Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to a brand new episode
of the Poker Go Podcast. It is Tuesday, May twenty seventh.
It is officially the first day of the twenty twenty
five World Series of Poker, but we are not at
the WSP yet. Tim and myself are here at the
Poker Grow Studio. We just wrapped up the famous twenty
five K Fantasy Draft, hosted by none other than Daniel
Negraan new who we will hear from on this episode.
We do have both audio and video from Daniel that
we will play for you in a little bit. Tim,
my friend, look at this guy.
Speaker 2: I'm so tired.
Speaker 1: How long does the draft? How long does the draft go?
We started, I don't even know if we started on time.
Speaker 2: We started a little light one fifteen, maybe one twenty.
Speaker 1: It's five hours, a record twenty four teams believe it's
never gotten into the twenties. Every single year, Daniel's like
it's gonna be over twenty. I'm getting interest. I'm getting interest.
Of course, you know, day of people bail, you know,
But this year, twenty four, brand new record, absolutely freaking
massive churnout. The room was packed, one hundred and ninety
two players needed to be drafted. For those that don't know,
you guys can go to twenty five k fantasy dot com.
You can see all the teams. You can read you
know history, you can look at past results just two
years ago. Just make sure you look at the result
when we won. The rules are all on there, all
that sort of good stuff. So you know, Tim and
I will hit on some stuff. He was the auctioneer
once again. A good job by you, thank you. I
mean it was a it was a tall task.
Speaker 2: The easiest thing to do. It was as you have.
He's look, there's people that are listening to this podcast.
I'm going to complain about them. David Baker, David odb
Biker is like a mass He just just does this.
He doesn't even put his hand out. He just kind
of like one dollar, like I can't see it. And
I miss people's bids, Like you need to just through
the handoff.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what we need, we need we
need auction paddles. Next time.
Speaker 2: No one would use them, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: I know, we still need them. And if you don't
use them, you don't get your bidden. That's the rule.
And people damn paddle in the air. Let's pet it's
just on one side it can be the twenty five
K logo and on the other side you can write
your name, your team name, you know, so just the
people that can kind of know what's what's going on.
Speaker 2: And I just love to quite the full use of
the clock to get that one.
Speaker 1: I think you, I think you have to do that.
And I know Mickey who's off camera, my drafting partner,
my co owner of our team, team dp MD. If
you head to twenty five k Fantasy dot Com, I
mean it's hard because you wanted to like slow down.
You don't want to just be like going one dollar
one dollar, one dollar, one dollar, because next thing you know,
it's just going to keep skying the price. Right, So
when you get to the part where you think it's
gonna slow down, when you're kind of reaching that ceiling
of where you think a player might land, okay, then
you start going slow once again. Yours truly picked the
most expensive player. I'm just every year, I'm just going
to try and set a new record. That's that's the goal.
Speaker 2: Is this what is the highest paid player ever of
all time?
Speaker 1: Jeremy, if you're listening, let's f and go buddy, come on,
let's f and go. You got to do it.
Speaker 2: He's spending some of the World Series in Coloradoway's family.
Speaker 1: No stop, get out of here.
Speaker 2: I spoke from him. He told me he's like, I'm
missing two weeks in the middle to.
Speaker 1: And Brent Hanks tried to tell me that come July first,
he's not going to be playing anymore. Yeah, okay, whatever, guys, whatever,
But yeah, I mean, listen, it was it was I
think a good draft overall, you know, all things considered, again,
I think you did a really good job just kind
of keeping everything uh moving. There were a few hiccups,
not not your fault. When you know team's bid or whatever,
it's kind of you know, we didn't hear like like
you said. You know, there are some teams that are
they're very quiet with their bidding where they come in
like very much last minute, you know. Or there's also
the time when like some but you'll say fifteen and
then like seven teams will say sixteen. Yeah, and it's like, oh,
what's going on?
Speaker 2: And the thing is, I normally take the one that
I see with the hand ups. If you don't put
your hand up, you're not going to get the benefit
of the doubt there, and you also mentioned it twenty
four teams they don't fit, you know, some teams of
four people, five people. It's the whole studio is full,
and like I'm kind of like left and right, so
it does get a little difficult to see the entire
room in one viewpoint. Maybe we need to change the
set up a little bit. Next to you, But hey,
did my best, and I'm surprised I didn't lose my voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen with how much this thing has grown,
you know, I kind of did just complain on the
last podcast. How I'm surprised that this hasn't grown by
like one and a half entries on average every single year.
But we did get a big boost this year, so
that's really cool. I'm sure that big boost will carry
over to Odb's Fantasy League, which is the five hundred
dollars buying fantasy league that you can get into, but
you use the prices that were set in the twenty
five K fantasy league. So again, go to twenty five
fancy dot com and you guys can find all the
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all right. Twenty five K Fantasy A quick rundown of
how it works auction draft. Everyone starts with two hundred
dollars that they can bid with, and you know, you
go around. One team nominates someone. There's a whole bunch
of bidding. Tim here is the one who's like going once,
going twice, sold to so and so. You have to
fill up your team of eight players. And then when
it's all said and done, the scoring is based on
how these players do in World Series of Poker events.
Only live events count. There are how many events don't count?
Tag team doesn't count. I think that's it. I think
everything else counts. Ladies, ladies count, senior count employees. No,
I think it does. I'm pretty sure it does. But
all the big stuff again, you guys can follow it
on twenty five K fantasy dot com. I'm sure Tim
and I will be talking about on the podcast regularly,
as we always do. We will also be you know,
sharing on social media various stuff. I know poker News.
I know poker dot org they dedicate some resources to
tracking stuff on poker news. They have little badges for
all the players. They try and track the players. I
know poker dot org is working closely with David Baker
ODB on stuff where they're going to do more coverage.
And I believe I heard on odb's pod that poker
dot org is playing to have kind of a dedicated
reporter to the twenty five K Fantasy League all summer long,
So there's that as well.
Speaker 2: They're also giving away ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, poker dot org is given away a ten thousand
dollars seat. I don't know the exact link, but if
you just go to poker dot org, I'm sure you
can find it, or you can check the parkers.
Speaker 2: Like two days and you submit a team onder the
same kind of rules that ADIB runs and they I
believe you win a ten thousand dollars seat to a
Las Vegas tournament. So that could also mean PGT event.
Ope baby Pokemasa's hope baby. Some of that, you know, Like,
I don't think it's necessarily WSP bound, but but yeah,
that's kind of pretty cool. I'm going to be entering
my team.
Speaker 1: So listen, no free ads, but they just got a
really good free ad, so poker dot org to check
that out. All right, I want to know from you, sir, okay.
I was in the draft, so like, what what are
sort of your initial big picture takeaways? Was it a
shock to see, for example, US going up to one
forty one on Jeremy Osmas. You know, like I feel
like sitting there, Mickey and I are going back and
forth with this time it was rent Linn, and I
feel like, you know, it's us in ren Linn. But
then there's you know, twenty two other teams that are
looking at me like I'm an absolute alien out there.
Speaker 2: The first thing coming into this, I was thinking, look,
there's five six teams more than normal, and I know
not if people know how to adjust to the job process, right,
because what does this mean? Does it mean I take
the Jeremy Osmas for one hundred and fifty bucks and
then find all the dollar plays five hours later, or
do I do something different? Like there's no precedent for
a draft size this week, so I knew the strategies
were all out the window. The second thing I noticed
is that some people are idiots. There's no research, there's
no look you and Mickey very well prepared. I looked
at others. I look at their sheets. I'd like to
see who their stars are. Not going to give anything away,
but I just like, I like to see how prepared
people are. And you see these guys, you know, with
all these names columnize. You know, we want this one,
we don't want to touch these ones. And then you
see dance Apo mon Zamani sitting there with a notepad
with names scribbled down and chicken scratch. You got other
people that I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: The best I know a team is. I mean, I'll
say they're drawing dead. I just don't worry about them.
When I see on their computer screen they're just looking
at like twenty five k fantasy dot com from last year.
I'm like, okay, you are drawing dead like you're just
looking at the past result. You have no idea what's
going on. Okay, cool, that's good, you know, But there
were a lot of teams that I felt like had
I mean, I didn't like, you know, I'm not trying
to look at every one's notes, but you can see
them if you just walk around the room or whatever.
And there was a lot of people who had like
a lot of spreadsheets. They were They definitely brought preparation,
you know, which which made things a bit harder overall.
Speaker 2: So I think like the back the back end of
the draft, right where it's you know, half the teams
are gone and now pretty much wherever you nominate you're
gonna get. I think that's where it's your team is made, right.
And I don't know how prepared people are, like how
long their list of the one dollar players is, you know,
And you know, we had some wrinkles in this. We
had an Australian team throwing out some Australian names that
kind of mix things up. But I think that's where
your team has made right, when you you lock up
that star player like you guys did Jeremi Ozas, and
then you can get these really high valued one dollar
players that are going to like perform at a better
dollar to point average than you know, some other people
that are get drafted. And you can look at these
names and you'll see that, Okay, he's super valued. He's
super valued. And even you have people that you know,
there's one name that stands out that didn't even get drafted.
