Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy
Speaker 2: of the cult is one of the things that turned
Speaker 2: me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,
Speaker 2: it turned and looked at us.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 3: the eyes were going red.
Speaker 2: I see an orb of light. It is just circling
Speaker 2: these steps.
Speaker 3: Like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 2: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 1: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 2: The top of the muzzle nose and the eyes. As
Speaker 2: soon as I made eye contact with this thing. It
Speaker 2: don't like death.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Tinfoil tells. I'm your host Brandon. Tonight,
Speaker 3: we're going to be joined by my guest Rod Rod.
Speaker 2: How you doing doing great? Man? How are you doing?
Speaker 3: Not too bad? We were chit chatting beforehand, talking about
Speaker 3: our weird connection with metal music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's great. I love it. I love
Speaker 2: I love the fact that you know we have that
Speaker 2: connection and we can talk about metal and all that
Speaker 2: cool stuff.
Speaker 3: I definitely enjoy talking to fellow musicians. I had another
Speaker 3: podcast that I was doing for a while with my
Speaker 3: friend Ed. People on here might recognize him. He's been
Speaker 3: on a few episodes too. But it was called Dark
Speaker 3: Side of the Scene, and we interviewed musicians and instead
Speaker 3: of talking about like a lot of stuff, we'd talk
Speaker 3: about the struggles of being in a band, being a musician,
Speaker 3: and all the horror stories of getting your gears stolen
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, Like, yeah, stuff that you don't
Speaker 3: ever hear about. So we tried to do that show,
Speaker 3: and we did it for about a year and it
Speaker 3: just didn't pan out the way we wanted it to.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you know that sounds interesting though, And I
Speaker 2: can relate to that because you know, I've I've heard
Speaker 2: of you know. I I toured through Canada and one
Speaker 2: of the last dates was Quebec, Montreal, Quebec, and you know,
Speaker 2: we pulled up our van and trailer up, you know,
Speaker 2: alongside the venue on the main street, and the promoter
Speaker 2: came out and said, hey, man, like, park your park
Speaker 2: your van and trailer in the back. It's less conspicuous.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why is this guy so adamant about this?
Speaker 2: And he was like, Hey, He's like, just want to
Speaker 2: let you know, like whole tour buses and and trailers
Speaker 2: have been have been stolen right here because the Russian
Speaker 2: mafia controls a lot of this area and it'll be
Speaker 2: gone and there's no way to get it back. And
Speaker 2: that blew my mind. The whole tour bus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know a whole lot of Tory, but
Speaker 3: I didn't have to worry about that either, So I
Speaker 3: guess I lucked out.
Speaker 2: No, No, you lucked out because it's a headache.
Speaker 3: Well, before we get into it, would you like to
Speaker 3: let the audience know a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So my name is Rod Nichols, and I'm from
Speaker 2: Bear County, Bigfoot. I'm based out of San Antonio, Texas,
Speaker 2: where you know, the county is Bear County if you
Speaker 2: you know, kind of put two and two together. I've
Speaker 2: been doing it for about seven years, and you know,
Speaker 2: started out, I think, like a lot of other you know,
Speaker 2: investigators of crypto zoologists, I've started out as a you know,
Speaker 2: as as a fan from a from a young person,
Speaker 2: you know, just watching Leonard de Moys in search of
Speaker 2: and you know, any of the high strangeness unsolved mysteries,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, any any of the shows that
Speaker 2: were out there at that time. I'm an eighties kid,
Speaker 2: so you know, I grew up with all that stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, it was one of those things where
Speaker 2: when I was presented with the idea that there could
Speaker 2: be a you know, a biped that's upwards in eight
Speaker 2: to nine feet tall and covered in hair out there,
Speaker 2: I quickly, I mean, it just it just sucked me in.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was that kid at the at
Speaker 2: the book fair that was, you know, buying the Bigfoot
Speaker 2: and Lockness Monster books and just you know, just really
Speaker 2: and I tell people this because I can remember plainly
Speaker 2: just seeing this stuff, you know, on TV. And you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the Patterson Giblan film is just that the cornerstone
Speaker 2: kind of of of our evidence, you know, or alleged
Speaker 2: evidence whoever you talk to, you know. So for me,
Speaker 2: I've always felt like I was a believer from from
Speaker 2: day one, from when I just discovered cryptids, you know,
Speaker 2: and so it just it just spiraled into me getting
Speaker 2: into actually I was really into primates. I was into
Speaker 2: the Mountain Gorillas and and Diane Fosse and her work
Speaker 2: as well, and I was such a nerd about you know,
Speaker 2: the gorillas and especially the the mountain gorillas up in Africa,
Speaker 2: and you know, so it kind of morphed into that.
Speaker 2: And then you know, as I got older, you know,
Speaker 2: your life, life happens. You know, you get married, you
Speaker 2: have kids, and you know, you kind of live your life.
Speaker 2: And you know, I soon found myself on disability and
Speaker 2: from work, and you know, it was going through some
Speaker 2: stuff and it was just a really tough time in
Speaker 2: my life. And I remember beinge watching this this this
Speaker 2: channel on YouTube, and it was a guy at a
Speaker 2: Utah and he presented this trace evidence that was in
Speaker 2: the form of wood structures, and I had no recollection
Speaker 2: of what wood structures were, and nor did I know
Speaker 2: these things to be attributed to, you know, quote alleged
Speaker 2: sasquatch activity or cryptodactivity for that matter, or any type
Speaker 2: of viable trace evidence for that matter. You know, so
Speaker 2: for me, you know, watching this guy's videos and you know,
Speaker 2: he had he had other stories of him of his
Speaker 2: encounters with some of these creatures as well, and they
Speaker 2: were very compelling. And I watched all of his videos
Speaker 2: and it was just like in one night and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm on long term disability. I've gotten nothing else going on.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of by myself, and so you know, I
Speaker 2: had all the time in the world. So I watched
Speaker 2: all these videos and then the next day I went
Speaker 2: out because the last video this gentleman put out was
Speaker 2: showing you how to go how he find his trace evidence,
Speaker 2: and I thought that was fascinating. So he gave you
Speaker 2: the tools, and I think the basis of it was, Hey, look,
Speaker 2: if you think that this is a hoax, you think
Speaker 2: that you know people are doing this, you think this
Speaker 2: is you know, boy scouts or homeless people or whatever.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to give you the tools to
Speaker 2: go find his trace evidence. And I followed that those
Speaker 2: exact things like but what he showed on the video
Speaker 2: of how to find this stuff, and so I thought, well,
Speaker 2: I've got nothing else going on. So the next day
Speaker 2: I grabbed my son and and I think it was
Speaker 2: like twelve at the time, and we went out to
Speaker 2: go find this alleged traced evidence. These wood structures. And
Speaker 2: on the same day we went out to go look
Speaker 2: for one. We found a wood structure. It was an
Speaker 2: a frame wood structure. It was very nice. It had
Speaker 2: some really good sized pieces that were that were pretty
Speaker 2: you know, big in diameter, and they're ripped out of
Speaker 2: the ground. They didn't grow there and were fashioned into
Speaker 2: an a frame type of structure that was probably about
Speaker 2: I would say, close to six feet tall. And at
Speaker 2: the bottom of this a frame structure there was you know,
Speaker 2: some some leaves and some foliage that was just completely flat.
Speaker 2: And I tell this, I tell the story a lot,
Speaker 2: but I really feel like looking at the bottom of
Speaker 2: that wood structure, it looked like something of some weight
Speaker 2: wood was sitting there or laying down or whatever. And
Speaker 2: so it blew my mind when we found this wood structure.
Speaker 2: I was following the you know what this gentleman had
Speaker 2: had laid out for this audience, you know his you know,
Speaker 2: he said, hey, go out check it out. This is
Speaker 2: what you look for, this is how you do it,
Speaker 2: this is how if I'm mind, you tell me if
Speaker 2: you think this is a hoax, you think that I'm
Speaker 2: putting you on. And when that happened, I was I
Speaker 2: was hooked. From that point on. I was in the
Speaker 2: woods every day, Like I mean, I think I had
Speaker 2: brought my mom out with me a couple of times
Speaker 2: just just and and she had no you know, she
Speaker 2: was blown away as well, you know, and so that
Speaker 2: and that spiraled into what would become Bear Counted Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And I started posting some videos on a Facebook group
Speaker 2: called Project Go and See. And you know, when I
Speaker 2: started doing that, I got some attention from a gentleman
Speaker 2: by the name of Christopher Noel who is in Vermont,
Speaker 2: and he kind of took me under his wing, and
Speaker 2: you know, he asked me about you know, you know,
Speaker 2: voice recorders, if I had deployed a voice record. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I like, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm
Speaker 2: just snapping pictures and video of these weird looking wood
Speaker 2: structures that I'm finding, you know, uh, with with with
Speaker 2: the tools that have been given me from this you
Speaker 2: know YouTube channel, and you know, so he kind of
Speaker 2: took me on his wing and and you know, taught
Speaker 2: me a little bit about his findings and when he
Speaker 2: looked for and just started bouncing ideas off each other.
