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Speaker 3: All right, Welcome in Monday edition of Off the Bench
Tyler Sharp. Here with you Matthew Musso and the co
host Sharon Landra, Villarriale Cassie Spizzali. If those are wondering
why we are both here and why I sound a
little Kermit the Froggy, well that's exactly why Musso's here.
I got really sick over the weekend. My voice was
kind of in and out, and I was like, I
got two options. I can either show up, try to
do it, and halfway through be like, Heylandra, I know
you're producing the show. Now you get to solo host
it as well. Let's throw everything on her. I didn't
think that was fair. I didn't want to have my
guy come up here this early either, but this was
the decision we made, so we are all here.
Speaker 4: Moose, how you doing this? Morning Man? Doing great Man?
Speaker 5: Nothing wrong with an early call to the book open
every now and then just to be safe. You know,
you can always take the picture out a little earlier
if you need to if things don't necessarily go the
way you think. So I'm doing great, fantastic sports weekend
here in Baton Rouge, and I'm fired to talk about
all of it with you.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit to talk about. Let's start it
like we do every day. The Let's go around the room,
a little bit of laundry. You were telling us before
the show. You certainly had a busy weekend. You had
a little little Kojoe action.
Speaker 4: How was that?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I wing to go see Cody Johnson Friday night.
A lot of fun. I'm seeing him a.
Speaker 7: Couple times before, so he's always great every time that
I see him. But okay, so before we get into
like any real stuff, Okay, I need to know where
y'all stand on this. This has been an internet debate
like all weekend.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, I'm already Okay.
Speaker 7: I need to know where y'all stand. I need to
know if y'all are delusional or not. Do you think
that if one hundred men went up against one gorilla,
that one hundred men whatever would be able to beat
that one gorilla.
Speaker 3: I saw this yesterday. Now, I think it depends people
are so confident. Is it one guy one after the
other one hundred times?
Speaker 4: Can all a hundred year I think it's up to
you with the technique.
Speaker 3: If all a hundred go at the same time, you're
gonna lose a lot of guys. I think eventually the
hundred guys do win. I think the just sheer numbers
like a gorilla, like you're probably twenty of them, probably
dying for sure, Yeah, But I think eventually the hundred
guys win.
Speaker 7: So if you're going to go into it, you have
to go into it like knowing and willing.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't.
Speaker 3: You can't have one of those guys like t Bob
that's going to talk the big game and then not
not go in. All a hundred have to be in
understanding that you could die. If you have a group
that's willing to do that, I think the guys come
out on top. It's only if the hundred can go
in there at once.
Speaker 5: Like if you're sending one guy in there solo against
the gorilla, they going to kill a hundred guys.
Speaker 4: But I mean eventually, I mean I think a hundred guy.
Speaker 6: Means you'll know how big and strong a girl.
Speaker 4: I get it, but yeah I do. I saw one
just around one time.
Speaker 6: Natural.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're supernatural.
Speaker 3: I mean you could give me, you could put me
against a hundred cats. I'm still gonna have a hard time.
I'm a lot stronger than one hundred cats. I mean
that's I mean that cats are scrappy, man, That's what
I'm saying though, like just just sheer numbers.
Speaker 4: I think you're you're not a guy. What do you think?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I really really I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Because like I can see, but I can also see
the launchers points.
Speaker 6: It's I it's too early for me to think about.
Speaker 4: Oh so how can find of a space?
Speaker 3: Because like, if you're in the wild, that gorilla is hiding, like,
you don't stand a chance. But if you're like in
a room maybe this big, it's an all out braw
but eventually you're gonna get the grill.
Speaker 5: Say it's like the Roman Coliseum, then I think you
have a fighting chance if you're in the jungle.
Speaker 4: No, but I also think this is really a guy
thing where guys are always just gonna say.
Speaker 6: You'll probably.
Speaker 5: Land absolutely not. No, no, there's no chance I'm landing
that plane. And well, let me refra I've landed.
Speaker 3: There were just I mean everybody who does well, yeah,
that's I just put the plane on the ground.
Speaker 4: Actually I can put the plane on the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what shape it's going to be
in when it gets there, but poor No, anyway, I.
Speaker 4: Saw this last night. Victoria assuwed me this.
Speaker 3: Obviously, it's a big topic for girls, which I just
think is really funny. I think if they all charge
it once, I think eventually like you're gonna lose a
lot of guys. And I think twenty thirty of them
they're done for.
Speaker 7: But so to tie it back to this weekend in baseball,
I tweeted out that video of Ariel Antigua like kind
of drawing at Bear Jones, and somebody quoted it. This
is like the funniest thing I saw.
Speaker 6: Somebody quoted it and they.
Speaker 7: Were like, me to the girl after I watched it,
tear ninety nine other dudes, Wait.
Speaker 6: That's so funny.
Speaker 3: I saw the other one that said, uh, Lucia trying
to pick a fight with t Boh.
Speaker 4: That's where you were going. I found that hilarious. That
was really really well done, well done.
Speaker 3: I also really appreciated that one as well. All right, look,
we got a lot to get into. Let's go ahead
and get this show started.
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Speaker 1: Now for starters.
