1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Imagine a glass case spotlighted in a dimly lit historic 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Japanese residence, and inside you see something that looks like 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,960 it was pulled right from the pages of a frightening 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,560 fairy tale. Oh this is good. Mumma Phi's remains. They 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,000 were allegedly found two centuries ago, and they have webhands, 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,359 scaly skin, and a physique that, honestly, it just defies 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,199 any known terrestrial biology. 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: And this actually happened. 9 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:30,719 Speaker 1: May twenty fourteen, the world gets a public glimpse of 10 00:00:30,719 --> 00:00:34,359 something truly legendary, something that smells of ocean myth and 11 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:36,359 deep river terror. 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: Wow. 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,799 Speaker 1: We are talking about the historic Miyakana Joshimazu residence in 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,960 Japan where this truly peculiar artifact was put on public display. 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,520 Mummified remains, the supposed mummifhied remains of a creature alleged 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,920 to be the infamous Japanese water demon, the Kapa. 17 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: The Kappa, right, I've heard of it. 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,479 Speaker 1: And this wasn't just you know, folklore. This was physical, 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,200 tangible evidence reported to be from a sea animal with 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,000 webbed hands and feet. It's a bridge that, for some 21 00:01:02,079 --> 00:01:06,920 researchers connects fantastical legend to a very unsettling biological reality. 22 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:08,760 Welcome to thrilling threads. 23 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: And today the snack of sources you've shared with me 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,799 forces us to launch a pretty extraordinary global investigation. 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:16,599 Speaker 1: It really does. 26 00:01:16,719 --> 00:01:19,439 Speaker 2: Our mission is to really extract the key insights and 27 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:22,640 you know, the line of reasoning presented by ancient astronaut 28 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:27,840 theorists the AATs on the existence of intelligent aquatic humanoids. 29 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:32,719 We're analyzing sources that aggressively connect Japanese river monsters to 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,359 ancient Syrian goddesses and even West African cosmology. 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,239 Speaker 1: It's a huge leap. 32 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:41,439 Speaker 2: It's a huge leap all centered around challenging our established 33 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:43,719 timeline of evolution and life on Earth. 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,599 Speaker 1: That's right, and we are relying heavily on the detailed 35 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:50,239 accounts and commentary presented in the History Channel's analysis. 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: A great source for this stuff. 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: Specifically excerpt from their video Webbed Hands Scaly Skin. What 38 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:01,359 is this s one? Ancient aliens origin? And the core 39 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:04,280 question put forward by the expert commentators guiding its people 40 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:07,480 like Dominic Steve who Ken, Gerard, David Wilcock, Coleman, and 41 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:11,240 George Suklos is the most provocative one. It always is 42 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:16,280 are these creatures indigenous to Earth, maybe some lost advanced 43 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,159 branch of marine life, or did they come here by 44 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:20,639 some extraterrestrial means? 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: And that's the whole discussion, isn't it. Our deep dive 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,360 today really demands that we look beyond our own skepticism 47 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:29,319 just for a moment and genuinely follow the aat logic 48 00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:32,120 we have to. We need to focus on the factual 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,960 nuggets within the folklore, the specific complex physical descriptions, the 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,680 arrival narratives, and then trace that line of reasoning. 51 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: See how the gef from point A to point B. 52 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,759 Speaker 2: Exactly how do these theorists get to their non terrestrial conclusions. 53 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,439 They argue that across continents in millennia, we find these 54 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:54,400 accounts of a powerful, intelligent species that has been monitoring 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,280 or maybe even guiding human. 56 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:57,719 Speaker 1: Development and doing it from the water. 57 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,439 Speaker 2: Operating primarily from the deepest, least exploded parts of our planet, 58 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,319 the water. 59 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: So we're going to build this case for you piece 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,039 by piece, starting with that physical anomaly. Let's unpack this 61 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,240 by starting right where the evidence hits the surface. Japan 62 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,080 twenty fourteen and the enduring legend of the Kappa. 63 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:15,719 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 64 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: So the story begins with this very recent public display, 65 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,840 which is a fascinating lens to view a very old. 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,199 Speaker 2: Myth, right, because it brings it into the modern day. 67 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: The source describes the artifact as the mummified remains of 68 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:32,639 a creature allegedly a Kappa. This exhibition, taking place at 69 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,879 the Miyakinosro Schmazo residence, wasn't necessarily about scientific verification. 