WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:16.039 Yet I asked him, it's not an alien force already. 2 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:16.199 Among. 3 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:20.760 Welcome back to the show. Got to go and plan 4 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.199 for you tonight. We're going to get into some fun subjects, 5 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.399 maybe a little bit of alchemy, maybe some Nazi stuff. 6 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:30.239 We'll see where it goes. Joining me is the host 7 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:34.359 of the Christian Theological Dark Web, Ricky. Thanks for coming on. 8 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:38.280 Man, Absolutely, Tim, dude, what a pleasure. I've caught some 9 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:43.079 of your stuff before. Man, really great content. Shelley is 10 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:45.840 my co host, and she was like, dud, just go 11 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:48.079 do the show. You're interested in alchemy, go do it, 12 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:50.880 all right, I'll do it. So this is kind of 13 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:52.600 my first play solo mission. 14 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:54.560 She could have come on too. I didn't even think 15 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:57.520 about that. I know, I thought maybe she would. But 16 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.479 you know, either way, either way, we're gonna with it. 17 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:02.520 It's all good. We'll have you back on at some point. 18 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:05.000 And then we get to both the interview. Bro, there 19 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.239 we go. But I'm sorry, finish your thought. 20 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.400 Oh no, no, you're fine, You're fine it So anyway, 21 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:13.239 we we ended up. Oh, I don't remember where I 22 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:16.159 was even going with this. What we were just saying was. 23 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:19.040 Just something about a podcast I put out perhaps. 24 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.400 Oh yes, yes, and Shelley actually my co host was 25 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:25.680 the one that recommended, uh, the one about it had 26 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:28.920 to do with like blood sacrifices or the power of 27 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:30.159 blood or something like that. 28 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.000 Can't remember who this was. Probably Ed Maybrey, That's yeah, 29 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:34.719 that's who it was. 30 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.840 It was a great, great podcast, really interesting information, really 31 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:39.719 really good vibe too. 32 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:42.719 Man, Thank you, thank you. Really really cool. I thought, 33 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:44.879 for some reason, I thought you were going to talk 34 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.359 about this Secrets of Gold episode I put out a 35 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:51.480 long time ago. Oh okay, And it was because it's 36 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.239 an alchemical kind of a thing. It's like, yeah, it 37 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.239 was like one of my first alchemy shows I ever 38 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:02.120 did was on Just Through the Age is how the 39 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:06.239 role of Gold in the Esoteric arts? Yeah, and I 40 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.919 mean we barely even scratched the surface, you know, knowing 41 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:11.680 some of the stuff I know now and some of 42 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:13.599 the stuff that's in this book that we're going to 43 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.280 talk about. I mean, but like, ask me that question 44 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.240 again about the You asked me something before the show, 45 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:23.360 and I was like, let's just let's just start the show. 46 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.039 Oh, I was talking about that. There was a promo 47 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.919 that you had I saw on on Instagram. The other day, 48 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.560 and it was some Nazis' face and I had a 49 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.960 red stone beside it, and I was like, Philosopher's stone, Nazis, 50 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:36.159 is he already doing this? 51 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:38.319 And I just wasn't aware. Was are we talking about 52 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:42.560 the same thing? No, I wasn't already doing it. However, 53 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:47.599 I went on the Biblical Hitman talk, oh right, and 54 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:52.800 was talking about occult Nazism in the esoteric arts and 55 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:56.879 all that, et cetera. Right, they somehow alchemy came up. No, 56 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:03.199 the Philosopher's Stone specifically came up. So and it's crazy 57 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:07.759 because I wasn't ready for that question, but I did 58 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.080 my best on there to like answer that on the fly. Yeah, 59 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:16.479 on the fly. And it's crazy because since that show, well, 60 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:18.680 basically on that show, the answer I gave was me 61 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:23.199 pulling from like the library in my mind, like stuff 62 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:27.000 I've read in al chemical texts. I was like on 63 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.360 the show trying to remember, like, Okay, what are some 64 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:32.800 of the highlights of this that I know I've read 65 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:36.400 from books from like the fifteen, sixteen, seventeen hundreds. So 66 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:38.039 I like try to give him that answer. But it's 67 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:41.800 funny because since then I knew you and I were 68 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.000 going to do this show. So I got to reading 69 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:45.840 in this book we're gonna talk about today. It's The 70 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:50.879 Philosopher's Stone by Joseph Ferrell, and I've got a page 71 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:52.639 in here and I'll get to it because it's in 72 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:56.680 my notes and i'll get to it later. But basically, 73 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:03.719 his sort of description of the Philosopher's Stone from the 74 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:08.759 text he's pulling from matched closely the answer I gave 75 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:13.800 on Man I was like, yes, I did get it. 76 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.519 I did get it right, because the Philosopher's Stone is tricky. 77 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.839 It's a lot of different things with different people, right, yeah, Well, 78 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:20.600 and it. 79 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.800 Is actually a lot of different things, you know, in 80 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:27.319 particular it you know, we use the word stone and 81 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.199 that that's a misnomer, as you probably well know. And 82 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.240 if your audience has followed for any time, you know anything, 83 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:34.319 you've talked about alchemy. 84 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:35.399 Alchemy is so. 85 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:41.399 Tricky with with verbiage. It's so tricky with esoteric and exoteric. Right, So, 86 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.800 like people can understand the basic concept of what the 87 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:49.959 Philosopher's Stone is and does, but like how it's confection, 88 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:54.240 how it's you know, brought about, what it draws on, 89 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.480 what it really implies, you know, to have it, use it, 90 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.800 desire it, all those things, right, Like it's very it's 91 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.759 it's a very tricky subject. So you know, I applaud you, dude. 92 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:06.600 That's it's tough. It is tough. 93 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:11.199 Yeah, well you know it's and this is the point 94 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:16.360 that I tried to get across on that show. Depends 95 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:21.480 on who you read, right, depends on because there's I mean, 96 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:23.759 I think who was it when I was when I 97 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:28.839 looked into Nicholas Flamel he I found out that there 98 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:33.519 was three different types of Philosopher's stone that you sort 99 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.600 of see throughout history, and I don't remember one is 100 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.480 a red stone, like like in that promo for that 101 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.360 episode they showed that red stone so much, that famous red. 102 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.920 Stone, which is kind of the typical thing that everybody 103 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:46.959 thinks of, right when you think Harry Potter, and. 104 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.279 You're like, it's a red stone, of course, right, right, 105 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:52.480 But then there's other colors, and there's three other stones 106 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:54.920 that you know, sort of pop up, so or two 107 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.319 I would rather that pop up in addition to that one. 108 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:03.240 So and it it's it's quite an enigma because it's 109 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:07.160 not always a stone. Sometimes it's a powder, yep. Sometimes 110 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:12.040 it's a tincture or a literature. Yep, right exactly. So 111 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.120 we'll get into some of that today. Man. I'm excited 112 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.920 to that's that's you know, that's the philosopher's stone, man, 113 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.000 the enigma that it is. We'll chip away at it today. 114 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.480 Yeah, absolutely, man. Well take it away, brother, this is 115 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:23.920 this is your. 116 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:25.480 Your show man, bring it home. 117 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:25.639 Bro. 118 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.040 What do you think to do it? Man? When you're 119 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.160 talking about this author who we're talking about today, doctor 120 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:36.439 Joseph P. Farrell. This is someone who does epic breakdowns. Yes, 121 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.279 I heard him recently, uh, talking about the concept of 122 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:46.480 creating something out of nothing and it gets this gets 123 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:51.199 into Genesis right in the box. Sure. Uh. And it 124 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:53.680 takes a mind like Pharaoh though, to lay that kind 125 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:56.759 of a thing out in a very precise way. So 126 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:01.439 he's he's talking about how you see this cross mythologies, 127 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:03.959 this this something out of nothing like it's in the 128 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.600 Kalavalla I've found. I don't know if he brought that up, 129 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.240 but I do see it in that myth and I 130 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.839 know Tolkien wrote about it too, because Tolkien put out 131 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:19.199 that semarilliant book which is like the origin story to 132 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:23.439 the Lord of the Rings universe. Tolkien is drawing heavily 133 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.439 from the Kalabalah folk or Finish folklore in that in 134 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:28.920 that so what he's had, what he shows in there 135 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:33.600 is that this sort of like an angelic race pre 136 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:38.199 exists the earth, pre exists mankind. They sing things into existence. 137 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:44.319 They use vibration frequency to sing things into existence. And 138 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.120 there's if you go real deep into the esoteric aspects 139 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:51.839 of Genesis and how God created or spoke in the beginning, 140 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:53.959 was the word, and the word was God. It is 141 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.000 a similar kind of a concept. 142 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.759 Perhaps well, and and that's man, that's one of the 143 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.920 coolest things about this, right, like to me as I 144 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.199 started reading this, and as I went back and took 145 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.040 notes on this, because I you know, I left my 146 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:09.959 little my little notes, and I left my little things 147 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.279 like here and there in the books I could come 148 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:11.879 back and revisit. 149 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:12.519 I mean, look at my. 150 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:15.399 Book, for God's sake, it's all. It's all like, yeah. 151 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:17.839 Well, I thought mine was in h was a beat 152 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:21.759 up condition and not mine. It was new. Bro. Mine 153 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:24.920 was brand new. And it's like totally that's how it 154 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.480 was supposed to be. Bro. That's right. 155 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.680 And Uh, one thing that I've really when I was 156 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.279 rereading this and I had this concept in my head 157 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:36.320 right like it's It's very fascinating because when you read 158 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.879 a book like this with so much content and then 159 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:42.320 you reread it, you're like, oh, yes, okay, I'm solidifying 160 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.399 this idea that I already had, and now this makes 161 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:47.759 it a little bit clearer. And one of the coolest 162 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:51.480 things about this is that it it And I'll even 163 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.120 mention I pulled for my notes here in a second, 164 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:58.639 but it essentially mentions that alchemy was one of three 165 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:04.919 essential what we call them, kind of cornerstones in the 166 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.840 fabric of the universe or the fabric of the understanding 167 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:10.480 of the universe and the way that everything worked together. Right, 168 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.759 So you had essentially let me pull it up real 169 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:15.200 quick here before before I mess it up on my own. 170 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:17.200 Yeah, I'm going to add to that while you pull 171 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:21.240 it up. It because Farrell says something else recently that 172 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:22.960 I heard that I heard that stuck with me, and 173 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.159 he was talking about free energy essentially, and I think 174 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:27.799 this is going to play off of what you're talking 175 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.759 about right now. If Farrell said, you know, something along 176 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:32.919 the lines of I'm paraphrasing there really is no such 177 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.440 thing as free energy, because he's like, I don't know 178 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.480 why they call it that, because they're getting it from somewhere. 179 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.039 I think. I think that's the ticket here. I get 180 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:44.759 why it's called free energy because it's it's in nature, 181 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:46.879 it's free. I get it. But he's saying, no, you're 182 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.840 essentially borrowing it or taking it from somewhere. I think 183 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.320 that's the ticket. The ticket being we have forces all 184 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.600 around us all the time. It's just a matter of 185 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.720 tapping into them, knowing how to utilize them. That's the 186 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.320 key to the conversation we're going to have today because 187 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.720 for me, that's a big part of alchemy in my opinion, 188 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:08.679 is tapping it into the natural, like atmospheric forces, whether 189 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:12.080 it be a force filled a rock or a herb. Yeah. 190 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:14.399 No, And you made a really important point there when 191 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.960 you said that he makes a distinction between free energy 192 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.120 and it being drawn from somebody, right, because there's there's 193 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:24.080 a linguistic misnomer there when you say that it's free energy, 194 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:29.000 because that implies that it's not coming from anything or anyone. 195 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:30.919 Is a better way to say it, right, like that 196 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.919 there's no actual source that it's coming from that, it's 197 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:39.320 just kind of a absent process, you know, just kind 198 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:42.240 of happening. And if anything, you know, good God man, 199 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.799 I mean I can't I can't imagine anybody even with 200 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.879 an exoteric like the most basic understanding of alchemy, you 201 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:54.440 have to know that there's some spiritual component, you know, automatically, 202 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.440 like I mean, it's like encrusted into the very concept 203 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.279 of alchemy itself. Right, Alchemy is a spiritual undertaking by nature. Right, 204 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:07.080 You're you're literally like enacting more of a ritual than 205 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.720 you are an actual chemical formula, although the chemical formula 206 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.279 helps you get to that purpose, right, Like, that's really 207 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:15.399 what it is. And I think that that pulls right 208 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.279 back from what you were just saying, Tim, which is 209 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:21.240 that free energy is not really free, like it actually 210 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.759 does come from someone now who you think that someone is. 211 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:29.360 Right or something different? Right? Something? Sure? Sure, though, I'm 212 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:33.120 with you, like, uh, what it means is a sentience 213 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.559 if just to just to clarify that's what we want. 214 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.759 That's where my mind went to as well. And I see, yeah, 215 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.639 and that's not necessarily embodied by something all the time, 216 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.159 although it can be right and I'm correcting you, I'm 217 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.840 just saying I'm just thinking about it out loud. It's like, 218 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.279 even that's that this is force field idea, but the 219 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:56.360 force field has sentience. Yes, I think I think modern 220 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.279 science has discovered this. Man. I did a big deep 221 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.759 dive on lately, and if you breed their sort of 222 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:05.159 mission state, they since since I started talking about it, 223 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.120 they took it down. And I don't know it because 224 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:08.879 of me or what, but you know, I just thought 225 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:10.360 it was funny. But they used to have a mission 226 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:14.200 statement on their website that talked about the the Higgs 227 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:18.080 Boson particle and basically they laid out their idea of 228 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.440 the Big Bang. And they keep talking about referencing this 229 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:27.480 force field and they're doing it just the right way. 230 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:31.320 So it's scientific and not spiritual, right, Yeah, they don't 231 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:34.639 want to acknowledge, but I think it's sentient with yours. 232 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.039 Yeah, man, I mean absolutely in it. And we see, 233 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:38.919 I mean we see this kind of thing with with 234 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:44.000 you know, UFO abductees. What they what they make claims 235 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:48.279 about regarding the actual UFOs themselves, right, these or UAPs 236 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:50.639 or whatever you want to call them, that they have 237 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.840 a level of sentience and that they they respond in 238 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:59.519 a way that that implies some sort of understanding, right, 239 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:03.120 that there's an actual like mental process of some sort 240 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:07.200 going on there. But going back to the Triune Stone 241 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:09.399 of Lost science, this is what I wanted to mention. 242 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.480 So it's a fragmentation of which is threefold. The Samerians 243 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.639 who preserved primarily the astrological and the astronomical component, right, 244 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:23.799 we have the the Hebrews that conserved largely the cabalistic component, 245 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.879 and then the Egyptians, which really kind of not heralded 246 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:32.240 what's the word, uh, you know, captor guarded the alchem 247 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.639 alchemical component. And so that's really what we see, and 248 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.159 we see these three kind of be pulled apart. One 249 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.399 one was he Marian, Hebrew. 250 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.840 And Egyptiiight, that's right, that's right. Yeah, I remember this part, 251 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:45.919 but I'm glad you picked up notes on it because 252 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:50.799 I did not. The truck the Triune Stone is very dense. 253 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.759 It's a dense concept. That's another interesting But I think 254 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.519 I think you're you're laying it out nicely there. I mean, 255 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:59.759 it's and I don't know if you're going to this 256 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.600 part art, but he seems to liken it to the trinity. 257 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:06.919 Yes, well, that's a really great point that you bring 258 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.399 that up. And it's interesting because they call it lost 259 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.879 sciences as though they were you know, they're separate. But 260 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:13.759 I think that that's the way we think about them. 261 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.519 And that's what's really truly fascinating about alchemy as well, 262 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:21.080 right like, because alchemy references like the origin. 263 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.279 Point over and over and over, right. 