Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done.
Speaker 2: I wasn't deal with them.
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 3: that turned me.
Speaker 2: Away the quickest.
Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 1: looked at us. And one of the things I remember
Speaker 1: the most where the eyes were going red. I see
Speaker 1: an orb of light. It is just circling these steps.
Speaker 3: Like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 2: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 3: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it
Speaker 3: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 1: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.
Speaker 2: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,
Speaker 2: it don't like death.
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Speaker 3: of time out in Sedona, Arizona, at a place called
Speaker 3: the Bradshaw Ranch. He has found a lot of UFO
Speaker 3: activity along with cryptid sightings and even dinosaur foot tracks.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a lot of weird stuff going on
Speaker 3: out there, And to be honest, I've been to Soedona.
Speaker 3: It is a place of weird mysticism, so I don't
Speaker 3: doubt that there is quite a bit of strange activity
Speaker 3: going on out in that area. That's enough for me. Again,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to think this time and welcome my guest tonight, Jurgen.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on here and talking to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely appreciate you having me on and giving me
Speaker 2: a chance to kind of share with people what's been
Speaker 2: going on out here near Sodona and and hopefully encourage
Speaker 2: people to maybe come witness a phenomena for themselves.
Speaker 1: Yep, no problem. Yeah, would you like to let the
Speaker 1: audience know a little bit about yourself before we dive.
Speaker 2: Into absolutely So you know this, I tried really hard
Speaker 2: to just be normal for the longest time, and when
Speaker 2: I was like twenty four years old, these really bizarre
Speaker 2: things started happening to me. You know. Weird things were
Speaker 2: happened in my room at night and things like that.
Speaker 2: But the weirdest thing was I was driving someone home
Speaker 2: on the freeway and all of a sudden, all the
Speaker 2: cars in front of us came to a stop and
Speaker 2: I couldn't break in time, and we were going to
Speaker 2: just smash into all these cars, like sixty miles an hour,
Speaker 2: and there was a flash of light, and then suddenly
Speaker 2: we were on the other side of all the cars
Speaker 2: and we didn't touch anything. We're just driving normally and
Speaker 2: all this knew that something really weird ha happen, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't even begin to wrap my head around it
Speaker 2: and didn't really try to. Then, as you know, I
Speaker 2: looked at all the strange things. I needed advice from someone,
Speaker 2: and I found a guy named John Lear. John was
Speaker 2: a person I had heard on the radio a bunch
Speaker 2: of times. I would listen to him on Coast to
Speaker 2: Coast and he always talked about the most interesting things
Speaker 2: to me. I mean, he was like the King of conspiracies.
Speaker 2: You know. He was the first person even say there's
Speaker 2: a secret base in the Nevada Desert called Area fifty one.
Speaker 2: And everyone told me it was crazy, you know everyone.
Speaker 2: Ten years later everyone realized he was right. And when
Speaker 2: I met John, I really kind of just dropped in
Speaker 2: on him at his house. He said he always said
Speaker 2: he lived in Las Vegas. I'd messaged him a couple
Speaker 2: times on a forum and he said he loved cigars,
Speaker 2: and so I was in Las Vegas and I thought, well,
Speaker 2: I just put some cigars in his mailbox and went
Speaker 2: to this house. There's a big gate and there's no mailbox,
Speaker 2: so I didn't need these expensive cigars. So I called
Speaker 2: the number on the Yellow Pages and John answered the phone,
Speaker 2: and I said, Hey, John, you don't know me, but
Speaker 2: we spoke on a forum at one point, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to give you some cigars and he said what forum?
Speaker 2: And I said, GOLP. There was used to be a
Speaker 2: forum might still be around called Godlike Productions, And he said, GLP,
Speaker 2: you better come on in, and he opened the gates.
Speaker 2: I went in and that started like a fifteen year
Speaker 2: friendship with me and John. He passed away a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago now, and John became like my mentor.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was the one that kind of eased me,
Speaker 2: eased the stresses and anxiety I had about these strange
Speaker 2: phenomena happening around me. When I told him what happened
Speaker 2: with the car not crashing, he instantly was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was the Grays said what he said, Yeah, they
Speaker 2: just prevent things from happening. When they're not supposed to
Speaker 2: or something is supposed to happen, they'll come and interfere.
Speaker 2: And I was like, you need to talk to me
Speaker 2: more about this. Then finally, you know, John told me
Speaker 2: all about Bobazar and you know, John and Bob kind
Speaker 2: of exposed Area fifty one together, and he had all
Speaker 2: these pictures and you know, information from a high level
Speaker 2: people that he knew and had received. And so John
Speaker 2: and convinced me the UFOs were real, but I wanted
Speaker 2: to see one for myself. You know. It's it's such
Speaker 2: a different experience to think they're real and to see
Speaker 2: one and know they're real actually. And so I used
Speaker 2: the incident from the Randelston Forest and there's binary code
Speaker 2: translation from that incident that revealed locations on the planet.
Speaker 2: And I thought, well, if I want to see one
Speaker 2: of these things, I'll use one of the locations on
Speaker 2: the list they provided, apparently, and Sedona, Arizona, was the
Speaker 2: closest one to me. I lived in California, and first
Speaker 2: time I came to Sedona on a camp trip, I
Speaker 2: went on the UFO tour with night Vision, and I
Speaker 2: mean we saw one hundred and some UFOs. It was
Speaker 2: like this mind blowing thing. I couldn't believe all these
Speaker 2: years of me questioning the realer, you can just come
Speaker 2: see them, and that got me hooked. Would come back
Speaker 2: every year on a camp trip for like ten days.
Speaker 2: That started as a week, then ten days. It got
Speaker 2: difficult for me to get people to come with me.
Speaker 2: I had friends that liked to camp, and after a
Speaker 2: couple of trips, it's just it's not for everyone. It's
Speaker 2: weird to say to somebody, hey, you want to come
Speaker 2: watch UFOs fly around with me and then crawl in
Speaker 2: your tent and go to sleep, and they it's just
Speaker 2: a little much. And so the first year I went
Speaker 2: by myself, I went on a hike and it was
Speaker 2: the first time I camped alone and a big foot
Speaker 2: followed me. And let me tell you, I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 2: Midst It was as shocking to me as it would
Speaker 2: be to anybody. I found a clear foot and handprint
Speaker 2: from it. And in the place I was, I had
Speaker 2: found petroglyph carvings of bigfoot and of its footprints. The
Speaker 2: other bizarre thing is there's a carving down there of
Speaker 2: a saber toothed cat. So these things carvings could be
Speaker 2: as old as ten thousand years and I needed to
Speaker 2: find out what was going on. So I started looking
Speaker 2: into bigfoot reports in Sedona, and that led me to
Speaker 2: a guy named Tom Dongo. He was a researcher out
Speaker 2: here for a long time and he researched a place
Speaker 2: called Bradshaw Ranch and I messaged Tom on Facebook. We
Speaker 2: became friends. We're still friends. Tom's been a great help
Speaker 2: and I started talking to Tom about what was happening.
Speaker 2: And he told me the ranch is still there. He
Speaker 2: hadn't been there in a long time. It's abandoned for
Speaker 2: twenty plus years. He said, the activity there it was
Speaker 2: pretty dead. There was nothing really going on there anymore.
Speaker 2: But when Linda lived there, Linda Bradshaw, she had these
Speaker 2: constant encounters with a white bigfoot. She called it big Girl.
Speaker 2: They have a book they wrote together called Merging Dimensions,
Speaker 2: which I highly encourage people to read. And even though
Speaker 2: he said the activity there was dead, just wanted to
Speaker 2: see the place. There's a YouTube video of Tom Dongo
Speaker 2: presenting his evidence from the ranch to move On in
Speaker 2: like the nineties, and that video had the best collection
Speaker 2: of evidence I've ever seen. And it all came from
Speaker 2: one location. I mean, there were go steparitions or bigfoots,
Speaker 2: weird ets, things they call skyfish for rods, these little
Speaker 2: apparitions that flat through the sky at night, and they
Speaker 2: were getting all these in one blaze. So I just
Speaker 2: wanted to see it, and I couldn't find it the
Speaker 2: first time it went. And then Tom gave me some
Speaker 2: better directions and I found the ranch, and the first
Speaker 2: time I was there, I was blown away at what
Speaker 2: I was seeing, and I'm telling you, the weirdest thing
Speaker 2: that I've seen is still weird to say. The first
Speaker 2: time I went to the ranch, I found these very
Speaker 2: large round footprints, maybe thirteen to fifteen inches across, like
Speaker 2: an elephant had been walking through there. At the time,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that Linda had seen dinosaurs on the
Speaker 2: property walking around. She had seen long necked dinosaur bronosaurs
Speaker 2: type about ten to twelve feet tall, and they had
Speaker 2: seen a t rex type, a two legged type. Well,
Speaker 2: it turned out there was still activity there, and I
Speaker 2: try really hard to not think it has anything to
Speaker 2: do with me other than I'm going to the place
Speaker 2: where this phenomena occurs. I started to hear that this
Speaker 2: phenomena occurs on that ranch when it catalyst person shows up,
Speaker 2: and that's what Linda was, and that's why things only
Speaker 2: started happening there when Linda moved to the property. Oddly enough,
Speaker 2: the bigfoots are still out there, and they put you
Speaker 2: through this process, and they put Linda through a process.
Speaker 2: She talks about it in her book. Now. She didn't
Speaker 2: realize it was a process until she looked at it
Speaker 2: in hindsight, and when I read her book, I realized, oh,
Speaker 2: this is the exact same thing that's happening to me
Speaker 2: with these things right now. And so it starts with
Speaker 2: you acknowledging them that they're there, and not trying to
Speaker 2: catch or capture them. You're intent with this stuff really
Speaker 2: matters a lot. And so she started trying to feed them.
Speaker 2: You know, she would knock on wood, they would make knocks, backs,
Speaker 2: she'd know the round. She would put food on a
Speaker 2: red plate. They would eat the food and leave little
Speaker 2: gifts and return rocks or sticks, drop patterns in the dirt.
Speaker 2: And then one day it laid down in the sand
Speaker 2: and left its body impression for Linda to see it.
Speaker 2: There's a great photo of that, and she realized it
Speaker 2: did that because it was soon going to reveal itself
Speaker 2: to her in the daytime, and the creature didn't want
Speaker 2: Linda to be surprised with how large it was, is
Speaker 2: what she figured. And so when I started looking at
Speaker 2: the experiences I was having on the ranches, it's the
Speaker 2: same thing. I started hearing wood knocks out there. So
Speaker 2: I thought about what Linda did, and I tried to
Speaker 2: leave food out and they weren't taking it. At first,
Speaker 2: I was leaving like these expensive like all you know,
Speaker 2: organic like fresh mushrooms and tomatoes and things, you know.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe you would forage four or fine, nothing
Speaker 2: would take the food. They would be there for weeks.
Speaker 2: I designated a location to feed and communicate with them,
Speaker 2: and then I decided to use a red plate like
Speaker 2: Linda used, and that's when it started. Man, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: I went to check the red plate and there was
Speaker 2: a green rock on it and it looked like a
Speaker 2: grape to me, So I thought, I wondered them want grapes.
