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Speaker 1: The following presentation Isndel Marvis Studio's production.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is

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your host, George Hobbs.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time

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for another edition of the fact Hunter podcast as we

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record on this Wednesday, March twenty fifth, twenty twenty six.

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I hope this message find you well. We're having a

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beautiful spring day here today. I guess it's just about spring.

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I can't believe it's been eight or nine months since

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we've had this guest on. His name is Justin Ellenboss.

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He came on back in July of last year and

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we talked about true Israel and obviously with everything that's

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going on in the world right now, and I guess

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what they call the great noticing there are a few

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people that I know in my circle who are more

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well versed, not so much historically, but biblically grounded, and

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that's where we should be looking for direction. And you know,

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with everything going on between Israel Iran, and you know,

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it feels like we're on the brink of bigger things.

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I thought now would be a perfect time to bring

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Justin back on the podcast, and without any further Ado,

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let's go ahead and do that justin thanks again for

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taking the time and joining us again to Dad, I

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really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Praise God. Thank you for having mean George, it's great

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to be.

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Speaker 3: Here, Amen. And you know, I guess the way to

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kick it off is just to ask your personal reflection

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of where things are at. I think it's been twenty

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twenty two days since these things kicked off. First off,

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is this somewhere do you think that is biblically? Is

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this something that you know what's going on in the world,

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Is something that you could find in revelation? Or what

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are your thoughts on all the events that are going

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on right now between Israel, the United States, Iran, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything, that's thank you. Can let me start with

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this because I forgot to do this last time and

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I am really lamented it afterwards. Do you mind if

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I open us up in a word of prayer? Of course, Brother,

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all right, we're gonna go a bow our heads. Heavenly Father,

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I thank you today for the opportunity to gather with

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my brother George, and that you will allow us to

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speak not of our own understanding Father, but to trust

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the Lord or God with all our heart, and to

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have your word and be all that we speak today. Father,

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I asked that it be your lesson and your teaching

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that goes out across the airways that allow those whom

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you have called to hear to be the ones who

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hear the Holy Spirit and not us. Let it be

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your words in our mouth and your understanding in our hearts.

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Give us spiritual eyes to see, ears to hear in

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hearts to understand all that you would teach us today

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of the true Israel of God, who is Christ, Jesus

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our Lord and your name. We pray Amen, Amen, thank you, yeah,

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thank you. So to go to your question, this situation,

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it's it's consistent with what you see throughout history. And

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do I I get this question all the time because

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I've as in the previous studies that we've done, I've

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shown you I go by the Lord's teaching and how

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we are supposed to understand scripture, which is all of

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scripture speaks in parable parable and teaches us of Him.

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And the word parable is just another way of saying

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figuratively or spiritually. And so when we're talking about the

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Book of Revelation, the Book of Revelation is a gathering

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of visions from John that teaches us of the life

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of a Christian once he has come to a knowledge

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of the truth in Jesus Christ, and not speaking externally

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of the world, but internally of the workings within a man.

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And how the war that takes place within us, with

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the war of our youthful passions and the war of

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our desires, as Peter and James teach us, that go

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on within us. And we truly understand the new creation

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of the new heavens and the new Earth, and that

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God has declared the end from the beginning, meaning that

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Genesis chapter one is a declaration of God's creation of

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the new Man, who is the new heavens and the

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new Earth. Though he gave first, he gave the carnal

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creation first. That carnal creation is a mere shadow of

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what God is doing internally among Christians. So when we

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see these things transpiring out in the world, we look

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at them as just the logical outworking of what a

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fallen world, which is not the Kingdom of God, as

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Christ has said throughout the scriptures, as his kingdom is

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not of this world. So we see the logical outworking

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of this fallen world and this fallen kingdom of darkness,

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where men who have corrupted and twisted the understanding of

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what is holy and taken that which is common and

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that which is unclean and call it holy, and taking

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that which is holy and calling it common and unclean.

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are the creation of God, who are meant to be

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made in the image of Jesus Christ, when we look

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at this and we see what's happening with counterfeit carnal Israel,

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and I say that again not to and I want

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to be very clear because I hear so many podcasts

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of men who look at these Kazarian Jews and who

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look at these men and they are filled with so

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much vehement hate, especially with everything that is being revealed

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in the Epstein files, everything that's happening with this conflict,

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and we need to recognize that these men are fallen

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just as we are. And Romans too. Is very clear.

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We have no excuse we who judge, for we who

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judge practice the very same things. We can't go by

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degrees and sit here and say that, well, they're cannibals

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and I'm not like or they're murderers who are killing

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and massacring children in genocide, and I'm not all of us.

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As Romans three teaches us, there is no one who

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does good, not even one. So when we rightly understand

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what Scripture is saying to us, what God is teaching

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us in the scripture, that only God is good and

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all men are evil, then we can start to look

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at these conflicts and we can start to have compassion

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even for those who are utterly sold out to sin

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and utterly sold out to evil. And we can have

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mercy on those who are our enemies, just as Christ

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had mercy on us when we were yet enemies to him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so spot on. The first thing they teach

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in seminary is to understand that man is broken. I mean,

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before you learn it, you have to understand that man

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is broken, even the most you know, you see the

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pastor the eighty year old guy who dresses perfect who

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delivers doctrine perfectly. We hold these people on a pedal

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there as broken as us. Everybody is broken. And if

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you're going at you know, Israel with hate that then

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you're you're on the wrong road. Obviously, when I hear

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people pray for Israel. They may be a little misguided, obviously,

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I say you should pray for Israel that the ninety

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nine percent of the people who live within those borders

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find the Lord. I even talked about in our sunny

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school class last week about people have emailed me how

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do I pray during times of war? Somebody even wrote

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in their email, do I pray for the United States

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guy who's about to drop bombs for his protection? And

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when he drops the bombs, it only finds the bad guys?

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What defines the bad guys? If we're all broken like

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he really broke it down to, it really opens your eyes.

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And it's simple. You pray for those who are not

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in Christ that they find him number one. You pray

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for those in harm's way. Period doesn't matter. And what

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the most important thing is those who are lost. You

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have to pray that they find salvation. But so many

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people believe that everyone who lives in the border of Iran,

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every last one of them, are lost. And you know

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they're bound by this tyrannical government. And everybody inside Israel

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is free and is God selected people, and we are

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to hold them in a higher kind of position than

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you and I and I've told people, and don't listen

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to George. Research for yourself. There's upwards of a million

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Christians within the Bords viron. There's very few Christians in Israel.

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And if you try to witness, you can go on

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YouTube and find hundreds of videos of people who go

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to Israel to try to spread the gospel of Jesus

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Christ and look and see how they get treated. So

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it is a complicated narrative, especially with a certain generation,

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to get them to understand what's really going on under there.

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So when we are going on over their pardon me.

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So when we speak about it, we should speak with compassion.

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But also, like you said before, we hit the record button,

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show them scripture and then if it ignites them or

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upsets them, that's out of your hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Lord says in Ezekiel chapter two, he is

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He says, son of Man, go to the rebellious house

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of Israel. And depending on your translation, it talks about

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the Pagans, the pagan house. It talks about that this

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house is Nations. It talks because again Israel, So Israel,

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according to the scripture, is the entire world. The entire

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world has been given grace by God, meaning that Christ's

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sacrifice is sufficient for everyone and is efficacious for anyone

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who will come to him. The problem is is the

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vast majority of the world has turned away from him.

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It's no longer just one small genealogical bloodline, or ethnic

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group or geographical bordered nation that God has stated, as

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he does say in Isaiah chapter nine, that he has

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expanded the nation of Israel, expanded it, and he has

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brought in the multitude of nations to make them one.

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And we can go through there are there are several

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passages that just absolutely solidify this in the scripture. And

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I'm happy to go wherever you would want to go

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today with that, because again, what we have is why

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this is so hard for us today is we have

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a counterfeit Israel that has been given. And I say

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counterfeit Israel because that's what it is, because Jesus Christ.

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Let me declare this clearly, Jesus Christ is the Israel

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of God. You need only look through the Old Testament prophets.

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and what he would do, and then go through the

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Gospels and see how the Gospels declare that Christ has

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satisfied all that carnal Israel failed to do in their exodus,

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everything that they failed to do, Christ succeeded. And therefore,

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when God speaks of the Israel that failed in Isaiah

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and the Israel that succeeds, he is talking about two separates.

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He is talking one of the nation of sinful men,

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which again, that nation of sinful men is the nation

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of uns. And that nation is separate from the nation

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that keeps faith is Isaiah twenty six. Because the nation

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of God, the Israel of God is Galatians six sixteen

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teaches us, is the nation that keeps faith, or, as

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the KJV says, the nation that holds to the truth,

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who is Christ. So we have to one second. My

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wife is looking at me. Sorry, I'm going Oh no,

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she's going to pick up lunch. No, you're fine. So

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we you know, we've we quoted Acts seven forty three,

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which quotes off of Amos five twenty six in the

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past about Israel that they have taken up the star

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of Rampham, the star of Mullik or the Kiun and

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their star God. And we made the joke again where

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they say it's the star of David. Well, I would

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ask them what David. I would proclaim to them, it's

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David Rockefeller. That's a good one. Yeah, that's that's a

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whole separate thing. But again we know from first John

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two twenty two through twenty three that who is a

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liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ.

