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your support. Alrighty, so, North Carolina's Democratic former governor, my

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good friend Ray aka Roy Cooper apparently quote seriously considering

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a twenty twenty six Senate run against Tom Tillis. Wow. Well,

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with a record of success that Roy has as he does,

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I mean, it just makes sense that he would that

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he would want to share that success with all the

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rest of America, much like Gavin Newsom wants to National

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Review and a piece by Audrey Fahlberg reports, a few

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weeks after leaving office as a two term chief executive

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of a purple state, former Democrat Governor Roy Cooper is

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still weighing a run for GOP Senator Tom Tillis's seat

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in twenty twenty six. This is got Oh my goodness,

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I put this out on Twitter today and like the

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horror that people are responding with, because on the one

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hand Tom Tillis and on the other hand Roy Cooper,

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and so you know, there is an urgency to get

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somebody to knock off Tom Tillis. And by the way,

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if you do that, and I don't know who that

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might be, obviously, you know, I've always said the candidates matter.

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So if you've got somebody in mind that you want

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to see knock off Tom Tillis and they can actually

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do it, that's the other thing. Can they actually do it,

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then you're going to be putting up a non incumbent

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against essentially an incumbent Roy Cooper, unless, of course, I mean,

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we need we do need to keep in mind that

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if say Sherry Beasley decides to get into the race

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and run for US Senate again, I think the Democrat

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Party requirement there is that Ray has to step aside,

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he cannot run. I think that's I think that's the rule.

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I mean, Jeff Jackson did it, remember, and he was

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like time for a woman of color to run for

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the seat. And so he, you know, as a white man,

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stepped aside checking his privilege in all so, I suspect

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that unless like maybe or it doesn't have to be

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Sherry Beasley, it could be some other you know, female

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as American Democrat candidate in the US Senate race, and

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the Democrats, I'm assuming, would not allow Roy Cooper to win. Now,

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I suspect that Roy Cooper will line up all of

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the Democrat machine power brokers way ahead of time, and

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if he is going to get in, nobody else will.

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That's my suspicion. Well, I say that there may be somebody,

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like some also ran from you know, some tiny little

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district somewhere down east or something. They may throw their

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name in the hat or something, But I don't I

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don't foresee, you know, Governor Cooper getting any kind of

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serious challenge in a Democrat primary. And in fact, I

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suspect this kind of news is put out there in

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order to warn others, don't bother right, look for some

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other race, because Roy is going to do this. I

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don't think that you. I don't think that you put

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the word out that he's seriously considering it. If he's

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going to say no, he's of course going to say yes.

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This is what he has been building for you know,

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for a very very long time, and so I have

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no doubt whatsoever. Now the problem for him is not

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going to be obviously in the Democrat primary. He's going

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to get a ton of money from outside interests, right,

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He's going to tap the all of the the out

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of state special interest groups that have been funding his

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campaign since HB two. So he's going to continue to

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suck up that money. I think the problem he may have,

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and that's a big may, is his record. His record,

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which isn't much. He doesn't have a lot. He's going

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to claim credit for Medicaid expansion. Yeah, that's it, Like,

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that's about it. That's the only thing. And he didn't

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even do that himself. That was the Republican legislature that,

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after years and years and years and years of saying

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we're not going to expand Medicaid, went ahead and did

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it based on the promises that the Feds would totally

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keep paying for much of the cost, like ninety ninety

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five percent of the cost of Medicaid reimbursements. So and yeah,

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well we'll see if that actually happens. But the Republicans flipped.

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They did not flip because of Roy. They did not

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cave to Roy Cooper's you know, demands. Over the course

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of eight years, he kept demanding medicaid expansion under Obamacare,

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kept demanding and demanding and demanding. It's not like that

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he wore them down. It became actually a joke among

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Republicans that Roy Cooper cited medicaid expansion as the solution

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to virtually every single problem in the state except hurricane

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recovery efforts that he didn't have an answer for. Actually

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that he didn't do such a such a great job,

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in fact, such a terrible job he did on recovery efforts.

