WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:03.279 A M. 3 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:06.000 Six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand on 4 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:07.160 the iHeartRadio app. 5 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:08.119 It's time for swampoint. 6 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:10.599 I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar, 7 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:13.759 and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipop. 8 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:17.000 Here we got the real problem is that our leaders 9 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:17.559 are done. 10 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:18.839 The other side never quits. 11 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:22.719 So what I'm not going anywhere? 12 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:25.519 So that now you train the squat. 13 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:27.559 I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by 14 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:28.079 what has been. 15 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:31.760 You know, mervans have always been gone at present, they're 16 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:32.399 not stupid. 17 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:35.320 A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth. 18 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.039 Why have the people voted for you? With na swamp watch, 19 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:40.479 they're all countera. Well, let's start with something. 20 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:42.759 Over the weekend, just because it was was making its 21 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:45.960 way around social media, you may have seen that President 22 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:49.479 Trump on truth social took a line it looks like 23 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:54.560 from It's supposed to be a quote by Napoleon, but 24 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:58.439 the closest resemblance to it is a Rod Steiger line 25 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:01.960 that he uttered while he was playing Napoleon in the 26 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:07.680 old movie Waterlo Waterloo, Trump wrote, he who saves this 27 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.560 country does not violate any law. The official White House 28 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:14.920 account on Twitter also shared the message, and the quote 29 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:18.640 from a president with his own ambitions appeared to come 30 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:23.000 from that movie called Waterloo with the Rod Steiger as Napoleon. 31 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:30.640 I did not you shirt the crown. I found it. 32 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:40.599 In the Gutta and I I picked it up with 33 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:46.280 my sword, with my sword, and it. 34 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:54.760 Was the people, Alexis. The people will put it on 35 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:55.319 my head. 36 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:59.760 He who saves a nation. 37 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:02.680 Violates no law. 38 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:04.640 Now everybody's trying to say that Trump is trying to 39 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.400 be Napoleon. Trump's firings of the members of independent agencies 40 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:10.840 and boards has prompted a string of legal fights. We 41 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:16.080 could see the first real challenge of these ongoing firings 42 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:20.400 taken to the Supreme Court to reconsider, potentially overturn a 43 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:25.960 ninety year old decision that shields certain officials, certain executive 44 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.360 branch officials from being removed after a political shift in 45 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.400 the White House. So we know that Trump fired the 46 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:35.680 heads of the National Labor Relations Board, the Merit Systems 47 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.680 Protection Board, as well as the Director of Office of 48 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.680 Government Ethics and the Special Council who oversees the office 49 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.599 that investigates the whistleblower complaints. Some of those officials have 50 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:51.159 said that Trump violates federal laws passed by Congress that 51 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.759 created those agencies that limited the president to removing their 52 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:59.759 members only for cause in cases of neglect or do 53 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.919 neglect of duty, or of malfeasance. Now, specifically, Hampton Dellinger 54 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:08.680 is the head of the Office of Special Counsel. This 55 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:12.080 is not special counsels appointed by the Justice Department. It's 56 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.120 not Jack Smith, it's not those guys. It's called the 57 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:18.919 head of the Office of Special Counsel. This agency is 58 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:24.360 charged with safeguarding government employee whistleblowers and enforcing certain laws, 59 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:30.840 specifically ethics laws. And he had actually been fired in 60 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.599 a one sentence email back on February seventh, but there 61 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:36.960 was no reason for firing him, at least not in 62 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:41.800 that email. And his argument was he has to be 63 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:47.120 told of inefficiency, neglect, or of malfeasance in office, and 64 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:48.159 that that never happened. 65 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:49.000 So he sued. 66 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:52.639 Judge Amy Burma Jackson of the DC District Court allowed 67 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.120 him to keep his job for a couple of weeks 68 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.879 while she enters a preliminary or she considers whether to 69 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:02.159 enter into a preliminary injunction. The temporary injunction is usually 70 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:08.039 not appealable. This preliminary injunction would be and to short 71 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:10.960 circuit that, the Trump team went to the Supreme Court 72 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:17.519 yesterday trying to ask for the power to fire those officials. 