Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to a brand new episode
Speaker 1: of the Poker Go Podcast. It is Tuesday, May twenty seventh.
Speaker 1: It is officially the first day of the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five World Series of Poker, but we are not at
Speaker 1: the WSP yet. Tim and myself are here at the
Speaker 1: Poker Grow Studio. We just wrapped up the famous twenty
Speaker 1: five K Fantasy Draft, hosted by none other than Daniel
Speaker 1: Negraan new who we will hear from on this episode.
Speaker 1: We do have both audio and video from Daniel that
Speaker 1: we will play for you in a little bit. Tim,
Speaker 1: my friend, look at this guy.
Speaker 2: I'm so tired.
Speaker 1: How long does the draft? How long does the draft go?
Speaker 1: We started, I don't even know if we started on time.
Speaker 2: We started a little light one fifteen, maybe one twenty.
Speaker 1: It's five hours, a record twenty four teams believe it's
Speaker 1: never gotten into the twenties. Every single year, Daniel's like
Speaker 1: it's gonna be over twenty. I'm getting interest. I'm getting interest.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, day of people bail, you know,
Speaker 1: But this year, twenty four, brand new record, absolutely freaking
Speaker 1: massive churnout. The room was packed, one hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: two players needed to be drafted. For those that don't know,
Speaker 1: you guys can go to twenty five k fantasy dot com.
Speaker 1: You can see all the teams. You can read you
Speaker 1: know history, you can look at past results just two
Speaker 1: years ago. Just make sure you look at the result
Speaker 1: when we won. The rules are all on there, all
Speaker 1: that sort of good stuff. So you know, Tim and
Speaker 1: I will hit on some stuff. He was the auctioneer
Speaker 1: once again. A good job by you, thank you. I
Speaker 1: mean it was a it was a tall task.
Speaker 2: The easiest thing to do. It was as you have.
Speaker 2: He's look, there's people that are listening to this podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm going to complain about them. David Baker, David odb
Speaker 2: Biker is like a mass He just just does this.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even put his hand out. He just kind
Speaker 2: of like one dollar, like I can't see it. And
Speaker 2: I miss people's bids, Like you need to just through
Speaker 2: the handoff.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what we need, we need we
Speaker 1: need auction paddles. Next time.
Speaker 2: No one would use them, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: I know, we still need them. And if you don't
Speaker 1: use them, you don't get your bidden. That's the rule.
Speaker 1: And people damn paddle in the air. Let's pet it's
Speaker 1: just on one side it can be the twenty five
Speaker 1: K logo and on the other side you can write
Speaker 1: your name, your team name, you know, so just the
Speaker 1: people that can kind of know what's what's going on.
Speaker 2: And I just love to quite the full use of
Speaker 2: the clock to get that one.
Speaker 1: I think you, I think you have to do that.
Speaker 1: And I know Mickey who's off camera, my drafting partner,
Speaker 1: my co owner of our team, team dp MD. If
Speaker 1: you head to twenty five k Fantasy dot Com, I
Speaker 1: mean it's hard because you wanted to like slow down.
Speaker 1: You don't want to just be like going one dollar
Speaker 1: one dollar, one dollar, one dollar, because next thing you know,
Speaker 1: it's just going to keep skying the price. Right, So
Speaker 1: when you get to the part where you think it's
Speaker 1: gonna slow down, when you're kind of reaching that ceiling
Speaker 1: of where you think a player might land, okay, then
Speaker 1: you start going slow once again. Yours truly picked the
Speaker 1: most expensive player. I'm just every year, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to try and set a new record. That's that's the goal.
Speaker 2: Is this what is the highest paid player ever of
Speaker 2: all time?
Speaker 1: Jeremy, if you're listening, let's f and go buddy, come on,
Speaker 1: let's f and go. You got to do it.
Speaker 2: He's spending some of the World Series in Coloradoway's family.
Speaker 1: No stop, get out of here.
Speaker 2: I spoke from him. He told me he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: missing two weeks in the middle to.
Speaker 1: And Brent Hanks tried to tell me that come July first,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be playing anymore. Yeah, okay, whatever, guys, whatever,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, listen, it was it was I
Speaker 1: think a good draft overall, you know, all things considered, again,
Speaker 1: I think you did a really good job just kind
Speaker 1: of keeping everything uh moving. There were a few hiccups,
Speaker 1: not not your fault. When you know team's bid or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, we didn't hear like like
Speaker 1: you said. You know, there are some teams that are
Speaker 1: they're very quiet with their bidding where they come in
Speaker 1: like very much last minute, you know. Or there's also
Speaker 1: the time when like some but you'll say fifteen and
Speaker 1: then like seven teams will say sixteen. Yeah, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 2: And the thing is, I normally take the one that
Speaker 2: I see with the hand ups. If you don't put
Speaker 2: your hand up, you're not going to get the benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt there, and you also mentioned it twenty
Speaker 2: four teams they don't fit, you know, some teams of
Speaker 2: four people, five people. It's the whole studio is full,
Speaker 2: and like I'm kind of like left and right, so
Speaker 2: it does get a little difficult to see the entire
Speaker 2: room in one viewpoint. Maybe we need to change the
Speaker 2: set up a little bit. Next to you, But hey,
Speaker 2: did my best, and I'm surprised I didn't lose my voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen with how much this thing has grown,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of did just complain on the
Speaker 1: last podcast. How I'm surprised that this hasn't grown by
Speaker 1: like one and a half entries on average every single year.
Speaker 1: But we did get a big boost this year, so
Speaker 1: that's really cool. I'm sure that big boost will carry
Speaker 1: over to Odb's Fantasy League, which is the five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars buying fantasy league that you can get into, but
Speaker 1: you use the prices that were set in the twenty
Speaker 1: five K fantasy league. So again, go to twenty five
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Speaker 1: all right. Twenty five K Fantasy A quick rundown of
Speaker 1: how it works auction draft. Everyone starts with two hundred
Speaker 1: dollars that they can bid with, and you know, you
Speaker 1: go around. One team nominates someone. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of bidding. Tim here is the one who's like going once,
Speaker 1: going twice, sold to so and so. You have to
Speaker 1: fill up your team of eight players. And then when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, the scoring is based on
Speaker 1: how these players do in World Series of Poker events.
Speaker 1: Only live events count. There are how many events don't count?
Speaker 1: Tag team doesn't count. I think that's it. I think
Speaker 1: everything else counts. Ladies, ladies count, senior count employees. No,
Speaker 1: I think it does. I'm pretty sure it does. But
Speaker 1: all the big stuff again, you guys can follow it
Speaker 1: on twenty five K fantasy dot com. I'm sure Tim
Speaker 1: and I will be talking about on the podcast regularly,
Speaker 1: as we always do. We will also be you know,
Speaker 1: sharing on social media various stuff. I know poker News.
Speaker 1: I know poker dot org they dedicate some resources to
Speaker 1: tracking stuff on poker news. They have little badges for
Speaker 1: all the players. They try and track the players. I
Speaker 1: know poker dot org is working closely with David Baker
Speaker 1: ODB on stuff where they're going to do more coverage.
Speaker 1: And I believe I heard on odb's pod that poker
Speaker 1: dot org is playing to have kind of a dedicated
Speaker 1: reporter to the twenty five K Fantasy League all summer long,
Speaker 1: So there's that as well.
Speaker 2: They're also giving away ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, poker dot org is given away a ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars seat. I don't know the exact link, but if
Speaker 1: you just go to poker dot org, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: can find it, or you can check the parkers.
Speaker 2: Like two days and you submit a team onder the
Speaker 2: same kind of rules that ADIB runs and they I
Speaker 2: believe you win a ten thousand dollars seat to a
Speaker 2: Las Vegas tournament. So that could also mean PGT event.
Speaker 2: Ope baby Pokemasa's hope baby. Some of that, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's necessarily WSP bound, but but yeah,
Speaker 2: that's kind of pretty cool. I'm going to be entering
Speaker 2: my team.
Speaker 1: So listen, no free ads, but they just got a
Speaker 1: really good free ad, so poker dot org to check
Speaker 1: that out. All right, I want to know from you, sir, okay.
Speaker 1: I was in the draft, so like, what what are
Speaker 1: sort of your initial big picture takeaways? Was it a
Speaker 1: shock to see, for example, US going up to one
Speaker 1: forty one on Jeremy Osmas. You know, like I feel
Speaker 1: like sitting there, Mickey and I are going back and
Speaker 1: forth with this time it was rent Linn, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, it's us in ren Linn. But
Speaker 1: then there's you know, twenty two other teams that are
Speaker 1: looking at me like I'm an absolute alien out there.
Speaker 2: The first thing coming into this, I was thinking, look,
Speaker 2: there's five six teams more than normal, and I know
Speaker 2: not if people know how to adjust to the job process, right,
Speaker 2: because what does this mean? Does it mean I take
Speaker 2: the Jeremy Osmas for one hundred and fifty bucks and
Speaker 2: then find all the dollar plays five hours later, or
Speaker 2: do I do something different? Like there's no precedent for
Speaker 2: a draft size this week, so I knew the strategies
Speaker 2: were all out the window. The second thing I noticed
Speaker 2: is that some people are idiots. There's no research, there's
Speaker 2: no look you and Mickey very well prepared. I looked
Speaker 2: at others. I look at their sheets. I'd like to
Speaker 2: see who their stars are. Not going to give anything away,
Speaker 2: but I just like, I like to see how prepared
Speaker 2: people are. And you see these guys, you know, with
Speaker 2: all these names columnize. You know, we want this one,
Speaker 2: we don't want to touch these ones. And then you
Speaker 2: see dance Apo mon Zamani sitting there with a notepad
Speaker 2: with names scribbled down and chicken scratch. You got other
Speaker 2: people that I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: The best I know a team is. I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: say they're drawing dead. I just don't worry about them.
Speaker 1: When I see on their computer screen they're just looking
Speaker 1: at like twenty five k fantasy dot com from last year.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you are drawing dead like you're just
Speaker 1: looking at the past result. You have no idea what's
Speaker 1: going on. Okay, cool, that's good, you know, But there
Speaker 1: were a lot of teams that I felt like had
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't like, you know, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to look at every one's notes, but you can see
Speaker 1: them if you just walk around the room or whatever.
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of people who had like
Speaker 1: a lot of spreadsheets. They were They definitely brought preparation,
Speaker 1: you know, which which made things a bit harder overall.
Speaker 2: So I think like the back the back end of
Speaker 2: the draft, right where it's you know, half the teams
Speaker 2: are gone and now pretty much wherever you nominate you're
Speaker 2: gonna get. I think that's where it's your team is made, right.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how prepared people are, like how
Speaker 2: long their list of the one dollar players is, you know,
Speaker 2: And you know, we had some wrinkles in this. We
Speaker 2: had an Australian team throwing out some Australian names that
Speaker 2: kind of mix things up. But I think that's where
Speaker 2: your team has made right, when you you lock up
Speaker 2: that star player like you guys did Jeremi Ozas, and
Speaker 2: then you can get these really high valued one dollar
Speaker 2: players that are going to like perform at a better
Speaker 2: dollar to point average than you know, some other people
Speaker 2: that are get drafted. And you can look at these
Speaker 2: names and you'll see that, Okay, he's super valued. He's
Speaker 2: super valued. And even you have people that you know,
Speaker 2: there's one name that stands out that didn't even get drafted.
