1 00:00:11,919 --> 00:00:15,039 Speaker 1: We should read our Bible as men digging. 2 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: For bury treasure. 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: The Bible is the world's most popular enigma. 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,679 Speaker 4: It's secrets lost to cultures beneath the sins of time. 5 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,679 Speaker 5: Where is it. 6 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:41,679 Speaker 1: It is the glory of God to conceal things, but 7 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:48,759 the glory of kings is to search things out. God 8 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:53,039 wants you to seek to read his word to look 9 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:55,159 for that knowledge. He wants you to do that. 10 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 5: And the people and I see, uh, they like chopped 11 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,400 out eighty books in the Bible. 12 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,159 Speaker 4: We need to bring those back. There's more bad guys 13 00:01:08,159 --> 00:01:09,599 in this thing than a Ruce Willis. 14 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's bad to. 15 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 5: That, dude. 16 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:24,359 Speaker 1: I love the intro of the show because. 17 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 4: It's exactly right. There's some nuggets of gold in his word. 18 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:31,519 Speaker 2: Because you guys always signed and shot. 19 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,599 Speaker 4: You got to dig it, dig it. 20 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,799 Speaker 2: Show us your negvits, y'all. 21 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: Our creator lies outside of time space. 22 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: And that I feel like guy would be like, hello, McFly, 23 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:50,239 you ain't got it so far. Then there are secret 24 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,879 societies think that they are descendants of the Giant. 25 00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: I mean, isn't this exciting? 26 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:57,599 Speaker 1: I mean, your reading it's like wow. 27 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: In that philology around fable. 28 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,959 Speaker 1: But these angels were taken to help themedia not pass 29 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,599 goals Backwa's hundred dollars. 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,759 Speaker 3: Robinson, dirty hands means clean theology. 31 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: Can you dig it? 32 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: What's going on on? My local guys and gals in 33 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,400 long distance paths? 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:26,719 Speaker 2: We're back. 35 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: You're so good at that? 36 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 4: You're not? I know, No, you're I've this is something 37 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:35,919 you do. You do a decent job. 38 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,159 Speaker 1: I can't fill your shoes. 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: What's the benfits? 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,319 Speaker 4: Only nine and a half, they're not very big. 41 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,159 Speaker 1: No, I guess I can fill those shoes for sure. 42 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: He's not the benfoot, No, I'm not. 43 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 6: That was hilarious, as I like to call them benfoot. 44 00:02:58,879 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: Well, benfoot. 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:06,319 Speaker 3: I heard you had a I have had a good week, adventurous. 46 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 4: And yes, adventurous week would have to be what Yes, 47 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:19,080 So Sunday, driving driving home, we went out to the 48 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,280 family farm and my stepdad had detractors. I was bringing 49 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:28,599 it back. So I'm in my twenty five hundred dollars 50 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:32,039 and I'm sitting at a red light and I go 51 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:38,520 to pull out and it moves a little bit, and 52 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:42,400 then I hear a big clunk, and it sounded if 53 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,800 if any of y'all's out there have a a straight 54 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:50,479 drive kick out of gear. It's what sounded like just cow. 55 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,240 So I went pushed to clutch in which I'm still 56 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,400 moving a little bit. As I cram it in the 57 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,400 first gear again, I'm hearing clunk, clunk, clunk, and I go, 58 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:01,000 oh no. 59 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,159 Speaker 2: My wife looks over. 60 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,319 Speaker 4: She goes, what's that. I said, that's the drive shaft 61 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,840 hit the ground. So I reach up putting full drive, trying, 62 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,080 you know, I wiggling over get it out of the 63 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,560 out of the traffic lanes on the shoulder and I 64 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,240 get out look and it looked like where the drive 65 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,199 shaft connects to the rear end, the little straps just 66 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:33,399 you know, rung off the bolts the uh oh well 67 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:38,839 they call it anyhow, the bolts it had like a 68 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,240 little ledge around it. We just sheared that ledge clean off. 69 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:47,920 So has a proper name, but I can't think right now. 70 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:51,639 But anyways, the thing the thingy, So I was like, oh, 71 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,800 this ain't gonna be bad. You know, it's just all 72 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,279 all the bolts were there, so I was able to 73 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,800 back them out. We got a new you joint these 74 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,959 traps put them up. It's like good to go. Pulled 75 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,839 out again, but this time it felt like the truck buckled. 76 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,600 Now when that don't feel good? 77 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:15,519 Speaker 6: Right? 78 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 4: When I was taught to drive from my uncle's they 79 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,639 always said you drive by the seat of your pants, 80 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,199 which I know that's like a saying, but you feel 81 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,959 the motion of the car in your butt. It's how 82 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:33,000 they taught me. Like driving the back home, but you 83 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,000 can kind of feel where the angle of the equipment 84 00:05:37,959 --> 00:05:40,800 by your butt kind of. I don't know, it's weird, 85 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,040 but anyways, it felt really odd. So I went, oh no, 86 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:50,439 so I cut it off, put it back and forth, 87 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,439 drive e break, went to push it in, and it 88 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,680 was like it wouldn't want to go in, so I 89 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,439 get out. Drive shafts lain on the ground again. But 90 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,319 now the hoghead pumpkin wherever you wanna call, it's pointing 91 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,519 straight up at the. 92 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: Bed of the truck and he's talking about the big 93 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:11,399 round thing you see axles in the back of the truck. 94 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 4: So anyhow, my least spring u bolt brackets sheared off. 95 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,680 So luckily I have an awesome family. One uncle stopped 96 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,480 while sitting there waiting on my stepdad to show up 97 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:33,920 with some tools. All the part store. We could walk 98 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,800 to it. You know, Uncle, you broke down. Yeah, so, 99 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,560 which he has tools in his truck. 100 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:42,519 Speaker 1: He always does so. 101 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 4: And then we ended up calling my other uncle who 102 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:50,120 had a rollback. So we got it here and in 103 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,040 order to get it off the roll back, we had 104 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:57,480 to chain the axle to my hitch so the axle 105 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:01,759 wouldn't roll up into the you know, four wards into 106 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:05,680 the body of the truck for summer like the Because 107 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,399 it was the back you bolt's broke, so went forward 108 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,319 the front you bolt for still intact. It kind of 109 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,160 bound the axles so it wouldn't roll backwards as we 110 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,360 pulled it up. But with the front ones, the back 111 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,240 ones broke, it just slid, so we had to chain 112 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:22,839 them up. 113 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:25,399 Speaker 2: Twisted like a pretzel. 114 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:30,639 Speaker 4: Pretty much. Yeah, took it apart. Everything's good that the 115 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,319 rear end looks completely fine. And then yesterday which I 116 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:39,279 already told these guys this story already, yesterday, we went 117 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:43,079 to the Drags out here in Bristol and on the 118 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:48,439 way home Stonewall my jeep over here. We dropped Dad 119 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,319 off and I said it home with the boys in 120 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,920 the back. We had a guy's day. It's usually followers 121 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,920 Day weekend, but they did it a weekend. Earlier, so 122 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,360 but we still went and all of a sudden, I mean, 123 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:04,079 it's just kind of a funky feeling. And when I 124 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,160 built a jeep, I tried to use some kind of 125 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:12,680 off roa track bar, and I've got beadlocks. You have 126 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,480 to look at what beadlocks are if you don't know 127 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:19,360 what they are. But anyhow, it would do the same thing. 128 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:21,720 And a turn, it's like you turn and then all 129 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:24,720 of a sudden it darts into the turn like the 130 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,519 tires roll and then get more grip, and so it 131 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,920 cats you the turn harder and it's sketchy to drive 132 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:34,399 like that. So I went and got the stock swaybar 133 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,399 put back in, and I figured if I air the 134 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,799 tires down a little bit with the beadlocks, it kind 135 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:46,320 of tightens up your side walls. So that seemed to 136 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,960 fix it well. Driving home, I got out checked the tires, 137 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,639 which they were hot, so the pressure in them was more. 138 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,639 So let's somewhere out and almost home. I'm like, I 139 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:02,440 wonder if that swaybar broke, which it didn't break, but 140 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:06,879 somehow one of the bolts come out and the linkage 141 00:09:06,919 --> 00:09:11,840 fell off, so the linkage fell down. Like I still 142 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,679 had the linkage, but it disconnected it pretty much, so 143 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:22,279 I've got it to fix. And then yesterday evening, going 144 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,080 into town to go eat some supper, the car wouldn't start, 145 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:32,480 and it's like the and I mean it was just easy. 146 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,679 It was just that the positive cable was loose on 147 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,360 the battery. How did it come loose out? No idea, 148 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,879 But it's like, come on, it's been it's been a week. 149 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:49,759 Speaker 2: You're in the clear. Now let's trouble well. 150 00:09:49,879 --> 00:09:55,279 Speaker 4: True speeding tickets, Yeah, I was running threes. That's what 151 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,919 I've always been told. And it's usually you get pulled over, 152 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:03,000 you just expect two more times knock. 153 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: I would if I get another one, I lose my license. 154 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:07,799 Speaker 4: How many have you had? 155 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:08,039 Speaker 1: Well? 156 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:10,519 Speaker 3: That the whole deal with the hospital, me rushing to 157 00:10:10,519 --> 00:10:11,440 get to the hospital. 158 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 4: We're doing dagon school zone. Yeah, blowing your horde while 159 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,799 you passed the cop probably wouldn't a get well. 160 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean either I mean the biggest dumbest 161 00:10:23,399 --> 00:10:25,559 criminal ever, or it's an emergency. 162 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:31,799 Speaker 4: Hey cop, look at me. Yeah, I thought you was 163 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:36,399 going to jail. I passed him. He had like eight 164 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,360 cop cars. I'm exaggerating. 165 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: This probably have been a four or five. 166 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 4: There was at least four eight cop cars behind them. 167 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: Well mean we always exaggerate numbers. 168 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and there like was like eight cops in 169 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,159 each car. I mean he was like a swat team. 170 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: There justin looks dangerous the car. 171 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 4: I was like, man, they did have their goods. Yeah 172 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:02,799 I did. I did see that. I was like, what 173 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,440 the But I was like, should I turn around? 174 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: Like nope, sorry, they got their guns out. 175 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:09,159 Speaker 2: I pull you pull your guns out and help me. 176 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 4: I didn't have any us coming home from work, usually 177 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:17,879 have one on me, but unfortunately works that they frown 178 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,000 upon that in certain certain places I. 179 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: Go, did you have any vehicle breakdowns? 180 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? 181 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:26,639 Speaker 1: I got a flat tire? 182 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. Here on this he's he's part of a jeep. 183 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,279 He's part of the Jeep family. 184 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: Now, oh yeah, I heard you got a cherokee. 185 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, little little chair. 186 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a green one, so it's like being 187 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,200 this green. 188 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, this Cherokee here is green. It's forced green. 189 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: So he can't get your your hair, so he wants 190 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,440 your car. I just know a few episodes ago, you know, 191 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,200 you made the joke that he's trying to intimidate unions. 192 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: We're going back and forth about hair and what is it? 193 00:11:59,039 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 4: Intimidation is the greatest form of flattery, that's all I 194 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:11,840 gotta say. Oh, that's great. We're just a big jeep family. 195 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: Now that's the way the way it works. 196 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:16,879 Speaker 4: Well, Justin has to borrow a jeep, which his wife's jeep. 197 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,639 But I mean muscle car, his car or a jeep. 198 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:22,919 I'd probably stick with the car. 199 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, that car is sick. 200 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:27,799 Speaker 3: I love that car. I've been contemplating selling it. 201 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: I've comtemplated stealing selling stone Wall a couple of times. Yeah, 202 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,279 my wife will get all excited. 203 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: We'll see. I was stilling the wife. 204 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,759 Speaker 4: Did I get to pull the trigger like and get 205 00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:42,679 cold feed? The amount of work I put in that, 206 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:46,679 I just say, I can't see. 207 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 3: Derek Gilbert announced that he's doing he always does, a 208 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,039 trip to Israel that went last year, and he announced 209 00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:55,919 this to go that he's going. 210 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,759 Speaker 2: With Timpty Alberino. 211 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 4: Oh, that would be fun. 212 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,759 Speaker 2: And it'd be about six six thousand bucks. 213 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:02,799 Speaker 4: I say six bucks. 214 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm there. 215 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: So I was telling her. I was like, I'm really 216 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:08,879 getting into editing and stuff now. I said, I got 217 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,399 fifteen to twenty thousand dollars just in equity in that car. 218 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,840 It was like, I could sell that, pay for the 219 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,639 trip to Israel, get me a really nice camera and 220 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,600 start doing some documentaries, and. 221 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 4: You could pay for all of us to go. 222 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: That's right off, right trip. 223 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:32,279 Speaker 4: You get twenty We'll throw in a hunt or five 224 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,519 hundred apiece. That's twenty one. That covers all three of us, 225 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:37,879 no doubt. I mean, I take that deal. 226 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: The dig Bible Podcast's first documentary. 227 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Holy Land with Derek. 228 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: Gilbert, timsy Alberino and the guys from the dig Bible Podcast. 