Speaker 2: And then he put me on his podcast as well.
Speaker 2: That was that was my very first podcast interview ever.
Speaker 2: And you know, from there, you know, I've taken anybody
Speaker 2: from a a wildlife biologist out with me to you know,
Speaker 2: Aaron des who is in San Antonio from Small Town Monsters.
Speaker 2: He's written a few books for small Town Monsters to
Speaker 2: show him my trace evidence, uh to. Up until recently,
Speaker 2: I've got I've got a chemist that has come out
Speaker 2: with me. He's got a pH d in chemistry from
Speaker 2: Harvard University and chemistry engineering, a bachelor's who was very
Speaker 2: intrigued by what I present. And so you know, that's
Speaker 2: where it's been. Wood structures, I believe are are are
Speaker 2: just pretty much kind of my specialty and and you know,
Speaker 2: among other things that I have found as well, and
Speaker 2: I've heard, but yeah, that's where that's where I've been,
Speaker 2: and that's where it's been for the last seven years.
Speaker 3: Then it sounds like a big journey to go from
Speaker 3: just the starting off to being out in the woods
Speaker 3: and everything else you've been looking into. It's Yeah, it
Speaker 3: seems like and I don't want to sound like it's
Speaker 3: not like a negative or anything, but it's almost become
Speaker 3: like an addiction for people like what it really it
Speaker 3: really is like once they get into it. Coming from
Speaker 3: someone who's played music and been in bands or whatever,
Speaker 3: I totally understand it. Yeah, the show is my outlet.
Speaker 3: That's what banned stuff used to be for me. So
Speaker 3: going and doing a podcast made sense because it still
Speaker 3: cluts me have that creative outlet. But for someone that's
Speaker 3: not doing that, I can understand where this is a
Speaker 3: new hobby for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah it, you know, And that's a good point to make.
Speaker 2: It took the it almost down. Nothing will ever take
Speaker 2: place in music, you know. I grew up in a
Speaker 2: musician household. My dad was a musician, he was a
Speaker 2: former recording artist, you know. So music was always a
Speaker 2: staple in my life. But and I thought to myself,
Speaker 2: there's nothing that will ever take place in music. I'll
Speaker 2: be doing this for the rest of my life. And
Speaker 2: you know, life, life has a way of going. Maybe not,
Speaker 2: you know, and maybe this will be your new passion.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what happened. And I'm really thankful
Speaker 2: for it because and I tell people this too as well.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, regardless of what you think
Speaker 2: of these cryptids, I have my own opinions, I have
Speaker 2: my own theories and things. But I look back and
Speaker 2: I go it actually helped me get out outside, moving around,
Speaker 2: walking miles and miles and and and the exercise, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like all of these good things
Speaker 2: that happened from being outside and out in the woods
Speaker 2: really helped me out in my mental health as well.
Speaker 2: And that's what was really struggling with, was my mental health.
Speaker 2: And you know, this presented something to me that was
Speaker 2: very post and now you know, you go down the
Speaker 2: rabbit hole and you know, you're just lost in it now,
Speaker 2: you know. And that's that's kind of where I've been.
Speaker 3: So for being involved in this for the last seven years.
Speaker 3: What do you think this is? I don't expect a
Speaker 3: definitive answer, but like, what do you think is really
Speaker 3: out there? Like what is a bigfoot?
Speaker 2: To you? Man? That's a loaded question, brother. So I'll
Speaker 2: tell you this. I started out as an aper, I
Speaker 2: really did. I started out as it's from giganto Epithecus.
Speaker 2: It's a giant ape that's evolved and we just got
Speaker 2: caught up with it, and you know, and that's what
Speaker 2: I thought. That's what I thought. And it's not an
Speaker 2: insult to anybody that is an aper that believes this
Speaker 2: thing is just solely flesh and blood, right, and I
Speaker 2: mean solely flexblow that they just think that that's it
Speaker 2: is what it is like. It's a it's a it's
Speaker 2: a it's a biped that is uh a North American
Speaker 2: ape that we have not caught up with. Right. So,
Speaker 2: as I got into it more and more and started
Speaker 2: reading and listening to podcast interviews and and and looking
Speaker 2: at a class A uh sightings and and and class
Speaker 2: B and and just trying to put the pieces together,
Speaker 2: my my mindset was changed by the supernatural elements that
Speaker 2: were just injected into me by some of these first
Speaker 2: person accounts. I said, hey, you know, I saw the creature.
Speaker 2: This is what it looked like. Okay, pretty typical, you know,
Speaker 2: of of the characteristics, the behavior was consistent, and then
Speaker 2: this thing just disappeared right in front of my eyes.
Speaker 2: WHOA okay? Or hey, I saw this creature and this
Speaker 2: is what it looked like. Great, it looks it sounds
Speaker 2: like the typical, you know, type of siding you would hear,
Speaker 2: and it had an orb floating in front of it
Speaker 2: as if it was running. Or hey, I saw this
Speaker 2: thing and it was up in a tree and it
Speaker 2: cloaks like the predator. You know, you know, all of
Speaker 2: these weird supernatural eyewitness accounts. I could not just discard
Speaker 2: you know. And I couldn't sit there and go no.
Speaker 2: And we're talking about people that are professional people, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about people that, you know, some
Speaker 2: of them were our pastors, some of them are are
Speaker 2: are our businessmen or you know, police or you know,
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about some people that could probably
Speaker 2: lose their jobs they put their name out there. But
Speaker 2: here they are talking about this supernatural experience. And so
Speaker 2: now I had to sit there and go, you can't
Speaker 2: just sit there with the blinders on Rod and go nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's a flesh and blood creature and
Speaker 2: that's what it is. And you know in a story, well,
Speaker 2: I here's the here's the honest of God's truth. We
Speaker 2: we we all don't know, none of us know. There's
Speaker 2: nobody here I'm convinced that knows exactly what they are, right. So,
Speaker 2: but here we have these supernatural experiences and these eyewitness
Speaker 2: accounts from these people, and it's blowing my mind. So
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, the the the mantra that I
Speaker 2: live by with this stuff is if you're open to
Speaker 2: some of it, you have to be open to all
Speaker 2: of it. There's no way. I can sit there and
Speaker 2: try and make it fit my narrative. No way, because
Speaker 2: there are so many counters of it's saying otherwise. Right now,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say they're they're the majority, but
Speaker 2: we we can't discard these these of encounters, right. So Uh.
Speaker 2: I started out like that as like an apron then
Speaker 2: it morphed into what you would maybe call the WU
Speaker 2: right the WU crowd or whatever. I'm I'm right in
Speaker 2: the middle, is what I would say. I'm right in
Speaker 2: the middle. You know. I I do believe these things,
Speaker 2: do believe. I do believe that they're they're physical, uh
Speaker 2: when they're here. But I do believe there are some
Speaker 2: that have of these supernatural abilities that we just cannot comprehend.
Speaker 2: And then I started digging, digging deeper into some Old
Speaker 2: Testament stuff and then uh, and then correlating it with
Speaker 2: the Book of Enoch. Uh, you got the Book of
Speaker 2: Giants as well, that that kind of runs alongside. It's
Speaker 2: a literary I guess companion you can say, to the
Speaker 2: to the Bible, it was it was it was part
Speaker 2: of part of the Bible from what I understand, at
Speaker 2: some point in time, but was discarded for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Uh, that's whole another can of worms here.
Speaker 2: So now I've come to an understanding that it could
Speaker 2: possibly be, and I could be totally wrong, that these
Speaker 2: are remnants of the rough Eyeen, which are a bloodline
Speaker 2: of the Nephelim. And that's that's kind of where I've
Speaker 2: left it right now. Again, I could be totally wrong.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it seems to be kind of
Speaker 2: leading me in that direction. So that's where I'm at
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's just because of podcasting, but
Speaker 3: for me, Bigfoot was always just a hairy man out
Speaker 3: in the woods, right it was. But since I've started
Speaker 3: doing this show and I started listening to other shows
Speaker 3: about five years ago, I never listened to a single
Speaker 3: podcast in my life until twenty nineteen. I listened to
Speaker 3: an episode of Joe Rogan because he had Bob Lasar on.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I saw that documentary with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the first time I'd ever listened to
Speaker 3: a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was always a band guy. I always listened to
Speaker 3: metal music and stuff. I never had time for podcasts.