Speaker 2: Did you know what I'm thinking, Alan Kesler didn't get drafted.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I must say Alan Kessel is the
Speaker 2: best park of player in the world. But you get
Speaker 2: in what are we getting seventy events from him? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Who knows he's gonna be in the ten k mixes.
Speaker 2: He's going to play the little stuff. Whether you think
Speaker 2: he's good, it's just a volume player you could have got.
Speaker 2: You look at all these the eighth player drafted for
Speaker 2: all these teams. I feel like Alan Kessa might be
Speaker 2: better than half of them. Yeah, value wise, say value.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. You know, I think I think
Speaker 1: people kind of struggle at the end of the draft
Speaker 1: and they just start throwing out names that they know
Speaker 1: or have heard. And I know Alankester is not always
Speaker 1: the most popular player within that room, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: normally he does make an appearance. By the way, he
Speaker 1: didn't make an appearance this time on specially the helmet appearance,
Speaker 1: you know, as he.
Speaker 2: Was getting nominated and on, which was like the's timing possible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was impeccable.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. I guess. Just a quick aside, if
Speaker 1: you guys did miss the draft, and you do want
Speaker 1: to go check it out and see what it's about,
Speaker 1: you can head to the poker go dot com YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: We did stream the entire draft from start to finish,
Speaker 1: so that is available. I know there were plenty of
Speaker 1: people that were tuned in. The chat was extremely active throughout,
Speaker 1: so if you want to go back and check that out,
Speaker 1: you are certainly welcome to do.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about your team, and then let's talk
Speaker 2: about teams we like, or we could just like kind
Speaker 2: of whatever stands out to us. I think that's the
Speaker 2: best way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, draft is over. So last episode
Speaker 1: when we were doing the predictions and I want you know,
Speaker 1: one of the questions was who's the favorite twin player
Speaker 1: of the year. My favorite twin player of the year
Speaker 1: is Jeremy Osmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I backed out from saying it on that episode because
Speaker 1: I didn't want people to listen in and possibly get
Speaker 1: an idea that we were going to be taking him.
Speaker 1: That was the player. Mickey and I decided that, you know,
Speaker 1: we agreed, this is the guy we we're essentially going
Speaker 1: to go all in on. And to be honest, as
Speaker 1: I was bidding and going back and forth with Renlin,
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna have to go to one
Speaker 1: ninety three. It got to the point where I was like,
Speaker 1: here we go.
Speaker 2: If we're talking about peop without a strategy, it could
Speaker 2: be red Lane. I felt like you you too.
Speaker 1: At one point, Renlan looked at me and he said,
Speaker 1: I got a whole bunch of one dollar players. I'm like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so do I buddy, Like, what do you want me
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 2: It's it was when you guys were going at it.
Speaker 2: I wish there was There's no a duck un draft order, right.
Speaker 1: No, but I will say that. So the first player
Speaker 1: nominated was Nick Shulman, and he went for over one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. It was one hundred and seven, which, listen,
Speaker 1: Mick and I were both Mickey and I were both
Speaker 1: very big on Nick Shulman. But it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where we know if we want Ozmas ultimately we
Speaker 1: can't also get Shulman. I mean, maybe there is a
Speaker 1: world where, you know, some miracle, you know, fantasy universe
Speaker 1: where that happens, but it's very likely that's not going
Speaker 1: to happen, Okay. I was surprised to see that Nick
Speaker 1: did push up over one hundred. Now it's again, it's
Speaker 1: not that we don't agree that he is that type
Speaker 1: of player, it's just that in the past he hasn't
Speaker 1: gotten that high. He's been a bit lower. He's been
Speaker 1: like in the seventies, I think if I recall so,
Speaker 1: so that was interesting to start, but then once that happened,
Speaker 1: I mean my initial thought was, Okay, we are going
Speaker 1: to have to go to the one thirties, one forties
Speaker 1: for our top guy, Jeremy Osmas. You know, Mickey the
Speaker 1: freaking goat. He's like, Jeremy Austmas is probably going to
Speaker 1: go for one hundred and forty. That was like his
Speaker 1: projected number what he had, and he ended up going
Speaker 1: for one forty one. So Mickey had that very much nailed.
Speaker 1: But it could have also went the other way, where
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well maybe if everyone's kind of all
Speaker 1: in on Shulman, maybe then they're not all in on Ozmas,
Speaker 1: you know. So so yeah, I mean, ultimately it just
Speaker 1: it came down to ren Linn and I and we
Speaker 1: were going back and forth one dollar piece. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't really understand the strategy from these other teams.
Speaker 1: If you're bidding against me and you're up to one forty.
Speaker 1: Why are you not continuing to just go? Especially bren
Speaker 1: Lynn who claims that he has a one dollar player, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like one forty is your cap?
Speaker 1: Like what is this cap?
Speaker 2: Did you have a cap on Jeremy?
Speaker 1: That's no, the cap was one ninety three, which is
Speaker 1: the mac CONFIGU teammate Mickey, Yeah, damn. And we I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what our plan was. If it got
Speaker 1: to like one seventy five. I was saying one ninety three,
Speaker 1: because you can at that point you can't risk not
Speaker 1: getting that player if that's who we want. So it's like,
Speaker 1: at some point you can't risk like possibly saying if
Speaker 1: he says one seventy five, I say one seventy six.
Speaker 1: Then he says one ninety three, Like we don't want
Speaker 1: to risk that. So we were like, okay, fine, here
Speaker 1: we go. If it gets that high, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: have to say the number like I mean, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave the room for four hours and come
Speaker 1: back and try and draft a bunch of one dollar players.
Speaker 1: That was the plan. But like, I don't understand that
Speaker 1: strategy Another strategy that I don't understand is these teams.
Speaker 1: There was several of them today, and there is several
Speaker 1: of them every year. They're in on like every player
Speaker 1: that gets nominated. I'm like, what mind? So weird to me,
Speaker 1: it seems like you should just you should pick your
Speaker 1: kind of target guys and you should go after them. Now,
Speaker 1: speaking of target guys and pulling this back to our team,
Speaker 1: everyone that we got on our team all A players.
Speaker 1: We got Jeremy Osmas, Seth Davies, Stevensong, John Shorman, Boris Angelov,
Speaker 1: Tommy Coral, Nicholas Milgrim, and Urie Reichenstein we had on
Speaker 1: our list, So they were targeted players from US. Now
Speaker 1: that some of them were a bit further down the list, yes,
Speaker 1: because obviously players get taken from you, you get out bid,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. But we got everyone that
Speaker 1: we set out that was on a list. We didn't
Speaker 1: have to pull any audibles. We didn't have to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, randomly be like, oh, we got to pull
Speaker 1: this guy in because all of our guys are gone. No.
Speaker 1: So I feel good in the preparation that we did.
Speaker 1: I will also admit that at some point it did
Speaker 1: feel a little touch and go because some of the
Speaker 1: players were getting thrown out from some other teams who
Speaker 1: had more money and they were bidding on them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was it was an interesting draft. Our plan
Speaker 1: a coming into it was Ozma's at Ozmas. First. We
Speaker 1: love the fact that we drew the three card to
Speaker 1: nominate third so that we could nominate Ozmas and just
Speaker 1: go get him right away. And then we wanted the
Speaker 1: King John Reardan.
Speaker 2: How much did they spend on Real fifty four?
Speaker 1: We went all in at fifty three and we got
Speaker 1: out bid.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of that today.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's just outrageous by that team.
Speaker 1: It's definitely from the set Davies pick.
Speaker 2: The reason being is obviously there's gonna be some high
Speaker 2: roles here in the studio, so we may lose him
Speaker 2: for that, but is he gonna fall in that kind
Speaker 2: of Jason Kuhn category with.
Speaker 1: Seth Davey said, everything Nolan had hold him in PLO
Speaker 1: ten k pluk, A bunch of stuff below that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be firing hard. He's ready to go. You know
Speaker 1: Another thing that that we did, Mickey and I is
Speaker 1: we spoke to pretty much everyone on our team. I mean,
Speaker 1: we didn't speak to Stephen Song, but we don't We
Speaker 1: don't need to speak to Stephen Song. We know about
Speaker 1: Steven Song, and we didn't speak to bors Angelo, but
Speaker 1: we had secondhand information from somebody invested in our team
Speaker 1: about Boris Angelov. Everyone else. We had direct messages from
Speaker 1: going back and forth to them. Hey, this is like
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm planning whatever. I had no idea
Speaker 1: how to reach Ury Richton sign. I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: draft him, and I got ahold of his email, fired
Speaker 1: off an email the guy replied in thirty minutes. Without
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. I was like, this guy is in ready
Speaker 1: to go, ready to f and go. So, Uri Baby,
Speaker 1: you are our field bonus king. Please make it happen.
Speaker 1: You and Stephen Song. I'm expecting two big field bonuses.
Speaker 2: Can you can you throw us some some one dollar players?
Speaker 2: You you had, you you were targeting if say the
Speaker 2: Nick Milgrims, Tom Carl's, Uri Richard Signs didn't didn't come
Speaker 2: you away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we had Ian Steinmann again, who who came?
Speaker 1: We nominated him and then somebody immediately said eight dollars
Speaker 1: or something. So I mean that was, yeah, that was unfortunate.
Speaker 1: We had Ryan Lang on our team or on our list.
Speaker 1: We had he went early, didn't he? Yeah, fairly early.
Speaker 1: We had Renji Mao Ricky who ended up getting picked
Speaker 1: up by.
Speaker 2: That was the best part of the So, for those
Speaker 2: who's not aware, rend Land gives me these names. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw he wrote the names down.
Speaker 2: He always does this, he's very great. This time he
Speaker 2: wrote them in Chinese, in Chinese characters. I don't read that.
Speaker 2: I can read my name in Chinese. Then the real name.
Speaker 2: He probably just thought fellow Asian. Maybe there's a shot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I was like, I think I got the pronunciation
Speaker 2: pretty well because I had to ask him like did
Speaker 2: I pronounce this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, but like you definitely butchered some others.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm terrible for those, I'm terrible at pronunciation,
Speaker 2: but I do my best. And then he had Renjie Mao,
Speaker 2: who's also Ricky Mao. I guess Ricky was sitting at
Speaker 2: the table with them, and I think it was Brent
Speaker 2: and someone else were bidding on him. Brent didn't even
Speaker 2: know he was sitting there. Renji brought out his camera
Speaker 2: and was filming it as he was getting bid on
Speaker 2: a bit like Phil Holmer. So I already love this guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's going pretty hard. He's got a big package.
Speaker 2: He so big for him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean we had a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: you know, we had people. We don't necessarily call him
Speaker 1: one dollar players. We call them bargain players because maybe
Speaker 1: we need to get him for three, four or five
Speaker 1: something like that. So one of our biggest guys is
Speaker 1: somebody that we had last year, and that was Dario Alioto.
Speaker 1: But you know, for whatever reason, other people were on
Speaker 1: him and he went for a crap ton of money
Speaker 1: and went for twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty something, and that was twenty five.
Speaker 1: We have to have the best hit rate our team
Speaker 1: over the years of putting somebody on the map for
Speaker 1: like sub five dollars and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they're John Reard and fifty four dollars. Yeah, Like we
Speaker 1: were on Stephen Song, we were on Dario Alioto, you know,
Speaker 1: we were on obviously John Reard, and like we've been
Speaker 1: on all these guys for cheap. It goes back to
Speaker 1: the whole genesis of the entire thing. Myself and Rich
Speaker 1: Ryan talking some smack on the on the Poker News
Speaker 1: podcast back in the day, saying like, it's Ivy in
Speaker 1: the Misfits, it's Ivy for one ninety three and seven
Speaker 1: players for a dollar. And that was the whole idea.
