Speaker 1: Yet I asked him, it's not an alien force already.
Speaker 2: Among.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Got to go and plan
Speaker 1: for you tonight. We're going to get into some fun subjects,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of alchemy, maybe some Nazi stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll see where it goes. Joining me is the host
Speaker 1: of the Christian Theological Dark Web, Ricky. Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2: Man, Absolutely, Tim, dude, what a pleasure. I've caught some
Speaker 2: of your stuff before. Man, really great content. Shelley is
Speaker 2: my co host, and she was like, dud, just go
Speaker 2: do the show. You're interested in alchemy, go do it,
Speaker 2: all right, I'll do it. So this is kind of
Speaker 2: my first play solo mission.
Speaker 1: She could have come on too. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about that. I know, I thought maybe she would. But
Speaker 1: you know, either way, either way, we're gonna with it.
Speaker 1: It's all good. We'll have you back on at some point.
Speaker 1: And then we get to both the interview. Bro, there
Speaker 1: we go. But I'm sorry, finish your thought.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you're fine, You're fine it So anyway,
Speaker 2: we we ended up. Oh, I don't remember where I
Speaker 2: was even going with this. What we were just saying was.
Speaker 1: Just something about a podcast I put out perhaps.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, and Shelley actually my co host was
Speaker 2: the one that recommended, uh, the one about it had
Speaker 2: to do with like blood sacrifices or the power of
Speaker 2: blood or something like that.
Speaker 1: Can't remember who this was. Probably Ed Maybrey, That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's who it was.
Speaker 2: It was a great, great podcast, really interesting information, really
Speaker 2: really good vibe too.
Speaker 1: Man, Thank you, thank you. Really really cool. I thought,
Speaker 1: for some reason, I thought you were going to talk
Speaker 1: about this Secrets of Gold episode I put out a
Speaker 1: long time ago. Oh okay, And it was because it's
Speaker 1: an alchemical kind of a thing. It's like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like one of my first alchemy shows I ever
Speaker 1: did was on Just Through the Age is how the
Speaker 1: role of Gold in the Esoteric arts? Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: mean we barely even scratched the surface, you know, knowing
Speaker 1: some of the stuff I know now and some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that's in this book that we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about. I mean, but like, ask me that question
Speaker 1: again about the You asked me something before the show,
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's just let's just start the show.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was talking about that. There was a promo
Speaker 2: that you had I saw on on Instagram. The other day,
Speaker 2: and it was some Nazis' face and I had a
Speaker 2: red stone beside it, and I was like, Philosopher's stone, Nazis,
Speaker 2: is he already doing this?
Speaker 1: And I just wasn't aware. Was are we talking about
Speaker 1: the same thing? No, I wasn't already doing it. However,
Speaker 1: I went on the Biblical Hitman talk, oh right, and
Speaker 1: was talking about occult Nazism in the esoteric arts and
Speaker 1: all that, et cetera. Right, they somehow alchemy came up. No,
Speaker 1: the Philosopher's Stone specifically came up. So and it's crazy
Speaker 1: because I wasn't ready for that question, but I did
Speaker 1: my best on there to like answer that on the fly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the fly. And it's crazy because since that show, well,
Speaker 1: basically on that show, the answer I gave was me
Speaker 1: pulling from like the library in my mind, like stuff
Speaker 1: I've read in al chemical texts. I was like on
Speaker 1: the show trying to remember, like, Okay, what are some
Speaker 1: of the highlights of this that I know I've read
Speaker 1: from books from like the fifteen, sixteen, seventeen hundreds. So
Speaker 1: I like try to give him that answer. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because since then I knew you and I were
Speaker 1: going to do this show. So I got to reading
Speaker 1: in this book we're gonna talk about today. It's The
Speaker 1: Philosopher's Stone by Joseph Ferrell, and I've got a page
Speaker 1: in here and I'll get to it because it's in
Speaker 1: my notes and i'll get to it later. But basically,
Speaker 1: his sort of description of the Philosopher's Stone from the
Speaker 1: text he's pulling from matched closely the answer I gave
Speaker 1: on Man I was like, yes, I did get it.
Speaker 1: I did get it right, because the Philosopher's Stone is tricky.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of different things with different people, right, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: Is actually a lot of different things, you know, in
Speaker 2: particular it you know, we use the word stone and
Speaker 2: that that's a misnomer, as you probably well know. And
Speaker 2: if your audience has followed for any time, you know anything,
Speaker 2: you've talked about alchemy.
Speaker 1: Alchemy is so.
Speaker 2: Tricky with with verbiage. It's so tricky with esoteric and exoteric. Right, So,
Speaker 2: like people can understand the basic concept of what the
Speaker 2: Philosopher's Stone is and does, but like how it's confection,
Speaker 2: how it's you know, brought about, what it draws on,
Speaker 2: what it really implies, you know, to have it, use it,
Speaker 2: desire it, all those things, right, Like it's very it's
Speaker 2: it's a very tricky subject. So you know, I applaud you, dude.
Speaker 2: That's it's tough. It is tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know it's and this is the point
Speaker 1: that I tried to get across on that show. Depends
Speaker 1: on who you read, right, depends on because there's I mean,
Speaker 1: I think who was it when I was when I
Speaker 1: looked into Nicholas Flamel he I found out that there
Speaker 1: was three different types of Philosopher's stone that you sort
Speaker 1: of see throughout history, and I don't remember one is
Speaker 1: a red stone, like like in that promo for that
Speaker 1: episode they showed that red stone so much, that famous red.
Speaker 2: Stone, which is kind of the typical thing that everybody
Speaker 2: thinks of, right when you think Harry Potter, and.
Speaker 1: You're like, it's a red stone, of course, right, right,
Speaker 1: But then there's other colors, and there's three other stones
Speaker 1: that you know, sort of pop up, so or two
Speaker 1: I would rather that pop up in addition to that one.
Speaker 1: So and it it's it's quite an enigma because it's
Speaker 1: not always a stone. Sometimes it's a powder, yep. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's a tincture or a literature. Yep, right exactly. So
Speaker 1: we'll get into some of that today. Man. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to that's that's you know, that's the philosopher's stone, man,
Speaker 1: the enigma that it is. We'll chip away at it today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, man. Well take it away, brother, this is
Speaker 2: this is your.
Speaker 1: Your show man, bring it home.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: What do you think to do it? Man? When you're
Speaker 1: talking about this author who we're talking about today, doctor
Speaker 1: Joseph P. Farrell. This is someone who does epic breakdowns. Yes,
Speaker 1: I heard him recently, uh, talking about the concept of
Speaker 1: creating something out of nothing and it gets this gets
Speaker 1: into Genesis right in the box. Sure. Uh. And it
Speaker 1: takes a mind like Pharaoh though, to lay that kind
Speaker 1: of a thing out in a very precise way. So
Speaker 1: he's he's talking about how you see this cross mythologies,
Speaker 1: this this something out of nothing like it's in the
Speaker 1: Kalavalla I've found. I don't know if he brought that up,
Speaker 1: but I do see it in that myth and I
Speaker 1: know Tolkien wrote about it too, because Tolkien put out
Speaker 1: that semarilliant book which is like the origin story to
Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings universe. Tolkien is drawing heavily
Speaker 1: from the Kalabalah folk or Finish folklore in that in
Speaker 1: that so what he's had, what he shows in there
Speaker 1: is that this sort of like an angelic race pre
Speaker 1: exists the earth, pre exists mankind. They sing things into existence.
Speaker 1: They use vibration frequency to sing things into existence. And
Speaker 1: there's if you go real deep into the esoteric aspects
Speaker 1: of Genesis and how God created or spoke in the beginning,
Speaker 1: was the word, and the word was God. It is
Speaker 1: a similar kind of a concept.
Speaker 2: Perhaps well, and and that's man, that's one of the
Speaker 2: coolest things about this, right, like to me as I
Speaker 2: started reading this, and as I went back and took
Speaker 2: notes on this, because I you know, I left my
Speaker 2: little my little notes, and I left my little things
Speaker 2: like here and there in the books I could come
Speaker 2: back and revisit.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at my.
Speaker 2: Book, for God's sake, it's all. It's all like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought mine was in h was a beat
Speaker 1: up condition and not mine. It was new. Bro. Mine
Speaker 1: was brand new. And it's like totally that's how it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be. Bro. That's right.
Speaker 2: And Uh, one thing that I've really when I was
Speaker 2: rereading this and I had this concept in my head
Speaker 2: right like it's It's very fascinating because when you read
Speaker 2: a book like this with so much content and then
Speaker 2: you reread it, you're like, oh, yes, okay, I'm solidifying
Speaker 2: this idea that I already had, and now this makes
Speaker 2: it a little bit clearer. And one of the coolest
Speaker 2: things about this is that it it And I'll even
Speaker 2: mention I pulled for my notes here in a second,
Speaker 2: but it essentially mentions that alchemy was one of three
Speaker 2: essential what we call them, kind of cornerstones in the
Speaker 2: fabric of the universe or the fabric of the understanding
Speaker 2: of the universe and the way that everything worked together. Right,
Speaker 2: So you had essentially let me pull it up real
Speaker 2: quick here before before I mess it up on my own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to add to that while you pull
Speaker 1: it up. It because Farrell says something else recently that
Speaker 1: I heard that I heard that stuck with me, and
Speaker 1: he was talking about free energy essentially, and I think
Speaker 1: this is going to play off of what you're talking
Speaker 1: about right now. If Farrell said, you know, something along
Speaker 1: the lines of I'm paraphrasing there really is no such
Speaker 1: thing as free energy, because he's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: why they call it that, because they're getting it from somewhere.
Speaker 1: I think. I think that's the ticket here. I get
Speaker 1: why it's called free energy because it's it's in nature,
Speaker 1: it's free. I get it. But he's saying, no, you're
Speaker 1: essentially borrowing it or taking it from somewhere. I think
Speaker 1: that's the ticket. The ticket being we have forces all
Speaker 1: around us all the time. It's just a matter of
Speaker 1: tapping into them, knowing how to utilize them. That's the
Speaker 1: key to the conversation we're going to have today because
Speaker 1: for me, that's a big part of alchemy in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is tapping it into the natural, like atmospheric forces, whether
Speaker 1: it be a force filled a rock or a herb. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, And you made a really important point there when
Speaker 2: you said that he makes a distinction between free energy
Speaker 2: and it being drawn from somebody, right, because there's there's
Speaker 2: a linguistic misnomer there when you say that it's free energy,
Speaker 2: because that implies that it's not coming from anything or anyone.
Speaker 2: Is a better way to say it, right, like that
Speaker 2: there's no actual source that it's coming from that, it's
Speaker 2: just kind of a absent process, you know, just kind
Speaker 2: of happening. And if anything, you know, good God man,
Speaker 2: I mean I can't I can't imagine anybody even with
Speaker 2: an exoteric like the most basic understanding of alchemy, you
Speaker 2: have to know that there's some spiritual component, you know, automatically,
Speaker 2: like I mean, it's like encrusted into the very concept
Speaker 2: of alchemy itself. Right, Alchemy is a spiritual undertaking by nature. Right,
Speaker 2: You're you're literally like enacting more of a ritual than
Speaker 2: you are an actual chemical formula, although the chemical formula
Speaker 2: helps you get to that purpose, right, Like, that's really
Speaker 2: what it is. And I think that that pulls right
Speaker 2: back from what you were just saying, Tim, which is
Speaker 2: that free energy is not really free, like it actually
Speaker 2: does come from someone now who you think that someone is.
Speaker 1: Right or something different? Right? Something? Sure? Sure, though, I'm
Speaker 1: with you, like, uh, what it means is a sentience
Speaker 1: if just to just to clarify that's what we want.
Speaker 1: That's where my mind went to as well. And I see, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily embodied by something all the time,
Speaker 1: although it can be right and I'm correcting you, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I'm just thinking about it out loud. It's like,
Speaker 1: even that's that this is force field idea, but the
Speaker 1: force field has sentience. Yes, I think I think modern
Speaker 1: science has discovered this. Man. I did a big deep
Speaker 1: dive on lately, and if you breed their sort of
Speaker 1: mission state, they since since I started talking about it,
Speaker 1: they took it down. And I don't know it because
Speaker 1: of me or what, but you know, I just thought
Speaker 1: it was funny. But they used to have a mission
Speaker 1: statement on their website that talked about the the Higgs
Speaker 1: Boson particle and basically they laid out their idea of
Speaker 1: the Big Bang. And they keep talking about referencing this
Speaker 1: force field and they're doing it just the right way.
Speaker 1: So it's scientific and not spiritual, right, Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge, but I think it's sentient with yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean absolutely in it. And we see,
Speaker 2: I mean we see this kind of thing with with
Speaker 2: you know, UFO abductees. What they what they make claims
Speaker 2: about regarding the actual UFOs themselves, right, these or UAPs
Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call them, that they have
Speaker 2: a level of sentience and that they they respond in
Speaker 2: a way that that implies some sort of understanding, right,
Speaker 2: that there's an actual like mental process of some sort
Speaker 2: going on there. But going back to the Triune Stone
Speaker 2: of Lost science, this is what I wanted to mention.
Speaker 2: So it's a fragmentation of which is threefold. The Samerians
Speaker 2: who preserved primarily the astrological and the astronomical component, right,
Speaker 2: we have the the Hebrews that conserved largely the cabalistic component,
Speaker 2: and then the Egyptians, which really kind of not heralded
Speaker 2: what's the word, uh, you know, captor guarded the alchem
Speaker 2: alchemical component. And so that's really what we see, and
Speaker 2: we see these three kind of be pulled apart. One
Speaker 2: one was he Marian, Hebrew.
Speaker 1: And Egyptiiight, that's right, that's right. Yeah, I remember this part,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad you picked up notes on it because
Speaker 1: I did not. The truck the Triune Stone is very dense.
Speaker 1: It's a dense concept. That's another interesting But I think
Speaker 1: I think you're you're laying it out nicely there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's and I don't know if you're going to this
Speaker 1: part art, but he seems to liken it to the trinity.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, that's a really great point that you bring
Speaker 2: that up. And it's interesting because they call it lost
Speaker 2: sciences as though they were you know, they're separate. But
Speaker 2: I think that that's the way we think about them.
Speaker 2: And that's what's really truly fascinating about alchemy as well,
Speaker 2: right like, because alchemy references like the origin.
Speaker 1: Point over and over and over, right.