73 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:19.720 Not clear exactly what's going on. 74 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:22.120 I know that there's a lot of a lot of 75 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.160 people ring in their hands that say that the sixth 76 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.439 conservative majority in the Supreme Court means they'll go for Trump. 77 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.120 But we've seen plenty of rulings in the last few 78 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.519 years since it became that six to three ideological makeup, 79 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:41.199 where the rulings have gone completely against the way that 80 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.720 you think they would break down. A lot of five 81 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:49.399 to four decisions with sort of mixed groupings ideologically in 82 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.000 those that had the opinion and those that had the 83 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.480 dissent in the court. We will continue to see news 84 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.160 coming through sort of filtered through Washington d C. About 85 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.319 the ongoing talk now that they have started between Russia 86 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:06.720 and the United States concerning Ukraine. Now right now it's 87 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:11.199 just US and Russia. That doesn't make Vladimir Zelenski happy, 88 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.639 But at least the Trump administration by way of Marco Rubio, 89 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:20.399 the new Secretary of State. They are trying to figure 90 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.600 out what Russia wants, what it will take for them 91 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.920 to come to the table and talk about ceasefire. The 92 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:30.759 hope is that they'll turn around and ask Ukraine the 93 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.439 same things. Although we kind of know what Ukraine wants. 94 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:37.879 Ukraine wants to join NATO, they want to know that 95 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.800 the other countries in Europe will continue to defend it 96 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:45.600 against Russian aggression. To be honest, I just on our side, 97 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.240 on the United States side, nobody appears to be up 98 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:52.360 for that. Pete Hegseth said that's unlikely. President Trump has 99 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:56.519 said that that's unlikely. Jd Vance said that's unlikely. Although 100 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:59.879 all of them have said there's nothing that's off the table, 101 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:04.720 but they've already given up that negotiating point. There are 102 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.680 land disputes that need to be worked out. Russia has 103 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:13.079 annexed regions in eastern Ukraine. Finger quotes annexed that may 104 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:17.680 be property that Ukraine has to give up. Ukraine may 105 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.920 have to withdraw from the Kersk region, and then Russia 106 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:26.720 potentially sees some of Crimea given back to Ukraine, possibly 107 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:31.079 the European Union would be expected to fund a lot 108 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.839 of the reconstruction and as far as a peacekeeping force, 109 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.480 if there is such a thing that's required in the ceasefire, 110 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.120 it's going to be made up mostly of Europeanian of Europeans. 111 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.079 Ker Starmer, the British Prime Minister, had suggested that British 112 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:47.879 troops could be on the ground and would be glad 113 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:51.480 to help, although they don't really have a great position 114 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:55.120 right now. Their military has been hurting in terms of 115 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.279 sheer numbers, and then the other sidelight issue to all 116 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.160 of this is what's in it for the United States. 117 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:05.800 There is a potential for the Ukrainian government to provide 118 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.600 America with some of the critical minerals that they are 119 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.240 sitting on in exchange for continued aid. Maybe that's just 120 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:14.800 a sales pipeline where we take some of those minerals, 121 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:18.639 we write a few checks, and we continue to at 122 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:22.439 least fund what is going forward in terms of their 123 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:26.160 ability to self defend. But there's a lot of that 124 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.879 stuff that's still going on. A lot of those talks 125 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.399 are still going on. Like I said, in Russia, Saudi Arabia, 126 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.639 I'm sorry in Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the United States 127 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:39.040 are supposed to meet for the first time Tomorrow. Secretary 128 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.240 of State Marco Rubio meets with his counterpart on the 129 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:46.160 Russian side, sergay Lavrov, for what will be the first. 130 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.240 Round of discussions. In all of this, a. 131 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.360 Couple of stories that we are following internationally. Egypt is 132 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:56.120 looking at a plan to rebuild Gaza without forcing Palestinians 133 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.519 out of Gaza. That would counter President Trump's proposal which 134 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.600 was moved everybody out and start over. The state run 135 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.839 newspaper in Egypt said. The proposal calls for establishing secure 136 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.879 areas within Gaza where Palestinians could live initially, while Egyptian 137 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:18.120 and international construction firms remove and rehabilitate the infrastructure there. Well, 138 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.519 it's been about three years of living under constant threat 139 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.839 of Russian airstrikes, and Ukrainians could see the end of 140 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:27.199 the war soon, but they're afraid that it's going to 141 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:28.639 come with unfavorable terms. 