Did you know what I'm thinking, Alan Kesler didn't get drafted.
Oh yeah, yeah, I must say Alan Kessel is the
best park of player in the world. But you get
in what are we getting seventy events from him? Maybe?
Who knows he's gonna be in the ten k mixes.
He's going to play the little stuff. Whether you think
he's good, it's just a volume player you could have got.
You look at all these the eighth player drafted for
all these teams. I feel like Alan Kessa might be
better than half of them. Yeah, value wise, say value.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. You know, I think I think
people kind of struggle at the end of the draft
and they just start throwing out names that they know
or have heard. And I know Alankester is not always
the most popular player within that room, but uh yeah,
normally he does make an appearance. By the way, he
didn't make an appearance this time on specially the helmet appearance,
you know, as he.
Speaker 2: Was getting nominated and on, which was like the's timing possible. Yeah,
that was impeccable.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. I guess. Just a quick aside, if
you guys did miss the draft, and you do want
to go check it out and see what it's about,
you can head to the poker go dot com YouTube channel.
We did stream the entire draft from start to finish,
so that is available. I know there were plenty of
people that were tuned in. The chat was extremely active throughout,
so if you want to go back and check that out,
you are certainly welcome to do.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about your team, and then let's talk
about teams we like, or we could just like kind
of whatever stands out to us. I think that's the
best way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, draft is over. So last episode
when we were doing the predictions and I want you know,
one of the questions was who's the favorite twin player
of the year. My favorite twin player of the year
is Jeremy Osmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I backed out from saying it on that episode because
I didn't want people to listen in and possibly get
an idea that we were going to be taking him.
That was the player. Mickey and I decided that, you know,
we agreed, this is the guy we we're essentially going
to go all in on. And to be honest, as
I was bidding and going back and forth with Renlin,
I thought I was gonna have to go to one
ninety three. It got to the point where I was like,
here we go.
Speaker 2: If we're talking about peop without a strategy, it could
be red Lane. I felt like you you too.
Speaker 1: At one point, Renlan looked at me and he said,
I got a whole bunch of one dollar players. I'm like, yeah, okay,
so do I buddy, Like, what do you want me
to do?
Speaker 2: It's it was when you guys were going at it.
I wish there was There's no a duck un draft order, right.
Speaker 1: No, but I will say that. So the first player
nominated was Nick Shulman, and he went for over one
hundred dollars. It was one hundred and seven, which, listen,
Mick and I were both Mickey and I were both
very big on Nick Shulman. But it's one of those
things where we know if we want Ozmas ultimately we
can't also get Shulman. I mean, maybe there is a
world where, you know, some miracle, you know, fantasy universe
where that happens, but it's very likely that's not going
to happen, Okay. I was surprised to see that Nick
did push up over one hundred. Now it's again, it's
not that we don't agree that he is that type
of player, it's just that in the past he hasn't
gotten that high. He's been a bit lower. He's been
like in the seventies, I think if I recall so,
so that was interesting to start, but then once that happened,
I mean my initial thought was, Okay, we are going
to have to go to the one thirties, one forties
for our top guy, Jeremy Osmas. You know, Mickey the
freaking goat. He's like, Jeremy Austmas is probably going to
go for one hundred and forty. That was like his
projected number what he had, and he ended up going
for one forty one. So Mickey had that very much nailed.
But it could have also went the other way, where
was like, Okay, well maybe if everyone's kind of all
in on Shulman, maybe then they're not all in on Ozmas,
you know. So so yeah, I mean, ultimately it just
it came down to ren Linn and I and we
were going back and forth one dollar piece. To be honest,
I don't really understand the strategy from these other teams.
If you're bidding against me and you're up to one forty.
Why are you not continuing to just go? Especially bren
Lynn who claims that he has a one dollar player, Like,
I don't. I don't like one forty is your cap?
Like what is this cap?
Speaker 2: Did you have a cap on Jeremy?
Speaker 1: That's no, the cap was one ninety three, which is
the mac CONFIGU teammate Mickey, Yeah, damn. And we I mean,
I'll tell you what our plan was. If it got
to like one seventy five. I was saying one ninety three,
because you can at that point you can't risk not
getting that player if that's who we want. So it's like,
at some point you can't risk like possibly saying if
he says one seventy five, I say one seventy six.
Then he says one ninety three, Like we don't want
to risk that. So we were like, okay, fine, here
we go. If it gets that high, I'm just gonna
have to say the number like I mean, and then
we're gonna leave the room for four hours and come
back and try and draft a bunch of one dollar players.
That was the plan. But like, I don't understand that
strategy Another strategy that I don't understand is these teams.
There was several of them today, and there is several
of them every year. They're in on like every player
that gets nominated. I'm like, what mind? So weird to me,
it seems like you should just you should pick your
kind of target guys and you should go after them. Now,
speaking of target guys and pulling this back to our team,
everyone that we got on our team all A players.
We got Jeremy Osmas, Seth Davies, Stevensong, John Shorman, Boris Angelov,
Tommy Coral, Nicholas Milgrim, and Urie Reichenstein we had on
our list, So they were targeted players from US. Now
that some of them were a bit further down the list, yes,
because obviously players get taken from you, you get out bid,
all that sort of stuff. But we got everyone that
we set out that was on a list. We didn't
have to pull any audibles. We didn't have to, like,
you know, randomly be like, oh, we got to pull
this guy in because all of our guys are gone. No.
So I feel good in the preparation that we did.
I will also admit that at some point it did
feel a little touch and go because some of the
players were getting thrown out from some other teams who
had more money and they were bidding on them. So yeah,
so it was it was an interesting draft. Our plan
a coming into it was Ozma's at Ozmas. First. We
love the fact that we drew the three card to
nominate third so that we could nominate Ozmas and just
go get him right away. And then we wanted the
King John Reardan.
Speaker 2: How much did they spend on Real fifty four?
Speaker 1: We went all in at fifty three and we got
out bid.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of that today.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's just outrageous by that team.
It's definitely from the set Davies pick.
Speaker 2: The reason being is obviously there's gonna be some high
roles here in the studio, so we may lose him
for that, but is he gonna fall in that kind
of Jason Kuhn category with.
Speaker 1: Seth Davey said, everything Nolan had hold him in PLO
ten k pluk, A bunch of stuff below that, I'm
gonna be firing hard. He's ready to go. You know
Another thing that that we did, Mickey and I is
we spoke to pretty much everyone on our team. I mean,
we didn't speak to Stephen Song, but we don't We
don't need to speak to Stephen Song. We know about
Steven Song, and we didn't speak to bors Angelo, but
we had secondhand information from somebody invested in our team
about Boris Angelov. Everyone else. We had direct messages from
going back and forth to them. Hey, this is like
kind of what I'm planning whatever. I had no idea
how to reach Ury Richton sign. I've always wanted to
draft him, and I got ahold of his email, fired
off an email the guy replied in thirty minutes. Without
thirty minutes. I was like, this guy is in ready
to go, ready to f and go. So, Uri Baby,
you are our field bonus king. Please make it happen.
You and Stephen Song. I'm expecting two big field bonuses.
Speaker 2: Can you can you throw us some some one dollar players?
You you had, you you were targeting if say the
Nick Milgrims, Tom Carl's, Uri Richard Signs didn't didn't come
you away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we had Ian Steinmann again, who who came?
We nominated him and then somebody immediately said eight dollars
or something. So I mean that was, yeah, that was unfortunate.
We had Ryan Lang on our team or on our list.
We had he went early, didn't he? Yeah, fairly early.
We had Renji Mao Ricky who ended up getting picked
up by.
Speaker 2: That was the best part of the So, for those
who's not aware, rend Land gives me these names. So
I don't know if he saw he wrote the names down.
He always does this, he's very great. This time he
wrote them in Chinese, in Chinese characters. I don't read that.
I can read my name in Chinese. Then the real name.
He probably just thought fellow Asian. Maybe there's a shot. Yeah,
And I was like, I think I got the pronunciation
pretty well because I had to ask him like did
I pronounce this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, but like you definitely butchered some others.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm terrible for those, I'm terrible at pronunciation,
but I do my best. And then he had Renjie Mao,
who's also Ricky Mao. I guess Ricky was sitting at
the table with them, and I think it was Brent
and someone else were bidding on him. Brent didn't even
know he was sitting there. Renji brought out his camera
and was filming it as he was getting bid on
a bit like Phil Holmer. So I already love this guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's going pretty hard. He's got a big package.
Speaker 2: He so big for him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean we had a bunch of people,
you know, we had people. We don't necessarily call him
one dollar players. We call them bargain players because maybe
we need to get him for three, four or five
something like that. So one of our biggest guys is
somebody that we had last year, and that was Dario Alioto.
But you know, for whatever reason, other people were on
him and he went for a crap ton of money
and went for twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty something, and that was twenty five.
