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Speaker 1: Well, good morning, happy Saturday. Wherever you are, Episode three

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twenty one of Hobby Hotline. I'm joined by Birdie and Chris.

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Hey you guys doing today? We're doing good?

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Speaker 2: Great World Series game yesterday, good wrestling yesterday. Sorry for

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the show today.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Chris, I know you are. What show are you at?

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Speaker 3: I'm not at a show. I'm at my son's baseball tournament,

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so the first weekend and a bit where I'm hanging

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out with the fan. So good to be nearby. But

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I'm in a local hotel to chat with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for joining us. We got people in

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the chat room already. Mad City Brew morning. Everyone still

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have goosebumps from last night's walk off brand Slam. I

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hope people have seen it. If you haven't, right after

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the show, go see the report. Good morning, Happy Saturday,

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Good Dodgers, Good morning, Able Vintage card Collector, Hey guys,

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Billy Joe, Good morning, Reub and Danny looking like he's

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in a hostage video. Danny is in a hostage video.

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Danny is helping take care of his dad, so we

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all jump in where we have to. Good morning, Michael Rex,

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Good morning, Yes the sports car Shop Michigan and Indiana.

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We're on the big screens. Thank you, foul ball, Good

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morning again, Good morning, Happy Saturdays. E all right, so

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let's start talking about last night. I guess it was

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a pretty good game. What would you say, does this

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compare to Kirk Gibson or is it too early in

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Speaker 3: Chris, You know, I was actually at the USC football

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game last night. A good hack for you is when

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there's a lot of activities in the same town, take

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Speaker 4: You know you're going to get cheaper tickets.

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Speaker 3: So we got tickets it would normally be one hundred

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Speaker 4: Because there was the.

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Speaker 3: Laker game, there was the Clipper game, there was the

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World Series, and then USC football.

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Speaker 4: Happen to be playing on Friday night.

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Speaker 3: So I took my two boys and it was wild

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because the stadium was about three fourths fool but they

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were telling the score kind of throughout. But all of

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a sudden, you hear this cheering and it started off

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in this section over here that it slowly started to

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go around and people are like, what's happening, what's going on?

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Freddy Freeman hit a grand slam and my son was

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trying to keep up with a game, you know, but

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it's hard with the Wi Fi. So we was tied

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in the tenth. Then that happened, and it was kind

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of crazy how the colisseum exploded when they heard that

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the Dodgers wasn't that way. So it was really different

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and kind of cool. But what about you, Bertie? Were

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you where were you watching?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a great game, and I love

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it's a lot of the same contributors. Stanton with the

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two run homer to give the Yankees the lead early

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and then excuse me, the Yankees decision to walk Mookie Bets.

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I don't love it. I said it right away. I'm like,

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just face Mookie Bets. I know it's alrighty. But Freddie

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Freeman going into that bat was nine to fourteen in

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his career against lefties with the bases load. Bit I

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don't know. And that's their Cortes, his starter. He throws

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two pitches and they're both fastball down the middle.

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Speaker 1: Mookie says, Gibson was such an improbable home run off,

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the best closer of his generation and the prohibitive favorite

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a's Freddy was so amazing. But given Ghibbey was more iconic, Broty,

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who do you think is the favorite in the series.

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Speaker 2: I still like the Yankees to win the World Series

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because I think they have a better complete team and

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the Dodgers are short on pitching. They only have three

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starters on their World Series roster had to leave off

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Evan Phillips as well, one of their best closers. I

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think the Yankees are just more complete. But either way,

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Speaker 1: Chris, Here's you're who you're taking?

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Speaker 3: Well, I I My my main team is the Padres.

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oddly I'm a Yankees fan this week. But it was

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was iconic. But the story, the story behind Freddy Freeman

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this postseason and then to come back and do that

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is that's that's Hollywood movie script right there. We haven't

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even seen the end. So it was an amazing Hollywood

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Speaker 4: For sure.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. I think a lot of people

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with the Braves, and before he knew what happened, Matt

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he didn't really want to leave Atlanta at first. Uh.

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really be a hero and and really embrace living there,

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it to work out for him and to come full

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circle that way. And Chris, I'm like you, I root

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for whoever's playing the Yankees, so uh.

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Speaker 3: Let's yeah, we're diametrically opposed, but for for fun reasons.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I like the Padre so I wish they

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of the game. Uh. He should do a motivational poster.

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the video via the home run tweet. That's awesome. Larry

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good Morning saw Larry last night. Also loved the guys

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in the Night show in the Morning Show, Toddy Kapakov

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fifty to fifty with a title would be epic. Brodie,

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how much would that enhance his already crazy reputation in

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the hobby a lot?

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Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, because of his crazy season

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and the fact that it would be his first World

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that would be amazing. It'd be one of the best

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seasons we've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Really, Chris, do you think baseball players need World Series

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as much as let's say, basketball players or football quarterbacks

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to define their legacy.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You have those magical moments, right, Like my dad still

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has Ralph rank autograph from the World Series moments.

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Speaker 4: World series moments can really define you. So yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to have the Super Bowl titles,

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you've got to have the NBA titles, but you have

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a World Series moment like Freddy Freeman had last night

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that lasts.

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Speaker 4: A long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think his cards simply, you know, have more value.

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Chris when something like this happens, do submissions go up

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tops now cards. It's just because the collector interest is there,

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and then after the moment, you know, kind of wears off,

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or if that team's eliminated and laid round, it drops

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moments are are They definitely trigger more submissions for greating

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same time, he is a lock of being a Hall

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of Famer. He had amazing career in Atlanta and he's

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and he's done it for so much time out he's

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a Hall of Famer and he's adding this World Series

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Speaker 4: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: He says. Seeing the fan seeing the fans going crazy

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in Japan was pretty cool. Global eyeballs in this World Series.

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I think we have to agree with that this game

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last night was such a positive representation of the sport

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around the world. There's nothing you can do from a

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corporate standpoint that would surpass, you know, something like this

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happening naturally. Rex says championships matter much to a baseball

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player's legacy much less than they do to football and

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basketball players. Not sure why that's what I was getting

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at before. I seem to feel, you know, maybe it's

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the Ernie Banks syndrome, or you know, reluctantly, I'll admit

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Don maddingly I thought was a great player. I wonder

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if they need this is a great analogy. Puckets Homer

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how are you doing? Hey?

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Speaker 3: One thing, Danny going back to seeing the fans in Japan.

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Speaker 4: The game of baseball really is a global game.

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Speaker 3: Now and having representatives from Korea, from Japan, you know,

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from all over the place, and the World Baseball Classic

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is one of my favorite events. I think it's just

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cool to see all the nations compete and oh, I

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didn't know that guy was from this country, you know.

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watching the Padres and Dodgers started.

