1 00:00:02,399 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Fred Green, host of the Golf Smarter podcast. 2 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:08,279 Over the next few weeks, from the Golf Smarter Archives, 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,279 we're going to feature all of our conversations with Tony Manzoni. 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,519 Tony was an amazing golf instructor who passed away in 5 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:19,160 twenty eighteen. We first met him in twenty ten, and 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,160 every time he was featured on the podcast with us, 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,480 emails flooded in from golfers around the world, with more 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,480 positive feedback than any other teacher we've featured in twenty years. 9 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:33,960 So unless you're new to Golf Smarter or didn't play 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,719 at College of the Desert anytime between the nineteen eighties 11 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:40,119 to the two thousands, you've probably never heard of Tony, 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,840 because we continue to be the only media outlet to 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,200 pay attention to his teachings. We've been replaying these episodes 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,640 for the last few years, and I still get emails 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,479 today reporting on how well you've connected and improved using 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,799 Tony's teaching methods. Tony's book The Lost Fundamental, One Simple 17 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:03,039 Move Better Golf Forever, which was out of print when 18 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:07,280 he passed away, is once again available on Amazon, including 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,319 the Kindle format. Tony's video of the same name was 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,319 also out of circulation when he passed, but can now 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,040 be seen online. If you'd like to gain access, please 22 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:19,719 write to me directly by clicking on the Heyfred button 23 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:23,280 at golfsmarter dot com. To find out more about Tony, 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,680 please visit golfsmarter dot com and click on the Tonymanzoni 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,079 tab at the top of the page. We hope you 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,719 enjoy the journey and know that even if you've heard 27 00:01:31,719 --> 00:01:35,640 these episodes before, you're going to learn something new. Thanks 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,000 so much for your continued support and enjoy the single 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,959 pivot swing Ben Hogan's secret revealed. 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: This is golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers 31 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:52,120 and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,840 for your host, Fred Green. 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,879 Speaker 1: Welcome and thanks for downloading the Golf Smarter podcast. Our 34 00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:02,799 guest today is tony' Manzoni, a very interesting man with 35 00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:08,560 a fascinating career that includes tour player, instructor, college coach, 36 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:15,360 contributing author and co founder of Callaway Impressive. He'll provide 37 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:18,039 us with all the details on that, but most interestingly 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,560 of all, based on years of research and modifications, he's 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,280 unleashed the single pivot swing, which may be the secret 40 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:32,280 to Ben Hogan's amazing ball striking ability. Let's found out more. 41 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:35,120 Shall we Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. 42 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:37,879 Speaker 3: Tony, Hi, Fred, How you doing today. 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Thank you so much for joining us. 44 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,400 You've got an illustrious history in the golf world, and 45 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:47,680 I'm really intrigued about talking to you about where you 46 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:50,680 started and where you are today. You really have done 47 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:52,400 a lot of different things in golf, haven't you. 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,199 Speaker 3: Well, I have. You know, I started my career in 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,719 the Chicago area, well, you know, Chicago and westcon about 50 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:03,919 fifty miles from Chicago and Niperson Country Club, and I 51 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:06,520 you know, kind of made my bones there and went 52 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,000 into the service, came back and worked for worked at 53 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:13,000 Almaden Country Club in San Jose where I lived. Uh 54 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,159 And from that point Ken Venturi, who I knew very well. 55 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,719 Speaker 1: You're talking about Almaden Almendon Country Club in northern California. Yes, 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,000 And to say, okay that Almaden, all right, because all 57 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:25,439 of said we're in Wisconsin and now you're in San Jose. 58 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,599 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, I'm you know, I moved we moved 59 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:31,479 to California, moved to San Jose because I was Chicago 60 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,400 born and got a work. I got a job at 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,439 al Maden and played pretty good golf and turned professional 62 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:43,120 obviously made some you know, made some good scores. I 63 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,400 think I still have the record there at sixty one. 64 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,960 At Almadan, I met Ken Venturi played in a few 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,439 events with him. He taught me to come into the 66 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:55,280 Desert uh Tom Des area. There was a new golf 67 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:58,759 course called Mission Hills opening up, and I worked for 68 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:01,199 Ken as the head perfer national. He was director of golf, 69 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:04,360 but primarily he was with CBS, so we saw him 70 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,240 once a month. During that period of time, I got 71 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,240 an idea because I was training a lot of LPGA 72 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,879 gals and one of them was Sally Little, and I 73 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:16,480 got an idea about playing a mixed team championship where 74 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:19,560 we wanted to play men against women, giving the ladies 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,120 a distance margin. As it turned out, it turned out 76 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,720 to be the Mixed Team Championship. J. C. Pennies was. 77 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: The group that. 78 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 3: I'm trying to say that they sponsored it, and that 79 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,040 was for about sixteen years on ABC. And from that 80 00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:40,160 point in time, I was very interested in golf club 81 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:42,360 design and I got together with a fellow by the 82 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:45,720 name of Richard Parenti and Dick Delacruz, and we started 83 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,079 a company called Hickory Stick and we were selling a 84 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,040 lot of clubs, but we didn't have the capital to 85 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,560 cover the orders. A fellow by name of Edie Callaway 86 00:04:57,639 --> 00:04:59,759 was a member at the Vintage where I had sold 87 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,399 a one hundred and thirty for one of their golf 88 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,519 expos there, and he liked the club. I made a 89 00:05:05,519 --> 00:05:09,879 cold call to him and talked to him into invested 90 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:12,040 in the company, which he did, and. 91 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: That's like the best call you ever made. 92 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: Best call, great cold calls of all time. 93 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 94 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: I talked to him into putting his name on the 95 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,240 We started out as Calloway Hickory Stick Golf Club and 96 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,879 then it went from Calloway Hickory Stick to Callaway Golf 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,839 and the company ended up settling in the Carlsbad area, 98 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,600 which is the heartbeat of all the golf club companies. 