Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Hey guys, Hey guys, Hey guys.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, hey guys, Hey guys, Yo, guys, Hey guys.
Speaker 3: The episode number forty three of the Steinstein Podcast. Hey Bye,
Speaker 3: I'm Donald, I'm Mondold Austin, I'm Austin LONLD.
Speaker 1: And I'm Morgan Fraightman. And we are on episode number forty.
Speaker 2: Three, forty three, forty three yep.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna divert from our last topic of UFOs
Speaker 1: or more stranger UFOs.
Speaker 2: We're gonna land the ship.
Speaker 1: Mothership's gonna land, and a big old piece of beef's
Speaker 1: gonna fall out of it. That's right, folks, We're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about cattle mutilations. Yeah, cat, we are. We
Speaker 1: are revisiting our original launching topic from September eleventh, two thousand, nineteen.
Speaker 2: Yep. And it's fitting because you're down in the basement
Speaker 2: where this all struck you for the first time.
Speaker 1: This is true. This is the first time I saw
Speaker 1: UFO was out of that window right back there that
Speaker 1: you can't see unless you're watching this on YouTube, which
Speaker 1: you probably won't be because we're not gonna put it
Speaker 1: on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Solid This is the town. This is the place. This
Speaker 2: is the vibe that you had when you were thinking
Speaker 2: about cattle mutilations as a youngster.
Speaker 1: Right, yep, this is where it all began, right here,
Speaker 1: Twin Falls, Ida. Which we should say once again we
Speaker 1: are recording remotely because I'm down here helping my dad
Speaker 1: and you're up there somewhere doing what you need. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you'd being a dad being a dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just took a drink of a what some
Speaker 2: kind of Irish whiskey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a body gas station coffee cup. It is
Speaker 1: a used coffee cup. It's paper.
Speaker 2: Did you get it from?
Speaker 1: Not a gas station? I actually went to this communal uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call it. It's a place
Speaker 1: where there are a bunch of different restaurants. It's on
Speaker 1: Second Avenue here in Twin Falls, and a bunch of
Speaker 1: different restaurants in one building, and they have a communal
Speaker 1: citting area. So you go over and you order the food.
Speaker 1: I had ribs, and then afterwards I went over to
Speaker 1: the coffee area and got me a coffee on the
Speaker 1: way home. That's what I did. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: neat idea. It's really cool, huh. I like it.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: This place. So there's a Mexican restaurant, there's an Italian.
Speaker 1: There's a barbecue place, which is where I went and
Speaker 1: got some ribs, and then there's a sushi restaurant where
Speaker 1: they make pokey bowls in sushi. Then there's a and
Speaker 1: then there's of course the ice cream vendor, and I
Speaker 1: think there's also a power juice and coffee place.
Speaker 2: Kind of sounds like we have up here the village.
Speaker 2: It's like a little small center for shopping and stuff,
Speaker 2: but there's lots of like food places that you.
Speaker 1: Can well, it's kind of like the way that used
Speaker 1: to be. They'd have the food courts in the mall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then in the middle was a place where you.
Speaker 2: Could also shares with them under yeah, everybody here, that's true,
Speaker 2: and you'd all be able to get your own food
Speaker 2: and then come back to the table.
Speaker 1: Except for here, there is no shopping outside of the
Speaker 1: food area. This is all about going there and having
Speaker 1: a food experience.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: And I thought, since we were going to be talking
Speaker 1: about cat emulations, I better eat me some beef.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: But you know what I didn't. I had pork pork
Speaker 1: ribs pork ribs. I know I could have got brisket,
Speaker 1: which is beef, but instead ribs sounded good. I wanted
Speaker 1: to not on some bones.
Speaker 2: There you go. I had not on some bones. I
Speaker 2: had some buffalo wings from Alberson's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are good.
Speaker 2: Ben ate almost a full buffalo wing.
Speaker 1: Oh, he actually had a buffalo wing and he's like two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he ate it. He wanted to bite. So I
Speaker 2: was like, fine, your problem, I'll give it to you
Speaker 2: and he ate it and then he just kept wanting more.
Speaker 1: Weird so he does not bother that boy.
Speaker 2: No, he's I think he's a little bit like his dad,
Speaker 2: Yeah and his grandfather.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, cool, hilarious. Well enough, we're going to get
Speaker 1: more comments like parrot sixty four or sixty nine, whoever
Speaker 1: she was parent? What was she? Uh? Polly, Oh, Polly,
Speaker 1: Polly the parrot, Polly sixty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those of you that didn't listen to our
Speaker 1: episode two episodes, we've mentioned her every time, so I
Speaker 1: know she's going to go down. She's an infamous.
Speaker 2: Now she's going to be our mascot.
Speaker 1: Of negative reviews. We got to.
Speaker 2: Parrot is our mascot now the astp parrot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pollie, if you're listening to us now, we're doing
Speaker 1: exactly what you hated about our podcast, which is rambling about.
Speaker 2: What did you call usnyashnyacks?
Speaker 1: But what did she say? We did?
Speaker 2: We We don't need to tell the waiter our name.
Speaker 1: Quirky. Oh yeah, she said we were quirky. We're being
Speaker 1: quirky right now, so you better not and off we're
Speaker 1: going to get more negative reviews.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, so what are we going to talk about?
Speaker 1: Then? Well, you know, we've been talking about UFOs, and
Speaker 1: we've been talking about We went from Jane Doe's experience
Speaker 1: with UFOs and then we went into I told a
Speaker 1: hoax story and you told a kind of dramatized, fantabulous story,
Speaker 1: and at the end we kind of talked about how
Speaker 1: we were going to migrate that because UFOs are very
Speaker 1: common with cattle mutilations there. They happened at the same time,
Speaker 1: so people are seeing UFOs and we thought, hey, perfect
Speaker 1: launch into our maiden episode flashback, right, and I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be good to update what's been going
Speaker 1: on in cattle mutilation land.
Speaker 2: Right, It's going to be kind of hard not to
Speaker 2: beat the dead cow. Yeah, we covered quite a bit
Speaker 2: on our first one just to stories and we did
Speaker 2: theories and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So we did three episodes when we started. And just
Speaker 1: in review, what do you remember about those episodes two
Speaker 1: years ago? I mean, what what is a cattle mutilation?
Speaker 2: Just off the top of your head, Well, I know
Speaker 2: that it's when a cattle or a cow gets mutilated.
Speaker 2: It usually like all the soft organs are taken out
Speaker 2: and like a lot of the genitalia are removed, yes,
Speaker 2: and like semi surgical removal of tissue like around the
Speaker 2: eyes and stuff. And it often happens around people who
Speaker 2: do a lot of meth.
Speaker 1: No, but it does. It happens rapidly. So you know,
Speaker 1: like we talked about in those episodes, it would be
Speaker 1: one thing. If a cow died natural causes whatever, eat
Speaker 1: something something, he falls to the ground, the coyotes get him,
Speaker 1: They tear off the soft tissue, you know, they eat
Speaker 1: his anus, They eat the soft tissue, genitalia, lips, ears,
Speaker 1: you know, anything that's protruding, it's gone. And then you
Speaker 1: know they are continually eaten by bugs and vult jackets
Speaker 1: and all vultures and whatever. And that takes time. But
Speaker 1: one thing that kind of distinguishes cattle mulations from that
Speaker 1: kind of deal is that a lot of times these
Speaker 1: things are reported as happening overnight or in some cases,
Speaker 1: you know, in just a few hours, which doesn't let
Speaker 1: the idea of predation work very well.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a not possible for them to do
Speaker 2: that much work in such a short amount of time.