Speaker 1: And you know, basically Daniel Lagrond and listened to the podcast,
Speaker 1: said hey, you guys can sell action and get in
Speaker 1: here if you want. That's how we ended up getting
Speaker 1: into the thing. You know, Basically, Daniel was like, if
Speaker 1: you guys are going to talk to talk, you need
Speaker 1: to come out here and prove it and try and
Speaker 1: walk the walk. So we've been in this thing every time.
Speaker 2: You proved it one time, we did, we did win
Speaker 2: it one time everybody, but this is this is the
Speaker 2: year to win.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is the year to win. So yeah, So
Speaker 1: we have Jeremy Olsm's one hundred and forty one dollars
Speaker 1: set Davies twenty nine dollars. He's our next most expensive player.
Speaker 1: And Davies is our you know, he's our high roller guy.
Speaker 1: We want definitely wanted to target a guy who is
Speaker 1: like he's going to play the two fifty k, the
Speaker 1: hundred k, you know, the fifty k is all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff we wanted, like one of those guys
Speaker 1: on the team. Seth has been absolutely on fire the
Speaker 1: last what year, maybe eight months to a year, you know,
Speaker 1: absolutely crushing it. Not that he hasn't been an extremely
Speaker 1: good player over the years, it's just you know, variants
Speaker 1: as a giant bitch, and it doesn't always work out
Speaker 1: for you. Steven Song our third year in a row
Speaker 1: with mister Song, so we love to have him. We
Speaker 1: got him for seventeen. We were prepared to go a
Speaker 1: little bit higher, and then we rounded up the team.
Speaker 1: John Shuman a dollar, Boris Angelova dollar, Tommy Coral a dollar,
Speaker 1: Nicholas Milgram four dollars, but he was really one dollar.
Speaker 1: We bid four dollars because at that time, the way
Speaker 1: that we structured things, no one else could bid higher
Speaker 1: than four dollars. So I believe it was Daniel Legrandu
Speaker 1: who threw him out for a dollar. We said four,
Speaker 1: shut everyone out, great, and then we had six dollars
Speaker 1: left over for Euri Uygenstein. You know, we just nominated
Speaker 1: him for six dollars knowing no one else had that
Speaker 1: money left. So in terms of like strategic maneuvering at
Speaker 1: the end, with the money that we had. I'm very
Speaker 1: very happy with how we closed things out because we
Speaker 1: we planned our nominations in a way that we're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's throw this guy out there. Maybe he'll slip through
Speaker 1: for a dollar. If not, that's fine. We do want
Speaker 1: to save money for Nicholas Milgram and Euri Reichenstein should
Speaker 1: we need it at the end, because we definitely want
Speaker 1: those two guys. And you know, as it turns out,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that those guys wouldn't have come
Speaker 1: to us for one or two dollars, but we were
Speaker 1: able to for sure lock him in, Like it was
Speaker 1: basically Mickey saying, yeah, ury Rich densign six dollars, just
Speaker 1: give him to us because no one else has that money,
Speaker 1: so he's ours. So overall, I'm extremely happy with things. Obviously,
Speaker 1: this whole thing is a giant you know, gamble on
Speaker 1: a variance fest. So whatever, what else you got for me?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I'm looking at the teams. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to see if I can do I have a favorite team.
Speaker 1: Well, you keep looking. I'm going to run through the
Speaker 1: top ten most expensive players from this draft. So we
Speaker 1: have Jeremy Osmas on our team one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: one dollars, a record price for the twenty five K
Speaker 1: Fantasy draft. Then it's Scott sever one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five dollars. According to multiple sources, Scott sever is trying
Speaker 1: to run it back for WSP Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: So he's the second most pricey player. Yuri's Evelevski aka
Speaker 1: ury nerd Guy, the Brazilian superstar, third most expensive player
Speaker 1: at one hundred and nineteen dollars. Then you have Daniel Legrandu,
Speaker 1: who was drafted by himself one hundred and eight dollars.
Speaker 1: For him, we paid one thirty two I believe last
Speaker 1: year Nick Shulman one oh seven. He was the first
Speaker 1: player off the board, nominated by Mike Lang's team and
Speaker 1: then ultimately drafted for one oh seven. Jesse loanis an
Speaker 1: absolutely massive price for Jesse loanis one hundred and three dollars.
Speaker 1: So those those are the top six. Then we have
Speaker 1: everyone else within the top ten is above ninety dollars.
Speaker 1: So we had Sean deeb at ninety nine, Benny Glaser
Speaker 1: at ninety nine. Phil Ivey must be back because phil
Speaker 1: Ivey went for ninety five dollars. I Mickey and I
Speaker 1: talked and I said, I think phil Ivey's back, Like
Speaker 1: I think he's back. So it seems like other players
Speaker 1: seem to agree ninety five dollars for Ivy and then
Speaker 1: James Ops, you're a Aussie boy ninety one dollars who
Speaker 1: was on our list for kind of like mid tierish
Speaker 1: possibly bargain because he's one of those weird players who
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people talk to him
Speaker 1: or know about him. But then he walked in the
Speaker 1: room of course.
Speaker 2: With teams sent him an email on your behalf.
Speaker 1: No, no, I know, but I'm saying a lot of he's
Speaker 1: just like a guy who I don't think a lot
Speaker 1: of people have connections, you know, so they just kind
Speaker 1: of don't know what's going to happen. But then he
Speaker 1: walked in the room, so obviously you could tell that. Okay,
Speaker 1: probably a lot of people are going to be on him.
Speaker 1: So that's that, I guess the other and.
Speaker 2: I give you some intel on that, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So I just found I was talking to dider Geren,
Speaker 2: who is the I guess the captain of the Team
Speaker 2: Australia team. He was telling me that in back in
Speaker 2: Australia in the poker tournaments the APL, they run something
Speaker 2: very similar to this but for Australian players for their
Speaker 2: major series, so they're running their own kind of twenty
Speaker 2: five K fantasy.
Speaker 1: I mean we need to be doing this for every
Speaker 1: PG show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Da was drafted last year in the Mark Gregory's draft,
Speaker 2: which got him interested, and then they launched that in Australia,
Speaker 2: so he's been playing that and he's like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna jump in. I know how the rules, I
Speaker 2: know how it works, and that's why he drafting a team,
Speaker 2: and that's why he also drafted James Ups, who was
Speaker 2: sitting at the team with him.
Speaker 1: I guess I should move over to hit on Daniel
Speaker 1: legrand New's team next, just because we do have some
Speaker 1: audio and video with Daniels. So Daniel ended up with
Speaker 1: himself first, which I asked him about in the interview,
Speaker 1: so you'll hear his thoughts there. He also finished with
Speaker 1: Jous Samoo. Those were his top two most expensive guys.
Speaker 1: He's got Mike Madisou aka the Mouth. He's got Anthony Zeno,
Speaker 1: Shout out Zeno. He's got Eric E. Dog Lingren Tyler Brown,
Speaker 1: John Turner, and this is the pick of the draft,
Speaker 1: Nick Palmer. NICKI, I mean the universe is this pick.
Speaker 1: So that is Daniel Legrand News team. And let's just
Speaker 1: throw it to Dan Eggs right now and let's hear
Speaker 1: from him. After the twenty five K Fantasy Draft. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Like I had these people saying I want a team,
Speaker 3: and people say that every year. I'm yeah, but it's
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand, and then they sent me twenty five
Speaker 3: thousand in bitcourt.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we'll see you here. Obviously.
Speaker 3: It just shows how much this thing has really really
Speaker 3: grown and how much people see throughout the summer they
Speaker 3: have this fomo. They want to be a part of it.
Speaker 3: They want to draft their own team. And now you
Speaker 3: have the other extended aspect, which is the David bakerpool.
Speaker 1: So for the low rollers, you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna have a chance to build your own team. Taking
Speaker 3: a look at the scores here, and it's a big
Speaker 3: group of players with twenty four teams. I had no
Speaker 3: intention of drafting myself because the way that I look
Speaker 3: at it is when you have an expanded group of teams,
Speaker 3: if you do any other fantasy. You realize that, like
Speaker 3: there's less high value targets, so they go up in price.
Speaker 3: And I saw my so last year I went for
Speaker 3: one thirty two. I'm like, these guys are gonna spend
Speaker 3: one sixty on me, But all of a sudden, I
Speaker 3: hear one oh seven and nobody's well want to wait?
Speaker 3: So now I had to go complete audible with my strategy.
Speaker 3: My strategy was Max Colman Jowel Smoo was my big two.
Speaker 3: So now it's instead me and Joel Smoll. So I'll
Speaker 3: take that. The thing is, you want to get value.
Speaker 3: Mattis I at three dollars is value? E dogg at
Speaker 3: two is most certainly value. Tyler Brown I really like
Speaker 3: his game. I think he went for what he was
Speaker 3: supposed to, probably Ish and pearl jam. You know, he's
Speaker 3: a guy who can play all the mixed games for
Speaker 3: a buck. The wildcard is, of course, Nicky Pete. He's
Speaker 3: he was texting on Stop saying, bro, I'm bringing it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a great summer.
Speaker 2: Pick me, pick me.
Speaker 3: I looked at my list, I'm like, I think it's
Speaker 3: time to give Nicky p a shot. Well, we got
Speaker 3: fifty k's fifty k's lady gagat Team China. I always
Speaker 3: play every year.
Speaker 1: It's a fifty K bet.
Speaker 3: I'm charging him one hundred percent tariff, so he's got
Speaker 3: to lay.
Speaker 1: A hundred and fifty k.
Speaker 3: But I like his team. I almost was going to
Speaker 3: go with the strategy of sniping his team because he
Speaker 3: always picks a couple of big guys and then picks
Speaker 3: these Asian guys we don't know, and I don't know
Speaker 3: them either. But I was just gonna say two you know,
Speaker 3: on randoms like but I didn't go that route.
Speaker 1: All right, So that was d naggs. You heard it there.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got people were coming up to him
Speaker 1: by the way afterwards. You know, he's going side bed
Speaker 1: side bed side bets. Fifty K here fifty K. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy's got to have three hundred K on this draft.
Speaker 2: And what maybe maybe what they will do it that's
Speaker 2: what it is. It is.
Speaker 1: Well, I I don't ever do any side bets for
Speaker 1: our team. I am essentially all in on with what
Speaker 1: I want to invest on the team. And and that's that,
Speaker 1: you know, And.
Speaker 2: Plus a lot of the teammate wants to do a
Speaker 2: side bet.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys will hold on a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys come up to you and they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, a five K side. But I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys, No, no, we're not
Speaker 1: doing that. Like I'm fully like, this is already. It's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a giant crapshoot as is. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know you're betting on people who are gambling for the
Speaker 1: next seven weeks. I mean that's just it's crazy. So whatever,
Speaker 1: But what he's got he wanted to side of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was talking trash about I'm not gonna I
Speaker 2: want to say the night. But he was talking atle
Speaker 2: bit of trash about one of the teams he's ready
Speaker 2: to ready, he'll get in fire away And maybe he
Speaker 2: was sliding into some d ms via Twitter and get
Speaker 2: some side action on himself.
Speaker 1: So a couple of picks I thought were I guess crazy, wild, insane.
