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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a Lady with mo Kelly with live on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 2>and the iHeartRadio app. And joining us at this time

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<v Speaker 2>as she customarily does, is Jackie Ray. Let's go beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the box score, Jackie Ray.

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<v Speaker 3>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with some professional football or adjacent to that.

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<v Speaker 2>John Elway Hall of Famer, ye football legend news broke

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<v Speaker 2>today that he will not be charged in the golf

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<v Speaker 2>cart incident that killed his close friend and superagent Jeff Spurbeck.

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<v Speaker 2>For those who don't know, it was being investigated investigated

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<v Speaker 2>by Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco, who's also a candidate

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<v Speaker 2>for governor, and he confirmed that his department's investigation into

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<v Speaker 2>the golf cart incident that led to Spurbek's death found

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<v Speaker 2>nothing criminal. And I don't think I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with that because I'm not part of the investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always wonder when you have very powerful, influential people,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are all sorts of incidences where you can

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<v Speaker 2>go to the death of Natalie Wood and the boating accident, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you just always naturally wonder when this story broke prior

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<v Speaker 2>to them finding nothing of the fairase here, What did

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<v Speaker 2>you think about the story?

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm from Colorado and so very familiar with John Elway.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad used to be his insurance agent for a time,

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<v Speaker 4>so yeah, he was an insurance agent for John Elway

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<v Speaker 4>and Steve School. So yeah, very familiar with him. And

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<v Speaker 4>I just assumed, because of the knowledge that I have

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<v Speaker 4>about him from just outside of football, I assumed that

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<v Speaker 4>it would at least be some negligence because he was

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<v Speaker 4>probably drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>You say probably drinking because we know as a fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they were leaving a party, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And we know they both drink.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and John Elway is no stranger to having a

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<v Speaker 4>very fond relationship with alcohol. So I just assumed at minimum,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that this was something you know, try

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<v Speaker 4>horse plays, probably just goofing around, you know. I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>think it would be anything nefarious, but I definitely thought

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<v Speaker 4>negligence would be at least, you know, some sort of

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<v Speaker 4>charge in that and what that would have meant for him.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't I don't think it would have met any

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<v Speaker 4>jail time or anything like that, but definitely would have

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<v Speaker 4>found him guilty of some sort of negligence.

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<v Speaker 2>For people who don't know, Spurbeck was not riding in

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<v Speaker 2>the golf cart. He was standing on the back with

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<v Speaker 2>one other person who was also standing. John Oway's wife

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<v Speaker 2>was in the golf seat next to him. Now, it's

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<v Speaker 2>from what I understand, there were five people on this cart,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't think is bad for five.

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<v Speaker 4>Also tells you that everybody was probably drinking because it

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<v Speaker 4>was only made for two people.

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<v Speaker 3>That goes back to negligence as well, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So at some point it's like, what responsibility do

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<v Speaker 4>you have when you have this golf cart that's only

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<v Speaker 4>built for two people? Do you say, And this is

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<v Speaker 4>a question that I would ask people, even when you

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<v Speaker 4>are completely sober, when all your friends are walking back

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<v Speaker 4>from something, is this something that you don't say, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I just jump off like and then if something happened,

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<v Speaker 4>are you negligent in that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, I don't think it was nefarious in any way,

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<v Speaker 4>but definitely negligent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there was any moment where you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>something where you're consciously putting your friend in danger. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he may have just slipped off the back and fell

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<v Speaker 4>His head, and why the old man was standing instead

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<v Speaker 4>of sitting as crazy to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you gonna have his wife's stand?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, somebody needed somebody who if they fell off, would

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<v Speaker 4>be less likely to have a devastating injury.

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<v Speaker 3>Should have been standing.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're thinking soberly correct and you're thinking clearly this

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<v Speaker 2>was after a party.

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<v Speaker 3>They were leaving a party.

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<v Speaker 2>They're actually pictures of Lway and Spurbek holding wine glasses together, imposing.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is a reasonable assumption, right that alcohol was

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<v Speaker 2>part of the equation, not all of it, and it

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<v Speaker 2>may not have been connected to even him falling and slipping,

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<v Speaker 2>or it may have been that, yeah, he Spurbek was

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<v Speaker 2>drunk and that maybe why why Yeah, Yeah, it could

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<v Speaker 2>be a combination of things. It's just one of those

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<v Speaker 2>me wonder because I know for a fact, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't say all the reasons why that prominent sports.