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing along with that is
Speaker 1: ranchers are pretty smart people who have cows. Know what
Speaker 1: it's like when a cow dies and that predators get
Speaker 1: a hold of this thing and they chew it up
Speaker 1: or whatever. They're smart, they see these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's their territory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they know. So I think when a rancher comes
Speaker 1: forward and he says, oh, I found a cow and
Speaker 1: this thing is something's wrong with it, something's weird about
Speaker 1: the way this thing died, I think we got to.
Speaker 2: Listen to them, yeah, or at least give them half
Speaker 2: an year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, benefit of the doubt anyway, because they have experience
Speaker 1: with these kind of things. If something is weird, they
Speaker 1: would know, you know, right. So a lot of these
Speaker 1: ranchers reported these strange cattle mutilations starting in like the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies is when this became a hot item, and
Speaker 1: we talked about you know, Linda Moulton Howe mother moo, yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, she was somebody who actually was one
Speaker 1: of the initial investigators that started the investigations for the
Speaker 1: first time and in nineteen I believe it was in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six in Colorado, and she kind of laid
Speaker 1: the groundwork for this whole thing. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: since then, there's been countless numbers. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine the study came out and they
Speaker 1: estimated at that time there were ten thousand potential cattle
Speaker 1: mulations in the United States alone. And then we talked
Speaker 1: about how it kind of bled over to get it
Speaker 1: bled over, it bled over to other animals like deer
Speaker 1: and horses and other things sheeps, yeah, sheepins. And then
Speaker 1: it was happening all over the world Australia, UK.
Speaker 2: But not Antarctica.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. They have cows there, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know either. The whole thing was just really strange,
Speaker 1: and people talked about UFO encounters. At the same time,
Speaker 1: there was the one story we told about done and
Speaker 1: I think It was in Logan, Utah, where the sheriff's
Speaker 1: deputies had basically started to realize that when there were
Speaker 1: UFO SI called in that shortly after there would be
Speaker 1: cattle mutilations reported. And so they tracked down these black
Speaker 1: helicopters that were at the local airport, and they actually
Speaker 1: surrounded the helicopter and they jumped.
Speaker 5: Out in mass. Sheriff's deputies converged on the airport. When
Speaker 5: they got there, there were three helicopters on the tarmac
Speaker 5: right by a small plane like a lear jet. The
Speaker 5: cop cars came flying in in an attempt to stop
Speaker 5: the plane from taking off. The plane did not divert
Speaker 5: it kept going and because of that, one of the
Speaker 5: sheriff's deputies crashed his car to get out of the
Speaker 5: way so that it wasn't destroyed by the aircraft ticking off. Crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 5: so where do Meanwhile, the other cops are surrounding these
Speaker 5: black helicopters, and they noticed when they pulled up that
Speaker 5: one of the guys got out of the black helicopter
Speaker 5: with a silver briefcase, went up to the plane right
Speaker 5: before it took off and handed it to somebody in
Speaker 5: the cockpit. Then the plane took off, caused the crash
Speaker 5: of the sheriff's deputy, and then the other cops converged
Speaker 5: on the two black helicopters and there was like a
Speaker 5: little bit of a standoff, and the deputy or maybe
Speaker 5: it was even the sheriff basically put his hands on
Speaker 5: the individual in the coveralls and was like basically patting
Speaker 5: him to see if he hadn dog tags or anything,
Speaker 5: thinking it was like some kind of military operation. As
Speaker 5: soon as he did that, people that were in the
Speaker 5: helicopter immediately fixated on him, and he felt like he
Speaker 5: would be killed if he tried to arrest this guy.
Speaker 5: So they basically backed off and let the helicopters take off,
Speaker 5: and then all of the cattle mutilations and all of
Speaker 5: the black helicopter UFO sidings ceased in that area, right,
Speaker 5: They just moved on to somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 1: That's kind of creepy. It's creepy. So there's like all
Speaker 1: this weird stuff around cattle emulations that for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: because I was raised out here in southern Idaho, and
Speaker 1: I would look out this back window that's behind me,
Speaker 1: and I would see cattle in the corrals outside my window.
Speaker 1: I thought, hey, this is the perfect first topic when
Speaker 1: we started our podcast. Yeah, and now we're two years
Speaker 1: in and I thought, you know what, let's revisit this
Speaker 1: because honestly, I haven't been keeping my eyes open for
Speaker 1: any kind of cattle mulations, have you? Not so much?
Speaker 2: No, every time I see something on Facebook every once
Speaker 2: in a while to pop up, or somebody in our
Speaker 2: little Facebook group or something else, you know, mention this
Speaker 2: in a comment or Texas or something like that, but
Speaker 2: I don't really follow it closely.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I mean neither. Do you remember? I think
Speaker 1: we did a recording up in the woods. Yeah, strange
Speaker 1: thing in the woods.
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, and welcome to our nice little campfire in
Speaker 6: the woods.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: This is our fourth episode and our second topic, which
Speaker 7: is something strange, which is something strange in the woods,
Speaker 7: A strange thing in the woods.
Speaker 6: And guess what we're in the woods? We are in
Speaker 6: the woods. Oh, that's what these trees are doing here,
Speaker 6: that's right. We are out in the wilderness up in
Speaker 6: the mountains on Friday the thirteenth, around the campfire by
Speaker 6: a full moon. By a full moon on Friday the thirteenth,
Speaker 6: out of campfire walking at Scotch with Scotch and Irish death. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and talking about a strange thing in the woods, out
Speaker 6: of cell phone range, out in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 6: in the woods, around a campfire, enjoying a barley pop
Speaker 6: or beer. Some people would like to call it. I
Speaker 6: don't think anybody calls it a barley pop.
Speaker 4: Don't you want to head down to the hip of
Speaker 4: a hop, grab a bartypie and get a part? Didn't
Speaker 4: you grab that? He just grabbed him off and was
Speaker 4: attraction by the fire out of thin air with his
Speaker 4: lightning speed hands.
Speaker 1: And we were doing that. And that was right after
Speaker 1: we heard about another outbreak of cattle mutilations in organ
Speaker 1: Do you remember that, I think so.
Speaker 2: And we thought it was kind of weird how we
Speaker 2: just started talking about it, and then next thing we know,
Speaker 2: there's this outbreak of cattle mutilations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because in my mind, you know, everything that had
Speaker 1: occurred around cattle mutilations had happened like the late seventies,
Speaker 1: right when I was a little kid, And so all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when we started talking about this on
Speaker 1: our first three episodes and then in the mainstream news,
Speaker 1: I mean, on the front page of the papers, was
Speaker 1: like an organ three bulls had been mutilated in September
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, crazy and we were we were like, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is weird. Maybe this will make people want to
Speaker 1: really get in and listen to our podcast.
Speaker 2: We summoned, Yeah, yeah, we're.
Speaker 1: In tune with the universe. Who loves beef? I love beef? Me?
