WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:29.760 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.880 The question why. 4 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:40.359 The stories told and left behind in shadows? 5 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:42.439 Where the truth we find? 6 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:51.039 They built their tails on grafts and lives on theories 7 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:54.039 they stake their designed. 8 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:59.880 Put down here on this solid ground. 9 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.520 Welcome back truth Zeebos from around the world. There, it's 10 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.200 time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. 11 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.640 I'm your host is always George Hobbs from a snowy Doover, Delaware. 12 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:16.040 I hope everybody is doing well. We're actually recording on Wednesday, 13 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:19.000 February the nineteenth, twenty twenty five. This episode will be 14 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.879 dropping this coming Sunday. Again. I hope everybody is well. 15 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.879 We have a great guest standing standing by just two alibis. 16 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.760 If you would don't forget to stop by the website. 17 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.959 It is theflat Earthfiles dot com. You can find all 18 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:38.200 the episodic information, show notes, there's a chat room, a forum, 19 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.400 much to do there again, it is the flat Earthfiles 20 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.319 dot com And if you would like to join us 21 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.640 like Kenny is today, please do reach out to us 22 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:53.079 via email. It is f filesguest at gmail dot com. 23 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.680 Once again that is fe files guest at gmail dot com. 24 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:00.760 And without any further ado, let's bring on our guest. 25 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:05.400 His name is Kenny. He hosts the podcast The Melkezidic 26 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:09.800 Files or Chronicles bar me the Melkezidic Chronicles. He has 27 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.280 a website, two of them. Actually it's flat fro Wow, 28 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:19.759 I'm struggling today. It's flatbro dot com and Truthseekersministry dot org. 29 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.240 And by the way, don't worry about trying to write 30 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:26.479 these down. As always, I put all this information in 31 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:30.400 the show notes so you can find Kenny without any trouble. Kenny, 32 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.240 thank you so much for joining us today. So I 33 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:33.159 really appreciate it. 34 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.759 Yeah, no problem. It is good to be here, good 35 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:37.439 to be on your show. 36 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.080 Well, I appreciate it. And if you would just take 37 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:43.840 a few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience and 38 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:48.879 kind of what made you decide to get into this, 39 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:52.840 you know, podcasting, slash website and sharing your information with 40 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:53.439 the masses. 41 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:58.039 Well, like you said, my name is Kenny Williamson and 42 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.199 I do have my own podcast and it's called mckill's 43 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:05.759 deck Chronicles. It's available on all podcasts, you know platforms. 44 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:07.759 I have a website. 45 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:12.479 It's flatbro dot com and the Truthseekers Ministry dot com 46 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:15.759 or dot org on my mistake, or you can go 47 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:21.360 to Kenny Williamson dot com. Uh but uh yes. I 48 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.840 decided to do these websites several years ago, or the 49 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:29.639 first one, just because I am I'm a Christian, and 50 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.520 I wanted to do something to try to get you know, 51 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.639 the truth out there regarding you know, the Bible, God's 52 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.479 Word all that kind of stuff, and I really didn't 53 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.080 have any any way to do that without doing something 54 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.599 like a podcast. So that's that's where I got started 55 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:51.159 on that. And since that time, I've I've written a 56 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:54.319 couple of books, three books to be exact, about some demons, 57 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.879 and they're available, of course you can they're on Amazon, 58 00:03:57.960 --> 00:03:59.080 but you can get to them on any. 59 00:03:58.960 --> 00:03:59.759 Of those websites. 60 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:02.759 And the latest book that I came out with is 61 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:07.439 called The Flat Earth Bible, and it's been last year. 62 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:10.199 I really got into the Flat Earth and realized that 63 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:15.800 it was biblical, and so I have a book out 64 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:16.480 about it as well. 65 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.240 That's awesome. I just pulled it up on Amazon. The 66 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:26.279 Flat Earth Bible, a detailed explanation of Biblical flatterarth and 67 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.920 I'll tell you, brother, it is good to see more 68 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.920 people putting out this type of information in print. I've 69 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:37.079 said many times on both podcasts that now it's probably 70 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:41.040 more than more important than ever to make sure you 71 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.560 get print, because I do believe there is going to 72 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:49.120 be like this digital Fahrenheit four point fifty one type 73 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:52.439 of event. One only has to look at say Bill 74 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.800 Cooper's Behold a Pale Horse, and they removed an entire 75 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:59.800 chapter that went against the agenda. So I will put 76 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.279 those links to your books in the show notes as well. 77 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:06.639 Please do support Kenny and add them to your library. 