Speaker 2: And just like you're talking about, you have this trifecta
Speaker 2: going on, this this trinity going on as well, which
Speaker 2: which he does he references really well. And he talks
Speaker 2: about how Augustine would use that reference as the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 2: God the Father got the Son and got the Holy
Speaker 2: Spirit as a reference to the three pieces or the
Speaker 2: three aspects that the stone can take, right Like the stone,
Speaker 2: just like you talked about, it could be alixir, it
Speaker 2: could be the powder, or it could actually be a
Speaker 2: physical stone of some sort that would imbue whatever power
Speaker 2: you know, it was being used for at that time.
Speaker 1: That's it and that and that's a very exciting part
Speaker 1: of this book too, so that he gets into that
Speaker 1: and he's willing to go there and go that deep
Speaker 1: into it. So what you find with this book is,
Speaker 1: like page one, what doctor Frell does is he kind
Speaker 1: of lays out that the book pivots on three substances
Speaker 1: American gold, Soviet mercury, and Nazi serum. Yep. So it's
Speaker 1: from the jump sort of implied that he's going to
Speaker 1: touch on the alchemical nature of those three substances and
Speaker 1: everything kind he works the book around that sort of
Speaker 1: free part. Uh. I don't know what we'd call a
Speaker 1: plot or whatever. There you go, there you go. And
Speaker 1: I actually laughed when I read his line, because early
Speaker 1: on he just he's addressing stuff, right, and he says,
Speaker 1: you know something along the lines of, you know, if
Speaker 1: you merely speak the word alchemy, you will make a
Speaker 1: real scientist uncomfortable, perhaps even belligerent. I thought that was great,
Speaker 1: because people, modern scientists, they're they don't they're not willing
Speaker 1: to sort of put their nose in now chemical texts
Speaker 1: and see what it's all about. It's just been it's
Speaker 1: just been shunned. Right. But then doctor Farrell introduces the conspiracy. Right,
Speaker 1: if I can call it that, this is all in
Speaker 1: like the first three pages, I think for people listening,
Speaker 1: he says, uh, as as you read this book, you're
Speaker 1: going to see evidence that of a very different and
Speaker 1: exotic form of physics exists, that he's being pursued by elites,
Speaker 1: power players, off the books, off the being done so,
Speaker 1: off the book. So I'm all about this stuff that
Speaker 1: that premise is all I need to start every podcast
Speaker 1: I ever do for us in all life. Those are
Speaker 1: elements that we can I can riff off without a
Speaker 1: doubt in this book. So I want to lay that out.
Speaker 2: No, you're good man, that's a that's a great place
Speaker 2: to start, frankly, and I'm glad you mentioned I literally,
Speaker 2: that's funny you say that. I literally have that underlined
Speaker 2: right here off the books part Yeah, yeah, yeah, occulted
Speaker 2: laboratories of the world's major powers.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's exactly right what it is, man, That's what
Speaker 1: we're contending with right now. It is it is. And
Speaker 1: you know what that whether you're Christian or not, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean, honestly, I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of get I get the shady for people for being
Speaker 1: into alchemy. As a Christian. Of course, I'm just learning
Speaker 1: about it. It's not like I'm not practicing. But because
Speaker 1: there is a magical component to this, but not always,
Speaker 1: not always, you know, there can be right too.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's an interesting thing because a lot
Speaker 2: of the the early well and we have to kind
Speaker 2: of take it with a grain of salt too. So
Speaker 2: so let me let me preface what I'm about to
Speaker 2: say by saying, take this with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2: But we also have to understand that a lot of
Speaker 2: early church fathers, a lot of early Christians were philosophers,
Speaker 2: and they were actively pursuing the philosopher's stone. Now you
Speaker 2: might say, well, they were part of such and such
Speaker 2: a society and such as such society. Okay, well, fair enough,
Speaker 2: you know I'm not gonna I'm not going to tell
Speaker 2: you it has to be X, Y or Z. You know,
Speaker 2: as we as we well know in this space, like
Speaker 2: it's usually the both, and it's very rarely like black
Speaker 2: or white. It's it's almost never black or white. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's it's a very weird thing to say. In fact,
Speaker 2: the only black and white we have in this book
Speaker 2: is the changing of colors.
Speaker 1: The actually zone itself. Right.
Speaker 2: But I think that you make a really good point,
Speaker 2: and that that's it's important to understand that the what
Speaker 2: you and I might call uh metaphorical kind of concepts
Speaker 2: that appear in in alchemy are just as important as
Speaker 2: the physical processes that that occur in alchemy as well.
Speaker 2: And so if we're to take it, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of just at face value, well then maybe we will
Speaker 2: just reject it out of hand. But if we do
Speaker 2: dig just a little bit, like you really do see
Speaker 2: And I'm coming from a Christian perspective obviously, I'm part
Speaker 2: of the Christian theological Dark White podcast, right, So I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you my my worldview coming straight forward
Speaker 2: when we see the ether, and I'm I'm hesitant to
Speaker 2: give this away right when we talking about the the
Speaker 2: the material, the material prima, right, prima materia. I can't
Speaker 2: rember which it is. Materia prima, uh, the ether. It's
Speaker 2: got tons of different names, right, like the the initial substrate,
Speaker 2: undifferentiated material in my mind and we can explore this,
Speaker 2: but in my mind, bro, that is what Revelation talks
Speaker 2: about the scroll being rolled up at the end of
Speaker 2: the age. That's what God rolls up. Everything's written on it.
Speaker 2: It's all written on the materia prima. It's it's and
Speaker 2: actually I'm not I'm not gonna lie. I'm just this
Speaker 2: is a full, full disclosure here. There's a part of
Speaker 2: this book that I as the more I read it,
Speaker 2: I was kind of like inclining this way, and more
Speaker 2: inclining this way, and just a little more, until like
Speaker 2: all out I realize, like this is a legit concept,
Speaker 2: Like this is an actual thing that happens. Is that
Speaker 2: our intentions, that our feelings, our desires, all those things,
Speaker 2: all those things, they are written on the actual fabric
Speaker 2: of the materia prima itself, which is why God can
Speaker 2: roll it up as a scroll at the end of time.
Speaker 2: And if you look at other authors like John Burke
Speaker 2: who talks about imagine Heaven, when people go and they
Speaker 2: have these out of body experiences or post death experiences,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll call them, they literally are confronted with
Speaker 2: like an entire what they call a life review. They
Speaker 2: have like a full out life review of everything that's
Speaker 2: written down. I mean, it's like it's all recorded, and
Speaker 2: it's recorded in ways that I can't even begin to
Speaker 2: express here.
Speaker 1: But what about this This is a concept that's dumbled
Speaker 1: across looking into some really dark corners of theufology. But
Speaker 1: there are people who were having entity encounters of the
Speaker 1: UFO kind and these entities were imparting information that these people,
Speaker 1: and what it was was they were referencing some sort
Speaker 1: of a mass of consciousness that exists maybe in the
Speaker 1: cosmo somewhere, but the entities are are waiting for that
Speaker 1: to fill up. And what it was is everybody's life
Speaker 1: experience gets added to this mass consciousness like a like
Speaker 1: a like a big cosmic database. Sounds like the Acacia record, right,
Speaker 1: and that that rolls right into it too. And these
Speaker 1: entities were saying, once that's full, that's when you know
Speaker 1: your Ragnaroc, your apocalypse, you're into the world stuff. That's
Speaker 1: when they wrap it up right, yeah, Or that's when
Speaker 1: it's wrapped up right? Higher power? Now, is that does
Speaker 1: that fit into this?
Speaker 2: Because that I always thought that that was such a
Speaker 2: wild It is a wild concept. And let me make
Speaker 2: sure I don't want to misrepresent the the idea itself,
Speaker 2: but essentially that these entities, these UFO associated entities are
Speaker 2: saying that once once the consciousness what we call it
Speaker 2: the consciousness database, is full, that the scroll will be
Speaker 2: rolled up.
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm understanding, That's what That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if both could be true, and I do you think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't. I don't want to tread
Speaker 1: on the waters of no no no, I read as
Speaker 1: much as you want, dude. Well, it's just like I've
Speaker 1: been I've talked about entities a lot on here, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take a break from it because I
Speaker 1: know it weird people out a lot. But basically, I
Speaker 1: don't think you can trust all these these messages you
Speaker 1: get from entities, but sometimes there's a little grand truth
Speaker 1: in there. And I just thought it was an interesting concept.
Speaker 2: But tim I I would I would dare say it's
Speaker 2: the other way around, bro. I know this might be
Speaker 2: a very unpopular opinion or this might weird people out,
Speaker 2: but I think it's the inverse. I think that there's
Speaker 2: a lot more truth that's tailored into the explanation than
Speaker 2: there is lie. I think that there's way more truth,
Speaker 2: because it would you wouldn't be sold on it if
Speaker 2: there weren't a solid amount of truth, right, Like you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't.
Speaker 2: You don't have a whole plot to kill someone unless
Speaker 2: you have a lot of good reasons for it, right,
Speaker 2: The same thing is true, Like there's there's tons of
Speaker 2: truth that's mixed in there until there's just a few
Speaker 2: bad seeds that are like, m yeah, no, but I
Speaker 2: can't buy this tiny portion over here. And so come,
Speaker 2: let me come back to your concept real quick and
Speaker 2: answer you. I will say in a way that I
Speaker 2: mean from my from my perspective, I would say yes, Now,
Speaker 2: I think that that is possible. I think that they
Speaker 2: can overlap, and I think that they can even dovetail.
Speaker 2: And the reason I think so is because when when
Speaker 2: when God talks about the end of time, when does
Speaker 2: the end of time come? The end of time comes,
Speaker 2: the Ragnarok or whatever you want to call it, right,
Speaker 2: that comes biblically speaking, when everyone has had a chance
Speaker 2: to embrace Christ as savior or not so, from a
Speaker 2: biblical perspective, I have no problem accepting that kind of idea. Now,
Speaker 2: you may have these entities over here saying that the
Speaker 2: database consciousness being full means something totally different to what
Speaker 2: I just told you, And you may have esotericists or
Speaker 2: other you know, believers of other religions that will tell
Speaker 2: you that.
Speaker 1: It's otherwise as well.
Speaker 2: But what you're asking is whether or not that can
Speaker 2: fit squarely in a Biblical paradigm.
Speaker 1: Absolutely sure, absolutely sure. I see a ton of this happening.
Speaker 1: I see it throughout my research all the time, where
Speaker 1: ideas that are being h ideas that are being perpetuated
Speaker 1: in occult doctrines fit fine within a Biblical paradigm or
Speaker 1: within the Biblical doctrine, they don't class. And like, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be very careful about how I talk about
Speaker 1: that these days, because I know, like that Biblical hit
Speaker 1: Men podcast I did, for instance, I know I said
Speaker 1: some stuff on there that it's going to be because
Speaker 1: that's a very Christian forward show and I am a Christian,
Speaker 1: which but I'm a little bit more liberal maybe than some.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I think I said some stuff on there
Speaker 1: that's going to be perceived as slippery to some Christians
Speaker 1: because I don't know if they understand where I'm coming from,
Speaker 1: because I'm not promoting the occult when I say that
Speaker 1: the occult is not entirely bad, right saying I'm saying
Speaker 1: some of this knowledge can be used for good, and
Speaker 1: it can definitely be used for bad, and some of
Speaker 1: it just some of it. There was there's this huge
Speaker 1: sect of people that's been forgotten totally by history. Of
Speaker 1: the esoteric Christians. A lot of those guys were not
Speaker 1: evil people. They were having conversations like the one we're
Speaker 1: having today. I think that is my strong suspicion. But
Speaker 1: they have Christ in their heart as well that they're having,
Speaker 1: you know. But they went deep into this stuff and
Speaker 1: they believed in like you know even Okay, example probably
Speaker 1: not the best example of a Christian figure, but Paracelsis
Speaker 1: he was a Christian from what I could tell, he
Speaker 1: was one of these esoteric Christians. And he talks about
Speaker 1: the Going back to this conversation we just had about
Speaker 1: these entities, he talks about the Olympic Spirits, this hierarchy
Speaker 1: of beings that rule certain sections of the cosmos. It's
Speaker 1: a lot like what you see in the Bible with
Speaker 1: after the Tower of Bible, where God splits up the
Speaker 1: nations and puts principalities over the nations, there's some sort
Speaker 1: of a guardian guiding entity that's over sect of people.
Speaker 1: Same sort of a concept perouse Else is referring to
Speaker 1: with the Olympic Spirits. Beneath the Olympic spirits, you have
Speaker 1: these sort of elemental creatures that alchemists would work with.
Speaker 1: They were cryptid like, I guess, or fairy like, and
Speaker 1: to put it in our terms, they're like silk nimps,
Speaker 1: dry ads, gnomes maybe was one of them. But you know,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So there's a hierarchy of
Speaker 1: entities there that that was kind of woven into the
Speaker 1: fabric of this work. The some of the alchemists embarked upon.
Speaker 1: And that's sketchy because that's when you bring magic in.
Speaker 1: Then you're really gonna look slippery to most Christians. Well,
Speaker 1: we have to.
Speaker 2: So there's a few things you said, and I don't
Speaker 2: to be honest, as far as I could tell, I
Speaker 2: don't think we disagree on anything. Man, I think I
Speaker 2: agree with everything you just said. But I do want
Speaker 2: to I want to give some you know, some clarifying points,
Speaker 2: you know from my perspective.
Speaker 1: Oh and two, there's a lot we don't know. That's
Speaker 1: why this, that's why this is important for us to hash.
Speaker 1: I said, Oh, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's fine, man. Excuse me drinking my coffee. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get warm. It's all cold in my house.
Speaker 2: So everything that we're looking at is nature. It's it's
Speaker 2: the it's the design that God gave to this reality
Speaker 2: that we live in.
Speaker 1: Right. I watched a really interesting a presentation.
Speaker 2: I can't say podcast guys actually given a presentation and
Speaker 2: it was funny. The first half of it was like,
Speaker 2: I mean, like mind bendingly mind opening.
Speaker 1: It was great. It was so good.
Speaker 2: The key takeaway there is that there are two kind
Speaker 2: of worlds. One is what we would call Newtonian physics
Speaker 2: and the other is what we would call quantum physics. Okay,
Speaker 2: now they work in tandem, but we don't always understand
Speaker 2: how they work in tandem. And I really like this
Speaker 2: Newtonian physics and quantum physics because even breaks it down
Speaker 2: a little further and says, shoot, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: find that presentation for you, by the way, but he
Speaker 2: says that there's Newtonian physicality and quantum physicality, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to lay a base here so when we start
Speaker 2: coming to these concepts, it'll be a little bit easier
Speaker 2: to tread on these waters.