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Right, well, we did those episodes and then, you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of just let it slip away. Have you
Speaker 1: done any research, have you heard anything interesting? You know,
Speaker 1: anything that you want to like just throw out there
Speaker 1: into the universe.
Speaker 2: I did. I did a little bit of research on
Speaker 2: some cattle mutilation stories, and oh good. It ended up
Speaker 2: kind of being just like an interesting background story of
Speaker 2: a guy too, not just the the cattle mutilation that
Speaker 2: was interesting. That this whole I thought, this whole story
Speaker 2: was kind of good and hopefully I can use my
Speaker 2: notes good enough to actually tell a good story.
Speaker 1: But is this going to be a dramatic reading.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. It's gonna be a little
Speaker 2: more off the cuff.
Speaker 1: I think, oh dude, this would be like an awesome
Speaker 1: dramatic reading if you could kind of take on the
Speaker 1: persona of a Western cow rancher.
Speaker 2: Tell the story western. I don't know how people from
Speaker 2: the west. Well, you got people from the West, I know.
Speaker 1: Maybe you talk with a little bit of a drawl,
Speaker 1: like maybe you could be from No, that's Louisiana. You
Speaker 1: want to do like Texas. Hey, y'all, I was out
Speaker 1: on the North forty and all of a sudden, Albert
Speaker 1: the Hill came to Ufo and I.
Speaker 2: Saw the South Texas to me, I don't know, like
Speaker 2: a Southern bell like some girl in Georgia. Just a
Speaker 2: Georgia peach, sweet as asshole. That's what you sounded like.
Speaker 1: I sounded, man.
Speaker 2: I picture a guy talking like this, like Sam Elliott.
Speaker 1: The distances aren't getting shorter, Beef for dinner are going far.
Speaker 2: I like Matthew Mcconaugheyhi, I can just tell this whole
Speaker 2: story right now.
Speaker 1: I just tell your story. Maybe don't do the dramatic thing.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do now. You put me
Speaker 2: on a spot guy. Yep, So in May twenty second,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, and Aberdeen, Washington, Aberdeen. That can't be
Speaker 2: too far from where we're at. No, I mean in
Speaker 2: this Western states right within six hundred miles within six
Speaker 2: hundred miles from where we are. As we sit, a
Speaker 2: fellow was born by the name of Brian Lloyd Danielson,
Speaker 2: but he kind of goes by the name Daniel Brian
Speaker 2: as he grows up. And he was kind of, you know, typical,
Speaker 2: kind of Northwest kid. I think his father was a lumberjack,
Speaker 2: and his dad went by the name of Buddy, Buddy Lumberjack,
Speaker 2: you know. But his dad's actual name was Donald.
Speaker 1: Little Leap. I think I'd rather be called Buddy too,
Speaker 1: but yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: They kind of follow his dad's job around like Oregon
Speaker 2: and a couple other places Utah, And eventually, after moving
Speaker 2: to Utah, his parents get a divorce because his father
Speaker 2: was an alcoholic and it wasn't a good family dynamic.
Speaker 2: He had a sister too, so him and his mom
Speaker 2: and his sister moved back to Washington. I think they
Speaker 2: moved right back to Aberdeen where they were from. And uh,
Speaker 2: it sounds like and I'm kind of setting up some credibility.
Speaker 2: It sounds like he was a normal kid in school.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit shy, but he loves sports and
Speaker 2: like track and football and stuff, and he was pretty
Speaker 2: obsessed with wrestling and especially like professional wrestling. And uh,
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of funny because we're talking
Speaker 2: about cattle mutilations. But to kind of help support his
Speaker 2: single mom when he was growing up in high school,
Speaker 2: he actually worked at a McDonald's. Yeah, there's probably a
Speaker 2: little cattle mulation going on at the old.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's kangaroo kangaroo meat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. King room meet's pretty popular,
Speaker 2: I guess because there's a lot of kangaroos, a.
Speaker 1: Lot of McDonald's hamburger's being sold.
Speaker 2: So you know, I've set up. He's a normal dude,
Speaker 2: good at sports, good at school, pretty shy, but he
Speaker 2: works at McDonald's. He's a good guy. He's not like
Speaker 2: some looney tune trailer park boy.
Speaker 1: Right, trailer park, What is it with you in trailer parks?
Speaker 1: What do you have against trader parks other than that
Speaker 1: they're tornado magnets? What's wrong with the trailer park?
Speaker 4: So he, uh, he does.
Speaker 2: He does good in school, and he graduates, and right
Speaker 2: when he graduates, he goes to the how fitting the
Speaker 2: Texas Wrestling Academy in San Antonio, Texas Wrestling he goes
Speaker 2: to a wrestling academy, not.
Speaker 1: Like a wrestler, not a cattle wrestler.
Speaker 2: No, not a not a wrestler, a wrestler.
Speaker 1: He's a wrestler.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he's a wrestler. So so he goes into
Speaker 2: basically an academy to learn how to be proficient in
Speaker 2: wearing weird clothes and.
Speaker 1: Rolling around on other men.
Speaker 2: And uh, he becomes pretty famous pretty quickly. And he
Speaker 2: actually tours with like WWE and all these bigger Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got names like the American Dragon and like cool
Speaker 2: guy names, you know what I'm saying. He becomes pretty famous,
Speaker 2: tours all over the States, Japan. It's kind of known
Speaker 2: for like having these little tight shorty shorts.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, he had a long successful career and was
Speaker 2: known for being like kind of a submission artist, you know,
Speaker 2: like submitting his foes. And he was known for his
Speaker 2: bridging double chicken wing submission.
Speaker 1: How cool is that?
Speaker 2: Sound?
Speaker 1: Sounds pretty good? Cool? Who's that famous jiu jitsu guy?
Speaker 1: Gracy Gracy? Yeah, it's kind of like Gracie.
Speaker 2: I guess so, but kind of okay, but more faker
Speaker 2: because it's w W E stuff. Right, But then this
Speaker 2: is where one fateful night, Daniel Bryan was hanging out
Speaker 2: with a fellow wrestler named CM Punk. I'm assuming that's
Speaker 2: not his real name. Probably it probably goes by the
Speaker 2: name CM punk. And they witness, with hundreds of other people,
Speaker 2: an actual cattle mutilation in progress. What really, Yeah, in progress?
Speaker 2: So CM punk is laying down kind of on his face,
Speaker 2: kind of you know, on his chest.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait a minute, were they outside inside? I mean,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm having all these visuals but
Speaker 1: no descriptions. You're not giving me any information visual I
Speaker 1: don't know a lot.
Speaker 2: Of it, like the description, because there's not I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's a wrestler, not a writer. I'm assuming it was
Speaker 1: inside outside.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they were inside somehow weird A CM punk
Speaker 2: guy's resting kind of face down, like looking at the ground. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: his head's kind of off to the side, I'm assuming
Speaker 2: because he's got.
Speaker 1: To have his head up at some point.