Speaker 2: So I just went got grapes, put three pounds of
Speaker 2: grapes on the plate, and the next day they're gone,
Speaker 2: all of them. I was like, Okay, that's weird. Then
Speaker 2: I started trying to further the encounters I'm having with
Speaker 2: these large, hairy creatures, and I want him to try
Speaker 2: to write with them. Because as I was talking to
Speaker 2: Tom Dongo, the reason he's such a great resource is
Speaker 2: because a lot of people have a weird experience and
Speaker 2: they reach out to Tom and let him know about it.
Speaker 2: So he told me about a guy in Indiana who
Speaker 2: purchased a large piece of property because there were bigfoots
Speaker 2: on the property, reportedly, and he was doing his little experiments,
Speaker 2: and he said he left out books and when he
Speaker 2: went to go get him, he said the books had
Speaker 2: been critiqued. I don't know any more details. I do
Speaker 2: not know unfortunately what that meant. But they were intelligent
Speaker 2: enough to critique something.
Speaker 1: So what part of Indiana that's where I'm from.
Speaker 2: I will have to ask Tom. He was very kind
Speaker 2: of vague with some of the details because this guy
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily but apparently it was like a thousand acres
Speaker 2: of property and some like multimillionaire guy investor bought it
Speaker 2: because they were going to develop it into houses and
Speaker 2: he didn't want that.
Speaker 1: And he said, Indiana really piques my interest because I'm Indiana.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll you know, I'll see if I can't
Speaker 2: find out more from Tom and let you know some
Speaker 2: more about that, that would be cool. So I started
Speaker 2: feeding him, and then a chalkboard out and drew some symbols.
Speaker 2: Then it left its body impression in the ground for
Speaker 2: me twice. And by the way, I have pictures of
Speaker 2: videos of all this stuff I'm talking about. I realized
Speaker 2: one of the things is in this field there's so
Speaker 2: many people that relay stories, which is wonderful. But I'm
Speaker 2: actually doing field work to get my PhD in metaphysical
Speaker 2: science studying anoonymalous things. So this is my field work.
Speaker 2: So it has to be something I can back up
Speaker 2: when I say this. So the things I'm saying, I
Speaker 2: have footage and pictures and all this stuff. And so
Speaker 2: it's the one that left its body impression for me.
Speaker 2: Was twelve feet tall, and it was the summer solstice
Speaker 2: a year and a half ago in it let me
Speaker 2: see it in the daytime, just after it did its
Speaker 2: body impression. I got to see it and it was
Speaker 2: a good one hundred yards away from me, twelve feet tall.
Speaker 2: Because I went and took a photo for reference afterwards.
Speaker 2: This one was br and when I saw it, I
Speaker 2: was so confused. It was like two PM and I'm
Speaker 2: standing there looking at the tree line and everything's green,
Speaker 2: and then suddenly there's this big clump of brown and
Speaker 2: that you know, I wasn't there any other time I've
Speaker 2: been that summer, and I'm staring at it, like what
Speaker 2: is that? I thought, like, is there a dead tree
Speaker 2: over there in the shape of a person or something like?
Speaker 2: I couldn't figure out what was going on and if
Speaker 2: it was maybe ten seconds, which felt like two hours.
Speaker 2: But then it turned to the side and walked away
Speaker 2: to the left and disappeared behind a tree, and you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of lost it. After that. I ran to
Speaker 2: my chalkboard. It had left the symbol. It was the
Speaker 2: first time it had left the symbol on the chalkboard.
Speaker 2: It's done that twice. Now both symbols are both symbols
Speaker 2: have a chevron shape, and one of them we've been
Speaker 2: able to the first symbol it left. We're able to
Speaker 2: identify it and match it to the Zamora incident, which
Speaker 2: is a UFO incident in New Mexico in the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2: Officer Zamora saw an egg shaped craft and the desert
Speaker 2: landed on the ground. It had a symbol on it
Speaker 2: in red. If you look at the reports, there's a
Speaker 2: few versions of that symbol. Whoever symbol the big foodrew
Speaker 2: is one of those. And I don't know why the
Speaker 2: ranch or the entities on the ranch are referring to
Speaker 2: old UFO incidents because they did that to Linda. You know,
Speaker 2: she was there and one night she went outside and
Speaker 2: a movie screen basically appeared in the sky. This big
Speaker 2: white rectangle appeared in the sky in front of her.
Speaker 2: She has photos of it. It's amazing. In that screen
Speaker 2: showed an image from somewhere else. It's known as the
Speaker 2: Portal Photographs. However, I don't think that's what it was.
Speaker 2: It was projecting an image from the nineteen fifties that's
Speaker 2: in Washington, Oregon, of this really incredible UFO incident, and
Speaker 2: we matched the images up. I mean it's it's the
Speaker 2: same incident. So that would make twice now that this
Speaker 2: property has made a reference to a previous UFO incident,
Speaker 2: once in the fifties, once in the sixties. That's pretty
Speaker 2: strange to me. And you know, so all this stuff
Speaker 2: was happening, and my problem was I didn't have help,
Speaker 2: you know, I was trying to do this, and when
Speaker 2: I try to talk about it is you just get
Speaker 2: ridiculed and you get put down and you get told
Speaker 2: you're a crazy person. And to me, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: like telling people you don't believe the UFOs are real,
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, you're crazy, and like I will
Speaker 2: take you and show you them, and they're like no,
Speaker 2: I won't go. It's like okay, then you know you're
Speaker 2: not for this. And I had all this footage on
Speaker 2: my phone and John Leer and Tom Dongo were both
Speaker 2: telling me, man, you're getting really really good stuff. You
Speaker 2: need to do something with this, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just a normal guy. Though I'm not. Who's gonna listen.
Speaker 2: And then the first big foot encounter I had where
Speaker 2: it left its perfect footprint, it's right next to a
Speaker 2: carving of a footprint, and Tom Dongo told me, he's like,
Speaker 2: that's like a world class discovery man. He posted it
Speaker 2: on Facebook. He's like, no, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: found a live footprint next to an ancient carving of
Speaker 2: a footprint. And then I almost died. I had this
Speaker 2: really bad infection in my bone, in my jaw on
Speaker 2: and it filled my body with poison. That was like
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, and luckily I found this charity that
Speaker 2: was helped me to pay for the surgery. It was
Speaker 2: like six months of surgeries and it's just so brutal
Speaker 2: and a liquid diet for like five weeks. As I
Speaker 2: was laying there, I thought if I would have died
Speaker 2: right then all this crazy stuff would have been gone.
Speaker 2: It's on my phone you know, the Bigfoot let me
Speaker 2: take its photo out there one night. I have this
Speaker 2: amazing photo of the creature as it just honkered down.
Speaker 2: It squatted down next to the house one night and
Speaker 2: let me get its photos. I think it's just because
Speaker 2: I trust me. I know what I'm doing there, and
Speaker 2: at that time, it decided it would let me do that.
Speaker 2: And so I decided to put together, you know, some
Speaker 2: kind of video of this stuff that was happening out here,
Speaker 2: and the evidence I had already collected, and all the
Speaker 2: years I spent with John Lear, he told me that
Speaker 2: the one thing he regretted was using his real name.
Speaker 2: It caused him to lose his job as a pilot,
Speaker 2: which is what he loved to do more than anything,
Speaker 2: was fly airplanes. And so when I was going to
Speaker 2: come out with this, you know, I decided to just
Speaker 2: use a pseudonym. And all right, the one trouble I
Speaker 2: had was, like I knew, what if I used a
Speaker 2: fake name, people are going to try and analyze it
Speaker 2: like crazy, what does he really mean by that? So
Speaker 2: I just put my real name into the Wu Tang
Speaker 2: clan name generator and it gave me the pseudonym Whodoo. Tall,
Speaker 2: and so I just would just use that. So if
Speaker 2: people want to see, you know, footage of the things,
Speaker 2: you can go on YouTube and if you look up
Speaker 2: whodoo tall h oo d T A L L, you'll
Speaker 2: see my old footage. I'm putting up new episodes still.
Speaker 2: We're about to put up another episode here in a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. That's the last two years of my
Speaker 2: encounters with the creatures, some of the things I've been
Speaker 2: telling you about. And there's another painting I found out
Speaker 2: here that is also we're looking ten thousand years old.
Speaker 2: There's a painting of a mammoth there, so that kind
Speaker 2: of helps you date it. And there's a painting of
Speaker 2: a white bigfoot there. There's a painting of a mantis creature.
Speaker 2: This phenomena is incredibly real, and it's been here longer,
Speaker 2: probably than we had been. I mean, if I can
Speaker 2: find paintings and carvings that all the ice age and
Speaker 2: people are still reporting sightings of these things that we
Speaker 2: are today, it kind of lets me know that sightings, yes,
Speaker 2: completely understanding them, maybe not because we've been trying to
Speaker 2: do over ten thousand years apparently, you know, maybe their
Speaker 2: old concepts are these are some sort of gods or
Speaker 2: something is actually applies more than somebody telling me it's
Speaker 2: a big, hairy ape that we haven't discovered. There's no way,
Speaker 2: it's impossible, not with the not with them existing here
Speaker 2: near Sedona, there's no way there's a giant twelve foot
Speaker 2: ape running around that nobody's ever seen. And I've found
Speaker 2: little foot tracks before, you know, ones that are six
Speaker 2: inches and down where the carvings of Bigfoot are, there's
Speaker 2: also carvings of ets, all kinds of them, sky people,
Speaker 2: ant people, people with antenna on their heads. So this
Speaker 2: dry creek, that area definitely had some bizarre things going
Speaker 2: on there. One place in particular, where the sky people
Speaker 2: are carved. In that area there are mortar and pestles.
Speaker 2: So they inhabited that area for quite a while because
Speaker 2: they carved away at rock that's in the ground and
Speaker 2: it's still there so you can see it. And on
Speaker 2: the walls there's two sky people carved, one on the
Speaker 2: left right now. The one on the right has his
Speaker 2: hands extended out and from his hands is a double helix,
Speaker 2: a segmented double helix, exactly like a DNA strand. And
Speaker 2: now you gotta think what in the heck did these
Speaker 2: people see out here when the I mean, I oud
Speaker 2: of somebody remote view it. I know remote viewing is real,
Speaker 2: but you know it's hard to find somebody who's telling
Speaker 2: you who's on target. So what I did was I
Speaker 2: created a blind target for remote viewing. A blind target
Speaker 2: is six or seven random letters and numbers which I
Speaker 2: mentally associate with the location. When I write those numbers
Speaker 2: and letters down, I'm mentally associating it with the place.
Speaker 2: Then I take that blind target and I went to
Speaker 2: the remote viewing section of Reddit and posted it. I
Speaker 2: said I would like someone to remote view this. People
Speaker 2: started commenting and I wasn't seeing anything that described the location.
Speaker 2: And there was one guy man, he was hitting it
Speaker 2: on the head. He was describing exactly the creek bed,
Speaker 2: the shape of the creek bed. He even pointed out
Speaker 2: that he could smell Reese's pieces, which is what I
Speaker 2: had in my backpack that day. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you're on target. And then we went to private messages
Speaker 2: and I asked him, I said, you're on the target.
Speaker 2: Can you go back? I'm not trying to see it now.
Speaker 2: I want to see what was going on when the
Speaker 2: people that carved, that lived there, and that's all I said.