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This is the Antichrist. He who denies the Father and

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the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father.

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as a religion is the is. The modern is the

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modern temporal Jewish people. Again, not what a true Jew

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is according to the scripture, but what men understand used

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to be. They deny Christ's deity. They deny him to

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be Messiah. Ergo, their father is not the father, But

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their father is just as John chapter eight speak, he

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is the Father speaks he is the Father. Their father

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is the father of lies. And so we again must

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look to them and see that they have been brought

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low from their position because they sought righteousness, as Romans

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teaches us, But they sought it without faith. They sought

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it with zeal, But had no faith, and therefore they

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did not achieve it. But those who had faith did

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receive the righteousness of God because they did not seek it,

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as if it was done through self righteousness. So we

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then have to look at them and see the dangerous

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position that they're in and that they are just as

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lost as we were before Christ saved us.

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idea that the Star of David doesn't even exist in

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the Bible. You mentioned x seven, verse forty three, and

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telling that the Jewish people have consistently rejected God's messages

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and have always you know, been based around idolatry and

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even to modern day counterfeit Israel. You get ninety nine

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percent of them they're either completely atheist or you know,

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they're Jewish. They don't have Christ. And you know John

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fourteen six is very clear the only way to the

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Father is through the Sun.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he is the gate. He is the door. I

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mean is John ten teaches us in verse seven and nine,

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I am the door. So I mean again to just

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kind of tie it up again to revelation, how Revelation

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is a vision like we see all of these these

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incredible visions in the Revelation of John or the Apocalypse

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of John. And Revelation chapter four, Verse one says, I

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saw a door open in heaven. That door is Christ,

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meaning that again heavens which are the scripture, Which are

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the scripture which are to be in dwelling in a

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man's heart. Because the Word of God is a manifestation

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of the Holy Spirit. Because the Holy Spirit, which is Word,

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which is the spoken word coming from God, is given

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a physical manifestation in lets by which we may see

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and receive God's Word, no matter what nation, no matter

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what time we live in. And therefore, when that door

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is open in heaven, that's simply to say that just

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what Sewod Corinthians chapter three says is that anyone who

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ar scar excuse mekes me. It says that avail lies

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over the hearts of people when they read the Old

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Testament because they do not turn to Jesus. The only

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way that their hearts are hardened when they read the scripture,

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and avail lies over their face, because the only way

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that that veil can be lifted is by turning to Christ.

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And again you and I can't turn to Christ in

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the physical sense. We can't come to him in the

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physical sense. We can't follow him in the physical sense

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or run after him in the physical sense. We have

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to do these things in the spirit. And how do

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we do that? We go to him In the scripture

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and James chapter one, verse five teaches us that if

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any of you he lacks wisdom, let him ask God,

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who gives abundantly to all who asks. But let him

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ask without doubting. Because One Corinthians chapter one, verse twenty

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four and thirty teaches us that Christ is the wisdom

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of God. So then, when we are looking through the

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Synoptic Gospels, and we hear, ask and you shall receive.

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Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be

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opened unto you. The answer is Christ. Ask for what wisdom?

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Who is Christ? And he will be given unto you. Seek, Seek,

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and you will find. Seek what scripture tells us in

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I believe it's Deuteronomy. If you seek me with all

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of your heart, I found by you. So we seek

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the Lord God who is Christ, with all of our

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heart and the Scripture, and we will find him there.

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Knock and the door will be opened unto you. Knock

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on what open the scriptures, seeking Christ, and you will

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find the open door in the scriptures, that door who

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is Christ? Just as Christ testifies that all the scripture

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testifies of me. He says this in John five point

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thirty nine and forty. He says, all the scripts. You

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search the scriptures because you think in them you have

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eternal life. But I tell you it is these that

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testify of me. Yet you refuse to come to Me. Again.

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We can't do that in the physical sense, so that

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you may have life. So we have a whole nation

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who not only denies Him, but to their own detriment,

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they have established themselves in their pride as a counterfeit

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of Who is the true Israel? Who is Christ? Because

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he is the Kingdom of God, he is the Jerusalem

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of God, he is the Throne, he is all of

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these things. He is the Jacob, he is the David.

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He is Israel. He is all of these things, as

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presented prophetically through the Old Testament. He's given to us.

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Just as it says in Galatians chapter three that Christ

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is all in all. Well, if he is all in all,

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that means he's also Israel. He's also the land. He

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is also the Kingdom. He is the promise everything, all

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of God's as Second Corinthians, Chapter one, eighteen and nineteen

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tells us, says that all of God's promises find their

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yes and amen in Jesus Christ. So therefore we no

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longer need to search and look, and we don't need

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to stare off into the Eschaton and worry and dread

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about the coming of Antichrist. We don't need to be

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afraid of what's happening outside the world, because every single

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one of us is already waging a war internally against ourselves,

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against the old Man. People have asked me, like, do

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you know who Antichrist is? And I say absolutely. His

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name is Justin Ellenboss. There's no he even tells you

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in modern media. He says, I have many names because

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he comes in the name of every man. Any man

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who stands apart from Jesus Christ is Antichrist. Justin Ellenboss

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must die so that Christ may live in me, just

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as Galatian says. It says that through the law, I

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have died to the law so that I may live

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unto another. Therefore, it is no longer I who live,

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but Christ, Jesus who lives in me, and the life

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I now live. I live by faith in the Son

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of God, who loved me and gave his life for me.

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The new creation in me isn't a rejuvenated and better

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justin Ellenboss. It is a dead beheaded justin Ellen Boss,

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who has been beheaded by God. Just as Revelation twenty

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says that all those who have been beheaded, everyone always

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thinks that's talking about that the anti Christ and the

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end times is going to come and becad men, behead

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men for the testimony of God. No, look at what

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the scripture says. The scripture says in Isaiah that God

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is going to cut off head and tail from Israel,

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the head being the prophets and the or no, excuse me,

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the head being the elder man, and the tale being

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the prophets and the seers who preach lie. Now, if

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Christ is the head of the modern day church, or

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excuse me not. If Christ is the head of all

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the church, then when I'm told in Revelation twenty that

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there are those who were beheaded for the testimony of

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Jesus Christ who beheaded them? God, Why because if Christ,

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who is My King, is my head. Then previously I

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had another king who was Satan, who was my former head. Ergo,

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when I came to Christ, I needed to die unto

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my former self. And how did I die? God beheaded me.

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He took my head, who was Satan out and cast

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him down in order that he might graft me into

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the body of Jesus Christ. And also as scripture teaches spiritually,

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that Christ might become my head. So I was beheaded

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spiritually from the head I previously had, which was Satan,

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and I was given the new head, which is Christ.

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I am now a part of the body of Christ,

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who is Israel. And so that should teach me to

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have mercy upon others and not to react with judgment,

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but instead, when I see these things, when I see

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men who are men just as I am, to lament

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and seek God for their salvation. And if, as you said,

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there's a whole nation people are saying that Iran's a

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nation of lost people, well then I need If that

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is God is putting that on my heart and that

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conviction is in me, then I need to start considering.

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Am I to go to that Am I to go

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to those lost people in Iran and preach the Gospel

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until they kill me.

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Speaker 3: I wanted a brief sidebar before I proceed, because you

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mentioned Revelation twenty verse four. I'm going to read it

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and then ask you a question. And I saw thrones,

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and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them.

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And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded

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for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God,

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and which had not worshiped the Beast, neither his image,

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neither had received His mark upon their foreheads or in

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their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for

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one thousand years. So does Justin in your opinion, does

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Revelation twenty four dispel the little season?

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Speaker 1: The little season?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that follows the thousand year reign.

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Speaker 1: So the thousand year reign is just another way. It's

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just another way of saying Christ. It's just as it's

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they reigned in Christ. For Christ is the thousand years.

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For no man prior, for no man has ever attained

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one to a thousand years. A thousand years is just

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another way of saying the fullness and the perfection, because

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every man prior to that died before reaching the fall

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of a thousand years. No man has even drawn close

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in thousands of years. How do we know this because

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Peter in two Peter chapter three says that to God,

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a day is a thousand years, and a thousand years

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is a day. Well, okay, well what does that mean?