142 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:29.120 I mentioned. 143 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.320 American and Russian officials are meeting tomorrow in Saudi Arabia 144 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.159 discussing ways to end the war, but Kiev won't be 145 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:39.039 participating at least yet, and some Ukrainians are worried that 146 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.759 they're going to be sidelined in this whole process. I 147 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.559 mentioned this week starts spring training. The first spring training 148 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:46.960 game of twenty twenty five is going to be Thursday 149 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:49.559 between the Cubs and the Dodgers. Down the road a 150 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.639 little bit, one of baseball's best players is going to 151 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:58.399 switch things up. Angels outfielder. I use that word intentionally. 152 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.279 Mike Trout said he's going to switch positions. He said 153 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.440 he just kind of threw everything on the table when 154 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.000 he was talking with team officials as in what's best 155 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:10.200 for him body wise to stay on the field. He said, 156 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.159 the conclusion is, I'm going to go to right field. 157 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.360 He's been a career center fielder since his major league 158 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:19.320 debut at the Angels thirteen fourteen years ago. He's played 159 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.840 right field in that entire time, fourteen years. He's played 160 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.879 right field just eleven time, sorry, seventeen times. So looks 161 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:27.919 like that's where he's going to be. 162 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:29.600 Okay. 163 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:35.000 President Trump pardoned a bunch of the January sixth rioters. 164 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:42.799 Some defendants are now looking to have other charges erased. 165 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:48.440 For example, a guy named Edward Kelly pardoned despite the 166 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:50.759 fact that he assaulted police at the US Capitol. But 167 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.320 he's now fighting in another case because in November a 168 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.879 jury convicted him of conspiring to murder the FBI agents 169 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:03.440 who investigated him dissipating in January sixth, including evidence that 170 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.679 he had a kill list of targets. He's now saying 171 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.200 that that conviction should be tossed out as well, because 172 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:16.000 he believes that the Trump pardon covers offenses related to 173 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.720 events that occurred at or near the Capitol on January sixth. 174 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:25.399 He says it extends beyond that. Other defendants have been 175 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.759 arguing similarly that they should be absolved of other alleged 176 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:33.639 crimes like illegal gun possession or you know, child pornography. 177 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:40.120 Their argument is those things were discovered during the January 178 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:47.600 sixth investigation. Dozens of defendants have joined forces on social 179 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:49.960 media to try to compile and publicize the names of 180 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:51.919 at least one hundred and twenty four people who had 181 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:55.240 a hand in their convictions, most of them prosecutors. There 182 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:59.080 are a few judges' names in there, and FBI agents, 183 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.519 and the post of names, with about sixty thousand views, 184 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:10.000 includes pictures and disparaging remarks and demands for accountability. Back 185 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:13.120 on the twenty seventh of January, prosecutors down in Houston 186 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:17.799 announced they were looking for Andrew Tacki, a January sixth 187 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:21.039 defendant who was being looked for on a charge of 188 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:26.000 online solicitation of a minor. Now that happened a long 189 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.799 time ago. It was eight years ago that that charge 190 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:35.240 came out. He had been serving a seventy four month 191 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:38.399 sentence after pleading guilty to violence at the Capitol. Prosecutors 192 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:41.639 said he sprayed police officers with bear spray four separate 193 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.039 times and hit one law enforcement officer with a medal whip. 194 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.639 The Harris County DA's office that had asked federal prison 195 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.000 officials to hold him, but instead he was let out 196 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.320 of a Colorado jail back on January twentieth. 197 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:55.559 After the pardon. 198 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:00.840 The DA's office said rearresting people like this Andrew Tacki 199 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:05.480 who were released pending state warrants will require significant resources. 200 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:10.480 He was eventually tracked down, but just about well it 201 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:12.200 was the sixth of February at home. 202 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:17.720 An' white took them to be found at home. Federal agents. 