WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:16.719 Weary way. 2 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:23.440 We can kill a. 3 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:48.079 Shouting out their way? What the hell are you? 4 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:57.920 Yahuja Fest? That's right, we got a name. No, thanks 5 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.920 to you listeners, it's Yaucha Fest because I couldn't bear 6 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.159 to keep saying predator Fest because it sounds like a 7 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:09.519 Mara Lago mixer HP. Hey, how you doing, brother? 8 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:11.840 Doing wonderfully? How are you? 9 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:14.640 Father alone? I'm in the midst of a yaoucha fest. 10 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:15.519 I couldn't be better. 11 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:18.879 What's better than youch youcha fest? 12 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.159 Youchta yaoucha? Come mom? Brother? 13 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:23.879 Yeah with j Fest. 14 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:25.959 Winky dinky youcha? 15 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:29.400 I thought you were going to say it was blinking, 16 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.719 blinking and nod, winking, blinking and nod. 17 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:39.040 Winky dinky dog. Say it with me, Winky dinky. Do 18 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:40.599 you want the hoe cakes? 19 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:41.439 Hoecakes? 20 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.239 You want the wine ho cake? A little bit of 21 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:46.560 Hollywood shuffle for y'all. 22 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:49.280 Witherspoon, right, John Witherspoon. 23 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:52.280 The Great John Witherspoon. Absolutely, we're not here to talk 24 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:56.000 about John Witherspoon or Hollywood shuffle. We are talking Predator. 25 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:02.280 To Los Angeles nineteen nine seven. It's the hottest summer 26 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:07.400 on record. Pollution is choking the city. The gangs control 27 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:15.360 the streets. As bad as things are, they're about to 28 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.960 get worse, much worse. 29 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:30.520 Whoever killed it's gonna be I'm a fish. 30 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:33.719 It has almost no weight, but it cuts like steel. 31 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:36.879 Incredible. Who did this? 32 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.599 Took out four men art with machine guns by hand. 33 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:48.520 You don't know what you're dealing with. Other world life 34 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:52.680 forms drawn by heat and conflict. 35 00:02:54.439 --> 00:03:01.199 He's on Safari, Lions, Tigers, the bears, oh. 36 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:15.159 My, Danny Glover, Gerry Busey, Ruben Blades, Maria Councta, Alonso, 37 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:16.280 Bill Paxton. 38 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:20.120 Predator two. 39 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:25.439 He's in town with a few days to kill this Thanksgiving. 40 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.680 Predator two directed by Stephen Hopkins, written by Jim and 41 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.199 John Thomas, based on characters by Jim and John Thomas, 42 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:43.800 Produced by Joel Silver, who Else and starring Oh geez 43 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:50.520 my list shit and starring Danny Glover, Gary Busey, Rubin Blades, 44 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:55.800 Maria Concitta, Alonzo, Bill Paxton. Finishing his trifecta of alien 45 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:59.719 murders and things from the future sci fi murders. Let's 46 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.879 call it the Paxton Trifectair also with Robert Dave, Adam Baldwin, 47 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.599 Kent McCord man from fucking car fifty four. 48 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:10.800 Adam to Merant, Adam twelve. Yeah, I was gonna say emergency, 49 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:11.560 but it's Adam twelve. 50 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.120 Adam twelve. My favorite episode of Adam twelve. Can I 51 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.319 just say there's an episode where he and his partner 52 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.079 are discussing how he's decided to start taking a bag 53 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.160 lunch to work, and the scene goes on for ten 54 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:23.000 minutes and it's just this back and forth just makes 55 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:27.839 economic sense for me. Adam twelve anyway. Also within also 56 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:28.879 with Martin Downey Junior. 57 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.240 Oh, go ahead, No, I was just about to say 58 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.040 Adam twelve was my oldest brother's favorite show that in 59 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:36.000 chips you can't get enough of them. 60 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:38.519 There's a reason I love your oldest brother best. And 61 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.000 also featuring Kevin Peter Hall returning as a The Predator, 62 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.439 but not the Predator because this is a different Predator. 63 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:51.959 He's very different. Indeed, HP Predator two released November the 64 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:56.759 twenty first, nineteen ninety Sir, I guess we were seniors 65 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:57.600 in high school. 66 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.519 Yeah, there was we were rising. That was early in 67 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:04.319 our seniorhood, and I believe we both I don't know 68 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:05.480 that if we saw. 69 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.879 This, Willow, did we not see this together. 