Speaker 1: Fifteen games in the NHL. For today, it's a Thursday
version of the Frozen Frenzy. We'll try and talk about
as many of them as we can here on Puck
Time Wager Talk TV. Andrew Carmine Prez with you to
break down some games, give you some props, and Karmen's
back with his pod.
Speaker 2: Hope you guys all.
Speaker 1: Had a winning and fun Wednesday night in the NHL
Small Slate.
Speaker 2: But I believe we did lead you in.
Speaker 1: The right direction with some picks myself and Don Buster
yesterday on the show. Happy to have Carmine back. We'll
bring Carmine in and then we'll go right to pres
with his breakdown. Good morning, karm good to see you.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be back Andrew for those who didn't know,
And I'll make it really quick because we got to
get the Pres in and note he's got another recording
to do, but slip the disc. Forty eight hours in bed,
you can only walk on your hands and knees to
get to the bathroom and back. But feeling better, I
can only sit up for about thirty thirty five minutes,
so this show before I got a light back down again.
But I'm getting better. I'm happy and a huge game.
Fifteen games tonight, only one tomorrow, but we're still gonna
have a show tomorrow because we've got to do the
six and sixty five wins. One push on the six
and sixty last weekend. We're gonna top it this week
a six and a week I feel it, Andrew. But
the last game of the night tonight is the Dallas
Stars in the Vegas Golden Knights. And because he's short
on time, let's bring him right in. Pres I didn't
give you the Leafs and the Seattle Kraken. I did
give you, though, this game.
Speaker 4: Where are you?
Speaker 2: There? You are?
Speaker 4: Ah, Kimbrin, there you are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes it's a little tricky. How are you? Everybody?
Loved to be our Carmi bie Go in the house.
What's going on?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 4: Not much?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Loving the hat, appreciate it. We have like what five
days left? Six days left before the NHL break price.
It's a good break because I think you're gonna enjoy
it as well too. It's like twenty days off with
no It sucks.
Speaker 5: But listen, I'm all about I'm all about international play.
I'm charing hardcore for Sweden at the Olympics. So go Swedes. Tonight,
Dallas playing Vegas. This is a great game. Car You know,
two really good teams. But you know Dallas and we've
been riding them, me and my clients for a while. Now.
They're in the process of sort of fixing that horrible
slump that they were in of late. Vegas has lost
four or five and the struggle here for me is
Vegas is goaltending and their defense. This team has allowed
ten goals in their last two games. Everybody is scoring
on them right now, and that's sort of where I'm looking.
I found a six, not a six and a half.
And I really like the over in this hockey game.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: Dallas just went over or three against Saint Louis. Before that,
they went under twice in a row. But you look
at this matchup and I say to myself, Okay, Vegas
is gonna get us some goals here. They're coming home
after two bad losses, a horrible four game road trip.
I think both these teams are going to score tonight.
Vegas is struggling to keep the puck out of the net.
Dallas has got offense galore. I'm not gonna overthink this
play I don't have a long handicap here. This is
a two percent client play for my clients. I like
the over in this game, car I had to bet
a side. I actually Andrew, I actually would lean on Vegas,
but very slightly. And that's only because they're coming into
this game with two losses Dallas with two wins, and
I think both these teams are around the same. So
I'd rather catch the flip flop if you will.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's one of those I was just gonna say,
I kind of like Dallas in this spot, and I'll
explain why, and I put up a free play on it.
It's also a small two client play. But you know,
the Vegas gold Knights come off that four game road trip.
Wasn't it a great one? They've had one day of
rest they played on twenty seventh. They travel back home
East Coast trip, and their only win was that emotional
return of Mitch martin Or to Toronto. The team seemed
to have left it off the ice. I faded them
against the Montreal Canadians. Thankfully, Andrews Habs team got me
the win there in that one. Now they return home
and Dallas seems to have their number they've beaten them
five or six games. They beat them in Vegas four
to three in OT, and it's just one of those
ones where Vegas went through that nice little run, Dallas
went through that slump where they went two and twelve,
but they've won three or four games now they're playing better,
and it's just one of those ones where I don't
want to lay any viig with either one of these teams.
So getting some plus money with Dallas seems like the
right thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and what about looking at taking overtime here? I mean,
I wouldn't be surprised if this game ends up being
an OT game. So I don't disagree Karl, Like, I'm
not going to be betting Vegas here. My Leena is
on Vegas. I understand your Dallas pick. I'm just gonna
bet the over and hope for scores. Really, that's sort
of how I'm attacking it. Honestly, I would do the
same with the Leafs. I would take the over with
the Leafs too. I just don't like that at six
and a half, so it did not make my client list, all.
Speaker 3: Right, dude, thirty teams in action tonight, fifteen games. Tell
us what you have over at wager Talk.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I got four NHL plays up tonight. That's
about as big as it gets for me and my clients.
But I'm absolutely rolling right now in both the NBA
and college basketball. Fifteen and five run, eight and two
runs in basketball. I'm on a nine to one college
basketball run. I've won the NBA my last three days,
so I got one NBA and one college basketball play
up tonight as well. I'm excited about the card, I'm
excited about the night. Thanks for having me everybody, and
I won't see you next week, so we'll see you
in the week after the super Bowl. I just remember,
when watching the Super Bowl, lots of betting opportunities the
following day, so no need to make or lose all
your money on that game.
Speaker 4: It's just one game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, Well said game.
Speaker 5: So Happy birthday, Halbs Relic.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys with their sixtieth birthday today.
Speaker 5: Tucky Talk, Happy birthday, you guys.
Speaker 1: Love love two halves fans, sixtieth birthday. Love to see that.
Speaker 5: What do do you like the haves tonight, Andrew.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about them tonight. I think.
Speaker 5: Colorado's coming off of an eighteen shot on goal performance.
They have lost too in a row before, but they
have never been that anemic. This is that last night
was Colorado's worst game of the season. I'd be scared
of them right now.
Speaker 2: Some people think they're in cruise control till the Olympics.