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<v Speaker 4>Figures are covered for yes, the one hundred percent. I

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<v Speaker 4>actually had a David Cowboy fans would know him David

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<v Speaker 4>Irvin on my podcast that'll be out shortly, and he

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<v Speaker 4>talked about all the ways that he was covered when

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<v Speaker 4>he would partake in cannabis and how he was told, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna mark you whatever. They marked him so he

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't show up to practice that day so he didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have to get drug tested. So there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>ways that people in the sports world cover their athletes,

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<v Speaker 4>especially now. They might not do that for you if

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<v Speaker 4>you're coming off the bench and you're not good, are you?

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're a yeah, Hall of famer, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you. I'll tell you a conspiracy theory, m

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<v Speaker 2>but I almost believed it because of who this person

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<v Speaker 2>was at the time. Okay, cal Ripkin Junior was playing

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<v Speaker 2>for the Baltimore Oriols, and if you know anything about

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<v Speaker 2>cal Ripton Junior, he was chasing Lou Gegg's consecutive game streak.

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<v Speaker 2>But that person told me that he didn't believe that

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<v Speaker 2>cal Ripkin had genuinely beaten lou Garrick's streak because there

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<v Speaker 3>Now, this is all.

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<v Speaker 2>Conspiracy theory, so I'm not you know, this is what

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<v Speaker 2>was told to me that cal Ripton got liquored up

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<v Speaker 2>and did something something something, got put in jail and

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<v Speaker 2>was unable to play. The next day, the organization covered

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<v Speaker 2>for him. Again, it's just a conspiracy theory. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to change the record or anything. But this was

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<v Speaker 2>coming from someone who was relatively in the know.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's only a conspiracy theory because nobody's coming out with

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<v Speaker 4>the proof proof right.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it does come out years later in some documentary,

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<v Speaker 2>just know that that it had legs many years before.

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<v Speaker 3>R right.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's you know, that's called protecting your brand. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not good for the brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>We can debate all day, every day and twice on

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<v Speaker 4>get used to being coddled in such such a way

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<v Speaker 4>and that could potentially increase bad habits that can affect

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<v Speaker 4>you later on in life or in an incident like this.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm not saying it's a good thing. But protecting

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<v Speaker 4>the brand is something most companies do.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and sometimes it gets so big that they can't

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<v Speaker 2>right exactly. I remember Jim Orsay, now recently departed, got

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<v Speaker 2>into some incidents of dui in sense and it got

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<v Speaker 2>to be so big that they.

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<v Speaker 4>Couldn't cover it right, right, The Dallas Mavericks the situation

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<v Speaker 4>there with the harassment that got so big that no

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<v Speaker 4>longer can cover it up, but somebody had been trying

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<v Speaker 4>for a while, So yeah, always got to protect the brand.

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<v Speaker 4>And in this case, I think the positive in this

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<v Speaker 4>situation is because they were such good friends and they've

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<v Speaker 4>known each other for so long. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>there's any punished that they could have put on John

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<v Speaker 4>Elway that was going to be worse than the punishment

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<v Speaker 4>that he's probably feeling himself. So I mean, I get

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<v Speaker 4>justice might not have necessarily been served, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>as far as like the family and stuff, he is

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<v Speaker 4>doing things on his own, So I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 4>there's any punishment that could have matched what he's doing

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<v Speaker 4>to himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of punishment, we told you about the story of

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<v Speaker 2>Joy Taylor and Foxfort Yes and how the lawsuit which

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<v Speaker 2>came for which allege that Joy Taylor, among other things,

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<v Speaker 2>was sleeping with an executive that which opened the door

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<v Speaker 2>for her TV show which has now been canceled.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about that when we come back to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And also Laila Ali is she getting back in the

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<v Speaker 2>boxes better than not. Well, she's saying they offer the

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<v Speaker 2>right money. She might at the age of we'll she

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<v Speaker 2>walk out. We'll find out sixty Live everywhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I Am six forty is Later Moll Kelly. We're live

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. And I got to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you I enjoy speaking with Jackie Ray because I like

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<v Speaker 2>talking about sports, but I don't want to get into

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<v Speaker 2>all the stats and everything. I like the things circling

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<v Speaker 2>around sports. And we told you some time ago, a

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<v Speaker 2>few months ago about a lawsuit in which former now

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<v Speaker 2>former Fox Sports television host Joy Taylor was named in