264 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:26.720 And just like you're talking about, you have this trifecta 265 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.200 going on, this this trinity going on as well, which 266 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.919 which he does he references really well. And he talks 267 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:39.919 about how Augustine would use that reference as the Holy Spirit, 268 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:41.559 God the Father got the Son and got the Holy 269 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:44.679 Spirit as a reference to the three pieces or the 270 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.879 three aspects that the stone can take, right Like the stone, 271 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:51.000 just like you talked about, it could be alixir, it 272 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.919 could be the powder, or it could actually be a 273 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:57.399 physical stone of some sort that would imbue whatever power 274 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:59.080 you know, it was being used for at that time. 275 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:03.279 That's it and that and that's a very exciting part 276 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.240 of this book too, so that he gets into that 277 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:08.159 and he's willing to go there and go that deep 278 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:10.559 into it. So what you find with this book is, 279 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:15.080 like page one, what doctor Frell does is he kind 280 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.919 of lays out that the book pivots on three substances 281 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:27.360 American gold, Soviet mercury, and Nazi serum. Yep. So it's 282 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:29.600 from the jump sort of implied that he's going to 283 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.639 touch on the alchemical nature of those three substances and 284 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:35.759 everything kind he works the book around that sort of 285 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.720 free part. Uh. I don't know what we'd call a 286 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:43.080 plot or whatever. There you go, there you go. And 287 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.200 I actually laughed when I read his line, because early 288 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:49.000 on he just he's addressing stuff, right, and he says, 289 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.039 you know something along the lines of, you know, if 290 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.159 you merely speak the word alchemy, you will make a 291 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:01.399 real scientist uncomfortable, perhaps even belligerent. I thought that was great, 292 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:06.840 because people, modern scientists, they're they don't they're not willing 293 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.120 to sort of put their nose in now chemical texts 294 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.240 and see what it's all about. It's just been it's 295 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:18.000 just been shunned. Right. But then doctor Farrell introduces the conspiracy. Right, 296 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.679 if I can call it that, this is all in 297 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.600 like the first three pages, I think for people listening, 298 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.559 he says, uh, as as you read this book, you're 299 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.279 going to see evidence that of a very different and 300 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.960 exotic form of physics exists, that he's being pursued by elites, 301 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.240 power players, off the books, off the being done so, 302 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.480 off the book. So I'm all about this stuff that 303 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.000 that premise is all I need to start every podcast 304 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.799 I ever do for us in all life. Those are 305 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:50.480 elements that we can I can riff off without a 306 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:52.440 doubt in this book. So I want to lay that out. 307 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.039 No, you're good man, that's a that's a great place 308 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.200 to start, frankly, and I'm glad you mentioned I literally, 309 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:59.440 that's funny you say that. I literally have that underlined 310 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.159 right here off the books part Yeah, yeah, yeah, occulted 311 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.559 laboratories of the world's major powers. 312 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:07.799 Yep, that's exactly right what it is, man, That's what 313 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.279 we're contending with right now. It is it is. And 314 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.559 you know what that whether you're Christian or not, right, 315 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:16.960 I mean, and I mean, honestly, I think it's kind 316 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.279 of get I get the shady for people for being 317 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.440 into alchemy. As a Christian. Of course, I'm just learning 318 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.559 about it. It's not like I'm not practicing. But because 319 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.200 there is a magical component to this, but not always, 320 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:31.559 not always, you know, there can be right too. 321 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:35.200 I mean, it's it's an interesting thing because a lot 322 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.319 of the the early well and we have to kind 323 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:38.759 of take it with a grain of salt too. So 324 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:40.759 so let me let me preface what I'm about to 325 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.000 say by saying, take this with a grain of salt. 326 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.880 But we also have to understand that a lot of 327 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:50.880 early church fathers, a lot of early Christians were philosophers, 328 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.559 and they were actively pursuing the philosopher's stone. Now you 329 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:57.519 might say, well, they were part of such and such 330 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.000 a society and such as such society. Okay, well, fair enough, 331 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:01.839 you know I'm not gonna I'm not going to tell 332 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:03.799 you it has to be X, Y or Z. You know, 333 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.160 as we as we well know in this space, like 334 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:10.039 it's usually the both, and it's very rarely like black 335 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:12.440 or white. It's it's almost never black or white. I mean, 336 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.799 that's that's it's a very weird thing to say. In fact, 337 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.279 the only black and white we have in this book 338 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.440 is the changing of colors. 339 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:22.440 The actually zone itself. Right. 340 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:25.960 But I think that you make a really good point, 341 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:32.240 and that that's it's important to understand that the what 342 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:40.200 you and I might call uh metaphorical kind of concepts 343 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:44.440 that appear in in alchemy are just as important as 344 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.759 the physical processes that that occur in alchemy as well. 345 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:51.680 And so if we're to take it, you know, kind 346 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.519 of just at face value, well then maybe we will 347 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.799 just reject it out of hand. But if we do 348 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.240 dig just a little bit, like you really do see 349 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:02.640 And I'm coming from a Christian perspective obviously, I'm part 350 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:06.319 of the Christian theological Dark White podcast, right, So I mean, 351 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:09.400 I'm gonna give you my my worldview coming straight forward 352 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.039 when we see the ether, and I'm I'm hesitant to 353 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:15.200 give this away right when we talking about the the 354 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:19.160 the material, the material prima, right, prima materia. I can't 355 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.160 rember which it is. Materia prima, uh, the ether. It's 356 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.880 got tons of different names, right, like the the initial substrate, 357 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:31.319 undifferentiated material in my mind and we can explore this, 358 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.799 but in my mind, bro, that is what Revelation talks 359 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.119 about the scroll being rolled up at the end of 360 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:41.240 the age. That's what God rolls up. Everything's written on it. 361 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:44.279 It's all written on the materia prima. It's it's and 362 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:46.119 actually I'm not I'm not gonna lie. I'm just this 363 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:50.000 is a full, full disclosure here. There's a part of 364 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.559 this book that I as the more I read it, 365 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:57.319 I was kind of like inclining this way, and more 366 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.640 inclining this way, and just a little more, until like 367 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.559 all out I realize, like this is a legit concept, 368 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.359 Like this is an actual thing that happens. Is that 369 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.400 our intentions, that our feelings, our desires, all those things, 370 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:15.200 all those things, they are written on the actual fabric 371 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.119 of the materia prima itself, which is why God can 372 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.039 roll it up as a scroll at the end of time. 373 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.200 And if you look at other authors like John Burke 374 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.799 who talks about imagine Heaven, when people go and they 375 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.599 have these out of body experiences or post death experiences, 376 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:36.519 I guess we'll call them, they literally are confronted with 377 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:42.599 like an entire what they call a life review. They 378 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:46.000 have like a full out life review of everything that's 379 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.319 written down. I mean, it's like it's all recorded, and 380 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:50.319 it's recorded in ways that I can't even begin to 381 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:50.920 express here. 382 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.519 But what about this This is a concept that's dumbled 383 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:59.240 across looking into some really dark corners of theufology. But 384 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:04.680 there are people who were having entity encounters of the 385 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:09.279 UFO kind and these entities were imparting information that these people, 386 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:13.319 and what it was was they were referencing some sort 387 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:20.000 of a mass of consciousness that exists maybe in the 388 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.279 cosmo somewhere, but the entities are are waiting for that 389 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:27.119 to fill up. And what it was is everybody's life 390 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:32.240 experience gets added to this mass consciousness like a like 391 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:37.359 a like a big cosmic database. Sounds like the Acacia record, right, 392 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:40.079 and that that rolls right into it too. And these 393 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:46.079 entities were saying, once that's full, that's when you know 394 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:49.640 your Ragnaroc, your apocalypse, you're into the world stuff. That's 395 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.079 when they wrap it up right, yeah, Or that's when 396 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:56.799 it's wrapped up right? Higher power? Now, is that does 397 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:57.480 that fit into this? 398 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.559 Because that I always thought that that was such a 399 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.559 wild It is a wild concept. And let me make 400 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.680 sure I don't want to misrepresent the the idea itself, 401 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:12.720 but essentially that these entities, these UFO associated entities are 402 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:16.720 saying that once once the consciousness what we call it 403 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:20.079 the consciousness database, is full, that the scroll will be 404 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:20.640 rolled up. 405 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:25.240 Is that what I'm understanding, That's what That's what I'm saying. Yeah, 406 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:29.680 if if both could be true, and I do you think, Yeah, 407 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:31.359 I don't know. I don't. I don't want to tread 408 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:34.039 on the waters of no no no, I read as 409 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:37.519 much as you want, dude. Well, it's just like I've 410 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:40.000 been I've talked about entities a lot on here, and 411 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:41.759 I'm trying to take a break from it because I 412 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.559 know it weird people out a lot. But basically, I 413 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.200 don't think you can trust all these these messages you 414 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.240 get from entities, but sometimes there's a little grand truth 415 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.519 in there. And I just thought it was an interesting concept. 416 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.200 But tim I I would I would dare say it's 417 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:58.160 the other way around, bro. I know this might be 418 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.039 a very unpopular opinion or this might weird people out, 419 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.359 but I think it's the inverse. I think that there's 420 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.039 a lot more truth that's tailored into the explanation than 421 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:09.559 there is lie. I think that there's way more truth, 422 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:11.559 because it would you wouldn't be sold on it if 423 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.759 there weren't a solid amount of truth, right, Like you don't. 424 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:16.039 You don't. 425 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.359 You don't have a whole plot to kill someone unless 426 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:21.480 you have a lot of good reasons for it, right, 427 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:24.119 The same thing is true, Like there's there's tons of 428 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.359 truth that's mixed in there until there's just a few 429 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:31.200 bad seeds that are like, m yeah, no, but I 430 00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:34.359 can't buy this tiny portion over here. And so come, 431 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:36.160 let me come back to your concept real quick and 432 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:42.519 answer you. I will say in a way that I 433 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:48.279 mean from my from my perspective, I would say yes, Now, 434 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:51.240 I think that that is possible. I think that they 435 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.359 can overlap, and I think that they can even dovetail. 436 00:23:54.759 --> 00:24:01.359 And the reason I think so is because when when 437 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:06.640 when God talks about the end of time, when does 438 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:08.720 the end of time come? The end of time comes, 439 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:10.720 the Ragnarok or whatever you want to call it, right, 440 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:17.319 that comes biblically speaking, when everyone has had a chance 441 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:22.160 to embrace Christ as savior or not so, from a 442 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:27.920 biblical perspective, I have no problem accepting that kind of idea. Now, 443 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:31.359 you may have these entities over here saying that the 444 00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:35.079 database consciousness being full means something totally different to what 445 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:38.240 I just told you, And you may have esotericists or 446 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.319 other you know, believers of other religions that will tell 447 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:40.599 you that. 448 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:41.519 It's otherwise as well. 449 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.319 But what you're asking is whether or not that can 450 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.440 fit squarely in a Biblical paradigm. 451 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:51.000 Absolutely sure, absolutely sure. I see a ton of this happening. 452 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.799 I see it throughout my research all the time, where 453 00:24:54.720 --> 00:25:03.039 ideas that are being h ideas that are being perpetuated 454 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:09.319 in occult doctrines fit fine within a Biblical paradigm or 455 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.759 within the Biblical doctrine, they don't class. And like, I'm 456 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.200 trying to be very careful about how I talk about 457 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:19.880 that these days, because I know, like that Biblical hit 458 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.839 Men podcast I did, for instance, I know I said 459 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.640 some stuff on there that it's going to be because 460 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.039 that's a very Christian forward show and I am a Christian, 461 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.119 which but I'm a little bit more liberal maybe than some. 462 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:35.079 But anyways, I think I said some stuff on there 463 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:38.759 that's going to be perceived as slippery to some Christians 464 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:40.759 because I don't know if they understand where I'm coming from, 465 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.359 because I'm not promoting the occult when I say that 466 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:47.160 the occult is not entirely bad, right saying I'm saying 467 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:51.240 some of this knowledge can be used for good, and 468 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:54.000 it can definitely be used for bad, and some of 469 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.279 it just some of it. There was there's this huge 470 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.599 sect of people that's been forgotten totally by history. Of 471 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.480 the esoteric Christians. A lot of those guys were not 472 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:05.359 evil people. They were having conversations like the one we're 473 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:09.440 having today. I think that is my strong suspicion. But 474 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:13.160 they have Christ in their heart as well that they're having, 475 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.359 you know. But they went deep into this stuff and 476 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:19.640 they believed in like you know even Okay, example probably 477 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:25.480 not the best example of a Christian figure, but Paracelsis 478 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.759 he was a Christian from what I could tell, he 479 00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:32.400 was one of these esoteric Christians. And he talks about 480 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.079 the Going back to this conversation we just had about 481 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:39.440 these entities, he talks about the Olympic Spirits, this hierarchy 482 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:45.160 of beings that rule certain sections of the cosmos. It's 483 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.039 a lot like what you see in the Bible with 484 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.960 after the Tower of Bible, where God splits up the 485 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.799 nations and puts principalities over the nations, there's some sort 486 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.720 of a guardian guiding entity that's over sect of people. 487 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.440 Same sort of a concept perouse Else is referring to 488 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:05.000 with the Olympic Spirits. Beneath the Olympic spirits, you have 489 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:08.799 these sort of elemental creatures that alchemists would work with. 490 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:13.359 They were cryptid like, I guess, or fairy like, and 491 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.720 to put it in our terms, they're like silk nimps, 492 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.799 dry ads, gnomes maybe was one of them. But you know, 493 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.559 you see what I'm saying. So there's a hierarchy of 494 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.200 entities there that that was kind of woven into the 495 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.640 fabric of this work. The some of the alchemists embarked upon. 496 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.000 And that's sketchy because that's when you bring magic in. 497 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.480 Then you're really gonna look slippery to most Christians. Well, 498 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:38.400 we have to. 499 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.839 So there's a few things you said, and I don't 500 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:42.480 to be honest, as far as I could tell, I 501 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:44.319 don't think we disagree on anything. Man, I think I 502 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.079 agree with everything you just said. But I do want 503 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.240 to I want to give some you know, some clarifying points, 504 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:50.440 you know from my perspective. 505 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:53.160 Oh and two, there's a lot we don't know. That's 506 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.319 why this, that's why this is important for us to hash. 507 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:56.759 I said, Oh, go ahead, I'm sorry. 508 00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:01.680 No, no, no, that's fine, man. Excuse me drinking my coffee. Man, 509 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.119 I'm trying to get warm. It's all cold in my house. 510 00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:14.160 So everything that we're looking at is nature. It's it's 511 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:19.000 the it's the design that God gave to this reality 512 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:19.759 that we live in. 513 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:25.400 Right. I watched a really interesting a presentation. 514 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:29.559 I can't say podcast guys actually given a presentation and 515 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.039 it was funny. The first half of it was like, 516 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.519 I mean, like mind bendingly mind opening. 517 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:37.279 It was great. It was so good. 518 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.799 The key takeaway there is that there are two kind 519 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.640 of worlds. One is what we would call Newtonian physics 520 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.359 and the other is what we would call quantum physics. Okay, 521 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:53.160 now they work in tandem, but we don't always understand 522 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.519 how they work in tandem. And I really like this 523 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:01.240 Newtonian physics and quantum physics because even breaks it down 524 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:04.559 a little further and says, shoot, I'm gonna have to 525 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.640 find that presentation for you, by the way, but he 526 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:13.480 says that there's Newtonian physicality and quantum physicality, and I'm 527 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.640 trying to lay a base here so when we start 528 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:17.880 coming to these concepts, it'll be a little bit easier 529 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.200 to tread on these waters. 