Speaker 3: I always was some music, and then during Lockdown season
Speaker 3: I had nothing to really do. I had to go
Speaker 3: to work, and then we weren't doing band things, so
Speaker 3: I started to check out podcasts because I'd talked to
Speaker 3: my buddy about all the weird stuff that was going
Speaker 3: on in the world. And that's where I come up
Speaker 3: with the name for the show and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3: But I sat on it for two years. But I
Speaker 3: was listening to a couple of different shows, and that's
Speaker 3: when I started hearing people talk about like I started
Speaker 3: listening to some Bigfoot stuff, and then I listened to
Speaker 3: a couple other shows. But then the whole netflim thing
Speaker 3: started coming out, and then portals got real popular, and
Speaker 3: then all sort like stuff that I'd never had heard
Speaker 3: anyone actually talking about relating to before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I don't know where all the research came from. I
Speaker 3: don't know where their ideas came from. I don't know anything.
Speaker 3: But that's when the whole woo thing, like for me
Speaker 3: was like opening up. I still didn't believe it right,
Speaker 3: just because it doesn't make sense and whatever. But the
Speaker 3: more and more I've done this show, I lean more
Speaker 3: towards that I don't want to say WU.
Speaker 2: But like, right, that's supernatural element.
Speaker 3: There's something weird in general, right, And I don't know
Speaker 3: just because and I'm very skeptical in general. So since
Speaker 3: there's never there's never been a body, there's never been
Speaker 3: anything definitively proven. We've seen videos, we've seen pictures of footprints,
Speaker 3: we've seen this in that, but for me, personally, I've
Speaker 3: never seen one in person. So I can't say that
Speaker 3: bigfits of one hundred percent real because I personally never
Speaker 3: saw a bigfoot. But that doesn't mean I don't believe
Speaker 3: there's something.
Speaker 2: Out there right right right right, But.
Speaker 3: What it is I can't tell you. I don't. Like
Speaker 3: you said, I don't think anyone can definitively say what
Speaker 3: it is because I don't think there's ever been anyone
Speaker 3: that's actually know what it is or m it's really
Speaker 3: like being able to study it.
Speaker 2: Right, It's not like you've got one in your garage
Speaker 2: and sit there and ask it questions or study the body, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have that.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I have friends that are straight up blood and
Speaker 3: error in it as a undiscovered primate of some sort
Speaker 3: or domind right, and the whole WU aspect or whatever
Speaker 3: is just all made up bullshit. But and I can
Speaker 3: see that pathway to it. But then I also go
Speaker 3: back to Okay, well then why we've never found any right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Why have there never been any bones uncovered?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 3: I work in construction where we build new highways, and
Speaker 3: I've been on jobs where we've dug up forest like
Speaker 3: wooded areas because they're building a new four lanes of highway,
Speaker 3: so we're digging up stuff in the woods, and I've
Speaker 3: never just because I've done in a small area doesn't
Speaker 3: mean anything. But like I see it in that aspect,
Speaker 3: like why hasn't anything ever been uncovered? Like look at
Speaker 3: how we've went from nothing to having roads and housing
Speaker 3: additions and all this new stuff that's happening all the time,
Speaker 3: Like you see all these subdivisions being built. They're always digging.
Speaker 3: How can we've never come across any sort of skeletons?
Speaker 2: Right, right? Or nobody's just saying anything.
Speaker 3: If something is that big of a secret and there's
Speaker 3: that many people that have uncovered, what is keeping everyone
Speaker 3: so quiet and why?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. I can tell you this.
Speaker 2: This is kind of a side note. I you know,
Speaker 2: when I started the Instagram account, you know, I think
Speaker 2: I was maybe a couple of years in with the
Speaker 2: bar kind of bigfoot Instagram account, I had a message
Speaker 2: from somebody that didn't have a profile picture. There was
Speaker 2: not really a name to the profile. It was like
Speaker 2: a bunch of numbers, like it was just a user
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and this guy he
Speaker 2: said he was a man, and then he didn't give
Speaker 2: his name, but you know, because I was like, who
Speaker 2: am I talking to, ma'am? So I know how I
Speaker 2: know how to address you, you know, sir, ma'am or whatever.
Speaker 2: I said he was a male. And this guy said
Speaker 2: that he was a part of the clearing up a
Speaker 2: piece of land that was to be the University of
Speaker 2: Texas and San Antonio UTSA. And that patch of land
Speaker 2: runs close to a very prominent creek green belt that
Speaker 2: runs in and out of the city. And so you've
Speaker 2: got a pathway right, and you've got a habitat that
Speaker 2: supports big game in the form of white tail deer.
Speaker 2: So one thing you have to know about San Antonio
Speaker 2: is we don't have bears. We don't have any of
Speaker 2: the normal predatory animals you would probably see maybe in
Speaker 2: Colorado or Oregon or Washington State. Or any of those things. Right,
Speaker 2: we'll have black bears and stuff we've got. Maybe you'll
Speaker 2: hear about a mountain lion every once in a while,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe, but it's mainly whitetail deer. That's the kind
Speaker 2: of the big game. So this guy was telling me
Speaker 2: that he was a part of the I guess architecture
Speaker 2: or engineering team that was putting together the campus to
Speaker 2: be University Texas, San Antonio, and he found that there
Speaker 2: were numerous people that were working the big machinery, you know,
Speaker 2: the front and loaders and and things of that nature,
Speaker 2: that were clearing out the land, that were getting that
Speaker 2: were up and quitting the same day and leaving. And
Speaker 2: come to find out, there was a story, you know,
Speaker 2: amongst these guys, and it was like, hey, we're clear
Speaker 2: out this land. There's something in the woods that is
Speaker 2: screaming and growling at us and throwing things at us,
Speaker 2: and it scared the heck out of these guys. A
Speaker 2: lot of these guys would quit the same day. So
Speaker 2: they were rotating people left and right, trying to get,
Speaker 2: you know, somebody to stay clear out this land, and
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys were just up and quit,
Speaker 2: up and quit up and quit, and he he reached
Speaker 2: out to me to tell me, you know, hey, look,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm you know, I don't I'm not gonna tell
Speaker 2: my name or anything like that, but you know, I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell you that this is what happened, This
Speaker 2: is what I saw, and and that that was insane
Speaker 2: to me because you know, you're talking about when you
Speaker 2: think about an area like San Antonio, any city, you know,
Speaker 2: and maybe you've got some wooded areas, I got you,
Speaker 2: you know, and and and they're clear out land. You
Speaker 2: don't think about, you know, running into something like this.
Speaker 2: And I think that was just one of the things
Speaker 2: that really changed my mind about a lot of the
Speaker 2: I guess the idea that these things aren't just found
Speaker 2: in remote areas. You know, they travel, they can travel
Speaker 2: into suburban areas through these creeks, rivers, green belts and
Speaker 2: have to have passage in and out of the area,
Speaker 2: but it can happen. And so, you know, so like
Speaker 2: as far as me thinking that, well, I have to
Speaker 2: go out and I have to have all this equipment,
Speaker 2: and I have to find these remote areas and have
Speaker 2: to go out and just you know, go out and
Speaker 2: check out these remote areas. It just wasn't the case.
Speaker 2: Because right now, I in my backyard, I live up
Speaker 2: against one of the major creeks that I research, I
Speaker 2: can I can walk a couple of miles and bam,
Speaker 2: there it is. There's this spot where I did I've
Speaker 2: done this a cast name of a footprint, or where
Speaker 2: I found this wood structure or I found this you
Speaker 2: know type of thing. And so that really just kind
Speaker 2: of changed the narrative for me, because again, I think
Speaker 2: when you think about this stuff, you're like, well, you
Speaker 2: have to go out, you have to you know, go
Speaker 2: out in this remote area. Which I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: they do not travel or maybe reside in some of
Speaker 2: these remote areas, but it seems to me that they're
Speaker 2: not above getting an easy meal, they're not above dumpster diving,
Speaker 2: they're not above any of those things. As long as
Speaker 2: there is a creek, green belt, or a river that
Speaker 2: runs through the area that has some some coverage. Uh,
Speaker 2: and you in the habitat supports big game, and you've
Speaker 2: got a water source maybe at least three to five
Speaker 2: miles away, you've got a recipe for for some cryptodactivity.
