have gotten started,
Speaker 6: like they're not only good, Like I didn't realize they
Speaker 6: had a phenomenal season and they're playing really well right now,
Speaker 6: so maybe they will in fact get it done. But
Speaker 6: I think a Chief's three pet is probably what's most likely.
Speaker 3: And I'm just curious, like what.
Speaker 6: The reaction will be, because what else can be said? Right, Like,
Speaker 6: I think it'll be a lot of folks acknowledging. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Ara dynasty. Yeah they're great, mahomes get some favorable calls
Speaker 6: and they're really good, but man, I hate them.
Speaker 3: Like, don't you feel like that'll be that'll be the
Speaker 3: reaction for most.
Speaker 5: I just can't stand that meathead Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't stand to see him up there on the
Speaker 5: Winter Circle doing the you gotta fight for your right
Speaker 5: to party or because you kind of look like him
Speaker 5: and he should stop it. He's such a d bag
Speaker 5: and you see him acting like that, and it makes
Speaker 5: you makes you feel bad because you're like, wait a second,
Speaker 5: that guy looks like me.
Speaker 3: He needs to carry himself a little bit exactly.
Speaker 5: Or maybe I could just be him, except I'm unathletic,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I don't put my mind to things.
Speaker 6: I think you've got all the good traits that he
Speaker 6: doesn't have, though oh.
Speaker 2: Of course I probably got a better beard than he does.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 6: Think you look like him. Is the is the is
Speaker 6: the facial hair that's what really stood out. And you're
Speaker 6: pretty tall too.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit. I can hard one.
Speaker 6: You didn't you didn't expect me to be guessed, and
Speaker 6: you have no the first ten minutes of the show.
Speaker 5: Here like it purely there we are purely unletted gas
Speaker 5: up too.
Speaker 2: I kind of like that not diesel work.
Speaker 6: I I I'm sure there are many And I'm not asking,
Speaker 6: like for people to call in and like make this
Speaker 6: part of the show, but I am, and I guess
Speaker 6: this is you know I'm asking.
Speaker 3: But then again, I don't really want to make it
Speaker 3: a huge thing. But I just thought.
Speaker 6: About this right before the show started, and I probably
Speaker 6: could have done a little more prep to maybe answer
Speaker 6: my own question if it didn't come to me at
Speaker 6: about two fifty eight. But was there fatigue with Jordan
Speaker 6: and the Bulls? I mean again, you see, I would
Speaker 6: have know that was kind of so hourly in my time.
Speaker 6: I remember that era, but I was young. I mean
Speaker 6: I was I was between like eight seven and I
Speaker 6: was feeling like seven and ten during that run of
Speaker 6: the Bulls, and I remember being a big deal. I mean,
Speaker 6: it was all anybody talked about. But and I'm sure
Speaker 6: there were haters, like people that didn't want to keep
Speaker 6: seeing Jordan and the Bulls. When I remember as a
Speaker 6: kid knowing that Jordan got calls that other people didn't like.
Speaker 6: I remember my dad we watched you know, the Bulls
Speaker 6: and the Pacers play, and it was a weird thing
Speaker 6: for me as a kid because I was a diehard
Speaker 6: Pacers fan. Really, when I thought the pay if the
Speaker 6: Pacers had their best team, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson, Jalen Rose, Like,
Speaker 6: I'm sure it's just what I tell myself to feel
Speaker 6: better about my Pacers, But like, I feel like I
Speaker 6: would have been able to see Reggie and the guys
Speaker 6: win a ring had they not had to go up
Speaker 6: against you know, the Bulls and Jordan, and then after
Speaker 6: that it was Kobe and Shaq. So I'm sure that's
Speaker 6: just what I tell myself to feel better about it.
Speaker 6: But like, even knowing that Jordan apparently got some calls
Speaker 6: that you know, that other players didn't get, I just
Speaker 6: there could not have been this level of like just
Speaker 6: people being tired of seeing it. And I'm thinking, okay, well,
Speaker 6: maybe it's just because they were that great. You knew
Speaker 6: you were witnessing something that special to where you didn't
Speaker 6: even really let anything distract you from that. You just
Speaker 6: knew you're watching this legendary team with the guy that
Speaker 6: you know is Michael Jordan. I think even in the nineties,
Speaker 6: people knew Michael Jordan forty years later it roughly thirty
Speaker 6: years later was going to be remembered as an ultimate legend.
Speaker 6: So aren't we seeing the same thing here with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6: I mean, this guy's about to win his four Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: He's not thirty years old, is he? I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't think so old as Patrick Mahomes like he. I
Speaker 6: mean's got to be like twenty seven. You got in
Speaker 6: the league when he was like twenty eight, and when
Speaker 6: you look at yeah, he's twenty nine years old, he'll
Speaker 6: be he'll be thirty thirty incep he's twenty nine, he'll
Speaker 6: be thirty in September. But again, he's been in the
Speaker 6: league since twenty seventeen and he's been insanely good since
Speaker 6: he became their starter. We're talking about a guy who
Speaker 6: has I mean, I don't know what is what the
Speaker 6: record is, but he's certainly he has some type of
Speaker 6: record already as far as wins in the playoffs, and
Speaker 6: it might be win percentage, which of course, you know,
Speaker 6: would make total sense. But like, this guy's twenty nine
Speaker 6: years old. I don't see him slowing down. And yeah,
Speaker 6: he maybe wasn't as flashy, his stats weren't as great
Speaker 6: this year, but none of that's gonna matter with him.
Speaker 6: If they keep winning in the postseason and he keeps
Speaker 6: winning Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVPs, I mean, he's
Speaker 6: going to either He's going to even further his legacy,
Speaker 6: which has already said as one of the best of
Speaker 6: all times. So again, it sounds weird kind of saying
Speaker 6: that that Jordan's greatness is comparable to what Mahomes is
Speaker 6: doing now, but I mean it is. What I think
Speaker 6: is the biggest different is that the Internet, like social media,
Speaker 6: I mean the Internet in general, I suppose, but like
Speaker 6: Jordan benefited from there not being as much access, like
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, like there wasn't there wasn't
Speaker 6: camera phones back then. I'm not saying he was like
Speaker 6: this bad guy or anything like that, but it seems
Speaker 6: like Jordan in that era.
Speaker 3: And look, maybe I'm way off here.
Speaker 6: I'm thirty six years old, so I mean I remember
Speaker 6: Jordan playing for Chicago, but I wasn't reading the newspaper
Speaker 6: or you know, listening to I mean, in fact, that
Speaker 6: kind of media didn't really exist back then, right like
Speaker 6: you had your you had your Capital J columnists that
Speaker 6: would write some pretty scathing pieces about players and whatnot.