Right now. I mean they are sure.
Speaker 5: Sure, they are sure. You know what, I can give
you a list of a whole lot of other things.
Some people think that are also completely stupid.
Speaker 2: Have they or not? Oh?
Speaker 5: So that means that they're in cruise control. They had
a meeting, they got older playing They're like, guys, we're
going on cruise.
Speaker 2: Control, playing like shit.
Speaker 5: Look that doesn't mean they're on cruise control. That means
they're playing like shit. Later, everyone, all right, I gotta
go love you boy, Andrew?
Speaker 2: What have you back? And I miss you?
Speaker 1: But I also am just happy to have it be
me and You's just the two of us again here, Andrew.
Speaker 3: You know what you call it? Colorado feels like right now.
You know when some of these teams get off to
you know, they have this great run and then they
lose a few games in a row. It if I
could put it in terms of like life in general,
it is like, imagine you're on the highway and you're
making excellent time and you're passing all these cars, and
then your girlfriend or wife says to you, I got
a pee. So you pull over at the restaurant, and
then all those cars that you made that you passed
the whole time, you've got to repass them again. All
that time you made up is spent sitting there while
someone goes to pee at the rest stop off the highway.
That is what it feels like with the Colorado Avalanche.
But they're missing a couple of players. When they get
back to full strength, Andrew, they'll be fine. This is
a very good hockey team. And I think they mentioned
on the game yesterday the odd on was had lost
like six games in January or something like that. Vegas
had only lost like six games the whole season. So
that's going to tell you something about how this team
is doing.
Speaker 1: But is yesterday with Buster about the Eastern Conference right
now versus the West. I know that you only missed
a couple of days, and you and I have talked
about this, but I think that right now this is
one of those things where like the Eastern Conference, we
have to take it into account with our handicapping when
it comes to the odds that they're that much better
than the West.
Speaker 2: Like, look at the Ottawa Senators.
Speaker 1: Look at some of the wins they've been able to
pull off, you know, their second last in the Atlantic Division, right, Like,
it's kind of like in college basketball when people look
at ranking versus the odds. Right, if you see a
team that is ranked higher, who do you care more
about the ranking or what.
Speaker 2: The books think about them?
Speaker 1: Typically you think about what the books think about them,
don't really give a shit about the ranking. And I
feel like right now the East is just flexing their
muscles a lot more like did you know that I
had I.
Speaker 2: Had this tweet saved?
Speaker 1: Actually, I gotta find this like some of the and
and and I'm getting a little bit tired of these
teams that are getting these overtime loss points. You and
I have talked a lot about this over time, But
the Winnipeg Jets have more regulation wins than the Vegas
Golden Knights. So like, if it wasn't for the Golden
Knights having all those ot losses, they would be in
a similar situation as some other bad teams. They're just
getting those ot losses, so maybe they're not as good
as we really thought they were in some of these
other teams. Really, right now, the East is actually a
lot better than we maybe thought they were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew, It's one of those things with with this
Vegas team is they have a good team. They're gonna
you You always say they're going to put it together,
but at the end of the day, here's the thing
is they've left They've led Theacivic for a while, but
now the Edmonton Olers are pulled to win within a point.
We talked about how the Eastern Conference was so balanced
and pretty much any team could still make the playoffs.
Look at the Vegas Golden Knights. They are first in
the Pacific on sixty three points, and there's six points
away from missing the playoffs because the La Kings have
fifty seven. As bad as the Kings have played, the
Kings have fifty seven with a game in hand. San
Jose is right there and playing some lights out hockey
as well too. You know, the Oilers are going to
contribute and continue to win games. I'm not saying the
Vegas Golden Knights by any means are missing the playoffs.
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying it is also
it has suddenly become competitive in the Western Conference and
the teams that were running away with it are starting
to come back a little bit. And the thing is,
you have to adjust your betting accordingly, guys, because if
you're betting with the same mentality you did in the
first two or two and a half or three months
of the season, that the Abs aren't going to lose
any games, let me just add him onto a ticket
and play him single, or playing regulation or playing puck line,
or add them onto a parley because their minus two fifty,
those are the ones that come back and bite you
in the ass. They've lost three of the last four games,
you know what I mean, And they had lost back
to back games at home, so you know, the Minnesota
Wild went through that stretch where they lost a bunch
of games and now they're starting to kind of zigzag.
But that was a big win for them last time out,
and the Stars losing twelve of fourteen games, and this
team is third overall in the Western Conference, but still
a lot of work to do. So you know, with
that said, you have to adjust your thinking and start
looking at some of these teams that are in the
bottom half, Andrew, you look at the teams that the
Utah I'm just looking at the last five games. Utah
five wins and the four wins in the last five games.
Anaheim Ducks four wins in the last five games, and
they went through a stretch where they lost nine games
in a row. San Jose Sharks three of their last
four games wins. The La Kings three wins in a row,
and they're in Buffalo tonight. So these are the teams
that are now starting to shorten and put some pressure
on those teams above them that hey, we can't go
into a long streak. And that's what worries me. The
Vegas Golden Knights that at the end of the day, Andrew,
the Vegas Golden Knights are twenty five and twenty seven.
They are under five hundred and obviously this one in
three road trip for them had something to do with it.
So it's something that you have to factor into your handicapping.
You can't just blindly put a team in to your
tickets just because they're in the top three or four
in the standings. Look at how this team's playing, and
you've advocated that many times throughout the season is keep
an eye on how these teams are doing, and rightfully.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's a league of what have you done
for me lately and since the last time you and
I spoke your Buffalo Sabers. Just keep on winning, man.
You know, some of these teams that weren't always great before.
And that's kind of how I feel like I'm getting
a bit old, because I think I started on puck
time at this point maybe six seven years ago, and
we're starting to finally see some of these teams that
have been rebuilding for so long, you know, making the
playoffs or being in playoff spots, and some teams that maybe.