70 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,879 Speaker 2: It was more of a cultural event exactly. 71 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:44,039 Speaker 1: It was about presenting a significant historical artifact that just 72 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,680 has this astonishing backstory. 73 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:49,039 Speaker 2: And what gives the remains such historical weight, regardless of 74 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:53,439 their ultimate authenticity, is the alleged discovery date, which was 75 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:57,599 eighteen eighteen. That's the story. These remains were purportedly found 76 00:03:57,719 --> 00:03:59,919 after the creature had been shot near a local river. 77 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,719 So it wasn't a peaceful encounter, no, not at all, 78 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,759 which immediately frames the Kappa not as some distant mythological entity, 79 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,879 but as a hostile life form interacting pretty violently with 80 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,039 local populations. 81 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: And for centuries, this artifact has been held up as 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,079 potential proof of this legendary water. 83 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: Child Water Child. 84 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: Right. The remains with those webbed hands and feet are 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,600 consistent with the traditional descriptions of an amphibious or sea animal. 86 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:29,920 It's the physical starting point for the whole AT hypothesis. 87 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,319 Speaker 2: It's the tangible thing you can point to exactly. 88 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: And when we look at the physical description of the 89 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,879 kappa itself, according to the folklore detailed by Dominic Stevo 90 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,319 in our source material, it moves so far beyond the 91 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,279 simple natural evolution of a fish or a frog. 92 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: Oh. 93 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it sounds like something I don't know, bioengineered. It's 94 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,360 full of contradictions. 95 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:53,879 Speaker 2: It's a remarkably specific description, and that specificity is absolutely 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 key to the AAT argument. While the literal translation of 97 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,720 kappa water child sounds. 98 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:01,399 Speaker 1: You know, a most cute, it sounds benign. 99 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, the creature's nature is anything but. According to traditions 100 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,399 recorded all across Japan, the kappa is usually about five 101 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:09,279 feet in height. 102 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: Which puts it squarely in the humanoid ring. 103 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:14,879 Speaker 2: Squarely, but its physical composition is just bizarre. Its skin 104 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,079 is scaly, often described as blue or green, which you 105 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,959 could argue suggest adaptation to deep or murky water. 106 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: Okay, that part makes sense, but. 107 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: Then it also has a distinct turtle shell on its back, 108 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,959 a shell a shell, and most strikingly, a beak. 109 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,639 Speaker 1: A beak, that's the part that just doesn't fit. We 110 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,920 associate beaks with birds, you know, land and air creatures 111 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,000 or maybe some marine reptiles, right, But combining that with 112 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,160 a humanoid frame and webbed hands, while still allegedly allowing 113 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:47,439 for complex communication, that just raises immediate flags for these theorists. 114 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: It does. The question becomes, if this thing evolved on Earth, 115 00:05:50,759 --> 00:05:53,800 why these highly disparate traits all mashed together. 116 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: It's like a platypus on steroids exactly. 117 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,639 Speaker 2: But the most crucial piece of anatomy, the detail that 118 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,959 truly separates the Kappa from standard cryptozoological myths and governs 119 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,839 its survival and power, has to be what they call 120 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:07,639 the water plate. 121 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: This word gets really technical and frankly fascinating. Explain the 122 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,879 operational parameters of this water plate. 123 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:16,079 Speaker 2: Okay, So this is the detail that the AATs really 124 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,399 sees upon as evidence of a non terrestrial origin or 125 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:24,240 maybe a poorly adapted genetic design. The creature has a plate, 126 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:27,279 a crucial depression or saucer, right on the top of 127 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:30,720 its head, and this plate must always contain water. 128 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:31,879 Speaker 1: It's not optional. 129 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,639 Speaker 2: It is a fundamental, non negotiable requirement for its survival. 130 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:40,000 The consequence of spilling this water is immediate and total 131 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:40,720 loss of power. 132 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,399 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Loss of power? 133 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,199 Speaker 2: The Kappa can reportedly become paralyzed, unable to move, and 134 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,800 can actually die within a very short period of time. 135 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:51,879 If that water is lost or evaporates. 