Speaker 3: All right, big sports weekend here in Louisiana. None bigger
in LSU baseball versus the Tennessee Volunteers. Obviously, You're Tigers
get a two to one series win. And it started
out with a lot of craziness. Game one, one of
those crazy games you'll talk about for years, right, I mean,
you had a rain delay which caused the first pitch
of pretty close to ten pm, and it was everything
you hoped for. It was Kate Anderson, it was Liam Doyle.
I mean Anderson seven and a third, two earned runs,
three walks, eleven strikeouts. Liam Doyle he goes six and
two thirds, zero runs, three walks, six k's.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: LSU down three to nothing in the ninth inn and
then the magic happened.
Speaker 4: Moves.
Speaker 3: I'm obviously gonna get you in a laundra stolets. But
like Dalton Beck, he comes in I think it was
five at bats on the season heading into Friday night.
Speaker 4: He gets a two RBI single that makes it three
to two.
Speaker 3: Derek Curiel, who was phenomenal all weekend long, he has
an RBI that makes it three to three, and then
Jared Jones the three run home run in the bottom
of the ninth like out of the stadium, straight away center,
one of the furthest home runs I've seen hit in
this stadium. Tigers win that first game six to three.
I know you were in the stadium of Launders following
it closely, like both of you guys, maybe like where
does that game rank for you is in terms of
like crazy games you've seen in Tiger Stadium?
Speaker 5: Top ten fairly easily, I mean, and I've seen a
lot of ball games in the old box, in the
new box.
Speaker 4: I mean, any really like big game Markie Deal.
Speaker 5: From the time that I was born to now, I've
you know, been in contact with in some type and
that one is right up there. It just I don't
know the it's not even that that was a tale
of two games. How was the tale of eight innings
and then your one inning. LSU was no hit for
five and two thirds innings in the ball game. And
then Jared Jones, you know, bloops a single into centerfield
in the sixth and you still really couldn't get anything
going after that. Ethan Fry with the grounder to third
and he busted down the line and Dean Curley froze
it high and he's safe. And as soon as that happened,
you hear about it all the time, the magic of
the box or the box being haunted or anything. But
as soon as he threw that ball high and let
you remember again, LS, she was no hit for five
and two thirds. They had nothing going offensively that night.
Credit Liam Doyle, credit Tanner Franklin credit Night Snead up
to that point. But once that happened, something just changed
and you could feel it in the air, you could
feel it in that stadium, and the energy was back.
Speaker 4: He again, Curly would commit another error.
Speaker 5: You mentioned Dalton Beck, which I mean, that was an awesome,
awesome moment there.
Speaker 3: It was one of those like ballsy moves when it's
like you're either gonna look like an idiot or you're
gonna look like a genius.
Speaker 4: And itked out perfectly. It didn't look he gave Jay
gave Dalton Beck a pinch hit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, late in the game against Alabama, he popped up,
so you know he comes into that. But the one
thing about Dalton Beck is that's a guy who rewrote
record books. That incarnate word was the player of the
year in his conference. Could have gone really anywhere when
he decided to transfer and he picked Lsu And as
Jay put it after the game, he kind of recruited Lsu.
Speaker 4: He wanted to be here.
Speaker 5: That's a guy you never have to worry about, you know,
is he uncomfortable in his role or is he not
gonna be ready in the moment is called upon. And
the one thing I'll say about Dalton Beck is what
I've said literally since fall in preseason. He hits the
ball hard. He's got a lot of power, and he
hits the ball hard. He took a ninety five mile
power fast ball off at one of the best relievers
in the SEC and drove it one oh seven back
up the middle. And after that, man, you felt really
really good because the energy was way back. Derek Curriel,
I mean the single shocker, and then how can you
not just be extremely excited for Bear Jones. The guy
was I mean, I think he had three. He was
three for his last twenty four in conference play. Well,
I guess he had a fourth hit with the break
of the no hitter, but you know the slump that
he was in, and he was down in the count,
a two strike count, and he ended up eating it up,
got a mistake and just drove it and he took
out two weeks of frustration on that baseball, And you're right, yeah,
four fifty two. I think that's the third ball I've
seen hit over the batter's eye. Tommy White had one,
Sonny de Sheriff from Auburn had one, and then Jared Jones.
So I he etched his name permanently in the lure
of that stadium on Friday night, and it was. It
was an awesome moment when LSU needed it most.
Speaker 4: As far as.
Speaker 3: Game two goes moves site the emotions of game one,
you come back, you drop Game two.
Speaker 4: Tennessee wins nine to three. Look at the picture's duel.
Speaker 3: Early it was two to nothing falls heading into the seventh,
Milam had a solo home run. Bra as well had
a solo home run. You're right there at that point.
That makes it three to two. Tennessee got hot in
the eighth though they played six runs, and maybe like, okay,
Ianson's been good all year long, right, I mean it's
it's five two thirds, two runs, four walks, eight strikeouts.
We've seen that from Anthony Hinson all year. It's another
bad outing by Chase Schorzo Man. I mean you pulled him.
You know, he didn't start last weekend. You put him
out of the pin in Game three last weekend. He
didn't do well this weekend. One inning, four earned runs, one.
Speaker 4: Walk, no case.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's obviously not your your Game three starter.
What can Chase Shores' role be on this team? Because
not only is he not starting, he doesn't looked good.
And two relief appearances in a row.
Speaker 5: Yeah, two very different relief appearances too, because he ended
up coming in in the seventh inning and getting the
last out and doing a nice job stranding some runners.
