Speaker 1: Well, good morning, happy Saturday. Wherever you are, Episode three
twenty one of Hobby Hotline. I'm joined by Birdie and Chris.
Hey you guys doing today? We're doing good?
Speaker 2: Great World Series game yesterday, good wrestling yesterday. Sorry for
the show today.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Chris, I know you are. What show are you at?
Speaker 3: I'm not at a show. I'm at my son's baseball tournament,
so the first weekend and a bit where I'm hanging
out with the fan. So good to be nearby. But
I'm in a local hotel to chat with you guys.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for joining us. We got people in
the chat room already. Mad City Brew morning. Everyone still
have goosebumps from last night's walk off brand Slam. I
hope people have seen it. If you haven't, right after
the show, go see the report. Good morning, Happy Saturday,
Good Dodgers, Good morning, Able Vintage card Collector, Hey guys,
Billy Joe, Good morning, Reub and Danny looking like he's
in a hostage video. Danny is in a hostage video.
Danny is helping take care of his dad, so we
all jump in where we have to. Good morning, Michael Rex,
Good morning, Yes the sports car Shop Michigan and Indiana.
We're on the big screens. Thank you, foul ball, Good
morning again, Good morning, Happy Saturdays. E all right, so
let's start talking about last night. I guess it was
a pretty good game. What would you say, does this
compare to Kirk Gibson or is it too early in
the series.
Speaker 3: Chris, You know, I was actually at the USC football
game last night. A good hack for you is when
there's a lot of activities in the same town, take
the take.
Speaker 4: You know you're going to get cheaper tickets.
Speaker 3: So we got tickets it would normally be one hundred
and fifty bucks for thirty bucks.
Speaker 4: Because there was the.
Speaker 3: Laker game, there was the Clipper game, there was the
World Series, and then USC football.
Speaker 4: Happen to be playing on Friday night.
Speaker 3: So I took my two boys and it was wild
because the stadium was about three fourths fool but they
were telling the score kind of throughout. But all of
a sudden, you hear this cheering and it started off
in this section over here that it slowly started to
go around and people are like, what's happening, what's going on?
Freddy Freeman hit a grand slam and my son was
trying to keep up with a game, you know, but
it's hard with the Wi Fi. So we was tied
in the tenth. Then that happened, and it was kind
of crazy how the colisseum exploded when they heard that
the Dodgers wasn't that way. So it was really different
and kind of cool. But what about you, Bertie? Were
you where were you watching?
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great game, and I love
it's a lot of the same contributors. Stanton with the
two run homer to give the Yankees the lead early
and then excuse me, the Yankees decision to walk Mookie Bets.
I don't love it. I said it right away. I'm like,
just face Mookie Bets. I know it's alrighty. But Freddie
Freeman going into that bat was nine to fourteen in
his career against lefties with the bases load. Bit I
don't know. And that's their Cortes, his starter. He throws
two pitches and they're both fastball down the middle.
Speaker 1: Mookie says, Gibson was such an improbable home run off,
the best closer of his generation and the prohibitive favorite
a's Freddy was so amazing. But given Ghibbey was more iconic, Broty,
who do you think is the favorite in the series.
Speaker 2: I still like the Yankees to win the World Series
because I think they have a better complete team and
the Dodgers are short on pitching. They only have three
starters on their World Series roster had to leave off
Evan Phillips as well, one of their best closers. I
think the Yankees are just more complete. But either way,
I think the series goes seven games.
Speaker 1: Chris, Here's you're who you're taking?
Speaker 3: Well, I I My my main team is the Padres.
My second favorite team is whoever's playing the Dodgers, and
so that turns out to be the Yankees, And so
oddly I'm a Yankees fan this week. But it was
I will say, you know, Kirk Gibson was his moment
was iconic. But the story, the story behind Freddy Freeman
and his son and and his injury, you know, during
this postseason and then to come back and do that
is that's that's Hollywood movie script right there. We haven't
even seen the end. So it was an amazing Hollywood
start to this series.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I think a lot of people
root for Freddie Freedman I think it was. It was
if you know the background of how he ended up
with the Dodgers, his agent really uh overplayed the hand
with the Braves, and before he knew what happened, Matt
Olsen was a Brave and he was a Dodger and
he didn't really want to leave Atlanta at first. Uh.
So to see him come full circle uh and and
really be a hero and and really embrace living there,
I just think it is a cool. Uh cool for
it to work out for him and to come full
circle that way. And Chris, I'm like you, I root
for whoever's playing the Yankees, so uh.
Speaker 3: Let's yeah, we're diametrically opposed, but for for fun reasons.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I like the Padre so I wish they
I wish they were in it all right. Uh, Mookie
is fantastic. I think Mookie Betts is a great representative
of the game. Uh. He should do a motivational poster.
Uh able, great story. He was at a musical and
the game ended during intermission, so we got to see
the video via the home run tweet. That's awesome. Larry
good Morning saw Larry last night. Also loved the guys
in the Night show in the Morning Show, Toddy Kapakov
fifty to fifty with a title would be epic. Brodie,
how much would that enhance his already crazy reputation in
the hobby a lot?
Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, because of his crazy season
and the fact that it would be his first World
Series title and really his first chance at a World Series,
that would be amazing. It'd be one of the best
seasons we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Really, Chris, do you think baseball players need World Series
as much as let's say, basketball players or football quarterbacks
to define their legacy.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You have those magical moments, right, Like my dad still
has Ralph rank autograph from the World Series moments.
Speaker 4: World series moments can really define you. So yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to have the Super Bowl titles,
you've got to have the NBA titles, but you have
a World Series moment like Freddy Freeman had last night
that lasts.
Speaker 4: A long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think his cards simply, you know, have more value.
