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Speaker 3: Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in you of
a Wildcat inshider. We got Jason Sheer on the lie. Jason,
how are you living?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining.
Speaker 5: Us, Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: We got a big game around the corner BYU versus
U of A, my brother, the U of A fan
who is flying in from New Mexico to watch. This
game should be a big one. How give us a
little update on U of A right now? How are
they playing? What are they looking like? Obviously the top
team in the country, But.
Speaker 4: What have you seen?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think things in Big twelve play
of n cover as of late. I mean Cincinnati was
the last game, and they played Arizona close for a
half before Arizona blew them out. At UCF was close
for a half until that game kind of spread and
then you know, they have West Virginia tomorrow, which could
be a kind of a sneaky game with the short
turnaround between then and b YU and all that. But
they continue to roll I mean, they're just they're they're
playing really good basketball. They're beating teams and in different ways,
and they haven't really had that that really scary game.
I mean, I guess U c l A Was probably
the closest thing early in the year to that that
scary game that comes down to the last minute or
two minutes. But most games that they've played have kind
of been decided by then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the identity of the issue of a team?
Would you say?
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, it's unique because they don't shoot a
lot of threes at all. They're the in terms of
three point attempts, they're the lowest of any Power four team.
They beat you up physically, they rebound, they defend, and
and they score inside and and you know, it's just
they they kind of it comes in waves with with
Crebus at center. They have two starting quality power forwards.
The guards are solid. They just kind of beat you
up and and wear you down. And that's kind of
what we saw, for instance, the Cincinnati game. That game
was close and then all of a sudden, Cincinnati just
didn't have the horses and Arizona scored them thirty seven
to thirteen in the second half. And a lot of
teams have done that. You know, Arizona has done that
to a lot of teams. So they kind of just
wear them down with the size and the defense and
the rebounding and kind of pull away in the second half.
Speaker 3: What's the scouting report right now on the Cougars. Have
you been able to sit down with the coaches and
find out what they're seeing from byu uh?
Speaker 2: Not yet?
Speaker 5: You know, the focus on is on West Virginia, But
you know, for b YU is good. I think everyone
realizes they're they're really good. That you know, that core
three guys that they have will put that against anybody
in the nation. And going on the road, I think
they know, you know, Arizona has been in at Connecticut
and they played a couple of boutral court games and
like Burbingham whatever, but nothing's going to come close to
probably what they see on Monday. They know that's going
to be an insane environment and probably they're one of
their hardest games to date this season.
Speaker 3: The the b y u U of a rivalry I
think is gonna be a fun one to in the future.
Obviously BA football and you of A football. They've had
some good head to heads historically, not only in the
former conference.
Speaker 4: Now with the cur current conference, that was a nail bider.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: This last year in Tucson, a wild and wet one.
Uh that the storm they came through. But I feel
like basketball is going to be maybe even better.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts, Yeah, you know, it's interesting someone on I
was talking to someone the other day and no, Arizona's
rival in the PAC twelve was was was U c
l A?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: And and now it's UCLA is one game a season
and maybe that goes away in the next few years
or whatever, and then a SU isn't good at basketball?
So I think what's the next natural rival? And I
think b YU is probably the ends that makes the
most sense, you know, close in terms of location, relatively close,
and they're not one anywhere, you know, with with that
coaching staff and the NI and all that, that YU
basketball team is gonna you know, they're They're not kind
of a flash in the paan at least I don't
think they are. And it's fun, you know, it's it's
super talented teams. When you look at the conference in
terms of pure talent, you can make the case that
the UYU is up there with anyone even in the nation,
and so it's gonna be a fun one. They've already
had close games. I expect another exciting game on Monday.
So I think it's kind of, you know, natural, that
that these two teams kind of become a rivalry, similar
to what you said with with football, generally speaking, these
games are close and they tend to be fun football games,
and I think it's it's going to be the same
for basketball.
Speaker 3: Jason Sheer on the line, Wildcat Authority uh part of
the two four seven Sports Network here on your Utah
ESPN Radio network, getting into the phone a little bit,
getting prep, getting ready.
Speaker 4: What what weaknesses does.
Speaker 3: You you of A have, right, if you're going to
kind of poke holes into what you of A doesn't
do too well, what are the weaknesses you know?
Speaker 5: I guess it would be outside shooting. It's it's interesting because, well,
you know, I mentioned that, like they don't shoot threes.
When they do, they're fortieth in the country in percentage,
So it's not like they're bad when they shoot threes.
It's just that a team so far hasn't been able
to force Arizona to only shoot threes and eventually we're
gonna come across the opponent that says, let's put everyone
in the paint and Arizona to shoot threes and see
what happens, And that would probably be the weakness to me. Also,
you know their bench right now. Toby walk is fantastic,
but Anthony Delorso, who's kind of supposed to be their
offensive spark off the bench, has really struggled in being
twelve play He's not been good at all. So I
think that's probably a weakness right now. It's just their
overall wing depths, guard depths coming off the bench, and
then their ability to shoot threes. I don't know if
it's a weakness as much as it is a question
because we haven't seen a team that has been able
to force Arizona into shooting threes, and so when that happens.
If that happens, I think we'll have a better understanding.
But maybe just the different ways that Arizona could score
would be something that would be a concern down the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, there's not much weakness in this U
of a podcast team. How did they compose this team?
You know, what was the transfer portal like this offseason?
