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<v Speaker 1>It's hey, forty here, fifty five KRCD talk station. I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned going to the break. We have choices, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of choices. Now for the twenty six Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty five carrec Morning Show. Calumnist and Library and

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<v Speaker 1>at the Cincinnian Inquired George jeff Ces, author of a

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<v Speaker 1>multitude of books we've talked about before. George has been

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<v Speaker 1>on the program. I'm talking about Lost Cincinnati, Hidden History

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, Dana Now, and Cincinnati An Illustrated Timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also written on other topics including the Disneylands, Tomorrowland,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals, San Francisco forty nine ers. He is a

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<v Speaker 1>resident of White Oak, Cincinnati. Guy he is, although he's

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<v Speaker 1>not originally from here, but he's doing an empower You seminar.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find more information to register and empower you

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<v Speaker 1>America dot org, a seminar on Cincinnati history. Jeff, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Morning Show. It's good having you back on.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick here. Being a librarian of the city is

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<v Speaker 1>sin Sinna Enquiry. They have their own library there obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, we kind of did you know? We have

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<v Speaker 2>all the clip and the photos and things for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>references for the reporters and the copy letters and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>over the years. But when we move buildings about two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago now, we donated our photofiles to the public library,

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<v Speaker 2>and the public libraries digitizing them all. Now they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be access to the Public's great, a good way

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<v Speaker 2>of the community kind of have better access.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's great. Remember having to use microfish back when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, like everything digitized now. Yeah, I can do

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<v Speaker 2>so much research just from sitting at home in my pajamas.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I can't argue with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing wrong with working from home. Along these lines, well, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to do a seminar empower you America. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>is this going to be live at the two twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five North and Boulevard with log in access from home

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<v Speaker 1>or is this only log in?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? To be really honest, I'm not sure. I'm I

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<v Speaker 2>just show up to talk, Okay, Well, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>assume it's going to be as the normal access to normal.

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<v Speaker 1>I just answered my own question. Because the link is

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<v Speaker 1>on my blog page fifty five KC dot com. You

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<v Speaker 1>can register to attend in persin or register to attend virtually,

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<v Speaker 1>so I guess you'll be appearing at two twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>North on Boulevard, oh Since A how far back in

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<v Speaker 1>time do you go? I had a historian friend, we

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<v Speaker 1>called him Bob from Oakley. He wrote books on the

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<v Speaker 1>early Cincinnati area history, early Ohio history. I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>went way way way back, like five thousand years ago

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<v Speaker 1>with the earliest dwellers in our area. How far back

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to start this presentation, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to talk really more about kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>early European settlers to come in kind of during the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen sixties seventeen seventies, just because it's more of a

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<v Speaker 2>freme of reference. You know, I don't really I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a scholar on you know, ancient cultures, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that stuff is still you know, we're finding new

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<v Speaker 2>things out every day, So I'm kind of focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like early America and how Cincinnati was being

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<v Speaker 2>found at the same time America is starting, and all

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<v Speaker 2>the same forces that are going on. So you have

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<v Speaker 2>those early frontier settlers like Daniel Boone. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes is surprising to realize that Daniel Boone was a

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<v Speaker 2>real person. And he really did stuff around here. He

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just a legend. And you know kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>connections to your American history of that kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>Revolutionary War.

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<v Speaker 1>Period, do you talk about how it was that people

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<v Speaker 1>ended up settling here in Cincinnati as opposed to I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, Ironton or any other town along the Ohio River.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I understand the river connection makes perfect sense

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<v Speaker 1>considering that's how trade was conducted. But why Cincinnati, why

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<v Speaker 1>this particular spot on the map.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they had three settlements all around within a month

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<v Speaker 2>of each other, that were founded in seventeen eighty eight

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty nine. There was Columbia, there was Cincinnati, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was North Bend, and those were kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>major ones, all starting right there six seventeen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also you know, the first election and everything. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the country is just starting and within a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>this whole Ohio Indiana kind of area is called the

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<v Speaker 2>Northwest Territory, and a lot of this was the American Territory,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there's a lot of tension and stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>they had to build a fort, and for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of different reasons, Cincinnati was the best location to locate

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<v Speaker 2>the fort, and that was Fort Washington, and we still

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<v Speaker 2>use that name for the freeway across can you know

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<v Speaker 2>for us down freeway access. And so that having Fort

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<v Speaker 2>Washington meant that it was also the center of the

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<v Speaker 2>new county, Hamilton County, and so all of the political things,

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<v Speaker 2>the legal things, the courthouses, everything like that becomes Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>becomes the center. And so then as that grows, especially

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<v Speaker 2>compared to the other settlements around, you're drawn to it

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<v Speaker 2>because it's got more established. So you've had more and

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<v Speaker 2>more people, and when you're going out there, most people

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<v Speaker 2>want to be near other people, except Daniel Boone, who

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<v Speaker 2>would get tired of people and go and set something else.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. That's true. What just said, hold you over,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do, because what are you asking? How the

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<v Speaker 1>erie erie canal helps solidify Cincinnati. Also a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>other things about this, like Sims Purchase. I live in

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<v Speaker 1>Simms Township, so my township has the name from Sims

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<v Speaker 1>and the Sims Purchase More with Jeff c Ay fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five kerr CE Talk Station. Happy Monday to you. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas here with Jeff C. Stilling A presentation Thursday empower

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<v Speaker 1>you America dot orgs where you sign up where you

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<v Speaker 1>want to sign up and log in from home or

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<v Speaker 1>alternatively show up at the power you some in our

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<v Speaker 1>studios two twenty five Northland Boulevard, FKA fram USA's building

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Erie Canal that used to be where Central Parkway

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<v Speaker 1>is now.