78 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.879 And we talked a little bit Kenny before we hit 79 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.920 the record button about how this conversation you can call 80 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.360 it flat earth, you can call it biblical cosmology, how 81 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:25.040 it is still a stigma even within the Christian community, 82 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.360 you know, with our pastors, you know, our fellow fellow congregationists, 83 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:34.639 where even when you and I and others can see 84 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.720 the biblical truth and biblical cosmology, merely pointing them out 85 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:44.560 can almost borderline ostracize you from the church. Yes, yes, 86 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:45.279 I agree with that. 87 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.040 In fact, it's funny because I have a friend who's 88 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:51.399 a pastor, and I did not know this, but come 89 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.920 to find out he does believe in biblical cosmology or 90 00:05:55.079 --> 00:06:00.360 flat earth. And you know, he he he said that 91 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.480 he can't really mention that at his church because he's 92 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.959 done it in the past. And he said that some 93 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:10.519 of the congregation, he said, it's almost like they became 94 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.959 demon possessed and they fled out of the building, okay, 95 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:20.439 to never return at the mere mention of flat earth. 96 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.639 And I can't understand that because I would think that 97 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.839 a Christian person who has an open mind and who 98 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.399 wants to learn the truth would at least to do 99 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:35.240 some investigation. But you know, so he can't mention it 100 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:42.040 in his church for fear of losing church members. And 101 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.319 now that's one of the differences in my thing that 102 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:48.120 I'm doing is I do everything online and everything is free. 103 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.920 I don't charge anybody anything for anything, and so I 104 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.800 have nothing to lose, so I don't have to worry 105 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.920 about people paying me money to support a church building. 106 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:04.000 And then I can't tell you the truth or what 107 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:07.240 I think is the truth, without you know, losing all 108 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.639 these people. So I just I've never understood that. But 109 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.680 that is a reality of the fact, is if you 110 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:18.040 mention anything that's you know, not what the news or 111 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.040 Hollywood has taught people in propaganda over all these years. 112 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.319 Some people just absolutely lose their minds. 113 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:30.759 And they just go crazy, they do. And this type 114 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:35.120 of defense mechanism that has been installed by the ruling 115 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:39.199 elite via television, Hollywood and our education, you know, the 116 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:44.199 Rockefeller education system, is really the reason for that defense 117 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.639 mechanism that really keeps them from you know, searching for 118 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.959 the truth. And you know, as we talk about searching 119 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.879 for the truth, I guess, how did your journey go 120 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:59.120 about what led you to look into flat Earth? Because 121 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.800 for me, and I've told this to folks many times, 122 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:06.079 if flat Earth would have been my first rabbit hole, 123 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.560 per se, I would have never I would have just 124 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:11.720 to shoot it and walked away. But for me, it 125 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.519 was all the other rabbit holes and realizing, well, you 126 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:18.279 know everything, almost everything is a lie. So I think 127 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.439 that was the reason I was able to take the 128 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.560 time to look into it. I think, like many, I 129 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:25.839 went there to just disprove it so I could move 130 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.399 on with my day, and two weeks later I was 131 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:32.200 completely turned upside down. How was your journey and you know, 132 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.000 coming upon flat Earth? How was that for you and 133 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:36.240 how did it change your life? 134 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:40.240 Well, I have to give credit to the person who 135 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:43.679 turned me on to it, and his name is Johnny Allen, 136 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.240 and he actually is a website