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Speaker 1: Welcome back truth Zeebos from around the world. There, it's
Speaker 1: time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host is always George Hobbs from a snowy Doover, Delaware.
Speaker 1: I hope everybody is doing well. We're actually recording on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: February the nineteenth, twenty twenty five. This episode will be
Speaker 1: dropping this coming Sunday. Again. I hope everybody is well.
Speaker 1: We have a great guest standing standing by just two alibis.
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Speaker 1: And without any further ado, let's bring on our guest.
Speaker 1: His name is Kenny. He hosts the podcast The Melkezidic
Speaker 1: Files or Chronicles bar me the Melkezidic Chronicles. He has
Speaker 1: a website, two of them. Actually it's flat fro Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm struggling today. It's flatbro dot com and Truthseekersministry dot org.
Speaker 1: And by the way, don't worry about trying to write
Speaker 1: these down. As always, I put all this information in
Speaker 1: the show notes so you can find Kenny without any trouble. Kenny,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. So I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no problem. It is good to be here, good
Speaker 5: to be on your show.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. And if you would just take
Speaker 1: a few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience and
Speaker 1: kind of what made you decide to get into this,
Speaker 1: you know, podcasting, slash website and sharing your information with
Speaker 1: the masses.
Speaker 5: Well, like you said, my name is Kenny Williamson and
Speaker 5: I do have my own podcast and it's called mckill's
Speaker 5: deck Chronicles. It's available on all podcasts, you know platforms.
Speaker 1: I have a website.
Speaker 5: It's flatbro dot com and the Truthseekers Ministry dot com
Speaker 5: or dot org on my mistake, or you can go
Speaker 5: to Kenny Williamson dot com. Uh but uh yes. I
Speaker 5: decided to do these websites several years ago, or the
Speaker 5: first one, just because I am I'm a Christian, and
Speaker 5: I wanted to do something to try to get you know,
Speaker 5: the truth out there regarding you know, the Bible, God's
Speaker 5: Word all that kind of stuff, and I really didn't
Speaker 5: have any any way to do that without doing something
Speaker 5: like a podcast. So that's that's where I got started
Speaker 5: on that. And since that time, I've I've written a
Speaker 5: couple of books, three books to be exact, about some demons,
Speaker 5: and they're available, of course you can they're on Amazon,
Speaker 5: but you can get to them on any.
Speaker 1: Of those websites.
Speaker 5: And the latest book that I came out with is
Speaker 5: called The Flat Earth Bible, and it's been last year.
Speaker 5: I really got into the Flat Earth and realized that
Speaker 5: it was biblical, and so I have a book out
Speaker 5: about it as well.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I just pulled it up on Amazon. The
Speaker 1: Flat Earth Bible, a detailed explanation of Biblical flatterarth and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, brother, it is good to see more
Speaker 1: people putting out this type of information in print. I've
Speaker 1: said many times on both podcasts that now it's probably
Speaker 1: more than more important than ever to make sure you
Speaker 1: get print, because I do believe there is going to
Speaker 1: be like this digital Fahrenheit four point fifty one type
Speaker 1: of event. One only has to look at say Bill
Speaker 1: Cooper's Behold a Pale Horse, and they removed an entire
Speaker 1: chapter that went against the agenda. So I will put
Speaker 1: those links to your books in the show notes as well.
Speaker 1: Please do support Kenny and add them to your library.
Speaker 1: And we talked a little bit Kenny before we hit
Speaker 1: the record button about how this conversation you can call
Speaker 1: it flat earth, you can call it biblical cosmology, how
Speaker 1: it is still a stigma even within the Christian community,
Speaker 1: you know, with our pastors, you know, our fellow fellow congregationists,
Speaker 1: where even when you and I and others can see
Speaker 1: the biblical truth and biblical cosmology, merely pointing them out
Speaker 1: can almost borderline ostracize you from the church. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 5: In fact, it's funny because I have a friend who's
Speaker 5: a pastor, and I did not know this, but come
Speaker 5: to find out he does believe in biblical cosmology or
Speaker 5: flat earth. And you know, he he he said that
Speaker 5: he can't really mention that at his church because he's
Speaker 5: done it in the past. And he said that some
Speaker 5: of the congregation, he said, it's almost like they became
Speaker 5: demon possessed and they fled out of the building, okay,
Speaker 5: to never return at the mere mention of flat earth.
Speaker 5: And I can't understand that because I would think that
Speaker 5: a Christian person who has an open mind and who
Speaker 5: wants to learn the truth would at least to do
Speaker 5: some investigation. But you know, so he can't mention it
Speaker 5: in his church for fear of losing church members. And
Speaker 5: now that's one of the differences in my thing that
Speaker 5: I'm doing is I do everything online and everything is free.
Speaker 5: I don't charge anybody anything for anything, and so I
Speaker 5: have nothing to lose, so I don't have to worry
Speaker 5: about people paying me money to support a church building.
Speaker 5: And then I can't tell you the truth or what
Speaker 5: I think is the truth, without you know, losing all
Speaker 5: these people. So I just I've never understood that. But
Speaker 5: that is a reality of the fact, is if you
Speaker 5: mention anything that's you know, not what the news or
Speaker 5: Hollywood has taught people in propaganda over all these years.
Speaker 5: Some people just absolutely lose their minds.
Speaker 1: And they just go crazy, they do. And this type
Speaker 1: of defense mechanism that has been installed by the ruling
Speaker 1: elite via television, Hollywood and our education, you know, the
Speaker 1: Rockefeller education system, is really the reason for that defense
Speaker 1: mechanism that really keeps them from you know, searching for
Speaker 1: the truth. And you know, as we talk about searching
Speaker 1: for the truth, I guess, how did your journey go
Speaker 1: about what led you to look into flat Earth? Because
Speaker 1: for me, and I've told this to folks many times,
Speaker 1: if flat Earth would have been my first rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: per se, I would have never I would have just
Speaker 1: to shoot it and walked away. But for me, it
Speaker 1: was all the other rabbit holes and realizing, well, you
Speaker 1: know everything, almost everything is a lie. So I think
Speaker 1: that was the reason I was able to take the
Speaker 1: time to look into it. I think, like many, I
Speaker 1: went there to just disprove it so I could move
Speaker 1: on with my day, and two weeks later I was
Speaker 1: completely turned upside down. How was your journey and you know,
Speaker 1: coming upon flat Earth? How was that for you and
Speaker 1: how did it change your life?
Speaker 5: Well, I have to give credit to the person who
Speaker 5: turned me on to it, and his name is Johnny Allen,
Speaker 5: and he actually is a website designer. He's actually the
Speaker 5: one who built my websites and his link is at
Speaker 5: the bottom of him. If you ever won a website,
Speaker 5: you know, developed yourself. But I was talking to him
Speaker 5: about the other website, the first one, which is just
Speaker 5: a ministry type website. And I don't know how we
Speaker 5: got on the subject, but We've had several hours of
Speaker 5: conversations on the phone to get this stuff done, and
Speaker 5: he mentioned flat Earth, and I, like many others, immediately
Speaker 5: just discounted it in my mind. I said, Nope, absolutely not.
Speaker 5: And he's like, well, you know, he he made some
Speaker 5: more statements about it, and he asked I asked, I said,
Speaker 5: do you believe in flat Earth? He's like yeah, and
Speaker 5: I just I was like, absolutely not. Now, I do
Speaker 5: have a pilot's license, a commercial pilot's license, and I
Speaker 5: have a I have an h State HVAC license, so
Speaker 5: I'm very familiar with obviously flight, and I'm very familiar
Speaker 5: with pressures and all kinds of stuff. And I never
Speaker 5: even considered that what I was being told was a lie. Now,
Speaker 5: I never believed in the moon landing. I never believed
Speaker 5: in any of that.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 5: I think I figured they were just using that to
Speaker 5: make money. You know, I never dreamt that possibly there
Speaker 5: was a possibility they couldn't even get to the moon
Speaker 5: because of a firmament. Okay, so when he away, so
Speaker 5: this guy introduced me to it, I completely discounted it.
Speaker 5: But then something just started kind of eating on me
Speaker 5: about it. It just started it wouldn't leave my head.
Speaker 5: So I started doing some research and found a website
Speaker 5: Flat Earth Dave, and I started watching his videos and
Speaker 5: I literally binge watched those videos for a couple of
Speaker 5: weeks straight. And by the time I got down with
Speaker 5: those videos and realized they were true, Yeah, I was
Speaker 5: a flat Earther. And then I went back and started
Speaker 5: looking at the Biblical proofs and realized it was in
Speaker 5: the Bible the whole time. It's just I had never
Speaker 5: really paid attention to it, and you know, which is
Speaker 5: just ignorance on my part. Really, that's similar to mine.
Speaker 1: And when I finally realized biblical cosmology and the lie
Speaker 1: of heliocentrism, the one thing that I always take away
Speaker 1: from it is it taught me how to read the Bible,
Speaker 1: how to if there is a word that you don't understand,
Speaker 1: that it's not familiar, research the word, use Strong's concordance,
Speaker 1: and you know that, you know, I've been reading the
Speaker 1: Bible for fifty years and then you know, six years
Speaker 1: ago I came upon this, Like I've read Genesis one
Speaker 1: hundred times, I never once stopped to investigate the word firmament,
Speaker 1: and you know, you just kind of read and go
Speaker 1: through it, and I think your brain just kind of
Speaker 1: goes back to what you were taught in Sunday's School,
Speaker 1: Noah's flood, this and that, and then you know, for
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen years, it's instituted into your mind that you know,
Speaker 1: these are myths, and you know you can't take everything seriously.