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That Josh Stein, the new governor, or as I call

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him Ray two D two or Roy two D two,

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he I haven't yeah, I haven't figured out what to

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call him yet. And he look so far he seems

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to be. He seems to be doing some good things

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with regard to the western North Carolina recovery, I think,

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and so I am. I'm withholding judgment and a nickname.

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And so Josh Stein got in there much like the

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backlog of the testing of all of the rape kits

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at the State Bureau or the State Lab rather the

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SBI's lab that Roy Cooper claimed he had cleared He

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said he had cleared the backlog when he ran against

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Pat McCrory, because Roy Cooper was the attorney general for

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like sixteen years, ran against Pat McCrory, defeated Pat McCrory.

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McCrory was hitting him over the backlog of untested rape

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kits in the SBI that he oversees as attorney general.

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And he claimed during that campaign that he had cleared

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the backlog, and that was a lie that did not happen.

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And we know that did not happen because when Josh

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Stein became Attorney General, he cleared the backlog. And when

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I say he cleared the backlog, actually the Republican Legislature

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cleared the backlog. So Roy Cooper lied about So he

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can't run on that, although unless he lies again, it's

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going to require a media in North Carolina that holds

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Roy Cooper accountable. And yeah, so there's that, but it's

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more of a national profile race and so maybe we

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get media outlets that come into North Carolina and peel

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away some of this stuff around Roy Cooper much like

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they did with Cal Cunningham. Right, Cal Cunningham, that story

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got broken by what was at the National Post, some

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conservative blog. Yeah, the people whose job it is to

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cover North Carolina politics had no idea that these rumors

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were out there regarding cal Cunningham, much like they had

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no idea that John Edwards was having an affair and

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fathered a child with his mistress. Right, that's why, Uh Brandt,

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what's Oh gosh, what's Clifton? I think it is his

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last name? I forget now, but he runs he runs

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a blog, a North Carolina politics blog, and Daily Haymaker

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is what it's called. And yeah, Brent Clifton. And uh

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he calls Rob Christiansen, formerly of The News and Observer.

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He calls him Rob reel who Christensen? Because reel Hunter

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was the name of John Edwards's mistress. And you know,

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this was the Raleigh press corps that followed John Edwards

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around for like everything he did, and had no idea

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that any of this was happening. No rumors whatsoever, Which

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is weird because somehow or another, I all the way down

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in Charlotte am aware of rumors about various Republican lawmakers

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and candidates and such that are circulated among Democrats. But

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never ever do I ever get rumors of Democrat lawmaker.

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I wonder why that is. I know it's different, all right.

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And people have some thoughts. People have some thoughts about

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my good friend Ray Cooper, former governor, who, according to

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the National Review, I believe this is an exclusive for them.

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Cooper is in communication with the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee

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Senate Democrats campaign arm and is very aware that they

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are interested in recruiting him for the upcoming cycle. A

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source close to Cooper confirms to National Review. The sixty

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seven year old former Attorney general is a veteran of

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North Carolina State legislature, where he jerry mannered the bejeebus

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out of our maps to the point where we got

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sued repeatedly and they had to redraw the maps. And

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he has long but I added that part, by the way,

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just anyway, has long been considered a possible candidate for

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US Senate in twenty twenty six or even the White

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House in twenty twenty eight. That's not a joke, people,

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I'm not no, he has never lost an election and

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is seen as an especially formidable purple state Senate recruit

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in a twenty twenty six cycle with few pickup opportunities

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for Democrats. That's just by the nature of the fact

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that the Senate has six year terms, and so you

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always have this kind of rotation of you know, which

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seats are coming open in certain certain states, you know,

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or red or blue, or you know, toss ups or whatever,

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and so you've got a map that favors the Republicans,

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just like in twenty twenty four, the map for the

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US Senate favored Republicans. They had more a clearer pathway

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to get a majority of the seats, and they did so.