530 00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:21.079 No pun intended. 531 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:27.599 So, uh, when we're talking about Newtonian physical matter, it's 532 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.079 what you and I consist of. This hand that's in 533 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.359 front of me, right, This hand is Newtonian physical matter, 534 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.920 but quantum matter might be a lot easier to be 535 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:42.400 interpreted in a spiritual sense, right, because here's here's a 536 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.440 concept that's really been floating around, bouncing in my head 537 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:51.000 a lot. Is just because you don't have Newtonian physical 538 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:56.799 matter does not mean you are not physical. So just 539 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.559 because you don't have a human body or you know, 540 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.920 a I don't know an our Vark's body for that matter, right, 541 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.400 does not mean you're not physical. We are a version 542 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.119 of physicality, but there are higher versions of physicality. And 543 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.119 we can see this actually referenced if we look at 544 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.759 this from a Nachian and I mean like the you know, 545 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.359 biblical kind of tradition of Nakian in the actual Bible itself. 546 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:21.799 There's a really great book. 547 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.480 There's two Enochs. I want to riff on that in 548 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:24.759 a minute. 549 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:26.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine, absolutely, absolutely. 550 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:28.559 Because I want to tie it. I want to tie 551 00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:32.079 all this up because with the two world's idea. But 552 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.440 people keep going, And also let me just add Bova 553 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.400 since we were talking about the spirit world right before 554 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.599 we long st end of this. You know, Blovatski was 555 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.359 you know, she was a medium. She was I believe 556 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.480 there's a spiritual rhyme. I believe you could contact it 557 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.279 and all this. I think that she was doing exactly that. 558 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.640 Blavatski knew about what you're talking about in the eighteen hundreds. 559 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.319 She she was she was describing quantum physics before it existed. Yep. 560 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.039 She said that as an atom and it can be split. 561 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.920 And she was going up up against the science of 562 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.920 the day, which was probably on the maybe I don't 563 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.400 know where they were at. They were more like science 564 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:20.160 is not material or something like that. I don't know 565 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.960 what I'm I'm not quite sure, but whatever she was 566 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.480 saying was was not welcomed, like. 567 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:31.559 Natural scientists versus natural science versus precise right, she. 568 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:33.720 Was up against Darwin and all those guys too with 569 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.720 her thoughts. But like she was talking about particles. She 570 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.119 was saying, going back to the beginning of this conversation, 571 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:43.039 the force field, the sentient force field. She said, there 572 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:47.519 is a force field that is moved. These forces are 573 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:53.119 moved by particles. And so she's describing particle physics and 574 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.960 quantum physics as well. But the more you read, it's crazy. 575 00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.359 But she knew about that. Because of this conversation we 576 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.920 just had about how you do get some truth from 577 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.319 the other that as well. 578 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:11.039 Yeah, yep, and so what what. There's a really great 579 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.160 book whose name I can't reference. I wish I had 580 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.759 my bookshelf in here, but I will get it for you, 581 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.160 I promise. It's a really great book and it's called 582 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.799 Oh I remember, it's called Revising Reality. That's what it's called, 583 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.799 Revising Reality. Really great book. It's got several authors. But 584 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.240 one of the things that they talk about there's they 585 00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.440 reference an older book called. 586 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.200 Is It Two D World. 587 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:39.200 Essentially, the concept of this book is that there is 588 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.400 a world in which everything is two dimensional, but when 589 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:46.359 a three dimensional hand reaches into it, then it appears 590 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.799 as a two dimensional particle or two dimensional figure. So 591 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.519 even though you're putting your hands straight in, all they 592 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.599 see are four little you know, four little circles that 593 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.799 are just in the sky in their two dimensional world. 594 00:32:59.400 --> 00:32:59.559 Right. 595 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.759 And so what they do in Revising Reality is they 596 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.759 liken that same concept to the Nephylon. 597 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.599 For example, that's also the cover of the Nice Nails 598 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.519 album Year Zero, which is giant giant hand coming out 599 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.519 of the sky, but you only see the fingers. Yeah, 600 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.480 oh cool, that's interesting. And you know, listen to that 601 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.759 album anyway it mind me, it might very well be 602 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.079 a nod to this concept. 603 00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:29.599 Oh wow, interesting, Okay, so the same They just lay 604 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.000 out the same concept with regards to the Nephelin. Right, 605 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:37.279 if you are a huge, super dense creature, right, coming 606 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.640 from having at least in part right, because you know 607 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.119 these are these are hybrid creatures, at least in part 608 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:50.400 having your let's call it non Newtonian physicality right placed 609 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:55.359 in a body in a world where there is Newtonian physicality, right, 610 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.720 And I'm talking about our physicality when I talk about that, if. 611 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.400 You can go anywhere else where do you go up? 612 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.359 Where do you go to? You go up and out? 613 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.199 Your girth and your height are going to increase because 614 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.599 you have nowhere else to go in question to physicality, 615 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.679 because you're another dimensional being being transported into a third dimension. 616 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:22.079 So yeah, of course you look terrifying and huge and confusing. 617 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.440 And why are you like this big giant thing. Well, 618 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.760 because there's there's nowhere else to have this fit into 619 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:29.400 the paradigm. 620 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.599 Oh my gosh, it's you can still you can see 621 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.719 some of the hand, but I don't know this is 622 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.280 this this was his album where he kind of two 623 00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.880 those and all kinds of stuff like what we're talking about, 624 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.159 it's a it's there. He was. He was ahead of 625 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.159 his time with this one. I mean he was tapping 626 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.280 in trend man talking about downloads. I think this is 627 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.679 one of those guys who gets those downloads. But that's interesting. Yeah, 628 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.559 you know, there's a song on here called Twilight that 629 00:34:58.719 --> 00:34:59.719 is phenomenal. 630 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.639 That whole album I really like. Actually I am a 631 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:06.719 nine in Chelles fan. He's really really talented guy. It's 632 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.280 interesting that you mentioned him just kind of is an offshoot. 633 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.800 But there's something really particularly interesting about his lyrics. If 634 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.440 you ever read his lyrics, they're very simple, they're not complicated, 635 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:25.159 but his music is like next level genius dude. I mean, 636 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.559 you don't come up with stuff like that easily. Like 637 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:29.400 that's not something that most people can do. 638 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:33.719 He understands the power of aesthetic and audible aesthetic because 639 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.320 you know, as I've played guitar for twenty plus years 640 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:41.239 and his guitar parts are very simple, but they're very 641 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:46.679 powerful because he understands it's just not how you play 642 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:49.960 its ambience and atmosphere, yeah and all that. But I'm 643 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.119 gonna get us back to this book real quick. I did. 644 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.440 That's cool, man, I'm glad we went down this physics thing. 645 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.159 That's it's very it's wrapped up in this right. Just 646 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.840 a thought on something. So page somewhere between page two 647 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.559 and seven, Okay, Farrell, I just have a thought on something. 648 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:11.360 He something else, he lays out. Yeah, and actually, let 649 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.960 me let me say this, because you're talking about the 650 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.400 two worlds, right, Yeah. I think there's two versions of 651 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.159 this knowledge that we're talking about today. I think they 652 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.360 both came personally. I think they both came from the Garden. 653 00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.320 I think things were taught to Adam. Adam taught him 654 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.000 to his children, and we know Cain left the garden 655 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.960 and Caine started his own civilization. And if you look 656 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.199 at the line of kin, you see the Baddie Knock, 657 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.199 you see Lil Mec, you see Tubal Caine and the 658 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:48.480 Freemason legends that this knowledge was kept through his line, right, 659 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:52.239 But I think there was also a line that wasn't 660 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.960 necessarily there was a line from Adam that that kept 661 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.559 some of this knowledge as well, didn't really necessarily do 662 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.480 bad things with it, right, Just I think keep that 663 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.840 in mind when because one of the things farolays out 664 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:11.320 here is this gap he presents where he talks about 665 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.920 a gap where we don't know who had use of 666 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.920 the esoteric knowledge between three hundred AD and eleven hundred 667 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.840 a d. Now, eleven hundred AD is when the templar 668 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:26.719 sprang up, and that's where you see some of this 669 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:31.400 knowledge start to resurface, right. I just think that's interesting. 670 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.880 Like with some of the deep dives I've been doing, 671 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.639 it's like I would suggest that that knowledge simply didn't disappear. 672 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.119 It went somewhere. I think maybe it was stored in 673 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:45.920 Arabia because now now we're talking about alchemists here, because 674 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.920 the alchemists played a big part and keeping the keeping 675 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:51.880 of this knowledge. And where did it go for this 676 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.239 gap that faroulays out right, Well, right in the middle 677 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.880 of that gap is seven hundred AD, which is the 678 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:04.079 time of the Arab alchemist Jabber. So I think the 679 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.119 Arabs had this stuff for this mysterious gap, and I 680 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.960 think some of it was stored in Petra hm hm 681 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:16.679 Petra is Anamite stronghold. That's interesting. Now, So you remember 682 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:21.840 in the Bible where it says esau Left took his wives. 683 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:26.519 He married Nephelm women and Canaanites by the way, so 684 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.760 he you know, the line of Esau is the beginning 685 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.159 of the Edomites in the Bible. He took he takes 686 00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.639 all his possessions, his wives and all his stuff, and 687 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.199 he goes to a mountain in the area of Seer. 688 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:44.719 Mm hmm, right, that's Petra. Petra's right next to Mount Seyr. 689 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.519 So that's where he settled. And everybody remembers that Indiana 690 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:52.400 Jones movie where you see that or yeah, that's that's 691 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.119 that's Petra, That's that's Edomite. That's uh, that's the Canaanites 692 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.679 and the Nephilin that he married into. I think had 693 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.079 this knowledge. Yeah, I mean and they and they stored 694 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.199 it there, right, so like the history will tell you 695 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.679 that the Naviteans built that, but they moved in after 696 00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.639 the Edomites did. So anyway, I think there's a lot 697 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.719 of like I'm sure other people could probably fill in 698 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.559 Feral's gap here, but I think that accounts for some 699 00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:23.039 of it, you know, Uh, I think that you know, 700 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.840 like I don't know, man like this, the amalak amalek Heites, Yeah, 701 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.079 they were a line of Esau too, They're the ones 702 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.760 who like said to be at amel kite means blood 703 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.280 liquor or something like that. Like they were totally they 704 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:43.400 were this was this was a Nephelum religion. Yep. It 705 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.480 turned into the cult of Co's and a lot of 706 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.119 other stuff you see in that region. So I just 707 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.840 wanted to touch on that because, I mean, I think 708 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.000 it's fascinating, Like it's like the question of where did 709 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.880 this knowledge go? And I think also Constantinople is another 710 00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.199 place where this knowledge went. I mean, I don't if 711 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.800 you know much about the Byzantine Empire, but I don't. Men, 712 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:04.360 That's actually one of those things that I'm. 713 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.159 Like, I really need to research this more. I really 714 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.239 keep seeing it pop because it pops up everywhere, right, 715 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:09.599 I mean. 716 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:13.000 Right, business team history buzant Teine kicks off in three 717 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:18.199 hundred a d. Right at the beginning a barrel's gap, right, 718 00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:25.199 and during the Dark Ages. So Constantinople is like the 719 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.760 center of the Buzantine Empire. Right, Constantinople was thriving during 720 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:31.800 the Dark Ages. This is what they don't tell you. 721 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:36.000 This is what they all all that they were having 722 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.360 a blast in the in in Constantinople. In Turkey and 723 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.239 in the air world while Europe was experiencing the Dark 724 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:44.280 Age because dark agents was brought on by the Church 725 00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.599 and you know, facilitated by dark forces. But these people, 726 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.639 I don't know, they had a renaissance, They had a 727 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:54.719 perpetual renaissance happy and Constantinople falls around fourteen hundred a d. 728 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.840 And that's when as soon as fourteen hundred and fifteen 729 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:04.400 hundred UNA's Constantinople falls. That's when the Renaissance sparked in 730 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.519 Europe because all these people left Constantinople went up into 731 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.000 Europe and brought all this knowledge with them and they 732 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.039 that's when you see hermetics show up in Italy through 733 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.880 guys like Jordano Bruno. He shows up on the scene 734 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.079 in the fifteen hundreds. Fits right into this time. So basically, 735 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:24.639 the Catholics made up the name Byzantine and change history 736 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.239 so nobody sort of knew. I don't know what they 737 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.159 were trying to They were trying to cover something up, 738 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.159 but the Byzantine Empire fits perfectly in this gap that 739 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.559 Pharaoh presents. So anyway, yeah, that's for letting me go 740 00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:41.559 down that rabbit hole. But like Turkey, Constantinople, Petra probably 741 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.599 alchemical hubs of the ancient world. That's very interesting, dude. 742 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.280 You had. And there's another guy six hundred AD kind 743 00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.159 of right in the middle of that gap too, was 744 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:54.480 a Stefoffanos of Alexandria. He's a part of the Byzantine 745 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.599 Empire under hero Heracleus. I think it's how you say 746 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.800 it's yes, yeah, yeah, both of them were into alchemy. 747 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:08.440 So when when Stefoffinos moved to Constantinople, and he moved there, 748 00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.199 no doubt to practice alchemy in Turkey under this emperor 749 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:16.400 Heraclus or Heracleics or however you say it. So, I 750 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:20.199 don't know, I just just to toss in some history here. Yeah, 751 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:27.280 that's good, dude. This stuff was perpetuated probably Turkey. You know, 752 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.239 Turkey butts right up to the bottom of Europe. M 753 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.119 I think the next country is up as Moldova or 754 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.519 something like that, at a really interesting spot, and then 755 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.880 Romania is right there as well. It's the bottom of 756 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:46.360 so right, there's a there's actually a line between the 757 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.800 dark Ages and the not dark Ages where they're still 758 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:53.360 probably practicing alchemy. Alchemy for alchemy probably just made its 759 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:58.119 way back up into Europe after this cloak from the 760 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.000 Church of the Dark Age. 761 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.440 You know, you you were talking, so, I mean, there's 762 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.199 like a bagillion thoughts going through my mind right now. 763 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.920 One of the things that you said is really important 764 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.000 is that you know that this knowledge. 765 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:12.199 It comes out of an older it comes out of 766 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:16.199 an older batch of knowledge, is just a tie above. Yes, yeah, no, no, no, 767 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:17.440 that's exactly where I'm going. 768 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:19.880 Actually, I'm glad you said you were talking about Adam 769 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.559 from beginning, right, and that he had this esoteric knowledge. 770 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:25.880 You're absolutely right. For us, it's esoteric. 771 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:28.599 For him, it was common knowledge, right, These were common 772 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.320 concepts for him. These were common technologies, if we want 773 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:36.039 to call him that for him, and anything that's occult, 774 00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:41.400 it becomes occulted through time or you know, a perpetual 775 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:48.239 or decisive obfuscation, right, Like that's how that happens. But 776 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:52.239 I think there's something to be said about any empire 777 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.800 that refuses to die, like at least its core concepts 778 00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:02.119 or its core ways of life refused to die. One 779 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:04.599 is precisely what you were talking about. The Arab world, 780 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:11.039 I mean, clearly, like ancient Egypt lives even today. Really, dude, 781 00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.440 I mean like, let's just be straight up honest. I 782 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.360 would say the same thing is true, and this is 783 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.599 not to go in this direction, just kind of mentioning 784 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.599 it is what I studied actually in college. A whole 785 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.920 lot was was China. China was ransacked time and time again, 786 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:28.280 and instead of like conforming to whoever was coming in 787 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.519 overtaking them, whoever overtook them. 788 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.039 Just was like, well, we'll. 789 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.039 Just signify ourselves. We'll just become Chinese, you know, same 790 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.920 kind of concept, like it just kind of got absorbed 791 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:38.400 into us. 792 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.599 China may have been one of Noah's suns. 793 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:45.119 Right, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah. 794 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.800 And Pharaoh talks about that in this book. He talks 795 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.800 about how he's citing Paracelsus actually, and they lay out 796 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:59.440 how this going back to this knowledge thing, Abraham, is 797 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:04.559 that right? No, Noah, I'm sorry. Noah preserves some knowledge 798 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.400 before the flood, sure does. Yes, he mentioned the tablets 799 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:11.239 that are underneath sons, right, So after the flood, Noah 800 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.920 goes down to the bottom of this mountain right like 801 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:19.079 Petra almost where they stored their knowledge and retracts or no, 802 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.440 like yeah, whatever, it takes out this knowledge that was 803 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.199 stored down there. Now air or at or one of 804 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:25.960 the other mountains. 