Speaker 1: But when you realize that, you know, this is one
Speaker 1: of you know, the top five greatest lides of all time.
Speaker 1: It really taught me how to read the Bible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 5: I I actually have followed a pastor that you know,
Speaker 5: he's a creationist, and he had mentioned the firmament many times,
Speaker 5: and he's you know, he teaches that the firmament actually
Speaker 5: fell down in the flood, and I just was like, okay,
Speaker 5: it probably did. I never really thought about it, because
Speaker 5: I believe the Earth was a globe, and so I thought, well,
Speaker 5: maybe there was a firmament and it just fell down.
Speaker 5: And now it's the north and South pole. You know,
Speaker 5: that's what he taught. And then when I went back
Speaker 5: and reread it, I'm like, wait a second, there's water
Speaker 5: above the firmament. Okay, so we can't just have it
Speaker 5: fall down without flooding. Okay, it just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: I mean, the Bible, there's so many there's so many
Speaker 5: passages in the Bible that basically teaches flat Earth. And
Speaker 5: of course I've been through seminary and they just and
Speaker 5: you know, I understand they're not trying to teach you
Speaker 5: anything science there, and I understand that, but they do
Speaker 5: just skim over it. And so anything that can't you know,
Speaker 5: kind of can't really be explained, they just put the
Speaker 5: NASA globe theory on it, no matter how ridiculous it is.
Speaker 5: And you know, they just teach it that way. I
Speaker 5: guess they don't know anything any different, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a great point. But I think it's
Speaker 1: still like many people, it's it's a bit frustrating that
Speaker 1: you can't even have just a friendly conversation like this
Speaker 1: is something maybe we're not going to discuss Sunday at church.
Speaker 1: But I think, like Wednesday night Bible study, and if
Speaker 1: you're breaking out Genesis chapter one, why can't we have
Speaker 1: this conversation if it aligns with God's word? Right?
Speaker 5: I mean, why can't we bring out Genesis and say
Speaker 5: pull out a you know, pull out a chalkboard or
Speaker 5: a whiteboard and draw it as it's being described, and
Speaker 5: then say, now look at this picture and tell me
Speaker 5: where outer space is, you know, tell me where this
Speaker 5: vacuum is. I mean it says that these the sun
Speaker 5: and the moon and these stars are in the firmament, okay,
Speaker 5: and this firmament is separating water from the earth. Okay,
Speaker 5: So let's draw it out the Bible describes it, and
Speaker 5: then explain, you know, like everything rotates around the North Star,
Speaker 5: and you know, the stars are the same, They've been
Speaker 5: the same since the beginning of any type of recorded history.
Speaker 5: And if we were really you know, spinning at one
Speaker 5: thousand miles an hour in a circle sixty six thousand,
Speaker 5: six hundred miles an hour around the Sun and the
Speaker 5: sun and this whole deal is corkscrewing through outer space
Speaker 5: at like half a million miles an hour. How is
Speaker 5: it that every night you can look up and see
Speaker 5: the same stars. Everything's the same, nothing's changed. It's impossible.
Speaker 5: But people don't. People don't even consider that.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if because I think it was two
Speaker 1: years ago when the Georgia guidestones were you know, quote
Speaker 1: unquote blown up. That was a strong point of contention
Speaker 1: amongst uh, you know, flat earthers, biblical cosmologists, where you
Speaker 1: know that there was a hole there and every single night,
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days a year, you could
Speaker 1: peek through that little hole and the North Star was
Speaker 1: right there. And I think people, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of these things happened. It was post COVID and people
Speaker 1: were starting to, you know, say, a lot of these
Speaker 1: things that were told on the news doesn't make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. And it was really twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: beyond when flat Earth really took off and became mainstream,
Speaker 1: and there were some things that they did. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: Georgia guidestones getting rid of them, Professor Dave entered the chat.
Speaker 1: Anytime you go to YouTube and put anything flat Earth,
Speaker 1: he is always I would say ninety five percentile. He
Speaker 1: is the first video that comes up. That's why I
Speaker 1: tell people when you go to YouTube and you put
Speaker 1: something in like flat earth or biblical cosmology, upload by
Speaker 1: search by upload date, because you're going to get fed
Speaker 1: all of the nonsense, right, you know, this is an
Speaker 1: archaic you know, type think and all the other non
Speaker 1: sense that the Nail Deagrass Tyson's professor Daves, you know,
Speaker 1: insert scientologist here that is going to try to and
Speaker 1: especially it's a very critical point, right when somebody comes
Speaker 1: to the truth, whether it's nine to eleven or flat Earth,
Speaker 1: right when they come upon the information, it's almost like
Speaker 1: everything else, right, you have a certain amount of time.
Speaker 1: You know, if you know a police report, you know
Speaker 1: they say X amount of hours to get it done
Speaker 1: before the chances of solving the case, you know, really minimizes.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a lot to do with this
Speaker 1: as well. You know, somebody comes across flat Earth and
Speaker 1: they oh, I didn't know, Joe thought the Earth was flat,
Speaker 1: and maybe they research it for a few minutes when
Speaker 1: they get home from work. Well, if they come upon
Speaker 1: professor where they go to Google unfortunately to try to
Speaker 1: search for that information, the disinformation agents are going to
Speaker 1: put that doubt in their mind and they're going to
Speaker 1: go back into their hole, right.
Speaker 5: I think I think that's a really good argument for
Speaker 5: like you were saying early earlier, having books in print,
Speaker 5: you know, I think it's the same thing on on
Speaker 5: these things here. You know, like this podcast, for example,
Speaker 5: this is going to be uploaded, it's going to be
Speaker 5: on the web, but you know, if somebody wants to
Speaker 5: get rid of it, they'll just erase the whole server
Speaker 5: and it's gone forever, you know. So I've even considered
Speaker 5: backing up all of my stuff and labeling all my
Speaker 5: podcasts as an MP three and recording those MP three's
Speaker 5: onto a disc or you know, or a flash drive,
Speaker 5: and having those available to people for in the future.
Speaker 5: Same as a book. You know, it's like, hey, here,
Speaker 5: you can buy this book and you can have it now.
Speaker 5: They're going to scrub the internet possibly, you know, and
Speaker 5: you'll never be able to find this information again. But
Speaker 5: if you have it in a hard print, you've got
Speaker 5: it and you can give it to somebody else the
Speaker 5: same as same as these recordings. You know, hey, here's
Speaker 5: a disc or a flash drive with the data on
Speaker 5: it in case it's scrubbed off the Internet. So I'm
Speaker 5: a firm believer in.
Speaker 1: That if you were able to walk into a church,
Speaker 1: and by the way, your book, The Flat Earth Bible,
Speaker 1: a detailed explanation of Biblical flat Earth, was just published
Speaker 1: on paperback what four months ago, So number one, congratulations
Speaker 1: on that for your time and effort. If you were
Speaker 1: to point out, let's just say three to four verses
Speaker 1: that are the most important to you as laying it
Speaker 1: out to someone in the church community, whether formal or informal,
Speaker 1: what are the most important verses to you telling flat Earth?
Speaker 1: I should say Biblical cosmology.
Speaker 5: Detailing flat Earth, well, one of the ones.
Speaker 1: I really like.
Speaker 5: Of course, obviously, if you start off in Genesis, you've
Speaker 5: got where it initially talks about the firmament, okay, So
Speaker 5: what I like to do is pinpoint out.
Speaker 1: The fact that you have.
Speaker 5: Versus in the very first page of the Bible that
Speaker 5: talks about the firmament and how the Earth was made. Okay,
Speaker 5: And then if you happen to listen to the wrong
Speaker 5: person on YouTube, they will tell you that that has
Speaker 5: been destroyed in the flood. But then you can come
Speaker 5: on up into I guess it's Psalms, and I know
Speaker 5: Psalm nineteen is one of them where King David has
Speaker 5: actually talked about the firmament and how it shows God's handiwork.
Speaker 5: And there's another one and it slips my mind. It's
Speaker 5: in Psalms. It's another one that talks about the firmament,
Speaker 5: you know, in Psalms that King David wrote. And you
Speaker 5: know this is this is happening four to six hundred
Speaker 5: years after the flood, So we have a person in
Speaker 5: the Bible who is mentioning the firmament and talking about it,
Speaker 5: you know, four to six hundred years after some people
Speaker 5: claim that it was destroyed. That yet it's still brought
Speaker 5: up again. And it's brought up of course, like the
Speaker 5: one that's on the top of my tongue is or
Speaker 5: tip of my tongue is Psalm nineteen where it says,
Speaker 5: you know, God's handiwork show within the firmament. You know,
Speaker 5: the firmament shows God's handiwork. And so you know, that's
Speaker 5: one of the important ones to me because it disproves
Speaker 5: that this firmament fell down during the flood. It's just
Speaker 5: it's right off the bat proof because it's mentioned again,
Speaker 5: and it's mentioned twice. So that's pretty important to me.
Speaker 5: As far as one of the verses, you know.