Speaker 2: Okay, and uh and and Brian actually mounts his back
Speaker 2: and hooks both of his arms over his shoulders and
Speaker 2: up under his armpits. Sure, and he's actually kind of
Speaker 2: lifting CM puff up off the ground by over his
Speaker 2: shoulders with his arms and up under his armpits. Then
Speaker 2: Brian does kind of a handstand up on his head,
Speaker 2: flips over backwards and lifts his arches his back up
Speaker 2: kind of like a full nelson, but backwards like a
Speaker 2: sixty nine full nelson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 2: And he's got seeing punk in this submission hold that
Speaker 2: ultimately won him the match, and I believe the title.
Speaker 2: And that move, that bridging double chicken wing is known
Speaker 2: as a cattle mutilation.
Speaker 1: What so so, there is no cattle mulation other than
Speaker 1: the move.
Speaker 2: It's called the move, it's called the cattle mutilation. They
Speaker 2: didn't sentimental to Brian's career.
Speaker 1: They didn't see any cattle mutilation. They just made a
Speaker 1: name up story.
Speaker 2: Watched hundreds of people watched it happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was no cow involved.
Speaker 2: See him punks turned into Hamburger.
Speaker 1: Should known you were going to do a story like that.
Speaker 1: See I let my guard down. I kind of get
Speaker 1: sucked in. I want more visual information because I'm like,
Speaker 1: how is this guy going to see this? And why
Speaker 1: is he on a mat the outside? How did the
Speaker 1: UFO get in there? I mean, what black helicopters, what's
Speaker 1: going on? And then it's just the name of a
Speaker 1: move that he's famous for in professional wrestling.
Speaker 2: He had cool names like Inferno, Dynamic Dragon. He's also
Speaker 2: five foot ten and two and ten pounds. He's a
Speaker 2: pretty stocky boy.
Speaker 1: Well whatever, I'm deflated.
Speaker 4: I tried.
Speaker 2: I tried. I tried to find cattle mutilation information, and
Speaker 2: it's all the same stuff we've talked about.
Speaker 1: It is kind of the same.
Speaker 2: So it's like I wanted to throw in a little zest,
Speaker 2: a little.
Speaker 1: Spice, and it's well, I'm gonna throwing a little zest,
Speaker 1: a little spice spice home. So two years ago we
Speaker 1: had talked about that in the county right here where
Speaker 1: I am in Twin Falls, Io, in Twin Falls County,
Speaker 1: there had been three cows killed and two of them
Speaker 1: had been mutilated in the South Hills. Now, the South
Speaker 1: Hills are just a mire ten miles to the south
Speaker 1: of where I sit. Right now, you can see him
Speaker 1: where you can see it. And I tried to get
Speaker 1: information from the local sheriff's department to find out some
Speaker 1: information and maybe get a hold of the you know,
Speaker 1: the actual police report and maybe some pictures of the mutilations,
Speaker 1: but the investigation was ongoing, so they couldn't give me
Speaker 1: anything until it had been closed. Well, it's still ongoing,
Speaker 1: I checked. So now you're on the watch list right probably,
Speaker 1: so you know, if you want to tie up information,
Speaker 1: just don't close the case.
Speaker 2: I can just I can just picture it right now.
Speaker 2: You walk into that cafeteria place you were talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they're like, what's he doing. He's heading on over
Speaker 2: to the meat stand, the barbecue stand, all right, ten
Speaker 2: for keep an eye on what he orders. He's looking
Speaker 2: at the minion now, sir, all right, is that a
Speaker 2: number ten? What's the number ten? Not the brisket, sir,
Speaker 2: it is the pork ribs. I think we're okay, all right,
Speaker 2: ten to four roll out, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: Well, because there was no new information on that mutilation
Speaker 1: that took place just a mere two years ago, I thought, hey,
Speaker 1: I've got a motorcycle. It's a dual sport. I'll get
Speaker 1: on the trail and i'll buy it on over there
Speaker 1: to the location and where these things actually took place.
Speaker 1: I had the GPS coordinates and I also had Google Maps,
Speaker 1: so I was able to pinpoint where it was, and
Speaker 1: I took off. It took me about an hour hour
Speaker 1: and a half to ride over there. It was a
Speaker 1: terrible road the way I went. I went up over
Speaker 1: the mountain instead of around it, and I found myself
Speaker 1: in the dead center of the location where the cows
Speaker 1: were mutilated, kailed dead center. And what I found was that,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to put pictures up there so you
Speaker 1: can see the kind of the environment that I was in.
Speaker 1: What I found is that that area is totally in
Speaker 1: an dated with open range cattle and it's just an
Speaker 1: open place. It's blm land, and ranchers can take their
Speaker 1: cattle herds up there and they can let them wander
Speaker 1: around and eat the grass and basically they save on
Speaker 1: feed and then when it gets cold about now in November,
Speaker 1: they pull them out and take them to the corrals
Speaker 1: in their ranch. One thing that struck me while I
Speaker 1: was there is that you could put a lot of
Speaker 1: cows in those areas. I mean, it's just vast, it's
Speaker 1: just vast and empty.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: So the access to cattle is just huge, and I
Speaker 1: kind of got wondering about that. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: this wasn't some remote spot where there was a sparse
Speaker 1: population of cows. This is where there were hundreds, maybe
Speaker 1: thousands of cattle out there eating. These mutilations took place
Speaker 1: in the middle of that. That kind of negates the
Speaker 1: possibility that a predator got in the midst of that
Speaker 1: herd into one or two cows out if they would,
Speaker 1: they would take the week, right, Like, if you're a predator,
Speaker 1: you go for the week and injured animal, not to
Speaker 1: find specimens like bulls or you know, fully grown cows.
Speaker 1: And so while I was there, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I took some pictures and then
Speaker 1: came back from home and just chewed on it for
Speaker 1: a while. And then not too long ago, I was
Speaker 1: listening to a podcast and they were talking about cattle
Speaker 1: mutilations a little bit. You know, they touched on it
Speaker 1: in association with this mad cow disease and got me thinking,
Speaker 1: that's kind of why I had talked to you about, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about cattle mulations again, because
Speaker 1: I'd like to steer this conversations toward these weird things
Speaker 1: that might possibly be the impetus or the reason why
Speaker 1: cows are mutilated in the first place.
Speaker 2: So you have nefarious plan in all of this.
Speaker 1: I have a plan, I have a direction we're gonna go.
Speaker 1: But we had some really cool ideas of what cattle
Speaker 1: emulations were when we first started. Do you remember any
Speaker 1: of those, any of those ticking your head?
Speaker 2: Vandalism or like you know, people being mean, slash like
Speaker 2: cultic culture, sacrifices stuff. I think we lumped those two together.
Speaker 2: The other one would be like testing, like government secret
Speaker 2: testing of weapons or environmental health, you know, like nuclear
Speaker 2: bomb and pack I don't know. And then I think
Speaker 2: some of them were just misunderstandings. Yeah, basically the same
Speaker 2: things we said about UFOs.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a.
Speaker 2: Hoax or something. It's a misunderstanding where it's a government
Speaker 2: thing or it's an actual extra supernatural paranormal extraterrestrial type paranormal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's weird. I hadn't thought about that,
Speaker 1: but that's really true. They do kind of line up
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: I do parallel a little bit.
Speaker 1: There's some parallelism which fits. I mean, almost everything we've
Speaker 1: talked about has severe parallelism, paralleloa low parallela, parallel lads, parallelisms,
Speaker 1: parallel parallelisms.
