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<v Speaker 1>And I just turned around and I call ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. I was done.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't deal with them.

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<v Speaker 3>The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that turned me.

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<v Speaker 2>Away the quickest.

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<v Speaker 1>When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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<v Speaker 1>looked at us. And one of the things I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the most where the eyes were going red. I see

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<v Speaker 1>an orb of light. It is just circling these steps.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it is waiting for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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<v Speaker 2>They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it

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<v Speaker 3>and that's where I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>it don't like death.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello listeners, this is Brandon from Tenfoil Tales podcast. If

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<v Speaker 3>sharing today, I interviewed someone who's been studying a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of time out in Sedona, Arizona, at a place called

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<v Speaker 3>the Bradshaw Ranch. He has found a lot of UFO

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<v Speaker 3>activity along with cryptid sightings and even dinosaur foot tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like a lot of weird stuff going on

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<v Speaker 3>out there, And to be honest, I've been to Soedona.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a place of weird mysticism, so I don't

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<v Speaker 3>doubt that there is quite a bit of strange activity

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<v Speaker 3>going on out in that area. That's enough for me. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to think this time and welcome my guest tonight, Jurgen.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for coming on here and talking to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely appreciate you having me on and giving me

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to kind of share with people what's been

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<v Speaker 2>going on out here near Sodona and and hopefully encourage

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<v Speaker 2>people to maybe come witness a phenomena for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, no problem. Yeah, would you like to let the

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<v Speaker 1>audience know a little bit about yourself before we dive.

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<v Speaker 2>Into absolutely So you know this, I tried really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to just be normal for the longest time, and when

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<v Speaker 2>I was like twenty four years old, these really bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>things started happening to me. You know. Weird things were

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<v Speaker 2>happened in my room at night and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the weirdest thing was I was driving someone home

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<v Speaker 2>on the freeway and all of a sudden, all the

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<v Speaker 2>cars in front of us came to a stop and

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't break in time, and we were going to

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<v Speaker 2>just smash into all these cars, like sixty miles an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a flash of light, and then suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>we were on the other side of all the cars

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<v Speaker 2>and we didn't touch anything. We're just driving normally and

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<v Speaker 2>all this knew that something really weird ha happen, but

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't even begin to wrap my head around it

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't really try to. Then, as you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at all the strange things. I needed advice from someone,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found a guy named John Lear. John was

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<v Speaker 2>a person I had heard on the radio a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of times. I would listen to him on Coast to

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<v Speaker 2>Coast and he always talked about the most interesting things

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I mean, he was like the King of conspiracies.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. He was the first person even say there's

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<v Speaker 2>a secret base in the Nevada Desert called Area fifty one.

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone told me it was crazy, you know everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten years later everyone realized he was right. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I met John, I really kind of just dropped in

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<v Speaker 2>on him at his house. He said he always said

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<v Speaker 2>he lived in Las Vegas. I'd messaged him a couple

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<v Speaker 2>times on a forum and he said he loved cigars,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was in Las Vegas and I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I just put some cigars in his mailbox and went

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<v Speaker 2>to this house. There's a big gate and there's no mailbox,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't need these expensive cigars. So I called

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<v Speaker 2>the number on the Yellow Pages and John answered the phone,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, Hey, John, you don't know me, but

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<v Speaker 2>we spoke on a forum at one point, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to give you some cigars and he said what forum?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, GOLP. There was used to be a

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<v Speaker 2>forum might still be around called Godlike Productions, And he said, GLP,

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<v Speaker 2>you better come on in, and he opened the gates.

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<v Speaker 2>I went in and that started like a fifteen year

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<v Speaker 2>friendship with me and John. He passed away a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years ago now, and John became like my mentor.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was the one that kind of eased me,

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<v Speaker 2>eased the stresses and anxiety I had about these strange

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<v Speaker 2>phenomena happening around me. When I told him what happened

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<v Speaker 2>with the car not crashing, he instantly was just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the Grays said what he said, Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>just prevent things from happening. When they're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>or something is supposed to happen, they'll come and interfere.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, you need to talk to me

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<v Speaker 2>more about this. Then finally, you know, John told me

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<v Speaker 2>all about Bobazar and you know, John and Bob kind

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<v Speaker 2>of exposed Area fifty one together, and he had all

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<v Speaker 2>these pictures and you know, information from a high level

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<v Speaker 2>people that he knew and had received. And so John

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<v Speaker 2>and convinced me the UFOs were real, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to see one for myself. You know. It's it's such

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<v Speaker 2>a different experience to think they're real and to see

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<v Speaker 2>one and know they're real actually. And so I used

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<v Speaker 2>the incident from the Randelston Forest and there's binary code

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<v Speaker 2>translation from that incident that revealed locations on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, well, if I want to see one

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<v Speaker 2>of these things, I'll use one of the locations on

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<v Speaker 2>the list they provided, apparently, and Sedona, Arizona, was the

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<v Speaker 2>closest one to me. I lived in California, and first

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<v Speaker 2>time I came to Sedona on a camp trip, I

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<v Speaker 2>went on the UFO tour with night Vision, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we saw one hundred and some UFOs. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like this mind blowing thing. I couldn't believe all these

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<v Speaker 2>years of me questioning the realer, you can just come

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<v Speaker 2>see them, and that got me hooked. Would come back

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<v Speaker 2>every year on a camp trip for like ten days.

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<v Speaker 2>That started as a week, then ten days. It got

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<v Speaker 2>difficult for me to get people to come with me.

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<v Speaker 2>I had friends that liked to camp, and after a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of trips, it's just it's not for everyone. It's

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<v Speaker 2>weird to say to somebody, hey, you want to come

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<v Speaker 2>watch UFOs fly around with me and then crawl in

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<v Speaker 2>your tent and go to sleep, and they it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a little much. And so the first year I went

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<v Speaker 2>by myself, I went on a hike and it was

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I camped alone and a big foot

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<v Speaker 2>followed me. And let me tell you, I wasn't expecting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Midst It was as shocking to me as it would

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<v Speaker 2>be to anybody. I found a clear foot and handprint

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<v Speaker 2>from it. And in the place I was, I had

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<v Speaker 2>found petroglyph carvings of bigfoot and of its footprints. The

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<v Speaker 2>other bizarre thing is there's a carving down there of

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<v Speaker 2>a saber toothed cat. So these things carvings could be

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<v Speaker 2>as old as ten thousand years and I needed to

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<v Speaker 2>find out what was going on. So I started looking

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<v Speaker 2>into bigfoot reports in Sedona, and that led me to

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Tom Dongo. He was a researcher out

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<v Speaker 2>here for a long time and he researched a place

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<v Speaker 2>called Bradshaw Ranch and I messaged Tom on Facebook. We

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<v Speaker 2>became friends. We're still friends. Tom's been a great help

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<v Speaker 2>and I started talking to Tom about what was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>And he told me the ranch is still there. He

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't been there in a long time. It's abandoned for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty plus years. He said, the activity there it was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty dead. There was nothing really going on there anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But when Linda lived there, Linda Bradshaw, she had these

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<v Speaker 2>constant encounters with a white bigfoot. She called it big Girl.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a book they wrote together called Merging Dimensions,

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<v Speaker 2>which I highly encourage people to read. And even though

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<v Speaker 2>he said the activity there was dead, just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>see the place. There's a YouTube video of Tom Dongo

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<v Speaker 2>presenting his evidence from the ranch to move On in

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<v Speaker 2>like the nineties, and that video had the best collection

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<v Speaker 2>of evidence I've ever seen. And it all came from

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<v Speaker 2>one location. I mean, there were go steparitions or bigfoots,

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<v Speaker 2>weird ets, things they call skyfish for rods, these little

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<v Speaker 2>apparitions that flat through the sky at night, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting all these in one blaze. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see it, and I couldn't find it the

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<v Speaker 2>first time it went. And then Tom gave me some

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<v Speaker 2>better directions and I found the ranch, and the first

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<v Speaker 2>time I was there, I was blown away at what

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<v Speaker 2>I was seeing, and I'm telling you, the weirdest thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I've seen is still weird to say. The first

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<v Speaker 2>time I went to the ranch, I found these very

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<v Speaker 2>large round footprints, maybe thirteen to fifteen inches across, like

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<v Speaker 2>an elephant had been walking through there. At the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that Linda had seen dinosaurs on the

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<v Speaker 2>property walking around. She had seen long necked dinosaur bronosaurs

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<v Speaker 2>type about ten to twelve feet tall, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>seen a t rex type, a two legged type. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it turned out there was still activity there, and I

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<v Speaker 2>try really hard to not think it has anything to

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<v Speaker 2>do with me other than I'm going to the place

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<v Speaker 2>where this phenomena occurs. I started to hear that this

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<v Speaker 2>phenomena occurs on that ranch when it catalyst person shows up,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what Linda was, and that's why things only

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<v Speaker 2>started happening there when Linda moved to the property. Oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 2>the bigfoots are still out there, and they put you

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<v Speaker 2>through this process, and they put Linda through a process.

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<v Speaker 2>She talks about it in her book. Now. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize it was a process until she looked at it

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<v Speaker 2>in hindsight, and when I read her book, I realized, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the exact same thing that's happening to me

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<v Speaker 2>with these things right now. And so it starts with

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<v Speaker 2>you acknowledging them that they're there, and not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>catch or capture them. You're intent with this stuff really

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<v Speaker 2>matters a lot. And so she started trying to feed them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she would knock on wood, they would make knocks, backs,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd know the round. She would put food on a

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<v Speaker 2>red plate. They would eat the food and leave little

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<v Speaker 2>gifts and return rocks or sticks, drop patterns in the dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one day it laid down in the sand

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<v Speaker 2>and left its body impression for Linda to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a great photo of that, and she realized it

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<v Speaker 2>did that because it was soon going to reveal itself

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<v Speaker 2>to her in the daytime, and the creature didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>Linda to be surprised with how large it was, is

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<v Speaker 2>what she figured. And so when I started looking at

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. I started hearing wood knocks out there. So

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<v Speaker 2>I thought about what Linda did, and I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>leave food out and they weren't taking it. At first,

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<v Speaker 2>I was leaving like these expensive like all you know,

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<v Speaker 2>would take the food. They would be there for weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I designated a location to feed and communicate with them,

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<v Speaker 2>Linda used, and that's when it started. Man, it's so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to check the red plate and there was

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<v Speaker 2>grape to me, So I thought, I wondered them want grapes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just went got grapes, put three pounds of

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<v Speaker 2>grapes on the plate, and the next day they're gone,

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<v Speaker 2>all of them. I was like, Okay, that's weird. Then

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<v Speaker 2>to write with them. Because as I was talking to

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people have a weird experience and

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<v Speaker 2>So he told me about a guy in Indiana who

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<v Speaker 2>purchased a large piece of property because there were bigfoots

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<v Speaker 2>on the property, reportedly, and he was doing his little experiments,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said he left out books and when he

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<v Speaker 2>went to go get him, he said the books had

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<v Speaker 2>been critiqued. I don't know any more details. I do

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<v Speaker 2>not know unfortunately what that meant. But they were intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>So what part of Indiana that's where I'm from.

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<v Speaker 2>I will have to ask Tom. He was very kind

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<v Speaker 2>of vague with some of the details because this guy

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<v Speaker 2>didn't necessarily but apparently it was like a thousand acres

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<v Speaker 2>of property and some like multimillionaire guy investor bought it

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<v Speaker 2>because they were going to develop it into houses and

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, Indiana really piques my interest because I'm Indiana.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'll you know, I'll see if I can't

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<v Speaker 2>find out more from Tom and let you know some

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<v Speaker 2>more about that, that would be cool. So I started

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<v Speaker 2>feeding him, and then a chalkboard out and drew some symbols.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it left its body impression in the ground for

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<v Speaker 2>me twice. And by the way, I have pictures of

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<v Speaker 2>videos of all this stuff I'm talking about. I realized

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things is in this field there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many people that relay stories, which is wonderful. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually doing field work to get my PhD in metaphysical

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<v Speaker 2>science studying anoonymalous things. So this is my field work.

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<v Speaker 2>So it has to be something I can back up

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<v Speaker 2>when I say this. So the things I'm saying, I

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<v Speaker 2>have footage and pictures and all this stuff. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it's the one that left its body impression for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Was twelve feet tall, and it was the summer solstice

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<v Speaker 2>a year and a half ago in it let me

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<v Speaker 2>see it in the daytime, just after it did its

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<v Speaker 2>body impression. I got to see it and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a good one hundred yards away from me, twelve feet tall.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I went and took a photo for reference afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>This one was br and when I saw it, I

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<v Speaker 2>was so confused. It was like two PM and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>standing there looking at the tree line and everything's green,

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<v Speaker 2>and then suddenly there's this big clump of brown and

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, I wasn't there any other time I've

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<v Speaker 2>been that summer, and I'm staring at it, like what

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<v Speaker 2>is that? I thought, like, is there a dead tree

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<v Speaker 2>over there in the shape of a person or something like?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't figure out what was going on and if

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<v Speaker 2>it was maybe ten seconds, which felt like two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it turned to the side and walked away

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<v Speaker 2>to the left and disappeared behind a tree, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of lost it. After that. I ran to

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<v Speaker 2>my chalkboard. It had left the symbol. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>first time it had left the symbol on the chalkboard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's done that twice. Now both symbols are both symbols

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<v Speaker 2>have a chevron shape, and one of them we've been

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<v Speaker 2>able to the first symbol it left. We're able to

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<v Speaker 2>identify it and match it to the Zamora incident, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a UFO incident in New Mexico in the nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Officer Zamora saw an egg shaped craft and the desert

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<v Speaker 2>landed on the ground. It had a symbol on it

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<v Speaker 2>in red. If you look at the reports, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>few versions of that symbol. Whoever symbol the big foodrew

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<v Speaker 2>is one of those. And I don't know why the

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<v Speaker 2>ranch or the entities on the ranch are referring to

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<v Speaker 2>old UFO incidents because they did that to Linda. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>she was there and one night she went outside and

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<v Speaker 2>a movie screen basically appeared in the sky. This big

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<v Speaker 2>white rectangle appeared in the sky in front of her.