Speaker 2: Weren't are are are you know, or were in there
are slipping a little bit. So, guys, fifteen games today.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned, I got a couple of the comments
already started away for later. Comment any quick games or
questions you have, We'll make sure to touch on them
at the end of the show.
Speaker 2: It'll be more rapid fire. But Carl and.
Speaker 1: I want to get to it. I want to get
to all your guys's questions. Caren, let's get to the
next game here. We already kind of talked about it
a little bit this price here one twenty five, one
thirty on Colorado total at six and a half. So,
you know, massive goalie news in Montreal. I guess the
team can never really be satisfied, right They fire their
goaltending coach yesterday. Huge news from the team, and a
lot of the reasons I think would have been because
of what happens Saturday against Boston and Montembau struggling so much,
and really the success that all the players in Laval
have been having, it's not really translating to the the NHL.
So Marco Marciano gets promoted to Montreal from Laval and
he is a great reputation as a goaltending coach. So
Marciano will now be taking over. And we had guys
in the chat kind of joking around saying, is it
gonna be a new goalie coach?
Speaker 2: Bump is it? Does?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: Does the coach does the coaching bump work when it's
a new goalie coach.
Speaker 2: We'll find out.
Speaker 1: But Carl, My point is with all this, though, is
that Montambeau has clearly struggled. Everyone's kind of given him
the chances. He's gotten so many chances. Dobish is the guy.
He wins the other day against Vegas, they decide to
put him out here again today. We'll see if he
play again on Saturday against your Buffalo Sabers. But as
pres mentioned on the way out the Avalanche, I think
you know, what was it like a few minutes.
Speaker 2: Into the third period.
Speaker 1: I think I turned the game on yesterday and they
had like thirteen shots on goal or something. So they're
not going to be happy. But it's the same thing
that I said to you the other day, and you said,
don't worry. The HAB's gonna be just fine. So just
because they have a pissed off team coming to town
doesn't always mean they're gonna lose. Because Vegas was pissed
off after losing what was it, seven to one against Ottawa,
and then they still ended up getting the job done.
So I have a hard time, though, not looking for
goals in this one. The game against Vegas didn't get
over the total. I have a very hard time seeing
this one not get over the total. But at the
exact same time, you know, I don't bet a lot
of these, and I'm going a little along here, so
I'll just say this one bet that stood out to
me quite a bit was Dobish over twenty five on
a half saves, whether or not the over hits Carmen
this game or the under hits. We know Colorado's gonna
pepper shots on goal. They won't be happy with the
start they had. So unless Colorado puts up six or
seven goals, I think Dobish is gonna have to make
a ton of saves over twenty five and a half saves.
Speaker 2: Prop bet for me today. What do you think?
Speaker 3: Man uh, my first day back this week and we're
going mano a mano on this one. The under I think, honestly,
I like the under. Listen, I just get it.
Speaker 2: For my save prop.
Speaker 3: Then not bad, ye listen, I thought, you know, and
I released Montreal as a play and they got it
done in overtime against Vegas. But they did a very
good job of limiting chances for the Montreal sorry for
the for the Vegas Golden Knights, they did very good chances,
the very good thing of back checking, of picking up
you know that third guy in turning those uh three
on twos into three on threes and uh and it's right,
it's the neutral's own play from them, and they're gonna
need against Colorado. But it's the you look at it.
And and a phrase I think I used in one
of my write ups today was that teams are it
seemed to be crawling to the finish line, and I
think not the end of the season finish line, but
right now they're crawling to because of this schedule in
January that has been absolutely brutal. Teams are crawling to
this Olympic break. They they're just waiting for it. All
these teams are waiting for next week to roll around
and uh, the fifth to come and they're like, Okay,
we're done. And some of them are going to get
a vacation, some of them are gonna have to go
and to Milan and play for their countries. But this
is a this is a Colorado team right now that
isn't performing well. A couple of guys missing the five
to three score line or five to two score line
is a skewed one because it was like two empty
net goals by the Ottawa Center. So essentially it was
a three to two game with a couple couple game
a couple of to either get you a win on
the total or frustrate the hell out of you with
the under and hopefully that isn't something that happens to night.
But the ABS can't stick with Colorado tonight. Keep this
a low scoring game. The keys for Montreal winning this
game is to keep this low scoring. You don't want
to get in a shoot with Montreal. But I think
Montreal plays better at home and they might be catching
the Avs at the absolute right time here, so I
don't think they're going to upset them. And I don't
even think plus one to ten is an upset. I
think a lot of people are looking at Colorado Andrew
right now and saying minus one three on Colorado off
of an embarrassing loss last night. It wasn't an embarrassing loss.
Ottawa is still a good team, missing pieces that can
make them a much better team and a playoff team.
So you know, with that said, Montreal, if Montreal plays
almost a carbon copy of the game they played against
the Vegas Golden Knights, they send another West team home
with no points or a point. I'm good with two
two settled in overtime.
Speaker 1: So hey, you know, the more I talk about the game,
the more I just really like that save prop karm
So I think that kind of benefits the both of us.
If you hit the under, it's probably a good chance
that I hit that saves prop so over twenty five
and a half saves for Dobish and under six and
a half for karm on that game, I think it's good.
I think the biggest thing for you with the under
is surviving the first ten minutes. And I know that
sounds like an exaggeration, but you know you're gonna have
a hungry team early on. If they can settle into
the game, then I think we'll be just fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone said that in the chat.
Speaker 3: I always find he's funny that Colorado pretty much stopped
playing in the in the third period to save themselves
for the Montreal Canadians night, and that they normally will
will pound on teams like Toronto Montrealian. The Canadians are
three to one in one against again, this Colorado team
their last five games. So yeah, the last game that
they played was a seventy two game in Colorado. But
they're not in Colorado, They're in Montreal.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not totally convinced it's going to be
a blowout, So so I'll go with that one and Lorenzo. Yes,
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So I'm going with the under, but I will still
give you and our good buddy Don Julio buster the
Montreal win tonight, even though I'm staying up off the game.