Speaker 1: We have to have the best hit rate our team
over the years of putting somebody on the map for
like sub five dollars and then all of a sudden,
they're John Reard and fifty four dollars. Yeah, Like we
were on Stephen Song, we were on Dario Alioto, you know,
we were on obviously John Reard, and like we've been
on all these guys for cheap. It goes back to
the whole genesis of the entire thing. Myself and Rich
Ryan talking some smack on the on the Poker News
podcast back in the day, saying like, it's Ivy in
the Misfits, it's Ivy for one ninety three and seven
players for a dollar. And that was the whole idea.
And you know, basically Daniel Lagrond and listened to the podcast,
said hey, you guys can sell action and get in
here if you want. That's how we ended up getting
into the thing. You know, Basically, Daniel was like, if
you guys are going to talk to talk, you need
to come out here and prove it and try and
walk the walk. So we've been in this thing every time.
Speaker 2: You proved it one time, we did, we did win
it one time everybody, but this is this is the
year to win.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is the year to win. So yeah, So
we have Jeremy Olsm's one hundred and forty one dollars
set Davies twenty nine dollars. He's our next most expensive player.
And Davies is our you know, he's our high roller guy.
We want definitely wanted to target a guy who is
like he's going to play the two fifty k, the
hundred k, you know, the fifty k is all that
sort of stuff we wanted, like one of those guys
on the team. Seth has been absolutely on fire the
last what year, maybe eight months to a year, you know,
absolutely crushing it. Not that he hasn't been an extremely
good player over the years, it's just you know, variants
as a giant bitch, and it doesn't always work out
for you. Steven Song our third year in a row
with mister Song, so we love to have him. We
got him for seventeen. We were prepared to go a
little bit higher, and then we rounded up the team.
John Shuman a dollar, Boris Angelova dollar, Tommy Coral a dollar,
Nicholas Milgram four dollars, but he was really one dollar.
We bid four dollars because at that time, the way
that we structured things, no one else could bid higher
than four dollars. So I believe it was Daniel Legrandu
who threw him out for a dollar. We said four,
shut everyone out, great, and then we had six dollars
left over for Euri Uygenstein. You know, we just nominated
him for six dollars knowing no one else had that
money left. So in terms of like strategic maneuvering at
the end, with the money that we had. I'm very
very happy with how we closed things out because we
we planned our nominations in a way that we're like, Okay,
let's throw this guy out there. Maybe he'll slip through
for a dollar. If not, that's fine. We do want
to save money for Nicholas Milgram and Euri Reichenstein should
we need it at the end, because we definitely want
those two guys. And you know, as it turns out,
I mean, it's not that those guys wouldn't have come
to us for one or two dollars, but we were
able to for sure lock him in, Like it was
basically Mickey saying, yeah, ury Rich densign six dollars, just
give him to us because no one else has that money,
so he's ours. So overall, I'm extremely happy with things. Obviously,
this whole thing is a giant you know, gamble on
a variance fest. So whatever, what else you got for me?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I'm looking at the teams. I'm trying
to see if I can do I have a favorite team.
Speaker 1: Well, you keep looking. I'm going to run through the
top ten most expensive players from this draft. So we
have Jeremy Osmas on our team one hundred and forty
one dollars, a record price for the twenty five K
Fantasy draft. Then it's Scott sever one hundred and twenty
five dollars. According to multiple sources, Scott sever is trying
to run it back for WSP Player of the Year.
So he's the second most pricey player. Yuri's Evelevski aka
ury nerd Guy, the Brazilian superstar, third most expensive player
at one hundred and nineteen dollars. Then you have Daniel Legrandu,
who was drafted by himself one hundred and eight dollars.
For him, we paid one thirty two I believe last
year Nick Shulman one oh seven. He was the first
player off the board, nominated by Mike Lang's team and
then ultimately drafted for one oh seven. Jesse loanis an
absolutely massive price for Jesse loanis one hundred and three dollars.
So those those are the top six. Then we have
everyone else within the top ten is above ninety dollars.
So we had Sean deeb at ninety nine, Benny Glaser
at ninety nine. Phil Ivey must be back because phil
Ivey went for ninety five dollars. I Mickey and I
talked and I said, I think phil Ivey's back, Like
I think he's back. So it seems like other players
seem to agree ninety five dollars for Ivy and then
James Ops, you're a Aussie boy ninety one dollars who
was on our list for kind of like mid tierish
possibly bargain because he's one of those weird players who
I don't think a lot of people talk to him
or know about him. But then he walked in the
room of course.
Speaker 2: With teams sent him an email on your behalf.
Speaker 1: No, no, I know, but I'm saying a lot of he's
just like a guy who I don't think a lot
of people have connections, you know, so they just kind
of don't know what's going to happen. But then he
walked in the room, so obviously you could tell that. Okay,
probably a lot of people are going to be on him.
So that's that, I guess the other and.
Speaker 2: I give you some intel on that, yeah, go ahead.
So I just found I was talking to dider Geren,
who is the I guess the captain of the Team
Australia team. He was telling me that in back in
Australia in the poker tournaments the APL, they run something
very similar to this but for Australian players for their
major series, so they're running their own kind of twenty
five K fantasy.
Speaker 1: I mean we need to be doing this for every
PG show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Da was drafted last year in the Mark Gregory's draft,
which got him interested, and then they launched that in Australia,
so he's been playing that and he's like, you know what,
I'm gonna jump in. I know how the rules, I
know how it works, and that's why he drafting a team,
and that's why he also drafted James Ups, who was
sitting at the team with him.
Speaker 1: I guess I should move over to hit on Daniel
legrand New's team next, just because we do have some
audio and video with Daniels. So Daniel ended up with
himself first, which I asked him about in the interview,
so you'll hear his thoughts there. He also finished with
Jous Samoo. Those were his top two most expensive guys.
He's got Mike Madisou aka the Mouth. He's got Anthony Zeno,
Shout out Zeno. He's got Eric E. Dog Lingren Tyler Brown,
John Turner, and this is the pick of the draft,
Nick Palmer. NICKI, I mean the universe is this pick.
So that is Daniel Legrand News team. And let's just
throw it to Dan Eggs right now and let's hear
from him. After the twenty five K Fantasy Draft. Oh,
it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Like I had these people saying I want a team,
and people say that every year. I'm yeah, but it's
twenty five thousand, and then they sent me twenty five
thousand in bitcourt.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we'll see you here. Obviously.
Speaker 3: It just shows how much this thing has really really
grown and how much people see throughout the summer they
have this fomo. They want to be a part of it.
They want to draft their own team. And now you
have the other extended aspect, which is the David bakerpool.
Speaker 1: So for the low rollers, you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna have a chance to build your own team. Taking
a look at the scores here, and it's a big
group of players with twenty four teams. I had no
intention of drafting myself because the way that I look
at it is when you have an expanded group of teams,
if you do any other fantasy. You realize that, like
there's less high value targets, so they go up in price.
And I saw my so last year I went for
one thirty two. I'm like, these guys are gonna spend
one sixty on me, But all of a sudden, I
hear one oh seven and nobody's well want to wait?
So now I had to go complete audible with my strategy.
My strategy was Max Colman Jowel Smoo was my big two.
So now it's instead me and Joel Smoll. So I'll
take that. The thing is, you want to get value.
Mattis I at three dollars is value? E dogg at
two is most certainly value. Tyler Brown I really like
his game. I think he went for what he was
supposed to, probably Ish and pearl jam. You know, he's
a guy who can play all the mixed games for
a buck. The wildcard is, of course, Nicky Pete. He's
he was texting on Stop saying, bro, I'm bringing it.
I'm gonna have a great summer.
Speaker 2: Pick me, pick me.
Speaker 3: I looked at my list, I'm like, I think it's
time to give Nicky p a shot. Well, we got
fifty k's fifty k's lady gagat Team China. I always
play every year.
Speaker 1: It's a fifty K bet.
Speaker 3: I'm charging him one hundred percent tariff, so he's got
to lay.
Speaker 1: A hundred and fifty k.
Speaker 3: But I like his team. I almost was going to
go with the strategy of sniping his team because he
always picks a couple of big guys and then picks
these Asian guys we don't know, and I don't know
them either. But I was just gonna say two you know,
on randoms like but I didn't go that route.
Speaker 1: All right, So that was d naggs. You heard it there.
I mean, he's got people were coming up to him
by the way afterwards. You know, he's going side bed
side bed side bets. Fifty K here fifty K. I mean,
this guy's got to have three hundred K on this draft.
Speaker 2: And what maybe maybe what they will do it that's
what it is. It is.
Speaker 1: Well, I I don't ever do any side bets for
our team. I am essentially all in on with what
I want to invest on the team. And and that's that,
you know, And.
Speaker 2: Plus a lot of the teammate wants to do a
side bet.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys will hold on a lot
of these guys come up to you and they're like,
you know, a five K side. But I'm like, no,
I don't know what you guys, No, no, we're not
doing that. Like I'm fully like, this is already. It's
you know, it's a giant crapshoot as is. Yeah, you
know you're betting on people who are gambling for the
next seven weeks. I mean that's just it's crazy. So whatever,
But what he's got he wanted to side of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was talking trash about I'm not gonna I
want to say the night. But he was talking atle
bit of trash about one of the teams he's ready
to ready, he'll get in fire away And maybe he
was sliding into some d ms via Twitter and get
some side action on himself.