Speaker 2: So you know, but going back to the gentleman I
Speaker 2: was talking to you know, that really opened my eyes
Speaker 2: a lot to that the the type of activity that
Speaker 2: was happening, at least to according to him, in my city.
Speaker 2: And that just that just it changed a lot for me. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I I think that again, I think we're
Speaker 2: dealing with something that is flesh and blood when it
Speaker 2: is here. But I think that these these creatures do
Speaker 2: possess some type of supernatural element to them that we
Speaker 2: just can't put our finger on. Because I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you this, if it was just if it was
Speaker 2: just a primate, if it was an undiscovered primate in
Speaker 2: North America, we would have had one. We would have
Speaker 2: had When you think about the panda that was encrypted
Speaker 2: at one point in time until they discovered it. You
Speaker 2: think about the mountain gorillas that was essentially ENCRYPTID. There's
Speaker 2: no way that gorillas could live in these high elevations.
Speaker 2: Lo and behold, they found them, and yeah, we've documented them.
Speaker 2: We know they're real. So again, if it's just solely
Speaker 2: a North American primate we haven't caught up with, I
Speaker 2: really believe we would have had one by now and
Speaker 2: just hasn't happened at least in my knowledge.
Speaker 3: Hasn't my other aspect to wondering of what this is,
Speaker 3: because well, he has to have some sort of intelligence
Speaker 3: if it's able to avoid detection somehow. Think about technology.
Speaker 3: Everything has a security camera these days, everyone has a
Speaker 3: phone in their pocket, Everyone has a trail cam out
Speaker 3: there now looking for deer or whatever. And then ever,
Speaker 3: this is where I come back to it, and this
Speaker 3: is the excuses that get used. And I'm not saying
Speaker 3: they're wrong. I just sure it just sounds convenient. They
Speaker 3: know what cameras are, Okay, Well, how will they know
Speaker 3: what a camera is? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 3: if they're just an animal, how do they know that
Speaker 3: this thing takes a photo of them and they don't
Speaker 3: want to be seen. How do they know the thing
Speaker 3: in your pocket takes a photo? How do they know
Speaker 3: the thing on the wall of a building it's video camera. Well,
Speaker 3: they see the infrared light, so they know how to
Speaker 3: avoid that. Well, how do they know what an infra
Speaker 3: red light is?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Like, so the part of being
Speaker 3: just a flesh and blood animal doesn't add up to
Speaker 3: me that way. If it is a flesh and blood
Speaker 3: animal have to have some sort of intelligence.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm gonna I'll tell you this. And this is
Speaker 2: a This is a gentleman that I've partnered up with
Speaker 2: who found me. He is I think I just mentioned
Speaker 2: briefly mentioned he's he's a he's got a PhD in
Speaker 2: chemistry and a bachelor's in chemistry engineering, and he's a believer.
Speaker 2: And he's done a lot of DNA sampling with class
Speaker 2: A accounts of where the creature stood, you know, water samples,
Speaker 2: things of that nature, and the DNA studies that he's done,
Speaker 2: and this is what he told me. He has found
Speaker 2: anomalost DNA, which makes sense because if anybody has gotten
Speaker 2: any type of DNA or alleged DNA, it typically comes back.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying typically that it just happens all
Speaker 2: the time type of thing, but what I have read
Speaker 2: is that it comes back as ape human and anomalist
Speaker 2: DNA that they cannot match up against in the DNA
Speaker 2: banks at all. There's nothing that matches up, right. He
Speaker 2: told me that it is more human DNA than APE,
Speaker 2: a lot more human than DNA, sorry, a lot more
Speaker 2: human DNA than APE. And then coupled with anomalist DNA
Speaker 2: that he cannot put up against in any you know
Speaker 2: DNA bank, you know, with any animal or you know,
Speaker 2: any known creature out there. So when he said that Rod,
Speaker 2: it's more human DNA than anything else, the lights went on,
Speaker 2: right because I'm just like, that makes sense. Of course,
Speaker 2: that's why they're so cunning and smart. That's why they're
Speaker 2: the masters of their domain, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so that kind of changed a little bit for me.
Speaker 2: So but again, could could that be wrong? It could be,
Speaker 2: But it makes sense though, it makes sense that there
Speaker 2: are very stealthy I mean, if we're talking about a
Speaker 2: creature that possesses a little more human DNA than ape
Speaker 2: and of course the anomalous DNA, we have no idea
Speaker 2: what it is. Maybe that maybe that part of it
Speaker 2: possesses the supernatural end of things, you know, Wow, like
Speaker 2: we've got I can kind of understand why these things
Speaker 2: have gone undetected for a long time. The other part
Speaker 2: of it is I think that and and this is
Speaker 2: just me. This is just and again I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: I could be right. I don't know. But for me,
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of these creatures are coming
Speaker 2: up from underneath from underneath some some underground caverns and
Speaker 2: cave systems and things like that. So, but you know,
Speaker 2: going back to your point, you know, if it's just
Speaker 2: a if it's just an animal, how does it know
Speaker 2: that you know, you know, or what a camera is
Speaker 2: or or you know, or hey, somebody had this class
Speaker 2: a siding. They're face to facing this creature, and they
Speaker 2: pulled out the gun and they pointed this creature and
Speaker 2: this creature just went ballistic when it pointed this gun.
Speaker 2: When the person pointed the gun at this creature, how
Speaker 2: do they know that that was a gun? How do
Speaker 2: they know that that was something that was threatening to them?
Speaker 2: You know, my only thing would be that they've done
Speaker 2: a really good job of observing us and kind of gathering,
Speaker 2: you know, information, you know about us and what we do.
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe they don't know all of the
Speaker 2: ins and outs of guns or cameras, but they kind
Speaker 2: of have an understanding of what it is and they
Speaker 2: stay away from it type of thing. So, but you know,
Speaker 2: I always tell people, then again, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That is the one thing to say when it comes
Speaker 3: to these topics is I could be wrong, because no
Speaker 3: one really knows exactly.
Speaker 2: I'll tell people this because I know because I am.
Speaker 2: I am on the wood structure end of things. My
Speaker 2: forte is the wood structure. I believe it's a viable
Speaker 2: piece of trace evidence. I believe that people discard it,
Speaker 2: they don't look at it. You know, the details of
Speaker 2: any crime scene are very important, no matter how minuscule
Speaker 2: it is. Right, So why are we looking at just
Speaker 2: having these grand class A encounters when you know some
Speaker 2: of the trace evidence might be stereering us right in
Speaker 2: the face. And we are too prideful and you know
Speaker 2: about ourselves and our own agenda to discard this trace
Speaker 2: evidence that's right there, you know, and understand or try to.
Speaker 2: Maybe we may not understand it, but you know, try
Speaker 2: to study it, you know, try to you know, make
Speaker 2: sense of it. Right, And so you know, for me,
Speaker 2: it's a very important thing for the you know, as
Speaker 2: far as the wood structure goes. But you know, I
Speaker 2: tell people, you could be right, you could be right,
Speaker 2: you know, leaving it open because you know, here again,
Speaker 2: like we've just talked about, nobody knows, not even the quote.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even gonna say experts because I shy
Speaker 2: away from that term. I don't need a label. I
Speaker 2: don't need expert next to my name because I'm not
Speaker 2: an expert. I'm nothing of the sort. I'm I'm a student.
Speaker 2: That's what I consider myself. And so there's no experts
Speaker 2: in the field. And I mean that that makes sense
Speaker 2: to me. But you know, I think we need to
Speaker 2: look at all points, all evidence presented. We need to
Speaker 2: look at it.
Speaker 3: Some people are too caught up in their own evidence,
Speaker 3: and by evidence, I think, I'm not saying that they
Speaker 3: have a definitive proof. I'm just thinking they've made their
Speaker 3: opinion in their brain, sure, and they've collected what they
Speaker 3: believe is their evidence, and you'll never convince them to
Speaker 3: come off of it, like you'll never open their minds
Speaker 3: to the possibilities of other things, because they've already determined
Speaker 3: in their head what these things are. Absolutely everyone wants
Speaker 3: to be the first one to stamp it and say
Speaker 3: this is it. I was right, and they want that
Speaker 3: pat on the back.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't go that route for anything, So I know
Speaker 3: there's people out there that do, and I think there's
Speaker 3: that's why there's a lot of toxicity amongst these communities.