Speaker 1: First of all, there was some names that I've I've
Speaker 1: never heard of, which I think that's great. A Romaane Morvin, Marvin,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to pronounce that. From Team Australia.
Speaker 1: I think Team Australia, I feel like they brought three
Speaker 1: Australians and the like was going to draft them, Like
Speaker 1: that's just how.
Speaker 2: What's funny is one of the guys that they nominated
Speaker 2: for a dollar got picked up by Team Novig. I'm like,
Speaker 2: and then they didn't they had money, they didn't spend
Speaker 2: any more money on on getting him. I was wondering if, like,
Speaker 2: why did they not you know, look up he's saying
Speaker 2: them right now. Was that Cooper felt felt to him
Speaker 2: he's got six hundred k in winnings. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know who that is. I don't know either, not that
Speaker 2: Cooper is not a good player, but I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm surprised if they got to know isn't at
Speaker 2: the draft? Yeah, yeah, he was at the draft. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't just add the one more dollar
Speaker 2: to try and get him because the guy that got
Speaker 2: him only had three dollars that he was maxed out
Speaker 2: of three bid two see would have got him for
Speaker 2: one more dollars. So I don't know, maybe he's not playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean John Raisner for fifty four dollars is
Speaker 1: probably the most absurd pack of the draft.
Speaker 2: The guys having a kid. Okay, if he didn't know
Speaker 2: that would it be an absurd price? Okay because I
Speaker 2: didn't know he was having a kid. Okay, but here's
Speaker 2: the thing. You have to know that stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't just gamble player like you need like Mickey
Speaker 1: and I, and even before Mickey and I doing the
Speaker 1: draft this year, I've always been like, I want to
Speaker 1: have an idea of what these guys. Don't just want
Speaker 1: to like throw hail mary's. You know, there have been
Speaker 1: times when we have you know, thrown hail mary's in
Speaker 1: the past and we've ultimately been burned by things. So
Speaker 1: we don't want to have that happen.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You want to try and gather as much information at
Speaker 1: you as you can, just like you're doing in poker,
Speaker 1: where you're trying to collect all the information that you
Speaker 1: can to hopefully make the best decision. Still an incomplete decision, right,
Speaker 1: You're just trying to get everything, trying to use as
Speaker 1: much research as possible, you know, as much you know,
Speaker 1: reaching out to people, talking to people, all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. You can check sites like Poker State, you
Speaker 1: can go on social media like whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: just trying to feel stuff out and that team splash
Speaker 1: the octop I remember they drafted him and they came
Speaker 1: over to us and they're like, oh, Racinger for fifty
Speaker 1: four dollars, like that seems like a good pick. And
Speaker 1: I was like, in my head, I'm like, he's having
Speaker 1: a kid. He's probably only going to make a couple
Speaker 1: of trips here and there. Listen, if Racer's here playing
Speaker 1: every single day, he's probably an eighty or ninety dollars player. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be here every day, So you
Speaker 1: just can't. I don't think you can spend that type
Speaker 1: of capital. And I think you could tell by the
Speaker 1: teams that were bidding on Racer. There was teams that
Speaker 1: knew that he was having a kid, and there were
Speaker 1: other teams that didn't know, and the ones that didn't
Speaker 1: know were bidding on him. So you know, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do there? Overall? So yeah, that that
Speaker 1: team overall splashy OCTOPI, it seems somewhat questionable to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do like, I like reard in for
Speaker 1: fifty four, but that also feels like one of the
Speaker 1: things where I think Rearden is worth fifty four to us.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's really worth fifty four. You know,
Speaker 1: we just have him near and dear to our heart,
Speaker 1: King John Reard in the third is I love to
Speaker 1: call it.
Speaker 2: He's a locker room guy, good chemistry exactly. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: the glue of the team. So you know why I
Speaker 2: don't like on Splash Octipy not the biggest. I know
Speaker 2: it's cheap a Eric Baldwin five dollars. How many venation
Speaker 2: and win events? Is he going to play over World Series?
Speaker 1: Sure, I actually don't mind that pick.
Speaker 2: It was their last pick, but just like I wonder
Speaker 2: if they could maybe I don't know, they could have
Speaker 2: maybe found someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious on what because of how they approached
Speaker 1: John Race. John'm curious if they know anything about Mike
Speaker 1: Leo spoke to Mike Lee. Yeah, was on our bargain list.
Speaker 1: But he's only he's only making a few trips except
Speaker 1: four weeks, right. I think he put out a table
Speaker 1: and he and he's you know, he's probably good for
Speaker 1: a dollar maybe, But like, I just don't know what
Speaker 1: they're what they think about him, because I just think
Speaker 1: overall their team has a lot of gaps in terms
Speaker 1: of schedule. We talked about Mike Rowdinski is one of
Speaker 1: those players who I don't think plays a full schedule anymore. Right,
Speaker 1: Mike Lea is not going to You just brought up
Speaker 1: the point about Eric Baldwin that's worth making. Is he
Speaker 1: going to be venue hopping?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know. So there's that Ray Henson. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know about Ray.
Speaker 2: You know, is he really can he really out dedicate
Speaker 2: seven weeks here? Was he going to do two weeks here?
Speaker 2: One way? Come two weeks? See it? Kind of thing?
Speaker 1: So I think Eric Sidell, who's on their team, as
Speaker 1: an incredible player. You know, the guy's a freaking legend.
Speaker 1: You know. There's an article on poker Stake where they
Speaker 1: did speak to him. He said twenty five to thirty events.
Speaker 1: So I think if you're ultimately comfortable with that, then
Speaker 1: that's fine. Maybe you want, you know, to get up
Speaker 1: closer to like forty to fifty events, right, love them
Speaker 1: the Robert ms Rocky pick. I do really like that one.
Speaker 1: I think that's their best pick overall. Again, because even
Speaker 1: though I love John Reardan, I just think that John
Speaker 1: Rearden is not worth the price to other teams. He's
Speaker 1: worth it to us. Okay, this is our guy, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just quickly run through some of these
Speaker 1: other teams and we'll kind of like be like, okay,
Speaker 1: we like this, we don't like this. You know, we
Speaker 1: won't keep this super like in depth about everything. I'll
Speaker 1: just go through, like as the draft order went. Mike
Speaker 1: Lang's team, Shannon Shore for thirty five, Iamatakis former Player
Speaker 1: of the Year for twenty, Ari Angle for twenty. I
Speaker 1: don't like that pick at all, Dan Shack for ten,
Speaker 1: Adam Owned for twenty two, Sam Soverll for four, Josh
Speaker 1: Reiker for thirty seven, and then Ryan Hoenig for fifty two.
Speaker 1: I know that price tag at the end there might
Speaker 1: shock a lot of people, but they were they had
Speaker 1: the most money at the time, and they just said,
Speaker 1: we're all in. You know, it's our last pick. We're
Speaker 1: out of here type of thing. Anything stick out to
Speaker 1: you there, and if when we run through these teams,
Speaker 1: if nothing sticks out, we can just quickly move on.
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: C plus grade, C plus.
Speaker 1: Grade, Okay, I like it. We had Adam Owen on
Speaker 1: our bargain list. Obviously, there were many other teams on
Speaker 1: him as a as a a target player, you know,
Speaker 1: even for a somewhat cheaper price, and he ended up
Speaker 1: going for twenty two. The Ari angle thing is just
Speaker 1: tricky because honestly, and he's I think he said it before,
Speaker 1: like on social media, I could be at the freaking
Speaker 1: binions playing the three hundred dollars omaha, Like you just
Speaker 1: never know what that guy. So there's that. I heard
Speaker 1: Sam Silverll might be playing mostly like here and there
Speaker 1: at the WSP and focusing on the stuff here at
Speaker 1: the studio the big PGT events, So so I don't
Speaker 1: know about that now. Josh reit Guard is invested in
Speaker 1: their team, so having him there, you know he's probably
Speaker 1: a good player. He's like their version of our Steven
Speaker 1: Song team Fena Poker, Kevin Gerhart for FI Team, Sean
Speaker 1: Deep for ninety nine, Chris Vich for forty eight, Max
Speaker 1: Pescatory for two, Daniel Cpo for twelve, hal Rotholts for
Speaker 1: five dollars, Matt Valo, who is the co founder owner
Speaker 1: CEO Fenum Poker, and then huck Seed for oh great,
Speaker 1: pick the huck seed for a doll You're only saying
Speaker 1: that because Mickey off camera the huck Seed for a
Speaker 1: dollar is I mean, is hux he gonna play.
Speaker 2: Look, he is a phenom pro, right, so maybe he
Speaker 2: really I thought he was.
Speaker 1: I haven't could tell you. I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, then maybe I don't know. He has a BA.
Speaker 2: This is a this is a bee a B because
Speaker 2: they have Dave He's gonna play ten thousand events, they
Speaker 2: have Kevin gohodho's going to be and all the mix
Speaker 2: was same with Viitch.
Speaker 1: So the sametory The interesting part about Kevin Gearhart and
Speaker 1: this is where some teams have an advantage over other teams.
Speaker 1: I talked to Kevin and I asked him, and are
Speaker 1: you are you doing anything at twenty five k A.
Speaker 1: You're helping a team because he's helped teams in the past,
Speaker 1: and obviously Kevin has done some commentary alongside me. We're
Speaker 1: relatively close, you know, all that sort of stuff. And
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, he's helping out with the team. This
Speaker 1: is the team that he helped out with pen Poker.
Speaker 1: And he also said that the team he's helping out with,
Speaker 1: if they draft him, are going to be willing to
Speaker 1: put him in some bigger stuff. So this is another
Speaker 1: one where as the bidding's going back and forth between
Speaker 1: this team Fenom Poker and whoever the other team was.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, it's way more valuable valuable to Phenom
Speaker 1: Poker if they're ultimately going to put him in tournaments
Speaker 1: versus the other team who might spend up and then
Speaker 1: he doesn't play those bigger like ten K mixed events.
Speaker 1: So the fact that Phenom did ultimately land him is
Speaker 1: probably a very good thing one for Kevin. You know,
Speaker 1: he gets take some more shots, which you often see
Speaker 1: through the twenty five K Fantasy League, and then you know,
Speaker 1: it probably benefits Phenom Poker overall. We already talked about
Speaker 1: our team, so we'll skip them. We'll move over to
Speaker 1: the Dinkers, the defending champs. They got Benny Glauser for
Speaker 1: ninety nine. They got Dylan Wiseman for fifty one, David
Speaker 1: Prociak for five dollars, Brandon Wilson for a buck, Sergio
Speaker 1: Ido for two dollars, who we had last year, Victor
Speaker 1: Blam for twenty two, Alan Lee for nine, and Alex
Speaker 1: Ponokovs for eleven.
Speaker 2: This team's I like, I really like this team.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I know you and I have talked about
Speaker 1: Allen Lee in the past.
Speaker 2: Love love Allen Lee.
Speaker 1: He's a very selective player, so you know that's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting. They so these last two picks, Alan Lee
Speaker 1: for nine dollars and Alex Ponokoffs for eleven dollars. They
Speaker 1: had eighteen dollars left, which I think was the most
Speaker 1: out of anyone at the time, and they structured it
Speaker 1: so that no one else could outbid them. They said
Speaker 1: Allen Lee for nine, they said Alex Ponocoafs for eleven.
Speaker 1: So that's how they went about that.