229 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:50,759 Speaker 1: I think we do in the asterisk section on the 230 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,759 bottom of that though, but that would be that would 231 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:57,600 be cool. Man. If this goes any longer, we have 232 00:13:57,639 --> 00:14:00,639 to do a toolbox talk for just this. So this 233 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,480 is about the longest intro ever. 234 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well we're at fourteen minutes. It's okay, Well, 235 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,919 whose turn for prayer? 236 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:16,039 Speaker 4: They can fast forward it, yep, I'll let you pray, sir. 237 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: Father, Thank you today, Thank for many blessings. Thank you 238 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:27,159 for all of Ben's car troubles resolved. We thank you 239 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,240 for just all the silver lining blessings that we tend 240 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:34,559 to miss sometimes when we get caught up in our fields. 241 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,919 But thank you for the weather. We got some rain 242 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,360 of coolest off today. Just we thank you that we're 243 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:47,600 never alone and we always have that hope in Jesus Christ. 244 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:52,080 And as always be with us the Holy Spirit, Godess, 245 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,399 give us the sermon of your word, and have it 246 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,240 reached those who it needs to reach. 247 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:57,039 Speaker 2: Amen. 248 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,559 Speaker 4: Amen. Yeah, talking about I, you know, Mom's like it's okay, 249 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,679 I said, I know nobody got hurt, right, could have 250 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,320 been totally worse. That's doing eighty miles an hour. That 251 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,080 I mean, I wouldn't be doing eighty but going down 252 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:15,159 the road it had just ripped it clean out at 253 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:20,200 that point. And then uh, I told her, I said, hey, 254 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,840 we've sat here for three hours. I might have missed 255 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:24,360 something major happened. 256 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,159 Speaker 2: I got t boned by. 257 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: An eighteen wheeler. 258 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: You never know, I thought. 259 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: If this didn't happen, and the same with the jeep, 260 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:35,120 if I didn't stop, pull over and checked the air pressure, 261 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,559 what where would I been when some drunk driver on 262 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,919 drugs come across m H. It's always you gotta look 263 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,840 at the class half full, not half empty. Tell them 264 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:49,360 about that. 265 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't get to tell them. 266 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:53,759 Speaker 2: This is not good. 267 00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:56,799 Speaker 3: Old Mountain dew as they like to say in our 268 00:15:57,279 --> 00:16:02,840 part of the woods. But uh, this is actually blessed water, 269 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,720 supposedly blessed by an angel. I did a video, like 270 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:10,000 a little video on the first time we went. It's 271 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,000 called Houston Minerals. It's down next to Jefferson City, but 272 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,919 it's up on my I think it's on that TikTok 273 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,440 page that I had started. But basically, this guy named 274 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,159 Houston way back in the day, like in the early 275 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,799 nineteen hundreds, had some kind of kidney disease and the 276 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,440 doctors told him there's nothing to do for him, that 277 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,360 he was just going to die. Had a dream an 278 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:35,159 angel told him to drill like a one hundred and 279 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:39,080 fifty feet or something. That was all documented in the 280 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,639 newspapers and all this stuff. But he dug he found 281 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:46,080 a well, started drinking that water, and it healed him. 282 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,799 He lived a long, healthy life after that. And then 283 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,200 there's many local people that I met the first time 284 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,759 I went that said that women having yeast infections, never 285 00:16:55,799 --> 00:16:58,320 taking any medicine, just drinking the water it cleared it up. 286 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,639 Men having kidney stones, it busting up the kidney stones 287 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:02,360 and they passed them. 288 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: And they've never had Kenny. 289 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: Stones since they've started drinking this water. And they even 290 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,440 got papers up on the wall, like they sent labs 291 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,559 and had it tested, and it's just rich in all 292 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,599 these minerals that you can't find anywhere else, and they 293 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:15,160 can test. 294 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: I let them try it. 295 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 4: It tastes like nothing. 296 00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:18,079 Speaker 2: That's nothing. 297 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:23,079 Speaker 3: It's tasteless water. It's pretty good stuff. So anytime you know, 298 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,119 we have some free time or we get low on it, 299 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,359 we take a trip up there and stock up on it. 300 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,359 It's like fifty cents a gallon, I. 301 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 4: Mean, a secret and bottle of water, wouldn't it. 302 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and better. 303 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:39,319 Speaker 6: I guess you have to carry a bunch of Mason jars. 304 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:41,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, but a bunch of people carry them like them, 305 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,319 big old like gas jug looking things and fill them up. 306 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,559 Speaker 4: It always tastes better out of glass. It does get 307 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:54,799 Coca coas better out of glass. 308 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: But getting on, I guess with today's subject. We were 309 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:03,759 talking about gnosticism one day, and I had always heard 310 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:05,279 about it, but I didn't. 311 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:06,519 Speaker 2: Really know exactly what it was. 312 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:09,599 Speaker 3: And one day at McKay's used books, I found a 313 00:18:09,599 --> 00:18:13,160 couple of books that was on gnosticism and the Gnostic Gospels. 314 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,799 So I got your reading into it and stuff, and 315 00:18:16,039 --> 00:18:17,319 I just found it fascinating. 316 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: So I asked the guys if they. 317 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,559 Speaker 3: Wanted to just take a look at it and study 318 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:23,599 and just kind of talk over what is it, what 319 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,759 have we found, and stuff like that. So that's what 320 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:31,000 we're going to attempt to do today. The two books 321 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,559 that I found, everybody this woman named Elaine Pagels, you know, 322 00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:39,559 on the Gnostic Gospels and the viewpoints. She's a historian, 323 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,160 and by the two books that I read, you know, 324 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,799 she's she's kind of a Gnostic sympathizer in the least, 325 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,359 she spun them in a real positive light. You know, 326 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,440 it wasn't hard to tell which way she was leaning, 327 00:18:50,799 --> 00:18:54,440 But those two books were the Origins of Satan and 328 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:59,880 the Gnostic Gospels. But it was basically the Origins of Satan. 329 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:02,759 She was in a roundabout way saying that, you know, 330 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:06,519 Satan's basically a figment of our imagination that we created 331 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:11,599 up to cast all of our blames on. And the 332 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,599 whole Gnostic you know line of thinking is, you know, 333 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,279 the surrounded around the word nosis, which means knowledge. You know, 334 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,920 the name Gnostic means that they're basically there their knowledge 335 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,119 seekers and we'll get into more detail about, you know, 336 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,960 what they believe in stuff, But it's uh, I thought 337 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,759 it was pretty crazy looking how all the secret societies 338 00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:40,839 and uh, Mysticism, you know, and stuff like that all have. 339 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: Hints of this. 340 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 3: You know, you go to you know, Pythagoras, you know, 341 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,440 you know, way before Christ there was all kinds of 342 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,720 hints of this, you know, seeking secret knowledge of enlightenment 343 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:55,480 to bring you closer to God or the Creator or 344 00:19:55,559 --> 00:20:00,440 a god conscience, you know, and then Egypt and uh, 345 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,799 the Masons. It's just when you go through they all 346 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:04,839 have hints of this, and so I think it's uh, 347 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,240 I'm not a coincidence theorist. I think if something shares 348 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:12,400 the same details and hints of things like that, it's 349 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,640 you know, usually has a common denominator somewhere. Steved what 350 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,079 kind of stuff did you find in your dig? 351 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,599 Speaker 1: Mostly historical stuff? I did? You know it? It's pretty 352 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,920 amazing because it's it's really diverse, all the different sects 353 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,960 of this and the different paths that went, and actually 354 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:40,400 kind of interesting that I think they said it's Mandaism 355 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:45,960 is the only surviving Gnostic religion from antiquity. From prior, 356 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,880 which actually is it's kind of interesting that it's in 357 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,559 Iraq and Iran and they say there's about sixty thousand 358 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,599 to seventy thousand people that still practice that today. But 359 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,839 that's like the only version of because this, as far 360 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:02,680 as we can track it, it's the first century is 361 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,920 really where you can truly see where it comes from. 362 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,279 And it's interesting because all of the knowledge that we 363 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,119 initially got from this is from those early church fathers 364 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,680 like Irenaeus and a couple other ones, but that's where 365 00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:21,160 Tertullian origin. But these guys all are the ones that 366 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,720 that gave us that initial knowledge, and it was all 367 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:28,440 and it was all in a negative context because it 368 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,599 was all calling them heretics, you know, so that's where 369 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,680 most people got that information from, was saying don't do this. 370 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,000 Not hey, here's the information on this. No, it's don't 371 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,119 do this because it's heresy. I just thought that was interesting. 372 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 3: But one thing I thought was, you know, is when 373 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,279 they first started finding these, you know, Gnostic gospels and 374 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:52,759 things like that was in the eighteen hundreds in the 375 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:56,119 Upper Egypt, and you know, for those that are unfamiliar, 376 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,920 it's kind of like a flip flop. What we think 377 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,319 is Upper Egypt, they call Lower Egypt, so it's kind 378 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:05,160 of a flip flop. But they found these papers in 379 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,200 Upper Egypt on papyrus leaves, and many of the Gnostic 380 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,880 gospels were found there, the Secret Book of James, the 381 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,799 Gospel of Thomas, and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene. But 382 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,559 I just got little bits and pieces of stuff that 383 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,960 I just thought was interesting. But the Gospel of Mary, 384 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,839 chapter seventeen through eighteen, records of the disciples were deciding 385 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:35,079 to write down the teachings of Jesus, and then Peter asks, Mary, sister, 386 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:39,000 we know the Savior loved you more than the rest 387 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:42,799 of the women. Tell us the words of the Savior, 388 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,839 which you remember what we do not know and have 389 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,759 not heard. You know, this is the reason for that 390 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:52,680 whole You know, the Vinci Code books and the movies 391 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,799 alleging that Jesus and Mary had an intimate relationship, And 392 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 even one of these Gnostic gospels has a passage say 393 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,960 that you know Jesus kissed Mary, but you know, we 394 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,400 don't know where he kissed her, because it was like 395 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,240 deliberately burnt out. So the early church fathers have a 396 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,640 pretty good reason for you know, calling these guys, you know, 397 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,640 heretics and stuff. But in that book she reveals, you know, 398 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:23,240 secret teachings on the soul's spiritual journey. And then Andrew 399 00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:26,880 of Jason says, I do not believe the Savior said this. 400 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,039 These teachings are strange ideas. And then Peter joined in 401 00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:34,200 and said, did he really speak this to a woman 402 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,440 in secret? And did he truly love her more than 403 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,920 he loved us? But and then in nineteen forty five 404 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,279 they had another discovery of more Gnostic Gospels at a 405 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,519 hidden library of And forgive me if I mispronounced this, 406 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,720 but nag Hamandi. 407 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: That's is that how you'd say that? 408 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,279 Speaker 3: But and that one greatly extended to understand and of 409 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:05,279 the early Christian movement and how that happened. Uh, you 410 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,160 got anything in here? 411 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,759 Speaker 1: Well, they said that that besides that little sect over 412 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,279 in Iraq and Iran that still kind of lingered on 413 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:20,680 that that the that whole movement had pretty much died 414 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,640 out until that Nakamadi was found in nineteen forty five, 415 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,920 and that kind of brought a little bit of a 416 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,519 resurgence of this that returned to enlightenment and things of 417 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:34,160 this nature and the belief patterns and and you know 418 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,640 what was his name, Valentinius? Yeah, right, and then one 419 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,599 of the founders of what we believe to be a 420 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:48,559 founder of the Gnostic ideologies. He actually believed like, hey, 421 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,599 we're right in line with Christianity. This is this is 422 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,599 christian this is the belief this is you know, he 423 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:58,160 believed that. But it was Aaronaus and like you said, 424 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,319 origin Tertullian. And it goes on, I mean further down 425 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,079 the line where all these church fathers were calling him, 426 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,759 we're calling them heretics and whatnot to and and you 427 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,640 saw a big division where the separation happened in all 428 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,640 those different sects, where they kind of branched off and 429 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:15,720 even their views. 430 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:17,559 Speaker 2: You know, it's Christianity. 431 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: I was going to liken it to that to some degree. 432 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,319 But they can't even agree on on the resurrection, well 433 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,200 even like God, like who the creator is and who 434 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,680 this is, because some will believe that the original you know, God, 435 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:35,319 if you want to call it whatever. They had a 436 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,160 name for him. 437 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,079 Speaker 2: I got it in here somewhere. 438 00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it written down to monad So and 439 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,720 they called him. The thing is, they said some sects 440 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,079 believe that he created everything, and other sects he believed 441 00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:00,559 that he his his divinity it emanates down, right, So 442 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:05,400 his divinity, the I can't say that word emanates down 443 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,759 and it created these these beings they called AONs, right, 444 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,319 And one of the one of these AONs was called 445 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,720 the demi Urge, and the demi Urge was the creator 446 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,359 in some of these sects. So not only was it 447 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,680 not the you know, the God who is the way 448 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,359 that they the way that I interpret it and correct 449 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,519 me if I'm wrong, was it that the God that 450 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,480 is the all above all the others in this little 451 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,839 pantheon it's kind of indifferent to us, has doesn't It 452 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,920 was just like, oh, it's just his divinity emanated down. 453 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,640 And then you get into the point where you start 454 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,000 seeing that with these other AONs, and even then they 455 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,960 have that was it, Sophia when those esoteric ideas of wisdom? 