Speaker 6: But I mean, it was just a different world. So
Speaker 6: like if I wanted to hear haters of Michael Jordan
Speaker 6: when I was seven years old and nineteen you know,
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety four or ninety five or whatever it was,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't even.
Speaker 3: Really know where to look for that.
Speaker 6: You have to go read like a New York Times article.
Speaker 6: So I mean, I guess I'm trying to self diagnose here.
Speaker 6: I know that I'm a hater and I don't really
Speaker 6: want to be. But then again, like there are like
Speaker 6: there are see I'm trying to think, Yeah, the Warriors,
Speaker 6: I mean that I hated the Warriors and therefore, like
Speaker 6: I was all in on rooting for the Calves when
Speaker 6: it was whenever we had I mean, if you can
Speaker 6: call the rivalry, and that's what really soured me on
Speaker 6: the NBA is whenever, Like they wouldn't acknowledge that that
Speaker 6: it was a rivalry, Like they're too cool for rivalries,
Speaker 6: which the NBA's got bigger issues than just that. But
Speaker 6: my point is, like, I don't I want them to
Speaker 6: be more hateable, and yet everybody hates them, so therefore
Speaker 6: I kind of at times feel like, all right, well
Speaker 6: it's not just me. Everybody doesn't like these guys, but
Speaker 6: I mean other than other than the Taylor Swift stuff,
Speaker 6: which again, like I still don't know how legit all
Speaker 6: that is. Clearly it's not totally made up. But either way,
Speaker 6: like that just made them annoying, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: They didn't make them hate they didn't make them hate it.
Speaker 5: I think that's what sent everyone over the edge, that
Speaker 5: they were tired of it and they were just sick of.
Speaker 2: Oh ye, there's a narrative.
Speaker 5: Well, they show her every single cutaway, so I'm sick
Speaker 5: of even though that's not the truth. They do show
Speaker 5: her a lot, but I don't know, there's just something
Speaker 5: that's weird about that whole situation. I was once a
Speaker 5: swiftye way back in the day. I loved I loved
Speaker 5: the country music Taylor Swift, and I like some of
Speaker 5: her pop stuff too, but understood like the type of
Speaker 5: man that she did not want and every single song
Speaker 5: that she sung about was about like these d bags
Speaker 5: like you just said, and then she then then she's
Speaker 5: all of a sudden with one. And I know he
Speaker 5: had that catching up with Kelsey where he's just swerving
Speaker 5: women letting right.
Speaker 6: I forgot a lot about his brand before he was
Speaker 6: with her, Like he to me, he was like the.
Speaker 3: He was a gronk.
Speaker 6: And I don't mean to do like the stereotypical tight
Speaker 6: end thing, but like it's almost like he kind of
Speaker 6: wanted to be like gronk the party or the knucklehead.
Speaker 3: And look, he the.
Speaker 5: Guy that looks you know, I mean, he looks pretty
Speaker 5: and he's a handsome man, especially when he was younger.
Speaker 5: He is an athlete, he was built, so he is
Speaker 5: obviously using his platform. And I think how they ended
Speaker 5: up getting together was like as a starter show that
Speaker 5: the start of there, Yeah, it was something else. The
Speaker 5: start of their relationship started like at the beginning of
Speaker 5: that aristour a couple of years ago, and he said
Speaker 5: he answered a question on it and he said something
Speaker 5: like Taylor Swift holler at me or something like that.
Speaker 5: So it's just like using this platform and that's how
Speaker 5: he got her. Like you probably wouldn't be with her
Speaker 5: if you just weren't a part of the most famous
Speaker 5: team right now. But once again, I probably come off
Speaker 5: as like an absolute hater for that, and go ahead
Speaker 5: and bury me all you will, But that's just what
Speaker 5: I can't stand. It's there's nothing to dislike about my homes.
Speaker 5: I really do like Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: I like some of it.
Speaker 3: Ye same here.
Speaker 2: I love how they could just take a team up.
Speaker 5: They could just get rid of Tyreek Hill, they're their
Speaker 5: best receiver that they've ever had.
Speaker 2: And go out win a championship. They can just.
Speaker 5: Absolutely get destroyed by the Bucks in the Super Bowl
Speaker 5: because they don't have an offensive line, and then just
Speaker 5: restructure it the next year and then they're back like
Speaker 5: they respect that.
Speaker 6: They're absolutely in the midst of a dynasty. I don't
Speaker 6: know if there's a set criteria. I think people kind
Speaker 6: of selectively choose what is and what isn't. But I
Speaker 6: can't imagine how, even if they don't win it next Sunday,
Speaker 6: which they probably will, how you couldn't say that this
Speaker 6: is this is absolutely a dynasty, and really hearing a
Speaker 6: lot now as far as it's not one.
Speaker 3: But I think even the early stages of it.
Speaker 6: There was a lot of resistance, which again there are
Speaker 6: people probably listening right now that are like, yeah, you
Speaker 6: know what, Nick, maybe you're out of something. There's not
Speaker 6: necessarily one thing that makes them so easy to dislike,
Speaker 6: but man, I dislike him, and I know the mahomes
Speaker 6: getting favorable calls is clearly. I mean, that's been one
Speaker 6: of the bigger talking points in the playoffs this season.
Speaker 6: But I mean that's not his fault. It's the ref's
Speaker 6: fault for like rewarding him of that. I mean, maybe
Speaker 6: you don't like it what he wants, and that's fine,
Speaker 6: but I think if you were in this position and
Speaker 6: you knew that it might work, then maybe you do it.
Speaker 6: And I didn't see much yesterday that I mean, clearly
Speaker 6: there were a couple of instances where it was it
Speaker 6: was a you're just gonna have to make a decision here,
Speaker 6: like right, like the interception that they ended up ruling
Speaker 6: was that was that was late?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That was was that in that game?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 6: It was?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the interception that was I mean.