Speaker 1: That that's a good one, and I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I'm sure you're fully well aware
Speaker 1: of that. Bible verses on Warner von Brown's headstone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, same one, Psalm nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yep. Do you think that was mockery or disclosure?
Speaker 5: I think it was disclosure because if if what they
Speaker 5: say is true. You know, he had a confidant to
Speaker 5: lady who was I guess his secretary or something, and
Speaker 5: he supposedly confided in her in his last days that
Speaker 5: everything that he was doing was a lie, and he said,
Speaker 5: they're doing this, of course, you know, to gain control
Speaker 5: over you. And he proceeded to tell her that the
Speaker 5: final thing is going to be aliens, and they're going
Speaker 5: to claim that they're having to do this to protect
Speaker 5: us from aliens, and it's all going to be in
Speaker 5: outer space. And you know, he told this lady this
Speaker 5: way before we had any elon Musk's way, before we
Speaker 5: had any of that kind of technology, and it just
Speaker 5: so happens.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Now here we are in twenty twenty five, late twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two four, you know, we've got things showing up,
Speaker 5: you know, drones showing up, and people are claiming that
Speaker 5: they're aliens. And now anywhere you look online they're claiming
Speaker 5: more alien craft have be cited, you know, UFOs here,
Speaker 5: UAPs here. So yeah, I think it's just closure. I
Speaker 5: think he knew, good and well everything he was doing
Speaker 5: was fake.
Speaker 1: It's a lie.
Speaker 5: And of course he had no he had no choice
Speaker 5: but to be part of it or probably be executed,
Speaker 5: you know, for being a Nazi. Absolutely and so and
Speaker 5: kind of on the last deal, he didn't spell the
Speaker 5: whole verse out, but he just put on there Psalm nineteen.
Speaker 5: You know that way if somebody's like, huh, this guy
Speaker 5: didn't even claim to be a Christian, so let's go
Speaker 5: look up Psalm nineteen. Oh, well, he's talking about the firmament.
Speaker 5: Imagine that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: If that verse is true, which I believe it to
Speaker 5: be true, man can't get past that firmament to get
Speaker 5: in any type of vacuum of outer space. So I
Speaker 5: think it's disclosure. I think it's a very subtle way
Speaker 5: to say, hey, I'm dead now and you can't kill me.
Speaker 5: So you know here it is.
Speaker 1: It's fake. Absolutely. I also wanted your opinion. Do you
Speaker 1: think it's possible? And obviously this is just you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're having some con conjecture. Do you think the
Speaker 1: Milky Way could possibly be the crack in the firmament
Speaker 1: where the waters came through. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who think that that was, you know, the
Speaker 1: scar or where the you know, the waters came through.
Speaker 5: I have read, I've read a little bit about that,
Speaker 5: and I don't I don't know if it is or not.
Speaker 5: And the only reason I would say probably not in
Speaker 5: my opinion is because it talks about, you know, people
Speaker 5: going up in the Bible and coming down. It talks
Speaker 5: about those doors, the windows of heaven being opened, and
Speaker 5: you know, I think that if if God actually opened
Speaker 5: those and shut them himself, I don't really think it
Speaker 5: would leave a scar or a mark. You know, it's
Speaker 5: he did it, and you know it's one of those things.
Speaker 5: If God does it, it's probably done perfectly. I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know that's a great I mean, possibly, yeah, sure,
Speaker 5: you know, it would be like anything else. It'd be like, okay,
Speaker 5: well God created this, but now see this nasty remnant
Speaker 5: over here. Oh yeah, I really tore all this land
Speaker 5: up when he did it. Well, while you know, he
Speaker 5: wouldn't do that. If he's gonna do it, he's going
Speaker 5: to do it right, So I don't know I would.
Speaker 5: I would lean more towards if there's some kind of
Speaker 5: a mark, you know, on the firmament that people can see,
Speaker 5: it's probably from something like Operation fish Bowl where they
Speaker 5: shot some kind of a rocket up there and tried
Speaker 5: to tear it up on purpose.
Speaker 1: That's a good point too.
Speaker 5: You know, and it probably just scuffed it or something,
Speaker 5: and that's what they're seeing. I'd be I'd lean more
Speaker 5: towards man purposely tried to tear it up. Then God
Speaker 5: left a scar behind when he opened it. You know,
Speaker 5: that's my opinion, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, no, it's what well said, well thought
Speaker 1: out I asked. I've been asking a lot of my
Speaker 1: guests this recently. Obviously, our history books are are full
Speaker 1: of lies. I always say, there semi truths, you know,
Speaker 1: scattered with with a lot of lies at best. What
Speaker 1: is the best way to ensure we passed down this knowledge,
Speaker 1: this true knowledge, whether it's you know, a biblical cosmology,
Speaker 1: the truth about you know, insert historical event here. How
Speaker 1: do we ensure that our grandchildren and their grandchildren are
Speaker 1: able to know the truth about these type of conversations
Speaker 1: we're talking about right now.
Speaker 5: Well, I think obviously one of the best ways is again,
Speaker 5: like you said, is to have this stuff in print,
Speaker 5: dated material and have enough of it out there to
Speaker 5: where it can't.
Speaker 1: Just be swept under the rug.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like this book here, this Flat Earth Bible book.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's nothing spectacular, it's kind of a beginner's book.
Speaker 5: But you know, if there was millions of these out here,
Speaker 5: you know, they couldn't just you know, those things could
Speaker 5: be passed down and say, hey, read this here, check
Speaker 5: this out, the same as the same as these podcasts
Speaker 5: being recorded, you know, and put on some type of
Speaker 5: a hard disk or something that doesn't just fall away,
Speaker 5: and pass this stuff down and archive it, you know,
Speaker 5: an archive of this stuff. When YouTube decides to kick
Speaker 5: it all off and they just erase the whole thing,
Speaker 5: it's gone, you know. So I think everything needs to
Speaker 5: have a hard copy in other words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's even if you've got a three ring binder
Speaker 1: and started printing stuff off the internet and you know,
Speaker 1: keeping them in document protectors, and that's just not for this.
Speaker 1: I mean, like right now, if I needed to fix
Speaker 1: my washer or dryer or you know, insert thing I
Speaker 1: need that broke down engine headlight, we go to YouTube
Speaker 1: right how to replace twenty eighteen Ford escape headlight. We
Speaker 1: can do that stuff. But there will be I think
Speaker 1: in our lifetime, whether you want to call it a
Speaker 1: social credit score or something like that, that if you
Speaker 1: don't toe the line, if you don't you know, play
Speaker 1: the matrix, that you will not be able to access
Speaker 1: a lot of these things. So I can't stress enough,
Speaker 1: like you said, to ensure you're either printing stuff off
Speaker 1: the internet or as far as books go, pardon me,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, purchasing these books and keeping them
Speaker 1: in your library. I wanted to transfer a little bit
Speaker 1: or segue, I should say a little bit to your
Speaker 1: other book, Demons among Us Spiritual Warfare, And when we
Speaker 1: talk about spiritual warfare and its connection to Satan, what
Speaker 1: was your seminal message of this book.
Speaker 5: Well, the message of the book is because really what
Speaker 5: happened is It starts with the first book, which is
Speaker 5: called a Haunting of Virginia crim And if these are
Speaker 5: both true stories there, these are both actual facts that
Speaker 5: have happened. And I believe, biblically believe here that anytime
Speaker 5: you see an alien, a demon or not a demon,
Speaker 5: an alien, a ghost, bigfoot, anything like that, you're actually
Speaker 5: witnessing some than demonic. You are seeing a devil or
Speaker 5: a demon.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: So my mother was plagued by these hauntings her whole
Speaker 5: entire life, and I wrote all the stories down that
Speaker 5: she told me, and there are some very bizarre stories,
Speaker 5: and she believed them to be she believed them to
Speaker 5: be ghosts. I believe them to be demonic.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: So years later my mother in law ex mother in
Speaker 5: law now of course she's dead now as well, they've
Speaker 5: both passed on. She told me very similar stories that
Speaker 5: she had encountered her whole entire life. And that's what's
Speaker 5: in the second book, which is Demons among Us. And
Speaker 5: the reason I chose that title is because all this
Speaker 5: stuff she was seeing was happening all around her all
Speaker 5: the time, and it's literally like these demons are living
Speaker 5: right beside you and possibly you know, haunting you and
Speaker 5: bob you, which comes into the spiritual warfare. You know
Speaker 5: that these entities or demons are around you all the time,
Speaker 5: and it's just a matter of if they want to
Speaker 5: show themselves as something or they want to attack you mentally, physically,
Speaker 5: or however they want to do it. And so that
Speaker 5: that's how you get your spiritual warfare.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So if you are a follower of Jesus Christ, are
Speaker 1: you less apt to be, you know, to be attacked
Speaker 1: by these you know, the denmonic attacks or are you
Speaker 1: less apt to be attacked by these demons?
Speaker 5: Well, that's a good question. I've noticed that lots of
Speaker 5: people who are unsaved have lots of problems with this
Speaker 5: kind of stuff, and it seems like they're always the
Speaker 5: ones that are into a haunted house or you know,
Speaker 5: owegi aboard or some kind of tarot cards, and they've
Speaker 5: always got these weird problems and they've always they're always
Speaker 5: surrounded by that kind of stuff. So I think you're
Speaker 5: more apt to be possibly physically attacked and bothered by
Speaker 5: any type of that kind of stuff if you're unsaved. However,
Speaker 5: if you are saved, I think I think that they
Speaker 5: really come in and try to attack you spiritually. Then
Speaker 5: then I think, you know, it's it's like you can
Speaker 5: feel that they're there and you have you know, your
Speaker 5: bad dreams or you're just feelings of dread or whatever.