456 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 3: And I'll let you get into that in philosophy. But 457 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:02,920 the common strain that I've seen was Satan's Genesis three narrative. 458 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:07,599 What did he say when he gave the knowledge you know, 459 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,799 and he offered the you know, the fruit, He said, 460 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,079 ye shall be as gods. So all of these selks 461 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:25,720 believe that they themselves, through studying and acts and with 462 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:30,680 no need of Christ or no need of God, can 463 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:36,680 ascend to God, you know, through the height of God, yeah, 464 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,119 or the Christ's conscience. And you see a lot of 465 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,079 that New agey stuff. It's reminiscent of. 466 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: That also enlightenment. They're looking for that enlightenment. It's almost Buddhist. 467 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,279 You see that kind of connection with Buddhism. You think, 468 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:50,720 like you just said, the New Age movement, same kind 469 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:54,920 of way you're looking at self enlightenment, right. And the 470 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,119 whole point is that the way that they say it 471 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,799 is that only some will have the ability to reach 472 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:01,799 that at plateau, that. 473 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,599 Speaker 2: Plane the select you the chosen. 474 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 475 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: But uh, I just wrote down some of these, you know, 476 00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:12,559 gospels and what they believe, just the exposures to it, 477 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,759 and you can kind of just see how far out 478 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,920 some of this stuff is, you know. Now, the Gospel 479 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,680 of Thomas, it begins with this, It says, these are 480 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,559 the secret words which the living Jesus spoke at which 481 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,720 the twin Judas Thomas wrote down. Well, the first thing 482 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,119 stands out to you is, you know, Jesus didn't have 483 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,519 a twin, okay. But in this book, Jesus, you know, 484 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,640 quote unquote said if you bring forth what is within you, 485 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:51,319 what you bring forth will save you. If you do not, 486 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,839 it will destroy you, you know. And this was written 487 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,359 in Coptic and goes to the third and fourth century AD. 488 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,759 But these books were believed to be part of a 489 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,319 sacred library, of the oldest library in Egypt, you know. 490 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,440 And these books were burned around three seventy a d. 491 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:14,200 After Archbishop of Alexandria ordered them to be banned and 492 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,519 deemed them heresy and demanded that they'd be destroyed. But 493 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,039 these books were under attack much earlier than that, about 494 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,640 two hundred years by, you know, Ernelius of Lions. 495 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,599 Speaker 2: He was the first to accept the. 496 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,039 Speaker 3: Four Gospels, Mark Luke, Matthew, Mark Luke, and John as 497 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:38,039 canonical and exclude the rest. But the Gospel of Thomas 498 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,759 was a quote unquote secret teaching, and it contradicts Mark 499 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,200 chapter one of verse fifteen, where it says the time 500 00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,519 is at hand and the Kingdom of God draws near. 501 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,559 Thomas records Jesus saying. 502 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:55,319 Speaker 2: If those who lead you say to you. 503 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 3: Lord, the kingdom is in the sky, then the birds 504 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:02,039 precede you, and if they say it is in the sea, 505 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,279 then the fish precedes you. 506 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: You know. 507 00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: Here to them, the kingdom represents a state of self discovery. 508 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,519 But rather it says in quotations, rather, the kingdom is made, 509 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,720 I'm sorry. Rather the kingdom is inside of you and 510 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,960 is outside of you. When you come to know yourself, 511 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,960 then you will become known, and you will realize that 512 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:35,720 it is you who are the sons of the Living Father. 513 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,279 So once again you know, you shall be as gods. 514 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:45,160 Everyone has the divine spark inside of them, the christ consciousness, 515 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,200 and it's up to you to seek that knowledge and 516 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:50,240 grow yourself. 517 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,039 Speaker 1: You see a lot that's the same thing that you 518 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,960 see a lot of that. With that, the whole New 519 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,240 Age ideas, even though you can repackage it, rename it, it 520 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,680 doesn't necessarily a you know, God per se in the 521 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,319 New Age movement, it might, you know, it's just find 522 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,599 your inner self, find your best self, you know, become enlightened. 523 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,279 It's it's just scary because you see these things and 524 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:18,079 you see how it's slowly over time, even even back 525 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:19,640 to the time of the first century. We were talking 526 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,559 right after Jesus. But and you go all the way 527 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,160 through time and you see how these things kind of 528 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,960 shoot off and pervert a little further, a little further, 529 00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,240 and you can see the hands of the enemy working 530 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,279 on this and changing things. And what they do is 531 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:35,720 at first, like I said, at first they showed that 532 00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:38,319 it lined up right with Christianity, and then all of 533 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,160 a sudden, you're gonna just change this little idea here 534 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,519 and tweak this to make it seem okay. Yeah, and 535 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,079 then they take it to the next level. And then 536 00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:47,359 they take it to the next level. And as we 537 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,240 go through history, you can people are able to let 538 00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:52,920 that kind of at first, these little tweaks, these big 539 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,160 tweaks become a little more Oh that makes sense. I 540 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,039 could see that, And I just wanted to throw this 541 00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:00,559 one thing in there real quick. That the urge I 542 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:02,279 was talking about that a lot of them believe as 543 00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,519 a creator is depicted. I think this is great, is 544 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,880 depicted as a creature with a lion's head and a 545 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,880 serpent's body. Now pretty interesting when you really think about that, 546 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,839 especially after what we just talked about with some of 547 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:21,960 the astrological astronomy stuff that we talked about, you know, 548 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,480 in the last couple episodes you talk about the you know, 549 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,880 Satan masquerading as an angel a light, right, you know, 550 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,359 masquerading as the lion, you know, not the Lion of 551 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,720 Judah that we talk about, but maskating as a lion. 552 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,279 And yet it's the wolf in sheep's clothing. You see 553 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,799 the lion's head with the serpent's body showing himself as 554 00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:40,960 that angel a light, but right behind him all that 555 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,359 evils right there, his true self is exactly exactly. 556 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:49,319 Speaker 4: And you can take that kind of stuff and look 557 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:55,559 at even today with the whole you can be a 558 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:57,240 cow if you want to be a cow. 559 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,759 Speaker 1: Like, oh, it's getting taken into the next level. 560 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's just slowly progressed. I mean, you had 561 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:11,319 the whole in the sixties, the whole you know, love, 562 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,799 free love stuff, which started more I mean, I'm sure 563 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,920 homosexuality was always around, but it kind of made it 564 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,240 more popular, and then it kind of died off a 565 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,319 little bit, and it's coming back. And now you've got 566 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,799 twelve year old girls they can hey, we can do this, 567 00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:36,000 we can go swing. Well, you can be a switch hitter. 568 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:41,559 That's that's not at all. And then then people goes, well, 569 00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:48,559 she's just twelve, she'll grow out of it. And you're 570 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,079 just saying, oh, that's normal. Well when they I mean, 571 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,480 the thought might happen, but you got like, no, that's 572 00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:59,640 not right. And then you teach them. Then they go, well, 573 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,039 you're right, right, that's not right. You know, two cows 574 00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:07,279 can't have a calf. You gotta have a bull and a cow. 575 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,920 And and that's in nature, you know. 576 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: And that's the problem. 577 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 3: You have to have an absolute truth. And people say, oh, 578 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,760 it's no, there is no absolute truth. It's it's everyone 579 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,400 has their own truth. Well no, then that's just so 580 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,559 in seeds of deception. You we almost have a standard. 581 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:28,400 There's a reason why every culture in the world, you know, 582 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,280 no matter what culture you are, language, we all have 583 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,199 universal truths. We all know it's not right to kill, right, 584 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,840 we all know it's not right to steal, and that 585 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,360 that those are absolute you know, they're universal truths. And 586 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,360 and they're trying to all that garbage is just you know, 587 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,199 be your best self now you know you're perfect. 588 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 2: The way you are, there is no. 589 00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 4: Yeah if God, you know, God knows you. It's like 590 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,800 these these I can't think of what kind of churches 591 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,400 they call it. But it's the come as you are. 592 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,199 I mean, yeah, coming as you are. You know, you 593 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,719 don't have to be fit perfectly fixed and then come 594 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,239 to God. I mean that's the all, that's the journey. 595 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,719 Say there, I'm missing something, I'm broken, I'm living in sin. 596 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:23,599 Speaker 3: Ten years later, you shouldn't be broken still righting stuff. 597 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 4: Or you're you're not You're not getting it right at 598 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:29,239 the whole. 599 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,679 Speaker 2: There are nothing we can do for you, nothing news ones. 600 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:41,639 Speaker 4: And it's like the Roman Empire. They were these burly, powerful, 601 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:49,639 aggressive fighting force of soldiers conquering everything and then what 602 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,719 was the They killed themselves. They they got all they 603 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,000 got into this free love, do homosexuality, all this kind 604 00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:03,960 of crazy stuff that's going on today, and it recked them. 605 00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: What's a cancer? 606 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 3: But it always, it. 607 00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: Always starts with the truth, and then a slight perversion 608 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,679 from the truth, and then a greater perversion from the truth, 609 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,880 until each one of those things seems more acceptable. 610 00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: Right. 611 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 4: But if like like say today, say if yesterday we 612 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,239 were in the time of Jesus and then you're to 613 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,239 today the way the world is, people would be like, 614 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,480 you're freaking nuts, you can't know, how did you go 615 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:39,119 from that to this. But if you only look back, 616 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:44,719 well ten years ago, you know, the you had maybe 617 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,519 a gay parade, and well, people's, wow, what's. 618 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,199 Speaker 2: The frog in the bowling water? Slowly turn up the. 619 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 4: Heat today and forbid you go out and protest the 620 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,920 gay parade because now you're the bad guy and that, 621 00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:03,800 and then it goes into the whole stuff they're doing 622 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,800 in schools, these different kinds of shows. 623 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: This does, this does go way back though, because it's 624 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,039 always been no, that's what I was going to say. 625 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,119 And you talk about being able to portray herself as 626 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,840 a man or as like the first ever transgender type 627 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,119 deity that would either sleep with mat or a woman 628 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:26,039 could show herself as a man or woman, and and 629 00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:27,719 it's that's I mean, that's historic. 630 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,079 Speaker 4: I mean that's and and it's going it goes from 631 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,320 like we're saying, it's the slow progressive. You know, you 632 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,639 think ten years from now and the way they are now, 633 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,760 it's not that much different. It's getting different quicker and 634 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,760 quicker now because she's just taking it to I'm gonna 635 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,800 be a unicorn today in an elephant tomorrow. Well but 636 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,320 you know, it's just ignorance. But it's it's to this. 637 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: I don't understand, and that's something I'm glad you don't understand. 638 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,920 I'm glad. But but in all seriousness, when we talk 639 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,039 about this, and it's it's something that we're gonna all face, 640 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,679 Our kids are gonna face. Everybody that we know is 641 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,800 going to face this stuff. And well we already are, 642 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,480 but our but it's gonna keep going. And we have 643 00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:19,280 to understand that we that's that's that's our job. That's 644 00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,639 as a Christian group, as the Church of Christ, our 645 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,440 job is to stand firm in our beliefs. But at 646 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,480 the same time, remember what we always say is we 647 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,199 don't condemn the sinner. We condemn the sin. Like I 648 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,559 don't agree with what certain people do. I know God 649 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,119 still loves those people. God wants those people saved. And 650 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,159 and if we treat them like the majority of the 651 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,440 church in the past treats them, all we're gonna do 652 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,719 is drive them away and make them make them feel 653 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:50,039 lead to this that we're that we're because then it 654 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,559 makes but it makes us heretics too, because we're we're 655 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,239 not going by what Jesus said, We're not going by 656 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,119 the path that we're put on. If we're not taking 657 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,000 the the the way that Jesus was that. I saw 658 00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,280 that post. I think Liz reposted it the other day. 659 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,840 But it's like Jesus didn't tell the sinners to go 660 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,760 to church. He told the sinners, or he told the 661 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,159 church to go to the sinners. It's like we go. 662 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,400 And the thing is we have to always remember we're 663 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:18,119 sinners too. Everybody's this, you know, we're all in the 664 00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:20,719 same boat. The only difference between us and them is 665 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,119 that we have salvation now because we have accepted Jesus. 