Speaker 4: Six and a half just seems too high for me.
Speaker 2: Andrew, Yeah, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Blackwood's a pretty good goalie too, right,
so you know you don't really have to worry about that.
Are both goalies at that for Colorado are pretty good here? Sorry,
it'll be Wedgwood, but he's got a two fourteen goals
against a nine to eighteen save percentage.
Speaker 2: He's also happens here.
Speaker 1: And you know one thing I'll say about dobish is
that people have accused him of being a bit too emotional.
He had one loss earlier in the year where he
kind of like cried after the game. I think that
because he realizes now he might have the chance to
be the starting goalie, he could potentially get that confidence
and swagger back, which which could overall help him out
quite a bit. So I look forward to watching this
one tonight, Karen, look forward to watching this one tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew and you and we talked about and you
know another reason why, and that's what I wanted to
mention is with Blackwood starting yesterday, it's likely going to
be uh Wedgewood in goal tonight. He hasn't had he
hasn't started in the last four games they've gone with
the Blackwood. So it's it's black would start against Ottawa,
Toronto and Philadelphia. But you look at his games. Allows
a one goal in an ot loss to Anaheim where
they lose two to one, and I believe it was
in a shootout, Allows two goals against the Washington Capitals.
Allows to the previous game against the Ottawa in which
they beat Ottawa eight to two, and then a three
to two and another three He's had one bad game,
and that was a six to five win over the
Vegas Golden Knights. He's had quality starts and you look
at the games and majority of those games were all
unders in which he started. So he's a goalie that
fits this situation. I think arrested goalie coming in and
it's a team that played last night. I'm hoping for
goals for no goals. With my luck, you'll probably hit
it when it's three to three at the end of
the first.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens, hopefully not man.
Speaker 3: This was one game, Andrew, Yeah, this is one game
where looking at the odds, I think it's the first
time this year. You guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
The first time this year I have seen a seven.
I bet NGM. I think it was. I'm seeing San
Jose and Edmonton at seven juiced a little bit to
the under, but a seven man. We've seen some six
and a halves juice to the over. Seven. I'll have
a quick look to see if it is still there.
Speaker 1: I did see one the other day Edmonton versus Anaheim.
Edmonton versus Anaheim, there was a seven, But this is
the first time we've seen a lot of them early
in the day, because you know how sometimes they wait
to put the sevens up late in the day a
little bit just for some coverage. This is what eleven
am Eastern They got a seven up already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's nuts.
Speaker 3: And if you look at the veig across the board
and wager talks livelines and on odds logic, which I
highly recommend to you guys at least grab a week
free and test it out. Andrew, the over six and
a half is like minus one forty and higher and higher.
That's normally one is normally the line in the sand
where the book says we can't move it any higher.
We have to make it a seven and then juice
the under. But books don't like pushes, right, so they're like,
if someone wants to pay for over six and a
half and they and they want to give us forty
five cents on that bet, well we're more than happy
to take it because we're not going to have a
lot of people that want the under six and a
half a plus money.
Speaker 4: So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: And I remember there was a run like a year
or two ago with the sevens where they were actually
going under. But I will say like that, you know
how it is kind when you lose a bet on something,
you just can't get it out of your mind. When
it was the Ducks and Oilers game, I took the
Oiler's first period minus a half goal, and they only
scored one goal in the first period. You know how
many they scored in the second I think like three
or four goals, And so it's like, you know that
that game had eight goals after forty minutes of play.
So sometimes you listen to the books and you say, Okay,
you know there's a reason why you know they're giving
us this number.
Speaker 2: I guess right now.
Speaker 1: Look, I think it's a great story with what San
Jose is doing. I think that they've been really impressive.
I think they've changed their roster completely. I think it's
been really cool to see them become buyers for once
and not become sellers anymore. But at the end of
the day, though, I still will take this Oilers team
over the Sharks. I just think they're a team that
I want to be a little bit more involved in
because right now they're high dangerous chances are greater than
San Jose's high danger chances. They're a team that's able
to overwhelm you more with their depth. And I still
believe like we had that stat we put up on
the screen a little while ago, I think last week
maybe where Maclin Celebrini was responsible for forty eight percent
of the goals that San Jose has scored this season,
Like that is way too many goals. Like he is
carrying this team and it's so impressive to see. It's
why he made the Olympic team. And you know, obviously
a guy like McDavid, he carries the Oilers, but I
just think there's a lot more that he brings. So
it's a little bit shoky here, Karen, but I don't
mind dealing with it. I'm going to take over three
and a half goals for the Edmonton Oilers here. I
just think they're going to overwhelm the San Jose Sharks
and this San Jose team in a little bit of
a way. They've still kind of been relying on their
offense to win them games. But this to me is
a game of anything you can do, I can do better.
And I feel like Edmonton is a you know, an
older version and more skilled team of the San Jose Sharks,
So I think over three and a half for them
and a great one year from j Maine because I
saw this on floating around social media as well.
Speaker 2: Edmonton has not won.
Speaker 1: Three games in a row all year long, so it's
a big game for them tonight. We'll see if they
can get on a little bit of a streak here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: It's it's uh, it's crazy when you look at these stats.
But Andrew to your point of like cause you mentioned
and I have to talk about it like MacLean Celebrini
and if you saw like there's some stuff trending of
like trying to compare Maquelin, Celebrini to Uh, to McKenna
who is still hastated to the NHL but likely the
number one picking in the draft this coming year. You
can't compare the guys I think of of the of
the class of guys that we have from the drafts
of the last two or three years, Connor Badard, Mackline, Celebrino, Uh, Celebrini, Uh,
Leo Carlson, these guys who came in Celebrini's far and above,
like he just looks like the best guy to me,
and no disrespect to Connor Burdard, But like I look
at celebrating and he's just like, he looks like he's
been playing in the league for six seven years. He
is so polished right now. And if you watch San
Jose Shark games, you'll know. And I'm watching the games,
and this guy is just he knows when to get
it off, he knows how to position himself in the
offensive zone. He backchecks, is just he's a unicorn. The
guy is a unicorn man in the NHL where we
see a lot of busts in the first round, first
round draft picks, the guy is a unicorn. He's playing
absolutely fantastic and it is just an upside for the
San Jose Sharks and why they're competing right now for
a playoff spot.