So you're obviously gonna put him back out there, especially
after you score two runs. You need the shut down
zero there. I don't blame them for putting him back
out in that spot. I mean, it makes sense the
guy who's given you a lot this year, but it's
just it just hasn't clicked yet. And the free passes
have been a big issue for him all year.
Speaker 4: And when he.
Speaker 5: Stuff is sharp, when it's crisp coming out of his hand,
when it's on, it's great, and you know what, he
had a little bit extra on the sinker, but even
with it hitting triple digits, I think four times, the
swinging miss just hasn't been there for Chase Shoures and
it there was not a lot of swinging miss is
freshman year before he got hurt, and the swing and
miss still lacks. That's what's gonna have to ultimately take
him to the next level, is there has to be
more swinging miss there. You'll keep running him out there,
but I don't think he will be in any type
of real leverage spot. I mean, I know, obviously in
that seventh in the eighth, that's that's a huge spot
in the ballgame.
Speaker 4: So like I.
Speaker 5: Understand that, but also LSU at any point if they
wanted to in that eighth inning, down one run could
have gone to Case and Evans could have gone to
Zach Cowen. They understood where they were in the series
and what was coming Game three for Tennessee pitching wise
to where you had a little bit of a luxury
and your offense was scuffling up to that point as well.
You had two runs on three hits. So when I
look at that game Saturday, I look at the offense, Taylor,
because your bullpen held the line like the middle of
your bullpen, not Cowen, not in the million open, held
the line for as long as they could against a really,
really good Tennessee lineup. You held them to three runs
through seven innings. You're right there in the game. LSU
pitching as a whole had one bad inning this whole weekend,
and it was that eighth inning. If you take that out,
I'm not saying like take it out, it didn't happen.
Speaker 4: It happened.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, if you look at the other twenty
five innings, because you didn't play twenty seven, because you
didn't play the ninth. So if you look at the
other twenty five, LSU gave up seven earned runs all weekend.
Speaker 4: You gave up six in that one inning.
Speaker 5: The other twenty five you had a two five two ERA,
and that's not just you know, you're not just using five.
Speaker 4: Pitchers like you did at Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: So you pitched well enough, more than well enough to
win this series. And that I look at that and
I go, that's encouraging going forward for LSU.
Speaker 4: On the mound. The offense just wasn't there for you
on Saturday, and.
Speaker 5: Again it really for eight innings on Friday and then
nine innings on Saturday. I mean, you had seventeen innings
where they had outplayed you pretty handedly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I had talked about it
heading into the series. A Launder had talked about it
as well, like we were more concerned about LSU's bats
against the Tennessee staff, not the other way around. And
because we had talked about, you know, how good this
pitching staff had been. Your relief pitching as big of
a question mark as it was early in SEC played
the last two or three weeks, it had been good
about this one home run for Tennessee all weekend long.
That was that was the big thing LSU seven. So,
I mean, you completely flipped that. You were talking about
the bats being you know, cold for pretty much the
majority of Game one and two. A different story in
Game three your bats came alive. You win a twelve
to two game a run rule in eight innings. Look,
we know the bats were hot early and often. More importantly,
you may have found a Game three starter. I want
your thoughts on this, and when the Launder's thoughts on this,
Cason Evans was awesome. There's been a lot of discussion
of do you put an Evans or a Cowen in
Game three? Do you keep them in the bullpen because
they're so valuable there? I mean, I'll let you go first.
What are your thoughts on Evans possibly in that Game
three role?
Speaker 5: Casein Evans was phenomenal. He was on Sunday and he
got into trouble early, but dude, after that five innings nothing.
Speaker 4: Which is understandable.
Speaker 5: That is not just his first SEC start, that is
his first career start, and it is in a rubber
match against the defending champs, in a massive, massive spot
for your season.
Speaker 4: And he was awesome.
Speaker 5: I mean six innings, he struck out six yd in
walk any body he got eighteen.
Speaker 4: I was like, he was great.
Speaker 5: I fully expect when LSU to announce their rotation for
Texas A and M for it to be Kate Anderson,
Anthony Iinsen and TBA And here's why, And I think
it's the right call.
Speaker 4: You're playing a numbers game right now.
Speaker 5: You need to get to nineteen or twenty sec wins,
and you need to do that one game at a
time anyway possible. If you need Zach Cowen to go
three innings for you on Friday Night behind Kate Anderson
to close out a tight game in Colle Station, you
do that. If you have a chance to win the
ball game Saturday in the same fashion and you need
Case and Evans to go do that, you do it,
and then you worry about Sunday when you get there.
If you can win those first two games using those guys,
that keeps you right on pace for twenty and ten
and you roll forward.
Speaker 4: Is there?
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying there's never a spot for Case
and Evans to start again, but it's a spot start
like you saw.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess it's one of those things like you mentioned,
like if you win the games and you don't use him,
great start.
Speaker 4: Them on the sit right and you're in a fantastic spot.
Speaker 5: You use him to win games, but you use him
to win the game at hand, which is what you
did on Sunday. Now, because you won Friday night, you
had a little bit of leeway, you needing to win
one out of two, and that can make that a
little bit easier. But I don't expect LS to announce
a third starter for the rest of the year. What's
great about what happened to Cason Evans though, is that's
great experience for the postseason where you potentially will need
him to spot start again to where you know, if
you say you you you say you're in like a
a regional format and you go to and oh and
you don't have to use him, Okay, Well, then you
can start him in that game through regional final and
you coast yourself into a super regional.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: So that's It's not that I think you found your
third starter. I think you found your your playing You've
established your plan going forward, and again I think we've
seen enough sample from Jay Johnson now in four years
that he's operated like that already before, and I expect
him to operate that again.