666 00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:26,920 We have accepted that truth. If we don't have that, 667 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960 then we're no different than any I don't care what 668 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,599 you do. I don't care if you're Charles Manson or 669 00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:37,159 if you're Ru Paul. We're no different than them. If 670 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,400 we don't have Jesus, we're no difference. 671 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 4: So and it's. 672 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: I know we got off base. 673 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 3: Yeah we're way off base. 674 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,079 Speaker 1: But to be fair off to be fair this, well 675 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:55,679 it is a little off base from the stuff, but 676 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,440 it's but it is a it's it's what this it's 677 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:03,719 a nacissism, is a view into the way that our 678 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,599 world has changed. 679 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, that it's kind of like the stepping stone to 680 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,400 get to us today the world the way the world 681 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,480 is today. But anyhow, go. 682 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: Ahead, now back to you, Jesse, I'm so far off 683 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,079 base now I don't even know. 684 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 4: Let's back it up. I had to do it for you. 685 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,079 Speaker 2: We're back. 686 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,039 Speaker 3: But going on the Gospel of the Gospel of Thomas, 687 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,239 that where he talked about you know, he referred to 688 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,760 Thomas as Jesus's twin. When I first read that, you know, 689 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,639 I was like, anybody knows the scripture knows Jesus didn't 690 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,760 have a twin, you know, where the hell they come 691 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,880 up with this stuff? So then I kept reading this book. 692 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,119 I found it and I was just like, what it 693 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:47,599 all goes back to this new age. 694 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 2: Christ consciousness stuff. 695 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 3: But according to the Gospel of Thomas, the Kingdom of 696 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,519 God symbolizes a state of transformed consciousness one enters when 697 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,000 they attain self knowledge and when they come to know 698 00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:06,960 oneself at the deepest levels, they simultaneously they come closer 699 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,840 to God and knowing the source of one's being. But 700 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,119 Mark chapter eight is where this comes from. Verse twenty 701 00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:16,719 seven through twenty nine. This is when he Jesus asked Peter, 702 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,079 you know who do you say that I am. 703 00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 2: You know. He says, you know. 704 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 3: Jesus says, you know, you answer correctly, you know, because 705 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,119 he said he was the Christ. Well, the Gospel of 706 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,840 Thomas records that same event, but instead of Peter, it's 707 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,679 Thomas that he's talking to. And Thomas gets this answer 708 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,519 right when he replies, Master, my mouth is wholly incapable 709 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,800 of saying whom you are like, not are, but who 710 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,119 you are like, because in this account Jesus asked them 711 00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:54,119 who would they compare him to. So in the Gospel 712 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,239 of Thomas, Thomas says, oh, well, you know, my mouth 713 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,199 is unholy. There's no one I can compare you to. 714 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 2: You know. 715 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 3: It says at this moment that Thomas transcends from a 716 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:13,159 disciple to master. Jesus declares that Thomas has become like himself. 717 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,360 This is where we get the twin language that we 718 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,239 talked about earlier. Jesus then responds and says, I am 719 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,639 not your master, for you have drunk and became drunk 720 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:29,199 from the bubbling stream that I have measured out. Whoever 721 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,559 drinks from my mouth will become as I am, and 722 00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:37,480 I myself will become that person. And these things that 723 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:42,400 are hidden will be revealed to him. So basically, it's like, 724 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,920 this is a spirit that attaches to a person, and 725 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,960 then once that person teaches it to another, the spirit 726 00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:52,920 leaves them and goes to the other. Now they're the 727 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,639 master and the teacher. And that's when it hit me. 728 00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:59,960 I've heard people talk about Jesus was not the son 729 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,719 of God. It wasn't until he was baptized. The spirit 730 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,519 came down and Jesus said, this is my son, whom 731 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,679 I am well pleased. And they say that is the 732 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,840 point when Jesus became enlightened and became a Christ. 733 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 4: I've heard some some people say something to that effect. 734 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,599 Speaker 1: The other part which when I pulled up in logos 735 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,960 and actually it used a different section actually to say 736 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,719 the same thing because it talked about you know, we've 737 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,280 talked about that before, that baptism being where some people 738 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,199 believe that's you know who what I can't remember who 739 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,440 we were talking to, but somebody said how they felt 740 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,000 or that it had been thought that, you know, at 741 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,440 that point, Jesus, you know, Jesus was declared the son 742 00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:50,320 of God. You know, he was it wasn't really the 743 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,519 son of God, but he at that point. But but 744 00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,840 is it John seventeen. Jesus actually praised to be This 745 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,360 is a scriptural Jesus prays to be glorified, it says. 746 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,480 Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, 747 00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:08,159 he said, Father, the hour has come, glorify your son 748 00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:11,599 in order that he may that your son wait, I'm sorry, 749 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,039 in order that your son may glorify you, just as 750 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,320 you have given him the authority over all flesh in 751 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,400 the world. Would jeez, I can't read today. Let's back 752 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,559 that up one more time. I'm gonna take this from 753 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:30,239 the top here. Jesus said these things, lifting his eyes 754 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,760 up to heaven, and said, Father, the hour has come. 755 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,440 Glorify your son in order that your son may glorify you, 756 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,880 just as you have given him authority over all flesh, 757 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,800 in order that he would give eternal life to them 758 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,760 everyone whom you have given to him. Now this eternal 759 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,559 life that they know you the only true God, and 760 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,639 Jesus Christ, whom you have sent, I have glorified you 761 00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,360 on earth by completing the work that you have given 762 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,199 me to do. And now Father, you glorify me at 763 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,199 your side with the glory that I had at your 764 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,599 side before the world existed, So it's this is the 765 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,440 this is actually when I searched gnosticism, I just put 766 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,159 it right in the search and logos. You get the definition, 767 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,280 you get kind of the run down. I love logos 768 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,960 for this reason so many different things. And then it 769 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,679 gives you it straight up gave me that passage right 770 00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:28,039 there to kind of when when that's one of the 771 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:32,400 passages that not like the Gnostics would have used to 772 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,440 say when it talks about glorifying right, it talks about 773 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,800 that enlightenment. He's trying to enlighten me. Let me be 774 00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:44,159 like you those types of things when you know the 775 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,079 problem is is that anytime and you'll see this with 776 00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,159 a lot of different groups, with the Hebrew Roots group 777 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,480 or with different types of groups that we talk about 778 00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:56,199 that will take scripture and they change it to their 779 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,159 narrative how it works for them. So they can make 780 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,880 a verse or a section and say, well, look this 781 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,360 is what it says right here, But you take it 782 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,199 out of context. And if you don't look at the 783 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,119 context of the scripture, then you don't see everything that's there. 784 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,159 So and and and if you I mean, it's it's 785 00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:18,199 hard because if you go back and even look at 786 00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,039 because we're talking about you know, a lot of this 787 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,280 these writings were from that first century, and even then 788 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,960 at Irenaeus and then you said it origin Tertullian and 789 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,639 all them, we're already calling it heretical. So you're already 790 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:34,800 seeing that back at that point that they already you know, 791 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:39,519 didn't line up. They already didn't have that that even 792 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:42,679 at that point they didn't agree on some of those teachings. 793 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,480 So you know, at right now, if you aren't invested 794 00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,440 in your Bible, if you weren't sitting there and reading 795 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,639 it for yourself, and you're taking and you're taking somebody 796 00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:56,880 else's word. If I'm just going and I'm I'm just 797 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,239 listening to somebody on a podcast or on YouTube or 798 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,480 anything else, and you're not digging into it yourself, it's 799 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:06,519 very easy to sit there and say, oh, this is 800 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:10,880 someone's interpretation and it could be out left, you know, 801 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,760 and this is the best way to say it is 802 00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:17,840 the Satan believe in God. You sure darn righty does. 803 00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:21,119 So it's not that hard to say that. You know, 804 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,880 all these different things are it's right in front of you. 805 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,960 You need to check the source, you need to go 806 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,840 back to it, because if you're not digging into the word, 807 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,519 it's very easy for you to get missing some the 808 00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,480 wrong information from the wrong thing. 809 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,199 Speaker 3: And not just the verse they quote, like you said, 810 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,840 because they can pull out a context if they say, oh, 811 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:43,320 Matthew two four says this, So that proves my point, 812 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,880 because I believe this is this, and that says this. 813 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,920 Don't just pull out your phone and google that verse. 814 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,639 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's right, that's what it says. 815 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,119 Speaker 3: No, read that entire chapter or in the very least, 816 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,800 read eight or ten verses ahead of it and after 817 00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:59,280 in the full picture. 818 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, he could be talking about something totally different. Yes, 819 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,280 you know, it was it. 820 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: I always say, though, and when I think, and I 821 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,840 think that this applies in this situation more than most 822 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,480 people realize. When what it says, test the spirits, right, 823 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,719 always test the spirits. And I believe that means that 824 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,119 when someone's telling you something, there could be evil spirit 825 00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,599 behind that too, So you need to test that spirit, 826 00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:24,159 which means yes, always go back to scripture, always know, 827 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,000 and just be founded in your Bible. Always be founded 828 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,519 in scripture, and and after that you can have more discernment, 829 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,920 you can have more that's why do you think we 830 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,800 have to pray for discernment because there's so many other 831 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,239 sources that are pushing us in different directions, different ideas, 832 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,000 different ideologies. And you look at just the Christian Church, 833 00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,519 like you said before, with how many different denominations are there. 834 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,519 Speaker 3: I mean, they can choose what parts of the Bible 835 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:53,400 they want to believe. 836 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: And that's the part that bothers me. 837 00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:57,639 Speaker 4: They're all reading the same Bible. 838 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, what does Jesus say, he said, Peter Cherry picker, 839 00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:06,599 Well he did, well, he probably did say that, but 840 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,880 he said, but the cherries are really good. But he said, 841 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,719 he said, Peter, and you are the rock in which 842 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,039 I will build my church. Right. He didn't say all 843 00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,079 my different churches. He didn't say, this is where I'll 844 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,400 build the Methodists, this is where I'll build the Baptist 845 00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:27,440 the Catholics, the Lutherans. He didn't say that said my church. 846 00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:30,320 We should all be united. And that that part right 847 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,960 there is where I feel the church as a whole 848 00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:34,480 is failing. Is because we're fighting too much among ourselves, 849 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,079 and and we don't even know who the real enemy 850 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:37,639 is anymore. 851 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,679 Speaker 4: Well, and and if you look at I mean that's 852 00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:46,400 that's the devil. I mean, it's it's it's like we've 853 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,239 always heard about our country, right, if we can, if 854 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,320 we can, you know, put put the men fighting against 855 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,679 the women. The men are or whatever that word is, manly, 856 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:08,679 but it's not masculine. And the women, you know, they're 857 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,440 the feminist. You know, they hate ben and they're trying 858 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,880 to make it to where to to the women that 859 00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,480 men hate the women and look down on them. Now 860 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,920 we're fighting ourselves in our own country and we're not 861 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,519 paying attention at all what the government's doing. 862 00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:27,159 Speaker 1: What does every great and that's what does every great 863 00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,360 military strategists do? Oh yeah, divide and conquer. 864 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 4: That's it. 865 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 1: If you can divide the church much easier to take 866 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,039 people away from it or or. 867 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,639 Speaker 4: To sideline them to believe. Well, yeah that I like 868 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,800 the way. Shoot this church over here says if I 869 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,639 believe this way, I'll be filthy rich. I'm gonna go 870 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,199 that way. 871 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,679 Speaker 1: Thank you. Joel Olstein. 872 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 4: Yeah that's yep. I just didn't want to name Draws. 