What was the attrition and the additions.
Speaker 4: On the roster.
Speaker 5: Yeah, their biggest priority was retaining their point guard, Jaden Browley,
and and he's been absolutely fantastic. He's been one of
the best point guards in the country. That was their
number one priority. They were not gonna let him go.
They made that very clear that they wanted to keep him.
And then and then they they from there. You know,
the Brandon Burriez was a top ranked freshman, they got him.
CoA Pete was a top ranked freshman, they got him.
They went overseas to get Ivon Kharchenhov, who's has probably
been the biggest surprise. He started at the small forward position.
And then it was all about retaining guests. You know,
they retained Toby o Waka, they retained Mo Krebis at
the be the starting center. You know, they retained Anthony Door. So,
like I said, and so you know, it's always going
to be a mixture of development and kind of adding
the pieces in the portal. Next year they'll probably have
to add a little bit more in the portal because
guys are leaving. But they were able to kind of
mix and match, and you know, a lot of the
discussion around Arizona is how young they are. They have
freshman's at three of the you know, five starting positions.
But the thing is that the other positions they have veterans,
and so they rely on youth.
Speaker 2: But at the same time.
Speaker 5: They got guys like Bradley and Crevis and Awaka who
have been there, and so it's a good mixture of talent.
And I think that in terms of roster construction, this
is probably by far, in my opinion, at least Tommy
Lloyd's best job of putting the roster together and making
sure the piece is fit.
Speaker 3: The Big Twelve is the g league with university logos.
Speaker 4: It's a very talented, deep gauntlet league.
Speaker 3: I've made the statement that the SEC thinks that in
football they have a gauntlet. That is a farce, that
is fictitious, that is a lie. The true gauntlet resides
in the Big Twelve basketball gauntlet. This conference is ridiculous.
The strength of schedule for all these teams is robust.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts, It's insane, it really is. And like I mean,
I would say, it goes off to a hot start,
it looks like one of the best teams in the country,
and they lose two games and you look at it
and you're like, Okay, You're like, like, that's gonna happen
to a lot of teams in the Big twelve. And
you know, you look at you know, Houston and BYU
and in Arizona, and you know, even I was State,
I would say the beat the heck out of Purdue, right,
and you look at these teams kids, is when they're
healthy is awesome. I mean, the top of the conference
is so good. And even then, you know we focus
on the top, but like UCF is having a really
nice season, TCU is still you know in hard out there.
They're a hard team to play. And so you know,
to me, yeah, the SEC has some good teams at
the top, but I don't think the conference as a
whole is a strong Allen's the Big Twelve is there's
not an easy game in the Big Twelve. You might
see some bailouts because there's some really good teams, but
there's no games where you go, man, that's that's going
to be super easy. It's just it doesn't exist in
the Big Twelve, especially when you have to go on
the road and you know, Arizona schedule from here on out,
like starting out with the BYU game, and there's gonna
be some difficult games. I mean the stretch. They have
not faced that stretch yet where they've played, you know,
Iowa States and Houston's and Texas Texas.
Speaker 2: And all that. Like it is. It is a very.
Speaker 5: Difficult conference, and I think that's part of what makes
it so fun.
Speaker 3: It makes it, uh, it's a blash. Do you feel
like you've ays been overall the athletic department been happy
with the move from the PAC twelve to the Big twelve. Well,
what's been the assessment after being in the league now
for a couple of years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't heard any complaints at all. And I know,
and I think the one of the biggest reasons is
there's I feel like the competitive balance in the Big
twelve is better than it was. You know, it's just
it's it's easier financially, you know. I think there's more
support in the Big twelve than there was and PAC
ten or PAC twelve and and and so I think
that's one of the reasons. And you know, at first
maybe there's some concern with travel and things like that.
That the Big twelve has been really good with the
way they schedule things, you know, TV wise, I think
the ability to get out there nationally has been significantly better.
And I can honestly legitimately say I haven't heard one
coach since it's all started complaining about being in the
Big Twelve.
Speaker 4: Well there you go.
Speaker 3: I mean from an administrative standpoint, like the administration everything
all Rainbow, Sunshine and everything else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think what they're finding out is
is and with the new the newer ad DEESI a
read frand squat Arizona. You know, football, I think it's
getting more focused, not necessarily in basketball. Arizona's always going
to be a basketball school, but I think also with
the Big Twelve, you know, you're able to kind of
you know, well, while football is a big focus, there's basketball.
It's just as important and and and so you know, financially,
football will always be kidding. But I think it's a
breath of fresh air when you look at the Big
Twelve and to realize that that basketball's you know, every
team seems to be involved in basketball, where as opposed
in the past, maybe there are teams like in Oregon
State or Washington State or whatever who maybe weren't all
in in basketball or weren't. You know, basketball wasn't as
important to them. When you look at the Big twelve.
Pretty much across the board, basketball is a sink, and
I think that's important for school like Arizona.
Speaker 4: I know we're talking hoop here, but give me an eve.
Speaker 3: Ou great on the twenty twenty five you of a
football season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to me, it was just a or d.
You know, like I surprised me. I thought Arizona would
fight to make a bowl before the season, when I
saw them in spring and all that, and you know,
I think the biggest surprise was just the defense. The
defense was really really good dandigan Zalez did an excellent job.