Speaker 2: No, and you're absolutely right. And so here's what I'll
Speaker 2: tell you about that, you know, uh and and not
Speaker 2: and not everybody is out to you know, be quote
Speaker 2: the one that's going to break it all open. There
Speaker 2: are some people out there that will tell you know, yes,
Speaker 2: I've I am that person, and I tooot my otin horn,
Speaker 2: what do I What I will say is that some
Speaker 2: of these people that you see that are in that
Speaker 2: area of just going no, this is what it is.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you why. Because I've been a
Speaker 2: police officer for this long, I've been a blah blah
Speaker 2: blah or I have an education in this you the
Speaker 2: base it off of education. They based it off of uh,
Speaker 2: you know, uh uh you know, being an investigator in
Speaker 2: the you know, as far as law enforcement or what
Speaker 2: have your military or whatever. And while those things are
Speaker 2: not bad at all, they're not they're great. In fact,
Speaker 2: I wish, you know, I wanted to be a cop
Speaker 2: when I was younger, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not saying that those things are bad,
Speaker 2: but it seems to me that the narrative is based
Speaker 2: off of something that they have done as a trade
Speaker 2: or a career for a long time, so of course
Speaker 2: they're going to try and throw it into that category. Well,
Speaker 2: based off of, you know, what I've done for a living,
Speaker 2: it has to be this because this is what I've
Speaker 2: done for a long time, and you know, I've always
Speaker 2: been right in this area, so it's got to be this. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about something that we don't have.
Speaker 2: We don't have a physical piece, at least at least
Speaker 2: the civilians don't have a physical piece or a body
Speaker 2: to examine. You know, maybe maybe the the the powers
Speaker 2: that be, you know, the government or you know, quote
Speaker 2: the men in Black have I believe they do, but
Speaker 2: we don't. We don't know what these things are. So
Speaker 2: you know, it's still you know, the jury's out type
Speaker 2: of thing. But you know, I've noticed that people that
Speaker 2: have that type of narrative that go, well, this is
Speaker 2: what it is, and it's and where I'm basing off
Speaker 2: of a career that I have done. I've been an
Speaker 2: investigator or a detective for blah blah blah years and
Speaker 2: I know what I'm looking for and I know blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, and based off of my you know, expertise,
Speaker 2: this is what it is. Well, you could be wrong too.
Speaker 2: You know, you're you're a human just like anybody else,
Speaker 2: and and you know, and so that's what I think.
Speaker 2: That's what makes it so much I think fun and interesting,
Speaker 2: but also frustrating in a way because you've got so
Speaker 2: many people out there that just God, there's there's so
Speaker 2: much there's so many feuds and backbiting and just I
Speaker 2: mean back and forth. It's insane.
Speaker 3: There's too many cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Dude. Yes, absolutely, And I you know, I stay away
Speaker 2: from that, you know, but I'm the guy in the
Speaker 2: background going, hey, y'all want to look at some wood structures.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm the nerd in the back going, hey, man, like,
Speaker 2: look at this TP over here, Like look, you know. So,
Speaker 2: you know, but that's what I've noticed with with some
Speaker 2: of the people that are quote, you know, that no
Speaker 2: know it all type of thing. And you know, I
Speaker 2: think pride definitely injects itself into that equation, which I
Speaker 2: try to approach everything with the utmost humility. I know nothing,
Speaker 2: I'm just a knucklehead out there in the woods trying
Speaker 2: to make sense of this stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's the best way to go
Speaker 3: about business. Is to just you'd do your research and
Speaker 3: you're just presenting what you find and you're not out
Speaker 3: there telling people exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I can tell you what I what I
Speaker 2: think it could be right, you know, if you want
Speaker 2: to ask my honest opinion, you know I could. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I could tell you what I feel like these things
Speaker 2: could be. That doesn't make me right, And and nor
Speaker 2: do I tell anybody else that they're wrong and what
Speaker 2: they believe, you know, and what I really feel like
Speaker 2: I present is again, I believe what I present is
Speaker 2: very viable trace evidence, and I believe that people do
Speaker 2: not pay attention to it enough. And I get a
Speaker 2: lot of flak for just saying that I believe these
Speaker 2: creatures can travel into suburban areas. There's no way, you know,
Speaker 2: I get this all the time. There's no way that
Speaker 2: a sasquatch could come into San Antonio. I'm like, really,
Speaker 2: you're speaking on behalf of a creature. You have no idea,
Speaker 2: you're speaking on behalf of that creature. Like you're telling me,
Speaker 2: like you know exactly what these things do. It doesn't
Speaker 2: you can't. There's no way. But here's what I do present, Right,
Speaker 2: If the habitat supports big game. If there is a creek,
Speaker 2: green belt, or even a river that has plenty of
Speaker 2: coverage with that big game going through in and out,
Speaker 2: you have to have safe passage in and out. You
Speaker 2: have a recipe for some cryptid activity. You absolutely do,
Speaker 2: because now you've got you could have a water source,
Speaker 2: you could have a highway, you know. And for me,
Speaker 2: in my area in San Antonio, we have what's called
Speaker 2: the Salato Creek. So the Salado Creek is a historical
Speaker 2: creek and it runs literally from north outside the outskirts
Speaker 2: of San Antonio all the way into the city into
Speaker 2: the south side, obviously going north south all the way
Speaker 2: outside of the city into other little small towns. It
Speaker 2: is a highway and it's riddled with white tail deer, raccoons, possoms, squirrels,
Speaker 2: I mean, all the usual suspects. We've got fox as well.
Speaker 2: We've got ringtailed cats, which are very nocturnal, very rare.
Speaker 2: But we've got all of these things that are that
Speaker 2: are that are in these creeks that are very prominent,
Speaker 2: that present safe passage in and out of the city.
Speaker 2: And you know, why would that not be a cryptid highway,
Speaker 2: right But also what I add on to that is
Speaker 2: this connected to these to that particular creek. There are
Speaker 2: numerous wilderness parks that are connected to these creeks. That's
Speaker 2: where I find a lot of these wood structures. But
Speaker 2: I do go. I go in the places where people
Speaker 2: don't go, you know, in the in these big wilderness parks.
Speaker 2: So why is it that I'm able to look at
Speaker 2: all of these wilderness parks in my area that are
Speaker 2: connected to this creek and find all of this quote
Speaker 2: trace evidence and the former of woods of these wood
Speaker 2: structure and I have found prints as well. Is it
Speaker 2: just p bull going out there and just doing this
Speaker 2: stuff just to hoax you? Is it the boy Scouts?
Speaker 2: Is it homeless people? Is it bushcraft? You know, it's
Speaker 2: just it's just very interesting. But you know, those are
Speaker 2: the things that I look at and I present and
Speaker 2: I get a lot of pushback on it, like there's
Speaker 2: no way, there's no way. Well, again, you're speaking on
Speaker 2: behalf of a species or a creature that you know
Speaker 2: nothing about. You're telling me that you know exactly the
Speaker 2: characteristics and the habits of these creatures. You're telling me
Speaker 2: that no nobody can answer me that question. So you know,
Speaker 2: the jury's out, but I think what I present is
Speaker 2: very viable and I think it's very plausible that it
Speaker 2: can be you know.
Speaker 3: That way, I'm going to be out in the woods
Speaker 3: here for this documentary. Bily things for someone that comes
Speaker 3: across wood structures, like what should I be looking for?
Speaker 2: So what you want to look for is did those
Speaker 2: pieces grow in that area? You know, is you know,
Speaker 2: look scan around the area that encompasses that wood structure. Right,
Speaker 2: did those pieces grow there? Number one? Were they ripped out?
Speaker 2: Number two? Do they have the root system attached to them?
Speaker 2: The other thing? Right? How tall are they? Notice that
Speaker 2: some of these pieces. Take a look at some of
Speaker 2: these pieces, they are torn limb from limb, totally naked
Speaker 2: until there's no limbs, it's just a straight or whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, angle this piece of what is going And
Speaker 2: then also look at the bark. A lot of times
Speaker 2: these bark are stripped completely off of these trees. Right.