Speaker 1: No pun intended.
Speaker 2: So, uh, when we're talking about Newtonian physical matter, it's
Speaker 2: what you and I consist of. This hand that's in
Speaker 2: front of me, right, This hand is Newtonian physical matter,
Speaker 2: but quantum matter might be a lot easier to be
Speaker 2: interpreted in a spiritual sense, right, because here's here's a
Speaker 2: concept that's really been floating around, bouncing in my head
Speaker 2: a lot. Is just because you don't have Newtonian physical
Speaker 2: matter does not mean you are not physical. So just
Speaker 2: because you don't have a human body or you know,
Speaker 2: a I don't know an our Vark's body for that matter, right,
Speaker 2: does not mean you're not physical. We are a version
Speaker 2: of physicality, but there are higher versions of physicality. And
Speaker 2: we can see this actually referenced if we look at
Speaker 2: this from a Nachian and I mean like the you know,
Speaker 2: biblical kind of tradition of Nakian in the actual Bible itself.
Speaker 2: There's a really great book.
Speaker 1: There's two Enochs. I want to riff on that in
Speaker 1: a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Because I want to tie it. I want to tie
Speaker 1: all this up because with the two world's idea. But
Speaker 1: people keep going, And also let me just add Bova
Speaker 1: since we were talking about the spirit world right before
Speaker 1: we long st end of this. You know, Blovatski was
Speaker 1: you know, she was a medium. She was I believe
Speaker 1: there's a spiritual rhyme. I believe you could contact it
Speaker 1: and all this. I think that she was doing exactly that.
Speaker 1: Blavatski knew about what you're talking about in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: She she was she was describing quantum physics before it existed. Yep.
Speaker 1: She said that as an atom and it can be split.
Speaker 1: And she was going up up against the science of
Speaker 1: the day, which was probably on the maybe I don't
Speaker 1: know where they were at. They were more like science
Speaker 1: is not material or something like that. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm I'm not quite sure, but whatever she was
Speaker 1: saying was was not welcomed, like.
Speaker 2: Natural scientists versus natural science versus precise right, she.
Speaker 1: Was up against Darwin and all those guys too with
Speaker 1: her thoughts. But like she was talking about particles. She
Speaker 1: was saying, going back to the beginning of this conversation,
Speaker 1: the force field, the sentient force field. She said, there
Speaker 1: is a force field that is moved. These forces are
Speaker 1: moved by particles. And so she's describing particle physics and
Speaker 1: quantum physics as well. But the more you read, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But she knew about that. Because of this conversation we
Speaker 1: just had about how you do get some truth from
Speaker 1: the other that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, and so what what. There's a really great
Speaker 2: book whose name I can't reference. I wish I had
Speaker 2: my bookshelf in here, but I will get it for you,
Speaker 2: I promise. It's a really great book and it's called
Speaker 2: Oh I remember, it's called Revising Reality. That's what it's called,
Speaker 2: Revising Reality. Really great book. It's got several authors. But
Speaker 2: one of the things that they talk about there's they
Speaker 2: reference an older book called.
Speaker 1: Is It Two D World.
Speaker 2: Essentially, the concept of this book is that there is
Speaker 2: a world in which everything is two dimensional, but when
Speaker 2: a three dimensional hand reaches into it, then it appears
Speaker 2: as a two dimensional particle or two dimensional figure. So
Speaker 2: even though you're putting your hands straight in, all they
Speaker 2: see are four little you know, four little circles that
Speaker 2: are just in the sky in their two dimensional world.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And so what they do in Revising Reality is they
Speaker 2: liken that same concept to the Nephylon.
Speaker 1: For example, that's also the cover of the Nice Nails
Speaker 1: album Year Zero, which is giant giant hand coming out
Speaker 1: of the sky, but you only see the fingers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh cool, that's interesting. And you know, listen to that
Speaker 1: album anyway it mind me, it might very well be
Speaker 1: a nod to this concept.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, interesting, Okay, so the same They just lay
Speaker 2: out the same concept with regards to the Nephelin. Right,
Speaker 2: if you are a huge, super dense creature, right, coming
Speaker 2: from having at least in part right, because you know
Speaker 2: these are these are hybrid creatures, at least in part
Speaker 2: having your let's call it non Newtonian physicality right placed
Speaker 2: in a body in a world where there is Newtonian physicality, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about our physicality when I talk about that, if.
Speaker 1: You can go anywhere else where do you go up?
Speaker 1: Where do you go to? You go up and out?
Speaker 2: Your girth and your height are going to increase because
Speaker 2: you have nowhere else to go in question to physicality,
Speaker 2: because you're another dimensional being being transported into a third dimension.
Speaker 2: So yeah, of course you look terrifying and huge and confusing.
Speaker 2: And why are you like this big giant thing. Well,
Speaker 2: because there's there's nowhere else to have this fit into
Speaker 2: the paradigm.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's you can still you can see
Speaker 1: some of the hand, but I don't know this is
Speaker 1: this this was his album where he kind of two
Speaker 1: those and all kinds of stuff like what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: it's a it's there. He was. He was ahead of
Speaker 1: his time with this one. I mean he was tapping
Speaker 1: in trend man talking about downloads. I think this is
Speaker 1: one of those guys who gets those downloads. But that's interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a song on here called Twilight that
Speaker 1: is phenomenal.
Speaker 2: That whole album I really like. Actually I am a
Speaker 2: nine in Chelles fan. He's really really talented guy. It's
Speaker 2: interesting that you mentioned him just kind of is an offshoot.
Speaker 2: But there's something really particularly interesting about his lyrics. If
Speaker 2: you ever read his lyrics, they're very simple, they're not complicated,
Speaker 2: but his music is like next level genius dude. I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't come up with stuff like that easily. Like
Speaker 2: that's not something that most people can do.
Speaker 1: He understands the power of aesthetic and audible aesthetic because
Speaker 1: you know, as I've played guitar for twenty plus years
Speaker 1: and his guitar parts are very simple, but they're very
Speaker 1: powerful because he understands it's just not how you play
Speaker 1: its ambience and atmosphere, yeah and all that. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get us back to this book real quick. I did.
Speaker 1: That's cool, man, I'm glad we went down this physics thing.
Speaker 1: That's it's very it's wrapped up in this right. Just
Speaker 1: a thought on something. So page somewhere between page two
Speaker 1: and seven, Okay, Farrell, I just have a thought on something.
Speaker 1: He something else, he lays out. Yeah, and actually, let
Speaker 1: me let me say this, because you're talking about the
Speaker 1: two worlds, right, Yeah. I think there's two versions of
Speaker 1: this knowledge that we're talking about today. I think they
Speaker 1: both came personally. I think they both came from the Garden.
Speaker 1: I think things were taught to Adam. Adam taught him
Speaker 1: to his children, and we know Cain left the garden
Speaker 1: and Caine started his own civilization. And if you look
Speaker 1: at the line of kin, you see the Baddie Knock,
Speaker 1: you see Lil Mec, you see Tubal Caine and the
Speaker 1: Freemason legends that this knowledge was kept through his line, right,
Speaker 1: But I think there was also a line that wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily there was a line from Adam that that kept
Speaker 1: some of this knowledge as well, didn't really necessarily do
Speaker 1: bad things with it, right, Just I think keep that
Speaker 1: in mind when because one of the things farolays out
Speaker 1: here is this gap he presents where he talks about
Speaker 1: a gap where we don't know who had use of
Speaker 1: the esoteric knowledge between three hundred AD and eleven hundred
Speaker 1: a d. Now, eleven hundred AD is when the templar
Speaker 1: sprang up, and that's where you see some of this
Speaker 1: knowledge start to resurface, right. I just think that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Like with some of the deep dives I've been doing,
Speaker 1: it's like I would suggest that that knowledge simply didn't disappear.
Speaker 1: It went somewhere. I think maybe it was stored in
Speaker 1: Arabia because now now we're talking about alchemists here, because
Speaker 1: the alchemists played a big part and keeping the keeping
Speaker 1: of this knowledge. And where did it go for this
Speaker 1: gap that faroulays out right, Well, right in the middle
Speaker 1: of that gap is seven hundred AD, which is the
Speaker 1: time of the Arab alchemist Jabber. So I think the
Speaker 1: Arabs had this stuff for this mysterious gap, and I
Speaker 1: think some of it was stored in Petra hm hm
Speaker 1: Petra is Anamite stronghold. That's interesting. Now, So you remember
Speaker 1: in the Bible where it says esau Left took his wives.
Speaker 1: He married Nephelm women and Canaanites by the way, so
Speaker 1: he you know, the line of Esau is the beginning
Speaker 1: of the Edomites in the Bible. He took he takes
Speaker 1: all his possessions, his wives and all his stuff, and
Speaker 1: he goes to a mountain in the area of Seer.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, right, that's Petra. Petra's right next to Mount Seyr.
Speaker 1: So that's where he settled. And everybody remembers that Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones movie where you see that or yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's Petra, That's that's Edomite. That's uh, that's the Canaanites
Speaker 1: and the Nephilin that he married into. I think had
Speaker 1: this knowledge. Yeah, I mean and they and they stored
Speaker 1: it there, right, so like the history will tell you
Speaker 1: that the Naviteans built that, but they moved in after
Speaker 1: the Edomites did. So anyway, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like I'm sure other people could probably fill in
Speaker 1: Feral's gap here, but I think that accounts for some
Speaker 1: of it, you know, Uh, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, man like this, the amalak amalek Heites, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were a line of Esau too, They're the ones
Speaker 1: who like said to be at amel kite means blood
Speaker 1: liquor or something like that. Like they were totally they
Speaker 1: were this was this was a Nephelum religion. Yep. It
Speaker 1: turned into the cult of Co's and a lot of
Speaker 1: other stuff you see in that region. So I just
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on that because, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's fascinating, Like it's like the question of where did
Speaker 1: this knowledge go? And I think also Constantinople is another
Speaker 1: place where this knowledge went. I mean, I don't if
Speaker 1: you know much about the Byzantine Empire, but I don't. Men,
Speaker 1: That's actually one of those things that I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I really need to research this more. I really
Speaker 2: keep seeing it pop because it pops up everywhere, right,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Right, business team history buzant Teine kicks off in three
Speaker 1: hundred a d. Right at the beginning a barrel's gap, right,
Speaker 1: and during the Dark Ages. So Constantinople is like the
Speaker 1: center of the Buzantine Empire. Right, Constantinople was thriving during
Speaker 1: the Dark Ages. This is what they don't tell you.
Speaker 1: This is what they all all that they were having
Speaker 1: a blast in the in in Constantinople. In Turkey and
Speaker 1: in the air world while Europe was experiencing the Dark
Speaker 1: Age because dark agents was brought on by the Church
Speaker 1: and you know, facilitated by dark forces. But these people,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they had a renaissance, They had a
Speaker 1: perpetual renaissance happy and Constantinople falls around fourteen hundred a d.
Speaker 1: And that's when as soon as fourteen hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred UNA's Constantinople falls. That's when the Renaissance sparked in
Speaker 1: Europe because all these people left Constantinople went up into
Speaker 1: Europe and brought all this knowledge with them and they
Speaker 1: that's when you see hermetics show up in Italy through
Speaker 1: guys like Jordano Bruno. He shows up on the scene
Speaker 1: in the fifteen hundreds. Fits right into this time. So basically,
Speaker 1: the Catholics made up the name Byzantine and change history
Speaker 1: so nobody sort of knew. I don't know what they
Speaker 1: were trying to They were trying to cover something up,
Speaker 1: but the Byzantine Empire fits perfectly in this gap that
Speaker 1: Pharaoh presents. So anyway, yeah, that's for letting me go
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole. But like Turkey, Constantinople, Petra probably
Speaker 1: alchemical hubs of the ancient world. That's very interesting, dude.
Speaker 1: You had. And there's another guy six hundred AD kind
Speaker 1: of right in the middle of that gap too, was
Speaker 1: a Stefoffanos of Alexandria. He's a part of the Byzantine
Speaker 1: Empire under hero Heracleus. I think it's how you say
Speaker 1: it's yes, yeah, yeah, both of them were into alchemy.
Speaker 1: So when when Stefoffinos moved to Constantinople, and he moved there,
Speaker 1: no doubt to practice alchemy in Turkey under this emperor
Speaker 1: Heraclus or Heracleics or however you say it. So, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just just to toss in some history here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good, dude. This stuff was perpetuated probably Turkey. You know,
Speaker 1: Turkey butts right up to the bottom of Europe. M
Speaker 1: I think the next country is up as Moldova or
Speaker 1: something like that, at a really interesting spot, and then
Speaker 1: Romania is right there as well. It's the bottom of
Speaker 1: so right, there's a there's actually a line between the
Speaker 1: dark Ages and the not dark Ages where they're still
Speaker 1: probably practicing alchemy. Alchemy for alchemy probably just made its
Speaker 1: way back up into Europe after this cloak from the
Speaker 1: Church of the Dark Age.
Speaker 2: You know, you you were talking, so, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: like a bagillion thoughts going through my mind right now.
Speaker 2: One of the things that you said is really important
Speaker 2: is that you know that this knowledge.
Speaker 1: It comes out of an older it comes out of
Speaker 1: an older batch of knowledge, is just a tie above. Yes, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's exactly where I'm going.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm glad you said you were talking about Adam
Speaker 2: from beginning, right, and that he had this esoteric knowledge.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. For us, it's esoteric.
Speaker 2: For him, it was common knowledge, right, These were common
Speaker 2: concepts for him. These were common technologies, if we want
Speaker 2: to call him that for him, and anything that's occult,
Speaker 2: it becomes occulted through time or you know, a perpetual
Speaker 2: or decisive obfuscation, right, Like that's how that happens. But
Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said about any empire
Speaker 2: that refuses to die, like at least its core concepts
Speaker 2: or its core ways of life refused to die. One
Speaker 2: is precisely what you were talking about. The Arab world,
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly, like ancient Egypt lives even today. Really, dude,
Speaker 2: I mean like, let's just be straight up honest. I
Speaker 2: would say the same thing is true, and this is
Speaker 2: not to go in this direction, just kind of mentioning
Speaker 2: it is what I studied actually in college. A whole
Speaker 2: lot was was China. China was ransacked time and time again,
Speaker 2: and instead of like conforming to whoever was coming in
Speaker 2: overtaking them, whoever overtook them.
Speaker 1: Just was like, well, we'll.