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the spiritual meaning of it, God said, let there be light,

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and he called the light day. That light, of course,

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precedes the fourth day in which the sun and the

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moon comes, so that light is separate from the sun

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and the moon. That light is Christ. So Christ ergo

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is the day. He is the light. As he testifies

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in the Gospel of John, I am the light of

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the world. And as it says in the earlier part

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of John, in chapter one, it says, and in him

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was the light of life. In the beginning was the Word,

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and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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And all things were created by him, and nothing was

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created without him. And in him was the light of men,

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excuse me, the life of men. And he is the

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true light. So when it talks about the light being

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the day. So when Peter, who understands this and understands

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the spiritual nature by which the scriptures are to be understood.

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When he says to God, a day is a thousand years,

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a thousand years is a day. What he's doing is

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he's giving a spiritual understanding that when we read these things,

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we're not to look at chronological time periods. We are

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to look to the fullness of Christ. For to God Christ,

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who is the day, is Christ, who is the thousand years.

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It's all fulfilled in Him. How can I again wrap

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this up? If I'm a believer of Jesus Christ Scripture

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says he is all in all for me, there go.

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If a thousand years is a thing, then that thousand

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years is Christ. If a day is a thing, that

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day is Christ. So when it says they will reign

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with him a thousand years, that means they will reign

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in the knowledge and wisdom of God. They will reign

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in Christ Jesus. The season that comes then is the

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old man rearing his ugly, vile head, because Satan has

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Revelation twelve teaches Us has been cast out, And maybe

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it's a good thing that we go there, because Revelation

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twelve absolutely clarifies that Israel is anyone throughout all time

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who has ever kept faith in Jesus Christ, because it

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starts with a declaration of the vision that Joseph receives

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when he is in when he is dreaming of the

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woman with the moon over her head and all the

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stars and everything bowing down, and that in every single

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tea I have ever heard that has ever interpreted that

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passage will proclaim that that is an image of Israel? Correct, Like,

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have you ever heard any other interpretations? Let me go

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there real quick. So it's Revelation chapter twelve, starting a

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verse one, and it says, and a great sign appeared

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in heaven a woman clothed with the sun, with the

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moon under her feet and on her head a crown

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of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out

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in birth pains in the agony of giving birth. Now

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I have never heard anyone interpret this in any other

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way than that is an image of Israel. Would you

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agree or no? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Completely agree?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So in verse five it says, this woman, whoever

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she is, and as men, as men will teach you.

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And this is why again, like I said, I love

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the word of God because he traps men in their conceit.

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Anyone who wants to deny that Jesus Christ is Israel,

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and all believers who who are in him from it

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are part of Israel. This slaughters them because you take

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them here and you get them to declare, oh, yeah,

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that figure is Israel one hundred percent. Get them to

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declare that hold fast to it of their own authority

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or by whatever authority they claim, and let them hold that.

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And just keep reading verse five. This figure she gave

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birth to a male child, one who is to rule

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and rule all the nations with the rod of iron.

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But her child was caught up to God and his throne,

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and the woman fled into the wilderness where she had

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a place prepared by God. Again, I would testify to

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you there that the wilderness is Gentiles. But that's a

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whole nother story, where she had a place prepared by

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God in which she is to be nourished for two

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hundred and sixty days. So I would again ask them,

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the woman is Israel? Correct? Who is the child? They

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should if they are in any way even close to

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following faith, declared that that child is Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: Correct one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: So then we go to the very very end of

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chapter twelve to verse seventeen, and it says this then

482
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the dragon became furious with the woman by our commentary

483
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and by men's commentary, who is Israel, and went off

484
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to make war on the rest of her offspring, on

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those who keep the commandments of God in hold to

486
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the testimony of Jesus Christ. Therefore, God declares, as these

487
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men have trapped themselves in and they can't escape it,

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that Israel has a male son who is Jesus born

489
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unto her, and all of her other offspring are those

490
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who hold to the testimony of Jesus. You need no

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other evidence than this to declare that all believers throughout

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all time who have ever held faith in God, who

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is Jesus Christ for salvation, are Israelites. They can't escape it.

494
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You just need to keep reading. But the thing they'll

495
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do then is they'll just shut their ears. They'll close

496
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their minds, shut down, They'll shut It's the only thing

497
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they can do. They will either turn to it and repent,

498
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which I would sadly, I can testify to you, rarely happens. Yeah,

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you just mentioned that it does happen. Though it does so, yes,

500
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just mentioned what.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, No, you would mention before we hit the record button.

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You had the exact same thing happen to you, and

503
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he shut down and walked away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because when as as Christ tells us, he with,

505
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if we don't, if I don't sit there and I

506
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don't prepare a study, I don't. I don't prepare an argument.

507
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But I just write the word of God on my heart.

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I let the Word of God dwell within me. He

509
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:50,480
tells us that when they when you go before counselors,

510
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when you go before judges, when they bring you before

511
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anyone who wants to debate with you, he will put

512
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words in your mouth that your enemies cannot refuse. And

513
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he says elsewhere of the same that it will not

514
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be you who speaks, but the Holy Spirit who speaks

515
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through you. And how do I know what's the Holy

516
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Spirit speaking? Two Timothy chapter three, fourteen through seventeen tells

517
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me that all the scripture is breathed out by God.

518
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And David himself declares that the Holy Spirit is the

519
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author of all of his writings. So we know that

520
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the Holy When I am speaking the scripture as taught

521
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by Christ, it's not I. They're not refusing me. They're

522
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not walking away from me. They are refusing him. And

523
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they are rebelling against him. And therefore I, just as

524
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the Messenger, can rest in that that even if they

525
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show me hatred, they first hated my Lord and they

526
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hate him because he is true Israel. He is the

527
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only hope. He is the only salvation.

528
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Speaker 3: Yeah, great points. And if we're going to walk like Christ,

529
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we better have the same humility he did. And we

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should put our pride aside and at least be willing

531
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to listen to other people's interpretations. And if it can

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be shown in the Bible, even if you don't agree,

533
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you know, maybe you should take the time in research

534
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before doing what we do naturally as humans, and we

535
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go to our traditions and what we've been indoctrinated with

536
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and kind of shut down because it may affect the

537
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way we live. It's important to listen to other people

538
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and that the way you explained it makes perfect sense.

539
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And two things I want to mention before we get

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too much further. Number one is you had mentioned the

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Synoptic Gospels, and for our listeners, that's the first three

542
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books of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. They're

543
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very similar.

544
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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: They call them synoptic, which actually comes from the Greek

546
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word synopticos able to be seen together as one. John

547
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is different from the three. That's why that stands alone.

548
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And then I kind of want to transfer into shift

549
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a little bit here, justin so in my opinion, I

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feel like the generation before us as a whole, right,

551
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as a group, we're more in the Bible. Then maybe

552
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the generation's my generation and the ones that follow me.

553
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So if that's the case, how is it that like

554
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my grandparents, even my I guess well grandparents, great grandparents,

555
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how did they fall for the lie right, the Schofield

556
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Bible and Zionism and you know, the fake Israel that

557
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:30,960
has been declared since forty seven or forty.

558
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Speaker 1: Eight, because it's exactly what It's exactly what John chapter

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five says is men seek the glory and praise of men,

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and they refuse to seek the glory and praise from God.

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And if another comes in his own name, they will

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honor him. But they refuse to listen to Moses. They

563
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refuse to listen to Christ. They do not have his

564
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word dwelling within them. Anyone can read the scripture. I

565
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can read the scripture if I do not read it

566
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in the way in which Christ, who is the truth,

567
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interprets it, I will be trapped in my own conceit

568
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and God, because scripture says that God will slay the

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wicked by their own evil. He will bring them to death.

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He will slaughter them with the prophets, and he will

571
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hew them by the seers. He will destroy them by

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the very word that should give them life, because they

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are seeking anything other than the truth. If I go

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to the scriptures which declare the truth to me John

575
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fourteen six, I am the truth. So in other words,

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they declare Jesus Christ to me, and I look for

577
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anything other than him. God tells me he will let

578
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me find it, and he will let me kill myself

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with it. He will let me destroy myself with it.

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Because it goes to tewod Peter chapter two that the

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false teachers who lead people astray, they're preaching the word

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of God just like their father did. The devil. What

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does he say? Hath God said, yes, men to see

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whether men have a true knowledge and understanding of the scripture.