99 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:41,800 And from then we went public. And during that period 100 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,399 of time, I decided I wanted to go in a 101 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,360 little different direction. So I had a hunk of money, 102 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,240 didn't want to retire, and when I heard the College 103 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,199 of the Desert, was thinking about a golf academy and 104 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:56,279 they had about a twenty five acre piece of land 105 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,759 and no funding. So through friends of mine and the 106 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,720 help of Greg Norman and a few people that I 107 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,439 knew in the industry, we built a golf driving range 108 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,079 of building in a classroom and it houses a golf 109 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,639 management program. And I hadn't intended to do this for 110 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,519 two or three years. Get it started and let it flourish, 111 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,399 and crazy part about it. This is my twenty fifth year. 112 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,000 I became the golf coach of College of the Desert, 113 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,879 which has been probably one of the most satisfying things 114 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,360 I've ever done in golf. And I mean I'm talking 115 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,399 Callaway and mixed team championship and all that, but to 116 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:33,560 work with these young kids and it changed the direction 117 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:38,120 in their life off the golf course has been the 118 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,839 most rewarding thing and it's what keeps me going just 119 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:45,839 being around these kids. And we have a great record. 120 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:49,240 We won our conference championship twenty three years in a row, 121 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,199 and we won state championship four times under my tutelage, 122 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,360 and so you know, it's all good, it's all real good. 123 00:06:56,399 --> 00:07:00,399 And during that period of time, my passion is teaching golf. 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,519 I played at a decent level. I had my moments 125 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:06,439 in golf, but I really, I really was too interested 126 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,959 in going out at night and chasing skirts and drinking 127 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,439 a few years and I passed that on to my students. 128 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,839 I said, I wasted a pretty good opportunity. So I 129 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,040 use some of the some of the faults in my 130 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:20,120 own life as examples of what not to do. But 131 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,800 golf has always been my passion in instruction. There's nothing 132 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,680 like helping somebody with the golf game and seeing them 133 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:31,680 play much better golf. That's that's way for me. It's 134 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,360 worth more than the money that you get for doing it. 135 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit shocked and stunned, dismayed here. You 136 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:42,600 mean the path to enlightenment and happiness is not lower 137 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:47,759 scores exactly. It's teaching, it's sharing your knowledge with the y. 138 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,079 Speaker 3: It is it really for me, it is. I mean, 139 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:51,879 I'm sure that there are other people that won't agree 140 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:53,240 with that, but for me, it's. 141 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,279 Speaker 1: Been I thought, if we just hit lower scores, we're 142 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:57,439 just going to be happy forever. 143 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,519 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you, even when I shot sixty one, 144 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:02,879 I still blurred it out and I didn't Burdy a 145 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:05,720 par five. I somebody should him slap me in the 146 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,360 head that time. That's just the mindset of all of 147 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:10,000 us when we play golf. We always think we could 148 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,279 have done better anyway. I started studying Ben Hogan because 149 00:08:14,439 --> 00:08:16,839 in my mind, I don't think anyone's ever controlled the 150 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:20,600 ball like Ben Hogan in the past or in the present. 151 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:23,160 And there's no I mean these guys. He could give 152 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,759 strokes to most of these guys. When it comes to 153 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:27,600 pure ball striking, I don't mean scoring, I don't mean putting, 154 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,160 but I mean hitting the ball from tee to green. 155 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,399 And a wave of change has occurred in the golf 156 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:37,120 uh and teaching of golf. At one time, one of 157 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,000 the commonalities of what you saw of a really good 158 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,279 player was his head didn't move. And then pretty soon 159 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:45,600 people start saying, it's okay for your head to move 160 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:47,799 and he can go anywhere it wants to go. Well, 161 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:50,360 your head there's a center point in the golf, so 162 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,320 when you set to the ball, you center yourself to it, 163 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:54,080 and if you move off the ball, you've got to 164 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,000 move back on it. So there's a lot of compensations occurring. 165 00:08:57,279 --> 00:08:59,039 And also I was brought up in the era where 166 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,039 you fan the club open and close it so you 167 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,679 square the club head with the rotation in the arms. 168 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:07,200 But in watching Hogan, especially in his later years, and 169 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:10,159 he didn't really make a lot of film available for 170 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,600 people to see. I read all his books, but nothing 171 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:16,519 in his books said what he did in my estimation, 172 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:19,679 maybe grip and so forth, but he played off the 173 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,960 left side. He played off with one axis. There's two 174 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,080 access points in the swing left leg, right leg. In 175 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:27,080 moving to the right leg, you have to make some 176 00:09:27,159 --> 00:09:29,000 kind of elateral moving back to the left leg and 177 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,200 then rotate around the left leg. And that transitional move 178 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:34,679 is where all the problems happened in the golf swing. 