136 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: That's a staggering evolutionary vulnerability. 137 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: It's insane. 138 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,959 Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. If a species evolves naturally 139 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,199 in a wet environment, say a jungle or a river, 140 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,560 it develops defenses against dehydration. It doesn't develop a single 141 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:11,639 highly exposed catastrophic weakness like a bowl of water on 142 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,199 its head. 143 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: It's like putting a self destruct button right on top. 144 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,959 If you were a predator, you'd know exactly where to strike. 145 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: It's a design flaw. 146 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: It raises a very important question. Why would an intelligent 147 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:24,319 five foot tall creature that supposedly evolved on Earth possess 148 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:26,120 such a fragile Achilles heel? 149 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,399 Speaker 1: And the at answer is. 150 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,839 Speaker 2: It didn't evolve here. The need for constant localized hydration 151 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:35,439 suggests a species that evolved on a world, a water planet, 152 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:37,720 where the atmosphere is vastly. 153 00:07:37,319 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: Different, like fully saturated with moisture exactly, so when you 154 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:45,879 place that creature in Earla's relatively dry atmosphere, it requires 155 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:51,000 this water plate as a necessary, if dangerous adaptation to 156 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,879 maintain its physiological balance. 157 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: It's not a natural feature. 158 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: It's a life support system. 159 00:07:55,639 --> 00:07:59,079 Speaker 1: And according to Ken Geerhard in the video, this highly 160 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:04,319 vulnerable yet intelligent creature uses its power for pretty malevolent purposes. 161 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: That's the other side of it. 162 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,639 Speaker 1: It's categorized in folklore as a water demon, malevolent and. 163 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: Quite violent, and this hostility is really why the legend 164 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,120 has persisted so strongly for so long. Gerhard noted the 165 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,920 specific warnings for children, right, Yes, children are told to 166 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,120 stay away from bodies of water because the Kappa will 167 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,560 physically drag them in and. 168 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,079 Speaker 1: Drown them, which is terrifying. 169 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,639 Speaker 2: It's horrifying. And if we accept the aat premise that 170 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,080 these myths are echoes of real interactions, then we're dealing 171 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,000 with a potentially hostile territorial aquatic species, one. 172 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: That views humanity, particularly the vulnerable, as either prey or 173 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,360 a threat to their domain. 174 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,159 Speaker 2: Precisely. 175 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,039 Speaker 1: What stands out to me is the longevity and the 176 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,639 continuing relevance of this. 177 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: Warning, it's not just an old story, right, even. 178 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: In modern Japan. The source confirms that while the accounts 179 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:56,679 are rare, sightings reportedly still occur in remote areas they 180 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,759 mentioned the Fukuoka Prefecture they do, and that official persistence 181 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,120 is key. Signs are still posted near bodies of water 182 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:05,720 throughout Japan warning. 183 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: Of the Kappa no way really. 184 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: Yes, this isn't just a dusty myth confined to historical scrolls. 185 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,799 It remains an active part of local public awareness and caution. 186 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: Wow. So it's a fascinating overlap of deep historical fear 187 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,639 and modern low level protocol. 188 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: So if the creature is real, the critical element for 189 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:28,679 the theorists has to be its intelligence. Of course, David 190 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,039 Wilcock highlights that these creatures of the report is having 191 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,200 an unusual intelligence and as we mentioned, despite the beak, 192 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,399 they can reportedly speak. 193 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,399 Speaker 2: That's the real kicker. 194 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,639 Speaker 1: That ability to communicate, paired with a non terrestrial seeming 195 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:45,120 physique and an extreme biological vulnerability, it just shifts the 196 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:45,919 whole discussion. 197 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,799 Speaker 2: It does. It moves from a simple cryptid like a 198 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:51,919 bigfoot to a potential intelligence. 199 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: Species and the ultimate proof which connects this two hundred 200 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,080 year old artifact to modern inquiry lies in the remains themselves. 