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And the only one that ever resisted him rightly and

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fully was Christ, who repeatedly said, it is written, It

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is written. It is written. Because Christ knows the Scripture

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knows that it declared him justice he testifies to and

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therefore he is not led astray by questions that lead

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to doubt. It is okay to question God, it is

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not okay to doubt him, because as Hebrews chapter eleven,

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verse six, is that if anyone draw or without faith,

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it is impossible to please God. For anyone who would

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draw near to him must believe that He exists and

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that he rewards those who seek him. And just as

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like we look at them. And again this goes back

597
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to we talked about this previously. One of the podcast

598
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is we look at these Pharisees, and we look at

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these men of old times, and so many of so

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much of the modern culture believes that men in ancient

601
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days were dumber than we were. They were anderthals. No,

602
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these men knew the Scripture verbatim. They knew the books

603
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of the Old Testament to the letter, but they were

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not reading it by faith. They were reading it as

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though they could achieve righteousness within themselves, instead of acknowledging

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what the Scripture says, which is we are evil and

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only God is good, and we must turn to him

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who is righteous, so that we who are unrighteous may

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be washed clean of our transgressions. And so when we

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look at these old generations who are in the Word,

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we should not be surprised that they stumbled, because it's

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not about being in the Word. It is being about

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being in the Word rightly and seeking the truth in

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the scripture. If we don't seek the truth in the scripture,

615
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God doesn't just say you won't find anything. He says,

616
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if you do not seek the truth, I will destroy

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you in your conceit. As he says in Second Peter

618
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chapter two, he says, they will be destroyed by their

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own destruction, because they are like the dogs that wallow

620
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in the mire. They spew out vomit, and they return

621
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to their own vomit. Well, this is again, it's a

622
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it is a parable. It is a spiritual image of

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if the word of God is to be eaten, we

624
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eat the word of God. Again, we're speaking spiritually. Don't

625
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take a bible and put it in your mouth, but

626
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imbibe the word of God, ruminate on it. If I

627
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take the word of God and it's in my heart.

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And if a false teacher does the same thing, what

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he spews out is vomit. It's bile, and all, as

630
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Isaiah says, all the tables of men are filled with vomit,

631
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because the vomit is I've taken what is good, and

632
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I've eaten it, and now I've chucked it back up.

633
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And what's in it, My own bile is mixed and

634
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mingled with it. It's disgusting, it's wretched. But they spew

635
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,960
this onto the tables and men eat it up. Well,

636
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God says, you're going to fill or feed my people vomit.

637
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You yourself will eat your own vomit, and the destruction

638
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:11,039
that is your vomit will destroy you, meaning the very

639
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false lies that you teach will destroy you as well.

640
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You will believe your own lives.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, and it goes all the way back

642
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,519
full circle to what we learned first in seminary Total depravity. Right,

643
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that fallen Genesis has corrupted every part of our human nature,

644
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our mind, our will, our emotions, and it leads people

645
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,159
inherently inclined to serve our own needs, our own desires,

646
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rather than God's exactly. Moving on, I know this is

647
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a little outside the rum of things, but would you

648
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,599
mind touching on your opinion of Matthew twenty four. That's

649
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kind of been a hot topic recently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me go there wherein Oh, you mean just

651
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the all of it generations? Yeah, do you want me

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to just like, am I going through the whole of

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the end of the age or any specific verses or

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you want me to just go through Matthew twenty four.

655
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Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to go through the whole the

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whole chapter. Just when people say, I even C. S.

657
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Lewis question, Matthew twenty four is like the one part

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of the Bible that all these things shall come before

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this generation. I'm trying to find it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so again before this generation passed away. So

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I want to be very clear again when we under

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when we look at generation, we need to recognize what

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generation means scripturally and spiritually. A generation is not what

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is not again chronological time, because if we look at

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this as a is a a war of two cities,

666
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a tale of two cities, a tale of two fathers,

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the heavenly Father and the abyssle father. In John chapter eight,

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Christ says, you have your father, who is the devil. Okay,

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Now if I if I have a father and I

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am his son, and that father several thousand years later

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has another son. We are of the same generation, though

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we are separated by a chronological time of thousands of years.

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Why because we are the generation after him. We are

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of the same generation, regardless of age and chronological time.

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So Scripture defines the generation that's being spoken of in

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Matthew twenty four and all the all of it discourse

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as the generation of wrath. The generation of wrath will

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not pass away until the very end, because they must

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00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,679
grow up, as it says in I think it's Matthew eleven.

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Let me it's the parable of the wheat and the tears,

681
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and how they must grow up together. God is not

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going to take that tears away early so that the

683
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wheat may grow up without suffering. Why because he tells

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the reapers who are the angels, and again angels being

685
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,320
understood as messengers and not spiritual beings like that, because

686
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you can only you only need to go to Paul

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who wanted to Because it says even in that parable

688
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that the reapers are the angels, and Paul talks repeatedly

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about I wanted to come to you so that I

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00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,440
may reap a harvest from among you. Because again, men

691
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,760
who preached and minister, the Gospel of Jesus Christ are angels.

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So we're already starting to unravel this end times eschatological supernatural,

693
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because again, supernatural as a substitute for spiritual. It's what

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the enemy does when he wants to take your mind

695
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,079
away from where God is leaning it is to spiritual understanding,

696
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and he wants to turn it towards something that's corrupted

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00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:55,079
and twisted and focuses on him and his evil and

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angelic beings other than God, and give glory to those

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00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,880
angelic beings instead of God Almighty. So when we see

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chapter twenty four, and it starts this, Jesus left the

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temple and was going away, and when his disciples came

702
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to point out to him the buildings of the temple,

703
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but he answered them, you see all these, do you not? Truly?

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I say to you, there will not be left here,

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one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.

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Now I acknowledge that in seventy eighty this was satisfied

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in Rome sacking the Temple. I've read Josephus in regards

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to it. It's an incredible it's an incredible narrative when

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he goes with it. But when we understand this spiritually.

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This is the same thing as when we talk about

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the anti Christ from Second Thessalonians and the temple. We

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have to recognize who is the temple of God, and

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we need only go to John chapter four where Christ

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gives us when he's speaking to the woman as the

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Samerian woman at the well, where he says to her

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in verse twenty one, he says, Jesus said to her,

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coming when neither oh am I still there?

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Speaker 3: You're good?

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Speaker 1: Yep, it says Jesus said to her, woman, Believe me.

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The hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor

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in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what

722
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you do not know. We worship what we know, for

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salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming

724
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and is now here when the true worshippers will worship

725
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the Father in spirit and truth. For the Father is

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seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and

727
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those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

728
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So again, when Christ looks at this temple in Matthew

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twenty four and he says these will be thrown down,

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he's speaking spiritually. What is he saying this temple will

731
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no longer have any meaning for you. It was it's

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thrown down in the heart of the man the moment

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he recognizes that the true temple of God is Christ

734
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and anyone in him, just as Paul testifies to in

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First Corinthians chapter three when he says this, it's thrown

736
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down in your heart. It no longer has any value.

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The stones are worthless because now, as tecond Peter or

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First Peter chapter two says, is we are being built

739
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up as living precious stones into a house and a

740
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temple for the living God. All of the apostles, all

741
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the prophets testify to this. The temple has no meaning anymore.

742
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It's thrown down in your mind and in your heart,

743
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just as in Revelation chapter twelve, the enemy is thrown

744
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out of heaven by Michael, who is the Christ. Again,

745
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not that Michael is an archangel and Christ is a

746
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created being. It's that Michael is a pseudonym to hide

747
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Jesus Christ from anyone who is not seeking him in

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the scripture, so that they may be lost in their

749
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conceit and go off after heavenly being and be destroyed.

750
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So Christ and his witnesses destroy the devil and all

751
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of his traditions and doctrines in the mind of a man,

752
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and cast them out with the truth. And he can

753
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no longer infect the mind of a man from within

754
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a mind. He can't dwell within a man's mind. He

755
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can no longer dwell in heaven in a man. But

756
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he still dwells within the flesh. He's cast down earth

757
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into the sea, the earth being the dust by which

758
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man is made. And so you still have the fleshly

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cravings that wage war against your mind. Justice Peter says

760
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that these youthful desires that wage war against your soul,

761
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or as James says, that the passions of your flesh

762
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wage war against you. So when you hear again, if

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you keep ongoing in Matthew twenty four, and you hear

764
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about wars and rumors of wars, it's not talking about

765
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wars in the world. It's talking about the wars inside

766
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us as a man, as we are being formed and

767
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made in the image of Christ. Anti Christ has been

768
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cast down. And it says, well one too, those who

769
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dwell on the earth. Well again, if we think of

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that in the carnal mind, we will think of that

771
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as those who occupy a physical earth. Well, you and

772
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I already have a spiritual understanding of what it means

773
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to dwell on something. If I'm if I'm feeling really

774
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depressed about something I did wrong, I'm doing what I'm

775
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dwelling on it. So if I'm dwelling on carnal things

776
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in my mind, I am one who is dwelling on

777
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the earth. And Romans chapter eight tells me is that

778
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that is death to me. In Hebrews chapter two tells

779
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me that all of mankind was enslaved unto the devil

780
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through the fear of death. So what is it telling

781
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me in Revelation chapter twelve is that the enemy is

782
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gone out into the people who still set their minds

783
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on carnal things. He still dwells within them. He cannot

784
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dwell in the mind of a Christian, but he does

785
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stick with this sinful dead flesh that we have not

786
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yet shed, and that wages war against us, just as

787
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Roman seven teaches. So when we go to Matthew twenty

788
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four in this Olivet discourse, this needs to be understood

789
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spiritually that it speaks of the resurrection in the spirit

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first of a Christian and the life that is going

791
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to transpire for him at that point, So as he

792
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sat on the Mount of Olives and disciples came to

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him privately, saying, tell us, when will these things be

794
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and what will be the sign of your coming in

795
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the end of the age. So we and I think

796
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we talked about this earlier. We get into so many

797
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problems with people talking about we're in the last days,

798
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we're in the end times, and they start to get

799
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so stressed and panicky and anti Christ is coming. You

800
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need only go to first John chapter two. He says,

801
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my little children, already many Antichrists have come, and therefore

802
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we know that this is the last hour. This is

803
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two thousand years ago. He said that we are in

804
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the last hour. Paul repeatedly says upon us of whom

805
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the end of the ages has come, we who are

806
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in the latter days, we have been there for two

807
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thousand years, because the end of the ages is to

808
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be understood spiritually as the end of our earthly life,

809
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meaning as Peter chapter four, we no longer live for

810
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the world, but the life we live in the world

811
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now we live for Christ. We are in the latter days.