designer. He's actually the 137 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.879 one who built my websites and his link is at 138 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:51.879 the bottom of him. If you ever won a website, 139 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.759 you know, developed yourself. But I was talking to him 140 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.759 about the other website, the first one, which is just 141 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:02.639 a ministry type website. And I don't know how we 142 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:04.559 got on the subject, but We've had several hours of 143 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:06.720 conversations on the phone to get this stuff done, and 144 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:11.960 he mentioned flat Earth, and I, like many others, immediately 145 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:15.279 just discounted it in my mind. I said, Nope, absolutely not. 146 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:17.480 And he's like, well, you know, he he made some 147 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:19.600 more statements about it, and he asked I asked, I said, 148 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.480 do you believe in flat Earth? He's like yeah, and 149 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:26.039 I just I was like, absolutely not. Now, I do 150 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.480 have a pilot's license, a commercial pilot's license, and I 151 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.240 have a I have an h State HVAC license, so 152 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.919 I'm very familiar with obviously flight, and I'm very familiar 153 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:40.240 with pressures and all kinds of stuff. And I never 154 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:44.399 even considered that what I was being told was a lie. Now, 155 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.639 I never believed in the moon landing. I never believed 156 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:47.000 in any of that. 157 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:47.399 I thought. 158 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.679 I think I figured they were just using that to 159 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.240 make money. You know, I never dreamt that possibly there 160 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.120 was a possibility they couldn't even get to the moon 161 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:00.320 because of a firmament. Okay, so when he away, so 162 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.559 this guy introduced me to it, I completely discounted it. 163 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.519 But then something just started kind of eating on me 164 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.039 about it. It just started it wouldn't leave my head. 165 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.799 So I started doing some research and found a website 166 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:16.000 Flat Earth Dave, and I started watching his videos and 167 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.879 I literally binge watched those videos for a couple of 168 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.840 weeks straight. And by the time I got down with 169 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:30.200 those videos and realized they were true, Yeah, I was 170 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:32.840 a flat Earther. And then I went back and started 171 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:35.759 looking at the Biblical proofs and realized it was in 172 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.600 the Bible the whole time. It's just I had never 173 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.559 really paid attention to it, and you know, which is 174 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.840 just ignorance on my part. Really, that's similar to mine. 175 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:53.679 And when I finally realized biblical cosmology and the lie 176 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:57.519 of heliocentrism, the one thing that I always take away 177 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.679 from it is it taught me how to read the Bible, 178 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.840 how to if there is a word that you don't understand, 179 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.720 that it's not familiar, research the word, use Strong's concordance, 180 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:12.600 and you know that, you know, I've been reading the 181 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.440 Bible for fifty years and then you know, six years 182 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:19.240 ago I came upon this, Like I've read Genesis one 183 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.639 hundred times, I never once stopped to investigate the word firmament, 184 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.639 and you know, you just kind of read and go 185 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.360 through it, and I think your brain just kind of 186 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:29.360 goes back to what you were taught in Sunday's School, 187 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:32.279 Noah's flood, this and that, and then you know, for 188 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:36.480 twelve thirteen years, it's instituted into your mind that you know, 189 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:40.799 these are myths, and you know you can't take everything seriously. 190 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.240 But when you realize that, you know, this is one 191 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.799 of you know, the top five greatest lides of all time. 192 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.840 It really taught me how to read the Bible. Yeah, 193 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:50.279 I agree. 194 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.360 I I actually have followed a pastor that you know, 195 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.960 he's a creationist, and he had mentioned the firmament many times, 196 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:02.240 and he's you know, he teaches that the firmament actually 197 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:07.320 fell down in the flood, and I just was like, okay, 198 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.320 it probably did. I never really thought about it, because 199 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.240 I believe the Earth was a globe, and so I thought, well, 200 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:14.559 maybe there was a firmament and it just fell down. 201 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:16.480 And now it's the north and South pole. You know, 202 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.440 that's what he taught. And then when I went back 203 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.720 and reread it, I'm like, wait a second, there's water 204 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.519 above the firmament. Okay, so we can't just have it 205 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:32.279 fall down without flooding. Okay, it just doesn't make any sense. 