Speaker 3: I think it's the right call, Landre before we get
a break. You've been adamant about whether it's cal Win
or Evans, like keeping the bullpen kind of like Mussa
was talking about, do you still feel that way though?
Speaker 4: Do you want Evans in game three?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 6: I think it was more like Zach Cowen.
Speaker 7: You really couldn't because that's your best arm out of
the pin, Cason Evans. I would love to keep him
in relief if we had to or if we could,
But like, I mean, it worked perfectly this weekend, and
I'm kind of with Moose where like you just got
to kind of keep it TBA and if you need
to use him in relief Friday or Saturday, go ahead
and use him. But if you're gonna save him for
so they even do it like the kid went out
there and pitched lights out. He's he's like incredible light
starting or closing.
Speaker 6: It's insane. Well what it was he was a freshman.
Speaker 3: What did Jay say earlier this year when case it
Evans pitches, you win games?
Speaker 4: Right? I mean that's and that that's come to fruition.
Speaker 3: So whether it's whether it's in the bullpen coming out,
whether it's whether it's it's a start and like Mussot
Laundras alluding to, you're gonna use him any way you
need to to get to the nineteen wins that Musa
was talking about.
Speaker 4: One more thing real quick, So I know we have
to get a break.
Speaker 5: But this is also the point in the season where
I'd really start to watch case and Evans because he.
Speaker 4: Now is at let me find him.
Speaker 5: Hold on, He's at thirty three and he's pitched. That's
only gonna keep going up, especially if he gets more starts,
and you could run the risk of him and up.
Speaker 4: You know, does he tire out throwing playing the longest.
Speaker 5: Season he's ever played, at his many innings every play,
He's still in a great spot at thirty three. But
this is the time where I would start to watch
him as his role evolves.
Speaker 3: Look, there's a lot to keep an eye on. Case
it Evans is all the team, the third starter.
Speaker 4: What are they gonna do? But look, great weekend for LSU.
Speaker 3: You take two out of three against Tennessee, you got
Southeastern tomorrow night, and then a tough series on the
road in College Station against Texas A and m A.
Speaker 4: Right, we're going to take a time out. We get back.
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Speaker 1: It's Off the Bench with Hester and Tea.
Speaker 4: Bob Welcome back.
Speaker 3: In Monday edition of Off the Bench, It's not Hester
and t Bop today, it's Taylor and Musso here with
you for the next few hours or so.
Speaker 4: The New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 3: Wrapped up their twenty twenty five draft on Saturday. Look,
we talked about Kelvin Banks on Friday, the first round pick.
They took him nine overall, the left tackle out of Texas.
I guess everyone's kind of thoughts on that was it
wasn't a sexy pick, but it's one.
Speaker 4: That needed to happen. Right.
Speaker 3: He played over twenty seven hundred snaps at left tackle,
gave up five sacks in three years. He also has
a little bit of versatility. Helps you a lot with
Talisa Fuaga. Right when Fuaga came in, he knew he
could play left tackle, right tackle, He could play guard
if you needed, which is good because you need help
everywhere on the offensive line. Really, you got two tackles
and he got a center. I still think you need
help at guard, but they went a long way into
shoring up that Saints offensive line.
Speaker 1: Moose.
Speaker 3: The talk of today is obviously going to center around
the Saints second round draft pick, where they took Tyler
Shuck forty overall. This is one where people have a
lot of mixed feelings about. Look, he was a late
riser this year. Every year in the draft there is
a quarterback or any other position that teams fall in
love with he.
Speaker 4: Rises up draft boards. Tyler Shuck was that guy this year.
Speaker 3: He was productive his final season in college, and he
had multiple injuries, but two of them were broken collar
bone on a non throwing shoulder. He's bounced back from that.
He's twenty six years old, and a lot of people
have cautioned on no, but my thought is, look, this
is a guy that you think could be your potential
franchise quarterback for the next ten years.
Speaker 4: That puts him in only thirty six years old.
Speaker 3: Like I don't really care about age as much with
quarterbacks as I do other positions. Can he start right away?
Is the thing that everybody's looking at. What were your
thoughts on the pick of Tyler Shock.
Speaker 5: I mean, I liked I think we all expected him
to take a quarterback, you know, in this draft, and look,
you mentioned late riser, and you're right, there are always
It's easy to kind of see why he was one.
I mean, the size stands out down six six five twenty.
He's got a massive arm. The thing that's going to
be interesting with him though, is, while yes, he's very
productive the decision making, he kind of knows he has
a massive arm and tries to show that off sometimes.
So that's gonna be something that but you know, the
same stuff to work with, But you can coach that
like you can coach better decision making. I would trust
a guy like Kellen Moore to do that. What I'm
really interested in though Taylor, is if they do believe
he is their franchise quarterback, and I'm not sold on
that yet. I like the pick, I like the player.
The injuries concerned me more than the age, but I
think when you combine both of them, that's where it
can kind of become.
Speaker 4: The overall concern for him.