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<v Speaker 2>Right correct, Yeah, is the Miami and Erie Canal at

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<v Speaker 2>connected Lake Erie to the Ohio River. And the basic

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<v Speaker 2>idea actually came from George Washington. If you wanted the

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<v Speaker 2>inland waterway system to connect the Great Lakes to the rivers.

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<v Speaker 2>And what that really does is for did is you

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<v Speaker 2>know you have all the goods and services going from

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<v Speaker 2>the north, you know, New York and all that that

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<v Speaker 2>can reach the Great Lakes through the Ohio River to

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<v Speaker 2>the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. So Cincinnati became

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<v Speaker 2>a key part of that whole connection. But that's surely

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<v Speaker 2>only good until you have railroads that kind of replace

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<v Speaker 2>all of that and do something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's an.

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<v Speaker 2>Engineering like a couple of decades. Yeah, it just it

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<v Speaker 2>just is mind blow some remnants.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh I know, and yeah, and all the locks

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<v Speaker 1>that had to be built, and I just I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the tremendous labor and expense it was to build it,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you point out, it wasn't that far. You

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<v Speaker 1>fast forward and we don't need it anymore. We got

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<v Speaker 1>the rail system. So it's just I don't know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you look how long and how big it is, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I just kind of draw parallels. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like building the Panama Canal and maybe even more difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know did that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was quite lengthy. I mean, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole system of it. And luckily, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>helped build Cincinnati at the time, and so that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of helped build build up what we had in the

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<v Speaker 2>different industries and here, so you know it's had its

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<v Speaker 2>use and you know since any benefited from it. And

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<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned, as our Central Parkway is today. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you kind of trace it down the fact, if

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<v Speaker 2>you drive down Central Parkway, there's a couple of murals

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<v Speaker 2>that show what the canal boats look like. So check

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<v Speaker 2>those out.

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<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily checking an egg thing, but was was the

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<v Speaker 1>canal response before I have a connection with us becoming

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<v Speaker 1>porkopolis or will we pork opolists back in those days

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<v Speaker 1>before the Canal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit of both because the canals helped

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<v Speaker 2>be able to transport the you know, pork barrels and

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<v Speaker 2>things around to different places. And what ends up ending

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<v Speaker 2>the pork opolis, of course, is again the railroads, is

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<v Speaker 2>because you could actually take you know, pigs and livestock

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<v Speaker 2>be so close to the slaughterhouses and stuff. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago kind of gotten that from it. So it was, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of hand in hand at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>To ask you because I live in Simms Township, the

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<v Speaker 1>Sims Purchase. You'll be speaking about that on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely, Yeah. So the Sims purchase was John Cleves Simms.

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<v Speaker 2>He had been a veteran of the Revolutionary War and

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<v Speaker 2>they were offered the opportunity to purchase land and he

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<v Speaker 2>had heard about this area out you know where we

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<v Speaker 2>all are now, and he had the money and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and he bought about three hundred thousand acres and is

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<v Speaker 2>everything between the two Miami rivers. It's mostly Hamilton, Butler

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<v Speaker 2>and Warren County. And then he was resell it to people.

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<v Speaker 2>So he sold it to the plots of land that

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<v Speaker 2>made Cincinnati, and he settled himself in the North Bend

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's where the name comes up. Interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 2>his daughter married William Henry Harrison, so he was father

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<v Speaker 2>in law. And so that's why William here Harrison ended

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<v Speaker 1>Well there you go. Leave to Jeff to explain where

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<v Speaker 1>all these little puzzle pieces fit in Jesse and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that we have a very close connection with the

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<v Speaker 1>underground railroad. We were, like you know, we were the

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<v Speaker 1>line between slavery and freedom, and we have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of deep connection with the underground railroad. I presume that's

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<v Speaker 1>something else you'ld be speaking about on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll touch a bit on it because that's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more of the later period. But it's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a big setup of like you said that you had

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<v Speaker 2>the free territories, but concerning the free states and the

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<v Speaker 2>southern states that had slavery, and the Ohio River was

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<v Speaker 2>many underground railroad conductors these column like Lehigh Coffin and

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<v Speaker 2>John Rankin and John Parker in this area. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>we have the Freedom Center here. They located at the

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<v Speaker 2>Museum in Cincinnati, maybe because of Cincinnati's role in the

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<v Speaker 2>underground railroad. Indeed, that's another big part of since out

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<v Speaker 2>of History all right.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of format, it begins at seven pm on

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<v Speaker 1>Is there going to be any opportunity for Q and A?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you just going to be doing the presentation? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to set the stage for people's expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I was sure how the system works, and so

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<v Speaker 2>time at the end as well. So, yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 2>how the system works.

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<v Speaker 1>Historian Jeff c is on the Morning Show today and

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<v Speaker 1>real pleasure to having you on the program. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you have a wonderful presentation on Thursday.