70 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:09.959 I was going to say, I don't think we saw 71 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.240 it together, but I did remember. I did see this 72 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.319 in the movies, though I do that much, I do remember. 73 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:17.600 Now this is the second film in the series. Evidently 74 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.839 twentieth Century Fox immediately wanted a second film once the 75 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.279 first film was a massive success, so Jim and John 76 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:28.360 Thomas were called upon. They provided six different possible scenarios 77 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:32.720 and everyone agreed and urban Jungle is the way to go. Now. 78 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.639 They set this one in Los Angeles, but they needed 79 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:38.519 to make some adjustments because Los Angeles doesn't have a 80 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.240 subway system, and some of our techniques here are going 81 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:42.959 to be a little bit more futuristic. So this film 82 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.120 takes place ten years after the previous one, setting it 83 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.920 technically in the future, came out in nineteen ninety takes 84 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:53.480 place in nineteen ninety seven. HP, What were your thoughts then? 85 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:55.560 What are your thoughts now? 86 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.680 Overall thoughts overall in the movie. 87 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:00.399 Overall, we'll get granular in the moment. 88 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:05.319 Sure, at the time, I remember enjoying it quite a bit. 89 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:08.160 It was a departure from the first one. They I 90 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:12.040 liked the substitution of the urban the concrete jungle. If 91 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.480 you will for the Leafy Jungle. I liked it at 92 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:17.920 the time. That's my short review. How about yourself? 93 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:20.279 Yeah, I really liked it in a lot of ways. 94 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.399 I liked it more than the first film only because 95 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:27.240 I enjoyed putting it in an urban setting. The jungle 96 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:31.040 setting was great for a one off kind of remote scenario, 97 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:35.759 but the thing scenario or alien to aliens more like, 98 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:40.240 which this film parallels in more ways than one. So 99 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.879 I thoroughly enjoyed it. Then I remembered it nothing but fun. 100 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.600 Then it probably sa not a few times since then. 101 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.519 But what are your thoughts now, friend? You know what? 102 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.160 Fuck it, we'll get into that HP. What's the story here? 103 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:57.680 So the story is as you said, it's nineteen ninety seven. 104 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:03.480 There's it's it is. But it's an exaggerated, heightened version 105 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.000 of la in the future. Not to say it's like 106 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:10.199 a Judge Dread type of situation. 107 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:14.360 But it's a Demolition Man scenario, certainly. 108 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.560 That's it. It's as if Demolition Man took place. It 109 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.000 was a few years before the beginning of Demolition Man, 110 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:24.000 where there's still elements that look like the real current world, 111 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.360 but you have Morton Downey who's playing this sort of 112 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:32.000 the video telejournalist, the sort of muck raking. That's a 113 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.800 terrible word that makes me sound like I live in 114 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.120 you know, the forties or something. But he's playing Morton Downey. 115 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.959 Folks who don't remember Morton Downey was Was he the 116 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:47.600 original late night, hyper crazy, cheap ass talk show host. 117 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:52.600 There was a regional fella in California named Wally George 118 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.319 and basically, if you were able to tune into a 119 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.199 Wally George show, you saw the Morton Downey Junior Show. 120 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.279 In fact, Mortin Downy Junior appear on the Wally George 121 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.600 Show before he had his own show, so it's safe 122 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.519 to say that the format and the character he portrayed 123 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:12.240 were already in existence, but not nationally. So he basically 124 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:15.439 he's Oreos to Wally George's hydros. 125 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.920 Hydrox, Yeah, which I think we all can agree. Hydrox 126 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.920 was the superior cookie, but it is not remembered now 127 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.879 because Oreos had better marketing. But anyway, it's a future. 128 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.879 There's a gang war going on, and it's the hottest 129 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:32.679 summer on record or something. It's a very hot summer 130 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:36.200 and there's a gang war going on between the Jamaican 131 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:40.600 gang and the Columbian gang and police officers are dying 132 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.039 left and right. There's a little bit of RoboCop in 133 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:47.519 this movie too, not satire to that degree, but definitely 134 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:48.720 a heightened reality. 