201 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:04,039 The physical right willcock poses the core AAT question, Will 202 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,919 we find genetic markers that clearly show that it could 203 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:08,240 not be something from Earth? 204 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: And that's the scientific hammer for this whole part of 205 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:11,559 the theory, isn't it. 206 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,159 Speaker 1: It has to be if these mummified remains allegedly from 207 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:18,799 eighteen eighteen were to be genetically sequenced. 208 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,279 Speaker 2: Assuming they aren't just an artful assembly of you know, 209 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,519 monkey and fish parts, which happened a fair point. 210 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: But if they were sequenced and found to contain DNA 211 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,200 or molecular structures that fall outside our known biological classification systems. 212 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:33,279 Speaker 2: That would be the turning point. 213 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: A huge one. It would validate the entire AAT query. 214 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,039 Is the Kappa indigenous to planet Earth? Or did its 215 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,200 ancestors arrive here from somewhere else? 216 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: And the search for those markers is what elevates the 217 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:48,720 legend from a simple folklore warning to a potential biological 218 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:51,000 case study of non terrestrial life. 219 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,399 Speaker 1: A life that found a very precarious home in Earth's. 220 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: Waters, And the focus ultimately is the possibility that this 221 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:03,399 intelligent aquatic species didn't evolve through the slow linear process 222 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,519 of terrestrial evolution we understand, but was introduced, introduced either 223 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:10,519 by design or by crash landing from somewhere else. 224 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: Entirely, it's the first step in what they say is 225 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,919 a global pattern. The Kappa serves as the potential physical example, however, 226 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:17,840 contested the. 227 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 2: Physical evidence here on Earth. 228 00:11:19,759 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: So if this creature needs water to survive, where did 229 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,480 the idea that aquatic beings could arive from the sky 230 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:26,120 come from? 231 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: And that's the next crucial piece of the puzzle, Because 232 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,399 the theory needs context. We have to move from the 233 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,039 specific tangible mummified remains in Japan to the historical accounts 234 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,600 of mermaid like creatures worldwide. 235 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: Which AAT suggests provide the necessary context. 236 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: The context for understanding the non terrestrial origin of these 237 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,399 aquatic humanoids. The Kappa might be local to Japan, but 238 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,159 the mythology of half human half fish entities is universal. 239 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: But with an unexpected cosmic twist. 240 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,159 Speaker 2: And often overlooked cosmic twists. 241 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: You know you instinctively assume mermaids are just as sea 242 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:00,360 base my. 243 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:02,879 Speaker 2: Right sailors seeing manatees. 244 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: Exactly a cautionary tale for lonely sailors. But the earliest 245 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,000 accounts of mermaid like creatures. They reveal a shockingly direct 246 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:14,080 link not to the debotion, but to beings that came 247 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:15,080 down from the heavens. 248 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: And here's where the global mythology starts to reveal what 249 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:21,039 could be a shared origin story. The source sites an 250 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,960 ancient Syrian narrative dating back as far as one thousand BC. 251 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: The goddess of Targoddess the. 252 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,759 Speaker 2: Goddess of Targetus, and the story is highly specific and 253 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,840 often overlooked in modern retellings. She was a powerful celestial figure, 254 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,039 a goddess, but tragedy struck. 255 00:12:36,279 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: And you have to detail that tragedy because it's what 256 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,159 explains the critical transition from sky to water. 257 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: It's the whole key at Targoddess, according to the legend, 258 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:48,200 fell in love with a mortal shepherd, but in a 259 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,519 fit of well unintended violence or perhaps just great sorrow, 260 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,200 she caused his death. 261 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: Oh Wow. 262 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:58,919 Speaker 2: Overcome by grief and profound shame, she decided to abandon 263 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,399 her divine celestial form, and her method of self concealment 264 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:04,639 was spectacular. 265 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: She came down from the sky. 266 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: She came down from the sky, dove into a lake 267 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,159 near Ascalon and transformed into a half fish, half human creature. 268 00:13:12,279 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: The narrative structure there is just yeah, it's everything. She 269 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:17,320 is a celestial being first. 