Speaker 4: Plus one eighty.
Speaker 3: I'm not getting to all of this and saying, well,
I think they're a live dog at plus one eighty,
but I wouldn't fault anybody for taking the San Jose
Sharks to where they're playing right now at plus one eighty. Tonight,
Freaky Friday is has taken the day off. Andrew Tonight
might be Freaky Thursday because there's only one game tomorrow,
so We're gonna see some really weird a couple of
really weird teams win tonight. I don't know who they are.
I do have one, and I'm gonna mention it when
we're done with this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: Like I think, I'm just on looking at a website
right now, trying to figure out some of the last
couple of games that this San Jose A team played. So,
I mean minus one thirty versus Vancouver, minus one twenty
versus the New York Rangers. But what's the number on
them as an underdog right now?
Speaker 4: Caren plus one eighty right now plus.
Speaker 1: So I mean you've been able to see them cash
these tickets, as you know, plus one eighty against LA
plus one fifteen against Columbus plus one. But I think overall,
when you look at I'm just scrolling down these game laws,
when they've been like my plus one eighty or higher,
they've struggled in the plus one twenty to one forty range,
they've been a cash cow. Like it's very easy for
me to come on here and say, and I've been
transparent with people all year long, like I hope people
can know that I'm just trying to relate to everybody
as well and being real, I wish I took the
San Jose Sharks more this year, same reason I wish
I faded the Canucks more this year. But now it
gets to the point where it's like, do you think
if the books respected the Sharks a bit more here
that the number wouldn't be minus two twenty?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I don't think the Sharks are getting
to respect they rightfully deserve at times. I don't know
what you price this at if you you know, in
saying that, but you know, let's look at like the
Sharks last twelve to fourteen games on the road as
far as playing good teams, because they have a very
good record on the road. But right now, but they
went into Carolina, you know that they were a dog
and probably a considerable dog in that one. They beat
Carolina Florida one. They go into Toronto, where you know
that they're a dog, and they beat the Toronto Maple
Leafs three to two.
Speaker 2: In ot.
Speaker 3: We can go a little further, a little further up.
They go into Washington, first the LA Kings and then
Washington for road games where they're underdogs and beat them.
They go into Florida and beat the Florida Panthers before
losing to Tampa Bay. And they were a dog in
that game as well too, and probably a considerable dog
against the Florida Panthers. So can this team win against
good teams? Of course they can, They've proven it. Will
they beat the Edmonton Hillers tonight, I don't know, but
they're gonna give them a run for their money.
Speaker 1: I'll give you one last they beat the Blue Jackets.
They're not a playoff team. They beat the King. They
haven't been that great lately, you know, you beat Florida,
not a playoff team, The Rangers not a playoff team.
Speaker 4: He's in a row.
Speaker 1: Vancouver not a playoff team, you know. Like so, like,
how how serious do we take them?
Speaker 2: You know? That's that's my big question.
Speaker 1: I feel like this could be one of those games
here where because of how big the number is, people
are excited to jump in on San Jose. But I'll
tell you they do play a good brand of hockey.
But let me ask you this. I know we got
some more games to get to. Are you convinced that
there's a possibility San Jose could win this game and
it not go over the total, because that's kind of
where I look at it, where it's that anything you
can do, I can do better. If it's if you
told Mick David this game tonight will not end until
one of you guys gets to seven goals, I would
bet on Edmonton to win that game.
Speaker 3: Okay, I wouldn't win entirely, blame you, Andrew. This line
opened up at the line here was minus two twenty
five and the Oilers Plus one eighty two is the
take back on San Jose. It's currently at Yeah, it's
it's currently at one ninety five and plus one fifty
eight on on the wager Talk Live lines, which is
free as well too. They're currently a lower price on
on on on the Sharks to win this game.
Speaker 4: So I get it.
Speaker 3: Your correlation. It does make sense. If you're going to
beat the Oilers, you need to outscore them. Sometimes you
can just get a team that plays extremely well defensively.
The New York Islanders went in and we saw what
Soroken did kind of, you know, figuratively, not literally, stood
on his head, and the Islanders came away with a one,
one nothing victory.
Speaker 1: Right in that game, ninety three percent of the money
is on Dallas tonight.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think about that one?
Speaker 1: You know, I think Vegas could win tonight because I
think it'd be the most Vegas thing to do. You
lose to the Senators, you lose to the Canadians, and
then you beat the Dallas Stars. That's why I kind
of lean towards the Vegas side.
Speaker 3: Let me toss, Let me toss a pizza. You tell
me if you would play this one. I call this
the pizza slice missing the pineapple because it doesn't belong
on a pizza. Two team money line, underdog party. You
tell me what you think of this one. I'm not
a huge Party fan, but I'm going to play this
one for the hell of it and then order a
pizza tomorrow if it wins. Because these are league games.
I am taking the San Jose Sharks tonight at plus money.
I am taking the Calgary Flames in Minnesota andrew the
Calgary Flames in Minnesota tonight to win. And why do
I like the Flames? Well, they do play well against Minnesota.
Minnesota's has been playing sort of like fifty to fifty
hockey and had a big comeback win. But if it's
Devin Cooley in goal tonight, Andrew in January, he has
started four times. He's two to one in one. His
goals against average is one point five. His save percentage
this is his save percentage in January nine fifty nine
to fifty. You don't see numbers like that, do they
have a chance. Of course they do because they always
seem to play these to play this Minnesota team tight.