Speaker 2: That's hard to say parallel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well anyway, no matter how you pronounce it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are these things that are similar across the board,
Speaker 1: and most people don't want to think about it. But
Speaker 1: there's something really weird going on. It's not like there
Speaker 1: are one or two things that have happened that people
Speaker 1: kind of you know, build up and like blow out
Speaker 1: of proportionation. We're talking especially since the nineteen seventies. There
Speaker 1: are hundreds of thousands of reports of mutilated cows in
Speaker 1: similar fashion right now. In that same time, there have
Speaker 1: been millions and millions of cattle deaths, natural cattle deaths
Speaker 1: that don't get reported. So once again you're faced with this.
Speaker 1: I guess it's an echotomy. It's an inconvenient fact that
Speaker 1: ranchers and cattle owners aren't reporting deaths that are natural
Speaker 1: as cattle mutilations. They're only reporting the cows that have
Speaker 1: been killed unnaturally. Yeah, weird, weird that have been dissected,
Speaker 1: that have been mutilated. That obviously, there's something extra normal
Speaker 1: about the way these things have happened. Extra normal, extra normal, paranormal,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. And the question is
Speaker 1: what is it and why is it happening? Right now?
Speaker 1: Out of all of those maybe, you know, hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of animals that are reported as mutilated cattle, a
Speaker 1: good percentage of you know, maybe the majority of them
Speaker 1: are explainable.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's that many hundreds of thousands easier reported?
Speaker 1: Easy? If there were? If there were ten thousands in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. Oh, I see in like all times
Speaker 1: in the United States before you know, they were really
Speaker 1: tracking worldwide. Since then, how many are there and how
Speaker 1: many have actually been reported? And how many just people
Speaker 1: don't report because they don't want the hubub that goes
Speaker 1: with it? Yeah, Yeah, So it's a it's it's a
Speaker 1: big deal. It's a weird deal. And the question is
Speaker 1: why and why did this stuff start ramping up around
Speaker 1: you know, the nineteen seventies. What is it? What's the cause?
Speaker 1: Why all of a sudden did then things start to
Speaker 1: take off? And why did people start seeing UFOs in
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies associated with these things and black helicopters
Speaker 1: and other kinds of weird things. Why did they start
Speaker 1: seeing that in the nineteen seventies when really the UFO
Speaker 1: phenomenon started in the nineteen forties, with the late nineteen
Speaker 1: forties with Roswell. So there are these weird connections that
Speaker 1: you kind of stick out.
Speaker 2: So do you think there's a correlation between so you
Speaker 2: have like the sixties and seventies, which what they call
Speaker 2: that the kind of like the time of love or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the love generation, what do they.
Speaker 2: Call that generational?
Speaker 1: The hippie generation in the sixties and seventies.
Speaker 2: Correlation between people having like a little more hallucinogenic, hallucinogenic
Speaker 2: and venturous sexual appetites. That there's this weird cattle mutilation thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows? Who knows? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know your your hypothesis is as good as anybody else's,
Speaker 1: I guess, but it doesn't you know, you your mind
Speaker 1: wants an answer, right, you know? And that the honest
Speaker 1: truth is, since this didn't really go mainstream and it's
Speaker 1: still not mainstream, people just kind of don't even want
Speaker 1: to think about it or even know about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it sounds so gross. Cattle mutilation. What is
Speaker 2: anytime you hear the word mutilation is kind of ikey?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it totally is gross. Okay, So I'd asked
Speaker 1: you what some of the the causes where for this?
Speaker 1: We never finished that you know thought. My favorite, I'm
Speaker 1: going to jump ahead here. My favorite was that is
Speaker 1: that maybe aliens were using cattle as surrogate mothers for
Speaker 1: Bigfoot bodies that were basically a synthetic body that could
Speaker 1: be inhabited by either a spirit, you know, or an alien.
Speaker 2: Right, And I love that. I was gonna mention that,
Speaker 2: but I didn't because I thought we were sticking with
Speaker 2: serious stuff.
Speaker 1: Well I love that. I love that because it kind
Speaker 1: of there is a lot of you know, okay, we're
Speaker 1: not going to Bigfoot yet here, but here's the tie
Speaker 1: into Bigfoot. There's a lot of reports that Bigfoot maybe
Speaker 1: he's like a cow. He's like he's a dumb, big creature,
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, he's not like real flesh and blood.
Speaker 1: He has these tendencies to be able to kind of
Speaker 1: like fade in and fade out of our our dimension
Speaker 1: or time frame, so if like you shoot him, it
Speaker 1: doesn't affect him, you know, whatever it is. There's weird
Speaker 1: stuff about Bigfoot. And then you have the story of
Speaker 1: like the guy who goes out and finds the cow
Speaker 1: that was mutilated and out of it was being born
Speaker 1: a He called it a Bigfoot baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said it has a cow. It was like
Speaker 2: a cow with a man face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, having a you know, basically having a baby sasquatch, right,
Speaker 1: and then he runs back to the house and when
Speaker 1: he comes back the next morning, it's gone. It's all gone.
Speaker 1: I mean that kind of story is awesome. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you want to hear that story, you got to go
Speaker 1: back and listen to our first three episodes. I love
Speaker 1: that stuff. And once we decided to kind of revisit
Speaker 1: this topic, I just did a real cursory search on
Speaker 1: up to date cattle mutilation reports, and you know what's
Speaker 1: really weird. It's like really happening all over the place. Again,
Speaker 1: It's happening all of the United States and in other
Speaker 1: countries too, and it's not like one or two in Oregon.
Speaker 1: Since twenty nineteen, since we did that podcast, there have
Speaker 1: been thirteen reported cattle mulations. That's not including the three
Speaker 1: bowls that we talked about in our initial podcast. In
Speaker 1: Wheeler County there have been I think there's seven cattle
Speaker 1: mulations that have been reported in the same area in
Speaker 1: Wheeler County alone. Now Wheeler County, the Sheriff's Department there
Speaker 1: has a Facebook page and you can go there and
Speaker 1: scroll down and you'll find pictures of these cattle mutilations
Speaker 1: in you know, basically the Sheriff's department is asking for
Speaker 1: help and solving these things. Right, it's weird. And that's
Speaker 1: just in Wheeler County and in other counties. There was
Speaker 1: like another seven in a different county. At the top
Speaker 1: of my head, I don't remember which one, but they
Speaker 1: all have the same telltale science part of the jaw removed,
Speaker 1: ear removed, eyeball gone, genitalia cut off off, teats cut off,
Speaker 1: or the whole utter is removed.
Speaker 2: It's all utterly just removed.
Speaker 1: Utterly disgusting. It's found in locations where they look like
Speaker 1: they've been dropped rather than that they were killed or
Speaker 1: died there. Yeah, there aren't any prints of like predators.
Speaker 1: In fact, predators kind of avoid the animals, like maybe
Speaker 1: there's something about the carcasses that they don't want to
Speaker 1: touch or eat. They know that it smells bad or something.
Speaker 1: There's some kind of weird thing there. And my question
Speaker 1: is why, Well, that's everybody's question. I know, it's a
Speaker 1: great question. That's you know, it shows how smart I
Speaker 1: am that I asked the same question everybody else does
Speaker 1: Why is this going on, Who's doing it? And what's
Speaker 1: the end game? Is there one? Is it for fun?