Speaker 6: Trying to think of who the receiver was that went
Speaker 6: up to get it, but then it looks it should
Speaker 6: have been it should have been in my opinion and incompletion,
Speaker 6: because I'm not sure anybody really on the ground even
Speaker 6: if Yeah ever even had had the ball. But I mean,
Speaker 6: I didn't see anything yesterday that I'm that stands like
Speaker 6: even if I did, I probably forgot about it because
Speaker 6: I don't. I've never believed that they win because of that,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? Like I wish I could
Speaker 6: embrace that, because then it would give me a real
Speaker 6: thing to latch onto. As far as why I can't
Speaker 6: stand these sobs, but I think even when they do
Speaker 6: get the benefit of the doubt from the refs or
Speaker 6: they get a call that maybe others wouldn't get, I
Speaker 6: still feel like what it comes down to is the
Speaker 6: reason it stands out to people as far as them
Speaker 6: getting preferential treatment by the officials is because they have
Speaker 6: that many haters that don't want to see them win.
Speaker 6: And oftentimes what they do is they just make you
Speaker 6: pay when you do something stupid, and they don't do
Speaker 6: as many stupid things. And you know, that's what great
Speaker 6: teams do, So you almost have to be perfect to
Speaker 6: be Yeah, and and the Chiefs and the Eagles is
Speaker 6: who it's going to be. And I think, look that
Speaker 6: was what the expectation was when it comes down to
Speaker 6: like spreads and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But man, I just I don't know.
Speaker 6: For some reason, I thought of one of the upsets
Speaker 6: would in fact happen, right, the Bills would maybe breakthrough,
Speaker 6: or the Commanders could still ride some magic. But nope,
Speaker 6: we get Eagles, we get Chiefs, and you know, it
Speaker 6: is what it is. Maybe by the time we get
Speaker 6: to Super Bowl Sunday, I'll be more energized. But like
Speaker 6: I'm in a weird way, I'm kind of glad we
Speaker 6: get a week off of football because I just, you know,
Speaker 6: I need some time because I'm not ready to embrace
Speaker 6: this matchup. But it's a Super Bowl, right, It's the
Speaker 6: biggest sporting event of the year in this country.
Speaker 5: Here, So for the parties, the Buffalo Chicken dip, some
Speaker 5: of the prop, weird prop.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're gonna have. It's a show. It's a show,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 6: We got to run. But we've got a lot more
Speaker 6: time left here. First segments in the books. But we'll
Speaker 6: talk some college basketball. Never again, guys, we can't have
Speaker 6: a week off of Louisville basketball when they're riding the
Speaker 6: momentum they're riding right now. And they didn't play this weekend,
Speaker 6: of course, but still some things we need to discuss
Speaker 6: that happen over the weekend.
Speaker 3: With this basketball.
Speaker 6: They're back in action tomorrow in a game that should
Speaker 6: have a little more juice to it.
Speaker 3: Than it does.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna revisit the whole wake Forest thing because man,
Speaker 6: they are I mean, they're a good team in my opinion,
Speaker 6: and Louisville, if they beat them tomorrow, stands very little
Speaker 6: to gain. And if wake Forest, you know, ends up
Speaker 6: missing the tournament, like it's their own fault, I think.
Speaker 6: And we'll get to that Kentucky lost. That was fun.
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Speaker 6: So after last weeks ninety eight to seventy three victory,
Speaker 6: Louisville is now up to number twenty one from twenty
Speaker 6: five in the Apeople. A lot of teams that were
Speaker 6: ranked lost last week. In fact, looks like a lot
Speaker 6: of teams really overall. I mean, look, there's the same
Speaker 6: amount of games every week and there's winner and there's
Speaker 6: winners and there's losers. But I feel like we've had
Speaker 6: two straight weeks, and I guess usually you get this
Speaker 6: in conference play when you're about a month into it,
Speaker 6: where you know you'll see In fact, I feel like
Speaker 6: you can go back and look at national championship teams,
Speaker 6: even Final four teams, and there's always like a stretch
Speaker 6: around January early February where you know they lose three
Speaker 6: out of four or.
Speaker 3: Something like that.
Speaker 6: So I'm sure some of these teams that have taken
Speaker 6: some l's as of late, you know, it's just part
Speaker 6: of it. I mean, heck, the SEC is a loaded conference.
Speaker 6: I think the Big Twelve is not as top heavy,
Speaker 6: but I think there's depth there to where you're gonna
Speaker 6: see a lot of teams. I mean, in fact, I
Speaker 6: think Houston's in the driver's seat right now in the
Speaker 6: Big Twelve after their win against Kansas. But I mean,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be shocked if, just like the SEC, you
Speaker 6: end up seeing a league champion that has more losses
Speaker 6: than you typically expect a team that wins the league
Speaker 6: to have. But Louisville up to twenty one, Kentucky now
Speaker 6: at number twelve after their loss to Vane. We'll talk
Speaker 6: some some basketball a little bit later on, but you know,
Speaker 6: rankings like the AP pole, it really is. I mean,
Speaker 6: I find myself not even really paying a whole lot
Speaker 6: of attention to it in recent years, and I now
Speaker 6: know it's because, I mean, the team that I care about,
Speaker 6: that I would want to be ranked, was never going
Speaker 6: to be ranked, and now they are. So just seeing
Speaker 6: that number next to your name when you play it
Speaker 6: doesn't do anything for your resume, It doesn't do anything
Speaker 6: for I mean it does it it quite literally when
Speaker 6: it comes to like seating in the tournament, which does
Speaker 6: matter where you're ranked or how often you're ranked during
Speaker 6: the season, and the app pole means absolutely nothing, but
Speaker 6: it you know, as a fan of it makes you
Speaker 6: feel good that your team's in the top twenty five.
Speaker 6: And you know, those that are objective voters, at least
Speaker 6: we hope they are, they view your team as one
Speaker 6: of the twenty five best teams in the country. Again,
Speaker 6: one of the little things that we used to just
Speaker 6: get used to to where now you know, we didn't
Speaker 6: have it for a long time. So Louisville up to
Speaker 6: number twenty one, Auburn. In fact, the top five remains
Speaker 6: the same. You've got Auburn at one, Duke two, Iowa
Speaker 6: State three, Alabama four, and Florida is at number five.