206 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.159 I mean, the Bible, there's so many there's so many 207 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:38.600 passages in the Bible that basically teaches flat Earth. And 208 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:41.919 of course I've been through seminary and they just and 209 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:44.200 you know, I understand they're not trying to teach you 210 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:47.720 anything science there, and I understand that, but they do 211 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.200 just skim over it. And so anything that can't you know, 212 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.080 kind of can't really be explained, they just put the 213 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.360 NASA globe theory on it, no matter how ridiculous it is. 214 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.320 And you know, they just teach it that way. I 215 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.480 guess they don't know anything any different, I guess. 216 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.279 Yeah, And that's a great point. But I think it's 217 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:13.600 still like many people, it's it's a bit frustrating that 218 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.639 you can't even have just a friendly conversation like this 219 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.279 is something maybe we're not going to discuss Sunday at church. 220 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:22.000 But I think, like Wednesday night Bible study, and if 221 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.440 you're breaking out Genesis chapter one, why can't we have 222 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.440 this conversation if it aligns with God's word? Right? 223 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:32.120 I mean, why can't we bring out Genesis and say 224 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:33.960 pull out a you know, pull out a chalkboard or 225 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.919 a whiteboard and draw it as it's being described, and 226 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.960 then say, now look at this picture and tell me 227 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.120 where outer space is, you know, tell me where this 228 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:48.120 vacuum is. I mean it says that these the sun 229 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.759 and the moon and these stars are in the firmament, okay, 230 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:57.840 and this firmament is separating water from the earth. Okay, 231 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.960 So let's draw it out the Bible describes it, and 232 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:06.799 then explain, you know, like everything rotates around the North Star, 233 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.600 and you know, the stars are the same, They've been 234 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.879 the same since the beginning of any type of recorded history. 235 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:19.120 And if we were really you know, spinning at one 236 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:22.440 thousand miles an hour in a circle sixty six thousand, 237 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.360 six hundred miles an hour around the Sun and the 238 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.000 sun and this whole deal is corkscrewing through outer space 239 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:31.960 at like half a million miles an hour. How is 240 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:33.720 it that every night you can look up and see 241 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:40.200 the same stars. Everything's the same, nothing's changed. It's impossible. 242 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.039 But people don't. People don't even consider that. 243 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:44.200 No. 244 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.679 And I wonder if because I think it was two 245 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.159 years ago when the Georgia guidestones were you know, quote 246 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.960 unquote blown up. That was a strong point of contention 247 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:59.799 amongst uh, you know, flat earthers, biblical cosmologists, where you 248 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:02.039 know that there was a hole there and every single night, 249 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:04.480 three hundred and sixty five days a year, you could 250 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.440 peek through that little hole and the North Star was 251 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.840 right there. And I think people, you know, a lot 252 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.799 of these things happened. It was post COVID and people 253 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.240 were starting to, you know, say, a lot of these 254 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:17.080 things that were told on the news doesn't make a 255 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:20.799 lot of sense. And it was really twenty twenty and 256 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:26.080 beyond when flat Earth really took off and became mainstream, 257 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.720 and there were some things that they did. Obviously, the 258 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:36.240 Georgia guidestones getting rid of them, Professor Dave entered the chat. 259 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.799 Anytime you go to YouTube and put anything flat Earth, 260 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.200 he is always I would say ninety five percentile. He 261 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.759 is the first video that comes up. That's why I 262 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.600 tell people when you go to YouTube and you put 263 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.840 something in like flat earth or biblical cosmology, upload by 264 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.919 search by upload date, because you're going to get fed 265 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:55.519 all of the nonsense, right, you know, this is an 266 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:59.879 archaic you know, type think and all the other non 267 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.279 sense that the Nail Deagrass Tyson's professor Daves, you know, 268 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.799 insert scientologist here that is going to try to and 269 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.799 especially it's a very critical point, right when somebody comes 270 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.840 to the truth, whether it's nine to eleven or flat Earth, 271 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.440 right when they come upon the information, it's almost like 272 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.039 everything else, right, you have a certain amount of time. 273 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.039 You know, if you know a police report, you know 274 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:28.360 they say X amount of hours to get it done 275 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:32.799 before the chances of solving the case, you know, really minimizes. 