Speaker 5: Because I know a lot of pastors that say they
Speaker 5: they are really getting attacked all the time. And these
Speaker 5: are people that's all they do is preach and talk
Speaker 5: about Jesus Christ, and they're they're they're claiming they're constantly
Speaker 5: under demonic attack, so you know, but but they're not
Speaker 5: being physically attacked. They're being mentally attacked, where like my
Speaker 5: mother was physically attacked and mentally. Obviously it's mental if
Speaker 5: you're getting physically attacked. But I I don't think the
Speaker 5: devil in his in his little devils, his minions, can
Speaker 5: just physically attack.
Speaker 1: You if you're saved.
Speaker 5: I just don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I agree, And it would make sense for them to
Speaker 1: spiritually attack you because they, you know, the people who
Speaker 1: aren't saved, Satan already has them for the time being, right,
Speaker 1: so he wants to go after those and deceive those
Speaker 1: and attack those who are already saved in Christ. Right
Speaker 1: that that's his goal. That's Satan's whole goal is to
Speaker 1: deceive the nations and you know, keep as many people
Speaker 1: away from you know, you know Heaven. Sure God's paradise
Speaker 1: as he can because he knows, he knows the outcome,
Speaker 1: he knows the endgame, he knows he's on a limited time.
Speaker 1: And obviously we can argue, we can discuss the timeline
Speaker 1: we're in. I think a lot of people, including myself,
Speaker 1: believe that our timeline has been manipulated. So it's important
Speaker 1: as ever to come out and do the things we're doing,
Speaker 1: like yourself and others, is to get the message out there.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people will say, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: biblical cosmology is not a salvation issue. However, I would
Speaker 1: counter that argument with I can't tell you the number
Speaker 1: of emails I have gotten over the years, people who
Speaker 1: lost their faith in God and haven't opened a Bible
Speaker 1: in years. They discovered this lie and they realize that yes,
Speaker 1: God is not only real, he's right above us, looking down,
Speaker 1: you know, at the circle of the earth like grasshoppers,
Speaker 1: as the verse says, and it has brought them back
Speaker 1: to God. And you know the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, I agree, and I've heard that before.
Speaker 5: You know, hey, this is on a salvation issue. Okay,
Speaker 5: you're correct, it's not. However, it is a hang up
Speaker 5: for a lot of people. And I know this for
Speaker 5: a fact because I've got experience with that years ago
Speaker 5: before I was saved. You know, I didn't get saved
Speaker 5: until I was in my twenties. And you know, my
Speaker 5: parents weren't religious, nothing like that. But one of my
Speaker 5: big hang ups were dinosaurs. Okay, as silly and ridiculous
Speaker 5: as that sounds, you know, dinosaurs have nothing to do
Speaker 5: with salvation, but you know, they're finding these dinosaur bones supposedly,
Speaker 5: you know, these skeletons, and they claim that there's so
Speaker 5: many millions of years old.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: I didn't know anything about the Bible or God, and
Speaker 5: so I would ask people, hey, explain this to me.
Speaker 5: The scientists are saying these are twenty million years old.
Speaker 5: You're telling me the Earth is only six thousand years old,
Speaker 5: you know, okay, with a question mark. And they literally
Speaker 5: were speechless. They would they'd had no idea what to say.
Speaker 5: They couldn't they couldn't say yay or nay. You know,
Speaker 5: they couldn't say, hey, you know, these dinosaurs aren't even real.
Speaker 5: That's all fabricated. Okay, I could have maybe accepted that,
Speaker 5: but they didn't have an answer at all, nothing, And
Speaker 5: so I'm like, you know what, if you can't even
Speaker 5: explain something so simple as a skeleton in the ground
Speaker 5: and they're claiming as twenty million years old and you
Speaker 5: can't tell me why it's not twenty or anything, how
Speaker 5: can I believe a word you say? And so it
Speaker 5: was a big hang up for me. Dinosaur bones, I mean,
Speaker 5: as ridiculous as that sounds. So my opinion, I realize
Speaker 5: there's a lot of things in the Bible that are
Speaker 5: not salvation issues. But if you claim to be a
Speaker 5: Bible believer and you study the Bible and you've went
Speaker 5: to seminary, or you're a pastor or a preacher, and
Speaker 5: I ask you a very simple question as a non believer,
Speaker 5: you know, you're probably expected to have an answer of
Speaker 5: some type, you know, and if you don't, you're liable
Speaker 5: to have that person say, you know what, you can't
Speaker 5: answer something simple about this firmament. You're telling me it
Speaker 5: does not real, but I'm reading it in black and white.
Speaker 5: I don't any I don't have any time for you.
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: Do you think that has to do because I'm assuming listen,
Speaker 1: I haven't been to seminary. I haven't been to Bible College.
Speaker 1: I've taken a lot of online courses that certain seminaries
Speaker 1: offer for free, but I've never been in an actual seminary.
Speaker 1: Do you think that is many of the schools the
Speaker 1: you know, these seminaries, do you think they listen, this
Speaker 1: is just for lack of a better word, hijacked and
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the Schofield Bible, where we're
Speaker 1: going to teach you this much, but we're not going
Speaker 1: to really you know, talk about this, that or the
Speaker 1: other thing.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think I think that's probably the case, Like
Speaker 5: the one that I have tended. I have a master's
Speaker 5: degree in Biblical exposition, which is a detailed study of
Speaker 5: the Bible. You know, their detailed study. It's detailed as
Speaker 5: far as you know King David and Esther and and
Speaker 5: everything that happened. I mean, it's all detailed except for
Speaker 5: anything other like something that's between the lines. You see
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like like we can tell talk about Genesis,
Speaker 5: we can talk about the creation, and we can talk
Speaker 5: about the Earth and yes, but it's like, well, let's
Speaker 5: read between the line right here when it says the
Speaker 5: firmament this and that and the sun and moon is
Speaker 5: in the firmament, Well, you know, hey, that's that's not
Speaker 5: really what we're teaching here. That's we're not going into
Speaker 5: any type of science stuff here. All we need to
Speaker 5: get to you in your head is that God created it.
Speaker 5: You believe it. Yeah, okay, well let's go on to
Speaker 5: the next one. And let's go on to the next one.
Speaker 5: And all the stuff that kind of falls in the
Speaker 5: between the cracks, that's that's where a lot of people
Speaker 5: get lost. And and and I understand, you know, it's
Speaker 5: not you know, it's not salvation.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: And I've got a pastor that I listen to, and
Speaker 5: that's what he says. He goes, I don't even want
Speaker 5: to talk about it. You know, this is not this
Speaker 5: is this is not salvation related. So he won't he
Speaker 5: won't even talk about it. It's like, okay, well that's
Speaker 5: fine for people, that's all they want to hear. But
Speaker 5: you know, there are lots of people out here that
Speaker 5: want a little more. And I think that's where that
Speaker 5: Book of Enoch and these others come in. Is because
Speaker 5: that like the Little Book of Enoch, which I don't
Speaker 5: believe that it's cannon. You know, it's not scripture, but
Speaker 5: people think that it's accurate. And maybe it is and
Speaker 5: maybe it's not. But they'll take that book and they'll
Speaker 5: read it and they'll say, now, see here's here's here's
Speaker 5: what I wanted to know right here, and they use
Speaker 5: it as truth, whether it is or isn't, you know,
Speaker 5: because it explains stuff. People want those explanations. And if
Speaker 5: you can't offer anything in my in my opinion, you're
Speaker 5: you're leaving a lot on the table, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I am very much a King James
Speaker 1: version guy. I try not to use anything else because
Speaker 1: anytime something is translated, it loses meaning and you leave
Speaker 1: that up to the opinion of the translator. And I
Speaker 1: also have a copy. Unfortunately, I'm almost fifty six. My
Speaker 1: eyes aren't what they use. I was born with bad eyes,
Speaker 1: and fifty six years later they're not any better, you know.
Speaker 1: I have a fifteen sixty well Geneva Bible, you know,
Speaker 1: with the text and everything, and I do and I
Speaker 1: think it includes the fourteen books of the Apocrypha. And
Speaker 1: one of the things I do point to is, you know,
Speaker 1: Joshua ten thirteen, where it does mention the Book of
Speaker 1: yah Sure, et cetera. And I do think they are
Speaker 1: good supporting documents, if you will, and it does that
Speaker 1: some of those books do provide some answers that we
Speaker 1: are looking for. That you know, the type of critical
Speaker 1: thinkers who if you know, we ask a pastor ninety
Speaker 1: percent of maybe as eye but won't have that type
Speaker 1: of answer, or we'll just you know, refer to science. Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, But that to me shows that, you know,
Speaker 5: people want to know stuff, yep. And you know, there's
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff in the Bible, and yes, if
Speaker 5: you go through the Bible, you can you can read
Speaker 5: that and you know pretty much everything in it you
Speaker 5: need to know, and some of it you can just
Speaker 5: kind of guess at. You know, it talks about giants,
Speaker 5: it talks about all that stuff, and so we know
Speaker 5: they existed. So it's good enough for me to read
Speaker 5: it and say, Okay, it says that giants existed pre flood.