Speaker 2: I didn't promote any more than that. He said, okay,
Speaker 2: and he showed me his notes and his sketches and
Speaker 2: everything afterward, and he's like, so there were people there
Speaker 2: and they started they would get this sort of anxious feeling.
Speaker 2: He said, there's some kind of energy coming down from
Speaker 2: the sky and like a spiral pattern. And then he's
Speaker 2: looking around. He's like, oh, there are two silver discs
Speaker 2: in the sky. And he went on to describe an
Speaker 2: alien encounter where they came down and visited natives and
Speaker 2: taught them things. And that is what the carvings kind
Speaker 2: of show. The weird thing about this place is the
Speaker 2: sky people left evidence. I don't know if they've visited
Speaker 2: twice or if they left the evidence and they carved afterward.
Speaker 2: But what they did was they had the sky people
Speaker 2: leave their handprint in paint. This isn't a painting of
Speaker 2: a handprint. This is hand dipped in paint and put
Speaker 2: on the wall next to the carvings of the sky people.
Speaker 2: And I've showed the pictures to as many natives as
Speaker 2: I can. Luckily, a lot of the Native Americans out
Speaker 2: here have been open and friendly and willing to talk
Speaker 2: to me about things I'm experiencing because it relates to
Speaker 2: things they know about. And they all tell me the
Speaker 2: same thing. It's not one of the native's hands. They
Speaker 2: were short, man, they had little, stubby hands. And this
Speaker 2: is well, I mean, oddly enough, when I put my
Speaker 2: hand on it when I first saw it, it's exactly
Speaker 2: the size of my hand and I'm six foot three,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's not a native person's handprint. It
Speaker 2: was the handprint of the sky person they carved. And
Speaker 2: it's It gets weirder too, because the UFO activity out
Speaker 2: here is unlike anything I've seen. We're getting all these
Speaker 2: reports now over drones right on the East coast, and honestly,
Speaker 2: it's not impressive at all compared to what you get
Speaker 2: to see out here every night drones. I can tell
Speaker 2: you this from studying UFOs and watching them a lot.
Speaker 2: First you got hadn't know how to identify a UFO
Speaker 2: versus anything else, right, Well, what makes it unidentified? Rather
Speaker 2: alien craft do not have FAA regulated robe lights, because
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. So you know, that's one of the main
Speaker 2: things if you're trying to research UFOs is it flashing,
Speaker 2: Does it have a mechanical strobe light on it? It's
Speaker 2: probably a man made aircraft. Every single man made aircraft
Speaker 2: has strobes. Single flashes, private, double and triple flashes are military.
Speaker 2: And you know, so the drone thing, it is weird.
Speaker 2: Why is that happening? But it's probably a smoke show
Speaker 2: for something else that's actually going on. You know, let's
Speaker 2: send up a bunch of drones that confuse people and
Speaker 2: then they won't notice all the real UFOs that are
Speaker 2: just somewhere else or something like that. But I would here,
Speaker 2: if you go out after sunset is the best time
Speaker 2: to see them. Once the sun goes past the horizon,
Speaker 2: we can't see it, but it's still shining in the
Speaker 2: upper atmosphere and these things still reflect light. And the
Speaker 2: most I've scene in a two hour span is probably
Speaker 2: about two hundred individuals. The least of amount I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: and when I went out is like when there's a
Speaker 2: full moon and it kind of blocks it and you
Speaker 2: see maybe twenty of them and formations. You know, satellites. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's talk about satellites real quick. I've used satellite
Speaker 2: trackers enough now to where it's I realize it's not
Speaker 2: even useful to waste your attention on the satellite tracker
Speaker 2: in a one hour timeframe. I've never caught more than
Speaker 2: three satellites over this part of northern Arizona. And from
Speaker 2: what I've heard talking to people who work on satellites
Speaker 2: and stuff and talking to the tour guides, satellite people say,
Speaker 2: the satellites we can see with our naked eye and
Speaker 2: with the night vision are near Earth orbit, and those
Speaker 2: are usually telecommunication satellites over this part of northern Arizona.
Speaker 2: He said, I think seven or eight and in a
Speaker 2: two hour window. Yeah, I was looking at about one
Speaker 2: hours and I was getting six and never got or three.
Speaker 2: I never got four. So he seem to line up
Speaker 2: with what a satellite person says. The formations out here
Speaker 2: are really wild. You're getting very familiar with starlink. I
Speaker 2: still try to help people identify starlinks when they're in
Speaker 2: the sky, because almost everyone out here will start pointing
Speaker 2: about as a UFO because people here look for UFOs,
Speaker 2: and starlink is very predictable, it functions, it acts the
Speaker 2: same way every time. And the other craft we see
Speaker 2: out here, which if you look up who to Tall two,
Speaker 2: Episode one. It's a collection of my UFO videos and
Speaker 2: you know, how do you know it's not a satellite
Speaker 2: or space junk and all that. I wanted to get
Speaker 2: deeper into that. I moved here two years ago just
Speaker 2: to see, if you know, forget camp trips once a year,
Speaker 2: what if I'm here all the time, What's going to
Speaker 2: happen with me and these creatures and all that and UFOs?
Speaker 2: Then can I bond with them? Can the encounters grow?
Speaker 2: Is this part of our natural process of maturing our soul?
Speaker 2: You know, while we're on a low level planet like this,
Speaker 2: and so we can eventually get back up higher levels
Speaker 2: at some point. And maybe if you're on that process
Speaker 2: of enlightenment, these things interact with you more because you
Speaker 2: can handle it, you're aware of it. Your awareness definitely
Speaker 2: affects it. If you don't want these things to come around,
Speaker 2: you're not as likely to see them. It's really bizarre.
Speaker 2: And then with the UFOs up until I moved here,
Speaker 2: a couple times I flashed a laser at them and
Speaker 2: they would flash a light back, and I thought that
Speaker 2: was pretty neat. Honestly, I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2: That showed some sort of intelligence. There is a randomness
Speaker 2: of Okay, well what if that was coincidence? What if
Speaker 2: that's a piece of space junk. Because I was on
Speaker 2: Discovery Channel on Alien Encounters Factor Fiction on episode three
Speaker 2: at the end, and this lady's trying to tell me that,
Speaker 2: like everything we see is just space junk. Oh, it's
Speaker 2: just space judge. It's like, okay, well, we can't get
Speaker 2: anywhere if you just write everything off of space junk.
Speaker 2: So with people like that, they say, well, when you
Speaker 2: shine your laser at it, it was coincidence. It happened
Speaker 2: to hit the sunlight and reflect it back at you.
Speaker 2: It was just a coincidence. I said, Okay, that's funny
Speaker 2: because this was about two in the morning. There was
Speaker 2: no sunlight for it to reflect off. The sun was
Speaker 2: on the other side of the planet. But I'll keep
Speaker 2: trying other things, so I didn't you know, I do
Speaker 2: trial and error. I fail at a million things before
Speaker 2: I figured out something that works. And I was out
Speaker 2: with the night vision the UFO tour and Melinda, who
Speaker 2: runs a tour, and I, you know, we've become pretty
Speaker 2: good friends. So she'll usually let me have the night
Speaker 2: vision before everyone else while she gives her introduction talk,
Speaker 2: I can hook my camera up to it and get
Speaker 2: some filming. And there was one evening I was the
Speaker 2: only one with night vision at this point. She and
Speaker 2: another woman were discussing consciousness, and at the time I
Speaker 2: was filming a very dimly lit craft I was. I
Speaker 2: had seen it maybe about a minute before or so.
Speaker 2: I think it was about a minute or so total
Speaker 2: time the craft was visible to me. I didn't film
Speaker 2: it that whole time because I was filming. I'm looking around, okay,
Speaker 2: then go back, and then so I focus in on
Speaker 2: it and I hear the two women speaking, and one
Speaker 2: woman asked, Melinda, do you think they want to connect
Speaker 2: with us consciously? And that struck me. I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's exactly what I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: And as I was video hitting the craft, I just
Speaker 2: as asked the question, it out loud, not in my head,
Speaker 2: audibly on camera. I said, flash, if you want to
Speaker 2: connect with us consciously, and immediately this thing discharged. The
Speaker 2: giant is flash a lot me is so obvious and
Speaker 2: so cool. In fact, if you didn't see the craft
Speaker 2: in the footage flying, when it makes the flashes really obvious,
Speaker 2: that it's there, and that kind of threw me off.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, they're replying. And I didn't try it
Speaker 2: again that night because I was kind of overly excited
Speaker 2: that it happened once. So then the next time I
Speaker 2: went out, I decided to try it again, and it
Speaker 2: didn't work the first few times. And then I was
Speaker 2: sitting there watching this craft fly by and it was
Speaker 2: going at a decent pace, nice and fairly slow, very bright,
Speaker 2: and I saw it discharge a flash of light without
Speaker 2: any prompt for me. So I thought to myself, Ah,
Speaker 2: it has the ability to flash a bright light. It's
Speaker 2: all I could. I just okay, that craft can obviously
Speaker 2: flash a light. So I watched it for a few
Speaker 2: minutes to see if it was doing it at regular intervals,
Speaker 2: because I've seen them do this and I've timed it
Speaker 2: and it'll do it every seven seconds or every twelve
Speaker 2: seconds and bang, there it goes. So I wanted to
Speaker 2: see if it was doing that because I don't don't
Speaker 2: want to time my questions if it's flashing at regular intervals.
Speaker 2: And I kept watching it and it didn't make any
Speaker 2: other flashes. I said, all right, perfect, so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: start answer and asking this thing questions. Now I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there and honestly, I don't know what to ask. So
Speaker 2: I just say, flash if you know who I am?
Speaker 2: And it flashes really bright and did. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, do it again? Bang it does it again.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just like, Okay, now I really don't
Speaker 2: know what to say. And I started asking. I wondered
Speaker 2: if it was John Leir And I missed John, sitting
Speaker 2: with him in his house and talking and seeing all
Speaker 2: the pictures he had of the moon and Mars and
Speaker 2: all the nine to eleven stuff. That's like, some of
Speaker 2: those would be some of my favorite memories from this life.
Speaker 2: And man, that's actually really kind of got me back
Speaker 2: for a second there. Anyway, I kind of bringing up
Speaker 2: John kind of made me luth track of what I
Speaker 2: just said. You're all right, yeah, remind me where I was.
Speaker 1: To be honest.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I remember about John. I asked the
Speaker 2: UFO if it was John Lear. That's what I was getting.
Speaker 1: You asked about John. But when you started talking about
Speaker 1: like his pictures of the moon, he starts to being
Speaker 1: Mars and the nine to eleven I didn't realize he
Speaker 1: was interested in the nine to eleven stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, he was a pilot, so he knew about airplanes.
Speaker 2: We talked a lot about that. Yeah, you and I
Speaker 2: will talk on the phone. I'll give you some goods
Speaker 2: about that. So I'm seeing this craft fly by, and
Speaker 2: I wondered if it was John. My impression when John
Speaker 2: died is he graduated this level of existence and he's
Speaker 2: up with, you know, higher level beings now and he
Speaker 2: probably has his own UFO. So I asked it, are
Speaker 2: you John Lear And it didn't say yes. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'll dang it, okay, And then.
Speaker 1: Before we keep going, I do have a couple of questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when like the c fives, like the five stuff, or
Speaker 1: people communicate with these things, how do you know that
Speaker 1: they're communicating.