They lost in the Holiday Bowl. Had they won, it
would have been a ten win season, which doesn't happen
with Arizona football, but a really fun season. Won the
won the Territorial Cup against a if you competed really
for pretty much every game this season. They weren't blown out.
Iowa State was the closest thing to a blowout, but
they competed in every game and just a fun watch
and Bret Brennan got some momentum after. You know, Arizona
wasn't good in the first year, and we'll see how
it carries on to his third year.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: How many double did you win seasons as you have
a football had, I don't know in the modern era.
Speaker 5: Oh man, not many. I think you probably counted on
one hand. It doesn't It does not happen, absolutely, I
think I'm trying to think off the top of my head,
but I think this would have been that like the eighth.
Speaker 4: Ever eighth ever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I mean it's it's it would have been
a very big deal had they got them head to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just pulled it up right here. So ninety three
ten wins, ninety eight.
Speaker 3: Twelve wins, twenty fourteen to ten wins, twenty twenty three
ten wins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it would have been It would have been
a very very big deal.
Speaker 4: Huh crazy.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting is like nine wins doesn't even come
about all that often, you know, typically like the best
you get his eight and five in the last thirty years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it just it just doesn't happen. But
there's other football in that. And I think the biggest
thing also is consistency. Like even when you look at
those teams at one, you know, the eight, nine, ten, games.
A few years later, they're back down to four or five,
and that'll be Bret Brettan's challenge too, and it'll be
interesting to see if he could keep it up because
a lot of times you look like coaches left or
they were, you know, they kind of ran their course.
Like rich Rod did well at Arizona, got them to
that point and then he fell off the same with Scoops,
and so it'll be interesting. It's about which coach, you know,
Brent hopefully can make this a consistent successful program. That's
been the challenge in Arizona.
Speaker 3: How was you of a football done in the transfer portal?
Since you know he's opened and closed, what have they acquired?
Speaker 4: What have they lost?
Speaker 5: So they're you know, Brett Bredman is very big on
retaining the roster. So it's similar to Jaden Bradley with basketball.
I said their number one priority was retaining No F
F quarterback and they were able to do that and
then from there, you know, it was retaining the younger guys.
They have younger guys that they really like on those
sides of the ball. They were able to do that.
The biggest priority was getting better on the offensive line,
and then Arizona lost all their safeties Genesis Smith Dalton
Johnson and traded Stukes, and so they had to replace that,
and so they went to the portal and they basically
rebuilt the whole secondary and there's gonna be competition there.
And they went with some guys from smaller schools and
some guys from bigger schools that maybe didn't pan out there.
And so that would be the biggest question heading into
spring ball is how those guys do in the secondary
and what kind of drop off there will be, if any,
and there's if the drop offs not big. They you know,
they nailed the transfer portal again, but it was mostly
about retaining and then filling needs. They took twenty guys.
A lot of teops take more than that, but they
took twenty and a lot of them are on the
defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: Which acquisition are you most excited about? And which attrition
were Where was you the U of a Wildcat Nation,
the Wildcat Authority Nation most sad about?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know the one I'm most excited about. You know,
Traden Steeks was really good last year.
Speaker 2: They lost him.
Speaker 5: I hope he gets drafted. If not, you know, he
had a great Arizona career, but they were placed on
Miss Nebraska Trands or Malcolm Hertzog who was injured this
past season. But really good player, I mean really good player.
He should be able to step in and play well
right away. They didn't really lose any one in the
portal that was on the too deep. The biggest issue
was just graduations, Like all these guys kind of graduated,
they they went, you know, they hit the transfer portal hard,
really hard last year and to some of their better players,
you know, that whole secondary. Those guys graduated. To Sean
McKnight on the defensive line, he graduated. So I think
in terms of low in the portal, there really weren't any.
It was just kind of matter of these guys college
careers ending and then having to replay him.
Speaker 3: What's the buzz around Jake Griffin? I know he's Arizona product.
I think he can't remember if he came out of
Mountain View or Mesa Red Mountain. He ended up at
by US a rotational tackle, saw some pt for byu
what's the buzz around Jake Griffin coming down to UVA.
Speaker 5: Yeah, his brother Jackson is also alignment on the team.
It'll be interesting guy. I think he's probably more of
a death guy right now. But they're gonna have an
open competition at one of the tackle spots. They were
able to get a six year for Tristan Bounds, who
was the starting tackle last year, so that's locked up.
But the other tackle position, it's gonna be wide open,
and so Griffin will be able to compete up that
and it'll be interesting to see. There's gonna be a
few positions on the O line that are kind of
up for grabs.
Speaker 3: I know we're trying not to look ahead, but how
do you think how do you say the or how
do you think the by u U of.
Speaker 4: A basketball game is gonna play out at the Merrit Center.
Speaker 5: You know, I would love for Arizona to go undefeated.
I am a firm believer, and I don't get like
college basketball is so different than college football. College basketball
there's so many more games college football. You lose one
game and your whole season can change. Arizona is not
going undefeated, I could say, at least I don't think
they are. I think b YU is a really tough game.
I just think going in that environment, you know, Arizona
is playing Saturday at twelve, and then they're flying at
Buyu and they were at UCF last week. Short turned
around like eventually, it still kind of catches up to you.
And I think b Yu is super talented. I actually
for a while have had Monday Petsula that Arizona's first lost.
I just think it's a tougher environment. B Uyu is
really good. They match up pretty well with Arizona. But
I think it's going to be a heck of a
game either way.