Chris when something like this happens, do submissions go up
for that player?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, It's a lot like tops now stuff, you know,
like when you see the big population runs on certain
tops now cards. It's just because the collector interest is there,
and then after the moment, you know, kind of wears off,
or if that team's eliminated and laid round, it drops
off a cliff sometimes so depending on the athlete. But yeah,
moments are are They definitely trigger more submissions for greating
companies for sure.
Speaker 1: Broty, what was your thought of Freddy Freeman before and after?
Did it change it all?
Speaker 2: I mean, he created an iconic moment, but at the
same time, he is a lock of being a Hall
of Famer. He had amazing career in Atlanta and he's
over here in La doing pretty much the same thing,
and he's done it for so much time out he's
a Hall of Famer and he's adding this World Series
legacy to it.
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: He says. Seeing the fan seeing the fans going crazy
in Japan was pretty cool. Global eyeballs in this World Series.
I think we have to agree with that this game
last night was such a positive representation of the sport
around the world. There's nothing you can do from a
corporate standpoint that would surpass, you know, something like this
happening naturally. Rex says championships matter much to a baseball
player's legacy much less than they do to football and
basketball players. Not sure why that's what I was getting
at before. I seem to feel, you know, maybe it's
the Ernie Banks syndrome, or you know, reluctantly, I'll admit
Don maddingly I thought was a great player. I wonder
if they need this is a great analogy. Puckets Homer
in ninety one Game six was pretty iconic too. What's up, Keidan,
how are you doing? Hey?
Speaker 3: One thing, Danny going back to seeing the fans in Japan.
Speaker 4: The game of baseball really is a global game.
Speaker 3: Now and having representatives from Korea, from Japan, you know,
from all over the place, and the World Baseball Classic
is one of my favorite events. I think it's just
cool to see all the nations compete and oh, I
didn't know that guy was from this country, you know.
But we my family started off the year in Korea
watching the Padres and Dodgers started.
Speaker 4: It was such a cool experience.
Speaker 3: We're going to go to the Tokyo Dodgers Cubs game
to kick it off next year, so we're going to
be Cubs fans that that series. But seeing baseball in
a different country, even if it's Toronto, is really exciting,
fun different to see the way that different fans experience it,
the different chants, different music, the different traditions. It's it's awesome.
So do you ever get the chance to do a
baseball vacation. I can't recommend it highly.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned the World Baseball Closet because
if you can't get abroad. I was able to go
to one of the games this year or last year,
I guess already, and it was outstanding. You're exactly right, Chris.
The vibe, the culture, the music. I'm not sure a
person in the stadium sat where their ticket said. You know,
everybody just sort of walked in and had a party.
It was. It was a great time. So definitely, I'm
glad you gave that a shout out. Keating says memories
are meant to be sold now. I guess that's the
Tops Now comment. Bertie, do you do you like the
Tops Noil concept or is it manufactured literally manufactured?
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, I'm torn on it. I love the
concept that I mean, I've bought tops Now for a while,
but I don't love the autograph. Chase necessarily, but I
had a different conversation. I love that to capture at
the moment of what's happened in a moment, like Freddy
hitting that home or yesterday, it's a cool card to have.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump slightly out of order, but there is
a tops Now for Bronni and lebron that came out
this week with the one to one dual autograph chase.
It's a cool card I personally, and I want to
see how you guys feel that that the Bronny story
is a nice story, but he's not Ken Griffy June.
He's not the superstar and his dad, you know, is
the main player in this in this you thing. So Chris,
is this is this tops Now one that you would
go after or maybe some of the other ones that've happened.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because I normally do fall for the chase,
you know, whether it be the triptograph or or something
with show hey, like, I will buy those because I'm like, oh,
you know, maybe you know, And I've pulled some autographs
out of time snow cards, which is pas which is
just it's so exciting. I love that they do the
chase on those but if you're right, like I fall
for the moment, like I get all excited about the moment,
I buy it, and then three weeks later, I've I've
moved on to something else.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I forgot I even bought this. But but
it is.
Speaker 3: Cool, like it's it is a nice way to capture
the moments, and especially if it's a game you were
at or someone so a game you were totally invested in,
or you know a friend who is totally invested in it.
And I buy a lot of Topsnout cards as gifts
for people, even joke ones if their team loss.
Speaker 4: So it's uh, I don't know, it's kind of fun,
but no I did.
Speaker 3: I was close to dropping the hammer on the Bronnie card,
but I was like, you know, I'm kind of like you.
I just I don't believe enough in Bronnie unfortunately to
to seek more in there. So I lost a bit
on Bronnie. So I'm I'm I'm just like, ah, I've
been burned a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna walk away, Bertie.
Speaker 1: They're talking about maybe moving Browny between the NBA and
Developmental g League. Is the pressure on him unfair? Is
he being treated like other guys with his talent, or
has it just gotten ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just kind of got ridiculous. Like
the moment with him and Lebron was cool. But at
the end of the day, if you really sit back
and look at it, if Lebron wasn't his dad, he's
probably still USC. But I mean that's just the facts,
pretty much like he didn't do anything absolutely insane at
USC to get drafted, But it was still a really
cool moment, and I think Lebron talked about it hit
him being on the two way roster. I think it's
just better for his development. So if he does end
up being a really good player, I think we'll see
that within the next few years and the potential he
actually does have, so I think it's a smart move.
Speaker 1: Quick comment from Bell he loves the Lebron and Bronne story.
Bronni's no Griphy Junior, Griffy was no Lebron. I guess
that's a fair comment, but I'll still take Griffy Senior's
career so far over Brownie's all very good. Yeah, Griffy
Senior I think is a little bit underrated because of
his son Griffy Senior had a nice career. Tops Now
is real time. Technically, yes, Tops can release those cards
through flagship products the following year. Well, that would be interesting.