Speaker 6: And we'll talk some hoops coming up here shortly. Louisville
Speaker 6: a big game tomorrow against wake Forest, and it sets
Speaker 6: up nicely where they've got a chance to I mean,
Speaker 6: when it comes to the rest of the schedule, who
Speaker 6: you have not played yet in the ACC, and knowing
Speaker 6: how down the ACC is this year, this is a
Speaker 6: team that is coming off a loss to Duke. But
Speaker 6: like wake Forest, I mean, of the teams that you
Speaker 6: have left on the schedule that you haven't played, I
Speaker 6: think they're clearly head and shoulders above everybody else, which
Speaker 6: again says more about the league than anything else. Kentucky
Speaker 6: they got Tennessee tomorrow, which I mean, I don't know
Speaker 6: if i'd be one to I don't know if I
Speaker 6: would want to be limping in to that game against
Speaker 6: Caliperry on Saturday in Lexington, because I mean, you could
Speaker 6: still win. Arkansas is not good, but I don't know
Speaker 6: what I think is going to be tricky about that
Speaker 6: game is one. What happens tomorrow night in Knoxville, Kentucky
Speaker 6: finds a way to win there, that would be a
Speaker 6: big confidence boost forum as you could expect. And the
Speaker 6: guys playing in this game for Kentucky have no connection
Speaker 6: to Caliperry at all at all. I mean, they weren't
Speaker 6: recruited by him, they didn't play for him. I mean,
Speaker 6: so they're gonna know that, like it's a big game
Speaker 6: for their fans. They're going to know that that coach
Speaker 6: on the other sideline is a is a legend at
Speaker 6: Kentucky and used to coach there. So I mean, part
Speaker 6: of me says it'll be just another game for them,
Speaker 6: but I don't know. I feel like the atmosphere there,
Speaker 6: the intensity there. Heck, I mean, let's be real, Kentucky's
Speaker 6: gonna have what three players on their on their on
Speaker 6: the court for them that played at Kentucky a year
Speaker 6: ago for cal So like maybe they're the ones who
Speaker 6: you know, there's some there's some real personal proude there.
Speaker 6: They want to go play for their coach, who you
Speaker 6: know is going to be booed by fans there. But anyways,
Speaker 6: we'll get to that later on the the Super bowls
Speaker 6: Now said as we discussed that was the first segment,
Speaker 6: just here we are. The fatigue has certainly set in
Speaker 6: for many people, myself included, and Nate Berlins. Nate Burlinson
Speaker 6: said something last night after the game, and I I
Speaker 6: usually can hear this and think, you know what, he's right,
Speaker 6: but I just I can't get there yet.
Speaker 2: It is to the fan bases out there.
Speaker 4: If you're not a Chiefs fan, that's okay, but resist
Speaker 4: the urge to fall for the narrative that we're tired
Speaker 4: of seeing them win, that we might be fatigued of
Speaker 4: watching KC go to the Super Bowl over and over again.
Speaker 3: You are witnessing greatness.
Speaker 2: And just be happy that you are allowed to be
Speaker 2: there to see it.
Speaker 6: So I used to be able to hear stuff like
Speaker 6: that and say, yeah, okay, maybe that's corny, but he's right.
Speaker 6: Like whenever Lebron and I don't know how many times
Speaker 6: Lebron's going to be back in the finals, but when
Speaker 6: Lebron was when I when I was anti Lebron, and
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm kind of whatever about Lebron.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 6: Here's how I described me with Lebron. I do believe
Speaker 6: he's one of the best of all time, and I've
Speaker 6: enjoyed watching him play. I think it's cool to be
Speaker 6: able to say whenever I'm you know, seventy, god willing
Speaker 6: I live that long. I can tell my grandkids that
Speaker 6: I watched Lebron James career from start to finish, because
Speaker 6: no matter what happens from here on ow, he's going
Speaker 6: to be viewed as one of the greatest. But also
Speaker 6: I understand why people don't really care for him, you know,
Speaker 6: because he's he's Lebron and he's he said, it's not
Speaker 6: like he's he's a criminal. He's not the worst guy,
Speaker 6: but like he's also at times been very He's had
Speaker 6: very little awareness as far as how he comes off
Speaker 6: to people. And I think when you're somebody like that
Speaker 6: that's been a phenom, a global celebrity since you were
Speaker 6: a teenager, it probably is a little tough for you
Speaker 6: to have awareness like a you know, a normal citizen would. So,
Speaker 6: you know, when Lebron and the Warriors or Lebron and
Speaker 6: the Cavs, I just keep saying, Lebron, it was Cleveland.
Speaker 6: When Cleveland and Golden State kept meeting in the NBA Finals,
Speaker 6: I got some fatigue, but I was interested because I
Speaker 6: hated the Warriors so much. That gave me something to
Speaker 6: really root for whoever was playing the Warriors whenever it
Speaker 6: was Alabama was at Alabama and Clemson. I feel like
Speaker 6: that met all the time in college football championshipe like
Speaker 6: at least three years.
Speaker 3: They played each other, and you know there was fatigue there.
Speaker 6: But I remember thinking, Okay, well I'm watching Nick Saban
Speaker 6: coach Alabama, which again one of those things that I'll
Speaker 6: be I'll look back and say I was really it
Speaker 6: was really cool to be able to see that because
Speaker 6: I think his run there will be talked about till
Speaker 6: the end of time. And again, all these things you
Speaker 6: can say about Mahomes and the Chiefs, but I just
Speaker 6: I haven't been able to, I guess, grow up when
Speaker 6: it comes to them and be the mature sports fan
Speaker 6: that's just going to, you know, say, look like it
Speaker 6: or not. I'm watching greatness and that's what you want
Speaker 6: to do. And I've always said if you don't have
Speaker 6: anybody to root for, you would want to see that
Speaker 6: the two best teams left are playing.
Speaker 3: I think we have that.
Speaker 6: No, like the Bills had a chance to prove me wrong,
Speaker 6: the Ravens had a chance to prove me wrong. They
Speaker 6: couldn't come through, So I think right now, again, I'm
Speaker 6: just trying to find if you're somebody like me, that's
Speaker 6: a little bit, you know, not all in here with
Speaker 6: this matchup because of the fatigue that is set, and
Speaker 6: I'm trying to find some things that can maybe get
Speaker 6: us perked up a little bit. And I don't really
Speaker 6: know if there's anything out there. But again, the fact
Speaker 6: that you know you're going to watch the two best
Speaker 6: teams in the NFL, I mean, that's what you'd expect.
Speaker 6: But how many times in sports do we know there's
Speaker 6: a team sitting at home that should be there, right,
Speaker 6: I mean I think even the Ravens could maybe say that.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's what it could have should have If
Speaker 6: he didn't win in the in the playoffs, then you
Speaker 6: don't deserve to be there. But a lot of times
Speaker 6: in sports, I think you do, in fact have teams,
Speaker 6: Like in college basketball, it's very common, right, more often
Speaker 6: than not, the team that you believe is the best
Speaker 6: in the country did not make it there to cut
Speaker 6: down the nets at the Final four, because you know
Speaker 6: it's not easy to do. So for what it's worth,
Speaker 6: probably not much of anything. At least we can say
Speaker 6: these two teams, whoever wins this is going to be
Speaker 6: able to claim they were the best in the in
Speaker 6: the NFL, and anybody who wins the Super Bowl can
Speaker 6: say that. But I mean, heck, the last time the
Speaker 6: Eagles won it, I'm not sure we were saying that, right.