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And so apparently the upcoming twenty twenty six cycle doesn't

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have a lot of opportunities for Democrats to pick up

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new seats and to win back their majority. A twenty

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twenty six Senate run by Cooper would present a major

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electoral challenge for Tom Tillis, the incumbent Republican who is

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expected to attract tough primary and general election competition next cycle.

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So this is what we are going to be presented with.

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I wonder if, like, for well, considering the primary, do

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you think that Roy Cooper's entrance into the race actually

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helped Tom Tillis, maybe not in the general but in

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the primary, because Tillis will be making the argument that

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he would be the most likely, best able candidate to

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defeat Roy Cooper. Remember, Tom Tillis was the guy who

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orchestrated the takeover of the Republican or by the Republicans

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of the General Assembly. He had his PowerPoint. He drove

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all over the state, recruited a boatload of candidates and stuff,

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got all of the the donations and you know, the

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big time donors to fund the effort, and then one

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control of the North Carolina House and that's why he

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became the Speaker of the House. Because of those efforts,

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he is able to raise a lot of money. He's

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got a lot of backers that are maybe not in

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North Carolina, but like Roy Cooper, he has a lot

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of backing from outside of the state too. So, my goodness,

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that would be a that would be a very expensive race.

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National Review reports that Roy Cooper is seriously considering a

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run for the US Senate, challenging Uh probably you know,

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well it's the seat that Tom Tillis holds right now.

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But Tom Tillis has already picked up a challenger in

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a Republican And you know, look, Democrats have long thought

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that the winning formula for this type of a national

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race is a is a white guy in a white

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Democrat dude in a in a southern state. That's that's

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their formula, because you know, they see everything through the

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racial prism, and so it's like, gotta have a white guy,

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you know, Cal Cunningham for example, John Edwards. And that's why,

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you know, they kick around this idea that Roy Cooper

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would be a fantastic nominee for president at some point,

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or maybe Josh Stein when he's done being Gouvna. They

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really like the idea of a southern white male Democrat, uh,

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to run for these national seats. Well, we'll see a

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couple of emails here. John says, I am shocked, shocked.

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I tell you that my good friend Roy may consider

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running for that Senate seat. Nobody saw that coming, right, Yeah, No,

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everybody saw that coming. Well, I don't know why you

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earned a rimshot on that, John, I'm not sure why

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it's not uh oh, there we go. I don't know

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why I didn't work there for you. It's weird. Is

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from Alan Pete. Who to vote for in Tillis versus

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Cooper race comes down to merely a coin toss for me,

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and Joseph says if the choice is between Tom Tillis

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and old Roy Cooper for Senate, then my vote is

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to move to South Carolina. That's Chip says. I seem

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to remember hearing a while back that Cooper's wife was

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not excited about the possibility of moving to Washington, d C.

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And this might play into his political future. May I

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submit j Roy Cooper Stein as a possible name for

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our current governor if he eventually runs true to that's

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a good one, Josh Roy Cooperstein. That's got a ring too.

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I mean it's both, it's a combo of both names.

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Jay Roy. Yeah, that was the rumor. By the way,

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that was a rumor for several years that Roy Cooper's wife,

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I think her name is Kirsten or Kristin anyway, she

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didn't want to go to Washington, d C. But that

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might have changed now that their daughters are older. They've

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gotten married at least. I forget how many daughters he has.

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I think it's two or three. I forget. One of

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them definitely got married. I don't remember what the status

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of the other two are. Not that there's not that

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I'm saying anything about them being married, but just that

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you know, if they're married, they may have relocated for

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work or something, but you know they're they're on they've

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started their lives and this and that. But you know,

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one of the other things a Senate seat means that,

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I mean, what are the senator's work schedules. It's like

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two days a week or something for three months a year,

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so it's not like a huge burden. And Roy could

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just get one of those, you know, one of those

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town homes or something in the DC area and just

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live there with a bunch of other Democrats that just

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travel up there for when they need to be in town.