276 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:34.480 And I think that's a lot to do with this 277 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.440 as well. You know, somebody comes across flat Earth and 278 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.559 they oh, I didn't know, Joe thought the Earth was flat, 279 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:43.000 and maybe they research it for a few minutes when 280 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:44.600 they get home from work. Well, if they come upon 281 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:48.919 professor where they go to Google unfortunately to try to 282 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.080 search for that information, the disinformation agents are going to 283 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:54.120 put that doubt in their mind and they're going to 284 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.120 go back into their hole, right. 285 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.759 I think I think that's a really good argument for 286 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:05.039 like you were saying early earlier, having books in print, 287 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.759 you know, I think it's the same thing on on 288 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.160 these things here. You know, like this podcast, for example, 289 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:14.000 this is going to be uploaded, it's going to be 290 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.559 on the web, but you know, if somebody wants to 291 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.680 get rid of it, they'll just erase the whole server 292 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:24.240 and it's gone forever, you know. So I've even considered 293 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.400 backing up all of my stuff and labeling all my 294 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:32.519 podcasts as an MP three and recording those MP three's 295 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:35.440 onto a disc or you know, or a flash drive, 296 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:39.920 and having those available to people for in the future. 297 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.680 Same as a book. You know, it's like, hey, here, 298 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.039 you can buy this book and you can have it now. 299 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.960 They're going to scrub the internet possibly, you know, and 300 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.079 you'll never be able to find this information again. But 301 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:51.839 if you have it in a hard print, you've got 302 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.440 it and you can give it to somebody else the 303 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.480 same as same as these recordings. You know, hey, here's 304 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:01.799 a disc or a flash drive with the data on 305 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:06.680 it in case it's scrubbed off the Internet. So I'm 306 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:07.559 a firm believer in. 307 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.839 That if you were able to walk into a church, 308 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.599 and by the way, your book, The Flat Earth Bible, 309 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.000 a detailed explanation of Biblical flat Earth, was just published 310 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.480 on paperback what four months ago, So number one, congratulations 311 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.720 on that for your time and effort. If you were 312 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:28.279 to point out, let's just say three to four verses 313 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:32.240 that are the most important to you as laying it 314 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:36.920 out to someone in the church community, whether formal or informal, 315 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:42.000 what are the most important verses to you telling flat Earth? 316 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.119 I should say Biblical cosmology. 317 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:47.519 Detailing flat Earth, well, one of the ones. 318 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:47.920 I really like. 319 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.519 Of course, obviously, if you start off in Genesis, you've 320 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:57.000 got where it initially talks about the firmament, okay, So 321 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.319 what I like to do is pinpoint out. 322 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:00.359 The fact that you have. 323 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.559 Versus in the very first page of the Bible that 324 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:08.079 talks about the firmament and how the Earth was made. Okay, 325 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:10.440 And then if you happen to listen to the wrong 326 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:14.039 person on YouTube, they will tell you that that has 327 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:16.880 been destroyed in the flood. But then you can come 328 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:21.200 on up into I guess it's Psalms, and I know 329 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:24.279 Psalm nineteen is one of them where King David has 330 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:28.599 actually talked about the firmament and how it shows God's handiwork. 