Speaker 2: How is it fashioned? Is it a teepee? Is it
Speaker 2: an a frame? Is it a lean type of structure
Speaker 2: or is it what I call a wigwam where it
Speaker 2: has kind of a maybe a flat top or a
Speaker 2: dome shaped type of top to it and then look
Speaker 2: inside of it. Look inside of it. A lot of times,
Speaker 2: what I find inside some of these wood structures are
Speaker 2: a series of different types of rocks that are placed.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know what those rocks are placed there for,
Speaker 2: but they're typically placed inside for whatever reason. Some of
Speaker 2: them have been maybe whittled down to maybe a sharp
Speaker 2: edge to use for I don't know what, but that's
Speaker 2: something that I've found that has been consistent. The other
Speaker 2: part of it is that sometimes there are these what
Speaker 2: I call these fake fire pits that are close by,
Speaker 2: if not in front of the wood structure itself. And
Speaker 2: what I mean but fake fire pit is that some
Speaker 2: of these things have a around circle of rocks and
Speaker 2: then they'll put these pieces of wood like like it's
Speaker 2: kindling in the middle of these of these rock circles,
Speaker 2: like it was a like a fire, but yet nothing's
Speaker 2: been burnt. There's no carbon nothing at all. There's you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's no matches around there, there's no lighters. You know,
Speaker 2: there's no beer cans, there's no you know, uh, anything
Speaker 2: that says like, hey, I'm a human, I was here
Speaker 2: camping type of thing, you know, so you have to
Speaker 2: look at all those elements. The main thing is look
Speaker 2: at the type of tree that this these wood structures
Speaker 2: were that this wood has been used for uh and
Speaker 2: and determined has it grown in this area? Is it
Speaker 2: is it from this area or is it from you know,
Speaker 2: uh uh an area you know that's uh maybe you
Speaker 2: know miles away or a mile away or whatever type
Speaker 2: of thing. So what I have found is that some
Speaker 2: of these pieces of wood that I find that are
Speaker 2: fashioned to you know, a tpee or whatever type of
Speaker 2: wood structure, they're torn limb from limb. The bark is
Speaker 2: torn off, the root system is still attached, meaning that
Speaker 2: something with great strength that's pulled this tree right out
Speaker 2: of the ground and drug it into this area to
Speaker 2: make this type of wood structure. And did this tree
Speaker 2: grow here? And now I will tell you from my experience,
Speaker 2: nine times out of ten you'll find that the trees
Speaker 2: have been pulled out if you look at them with
Speaker 2: the root system did not grow in that area. So
Speaker 2: something or someone with great strength drug this twelve foot
Speaker 2: tree that's eight inches around with the root system still
Speaker 2: attached to build this thing. And that's when you sit
Speaker 2: there and go, ah, this is this is weird? Who
Speaker 2: would do that? Right? So so then but but I
Speaker 2: have to debunk myself, right, I have to really debunk myself.
Speaker 2: I can't sit there and go, oh, yes, you know
Speaker 2: a sasquatch built this and this is it and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah whatever. No, I have to look at all
Speaker 2: of those points. Okay, have they have they been uh
Speaker 2: you know, pulled out of the ground, have they been torn? Did?
Speaker 2: Did did it? You know again? Did the did the
Speaker 2: tree grow there? Type of thing? All these things right,
Speaker 2: and then I have to determine whether if I think
Speaker 2: it's people or not. And the way I do that
Speaker 2: is this, if it's bushcraft, and and you've probably seen
Speaker 2: bushcraft done before or maybe you've seen the videos. Right,
Speaker 2: So if you know about bushcraft, you know that these
Speaker 2: pieces are going to be consistent in length and size
Speaker 2: because there is an objective with these bushcraft uh altars,
Speaker 2: meaning that they are going to try and keep out
Speaker 2: the elements. They're trying to keep somebody warm, You're trying
Speaker 2: to keep somebody out of the rain, trying to keep
Speaker 2: somebody out of wind or the sun. Right when these
Speaker 2: wood structures that I come up against, do none of
Speaker 2: those things. They don't keep out sunlight, they don't keep
Speaker 2: out rain, they don't keep up wind. Okay, now we've
Speaker 2: got something different that wasn't a human. Then you've got
Speaker 2: the homeless people theory, which crumbles every time because the
Speaker 2: homeless people in my areas they've got tents, they've got tents.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't they don't go out and and
Speaker 2: and pull out trees out of the ground and put
Speaker 2: them into tepee structures or wigwams or whatever. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: so you've got that that's thrown out. Then you've got
Speaker 2: the boy scout theory. Well, it's boy scouts, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've been I've been keeping tabs in my areas for
Speaker 2: seven years, morning, noon, and evening, right, not always consistently,
Speaker 2: but for seven years. You would think within seven years
Speaker 2: I would have seen a boy scout or a troop,
Speaker 2: you know, making these things. Never happened, not a single person.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you keep tabs on the area
Speaker 2: over your period of time as consistent as you can,
Speaker 2: and you have not seen a person but the piece
Speaker 2: of wood putting these things together, then you've got you've
Speaker 2: got a recipe for something that could be cryptid.
Speaker 3: My thought process when it comes to the structures other
Speaker 3: than a shelter for people making them, or even if
Speaker 3: someone's trying to hoax it, really hoaxing it. For like,
Speaker 3: it's just random because I've seen the way trees have
Speaker 3: fallen down laying down the front, because I used to
Speaker 3: go disc golfing quite a bit when I've been out
Speaker 3: like some of the state parks or something, and I
Speaker 3: never really thought anything of it other than that's weird.
Speaker 3: And I just kept going like, does that mean a
Speaker 3: sasquatch did it?
Speaker 2: No? But yeah, exactly, yep.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why people would do that. It just
Speaker 3: seemed random for someone to do that, And like until
Speaker 3: you actually start getting into bigfoot lore and everything else,
Speaker 3: knowing the average person is not going to think anything
Speaker 3: about that other than they're not going to relate that
Speaker 3: to a big foot unless they've watched the show that
Speaker 3: said something about it being bigfoot.
Speaker 2: So if it's you got to think about this, Brandon.
Speaker 2: The percentage, the percentage of people that know about this
Speaker 2: stuff that is super low.
Speaker 3: It's miniscule, but the TV shows it's made it a
Speaker 3: little bit more popular, but it's still not enough to
Speaker 3: where I think random people are just going out in
Speaker 3: the woods and making these things just for ships.
Speaker 2: And giggles exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: For someone to maybe come across to and be like,
Speaker 3: oh look at that. And then that's it, Like why
Speaker 3: WI your time?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What exactly? And then you know I've gotten the
Speaker 2: whole Well it's teenagers, Rod, and I'm thinking, man, I'm
Speaker 2: a father of four teenagers. Okay, I've got one of
Speaker 2: the army, I've got a twenty year old, and then
Speaker 2: I've got you know, a fifteen and a nineteen year old. Okay,
Speaker 2: these kids are not going to get out their phones
Speaker 2: and go out in the woods and put wood pieces together.
Speaker 2: There's no way.
Speaker 3: It's like pulling. It's pulling teeth to get kids don't
Speaker 3: want to go out and do anything at this point.
Speaker 2: Absolutely it is right. I grew up in the eighties
Speaker 2: and I was out in the woods whenever I could. Ben,
Speaker 2: I was just you know, now, I could see if
Speaker 2: we were in this conversation in the eighties and seventies, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe right, I could say, yeah, you know what could be,
Speaker 2: But not now, there's no way. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: I grew up in the eight nineties as far as
Speaker 3: like when I was out doing dumb shit with my
Speaker 3: buddies and late late nineties, early two thousands, when we
Speaker 3: were like senior in high school or whatever. So I
Speaker 3: could see going out because we did. We used to
Speaker 3: go out in the woods and we did made funny
Speaker 3: videos and stuff like that. But we never did anything
Speaker 3: like that, right, We didn't know of anything, what structures
Speaker 3: or anything like that. So how many times did I
Speaker 3: go did I encounter something out there that I've just
Speaker 3: never even thought of?
Speaker 2: Right? And I think chances are, growing up, if you
Speaker 2: had gone to Nashville Park, so we'll do as parks
Speaker 2: in your area, chances are you've walked right past these things,
Speaker 2: never gave it a second thought, you know. And that's
Speaker 2: what I tell people. You've probably walked past these things
Speaker 2: and never thought about it at all, never thought about it.
Speaker 2: And so you know, I I that's when I come
Speaker 2: in and I go, you know, let's look at the
Speaker 2: lay of the land here, let's let's look at the topography. No,
Speaker 2: does it make sense for these creatures to come in
Speaker 2: and out of your area, you know? And so I'm
Speaker 2: of the mindset that these things can and have traveled
Speaker 2: through suburban areas given the right topography, the right landscape,
Speaker 2: if you will. And you know, given the fact that
Speaker 2: you know, in these wilderness parks that I have in
Speaker 2: my area, there's no hunting allowed. You can't go out
Speaker 2: and pop off a white tail over here. You can't
Speaker 2: go out and camp in these wilderness parks. You can't.