Speaker 2: If I've been to those events and I see people
Speaker 2: taking almost anything in communication, much like when we're younger
Speaker 2: and we want to go into an abandoned house because
Speaker 2: it's haunted. Any sound we hear as a ghost, right,
Speaker 2: So if you get a bunch of people together to
Speaker 2: summon a UFO to communicate, I've been part of these
Speaker 2: groups and I've seen the UFO do something and didn't
Speaker 2: mean it was communicating to me, but it did to
Speaker 2: these other people. But it's really that's one really tricky
Speaker 2: thing with UFO. So if a group of ten of
Speaker 2: us were picked up by a UFO and drop back off,
Speaker 2: none of it are none of us are going to
Speaker 2: remember it the same. They're very weird craft in themselves.
Speaker 2: You would remember it differently based on our level of awareness, memories,
Speaker 2: we had, things we did on it. They aren't as
Speaker 2: simple necessarily as just a room that flies around like
Speaker 2: a jet. They're not that. We'll touch more on what
Speaker 2: I think they are in a sec So with this craft,
Speaker 2: I was videotaping, asked questions. So finally I asked, I
Speaker 2: asked it, can you come back in a formation? And
Speaker 2: bang and said yes. I said, okay, can you come
Speaker 2: back as a formation of two and bang? It said
Speaker 2: yes again, and then it turned the camera off and waited.
Speaker 2: About sixty seconds later, all of us could see it,
Speaker 2: even without night vision, even with the full moon out.
Speaker 2: It came back as a pair of craft flying in
Speaker 2: tandem right by us, and I got video of that too.
Speaker 2: So they were definitely engaging with me that night to
Speaker 2: the point where I could make a request and they
Speaker 2: would actually fulfill that request. No, I don't quite understand
Speaker 2: why that is. I don't know if it's only when
Speaker 2: there's a particular type of et because it doesn't happen
Speaker 2: all the time. But the UFOs. So, I see a
Speaker 2: lot of people talk about Sedona, and I see a
Speaker 2: lot of people say there are portals in Sedona. I
Speaker 2: heard them say that there's portals on the ground out here,
Speaker 2: that there's a portal in the sky. The portal in
Speaker 2: the sky I hear referenced as to UFOs flying into
Speaker 2: this portal, like one portion of the sky that they
Speaker 2: seem to go to and disappear there. That could simply
Speaker 2: be the shadow of the earth and anything reflecting light
Speaker 2: disappears at that point. So you can't necessarily say it's
Speaker 2: a portal in the sky if you really look that
Speaker 2: the people, well, I I'm pretty sure Bob Bazaar is
Speaker 2: not a liar. Some people don't believe Bob Bazaar, and
Speaker 2: that's okay from my personal experiences with John Layer for
Speaker 2: so long, and I've been in the room with Bob once. Actually, look,
Speaker 2: there's Bob's autograph right behind me. He wasn't a liar.
Speaker 2: So when Bob talked about the way the propulsion system
Speaker 2: on these craft work. I do understand that to be correct,
Speaker 2: and I do see craft operating in the way he
Speaker 2: described them. One thing he said in particular was the
Speaker 2: way they naturally bend light and gravity around the craft
Speaker 2: makes them invisible and when you're underneath them because light's
Speaker 2: bending around them. The one night we had a close
Speaker 2: encounter out here on a UFO tour, That's what happened
Speaker 2: when it came flying over our head at only like
Speaker 2: a thousand feet and without night vision, there was nothing
Speaker 2: in the sky above you. But if you pointed your
Speaker 2: laser up at it, the laser would hit an object
Speaker 2: that would absorb it, kind of like the predator would
Speaker 2: absorb light if you hit it when it was camouflaged.
Speaker 2: That's what this thing would do, was bending the light
Speaker 2: around the craft when you hit it with a So
Speaker 2: what Bob Bazaar said did holds true in the field,
Speaker 2: and if this is the case, the way the engine
Speaker 2: on that craft works, I don't know if engine's a
Speaker 2: right word, but the way it works is it manipulates gravity.
Speaker 2: It can harness the gravity wave, and once it harnesses it,
Speaker 2: it can use it to Basically it locates its destination
Speaker 2: in whatever point in space time, it pulls that location
Speaker 2: to it, and the craft goes back to the location
Speaker 2: with the gravity. It isn't flying there, it travels in
Speaker 2: a different way, basically makes a portal. That's what we
Speaker 2: think of portals as, right, a doorway that takes you
Speaker 2: from one world to the other. Well, that's what a
Speaker 2: UFO is. It has a portal on it or stargate
Speaker 2: on it. So I don't believe that there is some
Speaker 2: portal or stargate on on the planet left behind by ets,
Speaker 2: because they all have one on their craft. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's how the craft move. I don't see the reason
Speaker 2: they would just leave one buried in a mountain for
Speaker 2: us to find. So when I hear people say there
Speaker 2: are portals in Sodona, I'm all for it. Just show
Speaker 2: me one, like I'm in as long as you know.
Speaker 2: The stories are great. But I hear the same stories
Speaker 2: being perpetuated and they've never had any truth to them,
Speaker 2: So I kind of try to just focus on ones
Speaker 2: that seem to be actually a little more true. That
Speaker 2: makes sense because these topics are ridiculous. It's really hard
Speaker 2: to tell people the other They're still dinosaurs walking around,
Speaker 2: but don't worry, they disappear. I don't really know how
Speaker 2: to describe that to people other than I have videos
Speaker 2: of their footprints in dirt. You know, it's not fossilized
Speaker 2: in a rock. It was a footprint that was made
Speaker 2: while that day or that week. There's other things on
Speaker 2: the ranch too. Bigfoots aren't just the only things there.
Speaker 2: There's I tracked this creature for like five or six
Speaker 2: months now. It's foot looks similar in size and shape
Speaker 2: to a bigfoot, but it only has three toes, and
Speaker 2: they're kind of shaped like a plums or something like.
Speaker 2: They're big and round. They're not like three skinny toes.
Speaker 2: They're just three big, large toes. And I found them
Speaker 2: on the ranch. I would find them probably within I
Speaker 2: think it was an eight mile radius. For those months,
Speaker 2: i'd find this creature in those tracks. One of them.
Speaker 2: I actually got a three D lightar scan of it
Speaker 2: because it must have been really damped that night. When
Speaker 2: this thing stepped, it smashed the soil up between its toes,
Speaker 2: and when I found the print, that's what was there,
Speaker 2: the three giant toes with the soil pressed. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's obviously there were toes. I didn't count that guy
Speaker 2: once in the daytime. There's an area where the painting
Speaker 2: of the white Bigfoot is and the mammoth, and I
Speaker 2: was walking around there and I heard it on the ground.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was napping or something. I
Speaker 2: heard it roll and that sounds weird, but you could
Speaker 2: hear the branches break and you can feel it. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine an animal that weighs as much as these
Speaker 2: things way, because you feel the ground when they are around.
Speaker 2: And so I heard the branches, I heard this sing
Speaker 2: roll around, and I kind of pause, turn my camera on,
Speaker 2: by the way you turn your camera, and they tend
Speaker 2: to disappear, but turn my camera on. Started walking around
Speaker 2: to see what's happening, and found the three toed track again. There.
Speaker 2: Then there's a round of footprints, big round ones, you know.
Speaker 2: Linda said there's Bronosaurus on the ranch every now and then.
Speaker 2: The first round tracks I found, I mean that's what
Speaker 2: they look like. The other ones I find are about
Speaker 2: eight to ten inches in diameter, maybe up to three
Speaker 2: inches deep. Now I'm about one hundred and seventy five pounds.
Speaker 2: I don't really make an impression in the in the
Speaker 2: ground I'm talking about here. If I do, it's just
Speaker 2: a boot and mark. I'm not indenting the ground. When
Speaker 2: these things step, they're displacing the dirt. I mean it,
Speaker 2: it smashes it down and it mountains up around the
Speaker 2: sides of the foot. I have no idea what makes
Speaker 2: those round footprints. There is this weird creature out there.
Speaker 2: We've only heard Tom Dongo one of his favorite stories
Speaker 2: as him and Linda Bradshaw are out there one night
Speaker 2: and something roared like a lion, and he said, right
Speaker 2: when it did it, they had seven dogs back then,
Speaker 2: because Bradshaw's would keep any straight dogs that came through,
Speaker 2: and so all seven dogs took up and ran off
Speaker 2: in the direction of this roar. And he said to
Speaker 2: him and Linda, they were convinced they were going to
Speaker 2: be picking up dog pieces, like pieces of dogs, and
Speaker 2: he said, but I quieted down, and all the dogs
Speaker 2: just came trotting back like everything was fine, like they
Speaker 2: knew the creature, like they were friendly with it. And
Speaker 2: I was out there one night. So the most difficult
Speaker 2: part of trying to study this is to have encounters.
Speaker 2: You need to go out at night, you need to
Speaker 2: bring almost nothing with you. If you have cameras and
Speaker 2: electronics and stuff, a lot less is going to happen.
Speaker 2: So if you're only trying to get evidence, that's one
Speaker 2: thing I'm not. I'm trying to understand it, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to see what evidence I can bring back from
Speaker 2: those encounters. And so what I have to do is
Speaker 2: I need to go in there in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night alone without a flashlight, or I try to
Speaker 2: keep my phone on me, but I'll put it on
Speaker 2: airplane melt or something. There's nights when I don't even
Speaker 2: bring my phone, and man, really weird stuff happens. I
Speaker 2: have some before and after videos we're editing together now,
Speaker 2: like I'll shoot video before I walk in, leave everything
Speaker 2: in the car, come back out, shoot another greea. And
Speaker 2: it was just maybe it was earlier this summer, was
Speaker 2: this year. I was out there in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and I heard it roar like a lion,
Speaker 2: and oh my gosh, I was. I just kind of stopped.
Speaker 2: And here's this is where the difficult part comes in
Speaker 2: and why I end up having to go alone, Because
Speaker 2: you want to leave when you hear that, your instinct,
Speaker 2: everything about you tells you to run back to your car,
Speaker 2: and I would bring friends and something like that happens.
Speaker 2: They don't let me stay, so I don't have the
Speaker 2: chance to go in the direction of the creature. So
Speaker 2: they're pulling me back to the car. And so you know,
Speaker 2: that night it roared. My phone was in my pocket
Speaker 2: and I have my tripod, put my tripod out, put
Speaker 2: my phone on it, turn the video camera on. It's nighttime,
Speaker 2: so the video is really just showing the horizon. I
Speaker 2: was hoping I would be able to catch audio of
Speaker 2: this thing making noise again. So I'm sitting I'm standing there.
Speaker 2: You know, I just set the camera up and kind
Speaker 2: of forgot about it. It wasn't important to me at
Speaker 2: that point. I'm trying to gather myself and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to narrate so that I have audio what's happening. And
Speaker 2: I heard it again. It didn't roar the second time.
Speaker 2: It made this just the weirdest grunting, groaning kind of
Speaker 2: ugh oddness, And fortunately my cell phone camera picked it up.