203 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:20.639 Others are concerned that there will be some sort of 204 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:25.480 retaliation for investigating the Capital Riot Department of Justice leaders 205 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:27.799 have demanded a list of all the agents involved. The 206 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:29.879 agent sued, saying that it would put them that their 207 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.039 families at risk from the now pardoned and at large 208 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.000 convicted felons. So the federal government temporarily agreed not to 209 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.159 make the list public, and the judge is trying to 210 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.919 figure out should this be a long term ban. A 211 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.480 district judge said, if this information is released, I think 212 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.240 there's no question that it would put a number of 213 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:53.639 FBI agents in significant and immediate danger. And like I said, 214 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.159 some of these January sixth people who have been pardoned 215 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:00.600 are taken it upon themselves to publicize those names. Timothy 216 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:04.360 Lewis Hale Cosanelli is a guy from New Jersey served 217 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.120 three years in prison for his role in the January sixth. 218 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:10.480 He created the post on Twitter that asked fellow defendants 219 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:13.039 to name their prosecutors. He said, I'd like to see 220 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.399 the judges exposed. One person responded, not sure what you 221 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.240 can do about them, but they probably don't like their 222 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.679 names out there after releasing a bunch of angry bees. 223 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.559 Another one said take a names and kick an ass. 224 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:31.799 Another one every time a name would be posted this 225 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:38.360 Timothy Lewis Hale Quassanelli would write got him. He was 226 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:43.720 an army reservist at the time that he stormed the Capitol. He, 227 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:47.120 they said, was among the first to enter the building 228 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.080 and was ordering others to advance into the building. They 229 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:55.399 said he made harassing and derogatory statements to police. He 230 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:59.279 spoke of a coming revolution. Another woman who helped smash 231 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.960 a window with a battering rams shouted through a bullhorn, 232 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:05.720 added her prosecutor's name to list. She accused the prosecutor 233 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:08.840 of telling lies and called for consequences such as prison 234 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.960 time or termination of the allegations as if they are substantiated. 235 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:20.759 Things like murder plots and illegal gun possession and child pornography. 236 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:25.480 Those better not be those better not be pardoned as 237 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.639 a result of what the President did. When we rebuild, 238 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.240 and we will rebuild in the Palisades and the Altadena areas, 239 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:38.320 there is a new plan that might take flight, and 240 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:44.679 that is builders permitting their own projects be unheard of 241 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:46.960 in a place like California, where they've got to have 242 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.279 their fingers and everything. The La Times is out with 243 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.360 the story today about how irreverend bumper stickers have taken 244 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:55.000 over La we wanted to know what your what your 245 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:55.679 favorites were. 246 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:57.480 We'll talk. We'll play a bunch of them a little 247 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:57.799 bit later. 248 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.200 Spencer from Fountain Valley. There used to be a car 249 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.399 in my neighborhood when I was younger. The bumper sticker said, 250 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:07.559 do not tailgate or I'll flick a bigger on your windshield. 251 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:09.639 Always a classic. 252 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.399 As we race to rebuild after the fires over in 253 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:19.200 Pacific Palisades and also in Altadena, there is going to 254 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.759 be a bureaucratic mess that takes place. Even if it 255 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.559 runs as smooth as it ever has, the sheer number 256 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:30.759 of permits that have to be pulled for the thousands 257 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.840 of structures that need to be rebuilt would be a problem. 258 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:36.600 So we're trying to figure out the most creative way 259 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:40.000 to grease the skids on that, not in a negative way, 260 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.159 but just to make sure that all of it gets built. 261 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.840 Our friend Dean Sharp, host of Home with Dean Shark 262 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.440 on the Weekends here on KFI, has done this, has 263 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:54.679 dealt with permits, has had to deal with the bureaucracy 264 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:58.759 that comes with the building or improving properties that you're on, Dean, 265 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:02.080 is it a sweater day today? 