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<v Speaker 2>She has photos of it. It's amazing. In that screen

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<v Speaker 2>showed an image from somewhere else. It's known as the

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<v Speaker 2>Portal Photographs. However, I don't think that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was projecting an image from the nineteen fifties that's

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington, Oregon, of this really incredible UFO incident, and

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<v Speaker 2>we matched the images up. I mean it's it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same incident. So that would make twice now that this

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<v Speaker 2>property has made a reference to a previous UFO incident,

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<v Speaker 2>once in the fifties, once in the sixties. That's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>strange to me. And you know, so all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>was happening, and my problem was I didn't have help,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was trying to do this, and when

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<v Speaker 2>I try to talk about it is you just get

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculed and you get put down and you get told

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<v Speaker 2>you're a crazy person. And to me, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like telling people you don't believe the UFOs are real,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, no, you're crazy, and like I will

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<v Speaker 2>take you and show you them, and they're like no,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't go. It's like okay, then you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>not for this. And I had all this footage on

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<v Speaker 2>my phone and John Leer and Tom Dongo were both

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<v Speaker 2>telling me, man, you're getting really really good stuff. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to do something with this, and it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a normal guy. Though I'm not. Who's gonna listen.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the first big foot encounter I had where

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<v Speaker 2>it left its perfect footprint, it's right next to a

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<v Speaker 2>carving of a footprint, and Tom Dongo told me, he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like a world class discovery man. He posted it

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook. He's like, no, I don't think I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>found a live footprint next to an ancient carving of

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<v Speaker 2>a footprint. And then I almost died. I had this

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<v Speaker 2>really bad infection in my bone, in my jaw on

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<v Speaker 2>and it filled my body with poison. That was like

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks ago, and luckily I found this charity that

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<v Speaker 2>was helped me to pay for the surgery. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like six months of surgeries and it's just so brutal

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<v Speaker 2>and a liquid diet for like five weeks. As I

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<v Speaker 2>was laying there, I thought if I would have died

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<v Speaker 2>right then all this crazy stuff would have been gone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on my phone you know, the Bigfoot let me

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<v Speaker 2>take its photo out there one night. I have this

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<v Speaker 2>amazing photo of the creature as it just honkered down.

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<v Speaker 2>It squatted down next to the house one night and

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<v Speaker 2>let me get its photos. I think it's just because

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<v Speaker 2>I trust me. I know what I'm doing there, and

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<v Speaker 2>at that time, it decided it would let me do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I decided to put together, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of video of this stuff that was happening out here,

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<v Speaker 2>and the evidence I had already collected, and all the

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<v Speaker 2>years I spent with John Lear, he told me that

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing he regretted was using his real name.

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<v Speaker 2>It caused him to lose his job as a pilot,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what he loved to do more than anything,

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<v Speaker 2>was fly airplanes. And so when I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>come out with this, you know, I decided to just

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<v Speaker 2>use a pseudonym. And all right, the one trouble I

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<v Speaker 2>had was, like I knew, what if I used a

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<v Speaker 2>fake name, people are going to try and analyze it

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<v Speaker 2>like crazy, what does he really mean by that? So

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<v Speaker 2>I just put my real name into the Wu Tang

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<v Speaker 2>clan name generator and it gave me the pseudonym Whodoo. Tall,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I just would just use that. So if

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<v Speaker 2>people want to see, you know, footage of the things,

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<v Speaker 2>you can go on YouTube and if you look up

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<v Speaker 2>whodoo tall h oo d T A L L, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see my old footage. I'm putting up new episodes still.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to put up another episode here in a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks. That's the last two years of my

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<v Speaker 2>encounters with the creatures, some of the things I've been

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<v Speaker 2>telling you about. And there's another painting I found out

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<v Speaker 2>here that is also we're looking ten thousand years old.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a painting of a mammoth there, so that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of helps you date it. And there's a painting of

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<v Speaker 2>a white bigfoot there. There's a painting of a mantis creature.

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<v Speaker 2>This phenomena is incredibly real, and it's been here longer,

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<v Speaker 2>probably than we had been. I mean, if I can

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<v Speaker 2>find paintings and carvings that all the ice age and

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<v Speaker 2>people are still reporting sightings of these things that we

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<v Speaker 2>are today, it kind of lets me know that sightings, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>completely understanding them, maybe not because we've been trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do over ten thousand years apparently, you know, maybe their

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<v Speaker 2>old concepts are these are some sort of gods or

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<v Speaker 2>something is actually applies more than somebody telling me it's

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<v Speaker 2>a big, hairy ape that we haven't discovered. There's no way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's impossible, not with the not with them existing here

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<v Speaker 2>near Sedona, there's no way there's a giant twelve foot

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<v Speaker 2>ape running around that nobody's ever seen. And I've found

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<v Speaker 2>little foot tracks before, you know, ones that are six

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<v Speaker 2>inches and down where the carvings of Bigfoot are, there's

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<v Speaker 2>also carvings of ets, all kinds of them, sky people,

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<v Speaker 2>ant people, people with antenna on their heads. So this

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<v Speaker 2>dry creek, that area definitely had some bizarre things going

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<v Speaker 2>on there. One place in particular, where the sky people

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<v Speaker 2>are carved. In that area there are mortar and pestles.

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<v Speaker 2>So they inhabited that area for quite a while because

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<v Speaker 2>they carved away at rock that's in the ground and

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<v Speaker 2>it's still there so you can see it. And on

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<v Speaker 2>the walls there's two sky people carved, one on the

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<v Speaker 2>left right now. The one on the right has his

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<v Speaker 2>hands extended out and from his hands is a double helix,

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<v Speaker 2>a segmented double helix, exactly like a DNA strand. And

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<v Speaker 2>now you gotta think what in the heck did these

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<v Speaker 2>people see out here when the I mean, I oud

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<v Speaker 2>of somebody remote view it. I know remote viewing is real,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know it's hard to find somebody who's telling

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<v Speaker 2>you who's on target. So what I did was I

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<v Speaker 2>created a blind target for remote viewing. A blind target

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<v Speaker 2>is six or seven random letters and numbers which I

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<v Speaker 2>mentally associate with the location. When I write those numbers

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<v Speaker 2>and letters down, I'm mentally associating it with the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I take that blind target and I went to

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<v Speaker 2>the remote viewing section of Reddit and posted it. I

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<v Speaker 2>said I would like someone to remote view this. People

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<v Speaker 2>started commenting and I wasn't seeing anything that described the location.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was one guy man, he was hitting it

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<v Speaker 2>on the head. He was describing exactly the creek bed,

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<v Speaker 2>the shape of the creek bed. He even pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>that he could smell Reese's pieces, which is what I

418
00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:26.079
<v Speaker 2>had in my backpack that day. So I was like,

419
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:28.839
<v Speaker 2>you're on target. And then we went to private messages

420
00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:31.039
<v Speaker 2>and I asked him, I said, you're on the target.

421
00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Can you go back? I'm not trying to see it now.

422
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:36.799
<v Speaker 2>I want to see what was going on when the

423
00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:40.200
<v Speaker 2>people that carved, that lived there, and that's all I said.

424
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't promote any more than that. He said, okay,

425
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and he showed me his notes and his sketches and

426
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 2>everything afterward, and he's like, so there were people there

427
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and they started they would get this sort of anxious feeling.

428
00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:01.079
<v Speaker 2>He said, there's some kind of energy coming down from

429
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:05.640
<v Speaker 2>the sky and like a spiral pattern. And then he's

430
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:09.519
<v Speaker 2>looking around. He's like, oh, there are two silver discs

431
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:14.359
<v Speaker 2>in the sky. And he went on to describe an

432
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>alien encounter where they came down and visited natives and

433
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:21.599
<v Speaker 2>taught them things. And that is what the carvings kind

434
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.160
<v Speaker 2>of show. The weird thing about this place is the

435
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:31.119
<v Speaker 2>sky people left evidence. I don't know if they've visited

436
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.319
<v Speaker 2>twice or if they left the evidence and they carved afterward.

437
00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:37.519
<v Speaker 2>But what they did was they had the sky people

438
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.599
<v Speaker 2>leave their handprint in paint. This isn't a painting of

439
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:44.160
<v Speaker 2>a handprint. This is hand dipped in paint and put

440
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.599
<v Speaker 2>on the wall next to the carvings of the sky people.

441
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.240
<v Speaker 2>And I've showed the pictures to as many natives as

442
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 2>I can. Luckily, a lot of the Native Americans out

443
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.480
<v Speaker 2>here have been open and friendly and willing to talk

444
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:58.200
<v Speaker 2>to me about things I'm experiencing because it relates to

445
00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.039
<v Speaker 2>things they know about. And they all tell me the

446
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>same thing. It's not one of the native's hands. They

447
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 2>were short, man, they had little, stubby hands. And this

448
00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.279
<v Speaker 2>is well, I mean, oddly enough, when I put my

449
00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:11.440
<v Speaker 2>hand on it when I first saw it, it's exactly

450
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the size of my hand and I'm six foot three,

451
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.559
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's not a native person's handprint. It

452
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>was the handprint of the sky person they carved. And

453
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>it's It gets weirder too, because the UFO activity out

454
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:31.319
<v Speaker 2>here is unlike anything I've seen. We're getting all these

455
00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>reports now over drones right on the East coast, and honestly,

456
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.839
<v Speaker 2>it's not impressive at all compared to what you get

457
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to see out here every night drones. I can tell

458
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.839
<v Speaker 2>you this from studying UFOs and watching them a lot.

459
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>First you got hadn't know how to identify a UFO

460
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 2>versus anything else, right, Well, what makes it unidentified? Rather

461
00:25:55.359 --> 00:26:01.680
<v Speaker 2>alien craft do not have FAA regulated robe lights, because

462
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 2>that's ridiculous. So you know, that's one of the main

463
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:08.440
<v Speaker 2>things if you're trying to research UFOs is it flashing,

464
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Does it have a mechanical strobe light on it? It's

465
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.279
<v Speaker 2>probably a man made aircraft. Every single man made aircraft

466
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:21.160
<v Speaker 2>has strobes. Single flashes, private, double and triple flashes are military.

467
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.759
<v Speaker 2>And you know, so the drone thing, it is weird.

468
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Why is that happening? But it's probably a smoke show

469
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.039
<v Speaker 2>for something else that's actually going on. You know, let's

470
00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:32.160
<v Speaker 2>send up a bunch of drones that confuse people and

471
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:34.279
<v Speaker 2>then they won't notice all the real UFOs that are

472
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.400
<v Speaker 2>just somewhere else or something like that. But I would here,

473
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.799
<v Speaker 2>if you go out after sunset is the best time

474
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 2>to see them. Once the sun goes past the horizon,

475
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.119
<v Speaker 2>we can't see it, but it's still shining in the

476
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:52.119
<v Speaker 2>upper atmosphere and these things still reflect light. And the

477
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 2>most I've scene in a two hour span is probably

478
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:59.960
<v Speaker 2>about two hundred individuals. The least of amount I've ever seen,

479
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.039
<v Speaker 2>and when I went out is like when there's a

480
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:03.799
<v Speaker 2>full moon and it kind of blocks it and you

481
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 2>see maybe twenty of them and formations. You know, satellites. Okay,

482
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:14.680
<v Speaker 2>so let's talk about satellites real quick. I've used satellite

483
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>trackers enough now to where it's I realize it's not

484
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>even useful to waste your attention on the satellite tracker

485
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:28.400
<v Speaker 2>in a one hour timeframe. I've never caught more than

486
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 2>three satellites over this part of northern Arizona. And from

487
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.279
<v Speaker 2>what I've heard talking to people who work on satellites

488
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:41.599
<v Speaker 2>and stuff and talking to the tour guides, satellite people say,

489
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>the satellites we can see with our naked eye and

490
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.599
<v Speaker 2>with the night vision are near Earth orbit, and those

491
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 2>are usually telecommunication satellites over this part of northern Arizona.

492
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 2>He said, I think seven or eight and in a

493
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 2>two hour window. Yeah, I was looking at about one

494
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>hours and I was getting six and never got or three.