270 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: An entity arriving from the sky. 271 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: Yes, and only then after landing does she adopt the 272 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:25,039 aquatic form. She seeks out the water not because it's 273 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:26,919 her home, but because it serves as a method of 274 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,480 adaptation or in this case, hiding. 275 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: Exactly. The transformation is triggered after her celestial arrival and 276 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:37,279 her subsequent earthly trauma, and the celestial connection isn't isolated either, right. 277 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: Coleman in the Source Material mentions this. 278 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,799 Speaker 2: He does. Coleman notes that similar narratives exist in the 279 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,600 ancient classic authors from the Greeks to the Sumerians. You 280 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,360 see these tales of fish humanoids where there is a 281 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:51,440 very direct connection with the heavens. 282 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: So this is where the ancient astronaut framework provides its synthesis. 283 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: This is their bread and butter. 284 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: Instead of assuming every culture independently created a myth about 285 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,080 a grieving goddess who turns into a fish, AATs look 286 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:08,200 for a single common denominator. 287 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: A shared experience that was later translated into religious or 288 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,000 mythological narratives. 289 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: So If the beings in these ancient myths are consistently 290 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,799 described as arriving from the sky before becoming aquatic, the 291 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,320 aat conclusion drawn by Coleman is pretty straightforward. 292 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: It is these tales point to a feitch like creature 293 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:26,600 that comes from outer space. 294 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: They interpret falling from the sky not as a metaphor 295 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,320 for divinity, but. 296 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,519 Speaker 2: As a literal description of an atmospheric entry, possibly a 297 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:37,279 crash landing or a controlled descent of a craft carrying 298 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:38,200 aquatic beings. 299 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,399 Speaker 1: That completely changes the context of these stories. If they 300 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,519 are skyfish rather than oceanfish, it implies an intelligence capable 301 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:47,080 of interstellar travel. 302 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: Or at the very least, interplanetary travel, and the presence 303 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,120 of these myths across vastly separate cultures Syria, Greece, potentially 304 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,919 Summer suggests the phenomenon wasn't localized globally witnessed. It could 305 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:05,200 have been. And this wider implication, as the source suggests, 306 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:07,600 is the existence of something that may not even be 307 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:10,039 connected to our known biological world. 308 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,279 Speaker 1: So we're not just looking for an undiscovered evolved animal 309 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,960 like the Lockness monster. 310 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: Not at all. We are potentially looking for an entire 311 00:15:17,919 --> 00:15:22,320 biological class that either evolved elsewhere or was bioengineered and 312 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,799 then utilized Earth's vast water resources as their ideal habitat. 313 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: Upon arrival, and that sequence is always the same, First 314 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:32,799 the arrival from the sky and only then the retreat 315 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,360 into the water. 316 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: It reinforces the whole idea. 317 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: It reinforces the idea that the aquatic environment might be 318 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:39,720 necessary for their survival. 319 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: On Earth, maybe due to the physiological need for high pressure, 320 00:15:42,559 --> 00:15:46,840 a specific temperature, or crucially constant overwhelming hydration just like. 321 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:48,559 Speaker 1: The caps fragile water plate demands. 322 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: It creates a perfectly consistent narrative. From their point of view, 323 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:55,320 the terrestrial need for water in the AATVW is the 324 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,759 necessary result of a non terrestrial journey. 325 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,639 Speaker 1: So we have the potential physical evidence in Japan, right, 326 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,559 we have the mythological pattern of celestial arrival in the 327 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:08,679 Middle East. Now, to find the strongest case for an 328 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:14,080 intelligent aquatic extraterrestrial visitor, we have to find a tradition 329 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,600 that unites both that spectacular arrival narrative and the concept 330 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,840 of knowledge distribution, and that takes. 331 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:22,679 Speaker 2: Us from the rivers of Japan and the seas of 332 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,480 the Mediterranean to west Africa to West Africa, where the 333 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:29,000 Dogon people have preserved a tradition that, according to the 334 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,919 at community, contains evidence that simply cannot be explained away 335 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,320 by terrestrial mythology. 