Would you be more inclined or less inclined to chase
a card if it was in the regular release Brody
versus being a Tops Now purchase.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it'd be kind of cool on flagship.
But I think TOPS has kind of done similar type things,
Like I think in Series one there was like an
answer called like twenty twenty three's Greatest Hits, so like
recapturing some of those moments for twenty twenty three that
were huge. So I think it's they're kind of doing
similar things in the flagship of Chris.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the the all manufacturers try to chronicle
the season, but it's more relevant when it's in season,
and that's why all manufactured have also moved to these
these game did and moments tops Now you know those
types of things. So it's it's the league's almost demand
that you have things that accentuate what the positives are
and having items available real time, Like after a team
wins Super Bowl, you're gonna the first commercial You're going
to see is come by this schwag, so it's it's
almost a league mandate that these products exist.
Speaker 4: But it's good, Like I'm I'm for it.
Speaker 3: And one thing I really like about tops Now is,
you know, it's it's not done on the full run of.
Speaker 4: Other larger revenue products.
Speaker 3: So I've personally found the quality to be really good
because I think they're for the for the vast majority,
they're doing smaller runs, so it feels like the qualities there.
Speaker 4: They grade really really well.
Speaker 3: I think I've had two tops Now cards get a nine,
so I've been really impressed with for quality as well.
Speaker 1: Somebody described it as small craft beer that you have
somebody paying a little bit more into, and you know
it's more of a passion project for the specific moment.
John Keating, I want to give a fair shot too
because I agree with some of this. One of his
bugaboos is the non organic nature of today's moments. Brownie's
entire pro career is manufactured. His draft is making the roster,
the announcement and timing of the G League stuff. I
can't disagree with all that. It does feel like it
was amazing that he ended up on the Lakers, it's
amazing that everything fell just into place for the story.
I'm not saying that that this is Patrick Ewing with
the Knicks, but it's interesting to say the least. Okay,
I just want to make sure I'm caught up on
all the comments here. Great chat room. So I do
want to talk about the Otani ball because people brought
that up. I just saw the comment somebody would rather
have the Freddy Freeman ball over the Otani ball, and
I thought that was an interesting comment. I wanted to
talk about the Otani ball in general, but I also
wanted to talk about the fact that new memorabilia keeps
setting records. So this this record is eventually going to
be passed. And the question is is what type of
ball or what ball would set a record, you know,
higher than this Chris Carlin if he goes sixty sixty
next year, you know, is this ball already devalued.
Speaker 3: I can't believe what that ball went for. I had
a lot of people asking me in the beginning what
I thought it would go for. I said maybe one
point five to two million. It's shocking that it went
for that much.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't think it's.
Speaker 3: Going to be worth that, and in the even the
coming years, it'll be I see it being like a
Mark McGuire type dip because they're remember bases are bigger,
there's going to be more of those stolen based type records,
and who knows what's going to happen in the future.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just don't see that being anywhere near what it's
sold for myself personally, not the company.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: I was shocked, So I can see other balls going
for that much. But again it was He's he's a
global story. He's not just you know, it's not like
Lebron James doing something and getting the jersey off his
back after game.
Speaker 4: It's show hey, is next level.
Speaker 3: So I don't know who bought it, and I think
there's a lot of interest in who about it or
you know what group may have bought it as well
as something that's been talked about, So it'll be interesting
to see if anyone shares that. But I thought it
was an astronomical I'm not to spend for that.
Speaker 1: Baseball Golden did their Friday dump. It was a Taiwanese investment.
Speaker 4: Oh cool, yeah, yeah group that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at that price. It makes a lot. Brody, I
know you finished second in the bidding. Uh, since you
didn't get it. What what ball or what piece of
memorabilia in the future, do you think it's gonna past.
Speaker 2: That they'd have to break the home run record for
a season or lifetime. I think because I just I
agree with Chris. I don't think stolen bases not they
don't matter anymore, but it's easier to steal bases. Elie
daily cruise, that's our chase for twenty twenty four. He
quietly had like sixty sixty five stolen bases somewhere around
there during this twy fifty to fifty year and he
had like twenty five homers as well. So it's not
if you're a fast guy, with those that base being
so much bigger, you're gonna steal a lot basis.
Speaker 1: This is This is an interesting one. The Buckner balls
sold for four hundred twelve years would go for millions today.
The anniversary of the Bill Buckner play I believe was
actually yesterday, if I have that correct, So good timing
on that one, to that end.
Speaker 3: To that end, Danny, it's really interesting what MLP has
done with authentication you know they have done it. They
have been the category leader in it with regard to
making sure that meaningful items are tagged serial numbers after
they've been I'm very active in the MLB auctions in
their auctions because you can get items right from meaningful events,
whether it be the name print plate from a locker
to a base to game used jerseys, helmets, batting gloves, cleats, everything,
So they do a tremendous job with that collect I
think just recently did a feature on the MLB authentication process,
but it's showing other leagues the value of this and
what if the Buckner ball would have had a hologram
number and CoA on it and had been marketed through mlby.
They finally are starting to crack the value tied to
their assets. And it's it's cool as a collector to
see because it gives me easier access to some of
these really cool items that you usually used to back
then Bucknery era. You know, you would have had to
know someone or known an equipment manager or what have you.
So it's cool to see that we all now kind
of have access through through that.
Speaker 1: And if you ever go to a ball game and
you wonder who the guy is at the end of
the dugout, who they keep rolling the balls to, who's
making notes. Literally almost every ball that comes out of
play is now document. I know, the Baltimore Orioles, I
want to say in the sixth or seventh inning, actually
starts selling the baseballs from the beginning of the game,
and every one of them is documented. Every one of
them's numbered hologram and you can track it. So if
you go to your first game ever, you can actually
get a ball that was used in that game. If
you have a favorite player, you can get a ball
that they got hit from. So Chris to your point,
the big stuff and the little stuff at MLB, I
think is doing a great job on that. How can
I get that job? That's that's that's a good questionable.