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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
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It is time for little college basketball talk. Yesterday, off
the cuff, we were talking bou basketball most Talented Players
and it got into a poll.
Speaker 4: Right We're like, oh, let's create a poll out of it.
Speaker 3: We only got four slots, and I was like, you know,
let's put obviously you got to go with with Danny Ainge,
and you gotta go with, you know, in the modern era,
the Jimmer Fordets, and you go with Sean Bradley who
was the second overall pick in the NBA draft and
went ninety three. And we were we were discussing like, oh, well,
you know, should we put in Choset or Jimmer in
the most Talented All Time BYU poll? And we only
have four slots, so I'm like, oh, let's just put
Jimmer in because not a lot of people have seen
Chosets and it caused a bit of a crapstorm with
some Bay fan instead. Apparently have U, you know, a
love and appreciation for chose, which I do as well.
One of the most unique players to ever come through
BYU and had probably the best, uh one of the best, uh,
I would say careers. Professionally, he just played overseas, so
not as many people got to watch him. But I
wanted to delve into it with a former BYU.
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the hotline. Welcome in the Brazilian bomber former BYU Great.
We got Jonatha Tevin already talks in BAU basketball and
I JC how that go?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good man? Hey? Ron? Can you tell how his
voice is?
Speaker 6: Not like Deli Obama one of my best friends ever,
and you know, like hey, and he is over there,
just like Hey, we're gonna come in. You know, just
some dude that played the BYU I guess we went
to school together.
Speaker 2: And what do you tell you?
Speaker 3: I gave you it a former BYU Great BYU basketball
player Jonathan Tabinari.
Speaker 4: I gave it to your heart. I gave it to you,
good Ben.
Speaker 2: I love you of all my heart.
Speaker 6: But how in the world do you leave out one
of the guys that has his jersey retired on the
rafters at BYU.
Speaker 3: Come on, look, look so hard. Let's go baseline here. Okay,
what is talent? What's the definition of talent as you
see it? What's your definition of talent?
Speaker 6: That you are naturally gifted and able to accomplish something
and you see it?
Speaker 2: That is it's a natural.
Speaker 4: Ability, right inate ability?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I hope I'm explaining myself right, but like
you know, like for instance, you clearly have the ability
and you you clearly have talent to be able to
do this on air thing, right, I mean it's not
like you. I mean you work at it, you work
at your craft, but you just you started doing and
you did it. Our brother, because we're both very close
to him, Jen George Andsen try to do this for
a living, and he wasn't able to do it because
it didn't come to him naturally. And so like, like
a definition of talent is are you able to like
do something naturally and you're just so.
Speaker 2: Good at it that even you know, when you.
Speaker 6: Actually start honing your craft, you actually become something like
really really good, right, and so like, are you.
Speaker 2: Just naturally able to do something?
Speaker 6: And you know, like I don't want to take away
from like out of Gimmer or Danny Ainge or a
j right like, but like, for instance, Sean, Sean was
incredibly gifted to be seven foot what is he seven
four seven five?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean he was you know, he was blessed to
be seven to six.
Speaker 6: And so now did he have natural talent syllabilities?
Speaker 2: Of course he did. He was able to run.
Speaker 7: You know, the dunk that you posted of him in.
Speaker 2: The highlight is really good.
Speaker 6: But nonetheless, like you know, Choseich had a natural talent
with the basketball, you know of understanding of high IQ
and passing.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at.
Speaker 6: Creso's entire legacy at basketball, right, because then to your point,
we're going to extend to pass the BYU because if
you do, then you know, he truly becomes arguably the
greatest BYU player of all time because he's the only
one in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: And so there's a lot to them back.
Speaker 4: Here, right, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3: Look I told you, and look I wanted to put
Chosch on there. It was actually for me, like when
you have a limitation afore. And like I said in
my follow up tweet, I probably should have just kept
it open ended. I should have just added the five
guys that I think are the most talented, right and
and included Chosich.
Speaker 4: The only reason why I didn't I picked Jimmer was because.
Speaker 3: Of the modern era fan on X and they're gonna
probably click on Jimmer, which I was.
Speaker 4: I was right.
Speaker 3: They're picking Jimmer more than they're picking a Sean Bradley
there in more than they're even picking.
Speaker 4: A Danny Ainge.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's either a j to Bons or Jim
or why because of the demographic that's on Twitter?
Speaker 4: Does that make sense? Like you can see it in the.
Speaker 6: Even And here's the thing too about Danny, right, I mean, Danny,
if you really want to stop and think about it,
Danny Age was the high school American in football, in
baseball and basketball. I mean, are you talking about your talent?
You know what I'm saying, like in me as to
be Denny, you know, Bio Mile, there's not a.
Speaker 4: Wrong answer in all This is what I'm getting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's not meant to be controversial, It's meant
to kind of like it was it was off the
cuff we were talking about it. I was literally talking
to Kevin Nixon and we we started talking like talented
players and and I was like, dude, like, you know,
it's interesting because Sean Bradley, I think is one of
the more I think he is one of the more
disrespected players in boa basketballas because he was he was
a true one and done. He was He's our only
one and done outside of aj To Bonsa. And he
went second overall in the NBA draft in ninety three,
and he would have gone first overall in ninety one
over Larry Johnson had he come out after that nineteen
ninety one season. Part of that has to do with
Part of that has to do a lot.