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Speaker 4: It was such a cool experience.

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Speaker 3: We're going to go to the Tokyo Dodgers Cubs game

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to kick it off next year, so we're going to

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be Cubs fans that that series. But seeing baseball in

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a different country, even if it's Toronto, is really exciting,

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the different chants, different music, the different traditions. It's it's awesome.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned the World Baseball Closet because

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I guess already, and it was outstanding. You're exactly right, Chris.

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person in the stadium sat where their ticket said. You know,

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everybody just sort of walked in and had a party.

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glad you gave that a shout out. Keating says memories

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are meant to be sold now. I guess that's the

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump slightly out of order, but there is

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this week with the one to one dual autograph chase.

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It's a cool card I personally, and I want to

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is a nice story, but he's not Ken Griffy June.

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He's not the superstar and his dad, you know, is

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the main player in this in this you thing. So Chris,

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is this is this tops Now one that you would

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Speaker 3: It's so funny because I normally do fall for the chase,

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with show hey, like, I will buy those because I'm like, oh,

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just it's so exciting. I love that they do the

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for the moment, like I get all excited about the moment,

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I buy it, and then three weeks later, I've I've

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I forgot I even bought this. But but

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Speaker 3: Cool, like it's it is a nice way to capture

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the moments, and especially if it's a game you were

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or you know a friend who is totally invested in it.

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for people, even joke ones if their team loss.

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on Bronnie. So I'm I'm I'm just like, ah, I've

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been burned a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna walk away, Bertie.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about maybe moving Browny between the NBA and

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Developmental g League. Is the pressure on him unfair? Is

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he being treated like other guys with his talent, or

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has it just gotten ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's just kind of got ridiculous. Like

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the moment with him and Lebron was cool. But at

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the end of the day, if you really sit back

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and look at it, if Lebron wasn't his dad, he's

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probably still USC. But I mean that's just the facts,

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pretty much like he didn't do anything absolutely insane at

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USC to get drafted, But it was still a really

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cool moment, and I think Lebron talked about it hit

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him being on the two way roster. I think it's

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just better for his development. So if he does end

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up being a really good player, I think we'll see

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that within the next few years and the potential he

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actually does have, so I think it's a smart move.

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Speaker 1: Quick comment from Bell he loves the Lebron and Bronne story.

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Bronni's no Griphy Junior, Griffy was no Lebron. I guess

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that's a fair comment, but I'll still take Griffy Senior's

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career so far over Brownie's all very good. Yeah, Griffy

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his son Griffy Senior had a nice career. Tops Now

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is real time. Technically, yes, Tops can release those cards

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through flagship products the following year. Well, that would be interesting.

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Would you be more inclined or less inclined to chase

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a card if it was in the regular release Brody

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versus being a Tops Now purchase.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it'd be kind of cool on flagship.

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But I think TOPS has kind of done similar type things,

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answer called like twenty twenty three's Greatest Hits, so like

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recapturing some of those moments for twenty twenty three that

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were huge. So I think it's they're kind of doing

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similar things in the flagship of Chris.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the the all manufacturers try to chronicle

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the season, but it's more relevant when it's in season,

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and that's why all manufactured have also moved to these

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these game did and moments tops Now you know those

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types of things. So it's it's the league's almost demand

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that you have things that accentuate what the positives are

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and having items available real time, Like after a team

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wins Super Bowl, you're gonna the first commercial You're going

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to see is come by this schwag, so it's it's

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almost a league mandate that these products exist.

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Speaker 4: But it's good, Like I'm I'm for it.

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Speaker 3: And one thing I really like about tops Now is,

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you know, it's it's not done on the full run of.

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Speaker 4: Other larger revenue products.

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Speaker 3: So I've personally found the quality to be really good

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because I think they're for the for the vast majority,

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they're doing smaller runs, so it feels like the qualities there.

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Speaker 4: They grade really really well.

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Speaker 3: I think I've had two tops Now cards get a nine,

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so I've been really impressed with for quality as well.

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Speaker 1: Somebody described it as small craft beer that you have

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somebody paying a little bit more into, and you know

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it's more of a passion project for the specific moment.

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John Keating, I want to give a fair shot too

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because I agree with some of this. One of his

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bugaboos is the non organic nature of today's moments. Brownie's

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entire pro career is manufactured. His draft is making the roster,

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the announcement and timing of the G League stuff. I

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can't disagree with all that. It does feel like it

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was amazing that he ended up on the Lakers, it's

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amazing that everything fell just into place for the story.

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I'm not saying that that this is Patrick Ewing with

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the Knicks, but it's interesting to say the least. Okay,

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I just want to make sure I'm caught up on

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all the comments here. Great chat room. So I do

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want to talk about the Otani ball because people brought

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that up. I just saw the comment somebody would rather

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have the Freddy Freeman ball over the Otani ball, and

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I thought that was an interesting comment. I wanted to

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talk about the Otani ball in general, but I also

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wanted to talk about the fact that new memorabilia keeps

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setting records. So this this record is eventually going to

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be passed. And the question is is what type of

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ball or what ball would set a record, you know,

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higher than this Chris Carlin if he goes sixty sixty

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next year, you know, is this ball already devalued.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe what that ball went for. I had

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a lot of people asking me in the beginning what

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I thought it would go for. I said maybe one

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point five to two million. It's shocking that it went

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for that much.

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Speaker 1: To me.

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't think it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be worth that, and in the even the

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coming years, it'll be I see it being like a

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Mark McGuire type dip because they're remember bases are bigger,

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there's going to be more of those stolen based type records,

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and who knows what's going to happen in the future.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just don't see that being anywhere near what it's

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sold for myself personally, not the company.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was shocked, So I can see other balls going

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for that much. But again it was He's he's a

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global story. He's not just you know, it's not like

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Lebron James doing something and getting the jersey off his

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back after game.

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Speaker 4: It's show hey, is next level.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know who bought it, and I think

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there's a lot of interest in who about it or

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you know what group may have bought it as well

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as something that's been talked about, So it'll be interesting

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to see if anyone shares that. But I thought it

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was an astronomical I'm not to spend for that.

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Speaker 1: Baseball Golden did their Friday dump. It was a Taiwanese investment.

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Speaker 4: Oh cool, yeah, yeah group that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at that price. It makes a lot. Brody, I

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know you finished second in the bidding. Uh, since you

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didn't get it. What what ball or what piece of

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memorabilia in the future, do you think it's gonna past.

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Speaker 2: That they'd have to break the home run record for

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a season or lifetime. I think because I just I

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agree with Chris. I don't think stolen bases not they

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don't matter anymore, but it's easier to steal bases. Elie

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daily cruise, that's our chase for twenty twenty four. He

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quietly had like sixty sixty five stolen bases somewhere around

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there during this twy fifty to fifty year and he

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had like twenty five homers as well. So it's not

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if you're a fast guy, with those that base being

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so much bigger, you're gonna steal a lot basis.