We'd all love to send the dugout.
Speaker 4: If it doesn't pay a lot. But the French benefits
are you.
Speaker 1: Know, just hanging out in the dugout, you know, just
like my office. See this this is just like just
like where I were. You said, the home run record
for the new ball, do you think it could be
a historic piece like the Kurt Gibson if somebody had
has that ball or you know the Babe Ruth called
shot ball, if that were, you know, to come around
or something like that. Do you think it could be
historic or do you think it would be something in
the moment.
Speaker 2: I think it's more something in the moment, because I
think there's not that many records in baseball. There's some,
but there's not that many records that I don't think
are never going to get broken. So I think it's
more about the moment, like and eventually somebody might just
break it.
Speaker 1: Chris, after the Atani ball goes from four point four million,
just out of curiosity, where does that Freddie Freeman ball
go for if it sells in the next couple of days,
I mean a million, right.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna take the Dodgers obviously have to
win to have legs, but that could be one of
the defining moments for sure. So yeah, but it's contingent,
I think on the Dodgers winning. Otherwise it's a it's
a nice moment from a loss, which is wild. You know,
it shows you it could double the value of the
ball by by the Dodgers, So I was just kind
of have to see, but I would I was so
off on the Otani.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to make a guess, you know,
so who knows what's going on. It's cuckoo out there
right now.
Speaker 3: You think you don't see these prices when the economy
is kind of struggling like this, But there it is.
Speaker 4: So it's wild.
Speaker 1: John Keating says the Aaron home run ball should be
the highest value ball. That was a pretty big deal.
What would that go forward to? I mean, Brody, I mean,
how much does that pass the Otani ball by? If
you have the Hank Aaron homerun ball would double it?
Am I crazy?
Speaker 2: Maybe? I think maybe?
Speaker 1: I mean I am crazy. But about the.
Speaker 2: Price, yeah, I think it definitely is close. And it's
a store ball I give him. Maybe that's probab a
big ball. Well that's the thing too, if Freddy, if
that home run is in Game seven, that's worth more
than tiny ball. I feel like that's a good happened
in Game seven.
Speaker 1: And that was the Joe Carter Harme run, right, So
you know, I don't know about the Toronto memorabilia market
versus the LA Dodgers, but you know, let's just imagine
for a second that show he hits that ball in
game seven. Okay, for the record, Keating, I have a
beautiful forehead and it's not crazy not to wear a
hat today. The Barman ball was blown up? What would
that sell for? That was one in the moment Chris
that I feel like, had, you know, all all the
publicity and everything, and then it was I mean, I
don't think there's ever been a trending story that died
out quicker Well.
Speaker 3: I remember the National where I forget who the company was,
but I think they offered him two hundred and fifty
dollars to show up and sign on, just to show up,
I think, and and he didn't, But there was all
this a quiet interests throughout that show if he might
pop in and claim that that money. But yeah, I
think if you would have sold the Department ball right
after the Cubs won the World Series. So much of
these sales is timing related. If show, hey, if the
Putters would have beat the Dodgers, I think that. I
think that ball is a two million, two million and
a half ball. But the fact that he's still going strong.
He had a strong series against the Mets just right
when it was right when the auction was was capping off,
I think that all factors in So we talked about
the real time effect of tops now, but if your
player is playing during an auction and performing at a
high level, your item is going to sell for more.
Speaker 4: It just does.
Speaker 3: So I think it was a kind of a perfect
storm of factors that the fifty to fifty had never
happened before. Show he's playing well in the playoffs, excitement,
and you know, big market team. You know, if it
was the Angels versus the Dodgers, it's it's again that
ball's value is not the same. If you had have
done this with the Angels, it would not be a
four over a four million dollar ball. It would probably
be two million dollars. So, uh, it's wild. It's wild
to see what when all these factors can contribute to
the overall price of a collectible.
Speaker 1: So how far is the drive from Dodgers Stadium to
the Angel Stadium?
Speaker 4: Half an hour?
Speaker 3: It really Angels are really Anaheim, but they grab that
LA to try to make themselves marketable in a bigger market.
Speaker 1: So it's a thirty minute drive and probably a million
and a half dollars on the ball. Yeah, I mean
that cracks me out. John Cating going crazy I'm not
going to get to all of it. A lot of
people making the point here that the older stuff, uh
is going to be more valuable. Everything's timing related. I
definitely agree with that. Now, this is an interesting one.
The bright last touchdown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw that in chat. That was a good point, Brody.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you worry about if you're spending this
type of money that something's gonna happen and all of
a sudden you don't have what you think you have
for the record breaks? I mean, does that scare you
just to be involved?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean kind of, especially since there was so
all sorts of rumblings that Brady was gonna come back again.
But I want to back off Chris's point, like, what
if the Dodgers losing five games like that Freddie ball,
So it's a moment still, but it's not if they
win in four games, it's kind of a way different price.
I feel like for that ball.
Speaker 1: So do you put it on eBay tonight or do
you risk it for a week and see if they win?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a die hard Dodgers fan, I'd
keep it, but if you need the money, But like
I feel like, if you were at that game, either
a die hard Dodgers fan or a die hard baseball fan,
you probably want that ball.
Speaker 4: I would have. I would have flown to Ken Golden's
house last night.
Speaker 3: If I the ball, I just get it done man
quick as he can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with the thing. That's definitely what I definitely
what I would do. Just sort of saying that this
was a timeline investment group. They aren't worried in the money.