Speaker 2: This sing was still We're talking a one hundred yards away,
Speaker 2: because there was this fenced off area between the branch
Speaker 2: and a corral and it's about one hundred yards or so,
Speaker 2: and so this sing was on the other side of
Speaker 2: that to me, and we have it on audio. I
Speaker 2: took it home and I put it on my computer
Speaker 2: and turned the volume way up, and you can absolutely
Speaker 2: hear that there's something there. The problem is you can't
Speaker 2: identify the sound other than something big that was making noise.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the creature that makes the
Speaker 2: round footprints. But the roar came from the place where
Speaker 2: I find the round footprints. And there's a set of
Speaker 2: them that I first found over a year and a
Speaker 2: half ago, and those tracks are still there. They've been
Speaker 2: rained on, snowed on everything, but this thing was so heavy.
Speaker 2: I mean, those the tracks are still there. I just
Speaker 2: brought somebody out there the other day to shango. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're a lot less obvious now than when I first
Speaker 2: found them. But what happens is these creatures a weigh
Speaker 2: so much and they push makes such a big hole
Speaker 2: when they step. Then when it rains, all this silt
Speaker 2: comes and fills in the hole. So you have these
Speaker 2: areas where it's very very rocky, but when they step,
Speaker 2: they push the rocks down and it fills in with silt,
Speaker 2: so you have these very clear tracks that you're easily
Speaker 2: able to identify, and you can you'll see the left
Speaker 2: right transitions. There was another big creature out there who's
Speaker 2: it has rectangular feet and I couldn't see any toes,
Speaker 2: so I don't know if it wears some kind of
Speaker 2: shoes or something. The weirdest thing about it is it
Speaker 2: plays hopscotch. Found this four or five times. It goes
Speaker 2: up on the hillside and it does this footprint pattern
Speaker 2: of one two one two one two two one one.
Speaker 2: It like it's playing some kind of game. It's not
Speaker 2: a natural way to walk. There's no reason to walk
Speaker 2: that way if you're hunting or anything. So I maybe
Speaker 2: they just didn't have a good time when they're out there.
Speaker 2: Everything seems to point that they are metaphysical in nature.
Speaker 2: These are not terrestrial things. We would be the dumb
Speaker 2: monkey in relation to a bigfoot. I'm promising that the
Speaker 2: Patterson Gimlin footage. You know, the people have asked me
Speaker 2: a lot about that. From field work. If you put
Speaker 2: a trail cam out, everything stops, The creatures don't show
Speaker 2: up anymore, nothing happens in that area. So I get
Speaker 2: a little frustrated when people go out and put trail
Speaker 2: cams in the area. But I don't interfere with other
Speaker 2: people's stuff, so I leave them up and I just
Speaker 2: move what I'm doing to another part of the area
Speaker 2: with our trail cams. But these things can sense electronic devices.
Speaker 2: So when you see shows of bigfoot hunters going out
Speaker 2: into the woods with these giant infrared lights and infrared cameras,
Speaker 2: and they think, oh, well, people can't see that stuff,
Speaker 2: so we'll be able to sneak up on a bigfoot,
Speaker 2: you will not. I'm telling you I've been doing this,
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of days a week on an
Speaker 2: area where I know these creatures are on this property.
Speaker 2: Fed them they've been I mean footprints all the time,
Speaker 2: wood knocks and growls and whistles and grunts and yells.
Speaker 2: I've seen it in the day, seen it at night.
Speaker 2: Their eyes glow. I have a photograph of it. So
Speaker 2: I'm not it isn't a question to me whether they
Speaker 2: or not they're there. Now that I know where they are,
Speaker 2: I want to take time to see how to properly
Speaker 2: interact with these things, because I've heard they can speak
Speaker 2: and write and do all sorts of things we can't.
Speaker 2: One of the things that did on the ranch was
Speaker 2: walk through a wall, and a monkey can't do that.
Speaker 2: It just it just can't. There there was an Old
Speaker 2: West movie set on the ranch for a long time,
Speaker 2: and then it turned into like a Wild West show.
Speaker 2: At one point they had a little building that was
Speaker 2: like a general store, and that little building was all
Speaker 2: boarded up, little building. I think it was only like,
Speaker 2: you know, fourteen feet by like twelve feet and you know,
Speaker 2: not a big store, just a little thing. Well, one night, Linda,
Speaker 2: when Linda lived on the ranch, the bigfoot went into
Speaker 2: that building and found a jaw of fireball candies like
Speaker 2: pepper ball candies, and it sat on the floor, opened
Speaker 2: the jar, the lit off the jar, peeled the wrappers
Speaker 2: and ate a hundred of them, and then walked through
Speaker 2: the wall and out again. They had to open up.
Speaker 2: They had to take the boarding off to get into
Speaker 2: that place. To see the light the messet left. They
Speaker 2: certainly walked right through the walls to get in. And
Speaker 2: now and the nights I've been out there and we've
Speaker 2: heard it causing damage to structures very obviously, like the
Speaker 2: friends I had with me thought asked me, is there
Speaker 2: a construction crew at midnight out there destroying the RAMT
Speaker 2: What the heck is happening? I was, I don't know,
Speaker 2: something that's just angry out there. I don't know why
Speaker 2: it's angry, but it is. And we go back the
Speaker 2: next day and there's nothing at all ruined or destroyed.
Speaker 2: There's no sign of any damage. And that was driving
Speaker 2: me crazy until I heard the Hunters and the Sierras
Speaker 2: and the Sierra sounds that are at the end of
Speaker 2: a missing forum one hunted. So those guys obviously had
Speaker 2: creatures there. They have the best audio we probably have
Speaker 2: gotten of them. And they had nights where the creatures
Speaker 2: came into their property and it sounded like they were
Speaker 2: destroying everything, and they come out and everything's fine, nothing's destroyed.
Speaker 2: So they got video. Patterson and Gimlin got amazing video.
Speaker 2: And the reason I think they got it Patterson Gimlin,
Speaker 2: they were hand cranking that camera that was not an
Speaker 2: electronic device. I think when they got that, we were
Speaker 2: at a point in our technology where it maybe worked
Speaker 2: for that kind of thing. That creature didn't realize it
Speaker 2: was being video, but it didn't knew there were people there,
Speaker 2: but didn't just kind of vanish or disappear because I
Speaker 2: didn't think it clicked that that was a video camera.
Speaker 2: Just thought it was something.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And when you have a digital video camera, they really
Speaker 2: get elusive. And I have friends that are scared. They're like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go camping out there now because
Speaker 2: it's a big foot. I'm like, just turn your camera on.
Speaker 2: You literally have nothing to be afraid of. Like, if
Speaker 2: you think there's a big foot outside your turn your
Speaker 2: video camera and then it'll go away, no problem. Because
Speaker 2: it would come to my campsite all the time. And
Speaker 2: the one that came through and I had two people
Speaker 2: camping with me on my tag because had a big tent.
Speaker 2: One guy had his gun out like drawing. I'm like, dude, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't do that. He's like, oh, I wanted to go away.
Speaker 2: I was like, get your camera and turn it on.
Speaker 2: He got his camera and turn it on. Silence immediately,
Speaker 2: because it knew it was reaching out. I don't know
Speaker 2: why the creatures kind of made themselves aware to me
Speaker 2: out here. I wouldn't have done I would have done
Speaker 2: no work with bigfoots unless they encouraged me too. I
Speaker 2: came out here just to watch UFOs and see what
Speaker 2: I could, you know, gather from those, and so I
Speaker 2: have to collaborate a lot. And when I put out
Speaker 2: my footage on YouTube, the Hoodoo Tall documentary, that was
Speaker 2: really the first time that people were somewhat supportive and
Speaker 2: that people would send me a message and actually make
Speaker 2: the trip out here and help me investigate. Like you
Speaker 2: can't imagine how bizarre that was for me to have
Speaker 2: people approach me in a positive way about this kind
Speaker 2: of thing. And I hope to do more that I'm
Speaker 2: almost done with my dissertation for my PhD on this stuff,
Speaker 2: and one of the things I touch on is we
Speaker 2: need to be able to normalize this subject. I have
Speaker 2: three encounters that I remember. I don't like the word
Speaker 2: abduction when it comes to those kind of encounters because
Speaker 2: it wasn't abducted. I mean, that was an experience, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't an a I wasn't stolen away in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night, and it wasn't violent, it wasn't invasive.
Speaker 2: It was each one was quite an experierience. They're very jarring,
Speaker 2: They're not they don't feel natural, they feel really weird
Speaker 2: when it happens and there was nobody I could even
Speaker 2: go to to talk to about it. And so I
Speaker 2: bring that up because in my dissertation that one of
Speaker 2: the problems is people who have something that happen to
Speaker 2: them have to encounter a double trauma and they end
Speaker 2: up with no help. You know, they have this really
Speaker 2: wild encounter. It doesn't matter if it's a ghost, if
Speaker 2: it's a UFO or a bigfoot or whatever. They had
Speaker 2: this traumatic experience. Then they go try to get some
Speaker 2: peace of mind about it, and they're ridiculed and put
Speaker 2: down and made to feel worse. And so it's not okay.
Speaker 2: For people who have had genuine encounters, who are of
Speaker 2: genuine evidence, they don't want to bring it out because
Speaker 2: it's just going to result in attack. And I've been
Speaker 2: the subject to these attacks. You know, people have never met,
Speaker 2: never know me. They make up the wildest, craziest stuff
Speaker 2: about me, and I just have to accept that's how
Speaker 2: it's going to be. You know. The one thing is
Speaker 2: I don't feel like a destination. It's not about me.
Speaker 2: That's why I used a pseudonym. It was to show
Speaker 2: people these things are real, they're not because I needed
Speaker 2: to know for me what was happening to me. I
Speaker 2: needed to understand this stuff was real or I would
Speaker 2: felt like I was going crazy. And I think there's
Speaker 2: other people out there in that boat. And you can't
Speaker 2: imagine the therapy you get from going out and just
Speaker 2: watching UFOs fly around. Much more normal you feel. Maybe
Speaker 2: for the first time I never felt like I belonged.
Speaker 2: To know that there's more out there, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: maybe feel so much better. So maybe we don't need
Speaker 2: to belong here. Maybe this Earth experience isn't about belonging,
Speaker 2: but it's about using experience take us from who we
Speaker 2: were to what we wanted to become. And I had
Speaker 2: a chance to test that a bit. One amazing thing
Speaker 2: Tom Dongo did for me, so he gave me the
Speaker 2: opportunity to talk to Clifford Mahoodi before he passed away.
Speaker 2: Clifford was a Zuni elder. He's been on ancient aliens.
Speaker 2: He has loads of videos on YouTube of his lectures,
Speaker 2: and he grew up in tribal life and he learned
Speaker 2: from his grandfather's and when he got older, he went
Speaker 2: out into what he told me like the white people world.
Speaker 2: And I got an education as an engineer, But what
Speaker 2: he did was he would even test things he learned
Speaker 2: about from his grandfathers. He would test him with science
Speaker 2: when he was getting his degree. Like one thing he
Speaker 2: told me, He is like, well, when I was young,
Speaker 2: it hailed. It was hail coming down, and he asked
Speaker 2: one of his elders what that was, and the elder
Speaker 2: told him, oh, don't worry, those are seeds from the gods.