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Speaker 1: This is This is an interesting one. The Buckner balls

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sold for four hundred twelve years would go for millions today.

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The anniversary of the Bill Buckner play I believe was

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actually yesterday, if I have that correct, So good timing

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on that one, to that end.

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Speaker 3: To that end, Danny, it's really interesting what MLP has

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done with authentication you know they have done it. They

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have been the category leader in it with regard to

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making sure that meaningful items are tagged serial numbers after

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they've been I'm very active in the MLB auctions in

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their auctions because you can get items right from meaningful events,

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whether it be the name print plate from a locker

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to a base to game used jerseys, helmets, batting gloves, cleats, everything,

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So they do a tremendous job with that collect I

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think just recently did a feature on the MLB authentication process,

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but it's showing other leagues the value of this and

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what if the Buckner ball would have had a hologram

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number and CoA on it and had been marketed through mlby.

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They finally are starting to crack the value tied to

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their assets. And it's it's cool as a collector to

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see because it gives me easier access to some of

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these really cool items that you usually used to back

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then Bucknery era. You know, you would have had to

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know someone or known an equipment manager or what have you.

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So it's cool to see that we all now kind

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of have access through through that.

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Speaker 1: And if you ever go to a ball game and

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you wonder who the guy is at the end of

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the dugout, who they keep rolling the balls to, who's

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making notes. Literally almost every ball that comes out of

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play is now document. I know, the Baltimore Orioles, I

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want to say in the sixth or seventh inning, actually

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starts selling the baseballs from the beginning of the game,

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and every one of them is documented. Every one of

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them's numbered hologram and you can track it. So if

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you go to your first game ever, you can actually

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get a ball that was used in that game. If

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you have a favorite player, you can get a ball

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that they got hit from. So Chris to your point,

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the big stuff and the little stuff at MLB, I

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think is doing a great job on that. How can

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I get that job? That's that's that's a good questionable.

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We'd all love to send the dugout.

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Speaker 4: If it doesn't pay a lot. But the French benefits

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are you.

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Speaker 1: Know, just hanging out in the dugout, you know, just

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like my office. See this this is just like just

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like where I were. You said, the home run record

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for the new ball, do you think it could be

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a historic piece like the Kurt Gibson if somebody had

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has that ball or you know the Babe Ruth called

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shot ball, if that were, you know, to come around

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or something like that. Do you think it could be

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historic or do you think it would be something in

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the moment.

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Speaker 2: I think it's more something in the moment, because I

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think there's not that many records in baseball. There's some,

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but there's not that many records that I don't think

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are never going to get broken. So I think it's

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more about the moment, like and eventually somebody might just

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break it.

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Speaker 1: Chris, after the Atani ball goes from four point four million,

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just out of curiosity, where does that Freddie Freeman ball

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go for if it sells in the next couple of days,

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I mean a million, right.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna take the Dodgers obviously have to

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win to have legs, but that could be one of

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the defining moments for sure. So yeah, but it's contingent,

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I think on the Dodgers winning. Otherwise it's a it's

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a nice moment from a loss, which is wild. You know,

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it shows you it could double the value of the

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ball by by the Dodgers, So I was just kind

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of have to see, but I would I was so

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off on the Otani.

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Speaker 4: I don't even want to make a guess, you know,

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so who knows what's going on. It's cuckoo out there

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right now.

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Speaker 3: You think you don't see these prices when the economy

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is kind of struggling like this, But there it is.

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Speaker 4: So it's wild.

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Speaker 1: John Keating says the Aaron home run ball should be

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the highest value ball. That was a pretty big deal.

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What would that go forward to? I mean, Brody, I mean,

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how much does that pass the Otani ball by? If

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you have the Hank Aaron homerun ball would double it?

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Am I crazy?

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Speaker 2: Maybe? I think maybe?

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Speaker 1: I mean I am crazy. But about the.

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Speaker 2: Price, yeah, I think it definitely is close. And it's

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a store ball I give him. Maybe that's probab a

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big ball. Well that's the thing too, if Freddy, if

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that home run is in Game seven, that's worth more

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than tiny ball. I feel like that's a good happened

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in Game seven.

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Speaker 1: And that was the Joe Carter Harme run, right, So

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you know, I don't know about the Toronto memorabilia market

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versus the LA Dodgers, but you know, let's just imagine

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for a second that show he hits that ball in

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game seven. Okay, for the record, Keating, I have a

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beautiful forehead and it's not crazy not to wear a

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hat today. The Barman ball was blown up? What would

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that sell for? That was one in the moment Chris

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that I feel like, had, you know, all all the

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publicity and everything, and then it was I mean, I

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don't think there's ever been a trending story that died

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Speaker 3: I remember the National where I forget who the company was,

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but I think they offered him two hundred and fifty

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dollars to show up and sign on, just to show up,

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I think, and and he didn't, But there was all

475
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,960
this a quiet interests throughout that show if he might

476
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:11,359
pop in and claim that that money. But yeah, I

477
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,880
think if you would have sold the Department ball right

478
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,160
after the Cubs won the World Series. So much of

479
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,400
these sales is timing related. If show, hey, if the

480
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,000
Putters would have beat the Dodgers, I think that. I

481
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:24,200
think that ball is a two million, two million and

482
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,680
a half ball. But the fact that he's still going strong.

483
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,400
He had a strong series against the Mets just right

484
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,359
when it was right when the auction was was capping off,

485
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,240
I think that all factors in So we talked about

486
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,119
the real time effect of tops now, but if your

487
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,839
player is playing during an auction and performing at a

488
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,119
high level, your item is going to sell for more.

489
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:47,799
Speaker 4: It just does.

490
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: So I think it was a kind of a perfect

491
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,319
storm of factors that the fifty to fifty had never

492
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:58,720
happened before. Show he's playing well in the playoffs, excitement,

493
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:00,640
and you know, big market team. You know, if it

494
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,160
was the Angels versus the Dodgers, it's it's again that

495
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,960
ball's value is not the same. If you had have

496
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,880
done this with the Angels, it would not be a

497
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,960
four over a four million dollar ball. It would probably

498
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,240
be two million dollars. So, uh, it's wild. It's wild

499
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,920
to see what when all these factors can contribute to

500
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,400
the overall price of a collectible.

501
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: So how far is the drive from Dodgers Stadium to

502
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:22,720
the Angel Stadium?

503
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:24,319
Speaker 4: Half an hour?

504
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,279
Speaker 3: It really Angels are really Anaheim, but they grab that

505
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:32,400
LA to try to make themselves marketable in a bigger market.