135 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.200 If you will, you can tell you that Thomas Brothers 136 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:55.600 are having a fun time caricaturizing Los Angeles because there 137 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.960 were gang wars going on, and there were all like 138 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.360 incredibly heat waves and droughts and such that had been 139 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.120 going on previously. Not to this level. This is exaggerated, 140 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.960 This is Judge Dread levels of exaggeration, but again without 141 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:09.679 the satire. 142 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:14.519 Correct correct. And Danny Glover is leading a team of 143 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.600 he's a cop and he has other cops. Maria Cancido 144 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.480 Alonso is on his I don't know is he a sergeant? 145 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.039 Is he I don't know what his title? Captain, lieutenant Mike, 146 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:27.799 that's right, Harrigan. And he has a team that works 147 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:31.360 Ruben Blades. Interesting, by the way, Father Malone, I, I 148 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:34.600 too was worried that I was going to mispronounce his name, 149 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:38.559 because naturally I'd want to say ruben blades or is 150 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:41.399 it blades? But I did look up an interview that 151 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:44.000 he gave for the walking Dead, and he basically said, 152 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.159 when I grew up, I called myself Blades, and then 153 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:51.279 later people in Panama called me blades, so it's blades, 154 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:54.960 it's blattes. I don't care. So I guess we'll continue 155 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.600 to call him blades out of some form of respect, 156 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:59.039 but it could go either way anyway. 157 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.440 When I saw this movie, I called him Ruben Blades 158 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:03.039 and I thought he was shaking too. I thought he 159 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.159 was the coolest motherfucker on You know. He was a 160 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.039 musician and I had one of his albums and in 161 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:10.240 the liner notes of the album it had his home 162 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:13.000 phone number and if you called it, he picked up. 163 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:14.559 And I know because I called him, and then I 164 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:16.919 panicked and hung up afterwards. But it was Ruben Blades. 165 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:19.159 Good for him. 166 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:19.639 He was. 167 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:22.840 Also he was the Helado de Coco guy in Do 168 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.519 the Right Thing. Was the little bit part he was, hey, 169 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:29.879 come get you come you want coconut dear? What would 170 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:30.519 you want? Yeah? 171 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:32.639 That was what I loved him. I miss him. 172 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:35.159 Ruben blood is I think he was. I want to 173 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.159 say he was also in Mobid of Blues. Wasn't he 174 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:42.039 the guy that sent the thugs to beat up Spike Lee? 175 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:45.559 We can only hope like one of his other noble deeds. 176 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:47.799 He's great. He's actually one of the things I really 177 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.840 liked about this movie. Anyway. There's this gang war going on, 178 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:53.159 and in the midst of all of this heat and 179 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:58.840 chaos and destruction, the predator A predator, not the Predator 180 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:04.039 has as Gary Busey's character says, he's on safari. He 181 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:06.320 plunks himself in the middle of all this chaos to 182 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.200 go hunting. That's true, that's the story on that show. 183 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.440 I love that he's just hanging out and watching this 184 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:14.200 fight going on at the beginning, don't you. Yeah, I do. 185 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:16.519 It's I will say this, if we're going to start 186 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:17.559 to get into this movie. 187 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:19.360 You know, let's get into it, because this opening scene 188 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:23.600 is fucking ridiculous. I get they're trying to paint this 189 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:27.200 as a comic bookie cartoony version of LA, a sci 190 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:30.360 fi version of La heightened. The reality version of LA. 191 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.399 The gunfight that's going on in the streets would be 192 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.200 talked about to this day had it happened back in 193 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.519 like nineteen ninety seven, Like there was a heat style 194 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.519 gun battle you remember in Las on the streets of 195 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:43.519 Los Angeles. There are a couple of guys with bank robbers, 196 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:47.039 and they ended up like shooting their way out. That 197 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.240 was all anyone could talk about for years and years 198 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.320 and years and years and years. Can you imagine this 199 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.559 fight going on? There are lines of cars, There are 200 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.519 lines of Colombian warlords, including El Scorpio. What was that 201 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:00.000 fella's name? I gotta find his name. 202 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:02.960 He was good only that This is the kind of 203 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.360 heightened scene where they're having this gun battle, and in 204 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:08.639 the midst of it, some of the gang members are 205 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:12.879 thrusting their faces into piles of cocaine to get themselves 206 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:17.000 like hyped up for this gun battle. In drives in 207 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.120 Danny Glover, they try to paint his character as being 208 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.399 a renegade from the very beginning. There's some officers down 209 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.480 and they can't get to them because of the fears 210 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.519 gun battle. So he commandeers a car and he drives 211 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.960 it in and he puts it's a crazy gun battle 212 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:35.559 and I have So there. 