Speaker 2: Just signify ourselves. We'll just become Chinese, you know, same
Speaker 2: kind of concept, like it just kind of got absorbed
Speaker 2: into us.
Speaker 1: China may have been one of Noah's suns.
Speaker 2: Right, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And Pharaoh talks about that in this book. He talks
Speaker 1: about how he's citing Paracelsus actually, and they lay out
Speaker 1: how this going back to this knowledge thing, Abraham, is
Speaker 1: that right? No, Noah, I'm sorry. Noah preserves some knowledge
Speaker 1: before the flood, sure does. Yes, he mentioned the tablets
Speaker 1: that are underneath sons, right, So after the flood, Noah
Speaker 1: goes down to the bottom of this mountain right like
Speaker 1: Petra almost where they stored their knowledge and retracts or no,
Speaker 1: like yeah, whatever, it takes out this knowledge that was
Speaker 1: stored down there. Now air or at or one of
Speaker 1: the other mountains.
Speaker 2: If you if you actually look at is it Jubileese.
Speaker 2: I want to say the Book of Jubilees Uh, it
Speaker 2: actually talks about this. I think it's one of the
Speaker 2: grandsons of Noah. Maybe I'm wrong, but one of the
Speaker 2: grandsons of Noah finds the actual teachings on a tablet
Speaker 2: of the watchers.
Speaker 1: And well, that's another. That's that's another. That's the tubulc.
Speaker 1: Now go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead, No, no, you're good,
Speaker 1: You're good.
Speaker 2: That's just that's one of the that's one of the
Speaker 2: methods of transmission.
Speaker 1: That's always going to say no, no, no, okay. So
Speaker 1: that's all right. So here it is. It's on page
Speaker 1: fifty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. When you said,
Speaker 2: I was like, wait what, I was like, did I
Speaker 2: miss that?
Speaker 1: No? I know what you're talking about. But the alchemical
Speaker 1: science itself, Paracalysius clearly states comes from Adam. Adam was
Speaker 1: able to predict the world's destruction by water m from
Speaker 1: this cause too. It came about that his successors erected
Speaker 1: two tablets of stone, on which Staying braided all natural
Speaker 1: arts and hieroglyphic characters in order that their posterity might
Speaker 1: also become acquainted with this prediction that it might be
Speaker 1: heated and provisions made in the time of dangerous dense stuff.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so okay, here's the part I'm getting to. Subsequently,
Speaker 1: Noah found one of those tablets under Mount Aerth after
Speaker 1: the deluge. In this table or on these tablets were
Speaker 1: described the courses of the upper firmament and of the
Speaker 1: lower globe. Sorry, guys, these guys believed in space and
Speaker 1: planet shaped balls or fall shaped planet. Sorry, y'all. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's what they believed, clearly. But moving on. No, No, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Earth's shape is, but I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily I'm not totally on board with that. But anyways,
Speaker 1: at length, this universal knowledge was divided into several parts
Speaker 1: and lessened in its vigor and power by means of
Speaker 1: the separation. One man became an astronomer, another magician, another cabalist,
Speaker 1: and a fourth an alchemist. Abraham that volcanic tubulcane. He's
Speaker 1: liking Abraham to tubulcane in a sense that he was
Speaker 1: a knowledge keeper. Yes, Abraham is a consummate astrologer and
Speaker 1: a arithmetician. Yeah, he carried the art of the land
Speaker 1: of Canaan into Egypt, whereupon the Egyptians rose to so
Speaker 1: great a high indentity that this wisdom was derived from
Speaker 1: them by other nations. You can infer here is that
Speaker 1: Noah's sons got a hold of some of this knowledge.
Speaker 1: There's three of them, right, three sons, and they went
Speaker 1: to three different parts of the of the world and
Speaker 1: probably took some of that with them, and maybe it
Speaker 1: was split up into these groups, like some of it
Speaker 1: was astronomy, some of it was magic, some of it
Speaker 1: was alchemy. You could maybe infer that right, So that
Speaker 1: there's two versions, Like I said, there's two. It seems
Speaker 1: to me that there's two versions or two there's a crossroads.
Speaker 1: There's a split in the roads where this information goes
Speaker 1: after Adam and after Kane, Canes line tuple Kane and
Speaker 1: Kaynes line. He gets it. The legend is that they
Speaker 1: caught win that there was going to be a flood
Speaker 1: as well, and they sealed the knowledge on tablets underneath
Speaker 1: the Great pure mid who their great grandpa, the bad
Speaker 1: Enoch built. Yeah, So so that would be like probably
Speaker 1: at that point, since it's Cane's line, this knowledge had
Speaker 1: been kind of moved into more of that witchcraft type
Speaker 1: of a realm. Yeah, and you've got the line of
Speaker 1: Abraham or Noah. Yes, the same thing as yeah, right,
Speaker 1: same thing who has there? Maybe it's the same knowledge,
Speaker 1: but but they're not doing the same stuff with it,
Speaker 1: right right? Well, I just never hear this talked about.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's that's a it's a good topic, man.
Speaker 2: And and so there's a few things, right, One is
Speaker 2: what what what we should what we call magic? We're
Speaker 2: actually I'm going to do an episode with Shelley and
Speaker 2: I are doing an episode with Christina from Sasquatch from Towerdough,
Speaker 2: and we're talking about re enchantment. So one thing is
Speaker 2: she's like, I think that magic, the word magic got hijacked.
Speaker 2: And although we associate it with the negative esotericism, right,
Speaker 2: She's like, I think that that was hijacked. And so
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a little on the uh, not so sure
Speaker 2: how I feel about that particular word. But I will
Speaker 2: say for things like mystic and things like I don't know, sage,
Speaker 2: stuff like that, those words are not Those words hold
Speaker 2: a lot of baggage today. But for me, they don't
Speaker 2: hold any particular baggage. They just mean a person that
Speaker 2: was seeking out spiritual things, you know, and not necessarily
Speaker 2: obsessed with them, just they were speaking, they were seeking.
Speaker 1: A spiritual life.
Speaker 2: So when we talk about magic, I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: just because that's the way I am, dude. Linguistics is
Speaker 2: my background, and that's kind of where I always really
Speaker 2: try to stem from when I make sure that I
Speaker 2: understand something. So I would say, yeah, I mean absolutely,
Speaker 2: If if we're going to define it as magic, as
Speaker 2: like the interaction with a spiritual force, you know, through
Speaker 2: some sort.
Speaker 1: Of ritual, I guess we could say, then.
Speaker 2: Sure, by all means, I have no problem with that
Speaker 2: definition whatsoever. Now the twisting might be what we're really
Speaker 2: going to draw distinction on, right, And I would say
Speaker 2: that the twisting of let's just call it, let's call
Speaker 2: it magic for you know, for Easu's sake, the twisted
Speaker 2: magic versus the godly magic. And I'm obviously coming from
Speaker 2: a Christian worldview. Again, I mentioned that I think that
Speaker 2: there's something to be said about that.
Speaker 1: I really do, and I.
Speaker 2: Think that a lot of these abilities in general are
Speaker 2: now latent because of the deleterious mutations that have happened
Speaker 2: over thousands and thousands of years, right, Like, this is
Speaker 2: not the way we were created to be. You and
Speaker 2: I were not created to be having podcasts over some
Speaker 2: blue light screen, you know, like sharing esoteric and important
Speaker 2: knowledge this way, right Like, ultimately, for me, in my mind,
Speaker 2: all these things are are for the glory of God,
Speaker 2: like all these things that we study.
Speaker 1: Is yeah, not all our esoteric concepts are bad. They're not.
Speaker 2: That's what esoteric just means that it's hidden, right, It
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it's bad.
Speaker 1: And the Bible is full of awesome tons of stuff, dude.
Speaker 1: Although you know you're not going to hear most pastors
Speaker 1: using that word to describe it because that word has
Speaker 1: kind of gotten an association with you. It call sure, Sure,
Speaker 1: it's doesn't separate from the fact that the word, what
Speaker 1: the word means, and the word applies to what's in
Speaker 1: the Bible. For sure. There's just good versions and bad
Speaker 1: versions of knowledge. That's what we're talking about here, That's right, or.
Speaker 2: Employments, I would even say, right, yeah, because if you
Speaker 2: read and if you read Enoch, the first Enoch, it
Speaker 2: very clearly lays out what the watchers gave, gave useless knowledges.
Speaker 2: That's what the words that the actual words are used.
Speaker 2: They were useless knowledges. It's not that they they weren't knowledges.
Speaker 2: They were just useless. And you know, you can take
Speaker 2: that word useless to mean a lot of different things.
Speaker 2: I haven't done it for etymological dive there, but there's
Speaker 2: a lot to be.
Speaker 1: To be, you know, sorted through there.
Speaker 2: None of least doesn't necessarily have to be alchemy. Alchemy
Speaker 2: is just a practice. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's
Speaker 2: a useless thing. I mean, we have clear Christian individuals
Speaker 2: talking about the purification of the soul, right and if
Speaker 2: you you actually I think it was Para How do
Speaker 2: you say his freaking name, Paracel?
Speaker 1: I get it wrong all the time. I think I
Speaker 1: think it's Paracelsius. You're supposed to say it whatever, pa.
Speaker 2: Para Celsus because I don't have to say so. Paracelsus
Speaker 2: really goes into that, right, He talks about how the
Speaker 2: actual refining of the soul from base metals into gold
Speaker 2: is the ultimate purpose of the transmutative process of the
Speaker 2: human being, like that actually is and it's I love
Speaker 2: the phraseology that he uses there too, right, because if
Speaker 2: you look very careful and I read it, I re
Speaker 2: read it again. I was like, wait, what he says
Speaker 2: the alchemical process that's transmutative for the soul, not done
Speaker 2: by the individual, but allowed by the individual. And I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, that's really cool. So there's there's beauty
Speaker 2: to be held there. Man, it's not it's not like
Speaker 2: one and done. And so like when I tell you
Speaker 2: stuff like I did just a while ago, right, that that.
Speaker 1: The actual our actual intentions. And as you read through
Speaker 1: this book you'll see this.
Speaker 2: Kasarev goes into this the the famous theoretical astrophysicist. He
Speaker 2: breaks down how how time and space cause this crazy twisting, Right.
Speaker 3: That's where I wanted to go, next person, and so
Speaker 3: that twisting imbuse physical objects with information, memory, all sorts
Speaker 3: of other stuff we can.
Speaker 2: Totally get into, but just to kind of seal my
Speaker 2: point here is that the actual intentions of the human
Speaker 2: being are rit on the material prima. That's by design.
Speaker 2: That doesn't there's nothing evil about that. That's just the
Speaker 2: way it works.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Like, you don't have to like it, but it is
Speaker 2: what it is, right, right.
Speaker 1: And and I'll you know, yeah, and I want to
Speaker 1: touch on that this so going back to because we
Speaker 1: kind of hinted about it, it joked about it a
Speaker 1: little bit, like this concept of space, right and planet yeah,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: agnostic on the whole flat earth thing. I just I
Speaker 1: can't go to I love to see more evidence. Sound
Speaker 1: just leave it at that. But these guys, right, I
Speaker 1: get you. I mean, I believe in space. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't believe. I don't think that natal well flatterers do too, right,
Speaker 1: like they don't think. I don't know, man, I've had
Speaker 1: some on that.
Speaker 2: Didn't really like outright out right, I mean just the
Speaker 2: firmament something like that. That's I mean, I would say
Speaker 2: that's not even that's not even a biblical concept, like
Speaker 2: biblically like, there is clearly more than one heaven, right,
Speaker 2: so there has to be some.
Speaker 1: Sort of space.
Speaker 2: Whether whether we can get there or not. You know,
Speaker 2: you can debate all day.
Speaker 1: But something's up there, something I'm still going to call
Speaker 1: it space, or at least at the very least I'll
Speaker 1: call it the heavens. I do believe in planets. That's
Speaker 1: what I've talked to people who do not believe in planets.
Speaker 1: They think that's something else up there. Anyways, I think
Speaker 1: the planet's around and that they move, and that they
Speaker 1: I think that these alchemists were working with the heavens
Speaker 1: in that kind of a way. That's what you see
Speaker 1: in virtually all these alchemical texts, especially Paracelsus, is they
Speaker 1: are factoring in where the planets are to do their alchemy.
Speaker 1: And I lost my place in this book, but I
Speaker 1: think I may have wrote down the wrong page. But
Speaker 1: there's a part in here that talks about astrology and
Speaker 1: the Earth and the interesting connections between Heaven's space and Earth.
Speaker 1: And when I say earth, I mean like physical ground,
Speaker 1: like stones and crystals and stuff like that. Now that
Speaker 1: never use this phrase. I'm cringing already because I'm about
Speaker 1: to use this phrase.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm bracing as.
Speaker 1: Above so below, dude, Yes, I hate I don't ever
Speaker 1: use it. I've heard it. It's been so it's been
Speaker 1: people just throw it out. They don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: It's become an idiotic adage that people get tossed around carelessly.
Speaker 1: But for these guys, they what they were saying by
Speaker 1: that is that there is there is a connection point.
Speaker 1: It's a very dense concept, but that there is a
Speaker 1: connection between the heavens and Earth and and there's an
Speaker 1: alchemical uh process proceed well, like an alchemical vein between
Speaker 1: the two. It's like it's almost like there's like a
Speaker 1: biological connection between the two somehow in like a metaphysical
Speaker 1: kind of a way.
Speaker 2: Well, if we're talking about sentience, I don't see why
Speaker 2: not right right, right.
Speaker 1: It's not biological in the fact that maybe you might
Speaker 1: perceive it as. But there's some sort of there's they're
Speaker 1: all connected, and there's some sort of a function, and
Speaker 1: there's some sort of a bodily I don't know, they've
Speaker 1: been put together in a way to where they work
Speaker 1: together like clockwork or something.
Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd really like to touch on that that
Speaker 2: yeah concept, if that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because I wanted to get into the yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, the good stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that whole as above so below, there's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of aspects like you just said to it,
Speaker 2: but the Egyptian concept is really that there was there
Speaker 2: was an essential what I mean, what we you and
Speaker 2: I would probably call right like the how do we
Speaker 2: say it in scientific terms nowadays? Like the uh that
Speaker 2: matter was highly condensed into one tiny thing. That's what
Speaker 2: you usually usually say. The difference here is that that
Speaker 2: the Egyptian would say that the the non existence was
Speaker 2: all one one undifferentiated matter. In other words, it was
Speaker 2: all one single thing. There was no differences in it.