495
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.359
<v Speaker 2>I never got four. So he seem to line up

496
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>with what a satellite person says. The formations out here

497
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 2>are really wild. You're getting very familiar with starlink. I

498
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.200
<v Speaker 2>still try to help people identify starlinks when they're in

499
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the sky, because almost everyone out here will start pointing

500
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 2>about as a UFO because people here look for UFOs,

501
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 2>and starlink is very predictable, it functions, it acts the

502
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 2>same way every time. And the other craft we see

503
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>out here, which if you look up who to Tall two,

504
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Episode one. It's a collection of my UFO videos and

505
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, how do you know it's not a satellite

506
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.119
<v Speaker 2>or space junk and all that. I wanted to get

507
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 2>deeper into that. I moved here two years ago just

508
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>to see, if you know, forget camp trips once a year,

509
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>what if I'm here all the time, What's going to

510
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 2>happen with me and these creatures and all that and UFOs?

511
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Then can I bond with them? Can the encounters grow?

512
00:28:55.880 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Is this part of our natural process of maturing our soul?

513
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, while we're on a low level planet like this,

514
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>and so we can eventually get back up higher levels

515
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.759
<v Speaker 2>at some point. And maybe if you're on that process

516
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>of enlightenment, these things interact with you more because you

517
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>can handle it, you're aware of it. Your awareness definitely

518
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.079
<v Speaker 2>affects it. If you don't want these things to come around,

519
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 2>you're not as likely to see them. It's really bizarre.

520
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 2>And then with the UFOs up until I moved here,

521
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 2>a couple times I flashed a laser at them and

522
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.039
<v Speaker 2>they would flash a light back, and I thought that

523
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 2>was pretty neat. Honestly, I thought that was really cool.

524
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>That showed some sort of intelligence. There is a randomness

525
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>of Okay, well what if that was coincidence? What if

526
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.319
<v Speaker 2>that's a piece of space junk. Because I was on

527
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Discovery Channel on Alien Encounters Factor Fiction on episode three

528
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.559
<v Speaker 2>at the end, and this lady's trying to tell me that,

529
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>like everything we see is just space junk. Oh, it's

530
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>just space judge. It's like, okay, well, we can't get

531
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>anywhere if you just write everything off of space junk.

532
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 2>So with people like that, they say, well, when you

533
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>shine your laser at it, it was coincidence. It happened

534
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>to hit the sunlight and reflect it back at you.

535
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 2>It was just a coincidence. I said, Okay, that's funny

536
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 2>because this was about two in the morning. There was

537
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 2>no sunlight for it to reflect off. The sun was

538
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the planet. But I'll keep

539
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.880
<v Speaker 2>trying other things, so I didn't you know, I do

540
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.160
<v Speaker 2>trial and error. I fail at a million things before

541
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I figured out something that works. And I was out

542
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>with the night vision the UFO tour and Melinda, who

543
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.200
<v Speaker 2>runs a tour, and I, you know, we've become pretty

544
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.319
<v Speaker 2>good friends. So she'll usually let me have the night

545
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>vision before everyone else while she gives her introduction talk,

546
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I can hook my camera up to it and get

547
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 2>some filming. And there was one evening I was the

548
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 2>only one with night vision at this point. She and

549
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>another woman were discussing consciousness, and at the time I

550
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 2>was filming a very dimly lit craft I was. I

551
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>had seen it maybe about a minute before or so.

552
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I think it was about a minute or so total

553
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>time the craft was visible to me. I didn't film

554
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>it that whole time because I was filming. I'm looking around, okay,

555
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>then go back, and then so I focus in on

556
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:29.200
<v Speaker 2>it and I hear the two women speaking, and one

557
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.599
<v Speaker 2>woman asked, Melinda, do you think they want to connect

558
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>with us consciously? And that struck me. I was like,

559
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's exactly what I'm trying to figure out.

560
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>And as I was video hitting the craft, I just

561
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>as asked the question, it out loud, not in my head,

562
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>audibly on camera. I said, flash, if you want to

563
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>connect with us consciously, and immediately this thing discharged. The

564
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.039
<v Speaker 2>giant is flash a lot me is so obvious and

565
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 2>so cool. In fact, if you didn't see the craft

566
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>in the footage flying, when it makes the flashes really obvious,

567
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 2>that it's there, and that kind of threw me off.

568
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, they're replying. And I didn't try it

569
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.319
<v Speaker 2>again that night because I was kind of overly excited

570
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>that it happened once. So then the next time I

571
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:19.519
<v Speaker 2>went out, I decided to try it again, and it

572
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't work the first few times. And then I was

573
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 2>sitting there watching this craft fly by and it was

574
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>going at a decent pace, nice and fairly slow, very bright,

575
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 2>and I saw it discharge a flash of light without

576
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 2>any prompt for me. So I thought to myself, Ah,

577
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 2>it has the ability to flash a bright light. It's

578
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 2>all I could. I just okay, that craft can obviously

579
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.680
<v Speaker 2>flash a light. So I watched it for a few

580
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.519
<v Speaker 2>minutes to see if it was doing it at regular intervals,

581
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 2>because I've seen them do this and I've timed it

582
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>and it'll do it every seven seconds or every twelve

583
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.200
<v Speaker 2>seconds and bang, there it goes. So I wanted to

584
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.200
<v Speaker 2>see if it was doing that because I don't don't

585
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 2>want to time my questions if it's flashing at regular intervals.

586
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.319
<v Speaker 2>And I kept watching it and it didn't make any

587
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 2>other flashes. I said, all right, perfect, so I'm gonna

588
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:12.119
<v Speaker 2>start answer and asking this thing questions. Now I'm sitting

589
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.799
<v Speaker 2>there and honestly, I don't know what to ask. So

590
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 2>I just say, flash if you know who I am?

591
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.920
<v Speaker 2>And it flashes really bright and did. I was like,

592
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, do it again? Bang it does it again.

593
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm just like, Okay, now I really don't

594
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:32.039
<v Speaker 2>know what to say. And I started asking. I wondered

595
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>if it was John Leir And I missed John, sitting

596
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.920
<v Speaker 2>with him in his house and talking and seeing all

597
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 2>the pictures he had of the moon and Mars and

598
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>all the nine to eleven stuff. That's like, some of

599
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 2>those would be some of my favorite memories from this life.

600
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And man, that's actually really kind of got me back

601
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 2>for a second there. Anyway, I kind of bringing up

602
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.160
<v Speaker 2>John kind of made me luth track of what I

603
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.359
<v Speaker 2>just said. You're all right, yeah, remind me where I was.

604
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>To be honest.

605
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, I remember about John. I asked the

606
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 2>UFO if it was John Lear. That's what I was getting.

607
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>You asked about John. But when you started talking about

608
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 1>like his pictures of the moon, he starts to being

609
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Mars and the nine to eleven I didn't realize he

610
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>was interested in the nine to eleven stuff.

611
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was a pilot, so he knew about airplanes.

612
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 2>We talked a lot about that. Yeah, you and I

613
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 2>will talk on the phone. I'll give you some goods

614
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>about that. So I'm seeing this craft fly by, and

615
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I wondered if it was John. My impression when John

616
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 2>died is he graduated this level of existence and he's

617
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>up with, you know, higher level beings now and he

618
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 2>probably has his own UFO. So I asked it, are

619
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you John Lear And it didn't say yes. I was like,

620
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I'll dang it, okay, And then.

621
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Before we keep going, I do have a couple of questions. Yeah,

622
00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>when like the c fives, like the five stuff, or

623
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:07.159
<v Speaker 1>people communicate with these things, how do you know that

624
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>they're communicating.

625
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:21.559
<v Speaker 2>If I've been to those events and I see people

626
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:26.719
<v Speaker 2>taking almost anything in communication, much like when we're younger

627
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 2>and we want to go into an abandoned house because

628
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>it's haunted. Any sound we hear as a ghost, right,

629
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>So if you get a bunch of people together to

630
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>summon a UFO to communicate, I've been part of these

631
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:48.159
<v Speaker 2>groups and I've seen the UFO do something and didn't

632
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 2>mean it was communicating to me, but it did to

633
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.599
<v Speaker 2>these other people. But it's really that's one really tricky

634
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 2>thing with UFO. So if a group of ten of

635
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>us were picked up by a UFO and drop back off,

636
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 2>none of it are none of us are going to

637
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>remember it the same. They're very weird craft in themselves.

638
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.480
<v Speaker 2>You would remember it differently based on our level of awareness, memories,

639
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>we had, things we did on it. They aren't as

640
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 2>simple necessarily as just a room that flies around like

641
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>a jet. They're not that. We'll touch more on what

642
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I think they are in a sec So with this craft,

643
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.400
<v Speaker 2>I was videotaping, asked questions. So finally I asked, I

644
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:35.519
<v Speaker 2>asked it, can you come back in a formation? And

645
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.880
<v Speaker 2>bang and said yes. I said, okay, can you come

646
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 2>back as a formation of two and bang? It said

647
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.800
<v Speaker 2>yes again, and then it turned the camera off and waited.

648
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.639
<v Speaker 2>About sixty seconds later, all of us could see it,

649
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 2>even without night vision, even with the full moon out.

650
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 2>It came back as a pair of craft flying in

651
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 2>tandem right by us, and I got video of that too.

652
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.800
<v Speaker 2>So they were definitely engaging with me that night to

653
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.719
<v Speaker 2>the point where I could make a request and they

654
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>would actually fulfill that request. No, I don't quite understand

655
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>why that is. I don't know if it's only when

656
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>there's a particular type of et because it doesn't happen

657
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>all the time. But the UFOs. So, I see a

658
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.719
<v Speaker 2>lot of people talk about Sedona, and I see a

659
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of people say there are portals in Sedona. I

660
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 2>heard them say that there's portals on the ground out here,

661
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>that there's a portal in the sky. The portal in

662
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 2>the sky I hear referenced as to UFOs flying into

663
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 2>this portal, like one portion of the sky that they

664
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 2>seem to go to and disappear there. That could simply

665
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.280
<v Speaker 2>be the shadow of the earth and anything reflecting light

666
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.840
<v Speaker 2>disappears at that point. So you can't necessarily say it's

667
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 2>a portal in the sky if you really look that

668
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 2>the people, well, I I'm pretty sure Bob Bazaar is

669
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>not a liar. Some people don't believe Bob Bazaar, and

670
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 2>that's okay from my personal experiences with John Layer for

671
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.960
<v Speaker 2>so long, and I've been in the room with Bob once. Actually, look,

672
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.000
<v Speaker 2>there's Bob's autograph right behind me. He wasn't a liar.

673
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:18.159
<v Speaker 2>So when Bob talked about the way the propulsion system

674
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 2>on these craft work. I do understand that to be correct,

675
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and I do see craft operating in the way he

676
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>described them. One thing he said in particular was the

677
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 2>way they naturally bend light and gravity around the craft

678
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 2>makes them invisible and when you're underneath them because light's

679
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.159
<v Speaker 2>bending around them. The one night we had a close

680
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>encounter out here on a UFO tour, That's what happened

681
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>when it came flying over our head at only like

682
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 2>a thousand feet and without night vision, there was nothing

683
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>in the sky above you. But if you pointed your

684
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.679
<v Speaker 2>laser up at it, the laser would hit an object

685
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 2>that would absorb it, kind of like the predator would

686
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>absorb light if you hit it when it was camouflaged.

687
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 2>That's what this thing would do, was bending the light

688
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.199
<v Speaker 2>around the craft when you hit it with a So

689
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>what Bob Bazaar said did holds true in the field,

690
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.639
<v Speaker 2>and if this is the case, the way the engine

691
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>on that craft works, I don't know if engine's a

692
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 2>right word, but the way it works is it manipulates gravity.

693
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>It can harness the gravity wave, and once it harnesses it,

694
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>it can use it to Basically it locates its destination

695
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 2>in whatever point in space time, it pulls that location

696
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 2>to it, and the craft goes back to the location

697
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>with the gravity. It isn't flying there, it travels in

698
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:42.199
<v Speaker 2>a different way, basically makes a portal. That's what we

699
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.239
<v Speaker 2>think of portals as, right, a doorway that takes you

700
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.119
<v Speaker 2>from one world to the other. Well, that's what a

701
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>UFO is. It has a portal on it or stargate

702
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:56.719
<v Speaker 2>on it. So I don't believe that there is some

703
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>portal or stargate on on the planet left behind by ets,

704
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>because they all have one on their craft. I mean,

705
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.199
<v Speaker 2>that's how the craft move. I don't see the reason

706
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.199
<v Speaker 2>they would just leave one buried in a mountain for

707
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.800
<v Speaker 2>us to find. So when I hear people say there

708
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.719
<v Speaker 2>are portals in Sodona, I'm all for it. Just show

709
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 2>me one, like I'm in as long as you know.

710
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 2>The stories are great. But I hear the same stories

711
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 2>being perpetuated and they've never had any truth to them,

712
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.840
<v Speaker 2>So I kind of try to just focus on ones

713
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 2>that seem to be actually a little more true. That

714
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.559
<v Speaker 2>makes sense because these topics are ridiculous. It's really hard

715
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 2>to tell people the other They're still dinosaurs walking around,

716
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>but don't worry, they disappear. I don't really know how

717
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.519
<v Speaker 2>to describe that to people other than I have videos

718
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:54.800
<v Speaker 2>of their footprints in dirt. You know, it's not fossilized

719
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.000
<v Speaker 2>in a rock. It was a footprint that was made

720
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:01.400
<v Speaker 2>while that day or that week. There's other things on

721
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 2>the ranch too. Bigfoots aren't just the only things there.