Speaker 5: Is the guy's you know, especially going into an organization
like the Saints, who the last two years have just
been a mash unit. But so that that part does
bother me, and I think when you combine them it
comes a much bigger concern. But as far as on
the field, everything's there that you want from arm streams
and he's got a little bit of athleticism in there
as well for a big guy. So, I mean, I
like the pick. I don't know if they believe he's
their franchise quarterback. Jury is still out for that on me,
because you're gonna have a really good quarterback class next season.
And it wouldn't surprise me, given the Derek Carr situation,
which you've seen from Spencer Rallery, if Tyler Shutt gets
run this season for the New Orleans Saints and you
get a little bit of an eval and with a
better quarterback class next year, you could see them right
back in the market in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Well, so that's the thing, Like, whether they believe he's
a franchise quarterback or not, he's gonna get a shot
to go in there and start. I mean, this is
a wide open quarterback room, especially with the car injury.
A few things that people that they have kind of
pointed out about Tyler Shock. They're like, Okay, well, Louisville
lost a bunch of games they shouldn't have.
Speaker 4: Not really.
Speaker 3: I mean three of the four games they loss where
to rank teams. Two of them playoff teams SMU and Clemson.
Look in those four four games that they lost ten touchdowns,
three interceptions, So it wasn't like he was bad in
any of those games. And you know, to your point
about the size and everything, he has everything you would want.
And people want to mention. Okay, the injuries. He's been
in college for a number of years, put in three
different programs, whether it was Oregon, Texas Tech, or Louisville.
He's gonna have to learn an offense here quickly in
New Orleans. He played in a lot of different offenses
in college. I imagine that's something that's actually going to
help him. So look, we'll see with Tyler Shock. That's
obviously going to be a point of conversation on this
station right here all day long. As far as the
draft as a whole, before we go to break, we
do have to get the Ross Jackson at seven thirty,
maybe favorite pick, best value pick in the draft.
Speaker 4: Where do you kind of sit on that? Man?
Speaker 5: I love the Danny Stutson pick. I really really do that.
I mean, first of all, you talk about a guy
veteran who's played a lot of football, like a.
Speaker 4: Lot of experience.
Speaker 5: Guy started thirteen games in twenty twenty two, twelve and two.
Speaker 4: He's twelve Morgan in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: So he's very durable as well, not just the experience
with very durable. Three straight one hundred tackle seasons and
all American can run sideline to sideline. He's just a
football like, he's football player. He's a football guy, is
who Danny Stutsman is and I love bringing him in.
He can learn behind the Mario Davis for a minute
or two, and really I think he can push for
playing times as well in the rotation with the Saints linebackers.
That that feels like when you think value, Danny Stutsman
kind of screams value to me later and later in
the draft.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, just a man.
Speaker 5: If a guy's got a motor and he can go
out there and make tackles and he's not afraid to
make tackles, he can play for me any day of
the week.
Speaker 4: And that's Danny Sutsman. Well, I mean he's also six
four and thirty five pounds. That doesn't hurt. That's not
gonna hurt one.
Speaker 3: Also, look we talk about okay, well the Mario Davis
is getting up there in ah yeah, but he's still
a really productive player. Danny Stutsman has a chance to
learn right next to a guy like a Demorrio Davis
who has been that consumment professional. He can kind of
teach him the way, and Stutsman could take over that
spot as soon as the Mario Davis decides that he's
hanging it up.
Speaker 4: I love the Studsman pick as well.
Speaker 3: The one for me, you know it is going to
be Devin Neil, the running back you took in round
six out of Kansas. You and I were talking about
this the other day in the hallway of how deep
the running back class was in this twenty twenty five
NFL draft, and I think you saw that a lot
of running backs and went off the board. Look, he
started twelve games last year, almost thirteen hundred yards sixteen touchdowns.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: The all time leading rusher at Kansas in rushing yards,
rushing touchdowns, and career one hundred yard games.
Speaker 4: He was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Three straight one thousand yard seasons. That's the first time
that was done in program history. Against everyone's favorite team,
the Colorado Buffaloes, he had two hundred and seven yards
and three touchdowns. I mean, he was just he was
good whenever they needed it. This was a team that
had a lot of talent, but Jaylen Daniels got injured
a lot. They had to rely on that running game,
and Devin Neil stepped up time and time again. Look
whether it's Devin Neil, Danny Stutsman, Jonas Sanker, the safety Enna,
Virginia solid pick, Vernon Broughton. You and I were talking
about him, the d lineman out of Texas, sixty five
three and fifteen pounds right there in the middle. We've
obviously talked about Tyler Shock. I mean, there's a lot
to go around. What I like about this class is
it wasn't necessarily a flashy one, but you, outside of
wide receiver, you fit every one of your needs. You
had so many needs, and he pretty much drafted a
player at every one of those positions of need. All right,
we're going to take a time out. When we get back.
Ross Jackson's gonna hop on with us. He nailed that
Kelvin Banks pick. As far as the Saints first round
pick at number nine. We're gonna get his thoughts on
the class as a whole. That's coming up here on
the other side, on off the bench, Off the bench.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to more sports talk.
Speaker 2: What's some other stuff mixed in Off the Bench with
Hester and t Bomb.