Speaker 1: So a couple of picks I thought were I guess crazy, wild, insane.
First of all, there was some names that I've I've
never heard of, which I think that's great. A Romaane Morvin, Marvin,
I don't even know how to pronounce that. From Team Australia.
I think Team Australia, I feel like they brought three
Australians and the like was going to draft them, Like
that's just how.
Speaker 2: What's funny is one of the guys that they nominated
for a dollar got picked up by Team Novig. I'm like,
and then they didn't they had money, they didn't spend
any more money on on getting him. I was wondering if, like,
why did they not you know, look up he's saying
them right now. Was that Cooper felt felt to him
he's got six hundred k in winnings. Yeah, I don't
know who that is. I don't know either, not that
Cooper is not a good player, but I don't know. Yeah,
but I'm surprised if they got to know isn't at
the draft? Yeah, yeah, he was at the draft. Yeah. Look,
I'm surprised they didn't just add the one more dollar
to try and get him because the guy that got
him only had three dollars that he was maxed out
of three bid two see would have got him for
one more dollars. So I don't know, maybe he's not playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean John Raisner for fifty four dollars is
probably the most absurd pack of the draft.
Speaker 2: The guys having a kid. Okay, if he didn't know
that would it be an absurd price? Okay because I
didn't know he was having a kid. Okay, but here's
the thing. You have to know that stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't just gamble player like you need like Mickey
and I, and even before Mickey and I doing the
draft this year, I've always been like, I want to
have an idea of what these guys. Don't just want
to like throw hail mary's. You know, there have been
times when we have you know, thrown hail mary's in
the past and we've ultimately been burned by things. So
we don't want to have that happen.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You want to try and gather as much information at
you as you can, just like you're doing in poker,
where you're trying to collect all the information that you
can to hopefully make the best decision. Still an incomplete decision, right,
You're just trying to get everything, trying to use as
much research as possible, you know, as much you know,
reaching out to people, talking to people, all that sort
of stuff. You can check sites like Poker State, you
can go on social media like whatever it is, and
just trying to feel stuff out and that team splash
the octop I remember they drafted him and they came
over to us and they're like, oh, Racinger for fifty
four dollars, like that seems like a good pick. And
I was like, in my head, I'm like, he's having
a kid. He's probably only going to make a couple
of trips here and there. Listen, if Racer's here playing
every single day, he's probably an eighty or ninety dollars player. Okay,
he's not going to be here every day, So you
just can't. I don't think you can spend that type
of capital. And I think you could tell by the
teams that were bidding on Racer. There was teams that
knew that he was having a kid, and there were
other teams that didn't know, and the ones that didn't
know were bidding on him. So you know, what are
you going to do there? Overall? So yeah, that that
team overall splashy OCTOPI, it seems somewhat questionable to me.
I mean, I do like, I like reard in for
fifty four, but that also feels like one of the
things where I think Rearden is worth fifty four to us.
I don't know if he's really worth fifty four. You know,
we just have him near and dear to our heart,
King John Reard in the third is I love to
call it.
Speaker 2: He's a locker room guy, good chemistry exactly. Yeah, he's
the glue of the team. So you know why I
don't like on Splash Octipy not the biggest. I know
it's cheap a Eric Baldwin five dollars. How many venation
and win events? Is he going to play over World Series?
Speaker 1: Sure, I actually don't mind that pick.
Speaker 2: It was their last pick, but just like I wonder
if they could maybe I don't know, they could have
maybe found someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious on what because of how they approached
John Race. John'm curious if they know anything about Mike
Leo spoke to Mike Lee. Yeah, was on our bargain list.
But he's only he's only making a few trips except
four weeks, right. I think he put out a table
and he and he's you know, he's probably good for
a dollar maybe, But like, I just don't know what
they're what they think about him, because I just think
overall their team has a lot of gaps in terms
of schedule. We talked about Mike Rowdinski is one of
those players who I don't think plays a full schedule anymore. Right,
Mike Lea is not going to You just brought up
the point about Eric Baldwin that's worth making. Is he
going to be venue hopping?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know. So there's that Ray Henson. I don't I
don't know about Ray.
Speaker 2: You know, is he really can he really out dedicate
seven weeks here? Was he going to do two weeks here?
One way? Come two weeks? See it? Kind of thing?
Speaker 1: So I think Eric Sidell, who's on their team, as
an incredible player. You know, the guy's a freaking legend.
You know. There's an article on poker Stake where they
did speak to him. He said twenty five to thirty events.
So I think if you're ultimately comfortable with that, then
that's fine. Maybe you want, you know, to get up
closer to like forty to fifty events, right, love them
the Robert ms Rocky pick. I do really like that one.
I think that's their best pick overall. Again, because even
though I love John Reardan, I just think that John
Rearden is not worth the price to other teams. He's
worth it to us. Okay, this is our guy, Okay,
I mean, let's just quickly run through some of these
other teams and we'll kind of like be like, okay,
we like this, we don't like this. You know, we
won't keep this super like in depth about everything. I'll
just go through, like as the draft order went. Mike
Lang's team, Shannon Shore for thirty five, Iamatakis former Player
of the Year for twenty, Ari Angle for twenty. I
don't like that pick at all, Dan Shack for ten,
Adam Owned for twenty two, Sam Soverll for four, Josh
Reiker for thirty seven, and then Ryan Hoenig for fifty two.
I know that price tag at the end there might
shock a lot of people, but they were they had
the most money at the time, and they just said,
we're all in. You know, it's our last pick. We're
out of here type of thing. Anything stick out to
you there, and if when we run through these teams,
if nothing sticks out, we can just quickly move on.
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: C plus grade, C plus.
Speaker 1: Grade, Okay, I like it. We had Adam Owen on
our bargain list. Obviously, there were many other teams on
him as a as a a target player, you know,
even for a somewhat cheaper price, and he ended up
going for twenty two. The Ari angle thing is just
tricky because honestly, and he's I think he said it before,
like on social media, I could be at the freaking
binions playing the three hundred dollars omaha, Like you just
never know what that guy. So there's that. I heard
Sam Silverll might be playing mostly like here and there
at the WSP and focusing on the stuff here at
the studio the big PGT events, So so I don't
know about that now. Josh reit Guard is invested in
their team, so having him there, you know he's probably
a good player. He's like their version of our Steven
Song team Fena Poker, Kevin Gerhart for FI Team, Sean
Deep for ninety nine, Chris Vich for forty eight, Max
Pescatory for two, Daniel Cpo for twelve, hal Rotholts for
five dollars, Matt Valo, who is the co founder owner
CEO Fenum Poker, and then huck Seed for oh great,
pick the huck seed for a doll You're only saying
that because Mickey off camera the huck Seed for a
dollar is I mean, is hux he gonna play.
Speaker 2: Look, he is a phenom pro, right, so maybe he
really I thought he was.
Speaker 1: I haven't could tell you. I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, then maybe I don't know. He has a BA.
This is a this is a bee a B because
they have Dave He's gonna play ten thousand events, they
have Kevin gohodho's going to be and all the mix
was same with Viitch.
Speaker 1: So the sametory The interesting part about Kevin Gearhart and
this is where some teams have an advantage over other teams.
I talked to Kevin and I asked him, and are
you are you doing anything at twenty five k A.
You're helping a team because he's helped teams in the past,
and obviously Kevin has done some commentary alongside me. We're
relatively close, you know, all that sort of stuff. And
he said, yeah, he's helping out with the team. This
is the team that he helped out with pen Poker.
And he also said that the team he's helping out with,
if they draft him, are going to be willing to
put him in some bigger stuff. So this is another
one where as the bidding's going back and forth between
this team Fenom Poker and whoever the other team was.
I'm thinking, well, it's way more valuable valuable to Phenom
Poker if they're ultimately going to put him in tournaments
versus the other team who might spend up and then
he doesn't play those bigger like ten K mixed events.
So the fact that Phenom did ultimately land him is
probably a very good thing one for Kevin. You know,
he gets take some more shots, which you often see
through the twenty five K Fantasy League, and then you know,
it probably benefits Phenom Poker overall. We already talked about
our team, so we'll skip them. We'll move over to
the Dinkers, the defending champs. They got Benny Glauser for
ninety nine. They got Dylan Wiseman for fifty one, David
Prociak for five dollars, Brandon Wilson for a buck, Sergio
Ido for two dollars, who we had last year, Victor
Blam for twenty two, Alan Lee for nine, and Alex
Ponokovs for eleven.
Speaker 2: This team's I like, I really like this team.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I know you and I have talked about
Allen Lee in the past.
Speaker 2: Love love Allen Lee.
Speaker 1: He's a very selective player, so you know that's gonna
be interesting. They so these last two picks, Alan Lee
for nine dollars and Alex Ponokoffs for eleven dollars. They
had eighteen dollars left, which I think was the most
out of anyone at the time, and they structured it
so that no one else could outbid them. They said
Allen Lee for nine, they said Alex Ponocoafs for eleven.
So that's how they went about that.