Speaker 1: Is malicious? Is it satanic colts that are using the
Speaker 1: genitalia for some kind of fertility rites or or some
Speaker 1: kind of hecks that they're going to put on people's
Speaker 1: penis so they can't get any erection and the pleasure
Speaker 1: their girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Or wife very or boyfriend or husband. It's very specific.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to throw things out there, get people
Speaker 1: thinking about things that they shouldn't. So, you know what's
Speaker 1: really weird is you boil the whole thing down to it.
Speaker 1: You know. I was kind of looking for maybe some
Speaker 1: unique story, but the problem is all of the stories
Speaker 1: are strange and they're basically the same. Which is right.
Speaker 1: Rancher goes out in the morning after seeing has heard
Speaker 1: the day before, discovers that his prize bowl or cow
Speaker 1: or you name it is dead and mutilated. That's the story.
Speaker 2: That's the sum of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: So let's with the telltale signs that we've discussedg nauseum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's mutilated. And when I say mutilated, that takes
Speaker 1: in those elements that We've already talked about if it
Speaker 1: was one cow, that's one thing, But we're talking a
Speaker 1: lot of times. It's in the same county, and it's
Speaker 1: happened four or five, six, seven times, and it's enough
Speaker 1: so that the law enforcement is no longer saying, oh,
Speaker 1: this is some kid doing something stupid, or this is
Speaker 1: like some predator kind of thing. But they're obviously seeing
Speaker 1: this batter and they're going, wait, something else is going
Speaker 1: on here? What is it? Please help us? People don't know.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows, So I want to ask the question, what
Speaker 1: is it that nobody knows what is causing these things?
Speaker 1: What are some of the hypotheses of what these are?
Speaker 1: We talked about some of them earlier. Some of them
Speaker 1: are you know, fanciful and fantasyland type of stuff. But
Speaker 1: if we were going to get pragmatic and we were
Speaker 1: going to get really serious and we were going to
Speaker 1: put on our logical brain hats and say, hey, what
Speaker 1: could be causing this and why what could those be?
Speaker 1: Do you have any ideas? I mean, if you were
Speaker 1: going to go logical here and not be you know,
Speaker 1: overly sensational or trying to be you know, weird or
Speaker 1: paranoid or paranormal, what could this be? Just sort out there.
Speaker 2: If you have, I'm gonna stick with my normal thing,
Speaker 2: and it's that it's just nature being nature. The organs
Speaker 2: and all that flesh in the areas that we're talking about,
Speaker 2: the ears, the eyes, those things are first to go
Speaker 2: with scavenger animals, Yeah, that's and predators.
Speaker 1: That's where my brain goes first too.
Speaker 2: But if it's not like a mountain lion, it's not
Speaker 2: gonna cut an incision across the stomach and deballot It's
Speaker 2: gonna kind of rem its way through from the soft area,
Speaker 2: which will be the rear end. So it's not gonna
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be like a cut in a deboweling thing.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be kind of a more gross, vicious And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're a hunter or whatever, there's
Speaker 2: kind of only a few ways animals come apart. So
Speaker 2: you can start at one end and work your way
Speaker 2: to the other side, and it's gonna come apart that
Speaker 2: way pretty easy. Maybe you go backwards, it's not as simple.
Speaker 2: So I think that's kind of what nature does is
Speaker 2: is that's why that's why we do it as hunters.
Speaker 2: And I think that animals do that naturally because that's
Speaker 2: soft going towards the skull and the spine and the neck,
Speaker 2: and that's all hard, so where they work there themselves
Speaker 2: that way, And I think that's what happens. And then
Speaker 2: you you put some fresh meat out in the sun
Speaker 2: for even an hour, and it becomes very viscous and
Speaker 2: like rounded. Everything kind of shrinks because blood, blood flow
Speaker 2: stops and everything.
Speaker 1: So I think that it's an organ and it's moist
Speaker 1: and damp and not hot and rainy. I don't think
Speaker 1: I you know, Okay, so I'm agreen with you. I
Speaker 1: think what you're saying is absolutely true. Let's you say
Speaker 1: it's absolutely true for ninety five percent of the reported
Speaker 1: things that I did.
Speaker 2: I bet that's the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's natural or maybe even there's a little
Speaker 1: nefarious activity. Kids being stupid accidentally kill a cow, go
Speaker 1: out and cut it up. Whatever rain comes and washes
Speaker 1: away the footprints and nobody sees it. The fluids sink
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the body cavity, so you don't notice,
Speaker 1: and it looks like they're, you know, totally devoid of blood,
Speaker 1: which is another yeah, which is another sign that a
Speaker 1: lot of the carcasses have no blood. It's like they've
Speaker 1: been drained of all their blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've let.
Speaker 1: The things that that are also there. That that doesn't
Speaker 1: explain is why are a lot of these animals dropped
Speaker 1: in locations that looks like they've been dropped from the
Speaker 1: air where there's not a really good way for them
Speaker 1: to get there? And uh, and then also why isn't
Speaker 1: there more of the predatory kind of attack on the
Speaker 1: on the carcass.
Speaker 2: That's the one that got me. I was the first
Speaker 2: time we did cattle mutilation episodes. I was just googling
Speaker 2: some cattle mutilation stuff and I think it was sheep
Speaker 2: that were getting mutilated and they found them in trees, yeah,
Speaker 2: she And I thought that was interesting because.
Speaker 1: Someone even on power lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, power line is insane. A sheep or something I
Speaker 2: could say is like a mountain lion because they do
Speaker 2: like drag stuff up in the trees sometimes they Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: a power line. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I know it's weird. It is so weird to see
Speaker 1: those pictures. And if you don't know what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: just google mutilation. It will come up.
Speaker 2: I don't do it with a squeamish stummach no.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of our listeners are going
Speaker 1: to be like, why the heck are you talking about this? So, actually,
Speaker 1: we have an in game where I have an in
Speaker 1: game I've been thinking about this and it ties into
Speaker 1: my current situation. So I'm here in Twin Falls and
Speaker 1: I'm helping my dad who is having memory issues. And
Speaker 1: you know, you can call it dementia, you can call
Speaker 1: it Alzheimer's, you can call it any kind of name,
Speaker 1: but basically, for a lot of people, as they age,
Speaker 1: they cannot remember, and eventually that lack of memory gets
Speaker 1: so bad that they don't remember how to even live
Speaker 1: or eat, and it's terminal. So I'm dealing with that,
Speaker 1: and I found this kind of connection to a possible
Speaker 1: explanation of what cattle emulations are and the situation that
Speaker 1: I find myself in right now in helping my dad
Speaker 1: who's struggling with his memory. And that's a really weird connection,
Speaker 1: it is, And I know it sounds really weird.
Speaker 2: But it's probably honestly one of the most realistic ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think so. I think there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of logic involved and a little bit of conspiracy,
Speaker 1: but maybe not a lot of supernatural or paranormal, which,
Speaker 1: in one sense of the word kind of makes me
Speaker 1: a little bit sad because I'd rather it be something
Speaker 1: right normal and supernatural because I like that stuff. But
Speaker 1: I find it almost, if not more so interesting, right exactly.