506
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,519
Speaker 1: So it's a thirty minute drive and probably a million

507
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:39,440
and a half dollars on the ball. Yeah, I mean

508
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,960
that cracks me out. John Cating going crazy I'm not

509
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,640
going to get to all of it. A lot of

510
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,759
people making the point here that the older stuff, uh

511
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:56,519
is going to be more valuable. Everything's timing related. I

512
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,519
definitely agree with that. Now, this is an interesting one.

513
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:00,839
The bright last touchdown.

514
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw that in chat. That was a good point, Brody.

515
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean, do you worry about if you're spending this

516
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,079
type of money that something's gonna happen and all of

517
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,799
a sudden you don't have what you think you have

518
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,119
for the record breaks? I mean, does that scare you

519
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,640
just to be involved?

520
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean kind of, especially since there was so

521
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,920
all sorts of rumblings that Brady was gonna come back again.

522
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,200
But I want to back off Chris's point, like, what

523
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:29,799
if the Dodgers losing five games like that Freddie ball,

524
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,960
So it's a moment still, but it's not if they

525
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,839
win in four games, it's kind of a way different price.

526
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,359
I feel like for that ball.

527
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: So do you put it on eBay tonight or do

528
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,599
you risk it for a week and see if they win?

529
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a die hard Dodgers fan, I'd

530
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:49,000
keep it, but if you need the money, But like

531
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,079
I feel like, if you were at that game, either

532
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,880
a die hard Dodgers fan or a die hard baseball fan,

533
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,119
you probably want that ball.

534
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:58,319
Speaker 4: I would have. I would have flown to Ken Golden's

535
00:27:58,319 --> 00:27:59,000
house last night.

536
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,799
Speaker 3: If I the ball, I just get it done man

537
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,480
quick as he can.

538
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with the thing. That's definitely what I definitely

539
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,839
what I would do. Just sort of saying that this

540
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,480
was a timeline investment group. They aren't worried in the money.

541
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,079
I think they actually said they're going to try to

542
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:20,599
put it on display around Asia so hopefully people get

543
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,880
to see, uh see it all right, John, I said,

544
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,319
it wasn't gonna put you up anymore. I feel like

545
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:27,240
two weeks to me, I know, and we'll remember game one.

546
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,640
It depends what happens in the next couple of games. Yeah,

547
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,279
you know, if if the Dodgers going to win and

548
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,720
this is defined the series, then then it's a whole

549
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
different story than like Brodie said, if if if the

550
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,960
Yankees winning five, uh this this ball will be buried.

551
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: It feels like, though, how evenly matched these teams are,

552
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,480
Like like, there's gonna be more moments. Aaron Judge is

553
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,079
going to have his moment. Geane Carlos Stanton's gonna have

554
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:54,640
his moment. Mookie Betts is going to have a moment.

555
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,279
Show Hat's definitely gonna have a moment. So it's like, yeah,

556
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,799
it doesn't get overshadowed in time. There's you know, because

557
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,960
there's just what a what a world series we have,

558
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,039
you know, like it's it really is. It's two teams

559
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,960
that a lot of a lot of people stand but

560
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,839
you've got to watch because it's incredible baseball, right.

561
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: It's Goliath first Goliath. And I think if your team's

562
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,440
not in it, and Chris, you and I were joking

563
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,359
about the Oriels and the Padres, we'd still rather see

564
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:23,759
the best baseball we could see. I think we'd still

565
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,240
rather see the big markets. I mean, Barty, I mean,

566
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,640
do you have any interest in seeing you know, the

567
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,680
Marlins in Tampa?

568
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: You know, I mean I'd be watching my former White

569
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:36,799
sock Jake Berger on Miami.

570
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: But I mean, if that's the best thing you can say, it's.

571
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: Like you said, it's a Goliath or' is a Goliath batchup?

572
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,279
And when you really look at the rosters, there's probably

573
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,440
four or five Hall of famers on both teams, like

574
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,000
Freddie O'tani Muky Kershaw. I know he isn't on the roster,

575
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,559
but and then the Yankee Stanton Judge Soto. I think

576
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,119
I'm missing somebody because the team are just so good

577
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:04,480
I can't remember all their players.

578
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:09,359
Speaker 1: Five MVP Awards players that have won MVP Awards in

579
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,039
this series, the most ever World Series history, which you know,

580
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,359
are we going to look back at this like like

581
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,960
we look back at the Maze Mantle era? You know?

582
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,400
Is that what we're talking about. To all the people

583
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,119
in the chat who talk about modern versus versus vintage,

584
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:30,680
Let's talk about the cards for a second. I mean,

585
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,559
forty fifty years from now, how are we looking at

586
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,599
these cards and these players. And I think there's a

587
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,519
real argument to be made that these guys will turn

588
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,720
into the vintage stars that we collect now. And Mike Petty,

589
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,279
I understand nobody wants Freeman rookie cards unless they're Chase Hits.

590
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:53,319
I wonder if that will change, you know, at some

591
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,440
point if he goes to the Hall of Fame. Not

592
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:01,400
putting him there necessarily, but definitely definitely where I could

593
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,119
see it going. Bow had a comment here that if

594
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:06,079
the Dodgers win the World series Game one will be

595
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,720
the only one remembered. Too many. I think there's too

596
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,839
many stars in this And to your point, Brody, there's

597
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,799
too many guys. What if Judge hits a home run.

598
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,200
I mean, you know, a key home run from a

599
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,480
guy like Judge or Betts or a Tani. There's so

600
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,200
many stars that that could outdo what Freddie.

601
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: Freeman, like Gavin Walks that's hitting seventh for the Dodgers,

602
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,000
has his moment, he creates his world series legacy too.

603
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop John because I do believe that

604
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:39,519
things like tops Now, the scarcity may be contrived based

605
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,759
upon what it sells, but but it is a limited

606
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,759
production to what it sells. They're not sitting on shelves,

607
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:47,799
and I think that was the difference. If you look

608
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,599
at Jump wax Rex says it will be interesting to

609
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,599
watch modern players have so many more cards than Mazing

610
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,279
Man ever did. Well, you know, Chris, that's a good point.

611
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,480
You know, when when you look at values and you

612
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,799
look at submissions. I mean, I know that modern players

613
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:08,160
have so many more submissions. Now, I mean I'm assuming

614
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,400
simply based on the available inventory to get great.

615
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,519
Speaker 3: Well, I think the biggest mistake I ever made in

616
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:18,839
my career happened when I was ages eight to about thirteen,

617
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:24,440
and it was during the eighties, and everyone's collecting baseball cards.