Speaker 2: So who or what is building these things in these
Speaker 2: wilderness parks? And now why why are they all over
Speaker 2: the place. Is it one team of people running around
Speaker 2: just doing this stuff with incredible strength, you know? Or
Speaker 2: do we have a cryptid problem? You know? I tend
Speaker 2: to think that it's it's more of the crypt cryptied
Speaker 2: area than than people. You know that, And that's and
Speaker 2: that that's the argument I present. And you know, And
Speaker 2: could I be wrong on some of this stuff. I
Speaker 2: could be. I could be, And I'm not gonna doubt it.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say they go no, no, it's definitely
Speaker 2: you know, a sasquatch or a dog man or whatever
Speaker 2: the heck it is. You know, it's out there doing this.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't believe it like that, you know,
Speaker 2: But I do find it very very strange, very strange.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think for me, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2: I have friends, you know that are cryptozoologists that are
Speaker 2: you know, they they they they put their content out
Speaker 2: and it's really cool and it's it's very well thought out.
Speaker 2: It's awesome, and it's like, wow, yeah, okay, I got you.
Speaker 2: I understand. But when I come along a guy like
Speaker 2: me comes along and says, hey, look, I want you
Speaker 2: to look at this, I get so much crap from
Speaker 2: people because again, my my whole thing is, you guys
Speaker 2: want to look at these you know, we want to
Speaker 2: focus on these class A sidings and you want to
Speaker 2: focus on this, which is nothing wrong with that, but
Speaker 2: let's be honest. Let's look at the the details of
Speaker 2: the scene here, you know. And not only that, if
Speaker 2: you if you listen to any sasquatch uh podcasts uh
Speaker 2: with with with people that are having encounters with these creatures,
Speaker 2: some of them live in rural areas, some of them
Speaker 2: live by rivers, by creeks, you know, they lived out
Speaker 2: in the woods what have you. And they go, well, man,
Speaker 2: I saw this weird looking wood structured thing that was
Speaker 2: in the woods on my property and I looked at
Speaker 2: it and WHOA, I just saw the creature like come
Speaker 2: out behind it or in the area of this anomalous
Speaker 2: wood structure. You know, these things are correlative, they really are.
Speaker 2: But you have to really listen, you have to really
Speaker 2: listen to some of these encounters to really grab this stuff,
Speaker 2: and you'll find that some of these people will will
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this, even watching I was just
Speaker 2: watching the last whole season of what did you call it?
Speaker 2: Expedition Bigfoot, and they're recapping a lot of the seasons.
Speaker 2: I think on maybe one of one of the episodes
Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but some of the recaps were like, whoa,
Speaker 2: they found these tps, they found this, they found that. Now,
Speaker 2: granted they out they are out in the remote areas,
Speaker 2: I get it, but these things are being seen and
Speaker 2: nobody's really looking at them as a viable piece of
Speaker 2: trace evidence, or at least from what I've seen, I know,
Speaker 2: most people aren't. You know, they disregarded as almost people
Speaker 2: boy scouts, bushcraft, you know, what have you type of things.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, that's I mean, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, when someone comes across them and they're
Speaker 3: out in the middle of nowhere where people shouldn't even
Speaker 3: be in the first place, like they're up. Nearest town
Speaker 3: is fifty miles away, right Who is out building these
Speaker 3: things for what purpose now?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm not saying that the ones that are around
Speaker 3: here are made by people, because just from my own
Speaker 3: local area, I have a map sitting here I'm looking at.
Speaker 3: This is part of the reason I'm doing a documentary
Speaker 3: is because there's been so many weird sightings in this
Speaker 3: small area that I'm from. And there is a spot
Speaker 3: right here that has had multiple different encounters with something.
Speaker 3: And then if you follow this pathway about a mile
Speaker 3: and a half, it leads to a woods where someone
Speaker 3: else has reported a bigfoot. And if you go down
Speaker 3: the road about a mile there's been someone that saiden
Speaker 3: four years ago now a bigfoot walked in front of
Speaker 3: their vehicle. There's a lot of sightings within like a
Speaker 3: three mile three square mile radius. And again it's right
Speaker 3: by rivers and it's a wooded area, So there's a
Speaker 3: lot of strange stuff that happens around these areas.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's where I say pay attention to the
Speaker 2: lay of the land. I live by a river, I
Speaker 2: live by a creek, I live by a greenway. These
Speaker 2: are all highways for these creatures because they present a
Speaker 2: safe passage in and out. It presents kind of an
Speaker 2: easy meal, right. It makes sense. It makes it. Think
Speaker 2: about it this way. If you were somebody that was
Speaker 2: trying to get in and out of an area and
Speaker 2: be and wanted to be undetected, and you've got this
Speaker 2: nice creek that has a really you know, thick canopy,
Speaker 2: and you know there's there's lots of resources at your
Speaker 2: disposal as far as like you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: wildlife and plants and and and and water. You know
Speaker 2: you're going to use that as a highway. You know
Speaker 2: you're going to use that to your advantage. And if
Speaker 2: you don't want to be seen, man, I could hide
Speaker 2: in the vegetation of this creek, I could hide, you know,
Speaker 2: in this area of this river or what have you.
Speaker 2: You know, these things are are almost always seen in
Speaker 2: close to people where people live off of these creeks,
Speaker 2: rivers and green belts, And that that makes all the
Speaker 2: sense to me, makes all the sense to me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a question at you here, h You
Speaker 3: mentioned like the waterways and everything. If you think of
Speaker 3: things and I don't want to call it the wo
Speaker 3: side to it. But basically just level with me. If
Speaker 3: sure in the paranormal field they consider water a conduit
Speaker 3: of energy. Yes, they feed off of that. That's how
Speaker 3: they grow their energy. It's something that influent like it
Speaker 3: helps bring out the paranormal activity. I guess, like they
Speaker 3: say that energy is because of the constant flow of
Speaker 3: the water. It feeds the spirits or whatever. Mhm, what
Speaker 3: if these creatures bigfoot, whatever they are, use that water
Speaker 3: as their source of energy to like it if they're
Speaker 3: from a different if we're going on that whole loose,
Speaker 3: I would if that's something that that they don't just
Speaker 3: travel down like that is how they are morphed into
Speaker 3: with the energy from the water systems.
Speaker 2: Man, that's wow, Yeah, that's interesting. Uh that might be something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I I I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I can't say that
Speaker 2: it's you know, far fetched because again a lot of
Speaker 2: the some of these these these encounters that I've read
Speaker 2: and heard about, you know, these things tend to have
Speaker 2: some type of supernatural ability. Uh. Some say that these
Speaker 2: things are coming out of portals, and maybe that water
Speaker 2: poses as some type of a portal from here to
Speaker 2: another dimension. If you will type of thing. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's something I've thought about that tied, but not to
Speaker 2: that depth, but I thought of something in that area. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just look at it like if a lot of
Speaker 3: people are reporting and seeing these things around a water source,
Speaker 3: and I understand obviously animals in general are normally around
Speaker 3: water sources, but a lot of people claim that paranormal
Speaker 3: activity is influenced from water sources too.
Speaker 2: M H.
Speaker 3: So if these Bigfoot are a supernatural being, is it
Speaker 3: possible that maybe the water sources is also part of
Speaker 3: what power is them to be here, like people encounter
Speaker 3: a ghost. M maybe it's part of the bigfoot thing.
Speaker 2: I I Yeah, I would not doubt that at all.
Speaker 2: I've got So, so here's something interesting. We went out
Speaker 2: me and uh my my new friend, a friend of mine.
Speaker 2: He's a I think I talked about him. He's a
Speaker 2: he's a chemical chemical engineer. He's he's got a PhD
Speaker 2: in chemistry. He's a believer. He's somebody that has spoken
Speaker 2: at you know, bigfoot conferences, published author really cool gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Uh made friends with them through a network of other
Speaker 2: friends as well. And we went out to an area
Speaker 2: that I took him to.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: I I thought, well, you know, hey, look let me
Speaker 2: let me introduce you to this area as kind of
Speaker 2: like kind of scratching the surface type of thing of
Speaker 2: one of the areas that I've documented for a long time.