179 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:37,600 And also if you're rolling your arms or crossing your 180 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:39,720 arms over, the club is going to be open a 181 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,399 long time, closed a long time, and square for just 182 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,679 a moment. And the more you practice, the closer you 183 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,360 can get the square more often. But there's still a 184 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:50,120 lot of air involved in that swing. And you can 185 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:52,159 look at all the arms swingers. I can name you 186 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,360 Phil Mickelson, I can name you Tiger Woods, and I 187 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,600 can name you and Dustin Johnson. These are known names 188 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:02,159 and they hit the heck out of the ball. But 189 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,320 they can hit it anywhere in the world. And I 190 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,840 mean they can hit it two fairways. Right. You never 191 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:10,879 saw that in Hogan zero. Okay. Part of that's moving 192 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:13,519 off the ball. The second part is that Hogan learned 193 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:15,639 the square of the golf club with his body rotation. 194 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,240 So he connected the arm as he took it back 195 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,960 across the chest and then rotated the body to square it. 196 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,360 Now the club has stayed square for a real long time. 197 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:27,240 And there is that's to me, is the secret of 198 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,840 hitting the ball properly. You put very little side spin 199 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:33,399 on the ball, so you shot dispersion. You're always going 200 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,480 to push it. You're always going to pull it. That's 201 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,840 just golf. But you won't pull it with a hook 202 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:41,120 or side spin. You won't push it with a slice, 203 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:45,840 So your dispersion gets very narrow. And by rotating your 204 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:50,120 body instead of tilting down and under where you that's 205 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:53,440 where all the spine problems and back problems happen. When 206 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,679 you rotate your body, you can rotate to where your 207 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,399 right shoulder points at the target in your chest has 208 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,519 left the target. Now, I have an eighty six year 209 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:03,240 old man that I teach I've got a lot of 210 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,120 people from the Vintage and Eldorado, which are really fine clothes, 211 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,320 probably the best in the desert, and they come to 212 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,240 me for golf instruction because they like what I'm teaching 213 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,039 and they can hit the ball more solid, more often, 214 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:18,399 because again we don't have any compensations in the motion. 215 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:21,960 We brace up against the left side, rotate the body 216 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,200 and rotate back the other way. Don't have to make 217 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,519 a lateral move, don't have to turn the hands over 218 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,639 in time anything. We just rotate the body. We trapped 219 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:32,039 the club on the left arm on the chest, so 220 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,799 it's a really easy way to play well. During this period, 221 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:42,519 al Barco, a noted writer, interviewed me, and you know 222 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,799 I'm nobody. I'm a guy at a driving range. Well, 223 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:50,679 he liked what I had to say, and he put 224 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,519 about an eight pager in Golf Illustrated magazine and the 225 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,000 response was overwhelming. I got calls from all over about 226 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,559 people wanting telling me, well, I was trying stack until 227 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,840 I could do that, and this really helped me and 228 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:06,120 my back doesn't hurt, and blah blah blah. I talk 229 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,440 with an editor of Golf Illustrated and he said, would 230 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,799 you like to have a golf illustrated, single pivot golf school, 231 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,279 and that's what's going to happen in December, College of 232 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,720 the Desert. I've got al Geiberger, who has followed this process, 233 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,639 likes that it teaches now and plays this way. I 234 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,679 got his son Brian, who's a very very fine player, 235 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,320 a good instructor from Canada by the name of Mike Lyons, 236 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,519 and myself, and we're going to put together a hell 237 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:36,200 of a golf school. And when people walk out of 238 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,759 that school, they're going to know why they hit it right, 239 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:41,159 hit it left, and when the ball spins will know 240 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,879 exactly what. They'll know a simple move to stop it 241 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:45,840 from spinning, and they're going to be able to hit 242 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:48,240 the ball farther than they they've done in their life. 243 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:49,919 And I don't care if they're a young player thinking 244 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,960 about the tour or an old guy that's played and 245 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 he can't get off his right said anymore. He spins 246 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,720 out and slices. Everything will fix all that, and it's 247 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,759 not complicated. I've never believed that the golf swing was 248 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,720 rocket science, but I didn't know that Ben Hogan knew 249 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:07,480 something that other people didn't, and he divulged this in 250 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:11,399 other subsequent books, where he made phrases. He said, well, 251 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:13,799 I'm going to play off my left side from now on. 252 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,240 Lee Trevino said to me, I've never seen anybody play 253 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:18,600 good off their right side. But I said a lot 254 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:20,320 of great players play off their left side. But when 255 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,639 he made that statement to me, I had no idea 256 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,399 what he was talking about. I never realized, because I 257 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,240 know you never stop learning in this game. This is 258 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,799 a school you never graduate from because there's always tweaking. 