618
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,599
And I remember going in the shop all the time

619
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,359
and saying, I love football, I love basketball, but no

620
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,759
one buys these cards. And they're like, yeah, they're not

621
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:34,720
worth anything, They're nothing, you know, And I'm like, oh

622
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:38,680
my god, And only I bought hockey, football, and basketball

623
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,000
in the eighties instead of baseball.

624
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes you get a zig when other people

625
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,559
are zagging it.

626
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: So I think that there's room for collectibles like Star

627
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,839
Wars still, like, I still think the market hasn't even

628
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,000
close to where it should be on Star Wars one Piece,

629
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,640
all these other things, because when you catch them in

630
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,160
their infancy, there's not the same population of cards out there.

631
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,119
And that's my Vintage is a commodity. Vintage baseball in

632
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,880
particular is a commodity that it just doesn't seem to

633
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,759
go down in value. And I'm always we always get

634
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,720
in submissions for vintage. But yeah, the amount of Victor

635
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:16,359
Wembanyamas that I've seen this year is probably more than

636
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:18,559
any other player in the history of my life. Like

637
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,599
the population amount that manufacturers are making to satiate the

638
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,200
needs of the current collecting community, which is much bigger

639
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,599
than card collecting was in the seventies, eighties, nineties. It's

640
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,519
it's almost insane, you know, they have to print so much.

641
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,839
Leagues love it, players love it, agents love it. But

642
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,240
is it good for the long term health of the hobby.

643
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,359
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't.

644
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,559
Speaker 3: I don't think so. So Yeah, I think there's tremendous

645
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,160
value in collecting vintage. I think there's tremendous value in

646
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,720
collecting items that don't have large populations around them because

647
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,759
you know, it's just there's just a lot less of it.

648
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:58,720
Scarcity drives value and ultimately demand. So it was a

649
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,839
long way around.

650
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we got an hour. You take as

651
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,839
much time as you want. Christ He says, I can

652
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,920
be a billionaire and I'm not buying baseballs. But I'm

653
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,719
not buying baseballs but over a fence. Okay, good comment.

654
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,639
The MVP is the Dodgers fan that caught the glabor ball. Well,

655
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:24,840
there you go, as a Jeffrey Mayor guy who still

656
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,760
has nightmares. Don't reach over the fence. People. Mike Petty

657
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,719
is right way. Too many modern cards almost none of

658
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,599
them will matter long term. Most of it's chunk. Chris

659
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,039
to your point, and Brity, I want to get your

660
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:43,840
thoughts on this. Also. Is there a division between the

661
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,800
bulk of the production and numbered colored auto is? Are

662
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,760
we getting into that division and collecting?

663
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,199
Speaker 3: I think the colored parallels is like one of the

664
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,800
worst things that could ever happen to the hobby. And

665
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,960
you know, coming from the manufacturer side, we always said

666
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,079
the brand has to have a reason for being, but

667
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,639
you can't. We want collectors to collect the rainbow, but

668
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,960
you can't make the rainbow fifty seven different colors and

669
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,440
other parallels parallels.

670
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: Of that it you don't want Zebra strike down.

671
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, from the manufacturing standpoint, I think you

672
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,760
know we would internally we would make fun of a

673
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,559
brand manager who would go that route because it can

674
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,840
be kind of lazy. You have to be innovative if

675
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,519
you want to work for a trading card manufacturer. You

676
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,719
have to come up with new ideas. You have to

677
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,079
come up with other drivers outside just another foil shift

678
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:44,159
or color parallel or numbering sequence. It it just should

679
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,719
be better. So I think manufacturers do a much better

680
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,840
job today than they did late you know, covid era

681
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:56,239
type time. But it's it's one that still drives me

682
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,880
nuts when I see fifty seven different color parallels come through.

683
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: And even our research team are people who deal with

684
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,360
cards all.

685
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: Day long, have a really tough time telling the difference

686
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,920
between aqua and you know blue, you know. So it's

687
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,199
like if our experts can't have trouble figuring out, how

688
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,440
is a new collector to the hobby supposed to figure

689
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:17,800
this out?

690
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,159
Speaker 4: It's almost impossible.

691
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: And Bertie, I want to ask you, because I know

692
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,039
you collect a bunch of different sports. Do you collect

693
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,400
autos only? Do you collect base and autos? Do you

694
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,920
have a way that you try to collect in your PC?

695
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,039
Speaker 2: My PC, the guys that I like really collect is

696
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,800
a lot more like I. When the product first comes out,

697
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,079
I want that bass chrome Rookie of Brenton Doyle. I'm

698
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:44,519
just going to use my boy VT. I want that base.

699
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,519
But then as the product goes on for longer, you

700
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:50,239
see more listings of autos and color and stuff like that.

701
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,079
So I feel like I still love getting the base

702
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:56,320
and the autos as well and the color, but I

703
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,480
want to bring up the point too, Like we're talking

704
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,639
about Hall of Fame rookie car and like what's a

705
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,360
Joe Mauer or Adrian Beltray rookie worth just something like?

706
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,000
But think about like when Freddy's rookie Freddy's rookie card,

707
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,039
when he's in the Hall of Fame, is it gonna

708
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:12,679
be worth a ton? Probably not?

709
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,639
Speaker 1: Well, ask my question, does do you have to have

710
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,159
an auto? Do you have to have something to in

711
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,960
that manufactured value to make it worthwhile?

712
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on the player, I feel like,

713
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,119
because like a guy like Otani who's like second Babe

714
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,920
Ruth kind of you know, I feel like it's different.

715
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,599
But a guy like a Freddie Freeman that's been more

716
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:38,159
of a role player not really the right term, but

717
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:41,679
it's just kind of consistently putting up good numbers, not

718
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,079
like in SAE numbers. I feel like you might need

719
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,519
an auto of him to get to drive that price.

720
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:47,679
Speaker 1: Though.

721
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: One of the problems though, is they have to make

722
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,119
more cards today than they did even two years ago,

723
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:59,000
and the athletes aren't always excited about signing more autographs.

724
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,519
In fact, agents push back quite a bit on it

725
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,360
because the athlete's number one priority is to perform on

726
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,599
the field. And I've been in a lot of these

727
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,199
setting sessions and you put mountains of cards in front

728
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:12,000
of them and tell them to ship them back, and

729
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,280
it's it's kind of a recipe for disaster. Surprised more

730
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,360
things don't happen. You'll see it sometimes on different collecting

731
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,800
groups or message boards where someone found a box of

732
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,760
cards from an athlete in a dumpster or you know unsigned.

733
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,280
You know, so all these things that can happen when

734
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,159
you have athletes sign more and more and more autographs.

735
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,760
But the other bad thing that happens is their signature

736
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
starts to suffer. If you look at an athlete signature

737
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,679
when the cards first come out or minor league or

738
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,400
anything like that, compared with what it is generally their

739
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,960
rookie season, because the rookie season is when they really.