Speaker 4: Of or went on his mission.
Speaker 3: He if he would have just decided after that first
year at BYU to go to the NBA, he would
have been the first overall NBA right when he got
back off his mission, which hurt him physically, was not
wise for him long term. He ended up going second
overall in the NBA draft, and I believe it was
I want to say Chris Weber went before him, okay,
which we all know Chris Weber an all time great
and one of the best coming out of Michigan and
had a long story career in the NBA, but like
he's our only one and done besides now aj Debontsa.
And so I was like, man, it's kind of like
the disrespect that Sean Bradley gets is crazy to me
because he's.
Speaker 4: Literally one of five guys I know.
Speaker 3: His his his BYU basketball career. I mean they went
to a round of thirty two and he was good,
and he was like labeled as like a freak.
Speaker 4: I mean you watch him run.
Speaker 3: Obviously, he can gallop, Obviously he can jump, and he
could actually handle for a seven foot six.
Speaker 4: Guy, I mean he does some freakishly.
Speaker 3: And this is nineteen ninety one, this is almost forty
years ago. I mean it was he was kind of
an anomaly. But he's one of only five players in
the NBA to have twenty plus points, twenty plus rebounds
in ten plus blocks in a playoff game.
Speaker 4: In the NBA.
Speaker 3: And and like, when I talk talent, I think ceiling,
I think tangibles. I think like these innate natural things
that you know can be developed, but they're more natural, right,
And I'm like, man, Sean.
Speaker 4: Bradley kind of gets discredited.
Speaker 3: So like when you chimed in and said specifically that
Chosi should replace Sean, I don't know necessarily I agree
with that. What I would say is the debate here
is does Jimmer from a talent standpoint? And it depends
on how you determine what talent is. Is Jimmer Fredett
one of the four most talented players in BOE basketball?
Speaker 4: I think you for me it was Jimmer versus Chosich.
Speaker 3: I actually wanted to put Choseich just so you know,
I erased it and put Jimmer because I knew BYU
fans are gonna get ticked off at me for not
putting Jimmer. That's what happened with my poll, just so
you know, honest to goodness, one transparency, that's what I did.
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 4: JT is still there?
Speaker 6: I am still here. Yes, Sorry, I guess I drove
through a through a black spot. So I guess you
know to your point, man, there are no wrong answers
here yet none you know what I mean, And so
there are no wrong answers. And it's one of those
things that it's you know, again, it probably should be
a poll that you could you could put in more
people maybe leave it open ended. I think recent bias
might be something really really true, right, I mean, you
know people were asking about you know, like hey, you know,
is this person better than that person? Better than that person?
Speaker 2: And so to me, it's one of those things that.
Speaker 6: There's no wrong, there's right or wrong answers here, right,
I mean it may be one answer may be statistically
more proven than.
Speaker 2: The other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, So like I took productivity out of it,
it wasn't about production because from a professional standpoint, you
can really make an argument that Joe Sich is the
the it had the most professional success as a basketball
player because he was a two time EuroLeague MVP. He's
a Hall of fameer now six time feet but your
European selection. He was an all star right like he
was fit. He was drafted in the NBA. Okay, he
was fifth round, eighty fifth overall. He's he was one
of the true seven footers that could handle and hit
hit perimeter shots, mid range and get to the rim
and finish right like he and he died way too
soon at forty six years of age, right, just crazy
that we lost him too soon. So like h like
I said, I go back to like the talent of
the natural inate ability. You can't teach six to eleven,
you can't teach seven to six. You can't teach a
guy to be an All American in three sports. And
Jim er was wasn't like you can make an argument
Jim is the best scorer, like in that skill set
best score. I if I was to leave one person
out in the top four, I probably, I probably. And
this is controversial, and Jimmer's getting you know, Jim or
and his crew and and the jimmer Mania people are
gonna get mad at me. I would actually put I
would actually put Sean In over Jimmer.
Speaker 4: Did I put cho over Jimmer.
Speaker 3: As the most talented one of the top five four
most talented players.
Speaker 4: And that's controversial. I don't want to say that, right,
I don't.
Speaker 3: It's there's not a wrong answer here as we talked about,
but from a talent standpoint, like that's what I would.
Speaker 4: Put it at.
Speaker 2: Well, so I gotta say this, guys. You know, Jimmer
was very very talented. He was extremely talented, you.
Speaker 6: Know, And and and maybe it's because I'm so close
to the situation, but like Jimmer wasn't as good as
he became. Like he worked at it, which to me
is the thing that he deserves the most credit to,
you know what I mean, Like he worked and worked
and worked and worked and worked and developed. Now you
can say the same thing about all of these people
with talent, right, but like you really developed and.
Speaker 7: Improved and improved and worked.
Speaker 6: And so you know, like when we hear about Denny
Inge and you know, like then going to the Celtics,
I mean, and if you really want to think about
a band like Denny is arguably one of the like five,
you know, top five top ten white boys ever to
play in the NBA. And so you know what I mean,
like he is that good, you know, between the championships
and his you know, he's.
Speaker 2: The things that he brought to the table to you know,
to the Celtics. And so it's to your point, it's
difficult to come up with.
Speaker 6: One single, you know, single super bullet of four people
will say this to you, Ben, my personal my personal
Mount Rushmore at by U, which perhaps is something that
you know can be a little bit more explored. But
my my Mount Rushmore for by U basketball is Dresser
Marchocich first and foremost because he is the only former.