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And his wife can stay in the Raleigh area. So

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that might be part of the deal too. Right, being

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president is a different thing. Right, you got to be

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up in the White House. You got to live there,

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and you're in the security bubble and your life is

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forever changed. So I don't know if so that might

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still be the case. I don't know, but those were

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the rumors. You are correct, Chip, those were the rumors.

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I don't know if anybody ever got her on the

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record saying one way or the other. John says, the

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original rumor was Roy was going to run in twenty

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twenty two against Ted Bud but Mark Robinson won the

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Lieutenant governor's race and there was no way he was

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going to step down and let Mark be governor if

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he won. I remember that as well. So, you know,

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maybe he missed his window or something. I don't know.

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I think waiting another four years, you know, where he

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could probably amass at least one victory or something that

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he could point to that again, that's going to be

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Roy Cooper's problem is that he may, and again this

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is a big may. He may have to answer for

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some of the biggest failures of his administration that the

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media in North Carolina don't seem interested in pinning on him.

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His COVID response. There's been no post mortem done on

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his response, whether the things he did worked or didn't.

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There's been no analysis of that. It was just, you know,

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he saved lives, he did what he thought was best

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and all this. Did he make any bad decisions? We

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don't know. I think he did. I think that's pretty clear,

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but there's no there's never been any kind of accountability

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for those decisions. And I only say that not to

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smear him or tag him as a failure, although I

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probably totally would do that. But no. The point is,

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so this way, you don't make the mistakes again. You know,

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when Fauci and his China run lab release some other

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toxic brew onto the population, we need to know what

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was the proper response and what wasn't, What states and

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what countries got it right and which ones didn't, so

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we don't make those mistakes again. Then there is email

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or no, sorry not, he already did the emails from

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the Twitter machine. Iron Dad says we have to primary

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Tillis with a real Maga guy. Asap Maga sees Tillis

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as the phony he is. There's no way to unsee it.

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Swing voters will vote Roy if given the choice. In

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my opinion, though the thought of that disgusts me. Right,

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So I don't know. That might not be the case.

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We don't know that. We don't know if the swing

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voters will pick Roy over Tillis or we don't know

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if the swing voters will pick Roy over some MAGA candidate.

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We don't know. That difficult to say. Again, the candidate matters.

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And also, Mark Robinson's not going to be running for

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this seat. That's what he said, So he's not going

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to be running for elected office next year. He made

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that announcement after dropping his lawsuits against CNN and that

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guy that made the music video, the former porn shop employee.

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Drop the lawsuits on that. Dave four dea Yeay says

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Roy Cooper is going to have to answer for his

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failure to help the people of western North Carolina. CP

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in DC says still weighing it. Lol, he knew six

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years ago. Mister, I don't use email. Yeah, that's another

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thing that might come out again, is that he doesn't

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use email. We are supposed to believe he prefers to

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talk in person or over the phone. He never uses email.

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And that's totally not to skirt Foia requests. Foyer requests right.

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Once again, it's wake and Mecklenberg against the rest of

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the state. Tillis is terrible, but no one has stepped

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up to take on the machine. Right Well, like we're

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going to be. If it turns out to be till

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Us versus Cooper, that is going to be quite the

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test of the machines in North Carolina. And they're funding

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from outside interests because there will be a ton of

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money poured into Roy Cooper's campaign. But also tell us

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more transparent. A couple more massages here from the people

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on Twitter. These are repeat tweets in response to thennouncement

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that Roy Cooper is seriously considering a run for Senate

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twenty six. Kim says, the problem is Tom Tillis is

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barely any better. We have a real chance of losing

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this seat to a Democrat, whomever they run. Joshua says

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Roy is like a hemorrhoid that won't go away. That's

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oh my gosh. How have I never seen Hemroy? How

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have I not seen wel? Because he's back now, so

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now it makes more sense. Carry says to run or

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not to run? That is the question modern day Hamlet.