266 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.759 It is not a sweater day. I'm inside, I'm in 267 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.440 my studio designing, so things are nice and cozy. 268 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:11.080 That's why, Okay, just. 269 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.799 The basics of when I'm rebuilding a house, even if 270 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.399 it was just a single house, single house fire, what 271 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:23.960 is the permit process for that? 272 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.159 That's there's a lot to it. There really is a 273 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:30.639 lot to it. There is. Well, let me just I 274 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:32.360 don't want to bury the lead. I just want to 275 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.039 start by saying that some of the proposals that are 276 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.279 being forwarded right now by the city council members that 277 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:47.960 they're considering about this idea of self reporting permitting, you know, 278 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.919 I'm in favor of it. I think that I've got 279 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.919 there's absolutely no problem with cutting through red tape, especially 280 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:58.000 at a time like this. It's an idea that's already 281 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.480 proven to work. It's working in a lot of places already, 282 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:05.240 places like San Diego, San Diego County. City of Bellflower 283 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:09.240 has been doing this for like ten years now. I 284 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:13.880 think it's gonna help. But just understand, streamlining the permit 285 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.599 process is way. It is a much bigger snake to 286 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.680 wrangle than most people think, and so this is not 287 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:22.960 going to be just a panacea, because there's so much 288 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.839 more that goes into permitting, to your question than simple 289 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.279 simply checking the plans against the building code, which by 290 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.279 the way, is the easiest part of the entire thing. 291 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.799 And you would think most home owners think, well, that's 292 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:39.400 the whole thing, right, No, no, it's not. Actually in 293 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.759 my experience, and I do a lot of custom homes, 294 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:46.160 obviously almost all exclusively custom homes, we get held up 295 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.480 with the city when it comes to the planning department 296 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.799 and zoning requirements and endless zoning ordinances. And let me 297 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:58.000 tell you, the Palisades is an area where there are 298 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.960 zoning requirements and ordinances overlapping on top of each other 299 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:08.720 in multiple ways. So the idea of hey, let's streamline 300 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:12.799 the permitting process in plan check for just looking at 301 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.200 your plans and asking the question do they comply with 302 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:20.960 building codes? That's kind of plan check one oh one. 303 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:23.400 That does not take very long to do with a 304 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:28.319 residential home. And so when you even if just a 305 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:30.799 single house, you just lost your house in a house fire, 306 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:34.440 everything else, all things being equal, you're going to have 307 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:40.160 to jump back through the zoning hoops, all the regulations 308 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.319 that have been laid on top of that, and also 309 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:47.079 prove that the house that you're planning to build comports 310 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.759 with the building code. But like in the Palisades, you know, 311 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:54.480 it's like, there's the Palisades Commercial Village Zoning Area, there's 312 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:59.119 the Neighborhood Specific Plan, there's the Brentwood Palisades Community Plan. 313 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.440 Parts of the Palisades are governed by the Brentwood Pacific 314 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.599 Palisades Dual Coastal Plan Zone. Other parts are governed by 315 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.359 the Mulholland Specific Parkway Specific Plan. There's the Hillside Ordans, 316 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:17.960 the relatively new anti mansioning Ordinance. And yes, some Pacific 317 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.519 Palisades homes are subject to the dreaded California Coastal Commission. 318 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.680 And everything I just mentioned has nothing to do with 319 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:31.160 whether the plans for the house that you're submitting are 320 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:34.799 in accordance with the building code. That's just zoning stuff. 321 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:39.039 And I don't know how to cut through that stuff, honestly. Well, 322 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.240 I mean it takes I don't want to say, a 323 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.680 bigger man than you. It takes a team effort of 324 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:49.200 people in the right political position, I think to make 325 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.640 that a priority. Because even Gavin Newsom, for example, Gavin 326 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.319 Newsom has issued an executive order just last week that 327 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:02.680 would loosen a building permit rule if you recently built 328 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:05.200 your house and you still have the plans on file, 329 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:07.400 I mean within the last I don't know what the 330 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:09.759 limit was, but let's just say you built a house 331 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.839 in the last four years and you live in the 332 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:14.960 palais Age and you lost it in that fire. His 333 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:17.400 executive order would make it simple where you just go, 334 