Speaker 6: You know, it was a long time ago. They were
Speaker 6: going up against Brady two. Yeah, it was Foles, Nick
Speaker 6: Foles of all people exactly, which, by the way, what
Speaker 6: an outlier for his career, right, Like, guy was never
Speaker 6: anything other than that moment in the Super Bowl and
Speaker 6: that that season really, which is is kind of crazy.
Speaker 5: But stomp the Vikings out of their magical carpet ride
Speaker 5: season in that NFC championship game and.
Speaker 3: Then who was Kirk there?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: No, I was case Keing.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I thought. Came in the very next year,
Speaker 3: That's what I thought.
Speaker 5: And so that that's that's what irritates me, just as
Speaker 5: being like a salty, begrudging Vikings fan is just like
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there watching the teams and granted, I mean
Speaker 5: Washington's really really good too. I think Minnesota plays Washington.
Speaker 5: There's no way that they win.
Speaker 2: But like watching the Eagles, watching the Bills, watching the Chiefs.
Speaker 5: Like seeing that sort of football and big players and
Speaker 5: big moments, and then just like looking at my team,
Speaker 5: it's like they're playing a completely different sport, and like
Speaker 5: just knowing what it takes to win those kind of
Speaker 5: games and just knowing in the back of my mind,
Speaker 5: like my team isn't even close to that. That's what
Speaker 5: kind of gets that. That's what irks me up a
Speaker 5: little bit. But it's it's my own damn team's fault
Speaker 5: yep I better.
Speaker 6: So the text line says, Nick, you hit it on
Speaker 6: the head. There was certainly fatigue with Jordan and the Bulls,
Speaker 6: but there wasn't social media. Therefore, it just wasn't as
Speaker 6: big of a thing. I mean, again, that's just a
Speaker 6: product of it being a different era in society, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. Like now, people at any moment
Speaker 6: can can share an opinion and probably if they don't
Speaker 6: have a big following or nobody, I mean, it may
Speaker 6: be an echo chamber, but at least they have the
Speaker 6: ability to just put it out there and say they're
Speaker 6: expressing what they want.
Speaker 3: Well, back then, like that wasn't a thing. So, I mean,
Speaker 3: everything was different in the world.
Speaker 6: So you know, I'm not surprised, because that's the question
Speaker 6: I asked for those that are just now joining us,
Speaker 6: like there's clearly some real fatigue here. But when I
Speaker 6: my first dynasty, the first time, I remember watching sports
Speaker 6: thinking Okay, this will probably be and I doubt this
Speaker 6: was going through my mind, this exact you know, thought process,
Speaker 6: but it was just clear to me, even as a youngster,
Speaker 6: that what I was watching with Jordan the Bulls was
Speaker 6: was legendary, something that I'll probably remember forever and everybody
Speaker 6: will who was able to experience it. But I just
Speaker 6: don't remember there ever being any level of like hatred
Speaker 6: and being tired of seeing them continue to win. But
Speaker 6: one I was young. But also even if that was
Speaker 6: the case, you wouldn't be able to check the pulse
Speaker 6: of society like you can now when it comes to
Speaker 6: you know, the internet. So yeah, one thing we did
Speaker 6: not talk about when it comes to yesterday's championship games,
Speaker 6: as we now have the Bills in the Eagles set
Speaker 6: to face off in the Super Bowl, was the flag
Speaker 6: that wasn't actually thrown. And I don't mean like a
Speaker 6: penalty that wasn't called. But I'm surprised this hasn't happened
Speaker 6: more often in football, and maybe it hasn't, I just
Speaker 6: don't remember. But with the Chiefs up thirty two to
Speaker 6: twenty nine, two minutes left in regulation, the Bills had
Speaker 6: a fourth and five from their forty seven yard line,
Speaker 6: and right after the play ended, clearly it looked as
Speaker 6: if it was an unsuccessful thing for Buffalo, which it was.
Speaker 6: But here's what Jim Nance had to say on CVS.
Speaker 6: Quote the whole season on the line for Buffalo. Here
Speaker 6: here they come. He just desperately throws it up in
Speaker 6: the air incomplete. Kincaid was right there, there is a flag.
Speaker 6: There was nine seconds of silence between Nance and Romo
Speaker 6: before Romo said, quote, I didn't see a flag thrown there,
Speaker 6: and then Nance responds quickly, I'm told there was a flag.
Speaker 6: Romo then started to analyze the play, with Nance saying
Speaker 6: in the background, no flag. So before we dive in here.
Speaker 6: When I saw that and knew that there wasn't a
Speaker 6: flag thrown and that Romo was kind of correcting Nance,
Speaker 6: I instantly thought somebody had to tell him that, like
Speaker 6: that has to be how this works, because again, I'd
Speaker 6: never really thought about it because I don't really care. Right,
Speaker 6: if I'm watching a game that I care about and
Speaker 6: there's a flag, I want to know what the hell
Speaker 6: the flag's for, Right, I'm not thinking about who's relaying
Speaker 6: the information to the broadcasters. But because of how quickly
Speaker 6: they typically will tell you, there's no scenario, especially where
Speaker 6: they sit like they're viewing that on a TV just
Speaker 6: like you are, by the way, like they're not. Maybe
Speaker 6: they've got the ability to see. In fact, I'm sure
Speaker 6: they do have the ability to see different views, different
Speaker 6: angles and whatnot in certain instances, but when they're watching
Speaker 6: it live, they're not watching it like with binoculars. I
Speaker 6: mean they are, but they have a monitor in front
Speaker 6: of them, and even if they have great vision, like
Speaker 6: they're going to see a better view of what's going
Speaker 6: on by watching these you know, probably eight K camera
Speaker 6: feeds that are right there on monitors in their broadcast booth.