812
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We are in the day of Christ. Spiritually. So when

813
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it says you what will be the sign of your

814
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coming in the end of the age. And Jesus answered them,

815
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see that no one leads you astray. Remember that again

816
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when we talked about the temple and men, let no

817
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one deceive you. And then Christ or excuse me. And

818
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then Paul also said, as let no man deceive himself.

819
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And we discussed that the temple that the anti Christ

820
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will sit in is not a physical temple in the world.

821
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But the same writer, who is speaking by the same

822
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Holy Spirit, says in one passage in one Corinthians chapter three,

823
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you are God's temple. And then in the next, and

824
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then in second Thessalonians chapter two, he says, and anti

825
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Christ will seat himself in the temple of God. Therefore,

826
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when we understand that spiritually, that means that the man

827
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of sin and lawlessness and is a man who has

828
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gone into the great rebellion, meaning he has turned from

829
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trusting the Lord his God with all his heart, and

830
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he has turned back to his own understanding, and he

831
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has set his own mind and his own thoughts up

832
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as authority, and he no longer worships, worships or trusts

833
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any other God. He trusts his own authority, and he

834
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declares himself to be God. You don't have to say

835
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I am God to glare yourself to be God. You

836
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need to only simply believe your own thoughts, your own authority.

837
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Proverbs twenty eight twenty six tells us the fool trusts

838
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in his own thoughts and his own understanding, but the

839
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one who follows wisdom will be delivered.

840
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said all around. I'm sorry. I thought you

841
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were done.

842
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, I don't know

843
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how far you wanted to go, and.

844
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Speaker 3: I know that's that's perfect. I wanted to mention a

845
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few notes real quick. This book is awesome. You mentioned it,

846
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and I'm glad it did.

847
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Joe Ciphish.

848
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't had the time to read all the

849
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way through it because everything else is going on. But

850
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it is. It's by William Wiston. I'll try to remember it.

851
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I think I only paid twenty two bucks for it,

852
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,760
and it's you know, two thousand pages or whatever it is,

853
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:49,039
and it really it really breaks down seventy a d

854
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better than almost you know, outside of the Bible. Obviously,

855
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it really breaks it down. Amen, What else did I meant? Oh,

856
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this is a big one. So you had mentioned the

857
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wheats in the tears, so you know, you have a

858
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lot of people. And again we always have to categorize

859
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things pre tribe post tribe. But that parable in Matthew thirteen.

860
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Really it seems like they're talking about that the wheat

861
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and the tears are going to coexist until the final harvest.

862
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So you know, are you a proponent if you will

863
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for the for the post tribe?

864
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Speaker 2: Uh?

865
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Speaker 1: No, I don't believe in any of the trigulations. Okay,

866
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I don't believe in I don't ascribe to any of

867
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the esketon God. The problem with the esketon whether you're

868
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pre post mid or your pre millennial, A'm millennial post millennial.

869
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All of these things kick the can into the future

870
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where God says now, today is the day of salvation time.

871
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He never says tomorrow. He is constantly drawing men into

872
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the present, never telling them to wait for the future.

873
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He says wait upon me. But he still says now

874
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is the time. Today's the day of salvation. And even

875
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when we talk about Matthew twenty four, what will be

876
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the signs of your coming and of the end of

877
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the age Christ? Christ has come again in a physical form.

878
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How how do we say this? Because Two Corinthians, chapter

879
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three or seventeen tells us that the Lord is the Spirit.

880
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All the scripture is breathed out by God, who is

881
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the Spirit. Therefore, when you have a Bible and you

882
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,679
look and you read letters that declare the words that

883
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fill up sentences, that make paragraphs, that form chapters, that

884
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,320
make up the books that form the full book of

885
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the Bible, you are seeing that which is spiritual, which

886
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is word given a physical manifestation in the flesh, meaning

887
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in the carnal, in the temporal, in the scripture. And

888
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it is the word of God, who is Jesus Christ

889
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:26,039
through his spirit. And that's how when Christ standing before

890
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:28,920
the high priest and he says to him, declare to us,

891
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are you the son of God or are you the

892
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son of Man? And he says, I am, And henceforth

893
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you shall see the Son of Man coming on the

894
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clouds of heaven in great power and glory. And they

895
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,119
tear their robes because they know what he's referencing back

896
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,039
to Daniel chapter seven. But Christ doesn't say in several

897
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thousand years you will see this. He says, henceforth you

898
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will see it, meaning, now, how do we understand that

899
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if we are stand at carnally, it has to be

900
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several thousand years in the future. And we run into

901
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this problem where Christ, where men will say, well, Christ

902
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,480
was a liar, his prophecy didn't come true. He's not

903
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:12,199
a liar. He's speaking spiritually because he comes on the

904
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,440
clouds of heaven. What or who are the clouds of heaven?

905
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,320
Hebrews chapter twelve says we are surrounded by such a

906
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,119
great cloud of witnesses. Isaiah chapter sixty, verse eight asked

907
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:27,199
the question, who are these who fly like clouds in

908
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,840
heaven and who land on the windows like doves? They're

909
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,559
his witnesses, just like when Revelation says. Revelation says that

910
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he comes on his great and mighty steed. The Scripture says,

911
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:45,480
my people are my steed. They're my horse. We keep

912
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looking externally to the clouds when God is saying, I

913
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:54,280
am the word, Preach me, and he will be with us.

914
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He's in us. He is, for lack of a better.

915
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Speaker 4: Term, always in the warfare that we wage internally in

916
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ourselves and with other men against the doctrines of demons,

917
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the traditions of mens and the power in the kingdom

918
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of the enemy, which is ignorance and pride and arrogance.

919
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Speaker 3: So obviously we know the word raptures not in the Bible.

920
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They pull it from the Greek word harpazzo, which means

921
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getting caught up snatched away. In Latin it means rapturo,

922
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which is where they come up with rapture. And I

923
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,960
guess the part. The key passage that everybody brings this

924
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up is from first Thessalonians four sixteen and seventeen. It says,

925
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for the Lord himself shall let's try that again. Sorry,

926
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for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,

927
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with the voice of the archangel and with the trump

928
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of God, and the dead and the Christ shall rise first.

929
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Then which then we which are alive and remains, shall

930
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be caught up together with them in the clouds to

931
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meet the Lord in the air, so that we so

932
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shall we ever be with the Lord.

933
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Speaker 1: And that's Paul making another declaration of the scripture, because

934
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this Hebrews four twelve tells us, says that the scripture,

935
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let me go ahead and read it, because it's so beautiful,

936
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and I don't want to butcher it. By my own words.

937
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So it says it this way in the ESV. For

938
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the Word of God is living and active, sharper than

939
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any two edged sword, piercing to the division of soul

940
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and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning

941
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the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Now people will

942
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be like, well, that's talking about a sword. Ephesians chapter six,

943
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verse seventeen or eighteen is one of those two. It says,

944
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the sword arm yourself with the armor of God, and

945
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the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

946
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Now Paul is recognizing that Paul is still a living apostle.

947
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He still daily bears witness to the glory of Jesus

948
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Christ through the written word. His spirit is still alive

949
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in Christ in the written Word, and he's he gives testimony,

950
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just as Psalm nineteen says again talking about the heavens,

951
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to so we understands spiritually who and what the heavens are,

952
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because as that same parable tells us in Matthew thirteen,

953
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and it also speaks in Daniel chapter twelve, that the

954
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righteous or the wise, who lead many to righteousness will

955
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shine like the stars of heaven, and that the righteous

956
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will shine like the sun, or like their father, or

957
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shine with the light of the sun like their father.