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.519 I've already been approved for all of this stuff. You know, 335 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:23.160 cuts basically to the front of the line because we've 336 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:27.000 had everything approved. It's going to take that kind of creativity, 337 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.440 I think, to get some of that stuff out of 338 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:32.359 the way. But let me ask you quickly, I don't 339 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:36.759 know if if you would even envision how this would work. 340 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.759 But one of the things that Rick Caruso had said 341 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:47.119 was he wants to see AI used for permitting, where 342 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:51.119 instead of days or weeks to get human eyeballs on 343 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.200 some of these building plans, you shove them into AI. 344 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:57.960 They basically tell you whether or not their code compliant 345 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:00.599 and what changes need to be made, so that within 346 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:04.759 hours you know and can make your you know your 347 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.720 addendums or make your changes and then get that building 348 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.359 permit process, you know, down five percent of what it 349 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:13.119 would have been otherwise. Have you heard much of that 350 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.279 you if you, is that a real thing that exists 351 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.839 or is he kind of pie in the sky so far? Well, 352 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:20.640 I mean, you know, I don't know if it's a 353 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.880 real thing that exists. That's not something we've experienced thus far. 354 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:26.880 But then again, you know, two years ago, the amount 355 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.000 of things that AI is involved in has just gone 356 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.200 through the roof, so it's not outside of the realm 357 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.079 of possibility. And again, I mean know, I don't really 358 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:38.480 have a problem with it. Why not run it through 359 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.400 an algorithm first and then let it red flag things 360 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:43.480 and then let a human being look at those red 361 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.920 flags and resolve those things instead of having somebody to 362 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:49.119 go through and pick through all the numbers and so on. 363 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.880 There's a lot of infrastructure that would have to be 364 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.079 built into that because like when, for instance, in your plans, 365 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:58.200 it's not just looking at a plan set. The structural 366 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:02.720 engineer has to submit along with their plans, they have 367 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:05.559 to submit their load calculation. So now we're going to 368 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:08.160 tell a structural engineer that those calculations have to be 369 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.559 put in a particular software format that AI knows how 370 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:14.000 to read, to double check and so on. That's all 371 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.839 human checked right now. So theoretically sure, and again I 372 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.799 don't have any problem with it, But still that conversation 373 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:27.079 gear is still just about building code compliance and has 374 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:29.319 nothing to do with all of the other things that 375 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:32.000 we have to wrestle with when we're trying to build 376 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.799 a place, a specific kind of house on a specific 377 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.920 kind of lot anywhere in southern California. 378 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.519 I don't know if this is right allegory During COVID, 379 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:46.039 restaurants were allowed to open up sidewalk a dining and 380 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:49.200 in many places it's still allowed because it turned out 381 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.319 to be fun and popular and it's a good way 382 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.880 for a restaurant to kind of soft expand without buying 383 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:00.160 new property. Is this a scenario you think where where 384 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:05.599 we change permitting because of a disaster. 385 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:07.240 I mean that we've seen creep. 386 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.079 Let's use the ninety four northrich earthquake as the last 387 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:13.359 time that we saw something like this, that we saw 388 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:16.400 the creep of bureaucracy where everybody gets to pile on 389 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:19.519 and like you said, you had all those different zoning 390 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:23.079 groups and boards and everybody's got a piece of the pie. 391 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.200 Is this one of those scenarios where we it kind 392 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:29.519 of snaps us back into reality and we say we've 393 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:35.440 done too much and we are strangling what should be 394 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:37.839 a pretty healthy construction process here. 395 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.799 Yeah, I think so. I think I think it is, 396 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.640 and so I'm hopeful about that. I wish it is 397 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:48.759 something that we could have accomplished earlier. And honestly, I'll 398 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.000 be just one hundred percent honest if this had only 399 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:55.119 been an issue with the Alta Dina fire, the Eaten fire, 400 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.359 I don't think we would see this happening the same way. 401 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:00.799