213 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.039 Are a couple officers in the middle of the street 214 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.600 and caught in the crossfire. He breaks the door off 215 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.000 of a car, uses it like as a battering ram, 216 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.519 and then ends up blocking the gun toting fiends from 217 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:49.159 the officers and they're able to pull them to safety. Hooray. 218 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.559 What I love is if you read anything about the 219 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.639 making of the film. Initially, director Stephen Hopkins wanted Patrick 220 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.759 Swayze in this role, and he wanted it to be 221 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.879 a buddy film of Patrick's and Arnold Schwarzenegger are running 222 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.360 through the streets of Los Angeles fighting the predators. And 223 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.399 then that didn't pan out and either direction. Schwartzenegger wanted 224 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.960 too much money and Patrick Swayzy was not available. So 225 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:12.960 Joel Silver reaches out to his old lethal weapon pal, 226 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.679 Danny Glover, and while he was doing that, Stephen Hopkins 227 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.360 was interviewing Steven Segal for the role of Detective Harrigan, 228 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:25.559 who was interested in doing it but wanted to change 229 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:29.639 his character so that he was a CIA operative and 230 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:33.519 like a martial arts expert, and Stephen Hopkins was like, no, 231 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:35.759 I want this to be more of an average Joe. 232 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.480 So sorry, no, thank you, Steven Singal. And now I 233 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.960 wonder what Stephen Hopkins' definition of an average Joe is. 234 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.679 Because Danny Glover shows up here, breaks the door off 235 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.919 of the car, slams it, and then saves those guys 236 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.320 and then everything. They all run into the building. They're 237 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.440 all high on cocaine. They have a fucking arsenal up there. 238 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:56.320 He's running up there as well. It's one hundred and 239 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.240 nine degrees out here. This is not average Joe. This 240 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:02.480 is Superhero. This basically would have been Schwarzenegger. 241 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.519 It would have been And I have to I have 242 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.559 to say part of my problem with this gun battle 243 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:10.279 and the movie a lot of the movie in general, 244 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.360 is the action I don't think is directed very well. 245 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:16.559 It's there's not a great sense of context. I think 246 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.159 one of the things that's wonderful about the First Predator 247 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:22.360 is you always understand where they are in relation to 248 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:25.159 the Predator and what's happening. And that's key to a 249 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.159 good action sequence. Diehard, that is a textbook case and 250 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.080 how to direct and how to direct action in a 251 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.600 motion picture. This is just there. There's a lot of 252 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.519 slow motion. There's just wants and gun battles. Maybe that's 253 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.840 the point is it's so chaotic, but I kept losing 254 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.720 my bearing on where things were happening that it just 255 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.480 became a lot of noise and storm un drying without 256 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.799 a lot of character to it. What did you think 257 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:54.440 of how it was directed. The action. 258 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:59.120 I remember really liking the direction for some goddamned reason 259 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:03.120 because it it is poorly directed. What you're saying, you 260 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.360 never get a sense of geography in this movie at all. 261 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.080 There are fights going on with multiple characters involved in 262 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:15.440 multiple situations, and you never know where any of them 263 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:20.080 are or where they are in relation to each other. 