805 00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:30.800 If you if you actually look at is it Jubileese. 806 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.719 I want to say the Book of Jubilees Uh, it 807 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:35.639 actually talks about this. I think it's one of the 808 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.800 grandsons of Noah. Maybe I'm wrong, but one of the 809 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:42.519 grandsons of Noah finds the actual teachings on a tablet 810 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:43.639 of the watchers. 811 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:48.320 And well, that's another. That's that's another. That's the tubulc. 812 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.119 Now go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead, No, no, you're good, 813 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:50.400 You're good. 814 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:51.800 That's just that's one of the that's one of the 815 00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:52.679 methods of transmission. 816 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.599 That's always going to say no, no, no, okay. So 817 00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.960 that's all right. So here it is. It's on page 818 00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:58.599 fifty two. 819 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.480 Yeah, I know what you're talking about. When you said, 820 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:02.920 I was like, wait what, I was like, did I 821 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:03.199 miss that? 822 00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.800 No? I know what you're talking about. But the alchemical 823 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:13.400 science itself, Paracalysius clearly states comes from Adam. Adam was 824 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:19.800 able to predict the world's destruction by water m from 825 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.639 this cause too. It came about that his successors erected 826 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.639 two tablets of stone, on which Staying braided all natural 827 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:29.880 arts and hieroglyphic characters in order that their posterity might 828 00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:34.159 also become acquainted with this prediction that it might be 829 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.280 heated and provisions made in the time of dangerous dense stuff. 830 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.239 But anyway, so okay, here's the part I'm getting to. Subsequently, 831 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:47.920 Noah found one of those tablets under Mount Aerth after 832 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.880 the deluge. In this table or on these tablets were 833 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.000 described the courses of the upper firmament and of the 834 00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.480 lower globe. Sorry, guys, these guys believed in space and 835 00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:05.599 planet shaped balls or fall shaped planet. Sorry, y'all. Uh, 836 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:14.159 that's you know, that's what they believed, clearly. But moving on. No, No, okay, 837 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.480 I don't know what the Earth's shape is, but I'm 838 00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.320 not necessarily I'm not totally on board with that. But anyways, 839 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:24.920 at length, this universal knowledge was divided into several parts 840 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.840 and lessened in its vigor and power by means of 841 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:33.280 the separation. One man became an astronomer, another magician, another cabalist, 842 00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:39.880 and a fourth an alchemist. Abraham that volcanic tubulcane. He's 843 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.840 liking Abraham to tubulcane in a sense that he was 844 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:50.159 a knowledge keeper. Yes, Abraham is a consummate astrologer and 845 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.760 a arithmetician. Yeah, he carried the art of the land 846 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.719 of Canaan into Egypt, whereupon the Egyptians rose to so 847 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.119 great a high indentity that this wisdom was derived from 848 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.400 them by other nations. You can infer here is that 849 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.800 Noah's sons got a hold of some of this knowledge. 850 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.159 There's three of them, right, three sons, and they went 851 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.800 to three different parts of the of the world and 852 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.400 probably took some of that with them, and maybe it 853 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.480 was split up into these groups, like some of it 854 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.440 was astronomy, some of it was magic, some of it 855 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:31.000 was alchemy. You could maybe infer that right, So that 856 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.280 there's two versions, Like I said, there's two. It seems 857 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:39.360 to me that there's two versions or two there's a crossroads. 858 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.159 There's a split in the roads where this information goes 859 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:47.960 after Adam and after Kane, Canes line tuple Kane and 860 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.679 Kaynes line. He gets it. The legend is that they 861 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.480 caught win that there was going to be a flood 862 00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:59.239 as well, and they sealed the knowledge on tablets underneath 863 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:03.400 the Great pure mid who their great grandpa, the bad 864 00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:11.000 Enoch built. Yeah, So so that would be like probably 865 00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:13.920 at that point, since it's Cane's line, this knowledge had 866 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.519 been kind of moved into more of that witchcraft type 867 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:19.400 of a realm. Yeah, and you've got the line of 868 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:23.440 Abraham or Noah. Yes, the same thing as yeah, right, 869 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.599 same thing who has there? Maybe it's the same knowledge, 870 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.920 but but they're not doing the same stuff with it, 871 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.360 right right? Well, I just never hear this talked about. 872 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:35.800 No, no, no, that's that's a it's a good topic, man. 873 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.360 And and so there's a few things, right, One is 874 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:43.119 what what what we should what we call magic? We're 875 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:48.360 actually I'm going to do an episode with Shelley and 876 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.920 I are doing an episode with Christina from Sasquatch from Towerdough, 877 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.239 and we're talking about re enchantment. So one thing is 878 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.960 she's like, I think that magic, the word magic got hijacked. 879 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:05.920 And although we associate it with the negative esotericism, right, 880 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.440 She's like, I think that that was hijacked. And so 881 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.119 I'm I'm a little on the uh, not so sure 882 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.760 how I feel about that particular word. But I will 883 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:24.920 say for things like mystic and things like I don't know, sage, 884 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.280 stuff like that, those words are not Those words hold 885 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.440 a lot of baggage today. But for me, they don't 886 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:33.159 hold any particular baggage. They just mean a person that 887 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:37.679 was seeking out spiritual things, you know, and not necessarily 888 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.239 obsessed with them, just they were speaking, they were seeking. 889 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:40.880 A spiritual life. 890 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.599 So when we talk about magic, I think that, you know, 891 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.559 just because that's the way I am, dude. Linguistics is 892 00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:48.920 my background, and that's kind of where I always really 893 00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:50.400 try to stem from when I make sure that I 894 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.079 understand something. So I would say, yeah, I mean absolutely, 895 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:56.039 If if we're going to define it as magic, as 896 00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.840 like the interaction with a spiritual force, you know, through 897 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:00.440 some sort. 898 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.239 Of ritual, I guess we could say, then. 899 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:04.199 Sure, by all means, I have no problem with that 900 00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:10.760 definition whatsoever. Now the twisting might be what we're really 901 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.360 going to draw distinction on, right, And I would say 902 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:15.519 that the twisting of let's just call it, let's call 903 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:21.159 it magic for you know, for Easu's sake, the twisted 904 00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:25.079 magic versus the godly magic. And I'm obviously coming from 905 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.400 a Christian worldview. Again, I mentioned that I think that 906 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:29.840 there's something to be said about that. 907 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.360 I really do, and I. 908 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.199 Think that a lot of these abilities in general are 909 00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:41.360 now latent because of the deleterious mutations that have happened 910 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:45.480 over thousands and thousands of years, right, Like, this is 911 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.199 not the way we were created to be. You and 912 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.639 I were not created to be having podcasts over some 913 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:56.280 blue light screen, you know, like sharing esoteric and important 914 00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.719 knowledge this way, right Like, ultimately, for me, in my mind, 915 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.760 all these things are are for the glory of God, 916 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:02.960 like all these things that we study. 917 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:06.599 Is yeah, not all our esoteric concepts are bad. They're not. 918 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.360 That's what esoteric just means that it's hidden, right, It 919 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:10.480 doesn't mean that it's bad. 920 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.800 And the Bible is full of awesome tons of stuff, dude. 921 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.360 Although you know you're not going to hear most pastors 922 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.519 using that word to describe it because that word has 923 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:25.000 kind of gotten an association with you. It call sure, Sure, 924 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:27.639 it's doesn't separate from the fact that the word, what 925 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.199 the word means, and the word applies to what's in 926 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.119 the Bible. For sure. There's just good versions and bad 927 00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:36.960 versions of knowledge. That's what we're talking about here, That's right, or. 928 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.079 Employments, I would even say, right, yeah, because if you 929 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.679 read and if you read Enoch, the first Enoch, it 930 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:48.400 very clearly lays out what the watchers gave, gave useless knowledges. 931 00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:50.960 That's what the words that the actual words are used. 932 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.679 They were useless knowledges. It's not that they they weren't knowledges. 933 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.400 They were just useless. And you know, you can take 934 00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.400 that word useless to mean a lot of different things. 935 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.199 I haven't done it for etymological dive there, but there's 936 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:02.760 a lot to be. 937 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:04.920 To be, you know, sorted through there. 938 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:10.000 None of least doesn't necessarily have to be alchemy. Alchemy 939 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.119 is just a practice. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's 940 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:17.159 a useless thing. I mean, we have clear Christian individuals 941 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:21.079 talking about the purification of the soul, right and if 942 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.400 you you actually I think it was Para How do 943 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:24.960 you say his freaking name, Paracel? 944 00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.239 I get it wrong all the time. I think I 945 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:34.559 think it's Paracelsius. You're supposed to say it whatever, pa. 946 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.079 Para Celsus because I don't have to say so. Paracelsus 947 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:41.000 really goes into that, right, He talks about how the 948 00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:46.199 actual refining of the soul from base metals into gold 949 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.760 is the ultimate purpose of the transmutative process of the 950 00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:54.239 human being, like that actually is and it's I love 951 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.239 the phraseology that he uses there too, right, because if 952 00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.039 you look very careful and I read it, I re 953 00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.480 read it again. I was like, wait, what he says 954 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:07.360 the alchemical process that's transmutative for the soul, not done 955 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:11.000 by the individual, but allowed by the individual. And I 956 00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:14.159 was like, wow, that's really cool. So there's there's beauty 957 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.480 to be held there. Man, it's not it's not like 958 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.280 one and done. And so like when I tell you 959 00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:20.960 stuff like I did just a while ago, right, that that. 960 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.000 The actual our actual intentions. And as you read through 961 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:24.840 this book you'll see this. 962 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:30.440 Kasarev goes into this the the famous theoretical astrophysicist. He 963 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:40.440 breaks down how how time and space cause this crazy twisting, Right. 964 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.639 That's where I wanted to go, next person, and so 965 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:51.440 that twisting imbuse physical objects with information, memory, all sorts 966 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:52.519 of other stuff we can. 967 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:54.800 Totally get into, but just to kind of seal my 968 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:59.079 point here is that the actual intentions of the human 969 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:03.360 being are rit on the material prima. That's by design. 970 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.199 That doesn't there's nothing evil about that. That's just the 971 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:08.199 way it works. 972 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:08.440 Bro. 973 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.440 Like, you don't have to like it, but it is 974 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:12.400 what it is, right, right. 975 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.719 And and I'll you know, yeah, and I want to 976 00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.199 touch on that this so going back to because we 977 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.159 kind of hinted about it, it joked about it a 978 00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.679 little bit, like this concept of space, right and planet yeah, 979 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.559 stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm 980 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.599 agnostic on the whole flat earth thing. I just I 981 00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.239 can't go to I love to see more evidence. Sound 982 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.519 just leave it at that. But these guys, right, I 983 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.079 get you. I mean, I believe in space. Yeah, I 984 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.880 don't believe. I don't think that natal well flatterers do too, right, 985 00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.599 like they don't think. I don't know, man, I've had 986 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:43.360 some on that. 987 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:47.639 Didn't really like outright out right, I mean just the 988 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.519 firmament something like that. That's I mean, I would say 989 00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:53.840 that's not even that's not even a biblical concept, like 990 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:57.239 biblically like, there is clearly more than one heaven, right, 991 00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:58.360 so there has to be some. 992 00:55:58.199 --> 00:55:58.800 Sort of space. 993 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:00.519 Whether whether we can get there or not. You know, 994 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:01.679 you can debate all day. 995 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.519 But something's up there, something I'm still going to call 996 00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.239 it space, or at least at the very least I'll 997 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:11.000 call it the heavens. I do believe in planets. That's 998 00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.599 what I've talked to people who do not believe in planets. 999 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.960 They think that's something else up there. Anyways, I think 1000 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.719 the planet's around and that they move, and that they 1001 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.679 I think that these alchemists were working with the heavens 1002 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.880 in that kind of a way. That's what you see 1003 00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:33.599 in virtually all these alchemical texts, especially Paracelsus, is they 1004 00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:40.039 are factoring in where the planets are to do their alchemy. 1005 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.719 And I lost my place in this book, but I 1006 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:45.480 think I may have wrote down the wrong page. But 1007 00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.559 there's a part in here that talks about astrology and 1008 00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:54.199 the Earth and the interesting connections between Heaven's space and Earth. 1009 00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:56.679 And when I say earth, I mean like physical ground, 1010 00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:59.800 like stones and crystals and stuff like that. Now that 1011 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.480 never use this phrase. I'm cringing already because I'm about 1012 00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:05.320 to use this phrase. 1013 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:08.800 Okay, I'm bracing as. 1014 00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:12.639 Above so below, dude, Yes, I hate I don't ever 1015 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.119 use it. I've heard it. It's been so it's been 1016 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.719 people just throw it out. They don't know what it means. 1017 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:24.440 It's become an idiotic adage that people get tossed around carelessly. 1018 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:27.119 But for these guys, they what they were saying by 1019 00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.440 that is that there is there is a connection point. 1020 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.000 It's a very dense concept, but that there is a 1021 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.519 connection between the heavens and Earth and and there's an 1022 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:45.199 alchemical uh process proceed well, like an alchemical vein between 1023 00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:48.719 the two. It's like it's almost like there's like a 1024 00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:52.880 biological connection between the two somehow in like a metaphysical 1025 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:53.480 kind of a way. 1026 00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:55.239 Well, if we're talking about sentience, I don't see why 1027 00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:56.800 not right right, right. 1028 00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.360 It's not biological in the fact that maybe you might 1029 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.840 perceive it as. But there's some sort of there's they're 1030 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:05.000 all connected, and there's some sort of a function, and 1031 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:10.119 there's some sort of a bodily I don't know, they've 1032 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.280 been put together in a way to where they work 1033 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:13.800 together like clockwork or something. 1034 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.679 So yeah, i'd really like to touch on that that 1035 00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:18.840 yeah concept, if that's cool. 1036 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.280 Yes, yeah, because I wanted to get into the yeah, 1037 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:22.639 go ahead, the good stuff. 1038 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:28.119 Yeah, So that whole as above so below, there's there's 1039 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:29.880 a lot of aspects like you just said to it, 1040 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:33.559 but the Egyptian concept is really that there was there 1041 00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:36.039 was an essential what I mean, what we you and 1042 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.559 I would probably call right like the how do we 1043 00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:42.800 say it in scientific terms nowadays? Like the uh that 1044 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.800 matter was highly condensed into one tiny thing. That's what 1045 00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.280 you usually usually say. The difference here is that that 1046 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:54.159 the Egyptian would say that the the non existence was 1047 00:58:54.199 --> 00:59:00.719 all one one undifferentiated matter. In other words, it was 1048 00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:04.800 all one single thing. There was no differences in it. 1049 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.400 It was all completely Is it homogeneous when it means 1050 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.880 that it's the same throughout right homogenous? And it was 1051 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:16.960 a homogeneous thing. And then as there was what is 1052 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:22.199 called the primary schism, which is the original breakage you're 1053 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:29.119 looking at, essentially like a break into different different matter. 