259 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,080 There's always things that you can glean from other players, 260 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,320 other teachers, and so forth. So I do know one thing. 261 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,840 Tiger Woods is all being taught to play off the 262 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:45,399 left side. Watney just said on television in the last tournament, 263 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,399 I had a great tip. I set up with seventy 264 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,559 percent on my left side. They're all getting back to 265 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,879 stay in the center to the golf ball. It's just 266 00:13:53,919 --> 00:13:56,799 too hard when you're moving that club as fast as 267 00:13:56,799 --> 00:13:58,919 these young people are moving it. It's too hard to 268 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,039 time it with your hands and arms. You've got to 269 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,879 trap it so that you can turn through it and 270 00:14:02,919 --> 00:14:06,519 eliminate the left side. And that's what this does. I 271 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,440 can tell you that I don't care who it is 272 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,519 that's wild with the driver. Fifteen minutes with them if 273 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:13,679 they're especially if they're a good player, a tour player, 274 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:16,759 let's say, fifteen minutes to learn this process. They can 275 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:18,519 hit as hard as they want to, not hit the left. 276 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:24,120 So it's very exciting and it's going to be really worthwhile. 277 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Well, that was an all encompassing answer. You answered every 278 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,600 single question that I didn't even get to ask in 279 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:33,000 your first answer. 280 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: I got go into detail more than that. 281 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: That's what I want to do. I'm going to want 282 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,679 to go into details, but I do need to break 283 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:47,600 for just a moment because Tony, thanks so much for waiting, 284 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:52,360 and let's get back to I don't even know where 285 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:55,080 to go here. I do wanted to ask you about 286 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,639 working at the College of the Desert before we go 287 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,840 back into your golf school, because and then, of course 288 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,360 the single pivot swing. But is the College of the 289 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:09,840 Desert do you cover more than just golf instruction. I mean, 290 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:13,840 there's so many kids today who may not be good 291 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:16,679 enough to get up to the tour, but they love 292 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,480 golf so much that they would like to be involved 293 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:22,720 in the golf industry. Does your program facilitate that. 294 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely. We have a golf management program and we take 295 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:32,919 the kids through turf grass management, golf shop operations, methods 296 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,360 of teaching golf fundamentals and rules of golf, public speaking, 297 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,919 marketing classes. You know, it has a business aspect to it, 298 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,720 it has a general education aspect to it, and then 299 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,159 it has core training aspect to it, which is the 300 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:49,840 core core courses like golf shop operations or methods of 301 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:51,960 teaching golf. So when a student comes out of this 302 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,000 two year program with an AA degree, they can get 303 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,960 into the industry and they get into middle managers very quickly. 304 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:05,399 For instance, in this valley, I've got nine head professionals 305 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,759 that have come out of this program. One of my 306 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,000 students has been in China for fifteen years, and in fact, 307 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,159 I'm leaving the eighteenth of next month to go to 308 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,000 China because we're going to create a linkage of Chinese 309 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,879 students coming to College of the Desert and taking accelerated programs. 310 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,600 And at the same time they're interested in maybe me 311 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:28,440 setting up some golf schools in China. So I'm very 312 00:16:28,679 --> 00:16:31,639 excited about that. But the college program is really a 313 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:36,200 terrific program. You know, the PGA of America has these 314 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:41,600 IgM programs and it's a five year commitment. I kind 315 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,720 of like what we do and what the San Diego 316 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:47,120 career colleges do. You get in and get out two years, 317 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,480 and you certainly have you're not going to be an 318 00:16:50,519 --> 00:16:52,600 expert and no one is coming out of these programs 319 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:54,840 because you have to have the hands on. But that 320 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:57,840 two year commitment, you can get right out into industry 321 00:16:57,919 --> 00:16:59,039 and get going. 322 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: The golf team as well. 323 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 3: Oh, we have a great golf team. We have a 324 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,920 great golf team. I've been coached for I believe it's 325 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,839 now going on nineteen years, and we won our conference 326 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,640 every year. The previous coach, who was a terrific coach, 327 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,920 we had had one in a few more years. So 328 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,640 we're at the twenty third year in a row right now. 329 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,480 And under my coaching, I've won four state championships and 330 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:32,119 a number of what they call regional tournaments. It's been 331 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:34,759 just great working with young people. First of all, they 332 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:38,039 all hit it over three hundred yards. It's crazy. I 333 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:39,720 mean I feel like putting on a taff of address 334 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:42,079 when I play with the boys. So I finally said, okay, 335 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:43,920 I from now on I'm up in the upteas. I 336 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:46,440 swallowed my pride because at one time I could pop 337 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,200 it pretty far. But it's just crazy how far they 338 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:52,519 hit it now. But the problem is that they can 339 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:55,200 hit it anywhere far, and so we try to get 340 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,640 them to understand how they have to manage themselves on 341 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,200 the golf course. And of course anger is one of 342 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,240 the things that comes along with the game, and you 343 00:18:04,319 --> 00:18:06,200 have to have a little fire in your belly to 344 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:08,839 be a competitor, obviously, but you can't let it affects 345 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:11,079 you to the point where it affects your next group 346 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:16,759 of shots. And I being Italian, struggled with that up 347 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,039 until the last week. 348 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: But anyway, sixty that day. 349 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 3: But I do try to to talk to the boys. 350 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,359 You know, in all honesty, these are the things you 351 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,359 can't do and can do it. You don't understand that 352 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,680 you also disrupt other people when you're angry at yourself. 