Speaker 2: And then we'll go over to another part of town
Speaker 2: where you know, I've I've documented this and this, this
Speaker 2: and so and so on and so on. Right, So
Speaker 2: he went to this area. He has this frequency uh
Speaker 2: machine that he's made himself. Uh. It's really cool. It's
Speaker 2: it's it measures it. So what his thing is that
Speaker 2: he says that we give off a frequency. Uh so
Speaker 2: when you're alive, you give off a certain frequency. When
Speaker 2: you're dead, your your body still gives off a frequency
Speaker 2: as far as your bones and things of that nature. Right,
Speaker 2: So this machine that he has can detect whether if
Speaker 2: you're buried or kind of if you're alive, because it
Speaker 2: will give off a certain number in this frequency. Right,
Speaker 2: and he could he could triangulate you know, where you
Speaker 2: know this person might be buried or hey, there you are,
Speaker 2: you're alive, I can I can find you with this
Speaker 2: meter type of thing. Anyway, it's kind of beyond me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wasn't really good in school, so I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm just kind of that guy. But anyway, we
Speaker 2: went out and we started we went out to went out.
Speaker 2: We went out a couple of weeks ago and I
Speaker 2: took him to this one spot and his meter was
Speaker 2: going off, like he was like, man, this is remarkable.
Speaker 2: I've never seen this. I've never heard this like type
Speaker 2: of thing, which is really cool. And he said, you know,
Speaker 2: this could be something of maybe maybe it's a barrel
Speaker 2: ground rod And I'm thinking, what really, And so we're
Speaker 2: looking at these piles of rocks that I've documented over
Speaker 2: the years in this particular area, and some of them
Speaker 2: will be moved into a pile, some of them will
Speaker 2: be moved into different shapes like a circle if you will,
Speaker 2: right circles, these big rock circles. And you know, there
Speaker 2: was one area where there's this wood structure that kind
Speaker 2: of covered up this this rock bed that was inside
Speaker 2: the wood structure, Like these rocks were placed in a
Speaker 2: very strategic way and these pieces of wood covered it
Speaker 2: up as if it was guarding something. So his theory
Speaker 2: was this could be this could be a barrow ground.
Speaker 2: I'm like what he's like, now, it could be early
Speaker 2: settlers that were here, or it could be something else.
Speaker 2: We don't know, So we weren't ruling out whether if
Speaker 2: it could be you know, people that had settled in
Speaker 2: you know, this area early on and you know, they
Speaker 2: passed away and there buried here type of thing, or
Speaker 2: it could be something else. Right, So we go into
Speaker 2: this area this morning and we dig and I didn't
Speaker 2: dig very We didn't dig very deep at all. It
Speaker 2: was maybe like a foot and really nothing going on.
Speaker 2: And he said, hey, well wait a minute, let me
Speaker 2: go through with my meter again over the hole. This
Speaker 2: if it picks up anything, because if we're close, it
Speaker 2: could pick up something, you know, because we're digging, we're
Speaker 2: getting closer, right, and it would pick it up. And
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it just didn't pick up over
Speaker 2: that hole. And I'm like, what the heck? And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is strange. He's like, it's weird. Mind you. He's
Speaker 2: used this thing, this machine, and several different uh uh
Speaker 2: and a couple well, several different states and in different
Speaker 2: areas where they found buried you know, people, things like that,
Speaker 2: and so he was like, this is really weird. I'm like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: We came to determination that the rocks that were involved
Speaker 2: in these areas gave off some type of magnetic or
Speaker 2: some type of weird frequency. Now, these are just regular rocks.
Speaker 2: You would look at him and go, well, there's nothing
Speaker 2: special about them. I don't see anything. But here we
Speaker 2: are in this frequency thing is kind of going off
Speaker 2: over these rocks. He's like, there's something with these rocks,
Speaker 2: and like really, He's like, yeah, there's something very weird.
Speaker 2: It's very strange with these rocks. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: so he's going to analyze one of these rocks. But
Speaker 2: my point of telling you this is that some of
Speaker 2: these rocks that I've seen in this area were fashioned
Speaker 2: into a big circle. And I've gone back to other
Speaker 2: accounts where people are talking about and maybe you know,
Speaker 2: these podcasters that I've talked to as well, some of
Speaker 2: them have said, you know, maybe these are portals rod
Speaker 2: these these these these rocks are made, uh, and they're
Speaker 2: putting this this type of circle as portals to go
Speaker 2: in and out of other dimensions with these creatures. And
Speaker 2: when they're here their flesh and blood and they can go,
Speaker 2: you know, in and out to another world. So I
Speaker 2: found it very interesting that these these rocks gave off
Speaker 2: this type of weird, crazy frequency, and they had some
Speaker 2: type of magnetic field, a very strong magnetic field to them.
Speaker 2: It was very odd. So, you know, saying that water
Speaker 2: is a conductor absolutely hands down, But also too, there's
Speaker 2: other elements out there that could contribute to these things
Speaker 2: traveling in and out of other dimensions type of things.
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't put it past you know,
Speaker 2: these types of things utilizing whether if it's water or
Speaker 2: rocks and things like that. So yeah, so to your point,
Speaker 2: I'm with you, I'm kind of and also too, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you this. You've got an area called, you know,
Speaker 2: the Land between the Lakes the LBL. Right, have you
Speaker 2: heard of the LBL?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So people feel like that area because of the
Speaker 2: water and where it's at. Some people will say that's
Speaker 2: kind of a conductor, and that's contributing to some of
Speaker 2: the sightings of these dog men and and and you
Speaker 2: know sat squatch if you will, that are you know,
Speaker 2: that's why they're having these encounters, you know, because of
Speaker 2: you know, that whole water conductor thing as well. So
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, it's interesting though.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of things that somehow are
Speaker 3: connected and it's just a matter of time before we
Speaker 3: can piece more stuff together. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's just us spitballing and throwing things at the wall
Speaker 3: and sea what sticks right now, because again, like we
Speaker 3: said many times, no one really knows and no.
Speaker 2: One has the answer. Yeah, you're right. I think you're right.
Speaker 3: Well, we've been going on for a little over an hour,
Speaker 3: so I figure we could get ready to wrap this
Speaker 3: one up. But before we do, I would like for
Speaker 3: you to let everyone know where they can find your
Speaker 3: information APT for your research group and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So the main if you if you want
Speaker 2: to message me and you want to see a social
Speaker 2: media platform that's a lot more accessible in my eyes
Speaker 2: has been Instagram. So Instagram, Bear County Bigfoot, b e
Speaker 2: x A R County Bigfoot, all one word. You can
Speaker 2: find me on Instagram. You can find me on TikTok
Speaker 2: same thing, Bear County Bigfoot. And then Facebook. I have
Speaker 2: a private group, so you can you can request to
Speaker 2: be a part of the group and you have to
Speaker 2: answer just a couple of questions type of thing, and
Speaker 2: then I'll go in and I prove you basically say hey,
Speaker 2: you know, don't be a jerk, and you know, do
Speaker 2: you believe you know, the typical.
Speaker 3: Type, the typical to get on the group pages.
Speaker 2: Right, right. But one thing you have to know about
Speaker 2: the Bearcady Bigfoot Facebook group is that it's private. And
Speaker 2: I keep it that way for a reason. I have
Speaker 2: a small amount of people. We're probably a little over
Speaker 2: five hundred, and I kind of like it smaller only
Speaker 2: because and I hope nobody gets offended by this. I'm
Speaker 2: after quality and not quantity, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So just because you're a believer, and you know, you
Speaker 2: get in there and you just start rattling off all
Speaker 2: kinds of crazy stuff, you know, I really try to
Speaker 2: sift through and and and and vet people and and
Speaker 2: and that's just me. That's just my prerogative. That's just
Speaker 2: the way I do things. Because you know, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of trolls out there, you know this, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people out there that will say nasty things,
Speaker 2: disrespectful things, and I try to shield my people from that,
Speaker 2: and that's why I keep it small. But if if
Speaker 2: you're that person that you know is open minded and
Speaker 2: you're not going to be disrespectful. Please, you know, be
Speaker 2: a part of uh ask for approval and you know
Speaker 2: I'll go through and check you out and stuff. Also,
Speaker 2: I also have another page, a group on Facebook that's
Speaker 2: called South Texas Monster Hunters and that one's pretty you know,
Speaker 2: open and lax. And then I have another page that's
Speaker 2: going on five thousand members and that is big Foot
Speaker 2: one oh one, So any of those you'll be able
Speaker 2: to find me. I post my content on there those
Speaker 2: as well. And then YouTube is also the same thing,
Speaker 2: bearcaty Bigfoot. So basically all platforms you could find me.
Speaker 2: Instagram is how did the main one for me though,
Speaker 2: so you know you can find me there.
Speaker 3: Awesome, all right, it's been a pleasure talking to you, dude.
Speaker 2: It's been an honor. I appreciate your time. Man.
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