Speaker 6: So I just initially thought, well, somebody, hopefully they don't
Speaker 6: lose their job, but you know, if they do, I'm
Speaker 6: sure that's one area where you know, because everybody kept
Speaker 6: saying that was a terrible look, like CBS can't have
Speaker 6: that happen, And I guess I get it because at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, this is entertainment and they,
Speaker 6: I guess, teased fans that wanted the flag, Like again,
Speaker 6: I don't. I mean, it's just a mistake. I don't
Speaker 6: think it changed the overall production of the broadcast. But
Speaker 6: it's not something I can remember ever happening. And I
Speaker 6: can see why if you're CBS, and especially if you're
Speaker 6: Jim Nance, you're thinking to yourself, how do we mess
Speaker 6: that up? Because for nine seconds when it was silent,
Speaker 6: and if you're a I feel like it's everybody right,
Speaker 6: if you're a Buffalo fan or you just hate the Chiefs,
Speaker 6: you're sitting here thinking, all right, what was it? What
Speaker 6: was it? What are we gonna get here? Is it
Speaker 6: gonna be fourth and fourth and five or something because
Speaker 6: of them? Because of you know, of offsides or did
Speaker 6: they get roughing the pass or something like that. And
Speaker 6: as soon as Romo said I didn't see a flag,
Speaker 6: and then Nance said I'm told there was a flag,
Speaker 6: I realized there was clearly some miscommunication going on. So
Speaker 6: this is according to Sports Illustrated Jimmy Tranya, who covers
Speaker 6: sports media for Si. He talked to Nance earlier this morning,
Speaker 6: and this is what Nance told him. When you have
Speaker 6: flags on the field, they can be thrown in the
Speaker 6: secondary and the offensive backfield, all over the place. So
Speaker 6: there's a spot or that works in coordination with the
Speaker 6: broadcast team. I'm just taking what information has passed along.
Speaker 6: I'm scanning the field, and for the life of me,
Speaker 6: I can't find a flag. But the graphic is up
Speaker 6: and I'm told which, just which, just part of the
Speaker 6: chain of communication, I'm told there's a flag. The first
Speaker 6: thing you do when you're told is you scan the
Speaker 6: field and identify for your own, for your own, you know,
Speaker 6: for your own way of looking at it. Then he
Speaker 6: goes on to say, you know, I think I not
Speaker 6: to get deep into the weeds here, because it sounds
Speaker 6: like he used like an entire conversation rather than just
Speaker 6: a quote from from from you know, the question but
Speaker 6: Harlan or not Harlan, But but Nance was looking for
Speaker 6: the flag because essentially the guy they never they never
Speaker 6: get that wrong, but they did that time. And of course,
Speaker 6: you know, again, I didn't feel like anybody needed I mean,
Speaker 6: it was a mistake, and mistakes happened, and when you've
Speaker 6: got millions and millions of people watching to see if
Speaker 6: the Bills can stay in this drive, stay alive and
Speaker 6: maybe knock off the Chiefs. You know, it's a tease
Speaker 6: and it's a it's it's a goof you don't want
Speaker 6: to make. But I I don't know, I guess because
Speaker 6: it's not something I can remember happening before.
Speaker 3: Maybe I just didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 6: As far as like the backlash, but clearly there were
Speaker 6: a lot of people upset that that's that's the way
Speaker 6: it played out. But also the radio call, Kevin Harlan
Speaker 6: and Devin mccordy were doing the Brock doing the game
Speaker 6: for radio for Westwood One. They apparently have the same
Speaker 6: spotter and and they Harlan also said flag, So like
Speaker 6: somebody just thought there was a flag, or maybe it
Speaker 6: was wishful thinking. I don't know, but uh, yeah, that
Speaker 6: was the mistake. And again, more than anything, for me,
Speaker 6: it was just a surprise that we haven't seen that before,
Speaker 6: because look, I think some guys were like yellow cleats
Speaker 6: or yellow socks, and I think that's a flag, right.
Speaker 6: So I didn't get my hopes up because even if
Speaker 6: they would have gotten a flag. They're like, let's just
Speaker 6: say they did call like roughing the passer and the
Speaker 6: bill get a new set of downs. I needed to
Speaker 6: see somebody kill the Chiefs to think they're dead, right,
Speaker 6: Like that's the way that was going. Like, even if
Speaker 6: they would have scored, I would have thought, well, you know,
Speaker 6: I've seen this movie before. I know what's going to
Speaker 6: happen with Kansas City. And as much as I hate it,
Speaker 6: you know, hard to you know, hard to fake it,
Speaker 6: they're great and they usually win in clutch time and
Speaker 6: something I think you might have alluded to this briefly
Speaker 6: when were talking about earlier, Austin, But.
Speaker 3: Like they make it look easy.
Speaker 6: They make it look like they like we would die
Speaker 6: for our teams to be in this position, right, we
Speaker 6: would die.
Speaker 3: And they are out there like they're not even caring
Speaker 3: and it's just.
Speaker 2: You know, throwing in on and seven just out.
Speaker 6: They're having fun with the boys, you know, and like
Speaker 6: it's crazy. But I'm a hater, all right, quick break
Speaker 6: will come back on the other side, keep it rolling along.
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Speaker 6: You know another thing I haven't found myself looking for
Speaker 6: in a long time, and I wasn't looking for it
Speaker 6: today is happening to see it the annual McDonald's All
Speaker 6: American rosters, and Louisville has a McDonald's All American for
Speaker 6: the first time in a long time, as mckel brown
Speaker 6: Junior was named to this year's McDonald's All American Team.
Speaker 6: Kentucky has one player and one native in the game
Speaker 6: this year, Malaca Moreno, who's at Great Crossing High School
Speaker 6: in Scott County. He's committed to Kentucky and he also
Speaker 6: made it, and I guess, yeah, it looks it says
Speaker 6: here that he is the sixteenth McDonald's All American from Kentucky,
Speaker 6: not meaning, you know, to go to Kentucky, but you know,
Speaker 6: plays his high school basketball here in the state to
Speaker 6: make the game.
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't be shocked.
Speaker 6: Cal had a ton of McDonald's Americans, but I'm not
Speaker 6: sure he ever had one from Kentucky, mostly because there
Speaker 6: weren't many. There haven't been many that have come out
Speaker 6: of the state. But yeah, mckel brown Junior is the
Speaker 6: first McDonald's all Americans. Since anybody know Austin, you have
Speaker 6: any clue?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me guess. Let me take a guess. It's
Speaker 2: it's Can I take two guesses?
Speaker 3: Who guesses? You got Sam Williamson that's it?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: And twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's gonna be him or VJ.
Speaker 3: King.
Speaker 6: Yep, those were both the last two in fact, And
Speaker 6: you know Sam, it never, I mean it just never.