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We all know he's gonna run. Mandy says she'd rather

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have two different choices and based North Carolinian says, good grief.

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Imagine that goober on the national stage. I'm getting a

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lot of emojis of the the smiley face puking, for

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whatever that's worth. And this is our Ramsey who's says,

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I'm pretty sure that this has always been Pooper Scooper's plan.

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Captain Merge says, what a disaster. Unbanned North Carolinian says,

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since we have to hear his plans, please commit to

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sharing how oh this is from Josh Steint. I'll get

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back to that one. We absolutely cannot have Roy Cooper

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representing North Carolina in any way, shape or form ever again,

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says Maggie. He has got a ton to answer for,

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says Andy. There's another puky emoji. If we don't have

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a strong candidate in the primary, we will lose that seat.

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And Carolina Girl says, it's just replacing one Democrat with

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another right So you could tell from the reaction here

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that a lot of Republicans not exactly fans of Tom Tillis.

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Andrew Dunn writing over at long Leaf Politics, he's actually

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now got himself a gig as a contributor to the

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News and Observer and Charlotte Observer opinion pages, trying to

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add a little conservative insight, he says, to an editorial

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that's more liberal than an Ashville drum circle. And so

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in his column, his first column up there, he talks

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about what Tom Tillis needs to do. He says, in

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the interest of full disclosure, he says, I have no

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relationship with Tillis. Andrew Dunn worked for Dan Forrest when

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he was lieutenant governor, worked on that campaign. He's worked

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in politics. He's been a former reporter as well. He says,

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I have no relationship with Tillis. I don't think he's

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a bad guy, and I think the grassroots right is

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a lot harder on him than it should be. However,

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Tillis really doesn't do himself any favors in this regard

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with his campaign strategy. He says, if you want to

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be charitable, you would call him a maverick or a

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bipartisan leader. Unfortunately for him, not many people have that desire.

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The grassroots, they don't have that desire to call them

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those things. The grassroots right calls him a rhino, while

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the left calls him gutless, but neither quite hits the mark.

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That's actually driving Tillis is being a little too comfortable

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in Washington at a time when that's decidedly not what

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North Carolina Republicans are looking for. Tillis I said this

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a couple of years ago, right, the only way this

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gets fixed is if somebody is if enough people, a

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critical mass of people get into office and into power

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who don't care about getting re elected, and they are

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able to take a flamethrower to the place. And that

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is what Donald Trump and his merry band of reformers

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are doing. And that's what's got a lot of the

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establishment types very, very upset the stuff that's coming out

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now about us aid I went over a little bit yesterday,

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and then Democrats yesterday they went down and tried to

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storm the building. Kind of seems insurrectiony, but like that's

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what got them all motivated to do a protest march

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on a government facility. How dare you take away the

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funding for our transgender book clubs in Ecuador? Like that's

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the stuff that that's the stuff that they get really

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riled up about. Tillis and his top consultant, Paul Schumaker

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ran a distinctively old school campaign. Old school meaning raise

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a ton of money, focus group a couple messages, and

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then dump millions of dollars onto TV. It's been plenty

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successful over the last few decades, but the political world

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is changing. Candidates, I did not mean to do that.

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Candidates today have the ability to speak unfiltered to their

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supporters in real time. He says, you have the ability

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to be authentic with your constituents and build meaningful relationships

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with them over a period of years. Tillis does not

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do this at all. His website hasn't even been updated

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since the twenty twenty campaign. So he recommends that, you know, Tillis,

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go out, spend a bunch of money. Don't hoard it

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all now, spend today. Hire a field team, show up

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at every county GOP meeting, make videos and stuff, Send

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them along saying what you're doing for every county, what

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you're doing for them, Send weekly emails, direct to camera,

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videos and stuff telling us what you are doing. All right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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for listening. I could not do the show without your

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