722
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>There's I tracked this creature for like five or six

723
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>months now. It's foot looks similar in size and shape

724
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.199
<v Speaker 2>to a bigfoot, but it only has three toes, and

725
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of shaped like a plums or something like.

726
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.800
<v Speaker 2>They're big and round. They're not like three skinny toes.

727
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 2>They're just three big, large toes. And I found them

728
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 2>on the ranch. I would find them probably within I

729
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>think it was an eight mile radius. For those months,

730
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.400
<v Speaker 2>i'd find this creature in those tracks. One of them.

731
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I actually got a three D lightar scan of it

732
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 2>because it must have been really damped that night. When

733
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:48.239
<v Speaker 2>this thing stepped, it smashed the soil up between its toes,

734
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and when I found the print, that's what was there,

735
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 2>the three giant toes with the soil pressed. I mean,

736
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.119
<v Speaker 2>it's obviously there were toes. I didn't count that guy

737
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>once in the daytime. There's an area where the painting

738
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.880
<v Speaker 2>of the white Bigfoot is and the mammoth, and I

739
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 2>was walking around there and I heard it on the ground.

740
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was napping or something. I

741
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.880
<v Speaker 2>heard it roll and that sounds weird, but you could

742
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 2>hear the branches break and you can feel it. I

743
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine an animal that weighs as much as these

744
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 2>things way, because you feel the ground when they are around.

745
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 2>And so I heard the branches, I heard this sing

746
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 2>roll around, and I kind of pause, turn my camera on,

747
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 2>by the way you turn your camera, and they tend

748
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.679
<v Speaker 2>to disappear, but turn my camera on. Started walking around

749
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to see what's happening, and found the three toed track again. There.

750
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Then there's a round of footprints, big round ones, you know.

751
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Linda said there's Bronosaurus on the ranch every now and then.

752
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.280
<v Speaker 2>The first round tracks I found, I mean that's what

753
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 2>they look like. The other ones I find are about

754
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>eight to ten inches in diameter, maybe up to three

755
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:06.280
<v Speaker 2>inches deep. Now I'm about one hundred and seventy five pounds.

756
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't really make an impression in the in the

757
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 2>ground I'm talking about here. If I do, it's just

758
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 2>a boot and mark. I'm not indenting the ground. When

759
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.719
<v Speaker 2>these things step, they're displacing the dirt. I mean it,

760
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.159
<v Speaker 2>it smashes it down and it mountains up around the

761
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 2>sides of the foot. I have no idea what makes

762
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>those round footprints. There is this weird creature out there.

763
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 2>We've only heard Tom Dongo one of his favorite stories

764
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.960
<v Speaker 2>as him and Linda Bradshaw are out there one night

765
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 2>and something roared like a lion, and he said, right

766
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 2>when it did it, they had seven dogs back then,

767
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>because Bradshaw's would keep any straight dogs that came through,

768
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 2>and so all seven dogs took up and ran off

769
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 2>in the direction of this roar. And he said to

770
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.639
<v Speaker 2>him and Linda, they were convinced they were going to

771
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>be picking up dog pieces, like pieces of dogs, and

772
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.719
<v Speaker 2>he said, but I quieted down, and all the dogs

773
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.119
<v Speaker 2>just came trotting back like everything was fine, like they

774
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.360
<v Speaker 2>knew the creature, like they were friendly with it. And

775
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I was out there one night. So the most difficult

776
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:14.679
<v Speaker 2>part of trying to study this is to have encounters.

777
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>You need to go out at night, you need to

778
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 2>bring almost nothing with you. If you have cameras and

779
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.239
<v Speaker 2>electronics and stuff, a lot less is going to happen.

780
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>So if you're only trying to get evidence, that's one

781
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>thing I'm not. I'm trying to understand it, and I'm

782
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 2>trying to see what evidence I can bring back from

783
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>those encounters. And so what I have to do is

784
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I need to go in there in the middle of

785
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the night alone without a flashlight, or I try to

786
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:43.960
<v Speaker 2>keep my phone on me, but I'll put it on

787
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>airplane melt or something. There's nights when I don't even

788
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 2>bring my phone, and man, really weird stuff happens. I

789
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 2>have some before and after videos we're editing together now,

790
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.360
<v Speaker 2>like I'll shoot video before I walk in, leave everything

791
00:44:55.360 --> 00:45:00.760
<v Speaker 2>in the car, come back out, shoot another greea. And

792
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 2>it was just maybe it was earlier this summer, was

793
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 2>this year. I was out there in the middle of

794
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.559
<v Speaker 2>the night and I heard it roar like a lion,

795
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:14.480
<v Speaker 2>and oh my gosh, I was. I just kind of stopped.

796
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.239
<v Speaker 2>And here's this is where the difficult part comes in

797
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and why I end up having to go alone, Because

798
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you want to leave when you hear that, your instinct,

799
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.679
<v Speaker 2>everything about you tells you to run back to your car,

800
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and I would bring friends and something like that happens.

801
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't let me stay, so I don't have the

802
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 2>chance to go in the direction of the creature. So

803
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:40.000
<v Speaker 2>they're pulling me back to the car. And so you know,

804
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.840
<v Speaker 2>that night it roared. My phone was in my pocket

805
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.559
<v Speaker 2>and I have my tripod, put my tripod out, put

806
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 2>my phone on it, turn the video camera on. It's nighttime,

807
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>so the video is really just showing the horizon. I

808
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.159
<v Speaker 2>was hoping I would be able to catch audio of

809
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:05.400
<v Speaker 2>this thing making noise again. So I'm sitting I'm standing there.

810
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:06.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I just set the camera up and kind

811
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of forgot about it. It wasn't important to me at

812
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.159
<v Speaker 2>that point. I'm trying to gather myself and I'm trying

813
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.679
<v Speaker 2>to narrate so that I have audio what's happening. And

814
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I heard it again. It didn't roar the second time.

815
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 2>It made this just the weirdest grunting, groaning kind of

816
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 2>ugh oddness, And fortunately my cell phone camera picked it up.

817
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.079
<v Speaker 2>This sing was still We're talking a one hundred yards away,

818
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>because there was this fenced off area between the branch

819
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and a corral and it's about one hundred yards or so,

820
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 2>and so this sing was on the other side of

821
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:48.199
<v Speaker 2>that to me, and we have it on audio. I

822
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 2>took it home and I put it on my computer

823
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 2>and turned the volume way up, and you can absolutely

824
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>hear that there's something there. The problem is you can't

825
00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 2>identify the sound other than something big that was making noise.

826
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's the creature that makes the

827
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.679
<v Speaker 2>round footprints. But the roar came from the place where

828
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I find the round footprints. And there's a set of

829
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 2>them that I first found over a year and a

830
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:21.000
<v Speaker 2>half ago, and those tracks are still there. They've been

831
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:26.000
<v Speaker 2>rained on, snowed on everything, but this thing was so heavy.

832
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:28.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, those the tracks are still there. I just

833
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:30.800
<v Speaker 2>brought somebody out there the other day to shango. I mean,

834
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 2>they're a lot less obvious now than when I first

835
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:37.559
<v Speaker 2>found them. But what happens is these creatures a weigh

836
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 2>so much and they push makes such a big hole

837
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 2>when they step. Then when it rains, all this silt

838
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>comes and fills in the hole. So you have these

839
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 2>areas where it's very very rocky, but when they step,

840
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.039
<v Speaker 2>they push the rocks down and it fills in with silt,

841
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>so you have these very clear tracks that you're easily

842
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.639
<v Speaker 2>able to identify, and you can you'll see the left

843
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 2>right transitions. There was another big creature out there who's

844
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:07.559
<v Speaker 2>it has rectangular feet and I couldn't see any toes,

845
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.400
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know if it wears some kind of

846
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 2>shoes or something. The weirdest thing about it is it

847
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:21.599
<v Speaker 2>plays hopscotch. Found this four or five times. It goes

848
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 2>up on the hillside and it does this footprint pattern

849
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:30.199
<v Speaker 2>of one two one two one two two one one.

850
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>It like it's playing some kind of game. It's not

851
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>a natural way to walk. There's no reason to walk

852
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 2>that way if you're hunting or anything. So I maybe

853
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 2>they just didn't have a good time when they're out there.

854
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Everything seems to point that they are metaphysical in nature.

855
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>These are not terrestrial things. We would be the dumb

856
00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 2>monkey in relation to a bigfoot. I'm promising that the

857
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Patterson Gimlin footage. You know, the people have asked me

858
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:11.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot about that. From field work. If you put

859
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:15.440
<v Speaker 2>a trail cam out, everything stops, The creatures don't show

860
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.639
<v Speaker 2>up anymore, nothing happens in that area. So I get

861
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.079
<v Speaker 2>a little frustrated when people go out and put trail

862
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:23.800
<v Speaker 2>cams in the area. But I don't interfere with other

863
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 2>people's stuff, so I leave them up and I just

864
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 2>move what I'm doing to another part of the area

865
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>with our trail cams. But these things can sense electronic devices.

866
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.679
<v Speaker 2>So when you see shows of bigfoot hunters going out

867
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.719
<v Speaker 2>into the woods with these giant infrared lights and infrared cameras,

868
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.519
<v Speaker 2>and they think, oh, well, people can't see that stuff,

869
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 2>so we'll be able to sneak up on a bigfoot,

870
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 2>you will not. I'm telling you I've been doing this,

871
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, a couple of days a week on an

872
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.199
<v Speaker 2>area where I know these creatures are on this property.

873
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Fed them they've been I mean footprints all the time,

874
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.800
<v Speaker 2>wood knocks and growls and whistles and grunts and yells.

875
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I've seen it in the day, seen it at night.

876
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Their eyes glow. I have a photograph of it. So

877
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm not it isn't a question to me whether they

878
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.400
<v Speaker 2>or not they're there. Now that I know where they are,

879
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I want to take time to see how to properly

880
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 2>interact with these things, because I've heard they can speak

881
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.800
<v Speaker 2>and write and do all sorts of things we can't.

882
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:26.599
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that did on the ranch was

883
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:30.159
<v Speaker 2>walk through a wall, and a monkey can't do that.

884
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.400
<v Speaker 2>It just it just can't. There there was an Old

885
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 2>West movie set on the ranch for a long time,

886
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.559
<v Speaker 2>and then it turned into like a Wild West show.

887
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 2>At one point they had a little building that was

888
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.480
<v Speaker 2>like a general store, and that little building was all

889
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.079
<v Speaker 2>boarded up, little building. I think it was only like,

890
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:48.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, fourteen feet by like twelve feet and you know,

891
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 2>not a big store, just a little thing. Well, one night, Linda,

892
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:56.880
<v Speaker 2>when Linda lived on the ranch, the bigfoot went into

893
00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 2>that building and found a jaw of fireball candies like

894
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 2>pepper ball candies, and it sat on the floor, opened

895
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 2>the jar, the lit off the jar, peeled the wrappers

896
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and ate a hundred of them, and then walked through

897
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the wall and out again. They had to open up.

898
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 2>They had to take the boarding off to get into

899
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 2>that place. To see the light the messet left. They

900
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.239
<v Speaker 2>certainly walked right through the walls to get in. And

901
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.719
<v Speaker 2>now and the nights I've been out there and we've

902
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:31.360
<v Speaker 2>heard it causing damage to structures very obviously, like the

903
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 2>friends I had with me thought asked me, is there

904
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:38.119
<v Speaker 2>a construction crew at midnight out there destroying the RAMT

905
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 2>What the heck is happening? I was, I don't know,

906
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.679
<v Speaker 2>something that's just angry out there. I don't know why

907
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 2>it's angry, but it is. And we go back the

908
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 2>next day and there's nothing at all ruined or destroyed.

909
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:51.360
<v Speaker 2>There's no sign of any damage. And that was driving

910
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:55.320
<v Speaker 2>me crazy until I heard the Hunters and the Sierras

911
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 2>and the Sierra sounds that are at the end of

912
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 2>a missing forum one hunted. So those guys obviously had

913
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 2>creatures there. They have the best audio we probably have

914
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 2>gotten of them. And they had nights where the creatures

915
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:14.199
<v Speaker 2>came into their property and it sounded like they were

916
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 2>destroying everything, and they come out and everything's fine, nothing's destroyed.

917
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 2>So they got video. Patterson and Gimlin got amazing video.

918
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 2>And the reason I think they got it Patterson Gimlin,

919
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.079
<v Speaker 2>they were hand cranking that camera that was not an

920
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.159
<v Speaker 2>electronic device. I think when they got that, we were

921
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:39.800
<v Speaker 2>at a point in our technology where it maybe worked

922
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.400
<v Speaker 2>for that kind of thing. That creature didn't realize it

923
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 2>was being video, but it didn't knew there were people there,

924
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>but didn't just kind of vanish or disappear because I

925
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't think it clicked that that was a video camera.

926
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Just thought it was something.

927
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

928
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 2>And when you have a digital video camera, they really

929
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.440
<v Speaker 2>get elusive. And I have friends that are scared. They're like,

930
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:02.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go camping out there now because

931
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 2>it's a big foot. I'm like, just turn your camera on.