Speaker 2: He's like, wow, okay. And later when he was in university,
Speaker 2: he remembered that it hailed out where he lived, and
Speaker 2: he collected son and he brought him in and cut
Speaker 2: each one open, and every single one of them had
Speaker 2: a seed in the middle. Now don't know if the
Speaker 2: elder tribesman ever cut hall open, but they knew what
Speaker 2: was in it. So you know, I have a lot
Speaker 2: of respect for that type of wisdom. I don't care
Speaker 2: if you learned it from a book or from life itself.
Speaker 2: Wisdom is good to have. And so Tom told me, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to introduce you to Cliff. Cliff doesn't talk
Speaker 2: to people. He's like, he's not going to say much,
Speaker 2: but you know, we'll just see what happens. We'll go
Speaker 2: to breakfast. So we go to breakfast and sitting there
Speaker 2: and Cliff isn't saying much. The first thing Cliff says
Speaker 2: to me is just so you know, everyone you meet
Speaker 2: is a total idiot. And I was just sitting there like, okay, uh,
Speaker 2: you just called me an idiot, like to my face,
Speaker 2: Like you basically just told me you think I'm an idiot.
Speaker 2: And I just took it in. I sat there and
Speaker 2: thought about it. I was like, all right, that's a challenge.
Speaker 2: Like he's not going to say anything if he thinks
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot, so I gotta see if I can
Speaker 2: communicate with him on his level. And so so I said, hey, Cliff, like,
Speaker 2: can I tell you what life seems to be so far?
Speaker 2: I want to figured out or anything and see what
Speaker 2: you think. And he said yeah, sure, So I said,
Speaker 2: because I spent so much time time trying to fit
Speaker 2: in before I realized maybe you're not supposed to. And
Speaker 2: I told him life really does seem like it's a bridge.
Speaker 2: It's a bridge from where we were before this life,
Speaker 2: and it's a bridge to take us with the destination
Speaker 2: we wanted to get to. And if life is a bridge,
Speaker 2: don't build your home on it. I think it's a
Speaker 2: good idea to build homes on bridges, and Cliff stopped eating,
Speaker 2: looked at me and said yep, and started eating, and
Speaker 2: then unloaded. Two hours we spent, Cliff wouldn't even stop talking.
Speaker 2: It was still great because I had all these petroglyph carvings,
Speaker 2: I had found paintings, and I needed somebody who really
Speaker 2: knew what they meant to tell me what they meant.
Speaker 2: But that was also just kind of this verification to
Speaker 2: me that somebody as wise as Cliff would also kind
Speaker 2: of come to that conclusion that, you know, life is
Speaker 2: this journey we're taking it. If you can retain the
Speaker 2: ability to keep learning, I think it'd be fine. You
Speaker 2: meet a lot of people who are also a lot
Speaker 2: of people that run into in this field, especially are
Speaker 2: self anointed experts. An expert is an authority figure. A
Speaker 2: self appointed authority figure usually doesn't age well. So I
Speaker 2: hope we can kind of get to this consensus where
Speaker 2: people are stop arguing over who's an authority figure on
Speaker 2: a UFO like nobody obviously. I mean, I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: a PhD in metaphysical science specializing in anomaloust research, and
Speaker 2: I will be the first one to say, I'm not
Speaker 2: an expert in any of these things. How can you
Speaker 2: be imagine know if I told you I was an
Speaker 2: expert in cars, but I'd never owned a car, Like,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be a UFO expert, you better own
Speaker 2: one and tell me how it was made, built and
Speaker 2: how you fix it. And I mean, that's what an
Speaker 2: expert would be able to do. But we get people
Speaker 2: that collect stories or collect evidence and then they say, well,
Speaker 2: I think I should be considered an expert in this.
Speaker 2: And the problem I run into it that usually is
Speaker 2: once they make that commitment, now they stop learning because
Speaker 2: how could they learn anything else. They're an expert, the
Speaker 2: authority figure there's nothing else for them to learn. That's
Speaker 2: basically what they're saying. And it's hard to have conversations
Speaker 2: that involve critical thinking and trying to determine what some
Speaker 2: of these things actually are if you have a bunch
Speaker 2: of people proclaiming that they're experts and whatever they think
Speaker 2: or whatever they're making up is true. We can't continue
Speaker 2: to making up stuff is fun, like I get it,
Speaker 2: make stories and stuff, but at some point we need
Speaker 2: to have some people who are taking this subject seriously.
Speaker 2: And you know, able to validate it in some fashion.
Speaker 1: I've always said when someone claims they're an expert, especially
Speaker 1: on topics like this, it's really hard to take them seriously,
Speaker 1: at least from my stance, because I don't feel like
Speaker 1: anyone's quote unquote an expert, especially if you have to
Speaker 1: tell people you're an.
Speaker 2: Expert exactly right. Yeah, if you're good at something, other
Speaker 2: people will be saying it. You don't need to go
Speaker 2: around virtue signaling I'm good at this. Well, if you're
Speaker 2: good at it, everyone else will know that and they'll
Speaker 2: say yeah, yeah. And so you know, we have this
Speaker 2: this field, like this esoteric field that we get a
Speaker 2: lot of self proclaimed experts because there is no genuine authority.
Speaker 2: There's nobody to say that they're incorrect when they make
Speaker 2: claims about things. But I'll give somebody a tip. You
Speaker 2: got to really look into things that have been proven incorrect,
Speaker 2: and when people use that as their base material, they're
Speaker 2: usually gonna end up making things up. And the other
Speaker 2: thing I've seen too people choose this field because there
Speaker 2: is no actual authority. Figure A lot of us, every
Speaker 2: one of us, from the time we're a kid till
Speaker 2: some point, wanted to think we were special or unique, right,
Speaker 2: Like we see Lebron James and we're like, there's something
Speaker 2: about me and that's special too, right, and we can't
Speaker 2: figure it out. And for the most part the rest,
Speaker 2: you know, we're just all normal people. But I do
Speaker 2: see people coming into this field to make themselves feel special. Now,
Speaker 2: one instance of this I've heard about recently. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't really listen to too much podcasts or watch
Speaker 2: any videos recently because of neck deep in it. And
Speaker 2: so this fella I've become friends with. I met him
Speaker 2: at the RAM, him and his friend of his. We
Speaker 2: went collecting crystals together and one of the other things
Speaker 2: I like to do. And they were telling me about
Speaker 2: a bigfoot podcast or they're listening to and they're telling
Speaker 2: me all this stuff and they're telling me this as
Speaker 2: if it's factual, factual. And then they start telling me, oh, well,
Speaker 2: there are two types of bigfoots. And I said, I've
Speaker 2: also heard that from a reliable source, so scurious what
Speaker 2: they had to say on the subject. Well, they said, well,
Speaker 2: one of the group of bigfoots, they're smaller and reddish,
Speaker 2: and they're cannibals and eight people and these bigfoots are
Speaker 2: left over from when the KNOCKI came here and they
Speaker 2: created these things to my gold, and they left them behind. Okay,
Speaker 2: zacharais Sitchen did an absolutely amazing job trying to teach
Speaker 2: himself how to translate Sumerian texts at his house. Right,
Speaker 2: he did a really good job. But he got a
Speaker 2: lot of it wrong, which is that you would expect that,
Speaker 2: you know, he had no frame a reference. He was
Speaker 2: doing his best to translate something that people didn't know
Speaker 2: what it meant. He got a lot of it right,
Speaker 2: he got a bunch of it wrong because you need
Speaker 2: to know context, You need to know a lot of things.
Speaker 2: There were no giants that came from space to mine gold.
Speaker 2: Let me just logically, you should know that space is
Speaker 2: full of gold. It's full of all the elements. It's
Speaker 2: floating around out there. So why would an advanced level
Speaker 2: species fly through a bunch of gold to land on
Speaker 2: a planet to then try to dig the gold out
Speaker 2: of the rock and the planet like it starts to
Speaker 2: just be so nonsensical, so that when people bring that
Speaker 2: up as their base material, they immediately lose me because yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not true. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but it's just
Speaker 2: this isn't that's not what happened. And you can look,
Speaker 2: you know who did a really good job as the
Speaker 2: WI files on YouTube. They did a good job talking
Speaker 2: about the Autonochi stuff, and you know, it's just mistranslations.
Speaker 2: And nobody that's ever translated those texts has gotten the
Speaker 2: same stuff zach Ryasichen did. They got what it really says.
Speaker 2: And the one bummer about that is you give all
Speaker 2: the credit to aliens, you're taking away the credit of
Speaker 2: the people who did the things at that time and
Speaker 2: created a civilization that wasn't there before. You know, like,
Speaker 2: give humans some credit along the way for accomplishing some things.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there even was an ET influence.
Speaker 2: I think there's ET influence all around the planet. I
Speaker 2: don't think there are aliens from another planet. I think
Speaker 2: their souls just like us that have graduated the Earth
Speaker 2: level of existence. And when you do that, you're allowed
Speaker 2: to then help shape and mold lower level worlds and souls.
Speaker 2: You know. So I'm into soccer a lot, and in
Speaker 2: soccer that promotion and relegation in Euro up at the
Speaker 2: end of the season, the top three teams move up
Speaker 2: a league top three, the three teams on the bottom
Speaker 2: get dropped out of the league, and that way you
Speaker 2: keep the best teams at the top and the bad
Speaker 2: team souls might be something like that, and Earth level
Speaker 2: is not the top league. You know, you earn your
Speaker 2: way out and earn your way down, and death is
Speaker 2: an upgrade or a downgrade depending on how we act
Speaker 2: and what we do.
Speaker 1: I can agree with that. That's kind of how I
Speaker 1: feel about it too. Is I'm not saying that there's
Speaker 1: no afterlife, but I think what we think of an
Speaker 1: afterlife is a little bit different, right, pushed on everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know religion too. I never hate on religion,
Speaker 2: and when I got my master's degree, it made me
Speaker 2: a reverend, So I mean, I'm a man of the cloth.
Speaker 2: But a whatever avenue helps you find moral compass and
Speaker 2: peace and teaches you to be a good person.
Speaker 1: Do it.
Speaker 2: There's no wrong way to do that. But the one
Speaker 2: thing that it gets frustrating when people are really heavy
Speaker 2: into religion is they missed the whole point. So you know,
Speaker 2: I live here in Cottonwood. Now, not a lot of
Speaker 2: guys with cottonwood that are six foot three with big mohawks,
Speaker 2: you can imagine. So one day I hear a knock
Speaker 2: on my door. I looked through the little window and
Speaker 2: these three little old ladies out there. This would be interesting.
Speaker 2: I open it up. They look on their faces when
Speaker 2: as I'm opening door, I see the look on their
Speaker 2: faces smiles right, and they're holding a piece of paper.
Speaker 2: As soon as they see me, just all of it
Speaker 2: went uh like. And they're holding this piece of paper
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, well, we're going to give you
Speaker 2: this paper about Jesus, but I'm like, give me that.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the most like. You're the
Speaker 2: most judgmental people I've ever seen in my life. You're
Speaker 2: spending your time going door to door to teach people
Speaker 2: about Jesus, and you just judged me as much as
Speaker 2: you possibly could because of my aircut, and weren't even
Speaker 2: going to give me the paper. So are you religious?
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it. It seems like you're using
Speaker 2: that as an excuse to not take responsibility for how
Speaker 2: you treat people and say, well God made me that
Speaker 2: way or something like that. So I don't I'm not
Speaker 2: against religion. I don't think the alien thing is gonna
Speaker 2: make religion go away. I think it can help provide
Speaker 2: that same, the same thing where religion provides for some people.