740
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: Have to sign a lot, it suffers.

741
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: I look at Jackson Merrill in particular, who is someone

742
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,840
that I collect right now. One rookie of the year

743
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,960
used to have a really nice signature. Now it's just

744
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
like kind of a j and and it sucks because

745
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:06,000
I want to catch that beautiful autograph. So what manufacturers

746
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,400
have to do instead of that. Sometimes it is just

747
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,679
a foil shift and a color shift and a different variant.

748
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,679
Speaker 4: But they have to come up with other items to

749
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:15,840
plug in.

750
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 3: So whether it be unique memorabilia you know, I do love,

751
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,280
I can't we can't grade them a PSA. But the

752
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,880
cleat cards, you know that are so thick. Needed did

753
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,760
a really good football card, you know, I think it

754
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,880
was from Immaculate, but it's this chunky card, you know

755
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,519
that that.

756
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 4: Gets people talking. Or whether it be.

757
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: A booklet card with memorabilia and that opens up Those

758
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,920
are the types of things that I know that the

759
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,639
collecting community wants to see. For manufacturers that are different,

760
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,599
unique that drive interest in the hobby. But you can't

761
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:55,840
keep doing autograph autograph autograph on label, label label. You've

762
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,480
got to come up with different ideas and different concepts and.

763
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,159
Speaker 4: For for those in the hobby.

764
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,599
Speaker 3: Manufacturers listen a lot on social but if it's if

765
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,519
your request is put more autographs in the product, it's

766
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,199
gonna be one that they just can't do with how

767
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,000
much product they have to make today. It's it's impossible.

768
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,719
The athletes can't can't do that and perform on the

769
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,360
field as well.

770
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: I don't agree. I just want to touch on this,

771
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,760
this is why I collect. Like you mentioned Star Wars,

772
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,639
I collect Star Wars quite a bit and wrestling. There's

773
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,960
only four or five sets a year like Max that

774
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,119
they make for wrestling and Star Wars, and I'm sure

775
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,960
like Marvel Golf stuff like that, there's not as much

776
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,079
autographs and there might be numbered cards. Well, when you

777
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,280
have five one on ones a year, it's a lot

778
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,559
different than like a baseball or football where they have

779
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,440
thirty five one to one. Caleb Williams.

780
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,039
Speaker 1: Somebody made the question here Chris getting back to the

781
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,800
WEMBA Yama grading. CJ. Strouz.

782
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just typing my type of my responsive,

783
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,599
But yeah, is.

784
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: That is his stuff flying through now?

785
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: I'm seeing a lot more Womanyama autographs, but it seems

786
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,880
not as many Panini Prism cards as I'm seeing of Minama,

787
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:14,440
So I think it feels like it's been a responsible

788
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,480
number for what we've seen for him and Stroud so far,

789
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:21,119
and the quality of their signatures seems to be okay.

790
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:25,760
So again they're not they're not the full licensed version,

791
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,480
so maybe the TOPS is doing something similar what we're

792
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,800
seeing with Tops and Lebron. You know, tops did this

793
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,239
Lebron autograph deal. I always you know from dealing with

794
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:38,119
Lebron at Upper Deck. He does not like signing, you know,

795
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,440
And I think that's maybe one of the reasons why

796
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,400
we've seen most of his offerings that are signed are

797
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,480
on these really limited edition items, these one of one

798
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:48,880
items you know would have you So I think that

799
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,239
that will probably be the cadence for Lebron autos in

800
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,639
the future. But so far, it seems like Stroud and

801
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:56,559
Wombenyama have been produced a responsible rate in my opinion,

802
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,039
so broad I'm sorry, Well.

803
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: I just want to say to touch on Chris's point,

804
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,480
like Jordan Lebron, they don't sign much because they don't

805
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,000
want to devalue their autographs. Lebron and Jordan are the

806
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:12,079
two best basketball players ever, period. There's no arguing that.

807
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:13,599
You want to argue you had to have you can't.

808
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,519
But they don't sign much because they know they're the

809
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:19,519
two best ever and it's going to be a while

810
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:20,880
before there's somebody that comes close.

811
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think Jordan understands that.

812
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,079
Speaker 3: I think Lebron just doesn't like doing it, and I

813
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:28,519
don't think he likes doing it, and there's a lot

814
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:31,800
of athletes. It's really shocking how many athletes where good

815
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,800
players just don't want to sign, like they don't like it.

816
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,480
They cramsy, go try to sign one hundred items and

817
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,199
and see if you're signature looks the same for at

818
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:43,800
the start as it does in the beginning. See how

819
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,880
your hand feels after it. See how it feels to

820
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,719
have the manufacturer calling you and your agent every day

821
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,639
asking you to get these back and oh, by the way,

822
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:51,840
we just.

823
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,159
Speaker 4: Shift you four other boxes.

824
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: It's it's it's not something that a lot of it

825
00:42:56,519 --> 00:43:01,000
burns athletes out frequently, So rookie contracts and particular kind

826
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,599
of a time for manufacturers to see is this going

827
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:05,239
to be something we want to work with in the future,

828
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,079
or is this someone who's going to be a problem signer?

829
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: And uh, you tend.

830
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: To see a lot of redemptions in the second half

831
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,559
of the year with h with manufacturers for rookie products,

832
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,239
especially if it's hard signed.

833
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 4: So it's it's something to kind of watch for.

834
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: But I'm always blown away by how manufacturers kind of

835
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,960
burn rookies.

836
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 4: Out that that first season. So it's it's a tricky one.

837
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:31,519
Speaker 1: I wonder if Fanatics or Panini if their next corporate

838
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,840
U purchase is going to be Avery labels, you know,

839
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,199
for all for all the labels that they that they're

840
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:42,400
shipping out. Some athletes have beautiful signatures, and I want

841
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,760
to give a shout out to Harmon killer Brew who's

842
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,079
one of the one of the prettiest signatures ever. And

843
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:51,119
I love this quote. He told Tory Hunter to take

844
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,840
your time so people one hundred years from now know

845
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,760
whose signature it is in this chat room. I know

846
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,199
that you guys know some beautiful signature. Definitely throw it

847
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,880
in you know, if you if you know of somebody,

848
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,559
because I think that, uh, it is one of the

849
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,559
coolest things a player can do. Like you said, Chris,

850
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,960
there are athletes first, you know. Rex says, we had

851
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,480
Andre Dawson and for signing a few a few years ago.

852
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:20,599
His auto is one of the best out there and

853
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,880
so consistent. I don't know how he does it, but

854
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,039
it's amazingtograph.