Speaker 6: It never worked out. Clearly he was not and I
Speaker 6: don't want to not. I mean when you are nominated
Speaker 6: and you get a chance to be on because there's
Speaker 6: a lot of nominees, and then of course when they
Speaker 6: decide the roster, I mean, you carry expectation and expectation
Speaker 6: about you as a player that he's hard to live
Speaker 6: up to. And Sam's one of those guys that I
Speaker 6: got to be honest, it wasn't as if you know
Speaker 6: he Just give me an example. This is somebody we
Speaker 6: talked about a couple of weeks ago, Wayne Blackshear, wasn't
Speaker 6: McDonald's all American wayan black cheer. I mean, although he
Speaker 6: didn't get drafted into the NBA, he had a really
Speaker 6: good college career, played for some really good teams and
Speaker 6: was in a thousand point score at a program like Louisville,
Speaker 6: So some would still say that, you know, maybe he
Speaker 6: didn't live up to the hype that comes with it
Speaker 6: because he didn't become like a lottery pick. But you know,
Speaker 6: Sam's one of those guys that I mean, he went
Speaker 6: on to SMU and finished his career and I'm not
Speaker 6: even sure he was like a full time starter. So
Speaker 6: you know, he'll be in the group of players they
Speaker 6: bring up and think, wow, I forgot about that guy
Speaker 6: or who was that guy?
Speaker 3: So you know, I just I remember being.
Speaker 6: So annoyed by the way in which fans would would,
Speaker 6: I guess, treat this. And what I mean by that
Speaker 6: is the rivalry around here when Cal showed up, and
Speaker 6: really he did it the whole time he was here.
Speaker 6: I mean, he recruited at an insane high level. No
Speaker 6: matter how it ends for him at Arkansas, good or bad.
Speaker 6: I mean, even if he falls apart now, and you know,
Speaker 6: really falls apart, I think you can always claim that
Speaker 6: he had the best run we'll ever see when it
Speaker 6: comes to college basketball recruiting, just because again you've never
Speaker 6: seen him before. I don't think you'll ever see it again.
Speaker 6: So because of that, you know, Louisville recruited really well
Speaker 6: under Patino, they just didn't recruit as good as their rival,
Speaker 6: which nobody did. Would get players that were good, but
Speaker 6: because they weren't Burger boys, it's almost as if like
Speaker 6: we felt like we got a group of duds, and
Speaker 6: you know that was never the case. Like the Donovan,
Speaker 6: Mitchell Dingadell Ray Spaulding, Quentin Snyder, those are all like
Speaker 6: top fifty nationally, top forty thirty depending on where you look,
Speaker 6: depending on which player you're talking about. They just they
Speaker 6: fell short because there's there's you know, there's only so
Speaker 6: many slots that that you know, you have to fill
Speaker 6: the McDonald's all American rosters. So Kentucky not having Jasper
Speaker 6: Johnson appears to be a big issue with Kentucky fans.
Speaker 6: And I don't know why he wasn't listed, because you know,
Speaker 6: he's I mean, I would have guessed that he would
Speaker 6: be McDonald's American just considering where he's ranked in the
Speaker 6: ESPN rankings. Sees he's in the top top twenty. I
Speaker 6: think he's at like seventeen. I think he's a five
Speaker 6: star recruit just about everywhere, So I don't know why,
Speaker 6: but I did say, like it's one of those things
Speaker 6: that just appeared on my on my algorithm here on
Speaker 6: Twitter slash x, because it's something everybody's talking about. How
Speaker 6: could how could Jasper Johnson now be a McDonald's All American. Well,
Speaker 6: I thought it was because he played for over Tommy Leit. However,
Speaker 6: they changed that rule meaning if you play for over
Speaker 6: Time Elite, it used to disqualify you from being eligible
Speaker 6: for the McDonald's All American Game. Rob Dillingham not being
Speaker 6: a McDonald's All American, if you remember, that was a
Speaker 6: big deal because he was, you know, an elite player
Speaker 6: but didn't get the nod.
Speaker 3: And after that they did the two sides.
Speaker 6: The McDonald's All American Game people and of course the
Speaker 6: ote over Time Elite. They they somehow figured something out
Speaker 6: to where you could in fact be a McDonald's American
Speaker 6: if you played for over Tommy e Leit. So the
Speaker 6: only reason I could think as to why Jasper Johnson
Speaker 6: didn't get it, other than maybe they just you know,
Speaker 6: decided he wasn't quite good enough or they you know,
Speaker 6: just didn't have a spot for him, would be that
Speaker 6: maybe he's.
Speaker 3: Because is he a fifth year guy?
Speaker 6: Like you used to be able to and you still can,
Speaker 6: by the way, Like you can graduate high school and
Speaker 6: then go to prep school for a year like oh Hill,
Speaker 6: like Okill Academy, and the other schools like that, Huntington Press,
Speaker 6: the prep schools Montverd they've produced. I mean, those are
Speaker 6: high school super teams essentially every year. And now you
Speaker 6: got guys that go there from like their jute for
Speaker 6: their junior and senior year. But those those prep schools
Speaker 6: used to really exist for a year for a year
Speaker 6: of postgrad, meaning you just needed another year to like
Speaker 6: if you were a really good player, but you know,
Speaker 6: you just didn't quite reach your potential, or you had
Speaker 6: some academic stuff that wasn't Like if you had minor
Speaker 6: academic stuff, you'd go to prep school. If you had
Speaker 6: legitimate academic stuff that was going to keep you from qualifying,
Speaker 6: you go to junior college. So now they don't really exist,
Speaker 6: meeting these schools four guys that are fifth year. But
Speaker 6: I wonder if that's still a rule that for example,
Speaker 6: who was there was probably not a bigger recruit in
Speaker 6: the country at the time John Wall came out, Well,
Speaker 6: John Wall was a fifth year guy that went postgrad,
Speaker 6: meaning he was a year removed from high school when
Speaker 6: he played his final season before going to Kentucky. So
Speaker 6: clearly he was like the number one or number two
Speaker 6: player in the country, but he didn't qualify. Same thing
Speaker 6: with Terry O's ear. If you remember, Rosier committed to
Speaker 6: Kentucky out of Shaker Heights up there near Cleveland and
Speaker 6: had a you know, phenomenal senior season. In fact, when
Speaker 6: he committed to Louisville, he wasn't really that highly regarded,
Speaker 6: but he ended up having a really strong senior season,
Speaker 6: jumped up the rankings. Well, then he had to go prep.