Speaker 7: By U basketball player that is in the.
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. That's number one.
Speaker 6: Number two it's Denny Inge, right and uh and I
think that's self explanatory. Number three is Jimmer and number
four in my personal opinion, the my personal opinion is
Byle Collinsworth, and I go with Bile Pollinsworth because he
truly was well, he truly is the all time record
in NCAA triple doubles on.
Speaker 7: You know, I think a lot.
Speaker 6: Of credit can be given to Tyler Haws for being
the all time leader in scoring at BUYU. But you know,
like or in terms of in terms of just overall success,
I'll probably say krasimir As one, Danny two, Jim Ort three,
and Kyle four.
Speaker 7: Back to me by Malin Rushmore of BYU basketball, Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, and I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3: Like, I think many people are confusing the argument as
like the best player versus the most talented player. That's
where I think this is all subjective, because it's all
about how how you define talent and how I've always
been brought up with, like the term talent is like
these are like natural innate qualities that you have, and
it's all about the ceiling, you know, the great and
tenacity and hard work and repetition.
Speaker 4: That's a part of like a skill.
Speaker 3: Set that you develop, but it's not necessarily these god
given talents that you have. And so some people will say, well,
you're just talking about height here, Ben, I'm like, no, Like,
freaking Sean Bradley was a freaking giraft that could gallop. Dude,
he and he could elevate off one foot. He and
I can go into it. My guy aps text and
be telling me I'm an idiot on this take. I'm like,
look like, I don't know how you can argue with
with it. And he's the second overall pick in the
NBA draft. Like, you don't go second overall unless you
have tremendous talent and upside. And they were willing to
take a risk on Sean Bradley's talent, even though he
was a little bit trim and thin and spelt. But
that dude could run, he could jump, he could shoot
in an era that yeah liked and prioritize big men
over maybe point guards and maybe skill position guys front
court guys, but or sorry, backcourt guys. But I just
think that Bradley's kind of underrated as it pertains to
like talent conversations and like I'll go back to that
that ceiling comment and innate talent and these measurables and tangibles.
He's one of five players in NBA basketball history with
twenty points, twenty rebounds, and ten blocks a triple double
in a playoff game. That tells you about the ceiling
that Sean Brother had. He had injuries in the NBA,
he was not as consistent as you would like him
to be, but his ceiling was was crazy.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, if you want to talk about that,
then you know Sean had a better professional career than
Jimmer did. And so if you're just looking from that perspective,
you know John, you know Sean would would be ranked
higher than Jimmer. I just think that, you know, when
it's again right then when you start getting a little
bit more into.
Speaker 7: The news and you know the nuances and.
Speaker 6: The details, are we talking about overall? Also after BYU career?
Are we talking about just that BUYU?
Speaker 3: Not even production. I don't even care about like necessary production.
It's about you know, the talent that like I bet
you if you you put Danny Ainge on a live
detector test and talked about what is what was Jimmer
Foret's talent?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: What was his talent like compared to his contemporaries. A
lot of people are gonna say he just didn't have
the talent to play in the NBA.
Speaker 4: He didn't have big.
Speaker 3: Enough hands, he wasn't fast enough, he didn't have a handle.
He was a great score, great shooter, he couldn't play defense.
He had no lateral quickness and staying in front of anything.
Speaker 2: That's that's another reason why he couldn't.
Speaker 4: I know, but that's what some people would say.
Speaker 3: I wonder what Danny would say about that, right, And
that's what I'm getting at, because Danny didn't go after him,
didn't draft him, didn't you know, you know, those that
were supposedly advocates for him, you know, I don't know
if they really advocated for him. He never got a
chance in the NBA. And everyone chalks it up to,
you know, the the Sacramento Kings ownership firing their head
coach west Fall and allowing for the interim head coach
to take over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to me, you're spot on, and so I.
Speaker 6: Think, you know, it's one of those great conversations.
Speaker 7: I'm actually pulling.
Speaker 2: Out to the barbershop right now.
Speaker 6: If if if my new barber was like my former barber,
my former barber new basketball he was.
Speaker 7: He was a great guy. Fortunately he went to jail
and so I had to find.
Speaker 2: A new barber.
Speaker 7: And uh, but true storry too.
Speaker 6: I will text you and run afterwards, and uh, you know,
but you know, it's uh, it's one of those things
that it would be a fantastic chat to have at
a barber shop.
Speaker 2: But you know it's uh, it's set.
Speaker 6: To the table really well for tomorrow's spanking of Yukon.
Speaker 3: Hey, real quick, I want to know I have no
disrespect for Cho six. I wanted to put Cho sicks
in uh, and I know it's disrespectful to not put
Jimmer in there.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be overly controversial with it. It's
my honest to goodness take and I will take the
shame that comes with it. I think Sean Bradley is
in is underrated as it pertains to the perspective that
be what your fans have with Sean.
Speaker 4: That's my opinion.
Speaker 8: I'll give you the inside details because I'm the producer.
Speaker 9: I get to listening.
Speaker 8: I heard you battle for fifteen minutes with this question
before you put it out, because you were going back
and forth about names, like ah, what should I do?
And I'm like, do what you want. But I was like,
you know, whichever way you go, someone's going to have
an opinion. So you battle with about this for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4: Trust me, man, I was I heard you.