855
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and it's Wayne Gretzky's father told him to

856
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,840
take pride in your signature. And one of the coolest

857
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,000
items I've seen comes to the p s A is

858
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:35,440
a It's it's like, you know, just a piece of paper,

859
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,199
but it's when you're in when you're in middle school,

860
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,280
you know, you a doodle and practice your autograph.

861
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: It's Wayne Gretzky doing that, and I was like.

862
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,519
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's so cool, and it's it's eerily

863
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:51,800
similar to his autograph today. But having having that pride

864
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,840
in your signature and pride in what you're putting out

865
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,039
there for your fans, I think it goes a long way.

866
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,960
So but often you'll see an evolution of athletes. Audigo

867
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,320
Lebron James in particular. I think his autograph has changed

868
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,400
about six times, and we would talk to him about

869
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,480
it beforehand, like hey, what are you doing? You know

870
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,639
what's going on here. But it's it's interesting to see

871
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:16,079
for sure, as athletes go through these points in their careers.

872
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: How they change. But I've I've found Andre Dawson, Harmon.

873
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: Killibrew, it feels like a lot of baseball players in particular. Uh,

874
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,239
you tend to see some of the best autographs and

875
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,039
oddly some of them sell for not that much, you know,

876
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,679
and Andre Dawson, Harmon Killibrew, they're not going to be

877
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,039
as much as as some others out there. So I

878
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:41,880
prefer to have those, those cleaner autographs in my collection

879
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,119
than you know, the scribbles.

880
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: The X is, the v's a couple of people throwing

881
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,079
out some names here of good autos. Marianna Rivera a

882
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:53,800
great one, Kofax a beautiful autograph, somebody else from Rivera.

883
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: But again, all baseball, right, like you do. Great football

884
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,000
in particular is terrible.

885
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:00,519
Speaker 4: Look at it.

886
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:04,599
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is.

887
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then basketball is not great either, So yeah,

888
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,480
baseball really is kind of the gold standard. I see

889
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,360
some great signatures in hockey, but you see it in entertainment.

890
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,199
You see some really good like Cody and I were

891
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:20,480
talking about amazing autographs in Star Wars. Harry Potter, you

892
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:25,800
know some of the leaf pop sentry stuff is really cool.

893
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 4: Some of the autographs you get, and they usually look pretty.

894
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,199
Speaker 1: Great, Larry says, Eddie Collins is an art piece. I

895
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:35,440
gotta admit I don't have an Eddie Collins auto. Mantle

896
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:37,719
had a good signature show did all the fake man?

897
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,599
Let me tell you those are beautiful. Most faked autograph ever, Chris,

898
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:43,559
is that right, Brody?

899
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: I have that number of Ruth and Jordan are the

900
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,960
top two that we generally see people fake Jordan, we

901
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,199
we see come through like especially since he's been signing

902
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,920
with Upper Deck Authenticated for so long. But it's it's

903
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,639
it's tough, and you spend a lot to get one

904
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:08,000
of the Jordan autograph authenticated. So it's it's tricky. If

905
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,519
it's not, if it's not U d A, I don't

906
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:10,360
go near it usually.

907
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eddie Matthews Satchel Page had a beautiful one. It's

908
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:21,039
a hard one to get musual country yep in a slaughter. Reggie,

909
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,159
that's an interesting one.

910
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 2: He does have a great auto. I have one of them.

911
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,119
He has a great one.

912
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: He's got the big the big persive. Right, Yeah, yeah,

913
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,039
that's that's fantastic. All right, before we get too far

914
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,119
and let me just read a couple more names. Tony Gwen,

915
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:40,039
Roger Stallbach, Duke Snyder, Babe Ruth. Some great autos.

916
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,039
Speaker 2: Griffy Junior had a great one, as will.

917
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,599
Speaker 1: I might be partial to that one. Birdie Charlie Garringer,

918
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:53,320
nice one. Orlando uh Rolly Fingers was a great one also. Yeah,

919
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,840
all right, I'd be best if I didn't spend the name.

920
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: I love Hey, I don't know if you guys saw

921
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:01,039
this story about Rolly Fingers, like it's super Fractor from

922
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:04,760
the Awesome Shop, but that was really cool. Rally has

923
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,599
been a character in the hobby for a long long time.

924
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,480
Marcel Bilock from the Awesome Shop in Las Vegas. Great

925
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:14,159
store if you ever in Vegas. There's some really good

926
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,960
shops out there to check out. But he's developed a

927
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,960
really good relationship with Raleigh and it's wild. He's got

928
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,440
to open a baseball cards so I know TOPS did

929
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,800
a little profile on that, but it's cool to see

930
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,639
when athletes open up cards and are genuinely, genuinely excited

931
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:30,440
about what they get.

932
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk and Brodie, you and I talked

933
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,599
for a second before we got on air. I think

934
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,519
we'd be remiss if we didn't give a shout out

935
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:43,960
rip to Fernando Venezuela. Anybody who lived through Fernando Mania

936
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,440
or I had a nineteen year career, so he might

937
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,360
have played for your team. I definitely want to talk

938
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,840
about just Fernando and what that was like. And you know,

939
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:59,119
there's very few players that have come out of the

940
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:03,079
gate with such a bang and to throw a shutout

941
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,519
in his first start out of the Mexican League and

942
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,320
you know, being a teenager at the time, personal to me.

943
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,079
But lost him to cancer. So Fernando, I just want

944
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,440
to give a shout out, and if anybody wants to

945
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,360
make a comment, that's awesome. But Fernando's top ten in

946
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,400
Dodgers wins all time, Reuben, I appreciate that, but he's

947
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,480
probably not an Oriels Hall of Famer for those six

948
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:33,719
starts he made and he breathed, throw his eyelids exactly

949
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,360
like they said, he looked up to God on everyone.

950
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:40,800
Fernando started the rookie card revolution.

951
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's not far off.

952
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Triple. No one approached young Peter Rose or

953
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:51,880
man out of school to buy ten thousand his thirty

954
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,679
His ESPN thirty for thirty was eye opening. May be

955
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,320
angry at Dodger ownership during that era. I actually didn't

956
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,000
see that, did you know? One of you guys see that.

957
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm such a sucker for those thirty for thirties.

958
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,559
They are so good, it's just so well done. So yeah,

959
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,199
it was didn't paid everyone in a great light, you know,

960
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,559
And again you don't realize all the things.

961
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,039
Speaker 4: That are happening in the back.

962
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 3: You know, we all just see the sunshine and rainbows

963
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,719
that are coming out from athletes and assume everything's hunky dory,

964
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,519
but not always the case.

965
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: Why aren't Fernando rookies valued higher? It wasn't quite the

966
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,400
peak of the Junk Blacks era. Brodie, I'm gonna ask you,

967
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,840
just because you're a little bit younger, I don't think

968
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,039
he gets talked about a lot. I mean, how much

969
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,840
were you ever exposed to Fernando Bell as well as career?