1054 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:34.719 In other words, the undifferentiated matter differentiated and began to 1055 00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.920 create what you and I now know as as you know, 1056 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:43.920 Newtonian physicality. But it also created non Newtonian physicality. It 1057 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.920 created the I mean, it is all those things. 1058 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:49.039 I mean, so I think what So I used the 1059 00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.599 word vein because I was searching for words a second. 1060 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.440 I'm trying to describe this connection between heavens and Earth, 1061 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:56.440 and I used the word vein, And what I mean 1062 00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.920 by that was like a network of veins like you 1063 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:03.639 would see it in biology. Where but what I'm trying 1064 01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:05.960 to say is like, it's it's I'm I mean it 1065 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.039 in a my like my celium network kind of a way. 1066 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:12.559 Okay, Yeah, I think that the term that the alchemists 1067 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.880 use is really appropriate is the lattice work. 1068 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:16.599 I think that's really really good. 1069 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.440 That's that's my favorite term, and it really makes a 1070 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.760 lot of sense, dude, I mean, and I want to 1071 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:22.360 lay these out. 1072 01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:23.199 This is super quick. 1073 01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.239 Materia prima is space is undifferentiated matter. It could be 1074 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.039 referred to as air, It could be referred to as crystal, 1075 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.400 or the lattice work. It can be referred to as 1076 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:36.559 the divine essence, the divine quorternary, the ether, on and 1077 01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:40.599 on and on and on. There are tons of expressions 1078 01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.480 for this because it's it's sort of ineffable, right, I 1079 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:44.920 mean right, and with. 1080 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.400 The lattice work thing in the end, this as above, 1081 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.119 So blow imist, say it one more time. Yeah, what 1082 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.360 you're saying is this lattice work. I love that, dude, 1083 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:56.039 And you're right. I've read that before, but yeah, you're 1084 01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:59.960 you're right to highlight that lattice work of the heaven 1085 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.320 and the lattice work of the crystals within the earth. Yeah, 1086 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:08.840 because their crystals look like lattices or they have, So 1087 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.599 that's there's a there's a great you know, man, I 1088 01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:14.840 just I just as you're saying it. 1089 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.199 This is a concept I've had since I actually read 1090 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.840 the book I referenced a while ago, which was Revising Reality. 1091 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.280 When they said lattice work, what actually came to mind 1092 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.440 for me was, uh, dude, I'm sorry, I'm gonna forget 1093 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.559 the word in English. It's always in my brain in Spanish. 1094 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:33.000 Sorry. Uh. When you have a. 1095 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.239 Like what painters use when they a scaffold, you have 1096 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.320 a scaffold, right, like, that's that's what comes to mind. 1097 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.280 Between as above, so below you have a scaffolding work 1098 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.639 of where the origin point came from the top downward 1099 01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:50.079 right like it was, it trickled down, and so you 1100 01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:52.159 have a scaffold. There's a way to get back up. 1101 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:56.280 But obviously a scaffold gets smaller and smaller and smaller 1102 01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:59.280 as it heads back up to its final origin point, right, 1103 01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.719 because it's it's dangerous the farther up you go. And 1104 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:04.800 I would say that the lightest work, I dare say 1105 01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:07.159 that it's it's probably very much the same way. 1106 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:12.440 Yeah, I mean so different crystals, I love that you 1107 01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:17.880 mentioning this is somuch associated with different moon phases. So 1108 01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.199 so now I've never told this story before, and I'm 1109 01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.480 I'm I'm almost hesitating to tell it right now, but 1110 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:25.519 I'm going to this is the podcast to tell it 1111 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:31.280 because it's a super woo woo. I have this moonstone 1112 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:37.320 right here because and I didn't plan this out that 1113 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.039 it just so happened that the first podcast I ever 1114 01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:46.239 did was on Halloween night during a full moon, and 1115 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:48.000 I was like, there's got to be something sick there. 1116 01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.639 There's significant stuff to it. I'll just leave all that 1117 01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:53.480 out for another time. But it was a very it 1118 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.960 was a very synchronistic kind of a thing for me, 1119 01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:58.880 so I was I looked up, I looked up the 1120 01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:04.000 the the crystal associated with that moon phase, and it's moonstone. 1121 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.679 So I ordered one just to have here. It's just 1122 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:11.199 it's right here next time my laptop for one podcast memory. Yeah, 1123 01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:14.320 there's nothing, there's nothing else. We we were magic like 1124 01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:16.960 about it. It's just it just represents my first podcast. 1125 01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:19.719 But this is the song. This is the crystal associated 1126 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.920 with that moon phase the first night I started. And 1127 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:25.840 it's funny because I later found out that This is 1128 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:30.119 also referred to as a worry stone, which is something 1129 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:34.280 that you hold to kind of calm your nerves. It's 1130 01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:39.079 like a stress reliever. And I didn't know that until recently. 1131 01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.480 But it's funny because you know, I've always reached out 1132 01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:45.639 and grabbed this whenever I get nervous on a Podcast's interesting. 1133 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:49.559 That's really interesting, man. Yeah, you're gradding it out, grabbing 1134 01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:53.000 it out. Don't be nervous now, kidn it. That's that's 1135 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.480 really cool that you're mentioning that. Since we're on the 1136 01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:59.199 topic of, you know, personal stories. I mentioned this U 1137 01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:02.400 not too long and I guess unintentionally to jump this way, 1138 01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:04.280 but since we're kind of already going to go in 1139 01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.440 the direction of Philosopher's stone, no matter what, it's just 1140 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:10.360 going to happen. There was and I mentioned this on 1141 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.480 a previous podcast. Just I don't even know why it 1142 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.000 came up. I think it's because I was reading this 1143 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.280 book actually at the time. And by the way, this 1144 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:19.159 book is really dense. It was really hard for me 1145 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:20.960 to read through. I loved every second of it, but 1146 01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:24.599 it was intense. It was an intense read, especially with 1147 01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:27.039 the scientific con like when he brings in actual like 1148 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:30.440 academic level science. It gets really complicated. It's pretty It's 1149 01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:34.519 cool read though, But one of the things I really enjoy, 1150 01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.320 and I actually wrote this out. I wrote each one 1151 01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:39.559 of them out in my notes. I took copious notes 1152 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:44.360 for this is the phases of the changes and colors 1153 01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:49.639 when confectioning the Philosopher's Stone. And you know, I'm not 1154 01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:52.239 going to go into all those. Essentially start with white 1155 01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:54.559 and you get red. That's basically, you know, what most 1156 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:57.559 people say when they're trying to make this thing. But 1157 01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.360 there's a bunch of other color phases in between. Well, 1158 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:03.559 we're talking about the moon, so it only seems appropriate. 1159 01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:10.599 When I was five years old, I had just moved 1160 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.360 to where my parents live now, which is al Paso, Texas. 1161 01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:16.119 I no longer live there, but that's where I grew 1162 01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:20.000 up basically, And I had a next door neighbor who 1163 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:25.039 was a friend from the previous city that was a. 1164 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:25.840 Good buddy of mine. 1165 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:28.159 And actually she lives in San Antonio, not that far 1166 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:29.519 from me now, but I haven't met. 1167 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:30.320 Up with her in ages. 1168 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.280 But we were super super close when we were little, 1169 01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:36.639 and it was night if I'm not mistaken, it was 1170 01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:39.559 a full moon, and I was out there playing. I 1171 01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:41.800 had one of those tiny little trampolines, you know, the 1172 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:44.199 single trampolines that we all had when we were kids 1173 01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:47.719 and back in the eighties, right, And I was jumping 1174 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:49.360 on a trampoline. We were talking and I looked up 1175 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.679 at the moon and it was white. And we kept 1176 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:54.119 talking and I looked back at the moon and it 1177 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:55.119 was yellow. 1178 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:58.199 And I was like, well, that's weird. The moon is yellow. 1179 01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:01.039 So I ran inside it tell my parents, hey, the 1180 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.599 moon's pillow. I was five, right, And I come back 1181 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.400 out and the moon's green. 1182 01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:10.239 And I'm like what. And I go back in and. 1183 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:14.840 The moon's blue and purple and red, I mean, and 1184 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.559 it just color after color until it finally phase shifted 1185 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:21.079 back into white. But I remember this very characteristically. I mean, 1186 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.239 this is one of those things that I'm not making 1187 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:24.880 it up. I didn't, you know, this is something like 1188 01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.440 I actually witnessed happen, and I was thinking about that. 1189 01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.960 I'm not telling you this has anything to do with 1190 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:33.239 the creation of Philosopher's Stone or anything like that. I 1191 01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.079 just thought it was really, really fascinating, and I didn't 1192 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:36.679 even I. 1193 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:42.039 Would call that an alchemical par paranormal story. Maybe so, dude, maybe, 1194 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.159 so that's what it because it has it had. I mean, 1195 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:48.880 I've read, heard research thousands of paranormal stories, and that's 1196 01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.199 I would categorize that as potentially a paranormal story. 1197 01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.000 It's very weird. It's a very weird thing. And it 1198 01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:57.159 wasn't it wasn't creeped out. 1199 01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.239 It could have been something atmospheric, sure, sure. 1200 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:01.719 Sure, but I mean it is a little weird that 1201 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.519 it was like, you know, when you're running inside and 1202 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:08.199 outside for in a period of like what like maybe 1203 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.480 a minute and a half maximum in your kid, Yeah, 1204 01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:12.320 it was really wild. 1205 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.880 Yeah, that's that's crazy, man, that's crazy. But yeah, so 1206 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:18.960 you you and thanks for telling that. That's that's I've 1207 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:21.320 not heard a story quite like that. It's very interesting. 1208 01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:25.679 You were talking about the Philosopher's Stone right before that, Yes, yes, so, 1209 01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.239 And I think that's that's a good place to pick 1210 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:32.719 this back up, because yeah, you take in minerals, crystals, 1211 01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.920 ingredients from the earth to make the Philosopher's Stone, right right, So, 1212 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.440 page thirty eight, This is one of the notes I took. 1213 01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.679 He he talks about well, you know, he's kind of 1214 01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:48.400 like laying the groundwork for like, what is the Philosopher's 1215 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.000 stone here? Right, And he's it's cool because he cites 1216 01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:55.159 this old book called the Sophiic Hydrolypt and he goes, 1217 01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:00.000 according to seventeenth century book and dial of the Sofa High, 1218 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:06.800 the Philosopher's stone or the ancient secret which is incomprehensible, 1219 01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:10.960 heavenly blessed, and the try and universal stone of the stages, 1220 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:14.880 which you laid out. The trying stone earlier is made 1221 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:18.840 from a kind of mineral by grinding it to powder, 1222 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:23.800 resolving it into three elements, and recombining these elements into 1223 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:29.439 a Sawa stone of the likeness or fusibility of wax. Yeah, 1224 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:33.880 that's wild though that story I told earlier, I was 1225 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:35.800 on the podcast and I was trying to just break 1226 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:41.159 this down on that show. I was pulling from what 1227 01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:43.680 I've read in the old text, and I end up 1228 01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:47.960 describing it as a soap. It's kind of like wax. Right, 1229 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:50.119 that's interesting. It's not necessarily a rock. 1230 01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:56.199 Yeah, I mean, so there's a really very interesting and 1231 01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.560 this is not quite the rock and this is more 1232 01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:01.800 of a powder explanation here. But I don't know, if 1233 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.239 you read this, you got to this portion of the book. 1234 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:06.479 This but is absolutely fascinating to me. This is not 1235 01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:06.920 something I. 1236 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:07.720 Never heard before. 1237 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:16.359 But they in the portion in Exodus when Moses comes 1238 01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:20.000 upon the Israelites, you know, reveling in sin as it 1239 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:24.800 were he had. He finds them with the golden calf 1240 01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:28.359 and they're, you know, sitting there imbuing it with God 1241 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.960 knows what kind of spiritual power at the time. He 1242 01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:34.039 grinds the thing up, and the Bible states that he 1243 01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:38.119 makes them drink the gold, and that was like, I 1244 01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:41.560 was like, Oh, that's terrible, what a terrible thing to happen. Well, 1245 01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:46.680 Parrell and a lot of previous authors and I'm talking 1246 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:52.279 like fifteen sixteen hundreds right way back when attribute that 1247 01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:57.039 to an actual technology that Moses had to purify the 1248 01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.319 gold to make them drink it, so that they could 1249 01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:04.640 be purified themselves, like actually healed. Like that's actually what 1250 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:06.079 the idea was for. 1251 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:09.119 And so you think about it and enlightenment as well. 1252 01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:11.920 I've heard that it had some sort of an effect 1253 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:16.960 ken to enlightenment, like clearing up brain fog or even 1254 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:21.680 you know, sort of casting out bad ideas. Oh that's interesting, 1255 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:24.239 I've heard. I've heard that that was wrapped up in 1256 01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.840 as part of possibly a side effect of drinking. 1257 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.079 Well, I mean, you know, if we if we've learned 1258 01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:34.960 anything from Jabby season, we know that the blood brain 1259 01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.000 barrier is a big deal and that our actual human 1260 01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:42.960 physiology is drastically affected, you know, in our brain by 1261 01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:47.359 what's going on biologically within us. So you know, I 1262 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:48.600 think that that's a valid point. 1263 01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:51.319 I think that that, yeah, and I think that story 1264 01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:55.359 has its place, but in the right, right, right, But 1265 01:10:55.399 --> 01:11:00.720 I think you know, that story has its place, and 1266 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:04.680 it seems there's something alchemical happening there now absolutely now 1267 01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:07.199 the Philosopher's Stone. 1268 01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:11.239 And then just to kind of bring that home full circle, right, 1269 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:12.319 because some people be like. 1270 01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.079 These damned wanna be Christian boys. 1271 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:19.439 Right, somebody's listening to this podcast thinking that right now, well, 1272 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:21.960 let's bring it full circle. And let's be clear, right, 1273 01:11:22.119 --> 01:11:25.840 Moses made them drink this gold, and he purified it. 1274 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.800 And the way the Bible described the Biblical text describes 1275 01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:34.119 this gold is not regular gold. You don't grind up 1276 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:36.800 gold like that. There's no way to do it. You 1277 01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:41.199 need it requires an excessive amount of heat to get 1278 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.239 it into that state in the first place. So this 1279 01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:47.920 whole concept that alchemy is all bad. I think we 1280 01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.560 need to tread very carefully there. I'm not telling you 1281 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:52.399 to go out and be an alchemist. I'm just saying 1282 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:53.920 take it with a grain of salt. 1283 01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:54.680 Yep. 1284 01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:54.479 Ye. 1285 01:11:54.800 --> 01:12:00.880 So like that story, he somehow figured out a way 1286 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.760 to potentially grind it into powder. That's that's what it 1287 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:08.279 sounds like. The Philosopher's Stone cannot be a pre existing stone. 1288 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:11.560 It has to be. It has to to undergo a 1289 01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:14.760 change itself before it can make changes. Part of that 1290 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:18.479 process is going to be grinding it into powder. Right, 1291 01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:24.159 the stone can affect no change or transmutation until it 1292 01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:29.960 has undergone change and transmutation itself. Yes, yes, Going with 1293 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:34.800 the biblical Kayans, they liken it to leven Yeah, oh 1294 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.600 that's right, that's right. You know, you know the Israelites 1295 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.960 were not to eat eleven yeast made bread at times. 1296 01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:47.960 There's possibly an alchemical reason for that. But back to 1297 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:50.920 the Philosopher's Stone, it says here he's got to three 1298 01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:56.960 stages of sort of uh making it right, you subject 1299 01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:01.720 it to stress, they can grind it to powder. Do 1300 01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:06.800 you recapitulate or or or break it down and resolve 1301 01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:15.760 it into its three elements, and you recombine those elements, 1302 01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:19.640 you reverse engineer, right, you recombine those elements into a 1303 01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:23.520 solid stone. Now is it a solid song at that 1304 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:25.640 point or is it more like a waxy type or 1305 01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:27.840 is it more like a soapie type of substance. It 1306 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:31.479 probably depends on the minerals you're working with. But yeah, 1307 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:35.960 so this is this is this is a lot like 1308 01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:42.439 the the uh you know what those Spergerics processes as well, spagirics. Oh, 1309 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:45.239 I'm not familiar with this. What's that s p y 1310 01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:50.560 g something something spagirics if Paracelsis was was famous for, uh, 1311 01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:57.359 like perfecting the process. It's making tinctures and yeah, what's 1312 01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:01.720 the other word we used tinctures? Blickser bingo. 