Speaker 5: Now obviously they existed after the flood too, because we
Speaker 5: talk about giants again, we've got giants in Canaan. You know,
Speaker 5: we've got a king that's a giant. Whatever his name was,
Speaker 5: I can't think of it. You know, we've got other
Speaker 5: giants that are still alive after the flood, so obviously
Speaker 5: they survived. So where how did they survive the flood?
Speaker 5: Because we know they weren't on the ark, but yet
Speaker 5: here they are again, So did we have more of
Speaker 5: the same thing that started that created the giants to
Speaker 5: begin with, or did these giants somehow survive the flood.
Speaker 5: Did they go up high enough to get away from
Speaker 5: the flood, or did they go down low enough to
Speaker 5: survive the flood. But but my point being here is
Speaker 5: that yes, is people want to understand that. It's like,
Speaker 5: especially in today's world, where you say, hey, you that
Speaker 5: alien right there, that is not an alien spacecraft from
Speaker 5: outer space from Mars. That is a demon you're seeing.
Speaker 5: It's showing you what you want to see. It's pretending
Speaker 5: to be this to mislead you. And then somebody says, well,
Speaker 5: that's not biblical, Well yes it is. Let's go back
Speaker 5: to the demons interbreeding with people and doing all the
Speaker 5: stuff they're doing. That that's what we've got today. They're
Speaker 5: still around, you know. I mean that's the only explanation,
Speaker 5: because if you want to biblically explain something, you know,
Speaker 5: you can't have Mars. You know, aliens from Mars when
Speaker 5: we both know we can't get to Mars. The Mars
Speaker 5: is not what they say it is. Well, that can't
Speaker 5: be true. I've seen the pictures. Yeah, you've seen that
Speaker 5: CGI picture, haven't you?
Speaker 1: For that isn't it amazing? You know Nixon talk to
Speaker 1: the astronauts on a landline and then you know, my
Speaker 1: serious radio will We'll just lose connectivity or whatever when
Speaker 1: I'm driving through the rural area I live in all
Speaker 1: the time. But we at these perfect images from Mars
Speaker 1: every day and I just laugh. If you go back
Speaker 1: to JPL's website, I think it was twenty twelve, they
Speaker 1: have an image still there. They never took it down.
Speaker 1: There's a mouse or some you know, some type of
Speaker 1: rat on the bottom left corner of the picture. And
Speaker 1: again that I believe that's disclosure. They have to, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of admit that these things are false. But still,
Speaker 1: you know, every day NASA gets their seventy million dollars
Speaker 1: in life goes on.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, maybe DOZE will take care of that. I
Speaker 5: don't know, We'll say I doubt it because you know,
Speaker 5: the guy running Doze is all about outer space and
Speaker 5: Mars yep.
Speaker 1: Part of the deceive, part of the couption.
Speaker 5: You know, they couldn't possibly say, hey, we're going to
Speaker 5: defund it. I mean, and it's fake. You couldn't say
Speaker 5: it's fake because you're claiming you've got rockets go into space.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't believe we're doing that, obviously.
Speaker 1: Absolutely everybody else is. You know, he's he's busting all
Speaker 1: these you know, the irs and social just like but
Speaker 1: I haven't heard any stories about NASA being looked at yet,
Speaker 1: have you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: No, as far as I know right now, aren't they
Speaker 5: claiming that they have a couple of astronauts stuck up
Speaker 5: in space right now? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The two big stories has been the two astrois. I
Speaker 1: think it's a male and a female stuck in space?
Speaker 1: How dare I assume their genders? Right? And the other
Speaker 1: one was this, you know, there's a three and a
Speaker 1: half percent chance and this is another big thing with
Speaker 1: this deception, right, you know, this story that's been all
Speaker 1: over the internet, a chance that an asteroid could impact Earth,
Speaker 1: and if you just go to Google and put asteroid
Speaker 1: impact Earth, you go by it. They've been pushing this
Speaker 1: story for decades.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I remember this one. I was a kid.
Speaker 5: Asteroid's gonna hit the Earth and acid rain and you
Speaker 5: name it. They do the same things over and over
Speaker 5: and over because they're hoping people won't remember it. And
Speaker 5: the new people are like, oh, did you hear what's
Speaker 5: going to happen? It's like, yeah, they've be saying that
Speaker 5: for years.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever shared this story, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're old enough to remember Skylab
Speaker 1: and that was the thing that crashed into the Earth
Speaker 1: and they were going to give I think this was
Speaker 1: like eighty one or eighty two, and they were going
Speaker 1: to give you know, rewards to people who returned to
Speaker 1: the pieces because it was classified. I was like ten,
Speaker 1: and I was looking up into the sky waiting for
Speaker 1: it to fall out of the side to get my money.
Speaker 1: It's funny when you look back all these headlines and
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of stories, whether it be The New York Times, CBS,
Speaker 1: nudes the odds of asteroid, Why are four hitting Earth?
Speaker 1: And twenty thirty two go up again, so and again
Speaker 1: they'll use these stories and like everything else, whether it's
Speaker 1: going back to the moon, they'll kick the can down
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's just a fear based thing, and it's
Speaker 5: to keep you under control and to keep you always scared.
Speaker 5: And of course it's also a diversion. I mean, if
Speaker 5: you're willing to believe there's an asteroid going to hit
Speaker 5: the Earth, then you know, and you believe it, then
Speaker 5: you'll probably believe that, you know, an asteroid hit the
Speaker 5: Earth and knocked all the dinosaurs out, you know, twenty
Speaker 5: million years ago, right, which means there's outer space, so
Speaker 5: there couldn't be a firmament and there couldn't be God,
Speaker 5: and you know that kind of stuff. And then I've
Speaker 5: actually heard a pastor in the past say something about
Speaker 5: you know, oh yeah, yah, yeah, dinosaurs were real. You know,
Speaker 5: he God created those. That was kind of his test run,
Speaker 5: you know, he gave him a test run. They didn't
Speaker 5: work out, you know, and ended up dying, so he
Speaker 5: had to think of something else. And it's like, you
Speaker 5: mean to tell me, the King of Kings, the God
Speaker 5: of Glory, made a mistake and made these dinosaurs and
Speaker 5: they just didn't quite live and they weren't right, and
Speaker 5: he realized the horrible mistake he made, so he cleaned
Speaker 5: him up. Come on now, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, okay, it can be a little frustrating. I've heard
Speaker 1: people defend, you know, that God was possible for the
Speaker 1: Big Bang and evolution and everything else. I was like,
Speaker 1: how does that correspond with the Book of Genesis? How
Speaker 1: long has it been since you've read the Book of Genesis?
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, a lot of this is just people believing,
Speaker 1: And I honestly think this is a large problem we
Speaker 1: have is a lot of people believe that, well, these
Speaker 1: people who lived they think millions of years ago. Actually
Speaker 1: a very small percentage of the actual church congregation overall
Speaker 1: know that the earth is only you know, six thousand,
Speaker 1: sixty five hundred years because they've been their brain has
Speaker 1: been overwrought with scientism. They still believe it's been million
Speaker 1: of years, so they think and they still buy the
Speaker 1: caveman story, which I don't remember seeing any cavemen in
Speaker 1: the Bible anyway. They think that these people were low
Speaker 1: iq they didn't know what was going on, right, They
Speaker 1: accidentally ate a poppy seed and thought, you know the
Speaker 1: burning bush was talking to him. That's what they really think.
Speaker 1: That these people really didn't understand what was going on.
Speaker 1: They're not smart as us today. And actually I think
Speaker 1: it's the complete reverse. I think they have hid so
Speaker 1: much from us that the people back from the earliest
Speaker 1: time we're talking, you know, Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, all
Speaker 1: these people are way smarter and understood how the world
Speaker 1: works than the people do today.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, absolutely, these people that think that we're evolving into
Speaker 5: something better are basically lunatics.
Speaker 6: They'd have to be.
Speaker 5: Now, what it is is the Bible's correct man is
Speaker 5: getting worse, not better. Okay, everything we do is worse.
Speaker 5: And it's funny because and I'm sure they have done
Speaker 5: something with the timelines, and I've looked into this thing
Speaker 5: called Tardia or whatever it is, and the mud flood yep. Okay, well, obviously,
Speaker 5: let's apply this biblically if we want, if we want
Speaker 5: to have some sound doctrine here, let's compare it to
Speaker 5: what the Holy Bible says. Well, we know that Adam
Speaker 5: and Eve and we go on from there. Before the flood. Okay,
Speaker 5: these guys were living. Will Mathusa lived to be nine
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty nine years old, okay, which was Noah's grandpa.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: These people are living pushing a thousand years okay. They're
Speaker 5: living in a perfect environment where they don't have to
Speaker 5: worry about what the things we have to worry about.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: These guys were smart. I mean, Adam named all of
Speaker 5: the animals, and if you notice, all the names fit.
Speaker 5: So you know, if you say a horse, you picture
Speaker 5: a horse that that's perfect, right. You say a dog,
Speaker 5: a dog, a cat, Well, he named all those animals.