932
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:06.559
<v Speaker 2>You literally have nothing to be afraid of. Like, if

933
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.440
<v Speaker 2>you think there's a big foot outside your turn your

934
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 2>video camera and then it'll go away, no problem. Because

935
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 2>it would come to my campsite all the time. And

936
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>the one that came through and I had two people

937
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>camping with me on my tag because had a big tent.

938
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.960
<v Speaker 2>One guy had his gun out like drawing. I'm like, dude, yeah,

939
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.400
<v Speaker 2>don't do that. He's like, oh, I wanted to go away.

940
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Speaker 2>I was like, get your camera and turn it on.

941
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>He got his camera and turn it on. Silence immediately,

942
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:33.760
<v Speaker 2>because it knew it was reaching out. I don't know

943
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:38.519
<v Speaker 2>why the creatures kind of made themselves aware to me

944
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:42.079
<v Speaker 2>out here. I wouldn't have done I would have done

945
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 2>no work with bigfoots unless they encouraged me too. I

946
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 2>came out here just to watch UFOs and see what

947
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I could, you know, gather from those, and so I

948
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.039
<v Speaker 2>have to collaborate a lot. And when I put out

949
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 2>my footage on YouTube, the Hoodoo Tall documentary, that was

950
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:08.199
<v Speaker 2>really the first time that people were somewhat supportive and

951
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:13.320
<v Speaker 2>that people would send me a message and actually make

952
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the trip out here and help me investigate. Like you

953
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:21.559
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine how bizarre that was for me to have

954
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.159
<v Speaker 2>people approach me in a positive way about this kind

955
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 2>of thing. And I hope to do more that I'm

956
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:31.440
<v Speaker 2>almost done with my dissertation for my PhD on this stuff,

957
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 2>and one of the things I touch on is we

958
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>need to be able to normalize this subject. I have

959
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:44.239
<v Speaker 2>three encounters that I remember. I don't like the word

960
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 2>abduction when it comes to those kind of encounters because

961
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:51.360
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't abducted. I mean, that was an experience, but

962
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't an a I wasn't stolen away in the

963
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 2>middle of the night, and it wasn't violent, it wasn't invasive.

964
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:01.199
<v Speaker 2>It was each one was quite an experierience. They're very jarring,

965
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.320
<v Speaker 2>They're not they don't feel natural, they feel really weird

966
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:08.480
<v Speaker 2>when it happens and there was nobody I could even

967
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 2>go to to talk to about it. And so I

968
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>bring that up because in my dissertation that one of

969
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the problems is people who have something that happen to

970
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:24.079
<v Speaker 2>them have to encounter a double trauma and they end

971
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:27.159
<v Speaker 2>up with no help. You know, they have this really

972
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.280
<v Speaker 2>wild encounter. It doesn't matter if it's a ghost, if

973
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.719
<v Speaker 2>it's a UFO or a bigfoot or whatever. They had

974
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 2>this traumatic experience. Then they go try to get some

975
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.400
<v Speaker 2>peace of mind about it, and they're ridiculed and put

976
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:45.440
<v Speaker 2>down and made to feel worse. And so it's not okay.

977
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.440
<v Speaker 2>For people who have had genuine encounters, who are of

978
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 2>genuine evidence, they don't want to bring it out because

979
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.119
<v Speaker 2>it's just going to result in attack. And I've been

980
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.639
<v Speaker 2>the subject to these attacks. You know, people have never met,

981
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>never know me. They make up the wildest, craziest stuff

982
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.960
<v Speaker 2>about me, and I just have to accept that's how

983
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.679
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be. You know. The one thing is

984
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:15.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like a destination. It's not about me.

985
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:17.920
<v Speaker 2>That's why I used a pseudonym. It was to show

986
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:22.480
<v Speaker 2>people these things are real, they're not because I needed

987
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.599
<v Speaker 2>to know for me what was happening to me. I

988
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.760
<v Speaker 2>needed to understand this stuff was real or I would

989
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 2>felt like I was going crazy. And I think there's

990
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:34.199
<v Speaker 2>other people out there in that boat. And you can't

991
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 2>imagine the therapy you get from going out and just

992
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:43.639
<v Speaker 2>watching UFOs fly around. Much more normal you feel. Maybe

993
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:47.199
<v Speaker 2>for the first time I never felt like I belonged.

994
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.320
<v Speaker 2>To know that there's more out there, Oh my gosh,

995
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe feel so much better. So maybe we don't need

996
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:57.000
<v Speaker 2>to belong here. Maybe this Earth experience isn't about belonging,

997
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:02.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's about using experience take us from who we

998
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:06.800
<v Speaker 2>were to what we wanted to become. And I had

999
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a chance to test that a bit. One amazing thing

1000
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Tom Dongo did for me, so he gave me the

1001
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:19.519
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to talk to Clifford Mahoodi before he passed away.

1002
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Clifford was a Zuni elder. He's been on ancient aliens.

1003
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:30.480
<v Speaker 2>He has loads of videos on YouTube of his lectures,

1004
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:35.599
<v Speaker 2>and he grew up in tribal life and he learned

1005
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:39.800
<v Speaker 2>from his grandfather's and when he got older, he went

1006
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.199
<v Speaker 2>out into what he told me like the white people world.

1007
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And I got an education as an engineer, But what

1008
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.840
<v Speaker 2>he did was he would even test things he learned

1009
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 2>about from his grandfathers. He would test him with science

1010
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 2>when he was getting his degree. Like one thing he

1011
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.199
<v Speaker 2>told me, He is like, well, when I was young,

1012
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 2>it hailed. It was hail coming down, and he asked

1013
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.320
<v Speaker 2>one of his elders what that was, and the elder

1014
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:08.800
<v Speaker 2>told him, oh, don't worry, those are seeds from the gods.

1015
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:12.960
<v Speaker 2>He's like, wow, okay. And later when he was in university,

1016
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.360
<v Speaker 2>he remembered that it hailed out where he lived, and

1017
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.880
<v Speaker 2>he collected son and he brought him in and cut

1018
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>each one open, and every single one of them had

1019
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.760
<v Speaker 2>a seed in the middle. Now don't know if the

1020
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 2>elder tribesman ever cut hall open, but they knew what

1021
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>was in it. So you know, I have a lot

1022
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:34.480
<v Speaker 2>of respect for that type of wisdom. I don't care

1023
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.679
<v Speaker 2>if you learned it from a book or from life itself.

1024
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Wisdom is good to have. And so Tom told me, hey,

1025
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to introduce you to Cliff. Cliff doesn't talk

1026
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to people. He's like, he's not going to say much,

1027
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:51.760
<v Speaker 2>but you know, we'll just see what happens. We'll go

1028
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:55.119
<v Speaker 2>to breakfast. So we go to breakfast and sitting there

1029
00:58:55.880 --> 00:59:00.599
<v Speaker 2>and Cliff isn't saying much. The first thing Cliff says

1030
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:05.199
<v Speaker 2>to me is just so you know, everyone you meet

1031
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:11.159
<v Speaker 2>is a total idiot. And I was just sitting there like, okay, uh,

1032
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 2>you just called me an idiot, like to my face,

1033
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Like you basically just told me you think I'm an idiot.

1034
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.079
<v Speaker 2>And I just took it in. I sat there and

1035
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:21.199
<v Speaker 2>thought about it. I was like, all right, that's a challenge.

1036
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Like he's not going to say anything if he thinks

1037
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm an idiot, so I gotta see if I can

1038
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:31.599
<v Speaker 2>communicate with him on his level. And so so I said, hey, Cliff, like,

1039
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.639
<v Speaker 2>can I tell you what life seems to be so far?

1040
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I want to figured out or anything and see what

1041
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:43.400
<v Speaker 2>you think. And he said yeah, sure, So I said,

1042
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 2>because I spent so much time time trying to fit

1043
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.159
<v Speaker 2>in before I realized maybe you're not supposed to. And

1044
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:54.159
<v Speaker 2>I told him life really does seem like it's a bridge.

1045
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:59.280
<v Speaker 2>It's a bridge from where we were before this life,

1046
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's a bridge to take us with the destination

1047
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.679
<v Speaker 2>we wanted to get to. And if life is a bridge,

1048
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.119
<v Speaker 2>don't build your home on it. I think it's a

1049
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:15.480
<v Speaker 2>good idea to build homes on bridges, and Cliff stopped eating,

1050
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:20.519
<v Speaker 2>looked at me and said yep, and started eating, and

1051
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 2>then unloaded. Two hours we spent, Cliff wouldn't even stop talking.

1052
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:27.719
<v Speaker 2>It was still great because I had all these petroglyph carvings,

1053
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I had found paintings, and I needed somebody who really

1054
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.199
<v Speaker 2>knew what they meant to tell me what they meant.

1055
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.400
<v Speaker 2>But that was also just kind of this verification to

1056
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.199
<v Speaker 2>me that somebody as wise as Cliff would also kind

1057
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of come to that conclusion that, you know, life is

1058
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:53.360
<v Speaker 2>this journey we're taking it. If you can retain the

1059
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.679
<v Speaker 2>ability to keep learning, I think it'd be fine. You

1060
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.840
<v Speaker 2>meet a lot of people who are also a lot

1061
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.599
<v Speaker 2>of people that run into in this field, especially are

1062
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:15.119
<v Speaker 2>self anointed experts. An expert is an authority figure. A

1063
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:21.960
<v Speaker 2>self appointed authority figure usually doesn't age well. So I

1064
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.000
<v Speaker 2>hope we can kind of get to this consensus where

1065
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:27.599
<v Speaker 2>people are stop arguing over who's an authority figure on

1066
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 2>a UFO like nobody obviously. I mean, I'm gonna get

1067
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.320
<v Speaker 2>a PhD in metaphysical science specializing in anomaloust research, and

1068
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I will be the first one to say, I'm not

1069
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 2>an expert in any of these things. How can you

1070
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:44.480
<v Speaker 2>be imagine know if I told you I was an

1071
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.480
<v Speaker 2>expert in cars, but I'd never owned a car, Like,

1072
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna be a UFO expert, you better own

1073
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.159
<v Speaker 2>one and tell me how it was made, built and

1074
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:53.880
<v Speaker 2>how you fix it. And I mean, that's what an

1075
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 2>expert would be able to do. But we get people

1076
01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:03.119
<v Speaker 2>that collect stories or collect evidence and then they say, well,

1077
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I think I should be considered an expert in this.

1078
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 2>And the problem I run into it that usually is

1079
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:14.079
<v Speaker 2>once they make that commitment, now they stop learning because

1080
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.239
<v Speaker 2>how could they learn anything else. They're an expert, the

1081
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:20.199
<v Speaker 2>authority figure there's nothing else for them to learn. That's

1082
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:27.559
<v Speaker 2>basically what they're saying. And it's hard to have conversations

1083
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:31.519
<v Speaker 2>that involve critical thinking and trying to determine what some

1084
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:35.000
<v Speaker 2>of these things actually are if you have a bunch

1085
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:40.199
<v Speaker 2>of people proclaiming that they're experts and whatever they think

1086
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.159
<v Speaker 2>or whatever they're making up is true. We can't continue

1087
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to making up stuff is fun, like I get it,

1088
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.639
<v Speaker 2>make stories and stuff, but at some point we need

1089
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.880
<v Speaker 2>to have some people who are taking this subject seriously.

1090
01:02:54.440 --> 01:03:00.000
<v Speaker 2>And you know, able to validate it in some fashion.

1091
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I've always said when someone claims they're an expert, especially

1092
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:10.519
<v Speaker 1>on topics like this, it's really hard to take them seriously,

1093
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:13.519
<v Speaker 1>at least from my stance, because I don't feel like

1094
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.559
<v Speaker 1>anyone's quote unquote an expert, especially if you have to

1095
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:17.679
<v Speaker 1>tell people you're an.

1096
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Expert exactly right. Yeah, if you're good at something, other

1097
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:24.119
<v Speaker 2>people will be saying it. You don't need to go

1098
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.480
<v Speaker 2>around virtue signaling I'm good at this. Well, if you're

1099
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:28.280
<v Speaker 2>good at it, everyone else will know that and they'll

1100
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:32.400
<v Speaker 2>say yeah, yeah. And so you know, we have this

1101
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:37.679
<v Speaker 2>this field, like this esoteric field that we get a

1102
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:43.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of self proclaimed experts because there is no genuine authority.