These teams have split two games this season. Minnesota won
at home to nothing. Calgary beat them in Calgary four
to one. I think Calgary's won five of the last
six games against Minnesota, So you know, with that said,
I think Calgary is a live dog tonight. So Calgary,
one Alberta team wins, one Alberta team loses. Let's hope
I got it those two in the right order. And
what does that pay? You ask? Well, let me tell you, Andrew,
that pays h plus six twenty six, So you're getting
a little over six to one on your money. Who's
with me on this crazy two team? Or Andrew? Are
you with me?
Speaker 2: That is?
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good price there, I will say that's
a pretty good price. The thing is, okay, the calgi Flames,
What is the deal with this team, like they better,
they better trade Blake Coleman. I hope that my Canadians
can get Nasen Kadri. I don't know what the deal is,
but they have to tank. They need to tank. Their
their management is so stupid for refusing to rebuild. I
don't really understand what their deal is.
Speaker 3: Andrew, I haven't had a chance to uh, other than
m yes, I have testicular fortitude that both of them
are in place exactly where they should be and that's
why it's a two teamer. But with that said, Andrew,
I haven't had a chance to address the Toronto mate
leafs all week. And you know, guys know I have
I tell my friends this the whole the whole time.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 3: One of the things that's ruined the NHL, and these
guys are unaware of. They just they come up with
these trades in the WhatsApp. If we can get just
we'll get Hubert or from from Calgary and he'll look
good on the first line and then we pick up
this guy and the guys on the third year of
like an eight year, ten million dollar contract or whatever
in Calgary. Calgary's not eating that money to send them
to Toronto for free. The Leafs don't have that cap space.
Now is the time for the Leafs to put Matthew
n Eyes on the injury reserve list. The team has
too many players with no trade contracts Andrew that team
needs to be blown up because their defense is unrecognizable.
I get flack from my friends when I say, you
guys have oel On that you should trade right now.
He's at as high a value as you can get on.
Oliver Ekman Larson is right now. He's not gonna have
the same season next year.
Speaker 4: Trade.
Speaker 3: If you trade him now, you're going to get a
number one pick in the draft for him. Uh, trade
the guy McMahon. Trade McMahon, Yes, accumulate some draft picks
and start this over again. Matthews is gone when that
two year extension that he signed is gone, or he
he agrees to change his his no trade clause. There's
too many people with the no trade clause. I think
it was Brian Burke that originally started the no trade
clause to try and keep a player there. And now
every team has like ten guys who have a no
trade clause.
Speaker 4: And it is ruined.
Speaker 3: And then for you guys in the US one or
more quick diatribe from me Andrew, and then I will
throw it back to you for you guys who don't
understand and white players don't want to come to Canada.
Here's it's clear and simple.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 3: Here's the tax on it. In case you'll understand. Let's
assume Andrew's playing for the Florida Panthers and he's making
six million dollars a year in Florida, eighty two games
forty one games at home. Andrew does not pay tax
on the income earned in those forty one games. That
contract has split over those eight those games. When they
play Tampa Bay, still no tax on that money. They
come to Canada. If you're playing in Canada and you're
playing twenty games against Canadian teams, you're being taxed at
the Canadian tax rate, which is absolutely insane. Every every
state that you play in you pay their tax. So
you get like you guys, get up here, it's a
it's a like a T four slip Andrew down there.
I don't know if it's like a ten forty two
or whatever you call the tax slip that you get
down there. That's what they're paying in tax. So if
you're a guy in Florida, why would you ever come
to Toronto or any team in Canada where half of
your income forty one games is taxed at an insanely
amount a high amount. Plus you're gonna play some Canadian teams,
essentially sixty five to seventy percent of your contract is
going to be taxed at a rate in which it
doesn't make any sense to want to come north of
the border.
Speaker 1: Well, the biggest example is Brad Marshan. Look at Brad
Marshan and Sam Bennett. Everybody thought all year last year,
after they won the are All Summer, after they won
the Stanley Cup, there was no chance they're both going
to get signed back. What happens, they both take less
money because they're staying in Florida. So, I mean, we
could talk about that till we're blue in the face.
But I agree with you on the fact that Toronto's
got to make some moves. But we got a comment
here saying Seattle still have a chance to make the playoffs.
They're plus three ten right now. It's going to be
a really really big battle for them. I think for
them their goals this year, Joe should just be be
competitive have a good finish to the year and trying
to make some quality moves in the offseason.
Speaker 2: Kren, you weren't here yesterday.
Speaker 1: Buster and I kind of talked about how, you know,
the Islanders were to play yesterday, but it was a
back to back, you know, home and home with the
Rangers and the Islanders here, I said on yesterday's show,
even though the Rangers have been so bad at home,
it would not shock me if both teams win.
Speaker 2: So Steve, I haven't bet it. I am rooting for you.
Speaker 1: But it was one of those things, Caren where I
kind of said, hey, look, it wouldn't shock me if
if both teams ended up with a win in that
home and home. Any thoughts for you? I mean, the
Islanders are playing much better than this Rangers team. So
am I overthinking it?
Speaker 3: You tell me, I don't think you're overthinking it.
Speaker 4: Just to go on a couple of things.
Speaker 3: Andrew, Okay, First of all, as far as like the
Seattle Kraken our wins in three of the last four,
I think it's very important because they're going to get
a Leafs team coming into town today. The are limping
in and maybe a good thing that they got away
from home and looking to get some them win on
the West Coast. But the Seattle Kracken could beat them tonight.
I absolutely believe so, because they're they're playing well. You
look at the Krakens last four games Andrew, they beat
the Islanders four to one, they lose to the Anaheim
Ducks four to two, they beat the New Jersey Devils,
who have been winning games recently, and they beat the
Washington Capitals, who I don't know what is wrong with
the Washington Capitals right now. But also I think someone
posted news earlier that Logan Thompson wasn't on the ice tonight,
so it could be Lingrent in goal for them tonight
as well too. But to your point of Seattle and
the guy there, sure they can make the playoffs, but
I think someone has to drop off. And you know,
the Colorado, Minnesota, Dallas, the Vegas Golden Knights, and the
Edmonton Olers are and all possibly going to make the playoffs.