Speaker 2: I think that Prosiac pick will be good value. I
think Sergio is good value two dollars, probably going to
play everything up to the two fifty k when it
comes to hold him. And you know, Brandon Wilson for
a dollar, you don't know what he's going to play,
but you know he's results speak for himself.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I life, my concern would be Brandon Wilson.
It's just a roster spot for a guy who I
could feel like could play five events like two fifty k,
hunter K fifty k, you know like that, like that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah him, all right.
Speaker 1: Team Novig this was a new team this year. They
got Chance Corneck for eighty Chris Brewer for seventy, Brad
Ruman for thirty one, Yuki Zoo aka rich Zoo for thirteen,
Nick Seward for one, Cooper felt Him for two, Ismael
Bojang for two, and Kyle Miholitch for one. I don't
know Cooper, you know, I know I looked up his
hendon after his name was called. I don't know Kyle.
I looked up his hendon after his name of called.
They feel like, you know, kind of those boom Er
Bust low price. Hopefully you hit a couple of field
bonuses types of guys. The Ismael Bojang pick. I know
he's been a popular name in the past. I just
have no idea what his volume is going to be like,
so I would worry there.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Yuki Zoo put out any tweets
telling people how well his schedule was. So that's that
thirteen dollars there. You don't know, is he really going
to be playing a full schedule?
Speaker 1: I mean, if he is, then he's he's That's that's
a pretty good pick. So I don't. I don't hate
this one.
Speaker 2: I just don't like how they finished that draft.
Speaker 1: See, I don't I don't like having a guy like
Chance corn as your biggest player. Not that Chance Corneth
is not good, and not that he's not worth a
hefty price, but I just don't think the overall volume
is going to be there, you know, So I just
don't know.
Speaker 2: That was another one with a kid at home back
in I think, what is it.
Speaker 1: Tnational now or maybe Nashville one or the other?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that like, is he you know, we know he
can play everything, all buyings, all games, PLO and the limit,
but is he going to do the two.
Speaker 1: Weeks they play the big pillows?
Speaker 2: Of course he plays a big pilo, Yeah, but is
he going to do two weeks here to go back
to spend the time with the family kind of come back?
And you know, he's one of those ones, or he
could honestly just be you know, he doesn't play our
events anymore, mainly because for a multitude of reasons. But
it could be something where he is completely invested in
the World Series and playing the three K hold him
a fifteen hundred or you know, even the Gladiators of
Poker as well as everything up to one hundred K.
We don't really sure. So I don't think him being
an anchor is horrible. I just don't like how they
finished that drop with the with the Boggain.
Speaker 1: Players Glue Factory. That was Danny Cipo's team. He got
Phil Ivy for ninety five. Ivy's back. I guess he's back, babies,
Nacho Barbaro for fifty nine. John Kite for twenty six,
who we had on our bargain list, has been having
some success recently. Believe he's a British player and has
a pretty big poker steak offering out there. Brock Wilson
for five, Giorgio's Sodoropolis for three, Cherish Andrews for three,
Andrew Lichtenberger for one, Ian Steinman for eight. They stole
Ian Steinman for us.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love that Boggin players.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, No, No, I mean, is Andrew Lichtenberger playing
poker again?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I could not tell you what he's going to be doing.
Speaker 2: They have Look, they have five of the they have
the five hull to him field bonus people right there
like a Brock. They got Georgia's, they a Cherish, they
got Lucky Chewi, they got Ian Steinman. They could hit
all five of those, could finish top twenty seven. In
the monster stack, sure like. I mean, their team's very
no limit holding base and obviously Dan Sepio being a
no limbit guy. That doesn't make a lot of sense
knowing those players better. But I like how they finished
the draft, to be honest, I don't like Ivy for
the ninety five or who knows how Ivy I just
don't know when he's showing up.
Speaker 1: I think I don't like Nacho for fifty nine.
Speaker 2: I think that seems the right value, though, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if i'd be willing
to pay that one. Moving on to Girl Dads, that's
Ryan Reese's team.
Speaker 2: VI's of Ryan and Jesse's team, by the way, but.
Speaker 1: Jesse's not here, but he's on fine, he's only yeah,
he's on the team for one dollars. This is they
always split the team, No, I know, Okay, so Jesse
Lonie hundred and three, Patrick Leonard thirty, David Funkouser twenty three,
Nick Papillo ten, Brad Owen twelve, Christian Roberts fifteen, A
Romozobian one Ethan yao. That's Rampage for one. I mean
this team, I got no idea what's going on here.
I'm a fan of David Funkauser as a pick. I'm
a fan of Patrick Leonard as a pick. I cannot
in a million years reconcile spending one hundred and three
dollars on Jesse Lonis. I mean, I know he's hotter
than ever right now. I love the guy. He's like
an og gangster type of player. I just what one
hundred and three? It seems a little, it seems outrageous,
like what is happening? But I guess would you say
that Pads was probably undervalued at thirty dollars? Yeah, so
then I think maybe if you put them together for
one thirty three, it's probably not hard if you look
at it, try and look at it that way. Yeah,
But like, can you take that one hundred dollars if
Pads is thirty and David Funkauser is twenty three, which
I like those prices for those players, you know, can
you take that one hundred dollars for Jesse Loonis and
you know, spin it into something else, Like, for example,
you could have spent sixty six dollars on Alex Foxen,
who is gonna play likely the same exact stuff as
Jesse Lonis maybe even a few more things and is
probably a little bit of a better player. And even
if he's not a better player, even if they're the
exact same player, you get essentially forty dollars to spend
elsewhere and you're not you know, taking Rampage and Aramzobian
and you know those picks.
Speaker 2: Like you can basically get the Grondin for that price too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's just yeah, I can't I mean,
I can't imagine paying one all three for Jesse Lonis,
you know, but hey, it's it's his team, so whatever,
uh Frog poison, this is Martin Zemani's team. Got Scott
Sever for one to twenty five, Dylan Smith for sixty four.
I like those two picks. I think I will say
I'm a little burned by Scott sever but you know, whatever,
it is, what it is, Ryan Lang for six. And
then they rounded it out with a bunch of one
dollar players. They got Mike Holton for one dollar, Noel
Rodriguez for a dollar, George Woolf for a dollar, Sean
Troja for a dollar, and David Stam for what says
zero but it's really a dollar, Like I mean, this
is similar to our strategy Superstars and Scrubs, so I'm
always going to really like that strategy. I think Dylan
Smith here is severely underpriced. It's sixty four dollars. I'm
kind of surprised. I don't remember exactly what was going
on with the team that Dylan Smith is a part
of and why he wasn't in on himself, but sixty
four dollars for Dylan Smith seems like an absolute freaking
well he.
Speaker 2: Was in on the bidding. I think he just got
to a point where this is a little too too expensive.
Speaker 1: But that's such a great price. I'd rather way rather
have Dylan Smith for sixty four than Jesse Loans for
one on three.
Speaker 2: I from memory, I think, you know, Martin didn't have
too many people picked. I think Dylan seem already had
a pretty strong base and maybe they just couldn't afford him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, you know, some of these one dollar players, I
just kind of question volume. You know, I know Michael's
will be there probably every single day, but how high
is he gonna play?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And online doesn't count, right, Yeah, online does not count.
I don't know about Noel Rodriguez in terms of his volume.
I don't really know about George Wolf in terms of
his volume. Sean Troja is literally omaha only yeap. So
you know, while that's good, he's obviously very good at that.
I just I don't know. And then David Stam is
kind of a flyer, but you know whatever, no big deal,
survivor sweat. This is odib's team. They got Michael monsec
that's Texas Mike for eighty nine, Ben Yu for thirty one,
Marco Johnson for forty nine, Danny Tang twenty six, Sam
Lasquitz for a dollar, Tyler Monsek, who is the brother
of Michael Monsek, for a dollar, Ali Islami for a dollar,
and Esther Taylor for a dollar. So the first thing
I want to talk about is this story that I
talked with ODB afterwards. So he drafted Texas Mike, who
is supposedly playing every single day as many frigging bullets
as humanly possible. He basically told ODB, I think you know,
I'm paraphrasing whatever, but that he would trade his first
kid for winning Player.
Speaker 2: Of the Year.
Speaker 1: So he's ready to Wow, He's ready to Then he
said that that ODB should draft his brother, who like
doesn't know how to play poker, but Texas Mike will
teach him, and Texas Mike will put him in everything,
possibly the two fifty K. What this I read the
text messages. I'm sorry if I'm outing you, ODB. I
know you talked about it on a story, but this
this actually happened. He's like, he's extremely experienced, but he's
the smartest person I know. I will teach him and
I will put him in everything up to twenty five
k's and it's likely that he might even see him
in the two fifty K. I mean, what in the
what is his kid on?
Speaker 2: He cashed the five klass yea and that Paradise lost
yer cash in a ten KGGMI.
Speaker 1: So I mean this is this is an outrageous pick,
a crazy story if it happens to come to fruition
and works out for ODB. But holy lord, this is wild,
Like it's just the wild how this comes together. Danny Tang,
I know ODIB is somewhat close with I really like
that pick. Danny Tang's one of those guys where I
can never really get in touch with or you know,
get a schedule on I know Odib. If you listen
to Odb's pod that he has with Adam Schwartz, he
has talked about how he's kind of close with Danny Tang.