Speaker 3: Welcome back in a Monday edition of Off the Bench,
Tayler Trump here with you, Matthew Musso and the host
chair as well a Londra Villa Real Cassie's Bazalarly. We
are hanging out with you today. Go out to the
phone lines right now. Ross Jackson, hop it on. You'll
hear him locked on Saints Louisiana Sports dot Net.
Speaker 4: He is all over the place. Ross, How are you today? Heybody,
I'm doing great man things would having me on?
Speaker 10: Hope you're having a good Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Look we're all a bit under the weather, Ross, when
we are powering through it. I want to congratulate you.
You nailed the Kelvin Banks pick at number nine.
Speaker 4: Overall. You put out that mock draft.
Speaker 3: You know, it was about two o'clock, three o'clock Thursday afternoon,
and I'm looking at it and I'm like, Okay, Ross
has Ross's kelvinbanksumber nine. I hadn't seen that A ton
and then boom they pick it, like maybe.
Speaker 4: What what what ultimately led you to that decision?
Speaker 10: Well, I think some of it is good information. You know,
I'll give credit where credits due. I think the other
part of it is kind of following the break crumbs
of what it is that Kellen Moore has effectively been saying,
really since before he was a new Lend Things head coach.
We go all the way back to where you know,
a woman was following him around all super Bowl week
and everything, and he talked a lot about, you know,
if it were his choice, you know, he'd throw you know,
fifty something times a game and all that, but like
the game is one in the trenches, and all of
a sudden the conversation turned into you know, building from
the inside out and winning the game with a lot
of discrimage and all these other things. And so the
last kind of piece of it was during that Nikulams
presser on Wednesday, when nik Li Miss was talking about
how the Saints wanted to make sure that with the
top ten selection that they're not necessarily drafting I'm paraphrasing,
but that they're not necessarily looking to draft a you know, project,
They're looking to draft somebody that's ready, So that's going
to contribute for eight, nine, ten years of what he
talked about and just kind of following the breadcrumbs from
that and then some good information in terms of, you know,
the prospects that were the right prospects. Calvin Banks just
felt like the right guy from where things were going,
and turns up that's where the Saints ended up gone.
Speaker 3: As far as the pick that everyone's going to be
talking about is Tyler Shuk in the second round, the quarterback.
Everyone was waiting for the Saints to make a move
at that position. What are your expectations for Shockyer one
in New Orleans?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look, I think he starts in twenty
twenty five. I think he's Kellen Moore's guy. I think
he's the player that I mean you don't invest that highly.
I guess there's three elements to it. There's the there's
the he's the highest quarterback has ever been drafted since
nineteen seventy. We know nineteen seventies when they drafted Party Manning.
He's the highest drafted quarterback in the Mickey Loomis era.
And this is the first time, whether it be Hazlet
whether it be Peyton, whether it be Dennis Allen, that
this is the first time that a head coach under
Mickey Limbis has gone out and drafted his quarterback right,
And so I think all of that just kind of
points to why, wait, it doesn't feel like things with
Derek Carr are headed towards any you know, position of
resolution that that you know results in him being a
New Orleans Saint in twenty twenty five, or at least
on the field in twenty twenty five. And so with that,
I feel like you're probably not going to ask the
twenty six year old rookie to wait very long, right,
I think you're going to end up turning things over
to them. And there's a good chance that happens here
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: Ross.
Speaker 5: How does he fit in Kellen Moore's offense? And we
hear so much about more. I mean, look, he's played
kind of, you know, a couple of different types of quarterback,
whether it be in Dallas or Sandy of Sandygo, Los
Angeles or Philly.
Speaker 4: How does Shuck kind of kind of fit into what
Moore wants to do? Why? Like, why is he guy?
Speaker 10: Yeah? I think the thing's always really interesting about like
the Kellen Moore offense is how much it changes to
fit the talent. And so I think it's more so
that Kellen Moore must have seen something that he believed
in when it came to Tyler Shuck as a quarterback
and then understands that he can build around that. I
guess I guess I'm not too crazy in saying that
like Shuck is a little bit more of the Justin
Herbert flash Dak Prescott mold in that he's not, you know,
as mobile and not as much of a dual threat
as Jalen Hurts is, but he's a lot more mobile
than he's given credit for, kind of like Dak Prescott
and Justin Herbert. So I guess maybe he fits in
the offenses in the way that those guys fit. But
I think the biggest thing when I asked Kellen Moore
after night too in his post raft press conference about
what it is that stood out to him about Tyler
Shuck that maybe we don't you know, isn't so easy
to spot in terms of the physical traits and things
like that. One of the things that he talked about
was this pre snap mind right, his ability to make checks,
get in and out of plays, make adjustments with the
line of scrimmage, and read defenses. And so I think
that's really the thing that maybe fits best in Kellen
Moore's offense because when you have a quarterback that can
do that and that you trust to do that, and
Kellen Moore wants set to be a part of his offense,
it opens up the playbook entirely for you in terms
of being able to have multiple calls as a line
of scrimmage, being able to make these adjustments and things
like that. I think that's the way that he fits,
is that he allows Kellen Moore's offense to be both
balanced and versatile at the same time based on what
he can do before this map. I think the big
arm helps. I think the four six, three forty speed
helps too. You can run the play action, you can
run the RPOs with them, all those other things. I
think he just kind of opens up the possibilities for
Kellen Moore if I'm trying to look at it through
Kellen Moore's lens.