336 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: For the ancient astronaut theorists, this is the big one. 337 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:40,320 It really is the most compelling evidence that humanoid sea 338 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,000 creatures not only existed, but came from beyond our Earth 339 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,600 is found in the deeply preserved origin tale of the 340 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,559 Nomo spirits of the Dogon people. 341 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: So the Dogon, a powerful and ancient culture residing in Mali, 342 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:55,519 have these ancestral spirits. They call the Nomo the Nomo, 343 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,799 and crucially the Nomo we're not just you know, nature 344 00:16:58,879 --> 00:17:02,799 spirits revolved animal. They were, according to their creation myth, 345 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:07,000 the very first living creatures created by the Dogon sky 346 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:07,759 god Amma. 347 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: So that elevates them immediately. 348 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:13,519 Speaker 2: It elevates them to a foundational, almost proto human species 349 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,559 within their cosmology. It gives them immense authority, and. 350 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:21,519 Speaker 1: Their physical descriptions they aligned perfectly with the repeating theme 351 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:22,640 we've been tracking globally. 352 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,039 Speaker 2: They're described as amphibious, hermaphroditic, and highly fish like creatures. 353 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:32,079 Speaker 1: So this consistent pattern intelligent, water dependent, humanoid but fish 354 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,039 like entities across continents, from the five foot Kappa to 355 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,720 the grief stricken Acrogattis. It suggests a shared historical encounter. 356 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,759 Speaker 2: It's a compelling pattern. Now let's look at the arrival narrative, 357 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:47,039 which is just spectacular and forms the intellectual backbone of 358 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:48,240 the aat argument. 359 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: George Sucolos in the source material he details this spectacular descent. 360 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: He does the Nomo reportedly descended from the stars in 361 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,160 a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. 362 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,319 Speaker 1: That does not sound like a gentle ethereal manifestation. 363 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:05,599 Speaker 2: No, this is a description of technology engaging with our atmosphere. 364 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:11,039 Sukolos describes the landing in dramatic, almost violent terms. 365 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: A loud, noisy whirlwind. 366 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 2: Yes, that made the earth shake when the vessel finally landed. 367 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:22,000 You can just picture the sensory experience intense heat, deafening sound, 368 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:24,839 massive turbulence, physical fourth. 369 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: And Henry, another commentator, connects this account to other ancient 370 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,119 traditions of extraterrestrial beings, writing upon. 371 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,519 Speaker 2: Clouds, interpreting the cloud and the whirlwind as the exhaust 372 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:39,519 or disruption caused by a powerful spacecraft. 373 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:40,839 Speaker 1: Which immediately raises the question. 374 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:44,839 Speaker 2: If these accounts are descriptions of ancient technology a spacecraft 375 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,599 entering the atmosphere and landing, then, as Henry asks, did 376 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:52,079 the Nomo come from the stars? Were they extraterrestrial beings 377 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:54,400 that came to Earth specifically to teach the Dogon? 378 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,279 Speaker 1: And that's the key their function. According to Dogon traditions, 379 00:18:57,319 --> 00:18:59,680 it was explicit they were called the monitors and the teachers. 380 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: This role as instructors is a critical distinction from, say, 381 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:07,519 the violent Kappa. The source material states explicitly that the 382 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:10,519 Dogon's knowledge of everything was given to them by that 383 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:12,799 being that descended in a whirlwind from the sky. 384 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,559 Speaker 1: So if these were extraterrestrial visitors, they were not passive observers. 385 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: Not at all. They were knowledge distributors and cultural architects, 386 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:25,920 providing fundamental understanding of agriculture, social structure, and, most importantly 387 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,759 for the aat case, astronomy and. 388 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: The astronomical knowledge they allegedly possessed is where the story 389 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,039 truly becomes anomalous and frankly, very difficult to dismiss as 390 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,119 mere mythology. 391 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: This is the serious b paradox. David Wilcock highlights the 392 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,240 remarkable scientific knowledge attributed to the Nomo. 393 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:48,079 Speaker 1: The Noomo reportedly described the stars serious as their point 394 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:48,960 of origin. 395 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:50,599 Speaker 2: Which is the brightest star on our night sky. 396 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:53,559 Speaker 1: Easy enough, easy enough, But they didn't just mention the bright, 397 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,960 easily visible star Serius A. The astounding detail is that 398 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,440 they reportedly possessed very active, curate information about a dwarf 399 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:03,200 star called Serious. 