So if he's making that pick, I like it. Marco Johnson,
I feel like it's one of those ones where I
know Odib's close to him, So I guess I trust
him there. I just don't know me personally. And then
Ben You, I mean, you're the guy who texted me
the other day. What the heck has happened to Ben You?
I haven't seen that guy a year, so I don't
know is he playing? I mean, I guess so, yes, sir.
So there's that team Team Australia. They went and got
James Ops. They got David Odib Baker, they got James
Ops's ninety one, Baker was fifty one. They got Jerry
Wong for nineteen, Brandon Shack Harris for thirty two, romayin
Morvin for one dollar, did a garrant for a dollar,
Ryan the Plant for a dollar, in the Mustapha Cannute
for four dollars. I guess the one that sticks out
to me is Brandon Jack Harris. If you're paying thirty
two dollars for Brandon check Harris. I think you must
know something like he's bad to be playing. Yeah, I
mean that must be the thing, like or are you
just looking at past results and going off of that.
I don't know. Handsome horses. This was Benny Glasser's team,
along with Patrick Leonard and Craig Chait. They got Chatty
Sledge for eighty seven, Chino Reem for forty five, Matthew
Wantman for twenty one, Chris Unikan aka Big Huni for fifteen,
Phil Sternheimer for twenty one, Tomash Gluzzco for a dollar
That has to be like a bit big guy as
far as I'm concerned, Christopher Classan shout out, Spewey for
two dollars, and then Lawrence Brandt for eight dollars. This
the pick that sticks out to me that I would
deem highly questionable is Philip Sternheimer for twenty one. I mean,
I guess he's first of all, it was weird that
he wasn't here. He normally has a team.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was still a tryton, that would be my
only guess, so, but he usually still as a team. Yeah,
So I thought that that was it.
Speaker 1: That was interesting, and he normally doesn't play a lot
of the tournaments, plays like some of the big stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll play. No. Last year he played a lot,
but like he also dropped pretty sure he drofted himself
lost year.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Team Liaison that was Andrew Ostopchenko's team. He
drafted Yuri Zeveleski for one nineteen, David Coleman for seven dollars,
John Manette for nineteen, Dario Alioto stole them from us,
come on Man twenty five dollars, Thomas Taylor seven dollars,
Samuel Muller for a dollar, Clemens Reuter for nine dollars,
and then Andrew got himself Andrew Ostopchenko for one dollar.
I don't know how I feel about this team. I
feel like they probably could have the John Manette pick
I think questionable. John Manett is extremely good, but he
put out there, you know, a tweet that is kind
of questioning what sort of volume that he's gonna play,
and see he's gonna stick to cash games. So I
would be a little bit iffy there. And if you
could ultimately like use that nineteen to turn it into
somebody else, I don't necessarily know IM I'd have to
dig a little bit further, but that's kind of the
first thing that sticks out to me. The Hoggers. That
was Dylan Smith, Chatty Sledge, that Florida group. They got
Aaron Coopan who was over there with them at the
table for forty two, Jake Schwartz for thirty one, Matt
Lance for thirty five, Brian un for thirty four, Jason
Mercier for forty one. That seems wild, Robert Wells for ten,
Danny Wong for six, and David Bennumin for one. This
is my least favorite type of build in the entire thing.
I hate when you just go like a bunch of
like thirty to forty dollars players. I hate it personally.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good thirty to forty dollar players. Though.
Speaker 1: Is Jason Rizyr playing tournaments?
Speaker 2: I feel like if anyone's going to draft him and
spend money and it's the Florida guys, that means something.
That's the way I see that.
Speaker 1: I mean yes and no. I mean I have no idea,
but I mean if.
Speaker 2: Anyone knows I was sitting in that room, I feel
like they probably have the most clue about Jason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's interesting. I mean, maybe it is.
Speaker 2: David Benjamin for a dollar. I'm not so sure about
that one. Like, yeah, they could have got a lot
of other dollar players, but I think they were. You
know what, actually Dylan Smith said and this Dylan Smith
was going to say Nick Milgram. He said Nick Milgram
one dollar, and he goes, well, actually David Benjamin one dollar.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: So they could have Nick Milgram and that would have
been very good. You know, they might not have got
Nick for a dollar, but they would have That would
have been a very very good mixed game team that
this is all mixed games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, team Norri Norri drafting with Toby Lewis,
they got Alex Livingston for eighty one. Also not in
the room who has been in the room in the past,
Alex Livingston justin slieb or forty those two, I believe
our roommates during the Dibisipede. Jim Collapy for forty three,
Maxim piece Aranco for twelve, Noah Bronstein for a dollar,
Toby Lewis for a dollar, Gus Hansen for two dollars
might be the surprise pick of the draft and then
bow Ding for nine dollars. Baw Ding could come back
to haunt Mickey and I, so ren Lynn had eight
dollars remaining and bid eight on bow Ding. Now, I
had been telling Mickey through my research, like this guy crushes,
he crushes everything. It's just a matter of I have
no idea if he's coming or not. So it's basically
like if Reren throws him out there, then we know
he's gonna be here. Yeah, and Ren threw him out
there there for eight dollars. We had nine, and Mickey
and I were like literally in the tank talking back
and forth, and then the next thing, you know, Toby
Lewis said nine.
Speaker 2: He looked at nine.
Speaker 1: Max, Well he said nine. So we had nine Max,
so we couldn't go tank, but we were thinking about
going night. Now that's not to say that teen noy
would done ten, yeah, but that we kind of got
caught up there. We were like should we do it?
Should we not? Like what are we gonna do? Because
we still didn't yet have our team filled out. We
didn't have Milgrim, we didn't have Reichenstein, So we were like, well,
should we do it? Should we not? You know, whatever
it does seem like he's coming if friend's throwing him
out there, so yeah, so that might come back to
bite us in the end. The Gus Hansen one is
an interesting pick because he was thrown out by somebody
on the other side of the room. I forget who
it might have been. Oh, it was the Hoggers. They
threw him out because this is where you skipped I
skipped one. And then anyway, they throw out him and
then Daniel like jumps out of his seat. He's like
what huh. And the way that it sounded from Daniel,
who I think only had one dollar left to max
bit on a player like had talked to Gus that
he's playing, and he was basically saying to them across
the room like, oh, did you talk to him? And
Jake Schwartz is like basically like nodding like yes, And
then I think I think Toby got word of that.
I saw that it was like okay, two dollars and
then he got him. So you know that's how that went.
Toby also drafted himself because he I mean, I trust
what he said. He said, Well, we don't know any
other players left, so I'm drafting myself. Well what am
I gonna do. So that's that team Team Splashy Occupy.
We hit on this a little bit earlier. They got
John Reudin for fifty four, They got John Raisner for
fifty four, They got Roberts and Ms Rocky for forty.
Speaker 2: I like that pick.
Speaker 1: They got Eric Saidel for fifteen, Ray Hanson for three,
Mike Gordinski for six, Mike Leah for three, Eric Baldwin
for five. Tim and I had already hit on this team,
so we'll skip past that one. We already talked about
Daniel Lagarnage team and we did hear from him, so
we'll skip past that one as well. We'll move to
Eric Wasserson's team. So Eric Wasserson got himself for forty
two dollars. He got Brian Rast fifty seven, Paul Volpi
for fourteen, John Hennigan for eleven, David Peters for three,
Darius Sammartino for fifteen, Sewn Winter for twenty two, and
re renon Brushki for thirty six.
Speaker 2: A plus team.
Speaker 1: So this is this is the tam This is probably
number one in A plus team if you were to
grde it today based on skill, and that's that. But
for me, it just comes down to volume, like how
much of these guys are gonna play? I have no idea,
so that's kind of the tricky thing there. I guess
price per dollar for like what, or so I should
say like tournaments per dollar, you know, for what I
think they're gonna play. Also, how big I think they're
gonna play. I like the David Peters pick at three
dollars for them. I think that's a really good one,
you know. I think obviously DPT's had the baby a
long time ago, so you know, now it's more like
kind of back to the grind type of stuff, and
he's just an incredible player. So I really like him,
especially when you get someone who's gonna play all those
super high by and stuff.
Speaker 2: I mainly like this team because you're not gonna find
them in any other tournament at any other location. Now. Yeah, look,
the cash games may be pretty juicy, and they may
be in those, but when it comes to tournaments, they're
gonna play all the big stuff. At the World Series
Mixed Game, they're gonna play all the ten k's to
play the fifty k, they're gonna play the twenty five
k horse, We're gonna play all of those ones, and
you know, you look at these guys. Brian Rass obviously
cares a lot about legacy. I think John Hennigan secretly
does to Paul Volpi's, you know, right on that cusp
of breaking into you know, having four or five six
kind of bracelets. And then obviously Washerson got his bracelet
at Paradise, so he might be itching to join some
of his some of his peers. So that's why I
like this team mainly because it's very WSP heavy and
buying wise, very big.