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<v Speaker 2>a lawsuit which was filed by an ex employee, where

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor allegedly told makeup artists Nushan Faraji, the person who

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<v Speaker 2>filed the lawsuit, to get over the sexual harassment that

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<v Speaker 2>she had been a victim of, allegedly and also by

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<v Speaker 2>programming executive Charlie Dixon, who allegedly Taylor was in a

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<v Speaker 2>longtime sexual relationship with Dixon, who is also married, that

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<v Speaker 2>scandal I told you watched very closely is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be very important. And it was announced today that Joey

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor was either fired or her contract was not renewed,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on how you look at at it, and the

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<v Speaker 2>show that she was on those hosts Keishawn Johnson and

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<v Speaker 2>The Breakfast Ball and the facility were also canceled.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you make of this?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you do you connect it to the lawsuit or

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<v Speaker 2>am I connecting dots which aren't there?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's absolutely connected. This is again what we just

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<v Speaker 4>talked about in the last segment, protecting the brand. So

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<v Speaker 4>do I think that this wasn't common knowledge before the

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<v Speaker 4>lawsuit was filed? I absolutely do not. There's always you

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<v Speaker 4>and I have been in this business long enough to

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<v Speaker 4>know there's very few secrets in close quarters like that,

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<v Speaker 2>May not be spoken of, but you kind of know.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of it is rumor and conjecture, some of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Is fact, and some of it is just blatantly obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>I e.

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<v Speaker 4>Your holiday party, that's where you literally find out a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of tea some of the time. And it's not

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<v Speaker 4>just about who can drink the most. Just since y'all

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<v Speaker 4>keep backing that bus up over if.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not aware, in the moviegos motown Chat, they are

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<v Speaker 2>still discussing Chateau le Mo, the sare and how Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Daniels look.

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<v Speaker 4>I just passed around the love nobody turned it down.

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<v Speaker 4>So but now take that for example, if something had crazy,

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<v Speaker 4>it happened, well, we have downplayed it, probably because it's

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<v Speaker 4>not nobody's business, right, But if it affects the brand,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't affect the brand until it affects the brand.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is what this lawsuit did. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>You mean Fox? I mean, I'm sorry Fox. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>But staying right there.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as women in sports, not necessarily sports media,

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<v Speaker 2>but actual sports, Leila Ali, I don't know how serious

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<v Speaker 2>she was. We know that she's undefeated, Phenom had last

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<v Speaker 2>boxed two thousand and seven years ago. She threw it

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<v Speaker 2>out to that she would be willing to come out

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<v Speaker 2>But if you put one hundred million dollars out there

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<v Speaker 2>and I can go out there and with some head gear, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, Tyson will knock me out if he can catch me.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's not gonna catch me on first pick.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time he hits me, him going down like Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>about me. But Laila a La said, yeah, for fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>people just laughed it off. Remember we're in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of Jake Paul right What I mean of that, the

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<v Speaker 2>world of exhibitions where you have the older, more venerable,

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<v Speaker 4>It's about spectacle, right I. So here's my think thinking

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<v Speaker 4>just conjecture, This is just my opinion. Layla was what

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<v Speaker 4>was he twenty one fights, no losses, twenty knockouts something

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<v Speaker 4>like that. Yeah, it's Banana's her record. You don't come

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<v Speaker 4>unless you broke. That's my opinion. I feel like this

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<v Speaker 2>Would you start with no, no, no, no. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>protect my legacy or something. I want to show that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the all time greatest, right, that's what they know.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, no, No, You're gonna come up with the money,

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<v Speaker 2>A whole bunch of money.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, on top of that. So I wouldn't. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>do that if I were here. Before I got here,

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<v Speaker 4>I looked up to see if Clarissa had issued a response,

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<v Speaker 4>and she did, and the response was crazy, let me

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<v Speaker 4>see if I can find it. But she basically just said,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, I've been wanting to put you in

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<v Speaker 4>your place. You're one hundred and seventy five pounds and

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<v Speaker 4>forty seven. I will knock you out. And she would.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, she is an amazing fighter as well. And

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<v Speaker 4>the reality of it is is like people once they

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<v Speaker 4>passed And I think this is an athlete problem because

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<v Speaker 4>we see this at every sport. Once people pass their prime,

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<v Speaker 2>Darryl Sexton in the Motown Chat says, hey, hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>slow down. How long of a layoff did George Foreman

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<v Speaker 2>have when he came back in the nineties and regained

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<v Speaker 2>the heavyweight championship of the world, and he was, if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly, forty seven he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the exception which proves the rule? No, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just the exception. It's just the exception. Well, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>the rule is, yeah, you know, you're two damn old to.