I think they actually said they're going to try to
put it on display around Asia so hopefully people get
to see, uh see it all right, John, I said,
it wasn't gonna put you up anymore. I feel like
two weeks to me, I know, and we'll remember game one.
It depends what happens in the next couple of games. Yeah,
you know, if if the Dodgers going to win and
this is defined the series, then then it's a whole
different story than like Brodie said, if if if the
Yankees winning five, uh this this ball will be buried.
Speaker 3: It feels like, though, how evenly matched these teams are,
Like like, there's gonna be more moments. Aaron Judge is
going to have his moment. Geane Carlos Stanton's gonna have
his moment. Mookie Betts is going to have a moment.
Show Hat's definitely gonna have a moment. So it's like, yeah,
it doesn't get overshadowed in time. There's you know, because
there's just what a what a world series we have,
you know, like it's it really is. It's two teams
that a lot of a lot of people stand but
you've got to watch because it's incredible baseball, right.
Speaker 1: It's Goliath first Goliath. And I think if your team's
not in it, and Chris, you and I were joking
about the Oriels and the Padres, we'd still rather see
the best baseball we could see. I think we'd still
rather see the big markets. I mean, Barty, I mean,
do you have any interest in seeing you know, the
Marlins in Tampa?
Speaker 2: You know, I mean I'd be watching my former White
sock Jake Berger on Miami.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if that's the best thing you can say, it's.
Speaker 2: Like you said, it's a Goliath or' is a Goliath batchup?
And when you really look at the rosters, there's probably
four or five Hall of famers on both teams, like
Freddie O'tani Muky Kershaw. I know he isn't on the roster,
but and then the Yankee Stanton Judge Soto. I think
I'm missing somebody because the team are just so good
I can't remember all their players.
Speaker 1: Five MVP Awards players that have won MVP Awards in
this series, the most ever World Series history, which you know,
are we going to look back at this like like
we look back at the Maze Mantle era? You know?
Is that what we're talking about. To all the people
in the chat who talk about modern versus versus vintage,
Let's talk about the cards for a second. I mean,
forty fifty years from now, how are we looking at
these cards and these players. And I think there's a
real argument to be made that these guys will turn
into the vintage stars that we collect now. And Mike Petty,
I understand nobody wants Freeman rookie cards unless they're Chase Hits.
I wonder if that will change, you know, at some
point if he goes to the Hall of Fame. Not
putting him there necessarily, but definitely definitely where I could
see it going. Bow had a comment here that if
the Dodgers win the World series Game one will be
the only one remembered. Too many. I think there's too
many stars in this And to your point, Brody, there's
too many guys. What if Judge hits a home run.
I mean, you know, a key home run from a
guy like Judge or Betts or a Tani. There's so
many stars that that could outdo what Freddie.
Speaker 2: Freeman, like Gavin Walks that's hitting seventh for the Dodgers,
has his moment, he creates his world series legacy too.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop John because I do believe that
things like tops Now, the scarcity may be contrived based
upon what it sells, but but it is a limited
production to what it sells. They're not sitting on shelves,
and I think that was the difference. If you look
at Jump wax Rex says it will be interesting to
watch modern players have so many more cards than Mazing
Man ever did. Well, you know, Chris, that's a good point.
You know, when when you look at values and you
look at submissions. I mean, I know that modern players
have so many more submissions. Now, I mean I'm assuming
simply based on the available inventory to get great.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the biggest mistake I ever made in
my career happened when I was ages eight to about thirteen,
and it was during the eighties, and everyone's collecting baseball cards.
And I remember going in the shop all the time
and saying, I love football, I love basketball, but no
one buys these cards. And they're like, yeah, they're not
worth anything, They're nothing, you know, And I'm like, oh
my god, And only I bought hockey, football, and basketball
in the eighties instead of baseball.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes you get a zig when other people
are zagging it.
Speaker 3: So I think that there's room for collectibles like Star
Wars still, like, I still think the market hasn't even
close to where it should be on Star Wars one Piece,
all these other things, because when you catch them in
their infancy, there's not the same population of cards out there.
And that's my Vintage is a commodity. Vintage baseball in
particular is a commodity that it just doesn't seem to
go down in value. And I'm always we always get
in submissions for vintage. But yeah, the amount of Victor
Wembanyamas that I've seen this year is probably more than
any other player in the history of my life. Like
the population amount that manufacturers are making to satiate the
needs of the current collecting community, which is much bigger
than card collecting was in the seventies, eighties, nineties. It's
it's almost insane, you know, they have to print so much.
Leagues love it, players love it, agents love it. But
is it good for the long term health of the hobby.
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. So Yeah, I think there's tremendous
value in collecting vintage. I think there's tremendous value in
collecting items that don't have large populations around them because
you know, it's just there's just a lot less of it.
Scarcity drives value and ultimately demand. So it was a
long way around.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we got an hour. You take as
much time as you want. Christ He says, I can
be a billionaire and I'm not buying baseballs. But I'm
not buying baseballs but over a fence. Okay, good comment.
The MVP is the Dodgers fan that caught the glabor ball. Well,
there you go, as a Jeffrey Mayor guy who still
has nightmares. Don't reach over the fence. People. Mike Petty
is right way. Too many modern cards almost none of
them will matter long term. Most of it's chunk. Chris
to your point, and Brity, I want to get your
thoughts on this. Also. Is there a division between the
bulk of the production and numbered colored auto is? Are
we getting into that division and collecting?
Speaker 3: I think the colored parallels is like one of the
worst things that could ever happen to the hobby. And
you know, coming from the manufacturer side, we always said
the brand has to have a reason for being, but
you can't. We want collectors to collect the rainbow, but
you can't make the rainbow fifty seven different colors and
other parallels parallels.