Speaker 2: It was all completely Is it homogeneous when it means
Speaker 2: that it's the same throughout right homogenous? And it was
Speaker 2: a homogeneous thing. And then as there was what is
Speaker 2: called the primary schism, which is the original breakage you're
Speaker 2: looking at, essentially like a break into different different matter.
Speaker 2: In other words, the undifferentiated matter differentiated and began to
Speaker 2: create what you and I now know as as you know,
Speaker 2: Newtonian physicality. But it also created non Newtonian physicality. It
Speaker 2: created the I mean, it is all those things.
Speaker 1: I mean, so I think what So I used the
Speaker 1: word vein because I was searching for words a second.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to describe this connection between heavens and Earth,
Speaker 1: and I used the word vein, And what I mean
Speaker 1: by that was like a network of veins like you
Speaker 1: would see it in biology. Where but what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is like, it's it's I'm I mean it
Speaker 1: in a my like my celium network kind of a way.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think that the term that the alchemists
Speaker 2: use is really appropriate is the lattice work.
Speaker 1: I think that's really really good.
Speaker 2: That's that's my favorite term, and it really makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense, dude, I mean, and I want to
Speaker 2: lay these out.
Speaker 1: This is super quick.
Speaker 2: Materia prima is space is undifferentiated matter. It could be
Speaker 2: referred to as air, It could be referred to as crystal,
Speaker 2: or the lattice work. It can be referred to as
Speaker 2: the divine essence, the divine quorternary, the ether, on and
Speaker 2: on and on and on. There are tons of expressions
Speaker 2: for this because it's it's sort of ineffable, right, I
Speaker 2: mean right, and with.
Speaker 1: The lattice work thing in the end, this as above,
Speaker 1: So blow imist, say it one more time. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you're saying is this lattice work. I love that, dude,
Speaker 1: And you're right. I've read that before, but yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you're right to highlight that lattice work of the heaven
Speaker 1: and the lattice work of the crystals within the earth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because their crystals look like lattices or they have, So
Speaker 1: that's there's a there's a great you know, man, I
Speaker 1: just I just as you're saying it.
Speaker 2: This is a concept I've had since I actually read
Speaker 2: the book I referenced a while ago, which was Revising Reality.
Speaker 2: When they said lattice work, what actually came to mind
Speaker 2: for me was, uh, dude, I'm sorry, I'm gonna forget
Speaker 2: the word in English. It's always in my brain in Spanish.
Speaker 1: Sorry. Uh. When you have a.
Speaker 2: Like what painters use when they a scaffold, you have
Speaker 2: a scaffold, right, like, that's that's what comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Between as above, so below you have a scaffolding work
Speaker 2: of where the origin point came from the top downward
Speaker 2: right like it was, it trickled down, and so you
Speaker 2: have a scaffold. There's a way to get back up.
Speaker 2: But obviously a scaffold gets smaller and smaller and smaller
Speaker 2: as it heads back up to its final origin point, right,
Speaker 2: because it's it's dangerous the farther up you go. And
Speaker 2: I would say that the lightest work, I dare say
Speaker 2: that it's it's probably very much the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so different crystals, I love that you
Speaker 1: mentioning this is somuch associated with different moon phases. So
Speaker 1: so now I've never told this story before, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm almost hesitating to tell it right now, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to this is the podcast to tell it
Speaker 1: because it's a super woo woo. I have this moonstone
Speaker 1: right here because and I didn't plan this out that
Speaker 1: it just so happened that the first podcast I ever
Speaker 1: did was on Halloween night during a full moon, and
Speaker 1: I was like, there's got to be something sick there.
Speaker 1: There's significant stuff to it. I'll just leave all that
Speaker 1: out for another time. But it was a very it
Speaker 1: was a very synchronistic kind of a thing for me,
Speaker 1: so I was I looked up, I looked up the
Speaker 1: the the crystal associated with that moon phase, and it's moonstone.
Speaker 1: So I ordered one just to have here. It's just
Speaker 1: it's right here next time my laptop for one podcast memory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's nothing else. We we were magic like
Speaker 1: about it. It's just it just represents my first podcast.
Speaker 1: But this is the song. This is the crystal associated
Speaker 1: with that moon phase the first night I started. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because I later found out that This is
Speaker 1: also referred to as a worry stone, which is something
Speaker 1: that you hold to kind of calm your nerves. It's
Speaker 1: like a stress reliever. And I didn't know that until recently.
Speaker 1: But it's funny because you know, I've always reached out
Speaker 1: and grabbed this whenever I get nervous on a Podcast's interesting.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting, man. Yeah, you're gradding it out, grabbing
Speaker 2: it out. Don't be nervous now, kidn it. That's that's
Speaker 2: really cool that you're mentioning that. Since we're on the
Speaker 2: topic of, you know, personal stories. I mentioned this U
Speaker 2: not too long and I guess unintentionally to jump this way,
Speaker 2: but since we're kind of already going to go in
Speaker 2: the direction of Philosopher's stone, no matter what, it's just
Speaker 2: going to happen. There was and I mentioned this on
Speaker 2: a previous podcast. Just I don't even know why it
Speaker 2: came up. I think it's because I was reading this
Speaker 2: book actually at the time. And by the way, this
Speaker 2: book is really dense. It was really hard for me
Speaker 2: to read through. I loved every second of it, but
Speaker 2: it was intense. It was an intense read, especially with
Speaker 2: the scientific con like when he brings in actual like
Speaker 2: academic level science. It gets really complicated. It's pretty It's
Speaker 2: cool read though, But one of the things I really enjoy,
Speaker 2: and I actually wrote this out. I wrote each one
Speaker 2: of them out in my notes. I took copious notes
Speaker 2: for this is the phases of the changes and colors
Speaker 2: when confectioning the Philosopher's Stone. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to go into all those. Essentially start with white
Speaker 2: and you get red. That's basically, you know, what most
Speaker 2: people say when they're trying to make this thing. But
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of other color phases in between. Well,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the moon, so it only seems appropriate.
Speaker 2: When I was five years old, I had just moved
Speaker 2: to where my parents live now, which is al Paso, Texas.
Speaker 2: I no longer live there, but that's where I grew
Speaker 2: up basically, And I had a next door neighbor who
Speaker 2: was a friend from the previous city that was a.
Speaker 1: Good buddy of mine.
Speaker 2: And actually she lives in San Antonio, not that far
Speaker 2: from me now, but I haven't met.
Speaker 1: Up with her in ages.
Speaker 2: But we were super super close when we were little,
Speaker 2: and it was night if I'm not mistaken, it was
Speaker 2: a full moon, and I was out there playing. I
Speaker 2: had one of those tiny little trampolines, you know, the
Speaker 2: single trampolines that we all had when we were kids
Speaker 2: and back in the eighties, right, And I was jumping
Speaker 2: on a trampoline. We were talking and I looked up
Speaker 2: at the moon and it was white. And we kept
Speaker 2: talking and I looked back at the moon and it
Speaker 2: was yellow.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, that's weird. The moon is yellow.
Speaker 2: So I ran inside it tell my parents, hey, the
Speaker 2: moon's pillow. I was five, right, And I come back
Speaker 2: out and the moon's green.
Speaker 1: And I'm like what. And I go back in and.
Speaker 2: The moon's blue and purple and red, I mean, and
Speaker 2: it just color after color until it finally phase shifted
Speaker 2: back into white. But I remember this very characteristically. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is one of those things that I'm not making
Speaker 2: it up. I didn't, you know, this is something like
Speaker 2: I actually witnessed happen, and I was thinking about that.
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you this has anything to do with
Speaker 2: the creation of Philosopher's Stone or anything like that. I
Speaker 2: just thought it was really, really fascinating, and I didn't
Speaker 2: even I.
Speaker 1: Would call that an alchemical par paranormal story. Maybe so, dude, maybe,
Speaker 1: so that's what it because it has it had. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've read, heard research thousands of paranormal stories, and that's
Speaker 1: I would categorize that as potentially a paranormal story.
Speaker 2: It's very weird. It's a very weird thing. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't creeped out.
Speaker 1: It could have been something atmospheric, sure, sure.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I mean it is a little weird that
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, when you're running inside and
Speaker 2: outside for in a period of like what like maybe
Speaker 2: a minute and a half maximum in your kid, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's crazy, man, that's crazy. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: you you and thanks for telling that. That's that's I've
Speaker 1: not heard a story quite like that. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the Philosopher's Stone right before that, Yes, yes, so,
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's a good place to pick
Speaker 1: this back up, because yeah, you take in minerals, crystals,
Speaker 1: ingredients from the earth to make the Philosopher's Stone, right right, So,
Speaker 1: page thirty eight, This is one of the notes I took.
Speaker 1: He he talks about well, you know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: like laying the groundwork for like, what is the Philosopher's
Speaker 1: stone here? Right, And he's it's cool because he cites
Speaker 1: this old book called the Sophiic Hydrolypt and he goes,
Speaker 1: according to seventeenth century book and dial of the Sofa High,
Speaker 1: the Philosopher's stone or the ancient secret which is incomprehensible,
Speaker 1: heavenly blessed, and the try and universal stone of the stages,
Speaker 1: which you laid out. The trying stone earlier is made
Speaker 1: from a kind of mineral by grinding it to powder,
Speaker 1: resolving it into three elements, and recombining these elements into
Speaker 1: a Sawa stone of the likeness or fusibility of wax. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's wild though that story I told earlier, I was
Speaker 1: on the podcast and I was trying to just break
Speaker 1: this down on that show. I was pulling from what
Speaker 1: I've read in the old text, and I end up
Speaker 1: describing it as a soap. It's kind of like wax. Right,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. It's not necessarily a rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so there's a really very interesting and
Speaker 2: this is not quite the rock and this is more
Speaker 2: of a powder explanation here. But I don't know, if
Speaker 2: you read this, you got to this portion of the book.
Speaker 2: This but is absolutely fascinating to me. This is not
Speaker 2: something I.
Speaker 1: Never heard before.
Speaker 2: But they in the portion in Exodus when Moses comes
Speaker 2: upon the Israelites, you know, reveling in sin as it
Speaker 2: were he had. He finds them with the golden calf
Speaker 2: and they're, you know, sitting there imbuing it with God
Speaker 2: knows what kind of spiritual power at the time. He
Speaker 2: grinds the thing up, and the Bible states that he
Speaker 2: makes them drink the gold, and that was like, I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, that's terrible, what a terrible thing to happen. Well,
Speaker 2: Parrell and a lot of previous authors and I'm talking
Speaker 2: like fifteen sixteen hundreds right way back when attribute that
Speaker 2: to an actual technology that Moses had to purify the
Speaker 2: gold to make them drink it, so that they could
Speaker 2: be purified themselves, like actually healed. Like that's actually what
Speaker 2: the idea was for.
Speaker 1: And so you think about it and enlightenment as well.
Speaker 1: I've heard that it had some sort of an effect
Speaker 1: ken to enlightenment, like clearing up brain fog or even
Speaker 1: you know, sort of casting out bad ideas. Oh that's interesting,
Speaker 1: I've heard. I've heard that that was wrapped up in
Speaker 1: as part of possibly a side effect of drinking.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, if we if we've learned
Speaker 2: anything from Jabby season, we know that the blood brain
Speaker 2: barrier is a big deal and that our actual human
Speaker 2: physiology is drastically affected, you know, in our brain by
Speaker 2: what's going on biologically within us. So you know, I
Speaker 2: think that that's a valid point.
Speaker 1: I think that that, yeah, and I think that story
Speaker 1: has its place, but in the right, right, right, But
Speaker 1: I think you know, that story has its place, and
Speaker 1: it seems there's something alchemical happening there now absolutely now
Speaker 1: the Philosopher's Stone.
Speaker 2: And then just to kind of bring that home full circle, right,
Speaker 2: because some people be like.
Speaker 1: These damned wanna be Christian boys.
Speaker 2: Right, somebody's listening to this podcast thinking that right now, well,
Speaker 2: let's bring it full circle. And let's be clear, right,
Speaker 2: Moses made them drink this gold, and he purified it.
Speaker 2: And the way the Bible described the Biblical text describes
Speaker 2: this gold is not regular gold. You don't grind up
Speaker 2: gold like that. There's no way to do it. You
Speaker 2: need it requires an excessive amount of heat to get
Speaker 2: it into that state in the first place. So this
Speaker 2: whole concept that alchemy is all bad. I think we
Speaker 2: need to tread very carefully there. I'm not telling you
Speaker 2: to go out and be an alchemist. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: So like that story, he somehow figured out a way
Speaker 1: to potentially grind it into powder. That's that's what it
Speaker 1: sounds like. The Philosopher's Stone cannot be a pre existing stone.
Speaker 1: It has to be. It has to to undergo a
Speaker 1: change itself before it can make changes. Part of that
Speaker 1: process is going to be grinding it into powder. Right,
Speaker 1: the stone can affect no change or transmutation until it
Speaker 1: has undergone change and transmutation itself. Yes, yes, Going with
Speaker 1: the biblical Kayans, they liken it to leven Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. You know, you know the Israelites
Speaker 1: were not to eat eleven yeast made bread at times.
Speaker 1: There's possibly an alchemical reason for that. But back to
Speaker 1: the Philosopher's Stone, it says here he's got to three
Speaker 1: stages of sort of uh making it right, you subject
Speaker 1: it to stress, they can grind it to powder. Do
Speaker 1: you recapitulate or or or break it down and resolve
Speaker 1: it into its three elements, and you recombine those elements,
Speaker 1: you reverse engineer, right, you recombine those elements into a
Speaker 1: solid stone. Now is it a solid song at that
Speaker 1: point or is it more like a waxy type or
Speaker 1: is it more like a soapie type of substance. It
Speaker 1: probably depends on the minerals you're working with. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is this is this is a lot like
Speaker 1: the the uh you know what those Spergerics processes as well, spagirics. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with this. What's that s p y
Speaker 1: g something something spagirics if Paracelsis was was famous for, uh,
Speaker 1: like perfecting the process. It's making tinctures and yeah, what's
Speaker 1: the other word we used tinctures? Blickser bingo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know there's something that just like popped into
Speaker 2: my brain when you were saying that you made it,
Speaker 2: you made it. It made me understand something when you
Speaker 2: were talking about the creation the fabrication of the Philosopher's
Speaker 2: shone itself. Now we can get into a little bit
Speaker 2: later why this is the case. But Kasarev lays it
Speaker 2: out really well, I really really if if you're if
Speaker 2: your audience has not researched Kusarev. Dude, do yourself a
Speaker 2: favor and go read up on that guy.