1103
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:47.360
<v Speaker 2>There's nobody to say that they're incorrect when they make

1104
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.920
<v Speaker 2>claims about things. But I'll give somebody a tip. You

1105
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:57.559
<v Speaker 2>got to really look into things that have been proven incorrect,

1106
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and when people use that as their base material, they're

1107
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:06.400
<v Speaker 2>usually gonna end up making things up. And the other

1108
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:11.159
<v Speaker 2>thing I've seen too people choose this field because there

1109
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:16.519
<v Speaker 2>is no actual authority. Figure A lot of us, every

1110
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:18.719
<v Speaker 2>one of us, from the time we're a kid till

1111
01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:22.440
<v Speaker 2>some point, wanted to think we were special or unique, right,

1112
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Like we see Lebron James and we're like, there's something

1113
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 2>about me and that's special too, right, and we can't

1114
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:31.000
<v Speaker 2>figure it out. And for the most part the rest,

1115
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:34.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're just all normal people. But I do

1116
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:40.000
<v Speaker 2>see people coming into this field to make themselves feel special. Now,

1117
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.480
<v Speaker 2>one instance of this I've heard about recently. You know,

1118
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't really listen to too much podcasts or watch

1119
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:53.920
<v Speaker 2>any videos recently because of neck deep in it. And

1120
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:59.639
<v Speaker 2>so this fella I've become friends with. I met him

1121
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:02.559
<v Speaker 2>at the RAM, him and his friend of his. We

1122
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 2>went collecting crystals together and one of the other things

1123
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I like to do. And they were telling me about

1124
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:11.400
<v Speaker 2>a bigfoot podcast or they're listening to and they're telling

1125
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:15.199
<v Speaker 2>me all this stuff and they're telling me this as

1126
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:20.159
<v Speaker 2>if it's factual, factual. And then they start telling me, oh, well,

1127
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:24.079
<v Speaker 2>there are two types of bigfoots. And I said, I've

1128
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:26.840
<v Speaker 2>also heard that from a reliable source, so scurious what

1129
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.239
<v Speaker 2>they had to say on the subject. Well, they said, well,

1130
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the group of bigfoots, they're smaller and reddish,

1131
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:38.119
<v Speaker 2>and they're cannibals and eight people and these bigfoots are

1132
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:42.599
<v Speaker 2>left over from when the KNOCKI came here and they

1133
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:47.800
<v Speaker 2>created these things to my gold, and they left them behind. Okay,

1134
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:58.119
<v Speaker 2>zacharais Sitchen did an absolutely amazing job trying to teach

1135
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:02.760
<v Speaker 2>himself how to translate Sumerian texts at his house. Right,

1136
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.199
<v Speaker 2>he did a really good job. But he got a

1137
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:08.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of it wrong, which is that you would expect that,

1138
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, he had no frame a reference. He was

1139
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:14.599
<v Speaker 2>doing his best to translate something that people didn't know

1140
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.480
<v Speaker 2>what it meant. He got a lot of it right,

1141
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:19.880
<v Speaker 2>he got a bunch of it wrong because you need

1142
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:21.840
<v Speaker 2>to know context, You need to know a lot of things.

1143
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:28.599
<v Speaker 2>There were no giants that came from space to mine gold.

1144
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Let me just logically, you should know that space is

1145
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:39.039
<v Speaker 2>full of gold. It's full of all the elements. It's

1146
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:45.719
<v Speaker 2>floating around out there. So why would an advanced level

1147
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:51.760
<v Speaker 2>species fly through a bunch of gold to land on

1148
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:54.400
<v Speaker 2>a planet to then try to dig the gold out

1149
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:56.360
<v Speaker 2>of the rock and the planet like it starts to

1150
01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:01.320
<v Speaker 2>just be so nonsensical, so that when people bring that

1151
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.280
<v Speaker 2>up as their base material, they immediately lose me because yeah,

1152
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:08.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not true. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but it's just

1153
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:11.360
<v Speaker 2>this isn't that's not what happened. And you can look,

1154
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.079
<v Speaker 2>you know who did a really good job as the

1155
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.320
<v Speaker 2>WI files on YouTube. They did a good job talking

1156
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:20.719
<v Speaker 2>about the Autonochi stuff, and you know, it's just mistranslations.

1157
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:24.679
<v Speaker 2>And nobody that's ever translated those texts has gotten the

1158
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:28.239
<v Speaker 2>same stuff zach Ryasichen did. They got what it really says.

1159
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.480
<v Speaker 2>And the one bummer about that is you give all

1160
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the credit to aliens, you're taking away the credit of

1161
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.199
<v Speaker 2>the people who did the things at that time and

1162
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:39.800
<v Speaker 2>created a civilization that wasn't there before. You know, like,

1163
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.480
<v Speaker 2>give humans some credit along the way for accomplishing some things.

1164
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that there even was an ET influence.

1165
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I think there's ET influence all around the planet. I

1166
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.719
<v Speaker 2>don't think there are aliens from another planet. I think

1167
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:56.840
<v Speaker 2>their souls just like us that have graduated the Earth

1168
01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:01.039
<v Speaker 2>level of existence. And when you do that, you're allowed

1169
01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:05.639
<v Speaker 2>to then help shape and mold lower level worlds and souls.

1170
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:10.000
<v Speaker 2>You know. So I'm into soccer a lot, and in

1171
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:12.960
<v Speaker 2>soccer that promotion and relegation in Euro up at the

1172
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.440
<v Speaker 2>end of the season, the top three teams move up

1173
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.960
<v Speaker 2>a league top three, the three teams on the bottom

1174
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:19.960
<v Speaker 2>get dropped out of the league, and that way you

1175
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.119
<v Speaker 2>keep the best teams at the top and the bad

1176
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:27.159
<v Speaker 2>team souls might be something like that, and Earth level

1177
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:29.720
<v Speaker 2>is not the top league. You know, you earn your

1178
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:32.039
<v Speaker 2>way out and earn your way down, and death is

1179
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:34.439
<v Speaker 2>an upgrade or a downgrade depending on how we act

1180
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:35.199
<v Speaker 2>and what we do.

1181
01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I can agree with that. That's kind of how I

1182
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:44.039
<v Speaker 1>feel about it too. Is I'm not saying that there's

1183
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:46.319
<v Speaker 1>no afterlife, but I think what we think of an

1184
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:52.640
<v Speaker 1>afterlife is a little bit different, right, pushed on everybody.

1185
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:59.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know religion too. I never hate on religion,

1186
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and when I got my master's degree, it made me

1187
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:05.119
<v Speaker 2>a reverend, So I mean, I'm a man of the cloth.

1188
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:11.520
<v Speaker 2>But a whatever avenue helps you find moral compass and

1189
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:13.560
<v Speaker 2>peace and teaches you to be a good person.

1190
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Do it.

1191
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:19.359
<v Speaker 2>There's no wrong way to do that. But the one

1192
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:22.840
<v Speaker 2>thing that it gets frustrating when people are really heavy

1193
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:28.439
<v Speaker 2>into religion is they missed the whole point. So you know,

1194
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:31.399
<v Speaker 2>I live here in Cottonwood. Now, not a lot of

1195
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.720
<v Speaker 2>guys with cottonwood that are six foot three with big mohawks,

1196
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:37.319
<v Speaker 2>you can imagine. So one day I hear a knock

1197
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:39.720
<v Speaker 2>on my door. I looked through the little window and

1198
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:42.560
<v Speaker 2>these three little old ladies out there. This would be interesting.

1199
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:46.479
<v Speaker 2>I open it up. They look on their faces when

1200
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:48.079
<v Speaker 2>as I'm opening door, I see the look on their

1201
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:50.880
<v Speaker 2>faces smiles right, and they're holding a piece of paper.

1202
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.840
<v Speaker 2>As soon as they see me, just all of it

1203
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.640
<v Speaker 2>went uh like. And they're holding this piece of paper

1204
01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh, well, we're going to give you

1205
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:03.479
<v Speaker 2>this paper about Jesus, but I'm like, give me that.

1206
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:07.359
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is the most like. You're the

1207
01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:11.319
<v Speaker 2>most judgmental people I've ever seen in my life. You're

1208
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:15.079
<v Speaker 2>spending your time going door to door to teach people

1209
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:18.840
<v Speaker 2>about Jesus, and you just judged me as much as

1210
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:21.279
<v Speaker 2>you possibly could because of my aircut, and weren't even

1211
01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:24.960
<v Speaker 2>going to give me the paper. So are you religious?

1212
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:27.600
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem like it. It seems like you're using

1213
01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:31.279
<v Speaker 2>that as an excuse to not take responsibility for how

1214
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.199
<v Speaker 2>you treat people and say, well God made me that

1215
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:37.560
<v Speaker 2>way or something like that. So I don't I'm not

1216
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:40.199
<v Speaker 2>against religion. I don't think the alien thing is gonna

1217
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:46.319
<v Speaker 2>make religion go away. I think it can help provide

1218
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:50.920
<v Speaker 2>that same, the same thing where religion provides for some people.

1219
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:56.720
<v Speaker 2>I do think this subject can provide that for those

1220
01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:59.279
<v Speaker 2>of us that couldn't get it from religion. You know,

1221
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.159
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't because as when I was growing up, you know,

1222
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:04.600
<v Speaker 2>we went to a Christian church, and do you know

1223
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:07.359
<v Speaker 2>what I remember most of that, how much everyone talked

1224
01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:09.960
<v Speaker 2>down to me the whole time, or when they go

1225
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to brunch afterward, how they treat the weight staff. I've

1226
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:17.359
<v Speaker 2>never seen anyone more condescending because they just feel like

1227
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:20.520
<v Speaker 2>they just spend an hour praising the Lord and you didn't,

1228
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:23.279
<v Speaker 2>so I'm better than you. Like, that's not religion. That's

1229
01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:26.479
<v Speaker 2>not what you're supposed to be lying about religion. Who

1230
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.600
<v Speaker 2>use it as a flex on people. So there's people

1231
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.840
<v Speaker 2>in the uaphone industry that do that, right, They use

1232
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:35.960
<v Speaker 2>UFOs as a flex to make them sound like they're

1233
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:38.239
<v Speaker 2>better than other people, just like they do with religion.

1234
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:41.119
<v Speaker 2>There's people in religion that use it for what it's for.

1235
01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:44.800
<v Speaker 2>They learn the lessons that are told about in a book,

1236
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and in our case, we're learning lessons about telepathic communicator

1237
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:56.640
<v Speaker 2>or we're learning them through telepathic communications from ets. Now,

1238
01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:58.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't say that I get those, but there have

1239
01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:01.319
<v Speaker 2>been plenty of people that proven to do that. I

1240
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:06.399
<v Speaker 2>mean Billy Meyer. I don't really care how much hatred

1241
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Billy Meyern gets like. I produced the most phenomenal photos

1242
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and videos of UFOs we'll ever see. And there is

1243
01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:18.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of his pictures that have been debunked and

1244
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:19.960
<v Speaker 2>John lee and I I went to John Leary and

1245
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:22.520
<v Speaker 2>asked him all about this stuff, and he knew all

1246
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:26.960
<v Speaker 2>about it. He said, well, what we started doing is

1247
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:32.560
<v Speaker 2>we found out we meaning the government the US, We

1248
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:36.760
<v Speaker 2>found out where Billy was getting his photos developed, and

1249
01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:38.199
<v Speaker 2>so what our government was doing. And he said, they

1250
01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:40.239
<v Speaker 2>spend millions of dollars trying to do bunk Billy. If

1251
01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:42.760
<v Speaker 2>he's a liar, they wouldn't have done that. He said,

1252
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:44.640
<v Speaker 2>they found out where's getting his photos developed, and they

1253
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:48.600
<v Speaker 2>were sneaking in fake photos they had taken in to

1254
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:52.600
<v Speaker 2>his real photos, and when he was getting home, Billy

1255
01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:55.039
<v Speaker 2>couldn't tell the difference, and then they're pointing out his

1256
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:57.079
<v Speaker 2>fake photos. He said, that was one of the tactics

1257
01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:01.399
<v Speaker 2>that we had used against Billy. The old documentaries about

1258
01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Billy's footage. They tried to replicate it. They made fake

1259
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:07.239
<v Speaker 2>models of the UFOs that looked the same and shot

1260
01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:10.640
<v Speaker 2>the same shot, and it's not the same. It's not

1261
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:14.479
<v Speaker 2>it's different. It's the one he filmed was a real craft.

1262
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:19.319
<v Speaker 2>And then you have one of the other most remarkable

1263
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 2>cases I've ever heard about, And as long as I've

1264
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.399
<v Speaker 2>been into the subject, I cannot believe it took me

1265
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:28.119
<v Speaker 2>so long to hear about her. Her name is Dorothy

1266
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Isazat and she lives gosh on the Canadian border I

1267
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:37.800
<v Speaker 2>think US Canadian border somewhere, and there's a documentary online

1268
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I think Amazon Prime called Capturing the Light. I happened

1269
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:48.560
<v Speaker 2>on it randomly. You will not believe the footage this

1270
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:53.960
<v Speaker 2>woman gets on film, real on like actual old cameras

1271
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:56.359
<v Speaker 2>that have reels of film, and she has I think

1272
01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:00.840
<v Speaker 2>it's twenty thousand or thirty thousand feet of footage, and

1273
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:05.880
<v Speaker 2>she has visitations from him. And if you know, if

1274
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to believe somebody about what the aliens want,

1275
01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to believe the woman who's providing the best

1276
01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:15.439
<v Speaker 2>footage of them, but not the person who's telling me

1277
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:19.640
<v Speaker 2>that Onaki we're digging for gold and you know. Oh

1278
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.439
<v Speaker 2>the other thing too, the guy who the podcaster who

1279
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:25.840
<v Speaker 2>said that there are two kind of big foots and

1280
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:28.399
<v Speaker 2>one of them were created and left by the on Naki.

1281
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 2>He also comes to this conclusion that there were like

1282
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:39.159
<v Speaker 2>twelve Bigfoot ambassadors and then oh, what do you know?

1283
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:41.800
<v Speaker 2>They made me an ambassador to I'm the ambassador for

1284
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:42.560
<v Speaker 2>all mankind.

1285
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:45.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like, really, I know what you're talking about. And

1286
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.079
<v Speaker 1>that guy's like.