Speaker 1: Of that it you don't want Zebra strike down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, from the manufacturing standpoint, I think you
know we would internally we would make fun of a
brand manager who would go that route because it can
be kind of lazy. You have to be innovative if
you want to work for a trading card manufacturer. You
have to come up with new ideas. You have to
come up with other drivers outside just another foil shift
or color parallel or numbering sequence. It it just should
be better. So I think manufacturers do a much better
job today than they did late you know, covid era
type time. But it's it's one that still drives me
nuts when I see fifty seven different color parallels come through.
Speaker 4: And even our research team are people who deal with
cards all.
Speaker 3: Day long, have a really tough time telling the difference
between aqua and you know blue, you know. So it's
like if our experts can't have trouble figuring out, how
is a new collector to the hobby supposed to figure
this out?
Speaker 4: It's almost impossible.
Speaker 1: And Bertie, I want to ask you, because I know
you collect a bunch of different sports. Do you collect
autos only? Do you collect base and autos? Do you
have a way that you try to collect in your PC?
Speaker 2: My PC, the guys that I like really collect is
a lot more like I. When the product first comes out,
I want that bass chrome Rookie of Brenton Doyle. I'm
just going to use my boy VT. I want that base.
But then as the product goes on for longer, you
see more listings of autos and color and stuff like that.
So I feel like I still love getting the base
and the autos as well and the color, but I
want to bring up the point too, Like we're talking
about Hall of Fame rookie car and like what's a
Joe Mauer or Adrian Beltray rookie worth just something like?
But think about like when Freddy's rookie Freddy's rookie card,
when he's in the Hall of Fame, is it gonna
be worth a ton? Probably not?
Speaker 1: Well, ask my question, does do you have to have
an auto? Do you have to have something to in
that manufactured value to make it worthwhile?
Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on the player, I feel like,
because like a guy like Otani who's like second Babe
Ruth kind of you know, I feel like it's different.
But a guy like a Freddie Freeman that's been more
of a role player not really the right term, but
it's just kind of consistently putting up good numbers, not
like in SAE numbers. I feel like you might need
an auto of him to get to drive that price.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 3: One of the problems though, is they have to make
more cards today than they did even two years ago,
and the athletes aren't always excited about signing more autographs.
In fact, agents push back quite a bit on it
because the athlete's number one priority is to perform on
the field. And I've been in a lot of these
setting sessions and you put mountains of cards in front
of them and tell them to ship them back, and
it's it's kind of a recipe for disaster. Surprised more
things don't happen. You'll see it sometimes on different collecting
groups or message boards where someone found a box of
cards from an athlete in a dumpster or you know unsigned.
You know, so all these things that can happen when
you have athletes sign more and more and more autographs.
But the other bad thing that happens is their signature
starts to suffer. If you look at an athlete signature
when the cards first come out or minor league or
anything like that, compared with what it is generally their
rookie season, because the rookie season is when they really.
Speaker 4: Have to sign a lot, it suffers.
Speaker 3: I look at Jackson Merrill in particular, who is someone
that I collect right now. One rookie of the year
used to have a really nice signature. Now it's just
like kind of a j and and it sucks because
I want to catch that beautiful autograph. So what manufacturers
have to do instead of that. Sometimes it is just
a foil shift and a color shift and a different variant.
Speaker 4: But they have to come up with other items to
plug in.
Speaker 3: So whether it be unique memorabilia you know, I do love,
I can't we can't grade them a PSA. But the
cleat cards, you know that are so thick. Needed did
a really good football card, you know, I think it
was from Immaculate, but it's this chunky card, you know
that that.
Speaker 4: Gets people talking. Or whether it be.
Speaker 3: A booklet card with memorabilia and that opens up Those
are the types of things that I know that the
collecting community wants to see. For manufacturers that are different,
unique that drive interest in the hobby. But you can't
keep doing autograph autograph autograph on label, label label. You've
got to come up with different ideas and different concepts and.
Speaker 4: For for those in the hobby.
Speaker 3: Manufacturers listen a lot on social but if it's if
your request is put more autographs in the product, it's
gonna be one that they just can't do with how
much product they have to make today. It's it's impossible.
The athletes can't can't do that and perform on the
field as well.
Speaker 2: I don't agree. I just want to touch on this,
this is why I collect. Like you mentioned Star Wars,
I collect Star Wars quite a bit and wrestling. There's
only four or five sets a year like Max that
they make for wrestling and Star Wars, and I'm sure
like Marvel Golf stuff like that, there's not as much
autographs and there might be numbered cards. Well, when you
have five one on ones a year, it's a lot
different than like a baseball or football where they have
thirty five one to one. Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: Somebody made the question here Chris getting back to the
WEMBA Yama grading. CJ. Strouz.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just typing my type of my responsive,
But yeah, is.
Speaker 1: That is his stuff flying through now?
Speaker 3: I'm seeing a lot more Womanyama autographs, but it seems
not as many Panini Prism cards as I'm seeing of Minama,
So I think it feels like it's been a responsible
number for what we've seen for him and Stroud so far,
and the quality of their signatures seems to be okay.
So again they're not they're not the full licensed version,
so maybe the TOPS is doing something similar what we're
seeing with Tops and Lebron. You know, tops did this
Lebron autograph deal. I always you know from dealing with
Lebron at Upper Deck. He does not like signing, you know,
And I think that's maybe one of the reasons why
we've seen most of his offerings that are signed are
on these really limited edition items, these one of one
items you know would have you So I think that
that will probably be the cadence for Lebron autos in
the future. But so far, it seems like Stroud and
Wombenyama have been produced a responsible rate in my opinion,
so broad I'm sorry, Well.