Speaker 6: He went to Hargrave and played for a year, and
Speaker 6: at Hargrave, I mean that's where he became kind of
Speaker 6: a bit in fact at the time, and this is
Speaker 6: such a nerdy recruiting thing that I remember Terry ended
Speaker 6: up there was one I think it was when Evan
Speaker 6: Daniels worked for Scout, which Scout ended up getting I
Speaker 6: guess absorbed by twenty four to seven Sports. But Scout
Speaker 6: they had they would include players that were fifth years
Speaker 6: and fifth year guys in their rankings. So Terry, you know,
Speaker 6: he was a postgrad guy, and he didn't end up
Speaker 6: being ranked in a lot of other rankings out there
Speaker 6: from the competitors like ESPN, I Guess Rivals, but in
Speaker 6: Scout he was like the number fourteen player in that class,
Speaker 6: and that at the time would have been And sure
Speaker 6: enough it worked out because Terros there're still playing in
Speaker 6: the NBA today. But yeah, McDonald's All American rosters have
Speaker 6: been set, and I'm not into recruiting like I used
Speaker 6: to be for a variety of reasons, but mostly because
Speaker 6: it's just not as important. You still want to bring
Speaker 6: in really good players that are young. You still are
Speaker 6: gonna understandably celebrate when your team has McDonald's All Americans.
Speaker 6: But you know, for Louisville, it's been a while since
Speaker 6: I've even thought to check the rosters, because you know,
Speaker 6: it wasn't like I was expecting to see any of
Speaker 6: Louisville's commits be featured in this event, but sure enough,
Speaker 6: we've got one now for the first time since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6: In fact, I'm trying to think of all the McDonald's
Speaker 6: All Americans that have come to Louisville in my lifetime,
Speaker 6: because I know Shane and Wayne were both McDonald's All Americans.
Speaker 3: You mentioned VJ. King, he was one.
Speaker 6: Sam Peyton was one. Yeah, Peyton Siva was in McDonald's
Speaker 6: All American.
Speaker 2: That's right. He had a great dunk contest. Yeah he
Speaker 2: didn't win it, did he No.
Speaker 6: In fact, he went I'm not sure if they called
Speaker 6: that at the time, but he went viral because he
Speaker 6: actually was doing that. I think his McDonald's An American
Speaker 6: game was played in Miami, I believe, and he was
Speaker 6: doing some stuff at the practice. Peyton was that like,
Speaker 6: I mean like three sixty between the legs dunks with Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean like it was. It was really impressive stuff.
Speaker 6: So the legend, yes, that's right. Who mixtape dot com?
Speaker 3: I remember that? You know that was Scotch Yep, that
Speaker 3: was that was Uh.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say it wasn't early Internet, but man,
Speaker 6: that that you know, it's crazy how you mentioning ball
Speaker 6: of is life Like? To me, that seems like it
Speaker 6: was a few years ago. Like, dude, that was like
Speaker 6: fifteen years ago. Those you know, that was that was
Speaker 6: how you first got Now everybody's got highlight mixes for everybody,
Speaker 6: but at that in that stage of the Internet, if
Speaker 6: you had like if you you didn't have a Ball
Speaker 6: as Life mixtape unless you were a really good player,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And now it's you know, it's much easier.
Speaker 5: I always followed that just because, like that was in
Speaker 5: the days where cow was ranking in all those players,
Speaker 5: and I would just see sort of the players that
Speaker 5: Louisville was kind of looking at and would watch them,
Speaker 5: and I just thought that that was a measuring stick
Speaker 5: of Oh, these guys are good to have their own
Speaker 5: Ball as Life. You know who I really really really
Speaker 5: wanted and was just like so sad that they never
Speaker 5: got because I know it was pretty close when it
Speaker 5: came down to it. But you remember that guy that
Speaker 5: went to Baylor, Quincy Miller. Oh yeah, Deuce Below, Like
Speaker 5: those two I remember they were pretty head on close
Speaker 5: with Baylor Louisville. Oh and then they ended up going
Speaker 5: to the Baylor.
Speaker 2: But I two of my.
Speaker 3: Favorite high school players asked for money. Is that what happened?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
Speaker 6: Rick Patino tells Scott Drew hooked him up. Rick Patino
Speaker 6: tells a story who and that's who he's referring to.
Speaker 6: He's never said a name, but Below was in It
Speaker 6: was twenty eleven, which gosh, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 6: Fourteen years he was, I mean, he was one of
Speaker 6: the top ten top five players in the country. Him
Speaker 6: and Deuce were I feel like, I don't think they
Speaker 6: were brothers, but they were like best friends. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: they like lived together, grew up together, and they were
Speaker 6: kind of a package.
Speaker 3: He was, I mean he was.
Speaker 6: He wasn't as highly regarded, but he was still like
Speaker 6: a top fifty player overall and crazy. They visited Louisville
Speaker 6: and I'm pretty sure, I mean, it came down to,
Speaker 6: all right, let's talk money, and Rick was like, no, uh,
Speaker 6: I mean go. And that's one of those things about
Speaker 6: Rick that that it's gonna sound like I'm making an
Speaker 6: excuse for him, because you know, clearly he even if
Speaker 6: even if I believe that he did nothing wrong, the
Speaker 6: NAA did what they did and and and clearly Louisville
Speaker 6: had some issues when he was the coach. But if
Speaker 6: you really give it some thought, you don't even have
Speaker 6: to be a diehard Louisville fan or a dier Kentucky
Speaker 6: fan to understand this. Rick's ego would never let him
Speaker 6: directly be involved or even have awareness that somebody's getting
Speaker 6: to pay, somebody's getting paid to play for him, because
Speaker 6: Rick is of the mindset that you should pay to
Speaker 6: play for him. Like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 6: he's such I mean, his ego would never let it
Speaker 6: like and that's a whole again get into the weeds here,
Speaker 6: but like the Katina pal thing, clearly there was at
Speaker 6: least announce of truth to that. That's disgusting and Louisville's
Speaker 6: been punished for that.
Speaker 3: We all know that.
Speaker 6: But like for those that think Rick would like want
Speaker 6: that going on like this isn't even to defend him,
Speaker 6: it's just to point out something that I think is
Speaker 6: very common. His ego would never ever let that happen.
Speaker 6: I mean, and that's what still seems crazy, is that
Speaker 6: all that could go on and he didn't know. But
Speaker 6: I think it makes sense that you do everything you
Speaker 6: can to keep it from him because he would quite
Speaker 6: literally kill you if you were somebody involved in what
Speaker 6: went on. And you know, Andrew McGee, I'm sure he's
Speaker 6: still alive, but maybe he stayed hiding because he's scared
Speaker 6: of Rick.
Speaker 2: I don't know sure.
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