873 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, you could be your best self. 874 00:50:56,159 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 4: Yep. I seen I did you send me that video 875 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:06,400 where the preacher guy was went into his church. I've 876 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,239 seen a video where another preacher went into Joel Oldstein's 877 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,280 church and was saying, this is not right. I mean, 878 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,840 I guess in this church it looked like a whole 879 00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:25,119 bookstore selling his books. He said, this isn't right, and they, 880 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,480 you know, tried to rest them kick him out. He said, hey, 881 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,480 Jesus went to the to the temple was slipping tables 882 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,440 because they were doing the exact same thing. Well, this 883 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:41,119 is private property, he says, Well, don't call it the 884 00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,400 church called a place of business, because that's what I mean. 885 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,039 But he got kicked. You know, we'll see. I'll try 886 00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,880 to find it now, send it to you into Facebook 887 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,199 or something. I guess I can do that, couldn't I. 888 00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:59,400 But anyways, it's it's. 889 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,280 Speaker 1: Just really like this topic because it's taking us down 890 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,159 some good little rabbit. 891 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:09,119 Speaker 4: It's like you're saying, you gotta read it in context 892 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,000 because you can pick and cherry pick any durn verse 893 00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:19,800 you want, you know, just and Jesus said you'll be saved. Hey, 894 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,719 if you give me twenty million dollars, check out verse 895 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,400 wherever you will be saved. It tells you right there, 896 00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:32,239 just donate us some money. I don't think it works 897 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:32,920 so many. 898 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,320 Speaker 1: Because my name ain't Jesus, all right, justin back at it. 899 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 3: But so the whole, you know, the twin you know, 900 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,920 terminology goes to he had self knowledge, he found the 901 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,960 divine within, you know, Jesus says in the Book of. 902 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,199 Speaker 2: John, you know, I am the door. Whoever enters through 903 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,199 me shall be saved. You know. 904 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,880 Speaker 3: So it's it's already contradicting the Bible. But there's another 905 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,360 book that's the Gnostic book. It says the teaching of 906 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,480 Salvanus points to a different direction. That the teaching of 907 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:18,159 Salvanus was another Gnostic gospel found at Nagamandi Library, and 908 00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:24,000 it says, knock upon yourself as upon a door, and 909 00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:28,159 walk upon yourself as on a straight road. For if 910 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,519 you walk upon that road, it is impossible for you 911 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:36,159 to go astray. Open the door for yourself that you 912 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:41,920 may know what is. Whatever you open for yourself, you 913 00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:48,679 will open. So it's all about you, divine knowledge and 914 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,079 Christ's consciousness. 915 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 2: Once again, so not God will open the door. You 916 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,119 have to open it. 917 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,400 Speaker 3: Yes, you don't need God, you don't need Jesus. 918 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,840 Speaker 1: I know it's not exactly the same, But every time 919 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,039 we talk about this, it reminds me. It reminds me. 920 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,440 Speaker 2: Sorry, that's what I was talking about. That's why it 921 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:08,960 ain't working. 922 00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 3: That you need that got the four five. 923 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:12,760 Speaker 1: It's been working. 924 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,679 Speaker 2: I've seen online. It's that one that has the four 925 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:17,039 or five. 926 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,039 Speaker 1: I have been using it, but I pulled that one 927 00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:20,280 out because I had that one too. 928 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,760 Speaker 3: That's how it runs off of that thing. 929 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,039 Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna die right now. 930 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, hmmmmmmmm yeah, this is going uh h h yeah. 931 00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 2: Now it's got a lot in bold on it. 932 00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:58,280 Speaker 1: I won't turn back on now. Hold on, let me 933 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,159 do this real quick. It's got the battery in it still. 934 00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:03,000 I think that it's it. I can't get it to 935 00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:05,519 do both. When the batteries in it stops at the 936 00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,880 battery I should have I didn't even think about it. 937 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,480 But I don't have a case for this battery have 938 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,280 a case for all the other ones. For some reason, 939 00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:27,119 I don't know. I gotta get now. It doesn't want 940 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:27,760 to turn on at all. 941 00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:33,119 Speaker 2: You got a new battery. You just put a new 942 00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:34,159 battery in to turn it on. 943 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,599 Speaker 1: Like Jesus, that things like one hundred and fifty degrees. 944 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:47,079 That's hot, that's really hot. That's weird. It says it's 945 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:48,559 this battery still says it's full. 946 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,559 Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty warm too. 947 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 1: That's turned on. 948 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's pretty odd to mm hmm. 949 00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:26,519 Speaker 1: All right, it's working again. I remember what I was saying, 950 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:34,480 what are we talking about? I think I had. 951 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,559 Speaker 4: A good point too. Back he didn't play it. You 952 00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:37,880 do that? 953 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 3: Well, he's talking about knocking, the door will be open. 954 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,719 Speaker 2: You open the door. It's all on you. 955 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,119 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, what I was gonna say. I know 956 00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:51,679 it's not exactly the same, but it's it's the It 957 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,440 reminds me a little bit of that Founding Father's episode 958 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,679 with the whole you know reason right. I mean, I 959 00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:00,000 know it's not exactly the same, but. 960 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:00,599 Speaker 2: What's I say? 961 00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:02,559 Speaker 3: And you can see traces of it through as you. 962 00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:04,880 Speaker 1: Can, but the reasoning, like it makes more you know, 963 00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,639 if if you want to go down that path, people 964 00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:10,559 could say, well, it makes more sense that I have control. 965 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,840 It makes more sense that I don't have to rely 966 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,760 on a on a god I can't see, so my 967 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,639 only way to to save my soul or save whatever 968 00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,000 would be that I have to achieve that. It makes 969 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,800 more sense. Every time I was reading through this stuff, 970 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,639 I could just kind of feel that kind of that 971 00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:33,000 age of reason stuff kind of kind of encapsulating this 972 00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:34,880 a little bit. And like I said, I know it's 973 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,199 not exactly the same, but it just. 974 00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:39,079 Speaker 2: I think it's a branch of it. I truly do. 975 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,760 Speaker 1: You feel it from Yeah, you. 976 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,519 Speaker 2: See spirit behind all of it. 977 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: Well, that one hundred percent is true. But yeah, I 978 00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:51,239 did one more thing, and I know I've I've hit 979 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,719 this a couple of times on a couple of things 980 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,800 with this demi urge, which I think is just it's 981 00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:01,280 kind of an interesting figure. This this aon demiurge that 982 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,519 is supposed creator through the Gnostic ideology. But I thought 983 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,760 it was kind of interesting. And uh, this is just 984 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,480 straight from Wikipedia, believe it or not. This I just 985 00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:15,440 thought when I search that term, looked at that term, 986 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,559 it says the term derives from the Latinized form of 987 00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:24,840 the Greek word demi orgos, Literally it means public or 988 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,920 skilled worker. This figure is also killed or called sorry y'all, 989 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:37,559 the bath which means blind god or saclus, which means 990 00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:38,920 foolish one. 991 00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:41,480 Speaker 2: So the god of the blind. 992 00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:43,639 Speaker 1: Yes, So then you see, if you go a little further, 993 00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:45,840 it's all this is interesting, Like I said this is, 994 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,400 so take it for the source that it is. That's 995 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:55,920 why I preface that. But sometimes, uh, other names and 996 00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:01,280 identifications that are given to the same deity are a hireman, 997 00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:09,039 l Yahweh and guess what Satan always called all those 998 00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,920 different things at different times in different sects of this, 999 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,199 so they're even confusing. You know when we talk about 1000 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,000 Yahweh or Satan or just the word you know, the 1001 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:25,800 god l As we've talked about before, which we heard 1002 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,679 of as the actual god of that pantheon, you know L, 1003 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,360 but we've alway and the seventy sons, but we also 1004 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,760 heard of l As in like l Shouldai and you 1005 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,960 know when we talk about our god, you know, the 1006 00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:41,639 one true God. So I just think that's very interesting 1007 00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:46,159 that all those characters or names i should say, kind 1008 00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:49,320 of fall in and people can relate all those names 1009 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,920 back to that one creator. They even will talk about 1010 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,280 Satan as the potential name of the creator in this 1011 00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:59,840 which is I mean, if that's all true, that's very 1012 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,960 I don't know, you see how how easy it is 1013 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,239 for things to get askew. 1014 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,639 Speaker 7: And it's that way intentionally, oh it is, but it's 1015 01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:11,480 just it's just amazing how easy it is for people 1016 01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:14,880 to fall down these paths, these rabbit holes that if 1017 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,119 you're not founded, like I said, in your Bible, you 1018 01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:17,519 just you. 1019 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Put yourself at such a greater risk of being told 1020 01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:21,880 much easier. 1021 01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,559 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the Scottish rite of freemasonry, once you get 1022 01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:29,719 up that thirty third degree, they reveal to you that basically, 1023 01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:33,280 you know, and I've been reading that Morals and Dogma 1024 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:39,519 book and it's basically they paint Lucifer Satan as the 1025 01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:44,159 good guy that God Yahweh was was the creator God, 1026 01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:48,800 but he was this evil, benign god, and he holding 1027 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,159 us back and he wanted to keep us dumb and 1028 01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:54,920 be slaves. And Lucifer here come. He comes in to 1029 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,599 be our savior. He wants to give us knowledge and 1030 01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:02,079 wisdom and take care of us. And he give us 1031 01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:05,760 the apple and gave us wisdom and enlightened us, you know. 1032 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,079 And that's why they attribute the name Lucifer to him, 1033 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:13,400 because it's the light bringer, the knowledge bringer, and that 1034 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,519 that's the God that they worship. 1035 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 4: And how easy would that be for someone who does 1036 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,360 it know the Bible or is new into the Bible. 1037 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 6: Just well, that makes sense, you know. 1038 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:36,559 Speaker 1: It's very Prometheus if that makes sense. You know, coming 1039 01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:40,159 to you could easily fall for it. Oh oh yeah yeah, 1040 01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:42,360 but coming to you know, coming to our aid, coming 1041 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,079 to our rescue against God. You know that's the you 1042 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,280 see that time and time against the way we go 1043 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,119 back to Genesis six, the same thing when we look 1044 01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:52,800 through Enoch, you know they you know, we're coming down 1045 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,840 to help you know, initially coming down to help protect us. 1046 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,639 All the different stories coming down to the fallen angels 1047 01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:01,679 or you know, even going through the Opclu and all 1048 01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:04,519 these other different that they were. They were the good guys. 1049 01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:06,599 They were coming to save us. They were giving us knowledge, 1050 01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:08,280 They were giving us things that were supposed to be 1051 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,159 forbidden from us. 1052 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,519 Speaker 3: The Indians, you know, their gods came from the stars 1053 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,960 and then gave them knowledge and taught them how to 1054 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,760 cultivate the land. And yeah, they're always the savior, you know. 1055 01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:19,599 Speaker 1: M hm. 1056 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:21,519 Speaker 4: Wrong. 1057 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Well that's it. Then wrapped it up right there. 1058 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:28,440 Speaker 2: Do you want us next time? 1059 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 4: Hey, guys to this topic. Yeah, it's pull grab waste 1060 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,000 your time, see you next time. 1061 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 1: I just love the way, like I said, I love 1062 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,159 the rabbit holes. It takes you down because it gets 1063 01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:42,280 you thinking in different ways. 1064 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 4: And we also, you know, if somebody might be looking 1065 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,559 into this kind of stuff listening to us, and I'm like, well, 1066 01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:55,599 I didn't think of it that way. This is just 1067 01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:56,880 a big poi. 1068 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,960 Speaker 3: And a trick that's been played over and over again 1069 01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,000 and repackaged over and over again. 1070 01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:04,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's. 1071 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,519 Speaker 3: But with uh Sylvanus when he talked about you know, 1072 01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:13,599 you open the door, and you know it's all on you. 1073 01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:15,880 You know, you have to to do all these things. 1074 01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:20,519 When people asked if they should fast, if they should pray, 1075 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,159 you know, shall we give oms? You know, the diets? 1076 01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:26,440 Which ones should we observe? Observe the feast, the Holy days? 1077 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,840 And Jewish practices and stuff. When the la asked. In 1078 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:33,800 the Bible, the Gospel of Thomas has Jesus replying to them, 1079 01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:38,000 do not tell lies, Do not do what you hate, 1080 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,239 for all things are manifest in the sight of heaven. 1081 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,920 And what does that sound like? Do as that wilt? 1082 01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:49,920 Speaker 2: Hyeah? If you don't like it, don't do it. 1083 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:55,559 Speaker 4: You know, if you do like it, who cares? Yeah, 1084 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,719 I don't think that's that's very new age. It is 1085 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,480 that very new ag. Well, if you feel like a unicorn, 1086 01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:08,960 then just go be a unicorn, grow your horn, think 1087 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:11,400 your polka dot your body. 1088 01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:12,440 Speaker 6: And just be a unicorn. 1089 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm seeing a photo shoot in your future. 1090 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,199 Speaker 3: Set up by his jeep, some Daisy Dick shorts and. 1091 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,440 Speaker 6: Ranger panties. 