Speaker 1: He's the Russian guy that he talks about in this book. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's the one. I'm sure you've heard. What you probably
Speaker 1: whateverbody probably knows about Hi.
Speaker 2: If you know anything about him, is the mirror that
Speaker 2: he made, the Kasarev mirror, which is the spiral mirror
Speaker 2: that you sit in there, and he would literally have
Speaker 2: paranormal time dilated hallucinations. Will yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something
Speaker 2: you should really go. That's what I knew about him
Speaker 2: before I even read this book. So when I read
Speaker 2: that he was in here, I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: so excited, and I learned tons.
Speaker 1: Of new stuff.
Speaker 2: But he he posited that, Oh my gosh, I just
Speaker 2: lost my train of thought.
Speaker 1: Oh I hate when that happens. Well, that's good, I'll
Speaker 1: pick it up. Yeah, you're good, because we're not too
Speaker 1: far off track from this anyway. So oh, I remember, let.
Speaker 2: Me get let me get this in super quick. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I just remember before I forget. He he infers that
Speaker 2: time and space being twisted, which we were talking about earlier,
Speaker 2: is part of that process. And what you just said
Speaker 2: about essentially distilling the the actual physical properties the Newtonian physicality.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about our physicality. Breaking those those things down.
Speaker 2: You have to include the materia prima back into the
Speaker 2: creation of the Philosopher's Stone, and that grinding and that
Speaker 2: wearing and that torsion. All of that is necessary to
Speaker 2: be able to imbue the lost for stone with the
Speaker 2: materia prima along with the now differentiated matter, which would
Speaker 2: be the actual you know, chemicals and elements and everything
Speaker 2: that we're talking about. So I just wanted to lay
Speaker 2: that out because it's super important.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's it, man. And where we're going with this,
Speaker 1: of course, is that the alchemists use this process they
Speaker 1: create their Philosopher's Stone, and they proceed to turn metals
Speaker 1: into gold. Yeah allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. So, and that's where
Speaker 1: this book really picks up for me. Starting around page
Speaker 1: sixty four, you start to get these alchemical stories. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: those are great. I wrote them all out, dude. Or wait,
Speaker 1: I'll come back to this. I'll come up for this
Speaker 1: for it. Part of this is the Arizona gold story.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's where the book I'll come back to
Speaker 1: these these other stories in a little bit, let's talk
Speaker 1: about this. Let's talk about Arizona Gold. Have you seen
Speaker 1: that documentary All the Gold you Can Eat about Ormus? No,
Speaker 1: but I need to watch it. I'll send you the link.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to watch this one, will I promise
Speaker 1: you this. We could have a screening of this right
Speaker 1: now and sight into the conversation. That's what this Arigona
Speaker 1: Arizona gold story is developed in. If I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: on the documentary, this guy, this Hudson guy that he's
Speaker 1: talking about, who has the farm. I think he's actually
Speaker 1: on that documentary talking for parts of So this is
Speaker 1: where this book tasts a wild turn. This becomes one
Speaker 1: of the wildest stories ever ever. People, people one hundred
Speaker 1: years from now will be like, people knew about this
Speaker 1: and nobody did we think about it? So this Hudson guy,
Speaker 1: he has a farm outside of Phoenix.
Speaker 2: In his background, right, his his background is so unlikely, dude.
Speaker 1: It's unlikely. Yeah, it's happenstance. He's a smart guy. It
Speaker 1: could have happened to a better person. He had the
Speaker 1: wits to do something about it. But he discovers so
Speaker 1: the way I took it is he's out there and
Speaker 1: he's trying to farm the desert, essentially the soil out there.
Speaker 1: I've been to Phoenix, you know. It's there's different types
Speaker 1: of flora and fauna. The girl out there that are
Speaker 1: there desert plants, that's you can't just go plant anything
Speaker 1: out there. And in his case, the soil was so
Speaker 1: in really by sodium sodium rich that he had to
Speaker 1: chemically apply chemicals essentially to furic acid. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was.
Speaker 2: He has yep, and that's unlikely, right because forty to
Speaker 2: sixty is what you get in car batteries. Ninety three
Speaker 2: is insane amount of acid.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So he's treating the soil so he can grow stuff.
Speaker 1: So that's when he comes across this anomaly. He discovers
Speaker 1: essentially an alien substance that when exposed to heat, that
Speaker 1: substance either doesn't register as anything, it registers as nothing,
Speaker 1: war it turns into like one of many things every
Speaker 1: exactly iron, rodium, platinum, silver, and apparently gold. At some
Speaker 1: point some of it golds wound up in this So
Speaker 1: the craziest part of this is he's going around to
Speaker 1: all these labs and he's tried talking to the the
Speaker 1: top people in their field, bringing them the substance of being, like,
Speaker 1: can you tell me what it is? And sometimes it
Speaker 1: registers as nothing. So we've got something in Arizona. Now
Speaker 1: that's an alien substance that registers as nothing. When it's
Speaker 1: not registering as nothing, it's changing what mineral types or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's it's completely changing elemental types.
Speaker 1: It's perfect. It's changing elemental types like the color in
Speaker 1: your story, like the moon changed com like the alchemical
Speaker 1: texts described the change of colors to the serum to
Speaker 1: the elixir. So he's yeah, and it's there's there's stuff
Speaker 1: like iron and platinum. Yeah, there's other like more exotic
Speaker 1: type stuff, right, and it's most So it's wild man
Speaker 1: changing its weight while it's transmuting. Yeah. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: freaky part, I know. I know. Well, here that takes
Speaker 1: us back to to physics, it does, and quantum physics
Speaker 1: and extra dimensional quantum physics, because we can get to
Speaker 1: this part. But he finds out, he finds out why
Speaker 1: this thing is registering in it half away that it
Speaker 1: should be. It's so wild man, Q how put off right?
Speaker 2: Which is the the famous theoretical physicist. So what what
Speaker 2: How essentially says, from here he contacts How right, and
Speaker 2: and I wish, I wish there. There's so much stuff
Speaker 2: in here. It is such a cool story, and there's
Speaker 2: thing after thing after thing. But for time's sake, we'll
Speaker 2: just have to cut it down. Essentially, How is a
Speaker 2: very famous, well known and renowned physicist, and he's written
Speaker 2: a paper about superconduction superconductivity, and in that paper he
Speaker 2: describes exactly what Hudson, David Hudson has mentioned, which is
Speaker 2: that he finds when he's doing this process, and the way,
Speaker 2: the fact that he even is able to do this
Speaker 2: process was with what he has and get all these
Speaker 2: elements is insane, Like he has to get all sorts
Speaker 2: of crazy technology compiled to even get it to work
Speaker 2: in the first place. But when he does, he comes
Speaker 2: back with the fact that there is forty four percent
Speaker 2: of the mass of this whatever it is, right, is
Speaker 2: just disappearing. It's gone, and if he reheats it to
Speaker 2: a certain amount, he'll bring the mass back. But you're
Speaker 2: sitting at a square fifty six percent. Well, How put
Speaker 2: offs paper literally lines out that five ninths amount, which
Speaker 2: is exactly fifty six percent of the weight, which is
Speaker 2: now crazy the percentage it lines to the percentage.
Speaker 1: And he didn't know how put off until later. This
Speaker 1: is this is total a total sink, a total sync
Speaker 1: up that this gout how put off research lines up
Speaker 1: with this guy's findings. Wow, he's trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what what is this? That part's crazy?
Speaker 2: It is man, And what's really crazy? This is even
Speaker 2: crazier to me. This is what really got me thinking,
Speaker 2: especially on my second read through. The first read through,
Speaker 2: I remember I was thinking about it, but on the
Speaker 2: second I was like, wait.
Speaker 1: What So we got to tell people to what they discovered,
Speaker 1: like what they discovered? What was happening? I'll tell it
Speaker 1: in a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, So how put off paper is about
Speaker 2: super conductivity, Like I was mentioning in super conductivity under
Speaker 2: traditional understanding, traditional academic understanding is that that has to
Speaker 2: take place under ridiculously cold temperatures, like very close to
Speaker 2: absolute zero for that to even happen. And what super
Speaker 2: conductivity is, to clarify, is when electricity electromagnetism is allowed
Speaker 2: to flow without any impedance through a physical object.
Speaker 1: That's what that is.
Speaker 2: But Essentially what we what he was watching happen is
Speaker 2: he was doing the opposite. He was heating the thing,
Speaker 2: and the heating of this potential potentiality of the Philosopher's
Speaker 2: Stone was essentially losing mass, just like happens in super conductivity.
Speaker 2: But super conductivity is the absolute opposite, which is very wild.
Speaker 2: And what he was what he ended up telling How
Speaker 2: How ended up telling him put off that is gotcha.
Speaker 1: I gotta this one. They basically go for it. That
Speaker 1: the material was bending space time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and not only bending space time.
Speaker 1: Aka me is real, that's my little person. It's certain. Yes, No, dude,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely right.
Speaker 2: When I read this thing too, I was flying on
Speaker 2: a plane to Virginia, bro, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I couldn't put the book down.
Speaker 1: I was like, there's more to this story, like we
Speaker 1: can't we can't do it all today. That's fine, Like
Speaker 1: that's it in a nutshell though, Yes, right, I mean
Speaker 1: I think he ended up calling this stuff or miss Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right, he did well. And the only point I
Speaker 1: really kind of want.
Speaker 2: To put the bow here is that he what How
Speaker 2: tells him is what to me, like got me super excited.
Speaker 2: You just said, it's real. But what Hal tells him
Speaker 2: is essentially the matter that you're looking for is in
Speaker 2: another dimension. It's not here, which tells you it is
Speaker 2: on the materia prima. It's returned to the materia prima,
Speaker 2: which is why it's lost mass, which is why it's
Speaker 2: easy to transmute, because it's not working the same way.
Speaker 2: There's a portion of the Materia prima that's directly interacting
Speaker 2: with this substance, which is wild.
Speaker 1: Which could be see this could be misconstrued as witchcraft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as well, right, going back to like our talk early
Speaker 1: on in the episode where we're like, there's there is
Speaker 1: something more alchemy, something more supernatural. I think you used
Speaker 1: the word ritual, and I don't disagree. Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: a like it seems like a ritual element to some
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But also because what what we just
Speaker 1: explained seemed like magic, right, Yeah, I put it might
Speaker 1: just be a form of higher science that we just
Speaker 1: don't understand yet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well man, I mean really it's it's kind of
Speaker 2: what what what Pharrell mentions and you mentioned you referenced
Speaker 2: what he says about Adam, right that Adam was was was.
Speaker 1: Well acquainted with these concepts. These were not unfamiliar things. Uh,
Speaker 1: and today they get labeled as a cult because.
Speaker 2: We just don't understand exactly. And that's that's such a
Speaker 2: that's such a failure on the churches part, dude, it's
Speaker 2: a huge failure. Instead of addressing these things head on,
Speaker 2: we get terrified and say that they're a cultic. Well,
Speaker 2: a cultic just means you don't understand, bro. A cult
Speaker 2: is just like saying you're ignorant, Like, just call it
Speaker 2: what it is, you know, if you don't understand something.
Speaker 2: And the word I like in particular is arcane, because
Speaker 2: I think that that kind of avoids this whole you know,
Speaker 2: this boogeyman thing that's.
Speaker 1: Hiding behind everything.
Speaker 2: If you call something arcane, it just means not a
Speaker 2: lot of people know about it.
Speaker 1: Right. There's a quote in the book I thought that
Speaker 1: summed it up nicely, and that is doctor Frell says,
Speaker 1: you know, we have an mbred modern skepticism towards all
Speaker 1: things extraordinary. Yeah. Programmed, Yeah, a programmed to think. We're
Speaker 1: programmed to just dismiss or to think, oh it must
Speaker 1: be something weird or woo woo.
Speaker 2: Right' what's genius to me is that. And I mean
Speaker 2: no disrespect to anyone. I mean this and literally the
Speaker 2: most love I can possibly give. I'm American, but I've
Speaker 2: lived abroad, I've lived in other countries.
Speaker 1: I know what that's like.
Speaker 2: And I love my country to death. But I won't
Speaker 2: for a minute believe that you know that this is
Speaker 2: like the pinnacle of existence because we are so we
Speaker 2: have lost so much essential knowledge to even understanding why
Speaker 2: the Gospel is even relevant right to we've thrown it
Speaker 2: in the trash. And I think that this exploration of
Speaker 2: stuff just like this, of alchemy and things like it
Speaker 2: is a huge disservice not only to Christianity but humanity
Speaker 2: man in general. Like it's just it's it's laughable if we.
Speaker 1: Can mean well, I think it got stripped out. And
Speaker 1: I won't go into this because it's a love story.
Speaker 1: I've said all this a lot, but you know, I
Speaker 1: think I think it was stripped out of secular institutions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and we see that today with cern that
Speaker 1: they won't accept that there's you know, a supernatural or
Speaker 1: spiritual element to all this, which there is in my opinion,
Speaker 1: they won't accept it. And then going back to the
Speaker 1: church and that the service that has arrived out out
Speaker 1: of that. It's it's been stripped out of the churches
Speaker 1: as well as this super just this belief in the
Speaker 1: supernatural altogether. Bible is a very supernatural book, and you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily you get a very bare bones, dry dusty
Speaker 1: version of that in a lot of American churches today.
Speaker 1: So it's been it's coming from both areas, you know,
Speaker 1: both the secular and the spiritual in my opinion, or
Speaker 1: or we should call it not the spiritual, but the
Speaker 1: modern spiritual movements have been stripped of the supernatural. But
Speaker 1: you know, I used to think alchemy was this old
Speaker 1: dated mystery, but this is an invigorating subject. This happened
Speaker 1: what sixty years ago? Maybe maybe what hud Hudson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's more recent than that, fifty forty years.
Speaker 1: It's somewhere around there. Man, maybe, I mean, he's I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure he was. He was featured in that documentary.
Speaker 1: It's been a while since I've seen it, but they
Speaker 1: definitely referenced this case and that unique You've got to
Speaker 1: see it. But you know, this book is we I
Speaker 1: think we've illustrated by way of conversation today that this
Speaker 1: book is uh is has depth, has extreme depth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's decisively upbeat at the same time. Absolutely, stories
Speaker 1: like this are are are super upbeat, super invigorating, and like,
Speaker 1: so going back to what I skipped over, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got this whole part starting at page sixty four,
Speaker 1: and this is just for fun. He throws in all
Speaker 1: these old stories. These are great. These are awesome about
Speaker 1: how people you know, these are These are alchemists of
Speaker 1: old who were said to have actually done the deed
Speaker 1: and transmuted some substance in the gold. And it's like,
Speaker 1: see where do I start. You've got the sweetest general here.