Speaker 1: I just don't know about Darria Sam Martino in terms
of volume. That would be my question there. Eric Washerson
was kind of an ego pick, remember, he like got
hundred percent got in on himself late and was.
Speaker 2: Like, that's why I think. I think he's gonna make
some side bets and he might sure play big even
more than than I know.
Speaker 1: You bring up the legacy thing with Brian Rast. My
only concern there, Like we talked about Rast, Mickey and
I and we think that he's an incredible player. He's really,
really good. It's just that he has already ticked the
box that he was going for, which is getting into
the Poker Hall of Fame. So does he kind of,
you know, just pull things back a little bit in
terms of like going balls to the wall like he
was when it was ahead of getting into the Poker
Hall of Fame. So that would be my concern there,
and I just don't know, So, you know, we just
you know, avoided that one. Moving on to Team BTG,
I believe that stands for beyond the Game. This team
is drafted by Bryce Jockey and Chris Brewer. They got
Nick Waghenti for thirty eight, Dan Zach for thirteen, Stephen
Chadwick for fifty one. He's their most expensive player. Adam
Friedman for eighteen, Dylan Lindy for thirty six, Puna Punsrie
for nineteen, Isaac Hackson for six, and owaysam Meed for nineteen.
I think that nineteen on owaysa med was just an
all in play at the end. Not sure how I
feel about this one.
Speaker 2: I don't mind how they started until they got to
put up Punsri. I'm not sure how much Punat will play.
You know, same with Isaac and then same with Oays.
But technically you could say Oays is a dull player,
so that's fine, but not I think maybe for nineteen
dollars they could have found someone, you know, maybe with
a you know, they could have got a Phelipe Ramos
who would have preferred much more of a put up Punsri.
But who knows. I think they started well, they've got
some guys that are going to play like all the mix,
all the big stuff up to the fifty k Steven
Shiitweks obviously they're the big no Olympic guy that might
be in all those events on the two fifty, so
we'll see. I don't hate this team at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, my question would be on dan Zach him
going for thirteen. It just feels like people in that
room have an idea maybe he's not lasting super super
hard these days, so that would just be kind of
my my concern there. Splash Sports this was formerly Team
No Gamble in the Future, drafted by Jeff Platt and
Brent Hanks. They got Nick Schol first off the board
for one hundred and seven dollars. They got Renlin for
forty two. They got Adrian Mittaos for twenty five, Renji
Mao aka Ricky Mao for nine, Frank Brannon for five,
Jason Kuhn for four, Christian Harder for seven, and Andrew
Marino for one. Love the Nick Shulman pick. Don't totally
hate the ren Lin pick. Adrian Matteos, I mean Adrian
Mitaos for twenty five when Jesse Lonis is going for
one oh three is a great pick. I feel like
Renji mao. I know Mickey and I had him on
our list, so I don't hate that pick as well.
Frank Brannon, I know who this is. I have no
idea what sort of schedule or what he's doing, so
I just have kind of questions there. We did have
Jason Kuon at the kind of the bottom of our
high Rolder list. We did speak with him. He said,
you know, twenty five K plus. I mean, I guess
it's it's fine, You're just not going to get the volume.
Kun is an incredible player. Again, You're just not going
to get that volume. Christian Harder, I like this pick,
and then Andrew Moreno. It just kind of comes down
to how often is he going to be ap type
of stuff? Is he going to be venue hopping, playing
the Venetian, playing win this type of stuff? But I get,
you know, a one dollar flyer on Morenos is not
not a bad thing at all. AJ's Eagles. That's AJ
Kelsol's team. We got Max Coleman for seventy, Justin Liberto
for thirty five, Arthur Morris for thirty eight. AJ drafted
himself for twenty one, Carrie Katz for fourteen, King Callous
for thirteen, Brian Hastings for a buck, and Martin Zemani
for two dollars. An interesting team.
Speaker 2: Love Hastings for a dollar. I think Max Coleman might
be overprized because you know, he hasn't been playing a
full schedule oft PGT events like he used to now.
Obviously he loves the mixed game stuff he always plays
use but he used to always play the p Loo
and the No Limit, but he's definitely dialed it down recently,
so I'm not sure you know what that means for
him when it comes to World Series. So that's the
only pick I don't love at the Mars. I'm sure
that's you know, about in line with his schedule, you know.
I think hay Stings Dalla. I think Carrie, you know,
we talk sometimes, we talk a little bit of negative
about Kerry, but when it comes to the World Series,
I think we'll find him max Lay registering all the
ten k's and all the high rollers, so at least
he'll be putting in the volume and then say what
you want to say about skill level or how much
else he's going to play. But I don't think. I
don't think fourteen if Dan didn't Dan Shack go for
ten dollars, I think that's you know, about how'd Raley carry?
I think over Nan Shak.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if Kerry's going to put in the volume,
that's the question with him. If he's going to put
in the volume, if he's going to be firing all
those you know, ten k plus events, probably even five
K plus events, it doesn't matter if they're max Lay
reg then, and yeah, fourteen dollars is not a bad.
Speaker 2: For someone that lost their fantasy sports. I'm actually very
surprised we don't carry doesn't get a team in this,
you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And I will also say that, you know,
Carrie wants to win a brace like and that's I
think in terms of like waking up every day, going
back out there and battling. That's a good thing to
have as a trait, you know, because you're you're still
chasing essentially, what is a Poker Players Championship title, and
that is a gold bracelet. Team Lady Gaga, that's ren
Lyn's team. They got Adam Hendricks for thirty three, Alex
Foxen for sixty six, Jo Vieira for eighty five, Anson
Sang for a dollar, Kwan Zhao for a dollar, Jijiang
Luau for five dollars, Dong Chen for a dollar, and
then Joshua McCully for two dollars. I have no idea
who Joshua McCully is. No offense is Australian as well.
Dong Chen obviously has been drafted before. Kwan Zau scores
very well. Anson Sang is another Asian player that they're on.
Of course, you know that they do the whole like
kind of stars and scrubs and then bring all these
Asian players as you know, because they write down their
names and pass them to you when they're nominating them. So, yeah,
this is the team we were going head to head
with over Jeremy Osmas. I don't mind ren straategy. I
think he takes a very similar strategy to Hours. So
when it is ultimately Wren going to battle with our
team on who we deem as the top guy. You know,
it kind of gives me some confidence in that we're
on the top guy together. You know, I would love
to not have to pay one hundred and forty one dollars.
Maybe we get a little bit of a break, but
it is what it is. And uh yeah, the Jeremis
that was Jeremy Becker's team and another Jeremy. But I
don't know the other Jeremy Hakeem.
Speaker 2: Is that anything.
Speaker 1: I could not tell you. I know he's like got
a lot of buzz on social media and whatnot. Forgive
me for not knowing who you are. But josh Aria
seventy one, Bryce Jockey sixty six, Jeremy Becker took himself
for two dollars. He was thrown out there for a dollar.
Jeremi Becker said, no two to me. Let's go ying
Wee Lee for three dollars, Archur march Rosin for twenty eight,
Dmitriybanovitch for twenty one, David bakes Baker for five dollars,
and Elis parson In for a dollar. The Elis one
is highly questionable to me. I know there's a fair
amount of plo. I know there's a lot of high
stakes plo just questionable to.
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, very questionable. You know, when will he get here?
He does play a bit of hold him, you know
in the Trent events, but will he do that here?
But I think elis for a dollar versus Auta for
twenty eight. You know, the Alto is the same where
he's kind of a no limit hold him specialist. Does
play some plo, but he is a high roller guy,
and a high roller guy for twenty eight when his
volume is going to be I would say on the
lower side is probably a little a little too pricey,
but otherwise really don't mind much of how the other
team is built.
Speaker 1: Money. Mondays that is Dan Fleischman's team. He got his
patented phil Holm youth seventy nine dollars, Calvin Anderson for
fifty one. Mickey and I were he was in our plans,
was Calvin Anderson. But as we spoke to Calvin Anderson,
I believe he said he capped himself at forty dollars,
but obviously goes for fifty one here. Ryan Rees for eleven,
Kristin far for thirty one, Jared Blessnick for six, Joe
Katta for a buck, Dan Smith for six, and then
Ben Lamb for fifteen. Yeah, I mean this is an
interesting team. I mean it really depends on Phil Hellmuth.
You know, he's got to carry things. Is he gonna
take days off? Is he gonna be battling every single
day or is he gonna be like, I'm a little
bit too tired. I'm gonna go do whatever. So that's questionable.
Cal is kind of an enigma. You know, if he
shows up every single day, he's obviously one of the
best players out there. It's just a question if he's
going to show up every single day. Jared Blesnik did
share on social media he doesn't know how much he's
gonna play, So who knows with him? Who knows if
that was him just kind of putting that out there.
Who knows if he is actually going to be super
busy and not gonna be able to play a lot.
I could not tell you what Jared Blesnik is gonna do.