1287
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:50.319
<v Speaker 2>You come to these conclusions really? And the bummer for

1288
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:54.720
<v Speaker 2>me was, I'm with two people that are believing this guy.

1289
01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 2>It's I don't argue with him. He's like, I believe

1290
01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that we want to leave. There's no Well, the bigfoots

1291
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:02.439
<v Speaker 2>are out here eating people. I'm sorry.

1292
01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the same guy that claims the they they

1293
01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:14.479
<v Speaker 1>support the president elect, that was the one that they wanted.

1294
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:17.039
<v Speaker 1>That's their that's their guys. What they told him, And

1295
01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:19.680
<v Speaker 1>like he's went on he's actually a psychiatrist.

1296
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, And he said that something he had a

1297
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:27.600
<v Speaker 2>big foot encounter once. And so John Lear taught me

1298
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.159
<v Speaker 2>this term u pho disease and it happens in bigfoot

1299
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:33.680
<v Speaker 2>worlds too, and u pho disease is somebody has an

1300
01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:36.479
<v Speaker 2>encounter where they see a UFO and they talk about

1301
01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:39.399
<v Speaker 2>it and they get a bunch of attention and nothing

1302
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:43.359
<v Speaker 2>else happens, but they really like that attention, so making

1303
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:45.159
<v Speaker 2>stuff up, Yeah, he started making it up.

1304
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:48.399
<v Speaker 1>That is exactly what this guy has done. And he

1305
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:51.079
<v Speaker 1>is supposedly a psychiatrist. He has a lot of followers

1306
01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:55.239
<v Speaker 1>out there. My thing is he needs a psychiatrist because

1307
01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:56.520
<v Speaker 1>there's something off with the dude.

1308
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:01.560
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, you know it. And and that's

1309
01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:06.039
<v Speaker 2>another thing too, you know, he uses his degree as

1310
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:09.680
<v Speaker 2>a psychiatrist to get people to trust him, and that's

1311
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:13.840
<v Speaker 2>really a selfish thing to do.

1312
01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.560
<v Speaker 1>It's borderline in a sense that he shouldn't be able

1313
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to keep practicing that if he's going on the way

1314
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:22.640
<v Speaker 1>he's doing to manipulate people, there's some ethical code that

1315
01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:24.199
<v Speaker 1>he's not following.

1316
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, you know. And I see that too with other

1317
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:30.119
<v Speaker 2>things I'll tell you right now. Especially around Sedona, I

1318
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:33.479
<v Speaker 2>meet people all the time that tell me they have superpowers.

1319
01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Loads of times I've yet to see anyone be able

1320
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:42.600
<v Speaker 2>to demonstrate these superpowers, but I'm open to it. Every

1321
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:44.960
<v Speaker 2>every time you got one, let me see it.

1322
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:47.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm still waiting for the guy that told why that

1323
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:49.760
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't get picked up on cameras to go invisible

1324
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:51.119
<v Speaker 1>and show me that he wouldn't visible.

1325
01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:55.359
<v Speaker 2>You're just like an empty cameras. You know, I'm in

1326
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the shop, you just can't see me.

1327
01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Yet I was expecting that I didn't even get that much.

1328
01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:01.960
<v Speaker 2>So well, like, there's a couple of people I've met

1329
01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:05.640
<v Speaker 2>out here that claim that they can heal you and

1330
01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:10.359
<v Speaker 2>they can restructure your DNA, and that there's these motherships

1331
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:13.479
<v Speaker 2>around all the time and they'll bring you up to them.

1332
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:20.840
<v Speaker 2>And the reason it gets me upset is they have

1333
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:24.880
<v Speaker 2>ads out where they cater this to people with cancer.

1334
01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Are people really struggling with things in life and I'm sorry,

1335
01:17:32.079 --> 01:17:36.720
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to cure their cancer. Don't take a

1336
01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:40.520
<v Speaker 2>don't fill these people with that false narrative and false hope.

1337
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Let them get the help, hey, let them spend their

1338
01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:47.359
<v Speaker 2>money on treatment. Don't try to scam money from people

1339
01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:52.880
<v Speaker 2>that are can't, don't have disposable income. You know, there

1340
01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:55.039
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of wealthy people that want to get

1341
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:57.720
<v Speaker 2>hypnotized and to learn about. Don't prey on people that

1342
01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:00.680
<v Speaker 2>need every cent they have to get cancer treatment and

1343
01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:01.319
<v Speaker 2>things like that.

1344
01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:07.000
<v Speaker 1>So I get it by a lot of people that

1345
01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:11.920
<v Speaker 1>are quote unquote healers, and I've interviewed some and I

1346
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:17.640
<v Speaker 1>think genuine like genuinely most of them are decent people.

1347
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:19.439
<v Speaker 1>But you do have the ones out there that are

1348
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to grift on people. But then you also have

1349
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:27.239
<v Speaker 1>some that I honestly believe they believe what they're saying.

1350
01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:29.520
<v Speaker 1>They believe they can hill these people.

1351
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but.

1352
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they can.

1353
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:44.000
<v Speaker 2>And I've seen that also with people changing the story

1354
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:48.359
<v Speaker 2>of their encounter and they they tell so many lies.

1355
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:51.079
<v Speaker 2>They truly believe the why they've told you because I

1356
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:54.880
<v Speaker 2>was there when the encounter happened, or they told me

1357
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:58.880
<v Speaker 2>about immediately afterwards. I'll give you a good example. At

1358
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the Bradshaw Ranch. There's this other guy who was out

1359
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:02.600
<v Speaker 2>there and he told me, oh, last night, we're out

1360
01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:05.119
<v Speaker 2>there and it was weird. There was like a woman

1361
01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:08.039
<v Speaker 2>standing like off the side of the road kind of

1362
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:10.399
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, yeah, we walked over there and like

1363
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:12.479
<v Speaker 2>shining a flashlight on real quick and then put it down,

1364
01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:14.279
<v Speaker 2>and the guy with me like shine his laser ad

1365
01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:15.800
<v Speaker 2>her and then put it down and she didn't even

1366
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.880
<v Speaker 2>open her eyes. She was just standing there and then

1367
01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:20.359
<v Speaker 2>we kind of left. She didn't say anything to us

1368
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:24.560
<v Speaker 2>or anything. It was like interesting. And about a month

1369
01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:26.039
<v Speaker 2>or two later, I met a woman who goes out

1370
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:29.720
<v Speaker 2>there at night to meditate that it was hurt. Well,

1371
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:32.600
<v Speaker 2>next time I hear this guy telling the story he

1372
01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:36.239
<v Speaker 2>saw the ghost of Linda Bradshaw at the ranch. No,

1373
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:40.399
<v Speaker 2>you didn't. You saw a woman meditating, like nothing about

1374
01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:42.600
<v Speaker 2>the encounter suggested it was a ghost to begin with.

1375
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.600
<v Speaker 2>You saw a physical person standing somewhere and you harassed her.

1376
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:52.640
<v Speaker 2>So you and I'm trying to avoid becoming that the

1377
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to stay focused on talking about the things

1378
01:19:55.960 --> 01:20:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I can show to taking it as a stual researcher,

1379
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:04.920
<v Speaker 2>not a tour guide or an experiencer that calls himself

1380
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a researcher. Oh, I had a really good opportunity when

1381
01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I first moved out here. You know, the hardest part

1382
01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:11.000
<v Speaker 2>was going to be finding a place to live and

1383
01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:14.119
<v Speaker 2>a job that could sustain me. And the first thing

1384
01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:15.760
<v Speaker 2>I did was I took a job as a ranch

1385
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:19.479
<v Speaker 2>hand that gave me free rent and a trailer. And

1386
01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:21.840
<v Speaker 2>then I got a job in Jerome, the town on

1387
01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:24.479
<v Speaker 2>the hillside here, the old mining town, and I got

1388
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:27.399
<v Speaker 2>a job working as a tour guide for a ghost

1389
01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:28.119
<v Speaker 2>tour company.

1390
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:32.199
<v Speaker 1>There was no place in Jerome that I've been to Zonne.

1391
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:35.039
<v Speaker 1>I've been to Jerome and there was a restaurant there

1392
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:37.239
<v Speaker 1>that they claim was like the most haunted place in

1393
01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Jerome or whatever that I hate at, Like this.

1394
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Was the asylum.

1395
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was like fifteen or longer years ago.

1396
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:50.399
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that restaurant is on the It's in the

1397
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Jerome Grand Hotel, which was the third Hospital. So when

1398
01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I took this job, you know, I took a ghost

1399
01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:59.960
<v Speaker 2>tour in New Orleans and a guy walked us around town,

1400
01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:02.520
<v Speaker 2>pointed to old buildings, told us some history of them,

1401
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:05.359
<v Speaker 2>scary things had happened. That was it. I thought it

1402
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:06.840
<v Speaker 2>would be a cool job, you know. I was like,

1403
01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:10.079
<v Speaker 2>oh cool, learn the history of Jerome, spend my days outside.

1404
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:13.960
<v Speaker 2>This seems like fun. Well it wasn't that. I mean,

1405
01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I did have to memorize like thirty pages of the

1406
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:18.960
<v Speaker 2>town in history, which is good. I liked learning. But

1407
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:22.720
<v Speaker 2>these tours, everyone gets a spirit box or an EMF detector,

1408
01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and the first time the first tour went on just

1409
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to train, my mind was blown away. I told the

1410
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:32.760
<v Speaker 2>tour guy I was like, this has been like an

1411
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:36.600
<v Speaker 2>incredibly active day, right, She's like, no, it's been really slow.

1412
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:39.319
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what I mean. We had more than

1413
01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:41.920
<v Speaker 2>a season of ghost Hunters in a two hour tour.

1414
01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:46.600
<v Speaker 2>And I did that job for six months, like four

1415
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:49.560
<v Speaker 2>or five days a week, five tours a day. You know.

1416
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I never gave a tour without ghosts on. It didn't

1417
01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:58.279
<v Speaker 2>matter if it was eleven am, nine pm, never matter.

1418
01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:00.439
<v Speaker 2>By like the second week, they knew my name. We'd

1419
01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:02.439
<v Speaker 2>turn the spear boxes on and they would just say

1420
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:04.479
<v Speaker 2>my name and like, I guess, I guess we're starting now.

1421
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:07.640
<v Speaker 2>And I could ask them, like what color is my shirt?

1422
01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:10.920
<v Speaker 2>They'll just say green. Or the only time they answered

1423
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.319
<v Speaker 2>weird with that was I was wearing a red shirt

1424
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and I said, well, color is my shirt? And they

1425
01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:17.720
<v Speaker 2>said blood And I was like, Ah, that's kind of creepy,

1426
01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:19.720
<v Speaker 2>but okay. The people on the tour got to kick

1427
01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:23.960
<v Speaker 2>out of it. There's two types of ghosts up there.

1428
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:26.399
<v Speaker 2>There's ones that are caught in a loop of when

1429
01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:29.600
<v Speaker 2>they died and they haven't escaped to that moment. We

1430
01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:32.239
<v Speaker 2>would go to the location where the first hospital was

1431
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>in Drome and that burned to the ground, and all

1432
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the patients and doctors and everything in it. Those people there,

1433
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:40.520
<v Speaker 2>there were conscious beings, but there were also several people

1434
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:43.119
<v Speaker 2>caught in that loop. They ask you for help, they

1435
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:45.600
<v Speaker 2>ask you for water for the fire, every time you go.

1436
01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:50.279
<v Speaker 2>It's sad. It's quite sad to see that. And then

1437
01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:55.760
<v Speaker 2>you would get completely coherent souls that were more than

1438
01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:59.359
<v Speaker 2>willing to give details of their life as long as

1439
01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:01.319
<v Speaker 2>you didn't bring up the they're dead. They didn't seem

1440
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:04.640
<v Speaker 2>to know that, and when you do, they stop. So

1441
01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:07.880
<v Speaker 2>if you talk to them like they're alive, you get

1442
01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:12.039
<v Speaker 2>these I mean sometimes minutes long conversations and you can

1443
01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:14.840
<v Speaker 2>absolutely tell if it's a man, a woman or a

1444
01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:19.640
<v Speaker 2>child's voice. I mean clearly and distinctly in the languages

1445
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I heard. Because Rome's a mining town, people came all

1446
01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:24.640
<v Speaker 2>over the world there. It's like thirty some countries. People

1447
01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:31.760
<v Speaker 2>came from English obviously, lots French, German, Chinese, a lot

1448
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:38.399
<v Speaker 2>of Spanish. What else did we hear? Russian? And the

1449
01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:42.800
<v Speaker 2>weirdest one was a lady from Bosnia. I can't remember

1450
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the language she spoke. I don't know if it's Bosnian,

1451
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.479
<v Speaker 2>but she was getting clear, audible replies in her native

1452
01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:52.319
<v Speaker 2>language too, And then so at that location, then there

1453
01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:55.399
<v Speaker 2>was another location was an apartment I was closed to

1454
01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:57.119
<v Speaker 2>the public, but we have the key, and a double

1455
01:23:57.159 --> 01:24:00.920
<v Speaker 2>homicide took place in there. And the spirits in there,

1456
01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>they really I developed a bond with them. I guess

1457
01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:10.439
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't even think you could do. They started

1458
01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.319
<v Speaker 2>asking me to bring an alcohol. Over the months talking

1459
01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:15.479
<v Speaker 2>to these ghosts in there, I found out they were

1460
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.079
<v Speaker 2>quite the partiers. If you're own, that was what they're

1461
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:20.760
<v Speaker 2>known for. And so when they would ask me if

1462
01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:24.279
<v Speaker 2>it was a specific type, every time vodka, not alcohol,

1463
01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:27.239
<v Speaker 2>but vodka, and I'd go get a little bottle and

1464
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:29.359
<v Speaker 2>I'd bring it and I'd stash it in the bathroom.