958
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And heaven, because again it's not talking about the earthly heaven,

959
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but it's talking about the heaven of the scriptures and

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of the mind of Jesus Christ, in which men dwell

961
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spiritually when they have him written in their hearts, and

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He dwells in them as the spiritual Jerusalem, the Kingdom

963
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of God. Because the Kingdom of God is not of

964
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this earth, and it is not made with hands of men,

965
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but it is made by the Spirit of God, who

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is building us up. As Ephesians chapter two twenty one

967
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through twenty two tells us that he is building us

968
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up into a spiritual house, a dwelling place for the Lord.

969
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And we run into so many of these problems because

970
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we have been taught for years to interpret these things

971
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carnally instead of spiritually, and so we run into error,

972
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and we look externally at the world that was made

973
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,159
for us, instead of at the world that God says

974
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:26,280
he is making. And Hebrews chapter two tells us that

975
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they're talking about the author or the writer excuse me

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of Hebrews, which according to the early Church Fathers was

977
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,639
Luke writing for Paul. The only reason that he didn't

978
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declare it was Paul was because then the Hebrews would

979
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have read it because they hated Paul. So if you

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believe the early Church leaders, then the author of Hebrews

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is Paul. But that's beside the point. Or the writer

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of Hebrews is Paul. Excuse me, the author of scriptures

983
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God is that he says, we are speaking of the

984
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world to come, because the world to come is the

985
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new heavens, which is the mind of Christ in a

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man who has been made into the image of God,

987
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and who then has the resurrected body, which is the

988
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:11,239
New Earth given by God, and which has been sanctified

989
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and cleansed through death of indwelling sin.

990
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Speaker 3: I mean, and you know I've mentioned it before, a

991
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lot of the Rapture, especially the pre trip stuff, does

992
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come from the Schofield Bible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean, I guess I want to.

994
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I mean, I can engage with these is and I

995
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can go line by line if you want in regards

996
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to these especially in regards to the rapture and these things.

997
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But Paul, Paul talking about we who are alive, is

998
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talking first and foremost about the scripture, those who are

999
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dead in Christ again, everyone who is, everyone who is

1000
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,519
born with Christ and is baptized in Him is baptized

1001
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into his death. And so this speaks for and foremost

1002
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of the spiritual resurrection, the first resurrection, and all those

1003
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:06,679
who take part in the First resurrection have no part

1004
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,239
of the second death which comes because we have been

1005
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born again already in the spirit. We have been beheaded,

1006
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we have died onto our former life, and have now

1007
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been grafted into the body of Christ. And this is

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why I, you know, to speak of all of these,

1009
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of all of these traditions like the rapture and everything,

1010
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the one big one to go back to true Israel

1011
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,079
that I haven't really engaged with yet. But I just

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00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:35,199
want to very simply say, is I despise replacement theology

1013
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:41,000
and dispensational theology. Both of them are godless lies. And

1014
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:43,920
the way that you can know that without even having

1015
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,840
to do any additional study is all the Scripture testifies

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that there is no partiality with God, that he shows

1017
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:56,679
no favoritism to anyone, and both replacement theology and dispensational

1018
00:58:56,719 --> 00:59:00,679
theology show either partiality to the Jews or to the

1019
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:03,039
Christian So I can already tell you without even having

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00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:05,760
to do any further dive. Both of them are lies.

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00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:10,639
The actual truth is, it's not replacement theology, it's not

1022
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,119
dispensational theology. It is that all believers throughout all time,

1023
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,599
who have ever had faith in Jesus Christ, are grafted

1024
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into the Israel of is Christ. Jesus for all men

1025
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,039
have been consigned to disobedience so that God may have

1026
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,119
mercy on all, just as it says in Romans eleven,

1027
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:37,400
what is the disobedience unbelief? How do we get to

1028
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:42,119
this disobedience through the exercise of our free will which

1029
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:46,440
also goes to free will versus determinism? Which men will

1030
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,440
try to sit there, and they always do this. They

1031
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,599
always put a dichotomy, it's one end or the other.

1032
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,920
And the problem is it's the actual narrow way in

1033
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,360
the middle, which is Christ. Because all of these contradictions

1034
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,280
quote unquote are actually contrary, but they are united in Christ.

1035
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,360
For every single man whoever exercises free will only ever

1036
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,280
proves himself to be a transgressor only ever proves himself

1037
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,599
to be evil. How do I know this? Because scripture

1038
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says that man's heart is only filled with evil continuously.

1039
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That's Genesis chapter six. Jeremiah chapter seventeen tells me that

1040
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:19,760
the heart is deceitful and wicked above all things who

1041
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,599
can understand it. Romans chapter three tells me there's no

1042
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:25,960
one who does good, not even one. There's no fear

1043
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,559
of God before their eyes. All of them are vipers

1044
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:33,920
and wicked, and there is poisoned beneath their tongues. And

1045
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,239
it tells me in Christ tells me that only God

1046
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:41,079
is good. Eric O, do I have free will? Absolutely?

1047
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:44,400
My free will has condemned me to death, because every

1048
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:50,639
choice I freely ever make is to enslave myself to sin. Therefore,

1049
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:57,639
when God grants me the ability to repent, I am

1050
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,840
called to submit myself and slavery to God. You only

1051
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,599
need to read Romans chapter six to see this, instead

1052
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:09,320
of slavery to sin, in order that I may freely

1053
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:15,760
give myself to God and therefore be counted in the

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:21,559
determined will of Him who is free and has free will.

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That is good. Free will and determinism are not contradictory

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,480
to another. They're contrary to one another, but they're complementary.

1057
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In Christ, how do we know this because Christ, who

1058
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is the author of free will, we need to recognize this.

1059
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Christ made the concept of will. What does he say

1060
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,440
in the Garden of gessemine not my will, but yours

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01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:53,920
be done. Yep. So, Christ, who is free freely submits

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01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,599
himself to the determined plan of God, the predetermined predestination,

1063
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:03,119
however you want to say it. He went freely to

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the cross so that God's predetermined plan may be satisfied

1065
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,400
in him. Therefore, Christ took free will and united it

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with determinism in himself. They are not contradictory to one another.

1067
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These are whenever you see these two dichotomy ideas, are

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01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:26,679
minianism versus free will theology, any of these things post millennial,

1069
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:32,159
a millennial, pre millennial, pro trib, mid trib, pre trib.

1070
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:38,719
They're always trying to separate you from one another. Therefore

1071
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,679
we can know they are not from Christ, because Christ

1072
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:46,119
unites men in himself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can add replacement theology. You know to

1074
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,159
all of that, the belief that the Church has replaced Israel. Right,

1075
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:59,000
But we know that we're people of God were defined

1076
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,920
by faith, not by ethnicity, Like Pastor Fannon says down

1077
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,599
in Jacksonville, we're not saved by our zip code.

1078
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Speaker 1: No. And Paul even says that in Romans nine that

1079
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not all who are of Israel are or excuse me,

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01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,199
not all who are of Israel are a part of Israel.

1081
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That's right, like it's because again it's not it's not dispensation,

1082
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:29,480
it's not replacement. It's grafting. In Israel has always been Christ,

1083
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,519
even when Israel. When Jacob was named Israel, when he

1084
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,440
wrestled with the angel who was Christ, Christ gave him

1085
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,599
a name Israel. And then Jacob immediately asks him, what

1086
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:42,760
is your name? And the angel incredulously says to him,

1087
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,719
why do you ask my name? Because the very name

1088
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,440
he gave him was Israel, which was his name he named,

1089
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:54,119
He gave him his own name. The early church leaders

1090
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:58,559
know this clearly. Justin Martyr in his dialogue with Trifo Trifle,

1091
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:02,880
the Jew is replete with this idea that it is

1092
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,800
the people who keep faith in God who are the

1093
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,000
true spiritual Israel of God. There is a carnal Israel,

1094
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:13,119
and there is a spiritual Israel, just as Galatians sixteen

1095
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:18,320
teaches us, and Christ is the true Israel, the spiritual

1096
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,639
Israel of God. That is blessed. And there's, oh gosh,

1097
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:25,480
the passage that everyone always goes to it they talk

1098
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:29,119
about modern day Israel. You only need to again, those

1099
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,719
who bless you or those who bless you will be blessed.

1100
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,920
While I'm looking this up, like you just over the

1101
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,199
Old Testament as well, that all throughout the books of Torah,

1102
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,840
in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, God is constantly telling them whenever

1103
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,559
the stranger chooses, or the soul journal the stranger, depending

1104
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:58,199
on your translations, chooses wilfully to live among you, they

1105
01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:02,440
shall be counted as a natural born person among Israel.

1106
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:09,360
He doesn't he doesn't separate them. He says, bring them in.

1107
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:15,639
And Ezekiel forty seven is so clear on this. Sorry,

1108
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,280
it's so there's so much zeal with this, and it's

1109
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,000
so easy because it's everywhere in the scripture if you

1110
01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:26,440
actually look for it. God never separates his people. He

1111
01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:27,920
always draws them together.