Speaker 1: Let's see this is an interesting case, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is from seventeen oh five. Sweetest General Pikehole.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you say his last name, but
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's He's convicted of treason and sentenced to death.
Speaker 1: In an attempt to get out of that, he offers
Speaker 1: the king, King Charles Uh. He offers to give him
Speaker 1: a million crowns of gold annually, saying that he could
Speaker 1: produce it alchemically, and and he claims to have received
Speaker 1: this secret from a Polish officer named Lebinski, who had
Speaker 1: himself obtained it from a Corinthian priest. Now that's interesting,
Speaker 1: mm hmmm. That would suggest that someone in the Corinthian
Speaker 1: priesthood add access to this knowledge. So the king accepts
Speaker 1: the offer and they arrange a preliminary test to make
Speaker 1: sure that this guy wasn't full of it. He's it's there.
Speaker 1: The whole engagement is like heavily supervised. They have a
Speaker 1: British officer there of the Royal Artillery and all these
Speaker 1: other observers. So basically all the materials were prepped with
Speaker 1: great care in order to prevent the possibility of fraud.
Speaker 1: Right and uh, basically that's when this guy he adds
Speaker 1: his election and to a little bit of lead and
Speaker 1: a massive gold was produced. It's wild to the point
Speaker 1: where they have it recorded that it was going to
Speaker 1: weigh in at one hundred and forty seven doukats. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and they actually you know, struck a metal or
Speaker 1: or made a medal and put an inscription on the
Speaker 1: metal in Latin that kind of read that this guy
Speaker 1: I pay call cast this gold by chemical art and
Speaker 1: Stockholm in seventeen oh six. So the records are in
Speaker 1: the records are in folks. Now here's the thing. These
Speaker 1: stories for years have been dismissed, heavily, heavily dismissed. But
Speaker 1: he ferrel goes on to show more, you know, more stories,
Speaker 1: yeah about this. Like my favorite is probably Paris, because
Speaker 1: I've come across Paris a lot in my studies. Like,
Speaker 1: the Nazis invaded Paris in nineteen forty. I believe it was,
Speaker 1: Oh yes, And I think he brings us up, don't he.
Speaker 1: He may have. He may have later he gets in.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he no, he well, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he talked about this part, particularly that I'm
Speaker 1: about the layout. But when the Nazis invaded Paris in
Speaker 1: nineteen forty, the first because we know right that they
Speaker 1: they took they went to museums and they looked for gold,
Speaker 1: and they took art and all that stuff. Before they
Speaker 1: did all that, they went straight to the Freemason lodges.
Speaker 1: They raided the Freemason lodges first because they wanted that
Speaker 1: esoteric knowledge. Yeah, that's where they had it in value.
Speaker 1: They valued it above other riches. Right, And there was
Speaker 1: a guy who kind of spearheaded that. His name was
Speaker 1: Rosen Berg Alfred Rosenberg. I think he was a Nazi
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he's one of these neo pagans
Speaker 1: right openly a cult Nazis. And what what he was
Speaker 1: looking for in Paris we have record of this. Rosenberg
Speaker 1: was looking for the Philosopher's Stone because he knew about
Speaker 1: all these infamous Paris alchemists like Nicholas Famel and Faulconelly.
Speaker 1: At the time, Falconelly was rumored to still be around
Speaker 1: in the forties. But so there's a there's a story here.
Speaker 1: It's one of these Paris alchemist stories. It's called the
Speaker 1: Provincial Frenchman. Uh, let's see, I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: if I can just do this without reading it. There's
Speaker 1: a guy named Delicial. Yeah, he caused a sensation by claiming,
Speaker 1: with apparent good reason that he could train form iron
Speaker 1: and steel into gold. The news came to the ears
Speaker 1: of the Bishop of Sinez, who, after witnessing one of
Speaker 1: the Liesel's experiments, wrote to the Minister of State and
Speaker 1: the General of the Treasury in Paris that he could
Speaker 1: not resist the evidence of his senses. So anyway, in
Speaker 1: seventeen ten, the Lisel was summoned to lions wherein the
Speaker 1: presence of the Master of the Lions Mint. You know again,
Speaker 1: his is somebody who's there to observe and make sure
Speaker 1: there's no fraud. This is the Minister of the Mint,
Speaker 1: the guy who knows you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going to ask anybody to be
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He made a much show of distilling some unknown
Speaker 1: yellow liquid. So we're back to in a philosopher's stone,
Speaker 1: that's this elixir form. Yep. He then projected two drops
Speaker 1: of the liquid upon three ounces of pistol bullets fused
Speaker 1: with saltpeter and aluminum, and the molten mouse out on
Speaker 1: a piece of iron armor, where it appeared as pure
Speaker 1: gold and was tested and was tested to be gold.
Speaker 1: So they did the same thing here. They minted it,
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it. They made a
Speaker 1: medal that the gold thus obtained was coined by the
Speaker 1: Master of the Mint into medals, and they inscribed it
Speaker 1: and with Latin I think, and they said gold made
Speaker 1: by art. That's crazy. And then they put it in
Speaker 1: the Museum of Versailles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wondering if that's You gotta wonder if that's
Speaker 2: still there today. And and what's really cool about this
Speaker 2: story in particular is that he's just a commoner. He's
Speaker 2: not any kind of like really well respected, well known
Speaker 2: kind of individual.
Speaker 1: He's just he's just a.
Speaker 2: Commoner exactly right, right, who knows, right. But there's no
Speaker 2: there's nothing else written about his life, which is very interesting.
Speaker 2: You're like, well, he probably got you know, got the
Speaker 2: the the knife or the the firing squad or or were.
Speaker 1: They just or they locked this guy up in the basement.
Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, we're gonna up our per capita
Speaker 1: or whatever. They're gonna you know, they're gonna make themselves richer,
Speaker 1: more wealthy. They're gonna use the guy. I think they
Speaker 1: probably did. Speaking of the Nazis, what the Nazis did
Speaker 1: with a lot of their brilliant minds, they put them
Speaker 1: underground in these huge underground facilities, and they had them
Speaker 1: working on secret projects for the improvement of the empire,
Speaker 1: for the improvement and the extension of the empire. I'd see.
Speaker 1: That's why, because it says here, uh, you know, after
Speaker 1: this story, you can't find anything else out about this
Speaker 1: Delile guy. It says, it says of Delile's subsequent life
Speaker 1: history has nothing to relate, so you know, all could
Speaker 1: be true here, like you're they maybe they killed the
Speaker 1: guy eventually, yea, maybe they I don't know. Or maybe
Speaker 1: they put him underground and just made him put them
Speaker 1: to work, you know, whatever was more useful for them.
Speaker 1: For sure. You just don't want somebody like that to
Speaker 1: fall into the hands of your name.
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, man, I mean absolutely not. There's there's
Speaker 2: something you mentioned too, by the way, about them looking
Speaker 2: there in Paris. I remember reading and maybe I'm maybe
Speaker 2: I'm just like projecting or forgetting, but I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I do know that alchemy is also referred to the
Speaker 2: emerald tablets of thought, and that is specifically what the
Speaker 2: Nazis were calling it when they were looking for this knowledge,
Speaker 2: when they were when they were poking around in France.
Speaker 1: That specifically they had a version of thought that they
Speaker 1: called Toot. Yeah that's right. Yeah, that so there was
Speaker 1: a Germanized God, little g God that they derived from thought.
Speaker 1: And and aside, note I'm starting to think so, so
Speaker 1: you know, they took the Egyptian antheon and they germinized
Speaker 1: it essentially. I think it was too. I think it
Speaker 1: was t e U T or something like totem is
Speaker 1: what they called it, but it was their version of thought,
Speaker 1: and they also had a version of I think I'm
Speaker 1: starting to think that they had a version of Ishtar
Speaker 1: as well, and they called her a stara or oh yeah,
Speaker 1: a start right. Well, yes, I think it may have
Speaker 1: been a start day. I know that.
Speaker 2: The only reason I mentioned that is because it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's the etymological roots, like that's that's my that's
Speaker 2: my favorite rate, man, that's my bread and butter. You
Speaker 2: asked me like, oh, well, how did this come? Well,
Speaker 2: I want to know what it says, and I want
Speaker 2: to know where it came from. That's how you find it, man,
Speaker 2: That's how you find this stuff. Like just follow the trails,
Speaker 2: just like all the money. You follow the words, you
Speaker 2: find it.
Speaker 1: Bro. Yeah, yeah, So what I didn't mean to derail
Speaker 1: you though, you're about the thought thing that the Latchens
Speaker 1: were kind of reproduce what they.
Speaker 2: I just think that it's very interesting that that they
Speaker 2: had already made that connection and that that's like a
Speaker 2: code word, if not a I don't know what would
Speaker 2: we call it, a uh, socio religious kind of terminology
Speaker 2: that they were using for it. They were already calling
Speaker 2: this the Emerald Tablets of thought. They were calling these
Speaker 2: these tablets. They were calling them like essentially the the
Speaker 2: information they were looking for, so to speak.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Yeah, absolutely, it's in it. It's
Speaker 1: very interesting how history has seemed to forget all the
Speaker 1: occult ties to Nazi occult themes, even better to to
Speaker 1: Nazi Germany. And I mean, like even that Ostara that
Speaker 1: just jog my memory. There was a and I won't
Speaker 1: go into all this, but like my research, what I
Speaker 1: found are these guys. I've been calling them the Shamans
Speaker 1: of the Third Reich. They're the people who were essentially
Speaker 1: just that they were influencers to all your major Nazis.
Speaker 1: They were influencers to that Rosenberg guy, to Hitler himself,
Speaker 1: to Heimrich Kimler, to Rudolph Has, all those guys. All
Speaker 1: those Nazis had their their favorite neopagan shaman as you do,
Speaker 1: just one does if you're a Nazi, especially uh and
Speaker 1: and one of those guys was your Glantz von Liebensfields
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Do you know that name? Major major influence
Speaker 1: on Hitler. You might be people might be hearing this
Speaker 1: here first, because this is not very well known. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of these shamans, right, This guy Rudolf
Speaker 1: v on Sebottendorf is one. Walter Mahaus is one Guido
Speaker 1: von Leist and I could just keep going. They're the
Speaker 1: influencers of Nazi Germany anyway, your glance. Von Liebensfield's produced
Speaker 1: a magazine published a magazine called Ostara, named after this
Speaker 1: German goddess that I suspect is the Sumerian and or
Speaker 1: h or a Saturday. And that was Hitler's favorite magazine
Speaker 1: before he even became Hitler. He was reading a Star
Speaker 1: of magazine when he became when he became Hitler, the
Speaker 1: Hitler we know, the Chancellor of Germany. He was said
Speaker 1: to have had a collection of over fifty magazines, all
Speaker 1: Astara that kind of travel with him like anytime he
Speaker 1: go somewhere with his magazine collection. So he was super
Speaker 1: into this stuff. Wow, And I could just keep going
Speaker 1: with example after example here. But the Nazis were into
Speaker 1: this and like to come back around to like physics, right,
Speaker 1: because we talked a lot about physics here. There was
Speaker 1: a guy named Manfried von Ardine. I know that name.
Speaker 1: He was a physicist who worked for the Nazis. He
Speaker 1: actually built a crew TV in nineteen thirty one as well.
Speaker 1: Very smart guy, really, yes, because the Nazis put out
Speaker 1: probably one of the first TVs because they I think
Speaker 1: they rolled it out for the Olympics in thirty five
Speaker 1: or thirty seven or whatever it was. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: these were the first broadcast yeah exactly. But this guy
Speaker 1: built one in thirty one, right. But he was also
Speaker 1: a physicist and I think he got into He's one
Speaker 1: of these guys that was working underground for them, right
Speaker 1: in these underground facilities that were ran like guys from
Speaker 1: Ran From, guys like Hans Kamler and Jacob Spormer. They
Speaker 1: had the Nazi secret weapons project going on and it
Speaker 1: was running full glass because when Hitler opened up the
Speaker 1: Second Front with Russia, they were in over their heads
Speaker 1: and they needed a miracle weapon. So they had these
Speaker 1: guys working overtime. One of those guys is this Manfred guy.
Speaker 1: Now what's interesting here is the Russians got him after
Speaker 1: the war. We didn't. This gets into the Bell project
Speaker 1: and all that. So I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: the Nazi Bell or the Declock stuff we just we
Speaker 1: don't know much about over here because a lot of
Speaker 1: that technology probably went to the Russians. So Manfried he
Speaker 1: goes to Russia, he gets a Stalin Prize for his work.
Speaker 1: Colleagues of his in interviews would later recount that he
Speaker 1: when when they'd get around him and he'd start telling
Speaker 1: his war stories, he said he was witnessed two D
Speaker 1: glock back in Germany. Hmmm. So what they did was
Speaker 1: the Soviets, working with Manfried uh and other former Nazi scientists,
Speaker 1: developed they developed nuclear fusion from this guy wow and
Speaker 1: what they called the tokamac oh wow. And this cause
Speaker 1: this is going to get us into red mercury, right
Speaker 1: because we know Manfried was working with isotopes for the Russians,
Speaker 1: and we know in this book Farrell presents a good
Speaker 1: case that they had developed a laser for the separation
Speaker 1: of isotopes. Yeah. Yeah, Mercury has seven isotopes. So I
Speaker 1: think that that fell right into what they were working
Speaker 1: with was mercury. And I you know, specifically what his
Speaker 1: team was doing was they were We know that Feral
Speaker 1: says they were using lasers. They probably were. They probably
Speaker 1: developed one of the first lasers or early prototypes, but
Speaker 1: we know that they were also doing electromagnetic separation of isotopes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and which is the more common knowledge, right right, right,
Speaker 1: and moncular like molecular techniques for separating uranium and all that. Right.
Speaker 1: So I think the Nazis had a handle on red mercury, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the alchemical use of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that's the serum five to five?
Speaker 1: Possibly? You know, I had to I didn't have time
Speaker 1: to read that part of the book. Unfortunately, you're good men.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go back and read that that
Speaker 1: particular part. That's what I was.
Speaker 2: Man, it took me a long time reading this book
Speaker 2: just because I so many things going on. But uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's uh yeah, it's a page turner, dude. This
Speaker 2: whole thing is a p I'm curious, I just just
Speaker 2: out of curiosity here.