Speaker 5: Ross another one another go I'd love a take on
from you, would be excuse me, would be the safety
Jonas Sanker because I look at this and I go, Okay, man,
that feels like a really good pick. And then when
I look at kind of the success the Saints have
had on Day two and even later drafting safeties under
Mickey Loomis, whether it be CJ. Garner, Johnson, Marcus Williams,
even Von Bell, it seems like they have a pretty
good eye for those guys later in the draft, and
Sanker looks like he could just be next in line.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, look, the
Saints going into this draft had used six Day two
selections in the last ten years on defensive backs. In
Day two and you know, now you can make it
seven of eleven, right, I mean, they followed their trends
on both sides. Say what trenches they won? They went
to the secondary in Day two at some point, and
I think that what Sanker does is that he gives
you a really, really outstanding safety that can play close
to Alana Scrimmage. The things kind of did this thing
with Tyrone Matthew over the course of the past couple
of years that I don't think did Matthew much justice,
and they kept playing him super close to Alana Scrimmage.
Which I don't think is the worst place for him,
but I do think that he's better probably in the
middle of the field kind of freelancing a little bit,
like let the veteran be the veteran. Let him go
out there and do what it is that he does.
And I think that what Sanker gives you as a
player that you can immediately plug into a role of
like a traditional strong safety, kind of like what they
started to do with Will Harris before the injuries kind
of gotten the way for what his season turned into
a twenty twenty five. It's the hamstring and drink, and
so I think that that's where Sanker ends up helping you.
He's a solid tackler, really good instinctive player, understands run
fits and how to get involved in the run game.
Not the deep coverage safety guy, but somebody that maybe
can develop in that ever a little bit. But I
like the fact that he's the guy that can play
closer down to the line of scrimmage that you can
utilize guys like Twer Matthew and or Justin reed in
sort of those deep safety situations.
Speaker 3: Wells going back to the offense a little bit, you know,
last segment we were talking about our favorite picks in
the draft or really good value picks. A guy I
look at is look, in the sixth round, you grab
running back Devin Neil out of transition, and then when
you look at this running back room, I mean you
have Kamara, you have Clatte Edwards, Hilaire. You don't really
know what you're going to get out of Kendre Miller.
He's been injured, like Devin Neil has a shot to
potentially come in and get you some significant snaps.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that pick?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's important that that
disc coaching staff just slight. They went out and got
their quarterback, went out and got a hand picked running back.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 10: Doesn't necessarily saddle them with this running back to the
future being a sixth round collection, but it is something
that you look at and you go, Okay, well, this
is the evaluation of this coaching staff.
Speaker 7: That added him.
Speaker 10: And so I think that that's what a lot of
this draft class was. I mean, they hit almost every
position group outside of maybe one of the position groups
that needed to hit most, but they ended up hitting
almost every position group and it kind of shows you
a little bit of kind of the quiet rebuild that
this tract less represents. Even though the Saints would never
say that to that that way, I'm saying it that way,
but I think devan Neille represents the part of that.
He's a guy that comes in and effectively gives you,
like your staffs selection at a really important position. It's
what It's been hyper productive too. I mean, he led
Kansas in rushing touchdowns, rushing yards and thousand excuse me,
one hundred plus rushing yard games, had over a thousand
yards in each of the last three season, sixteen touchdowns,
rushing touchdowns in the last two seasons, just in each
last two seasons. I mean, just an incredible, highly productive
player despite only carrying the ball one hundred and ninety
times per season. So I have a lot of tread
on the tires despite all of that production that he's
done over four three hundred rushing yards in his career
and he's been durable. Think is yosing And that's another
trend throughout this draft class. Guys is nine for nine.
Every single one of these players has at least forty
games of college experience. Eight for nine. Not a single
one ended up missing more than four games in a season,
Tyler Shuff being the only example. These guys are durable,
and these guys are experienced, and I think Devin Neil
is the perfect fit of that for a running back
in this class as well.
Speaker 4: Ross.
Speaker 5: I actually can't believe that it took me, especially this
long to ask you this.
Speaker 4: How shocked are you they made all nine picks?
Speaker 5: I mean, did they locked Mickey Loomis in a broom
closet and take his phone away.
Speaker 10: On Vicky talked about that after the draft too, and
he was like, look, we talked about it, okay, but
we just didn't do it. And actually I think it
was the right thing. I think that's what they need
to do. This is the first time that they've made
that many selections. Nine selections in twenty fifteen. Now, to
be honest, a twenty fifteen draft wasn't great, so you're
hoping for a better, better result from this one. But
I do think that that was necessary. That was the
situation for New Orleans, or this draft rather was a
situation for New Orleans that they needed to go in
there and try to address every position. They needed to
go in there and maximize all of their selections so
that the quarterback pick made sense. Right. If you traded
three or four of those picks to go and take
the quarterback, then all of a sudden you're in a
very different situation. The other thing that I really like
about it is that they just kind of stat back
and let the draft come to them. They didn't make moves,
and they not only made every selection in this year,
but they maintained all the selections for twenty twenty six
that they walked into the draft with. And I think
that that was really important for them too. So another
acknowledgement that, you know, I think that they understand kind
of what this draft class is the part of for
the future of this team.