1112
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 3: Man, I'm so glad you brought that up, because I

1113
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:32,480
just I think a month six weeks ago, I just

1114
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,719
did a substackle on polycarp and man, you mentioned how

1115
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,119
the early folks in the church, like justin Martyr, and

1116
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:42,400
same with Polycarp, who was the bishop of Smyrna, which

1117
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:46,320
you know was one of the was it second, They

1118
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,599
were the second of seven churches and Asia Minor that

1119
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:54,760
received the letter from John and they there was no

1120
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,559
Israel church separation.

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01:05:57,679 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: Oh no.

1122
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: And the whole Books of Acts is about that. Actually

1123
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,679
historically you can track this down too. Alan Siegel, who

1124
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,960
is a rabbinic Jew, wrote the Two Powers in Heaven

1125
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:16,679
book which declared Christianity originally as a heretical sect of Judaism.

1126
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,400
And this is why when you go through the Book

1127
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,480
of Acts, the Judaizers who come in among the people,

1128
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,440
what do they want to make, what do they want

1129
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,039
to add on to the baptism of Jesus Christ the circumcision?

1130
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:32,599
Why because they wanted to proselytize them into Judaism. Because

1131
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:37,079
the followers of the Way, the Way was just a

1132
01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:42,000
sect of Judaism. It wasn't until Antioch that they started

1133
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:45,400
becoming called Christians. And even still then the Christians were

1134
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,639
just the followers of Jesus who claimed himself to be Christ.

1135
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:54,280
But they were still Jews historically speaking. Even it wasn't

1136
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:59,199
until second century AD when Simon bar Koppa's rebellion came

1137
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:02,719
and he was declared by rabbis Akiba and Akila to

1138
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,159
be Messiah. That the Jews went to the Christians and said,

1139
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:09,360
join with us in declaring him to be Messiah. That

1140
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,599
the Christian said, absolutely not, we cannot declare this man

1141
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:16,599
to be Messiah, for Christ is the only Messiah. That

1142
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:23,119
that's when, that's when Judaism divided itself from Christianity. Christianity

1143
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:28,920
has always historically, even spiritually and historically been true Judaism,

1144
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,559
as Romans chapter two, verses twenty eight, twenty six through

1145
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,960
twenty nine teaches us the true Jew is one who

1146
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:38,960
is circumcised in the heart, not according to the flesh,

1147
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:44,079
and who's prayed from God. These things can be found

1148
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,559
historically and they can be found spiritually, because God is

1149
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,599
not going to leave himself without evidence. He's not going

1150
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:53,880
to leave himself without proof so that people can sit

1151
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,400
there and deny him you need. The entire Book of

1152
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:02,119
Acts is about how the gentile are receiving the same

1153
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:09,719
blessing of salvation that the carnal national bloodline Jews were receiving,

1154
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:15,039
and it shocked them. They and then they started trying

1155
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:20,239
to proselytize them into Judaism. And it's about how God

1156
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,199
was drawing in the nations, just as he prophesied repeatedly

1157
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:28,079
throughout all of the Old Testament. Because Ezekiel forty seven,

1158
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:31,640
starting in verse twenty one, says this, So you shall

1159
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,680
divide this land among you according to the tribes of Israel.

1160
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,520
Shall allot it as an inheritance for yourself and for

1161
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,119
the sojourners who reside among you and have had children

1162
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:48,439
among you. They shall be to you as native born

1163
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,159
children of Israel. With you, they shall be allotted an

1164
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:57,760
inheritance among the tribes of Israel. In whatever tribe the

1165
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:02,960
sojournal resides there, you shall assign him his inheritance, declares

1166
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:09,279
the Lord God. God has never divided those from the

1167
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:13,359
nations who believe in him. He has always drawn them in.

1168
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,279
And this is also why Christ or when he went

1169
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:26,520
to his home in Matthew ten, I believe it is

1170
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:38,479
let me see no hold on where when he's talking

1171
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:43,640
about Naamen and the widow throwing him off a cliff.

1172
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 3: Sorry, you're you're you're perfectly fine.

1173
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:56,079
Speaker 1: It might be Luke, Yeah, it might be Luke ape yeah,

1174
01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:03,039
hol okay. So in Luke Chap four four. In verse fourteen,

1175
01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:05,880
it says this, and moving on, it says Jesus returning

1176
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,199
the power of the Spirit into Galilee. And there went

1177
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:11,479
out a fame of him through all the region round about,

1178
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,920
and he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

1179
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,800
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up,

1180
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:19,359
And as his custom was, he went into the synagogues

1181
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:22,520
on the Sabbath day and stood up to read. And

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there was delivered unto him the book of the Prophet Isaiah.

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And when he had opened the book, he found the

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place where it was written. The spirit of the Lord

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is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach

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the gospel to the poor. He has sent me to

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heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives,

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and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at

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liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year

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of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he

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gave it again to the minister, and sat down, and

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the eyes of all of them that were in the

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synagogue were fastened on him, and he began to say

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unto them, this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears,

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and all bare him witnessed the gracious words which proceeded

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out of his mouth. And they said, is this is

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this not Joseph's son. So they're all enamored by him

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and amazed by him right now because he's preaching to

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them of good things. But this is what he says then,

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And he said, unto them, yet you will surely say

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to me, this proper physician, heal yourself. Whatsoever we have

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heard done in Capernaum, do also hear in this country.

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Verily I say unto you, no prophet is accepted in

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his country. But I tell you of a truth. Many

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widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when

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the heavens was shut up three years and six months,

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when great famine was throughout all the land. But unto

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none of them was Elias sent save unto Sirepta, a

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city of Sidon, which is a Canaanite city, unto a

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woman that was a widow. And many lepers were in

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Israel in the time of Elijah the Prophet, or excuse me,

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Elishah the Prophet, and none of them were cleansed, save

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Amen the Syrian. So he starts preaching of Canaanites Syrians

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and saying to them, God gave favor unto them, not

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to anyone in national Israel during these times. And this

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is their response. And all they in the synagogue when

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they heard these things, were filled with wrath and rose

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up and thrust him out of the city and led

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him under the brow of the hill whereon their city

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was built, that they might cast him down headlong. Men

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hate this truth. They hate that God is giving his grace,

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his divine nature to everyone, because men want to separate, divide,

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and hoarde for themselves. They loved it when he was

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preaching good things about them, but the moment he started

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preaching I'm also showing you that God gave grace and

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favor to those who are not of the national or

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bloodline heritage to Israel, they turned on him in wrath.

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It's still what we see today because men don't want

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Christ to be the Israel of God.

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Speaker 3: I mean. And if you look at the Zohar and

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tal Mood, they're all explicitly that way there it's inclusive.

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They don't and they look at us differently.

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Speaker 1: So it.

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Speaker 3: All really adds up and it all makes sense. I

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had one more thing to add, and then I need

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to start ramping it up here. Oh, I know what

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I wanted to mention was, in addition to the Josephus book,

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go back and read Dialogue with Trifo by Justin Martyr

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and Polycarp's letter to the Philippians. And you can find

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it on archive dot org. You don't have to spend

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the money and and it'll back up.

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Speaker 1: You can find you can find all of these things

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for free, especially on apps on your phone, like there

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are apps on your phone you can get you can

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get Josephus's book, you can get all of the early

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Church follows.

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Speaker 3: Free, yep, one hundred percent, and it's all in there.

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It's it's all in there for sure. Man. We definitely

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need to do this again in the near future because

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obviously the times we're in and there are many people deceived,

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there are many churches deceived. And you know, you don't

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come on the podcast here and just kind of give

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your your thoughts. You back everything up and you cite

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everything with Bible verses, which I respect very much. Did

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you have any clothes?

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Speaker 1: I thought it. Go ahead, go ahead, yeah, let me

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just let me just go ahead and just read man,

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we haven't even got So there's there's a passage. There's

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the connection of Genesis forty eight, Ezekiel thirty seven, and

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Ephesians chapter two eleven through twenty two. We have to

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get into that sometimes because those three right there are

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eight solid just distinction or not distinction, but it's a

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solid connection of how Christ through the cross, through the

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stick in the hand of Judah and the stick in

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the hand of Ephraim, which if you read Genesis chapter

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forty eight, is when when Jacob, who is Israel, blesses

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or Manassa and Ephraim excoose me. He puts Ephraim first.

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He busses the younger who is Ephraim, and the older

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who is Nassa, and he does so by crossing his arms,

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creating the sign of the cross. And then you read it,

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and he says to Joseph, who is displeased by this,

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that he will that Ephraim will be many nations bearing

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the name of Israel. You just need to read it.

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It's literally right there. Literally says that he will bear

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my name and he will be many nations. Yeah, his

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seed Israel said he will bear my name.

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Speaker 3: Yep, his seeds shall become a multitude of nations.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And then what was.