1092 01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,559 Speaker 4: Yes, that's the inside joke. And if any of y'all 1093 01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:35,639 out there were in the military, do you know what 1094 01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:36,400 I'm talking about? 1095 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:45,280 Speaker 3: But Luke twenty two and Mark fourteen h and Mark 1096 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,320 Jesus declares that neither Satan's roll nor God's preordained plan 1097 01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:53,559 absolves Judas guilt, but the son of Man goes as 1098 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,039 it has been determined. But woe to that man by 1099 01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:02,119 whom he is betrayed. You know, John me armored Roman soldiers. 1100 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:08,760 Luke mentions only Jews, Unlike Matthew and Mark. Luke omits 1101 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,679 this verse and says, the son of Man is betrayed 1102 01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:14,440 into the hands of the sinners, you know, a ka 1103 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,920 the gentiles. You know, Luke was a gentile and was 1104 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,880 speaking to the gentile people. But the Gnostics deny the 1105 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,440 literal interpretation of the resurrection, and that that's another common thread. 1106 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,639 You know, it's beyond there. Like we talked about reason. 1107 01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,440 You know, remember the episode that we did on the 1108 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,239 Founding Fathers. You know, reason was their guide, and many 1109 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:42,480 like Thomas Jefferson, Payne Washington all denied the physical resurrection too. 1110 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,800 You know, the Gnostics used Luke and Mark to justify 1111 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,760 their beliefs because it appears in spirit form. You know, 1112 01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:55,239 he disappears out of sight into the clouds. He orders 1113 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,960 Mary not to touch him. You know that he does, 1114 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,599 you know, many supernatural quote unquote things that the flesh 1115 01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:07,559 is not capable of. And John twenty, verse seventeen, he said, 1116 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,199 don't cling to me, as I have not ascended to 1117 01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:10,719 the Father. 1118 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,480 Speaker 2: You know, I believe you know, this was because he 1119 01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:15,239 was the first fruits of the resurrection. 1120 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,360 Speaker 3: He wanted to present himself before the Father, you know, 1121 01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:22,920 untouched by human hands, undefiled. But they use this as 1122 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,719 their backing of he was not flesh, he was spirit, 1123 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:32,199 you know, So it was not a physical resurrection. But 1124 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:36,440 Paul describes the resurrection as a mystery, saying the flesh 1125 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,400 and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Gnostics believe 1126 01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:44,280 Jesus is forty days on earth after the resurrection was 1127 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,239 basically the transferring of his power to the apostles, and 1128 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,079 they call Christians that believe in the literal resurrection. The 1129 01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:56,719 faith of the fools. The Gospel of Mary says that 1130 01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,000 the appearance of Christ after his death was just dreaming 1131 01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:05,000 and visions. Jesus appears to Peter in another Nostic gospel, 1132 01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:08,760 the Apocalypse of Peter, in a vision, saying, I am 1133 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,480 the intellectual spirit, filled with radiant light. 1134 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:13,519 Speaker 2: You know. 1135 01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:17,079 Speaker 3: The light symbolizes wisdom and knowledge. And remember we said 1136 01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:20,320 it already. But Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 1137 01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:25,199 But they believe the resurrection is the moment of quote 1138 01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:30,800 unquote enlightenment. The world itself is an apparition, you know, 1139 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,599 like the matrix. You know, I'm sure you're sure most 1140 01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:36,679 people could see the hidden messaging, you know, in the matrix. 1141 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,679 But the Gospel fillip I mentioned earlier, it says those 1142 01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:45,280 who say they will die first then resurrect are in error. 1143 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,920 They must resurrect first while they are still alive. You know, 1144 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,840 are are you woke yet? 1145 01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:53,800 Speaker 1: You know? 1146 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,199 Speaker 3: Did Satan promise us wisdom and knowledge and that that 1147 01:07:57,239 --> 01:07:58,800 we would be as gods? 1148 01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:00,360 Speaker 2: You know, it's. 1149 01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:02,719 Speaker 3: It's it's pretty easy to see where this, you know, 1150 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,800 deception is coming from. They thought themselves special and that 1151 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,519 they were given divine knowledge. You know, to me, it 1152 01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:13,480 sounds a lot like Genesis six. But they even use 1153 01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:18,079 the words of mark Ah to you have been given 1154 01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,680 the mysteries of heaven. Most of the writers of these 1155 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,960 Gnostic gospels openly admit that there are derived from their 1156 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,640 own personal experience. You know, it's recorded that they would 1157 01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:34,199 ask internal questions and then answers would just spontaneously appear 1158 01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,920 to them in their minds, and images may appear, you know, 1159 01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:42,439 activities of imagination or unconsciousness, and they call them spiritual communication. 1160 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,239 I mean, it's just it's just new agey as new 1161 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:46,039 agey could be. 1162 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,840 Speaker 1: I think, I really think that that when you talk 1163 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,119 about that that that you know in the Genesis six stuff, 1164 01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:56,880 the same thing. I firmly believe this, and I think 1165 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,359 you can kind of see it throughout history that it's 1166 01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,000 not the only time that fallen angels have done those things. 1167 01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:05,479 I think we still see that to this day, that 1168 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:12,359 we see this this push in a different direction, or 1169 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:18,000 you know, someone given knowledge or something over it just 1170 01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:20,960 it it just doesn't sink up. I mean, even the 1171 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,600 advancement in our technology, right when you think that we 1172 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,039 went from the right brothers to being on the moon 1173 01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,479 in less than one hundred years or about one hundred years. 1174 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:35,560 I mean, you think about that. That's that the the 1175 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:42,520 different things that we see, the different, the different the 1176 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,760 way that the world keeps changing. You can see that 1177 01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:50,520 there's definitely an impression that's being that's being put there. 1178 01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:56,960 And it takes me down another rabbit hole. 1179 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:57,159 Speaker 6: Though. 1180 01:09:57,159 --> 01:09:59,399 Speaker 1: It always makes me wonder. Sorry, this is way off 1181 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,199 base again, but it makes me wonder when we you know, 1182 01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:05,279 we talked about numerous times in the past. You know, 1183 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,039 like when Abraham has the angels come to him, right, 1184 01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:13,800 they come in physical form, they're there, they eat. Why 1185 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,800 can't a fallen angel take on physical form, show himself 1186 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,600 be a I don't be a politician, you don't be uh, 1187 01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:26,119 someone that is the head of I don't know certain 1188 01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:32,880 movements or or things that cause new way exactly. Why 1189 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,000 why can't that happen? I I firmly believe it does. 1190 01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:39,520 I also believe in the same breath that when you 1191 01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:44,119 saw Jesus, you know, taken by Satan, you know, in 1192 01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:46,479 in the saying, hey, you know, if you bow to me, 1193 01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,920 I'll give you all these kingdoms. And if if you 1194 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,960 know if you cast yourself down, says that you know, 1195 01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:53,000 not a foot will hit a stone, you know, angels 1196 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,800 will rescue you, and he's tempting him that way. He's 1197 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,359 but I believe that that same stuff, and this is 1198 01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:00,960 once again my belief that that same stuff has happened 1199 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,039 in this day and age where someone has, you know, 1200 01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:08,800 a Satan whatever you want to call it, chaos, some 1201 01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,720 form of that entity has come and said, hey, to 1202 01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:14,920 I don't care if you're Mark Zuckerberg, whoever you are, coming, 1203 01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,800 I said, listen, I will give you all this if 1204 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,600 you just do this for me, you know, the whole 1205 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,000 selling your soul of the devil kind of thing. But 1206 01:11:23,079 --> 01:11:25,279 I think that that same thing keeps taking us down 1207 01:11:25,319 --> 01:11:27,720 these paths. You have somebody come up, Who's to say 1208 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:32,439 that the father of narcissism wasn't just one of these 1209 01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,920 fallen angels trying to lead people away from the truth 1210 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,319 of Jesus. I mean, I I know that's a whole 1211 01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:39,399 nother rabbit trail, and I know that's way off, but 1212 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,439 it's just it's just amazing to me how you see 1213 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,760 so many people fall away so fast and jump on 1214 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:51,439 these other new ideas, and just because it's the hot 1215 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:56,279 new thing. But I don't believe that people are that stupid. 1216 01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,960 I really don't. I mean I think that they need 1217 01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:02,840 to be pushed in those directions or pulled in those directions. 1218 01:12:03,079 --> 01:12:04,920 I don't think people are that dumb. So when we 1219 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,680 talk about gnosticism and these ideas of enlightenment and think 1220 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,159 these new agey ideas that even the Founding Fathers that 1221 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:13,800 they're in, I mean, who's to say that one of 1222 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,319 them fallen angels didn't Their signature is not on the 1223 01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:20,119 Declaration Independence. I don't know. I know that sounds crazy 1224 01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,560 and I can cut this part out, but what but 1225 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,920 when we go through and we talk about these things, 1226 01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,079 I believe that there's so much God has given us 1227 01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:32,520 so much free will. You know, we're able to pick 1228 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,680 and choose what we do, but just as much as 1229 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,920 we have Him here on this side saying hey, you know, 1230 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,840 our conscience telling us what's right wrong. Like you said before, 1231 01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:44,680 we all know what's wrong to kill. Do people still kill? 1232 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,279 Yeah they do. We all know it's wrong to steal. 1233 01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:48,199 Do people still steal? 1234 01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1235 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,319 Speaker 1: They do? So where's that other voice? 1236 01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,840 Speaker 4: Well, it's just like Doug was saying today at church 1237 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,279 he said, people who, you know, if you're not walking 1238 01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:02,840 with the Lord, not even thinking about God, they're just 1239 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,479 living their life. Hey, I'm gonna do this, do that. 1240 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,520 Whatever makes me feel good, That's what you're gonna do. 1241 01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:13,920 And the on the angel side of things, they have 1242 01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:19,199 free will also because they come down the devil, the 1243 01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:21,720 devil's tails swoop to third of the angels with them. 1244 01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:27,520 Who's to say, oh, Bobby up Aaron heavens got tired 1245 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,560 of doing God's will and he's like, you know what, 1246 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:35,279 I'm going down there with him. 1247 01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:37,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard. We don't know because like I said, 1248 01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,479 it's not scriptural. You don't see that. You don't see 1249 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,319 like a second incursion or anything. But I I just 1250 01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:47,039 firmly before it could it could possibly happen. 1251 01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:48,840 Speaker 4: Again. I'm not saying it did. 1252 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,720 Speaker 1: But I think some of those same ones because we 1253 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,279 can see it. And if we talk about Genesis six, 1254 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,039 I'm sorry we're jumping around again, but if we're talking 1255 01:13:56,039 --> 01:13:59,119 about Genesis six and you're talking about the fallen angels 1256 01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:01,359 and and and the one that were you know, trapped 1257 01:14:01,359 --> 01:14:05,800 and taken to Tartarus, right that, then where are these 1258 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,880 fallen angels? These other principalities that are the Prince of 1259 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,960 Grecia and the Prince of Persia that we hear in Daniel. 1260 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,039 I mean, there are other spiritual entities. 1261 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,880 Speaker 2: They ruled unjustly. 1262 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,399 Speaker 1: But these are other entities that are here that are 1263 01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,800 not in Tartaris. They're not the same. So we see 1264 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,359 that they're here after the fall in Genesis six, after 1265 01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:33,800 everything happens, after they were put in Tartarus. So if 1266 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,239 we're seeing that, you still see that those evil powers 1267 01:14:37,279 --> 01:14:39,640 are here on earth that are pushing people in these 1268 01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,560 these other ideologies that are trying to and what they do, 1269 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,960 like we said before, is they pervert the truth just 1270 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,039 a little bit, and guess what, we're gonna take it 1271 01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:49,119 a little bit more. And it's that whole you know, 1272 01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:51,479 Satan mask rages an angel of light. We all we 1273 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,760 said that a million times, but it's so true because 1274 01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,159 it's like, look, here's the truth, but I'm gonna change 1275 01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,359 just one little part of it, and I'm gonna change 1276 01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:00,720 one little more part, and it's going to get to 1277 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:01,880 the point where you just like. 1278 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that. 1279 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,359 Speaker 1: I can believe that because, like I said, I don't 1280 01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:08,680 believe people are that stupid. 1281 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,000 Speaker 4: No, because I think he has to. He has to 1282 01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:14,960 do it in little pieces, because if he goes so 1283 01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:20,560 drastic like that's you know, that's but life obvious. Yeah. 1284 01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,359 Speaker 3: Well even psychologists, you know, like U. I listen to 1285 01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:25,439 a lot of Jordan Peterson, and he was talking about 1286 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,399 you know how how your neurons fire and the chemicals 1287 01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:32,920 your body produces, the serotonin and stuff when you lie. 1288 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,640 I mean you can physically see the effects that it 1289 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,079 has just from lying. And he said, and it has 1290 01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:44,199 been proven with light detector tests. If if a lie 1291 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:48,800 is repeated enough, you believe, you believe it. So think 1292 01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,159 about it. You get told a small lie, and then 1293 01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:55,520 you tell it to your kids, and then your kids 1294 01:15:56,279 --> 01:15:58,720 keep passing it on down the line. Well it's done, 1295 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,479 went through two or three generations, that lie is now truth. 1296 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:02,439 Speaker 2: Well then what. 1297 01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:06,720 Speaker 3: Happens when somebody takes that lie that has become quote 1298 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,279 unquote truth and adds a little bit more of a 1299 01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:11,880 caveat to it and turns a little bit more than 1300 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,720 it travels to or three generations. Now, that lie that's 1301 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,960 had another lie added into it is now truth. And 1302 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,920 that's how it goes. It just perpetulates on down the line. 1303 01:16:22,039 --> 01:16:23,359 Speaker 1: Treated the truth for a lie. 1304 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, amen, I mean right there. 