970
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:41,079
Speaker 2: I mean a little bit, I think definitely, Like I'll

971
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,199
be the show helps a lot with like getting to

972
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,239
know players, because they do a lot for New e

973
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,000
Leak's players now, which is awesome. But I mean I

974
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,719
had no Fernando, and like I know about his iconic

975
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,880
Rookie of the Year winning and Cyon winning season. That's amazing.

976
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,159
And I think when we talk about records that can't

977
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:02,960
be broken, like that's something that somebody might be able

978
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,400
to do it like a Paul Skiins almost was close,

979
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,679
but like winning the Rookie Year Antesaiah in the same year,

980
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:12,719
it's almost impossible. I feel like it's remarkable.

981
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: Answering the question of why Fernando's rookies aren't worth more.

982
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,760
Johnson's people started saving their cards in the early eighties,

983
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,920
not as many were thrown away as compared to the

984
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,039
seventies and earlier. I think there's some truth to that.

985
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:28,280
I love this. He would have went twenty eight to

986
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,320
now if there wasn't a player strike. I mean, he

987
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,679
was just dominant back absolutely, Gordon, I get what you're saying.

988
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,159
I appreciate the sentiment. I think Fernando was the Mexican

989
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:48,000
community a real breakthrough star, but there was certainly a

990
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:52,440
lot of Hispanic and Latin stars decades before. Well.

991
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,039
Speaker 3: I mean not to get into a whole thing here,

992
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:58,519
but one of the things that I think adversely affects

993
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:01,920
Fernando's value is that he's beloved by the Hispanic community,

994
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,880
and unfortunately, in this hobby, we don't do a good

995
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,000
enough job of.

996
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 4: Embracing the Hispanic community.

997
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,119
Speaker 3: There's a great Asian community for collectors, but most Hispanic

998
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,239
collectors either don't have access or don't have the same

999
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,440
funds or opportunities to collect like we are of all

1000
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:19,480
been blessed to do so.

1001
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,079
Speaker 4: I love when.

1002
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: So many good people in the hobby try to bring

1003
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,039
in others into it. And I think whenever I whenever

1004
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,880
I travel, whenever I go places, I try to find

1005
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,480
players from that area to bring and share with kids.

1006
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,039
Putting cards in people's hands at an early age is

1007
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:43,280
so magical, it's so important. But unfortunately, you know, the

1008
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,159
industry hasn't marketed itself well enough, in my opinion, to

1009
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:47,920
the Hispanic.

1010
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: Community without a doubt. That's interesting. I'd be curious on

1011
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:59,119
the distribution in other countries and the marketing efforts made

1012
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:02,119
as the hobby grows to see how that changes.

1013
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: I've been really surprised to see how many Hispanic collectors

1014
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:11,039
collect coins and banknotes as opposed to trading cards, working

1015
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,960
also with PCGS who does the coin grading and card grating.

1016
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,320
I see Hispanic collectors at point shows and numismatic conventions

1017
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,599
all the time, but you don't see it at the

1018
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,719
Dallas Card Show or the National or you know, so

1019
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,119
it's something to be mindful of as you're at these events.

1020
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,519
It's something I always look at, you know, why aren't

1021
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:35,159
there more African American collectors? Why aren't there more Hispanic collectors?

1022
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,519
And something we all need to do as maasters of

1023
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,960
the hobby to make our industry more inviting and opening

1024
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:43,280
to people.

1025
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:44,119
Speaker 4: Of all colors.

1026
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:48,519
Speaker 1: I do think, and Bertie, before we wrap up, what

1027
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:53,280
has the Jackie Robinson Day, the Roberto Clemente? You know

1028
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,480
what has that done to the younger collectors to show

1029
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,880
a spotlight on some of those guys from previous generations.

1030
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: I think it really helps young collectors get to know,

1031
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,880
like how much they really did for the help of baseball.

1032
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:13,599
And I love both those days commederating them because they

1033
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:15,880
deserve it. And I think there's a lot of people

1034
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,079
that deserve it too, that necessarily don't have their own day.

1035
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, I think if you gave a day

1036
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,400
to everybody who deserves one in baseball, we'd play half

1037
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,400
a season. All right, Any any last thoughts before we

1038
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,440
wrap it up today. I know we glossed over some stuff,

1039
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,880
had some good conversation.

1040
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,199
Speaker 2: All right, Well, anybody that's still in the chat, I

1041
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,840
got a couple of the Halloween packs, but I got

1042
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,559
sure you question, so DMB the answer whoevers for.

1043
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: Those footballer basketball Let's let's understand what we're dealing with

1044
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,440
under a TK.

1045
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,519
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, one score treat Brody TK on Twitter Brody

1046
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:57,679
Kuld on Instagram trivia question is player born on Halloween

1047
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,400
with the most home runs to me first win? Those

1048
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:03,960
couple packs will Halloween gift.

1049
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: And please don't put it in the chat, just brody.

1050
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, and shameless plug.

1051
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,039
Speaker 3: PSA will be out at the Dallas Card Show, will

1052
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,400
be out at Toronto Expo doing on site grading, and

1053
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,199
we are doing more and more events at local hobby shops.

1054
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,599
We're going to be opening up our facilities, our headquarters

1055
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,639
to drop off some more. So I always get anxiety

1056
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,599
about putting my favorite things in the mail, so hitting

1057
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:29,840
it right to a PSA representative is a pretty darn

1058
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,960
good option. So if you want to check that out,

1059
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,559
PSA card dot com slash events for where we'll be next.

1060
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,079
Speaker 1: Says that he'll see you in Dallas next Saturday. Chris,

1061
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,760
good luck to your son in the game. And I

1062
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:45,360
hope that the.

1063
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,079
Speaker 3: All day, all day at the baseball field. Oh and

1064
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:53,639
luckily it's tomorrow too, it's a Halloween. I need to

1065
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:54,159
watch football.

1066
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 2: Do you ever need to talk and digress about how

1067
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,159
the baseball games were?

1068
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, you just talked?

1069
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bud, I need to get some therapy from you

1070
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:02,519
on that for sure.

1071
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I see Brody, he's either coming back

1072
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,199
or going to a game. All right, Well, to the

1073
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,360
chat room. To everybody else, very appreciated, made it a

1074
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,880
fun hour. Chris Brody always great. If anybody wants to

1075
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,920
get in touch with us off air, we're all on

1076
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,079
social media and these two guys are very nice at

1077
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:28,280
getting back and answering questions. To everybody else, thank you

1078
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,920
so much for joining us. And if I can find

1079
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,880
the outro, we're out of here. Take care,