Speaker 9: I was here to do. I'm like, I'm grateful I
don't have to hits in on it now.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know me my add eighty HD. I'm like, well,
that's a good question, you know.
Speaker 4: I'll put it out there like, and you don't really
like this.
Speaker 9: I should have given more insight.
Speaker 3: You don't really always think through all the controversy that's
gonna stem from it, that your friend is going to
attack and say you don't know ball and you're an idiot,
you know.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, tell you, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just having to try and have fun with this, and
you got to attack my basketball like you. AP's getting
after me too, saying no, you don't know ball, you
don't know ball.
Speaker 4: I'm like, look, I think it's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 3: I really do I think, and obviously it strikes the
chord with a lot of people, So I think it's
a good combo.
Speaker 4: Brother, But love and appreciate you. You're my guy. Get
a good haircut.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see what this bo a basketball
team can do tomorrow night versus the utes.
Speaker 2: Amen, amen, and uh yeah, he's gonna be a great game.
Speaker 6: I look forward to seeing you guys there and I
appreciate you guys having me on the show.
Speaker 4: Guys, I always appreciate JT.
Speaker 3: Jonathan Tabinari, the Brazilian bomber, one of the best to
do it in a b YU uniform. Ap did clairefy says,
I I never said you don't know, Paul, It's okay. Uh,
you're right. I put some words in there. But he says, uh,
make Sean six one. What's his talent?
Speaker 9: Guys, Come on, we can't know.
Speaker 6: Don't do that.
Speaker 9: See this is where I get mad. Now, I gotta stop.
Speaker 3: I haven't given my saying that just because Sean Sean
Bradley is not I brought this up earlier today, is
not Zach Edy.
Speaker 4: Sean Bradley was not Zach Edy.
Speaker 9: Not Zach Edy.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean like not a Yao Ming.
Those are those are kind of different players. Sean was
unique in his athleticism. He's way more athletic than Yao
Ming and Zach Edy. Sean Bradley could run bro he
could gallop. Look at that top end speed. He's seven
foot six and he runs like a freaking gazelle like
and he elevates off one leg. Yao Ming and Zach
Edy could not run like that, nor elevate in transition
and yack it down, yam it down like that in transition.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry they can't do that. He was unique.
Speaker 3: He there was a reason why, like everyone thought he
was a unicorn and took a risk on him because
of the talent. They saw the upside, they saw the ceiling,
they saw the the the neural muscular output, they saw
his coordination. That dude had a mid range. Sean Bradley
had a nice midrange. He had a turnaround. He wasn't
a Keema Lajahan, but he could do that little you
know you little juke and jive's fade away to the
you know what I mean, from to the to the baseline,
that fadeaway shot. He had a He had a really
well rounded game for a seven foot six two and
ten pound center like.
Speaker 4: He really was.
Speaker 3: Now, did he get banged around a little bit? Did
he have a dislocation in his kneecap his rookie year?
Did he have some back issues? It did with Dallas
one hundred percent? Did the mission hurt him? One hundred percent?
He would have been the first overall pick in the
ninety one draft. That tells you all you need to know.
All the gms in the NBA at that time said
he was the most talented upside player to draft, and
in the ninety three draft he was. He was the
number two overall pick after coming off of mission, and
who knows how the mission impacted him?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I mean, it's yeah, yeah he didn't.
Speaker 3: He's saying, yeah, y'ao Yao Ming was a better basketball
player than Sean.
Speaker 4: I didn't say that. I there, They're two different there's
two different styles of players.
Speaker 3: Sean Bradley in many ways kind of looked and felt
in college that first year of college and coming out
of high school. When you watch his film, you watch
his highlights, he wasn't a primary ballhander like what like.
Speaker 4: Weben Yama, right, he wasn't that.
Speaker 3: But like he's thirty forty years before his time, before
seven footers actually got to handle the ball. Look at
Sean Bradley in transition dribbling the basketball. There wasn't a
seven footer at that time that could do that. Maybe
I don't know, maybe Wilf the Stilt could and I
just don't have enough film there. But anyway, I think
you guys disrespect Sean.
Speaker 4: I'll be honest BYU fans.
Speaker 3: You guys do not give enough love and respect for
the athleticism, the freakish athleticism, the well rounded game that
he had. He could shoot the j too, he could
hit a three like if he was given the opportunity.
Speaker 4: But people pigeonhole.
Speaker 3: Guys in the nineties and the eighties and the early
two thousands too, being a back to the basket player.
But Sean could do a lot of that. He could
do not at all. But I mean he could do
a lot of great work on the court. Just watch
the tape. Okay, just watch the tape. I'm saying you
guys have a tremendous amount of disrespect for the talent
that was Sean Bradley. You're only one and done so
you're saying that all these other guys are more talented
than Sean when he's literally you're only one and done.
Do you realize how absurd that is? He's the one
of five players in NBA history that has twenty plus points,
twenty plus rebounds, and ten plus blocks in a game.
You're telling me that guy doesn't deserve to be in
the conversation as one of the most talented players in
BYU basketball history, a top four talent in BOA basketball.
Speaker 4: That seems insaying to me, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You guys can call me an imbecile, I'm an idiot,
I don't know ball.
Speaker 4: I think you guys are wrong, and I think.
Speaker 3: You guys are doing a severe injustice to the talent
that was Sean Bradley.
Speaker 4: I think you guys need a check tape. He was
a freak. He was a unicorn.