Speaker 2: I do think this subject can provide that for those
Speaker 2: of us that couldn't get it from religion. You know,
Speaker 2: I couldn't because as when I was growing up, you know,
Speaker 2: we went to a Christian church, and do you know
Speaker 2: what I remember most of that, how much everyone talked
Speaker 2: down to me the whole time, or when they go
Speaker 2: to brunch afterward, how they treat the weight staff. I've
Speaker 2: never seen anyone more condescending because they just feel like
Speaker 2: they just spend an hour praising the Lord and you didn't,
Speaker 2: so I'm better than you. Like, that's not religion. That's
Speaker 2: not what you're supposed to be lying about religion. Who
Speaker 2: use it as a flex on people. So there's people
Speaker 2: in the uaphone industry that do that, right, They use
Speaker 2: UFOs as a flex to make them sound like they're
Speaker 2: better than other people, just like they do with religion.
Speaker 2: There's people in religion that use it for what it's for.
Speaker 2: They learn the lessons that are told about in a book,
Speaker 2: and in our case, we're learning lessons about telepathic communicator
Speaker 2: or we're learning them through telepathic communications from ets. Now,
Speaker 2: I can't say that I get those, but there have
Speaker 2: been plenty of people that proven to do that. I
Speaker 2: mean Billy Meyer. I don't really care how much hatred
Speaker 2: Billy Meyern gets like. I produced the most phenomenal photos
Speaker 2: and videos of UFOs we'll ever see. And there is
Speaker 2: a lot of his pictures that have been debunked and
Speaker 2: John lee and I I went to John Leary and
Speaker 2: asked him all about this stuff, and he knew all
Speaker 2: about it. He said, well, what we started doing is
Speaker 2: we found out we meaning the government the US, We
Speaker 2: found out where Billy was getting his photos developed, and
Speaker 2: so what our government was doing. And he said, they
Speaker 2: spend millions of dollars trying to do bunk Billy. If
Speaker 2: he's a liar, they wouldn't have done that. He said,
Speaker 2: they found out where's getting his photos developed, and they
Speaker 2: were sneaking in fake photos they had taken in to
Speaker 2: his real photos, and when he was getting home, Billy
Speaker 2: couldn't tell the difference, and then they're pointing out his
Speaker 2: fake photos. He said, that was one of the tactics
Speaker 2: that we had used against Billy. The old documentaries about
Speaker 2: Billy's footage. They tried to replicate it. They made fake
Speaker 2: models of the UFOs that looked the same and shot
Speaker 2: the same shot, and it's not the same. It's not
Speaker 2: it's different. It's the one he filmed was a real craft.
Speaker 2: And then you have one of the other most remarkable
Speaker 2: cases I've ever heard about, And as long as I've
Speaker 2: been into the subject, I cannot believe it took me
Speaker 2: so long to hear about her. Her name is Dorothy
Speaker 2: Isazat and she lives gosh on the Canadian border I
Speaker 2: think US Canadian border somewhere, and there's a documentary online
Speaker 2: I think Amazon Prime called Capturing the Light. I happened
Speaker 2: on it randomly. You will not believe the footage this
Speaker 2: woman gets on film, real on like actual old cameras
Speaker 2: that have reels of film, and she has I think
Speaker 2: it's twenty thousand or thirty thousand feet of footage, and
Speaker 2: she has visitations from him. And if you know, if
Speaker 2: I'm going to believe somebody about what the aliens want,
Speaker 2: I'm going to believe the woman who's providing the best
Speaker 2: footage of them, but not the person who's telling me
Speaker 2: that Onaki we're digging for gold and you know. Oh
Speaker 2: the other thing too, the guy who the podcaster who
Speaker 2: said that there are two kind of big foots and
Speaker 2: one of them were created and left by the on Naki.
Speaker 2: He also comes to this conclusion that there were like
Speaker 2: twelve Bigfoot ambassadors and then oh, what do you know?
Speaker 2: They made me an ambassador to I'm the ambassador for
Speaker 2: all mankind.
Speaker 1: It's like, really, I know what you're talking about. And
Speaker 1: that guy's like.
Speaker 2: You come to these conclusions really? And the bummer for
Speaker 2: me was, I'm with two people that are believing this guy.
Speaker 2: It's I don't argue with him. He's like, I believe
Speaker 2: that we want to leave. There's no Well, the bigfoots
Speaker 2: are out here eating people. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Well that's the same guy that claims the they they
Speaker 1: support the president elect, that was the one that they wanted.
Speaker 1: That's their that's their guys. What they told him, And
Speaker 1: like he's went on he's actually a psychiatrist.
Speaker 2: I yeah, And he said that something he had a
Speaker 2: big foot encounter once. And so John Lear taught me
Speaker 2: this term u pho disease and it happens in bigfoot
Speaker 2: worlds too, and u pho disease is somebody has an
Speaker 2: encounter where they see a UFO and they talk about
Speaker 2: it and they get a bunch of attention and nothing
Speaker 2: else happens, but they really like that attention, so making
Speaker 2: stuff up, Yeah, he started making it up.
Speaker 1: That is exactly what this guy has done. And he
Speaker 1: is supposedly a psychiatrist. He has a lot of followers
Speaker 1: out there. My thing is he needs a psychiatrist because
Speaker 1: there's something off with the dude.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you know it. And and that's
Speaker 2: another thing too, you know, he uses his degree as
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist to get people to trust him, and that's
Speaker 2: really a selfish thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's borderline in a sense that he shouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to keep practicing that if he's going on the way
Speaker 1: he's doing to manipulate people, there's some ethical code that
Speaker 1: he's not following.
Speaker 2: Right, you know. And I see that too with other
Speaker 2: things I'll tell you right now. Especially around Sedona, I
Speaker 2: meet people all the time that tell me they have superpowers.
Speaker 2: Loads of times I've yet to see anyone be able
Speaker 2: to demonstrate these superpowers, but I'm open to it. Every
Speaker 2: every time you got one, let me see it.
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for the guy that told why that
Speaker 1: he doesn't get picked up on cameras to go invisible
Speaker 1: and show me that he wouldn't visible.
Speaker 2: You're just like an empty cameras. You know, I'm in
Speaker 2: the shop, you just can't see me.
Speaker 1: Yet I was expecting that I didn't even get that much.
Speaker 2: So well, like, there's a couple of people I've met
Speaker 2: out here that claim that they can heal you and
Speaker 2: they can restructure your DNA, and that there's these motherships
Speaker 2: around all the time and they'll bring you up to them.
Speaker 2: And the reason it gets me upset is they have
Speaker 2: ads out where they cater this to people with cancer.
Speaker 2: Are people really struggling with things in life and I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: you're not going to cure their cancer. Don't take a
Speaker 2: don't fill these people with that false narrative and false hope.
Speaker 2: Let them get the help, hey, let them spend their
Speaker 2: money on treatment. Don't try to scam money from people
Speaker 2: that are can't, don't have disposable income. You know, there
Speaker 2: are a lot of wealthy people that want to get
Speaker 2: hypnotized and to learn about. Don't prey on people that
Speaker 2: need every cent they have to get cancer treatment and
Speaker 2: things like that.
Speaker 1: So I get it by a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are quote unquote healers, and I've interviewed some and I
Speaker 1: think genuine like genuinely most of them are decent people.
Speaker 1: But you do have the ones out there that are
Speaker 1: trying to grift on people. But then you also have
Speaker 1: some that I honestly believe they believe what they're saying.
Speaker 1: They believe they can hill these people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I don't think they can.
Speaker 2: And I've seen that also with people changing the story
Speaker 2: of their encounter and they they tell so many lies.
Speaker 2: They truly believe the why they've told you because I
Speaker 2: was there when the encounter happened, or they told me
Speaker 2: about immediately afterwards. I'll give you a good example. At
Speaker 2: the Bradshaw Ranch. There's this other guy who was out
Speaker 2: there and he told me, oh, last night, we're out
Speaker 2: there and it was weird. There was like a woman
Speaker 2: standing like off the side of the road kind of
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, we walked over there and like
Speaker 2: shining a flashlight on real quick and then put it down,
Speaker 2: and the guy with me like shine his laser ad
Speaker 2: her and then put it down and she didn't even
Speaker 2: open her eyes. She was just standing there and then
Speaker 2: we kind of left. She didn't say anything to us
Speaker 2: or anything. It was like interesting. And about a month
Speaker 2: or two later, I met a woman who goes out
Speaker 2: there at night to meditate that it was hurt. Well,
Speaker 2: next time I hear this guy telling the story he
Speaker 2: saw the ghost of Linda Bradshaw at the ranch. No,
Speaker 2: you didn't. You saw a woman meditating, like nothing about
Speaker 2: the encounter suggested it was a ghost to begin with.
Speaker 2: You saw a physical person standing somewhere and you harassed her.
Speaker 2: So you and I'm trying to avoid becoming that the
Speaker 2: I'm trying to stay focused on talking about the things
Speaker 2: I can show to taking it as a stual researcher,
Speaker 2: not a tour guide or an experiencer that calls himself
Speaker 2: a researcher. Oh, I had a really good opportunity when
Speaker 2: I first moved out here. You know, the hardest part
Speaker 2: was going to be finding a place to live and
Speaker 2: a job that could sustain me. And the first thing
Speaker 2: I did was I took a job as a ranch
Speaker 2: hand that gave me free rent and a trailer. And
Speaker 2: then I got a job in Jerome, the town on
Speaker 2: the hillside here, the old mining town, and I got
Speaker 2: a job working as a tour guide for a ghost
Speaker 2: tour company.
Speaker 1: There was no place in Jerome that I've been to Zonne.
Speaker 1: I've been to Jerome and there was a restaurant there
Speaker 1: that they claim was like the most haunted place in
Speaker 1: Jerome or whatever that I hate at, Like this.
Speaker 2: Was the asylum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was like fifteen or longer years ago.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that restaurant is on the It's in the
Speaker 2: Jerome Grand Hotel, which was the third Hospital. So when
Speaker 2: I took this job, you know, I took a ghost
Speaker 2: tour in New Orleans and a guy walked us around town,
Speaker 2: pointed to old buildings, told us some history of them,
Speaker 2: scary things had happened. That was it. I thought it
Speaker 2: would be a cool job, you know. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh cool, learn the history of Jerome, spend my days outside.
Speaker 2: This seems like fun. Well it wasn't that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I did have to memorize like thirty pages of the
Speaker 2: town in history, which is good. I liked learning. But
Speaker 2: these tours, everyone gets a spirit box or an EMF detector,
Speaker 2: and the first time the first tour went on just
Speaker 2: to train, my mind was blown away. I told the
Speaker 2: tour guy I was like, this has been like an
Speaker 2: incredibly active day, right, She's like, no, it's been really slow.
Speaker 2: I was like, what I mean. We had more than
Speaker 2: a season of ghost Hunters in a two hour tour.
Speaker 2: And I did that job for six months, like four
Speaker 2: or five days a week, five tours a day. You know.
Speaker 2: I never gave a tour without ghosts on. It didn't
Speaker 2: matter if it was eleven am, nine pm, never matter.
Speaker 2: By like the second week, they knew my name. We'd
Speaker 2: turn the spear boxes on and they would just say
Speaker 2: my name and like, I guess, I guess we're starting now.