353 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,680 It makes people uncomfortable around you, and it's it's not 354 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:43,000 what the game is supposed to be. But it's gotten 355 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:45,640 to the point where there's so much, so much money 356 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,759 now and all of that, all that fame that's attached 357 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:51,079 to it that I think we've lost a little bit 358 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:54,279 in the transition from the from the days when guys 359 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,240 jumped in unto loppy and drove from tournament to tournament 360 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,759 and didn't make enough money to stay on tour they 361 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:01,799 had to go and take club jobs. But there was 362 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:05,039 something really, something really pure about that period. 363 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: Now, also in that period, that amateur status was very 364 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,079 it was looked upon much differently than it is today. 365 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,039 Even if even if you have an amateur status today, 366 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,920 I mean, does that even exist, Well, I guess it 367 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,400 would for college players, but. 368 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: You know, right, you're right, yeah, I mean there is, 369 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,920 but I think that a lot of people, just like 370 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,839 in other sports, to kind of get around it a bit. 371 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,680 But anyway, that's the college program is It really is 372 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,119 the reason I'm here more than anything else. 373 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,519 Speaker 1: So we've heard about stack until we've heard about single 374 00:19:39,559 --> 00:19:42,920 plane and dual plane swings. Now you want to talk 375 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,200 about these single pivot swing, well. 376 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,759 Speaker 3: There's just you know, sack until I don't. I'm not 377 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:53,079 going to say that they're wrong, it's just a different, 378 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,759 different way of looking at it. I'm basing everything I'm 379 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:01,200 talking about on what I believe who was the best golfer, 380 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,640 and that was Ben Hogan and Ben Hogan his later 381 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,839 years played off his left side, and that just really 382 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,599 means that he eliminated the lateral move in the golf swing. 383 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: I need it, I need it. I'm sorry to interrupt, 384 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,680 but I do need a better understanding, better explanation of 385 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,240 what you mean by playing off the left side. And 386 00:20:17,279 --> 00:20:18,200 I'm standing up. 387 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,759 Speaker 3: Right, okay, when you set up for the golf ball 388 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:24,319 instead of setting up fifty to fifty or even fifty 389 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:28,359 forty being the left side and sixty being the right, 390 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,880 like a lot of people really tilt to the right 391 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,000 when they're going to hit the driver because because they've 392 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,440 been told if they hang back like that, they can 393 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,559 work under and catch the ball on the f swing. 394 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:40,279 And that's true if you're going to rotate your hands 395 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:44,640 and arms. But Hogan's braced up a little left. Now. 396 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,960 He did a little differently than I teach. When he 397 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 took the club back, it looked like he was going 398 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:50,759 to move to the right. But as as the club 399 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:53,359 went back in his rotation, he set up against the 400 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,440 left side. And I've got zillion pictures showing that. And 401 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,920 he set up against the left side because now he's 402 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,000 against him act and all you answer to do is 403 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:04,279 rotate his body. You don't lose any power, trust me. 404 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:07,440 In fact, you gain power, and more importantly, because you 405 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,519 can catch the ball dead square again, you're not moving 406 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,039 away from the golf ball in the backswing. So it's 407 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,599 nothing new. It was done for years by a lot 408 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,799 of players. It just wasn't talked about, and I think 409 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:25,079 a lot of people misinterpret doing it. They said, well, 410 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,759 aren't you reversing your weight shifts, aren't you? And that's 411 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,920 the farthest thing from the truth. The reverse of the 412 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,000 weight shift is when you stand up, you stand up 413 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,160 for the ball and your hip slid underneath you and 414 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,079 your hips go go to the right and your head 415 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,079 is to the left. And then on the downswing, your 416 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:42,240 head goes back and you and your hips go forward 417 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,640 and you're on the right foot. That's how the reverse 418 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,319 of the weight shift. But stay off. Staying on one 419 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,000 axis and then working around that axis is a far 420 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,440 cry from that, and it's I can tell you there's 421 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,799 a lot of naysayers until I have ten minutes with them, 422 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,240 and then that I owe them. 423 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, once you once you can show them and put 424 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,640 the club in their hand and work with them directly. 425 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,000 I'm sure you have much different result than just trying 426 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:08,559 to explain it without the visual. 