Speaker 2: I just want to say to touch on Chris's point,
like Jordan Lebron, they don't sign much because they don't
want to devalue their autographs. Lebron and Jordan are the
two best basketball players ever, period. There's no arguing that.
You want to argue you had to have you can't.
But they don't sign much because they know they're the
two best ever and it's going to be a while
before there's somebody that comes close.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think Jordan understands that.
Speaker 3: I think Lebron just doesn't like doing it, and I
don't think he likes doing it, and there's a lot
of athletes. It's really shocking how many athletes where good
players just don't want to sign, like they don't like it.
They cramsy, go try to sign one hundred items and
and see if you're signature looks the same for at
the start as it does in the beginning. See how
your hand feels after it. See how it feels to
have the manufacturer calling you and your agent every day
asking you to get these back and oh, by the way,
we just.
Speaker 4: Shift you four other boxes.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's not something that a lot of it
burns athletes out frequently, So rookie contracts and particular kind
of a time for manufacturers to see is this going
to be something we want to work with in the future,
or is this someone who's going to be a problem signer?
Speaker 4: And uh, you tend.
Speaker 3: To see a lot of redemptions in the second half
of the year with h with manufacturers for rookie products,
especially if it's hard signed.
Speaker 4: So it's it's something to kind of watch for.
Speaker 3: But I'm always blown away by how manufacturers kind of
burn rookies.
Speaker 4: Out that that first season. So it's it's a tricky one.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Fanatics or Panini if their next corporate
U purchase is going to be Avery labels, you know,
for all for all the labels that they that they're
shipping out. Some athletes have beautiful signatures, and I want
to give a shout out to Harmon killer Brew who's
one of the one of the prettiest signatures ever. And
I love this quote. He told Tory Hunter to take
your time so people one hundred years from now know
whose signature it is in this chat room. I know
that you guys know some beautiful signature. Definitely throw it
in you know, if you if you know of somebody,
because I think that, uh, it is one of the
coolest things a player can do. Like you said, Chris,
there are athletes first, you know. Rex says, we had
Andre Dawson and for signing a few a few years ago.
His auto is one of the best out there and
so consistent. I don't know how he does it, but
it's amazingtograph.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and it's Wayne Gretzky's father told him to
take pride in your signature. And one of the coolest
items I've seen comes to the p s A is
a It's it's like, you know, just a piece of paper,
but it's when you're in when you're in middle school,
you know, you a doodle and practice your autograph.
Speaker 4: It's Wayne Gretzky doing that, and I was like.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's so cool, and it's it's eerily
similar to his autograph today. But having having that pride
in your signature and pride in what you're putting out
there for your fans, I think it goes a long way.
So but often you'll see an evolution of athletes. Audigo
Lebron James in particular. I think his autograph has changed
about six times, and we would talk to him about
it beforehand, like hey, what are you doing? You know
what's going on here. But it's it's interesting to see
for sure, as athletes go through these points in their careers.
Speaker 4: How they change. But I've I've found Andre Dawson, Harmon.
Speaker 3: Killibrew, it feels like a lot of baseball players in particular. Uh,
you tend to see some of the best autographs and
oddly some of them sell for not that much, you know,
and Andre Dawson, Harmon Killibrew, they're not going to be
as much as as some others out there. So I
prefer to have those, those cleaner autographs in my collection
than you know, the scribbles.
Speaker 1: The X is, the v's a couple of people throwing
out some names here of good autos. Marianna Rivera a
great one, Kofax a beautiful autograph, somebody else from Rivera.
Speaker 3: But again, all baseball, right, like you do. Great football
in particular is terrible.
Speaker 4: Look at it.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then basketball is not great either, So yeah,
baseball really is kind of the gold standard. I see
some great signatures in hockey, but you see it in entertainment.
You see some really good like Cody and I were
talking about amazing autographs in Star Wars. Harry Potter, you
know some of the leaf pop sentry stuff is really cool.
Speaker 4: Some of the autographs you get, and they usually look pretty.
Speaker 1: Great, Larry says, Eddie Collins is an art piece. I
gotta admit I don't have an Eddie Collins auto. Mantle
had a good signature show did all the fake man?
Let me tell you those are beautiful. Most faked autograph ever, Chris,
is that right, Brody?
Speaker 3: I have that number of Ruth and Jordan are the
top two that we generally see people fake Jordan, we
we see come through like especially since he's been signing
with Upper Deck Authenticated for so long. But it's it's
it's tough, and you spend a lot to get one
of the Jordan autograph authenticated. So it's it's tricky. If
it's not, if it's not U d A, I don't
go near it usually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eddie Matthews Satchel Page had a beautiful one. It's
a hard one to get musual country yep in a slaughter. Reggie,
that's an interesting one.
Speaker 2: He does have a great auto. I have one of them.
He has a great one.
Speaker 1: He's got the big the big persive. Right, Yeah, yeah,
that's that's fantastic. All right, before we get too far
and let me just read a couple more names. Tony Gwen,
Roger Stallbach, Duke Snyder, Babe Ruth. Some great autos.
Speaker 2: Griffy Junior had a great one, as will.
Speaker 1: I might be partial to that one. Birdie Charlie Garringer,
nice one. Orlando uh Rolly Fingers was a great one also. Yeah,
all right, I'd be best if I didn't spend the name.
Speaker 3: I love Hey, I don't know if you guys saw
this story about Rolly Fingers, like it's super Fractor from
the Awesome Shop, but that was really cool. Rally has
been a character in the hobby for a long long time.