Speaker 1: Have you ever read, uh, well that the Indian vaded
Speaker 1: texts play into this too, but I know that's something
Speaker 1: I Have you done research on that, by the way, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's cool. Were putting they were using red mercury. So
Speaker 1: I just spared everybody the details there with with where
Speaker 1: I was going with that. Basically, with scientists like Manfred
Speaker 1: Dardine that I think the Nazis were able to develop
Speaker 1: an early TOKENMAC prototype, something they used probably for free energy.
Speaker 1: They probably tapping into that and anti gravity as well.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they built a straight up UFO. I
Speaker 1: do think they got something left off the ground though.
Speaker 1: I think they were working on it, and plays a
Speaker 1: big role in that because if you put mercury in
Speaker 1: a taurus like a tokamac, which Manfrey develops four of
Speaker 1: the Russians he develops the first tokamac for them. You
Speaker 1: with that mercury, you magnetize the taurus and you you
Speaker 1: if you rotate the mercury and you like pressurize it
Speaker 1: and maybe electrify, you get anti gravity properties as well.
Speaker 1: You get alchemical flight essentially, and that's what is described
Speaker 1: in the ancient Indian invaded text they talk about literally
Speaker 1: they say you put mercury in a flying disc and
Speaker 1: they called him v Monas.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, so it's the text I and you need
Speaker 2: to get into. Hey, I'm just curious, have you read
Speaker 2: before I don't know how to say it before, Hitler,
Speaker 2: have you read that book before?
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to order it though. That was that
Speaker 1: was uh Liban Fields, right, your glance on leaving Field's book. No,
Speaker 1: that was sorry, spotan Doorhip.
Speaker 2: That's when I'm when I was reading through this, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's one I would have to It's
Speaker 2: I'm really curious about the work.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm derailing this my bad. No, no, you're good.
Speaker 1: No that No, that's that works because it's interesting there
Speaker 1: is that that's probably more aligned with the true story
Speaker 1: of what actually happened there. When that book came out,
Speaker 1: the Nazi shut it down. Oh big time quick. Uh.
Speaker 1: They they banned publication of it, They burnt copies they
Speaker 1: could get their hands on. They they literally shut it down.
Speaker 1: And I suspect they did so because they didn't want
Speaker 1: that true story getting out there. That they basically based
Speaker 1: everything they did off of the occult everything, and Spottanorf
Speaker 1: was a big part of that. The guy who wrote
Speaker 1: the book, they because they used his He created the
Speaker 1: Thuley Society. He realized that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, so, and
Speaker 1: the Thuley Society became the Workers Party, which became the
Speaker 1: Nazi Party. Right right, Duley Society was using the swastika. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had a bent version of like.
Speaker 2: Which is such a it's such a misnote that actually
Speaker 2: plays directly and I mean you you probably already know
Speaker 2: this in your audience probably likely knows it as well.
Speaker 2: But I just think it's really fascinating that that, I mean,
Speaker 2: what what the swastika actually means, right, is talking about
Speaker 2: the actual torsion of the universe itself, right, the torsionary
Speaker 2: nature of the universe, which plays right back into the
Speaker 2: materia prima why, which is why it's so relevant to
Speaker 2: the Nazi symbol. I mean, it plays into the material prema,
Speaker 2: It plays into the philosopher's stone, it plays into the
Speaker 2: actual use of how to levitate things, right that they
Speaker 2: were working towards that, which is essentially you you get
Speaker 2: this the the what is it called the tim off
Speaker 2: the top of my head, and I remember farm is
Speaker 2: it the Farmland Conversations? Is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the farm tapes or whatever? That yeah, yeah something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and and right then and there, right, you're
Speaker 2: already seeing it's really interesting. This is from from a
Speaker 2: linguistic perspective. That's what's so interesting.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You see what they call these lasers, They call them
Speaker 2: death rays, which which is so telling, Like you're like, well,
Speaker 2: what do you want it for? Well, obviously you know
Speaker 2: what they want it for, right, Like they're going to
Speaker 2: give it a name like death rays. What are they
Speaker 2: what are they researching it for? That's the only thing
Speaker 2: they could want it for.
Speaker 1: And so it may have come out of that laser
Speaker 1: that they developed to separate isotopes. I'm sure it did,
Speaker 1: you know, or one led to the others kind of
Speaker 1: like that's one of the thoughts behind that, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, there was another Nazi facility
Speaker 1: that near Lynz where blueprints were found they're of unknown
Speaker 1: engines that ran on mercury. This was a Nazi facility
Speaker 1: where they so you know, there's a there's a whole
Speaker 1: you know, this is late in the program to open
Speaker 1: up too many doors, but there's you could go down
Speaker 1: the red mercury thing and like I've found, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and also like so they they I think
Speaker 1: they knew how to use that and they were preparing
Speaker 1: to use that to put in some sort of flying device,
Speaker 1: or they were or they they figured out the free
Speaker 1: energy capabilities, yeah, or both or both. Because there are
Speaker 1: articles that I've come across. One was I think one
Speaker 1: was an Israeli magazine, and one was maybe a Norwegian
Speaker 1: magazine or newspaper. They ran these articles where they talked
Speaker 1: about how they found a German u boat from the
Speaker 1: war and they went down there and they had to
Speaker 1: bury it in concrete and rubble because they were afraid
Speaker 1: of the content seeping out into the ocean because of
Speaker 1: what it had on board was tons of mercury. WHOA, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Germans were taking it somewhere somewhere in Indonesia or Japan.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's exactly right. But they had their hands on
Speaker 1: all this red mercury, and there's never been a efficient
Speaker 1: reason as to why. Yeah, I think it goes back
Speaker 1: to this stuff we're talking about. I think you're absolutely right, man.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that that you know, and what's
Speaker 2: that's what's so fascinating about about alchemy itself, right, There's
Speaker 2: so many applications that they could use that for, like
Speaker 2: a ton of applications, not only weapons, but obviously you know,
Speaker 2: the glock and stuff like that. I mean, you get
Speaker 2: just thing after thing after thing that this was like there,
Speaker 2: I mean, this was their their their golden calf, so
Speaker 2: to speak. This was the prize for that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you know what you since you mentioned
Speaker 1: this thing about earlier about some of this knowledge and
Speaker 1: making its way to China, right too, maybe even further
Speaker 1: south Asia, right, But and we were and I was
Speaker 1: kind of like thinking, you know, maybe one of Noah's
Speaker 1: sons went down there and put that with him, like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of this knowledge is still there and
Speaker 1: to bed. Yeah, and the Chinese have their hands on it.
Speaker 1: But it's that for sure, because that's where the Nazis went.
Speaker 1: They took that that excursion to Tibet. They went to
Speaker 1: the little city of Lahasa where there's a fortified Tibetan
Speaker 1: library there. Who knows how old it is, but that's
Speaker 1: where all these Vedic texts are stored, and they and
Speaker 1: they spell out this alchemical flight, right. So, and the
Speaker 1: Chinese government recently came out and said they sent a
Speaker 1: team in to Lahasa to the library and book UH
Speaker 1: some of the Vedic texts, and UH implemented they were
Speaker 1: going to implement it in their space program, their current
Speaker 1: space program. Of course they are. And it's all this
Speaker 1: Vimana stuff, man, that's you know, occult Nazis and Vimanas.
Speaker 1: I wanted to at least touch on it because he
Speaker 1: does have a part in the book here about you know,
Speaker 1: diacolt Nazis, esoteric nationalism and all that, but it's it's
Speaker 1: really good. This was good man, Yeah, good stuff. This
Speaker 1: is fun.
Speaker 2: I I hesitate to even bring up China because I
Speaker 2: could talk about that all day, dude, But yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: That's where ilse going with that is that I think
Speaker 1: that knowledge ended up down there.
Speaker 2: So well, there there's a there's a slight mention in
Speaker 2: the book right of Hong who who is essentially.
Speaker 1: What do we call it.
Speaker 2: He's he's recognized as having created the elixir of life, right,
Speaker 2: the the the eternal, and it's in a pill form.
Speaker 2: So we're going back to the powder. But what's what
Speaker 2: was so fascinating to me, Tim was that the way
Speaker 2: this dude did it right. He said that you needed
Speaker 2: absolute hermeticism, which is, you know, total isolation from everyone else,
Speaker 2: so that that allows you kind of a spiritual channel
Speaker 2: to to you know, kind of work with or or
Speaker 2: kind of bacon. But what's really crazy is that he's like,
Speaker 2: you need a high mountain. You can't just go to
Speaker 2: any mountain. It has to be a high mountain. I'm like,
Speaker 2: of course, it freaking has to be a high mountain.
Speaker 2: Where else would you go to commune with with the highers? Right,
Speaker 2: like it's as wild dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something to that too. The higher places,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's all throughout the Old Testament where
Speaker 1: God kind of orders them to take down what they
Speaker 1: call the high places. Yeah, because the Shamans were going
Speaker 1: up there and you using that for some reason like
Speaker 1: the elevation or something. Yeah, you know, you find it
Speaker 1: in the in the Tower of Babbel story as well.
Speaker 1: They had to go up high and to the earth
Speaker 1: or then to the atmosphere to do you I think
Speaker 1: that that was for a portal. Personally, I think they
Speaker 1: were trying to open up a portal there potentially to
Speaker 1: go back to the Garden of the Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's because it reads in Genesis. It almost reads as
Speaker 1: if God when God sealed that off, it was it's
Speaker 1: kind of, I don't know, for better mind visible up
Speaker 1: in the up in the air.
Speaker 2: A buddy of mine thinks that well, so if you
Speaker 2: look at Heyser's work, he really he really believes that
Speaker 2: it's kind of common knowledge now amongst most academics that
Speaker 2: have to do with where the Garden of Eden was
Speaker 2: was on a hilltop.
Speaker 1: It was on a mountain, right, And.
Speaker 2: What a buddy of mine, David Paxton shout out to
Speaker 2: the Hidden Day podcast, he believes that essentially that when
Speaker 2: Eden was closed off, it was closed off by a
Speaker 2: plasma sword. He was like completely like a big old
Speaker 2: plasma field covered over that and that heated the entrance
Speaker 2: anymore after that, And so yeah, you would.
Speaker 1: But it was it was up high, right yep yep.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so yeah, man, that's that's crazy. And I
Speaker 1: you know, but whatever they were doing at the Tower
Speaker 1: of Babbel, they were using elevation to well.
Speaker 2: It's really weird to him that when you think about
Speaker 2: the Tower Babbel, because the Tower Babbel actually was built
Speaker 2: in a valley, which is super weird. It's in the
Speaker 2: valley of Shinar and obviously they were building up. I
Speaker 2: mean they would, you know, if you're building some sort
Speaker 2: of tower, erecting some sort of a zigarot, right like
Speaker 2: you're going up. But the curious thing is is like
Speaker 2: why why in a valley like there was clearly something.
Speaker 1: Lay lines there.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true too, but that's true too, that's true too.
Speaker 2: But I would say, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Think it was some sort of a vortex point.
Speaker 2: It must have been, dude, because there's no reason to
Speaker 2: build in a valley when you're gonna go for elevation.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we know, at least some of us.
Speaker 1: I have a good, strong suspicion that the lay lines
Speaker 1: are very real. Oh. I'm convinced that they're real. The
Speaker 1: ancient people built their temples and cities and structures on them,
Speaker 1: and they line up.
Speaker 2: Well, we're we're we're reticent to believe that. You know,
Speaker 2: the magnetic field that guides all creatures on Earth works
Speaker 2: just fine, but there's no such thing as lay lines.
Speaker 2: Give me a break, dude.
Speaker 1: Come on, geometric. There's probably a geometric form to it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot, if you will almost yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and like I love all this research. We can start
Speaker 1: to wrap it up here. You mentioned Heiser just to
Speaker 1: just to kind of touch on something that we were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, to do with how shady some of
Speaker 1: this information can be perceived by people, especially in the
Speaker 1: Christian community. I just want to say this. If Heiser
Speaker 1: hadn't gone into the esoteric realms, I don't know that
Speaker 1: we would be having a conversation at the divine counsel,
Speaker 1: and many other many other very important spiritual concepts that
Speaker 1: you find in the Bible. He had to go there though, right,
Speaker 1: he had to look at the esoteric realms to sort
Speaker 1: of bring clarity to up to other doctrines.
Speaker 2: If you don't get your hands dirty, then you don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about, right.
Speaker 1: And I think the alchemy topic is important because the
Speaker 1: super nautral well, it's it's it's a part of this.
Speaker 1: It was taken out of early science, like I said,
Speaker 1: and it was taken out of these early pockets of
Speaker 1: believers or something it was. I don't know, man, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: science became secular alchemy and the church became secular religion. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a that's a statement. It is important to
Speaker 2: dig into this stuff. And I'll tell you in particular
Speaker 2: why there are not many things tim that we can
Speaker 2: do as humans that directly affect the divine. There are
Speaker 2: a few, which is prayer, you know, meditation as well,
Speaker 2: fasting is another. But this alchemical process does clearly does
Speaker 2: have a spiritual implication to it, and it has a
Speaker 2: spiritual effect.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, this this this substance wouldn't be losing mass. That
Speaker 2: was like, that was like the clincher for me, dude.
Speaker 2: When when I read that Hudson found out that forty
Speaker 2: four percent of that mass was gone, I was like,
Speaker 2: it went to the freaking spiritual realm. What a wild
Speaker 2: thing to happen. That's that's so like, it's so unbelievable, right,
Speaker 2: and so you understand that it's not spiritual realm one
Speaker 2: on top of the other. It's it's fused, bro, Like
Speaker 2: they're they're like this, they're interlocked.
Speaker 1: So that's my final thought. Anywow, No, that's a good
Speaker 1: final thought to end it on. It is it is Wow,
Speaker 1: that's it man. I mean, I don't know how close
Speaker 1: we are to this other realm, but I've often referred
Speaker 1: to it as a neighboring realm, and I do think,
Speaker 1: I do think we're interlocked with it. And you know,
Speaker 1: people have even suggested that the ether is something that
Speaker 1: happens in relation to Well, so if we're up against
Speaker 1: this realm and there is this fusion, there's there's going
Speaker 1: to be telltale signs of that. There's going to be reactions,
Speaker 1: there's to be you know, maybe even a reactionary substance
Speaker 1: between our realm and the spiritual. There you go and
Speaker 1: let's go. So there's all kinds of fun stuff here
Speaker 1: for people to unlock. Code man, So this has been
Speaker 1: that's right. Thanks for coming on. Tell everybody where they
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Speaker 2: that's I think that's it. That pretty much covers it.
Speaker 1: Thank you as always, break the mold, Conquer the realm,
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