1305 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,560 Speaker 3: And I want to try to tie this into a 1306 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:34,119 pretty bow because what you talked about was, you know, 1307 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:38,199 the slow perversion over time and the fallen angel or 1308 01:16:38,359 --> 01:16:43,840 spirit that's behind it. I can tie I think I 1309 01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:50,920 can tie it in with Valentinis because ernalist, you know, 1310 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,560 compared to these gnostics, to artists, he said, creating new myths, poems, 1311 01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:00,399 and rituals and dialogues with Christ and Marcus, which was 1312 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,159 a student of Valentinis. He had a vision of a 1313 01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:07,399 naked woman come from heaven and her name was Truth, 1314 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,840 you know, aka the Naked Truth. You know, it might 1315 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,880 be where we got that from. But he was given 1316 01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:17,199 divine knowledge and he had an initiation ritual after quote 1317 01:17:17,279 --> 01:17:22,479 unquote invoking the spirit. You know what was this, you know, 1318 01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,520 like an esoteric ritual with drugs involved. We don't know, 1319 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,399 we can only speculate, but they would receive direct contact 1320 01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,760 with the divine in this ceremony. You know, to me, 1321 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,560 it sounds an awful lot like Hollywood elites and their 1322 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,720 you know, ayahuasca trips, having these divine encounters and stuff. 1323 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:45,560 But the Gnostics were basically the way, like I said, 1324 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,960 I'm pulling all this stuff from that that pagan or pagan. 1325 01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:52,159 Yes she is, but what would I say her name 1326 01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:58,840 Elaine Pagel's Elaine Pagan, Elaine Pagan. But she compares these 1327 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:03,000 Gnostics as the that stood up against the established church. 1328 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,760 She said they believed that it was a power grab. 1329 01:18:07,399 --> 01:18:10,279 And this sounds a lot like the Founding Fathers, you know, 1330 01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,119 escaping England and the Roman Catholic Church so they could 1331 01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:17,720 practice and be free to practice their own religions and 1332 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,880 do what they wanted to do. But they've seen it 1333 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,840 as the Roman Catholic Church as a power grab and 1334 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,159 it was meant to enslave the people and control them 1335 01:18:26,199 --> 01:18:27,159 and keep them ignorant. 1336 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,600 Speaker 2: You know. They believe that the church leaders were holding 1337 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:31,920 back knowledge. You know. 1338 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,880 Speaker 3: To me, this goes back to the Garden of Eden. 1339 01:18:34,119 --> 01:18:37,640 You know, many secret societies were Sip, Lucifer and Satan. 1340 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,119 I talked about that earlier, but now you see this 1341 01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:44,720 playing out with these early church fathers and the Gnostics. 1342 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,359 Nothing news under the sun, right, So it's like that 1343 01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,680 quote it Sometimes they believe it's better to rule in 1344 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,720 hell than to serve in heaven, and we see that 1345 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,600 working out through this Gnostic movement in the separation of 1346 01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,720 the Church. But Arnelius says, they consider themselves that was mature, 1347 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,880 so that no one can con be prepared to them 1348 01:19:03,279 --> 01:19:07,920 and their gnoss which means knowledge, not even Peter or Paul. 1349 01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:11,720 The apostles, so think, you know, they knew more than 1350 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:12,199 the men that. 1351 01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:13,079 Speaker 2: Walked with Christ. 1352 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,520 Speaker 3: You know, this has the pride of Satan all over it. 1353 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:22,680 But another Gnostic gospel, the Dialogue of the Savior, praises 1354 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,520 Mary as a woman who knew all, you know, the 1355 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:31,640 queen of Heaven. But another one, the Apocalypse of Peter 1356 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,239 in the latest most recent version of that Gnostic gospel 1357 01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:39,199 found at Nacimande, was two to three hundred a d. 1358 01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:43,399 But it was a direct attack against the Roman Church, 1359 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:50,239 calling those self proclaimed bishops and deacons waterless canals. You know, 1360 01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:52,199 it sounds a lot like Jude when he was talking 1361 01:19:52,199 --> 01:19:55,159 about the false teachers and compared them to waterless clouds. 1362 01:19:56,199 --> 01:20:00,439 But the gnostisted rejected the visical resurrect. 1363 01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:03,159 Speaker 2: And they also devalued the body. 1364 01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:07,479 Speaker 3: You know, it considered its actions of sexual acts and 1365 01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,840 drugs and things like that unimported, unimportant to the spiritual person. 1366 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,720 The Gospel of Thomas Jesus says, if spirit came into 1367 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:21,720 being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, 1368 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,600 I am amazed at how this great wealth the spirit 1369 01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:30,760 has made its home in this poverty. Talking about the body. 1370 01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,119 But the Gnostics they stood close, you know, to Greek 1371 01:20:36,399 --> 01:20:39,319 and to Hindu and to Buddhists. You know, philosophic tradition 1372 01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,760 the spirit residing in the body. And like you said, 1373 01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,640 you know just enough truth to sound right, but you know, 1374 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,640 just pervert it. But the actual person is the spirit. 1375 01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,880 The body is an instrument to which the soul operates. 1376 01:20:54,279 --> 01:20:56,079 And so you see how Satan operates. He gives you 1377 01:20:56,119 --> 01:20:57,920 hints of the truth. He perverts it in parts of 1378 01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:59,880 the doctrine, you know, parts of these doctrines. You know, 1379 01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:02,520 I think even you know, we could agree with, you know, 1380 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,720 because there's some partial truth there. But they had some 1381 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,920 parts right. And then the things that they had wrong 1382 01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:12,479 they had very very wrong, and they were very important. 1383 01:21:13,239 --> 01:21:15,960 So you know, sexual acts, drug, strong drink, things like 1384 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,479 that didn't bother them, so they didn't align with the whole. 1385 01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,680 The body is the temple theology that we have in 1386 01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,199 our scripture, and it's the whole do as that wilt. 1387 01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:34,199 But the Christian creed says, I believe in one Godfather, Almighty, 1388 01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:37,640 Maker of heaven and earth. You know this was made 1389 01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:44,199 exclusively toward the followers of macron in a Christian and 1390 01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:48,399 Asia minor, which was Turkey, who saw the contrast between 1391 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,640 the gods or the God of the Old Testament and 1392 01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,880 the God of the New Testament. He said that there 1393 01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:58,640 must be two gods. Orthodox Christians usually group Gnostics with 1394 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:03,439 these guys, and they called them the Macronists or the Duellists. 1395 01:22:04,039 --> 01:22:08,800 Another Gnostic gospel called the Hypostasis of the Acrons, and 1396 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:13,000 you mentioned those guys earlier, but that book confirms this 1397 01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:16,399 belief when it says that the creators vain claim to 1398 01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,680 hold an exclusive monopoly on the divine power shows that 1399 01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:25,640 he is blind because of his power and his ignorance 1400 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:30,159 and his arrogance. He said, it is I who am God, 1401 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,279 and there is none other than me. When he said this, 1402 01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:38,319 he sinned against the entirety, and a voice came forth 1403 01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:42,119 from above the realm of absolute power, saying you are 1404 01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:46,840 mistaken sam a l which means God of the blind. 1405 01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,960 Another book of Theirs was on the Origin of the 1406 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,039 world and it kind of goes over that same thing, 1407 01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:58,399 but it says this was discovered in the same codex. 1408 01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,800 At Nakamandi was a variant of the same story, but 1409 01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,840 only this time Faith was described as a woman who 1410 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,960 rebukes him. So the same Sam a l god of 1411 01:23:09,039 --> 01:23:12,960 the blind. So we just you know, we see all 1412 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,840 over again the whole Genesis three Genesis six narrative. Uh 1413 01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:25,000 the hey, I'm just saying it. But the Gnostic authors 1414 01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:28,199 uh use in this same uh the origins of the world. 1415 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,319 The Gnostic authors use a play on words in their 1416 01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:34,000 retelling of Genesis three. I thought this was very interesting. 1417 01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,039 They use the Aramaic word uh hell whah. 1418 01:23:38,119 --> 01:23:40,640 Speaker 2: Which is h e w y a, which I'm sure 1419 01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,600 I butchered. But they use that word for the serpent, 1420 01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:44,720 and that. 1421 01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:50,840 Speaker 3: Instructs. It means instructs or teaches. And then for Eve 1422 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,680 they used the word hah wah, which sounds similar but 1423 01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:59,279 it's spelled h a w a h. And this instead 1424 01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:20,319 of tempting Adam, she gives life to him and instructs him. 1425 01:24:12,399 --> 01:24:14,239 Speaker 1: Just a little bit. We're going to keep taking it 1426 01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:16,960 a little bit and pervert the truth a little bit. 1427 01:24:17,039 --> 01:24:18,560 And perverting the truth a little bit. 1428 01:24:21,039 --> 01:24:23,319 Speaker 3: But you mentioned that wolves and sheep clothing. I think 1429 01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:28,479 it was Arnalis. He used that exact same terminology describing 1430 01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,039 these guys. He said this about them, such persons are 1431 01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,479 to outward appearance as sheep, for they seem to be 1432 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,960 like us from what they say in public, repeating the 1433 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,159 same words of confession that we do. But inwardly they 1434 01:24:41,159 --> 01:24:42,399 are wolves. 1435 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,760 Speaker 2: Mm hm. You know that goes back to Washington. 1436 01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:53,000 Speaker 3: He went to church and prayed and said, recited the 1437 01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:57,520 same stuff that they recited the doctrines, but when it 1438 01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:01,560 comes time through the last Supper, he would slide on 1439 01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:02,439 out the back door. 1440 01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:03,439 Speaker 2: Mm hm. 1441 01:25:08,199 --> 01:25:11,319 Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean it. You can see how everything 1442 01:25:11,359 --> 01:25:13,680 can acts. 1443 01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:23,239 Speaker 3: I'm trying to find the thing about Valentinus, but basically, uh, 1444 01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,520 it's I can't remember, for it's let me. I don't 1445 01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,279 want to just air quote that. Let me try to 1446 01:25:27,319 --> 01:25:29,720 find it because it was profound. I can't remember I 1447 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:34,119 for it was arn Alias or who. But they called 1448 01:25:34,199 --> 01:25:35,399 him out and said that. 1449 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,880 Speaker 2: Basically he was a. 1450 01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,319 Speaker 3: Christian, come to church every day and was even seeking 1451 01:25:43,359 --> 01:25:46,520 to be a bishop. And it wasn't until he was 1452 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,920 declined and they wouldn't accept him as a bishop. That's 1453 01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,359 when all of a sudden he become enlightened. 1454 01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:53,319 Speaker 1: I did see that too. 1455 01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,039 Speaker 2: He what it was he was. 1456 01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:59,079 Speaker 3: He was ticked off and felt rejected because he was 1457 01:25:59,159 --> 01:26:04,039 denied quote unquote the power of a position of authority. 1458 01:26:04,399 --> 01:26:06,840 So then he just made up his own religion and 1459 01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:22,319 took half the church with him. 1460 01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,399 Speaker 1: Must be in here I saw it before. 1461 01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:29,119 Speaker 2: Okay, here it is. 1462 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,079 Speaker 3: But the Gnostics were stealing people from the church and 1463 01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:39,279 speaking out against the Catholic Church, calling out their abuse 1464 01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:43,399 of power, and basically started on a cult. But the 1465 01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:47,079 Gnostics seen it as a power grab. But there is 1466 01:26:47,119 --> 01:26:51,119 a clear motive behind the rebellion of Virtulian, who was 1467 01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:54,279 the founder of the Gnostic movement. He seeks to be 1468 01:26:54,319 --> 01:26:56,880 a bishop of Rome. And it wasn't until he was 1469 01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,399 selected that he or not selected, that he earned on 1470 01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:03,359 the church and became enlightened. So if he come in, 1471 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,880 you know, all of a sudden became enlightened after he 1472 01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,840 was rejected. You know who was he enlightened by? 1473 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:10,079 Speaker 4: You know? 1474 01:27:10,199 --> 01:27:14,760 Speaker 3: Tertullian says this about you know, Vultaian arrogance. His arrogance 1475 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:20,720 was unmatched. He said, he possessing all the pompous air 1476 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,680 of a cock. You know, it sounds like Fertulian was 1477 01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,920 full of pride, jealousy, and envy, and these are all 1478 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:35,319 characteristics of Satan. And Arnalius claimed that the gnosticism stemmed 1479 01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:39,359 from Simon Magnus. You remember him from our Axe Bible study. 1480 01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:40,560 Speaker 2: He was the. 1481 01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,079 Speaker 3: Magician that tried to buy the power of the Holy 1482 01:27:43,119 --> 01:27:48,640 Spirit from Peter. So, you know, Arnalius uh says that's 1483 01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,760 where a lot of this this gnostic stuff came from too. 1484 01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:54,439 Speaker 1: I think that's that part was probably one of the 1485 01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,680 most interesting to me, because you see, you know, he 1486 01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,479 supposedly converted that he tries to buy the power of 1487 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,760 the Holy Spirit right when we're an axe, and he 1488 01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,359 goes through and and does that. But it was really 1489 01:28:06,399 --> 01:28:11,840 interesting because you can see here it is following conversion, 1490 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,720 because it says that that Simon assumed the divine title 1491 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:26,119 of the great power of God. Irenaeus recorded that Simon 1492 01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:30,720 actually believed himself to be God, and ieron Aeus's account, 1493 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:35,520 Simon preached himself as God who first created thought, the 1494 01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:41,199 mother of all, his female companion. Wait, oh, that was 1495 01:28:41,279 --> 01:28:43,680 the mother of all. That was his female companion thought. 1496 01:28:44,399 --> 01:28:48,920 Irenaeus further records that Simon claimed that from thought, the 1497 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,880 angels and human beings were created, but because the angels 1498 01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,920 were governing the world so badly, Simon descended into human 1499 01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:01,640 form to bring things into order. Goes On, Simon promised 1500 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,199 that when order came, his followers would be saved in 1501 01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:08,439 this world would be dissolved. And I think that is 1502 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:14,079 just just nuts, it says. Although the account of Simon's 1503 01:29:14,119 --> 01:29:20,760 religious beliefs includes no references to saving nosis, Iranaus concluded 1504 01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:25,159 that Simon gave up the falsely so called nosis gave 1505 01:29:25,279 --> 01:29:29,119 I'm sorry, the falsely so called nosis its beginnings. I 1506 01:29:29,119 --> 01:29:33,279 thought that was just so has a whole bunch, you 1507 01:29:33,359 --> 01:29:33,479 know what. 1508 01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,039 Speaker 2: I mean, they're just listening to it now. 1509 01:29:35,119 --> 01:29:36,960 Speaker 3: I'm just like, how can anybody believe it? 1510 01:29:39,159 --> 01:29:44,159 Speaker 4: Well, it's the thing, it's like they I don't know, 1511 01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:48,520 it's like they wanted to believe something but the whole 1512 01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,000 truth for a lie. They didn't want to believe the truth. 1513 01:29:51,079 --> 01:29:52,840 Speaker 3: Well, see, to me, I think it's funny is that 1514 01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,439 they're completely guilty of what they were accusing the Roman 1515 01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,479 Catholic Church of. They said, the Roman Catholic Church just 1516 01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:02,880 wanted to and it was a power grab and well, 1517 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:09,319 then you're getting all this secret knowledge and ascending to enlightenhood, 1518 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,920 you know, and getting these extra special powers. 