Speaker 2: I think that Prosiac pick will be good value. I
Speaker 2: think Sergio is good value two dollars, probably going to
Speaker 2: play everything up to the two fifty k when it
Speaker 2: comes to hold him. And you know, Brandon Wilson for
Speaker 2: a dollar, you don't know what he's going to play,
Speaker 2: but you know he's results speak for himself.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I life, my concern would be Brandon Wilson.
Speaker 1: It's just a roster spot for a guy who I
Speaker 1: could feel like could play five events like two fifty k,
Speaker 1: hunter K fifty k, you know like that, like that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah him, all right.
Speaker 1: Team Novig this was a new team this year. They
Speaker 1: got Chance Corneck for eighty Chris Brewer for seventy, Brad
Speaker 1: Ruman for thirty one, Yuki Zoo aka rich Zoo for thirteen,
Speaker 1: Nick Seward for one, Cooper felt Him for two, Ismael
Speaker 1: Bojang for two, and Kyle Miholitch for one. I don't
Speaker 1: know Cooper, you know, I know I looked up his
Speaker 1: hendon after his name was called. I don't know Kyle.
Speaker 1: I looked up his hendon after his name of called.
Speaker 1: They feel like, you know, kind of those boom Er
Speaker 1: Bust low price. Hopefully you hit a couple of field
Speaker 1: bonuses types of guys. The Ismael Bojang pick. I know
Speaker 1: he's been a popular name in the past. I just
Speaker 1: have no idea what his volume is going to be like,
Speaker 1: so I would worry there.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Yuki Zoo put out any tweets
Speaker 2: telling people how well his schedule was. So that's that
Speaker 2: thirteen dollars there. You don't know, is he really going
Speaker 2: to be playing a full schedule?
Speaker 1: I mean, if he is, then he's he's That's that's
Speaker 1: a pretty good pick. So I don't. I don't hate
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: I just don't like how they finished that draft.
Speaker 1: See, I don't I don't like having a guy like
Speaker 1: Chance corn as your biggest player. Not that Chance Corneth
Speaker 1: is not good, and not that he's not worth a
Speaker 1: hefty price, but I just don't think the overall volume
Speaker 1: is going to be there, you know, So I just
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: That was another one with a kid at home back
Speaker 2: in I think, what is it.
Speaker 1: Tnational now or maybe Nashville one or the other?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that like, is he you know, we know he
Speaker 2: can play everything, all buyings, all games, PLO and the limit,
Speaker 2: but is he going to do the two.
Speaker 1: Weeks they play the big pillows?
Speaker 2: Of course he plays a big pilo, Yeah, but is
Speaker 2: he going to do two weeks here to go back
Speaker 2: to spend the time with the family kind of come back?
Speaker 2: And you know, he's one of those ones, or he
Speaker 2: could honestly just be you know, he doesn't play our
Speaker 2: events anymore, mainly because for a multitude of reasons. But
Speaker 2: it could be something where he is completely invested in
Speaker 2: the World Series and playing the three K hold him
Speaker 2: a fifteen hundred or you know, even the Gladiators of
Speaker 2: Poker as well as everything up to one hundred K.
Speaker 2: We don't really sure. So I don't think him being
Speaker 2: an anchor is horrible. I just don't like how they
Speaker 2: finished that drop with the with the Boggain.
Speaker 1: Players Glue Factory. That was Danny Cipo's team. He got
Speaker 1: Phil Ivy for ninety five. Ivy's back. I guess he's back, babies,
Speaker 1: Nacho Barbaro for fifty nine. John Kite for twenty six,
Speaker 1: who we had on our bargain list, has been having
Speaker 1: some success recently. Believe he's a British player and has
Speaker 1: a pretty big poker steak offering out there. Brock Wilson
Speaker 1: for five, Giorgio's Sodoropolis for three, Cherish Andrews for three,
Speaker 1: Andrew Lichtenberger for one, Ian Steinman for eight. They stole
Speaker 1: Ian Steinman for us.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love that Boggin players.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, No, No, I mean, is Andrew Lichtenberger playing
Speaker 1: poker again?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I could not tell you what he's going to be doing.
Speaker 2: They have Look, they have five of the they have
Speaker 2: the five hull to him field bonus people right there
Speaker 2: like a Brock. They got Georgia's, they a Cherish, they
Speaker 2: got Lucky Chewi, they got Ian Steinman. They could hit
Speaker 2: all five of those, could finish top twenty seven. In
Speaker 2: the monster stack, sure like. I mean, their team's very
Speaker 2: no limit holding base and obviously Dan Sepio being a
Speaker 2: no limbit guy. That doesn't make a lot of sense
Speaker 2: knowing those players better. But I like how they finished
Speaker 2: the draft, to be honest, I don't like Ivy for
Speaker 2: the ninety five or who knows how Ivy I just
Speaker 2: don't know when he's showing up.
Speaker 1: I think I don't like Nacho for fifty nine.
Speaker 2: I think that seems the right value, though, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if i'd be willing
Speaker 1: to pay that one. Moving on to Girl Dads, that's
Speaker 1: Ryan Reese's team.
Speaker 2: VI's of Ryan and Jesse's team, by the way, but.
Speaker 1: Jesse's not here, but he's on fine, he's only yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on the team for one dollars. This is they
Speaker 1: always split the team, No, I know, Okay, so Jesse
Speaker 1: Lonie hundred and three, Patrick Leonard thirty, David Funkouser twenty three,
Speaker 1: Nick Papillo ten, Brad Owen twelve, Christian Roberts fifteen, A
Speaker 1: Romozobian one Ethan yao. That's Rampage for one. I mean
Speaker 1: this team, I got no idea what's going on here.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of David Funkauser as a pick. I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of Patrick Leonard as a pick. I cannot
Speaker 1: in a million years reconcile spending one hundred and three
Speaker 1: dollars on Jesse Lonis. I mean, I know he's hotter
Speaker 1: than ever right now. I love the guy. He's like
Speaker 1: an og gangster type of player. I just what one
Speaker 1: hundred and three? It seems a little, it seems outrageous,
Speaker 1: like what is happening? But I guess would you say
Speaker 1: that Pads was probably undervalued at thirty dollars? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: then I think maybe if you put them together for
Speaker 1: one thirty three, it's probably not hard if you look
Speaker 1: at it, try and look at it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But like, can you take that one hundred dollars if
Speaker 1: Pads is thirty and David Funkauser is twenty three, which
Speaker 1: I like those prices for those players, you know, can
Speaker 1: you take that one hundred dollars for Jesse Loonis and
Speaker 1: you know, spin it into something else, Like, for example,
Speaker 1: you could have spent sixty six dollars on Alex Foxen,
Speaker 1: who is gonna play likely the same exact stuff as
Speaker 1: Jesse Lonis maybe even a few more things and is
Speaker 1: probably a little bit of a better player. And even
Speaker 1: if he's not a better player, even if they're the
Speaker 1: exact same player, you get essentially forty dollars to spend
Speaker 1: elsewhere and you're not you know, taking Rampage and Aramzobian
Speaker 1: and you know those picks.
Speaker 2: Like you can basically get the Grondin for that price too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's just yeah, I can't I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine paying one all three for Jesse Lonis,
Speaker 1: you know, but hey, it's it's his team, so whatever,
Speaker 1: uh Frog poison, this is Martin Zemani's team. Got Scott
Speaker 1: Sever for one to twenty five, Dylan Smith for sixty four.
Speaker 1: I like those two picks. I think I will say
Speaker 1: I'm a little burned by Scott sever but you know, whatever,
Speaker 1: it is, what it is, Ryan Lang for six. And
Speaker 1: then they rounded it out with a bunch of one
Speaker 1: dollar players. They got Mike Holton for one dollar, Noel
Speaker 1: Rodriguez for a dollar, George Woolf for a dollar, Sean
Speaker 1: Troja for a dollar, and David Stam for what says
Speaker 1: zero but it's really a dollar, Like I mean, this
Speaker 1: is similar to our strategy Superstars and Scrubs, so I'm
Speaker 1: always going to really like that strategy. I think Dylan
Speaker 1: Smith here is severely underpriced. It's sixty four dollars. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of surprised. I don't remember exactly what was going
Speaker 1: on with the team that Dylan Smith is a part
Speaker 1: of and why he wasn't in on himself, but sixty
Speaker 1: four dollars for Dylan Smith seems like an absolute freaking
Speaker 1: well he.
Speaker 2: Was in on the bidding. I think he just got
Speaker 2: to a point where this is a little too too expensive.
Speaker 1: But that's such a great price. I'd rather way rather
Speaker 1: have Dylan Smith for sixty four than Jesse Loans for
Speaker 1: one on three.
Speaker 2: I from memory, I think, you know, Martin didn't have
Speaker 2: too many people picked. I think Dylan seem already had
Speaker 2: a pretty strong base and maybe they just couldn't afford him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, you know, some of these one dollar players, I
Speaker 1: just kind of question volume. You know, I know Michael's
Speaker 1: will be there probably every single day, but how high
Speaker 1: is he gonna play?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And online doesn't count, right, Yeah, online does not count.
Speaker 1: I don't know about Noel Rodriguez in terms of his volume.
Speaker 1: I don't really know about George Wolf in terms of
Speaker 1: his volume. Sean Troja is literally omaha only yeap. So
Speaker 1: you know, while that's good, he's obviously very good at that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. And then David Stam is
Speaker 1: kind of a flyer, but you know whatever, no big deal,
Speaker 1: survivor sweat. This is odib's team. They got Michael monsec
Speaker 1: that's Texas Mike for eighty nine, Ben Yu for thirty one,
Speaker 1: Marco Johnson for forty nine, Danny Tang twenty six, Sam
Speaker 1: Lasquitz for a dollar, Tyler Monsek, who is the brother
Speaker 1: of Michael Monsek, for a dollar, Ali Islami for a dollar,
Speaker 1: and Esther Taylor for a dollar. So the first thing
Speaker 1: I want to talk about is this story that I
Speaker 1: talked with ODB afterwards. So he drafted Texas Mike, who
Speaker 1: is supposedly playing every single day as many frigging bullets
Speaker 1: as humanly possible. He basically told ODB, I think you know,
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing whatever, but that he would trade his first
Speaker 1: kid for winning Player.
Speaker 2: Of the Year.
Speaker 1: So he's ready to Wow, He's ready to Then he
Speaker 1: said that that ODB should draft his brother, who like
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to play poker, but Texas Mike will
Speaker 1: teach him, and Texas Mike will put him in everything,
Speaker 1: possibly the two fifty K. What this I read the
Speaker 1: text messages. I'm sorry if I'm outing you, ODB. I
Speaker 1: know you talked about it on a story, but this
Speaker 1: this actually happened. He's like, he's extremely experienced, but he's
Speaker 1: the smartest person I know. I will teach him and
Speaker 1: I will put him in everything up to twenty five
Speaker 1: k's and it's likely that he might even see him
Speaker 1: in the two fifty K. I mean, what in the
Speaker 1: what is his kid on?
Speaker 2: He cashed the five klass yea and that Paradise lost
Speaker 2: yer cash in a ten KGGMI.
Speaker 1: So I mean this is this is an outrageous pick,
Speaker 1: a crazy story if it happens to come to fruition
Speaker 1: and works out for ODB. But holy lord, this is wild,
Speaker 1: Like it's just the wild how this comes together. Danny Tang,
Speaker 1: I know ODIB is somewhat close with I really like
Speaker 1: that pick. Danny Tang's one of those guys where I
Speaker 1: can never really get in touch with or you know,
Speaker 1: get a schedule on I know Odib. If you listen
Speaker 1: to Odb's pod that he has with Adam Schwartz, he
Speaker 1: has talked about how he's kind of close with Danny Tang.