They should be making the class. So Utah Anaheim, Seattle Sorry,
Utah Anaheim, San Jose, La Kings, and the Seattle Kraken.
Three of those five teams will vy for those five
teams will vie for three playoff spots. I want and
Andrew mckinni's prediction, three of those five teams are gonna
make the playoffs?
Speaker 4: Who are they?
Speaker 3: Utah and I'm San Jose, La Kings, Seattle kracking.
Speaker 1: I think San Jose is gonna miss Uh. I think
the Kings end up making it, so y I need
three teams.
Speaker 3: Yes, so you're down to now, Utah, Anaheim and Seattle Kracken.
Speaker 2: I'll take Utah and Anaheim.
Speaker 3: Utah, Anaheim and the La Kings. All right, there you
have it, let is uh. I am going to clip
this segment and then we will air it at the
end of the season where we call it. You should
have listened to Andrew and partly those three to make
the playoffs.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happened on that.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: I love putting you on the clock and asking you
these I like it totally unscripted.
Speaker 1: Well, the Bean Show commented earlier when I was saying
I wish that I faded the Sharks, Morris and it's
our bet at the Sharks, Mories go, it's not too late,
And I get it's not too late, but it's also like,
are they going to be able to maintain this success
for the rest of the season. You know, if the
Sharks make the playoffs, it'll be a really great story.
But there's a real good possibility that they end up
getting really close and they don't end up getting all
the way there. So we'll see two questions here. I
wanted to mention just really quick and then that'll be
it for me with the questions. Karen was Red Wings
money line and Caine two points from highest scoring American
player ever. Kind of interesting stuff to look at here
and Karm I've been waiting for the regression from the
Red Wings, and I mean, they still look pretty damn good,
but they've kind of dropped off a little bit. Washington
coming off a game they will not be happy about.
They got slapped around against Seattle. This is a big
game here for the Capitals. I'm gonna have my eye
on this one. Not sure ivon not pulling the trigger here,
but any thoughts overall on the Cane Props or the
the Capitals and Detroit game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I like the way the Wings are playing,
but they're off that loss obviously to the to the
La Kings. I'm talking about the Sorry, the Detroit right
Wings off that loss to the to the Kings. But
they've been playing extremely well. You know, they picked up
points in for their last five if you're just looking
at sort of short term, and they're one point behind
Tampa for not only the lead in the Atlantic but
the lead overall in the Eastern Conference. They're playing extremely well.
At what point, Andrew, this is the thing is, at
what point do we give up on saying, you know,
the Washington Capitals, the New Jersey Devils, the the New
York Rangers, the Torontoway beliefs they can still make the playoffs.
They just need to put a run together. I talked
about how in December, when you fall eight points behind,
it is tough to make that back unless you go
on insane run, kind of like the Blues did many
years back. But Andrew, I think the Capitals are a
play against team right now. The one thing that gets
me with the Capitals is if you look at teams
nine through sixteen in the Eastern Conference, the Capitals are
the only team. The Ottawa Senators joined them yesterday with
those two empty net goals, but going into last night,
I will say the Washington Capitals are the only team
not in the playoffs. To have a plus goal differential,
which is normally you can you can tell a team
scoring goals and they're not allowed as much one seventy one,
one sixty four, they are plus seven Ottawa's plus three.
Those are the only two teams. Every other team has
a negative goal differential in the league. The Leafs are
minus nine, Philly minus ten, Columbus eleven. Even the Florida Panthers,
who have won three of their last five games, are
a minus nine in gold differential. Look at the standings
from last year, look at the standings from the year
before and the year before that, and you're going to
see that the top eight teams in each conference always
have a plus goal differential and the ones below it
always have a negative. So at what point do you
start fading the Washington Capitals and say I've had enough,
I've lost enough money on this, Andrew, I can't find
an argument to take the Washington Capitals tonight. Can they
go in and win on any given night? Any team
can beat any team. But the way the Wings are
playing right now, and I have to believe that rightfully,
so they should be favored and likely get the win tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. I mean they that game. That game
will tell us a lot we have to know Brufess.
Professor Bruska commented, saying, feels like a RE two game.
And I'll tell you I kind of lean towards the
under in that game. When Washington gets a little bit
embarrassed defensively, typically they end up looking for a defensive
game in their next one. So a lot, a lot
of good games here today, guys. We'll have some free
content of course on our ex pages as well. Carmine
at Carmi and Bianco WT, myself at McGinnis Picks, and
I'm gonna have a bunch of prop plays out as well.
So looking forward to a good one, looking forward to
a great, great slate.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what I do.
Speaker 1: Got a little parlay here for you, karm and it
does include the Oilers game.
Speaker 2: Let's bring it up.
Speaker 1: We've got McDavid two points, Bouchard one assist him in
three shots, and mister Leon to get a goal anytime,
plus four thirty five shot round to get the best
prices you possibly can, guys. But I do think this
is a good one, and I feel like we're gonna
see who the real san Jose Sharks team is can
the real San Jose Sharks please stand up? Because I
don't know if they can play defense against this Edmonton
Oilers team. We'll find out, but I do think that
this Oilers team will have some success. Debian show says,
so good to have Karen back. I missed that noggin
of his. Good to see he's happy to see it.
Speaker 2: Car.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I appreciate all the all the messages
that I've got the.
Speaker 2: Hair and the head are the hair.
Speaker 3: I want to be remissed, and Andrew good luck with that.
I'd be remiss if we didn't have a pod play
for today fifteen games. I got to come up with something,
and this is a client play, so we'll pop it
up there. But this is today's or tonight's pod play,
and I'll explain my theory on this one. You know,
like I mentioned the Olympic breaks here, teams are crawling
to get to this sort of finish line or the
break on that that comes after the games on the
fifth and you look at Vegas. Vegas lose three out
of four games on this road trip. They had that
one emotional game and then we're completely flat after that
and beating the Leafs with Mitch Warner's return. Now they
make the trip back they played on the twenty seventh.
They're traveling east coast to west coast for this game.