Speaker 5: The man was a genius okay, and his ancestors were
Speaker 5: geniuses compared to what we are today. They were the
Speaker 5: cream of the crop. They had the best possible DNA
Speaker 5: and minds ever, because they're the first. Now once they
Speaker 5: send and send got in there that they start degrading
Speaker 5: over years. But they're still at their prime right now
Speaker 5: for what they could be. Well, these buildings and stuff
Speaker 5: they're finding that have been buried for thousands of years,
Speaker 5: they probably got buried in the flood. They were built
Speaker 5: pre flood, I mean, okay, big deal. They had all
Speaker 5: kinds of technology we probably don't understand, and they had
Speaker 5: help from devils. These same devils and or fallen angels
Speaker 5: are coming down and having children with women, and they're
Speaker 5: being worshiped as gods. So you know, they're saying, hey,
Speaker 5: you need some help. I'll show you how to do that.
Speaker 5: I'll show you how to make this intricate stone work.
Speaker 5: You know that weighs, you know, thirty tons, and you
Speaker 5: just move it over there with the flick of a
Speaker 5: finger and just form it into whatever you want. I'm
Speaker 5: sure they had technology that's so above and beyond what
Speaker 5: we can even fathom right now. But you know, after
Speaker 5: the flood, we're back down to Noah and his family,
Speaker 5: so they were literally thrust back into the Stone Age
Speaker 5: after the flood. So you know, you could be a
Speaker 5: rocket scientist, okay and everything. You know, you have no electricity,
Speaker 5: you have no running water, you have the clothes on
Speaker 5: your back, and you're put on a desert island. Well
Speaker 5: can you build a rocket ship? Well no, because you
Speaker 5: can't mind the metal. You have nothing but your hands,
Speaker 5: so you literally have to start all over. Even though
Speaker 5: you have the knowledge, you can't do it physically. And
Speaker 5: I believe that's what happened. It reset after the flood.
Speaker 1: See, yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point.
Speaker 1: Something we like to add, I'm sorry, something like we
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, is your silver bullets? You
Speaker 1: know you're in an elevator and you only have thirty
Speaker 1: seconds to introduce flat Earth to a complete stranger. What
Speaker 1: are your go tos? And I understand maybe someone who
Speaker 1: is an atheist may not want to hear Bible versus
Speaker 1: or someone who is a Christian, a follower of Christ,
Speaker 1: you'd like to lay down some Bible versus proving it
Speaker 1: either or what are your most important proofs of Biblical
Speaker 1: cosmology that you could lay down to a complete stranger
Speaker 1: in thirty seconds.
Speaker 5: Well, my mind has to do with the curvature. And
Speaker 5: I had this same conversation with a guy in line
Speaker 5: to buy coffee the other day. He saw my bumper
Speaker 5: sticker which said research Flat Earth and had my website,
Speaker 5: and he asked about it, and he said, what's.
Speaker 1: One of your proofs?
Speaker 5: And we only had a few seconds really through the line,
Speaker 5: and I said, well, it's earth curvature. I said, you
Speaker 5: go on to NASA, any of the scientific websites, and
Speaker 5: it will tell you that the curvature of the Earth
Speaker 5: is eight inches per mile squared. I said, so the
Speaker 5: first mile is eight inches, the second mile is like
Speaker 5: thirty two inches, and it just goes on and on
Speaker 5: and on.
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 5: So if you're standing on a flat surface like water,
Speaker 5: like on the ocean, and you watch a ship sail
Speaker 5: away after so long, it looked like it goes down
Speaker 5: and it disappears, I said. The scientist claim that that
Speaker 5: ship is sailing over the curvature of the Earth, and
Speaker 5: that's why you can't see it. I said, But due
Speaker 5: to new technology, you can pull out a brand new
Speaker 5: camera like a Nike on p. One thousand, and you
Speaker 5: can take and you can shine that camera over there,
Speaker 5: and you can still see the ship. Guess what, It
Speaker 5: didn't go over the curve, and you can see it
Speaker 5: out fifty miles away where it should be way over
Speaker 5: the curve. There should be like one thousand feet of
Speaker 5: water in between. But you can still see it, I said,
Speaker 5: Because it has nothing to do with the curve. It
Speaker 5: has to do with how far your human eye can see.
Speaker 5: And it's called perspective. Everything appears to go down and
Speaker 5: smaller perspective has nothing to do with curvature. And I said,
Speaker 5: and you can prove that yourself with a camera or
Speaker 5: a telescope. You can walk right out there and see
Speaker 5: past distances that according to NASA and the Globe people
Speaker 5: on their Earth curvature calculator that you can type in
Speaker 5: on your phone on Google. You can prove that calculator
Speaker 5: wrong just by with visually looking with your own eyes.
Speaker 5: So now you go out and look with your own eyes,
Speaker 5: and you tell me if that calculation is correct, and
Speaker 5: that calculation is what they're telling you. I mean, that's
Speaker 5: what they're basing everything off of, is that calculation, And
Speaker 5: any person can walk right outside and prove it's not true.
Speaker 5: Go check go check it out. And that's that's what
Speaker 5: I tell him.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Did could you tell in his eyes? Did
Speaker 1: you spark a little bit of curiosity there? I think so,
Speaker 1: because I gave him a bumper sticker, okay, And later
Speaker 1: on I came through and he said, hey, I took
Speaker 1: your bumper sticker and I stuck it on the wall
Speaker 1: in the break room. He says, so now everybody has
Speaker 1: to see it. Nice.
Speaker 5: So I mean, you know, he could have just thrown
Speaker 5: it in the trash.
Speaker 1: You know, that's good though, that's awesome, and you know,
Speaker 1: I always talk about the water cooler theories, right, it's
Speaker 1: okay to be at working on your break to talk
Speaker 1: about JFK. Even the moon landing, which, again, when you
Speaker 1: think about it, they lied about, if you believe the
Speaker 1: history books, right, they lied man's greatest They lied about
Speaker 1: man's greatest accomplishment. How after that, like, if you believe
Speaker 1: they lied about the moon landing, how can you not
Speaker 1: question every single other piece of information in the history books?
Speaker 5: I agree, I agree, well, of course, Like I said,
Speaker 5: I don't believe in the moon landing obviously, of course,
Speaker 5: And yes, I've doubted it from day one when I
Speaker 5: heard it years ago, when I had no proof and
Speaker 5: didn't have the Internet to research it, I didn't believe it.
Speaker 5: I just just never believed it. And uh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: but now now my question is on some of those
Speaker 5: you know, and I get asked this question a lot.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, how many people have to be in
Speaker 5: on this to lie, you know, to keep this lie going.
Speaker 5: I'm like, really not that many, because here's why most
Speaker 5: of your almost say air quote here scientists so called
Speaker 5: scientists today, even if they're not a scientist, let's just
Speaker 5: say they're an education politician, whatever they are. If you
Speaker 5: go to a normal college and school, you will be
Speaker 5: indoctrinated to say this happened.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: So let's just hypothetically say you went to school for history. Okay,
Speaker 5: that's what you're taught as part of the history, and
Speaker 5: the teacher teaching you that doesn't know any better either,
Speaker 5: because that's what they were taught. So they believe it,
Speaker 5: and they're teaching you something they believe. They have no facts,
Speaker 5: they never saw it, they have no proof. That's just
Speaker 5: what they were taught. And so now they're teaching it
Speaker 5: to you, okay, and you have to learn it to
Speaker 5: pass the course. So these people, initially there had to
Speaker 5: be so many people in on it. Once those people
Speaker 5: are you know, covered by media and lies, and then
Speaker 5: it's put into a textbook. From then on, everybody is
Speaker 5: taught something that's a lie is fact, and they don't
Speaker 5: have to be in on it anymore. They're just a
Speaker 5: byproduct of the lies and propaganda. That's all, you know.
Speaker 5: It's not like they're purposely trying to mislead you. That's
Speaker 5: what they were taught.
Speaker 1: They believe it. I agree, and I tell people I
Speaker 1: think the larger the organization is actually the easier it
Speaker 1: is to hide these type of things, whether it's the military.
Speaker 1: Because of the compartmentalization. People think that NASA is this
Speaker 1: small organization. There's like twenty thousand employees, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just astronauts. They have contractors, they've got what
Speaker 1: they call akademia, all these other things. Everybody has their
Speaker 1: little section of what they do and very few people,
Speaker 1: probably less than ten, and maybe that numbers. I actually
Speaker 1: know what's going on, right.
Speaker 6: I agree, and we know that.
Speaker 5: Well that things are going on right under people's noses.
Speaker 5: And when we figured this out supposedly with this doge,
Speaker 5: you know, they've got all this stuff going on and
Speaker 5: this money going out that people are completely unaware of,
Speaker 5: and they hide it in different lines and they hide
Speaker 5: everything under you know, whatever they can do to steal.
Speaker 5: And NASA's got to be doing the same thing. You know,
Speaker 5: they don't tell you everything. You're like, if you're lying,
Speaker 5: if your job is to code or your job is
Speaker 5: to record something, that's all you're able to do. And
Speaker 5: then you're like, what am I recording? Oh, you're recording
Speaker 5: the heart rate of an astronaut on the moon. Okay,
Speaker 5: that's what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: That guy could be in the room next door. You
Speaker 5: have no idea, You don't know where the signal is
Speaker 5: coming from, per se. It's just it's piped into your
Speaker 5: soul and you're recording it and you're monitoring it. And
Speaker 5: for all we know, it could be AI generated and
Speaker 5: they're not going to tell you that. So then when
Speaker 5: you go home you can say with a clear conscience, Yes,
Speaker 5: I'm monitored the astronauts heartbeat.