Speaker 1: So if he's making that pick, I like it. Marco Johnson,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's one of those ones where I
Speaker 1: know Odib's close to him, So I guess I trust
Speaker 1: him there. I just don't know me personally. And then
Speaker 1: Ben You, I mean, you're the guy who texted me
Speaker 1: the other day. What the heck has happened to Ben You?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that guy a year, so I don't
Speaker 1: know is he playing? I mean, I guess so, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: So there's that team Team Australia. They went and got
Speaker 1: James Ops. They got David Odib Baker, they got James
Speaker 1: Ops's ninety one, Baker was fifty one. They got Jerry
Speaker 1: Wong for nineteen, Brandon Shack Harris for thirty two, romayin
Speaker 1: Morvin for one dollar, did a garrant for a dollar,
Speaker 1: Ryan the Plant for a dollar, in the Mustapha Cannute
Speaker 1: for four dollars. I guess the one that sticks out
Speaker 1: to me is Brandon Jack Harris. If you're paying thirty
Speaker 1: two dollars for Brandon check Harris. I think you must
Speaker 1: know something like he's bad to be playing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that must be the thing, like or are you
Speaker 1: just looking at past results and going off of that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Handsome horses. This was Benny Glasser's team,
Speaker 1: along with Patrick Leonard and Craig Chait. They got Chatty
Speaker 1: Sledge for eighty seven, Chino Reem for forty five, Matthew
Speaker 1: Wantman for twenty one, Chris Unikan aka Big Huni for fifteen,
Speaker 1: Phil Sternheimer for twenty one, Tomash Gluzzco for a dollar
Speaker 1: That has to be like a bit big guy as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, Christopher Classan shout out, Spewey for
Speaker 1: two dollars, and then Lawrence Brandt for eight dollars. This
Speaker 1: the pick that sticks out to me that I would
Speaker 1: deem highly questionable is Philip Sternheimer for twenty one. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess he's first of all, it was weird that
Speaker 1: he wasn't here. He normally has a team.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was still a tryton, that would be my
Speaker 2: only guess, so, but he usually still as a team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I thought that that was it.
Speaker 1: That was interesting, and he normally doesn't play a lot
Speaker 1: of the tournaments, plays like some of the big stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll play. No. Last year he played a lot,
Speaker 2: but like he also dropped pretty sure he drofted himself
Speaker 2: lost year.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Team Liaison that was Andrew Ostopchenko's team. He
Speaker 1: drafted Yuri Zeveleski for one nineteen, David Coleman for seven dollars,
Speaker 1: John Manette for nineteen, Dario Alioto stole them from us,
Speaker 1: come on Man twenty five dollars, Thomas Taylor seven dollars,
Speaker 1: Samuel Muller for a dollar, Clemens Reuter for nine dollars,
Speaker 1: and then Andrew got himself Andrew Ostopchenko for one dollar.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about this team. I
Speaker 1: feel like they probably could have the John Manette pick
Speaker 1: I think questionable. John Manett is extremely good, but he
Speaker 1: put out there, you know, a tweet that is kind
Speaker 1: of questioning what sort of volume that he's gonna play,
Speaker 1: and see he's gonna stick to cash games. So I
Speaker 1: would be a little bit iffy there. And if you
Speaker 1: could ultimately like use that nineteen to turn it into
Speaker 1: somebody else, I don't necessarily know IM I'd have to
Speaker 1: dig a little bit further, but that's kind of the
Speaker 1: first thing that sticks out to me. The Hoggers. That
Speaker 1: was Dylan Smith, Chatty Sledge, that Florida group. They got
Speaker 1: Aaron Coopan who was over there with them at the
Speaker 1: table for forty two, Jake Schwartz for thirty one, Matt
Speaker 1: Lance for thirty five, Brian un for thirty four, Jason
Speaker 1: Mercier for forty one. That seems wild, Robert Wells for ten,
Speaker 1: Danny Wong for six, and David Bennumin for one. This
Speaker 1: is my least favorite type of build in the entire thing.
Speaker 1: I hate when you just go like a bunch of
Speaker 1: like thirty to forty dollars players. I hate it personally.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good thirty to forty dollar players. Though.
Speaker 1: Is Jason Rizyr playing tournaments?
Speaker 2: I feel like if anyone's going to draft him and
Speaker 2: spend money and it's the Florida guys, that means something.
Speaker 2: That's the way I see that.
Speaker 1: I mean yes and no. I mean I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but I mean if.
Speaker 2: Anyone knows I was sitting in that room, I feel
Speaker 2: like they probably have the most clue about Jason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's interesting. I mean, maybe it is.
Speaker 2: David Benjamin for a dollar. I'm not so sure about
Speaker 2: that one. Like, yeah, they could have got a lot
Speaker 2: of other dollar players, but I think they were. You
Speaker 2: know what, actually Dylan Smith said and this Dylan Smith
Speaker 2: was going to say Nick Milgram. He said Nick Milgram
Speaker 2: one dollar, and he goes, well, actually David Benjamin one dollar.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: So they could have Nick Milgram and that would have
Speaker 2: been very good. You know, they might not have got
Speaker 2: Nick for a dollar, but they would have That would
Speaker 2: have been a very very good mixed game team that
Speaker 2: this is all mixed games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, team Norri Norri drafting with Toby Lewis,
Speaker 1: they got Alex Livingston for eighty one. Also not in
Speaker 1: the room who has been in the room in the past,
Speaker 1: Alex Livingston justin slieb or forty those two, I believe
Speaker 1: our roommates during the Dibisipede. Jim Collapy for forty three,
Speaker 1: Maxim piece Aranco for twelve, Noah Bronstein for a dollar,
Speaker 1: Toby Lewis for a dollar, Gus Hansen for two dollars
Speaker 1: might be the surprise pick of the draft and then
Speaker 1: bow Ding for nine dollars. Baw Ding could come back
Speaker 1: to haunt Mickey and I, so ren Lynn had eight
Speaker 1: dollars remaining and bid eight on bow Ding. Now, I
Speaker 1: had been telling Mickey through my research, like this guy crushes,
Speaker 1: he crushes everything. It's just a matter of I have
Speaker 1: no idea if he's coming or not. So it's basically
Speaker 1: like if Reren throws him out there, then we know
Speaker 1: he's gonna be here. Yeah, and Ren threw him out
Speaker 1: there there for eight dollars. We had nine, and Mickey
Speaker 1: and I were like literally in the tank talking back
Speaker 1: and forth, and then the next thing, you know, Toby
Speaker 1: Lewis said nine.
Speaker 2: He looked at nine.
Speaker 1: Max, Well he said nine. So we had nine Max,
Speaker 1: so we couldn't go tank, but we were thinking about
Speaker 1: going night. Now that's not to say that teen noy
Speaker 1: would done ten, yeah, but that we kind of got
Speaker 1: caught up there. We were like should we do it?
Speaker 1: Should we not? Like what are we gonna do? Because
Speaker 1: we still didn't yet have our team filled out. We
Speaker 1: didn't have Milgrim, we didn't have Reichenstein, So we were like, well,
Speaker 1: should we do it? Should we not? You know, whatever
Speaker 1: it does seem like he's coming if friend's throwing him
Speaker 1: out there, so yeah, so that might come back to
Speaker 1: bite us in the end. The Gus Hansen one is
Speaker 1: an interesting pick because he was thrown out by somebody
Speaker 1: on the other side of the room. I forget who
Speaker 1: it might have been. Oh, it was the Hoggers. They
Speaker 1: threw him out because this is where you skipped I
Speaker 1: skipped one. And then anyway, they throw out him and
Speaker 1: then Daniel like jumps out of his seat. He's like
Speaker 1: what huh. And the way that it sounded from Daniel,
Speaker 1: who I think only had one dollar left to max
Speaker 1: bit on a player like had talked to Gus that
Speaker 1: he's playing, and he was basically saying to them across
Speaker 1: the room like, oh, did you talk to him? And
Speaker 1: Jake Schwartz is like basically like nodding like yes, And
Speaker 1: then I think I think Toby got word of that.
Speaker 1: I saw that it was like okay, two dollars and
Speaker 1: then he got him. So you know that's how that went.
Speaker 1: Toby also drafted himself because he I mean, I trust
Speaker 1: what he said. He said, Well, we don't know any
Speaker 1: other players left, so I'm drafting myself. Well what am
Speaker 1: I gonna do. So that's that team Team Splashy Occupy.
Speaker 1: We hit on this a little bit earlier. They got
Speaker 1: John Reudin for fifty four, They got John Raisner for
Speaker 1: fifty four, They got Roberts and Ms Rocky for forty.
Speaker 2: I like that pick.
Speaker 1: They got Eric Saidel for fifteen, Ray Hanson for three,
Speaker 1: Mike Gordinski for six, Mike Leah for three, Eric Baldwin
Speaker 1: for five. Tim and I had already hit on this team,
Speaker 1: so we'll skip past that one. We already talked about
Speaker 1: Daniel Lagarnage team and we did hear from him, so
Speaker 1: we'll skip past that one as well. We'll move to
Speaker 1: Eric Wasserson's team. So Eric Wasserson got himself for forty
Speaker 1: two dollars. He got Brian Rast fifty seven, Paul Volpi
Speaker 1: for fourteen, John Hennigan for eleven, David Peters for three,
Speaker 1: Darius Sammartino for fifteen, Sewn Winter for twenty two, and
Speaker 1: re renon Brushki for thirty six.
Speaker 2: A plus team.
Speaker 1: So this is this is the tam This is probably
Speaker 1: number one in A plus team if you were to
Speaker 1: grde it today based on skill, and that's that. But
Speaker 1: for me, it just comes down to volume, like how
Speaker 1: much of these guys are gonna play? I have no idea,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of the tricky thing there. I guess
Speaker 1: price per dollar for like what, or so I should
Speaker 1: say like tournaments per dollar, you know, for what I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna play. Also, how big I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna play. I like the David Peters pick at three
Speaker 1: dollars for them. I think that's a really good one,
Speaker 1: you know. I think obviously DPT's had the baby a
Speaker 1: long time ago, so you know, now it's more like
Speaker 1: kind of back to the grind type of stuff, and
Speaker 1: he's just an incredible player. So I really like him,
Speaker 1: especially when you get someone who's gonna play all those
Speaker 1: super high by and stuff.
Speaker 2: I mainly like this team because you're not gonna find
Speaker 2: them in any other tournament at any other location. Now. Yeah, look,
Speaker 2: the cash games may be pretty juicy, and they may
Speaker 2: be in those, but when it comes to tournaments, they're
Speaker 2: gonna play all the big stuff. At the World Series
Speaker 2: Mixed Game, they're gonna play all the ten k's to
Speaker 2: play the fifty k, they're gonna play the twenty five
Speaker 2: k horse, We're gonna play all of those ones, and
Speaker 2: you know, you look at these guys. Brian Rass obviously
Speaker 2: cares a lot about legacy. I think John Hennigan secretly
Speaker 2: does to Paul Volpi's, you know, right on that cusp
Speaker 2: of breaking into you know, having four or five six
Speaker 2: kind of bracelets. And then obviously Washerson got his bracelet
Speaker 2: at Paradise, so he might be itching to join some
Speaker 2: of his some of his peers. So that's why I
Speaker 2: like this team mainly because it's very WSP heavy and
Speaker 2: buying wise, very big.