264 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:25.159 It is chaotically edited. Even you know this shit going 265 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:27.440 on because stuff is blowing up and people are flying 266 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.200 through the air and bullets are being spat in every direction, 267 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.519 but it's not like you ever know. It's not like 268 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.240 there's a story being told here. 269 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.720 And it only gets worse when the predator shows up 270 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:44.240 because then he's camouflaged. The whole point is you don't 271 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.639 see him until he wants to see you, and it's 272 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.559 just now like it's all geography at all. Context is 273 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.440 lost because now they're shooting at something else. It's edited, 274 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.279 like you said, very poorly, very choppily edited. I guess 275 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.120 that's partly the time that this movie was made is 276 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.120 to blame, because that was the style of action picture 277 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:05.480 at the Yeah. 278 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.279 But but just the moments where Harrigan gets the car 279 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.759 in between the gunmen and the police the gunman at 280 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.440 that point all run into the building and then suddenly, 281 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.200 because they need them there again, they're there again. There's 282 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.080 like a whole other line of guy shooting so that 283 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:23.799 Harrogan can blow them all away. Speaking of which, Harrogan 284 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.799 gets behind a group of four gunmen who are firing 285 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.559 on his fellow officers, and he goes hey so that 286 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.320 they can all turn around, because it would be somehow 287 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:35.840 immoral to have shot these guys in the back. What 288 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.720 the fuck is happening? No, I don't know. 289 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:45.440 I love Danny Glover. I think he's perfect in the 290 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.679 lethal Weapon movies as the over the hill cop who's 291 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.600 too old for this shit. I don't think he was 292 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.240 right for this movie. As happy as I am that 293 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:58.000 an African American got the lead role in an action picture, 294 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:00.840 and I know he was psyched because of interviews where 295 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.360 he said he jumped at the chance for him to 296 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.279 go toe to toe with the predator and be a badass. 297 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:11.559 That's totally awesome, right on the problem is I maybe 298 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.880 he just wasn't Maybe he was directed a certain way. 299 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:19.960 He's often bellowing his lines and it's I don't know, 300 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.039 he just he's such a good traumatic actor, and he's 301 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.759 good as the sort of a buddy and a buddy 302 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.799 cop movie. I just don't think he was right here 303 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.359 because he just seems to be laboring all the time, 304 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.160 not laboring, and I'm too old for this shit, because 305 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.799 at no point is that actually spoken in this movie. Gratefully, 306 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:44.680 but I just didn't buy him as the hardened lieutenant 307 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:46.799 who's trying to keep it together in the midst of 308 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.599 this gang war. That what did you think? Father alone? 309 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.480 I think Schwarzenegger has a presence in action movies where 310 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.519 you don't need to know anything about the character because 311 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.880 it's Arnold Schwarzeneger. And in a case like this, where 312 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:01.880 we were dropped into a whole new movie with a 313 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:05.319 whole new set of characters, we need someone of equal standing. 314 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.640 I think Danny Glever could have been that had this 315 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.519 character been written a little bit better, had they given 316 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:16.480 us one scene of introspection or his home life or 317 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.440 anything at all that drives this man. Because I know 318 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.119 nothing about him, I began the movie the same way 319 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:23.880 I ended the movie as far as my knowledge of 320 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:30.039 this guy. Look, I'm not mister screenwriter. Screenplay tricks like, 321 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.680 I don't need a character arc necessarily. I don't have 322 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.160 a problem with the character beginning and ending the same place, 323 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.160 but I need to know something about them other than 324 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:38.559 he's really good at his job. 325 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.599 Oh you're going to say something. No, yeah, I remember 326 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:46.039 enjoying him when I saw it for the first time. 327 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.039 I thought it was pretty cool, it was interesting, it 328 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:49.480 was an action. 