Speaker 2: And I could ask them, like what color is my shirt?
Speaker 2: They'll just say green. Or the only time they answered
Speaker 2: weird with that was I was wearing a red shirt
Speaker 2: and I said, well, color is my shirt? And they
Speaker 2: said blood And I was like, Ah, that's kind of creepy,
Speaker 2: but okay. The people on the tour got to kick
Speaker 2: out of it. There's two types of ghosts up there.
Speaker 2: There's ones that are caught in a loop of when
Speaker 2: they died and they haven't escaped to that moment. We
Speaker 2: would go to the location where the first hospital was
Speaker 2: in Drome and that burned to the ground, and all
Speaker 2: the patients and doctors and everything in it. Those people there,
Speaker 2: there were conscious beings, but there were also several people
Speaker 2: caught in that loop. They ask you for help, they
Speaker 2: ask you for water for the fire, every time you go.
Speaker 2: It's sad. It's quite sad to see that. And then
Speaker 2: you would get completely coherent souls that were more than
Speaker 2: willing to give details of their life as long as
Speaker 2: you didn't bring up the they're dead. They didn't seem
Speaker 2: to know that, and when you do, they stop. So
Speaker 2: if you talk to them like they're alive, you get
Speaker 2: these I mean sometimes minutes long conversations and you can
Speaker 2: absolutely tell if it's a man, a woman or a
Speaker 2: child's voice. I mean clearly and distinctly in the languages
Speaker 2: I heard. Because Rome's a mining town, people came all
Speaker 2: over the world there. It's like thirty some countries. People
Speaker 2: came from English obviously, lots French, German, Chinese, a lot
Speaker 2: of Spanish. What else did we hear? Russian? And the
Speaker 2: weirdest one was a lady from Bosnia. I can't remember
Speaker 2: the language she spoke. I don't know if it's Bosnian,
Speaker 2: but she was getting clear, audible replies in her native
Speaker 2: language too, And then so at that location, then there
Speaker 2: was another location was an apartment I was closed to
Speaker 2: the public, but we have the key, and a double
Speaker 2: homicide took place in there. And the spirits in there,
Speaker 2: they really I developed a bond with them. I guess
Speaker 2: that I didn't even think you could do. They started
Speaker 2: asking me to bring an alcohol. Over the months talking
Speaker 2: to these ghosts in there, I found out they were
Speaker 2: quite the partiers. If you're own, that was what they're
Speaker 2: known for. And so when they would ask me if
Speaker 2: it was a specific type, every time vodka, not alcohol,
Speaker 2: but vodka, and I'd go get a little bottle and
Speaker 2: I'd bring it and I'd stash it in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Seven times that happened, and all seven times it was
Speaker 2: a different type of alcohol. And every time I'd do
Speaker 2: it the next tour I bring in for the next
Speaker 2: day or so. They were the most active I could
Speaker 2: ever imagine in that room. I'd always use a rempod.
Speaker 2: We'll put the rampod on the couch and then we'd
Speaker 2: have our spear boxes and UMF detectors. So the bathroom
Speaker 2: is where the woman was killed, Ruth. So the bathroom
Speaker 2: is kind of this weird feeling. So I'd come in
Speaker 2: after I just left the alcohol, sit everyone down, turn
Speaker 2: the rempod on, and the rampod won't stop flashing lights
Speaker 2: like usually they'll reply here, Nope, just constant activity on it.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, they're pretty happy. People like make
Speaker 2: it do something, and I'm like, so I would ask them, okay,
Speaker 2: can you open the bathroom door? And these things would
Speaker 2: open the bathroom door and then people would lose it
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, can you close it now? And
Speaker 2: then they would close the door. That wasn't even the
Speaker 2: weirdest part. People would start freaking out and tell me
Speaker 2: I'm faking it somehow, which I can understand. I would
Speaker 2: have thought it was fake if I was on the tour.
Speaker 2: And then I would tell them, you go try to
Speaker 2: open that bathroom door, and like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Go try? So the problem was the floor is really
Speaker 2: swollen in that old apartment, and when you try to
Speaker 2: open that door, it hits the floor after about four
Speaker 2: inches and you have to really pick up on the
Speaker 2: door really hard to actually open it. Oaths do not.
Speaker 2: They could swing it freely open and closed. When they
Speaker 2: didn't want us there, they'd open the front door, tell
Speaker 2: you to leave, like it's so real. So if ghosts
Speaker 2: are something people want to experience, go to Jerome. And
Speaker 2: if you don't take a ghost or just walk around
Speaker 2: with a spear box, I mean yet, the tours are fun,
Speaker 2: you get some history and go to places other people can't.
Speaker 2: But the ghosts there are there is easy to see
Speaker 2: as the UFOs in the sky and around Sedona. It's
Speaker 2: that common. It was every day i'd go into the cemetery.
Speaker 2: Cemetery is not as active as the other places. I
Speaker 2: did kind of conclude that the ghosts were attached to
Speaker 2: where they died, not necessarily where they're buried. But we'd
Speaker 2: have really cool interactions in the cemetery. One of them
Speaker 2: was we're in there at night and we're walking on
Speaker 2: the dirt path kind of leaving. Three of us are there,
Speaker 2: and we all had a spear box, and right at
Speaker 2: the same point a man's voice said Frank on each
Speaker 2: of our boxes slightly after the other, not at the
Speaker 2: same time, but Frank Frank, Frank. We're like, WHOA. So
Speaker 2: we stopped and I said, okay, let's look around. I
Speaker 2: never heard the name Frank out here. We looked around
Speaker 2: and I didn't see anything. Next day, I was in
Speaker 2: the cemetery and when I got to that spot, I
Speaker 2: remembered Frank's voice, and in the daytime, there's a bush there.
Speaker 2: I was like, I started moving the bush and there's
Speaker 2: a headstone covered in the bush and the name on
Speaker 2: it is Frank. He was upset. Nobody ever stopped to
Speaker 2: talk to him. As we went to the cemetery. He's
Speaker 2: just waving his flag, like, hey man, I'm here too,
Speaker 2: you know. So the the ghosts are interactive some of them.
Speaker 2: Some of them just are in the state of shock
Speaker 2: and they don't know what to do, which makes you
Speaker 2: think too, they died in that fire over one hundred
Speaker 2: years ago, and to them they're still in that moment.
Speaker 2: To us, one hundred years has passed. So the time
Speaker 2: deprivation that must occur when we're out of body. You
Speaker 2: got to think that maybe time doesn't exist in the
Speaker 2: same way we make it exist on our lives, you know,
Speaker 2: that whole thing, like what one second is a thousand
Speaker 2: years on earth or something. There's a biblical translation that
Speaker 2: equates one day equals a thousand years or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought it seemed weird that a soul could be
Speaker 2: trapped in the same few seconds for over one hundred years.
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird. Have you had any ghost encounters orself.
Speaker 1: We can talk about that hair off air.
Speaker 2: That could be a whole another hour at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've got episodes out there that talk about some
Speaker 1: of the weird things that have went on where I live.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, I have to look some more for sure.
Speaker 2: And if you ever come back out this way, man,
Speaker 2: you got to let me know or plan a trip.
Speaker 2: I'll take you out to the ranch and we'll go.
Speaker 1: I would love to bring the family out to Sedona.
Speaker 1: It's a completely different world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Oh you know it'd be fun too,
Speaker 2: is if we did like a like a ghost episode
Speaker 2: in Jerome and we just got like some spearboxes and
Speaker 2: like we could do like a little thing we do
Speaker 2: it live or something.
Speaker 1: Here's what's funny about the town of Jerome and ghost experience.
Speaker 1: There is a town not too far from me called Jerome,
Speaker 1: and I had a weird experience there.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's funny that they both have
Speaker 1: the same names and they've had weird experiences. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things I kind of concluded about
Speaker 2: out here was the copper mind the town is built around.
Speaker 2: They pulled a billion with a B dollars in copper
Speaker 2: out of that mountain, and there's still more than that
Speaker 2: in there, and copper's incredibly conductive, so I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like the presence of all that copper is maybe
Speaker 2: what's giving the ghosts up there the ability to be
Speaker 2: so active. There's an energy source right next to them
Speaker 2: that maybe feeds that activity, right, It just seems like
Speaker 2: it could be, you know, No.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a possibility. They say water is also a conduit,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of things that happen around water
Speaker 1: sources too, and I'm pretty sure this town of Jerome
Speaker 1: around here is right next to like a water source, so.
Speaker 2: Especially with like underground caves and water go hand in
Speaker 2: hand almost.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been going on now for about an
Speaker 1: hour and a half. Figure where you wrap this one up.
Speaker 1: It's been a great conversation. But before we do, I'd
Speaker 1: like for you to let everyone know where they can
Speaker 1: find your video out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it okay if I give my Instagram too?
Speaker 2: That's where I post usually occurrent whatever you want to
Speaker 2: talk about. Cool man appreciate it. Uh yeah. So if
Speaker 2: any of this kind of touched you or got to
Speaker 2: you in a way that really kind of meant something
Speaker 2: like this subjected to me and you feel like you're
Speaker 2: tired of reading about it or seeing it on TV,
Speaker 2: and you know it's time to see it for yourself.
Speaker 2: All you really need to do is schedule yourself a
Speaker 2: trip to the area near Sedona. And you know Sedona
Speaker 2: can be an expensive place to stay, but Cottonwood is
Speaker 2: right nearby, That's where I live, and you know it's
Speaker 2: completely reasonable, and you're still going to see the UFOs
Speaker 2: and you could still go on the night Vision tour
Speaker 2: in town. So really think about it for yourself. If
Speaker 2: this subject really interests you, and if you want to
Speaker 2: see the footage have already put out, you can just
Speaker 2: search Hohodoo Tall on YouTube and for current things happening.
Speaker 2: I usually post them to my Instagram and to stories,
Speaker 2: which is at a baby raven. A baby raven is
Speaker 2: a logo I came up with for those of us
Speaker 2: that are trying to use our experiences in life to
Speaker 2: become wise at some point, like a raven is ravens
Speaker 2: are seen as really wise many cultures and scientists actually
Speaker 2: have shown that ravens are the third self aware thing
Speaker 2: on the planet, aside from humans and apes. And I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm wise, but hopefully I can learn from
Speaker 2: my experiences and become wise like a raven. So it
Speaker 2: felt like that made us baby ravens. And yeah, on there,
Speaker 2: you know, I post up projects, I'm working on, ways
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get new interactions. If you have some
Speaker 2: ideas that you think are not evasive to the creatures,
Speaker 2: you send me a message on there, let me know
Speaker 2: if you're going out to the ranch at some point.
Speaker 2: You know, you can always let me know them out
Speaker 2: there all the time. So I like collaborating with people
Speaker 2: and hopefully we can understand this stuff a little more
Speaker 2: if we keep trying.
Speaker 1: You've got any links if you just want to send
Speaker 1: them over to me a message and I'll just copy
Speaker 1: them and put them into my show notes for him
Speaker 1: when listening and just click on it and find your stuff.
Speaker 2: For sure, we can definitely do that.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been a pleasure talking with you.
Speaker 2: Likewise, Brandon, really appreciate the opportunity. And if more weird
Speaker 2: stuff happens, no problem. Coming back on and update you.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a plan. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you have a good one you too.
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