1519 01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,800 Speaker 4: And different when you're the one getting the power. 1520 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, or Simon right here, who's who's like you 1521 01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:19,319 said claiming he is God? 1522 01:30:20,039 --> 01:30:21,640 Speaker 3: Like how much more do you want? 1523 01:30:23,039 --> 01:30:25,720 Speaker 1: Exactly? How much more do you want? Attention? I just 1524 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,479 thought that was pretty amazing and that, like, again, I 1525 01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,560 can't plug it enough, but love logos. That stuff comes 1526 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,840 straight out of there just by searching certain things like 1527 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:38,479 that just blows me away. But yeah, I absolutely love that. 1528 01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:39,319 Speaker 4: Wow. 1529 01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,920 Speaker 1: Don't love that it happened, but love the information, love 1530 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,840 that that you can see it. I always want to 1531 01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:48,079 see it scripturally and then to have it connected by 1532 01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:53,840 a first century, first century church father, you know, to 1533 01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,640 see that you're seeing the correlation between the Biblical account 1534 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,600 and through something that's non you know, nine cannon, but 1535 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,960 you're seeing that correlation. I just think I always find 1536 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,199 that fascinating because to me, it just keeps continuing to 1537 01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:11,720 prove the Bible true. So I just love seeing that. 1538 01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:14,840 Speaker 3: But I mean I already had my doubts anyway about 1539 01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,399 this this Elaine woman in the books I was reading 1540 01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:19,319 because it's how she was wording things. But if I 1541 01:31:19,359 --> 01:31:22,760 had any doubt when I got to this section, she 1542 01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,399 was like taking up for the Gnostics, and you know, 1543 01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,439 she was repeating the same thing she was saying. 1544 01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:29,399 Speaker 2: You know, it was a power graph. They were keeping 1545 01:31:29,399 --> 01:31:30,079 the people. 1546 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:35,720 Speaker 3: Dumb, and these guys had visions from God and told 1547 01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,119 about their visions, and they were labeled heresy. But at 1548 01:31:39,119 --> 01:31:41,880 the same time, it's okay for the church fathers to 1549 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,760 have dreams of enlightenment and the Holy Spirit tell them things, 1550 01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,159 but when they try to do it, it's not it's 1551 01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:49,760 not cool. 1552 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:50,920 Speaker 2: They're heretics. 1553 01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,520 Speaker 3: And where the Roman Catholic Church had so much power 1554 01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:57,680 And basically what she said was is, you know, the 1555 01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,319 winner tells the story is the Roman Catholic Church had 1556 01:32:01,319 --> 01:32:04,239 so much power and influence they snuffed out the Gnostics 1557 01:32:04,319 --> 01:32:07,760 and drove them underground, having their books burned and destroyed, 1558 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,359 and labeled them as heretics and cast them out of society. 1559 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,840 You know that the only books that remained were the 1560 01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,640 ones that were hid. And you know, she really paints 1561 01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,359 a favorable picture for the Gnostics as poor victims of 1562 01:32:18,399 --> 01:32:21,439 the powerful, you know, Roman Catholic Church. And don't get 1563 01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,960 me wrong. I ain't defending the Roman Catholic Church, you know. 1564 01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:24,800 Speaker 2: I mean they've done a. 1565 01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:29,199 Speaker 3: Lot of wicked stuff, but so is all of humanity. 1566 01:32:29,359 --> 01:32:31,319 You know, you don't throw out the baby with the 1567 01:32:31,359 --> 01:32:38,039 bathwater or judge, you know, religion by one person's or 1568 01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:42,079 a handful of you know, their actions and misusing it. Yes, agreed, 1569 01:32:42,399 --> 01:32:45,239 that's a very uh straw man tactic, you know. 1570 01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,640 Speaker 1: Well, And that right there is the truth because if 1571 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,039 you see it, you can It's what I said earlier 1572 01:32:51,039 --> 01:32:53,359 about the church, is that you can have someone who 1573 01:32:53,399 --> 01:32:55,960 who drives someone away from the church because they treat 1574 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,960 somebody like they're a sinner like and they're not, you know, 1575 01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,199 just the judgment that people give when that's so not 1576 01:33:03,319 --> 01:33:05,000 the case. When you have to look at the whole 1577 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:06,800 and you have to look at how forgiving God is 1578 01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:12,000 and not worry about like how how humans perceive you, 1579 01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:15,279 or or that your sin is any greater than anybody else's. 1580 01:33:15,279 --> 01:33:18,600 You have to always remember that that Jesus loves you, 1581 01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:22,960 God loves you, and not to look at what other people, 1582 01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:25,800 how other people come off to you. It's the same 1583 01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,760 it's the same thing again. It's just like I said, 1584 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:28,920 it's repackaged a little bit. 1585 01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,319 Speaker 3: And you even have this transgender stuff in the Gospel 1586 01:33:32,319 --> 01:33:32,840 of Thomas. 1587 01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:33,960 Speaker 2: Did you run across that. 1588 01:33:35,239 --> 01:33:38,520 Speaker 3: Listen to this the Gospel of Thomas and others, you know, 1589 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,720 one of the Gnostic gospels. I've mentioned a couple of times, 1590 01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:46,840 but here it has Jesus saying this about women and marry. 1591 01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:51,199 I will lead her in order to make her male, 1592 01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:58,560 so that she too may become a living spirit resembling 1593 01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:03,000 you males. For every woman who will make herself male 1594 01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:04,800 will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. 1595 01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:06,439 Speaker 4: Wow. 1596 01:34:08,039 --> 01:34:09,479 Speaker 2: No, it didn't sound off to you. 1597 01:34:10,079 --> 01:34:11,199 Speaker 1: Didn't catch that one. 1598 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,479 Speaker 3: You are a few French right short of a happy meal. 1599 01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:16,880 Speaker 2: My gosh. 1600 01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:18,520 Speaker 1: But like you said, it's been. I mean, it's been 1601 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,479 around forever, been brought that up. This stuff has been 1602 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,119 you see it, and it just it just continues, and 1603 01:34:26,199 --> 01:34:28,359 it just gets more and more accepted over time. But 1604 01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:33,680 you see it back even to those biblical times, antiquity. 1605 01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:34,880 It just blows me away. 1606 01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:38,560 Speaker 3: But it stems from because where I got here says 1607 01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,640 that the Gnostics believed God to be what they called 1608 01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:47,600 a diad, both male and female. You know, well, to me, 1609 01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:50,600 what stands out that's male and female well, the baff 1610 01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,119 of me it he's got a little serpent twisting up 1611 01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:57,760 from his crotch area and boobs too. It's pretty clear 1612 01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:02,000 to me to me of being out. But I grew 1613 01:35:02,079 --> 01:35:03,760 up in church and stuff like that. But it's like, 1614 01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,239 you know, pretty clear to see who the message is 1615 01:35:07,279 --> 01:35:11,720 coming from. But there's they believe in also to the 1616 01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:16,800 esoteric symbolism and stuff like that, and just reading how 1617 01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,439 these people believe in stuff was just really intriguing to me. 1618 01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:24,720 They believe Paradise was an allegory for the mother's womb. 1619 01:35:26,079 --> 01:35:29,119 It says I am he that formed thee in the 1620 01:35:29,119 --> 01:35:34,439 mother's womb. That's Isaiah forty four two. Eden was the placenta, 1621 01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,319 and the river that flowed forth from Eden symbolizes the 1622 01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:44,159 navel which nourishes the fetus. And Simon Magnus says that 1623 01:35:44,319 --> 01:35:50,439 Exodus was symbolic the Red Sea crossing was the womb 1624 01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:54,720 and the blood of the womb. But there's another sect 1625 01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:59,319 called Scythians. But the Seythian Gnostics, they say that heaven 1626 01:35:59,359 --> 01:36:04,119 and Earth have similar shapes as a pregnant womb and 1627 01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:06,479 at the firm moment separates. 1628 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,119 Speaker 2: The waters from the waters. 1629 01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:11,560 Speaker 3: But a lot of them point to Clement too of 1630 01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,640 Alexandria and say that he was a gnostic because in 1631 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:21,560 his writings he said God has a feminine and masculine characteristics. 1632 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,520 And it says, quote the word like a mother nurses 1633 01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:29,600 the child with milk of love, and those suck at 1634 01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,119 the breast are truly happy, you know. 1635 01:36:32,199 --> 01:36:33,399 Speaker 2: So they're really. 1636 01:36:33,279 --> 01:36:36,159 Speaker 3: Caught up in this whole male and female. And you know, 1637 01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:41,840 but wouldn't it Christ himself that said that in me 1638 01:36:42,039 --> 01:36:44,600 there is no male or female, free or slaves, you 1639 01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:52,479 or gentile, Just just a lot of interesting stuff to 1640 01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:58,560 dig through. And it's just crazy just looking at the 1641 01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:03,279 correlations of today and how you can see hints and 1642 01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:09,239 bits and pieces of this everywhere. Ancient Egypt, Buddhists, you know, 1643 01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:15,279 the Dallists, the Freemasons, the the skull. 1644 01:37:15,039 --> 01:37:18,279 Speaker 2: And Bones, the rose and Cross. 1645 01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:22,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just I like how Derrek Gilbert says, 1646 01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:26,399 it's the the finger puppet on each hand, you know 1647 01:37:26,399 --> 01:37:28,439 what I mean. But it's all coming from the same source. 1648 01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,039 Speaker 1: It's just I think that the I guess the moral 1649 01:37:33,079 --> 01:37:39,840 of the story looking at this is seeing how how 1650 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,279 all these things, this evil that that has always been there, 1651 01:37:43,319 --> 01:37:46,800 we can see this through time, how things have been perverted, 1652 01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,760 and things keep changing, and and and they keep we 1653 01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,640 keep accepting, you know, or I shouldn't say we as 1654 01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,319 a whole, but I guess we as a people of 1655 01:37:55,399 --> 01:38:01,279 this country, of this world keep accepting ruths. And I 1656 01:38:01,399 --> 01:38:04,600 use truths in air quotes there, but new truths that 1657 01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:08,800 allow us to to be more, like I said, your 1658 01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,680 best self or or or you know, whatever you want 1659 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:15,119 to be. And it keeps taking us further and further 1660 01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:18,720 away from you know, that absolute truth that you were 1661 01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:24,159 talking about before, like Jesus is the only way, but 1662 01:38:25,079 --> 01:38:28,800 nobody wants to be responsible for their actions, so they 1663 01:38:29,279 --> 01:38:32,479 find a different way. And that makes these other ideas 1664 01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:34,039 and these other ways and these other parts of this 1665 01:38:34,079 --> 01:38:37,560 belief that much more attractive, because well, I don't have 1666 01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,920 to answer to somebody, And you see that all the 1667 01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,039 way through history with this is that all of a sudden, Oh, 1668 01:38:43,039 --> 01:38:46,159 it's up to you just to become self enlightened. So 1669 01:38:46,359 --> 01:38:48,159 I don't have to answer anybody. I can just do 1670 01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:50,319 this on my own, at my own speed. I can 1671 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,520 this is my own truth. This is my exactly, I mean, 1672 01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:57,199 that's what it's turned into. But it's the same thing. 1673 01:38:57,239 --> 01:39:00,720 It's repackaged. And this, this whole Gnostic idea, this whole 1674 01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,600 Gnostic movement, is right here right now. We see it 1675 01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:12,119 different name, different name, same thing, the same idea, same 1676 01:39:12,199 --> 01:39:16,119 basic principles that we're seeing right now. You're watching news 1677 01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:19,159 and see it the whole time. I mean, it's just 1678 01:39:19,159 --> 01:39:20,479 it's right there in front of you. Go to the 1679 01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:22,880 grocery store, it's right there all the time. Then turn 1680 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:24,640 on the TV. It's right there all the time. 1681 01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:29,600 Speaker 2: And I think you guys would agree with me. It's 1682 01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,920 usually somewhere in the middle. 1683 01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:36,720 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying the middle of Nostilism, but what 1684 01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:40,560 I mean is is like, there's nothing wrong with philosophy. 1685 01:39:41,359 --> 01:39:44,800 There's nothing wrong with wisdom. There's nothing wrong with reading 1686 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,800 and studying and having some self growth and trying to 1687 01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:52,720 better yourself, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. 1688 01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,159 And it's actually biblical. 1689 01:39:55,640 --> 01:40:00,199 Speaker 2: But Jesus is the way. Jesus is the truth, and 1690 01:40:00,279 --> 01:40:01,439 Jesus is the life. 1691 01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:08,079 Speaker 3: And I love just how Timothy Alvarino said that in 1692 01:40:08,079 --> 01:40:09,039 that episode with Us. 1693 01:40:09,079 --> 01:40:13,560 Speaker 2: You know, he said digging into the scriptures, and I 1694 01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,479 would apply this too with the whole self growth. 1695 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:21,760 Speaker 3: Both of those things you know are good things to do. 1696 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:27,560 But only if you got down the message of Christ 1697 01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:32,680 what that is, and be able to articulate that, and 1698 01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:37,880 not only articulate that and defend that. That's your foundation. 1699 01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:42,199 And once you have that, then go digging. You know, 1700 01:40:42,359 --> 01:40:44,520 there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But if you don't 1701 01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,399 have that foundation and you just start diving into all 1702 01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:51,439 these deep subjects and start looking at what these other 1703 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:55,920 religious people and belief systems are and what they believe in, 1704 01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:02,920 things like that, you're basically walking into a storm and 1705 01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:06,840 you're gonna get pushed around, tossed around, rained on. And 1706 01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:10,520 if you might build a really great looking forty foot 1707 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:15,399 tall mansion but it's built on sand, and that you're 1708 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,239 one wind gust away from being tore down. 1709 01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:21,439 Speaker 1: M M. 1710 01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:25,439 Speaker 3: But I guess we can wrap this up if you 1711 01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:28,640 guys are good, But I do we always want to 1712 01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:29,560 end on good notes. 1713 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:29,960 Speaker 1: Uh. 1714 01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:32,760 Speaker 2: And I know you talk about Origin a lot. 1715 01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:33,640 Speaker 5: Uh. 1716 01:41:34,119 --> 01:41:36,439 Speaker 3: I love what him and our Nelius said, And I 1717 01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:39,359 thought these were good, uplifting things to kind of close with. 1718 01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:44,039 But Origin said God would have not offered a way 1719 01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:49,760 of salvation accessible only to an intellectual or spiritual elite, 1720 01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:57,760 that it must be simple and accessible to all. And 1721 01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:03,640 then Ournalist declares, as the Sun, a creation of God, 1722 01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:07,680 is one and the same throughout. 1723 01:42:07,359 --> 01:42:08,279 Speaker 2: The whole world. 1724 01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:15,680 Speaker 3: Also, the preaching of the truth shines everywhere and enlightens 1725 01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:17,239 all people. 1726 01:42:19,079 --> 01:42:20,239 Speaker 2: Who are willing. 1727 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:24,359 Speaker 1: Truth. 1728 01:42:26,039 --> 01:42:29,279 Speaker 3: I hope this has been an enlightening conversation. 1729 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:30,920 Speaker 2: Keep digging. 1730 01:43:01,159 --> 01:43:03,760 Speaker 1: STI STI. 1731 01:43:05,319 --> 01:43:20,359 Speaker 5: Snipe starck ba Star the Stone all style STI sti 1732 01:43:22,199 --> 01:43:39,520 sne star Stone the Stone all sky STI STI snipe 1733 01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:56,159 bad star the Star all the style STI sti si 1734 01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:21,680 stop Stone Stone atoll skyner star starn set Stone stone 1735 01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:41,199 a styner sty st st Stone Stone a skyner. 1736 01:44:42,319 --> 01:44:44,680 Speaker 1: St st. 1737 01:44:46,520 --> 01:45:10,079 Speaker 5: St Star Stone Stone Atoll styner star starn Star Stone 1738 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,920 the Stone a poll styer. 1739 01:45:16,039 --> 01:45:18,600 Speaker 1: Sty star. 1740 01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:43,039 Speaker 5: Step Star of the Stone all style sty star start 1741 01:45:43,399 --> 01:45:52,079 Stone the Stone a style spy star