329 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.559 Let's talk you know before you go there, because you 330 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:54.759 brought up Stephen Hopkins. So I just want to double 331 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:56.599 back on him for a second, because in my mind 332 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:58.880 he was a good director, and rereading the list of 333 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:01.000 movies that he made, no, he is not, because he 334 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:03.440 made name Fordham Street, Dream Child, which is terrible. He 335 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:05.640 made this, which is pretty good, but it's only it's 336 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.720 good kind of despite him. Then he made the Judgment Night, 337 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:14.400 which hilariously HP I found myself watching about two weeks ago. Really, 338 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.000 it was just on. It was like one of those 339 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.920 Roku channel has a list of potential movies that are 340 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:21.519 playing right now, and he pressed the button and it 341 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:24.079 just starts and thuning. Oh, but I haven't seen Judgment Nights, 342 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:26.440 and since it was in theaters, I wonder if it 343 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.640 held up. Oh man, no, not at all. It is uttered. 344 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:32.079 Garbage soundtrack is still great. 345 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.119 I was gonna say the soundtrack is still awesome, but 346 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.759 I agree with you that it doesn't hold up. Another 347 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:39.160 movie that I liked at the time, and then I 348 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.480 rewatched it later and said, oh, this isn't so good. 349 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:45.759 Speaking of terrible movies, he follows that up with Blown Away, 350 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:49.839 the most adult one. But let me speak as an 351 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.119 Irish person here, the most let me speak as a 352 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.880 Boston Irish person here, the most insulting, IRA fucking knockoff, 353 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:00.400 bullshit movie. I've ever seen a movie where Jeff Bridge 354 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.000 jumps on a motorcycle in back Bay to drive to 355 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.759 the Esplanade and then somehow goes over the Longfellow Bridge. 356 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.440 Yeah, not a lot of geography there either. I actually 357 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.680 it's funny. I could have sworn that this was the 358 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.599 same director who did one of the Bill and Ted movies, 359 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.319 but I had him mixed up with Stephen Herrick. 360 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:24.440 Me nuts too, me the same thing. I thought, you 361 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.240 know what, I don't know much about this guy, but 362 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.160 I know he directed one of those Bill and Ted movies, 363 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.000 so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. 364 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:31.599 As I was watching and going is this guy a 365 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:34.960 bad director? Because this is not well directed at all? 366 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:38.319 The ghost and the darkness. Remember that, Remember Lost in 367 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:45.119 Space with Joey Tribiani. Yeah, in the gleap like merchandising monkey. 368 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.599 Yeah, that was the funny story. I came out. I 369 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.160 visited you in Vegas. It was my fortieth birthday. Do 370 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.680 you remember this? And I was staying. We were staying 371 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:57.480 at the Planet Hollywood Hotel, which I don't think is 372 00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:58.279 even still there. 373 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:00.799 Is it Planet Hollywood the hotel? 374 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:01.559 No? 375 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.920 What is it now? I think it's still Planet Hollywood. 376 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.160 I don't know. We were staying in the Lost in 377 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:07.880 Space room. 378 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:10.759 It had no Planet Hollywood as a restaurant is closed. 379 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.759 Planet Hollywood as a hotel is still there. 380 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:15.279 It's still there, Okay. Like I said, we every room 381 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.319 I think had a different theme, a different movie. And 382 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.720 we were in the Lost in Space room that had 383 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:22.279 a couple of props that were encased in loose sight 384 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:24.880 in a table or something, and it was, oh, okay, 385 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:26.519 it's Lost in Space with Gary Oldman. 386 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.000 All right, did it have Heathers? Did it have a 387 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:30.720 display of Heather Gram's will to live? 388 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:35.640 No? But yeah, I agree when I looked him up 389 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.319 and said, oh, this isn't the same guy I thought 390 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.759 he was. Because I thought this for years, probably until 391 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:43.319 fairly recently. I didn't know that it wasn't the same 392 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:46.359 guy from the Bill and Ted pictures. But this was. 393 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:50.279 It was not it was not directed. Well you know 394 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:55.680 he the actors performances are all over the place. The action, 395 00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:00.640 like we said, is not very interestingly done, and. 396 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:04.079 It's just just the costume choices alone in some cases. 397 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.440 Oh, we haven't even talked about Bill Paxton. So Bill 398 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:09.839 Paxton you mentioned him at the top. He's in this. 399 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:11.880 The thing is I love that he was in it 400 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:14.559 because we all were such fans of his back then 401 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:18.319