400 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:06,039 Speaker 2: B, a star that wasn't even known to Western astronomy 401 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:08,839 at the time their traditions were first recorded by French 402 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,599 ethnographers in the nineteen thirties. 403 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,839 Speaker 1: We really need to unpack why that knowledge is so astounding. 404 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:14,559 Speaker 2: Please do. 405 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,839 Speaker 1: Serious B is not visible to the naked eye. It's impossible. 406 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:21,400 It is a white dwarf companion to the much much 407 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,680 brighter Serious. 408 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,559 Speaker 2: A, and it's a marvel of physics. White dwarfs are 409 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,759 incredibly dense remnants of stars that have exhausted their nuclear fuel. 410 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,839 Speaker 1: I read that a spoonful of Serious B matter would 411 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,759 weigh many tons on Earth. 412 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: That's the claim. So for the dug On to possess 413 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,799 accurate knowledge of this star, its invisible nature, its immense density, 414 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,599 and critically, its precise fifty year elliptical orbital period around 415 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,799 serious A that. 416 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,319 Speaker 1: Suggests knowledge far beyond what was possible without advanced instrumentation. 417 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:54,759 Speaker 2: Specifically powerful telescopes that Western science only began using to 418 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,640 verify this orbit accurately in the mid twentieth century. 419 00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:01,559 Speaker 1: So the at interpretation is that this specific advanced knowledge 420 00:21:01,559 --> 00:21:03,759 had to have been imparted by visitors who came from 421 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:04,880 that very star system. 422 00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: It's the only explanation that fits. In their view, no 423 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:12,720 terrestrial culture should have known about serious B. This specific 424 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:17,160 scientific detail, intertwined with a creation myth is often presented 425 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,480 as the ultimate smoking gun of the dogon mythology. 426 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: Because it ties the origin story to verifiable astronomical fact 427 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,160 that was seemingly impossible for them to acquire on their own. 428 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: And this is how the Nomo elevate the whole conversation. 429 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,720 The Kappa only gives us biological ambiguity, The Nomo gives 430 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:38,359 us advanced physics and a history of intervention. 431 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: The dogal claim they received this knowledge from amphibious creatures 432 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,920 who arrive from the specific star system that knowledge describes. 433 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:48,279 It's a closed loop, it is, And let's bring it 434 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,240 all back to the central motif. The aquatic comparative. Immediately 435 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:55,200 upon landing after that spectacular entry of the fire and 436 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,920 thunder and exiting their craft. What did the Nomo do? 437 00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:00,759 Speaker 2: They almost immediately got into the water, a most immediately. 438 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,839 Speaker 1: This action reinforces the global pattern we saw with the 439 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,079 grieving at Targattess and the persistent critical need for wire 440 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,039 exemplified by the Kappas water plate. 441 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:14,039 Speaker 2: Since the Noma were essentially fish like humanoids, the source concludes, 442 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,160 it seems that they needed to be in the water 443 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:17,039 for survival. 444 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,519 Speaker 1: The water wasn't a recreational stop. 445 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: No, it was a critical necessity upon arrival. 446 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,759 Speaker 1: And the implication of that is profound. These intelligent beings 447 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:31,200 travel vast distances, survive an incredibly turbulent re entry, impart 448 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,599 advanced scientific knowledge that defies their technological era, and. 449 00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:39,799 Speaker 2: Then reveal their true nature as amphibious creatures whose primary 450 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,519 immediate need is hydration. 451 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:44,799 Speaker 1: It implies a species evolved on an environment so different 452 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:48,839 from ours that our atmosphere is toxic or quickly fatal 453 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,200 to them. 454 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,839 Speaker 2: So when you synthesize all of this, the origin story, 455 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,759 the spectacular technological arrival, the role as teachers and monitors, 456 00:22:55,759 --> 00:23:00,359 the unprecedented, verifiable astronomical knowledge of serious b and that 457 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,880 immediate need to enter the water. 458 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: The final at conclusion is the only logical one within 459 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,799 their framework. 460 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,799 Speaker 2: The source material states it definitively, we are definitely dealing 461 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:11,759 with some sort of intelligent aquatic humanoid species that came 462 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:14,240 here as an extraterrestrial visitor from outer space. 