427 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not an old this is not an 428 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,920 old man's thing. I've got. I've got a couple of 429 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,480 fifteen year olds that are shooting in the sixties and 430 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,559 they beat that ball over three hundred yards at fifteen 431 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,799 years old, and they and they they look at me. 432 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:24,400 And I got one Korean boy and every time he 433 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,720 looks at me as his coach, no side spin. And 434 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:28,599 I just get a big kick out of that. You 435 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,640 know it. It's it's my passion. As you can tell, 436 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,680 I talk too much about it and too fast about it, 437 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,279 but I can't help take notes. 438 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: You're talking so fast. 439 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't help myself. It's because I'm excited about this. Necessarily. 440 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,000 It is a breakthrough and there's no question about it. 441 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: Fabulous. And now for the school. How many days is 442 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:52,880 this school that you're going to be putting on for your. 443 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,039 Speaker 3: Uh, They'll only be There'll only be. It will be 444 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:58,319 a one or two day school each day six hours 445 00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:02,039 of instruction. So it'll be a one day Saturday school 446 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:05,599 and a one day Sunday school. So a person can 447 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,079 come to both day, both schools if they if they 448 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,720 need me, But to be honest with you, if we 449 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:14,759 have you for six hours, you're going to be able 450 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:16,599 to do it, and you're going to be understand why 451 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,200 you do it. We're going to teach you cause and effect. Uh, 452 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,079 And that's very important for someone. And I can promise 453 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,920 you that I will not have anyone that won't be swinging, 454 00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:31,400 and we'll prove it. We're going to film you in 455 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,960 the beginning and film you in the end, and you're 456 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,160 going to see a tremendous change in your setup position 457 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:38,880 and the way you finish. Most people never get to 458 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,279 their left side because it's too far on the right 459 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:43,240 side to ever get there. And we'll get you through 460 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:45,599 the golf ball. And we're not going to say to 461 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,759 you shift your weight. We're going to show you how 462 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,000 to rotate your body and that's going to make your 463 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,559 weight shift and you're going to be in really good 464 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:54,200 balance and you're going to hit the ball hard for 465 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,319 the first time in a while. 466 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: You Know. The thing about a golf school that I've 467 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,799 had difficulty with is that say you get it one 468 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,880 day of instruction or two days at best of instruction, 469 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,079 or three or four, and you go through it and 470 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:15,279 you're like, okay, I got it. Yeah, I understand what 471 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,359 I'm doing now. And then you go home and you 472 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,519 don't get a chance. Now that you've played three days 473 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:22,000 in a row, you've got to catch up back with 474 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:23,440 your life and your work, and you don't get a 475 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:25,160 chance to play for three weeks, and you don't get 476 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,640 a chance to practice for two weeks whatever, and you 477 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,720 go out there and all of a sudden it's all gone. 478 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,759 It's like, now, what did they teach me? Again? And 479 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,519 I find that to be a difficult part about golf 480 00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:38,079 schools that you know, if I'm coming across the country 481 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,079 go to your school, I'm going to lose all this stuff. 482 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,519 How do I retain it? What kind of follow up 483 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,359 do you have to help somebody if they're like, okay, 484 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,720 so I went to your school and I got it 485 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:48,480 and it was great, but now I need some help. 486 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 3: Everyone's going to get a book. Is going to get 487 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,880 a book called The Loss Fundamental, which I've written, and 488 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,599 it will be out before the school starts, and it's 489 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,279 a complete explanation. Also, they will be able to talk 490 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:09,359 to us via email and we can actually if they 491 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,880 tell us what the ball is doing. We can tell 492 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,720 them what they're doing. But we're not basing our instruction 493 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,920 on timing, and that's the key. That's a key issue. 494 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,720 We're not basing that instruction on you going out and 495 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:22,359 hitting four hundred balls a day. We're basing it on 496 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,640 body position. If we can show you where your body 497 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,680 should be on the backswing and on the through swing, 498 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,680 the rest of it is pretty easy. Once you connect 499 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,160 your arms or keep your arms connected to the body, 500 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,400 and of course they're connected. I mean, it sounds almost 501 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,440 insane to say that, but connection in the golf swing 502 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,279 is different than the body being attached to the arm 503 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,240 being attached to the body. Once we show them how 504 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:47,440 connection occurs, and it's a very very simple explanation with 505 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,559 an exercise, they can do it almost instantly, and you 506 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,880 will be able to tell by what the ball does 507 00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,880 if you're connected or disconnected. There is no question about that. 508 00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:00,480 In fact, a good instructor can turn back to the 509 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,079 student and watch the ballflight and he can tell you 510 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,319 physically what you did. It is so simple. So what 511 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,799 the golf our school will be is that this explanation 512 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,359 over and over and over for six hours, and when 513 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,599 you're when you walk away from here, you're going to 514 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,440 be able to do this. It isn't going to be 515 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,559 a matter if you're going to lose it, because we're 516 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,799 not basing it on you having good timing that particular day. 517 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: So the name of your book the Lost Fundamental. What 518 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,000 is there something specific that it is a basic fundamental 519 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,799 that is missing for most people who take construction. 