Speaker 8: So at that being that the freaked, the unicorn that
leaves us to the modern day right now, the freak
that we will see tomorrow, Does that mean AJ should
be the number one overall pick because of upside and freakishability?
Speaker 3: And with yeah, no, no, no, no, no, that's exactly why
if he's aj debonsa. If he is the first overall
draft pick, it will not be due to productivity in
being an elite, an elite score and all these things
that everyone loves Jimmer for. Okay, Like that's what the
people are angry with me because they're like, well, you're
not giving Jimmer enough credit for being an elite talent. Like,
if Jimmer was an elite talent, he could have been
a one and done, a two and done, but he wasn't.
Speaker 4: Jimmer wouldn't different day.
Speaker 8: But if he played in this day and age, absolutely
one season like that, I think he's done.
Speaker 9: Absolutely no.
Speaker 4: No, but like he had to he became Jimmer.
Speaker 9: He did absolutely.
Speaker 4: By his senior year, he became Jimmer.
Speaker 3: But he was not Gimo Dash and his freshman and
sophomore year he was a good player, a good college
basketball player.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt.
Speaker 3: But there's no way that Jimmer would have been one
and done or two and done.
Speaker 9: He would he'd have been three earliest most likely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he wouldn't have gone first overall tenth pick
in the NBA draft, and even then, he never really
got an opportunity NBA. In the NBA after Sacramentos. True,
never because why why why why didn't it Never was
gonna say well because of X, Y and Z, either're
gonna contrive things, and they just say, well, you never
fit in the locker rooms.
Speaker 4: He's Mormon. There's bigotry. You know. They didn't put him
in the right role. And defensively, and I'm not trying
to hate on like.
Speaker 9: I think defensively, anybody can play defense in the NBA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like obviously no one was willing to give
him a chance, whereas all these other guys chose could
have played in the NBA for a long time.
Speaker 4: He chose to go overseas, right back to his home.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: Obviously Sean had a long story career in the NBA,
riddled with injuries.
Speaker 4: But still you saw the ceiling. Danny Ainge, obviously a J.
Speaker 3: Deabons is obviously gonna be most likely a franchise player,
a Tracy.
Speaker 4: You know, that's what he's supposed to be. That's his ceiling.
Speaker 3: So when we're talking talent, my terminology is based off
of ceiling potential. Okay, not due to productivity and individual
skill sets that have been developed over a lifetime. That's
not how I do that's not how I determine uh
in a Merriam Webster dictionary, that's not. And even two
four seven if you want to take it off of
what they do. A five star football player is based
off of potential NFL draft status.
Speaker 8: Because of that, the top three pick, because the live
star when you look at it, four and five stars
a lottery it talent. Even Yegor four star probably could
have been elevated to a five star. But that just
shows he's been the disparity because Yegor on what top
ten you can make.
Speaker 4: Ronnie, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Could make an argument that Yegor or Deman there's more
talented than Jimmer for that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolute, one hundred percent.
Speaker 8: You can make that absolute with the versatility of triple
double and the shooting.
Speaker 9: Now, absolutely you can make that argument. I hear that
one hundred percent.
Speaker 8: You definitely can make that argument that Yegor was more talented,
you know, than Jimmer for that. And no, obviously people
are gonna argue me, say, ron you're wrong. A body
of work and nobody I love Jimmer for that. That
was how I got introduced to by U and b
AU Basketball was watching him. So don't people think I'm
being disrespectful. But when you watch Yegor and just the
to me, just the upside that because to me, Ben
this ten percent, that ten percent of impact Yegor is
this is really gonna sound disrespectful, light years above jim
Or because of the IQ ability when you add the
pass to the fact that when you add that skill set.
But I know there are gonna be some people listening
right now, they're gonna roast me. But you can make
that argument, Yes, you're correct that Jegor is more talented
than Jimmer for that absolutely.
Speaker 4: Well you can. I mean I'm saying you can try
to make that argument.
Speaker 9: You can't try to know it's on the table.
Speaker 8: Well right now in the NBA, I keep getting people
keep coming in my DMS at me saying why you
keep saying this is wrong? Because all I heard from
BYU fans I'm knock on the table was he shoots terribly.
All I heard from not NBA draft and list from
other people from local things, looking, oh, he shoots twenty
three percent from the three And it's like, do you
not understand that the mechanics are there that he can
develop a shot. John Morant was a terrible college street
point shooter John Morn did not shoot a three point
basket that well in college. What happened when he got
the league way better because of that, because the upside,
you can shoot better in the upside when you have
the mechanics. And now now you see what Yegor is doing,
Like then we're talking about a guy that has a
potential to be a future All Star and a franchise
player for the Nets. Like they like what he's doing now,
like him being back on the starting lineup, and if
they ever do move him to the bench, and there
they were doing, it's because of matchups, Like Yegor is
gonna play a long time in the NBA, had been
a long time.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: Sean Bradley, by the way, you know his his rookie season,
Uh you know, I mean average, what was it? He
started forty nine games? Oh sorry, he played in forty
nine games, started forty five like he every single season,
his season was cut short. I think ninety six ninety
seven was the only only year in which he played
like an entire full season. Maybe it was uh maybe
later on with the Dallas Mavericks too, but you know,
averaging thirteen points per game, almost a double double, eight
point four rebounds, almost forty five percent from the field.
I just say underrated, underrated, Let's go to break, don't
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