Speaker 3: Roch's real quick, before we get you out of here,
kind of what grade do you give this draft class
as a whole.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna be honest, I'm terrible with draft grades. Yeah,
so I always kind of default to this, So I'm
telling on myself before I make a pick. I'm going
to say it's a C draft class. And the reason
why I say it's to see draft class is because
the position at which you took the biggest risk is
the biggest position on the field. That's quarterback, right, So
I think we have to acknowledge that, and that's going
to be and with every draft class in which you
take a quarterback in the top fifty, your entire draft
class is going to be success or failure based upon
what happens with that quarterback. And so I think everything
ends up hinging on Tyler Shuck. But I like a
lot of the other selections. Danny Stetsman, the linebacker out
of Oklahoma, Quincy Riley, that's a starter quality line cornerback
excuse me, out of Louisville that you got in Day three.
Fidil Diggs being drafted at the very end of this
draft is somebody that can absolutely be a situational pass
rusher for you. And Fitz Brandon's Daily's defensive bolt so well.
So I like all of those things, but I think
the biggest risk happening at the biggest position just kind
of knocks it down to average for me, and then
we got to see how the rest of it all
plays that.
Speaker 3: Ross Jackson, host of Lockdown Sane. You can also hear
his stuff and see a lot of his stuff at
Louisiana sports dot Net.
Speaker 4: Thanks for hopping on with us. This morning.
Speaker 10: Thank you guys piciously say to you soon later.
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna take a quick time out we
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Speaker 1: Off the Bench and with Hester and T.
Speaker 3: Bob Bad News, guys, got a mad wifey. We got
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I have a sore throat, headache, fever, body aches, which
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my fault that Victoria got sick. But like I guess,
like my thought.
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thought is like they cannot ever be sick.
Speaker 4: If I well, don't I don't miss a ton of
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but y'all are dramatic as.
Speaker 4: Oh I am the worst patient? Are you ever? Usually?
Speaker 5: I can imagine I'm usually okay, not funded.
Speaker 3: The argument that me and Victoria have had is she's like, well,
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Speaker 4: How is that going to help you? Like we live together,
so it's like.
Speaker 3: What is what's actually going to But look, whatever we'll see,
it's uh, it's not been a good day of work,
probably won't ever be good when we go home either,
speaking of us spouses that are not happy. Landree, you
put a Bill Belichick link in there? What is this
you wanted us like blind reaction?
Speaker 7: I'my'replexed by this whole situation.
Speaker 6: It's just a little weird to me.
Speaker 7: Just to preface this with I don't know if y'all remember,
but like a couple of weeks ago we talked about
this beforehand, but a couple of weeks ago, there was
a video that was also going around of them at
a UNC practice and she's just like out on the
field doing stuff like acting like she's part of the staff.
Speaker 6: Which maybe she is, but I don't know.
Speaker 7: So I saw I came across this extremely awkward interview
that Bill Belichick had with I don't know what this is.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Sunday morning, something Sunday Morning, CBS Sunday Morning. I don't know,
so very awkward, and then they asked this question. It
just like, I don't know. Here, you'll just watch this.
Speaker 1: Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world seems to
be following this relationship.
Speaker 6: What shirt, by the way, about your private life.
Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested
in it.
Speaker 4: How do you deal with that?
Speaker 10: Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks, Just
to try to do what I feel like is that's
for me?
Speaker 4: And what's right? How did you guys meet not talking
about this?
Speaker 1: No, no, it's a topic. Neither one of them is
comfortable commenting on.
Speaker 6: Okay, And like the the interview.
Speaker 7: Goes on and on and it just gets more awkward
and more awkward, and Bill Belichick seems so uncomfortable.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't know. That was just.
Speaker 4: Moose what I had seen. It led to you meeting
that you just don't want to talk. I have no
idea quote that's what.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's he's like.
Speaker 4: Meeting on a plane. Seems innocent enough, Like.
Speaker 6: Remember he like signed her book and they talked about how.
Speaker 3: We Also he's wearing he's wearing a navy sweatshirt which
literally looks like it is from World War Two.
Speaker 4: He has multiple holes in it. But that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a Belichick stock. Yeah, but the whole
we're not talking about this type of thing. Like listen,
Bill Belichick's the main character in this Jordan like no offense, right,
Belichick is is one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 4: You just happened to be his girlfriend at the moment.
Speaker 3: Like, let's let's not act like mister you were talking
about like it's it's not the it's it's not Hard Knocks,
but it's like the college edition and it's following. She's
like the executive producer of scene.
Speaker 4: I mean, don't quote me on executive producer. I don't
know what it is. She's got some type of role
in the in the film though.
Speaker 6: Do you think Build Belichick was on Tinder?
Speaker 4: I don't know if he was. I mean, like no, I.
Speaker 7: Mean, who cares what It just would be so many
if they were like swiping on Tinder and Bill.
Speaker 4: Belichick just gonna cut off sweatshirt, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: They're like even that, like a lot of people are
on Tender, Like how bad could it possible. Now I'm
curious as to how the hell they met, because like,
what could be so bad that you don't want to
talk about it?
Speaker 4: What do we think Bill Belichick's tender photo would be?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: Would it just be him like sideline smug, all his
rings on, like really flat, Like that'd be cool.
Speaker 3: All right, Look, we'll continue to debate that during break.
Coming up in hour number two, we're gonna give you
our draft winners and losers. And we got a little
l U football news. They add a player out of
the transfer portal. That's coming up in our number two
of Off the Bench, Off the Bench,