520 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: Well, it's it's playing center to the ball and that's 521 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:43,440 been and that's that's the fundamental that really is lost 522 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,759 because there's so many people teaching to move the weight 523 00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,599 all onto the right leg and then move it back 524 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:49,839 all the way onto the left leg. 525 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: I noticed that when I've taken a lesson, or I've 526 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,960 been given instruction, or even going through a change is 527 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,799 swing change, that the first thing that has happens to 528 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,559 me is that all of a sudden, my rhythm is 529 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,640 all screwed up, my timing I start speeding things up. 530 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,279 Speaker 3: Well, you know, rhythm is a very important aspect, and 531 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,400 you know, with the technology that's happening nowadays. I met 532 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,640 a gentleman by the name of Ted Colwell that has 533 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,200 invented a thing called shot Watch, and it's an amazing 534 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,799 piece of equipment because it monitors your rhythm, and I 535 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,359 think most importantly, it monitors your grip pressure on the 536 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,200 golf handle through impact, which really has a lot to 537 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,079 do with velocity. And it also monitors the time of 538 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,359 the swing. So you can you can take this watch, 539 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,359 put it on. It tells the time, and you spin 540 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,720 it around and turn it backwards on your left hand 541 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,000 if you're right hand a golfer, and go ahead and 542 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:47,519 pop the ball, and it's going to give you these 543 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,359 readouts and you can store these readouts, so a person 544 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,960 practicing can really really when they hit it really well, 545 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,799 they can look at those numbers and say, Okay, that's 546 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:58,240 the numbers I want to get close to. Yeah, I 547 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:00,559 have Ted right here. I'd like to have. 548 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: That would be great. And you know, it's interesting because 549 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:08,440 when Ted first introduced the shot Watch, he came on, 550 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,839 we talked about it on Golf Smarter podcast and there 551 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:16,839 were so many people that, so many listeners who purchased 552 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,200 the shot Watch, and I got great feedback. 553 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 2: Teddy there, Yeah, I'm here, Fred, nice to talk to 554 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,559 you again. 555 00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:26,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great talking to you. Thanks so much for 556 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,519 coming on and sharing this time with Tony. 557 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,319 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a pleasure. I was listening very carefully to 558 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,839 what Tony was having to say because one of the 559 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:41,359 things that we've adopted at the urging of Tony and 560 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,279 consistent with his with his single pivot idea, is our 561 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,359 grip pressure now has an added feature, just to refresh 562 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,319 your memory or for your first time listeners that aren't 563 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,920 familiar with shot watch. We have a pressure plate on 564 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,880 the back of the watch that's very, very sensitive and 565 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,920 it makes contact with the pulse point on the active arm, 566 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:06,920 the left arm for a right handed golfer. Now, when 567 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,880 the arms rotate or the wrist moves, those tendons exert 568 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,400 pressure against that plate and that's what we get our 569 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:20,400 grip pressure readings on. Now, in addition to giving a 570 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,279 reading on the grip pressure throughout the swing plane, which 571 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,559 is the average from takeaway to contact with the ball, 572 00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:33,759 we do a statistical operation on that. On those grip 573 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,519 pressure readings, there's fifty or so of them through the 574 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:41,039 swing and then we give the variation in the grip pressure. 575 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,519 So what that tells the user is that if there's 576 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,200 a large number for the variation, there's a lot of 577 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,000 variation in your grip pressure through your swing, which is 578 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,039 just the opposite of what Tony is talking about, because 579 00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:57,240 that means the arms are rolling over, the wrists are cocking. 580 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,680 You know, the golfer is bearing down at the time 581 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,039 he's he's either breaking his wrists or cocking or making 582 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,240 contact with the ball. That will cause a variation in 583 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,000 the grip pressure instead of as Tony was talking about, 584 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,839 keeping it constant throughout the swing. UH. So we've we've 585 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,279 added that feature UH and we think that's going to 586 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,279 be UH very very helpful in terms of getting people 587 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:24,559 to hit longer and straighter shots. We still have the 588 00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:29,359 other UH swing parameters. We have the swing speed where 589 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,880 where we encourage the use of the instrument to to 590 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,559 UH as a swing speed workout device. Start off hitting slow, 591 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,160 swinging slowly, keep maintaining balance, working on the single pivot 592 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,920 UH and gradually increasing your speed while maintaining your balance 593 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:51,000 and while UH and and and so we you know, 594 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:55,799 we give a digital readout of that speed with one 595 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,559 being slow as ten being fastest, so that like Tony's 596 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:04,359 guys or they're off the charts, they exceed what we 597 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,160 can capture with the shot watch, because as he's saying, 598 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,839 they'll whip that club around at a phenomenal rate in 599 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,559 excess of one hundred and thirty miles an hour. But 600 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,200 for just us mere mortals, you know, we're going to 601 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:20,680 start out. We're going to start out. We're going to 602 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,039 work toward getting that single pivot swing, keeping everything compact 603 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,319 and making good contact with the ball to drive it, 604 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,960 to drive it longer. 