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Speaker 3: The second Genesis? You said, Genesis forty eight and then

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two yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then Ezekiel chapter thirty seven, fifteen through I think

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thirty where and this is right after the beginning part

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of Ezekiel thirty seven, which is about the resurrection of

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the House of Israel. The House of Israel Israel who

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is Christ. And therefore, and this is the wonderful thing.

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People who want to separate us from Israel will sit

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there and say this is only about the Israelites, which

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I would agree. But the Israelites are all who have

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ever believed in Christ. The House of Israel Israel being Christ.

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Hebrews chapter three, verse six, and says we are His

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house if we hold fast to the faith that we

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had from the beginning. So what does Ezekiel thirty seven

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one through fourteen tell us we will be resurrected by

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God as part of the House of Israel, because Israel

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is Christ and we are His house if we hold

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fast the faith that was given unto us from the beginning.

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But then fifteen through I think it's thirty gives us

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Ezekiel being given assigned to take two sticks and bind

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them together, and went before before I ever understood this,

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before I had ever really recognized this, I thought it

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was just he was taking two sticks and putting parallel

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to each other and binding them. Right. No, what he's

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01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:19,079
doing is he's taking one horizontal and one vertical, and

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he's putting in perpendicular, and he's making a cross. And

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he says in that and God says to him in

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that passage, i am going to take the stick that

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is in the hand of the tribe of Judah and

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all the people associated with him, who is Christ. And

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then I'm going to take the stick that is in

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the hand of Joseph, which is the tribes of Ephraim,

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and all the people associated with him Ephraim, who is

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many nations, and I am going to unite them in one.

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And then Paul in Ephesians chapter two, verses eleven through

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twenty two cites this and quote he doesn't quote it, sorry,

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but he cites this as now Christ down the walls

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of division and has united us in one man, meaning himself,

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because he is Israel. And we who were without God

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in the world and were alienated from the commonwealth of Israel,

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have now been brought close and are now fellow citizens,

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citizens of what Israel.

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Speaker 3: That's right. I think this verse twelve, that at the

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time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth

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of Israel and strangers from the covenants of Promise, having

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no hope, and without God in the world. But now

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in Christ Jesus he sometimes we're far off, are made

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nigh by the blood of Christ.

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Speaker 1: And I guess, amen, I just want to finish with

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just this is so this theme is so abundant in

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the scriptures because the Ephesians chapter three teaches us this

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was the mystery that was hidden from the world, but

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now has been made apparent unto his disciples through the

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prophets and the apostles, so that we may go out

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and testify to everyone that God has mercy on anyone

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who who is willing to submit in repentance in the

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fear of the Lord. And it's all throughout the Old Testament.

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In Zachariah chapter two ten and eleven, it says, sing

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and rejoice, O, daughter of Zion, for lo I come,

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and I will dwell. In the midst of these says

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the Lord. And many nations shall be joined to the

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Lord in that day, and shall be my people. Just

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look at the Old Testament. Who are the people of God? Israel?

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Israel my people. Israel my people. It says it time

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and again, Israel my people. So when it says many

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nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day

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and shall be my people, this is exactly what it

1346
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:42,560
says in Isaiah nineteen. When there will be an altar

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in Egypt, there will be a sign in Assyria, and

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Israel will be the third part, and they will all

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be my inheritance. They will be people of my making,

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they will be my people. What is he saying, Israel

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is God's inheritance. So are the He's the nations which

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we could get into that. Well, it says that God

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I will inherit Israel, and it also says I will

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inherit the heathen nations because they're one and the same.

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Because all nations that are apart from God and unbelief

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are heathen nations, and that includes carnalie live in unbelief.

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They are actually pagan and they are not the chosen

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people of God. Who, oh my God, sorry I'm getting tangential.

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Or first Peter chapter two, verse nine says we are

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a chosen race. We are a holy nation, a priesthood

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unto God. And this isn't about our nationality. This isn't

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about our bloodline, or our heritage or our ancestors. This

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is about, as Isaiah chapter twenty six tells us, let

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open the gates and let the nation who keeps faith,

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or as the kjav says, who hold to the truth,

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enter into the kingdom.

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Speaker 3: Amen. What a great ninety minutes. And and again I

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want to bring you on again in the very near future.

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I don't want to wait nine months again. I want

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to bring you back in the very near future, maybe

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even next month, to continue into this because I think

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we need to have more of this conversation. And you know,

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at the least I think it's going to get people

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back into the Bibles.

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Speaker 1: Amen. That's if there's anything we learn, read the Word

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of God. Because read just Amos eight eleven through thirteen.

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There is a famine that has come upon the world,

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and it is not the famine of food or of drink.

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It is a famine of the hearing of the word

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of the Lord Men. Isaiah thirty eleven teaches us this,

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men don't want to hear about Christ anymore. They say

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to us, speak to us lies, teach us of soft

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things and smooth things, teach us no longer of the

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hard things of the Holy One of Israel. We need

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to stop drawing to ourselves teachers who itch our ears,

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and we need to start drawing the teacher who is Christ,

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who convicts us and shows us the truth.

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Speaker 3: Man, you got me fired up now, Amen, I can

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talk for another two hours about My wife has given

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me the Hey, we got to go.

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Speaker 1: No, you're fine. I've got to go pick up my

1392
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kids from school too, So I get you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Man, it's been wonderful. God bless your brother and everything

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that you've brought and against to all the audience. Justin's

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email address will be in the show notes. Feel free

1396
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:28,399
to reach out. He's very interactive and he's he's on

1397
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fire for the Lord. So if you have any questions,

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you know, ask him and he'll put you in the

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right direction. Justin, thank you again, brother, God bless you.

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Speaker 1: Can I say one more thing, of course, my name

1401
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is My name is Justin Ellenboss. It's in the show notes.

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I post my devotionals and things like that on my

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01:22:46,079 --> 01:22:48,560
Facebook too, So if you want I don't know if

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01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,479
my Facebook is public or private. Just add me as

1405
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,199
a friend request or send me a message, and you

1406
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:55,279
can literally just go down my wall and it is

1407
01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:57,880
literally just all the things that you're seeing and hearing

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from me and I. One of the things I love

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to do is answer the hard question what is it

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about the bears that slaughter the forty two children? Who

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is mystery? Babylon is the or what is the sign

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of the beast? And anti Christ? And we answer these

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things all as Christ teaches us to do so with

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the mind of wisdom, the mind of Christ, as one

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Corinthians two sixteen tells us Christ to his wisdom. So

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we do so from the scripture, never in our own understanding. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: I sent you a friend request. If that you accept it,

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and I'll post it in the show notes so people

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can find it easily as well.

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Speaker 1: I see it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So that is you, all right?

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Speaker 1: I got you, gotcha? All right? Thank you so much, George.

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It's always a blessing to meet with you.

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Speaker 3: Brother, you too, brother God bless you and your family,

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And to all our listeners, thank you for listening to

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this episode. If it meant something to you, don't keep

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it to yourself, share it with your friends, your family,

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01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:58,399
and others. Certainly an interesting time in this particular timeline

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of the world for Justin. I'm George, God bless you.

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Keep your head on your swivel, and keep Christ and

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your heart. And until we meet again, my friends, we

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will see it.

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Speaker 2: I know it's been struggle. I know you've had spain.

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I not feel tired, held down by all the way. Yeah,

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I know you feel you smile. Ain't the same I

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saw were gone from you. I feel like you've lost

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your way. Don't give it. No, don't give it. It

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never is hold don't let call the primise. It ain't

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done yet. He's got a plan. Why, it's a great time.

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Speaker 5: Got up.

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Speaker 2: Let me come Why what come up?

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Speaker 6: Mcle I can see the street beside you. Childs are

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putting up the five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing.

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Speaker 2: You are. Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting

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01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:36,039
a dead found you beautiful. You're shoving ride. Yeah, you

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live and breathing.

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Speaker 6: Move you can hold your head a pie.

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Speaker 2: Don't give up. We don't give in. Never loss home.

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Don't let go on the primise me. Ain't done yet.

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It's God I'm letting wants a way down? The God up?

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Speaker 5: Maybe come we don't give up, No, don't give in

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01:26:05,279 --> 01:26:06,640
you never on is home?

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Speaker 2: Don't let go on the primis. It ain't an life,

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It's worth living. What's a way down?

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01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 5: The God of baby call, why surprise down?

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01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:30,520
Speaker 2: The God tav Oh, yeah, why surprise down?

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01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 5: The God of baby comes. Oh yeah, the God of

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TV call, Oh, don't.

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Speaker 7: Give up, no, don't give in Never's home? Do they

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go on the primis? I mean and Goda'm saying, whites

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and guid of in a cous don't give no, dog get.

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Speaker 2: Never the hold, don't let go of the cry it's

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getting done. Lovers worth living?

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Speaker 7: Wats and don guid of any cos?

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Speaker 2: Oh, the God of need cos whaits don God.

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Speaker 1: Of any case. You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

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Just the facts, ma'am,