Speaker 1: So I thought, you know, let's kind of go that direction.
Speaker 1: We won't get all the way there, and I think
Speaker 1: on the next podcast we'll talk about the connection and
Speaker 1: then maybe even to an episode on on what it's
Speaker 1: like to lose your mind, to lose your memory. I
Speaker 1: think that would be an interesting episode because I know
Speaker 1: there are thousands and thousands of people out there that
Speaker 1: are dealing with this, yeah, and or have family members
Speaker 1: that are dealing with this, and you know, I think
Speaker 1: it would be really interesting to go through that. But that's,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe two episodes down the line. Okay, So
Speaker 1: back to cattle mulations. We're going to start bridging the gap.
Speaker 2: So I see where you're going now, because we've had
Speaker 2: these discussions in your hot tub and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, always good.
Speaker 2: I'm picking up what you're laying down. I'm smelling the
Speaker 2: cow turn they're seeing.
Speaker 1: You're seeing the logic behind my brilliance.
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, because I don't like I don't
Speaker 2: like the cattle mutulation topic.
Speaker 1: It's kind of boring to me, to be honest. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I find it.
Speaker 2: I liked the wrestling part.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's something about the tie in. If
Speaker 1: it was just dead cows, yeah, totally boring. Who cares.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Dealt with a lot of dead
Speaker 1: cows in my life. I remember one time my neighbor
Speaker 1: friend and I that we had a cow that bloated.
Speaker 1: It ate too much grain, that bloated, so it was
Speaker 1: laying out dead. And I don't know if people don't
Speaker 1: know what bloated cows look like. They they're basically the
Speaker 1: internal gases after they die, they kind of swell up
Speaker 1: and they get really big. And we had pocket knives.
Speaker 1: We got this brilliant idea, what if we popped this
Speaker 1: cow because he bowed up, you know, he's big, Like
Speaker 1: it was dead. Yeah, it was dead, yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was like the stomach area had just gotten huge, it
Speaker 1: had blown up, and.
Speaker 2: You're like, experience in this area has been birthday balloons
Speaker 2: full of helium, right, Yeah, kind of like that you're
Speaker 2: waiting for like a or like a pop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we see it out there and you
Speaker 1: you call a rendering service that comes out and picks
Speaker 1: up down animals and they take it and turn it into
Speaker 1: makeup and all the stuff that women love. But at
Speaker 1: the time, it was just waiting for, you know, the
Speaker 1: rendering company to come and pick it up. So it
Speaker 1: was out in the pasture and me and my friend
Speaker 1: we go out. We have pucket knives and we're like, man,
Speaker 1: I wonder if we popped it, what would happen. So
Speaker 1: we finally got it, got the knives and we went over.
Speaker 1: We stabbed this thing.
Speaker 2: These laughing like a weirdo.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: It was so weird because basically, you know, you see
Speaker 1: those those cartoons where something pops in the there's the
Speaker 1: bloom is going like that and it's like flying around
Speaker 1: through the air. Well, the cow didn't fly around. The
Speaker 1: cow flew through the air. No, it didn't, but it
Speaker 1: made the same sound. Yeah, and it was like splurting
Speaker 1: out like oh edit this out, man, Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: most funny. We laughed really really really hard.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You would, you would, I would, But the cow was dead.
Speaker 1: It was it was gross.
Speaker 2: People out there who don't eat meat because of this.
Speaker 1: Well they probably will give us a negative review. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll call them now sixty four were that.
Speaker 2: Might be appropriate name for Paul.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's gross.
Speaker 2: I don't have any dead cow experiences other than I
Speaker 2: went to this restaurant in Utah. I think it was
Speaker 2: called Tiberon huh. And that was the best steak I've
Speaker 2: ever had.
Speaker 1: That was really rare dead cow meat. Oh so good.
Speaker 1: It was good.
Speaker 2: They cleansed my palate with a pineapple ginger homemade sorbet
Speaker 2: yu and it was I mean I could just get
Speaker 2: full off ginger pineapple sorbet.
Speaker 1: Well, if you follow the direction we're going with cattumulation
Speaker 1: and maybe the cause behind it might change your mind
Speaker 1: on eating red meat at all. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: let's just throw it out there. So where we are
Speaker 1: going are these little protein molecules called prions, which is
Speaker 1: a cool name. It's a great name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like something from the Alien series.
Speaker 1: That's right. So I'm not the only one who's thought
Speaker 1: of this. In fact, I got my idea from other
Speaker 1: people who are much smarter and have thought about this
Speaker 1: a lot more than me. There are books about this.
Speaker 1: But what's really different about this line of thinking rather
Speaker 1: than the the surrogate Mother Force sasquatch, is that it
Speaker 1: gives you a practical reason why a government entity would
Speaker 1: go into a clandestine kind of operation to monitor basically
Speaker 1: would be the infection of the American food supply. And
Speaker 1: you know, when I first heard about this, I thought
Speaker 1: it was crazy. I had read a book I think
Speaker 1: it was called Stalking the Herd, written by a guy
Speaker 1: named Christopher O'Brien. So this was written, you know, I think, gosh,
Speaker 1: it was written like ten years ago. So this isn't
Speaker 1: a new thing at all.
Speaker 2: No, I get where you're saying. It's not like a
Speaker 2: brand new thing, these prions because I've been on this
Speaker 2: audible book listening thing lately because of work. If I
Speaker 2: don't have something going on constantly in the back of
Speaker 2: my mind, it kind of gets a little bit monotonous sometimes,
Speaker 2: so I download a lot of audio books and I
Speaker 2: just finished second Jurassic Park series book, The Lost World
Speaker 2: by Michael Crichton. Yeah, and basically, how this Lost world
Speaker 2: can survive with so many predators t rexes and velociraptors
Speaker 2: and stuff. Well, there's so few prey animals and such
Speaker 2: a small area, and they come up with the idea
Speaker 2: that it's because initially on the island, they were feeding
Speaker 2: the animals, even the herbivores, a sheep protein extract, and
Speaker 2: that was causing them to have prions which caused them
Speaker 2: to die early shortly after reading, so that there could
Speaker 2: be a higher number of predators and a lower number
Speaker 2: of prey.
Speaker 1: Oh so like a muscle wasting disease.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably similar to the thing that in the hunting community.
Speaker 2: Chronic wasting disease is a thing that's becoming more and
Speaker 2: more popular, and it's actually in the Idaho Fishing Game
Speaker 2: Handbook and we can go over that in the actual
Speaker 2: pry On episode maybe next episode.
Speaker 1: So they say, basically, you're not supposed to eat those
Speaker 1: animals that you find that have that disease or that
Speaker 1: have symbolings of that disease. I think.
Speaker 2: So they have like big, weird, cloven hoofs looking things
Speaker 2: like kind of like club feet and stuff.
Speaker 1: So, so going back to Michael Crichton, so in the book,
Speaker 1: they allude to the possibility that the way that they
Speaker 1: were able to feed all of the animals that they
Speaker 1: genetically engineered was to introduce this sheep kind of meal,
Speaker 1: protein kind of food so that they could feed these animals.
Speaker 2: Yep. It's basically a sped up ecosystem where instead of
Speaker 2: animals living a long time, they would die quicker, but
Speaker 2: they would kind of like repopulate quicker as well.