331 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:31.640 And there's another one and it slips my mind. It's 332 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.039 in Psalms. It's another one that talks about the firmament, 333 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:38.839 you know, in Psalms that King David wrote. And you 334 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:42.079 know this is this is happening four to six hundred 335 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:47.279 years after the flood, So we have a person in 336 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:52.960 the Bible who is mentioning the firmament and talking about it, 337 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.440 you know, four to six hundred years after some people 338 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.440 claim that it was destroyed. That yet it's still brought 339 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.559 up again. And it's brought up of course, like the 340 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:04.079 one that's on the top of my tongue is or 341 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:06.799 tip of my tongue is Psalm nineteen where it says, 342 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.640 you know, God's handiwork show within the firmament. You know, 343 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:16.039 the firmament shows God's handiwork. And so you know, that's 344 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:18.799 one of the important ones to me because it disproves 345 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:24.119 that this firmament fell down during the flood. It's just 346 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:27.200 it's right off the bat proof because it's mentioned again, 347 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:32.240 and it's mentioned twice. So that's pretty important to me. 348 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:35.240 As far as one of the verses, you know. 349 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:37.480 That that's a good one, and I wanted to ask you, 350 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.000 of course, you know, I'm sure you're fully well aware 351 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:44.759 of that. Bible verses on Warner von Brown's headstone. 352 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:46.680 Yeah, same one, Psalm nineteen. 353 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:50.960 Yep. Do you think that was mockery or disclosure? 354 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.519 I think it was disclosure because if if what they 355 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:59.799 say is true. You know, he had a confidant to 356 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.559 lady who was I guess his secretary or something, and 357 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:08.000 he supposedly confided in her in his last days that 358 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.440 everything that he was doing was a lie, and he said, 359 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:13.720 they're doing this, of course, you know, to gain control 360 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.720 over you. And he proceeded to tell her that the 361 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:22.240 final thing is going to be aliens, and they're going 362 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:24.880 to claim that they're having to do this to protect 363 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:26.480 us from aliens, and it's all going to be in 364 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:29.640 outer space. And you know, he told this lady this 365 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:34.200 way before we had any elon Musk's way, before we 366 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.440 had any of that kind of technology, and it just 367 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:38.400 so happens. 368 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:38.720 You know. 369 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.359 Now here we are in twenty twenty five, late twenty 370 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:46.079 twenty two four, you know, we've got things showing up, 371 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.599 you know, drones showing up, and people are claiming that 372 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.519 they're aliens. And now anywhere you look online they're claiming 373 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:55.720 more alien craft have be cited, you know, UFOs here, 374 00:21:55.960 --> 00:22:01.000 UAPs here. So yeah, I think it's just closure. I 375 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:03.680 think he knew, good and well everything he was doing 376 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.240 was fake. 377 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:04.880 It's a lie. 378 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:07.519 And of course he had no he had no choice 379 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:09.559 but to be part of it or probably be executed, 380 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:13.599 you know, for being a Nazi. Absolutely and so and 381 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:15.640 kind of on the last deal, he didn't spell the 382 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:18.119 whole verse out, but he just put on there Psalm nineteen. 383 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:20.599 You know that way if somebody's like, huh, this guy 384 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.119 didn't even claim to be a Christian, so let's go 385 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.240 look up Psalm nineteen. Oh, well, he's talking about the firmament. 386 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:27.319 Imagine that. 387 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:28.880 Now. 388 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:31.440 If that verse is true, which I believe it to 389 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.680 be true, man can't get past that firmament to get 390 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:39.319 in any type of vacuum of outer space. So I 391 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:41.759 think it's disclosure. I think it's a very subtle way 392 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.440 to say, hey, I'm dead now and you can't kill me. 393 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:47.880 So you know here it is. 394 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:54.799 It's fake. Absolutely. I also wanted your opinion. Do you 395 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:58.559 think it's possible? And obviously this is just you know, 396 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.200 we're we're having some con conjecture. Do you think the 397 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.960 Milky Way could possibly be the crack in the firmament 398 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.000 where the waters came through. You know, there's a lot 399 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.200 of people who think that that was, you know, the 400 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:12.119 scar or where the you know, the waters came through. 401 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:15.880