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<v Speaker 4>Becoming and why would you even want to suggest? And

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<v Speaker 4>the thing is for me, if she had just said, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>like if they had been beefing on X or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>and then she was like, all right, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 4>to put your money where your mouth is. That's fine, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I get it. But the price tag to me says

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<v Speaker 4>this isn't really about protecting her legacy as much as

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<v Speaker 3>It's a payday fifteen to twenty million for someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Who has not fought in at least seventeen years, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>Even though it was undefeated.

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<v Speaker 2>But we can't say that she is credibly one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best in the world anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And how could she be? You're not?

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<v Speaker 4>People forget like the training that you do when you're

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<v Speaker 4>active in your sport, is it? It's insane. There's no

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<v Speaker 4>way she's training right now the same way she was

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<v Speaker 4>training when she was fighting. Why would she.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody is as good at forty seven as the word

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. And I say that very humbly, right as

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's practiced martial arts and competing.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, I'm sorry, I'm not the same fighter I was.

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<v Speaker 4>No ilso don't like working out like it's not fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I want to go sit down somewhere as we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about the elite athlete. Now, was she an elite athlete? Absolutely? Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was maybe three presidents ago, no four presidents.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think her bigger concern, and again this

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<v Speaker 4>is just my opinion, y'all, and I love Leila Ali,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think her bigger concern should be why isn't

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<v Speaker 4>she working? Why isn't she commentating boxing like the men

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<v Speaker 4>the women's Like there's something going on, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 4>personality thing, ego or whatever. This woman should be commentating

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<v Speaker 4>about boxing. We should be seeing her ringside. She shouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be asking for this kind of pay day because she

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<v Speaker 4>should be getting paid right.

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<v Speaker 2>She should be one of the loudest voices within female

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<v Speaker 2>boxing community. Yes, not only does she have the pedigree

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<v Speaker 2>and the name recognition just herself Leila Ali and of

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<v Speaker 2>course the daughter of muhammadad right, but she was one of.

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<v Speaker 3>The of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Not necessar the forerunners, but the torch bearers of women's boxing.

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<v Speaker 4>She made women's boxing relevant. She made it a sport

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<v Speaker 4>that everybody, both men and women, looked at as oh,

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<v Speaker 4>this is legitimate. She is a legitimately good fighter, full stop,

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<v Speaker 4>so that legacy. No one can ever take that legacy

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<v Speaker 4>away from her. So again, I think this should be

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<v Speaker 4>a bigger She's She might need the money, I still

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<v Speaker 4>stand by that, but let's listen, but let's figure out

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<v Speaker 4>a way that we can get you paid consistently and

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<v Speaker 4>still have your name be relevant in the sports you

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<v Speaker 4>can you clearly still love without you having a step

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<v Speaker 3>Jackiu Ray, what are you working on on the Jackuary Show?

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<v Speaker 4>So I have the David Irvin podcast coming out with

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<v Speaker 4>the JACKU Ray Show, but that one, I'm really excited

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<v Speaker 4>for people to hear because what he's talking about is

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<v Speaker 4>the amount of pain that he was in as an

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<v Speaker 4>addictions and things like that that come with those kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of things. So he went, you know, the marijuana route,

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<v Speaker 4>and then that's why he was covered for. But now

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<v Speaker 4>he's trying to branch out and he's partnered with another

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<v Speaker 4>company that does like holistic healing and he's trying to

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<v Speaker 4>to hear that one.

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<v Speaker 3>And Jackie Ray, they can find you where everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>You can follow me on my website jackieatv dot com

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<v Speaker 2>Why do they keep misspelling your name in the check

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<v Speaker 2>because they can literally see you you are participating.

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<v Speaker 4>With I don't know, but but you know, y'all talk

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<v Speaker 3>Are also real quick. There's two things going on, talking

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<v Speaker 3>about getting backed over the bus. And she's got some

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<v Speaker 3>fans tonight too.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I got some fans.

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<v Speaker 2>you have some stalkers. Some folks want people are trying

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, we got height requirements now, so post

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<v Speaker 3>Take does that mean that you're accepting resumes in the?

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