Speaker 3: On the moon.
Speaker 1: That's what I do.
Speaker 6: I know they're on the moon.
Speaker 5: I'm monitoring their heartbeat.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: Really, you're not monitoring anything. You're just sitting there like
Speaker 5: in a video game. And the people behind the two
Speaker 5: way glass over here, you know that are watching everything
Speaker 5: that do know what's going on. They're making fun of you, saying,
Speaker 5: this idiot over here, he really thinks he's onto something,
Speaker 5: don't he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And mockery is a huge part of their game.
Speaker 1: They laugh at us. I you know, I tell people,
Speaker 1: you look at every movie from the late fifties until today,
Speaker 1: Almost every single movie has a globe in it. You
Speaker 1: look at the TV shows mid to late fifties, even
Speaker 1: leave it to Beaver. Every single episode's got a globe
Speaker 1: in it, and you know, it goes back to Edward
Speaker 1: Burnez and Goebbels, all these people who really understand how
Speaker 1: the mind works and how they're able to subtly leave
Speaker 1: these things embolden in your mind to believe. So when
Speaker 1: these when you're actually taught these things, or you're told
Speaker 1: these things, you're just willing to accept it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's uh, well I was. I had saw a
Speaker 5: thing to where, you know, people are asking about NASA
Speaker 5: and supposedly it's on doge and of course they figured
Speaker 5: this out that they have a huge production facility and
Speaker 5: has to do with making movies and stuff, and people
Speaker 5: are like, well, I don't understand why NASA would have
Speaker 5: that other than their you know, faking stuff. That's obviously
Speaker 5: the first thing. But it's like, think about it, how
Speaker 5: do you think that all these movies and it's it's
Speaker 5: every movie. Like, I don't watch new stuff because I
Speaker 5: don't want to see filth that. I don't want to
Speaker 5: see nudity. I don't want to cussing, right, So I
Speaker 5: watch a lot of old crime stuff like Kojack and
Speaker 5: Barnaby Jones. I mean, stuff that's filmed in the sixties
Speaker 5: that has no cussing, nothing, Every single episode and it
Speaker 5: doesn't matter what it is, there's a globe in it.
Speaker 5: So somebody is telling these producers to put this stuff
Speaker 5: in it, because if you are a regular producer of
Speaker 5: a crime show and you're talking about a murder, you
Speaker 5: have no reason to come up with outer space. Okay,
Speaker 5: it has nothing to do with it. So I believe
Speaker 5: these NASA guys that that's all part of this studio thing.
Speaker 5: They have these consultants, if you want to call them that,
Speaker 5: they come in and say, Okay, you're gonna make a movie.
Speaker 5: You're part of Hollywood. Now here's the consultant. Now you
Speaker 5: need to set up your stage. You're set this certain way,
Speaker 5: and in every scene or every other scene, or at
Speaker 5: least one scene, we're going to have this big globe
Speaker 5: set up. It has nothing to do with the plot,
Speaker 5: has nothing. Is usually an outer place, but we're gonna
Speaker 5: have it. So we're gonna film this in a in
Speaker 5: a fake police station, but on the on the main
Speaker 5: policeman's desk, he needs to have this globe. And so
Speaker 5: every single thing, even if it's not science fiction, they've
Speaker 5: got the propaganda machine running one hundred percent of the time,
Speaker 5: you know, twenty four to seven, three sixty five yep.
Speaker 5: So as soon as the show starts to come up,
Speaker 5: it shows you about her space. Ninety nine percent of
Speaker 5: all of the logos of all these movie places is
Speaker 5: some kind of a planet or something floating in space,
Speaker 5: or the Earth floating in space and something flying around it,
Speaker 5: you know. And then every scene, or at least one
Speaker 5: scene in the main office or wherever it is in
Speaker 5: this movie, they've got a globe. They've always got something
Speaker 5: to do with globe. And if they ever do any talking.
Speaker 5: And I even saw this like on Murder she wrote
Speaker 5: one of the episodes. You know, of course they always
Speaker 5: have a globe somewhere. But then they mentioned dinosaur bone
Speaker 5: and it lived thirty million years ago, and it's like
Speaker 5: you just had to throw that in in you So,
Speaker 5: even in a show like that, they have to throw
Speaker 5: a evolution in there. Evolution has to be taught no
Speaker 5: matter what. So yeah, it's just in doctrination propaganda.
Speaker 1: That's how they do.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 5: Floods your mind with it constantly, and.
Speaker 1: It's all meant to trivialize God and make you think
Speaker 1: you're just a spec and you were here by accident.
Speaker 1: You're only here. You know, if you think, well, if
Speaker 1: the earth is ten million years old and I've only
Speaker 1: been here for I'll only be here for seventy eighty
Speaker 1: years old. It really trivialized your existence and it takes
Speaker 1: away the understanding is that God created you and put
Speaker 1: you here for a specific reason. And I say to
Speaker 1: everyone who is you know, in this timeline right now
Speaker 1: on the earth in twenty twenty five, God put you
Speaker 1: here because you can handle it. He knew that this
Speaker 1: was going to be a difficult time. I believe nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. You know, it was some type of accult event,
Speaker 1: something that brought in an evil era in the last
Speaker 1: twenty five years. If you look back at everything, whether
Speaker 1: it's war, famine nine to eleven itself, the economy, the
Speaker 1: digital age, COVID, the summer of twenty twenty, that they
Speaker 1: stopped hiding their evil and it's in our face now.
Speaker 1: And I think for the people who are here, while
Speaker 1: things may look bleak, if you you know, have Jesus
Speaker 1: in your heart and you accept them as your Lord
Speaker 1: and savior, there's nothing on this earth that should scare you.
Speaker 5: I agree I agree one hundred percent with that. I
Speaker 5: I've often thought that it's almost a prerequisite for the
Speaker 5: devil to have to divulge what he's doing. Now, I
Speaker 5: don't have this. I was telling somebody this here while back,
Speaker 5: and they're like, can can you tell me where it
Speaker 5: says that in the Bible? I sai, Well, it doesn't
Speaker 5: say that in the Bible. But what I'm telling you
Speaker 5: is that it just seems like, you know, obviously, obviously
Speaker 5: the devil is in control of the earth of this
Speaker 5: world right now, because that's what that's what the Bible says.
Speaker 5: And I believe that God is allowing him to do
Speaker 5: it for sure. But he says, go ahead and tell
Speaker 5: people what you're doing, and he's either making him tell it,
Speaker 5: or either the Devil's like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: tell it. And people are so dumb or so ignorant
Speaker 5: of what's going on around them. I can literally tell
Speaker 5: them what I'm doing and they still won't believe it.
Speaker 5: They will still follow me. So I'll tell them, you
Speaker 5: know that I'm killing people, and they'll say, okay, no problem.
Speaker 5: And I don't know that it's a requirement that the
Speaker 5: devil has to do that, or if he's doing it
Speaker 5: on his own, which I don't know, but I do
Speaker 5: believe that that is being done. And you know, you
Speaker 5: can go back and watch all kinds of old videos
Speaker 5: on all these Hollywood movie stars where they're admitting they
Speaker 5: worship the devil. They're admitting they have demons come and
Speaker 5: visit them and they visit them in their beds, and
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if you've seen all those videos,
Speaker 5: but it's unbelievable what these so called superstars are admitting to,
Speaker 5: you know, and a lot of the stuff they're admitting
Speaker 5: to committing crimes. But when they do it, they do
Speaker 5: it on like a late night talk show. And so
Speaker 5: then they admit to committing a heinous crime that me
Speaker 5: or you would go to prison for. And what they
Speaker 5: do is they hit the applause button, see, and so
Speaker 5: everybody laughs and claps like it's really funny. But they're
Speaker 5: telling you something this disgusting and they're getting away with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rules for thee, but not for me. The rules
Speaker 1: only apply to us.
Speaker 5: If me or you went on on a TV show
Speaker 5: and said that, you know, we're rubbing baby's blood on
Speaker 5: our face for murdered babies, nobody would.
Speaker 1: Laugh, no, and the FBI would be waiting outside for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you do it and you're Sandra Bollock and
Speaker 5: you do it on a Tonight Show or whatever it is,
Speaker 5: everybody laughs and applauds like it's a big funny joke.
Speaker 1: Yep, you know, yep. And unfortunately, I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there who don't quite understand the
Speaker 1: evil of this world.
Speaker 5: Obviously. In fact, I talked to a guy the other
Speaker 5: day about that and he said, well, you know, I
Speaker 5: got saved when I was young, and I just don't
Speaker 5: see the evil in the world, Like, I don't see
Speaker 5: how that's possible. I'm like, if you really got saved,
Speaker 5: of course, any city got saved at six years old,
Speaker 5: which is a red flag to me because I just
Speaker 5: don't believe a child six year old can understand no,
Speaker 5: but they're getting saved. So I don't believe that.
Speaker 6: Number one.