Speaker 1: Because they take these down animals, grind them up, and
Speaker 1: feed them to the other animals so that they can know.
Speaker 2: Kind of basically that they were implementing infant animals with
Speaker 2: this protein extract and then letting them free on this
Speaker 2: island called the Lost World. I don't remember if it
Speaker 2: was island New Bar or whatever, but a lot of
Speaker 2: animals in that time period apparently were scavengers, as are
Speaker 2: most animals now I think that are quote unquote predatory,
Speaker 2: but there were these ones called copies that were kind
Speaker 2: of like small, like lizard animals. If you remember the movies, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's the girl that's on the beach and her parents
Speaker 2: are neglectful and they're rich, and then the girl runs
Speaker 2: off screen. Yeah, and they're like ah, and then they
Speaker 2: and then the mean guy gets eaten by them later.
Speaker 2: But in the book, they kind of are like this
Speaker 2: spreading factor. It seems like of this prayon disease, other
Speaker 2: animals that are consuming, like raptors and t rex's that
Speaker 2: are actually predatory. So basically all the animals are spreading
Speaker 2: around continuously this prion disease because it was introduced originally,
Speaker 2: because herbivores breed and spread the disease and compies. The
Speaker 2: little dinosaurs scavenge on it, they spread the disease, and
Speaker 2: raptors and he rex's predatorize these herbi wares that were
Speaker 2: fed this protein spread the disease, and it's continuous.
Speaker 1: It's uncontrollable.
Speaker 2: Maybe I think doctor Malcolm Jeff Goldbloom's character, I think
Speaker 2: he actually alludes to it being the reason that the
Speaker 2: animals are extinct. Yeah, it's pretty interesting just that we're
Speaker 2: talking about I just finished the book a while back.
Speaker 1: Is really really good.
Speaker 2: Well, I love me some dinosaurs though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dinosaurs. Michael Crichton's an awesome author. One thing that
Speaker 1: I find interesting just to kind of make this connection prions,
Speaker 1: cause what in most people would recognize that came around
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties mad cow disease now mad cow
Speaker 1: disease also manifested in sheep in the UK minks, other animals.
Speaker 1: It's been found in deer. It's basically like you were
Speaker 1: talking about this wasting disease that you find in elk
Speaker 1: and deer and wild game. So it's something that's around
Speaker 1: in the environment, and they attribute these conditions, this malady
Speaker 1: to these things, these protein molecules that are abnormal called prions.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of a cool name. There's a reason
Speaker 1: and there's a story behind how that name started. But
Speaker 1: I don't want to jump in it too deep yet
Speaker 1: because right now we're talking about the cattle mulation side
Speaker 1: of it. But what I do want to paint for
Speaker 1: you is that what if, what if there is an
Speaker 1: organization or a deliberate reason why soft tissue and organ
Speaker 1: tissue is being taken from cattle cattle that would be
Speaker 1: normally ingested by the cattle industry and consumers like you
Speaker 1: and I who like t bone steaks or whatever. What
Speaker 1: if there's a more purposeful reason why this is happening.
Speaker 1: What if this is a deliberate way to track some
Speaker 1: kind of malady that you find inside of our beef
Speaker 1: food supply.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't want to get too much in
Speaker 2: the weeds of the whole prayon thing, because we could
Speaker 2: do a whole episode on it. But I know that
Speaker 2: the herd animals are specifically susceptible to this prey on
Speaker 2: infestation because a lot of saliva and feces and yeah,
Speaker 2: urination and stuff is getting transmitted because they are herbivores
Speaker 2: and they eat the same plants, and they eat where
Speaker 2: they sleep, and they sleep where they eat, and they
Speaker 2: poop or they eat. You know, they're just they mingle
Speaker 2: a lot. There's a lot of nose touching, and you know,
Speaker 2: they're both munched on.
Speaker 1: The same leaf or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I know that spreads this particular thing prions, which
Speaker 2: it is a creepy name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a creepy name. And well you have
Speaker 1: that and that's more like in the natural environment out
Speaker 1: of the wilderness, right. But then you have in like
Speaker 1: food circles, you have cows that die, whether down cows,
Speaker 1: whether they you know, it's a they get sick and
Speaker 1: they die or whatever, and they are harvested. They're taken
Speaker 1: to rendering plants. The fats are separated, the talol is
Speaker 1: taken out, things are ground up. Organs are ground up
Speaker 1: and they are introduced into meal, which is then combined
Speaker 1: with other elements, and then it's a fed back into
Speaker 1: the food supply.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is the Jurassic parking we talked about, right
Speaker 2: kind of. Yeah, it's almost like.
Speaker 1: So, and then from there, from there it goes to swine, chicken,
Speaker 1: I mean, you name any kind of protein that you eat,
Speaker 1: even and back into cows. So they use every bit
Speaker 1: of those down cows and it saves millions of dollars
Speaker 1: in feed costs because so there's a monetary gain to
Speaker 1: use those things. But if through that process, we are
Speaker 1: introducing these priyons into our food supply, and you know,
Speaker 1: the cattle that are out on our.
Speaker 2: Ranges, open ranges or in our.
Speaker 1: Pastures or corrals or wherever. If they're out there, they're
Speaker 1: being raised and harvested for meat and sold. What does
Speaker 1: that mean if they're infected with these primes. Maybe they
Speaker 1: don't live enough, live long enough to you know, actually
Speaker 1: develop mad cow disease.
Speaker 2: But maybe the people that consume them do.
Speaker 1: Exactly tying everything back to cattle mulations, they're still going on,
Speaker 1: still happening in some states like Oregon, they're increasing. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why. It's it's still intriguing to me, but
Speaker 1: it's going to be fun to talk about it in
Speaker 1: our next episode, the possible link to that and these
Speaker 1: things that we've been talking about for just a little
Speaker 1: bit called prians, and then I don't know, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: solve something. Maybe we'll you know, just be throwing out
Speaker 1: disinformation like most news channels, but it'll be an interesting
Speaker 1: conversation and it'll be something to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: For now, let's just end it by saying, hey, cattle
Speaker 1: mulations are still going on. They're going strong, baby, and
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and it's happening. And if you want to
Speaker 1: do a little research, just google it. Maybe keep your
Speaker 1: eyes and ears open for anything in the newspapers.
Speaker 2: And send it to us if you see something in
Speaker 2: your area or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you've experienced, definitely let us know. We've loved it,
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, And we don't want to talk
Speaker 1: it to death, and we don't want to go too
Speaker 1: deep into pray on where I love that word pryon.
Speaker 2: It's such a good word. It sounds like Cylon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like it sounds like the battle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: If this is real, it's horrifying and it's not fun,
Speaker 1: but that's part of our next episode exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, next episode, we'll try to maybe do a little
Speaker 2: more research on the exact, you know, definition of PRY,
Speaker 2: on what they do and what they can potentially be
Speaker 2: causing and.
Speaker 6: Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So come back and listen. It'll be informative. It may
Speaker 1: not be true, but it will be interesting.
Speaker 2: It's all conspiracy and it will definitely be a strange thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so join us next time there's some cold drinks and
Speaker 2: some strange conversation.
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