1313 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:06.279 Yeah, you know there's something that just like popped into 1314 01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:07.760 my brain when you were saying that you made it, 1315 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:13.119 you made it. It made me understand something when you 1316 01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:17.279 were talking about the creation the fabrication of the Philosopher's 1317 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:19.560 shone itself. Now we can get into a little bit 1318 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:23.680 later why this is the case. But Kasarev lays it 1319 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:27.560 out really well, I really really if if you're if 1320 01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:34.319 your audience has not researched Kusarev. Dude, do yourself a 1321 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:36.600 favor and go read up on that guy. 1322 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.399 He's the Russian guy that he talks about in this book. Yes, 1323 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:41.680 he's the one. I'm sure you've heard. What you probably 1324 01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:42.920 whateverbody probably knows about Hi. 1325 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:44.960 If you know anything about him, is the mirror that 1326 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.840 he made, the Kasarev mirror, which is the spiral mirror 1327 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:50.199 that you sit in there, and he would literally have 1328 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:57.359 paranormal time dilated hallucinations. Will yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something 1329 01:14:57.359 --> 01:14:59.039 you should really go. That's what I knew about him 1330 01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:01.279 before I even read this book. So when I read 1331 01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:02.720 that he was in here, I was like, oh, I'm 1332 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:04.199 so excited, and I learned tons. 1333 01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:04.560 Of new stuff. 1334 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:08.760 But he he posited that, Oh my gosh, I just 1335 01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:09.479 lost my train of thought. 1336 01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:11.199 Oh I hate when that happens. Well, that's good, I'll 1337 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:13.600 pick it up. Yeah, you're good, because we're not too 1338 01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:17.479 far off track from this anyway. So oh, I remember, let. 1339 01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:18.840 Me get let me get this in super quick. I'm sorry, 1340 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:23.279 I just remember before I forget. He he infers that 1341 01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:27.840 time and space being twisted, which we were talking about earlier, 1342 01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.760 is part of that process. And what you just said 1343 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:39.319 about essentially distilling the the actual physical properties the Newtonian physicality. 1344 01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:44.359 I'm talking about our physicality. Breaking those those things down. 1345 01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:49.720 You have to include the materia prima back into the 1346 01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:53.720 creation of the Philosopher's Stone, and that grinding and that 1347 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:58.039 wearing and that torsion. All of that is necessary to 1348 01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:01.279 be able to imbue the lost for stone with the 1349 01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:06.319 materia prima along with the now differentiated matter, which would 1350 01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:10.560 be the actual you know, chemicals and elements and everything 1351 01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:12.239 that we're talking about. So I just wanted to lay 1352 01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:13.680 that out because it's super important. 1353 01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:16.920 That's good. That's it, man. And where we're going with this, 1354 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:25.279 of course, is that the alchemists use this process they 1355 01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.520 create their Philosopher's Stone, and they proceed to turn metals 1356 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:34.119 into gold. Yeah allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. So, and that's where 1357 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:37.880 this book really picks up for me. Starting around page 1358 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:45.319 sixty four, you start to get these alchemical stories. Oh yeah, 1359 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.439 those are great. I wrote them all out, dude. Or wait, 1360 01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:50.880 I'll come back to this. I'll come up for this 1361 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:55.319 for it. Part of this is the Arizona gold story. 1362 01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:58.159 Oh gosh, that's where the book I'll come back to 1363 01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:00.640 these these other stories in a little bit, let's talk 1364 01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:03.319 about this. Let's talk about Arizona Gold. Have you seen 1365 01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:07.119 that documentary All the Gold you Can Eat about Ormus? No, 1366 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:08.840 but I need to watch it. I'll send you the link. 1367 01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:11.399 You're gonna have to watch this one, will I promise 1368 01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:14.319 you this. We could have a screening of this right 1369 01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:19.279 now and sight into the conversation. That's what this Arigona 1370 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:24.079 Arizona gold story is developed in. If I remember correctly, 1371 01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:27.159 on the documentary, this guy, this Hudson guy that he's 1372 01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.000 talking about, who has the farm. I think he's actually 1373 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:34.159 on that documentary talking for parts of So this is 1374 01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:36.640 where this book tasts a wild turn. This becomes one 1375 01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:40.840 of the wildest stories ever ever. People, people one hundred 1376 01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:43.479 years from now will be like, people knew about this 1377 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:47.279 and nobody did we think about it? So this Hudson guy, 1378 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:49.920 he has a farm outside of Phoenix. 1379 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:53.760 In his background, right, his his background is so unlikely, dude. 1380 01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:57.920 It's unlikely. Yeah, it's happenstance. He's a smart guy. It 1381 01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:00.399 could have happened to a better person. He had the 1382 01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:03.640 wits to do something about it. But he discovers so 1383 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:06.560 the way I took it is he's out there and 1384 01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:10.720 he's trying to farm the desert, essentially the soil out there. 1385 01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:14.079 I've been to Phoenix, you know. It's there's different types 1386 01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:16.399 of flora and fauna. The girl out there that are 1387 01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:20.079 there desert plants, that's you can't just go plant anything 1388 01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:23.439 out there. And in his case, the soil was so 1389 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:30.680 in really by sodium sodium rich that he had to 1390 01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:38.359 chemically apply chemicals essentially to furic acid. Okay, so yeah, 1391 01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:38.880 and it was. 1392 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:44.960 He has yep, and that's unlikely, right because forty to 1393 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:47.039 sixty is what you get in car batteries. Ninety three 1394 01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:49.319 is insane amount of acid. 1395 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.600 Absolutely, So he's treating the soil so he can grow stuff. 1396 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:56.039 So that's when he comes across this anomaly. He discovers 1397 01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:01.239 essentially an alien substance that when exposed to heat, that 1398 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:07.319 substance either doesn't register as anything, it registers as nothing, 1399 01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:13.920 war it turns into like one of many things every 1400 01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:21.039 exactly iron, rodium, platinum, silver, and apparently gold. At some 1401 01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:24.279 point some of it golds wound up in this So 1402 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:27.000 the craziest part of this is he's going around to 1403 01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.720 all these labs and he's tried talking to the the 1404 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:35.000 top people in their field, bringing them the substance of being, like, 1405 01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:36.920 can you tell me what it is? And sometimes it 1406 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:41.079 registers as nothing. So we've got something in Arizona. Now 1407 01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:45.199 that's an alien substance that registers as nothing. When it's 1408 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:51.239 not registering as nothing, it's changing what mineral types or whatever. 1409 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:55.079 It's like, it's it's completely changing elemental types. 1410 01:19:55.239 --> 01:20:00.159 It's perfect. It's changing elemental types like the color in 1411 01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:04.119 your story, like the moon changed com like the alchemical 1412 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:07.720 texts described the change of colors to the serum to 1413 01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:12.600 the elixir. So he's yeah, and it's there's there's stuff 1414 01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:16.520 like iron and platinum. Yeah, there's other like more exotic 1415 01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:19.520 type stuff, right, and it's most So it's wild man 1416 01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:25.439 changing its weight while it's transmuting. Yeah. Yeah, that's the 1417 01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:28.439 freaky part, I know. I know. Well, here that takes 1418 01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:34.000 us back to to physics, it does, and quantum physics 1419 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:38.039 and extra dimensional quantum physics, because we can get to 1420 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:41.279 this part. But he finds out, he finds out why 1421 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:44.319 this thing is registering in it half away that it 1422 01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:47.960 should be. It's so wild man, Q how put off right? 1423 01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:53.800 Which is the the famous theoretical physicist. So what what 1424 01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:56.880 How essentially says, from here he contacts How right, and 1425 01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:59.600 and I wish, I wish there. There's so much stuff 1426 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.479 in here. It is such a cool story, and there's 1427 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:05.199 thing after thing after thing. But for time's sake, we'll 1428 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:08.880 just have to cut it down. Essentially, How is a 1429 01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:13.840 very famous, well known and renowned physicist, and he's written 1430 01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:19.960 a paper about superconduction superconductivity, and in that paper he 1431 01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:26.680 describes exactly what Hudson, David Hudson has mentioned, which is 1432 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:32.359 that he finds when he's doing this process, and the way, 1433 01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:33.960 the fact that he even is able to do this 1434 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:35.960 process was with what he has and get all these 1435 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:38.479 elements is insane, Like he has to get all sorts 1436 01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:41.720 of crazy technology compiled to even get it to work 1437 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:45.199 in the first place. But when he does, he comes 1438 01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:48.039 back with the fact that there is forty four percent 1439 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:52.479 of the mass of this whatever it is, right, is 1440 01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:55.520 just disappearing. It's gone, and if he reheats it to 1441 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.039 a certain amount, he'll bring the mass back. But you're 1442 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:01.960 sitting at a square fifty six percent. Well, How put 1443 01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:07.479 offs paper literally lines out that five ninths amount, which 1444 01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:11.079 is exactly fifty six percent of the weight, which is 1445 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.680 now crazy the percentage it lines to the percentage. 1446 01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:17.760 And he didn't know how put off until later. This 1447 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:21.279 is this is total a total sink, a total sync 1448 01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:25.880 up that this gout how put off research lines up 1449 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:28.840 with this guy's findings. Wow, he's trying to figure out 1450 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:32.279 what what is this? That part's crazy? 1451 01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:34.520 It is man, And what's really crazy? This is even 1452 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:36.800 crazier to me. This is what really got me thinking, 1453 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.000 especially on my second read through. The first read through, 1454 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:40.720 I remember I was thinking about it, but on the 1455 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:42.600 second I was like, wait. 1456 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:46.119 What So we got to tell people to what they discovered, 1457 01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:49.920 like what they discovered? What was happening? I'll tell it 1458 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:50.399 in a minute. 1459 01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:53.520 Yeah yeah, okay, So how put off paper is about 1460 01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:57.039 super conductivity, Like I was mentioning in super conductivity under 1461 01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.600 traditional understanding, traditional academic understanding is that that has to 1462 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:04.760 take place under ridiculously cold temperatures, like very close to 1463 01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:07.640 absolute zero for that to even happen. And what super 1464 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:13.319 conductivity is, to clarify, is when electricity electromagnetism is allowed 1465 01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:17.239 to flow without any impedance through a physical object. 1466 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:18.279 That's what that is. 1467 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:23.960 But Essentially what we what he was watching happen is 1468 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.560 he was doing the opposite. He was heating the thing, 1469 01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:32.199 and the heating of this potential potentiality of the Philosopher's 1470 01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:37.680 Stone was essentially losing mass, just like happens in super conductivity. 1471 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:42.840 But super conductivity is the absolute opposite, which is very wild. 1472 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:46.399 And what he was what he ended up telling How 1473 01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:49.479 How ended up telling him put off that is gotcha. 1474 01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:52.880 I gotta this one. They basically go for it. That 1475 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:56.159 the material was bending space time. 1476 01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:59.199 Yes, yes, and not only bending space time. 1477 01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:04.039 Aka me is real, that's my little person. It's certain. Yes, No, dude, 1478 01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:04.880 that's absolutely right. 1479 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:07.039 When I read this thing too, I was flying on 1480 01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:08.960 a plane to Virginia, bro, and I was like, oh, 1481 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.000 I couldn't put the book down. 1482 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:13.640 I was like, there's more to this story, like we 1483 01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:16.359 can't we can't do it all today. That's fine, Like 1484 01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:20.439 that's it in a nutshell though, Yes, right, I mean 1485 01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:23.279 I think he ended up calling this stuff or miss Yes, 1486 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:25.239 that's right, he did well. And the only point I 1487 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:26.039 really kind of want. 1488 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:30.039 To put the bow here is that he what How 1489 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:33.119 tells him is what to me, like got me super excited. 1490 01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:35.279 You just said, it's real. But what Hal tells him 1491 01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:38.359 is essentially the matter that you're looking for is in 1492 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:42.960 another dimension. It's not here, which tells you it is 1493 01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:46.239 on the materia prima. It's returned to the materia prima, 1494 01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:50.159 which is why it's lost mass, which is why it's 1495 01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:54.439 easy to transmute, because it's not working the same way. 1496 01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:58.600 There's a portion of the Materia prima that's directly interacting 1497 01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:01.520 with this substance, which is wild. 1498 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:07.359 Which could be see this could be misconstrued as witchcraft. Yeah, 1499 01:25:07.439 --> 01:25:10.600 as well, right, going back to like our talk early 1500 01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:13.560 on in the episode where we're like, there's there is 1501 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:17.000 something more alchemy, something more supernatural. I think you used 1502 01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:20.479 the word ritual, and I don't disagree. Yeah, there is 1503 01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:22.800 a like it seems like a ritual element to some 1504 01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:26.479 of this stuff. But also because what what we just 1505 01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:32.680 explained seemed like magic, right, Yeah, I put it might 1506 01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:35.399 just be a form of higher science that we just 1507 01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:36.920 don't understand yet. Yeah. 1508 01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.600 Absolutely, Well man, I mean really it's it's kind of 1509 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:43.520 what what what Pharrell mentions and you mentioned you referenced 1510 01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:47.239 what he says about Adam, right that Adam was was was. 1511 01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:51.680 Well acquainted with these concepts. These were not unfamiliar things. Uh, 1512 01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:54.600 and today they get labeled as a cult because. 1513 01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:57.520 We just don't understand exactly. And that's that's such a 1514 01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:00.760 that's such a failure on the churches part, dude, it's 1515 01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:03.640 a huge failure. Instead of addressing these things head on, 1516 01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:07.239 we get terrified and say that they're a cultic. Well, 1517 01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:09.880 a cultic just means you don't understand, bro. A cult 1518 01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:12.479 is just like saying you're ignorant, Like, just call it 1519 01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:15.000 what it is, you know, if you don't understand something. 1520 01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:17.239 And the word I like in particular is arcane, because 1521 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:20.079 I think that that kind of avoids this whole you know, 1522 01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:22.720 this boogeyman thing that's. 1523 01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:23.760 Hiding behind everything. 1524 01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:25.880 If you call something arcane, it just means not a 1525 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:27.159 lot of people know about it. 1526 01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:29.399 Right. There's a quote in the book I thought that 1527 01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:33.319 summed it up nicely, and that is doctor Frell says, 1528 01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:37.600 you know, we have an mbred modern skepticism towards all 1529 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:43.359 things extraordinary. Yeah. Programmed, Yeah, a programmed to think. We're 1530 01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:46.479 programmed to just dismiss or to think, oh it must 1531 01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:48.399 be something weird or woo woo. 1532 01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:52.319 Right' what's genius to me is that. And I mean 1533 01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:55.079 no disrespect to anyone. I mean this and literally the 1534 01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:58.279 most love I can possibly give. I'm American, but I've 1535 01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:00.680 lived abroad, I've lived in other countries. 1536 01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:01.520 I know what that's like. 1537 01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:04.600 And I love my country to death. But I won't 1538 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:07.560 for a minute believe that you know that this is 1539 01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:12.000 like the pinnacle of existence because we are so we 1540 01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:16.039 have lost so much essential knowledge to even understanding why 1541 01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:20.720 the Gospel is even relevant right to we've thrown it 1542 01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:23.000 in the trash. And I think that this exploration of 1543 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:26.279 stuff just like this, of alchemy and things like it 1544 01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:29.720 is a huge disservice not only to Christianity but humanity 1545 01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:33.720 man in general. Like it's just it's it's laughable if we. 1546 01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:35.920 Can mean well, I think it got stripped out. And 1547 01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:38.239 I won't go into this because it's a love story. 1548 01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:39.640 I've said all this a lot, but you know, I 1549 01:27:39.680 --> 01:27:43.319 think I think it was stripped out of secular institutions. Yeah, 1550 01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:45.399 you know, and we see that today with cern that 1551 01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:51.560 they won't accept that there's you know, a supernatural or 1552 01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.479 spiritual element to all this, which there is in my opinion, 1553 01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:58.239 they won't accept it. And then going back to the 1554 01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:02.399 church and that the service that has arrived out out 1555 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:05.960 of that. It's it's been stripped out of the churches 1556 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.439 as well as this super just this belief in the 1557 01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:12.760 supernatural altogether. Bible is a very supernatural book, and you 1558 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:16.439 don't necessarily you get a very bare bones, dry dusty 1559 01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:20.279 version of that in a lot of American churches today. 1560 01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:23.960 So it's been it's coming from both areas, you know, 1561 01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:29.039 both the secular and the spiritual in my opinion, or 1562 01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:31.000 or we should call it not the spiritual, but the 1563 01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:35.720 modern spiritual movements have been stripped of the supernatural. But 1564 01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:37.920 you know, I used to think alchemy was this old 1565 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:42.439 dated mystery, but this is an invigorating subject. This happened 1566 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:47.000 what sixty years ago? Maybe maybe what hud Hudson, Yeah, 1567 01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:50.039 I think it's more recent than that, fifty forty years. 