Speaker 5: That's a big red flag. And then go to say
Speaker 5: I just don't see the evil in the world. I
Speaker 5: just I'm just so sheltered. I'm like, I don't understand
Speaker 5: what you're talking about. I guess I mean the more
Speaker 5: when after I got saved, and I started praying for discernment,
Speaker 5: and I prayed to God that he would show me
Speaker 5: the truth. I mean, the stuff that I have seen
Speaker 5: now is frightening. I mean it's not getting any better,
Speaker 5: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, that leads you to believe it is that Trump
Speaker 1: and Eline are coming to save the day. And people
Speaker 1: shouldn't question the fact that someone who's considered the country's
Speaker 1: largest contract government contractor is now running things. There was
Speaker 1: a story that just came out. You would mention Dosee.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk has entertained the idea of a Doose dividend,
Speaker 1: which would give five thousand dollars checks to American taxpayers
Speaker 1: funded by government savings. That's one sentence. You could take
Speaker 1: away a thousand things from it. How are we saving
Speaker 1: money by giving every individual five thousand dollars? And the
Speaker 1: fact that Elon Musk, all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: runs part of the government when he is a government contractor,
Speaker 1: and I when I was in the military, I did contracts,
Speaker 1: and that is a huge conflict of interest that in
Speaker 1: a real world just would never be allowed to happen.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, you know, I did vote, even though I
Speaker 5: look back and think that it was. You know, I'll
Speaker 5: probably just I don't really think the vote counts. I
Speaker 5: think that these people are selected, not elected, Okay, And
Speaker 5: I don't believe that Musk is the genius that he's
Speaker 5: portrayed to be. I believe that everything, like I said,
Speaker 5: everything is fake. And if somebody believes that man is
Speaker 5: a genius, just watch his latest thing. When he was
Speaker 5: up there talking to Trump and Trump is trying, you know,
Speaker 5: tells him to explain a few things. He can barely
Speaker 5: get out a sentence. Yeah, okay, he stumbles, stutters, backs up.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like he's got a mouthful of marbles
Speaker 5: or whatever it is. But he can barely make a sentence.
Speaker 5: And so I don't, you know, I don't know. Obviously,
Speaker 5: I believe these guys are a means to an end,
Speaker 5: and I believe the Bible's correct. I believe we're getting
Speaker 5: worse and worse. I believe certain things have to happen
Speaker 5: in order for of course, I believe in the rapture.
Speaker 5: I believe, you know that seven years of tribulation, or
Speaker 5: Jacob's trouble as it's called in the King James Bible,
Speaker 5: and I believe that's coming and to get that stuff.
Speaker 5: You know, in order every there has to be certain
Speaker 5: things in place, you know, and to get In other words,
Speaker 5: according to the according to the scripture, halfway in the
Speaker 5: middle of Jacob's trouble, the Antichrist is revealed and he
Speaker 5: sets up the mark of the Beast. Well he does
Speaker 5: this from the temple. Well, we don't have a temple yet,
Speaker 5: so he's operating three and a half years into this
Speaker 5: out of a temple that we don't have built yet.
Speaker 5: So I've always told people, if you really want to
Speaker 5: get down to the timeline, if you see that temple
Speaker 5: being built, if that's in your lifetime, you better start
Speaker 5: really paying attention, because the Bible says three and a
Speaker 5: half years after that temple's built, the Antichrist is going
Speaker 5: to reveal himself and implement the mark of the Beast. Okay, well,
Speaker 5: they're talking about that temple all the time. Now, they've
Speaker 5: got the Red Heifers, they've got that ready. Trump is getting,
Speaker 5: you know, talking about taking over Gaza. We're gonna have
Speaker 5: total peace. We've got the peace coming up. I have
Speaker 5: a feeling they're going to start on that temple anytime.
Speaker 5: And when they do, I mean it's like, well, they're
Speaker 5: they're needing Trump and you know, Musk, they're just a
Speaker 5: couple of people in line to fulfill Bible prophecy is
Speaker 5: all it is. You can't change it because the Bible's
Speaker 5: already prophesied it's going to happen. So yeah, if you've
Speaker 5: got Jesus Christ and you're saved, you've got nothing to
Speaker 5: worry about. You're either going to be raptured or not.
Speaker 5: But you know, I believe you will be if you're
Speaker 5: actually truly saved. I don't believe God is going to
Speaker 5: point you to his wrath, and I believe that the
Speaker 5: seven year of Jacob's trouble is God's wrath being poured
Speaker 5: out upon the earth, and so you'll you'll get to
Speaker 5: miss that. And uh, you know, you have really have
Speaker 5: nothing to fear if you're truly saved right now. If
Speaker 5: you're not, I'm sure it's scary. You know, people don't
Speaker 5: know what's going to happen, and they don't know what's
Speaker 5: going to happen to them and all that stuff. But
Speaker 5: you know, that's that's what leaning on Christ does for you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it takes such a weight off your shoulder as
Speaker 1: it really does and you live your life in a
Speaker 1: different way and listen to to come full circle. Biblical
Speaker 1: cosmology was really did play a big part. So looking
Speaker 1: at it from my point of view, and again people
Speaker 1: will argue that it's not salvation, I can tell you
Speaker 1: from a first person point of view, how it changed
Speaker 1: my life, how it took the fear out of my life,
Speaker 1: how it taught me to really read and study the Bible.
Speaker 1: So listen, Kenny, this has been just a great conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy and thankful that you came on the podcast.
Speaker 1: And as always, I like to give my guests the
Speaker 1: final word. Anything you'd like to say to the audience,
Speaker 1: Remind them where they can find you, whatever you'd like
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 5: Okay, well I appreciate that. Well again, my name is
Speaker 5: Kenny Williamson. I have a website. It's flatbro dot com.
Speaker 5: You can also go to Kenny Williamson dot com. And
Speaker 5: it's my ministry called truth Seekers Ministry. That's what I'm
Speaker 5: about is truth. And I named my podcast mckill's Deeck
Speaker 5: Chronicles and a lot of people call it conspiracy theories,
Speaker 5: but I call it just the truth, you know, reading
Speaker 5: between the lines. I encourage that people go out and
Speaker 5: actually read their Bible. I encourage it to be a
Speaker 5: King James Bible. And I think if you were to
Speaker 5: take stuff like out out of my book and compare
Speaker 5: it scripturally, you can see that I believe that the
Speaker 5: Bible's one hundred percent correct. It's an accurate book. It's
Speaker 5: not a science book, but everything that it mentions about
Speaker 5: science is true. And science won't save you, obviously, you
Speaker 5: only need Jesus Christ and to believe in Jesus Christ
Speaker 5: and rely on him and what he did on the cross,
Speaker 5: that's the ultimate thing. But once you figure that out,
Speaker 5: then I would pray for discernment, pray for truth, and
Speaker 5: it's gonna be really hard for the government to come
Speaker 5: in and fool you. So the next time something like
Speaker 5: nine to eleven happens, you're gonna be able to see
Speaker 5: right through it. You know, the next time some other big,
Speaker 5: you know, pandemic happens, you're gonna be able to have
Speaker 5: enough discernment to know whether or not you need to
Speaker 5: believe in anything they tell you. So that's what I
Speaker 5: would do. I would just make sure you're saved to obviously,
Speaker 5: seek Jesus Christ first and then yeah, if you have
Speaker 5: any questions or comments, go to my website. You can
Speaker 5: check me out or email me. I think you said
Speaker 5: you're gonna include all those links at the bottom, so
Speaker 5: I'm easy to get in touch with. If you'd want
Speaker 5: to talk or be on the show, or want me
Speaker 5: to be on your show, just just look me up.
Speaker 5: I'm always available.
Speaker 1: Well done, and again, thank you so much for your
Speaker 1: time and just you know you have an incredible grasp
Speaker 1: of everything. Congratulations on your three books. Make sure you
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Speaker 6: I know it's been struggle. I don't know you've had spain.
Speaker 6: I do not feeling tied hell down all the way. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I know you feeling you smile ain't the same I
Speaker 6: saw were go from. You feel like you've lost your way.
Speaker 2: Don't give up, no, don't don't get it and neverless hold,
Speaker 2: don't let call the primise. It ain't done yet.
Speaker 6: He's got a plan.
Speaker 3: Why it's a way got up?
Speaker 6: May come?
Speaker 2: Why a fright got up record?
Speaker 6: I can see the street beside you. Child's are putting
Speaker 6: up five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing you are. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: You're accepting a bad found beautiful you're shoving ride.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're live and breathing. Move you can hold your
Speaker 6: head a pie.
Speaker 3: Don't give up, No, don't give in, never loos home.
Speaker 6: Don't they call on the primies.
Speaker 4: It ain't donet's got up clay, Why some raintail the
Speaker 4: god of Mabe come, don't give up, No, don't give in.
Speaker 2: You never lose home.
Speaker 3: Don't let go on the primies. It ain't golife.
Speaker 6: It's worth live men.
Speaker 3: What's a waytail?
Speaker 2: The god of baby court? Why surprase now, god steaming cold?
Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 2: you got steamy cost.
Speaker 6: Don't give up, No, don't give in, never lose home, don't.
Speaker 3: Let go of the primise. I mean and done, Yes,
Speaker 3: God a plan, Watch, God of in cos and don't.
Speaker 6: Give up, no dog giving, but never the hole, don't
Speaker 6: let go of the primes. Get ain't done.
Speaker 3: Lover's worth living, Watch and die the God of any chorus, Oh,
Speaker 3: the God of needs, Watch.
Speaker 6: Down, the God of a coach.
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Speaker 3: Mhm