Speaker 1: I just don't know about Darria Sam Martino in terms
Speaker 1: of volume. That would be my question there. Eric Washerson
Speaker 1: was kind of an ego pick, remember, he like got
Speaker 1: hundred percent got in on himself late and was.
Speaker 2: Like, that's why I think. I think he's gonna make
Speaker 2: some side bets and he might sure play big even
Speaker 2: more than than I know.
Speaker 1: You bring up the legacy thing with Brian Rast. My
Speaker 1: only concern there, Like we talked about Rast, Mickey and
Speaker 1: I and we think that he's an incredible player. He's really,
Speaker 1: really good. It's just that he has already ticked the
Speaker 1: box that he was going for, which is getting into
Speaker 1: the Poker Hall of Fame. So does he kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, just pull things back a little bit in
Speaker 1: terms of like going balls to the wall like he
Speaker 1: was when it was ahead of getting into the Poker
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. So that would be my concern there,
Speaker 1: and I just don't know, So, you know, we just
Speaker 1: you know, avoided that one. Moving on to Team BTG,
Speaker 1: I believe that stands for beyond the Game. This team
Speaker 1: is drafted by Bryce Jockey and Chris Brewer. They got
Speaker 1: Nick Waghenti for thirty eight, Dan Zach for thirteen, Stephen
Speaker 1: Chadwick for fifty one. He's their most expensive player. Adam
Speaker 1: Friedman for eighteen, Dylan Lindy for thirty six, Puna Punsrie
Speaker 1: for nineteen, Isaac Hackson for six, and owaysam Meed for nineteen.
Speaker 1: I think that nineteen on owaysa med was just an
Speaker 1: all in play at the end. Not sure how I
Speaker 1: feel about this one.
Speaker 2: I don't mind how they started until they got to
Speaker 2: put up Punsri. I'm not sure how much Punat will play.
Speaker 2: You know, same with Isaac and then same with Oays.
Speaker 2: But technically you could say Oays is a dull player,
Speaker 2: so that's fine, but not I think maybe for nineteen
Speaker 2: dollars they could have found someone, you know, maybe with
Speaker 2: a you know, they could have got a Phelipe Ramos
Speaker 2: who would have preferred much more of a put up Punsri.
Speaker 2: But who knows. I think they started well, they've got
Speaker 2: some guys that are going to play like all the mix,
Speaker 2: all the big stuff up to the fifty k Steven
Speaker 2: Shiitweks obviously they're the big no Olympic guy that might
Speaker 2: be in all those events on the two fifty, so
Speaker 2: we'll see. I don't hate this team at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, my question would be on dan Zach him
Speaker 1: going for thirteen. It just feels like people in that
Speaker 1: room have an idea maybe he's not lasting super super
Speaker 1: hard these days, so that would just be kind of
Speaker 1: my my concern there. Splash Sports this was formerly Team
Speaker 1: No Gamble in the Future, drafted by Jeff Platt and
Speaker 1: Brent Hanks. They got Nick Schol first off the board
Speaker 1: for one hundred and seven dollars. They got Renlin for
Speaker 1: forty two. They got Adrian Mittaos for twenty five, Renji
Speaker 1: Mao aka Ricky Mao for nine, Frank Brannon for five,
Speaker 1: Jason Kuhn for four, Christian Harder for seven, and Andrew
Speaker 1: Marino for one. Love the Nick Shulman pick. Don't totally
Speaker 1: hate the ren Lin pick. Adrian Matteos, I mean Adrian
Speaker 1: Mitaos for twenty five when Jesse Lonis is going for
Speaker 1: one oh three is a great pick. I feel like
Speaker 1: Renji mao. I know Mickey and I had him on
Speaker 1: our list, so I don't hate that pick as well.
Speaker 1: Frank Brannon, I know who this is. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what sort of schedule or what he's doing, so
Speaker 1: I just have kind of questions there. We did have
Speaker 1: Jason Kuon at the kind of the bottom of our
Speaker 1: high Rolder list. We did speak with him. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five K plus. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: it's it's fine, You're just not going to get the volume.
Speaker 1: Kun is an incredible player. Again, You're just not going
Speaker 1: to get that volume. Christian Harder, I like this pick,
Speaker 1: and then Andrew Moreno. It just kind of comes down
Speaker 1: to how often is he going to be ap type
Speaker 1: of stuff? Is he going to be venue hopping, playing
Speaker 1: the Venetian, playing win this type of stuff? But I get,
Speaker 1: you know, a one dollar flyer on Morenos is not
Speaker 1: not a bad thing at all. AJ's Eagles. That's AJ
Speaker 1: Kelsol's team. We got Max Coleman for seventy, Justin Liberto
Speaker 1: for thirty five, Arthur Morris for thirty eight. AJ drafted
Speaker 1: himself for twenty one, Carrie Katz for fourteen, King Callous
Speaker 1: for thirteen, Brian Hastings for a buck, and Martin Zemani
Speaker 1: for two dollars. An interesting team.
Speaker 2: Love Hastings for a dollar. I think Max Coleman might
Speaker 2: be overprized because you know, he hasn't been playing a
Speaker 2: full schedule oft PGT events like he used to now.
Speaker 2: Obviously he loves the mixed game stuff he always plays
Speaker 2: use but he used to always play the p Loo
Speaker 2: and the No Limit, but he's definitely dialed it down recently,
Speaker 2: so I'm not sure you know what that means for
Speaker 2: him when it comes to World Series. So that's the
Speaker 2: only pick I don't love at the Mars. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's you know, about in line with his schedule, you know.
Speaker 2: I think hay Stings Dalla. I think Carrie, you know,
Speaker 2: we talk sometimes, we talk a little bit of negative
Speaker 2: about Kerry, but when it comes to the World Series,
Speaker 2: I think we'll find him max Lay registering all the
Speaker 2: ten k's and all the high rollers, so at least
Speaker 2: he'll be putting in the volume and then say what
Speaker 2: you want to say about skill level or how much
Speaker 2: else he's going to play. But I don't think. I
Speaker 2: don't think fourteen if Dan didn't Dan Shack go for
Speaker 2: ten dollars, I think that's you know, about how'd Raley carry?
Speaker 2: I think over Nan Shak.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if Kerry's going to put in the volume,
Speaker 1: that's the question with him. If he's going to put
Speaker 1: in the volume, if he's going to be firing all
Speaker 1: those you know, ten k plus events, probably even five
Speaker 1: K plus events, it doesn't matter if they're max Lay
Speaker 1: reg then, and yeah, fourteen dollars is not a bad.
Speaker 2: For someone that lost their fantasy sports. I'm actually very
Speaker 2: surprised we don't carry doesn't get a team in this,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And I will also say that, you know,
Speaker 1: Carrie wants to win a brace like and that's I
Speaker 1: think in terms of like waking up every day, going
Speaker 1: back out there and battling. That's a good thing to
Speaker 1: have as a trait, you know, because you're you're still
Speaker 1: chasing essentially, what is a Poker Players Championship title, and
Speaker 1: that is a gold bracelet. Team Lady Gaga, that's ren
Speaker 1: Lyn's team. They got Adam Hendricks for thirty three, Alex
Speaker 1: Foxen for sixty six, Jo Vieira for eighty five, Anson
Speaker 1: Sang for a dollar, Kwan Zhao for a dollar, Jijiang
Speaker 1: Luau for five dollars, Dong Chen for a dollar, and
Speaker 1: then Joshua McCully for two dollars. I have no idea
Speaker 1: who Joshua McCully is. No offense is Australian as well.
Speaker 1: Dong Chen obviously has been drafted before. Kwan Zau scores
Speaker 1: very well. Anson Sang is another Asian player that they're on.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know that they do the whole like
Speaker 1: kind of stars and scrubs and then bring all these
Speaker 1: Asian players as you know, because they write down their
Speaker 1: names and pass them to you when they're nominating them. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the team we were going head to head
Speaker 1: with over Jeremy Osmas. I don't mind ren straategy. I
Speaker 1: think he takes a very similar strategy to Hours. So
Speaker 1: when it is ultimately Wren going to battle with our
Speaker 1: team on who we deem as the top guy. You know,
Speaker 1: it kind of gives me some confidence in that we're
Speaker 1: on the top guy together. You know, I would love
Speaker 1: to not have to pay one hundred and forty one dollars.
Speaker 1: Maybe we get a little bit of a break, but
Speaker 1: it is what it is. And uh yeah, the Jeremis
Speaker 1: that was Jeremy Becker's team and another Jeremy. But I
Speaker 1: don't know the other Jeremy Hakeem.
Speaker 2: Is that anything.
Speaker 1: I could not tell you. I know he's like got
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz on social media and whatnot. Forgive
Speaker 1: me for not knowing who you are. But josh Aria
Speaker 1: seventy one, Bryce Jockey sixty six, Jeremy Becker took himself
Speaker 1: for two dollars. He was thrown out there for a dollar.
Speaker 1: Jeremi Becker said, no two to me. Let's go ying
Speaker 1: Wee Lee for three dollars, Archur march Rosin for twenty eight,
Speaker 1: Dmitriybanovitch for twenty one, David bakes Baker for five dollars,
Speaker 1: and Elis parson In for a dollar. The Elis one
Speaker 1: is highly questionable to me. I know there's a fair
Speaker 1: amount of plo. I know there's a lot of high
Speaker 1: stakes plo just questionable to.
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, very questionable. You know, when will he get here?
Speaker 2: He does play a bit of hold him, you know
Speaker 2: in the Trent events, but will he do that here?
Speaker 2: But I think elis for a dollar versus Auta for
Speaker 2: twenty eight. You know, the Alto is the same where
Speaker 2: he's kind of a no limit hold him specialist. Does
Speaker 2: play some plo, but he is a high roller guy,
Speaker 2: and a high roller guy for twenty eight when his
Speaker 2: volume is going to be I would say on the
Speaker 2: lower side is probably a little a little too pricey,
Speaker 2: but otherwise really don't mind much of how the other
Speaker 2: team is built.
Speaker 1: Money. Mondays that is Dan Fleischman's team. He got his
Speaker 1: patented phil Holm youth seventy nine dollars, Calvin Anderson for
Speaker 1: fifty one. Mickey and I were he was in our plans,
Speaker 1: was Calvin Anderson. But as we spoke to Calvin Anderson,
Speaker 1: I believe he said he capped himself at forty dollars,
Speaker 1: but obviously goes for fifty one here. Ryan Rees for eleven,
Speaker 1: Kristin far for thirty one, Jared Blessnick for six, Joe
Speaker 1: Katta for a buck, Dan Smith for six, and then
Speaker 1: Ben Lamb for fifteen. Yeah, I mean this is an
Speaker 1: interesting team. I mean it really depends on Phil Hellmuth.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got to carry things. Is he gonna
Speaker 1: take days off? Is he gonna be battling every single
Speaker 1: day or is he gonna be like, I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit too tired. I'm gonna go do whatever. So that's questionable.
Speaker 1: Cal is kind of an enigma. You know, if he
Speaker 1: shows up every single day, he's obviously one of the
Speaker 1: best players out there. It's just a question if he's
Speaker 1: going to show up every single day. Jared Blesnik did
Speaker 1: share on social media he doesn't know how much he's
Speaker 1: gonna play, So who knows with him? Who knows if
Speaker 1: that was him just kind of putting that out there.