1568 01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:53.399 It's somewhere around there. Man, maybe, I mean, he's I'm 1569 01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:56.439 pretty sure he was. He was featured in that documentary. 1570 01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:58.439 It's been a while since I've seen it, but they 1571 01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:01.119 definitely referenced this case and that unique You've got to 1572 01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:05.279 see it. But you know, this book is we I 1573 01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:10.000 think we've illustrated by way of conversation today that this 1574 01:29:10.039 --> 01:29:15.479 book is uh is has depth, has extreme depth. Yeah, 1575 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:20.800 but it's decisively upbeat at the same time. Absolutely, stories 1576 01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:24.119 like this are are are super upbeat, super invigorating, and like, 1577 01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:28.399 so going back to what I skipped over, you know, 1578 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:31.199 you've got this whole part starting at page sixty four, 1579 01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:34.439 and this is just for fun. He throws in all 1580 01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:38.399 these old stories. These are great. These are awesome about 1581 01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:41.000 how people you know, these are These are alchemists of 1582 01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:43.800 old who were said to have actually done the deed 1583 01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:47.720 and transmuted some substance in the gold. And it's like, 1584 01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:51.760 see where do I start. You've got the sweetest general here. 1585 01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:57.399 Let's see this is an interesting case, right yeah, yeah, yeah, 1586 01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:04.960 so this is from seventeen oh five. Sweetest General Pikehole. 1587 01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:06.880 I don't know how you say his last name, but 1588 01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:11.239 he's yeah, he's He's convicted of treason and sentenced to death. 1589 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:15.800 In an attempt to get out of that, he offers 1590 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:19.199 the king, King Charles Uh. He offers to give him 1591 01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:22.520 a million crowns of gold annually, saying that he could 1592 01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:27.159 produce it alchemically, and and he claims to have received 1593 01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:30.960 this secret from a Polish officer named Lebinski, who had 1594 01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:34.479 himself obtained it from a Corinthian priest. Now that's interesting, 1595 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:38.039 mm hmmm. That would suggest that someone in the Corinthian 1596 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:43.640 priesthood add access to this knowledge. So the king accepts 1597 01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:47.520 the offer and they arrange a preliminary test to make 1598 01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:51.079 sure that this guy wasn't full of it. He's it's there. 1599 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:54.800 The whole engagement is like heavily supervised. They have a 1600 01:30:54.800 --> 01:31:00.520 British officer there of the Royal Artillery and all these 1601 01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:04.399 other observers. So basically all the materials were prepped with 1602 01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:07.479 great care in order to prevent the possibility of fraud. 1603 01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:11.640 Right and uh, basically that's when this guy he adds 1604 01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:16.399 his election and to a little bit of lead and 1605 01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:19.760 a massive gold was produced. It's wild to the point 1606 01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:22.159 where they have it recorded that it was going to 1607 01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:25.880 weigh in at one hundred and forty seven doukats. Yeah. 1608 01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:29.640 So and they actually you know, struck a metal or 1609 01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:33.680 or made a medal and put an inscription on the 1610 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:37.159 metal in Latin that kind of read that this guy 1611 01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:40.479 I pay call cast this gold by chemical art and 1612 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:44.840 Stockholm in seventeen oh six. So the records are in 1613 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:49.039 the records are in folks. Now here's the thing. These 1614 01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:55.119 stories for years have been dismissed, heavily, heavily dismissed. But 1615 01:31:56.039 --> 01:32:00.880 he ferrel goes on to show more, you know, more stories, 1616 01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:05.000 yeah about this. Like my favorite is probably Paris, because 1617 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:09.640 I've come across Paris a lot in my studies. Like, 1618 01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:17.199 the Nazis invaded Paris in nineteen forty. I believe it was, 1619 01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:21.560 Oh yes, And I think he brings us up, don't he. 1620 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:24.000 He may have. He may have later he gets in. 1621 01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:26.840 I don't know if he no, he well, I don't 1622 01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:28.880 know if he talked about this part, particularly that I'm 1623 01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:32.319 about the layout. But when the Nazis invaded Paris in 1624 01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:35.479 nineteen forty, the first because we know right that they 1625 01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:40.279 they took they went to museums and they looked for gold, 1626 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:42.720 and they took art and all that stuff. Before they 1627 01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:45.159 did all that, they went straight to the Freemason lodges. 1628 01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:51.000 They raided the Freemason lodges first because they wanted that 1629 01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:55.199 esoteric knowledge. Yeah, that's where they had it in value. 1630 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:58.760 They valued it above other riches. Right, And there was 1631 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:02.279 a guy who kind of spearheaded that. His name was 1632 01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:07.840 Rosen Berg Alfred Rosenberg. I think he was a Nazi 1633 01:33:07.960 --> 01:33:10.239 and uh, you know, he's one of these neo pagans 1634 01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:14.279 right openly a cult Nazis. And what what he was 1635 01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:18.319 looking for in Paris we have record of this. Rosenberg 1636 01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:24.840 was looking for the Philosopher's Stone because he knew about 1637 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:30.560 all these infamous Paris alchemists like Nicholas Famel and Faulconelly. 1638 01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:33.640 At the time, Falconelly was rumored to still be around 1639 01:33:33.680 --> 01:33:37.680 in the forties. But so there's a there's a story here. 1640 01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:40.800 It's one of these Paris alchemist stories. It's called the 1641 01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:47.399 Provincial Frenchman. Uh, let's see, I'm trying to figure out 1642 01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:50.359 if I can just do this without reading it. There's 1643 01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:57.439 a guy named Delicial. Yeah, he caused a sensation by claiming, 1644 01:33:57.920 --> 01:34:00.760 with apparent good reason that he could train form iron 1645 01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:04.640 and steel into gold. The news came to the ears 1646 01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:08.880 of the Bishop of Sinez, who, after witnessing one of 1647 01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:13.600 the Liesel's experiments, wrote to the Minister of State and 1648 01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:16.039 the General of the Treasury in Paris that he could 1649 01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:19.680 not resist the evidence of his senses. So anyway, in 1650 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:24.399 seventeen ten, the Lisel was summoned to lions wherein the 1651 01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:28.520 presence of the Master of the Lions Mint. You know again, 1652 01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:31.920 his is somebody who's there to observe and make sure 1653 01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:34.079 there's no fraud. This is the Minister of the Mint, 1654 01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:35.800 the guy who knows you know. 1655 01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:37.680 I mean, if you're going to ask anybody to be 1656 01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:38.079 that guy. 1657 01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:42.520 Yeah. He made a much show of distilling some unknown 1658 01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:45.840 yellow liquid. So we're back to in a philosopher's stone, 1659 01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:51.359 that's this elixir form. Yep. He then projected two drops 1660 01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:56.279 of the liquid upon three ounces of pistol bullets fused 1661 01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:01.800 with saltpeter and aluminum, and the molten mouse out on 1662 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:05.720 a piece of iron armor, where it appeared as pure 1663 01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:12.560 gold and was tested and was tested to be gold. 1664 01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:16.159 So they did the same thing here. They minted it, 1665 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:18.359 or whatever you want to call it. They made a 1666 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:22.319 medal that the gold thus obtained was coined by the 1667 01:35:22.359 --> 01:35:25.199 Master of the Mint into medals, and they inscribed it 1668 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:28.920 and with Latin I think, and they said gold made 1669 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:32.479 by art. That's crazy. And then they put it in 1670 01:35:32.520 --> 01:35:33.920 the Museum of Versailles. 1671 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:37.720 Yeah, I'm wondering if that's You gotta wonder if that's 1672 01:35:37.720 --> 01:35:40.000 still there today. And and what's really cool about this 1673 01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:43.239 story in particular is that he's just a commoner. He's 1674 01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:46.479 not any kind of like really well respected, well known 1675 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:47.399 kind of individual. 1676 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:49.159 He's just he's just a. 1677 01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:55.199 Commoner exactly right, right, who knows, right. But there's no 1678 01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:58.239 there's nothing else written about his life, which is very interesting. 1679 01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:01.800 You're like, well, he probably got you know, got the 1680 01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:04.880 the the knife or the the firing squad or or were. 1681 01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:07.000 They just or they locked this guy up in the basement. 1682 01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:12.680 We're gonna, you know, we're gonna up our per capita 1683 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:16.199 or whatever. They're gonna you know, they're gonna make themselves richer, 1684 01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:20.159 more wealthy. They're gonna use the guy. I think they 1685 01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:23.159 probably did. Speaking of the Nazis, what the Nazis did 1686 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:25.720 with a lot of their brilliant minds, they put them 1687 01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:28.479 underground in these huge underground facilities, and they had them 1688 01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:32.640 working on secret projects for the improvement of the empire, 1689 01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:37.359 for the improvement and the extension of the empire. I'd see. 1690 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:41.640 That's why, because it says here, uh, you know, after 1691 01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:44.319 this story, you can't find anything else out about this 1692 01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:48.600 Delile guy. It says, it says of Delile's subsequent life 1693 01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:53.319 history has nothing to relate, so you know, all could 1694 01:36:53.359 --> 01:36:56.079 be true here, like you're they maybe they killed the 1695 01:36:56.119 --> 01:36:59.279 guy eventually, yea, maybe they I don't know. Or maybe 1696 01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:02.000 they put him underground and just made him put them 1697 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:04.479 to work, you know, whatever was more useful for them. 1698 01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:07.319 For sure. You just don't want somebody like that to 1699 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:09.199 fall into the hands of your name. 1700 01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:13.479 Oh oh no, man, I mean absolutely not. There's there's 1701 01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:16.000 something you mentioned too, by the way, about them looking 1702 01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:21.119 there in Paris. I remember reading and maybe I'm maybe 1703 01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:23.880 I'm just like projecting or forgetting, but I don't think so. 1704 01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.760 I do know that alchemy is also referred to the 1705 01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:32.520 emerald tablets of thought, and that is specifically what the 1706 01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:36.319 Nazis were calling it when they were looking for this knowledge, 1707 01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:39.319 when they were when they were poking around in France. 1708 01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:42.680 That specifically they had a version of thought that they 1709 01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:47.279 called Toot. Yeah that's right. Yeah, that so there was 1710 01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:55.079 a Germanized God, little g God that they derived from thought. 1711 01:37:55.319 --> 01:37:58.640 And and aside, note I'm starting to think so, so 1712 01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:02.079 you know, they took the Egyptian antheon and they germinized 1713 01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:04.479 it essentially. I think it was too. I think it 1714 01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:07.960 was t e U T or something like totem is 1715 01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:09.880 what they called it, but it was their version of thought, 1716 01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:13.560 and they also had a version of I think I'm 1717 01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:15.920 starting to think that they had a version of Ishtar 1718 01:38:16.039 --> 01:38:20.039 as well, and they called her a stara or oh yeah, 1719 01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:24.840 a start right. Well, yes, I think it may have 1720 01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:26.760 been a start day. I know that. 1721 01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:28.720 The only reason I mentioned that is because it's you know, 1722 01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:32.119 it's it's the etymological roots, like that's that's my that's 1723 01:38:32.119 --> 01:38:34.079 my favorite rate, man, that's my bread and butter. You 1724 01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:35.840 asked me like, oh, well, how did this come? Well, 1725 01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:37.840 I want to know what it says, and I want 1726 01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:39.760 to know where it came from. That's how you find it, man, 1727 01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:42.199 That's how you find this stuff. Like just follow the trails, 1728 01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:44.000 just like all the money. You follow the words, you 1729 01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:44.399 find it. 1730 01:38:44.439 --> 01:38:47.079 Bro. Yeah, yeah, So what I didn't mean to derail 1731 01:38:47.079 --> 01:38:50.079 you though, you're about the thought thing that the Latchens 1732 01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:52.079 were kind of reproduce what they. 1733 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:56.079 I just think that it's very interesting that that they 1734 01:38:56.119 --> 01:38:58.720 had already made that connection and that that's like a 1735 01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:02.159 code word, if not a I don't know what would 1736 01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:08.680 we call it, a uh, socio religious kind of terminology 1737 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:11.000 that they were using for it. They were already calling 1738 01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:14.279 this the Emerald Tablets of thought. They were calling these 1739 01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:18.199 these tablets. They were calling them like essentially the the 1740 01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:20.960 information they were looking for, so to speak. 1741 01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:23.720 If that makes sense, Yeah, absolutely, it's in it. It's 1742 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:28.960 very interesting how history has seemed to forget all the 1743 01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:34.920 occult ties to Nazi occult themes, even better to to 1744 01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:38.840 Nazi Germany. And I mean, like even that Ostara that 1745 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:42.600 just jog my memory. There was a and I won't 1746 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:45.680 go into all this, but like my research, what I 1747 01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:48.680 found are these guys. I've been calling them the Shamans 1748 01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:52.439 of the Third Reich. They're the people who were essentially 1749 01:39:52.520 --> 01:39:56.399 just that they were influencers to all your major Nazis. 1750 01:39:56.399 --> 01:39:59.600 They were influencers to that Rosenberg guy, to Hitler himself, 1751 01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:03.439 to Heimrich Kimler, to Rudolph Has, all those guys. All 1752 01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:11.800 those Nazis had their their favorite neopagan shaman as you do, 1753 01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:18.000 just one does if you're a Nazi, especially uh and 1754 01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:21.800 and one of those guys was your Glantz von Liebensfields 1755 01:40:22.359 --> 01:40:26.920 Mm hmm. Do you know that name? Major major influence 1756 01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:29.439 on Hitler. You might be people might be hearing this 1757 01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:33.600 here first, because this is not very well known. There 1758 01:40:33.640 --> 01:40:36.600 are a couple of these shamans, right, This guy Rudolf 1759 01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:40.159 v on Sebottendorf is one. Walter Mahaus is one Guido 1760 01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:42.520 von Leist and I could just keep going. They're the 1761 01:40:42.600 --> 01:40:49.439 influencers of Nazi Germany anyway, your glance. Von Liebensfield's produced 1762 01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:55.439 a magazine published a magazine called Ostara, named after this 1763 01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:59.920 German goddess that I suspect is the Sumerian and or 1764 01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:05.319 h or a Saturday. And that was Hitler's favorite magazine 1765 01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:09.960 before he even became Hitler. He was reading a Star 1766 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:13.399 of magazine when he became when he became Hitler, the 1767 01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:16.840 Hitler we know, the Chancellor of Germany. He was said 1768 01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:23.359 to have had a collection of over fifty magazines, all 1769 01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:25.960 Astara that kind of travel with him like anytime he 1770 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:29.800 go somewhere with his magazine collection. So he was super 1771 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:33.439 into this stuff. Wow, And I could just keep going 1772 01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:37.039 with example after example here. But the Nazis were into 1773 01:41:37.239 --> 01:41:41.000 this and like to come back around to like physics, right, 1774 01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:45.159 because we talked a lot about physics here. There was 1775 01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:50.960 a guy named Manfried von Ardine. I know that name. 1776 01:41:51.319 --> 01:41:56.720 He was a physicist who worked for the Nazis. He 1777 01:41:57.079 --> 01:42:00.680 actually built a crew TV in nineteen thirty one as well. 1778 01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:04.479 Very smart guy, really, yes, because the Nazis put out 1779 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:07.720 probably one of the first TVs because they I think 1780 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:11.199 they rolled it out for the Olympics in thirty five 1781 01:42:11.319 --> 01:42:13.920 or thirty seven or whatever it was. Yeah, I mean 1782 01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:16.680 these were the first broadcast yeah exactly. But this guy 1783 01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:18.680 built one in thirty one, right. But he was also 1784 01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:24.520 a physicist and I think he got into He's one 1785 01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:26.720 of these guys that was working underground for them, right 1786 01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:30.119 in these underground facilities that were ran like guys from 1787 01:42:30.680 --> 01:42:37.159 Ran From, guys like Hans Kamler and Jacob Spormer. They 1788 01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:40.439 had the Nazi secret weapons project going on and it 1789 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.640 was running full glass because when Hitler opened up the 1790 01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:46.199 Second Front with Russia, they were in over their heads 1791 01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:48.319 and they needed a miracle weapon. So they had these 1792 01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:51.800 guys working overtime. One of those guys is this Manfred guy. 1793 01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:59.439 Now what's interesting here is the Russians got him after 1794 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:04.319 the war. We didn't. This gets into the Bell project 1795 01:43:04.439 --> 01:43:08.920 and all that. So I feel like a lot of 1796 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:11.840 the Nazi Bell or the Declock stuff we just we 1797 01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:14.319 don't know much about over here because a lot of 1798 01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:18.720 that technology probably went to the Russians. So Manfried he 1799 01:43:18.800 --> 01:43:21.800 goes to Russia, he gets a Stalin Prize for his work. 1800 01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:27.520 Colleagues of his in interviews would later recount that he 1801 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:29.960 when when they'd get around him and he'd start telling 1802 01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:32.359 his war stories, he said he was witnessed two D 1803 01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:37.960 glock back in Germany. Hmmm. So what they did was 1804 01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:43.239 the Soviets, working with Manfried uh and other former Nazi scientists, 1805 01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:47.119 developed they developed nuclear fusion from this guy wow and 1806 01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:50.680 what they called the tokamac oh wow. And this cause 1807 01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:52.880 this is going to get us into red mercury, right 1808 01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:58.399 because we know Manfried was working with isotopes for the Russians, 1809 01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:02.319 and we know in this book Farrell presents a good 1810 01:44:02.359 --> 01:44:05.960 case that they had developed a laser for the separation 1811 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:12.680 of isotopes. Yeah. Yeah, Mercury has seven isotopes. So I 1812 01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:15.279 think that that fell right into what they were working 1813 01:44:15.279 --> 01:44:19.399 with was mercury. And I you know, specifically what his 1814 01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:22.800 team was doing was they were We know that Feral 1815 01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:25.479 says they were using lasers. They probably were. They probably 1816 01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:28.439 developed one of the first lasers or early prototypes, but 1817 01:44:28.520 --> 01:44:32.760 we know that they were also doing electromagnetic separation of isotopes, yes, yeah, 1818 01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:34.960 and which is the more common knowledge, right right, right, 1819 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:41.079 and moncular like molecular techniques for separating uranium and all that. Right. 