1465
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Seven times that happened, and all seven times it was

1466
01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:36.239
<v Speaker 2>a different type of alcohol. And every time I'd do

1467
01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:39.239
<v Speaker 2>it the next tour I bring in for the next

1468
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:42.680
<v Speaker 2>day or so. They were the most active I could

1469
01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:46.199
<v Speaker 2>ever imagine in that room. I'd always use a rempod.

1470
01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:49.560
<v Speaker 2>We'll put the rampod on the couch and then we'd

1471
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:54.960
<v Speaker 2>have our spear boxes and UMF detectors. So the bathroom

1472
01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:58.439
<v Speaker 2>is where the woman was killed, Ruth. So the bathroom

1473
01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:02.239
<v Speaker 2>is kind of this weird feeling. So I'd come in

1474
01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>after I just left the alcohol, sit everyone down, turn

1475
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:09.640
<v Speaker 2>the rempod on, and the rampod won't stop flashing lights

1476
01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>like usually they'll reply here, Nope, just constant activity on it.

1477
01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:15.159
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, they're pretty happy. People like make

1478
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:18.640
<v Speaker 2>it do something, and I'm like, so I would ask them, okay,

1479
01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:22.279
<v Speaker 2>can you open the bathroom door? And these things would

1480
01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:25.640
<v Speaker 2>open the bathroom door and then people would lose it

1481
01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, okay, can you close it now? And

1482
01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>then they would close the door. That wasn't even the

1483
01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:33.560
<v Speaker 2>weirdest part. People would start freaking out and tell me

1484
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm faking it somehow, which I can understand. I would

1485
01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:38.000
<v Speaker 2>have thought it was fake if I was on the tour.

1486
01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:41.159
<v Speaker 2>And then I would tell them, you go try to

1487
01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>open that bathroom door, and like, what are you talking about?

1488
01:25:44.119 --> 01:25:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Go try? So the problem was the floor is really

1489
01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:51.399
<v Speaker 2>swollen in that old apartment, and when you try to

1490
01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:54.119
<v Speaker 2>open that door, it hits the floor after about four

1491
01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:56.960
<v Speaker 2>inches and you have to really pick up on the

1492
01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.560
<v Speaker 2>door really hard to actually open it. Oaths do not.

1493
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:04.239
<v Speaker 2>They could swing it freely open and closed. When they

1494
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:06.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't want us there, they'd open the front door, tell

1495
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:10.359
<v Speaker 2>you to leave, like it's so real. So if ghosts

1496
01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>are something people want to experience, go to Jerome. And

1497
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:16.359
<v Speaker 2>if you don't take a ghost or just walk around

1498
01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>with a spear box, I mean yet, the tours are fun,

1499
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:21.560
<v Speaker 2>you get some history and go to places other people can't.

1500
01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:30.319
<v Speaker 2>But the ghosts there are there is easy to see

1501
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:33.439
<v Speaker 2>as the UFOs in the sky and around Sedona. It's

1502
01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:38.439
<v Speaker 2>that common. It was every day i'd go into the cemetery.

1503
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Cemetery is not as active as the other places. I

1504
01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:46.199
<v Speaker 2>did kind of conclude that the ghosts were attached to

1505
01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:50.800
<v Speaker 2>where they died, not necessarily where they're buried. But we'd

1506
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:54.479
<v Speaker 2>have really cool interactions in the cemetery. One of them

1507
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:57.399
<v Speaker 2>was we're in there at night and we're walking on

1508
01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:00.279
<v Speaker 2>the dirt path kind of leaving. Three of us are there,

1509
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:02.279
<v Speaker 2>and we all had a spear box, and right at

1510
01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:06.119
<v Speaker 2>the same point a man's voice said Frank on each

1511
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:09.439
<v Speaker 2>of our boxes slightly after the other, not at the

1512
01:27:09.439 --> 01:27:12.279
<v Speaker 2>same time, but Frank Frank, Frank. We're like, WHOA. So

1513
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:14.319
<v Speaker 2>we stopped and I said, okay, let's look around. I

1514
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.159
<v Speaker 2>never heard the name Frank out here. We looked around

1515
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:18.800
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't see anything. Next day, I was in

1516
01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the cemetery and when I got to that spot, I

1517
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:25.399
<v Speaker 2>remembered Frank's voice, and in the daytime, there's a bush there.

1518
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I started moving the bush and there's

1519
01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>a headstone covered in the bush and the name on

1520
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.560
<v Speaker 2>it is Frank. He was upset. Nobody ever stopped to

1521
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:39.079
<v Speaker 2>talk to him. As we went to the cemetery. He's

1522
01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>just waving his flag, like, hey man, I'm here too,

1523
01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>you know. So the the ghosts are interactive some of them.

1524
01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Some of them just are in the state of shock

1525
01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and they don't know what to do, which makes you

1526
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:58.439
<v Speaker 2>think too, they died in that fire over one hundred

1527
01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:02.199
<v Speaker 2>years ago, and to them they're still in that moment.

1528
01:28:03.479 --> 01:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>To us, one hundred years has passed. So the time

1529
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>deprivation that must occur when we're out of body. You

1530
01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:14.760
<v Speaker 2>got to think that maybe time doesn't exist in the

1531
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:19.000
<v Speaker 2>same way we make it exist on our lives, you know,

1532
01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:24.039
<v Speaker 2>that whole thing, like what one second is a thousand

1533
01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>years on earth or something. There's a biblical translation that

1534
01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:31.560
<v Speaker 2>equates one day equals a thousand years or something. Yeah,

1535
01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I thought it seemed weird that a soul could be

1536
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:39.399
<v Speaker 2>trapped in the same few seconds for over one hundred years.

1537
01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:42.880
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of weird. Have you had any ghost encounters orself.

1538
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>We can talk about that hair off air.

1539
01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:51.159
<v Speaker 2>That could be a whole another hour at some point.

1540
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I've got episodes out there that talk about some

1541
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of the weird things that have went on where I live.

1542
01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, I have to look some more for sure.

1543
01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:04.399
<v Speaker 2>And if you ever come back out this way, man,

1544
01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you got to let me know or plan a trip.

1545
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:07.319
<v Speaker 2>I'll take you out to the ranch and we'll go.

1546
01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I would love to bring the family out to Sedona.

1547
01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a completely different world.

1548
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Oh you know it'd be fun too,

1549
01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:24.439
<v Speaker 2>is if we did like a like a ghost episode

1550
01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in Jerome and we just got like some spearboxes and

1551
01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>like we could do like a little thing we do

1552
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>it live or something.

1553
01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Here's what's funny about the town of Jerome and ghost experience.

1554
01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:41.199
<v Speaker 1>There is a town not too far from me called Jerome,

1555
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:44.479
<v Speaker 1>and I had a weird experience there.

1556
01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Really.

1557
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:50.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think it's funny that they both have

1558
01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the same names and they've had weird experiences. I don't know.

1559
01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of the things I kind of concluded about

1560
01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:04.039
<v Speaker 2>out here was the copper mind the town is built around.

1561
01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:08.760
<v Speaker 2>They pulled a billion with a B dollars in copper

1562
01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:11.439
<v Speaker 2>out of that mountain, and there's still more than that

1563
01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:17.199
<v Speaker 2>in there, and copper's incredibly conductive, so I kind of

1564
01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:20.439
<v Speaker 2>feel like the presence of all that copper is maybe

1565
01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:26.199
<v Speaker 2>what's giving the ghosts up there the ability to be

1566
01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>so active. There's an energy source right next to them

1567
01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that maybe feeds that activity, right, It just seems like

1568
01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:37.319
<v Speaker 2>it could be, you know, No.

1569
01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:41.399
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a possibility. They say water is also a conduit,

1570
01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot of things that happen around water

1571
01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>sources too, and I'm pretty sure this town of Jerome

1572
01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:49.159
<v Speaker 1>around here is right next to like a water source, so.

1573
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Especially with like underground caves and water go hand in

1574
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>hand almost.

1575
01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, we've been going on now for about an

1576
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:01.199
<v Speaker 1>hour and a half. Figure where you wrap this one up.

1577
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>It's been a great conversation. But before we do, I'd

1578
01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:06.319
<v Speaker 1>like for you to let everyone know where they can

1579
01:31:07.279 --> 01:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>find your video out.

1580
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is it okay if I give my Instagram too?

1581
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>That's where I post usually occurrent whatever you want to

1582
01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>talk about. Cool man appreciate it. Uh yeah. So if

1583
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:24.119
<v Speaker 2>any of this kind of touched you or got to

1584
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:26.279
<v Speaker 2>you in a way that really kind of meant something

1585
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:29.079
<v Speaker 2>like this subjected to me and you feel like you're

1586
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>tired of reading about it or seeing it on TV,

1587
01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know it's time to see it for yourself.

1588
01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:39.520
<v Speaker 2>All you really need to do is schedule yourself a

1589
01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:42.319
<v Speaker 2>trip to the area near Sedona. And you know Sedona

1590
01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:44.439
<v Speaker 2>can be an expensive place to stay, but Cottonwood is

1591
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:47.079
<v Speaker 2>right nearby, That's where I live, and you know it's

1592
01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:50.159
<v Speaker 2>completely reasonable, and you're still going to see the UFOs

1593
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:52.319
<v Speaker 2>and you could still go on the night Vision tour

1594
01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:55.760
<v Speaker 2>in town. So really think about it for yourself. If

1595
01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>this subject really interests you, and if you want to

1596
01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:03.239
<v Speaker 2>see the footage have already put out, you can just

1597
01:32:03.359 --> 01:32:08.159
<v Speaker 2>search Hohodoo Tall on YouTube and for current things happening.

1598
01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:11.439
<v Speaker 2>I usually post them to my Instagram and to stories,

1599
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:17.479
<v Speaker 2>which is at a baby raven. A baby raven is

1600
01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:21.039
<v Speaker 2>a logo I came up with for those of us

1601
01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:25.199
<v Speaker 2>that are trying to use our experiences in life to

1602
01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:28.359
<v Speaker 2>become wise at some point, like a raven is ravens

1603
01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>are seen as really wise many cultures and scientists actually

1604
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:36.880
<v Speaker 2>have shown that ravens are the third self aware thing

1605
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:40.600
<v Speaker 2>on the planet, aside from humans and apes. And I

1606
01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.319
<v Speaker 2>don't think I'm wise, but hopefully I can learn from

1607
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>my experiences and become wise like a raven. So it

1608
01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:51.039
<v Speaker 2>felt like that made us baby ravens. And yeah, on there,

1609
01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, I post up projects, I'm working on, ways

1610
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:58.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get new interactions. If you have some

1611
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:01.640
<v Speaker 2>ideas that you think are not evasive to the creatures,

1612
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you send me a message on there, let me know

1613
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:06.319
<v Speaker 2>if you're going out to the ranch at some point.

1614
01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:08.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can always let me know them out

1615
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>there all the time. So I like collaborating with people

1616
01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:16.399
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully we can understand this stuff a little more

1617
01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:17.199
<v Speaker 2>if we keep trying.

1618
01:33:18.279 --> 01:33:20.199
<v Speaker 1>You've got any links if you just want to send

1619
01:33:20.199 --> 01:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>them over to me a message and I'll just copy

1620
01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:23.439
<v Speaker 1>them and put them into my show notes for him

1621
01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>when listening and just click on it and find your stuff.

1622
01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>For sure, we can definitely do that.

1623
01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's been a pleasure talking with you.

1624
01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Likewise, Brandon, really appreciate the opportunity. And if more weird

1625
01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:38.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff happens, no problem. Coming back on and update you.

1626
01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:41.479
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a plan. Thank you very much.

1627
01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:44.479
<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you have a good one you too.

1628
01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>For anyone out there listening, we'll check you on the

1629
01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:51.079
<v Speaker 1>next one.

1630
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:54.720
<v Speaker 3>If you would like to be a guest on Tinfoil Tels,

1631
01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:57.359
<v Speaker 3>remember to send an email the Tenfoil Tells podcast at

1632
01:33:57.399 --> 01:33:59.880
<v Speaker 3>gmail dot com, or you can also go to tinfoil

1633
01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:02.079
<v Speaker 3>dot com and go to the contact section.

1634
01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Just make sure to reach out and get a hold

1635
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:05.319
<v Speaker 1>of me and we will get something schedule for a

1636
01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>future episode. You can also find ten Foil Tales on

1637
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:11.760
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1638
01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:14.279
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1639
01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:16.039
<v Speaker 1>the show around. Word of mouth is the best way

1640
01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:19.119
<v Speaker 1>to help the show grow. And just remember truth comes

1641
01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:21.159
<v Speaker 1>at cost. Are you willing to pay the price.