605 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: So the shot Watch, you've you've done a lot of 606 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:37,240 work on the shot watch since it initially came out, 607 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,240 and you've made a bunch of changes. Let's talk for 608 00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:43,440 a moment. Clearly shotwatch has a lot of value to 609 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,480 someone at the range to help them get a steady, 610 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,680 a steading pace, a good rhythm rowing. But also and 611 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:54,480 this new concept of grip pressure I think is really 612 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,440 interesting because I know there are times where I find myself, 613 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,039 you know, white knuckling, I'm just skiz in the club 614 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,880 in a pressure situation, and you've really got to learn 615 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,559 to control that. 616 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: Yes you do. And it really does help rad to 617 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,160 have a to have a digital display and represented as 618 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,799 a real number which you can then record, you know, 619 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,319 in your active memory, and then on subsequent swings, say 620 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,839 I got to get that number, whether it's the variation 621 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,640 in the grip pressure number or the absolute number. I've 622 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,799 got to you know, I've got to get that to 623 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,799 where there there aren't these spikes you know in the 624 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,960 in the grip pressure or or a large number in 625 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 the variation read out. 626 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: I would think that it would be really valuable to 627 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,960 have this on the range and and try different swings, 628 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,880 but but gripping it at different pressures intentionally so that 629 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,000 you can see what it feels like, and then you 630 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,400 have a gauge to go, oh, okay, so that's what 631 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,759 it feels like if I'm really squeezing too hard, and 632 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,079 that's if I'm not enough, So you can really get 633 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:01,240 a comparison and then take that with you out on 634 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,599 the course to say, all right, this is the difference 635 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,759 between what it feels like. You know, I got to relax. 636 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:08,119 I can feel that right. 637 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: And where the rubber hits the road is whether the 638 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880 ball goes straight. And and if there's a lot of 639 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,400 variation in the grip pressure, as Tony was saying, you 640 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200 know you're going to slice it and and and because 641 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,119 that you know, uh that bearing down is going to 642 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,599 alter the flight of the ball as much as anything. 643 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,119 And and uh, uh, to go onto the range with 644 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,880 that nice relaxed grip, you know, again to quote Hogan, 645 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,640 you know, uh, just tight enough to keep that club 646 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,440 in your hands, you know. And uh uh and there's 647 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,640 a digital number that uh, you know, depending on the 648 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,359 hand strength of the individual user, that's custom fit. You know. 649 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,119 If it's uh, you know, the number that works for 650 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,160 you is the one you'll commit to memory and the 651 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,839 and and and uh. The device is really uh, it's strong. 652 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,279 Its strength, it's strongest selling point is that it's a 653 00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:02,440 muscle memory advice so important. 654 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: Well, it's great to have you back on the show. 655 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,759 Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Fred. 656 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And and because you had so much success 657 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,239 with Shotwatch the first time that we presented it on 658 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,639 the Golf Smarter podcast, you contacted me again wanting to 659 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,880 do it. And so we've talked about this previously and 660 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:25,159 we've made arrangements for Golf Smarter members to be able 661 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,880 to purchase the shot Watch at your website at a 662 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,320 discounted price. Right and so normally the price for the 663 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,800 shot Watch is one five. Thank you so much for 664 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,400 coming back on the show and bringing Tony along. 665 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: He's absolutely yes. Well, I want to I want to 666 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,960 thank you, Fred, And I also want to thank Tony 667 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,880 because his his advice, you know, he's all his experience 668 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,360 and teaching golf and all the rest of that has 669 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,440 has helped us in the development of the product enormously. 670 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:59,599 And you know, so this is this is a genuinely 671 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:04,599 a team effort and we're delighted to work together with 672 00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,599 with Tony and his and his boys out here great. 673 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: And can I say goodbye to Tony myself? 674 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, here he is. 675 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,119 Speaker 1: Hey friend, Hey, Tony, thank you so much for coming 676 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,320 onto the podcast. And uh, I best of luck with 677 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,159 with this school. And I'm hoping when I come back 678 00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,920 down to the Desert sometime in twenty eleven that we'll 679 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,679 get a chance to meet one another face to face. 680 00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 3: I hope so too. And I hope I didn't give 681 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,199 you any kind of a bad ear here with it 682 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,639 all that time. 683 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,599 Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it. At some point I'm 684 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,360 going to want to be wearing a cap from your 685 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,719 team from College of the Desert Golf team. 686 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 3: That's a given awesome all right. 687 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: Pelp, thank you Tony very much. We'll talk to you again. 688 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 3: Bye bye. 689 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: No