1820 01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:50.439 So I think the Nazis had a handle on red mercury, yeah, 1821 01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:53.359 and the alchemical use of it. Yeah. 1822 01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:55.720 Do you think that that's the serum five to five? 1823 01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:59.520 Possibly? You know, I had to I didn't have time 1824 01:44:59.560 --> 01:45:02.319 to read that part of the book. Unfortunately, you're good men. 1825 01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:04.399 I'm gonna have to go back and read that that 1826 01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:06.880 particular part. That's what I was. 1827 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:08.640 Man, it took me a long time reading this book 1828 01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:11.640 just because I so many things going on. But uh, 1829 01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:14.159 it's it's uh yeah, it's a page turner, dude. This 1830 01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:17.039 whole thing is a p I'm curious, I just just 1831 01:45:17.079 --> 01:45:18.319 out of curiosity here. 1832 01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:22.159 Have you ever read, uh, well that the Indian vaded 1833 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:25.000 texts play into this too, but I know that's something 1834 01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:28.079 I Have you done research on that, by the way, Yeah, absolutely, 1835 01:45:28.239 --> 01:45:31.840 that's cool. Were putting they were using red mercury. So 1836 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.960 I just spared everybody the details there with with where 1837 01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:38.800 I was going with that. Basically, with scientists like Manfred 1838 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:43.359 Dardine that I think the Nazis were able to develop 1839 01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:48.880 an early TOKENMAC prototype, something they used probably for free energy. 1840 01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:52.279 They probably tapping into that and anti gravity as well. 1841 01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:55.199 I'm not saying they built a straight up UFO. I 1842 01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:57.840 do think they got something left off the ground though. 1843 01:45:57.960 --> 01:46:00.840 I think they were working on it, and plays a 1844 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:03.720 big role in that because if you put mercury in 1845 01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:07.399 a taurus like a tokamac, which Manfrey develops four of 1846 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:10.560 the Russians he develops the first tokamac for them. You 1847 01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:13.920 with that mercury, you magnetize the taurus and you you 1848 01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:17.399 if you rotate the mercury and you like pressurize it 1849 01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:20.920 and maybe electrify, you get anti gravity properties as well. 1850 01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:26.039 You get alchemical flight essentially, and that's what is described 1851 01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:29.800 in the ancient Indian invaded text they talk about literally 1852 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:35.159 they say you put mercury in a flying disc and 1853 01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:36.479 they called him v Monas. 1854 01:46:36.560 --> 01:46:39.600 Right, yeah, so it's the text I and you need 1855 01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:41.439 to get into. Hey, I'm just curious, have you read 1856 01:46:41.560 --> 01:46:43.840 before I don't know how to say it before, Hitler, 1857 01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:45.560 have you read that book before? 1858 01:46:47.439 --> 01:46:49.399 No, I'm going to order it though. That was that 1859 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:53.960 was uh Liban Fields, right, your glance on leaving Field's book. No, 1860 01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:56.920 that was sorry, spotan Doorhip. 1861 01:46:57.119 --> 01:46:58.840 That's when I'm when I was reading through this, I 1862 01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:00.880 was like, oh, that's one I would have to It's 1863 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:03.720 I'm really curious about the work. 1864 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:06.039 Anyway, I'm derailing this my bad. No, no, you're good. 1865 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:09.359 No that No, that's that works because it's interesting there 1866 01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:15.640 is that that's probably more aligned with the true story 1867 01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:19.319 of what actually happened there. When that book came out, 1868 01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:23.760 the Nazi shut it down. Oh big time quick. Uh. 1869 01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:28.760 They they banned publication of it, They burnt copies they 1870 01:47:28.760 --> 01:47:31.880 could get their hands on. They they literally shut it down. 1871 01:47:32.159 --> 01:47:35.640 And I suspect they did so because they didn't want 1872 01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:39.520 that true story getting out there. That they basically based 1873 01:47:39.560 --> 01:47:44.760 everything they did off of the occult everything, and Spottanorf 1874 01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:46.560 was a big part of that. The guy who wrote 1875 01:47:46.560 --> 01:47:51.479 the book, they because they used his He created the 1876 01:47:51.880 --> 01:47:57.319 Thuley Society. He realized that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, so, and 1877 01:47:57.399 --> 01:48:01.479 the Thuley Society became the Workers Party, which became the 1878 01:48:01.560 --> 01:48:05.960 Nazi Party. Right right, Duley Society was using the swastika. Yeah, 1879 01:48:06.239 --> 01:48:08.079 they had a bent version of like. 1880 01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:11.279 Which is such a it's such a misnote that actually 1881 01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:13.960 plays directly and I mean you you probably already know 1882 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:15.760 this in your audience probably likely knows it as well. 1883 01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:18.520 But I just think it's really fascinating that that, I mean, 1884 01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:22.680 what what the swastika actually means, right, is talking about 1885 01:48:22.680 --> 01:48:26.479 the actual torsion of the universe itself, right, the torsionary 1886 01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:29.600 nature of the universe, which plays right back into the 1887 01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:33.159 materia prima why, which is why it's so relevant to 1888 01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:37.520 the Nazi symbol. I mean, it plays into the material prema, 1889 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:40.399 It plays into the philosopher's stone, it plays into the 1890 01:48:40.439 --> 01:48:43.720 actual use of how to levitate things, right that they 1891 01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:47.359 were working towards that, which is essentially you you get 1892 01:48:47.359 --> 01:48:50.800 this the the what is it called the tim off 1893 01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:52.239 the top of my head, and I remember farm is 1894 01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:54.119 it the Farmland Conversations? Is that? 1895 01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:59.239 Yeah, like the farm tapes or whatever? That yeah, yeah something. 1896 01:48:59.199 --> 01:49:01.399 Yeah, well and and right then and there, right, you're 1897 01:49:01.439 --> 01:49:04.399 already seeing it's really interesting. This is from from a 1898 01:49:04.520 --> 01:49:06.520 linguistic perspective. That's what's so interesting. 1899 01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:06.720 Man. 1900 01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:10.000 You see what they call these lasers, They call them 1901 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:13.920 death rays, which which is so telling, Like you're like, well, 1902 01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:16.279 what do you want it for? Well, obviously you know 1903 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:18.439 what they want it for, right, Like they're going to 1904 01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:20.279 give it a name like death rays. What are they 1905 01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:22.520 what are they researching it for? That's the only thing 1906 01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:23.279 they could want it for. 1907 01:49:23.319 --> 01:49:26.680 And so it may have come out of that laser 1908 01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:30.439 that they developed to separate isotopes. I'm sure it did, 1909 01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:32.760 you know, or one led to the others kind of 1910 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:37.239 like that's one of the thoughts behind that, you know, Yeah, 1911 01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:41.039 I mean, and you know, there was another Nazi facility 1912 01:49:41.359 --> 01:49:48.239 that near Lynz where blueprints were found they're of unknown 1913 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:52.479 engines that ran on mercury. This was a Nazi facility 1914 01:49:52.520 --> 01:49:56.199 where they so you know, there's a there's a whole 1915 01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:58.920 you know, this is late in the program to open 1916 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:01.680 up too many doors, but there's you could go down 1917 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:04.479 the red mercury thing and like I've found, you know, 1918 01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:07.479 and and and also like so they they I think 1919 01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:11.560 they knew how to use that and they were preparing 1920 01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:16.560 to use that to put in some sort of flying device, 1921 01:50:16.880 --> 01:50:19.359 or they were or they they figured out the free 1922 01:50:19.439 --> 01:50:23.239 energy capabilities, yeah, or both or both. Because there are 1923 01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:27.840 articles that I've come across. One was I think one 1924 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:31.119 was an Israeli magazine, and one was maybe a Norwegian 1925 01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:34.359 magazine or newspaper. They ran these articles where they talked 1926 01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:37.119 about how they found a German u boat from the 1927 01:50:37.159 --> 01:50:40.119 war and they went down there and they had to 1928 01:50:40.159 --> 01:50:43.239 bury it in concrete and rubble because they were afraid 1929 01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:45.479 of the content seeping out into the ocean because of 1930 01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:49.800 what it had on board was tons of mercury. WHOA, Yeah, 1931 01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:54.760 the Germans were taking it somewhere somewhere in Indonesia or Japan. 1932 01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:57.359 Maybe that's exactly right. But they had their hands on 1933 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:00.439 all this red mercury, and there's never been a efficient 1934 01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:03.920 reason as to why. Yeah, I think it goes back 1935 01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:06.239 to this stuff we're talking about. I think you're absolutely right, man. 1936 01:51:06.279 --> 01:51:09.560 I mean I think that that you know, and what's 1937 01:51:09.720 --> 01:51:13.720 that's what's so fascinating about about alchemy itself, right, There's 1938 01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:17.239 so many applications that they could use that for, like 1939 01:51:17.359 --> 01:51:21.840 a ton of applications, not only weapons, but obviously you know, 1940 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:23.960 the glock and stuff like that. I mean, you get 1941 01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:27.720 just thing after thing after thing that this was like there, 1942 01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:30.760 I mean, this was their their their golden calf, so 1943 01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:32.840 to speak. This was the prize for that. 1944 01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:35.399 Oh yeah, and you know what you since you mentioned 1945 01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:37.840 this thing about earlier about some of this knowledge and 1946 01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:43.000 making its way to China, right too, maybe even further 1947 01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:46.239 south Asia, right, But and we were and I was 1948 01:51:46.319 --> 01:51:49.000 kind of like thinking, you know, maybe one of Noah's 1949 01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:51.279 sons went down there and put that with him, like 1950 01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:55.359 there's a lot of this knowledge is still there and 1951 01:51:55.800 --> 01:51:59.159 to bed. Yeah, and the Chinese have their hands on it. 1952 01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:04.520 But it's that for sure, because that's where the Nazis went. 1953 01:52:04.800 --> 01:52:08.119 They took that that excursion to Tibet. They went to 1954 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:12.840 the little city of Lahasa where there's a fortified Tibetan 1955 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:16.000 library there. Who knows how old it is, but that's 1956 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:20.239 where all these Vedic texts are stored, and they and 1957 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:25.239 they spell out this alchemical flight, right. So, and the 1958 01:52:25.319 --> 01:52:28.239 Chinese government recently came out and said they sent a 1959 01:52:28.279 --> 01:52:33.479 team in to Lahasa to the library and book UH 1960 01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:37.319 some of the Vedic texts, and UH implemented they were 1961 01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:40.319 going to implement it in their space program, their current 1962 01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:44.560 space program. Of course they are. And it's all this 1963 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:49.680 Vimana stuff, man, that's you know, occult Nazis and Vimanas. 1964 01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:51.119 I wanted to at least touch on it because he 1965 01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:53.319 does have a part in the book here about you know, 1966 01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:57.680 diacolt Nazis, esoteric nationalism and all that, but it's it's 1967 01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:01.199 really good. This was good man, Yeah, good stuff. This 1968 01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:01.680 is fun. 1969 01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:05.279 I I hesitate to even bring up China because I 1970 01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:08.520 could talk about that all day, dude, But yeah, that's right. 1971 01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:10.399 That's where ilse going with that is that I think 1972 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:13.520 that knowledge ended up down there. 1973 01:53:13.600 --> 01:53:16.119 So well, there there's a there's a slight mention in 1974 01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:20.600 the book right of Hong who who is essentially. 1975 01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:23.439 What do we call it. 1976 01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:27.680 He's he's recognized as having created the elixir of life, right, 1977 01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:30.399 the the the eternal, and it's in a pill form. 1978 01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:33.439 So we're going back to the powder. But what's what 1979 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:37.479 was so fascinating to me, Tim was that the way 1980 01:53:37.680 --> 01:53:40.000 this dude did it right. He said that you needed 1981 01:53:40.159 --> 01:53:44.279 absolute hermeticism, which is, you know, total isolation from everyone else, 1982 01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:46.439 so that that allows you kind of a spiritual channel 1983 01:53:46.479 --> 01:53:50.399 to to you know, kind of work with or or 1984 01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:54.479 kind of bacon. But what's really crazy is that he's like, 1985 01:53:54.520 --> 01:53:58.159 you need a high mountain. You can't just go to 1986 01:53:58.359 --> 01:54:00.800 any mountain. It has to be a high mountain. I'm like, 1987 01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:03.079 of course, it freaking has to be a high mountain. 1988 01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:07.319 Where else would you go to commune with with the highers? Right, 1989 01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:09.079 like it's as wild dude. 1990 01:54:08.920 --> 01:54:12.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something to that too. The higher places, 1991 01:54:12.920 --> 01:54:16.159 you know, it's it's all throughout the Old Testament where 1992 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:18.680 God kind of orders them to take down what they 1993 01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:22.000 call the high places. Yeah, because the Shamans were going 1994 01:54:22.079 --> 01:54:25.840 up there and you using that for some reason like 1995 01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:28.760 the elevation or something. Yeah, you know, you find it 1996 01:54:28.800 --> 01:54:31.279 in the in the Tower of Babbel story as well. 1997 01:54:31.680 --> 01:54:34.000 They had to go up high and to the earth 1998 01:54:34.239 --> 01:54:36.960 or then to the atmosphere to do you I think 1999 01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:38.920 that that was for a portal. Personally, I think they 2000 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:42.520 were trying to open up a portal there potentially to 2001 01:54:42.640 --> 01:54:45.840 go back to the Garden of the Yeah, you know, 2002 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.800 it's because it reads in Genesis. It almost reads as 2003 01:54:48.840 --> 01:54:52.880 if God when God sealed that off, it was it's 2004 01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:56.439 kind of, I don't know, for better mind visible up 2005 01:54:56.479 --> 01:54:58.199 in the up in the air. 2006 01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:01.000 A buddy of mine thinks that well, so if you 2007 01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:04.680 look at Heyser's work, he really he really believes that 2008 01:55:05.079 --> 01:55:08.760 it's kind of common knowledge now amongst most academics that 2009 01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:11.239 have to do with where the Garden of Eden was 2010 01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:12.079 was on a hilltop. 2011 01:55:12.119 --> 01:55:15.479 It was on a mountain, right, And. 2012 01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:17.720 What a buddy of mine, David Paxton shout out to 2013 01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:23.119 the Hidden Day podcast, he believes that essentially that when 2014 01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:25.039 Eden was closed off, it was closed off by a 2015 01:55:25.079 --> 01:55:29.399 plasma sword. He was like completely like a big old 2016 01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:33.279 plasma field covered over that and that heated the entrance 2017 01:55:33.319 --> 01:55:34.960 anymore after that, And so yeah, you would. 2018 01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:37.960 But it was it was up high, right yep yep. 2019 01:55:38.520 --> 01:55:41.199 So yeah, so yeah, man, that's that's crazy. And I 2020 01:55:41.399 --> 01:55:43.399 you know, but whatever they were doing at the Tower 2021 01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:46.159 of Babbel, they were using elevation to well. 2022 01:55:46.199 --> 01:55:49.600 It's really weird to him that when you think about 2023 01:55:49.600 --> 01:55:51.920 the Tower Babbel, because the Tower Babbel actually was built 2024 01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:55.960 in a valley, which is super weird. It's in the 2025 01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:59.199 valley of Shinar and obviously they were building up. I 2026 01:55:59.199 --> 01:56:01.479 mean they would, you know, if you're building some sort 2027 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:04.000 of tower, erecting some sort of a zigarot, right like 2028 01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:06.479 you're going up. But the curious thing is is like 2029 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:10.760 why why in a valley like there was clearly something. 2030 01:56:10.680 --> 01:56:11.600 Lay lines there. 2031 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:14.319 Yeah that's true too, but that's true too, that's true too. 2032 01:56:14.359 --> 01:56:16.159 But I would say, you know, I. 2033 01:56:16.159 --> 01:56:18.119 Think it was some sort of a vortex point. 2034 01:56:18.399 --> 01:56:20.359 It must have been, dude, because there's no reason to 2035 01:56:20.399 --> 01:56:22.399 build in a valley when you're gonna go for elevation. 2036 01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:26.000 I mean, we we know, at least some of us. 2037 01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:28.800 I have a good, strong suspicion that the lay lines 2038 01:56:28.840 --> 01:56:31.880 are very real. Oh. I'm convinced that they're real. The 2039 01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:36.600 ancient people built their temples and cities and structures on them, 2040 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:37.479 and they line up. 2041 01:56:37.800 --> 01:56:41.479 Well, we're we're we're reticent to believe that. You know, 2042 01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:46.000 the magnetic field that guides all creatures on Earth works 2043 01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:48.199 just fine, but there's no such thing as lay lines. 2044 01:56:48.319 --> 01:56:49.399 Give me a break, dude. 2045 01:56:49.399 --> 01:56:53.880 Come on, geometric. There's probably a geometric form to it. 2046 01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:59.319 There's a lot, if you will almost yeah, you know, 2047 01:56:59.399 --> 01:57:02.600 and like I love all this research. We can start 2048 01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:07.039 to wrap it up here. You mentioned Heiser just to 2049 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:09.680 just to kind of touch on something that we were 2050 01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:14.119 talking about earlier, to do with how shady some of 2051 01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:17.239 this information can be perceived by people, especially in the 2052 01:57:17.279 --> 01:57:19.960 Christian community. I just want to say this. If Heiser 2053 01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:23.800 hadn't gone into the esoteric realms, I don't know that 2054 01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:27.119 we would be having a conversation at the divine counsel, 2055 01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:31.840 and many other many other very important spiritual concepts that 2056 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:37.199 you find in the Bible. He had to go there though, right, 2057 01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:40.760 he had to look at the esoteric realms to sort 2058 01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:43.760 of bring clarity to up to other doctrines. 2059 01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:45.600 If you don't get your hands dirty, then you don't 2060 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:48.399 know what you're talking about, right. 2061 01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:51.239 And I think the alchemy topic is important because the 2062 01:57:51.319 --> 01:57:54.399 super nautral well, it's it's it's a part of this. 2063 01:57:54.920 --> 01:57:58.680 It was taken out of early science, like I said, 2064 01:57:59.039 --> 01:58:02.760 and it was taken out of these early pockets of 2065 01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:06.720 believers or something it was. I don't know, man, it's like, okay, 2066 01:58:06.760 --> 01:58:14.199 science became secular alchemy and the church became secular religion. Yeah. 2067 01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:18.960 Wow, that's a that's a statement. It is important to 2068 01:58:19.000 --> 01:58:20.840 dig into this stuff. And I'll tell you in particular 2069 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:24.159 why there are not many things tim that we can 2070 01:58:24.199 --> 01:58:29.640 do as humans that directly affect the divine. There are 2071 01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:32.479 a few, which is prayer, you know, meditation as well, 2072 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:41.119 fasting is another. But this alchemical process does clearly does 2073 01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:43.720 have a spiritual implication to it, and it has a 2074 01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:44.880 spiritual effect. 2075 01:58:45.319 --> 01:58:45.479 Right. 2076 01:58:45.560 --> 01:58:50.199 Otherwise, this this this substance wouldn't be losing mass. That 2077 01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:52.520 was like, that was like the clincher for me, dude. 2078 01:58:52.520 --> 01:58:55.159 When when I read that Hudson found out that forty 2079 01:58:55.199 --> 01:58:57.000 four percent of that mass was gone, I was like, 2080 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:00.560 it went to the freaking spiritual realm. What a wild 2081 01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:04.079 thing to happen. That's that's so like, it's so unbelievable, right, 2082 01:59:04.359 --> 01:59:07.119 and so you understand that it's not spiritual realm one 2083 01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:09.439 on top of the other. It's it's fused, bro, Like 2084 01:59:09.439 --> 01:59:11.520 they're they're like this, they're interlocked. 2085 01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:14.399 So that's my final thought. Anywow, No, that's a good 2086 01:59:14.399 --> 01:59:18.960 final thought to end it on. It is it is Wow, 2087 01:59:19.479 --> 01:59:21.880 that's it man. I mean, I don't know how close 2088 01:59:21.920 --> 01:59:25.039 we are to this other realm, but I've often referred 2089 01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:27.439 to it as a neighboring realm, and I do think, 2090 01:59:27.560 --> 01:59:30.319 I do think we're interlocked with it. And you know, 2091 01:59:30.479 --> 01:59:35.600 people have even suggested that the ether is something that 2092 01:59:35.760 --> 01:59:40.119 happens in relation to Well, so if we're up against 2093 01:59:40.159 --> 01:59:43.960 this realm and there is this fusion, there's there's going 2094 01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:47.119 to be telltale signs of that. There's going to be reactions, 2095 01:59:47.199 --> 01:59:50.960 there's to be you know, maybe even a reactionary substance 2096 01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:53.600 between our realm and the spiritual. There you go and 2097 01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:56.720 let's go. So there's all kinds of fun stuff here 2098 01:59:56.760 --> 01:59:59.840 for people to unlock. Code man, So this has been 2099 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:03.319 that's right. Thanks for coming on. Tell everybody where they 2100 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:03.880 can find you. 2101 02:00:04.159 --> 02:00:09.920 Yeah, man, you guys can find us on Facebook, on Instagram, TikTok. 2102 02:00:09.960 --> 02:00:13.880 You can go to solo dot t slash the CTDW. 2103 02:00:13.960 --> 02:00:17.279 I'll say again, solo dot t slash the c TDW. 2104 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:21.039 You can find everything there. We're on Spotify, we're on YouTube, 2105 02:00:21.119 --> 02:00:23.960 we're on anywhere you get your podcasts. We're trying to 2106 02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:27.399 be on. So yeah, go hit us up man. Yeah, 2107 02:00:27.479 --> 02:00:29.199 that's I think that's it. That pretty much covers it. 2108 02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:33.840 Thank you as always, break the mold, Conquer the realm, 2109 02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:35.279 and thanks for listening.