If Jared Wilsnink does show up and play a good
handful of events, then you know, yeah, he's probably worth
six bucks. And then the last team Team Brown. That
was Andrew Brown and you've all Bronstein's team they got
You've all for forty four dollars. They got Phil Hue
for thirty dollars. They got Joe Cooden for fourteen, Jeff
Madsen for eleven, Philipe Ramos for eighteen, Andrew Brown got
himself for two dollars, Scott Bowman for nine, and Matt
Vangrin for nine, and they were left with sixty three
dollars on the table, which seems like a freaking absurdity.
I don't know what this team is doing leaving sixty
three dollars on the table, but here we are.
Speaker 2: I don't hate that team. I just I don't really
like the scup Almond pick because you never know how
much SCUP ballmost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we kind of talked with him.
Speaker 2: I liked everything else. I don't think he's a he's
necessarily a good pick. Phelipe Ramos for eighteen dollars seems
like a bit of his. I mean, wads is thirty.
I feel like Philippe for eighteen is decent. Yeah, I
mean we spoke with Philip, we got an idea of
his schedule. We we nominated him, right, we nominated Filipe. Yeah,
So I mean we were priced out to go to eighteen.
But yeah, I know, I know Chad Holloway from Poker News,
you know, our friend is big on Jeff Madson. He
kept telling us to draft Jeff Madson. So I don't
know if Jeff Madisen is gonna show up and play
everything a series of pokm maybe for Jeff Madison. Yeah,
the problem with with Brown Dog's team is that he
started very late. He didn't have anyone on his team
for quite a while, and I think that kind of
threw out all the strategy. Well whether he had a
strategy or not is a different thing, but you know,
he dropped juve all very light, so he was kind
of left with you know, didn't have much of the
stars left. So he did have to build an interesting team,
I would say, but I don't think it's horrible. Like,
you know, Andrew Brown could be playing all the mixed
games saying with Scott Balman, and.
Speaker 1: Brown said after he picked himself, he like kind of
blurted out, not super loud, but said like, I'm playing
foreigner came by ins. So I mean, who knows if
that's true or not. That could also be one of
those things where yeah, you have foreigner came by ins
on paper, are you actually ever gonna fully play foreigner
Camby ins? I mean maybe if you bust everything on
day one, it can happen, yes, but it's probably likely
not to get to that that amount. So yeah, I
mean interesting team. I just I don't agree with not
trying to spend every single dollar because you know, if
you left sixty three dollars on the table, like you
obviously could have spent on a lot of other players.
You know, Jeff Madson, for example, could have been Dylan Smith.
You know, fully Bramos could have been Dying Smith. Joekuton
could have been doing so like stuff like that, right,
you know, any of them could have been Alex Foxon
for example. So you have a lot of those things
that you're probably leaving yourself scratching your head afterwards. You know.
I think last year we were left with a good
chunk of money at the end, just with the way
that things shook out, and we hated it. You know,
I think we were left with like twenty bucks or something.
We were just like what the hell, like, you know,
with the way that things kind of broke. It just
didn't work out in our favor that way last year.
This year, that we did share to maneuver correctly at
the end of the draft so that we could maximize
every single dollar. All right, you got any like top
two or three favorite teams who sticks out? Now, you
don't need to name us, I got it. You don't
got to play favorites.
Speaker 2: No, I do like your team. Like I said, I
do like Wasas's team because it's very world Series centric.
I do like Negrano's and I'm mainly because you know,
there's maybe a chance, you know, he's got a couple
of friends on his team, maybe he clips a couple
of little bankroll boosters to get them in some events
they might not have played. So that's pretty That's kind
of the thing that stands out to me. Those three teams.
I do like gren Lin's team, Lady Gaga with the
the fellow Chinese players that people won't know or recognize.
But obviously, if you're in poker and see these results
and follow along, you know that obviously Anson Tean multi
bracelet winner, Kwanzu, and Dung Jit, they all had a
huge World Series last year, so wouldn't be surprised if
you know, they did pretty well. And I just received,
you know, text message from Lady Gaga's drafting teammate Adam
Hendrix asking, do you know, like who these the king?
Tell me who the team's are, like, who's behind the
team names? Wren wants to make side bets, So Reren's
probably very confident on his team, even though he's not
on it. And yeah, I think those are the kind
of four teams that I would be, you know, eyeing
as being the favorites.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in love with our team. I feel
like this is probably the best I've felt coming out
of a draft, and it's probably because everyone that we drafted,
all eight of the players were on our lists. Yeah,
and you know, sometimes I didn't get that very often. Yeah,
sometimes you just kind of get stuck. Maybe you don't
have enough money, or people are going for too much
where you kind of projected them, or things don't break
a certain way. You know. For us, it was very
it was it was kind of key how we navigated
the first part of the draft because we wanted to
get Ozma's first and we wanted to go for Reared
in second. Now, if there was a world like last
year where somebody threw out John Reard and I think third,
then I mean we really wanted Ozmas and John Reard,
but if there was a chance that let's say weird
and got nominated first, it kind of screws up our
whole strategy. So, I mean, it's luck the fact that
when I drew a card we got to nominate third.
So we were like, Okay, this is great, we can
nominate early. If Osmas gets nominated in the first two bicks,
we'll just grab him or we'll throw him out there,
and then we'll ultimately get him, no big deal, and
then we'll try and get rid and then we'll go
from there.
Speaker 2: What did you think of I guess the one thing
that shocked me when it comes to like the individuals
was shown Dabey I think going for ninety nine dollars
when Nigrano is a you know, one away Osmas won
forty one, you know jesse Wan tre Wan twenty five,
shown Dave not playing a full series.
Speaker 1: I just think people kind of sour on people for
whatever reason.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily anything. I mean, it's also
like when did deeb get thrown out? Did certain people
who would have been high on him, Like basically there
was a world where let's say we don't get Jeremy Osmas.
Now I think it was a small world. Yes, but
let's say some crazy thing happens. We're one and Renland
says one ninety three. I mean our second pick was Deep, right,
So it's like, okay, then if we're in on the
bidding on Deep, is he more one hundred and thirty
one hundred and forty right, because we're just willing to bid,
bid bid that type of thing. So it also kind
of goes down to like who's bidding on who and
how they feel about it, and that's just how things
kind of shake out. I just think it's all kind
of interesting. But I mean, I love it again. I
love our team, you know. I love that we got
Ozma's you know, I think he's the the one in
the one to one, you know, on a draft board.
So we just need him to run hotter than the sun.
So basically run like Jeremy Osmas and we'll be will
be good to go. Another thing that Mickey and I
are big on, we're big on mental game, like and
Jeremy Ausines is a great example. I don't care how
bad Jeremy Ausins runs the summer. He's gonna show up
every single day. Yeah, probably have a smile on his face,
probably ask me how I'm doing. We might talk about
our kids, whatever, and he's gonna go in there and
he's gonna blast, and it just doesn't matter. You know,
some players you kind of tend to avoid, at least
we tend to avoid because you just don't know if
they're gonna be like I need a few days off.
You know, Oh, I'm kind of sulking. Oh, listen to
this bad beat whatever is. You know, like, no, I
don't want any of that negative energy around this. You know,
we want all the positive energy stuff. So you know,
I think we got plenty of that on our squad.
All right, cool, well, I think that's going to do
it for us. It's still code work.
Speaker 2: I had to listen to Auso about a code wether
no code work this week.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well you're the code work guys.
Speaker 2: You got to remind so one's very easy. You ready
for this? Yeah, it's going to be twenty five K
fantasy love to the number two, number five K fantasy.
We'll keep that up for a couple of days. Make
sure you and try and win. You know, we wanted
to put someone where we outputing someone in the pg
tam Million Dollar Championship. We want it to be a listener.
We want the listener to win the PGT Championship and
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have new one if we record every day, I would say,
you know, maybe every three or four days, we'll have
ANU on.
Speaker 1: I think's yeah, all right, cool. So you guys heard
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can find out more about it. So let's have a
good summer everyone. It is officially day one of the
World Series of Poker. Here we combined it with the
twenty five K Fantasy Draft. Tomorrow, Tim and I will
be at Horseshoe. We will be at Paris. We will
be in the thick of things. I cannot wait to
see how it goes. I have seen a lot of
kind of mixed reviews on the registration and the WSP
plus app stuff. So we're not heading other Ananda jumping
to no, hell, no, I'm I mean, we've done enough today.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. I need to get out of I'm mitching,
mitching to get out of there.
Speaker 1: You're not itching to get over there. But tomorrow you
can see stuff on social media. Yes, I want to
see it in person, you know, I want to see
the lines, I want to possibly talk to some people,
all that sort of stuff. I think it's one of
those things from everything that I can tell on social
where it's a giant pain to go through the process,
to stand in a long line. Of course, no one
likes to do that. But once you're past all of that,
I've seen a lot of the WSP plus app is incredible.
You know, people are showing screenshots, they got their table
draw right there, like all that sort of stuff. So
it's just that kind of initial growing pain that people
are going to have to get through. I do hope
this is obviously something much further down the road. I
don't hope you don't. You have to go through this
whole verification process every single year. I hope it's like
a one time thing hopfulley, I mean hopefully. We don't know.
We won't know until next year, but obviously we will see,
all right, for Tim Duckworth, for myself and also for
producer Rich Ryan. We are out of here and we
will talk to you guys next time.
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