Marcel Bilock from the Awesome Shop in Las Vegas. Great
store if you ever in Vegas. There's some really good
shops out there to check out. But he's developed a
really good relationship with Raleigh and it's wild. He's got
to open a baseball cards so I know TOPS did
a little profile on that, but it's cool to see
when athletes open up cards and are genuinely, genuinely excited
about what they get.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk and Brodie, you and I talked
for a second before we got on air. I think
we'd be remiss if we didn't give a shout out
rip to Fernando Venezuela. Anybody who lived through Fernando Mania
or I had a nineteen year career, so he might
have played for your team. I definitely want to talk
about just Fernando and what that was like. And you know,
there's very few players that have come out of the
gate with such a bang and to throw a shutout
in his first start out of the Mexican League and
you know, being a teenager at the time, personal to me.
But lost him to cancer. So Fernando, I just want
to give a shout out, and if anybody wants to
make a comment, that's awesome. But Fernando's top ten in
Dodgers wins all time, Reuben, I appreciate that, but he's
probably not an Oriels Hall of Famer for those six
starts he made and he breathed, throw his eyelids exactly
like they said, he looked up to God on everyone.
Fernando started the rookie card revolution.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's not far off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Triple. No one approached young Peter Rose or
man out of school to buy ten thousand his thirty
His ESPN thirty for thirty was eye opening. May be
angry at Dodger ownership during that era. I actually didn't
see that, did you know? One of you guys see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm such a sucker for those thirty for thirties.
They are so good, it's just so well done. So yeah,
it was didn't paid everyone in a great light, you know,
And again you don't realize all the things.
Speaker 4: That are happening in the back.
Speaker 3: You know, we all just see the sunshine and rainbows
that are coming out from athletes and assume everything's hunky dory,
but not always the case.
Speaker 1: Why aren't Fernando rookies valued higher? It wasn't quite the
peak of the Junk Blacks era. Brodie, I'm gonna ask you,
just because you're a little bit younger, I don't think
he gets talked about a lot. I mean, how much
were you ever exposed to Fernando Bell as well as career?
Speaker 2: I mean a little bit, I think definitely, Like I'll
be the show helps a lot with like getting to
know players, because they do a lot for New e
Leak's players now, which is awesome. But I mean I
had no Fernando, and like I know about his iconic
Rookie of the Year winning and Cyon winning season. That's amazing.
And I think when we talk about records that can't
be broken, like that's something that somebody might be able
to do it like a Paul Skiins almost was close,
but like winning the Rookie Year Antesaiah in the same year,
it's almost impossible. I feel like it's remarkable.
Speaker 1: Answering the question of why Fernando's rookies aren't worth more.
Johnson's people started saving their cards in the early eighties,
not as many were thrown away as compared to the
seventies and earlier. I think there's some truth to that.
I love this. He would have went twenty eight to
now if there wasn't a player strike. I mean, he
was just dominant back absolutely, Gordon, I get what you're saying.
I appreciate the sentiment. I think Fernando was the Mexican
community a real breakthrough star, but there was certainly a
lot of Hispanic and Latin stars decades before. Well.
Speaker 3: I mean not to get into a whole thing here,
but one of the things that I think adversely affects
Fernando's value is that he's beloved by the Hispanic community,
and unfortunately, in this hobby, we don't do a good
enough job of.
Speaker 4: Embracing the Hispanic community.
Speaker 3: There's a great Asian community for collectors, but most Hispanic
collectors either don't have access or don't have the same
funds or opportunities to collect like we are of all
been blessed to do so.
Speaker 4: I love when.
Speaker 3: So many good people in the hobby try to bring
in others into it. And I think whenever I whenever
I travel, whenever I go places, I try to find
players from that area to bring and share with kids.
Putting cards in people's hands at an early age is
so magical, it's so important. But unfortunately, you know, the
industry hasn't marketed itself well enough, in my opinion, to
the Hispanic.
Speaker 1: Community without a doubt. That's interesting. I'd be curious on
the distribution in other countries and the marketing efforts made
as the hobby grows to see how that changes.
Speaker 3: I've been really surprised to see how many Hispanic collectors
collect coins and banknotes as opposed to trading cards, working
also with PCGS who does the coin grading and card grating.
I see Hispanic collectors at point shows and numismatic conventions
all the time, but you don't see it at the
Dallas Card Show or the National or you know, so
it's something to be mindful of as you're at these events.
It's something I always look at, you know, why aren't
there more African American collectors? Why aren't there more Hispanic collectors?
And something we all need to do as maasters of
the hobby to make our industry more inviting and opening
to people.
Speaker 4: Of all colors.
Speaker 1: I do think, and Bertie, before we wrap up, what
has the Jackie Robinson Day, the Roberto Clemente? You know
what has that done to the younger collectors to show
a spotlight on some of those guys from previous generations.
Speaker 2: I think it really helps young collectors get to know,
like how much they really did for the help of baseball.
And I love both those days commederating them because they
deserve it. And I think there's a lot of people
that deserve it too, that necessarily don't have their own day.
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, I think if you gave a day
to everybody who deserves one in baseball, we'd play half
a season. All right, Any any last thoughts before we
wrap it up today. I know we glossed over some stuff,
had some good conversation.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, anybody that's still in the chat, I
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Speaker 1: Says that he'll see you in Dallas next Saturday. Chris,
good luck to your son in the game. And I
hope that the.
Speaker 3: All day, all day at the baseball field. Oh and
luckily it's tomorrow too, it's a Halloween. I need to
watch football.
Speaker 2: Do you ever need to talk and digress about how
the baseball games were?
Speaker 1: You know, you just talked?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bud, I need to get some therapy from you
on that for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I see Brody, he's either coming back
or going to a game. All right, Well, to the
chat room. To everybody else, very appreciated, made it a
fun hour. Chris Brody always great. If anybody wants to
get in touch with us off air, we're all on
social media and these two guys are very nice at
getting back and answering questions. To everybody else, thank you
so much for joining us. And if I can find
the outro, we're out of here. Take care,