Speaker 1: Who knows if he is actually going to be super
Speaker 1: busy and not gonna be able to play a lot.
Speaker 1: I could not tell you what Jared Blesnik is gonna do.
Speaker 1: If Jared Wilsnink does show up and play a good
Speaker 1: handful of events, then you know, yeah, he's probably worth
Speaker 1: six bucks. And then the last team Team Brown. That
Speaker 1: was Andrew Brown and you've all Bronstein's team they got
Speaker 1: You've all for forty four dollars. They got Phil Hue
Speaker 1: for thirty dollars. They got Joe Cooden for fourteen, Jeff
Speaker 1: Madsen for eleven, Philipe Ramos for eighteen, Andrew Brown got
Speaker 1: himself for two dollars, Scott Bowman for nine, and Matt
Speaker 1: Vangrin for nine, and they were left with sixty three
Speaker 1: dollars on the table, which seems like a freaking absurdity.
Speaker 1: I don't know what this team is doing leaving sixty
Speaker 1: three dollars on the table, but here we are.
Speaker 2: I don't hate that team. I just I don't really
Speaker 2: like the scup Almond pick because you never know how
Speaker 2: much SCUP ballmost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we kind of talked with him.
Speaker 2: I liked everything else. I don't think he's a he's
Speaker 2: necessarily a good pick. Phelipe Ramos for eighteen dollars seems
Speaker 2: like a bit of his. I mean, wads is thirty.
Speaker 2: I feel like Philippe for eighteen is decent. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean we spoke with Philip, we got an idea of
Speaker 2: his schedule. We we nominated him, right, we nominated Filipe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I mean we were priced out to go to eighteen.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know, I know Chad Holloway from Poker News,
Speaker 2: you know, our friend is big on Jeff Madson. He
Speaker 2: kept telling us to draft Jeff Madson. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if Jeff Madisen is gonna show up and play
Speaker 2: everything a series of pokm maybe for Jeff Madison. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the problem with with Brown Dog's team is that he
Speaker 2: started very late. He didn't have anyone on his team
Speaker 2: for quite a while, and I think that kind of
Speaker 2: threw out all the strategy. Well whether he had a
Speaker 2: strategy or not is a different thing, but you know,
Speaker 2: he dropped juve all very light, so he was kind
Speaker 2: of left with you know, didn't have much of the
Speaker 2: stars left. So he did have to build an interesting team,
Speaker 2: I would say, but I don't think it's horrible. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, Andrew Brown could be playing all the mixed
Speaker 2: games saying with Scott Balman, and.
Speaker 1: Brown said after he picked himself, he like kind of
Speaker 1: blurted out, not super loud, but said like, I'm playing
Speaker 1: foreigner came by ins. So I mean, who knows if
Speaker 1: that's true or not. That could also be one of
Speaker 1: those things where yeah, you have foreigner came by ins
Speaker 1: on paper, are you actually ever gonna fully play foreigner
Speaker 1: Camby ins? I mean maybe if you bust everything on
Speaker 1: day one, it can happen, yes, but it's probably likely
Speaker 1: not to get to that that amount. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean interesting team. I just I don't agree with not
Speaker 1: trying to spend every single dollar because you know, if
Speaker 1: you left sixty three dollars on the table, like you
Speaker 1: obviously could have spent on a lot of other players.
Speaker 1: You know, Jeff Madson, for example, could have been Dylan Smith.
Speaker 1: You know, fully Bramos could have been Dying Smith. Joekuton
Speaker 1: could have been doing so like stuff like that, right,
Speaker 1: you know, any of them could have been Alex Foxon
Speaker 1: for example. So you have a lot of those things
Speaker 1: that you're probably leaving yourself scratching your head afterwards. You know.
Speaker 1: I think last year we were left with a good
Speaker 1: chunk of money at the end, just with the way
Speaker 1: that things shook out, and we hated it. You know,
Speaker 1: I think we were left with like twenty bucks or something.
Speaker 1: We were just like what the hell, like, you know,
Speaker 1: with the way that things kind of broke. It just
Speaker 1: didn't work out in our favor that way last year.
Speaker 1: This year, that we did share to maneuver correctly at
Speaker 1: the end of the draft so that we could maximize
Speaker 1: every single dollar. All right, you got any like top
Speaker 1: two or three favorite teams who sticks out? Now, you
Speaker 1: don't need to name us, I got it. You don't
Speaker 1: got to play favorites.
Speaker 2: No, I do like your team. Like I said, I
Speaker 2: do like Wasas's team because it's very world Series centric.
Speaker 2: I do like Negrano's and I'm mainly because you know,
Speaker 2: there's maybe a chance, you know, he's got a couple
Speaker 2: of friends on his team, maybe he clips a couple
Speaker 2: of little bankroll boosters to get them in some events
Speaker 2: they might not have played. So that's pretty That's kind
Speaker 2: of the thing that stands out to me. Those three teams.
Speaker 2: I do like gren Lin's team, Lady Gaga with the
Speaker 2: the fellow Chinese players that people won't know or recognize.
Speaker 2: But obviously, if you're in poker and see these results
Speaker 2: and follow along, you know that obviously Anson Tean multi
Speaker 2: bracelet winner, Kwanzu, and Dung Jit, they all had a
Speaker 2: huge World Series last year, so wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 2: you know, they did pretty well. And I just received,
Speaker 2: you know, text message from Lady Gaga's drafting teammate Adam
Speaker 2: Hendrix asking, do you know, like who these the king?
Speaker 2: Tell me who the team's are, like, who's behind the
Speaker 2: team names? Wren wants to make side bets, So Reren's
Speaker 2: probably very confident on his team, even though he's not
Speaker 2: on it. And yeah, I think those are the kind
Speaker 2: of four teams that I would be, you know, eyeing
Speaker 2: as being the favorites.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in love with our team. I feel
Speaker 1: like this is probably the best I've felt coming out
Speaker 1: of a draft, and it's probably because everyone that we drafted,
Speaker 1: all eight of the players were on our lists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes I didn't get that very often. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just kind of get stuck. Maybe you don't
Speaker 1: have enough money, or people are going for too much
Speaker 1: where you kind of projected them, or things don't break
Speaker 1: a certain way. You know. For us, it was very
Speaker 1: it was it was kind of key how we navigated
Speaker 1: the first part of the draft because we wanted to
Speaker 1: get Ozma's first and we wanted to go for Reared
Speaker 1: in second. Now, if there was a world like last
Speaker 1: year where somebody threw out John Reard and I think third,
Speaker 1: then I mean we really wanted Ozmas and John Reard,
Speaker 1: but if there was a chance that let's say weird
Speaker 1: and got nominated first, it kind of screws up our
Speaker 1: whole strategy. So, I mean, it's luck the fact that
Speaker 1: when I drew a card we got to nominate third.
Speaker 1: So we were like, Okay, this is great, we can
Speaker 1: nominate early. If Osmas gets nominated in the first two bicks,
Speaker 1: we'll just grab him or we'll throw him out there,
Speaker 1: and then we'll ultimately get him, no big deal, and
Speaker 1: then we'll try and get rid and then we'll go
Speaker 1: from there.
Speaker 2: What did you think of I guess the one thing
Speaker 2: that shocked me when it comes to like the individuals
Speaker 2: was shown Dabey I think going for ninety nine dollars
Speaker 2: when Nigrano is a you know, one away Osmas won
Speaker 2: forty one, you know jesse Wan tre Wan twenty five,
Speaker 2: shown Dave not playing a full series.
Speaker 1: I just think people kind of sour on people for
Speaker 1: whatever reason.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily anything. I mean, it's also
Speaker 1: like when did deeb get thrown out? Did certain people
Speaker 1: who would have been high on him, Like basically there
Speaker 1: was a world where let's say we don't get Jeremy Osmas.
Speaker 1: Now I think it was a small world. Yes, but
Speaker 1: let's say some crazy thing happens. We're one and Renland
Speaker 1: says one ninety three. I mean our second pick was Deep, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, then if we're in on the
Speaker 1: bidding on Deep, is he more one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty right, because we're just willing to bid,
Speaker 1: bid bid that type of thing. So it also kind
Speaker 1: of goes down to like who's bidding on who and
Speaker 1: how they feel about it, and that's just how things
Speaker 1: kind of shake out. I just think it's all kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. But I mean, I love it again. I
Speaker 1: love our team, you know. I love that we got
Speaker 1: Ozma's you know, I think he's the the one in
Speaker 1: the one to one, you know, on a draft board.
Speaker 1: So we just need him to run hotter than the sun.
Speaker 1: So basically run like Jeremy Osmas and we'll be will
Speaker 1: be good to go. Another thing that Mickey and I
Speaker 1: are big on, we're big on mental game, like and
Speaker 1: Jeremy Ausines is a great example. I don't care how
Speaker 1: bad Jeremy Ausins runs the summer. He's gonna show up
Speaker 1: every single day. Yeah, probably have a smile on his face,
Speaker 1: probably ask me how I'm doing. We might talk about
Speaker 1: our kids, whatever, and he's gonna go in there and
Speaker 1: he's gonna blast, and it just doesn't matter. You know,
Speaker 1: some players you kind of tend to avoid, at least
Speaker 1: we tend to avoid because you just don't know if
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like I need a few days off.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I'm kind of sulking. Oh, listen to
Speaker 1: this bad beat whatever is. You know, like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't want any of that negative energy around this. You know,
Speaker 1: we want all the positive energy stuff. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think we got plenty of that on our squad.
Speaker 1: All right, cool, well, I think that's going to do
Speaker 1: it for us. It's still code work.
Speaker 2: I had to listen to Auso about a code wether
Speaker 2: no code work this week.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well you're the code work guys.
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Speaker 1: good summer everyone. It is officially day one of the
Speaker 1: World Series of Poker. Here we combined it with the
Speaker 1: twenty five K Fantasy Draft. Tomorrow, Tim and I will
Speaker 1: be at Horseshoe. We will be at Paris. We will
Speaker 1: be in the thick of things. I cannot wait to
Speaker 1: see how it goes. I have seen a lot of
Speaker 1: kind of mixed reviews on the registration and the WSP
Speaker 1: plus app stuff. So we're not heading other Ananda jumping
Speaker 1: to no, hell, no, I'm I mean, we've done enough today.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. I need to get out of I'm mitching,
Speaker 2: mitching to get out of there.
Speaker 1: You're not itching to get over there. But tomorrow you
Speaker 1: can see stuff on social media. Yes, I want to
Speaker 1: see it in person, you know, I want to see
Speaker 1: the lines, I want to possibly talk to some people,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. I think it's one of
Speaker 1: those things from everything that I can tell on social
Speaker 1: where it's a giant pain to go through the process,
Speaker 1: to stand in a long line. Of course, no one
Speaker 1: likes to do that. But once you're past all of that,
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of the WSP plus app is incredible.
Speaker 1: You know, people are showing screenshots, they got their table
Speaker 1: draw right there, like all that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 1: it's just that kind of initial growing pain that people
Speaker 1: are going to have to get through. I do hope
Speaker 1: this is obviously something much further down the road. I
Speaker 1: don't hope you don't. You have to go through this
Speaker 1: whole verification process every single year. I hope it's like
Speaker 1: a one time thing hopfulley, I mean hopefully. We don't know.
Speaker 1: We won't know until next year, but obviously we will see,
Speaker 1: all right, for Tim Duckworth, for myself and also for
Speaker 1: producer Rich Ryan. We are out of here and we
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Speaker 2: So ya a