463 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: And that conclusion requires us to accept that the Nomo 464 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,039 myths are not just symbolic creation allegories. 465 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: But accurate historical records of an alien species landing on Earth, 466 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,200 teaching early humans and establishing a sophisticated hidden base of 467 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:32,440 operations in our aquatic. 468 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:36,839 Speaker 1: Environments, hidden from the dry land based human world. Huge 469 00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:40,680 claim it is, so let's briefly link the thrilling threads 470 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,440 we falled apart in our discussion today tracing the journey 471 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,079 from the physical to the celestial. 472 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: Let's tie it all together. 473 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: We started with the physical. Webed remains of the Japanese Kappa, 474 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,960 the territorial water child with scaly skin, and that fragile 475 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:54,799 water plate. 476 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:58,559 Speaker 2: Whose biological vulnerability suggests adaptation to a foreign environment. 477 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,079 Speaker 1: We move to the mythological evidence exploring the celestial connection 478 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,319 in ancient mermaid myths, where deities like Etar Goddis are 479 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,039 explicitly documented as arriving from the sky before diving into lake. 480 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:12,079 Speaker 2: Marking water is a necessary destination, not an origin point 481 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:12,599 on Earth. 482 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,079 Speaker 1: And we finished with the numbo of the Dogon, who 483 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,079 provide the highest level of aat evidence, the spectacle of 484 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,680 star travel, the undisputed role as ancient teachers. 485 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: And the precise accurate knowledge of the invisible serious B 486 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,359 star system, all confirming an origin story from beyond. 487 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: Earth blinked inexorably to the immediate need for water upon landing. 488 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: The underlying powerful thread running through all three segments is 489 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,960 what we're calling the aquatic imperative right. 490 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: The theory that intelligent aquatic species are not just mythological 491 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,920 but perhaps non terrestrial visitors who used Earth's massive oceans 492 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,519 and rivers as a necessary base, a hiding place, or 493 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:53,640 a functional habitat. 494 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: So if we accept the premise that these multiple separate 495 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:00,920 cultures Japan, Syria, West Africa all have have these deeply 496 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:04,839 ingrained traditions of intelligent fifh like humanoids who came from 497 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:07,000 the sky and immediately salt water, we. 498 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,519 Speaker 1: Had to consider the vast implications for exobiology. 499 00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:13,079 Speaker 2: We do, what does this consistent global tradition say about 500 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,039 the potential uniformity of life that could develop on water 501 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,160 rich planets. 502 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,519 Speaker 1: Beyond Earth, that's a great question. 503 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,599 Speaker 2: If these beings capable of interstellar travel are always depicted 504 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,559 as amphibious or dependent on aquatic environments, perhaps the dominant 505 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,720 form of intelligence in the cosmos is water based. 506 00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: Using land only for brief exploration or teaching purposes, while 507 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,839 maintaining permanent residence in the deep blue exactly. And this 508 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,319 raises a profound final thought for you to ponder something 509 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,000 that builds on the necessity of that water plate and 510 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:47,680 the Dogonznomo. Okay, if these noomo traveled across the gulf 511 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,200 of space and immediately needed to immerse themselves, does this 512 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,720 suggest they evolved on a planet fundamentally different from ours, 513 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000 like a super Earth entirely covered in water, a water 514 00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:01,440 world where land masses in dry air are fatal, maybe 515 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,960 even corrosive. If the Kappa's alleged intelligence and the no 516 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:08,880 most accurate knowledge of Series B are rooted in historical encounters, 517 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:09,799 then we have. 518 00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 2: To ask are these creatures ancient cautionary tales warning children 519 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,000 away from rivers or. 520 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,759 Speaker 1: Are they historical records pointing toward an intelligent aquatic species 521 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,359 that still monitors Earth from its deep blue hidden vantage point. 522 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: That's the question. 523 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,039 Speaker 1: We've presented the sources and followed the framework now based 524 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,640 on the myths and claims we've unpacked today, from the 525 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,839 mummified Kappa to the Nomo star charts, where do you 526 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,480 fall in the question of the aquatic comparative? Let us 527 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,799 know what you think Until next time, Keep those threads thrilling.