They've had one day off, which is their travel day,
and they get the Dallas Stars, the team that is
starting to win games after going too and twelve two
and twelve stretch, they are starting to win some games again.
They won three of the last four. Their scoring is up,
and they beat this Vegas team four to three in
overtime earlier. They've actually won six of the last eight
meetings against the Vegas Golden Knights. I think it's a
good spot here to take plus money with the Dallas Stars,
and I'm taking them plus one to twelve.
Speaker 4: As your pod play.
Speaker 1: The pod play is back. All right, guys, the pod
play is back. We've got fifteen games on the board
in the NHL caren before I throw it to you,
I'm just gonna throw this out here, guys. I mentioned
yesterday on the show, but I'm super excited going to
start firing some plays off already. I've got an Olympic
package up at wagertalk dot com. Olympic Men's hockey. Don't
worry about hockey picks for two weeks. We're gonna have
you covered on wager Talk with free content. I'm gonna
have all my best picks. You're probably gonna get fifteen
to twenty picks overall between sides, totals and props, and
if not, you're definitely gonna get some strong, strong plays
as well. On that package. You can get this deal
for fifty nine dollars WT duppas slash am fifty nine bucks.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: If I have any five percent plays during the Olympics,
those are thirty five bucks. Get every single thing I
released that includes futures.
Speaker 2: Sides, totals, props, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And because of the weird times with the Olympic Games here,
you're gonna want to get this package forget about buying
singular picks. Fifty nine bucks Men's Olympic Package. Don't miss out, guys.
I'm gonna be doing content absolutely, but all my best
bets will be inside that package. WT dupas slash am.
I love the International hockey and I'm working with the
Hockey News every single day. I'm talking to beat reporters,
I'm covering the tournament. I will be tapped in with it.
Fifty nine bucks to get every single play, and Karen,
you know as well as I do, it is not
the same as regular NHL hockey. We've got spreads already
out in hockey that are plus and minus four and
a half three and a half. We've got like this
is looking like some football spreads here for some of
these games, so that all goes into my handicapping. You
guys might have to sweat out a pick for me
where I'm on Carmines Italians at plus six and a
half goals, we're getting a touchdown here in some of
these games in a hockey game, So don't missed out, guys,
fifty nine bucks.
Speaker 2: For one package for the Olympics. Look forward to it, Andrew.
Speaker 3: It's it's gonna be extremely fun, and I know we
gotta get going as well too, So I'll do the
promo first, but then I want to talk to you
really quickly about the Olympics. But multiple games up for
me tonight in the end, including a five percent play
and then some client plays as well to two plays
up in the final match day of Europa League match
Day eight, there are I think eighteen games going at
three PM. I have a couple of them, and I
might add a few more as well too to that.
Pick up a one day all access and get all
of those. Andrew, how good. I'm not gonna say they
would compete for a medal, but the Italian team and
if the Italian team had the NHL players on them,
and they don't, the Italian team is going with non
NHL players, Andrew, they have a pretty good team there.
Man Man Giapane is one of them. Like, they have
quite a few guys that could actually win a couple
of games in the Olympics, but they don't. They won't
be playing them. They're starting a full Olympic team. Maybe
that's what needs to happen with all of it, to
get rid of the professionals. Olympics were originally made for
for amateurs to compete for medals and gold medals and such.
But with that said, I did beat I did bet
on Team Canada to win the Olympic gold at circa.
Speaker 4: I look forward to.
Speaker 3: To cashing that ticket. I know I'm gonna get a
lot of hate familiar you guys in the US, US
and Canada. In the gold medal game. There is no
other gold medal game that makes sense. I'm sorry Canada
and the US that needs to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious what's gonna happen. Man, there's gonna be
one or two upsets. I was saying that I had to,
you know, fill out some some surveys for for the
Hockey News, and some of the questions were which will
be the best goalie or the best goal scorer and
all that stuff, And I said that Sweden's gonna have
a really good tournament. But then now I'm starting to
get a little bit worried because Team Sweden is very
banged up. Ackman, Larsen, Kneelander, Headman, a lot of these
guys have been dealing with with injuries, so that's a
little bit tough to look at. But the MVP, I'll
leave this with all of you guys, and that will
be my final thing to say.
Speaker 2: The MVP.
Speaker 1: As we saw somebody comment about the price, Sidney Crosby
is thirty five to one to win the MVP. Hal
said he saw sixty to one. If you saw sixty
to one, I would take that and run. But the
top guys right now are McDavid McKinnon, Matthews, and hellabuck
for the MVP of the tournament. So check it out, guys,
check out these odds. It's going to be a really
like don't forget karm people. Last year, for some reason,
they weren't that excited about the four Nations tournament. Like
when I got the two tickets for me and my
old man, I think it was around like seven hundred
nine hundred. I could have sold both those tickets each
for like two grand a piece. The tournament got so
much hype. People got so into it, and that's gonna
happen again here where Americans, Canadians, Swedes.
Speaker 2: You know, people from Finland.
Speaker 1: Wherever you're from, people are gotta get into The only
thing that sucks for us in North.
Speaker 2: America is the time zone.
Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna be a really fun tournament
and just wait until the energy people get so I'm
gonna be doing content for it.
Speaker 2: I hope you guys watch and check it out.
Speaker 3: Andrew, nothing really changes with the time difference. Most people
are up under laptops doing buffalo spins in the casinos
of their sports books, which I do not recommend doing
those buffalo casino spins. So it's just it's just watching
and and betting on something else. But at least with
the Olympic Hockey, you're gonna be giving out a ton
of plays. We're gonna be doing some content and at
least it gives you a fighting chance of making some money. Yes,
Buffalo Being show. My friends love that video game. Everyone
does apparently. But with that said, guys, we will have
a show. It'll be a shortened show on Friday because
it's only one game. We'll do a couple of look
aheads possibly for the Saturday card and of course a
same game partly from Andrew, a six and sixty from
me as well too heading into the weekend. And that's
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