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Speaker 2: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is
your host, George Hobbs.
Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for another edition of the fact Hunter podcast as we
record on this Wednesday, March twenty fifth, twenty twenty six.
I hope this message find you well. We're having a
beautiful spring day here today. I guess it's just about spring.
I can't believe it's been eight or nine months since
we've had this guest on. His name is Justin Ellenboss.
He came on back in July of last year and
we talked about true Israel and obviously with everything that's
going on in the world right now, and I guess
what they call the great noticing there are a few
people that I know in my circle who are more
well versed, not so much historically, but biblically grounded, and
that's where we should be looking for direction. And you know,
with everything going on between Israel Iran, and you know,
it feels like we're on the brink of bigger things.
I thought now would be a perfect time to bring
Justin back on the podcast, and without any further Ado,
let's go ahead and do that justin thanks again for
taking the time and joining us again to Dad, I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Praise God. Thank you for having mean George, it's great
to be.
Speaker 3: Here, Amen. And you know, I guess the way to
kick it off is just to ask your personal reflection
of where things are at. I think it's been twenty
twenty two days since these things kicked off. First off,
is this somewhere do you think that is biblically? Is
this something that you know what's going on in the world,
Is something that you could find in revelation? Or what
are your thoughts on all the events that are going
on right now between Israel, the United States, Iran, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything, that's thank you. Can let me start with
this because I forgot to do this last time and
I am really lamented it afterwards. Do you mind if
I open us up in a word of prayer? Of course, Brother,
all right, we're gonna go a bow our heads. Heavenly Father,
I thank you today for the opportunity to gather with
my brother George, and that you will allow us to
speak not of our own understanding Father, but to trust
the Lord or God with all our heart, and to
have your word and be all that we speak today. Father,
I asked that it be your lesson and your teaching
that goes out across the airways that allow those whom
you have called to hear to be the ones who
hear the Holy Spirit and not us. Let it be
your words in our mouth and your understanding in our hearts.
Give us spiritual eyes to see, ears to hear in
hearts to understand all that you would teach us today
of the true Israel of God, who is Christ, Jesus
our Lord and your name. We pray Amen, Amen, thank you, yeah,
thank you. So to go to your question, this situation,
it's it's consistent with what you see throughout history. And
do I I get this question all the time because
I've as in the previous studies that we've done, I've
shown you I go by the Lord's teaching and how
we are supposed to understand scripture, which is all of
scripture speaks in parable parable and teaches us of Him.
And the word parable is just another way of saying
figuratively or spiritually. And so when we're talking about the
Book of Revelation, the Book of Revelation is a gathering
of visions from John that teaches us of the life
of a Christian once he has come to a knowledge
of the truth in Jesus Christ, and not speaking externally
of the world, but internally of the workings within a man.
And how the war that takes place within us, with
the war of our youthful passions and the war of
our desires, as Peter and James teach us, that go
on within us. And we truly understand the new creation
of the new heavens and the new Earth, and that
God has declared the end from the beginning, meaning that
Genesis chapter one is a declaration of God's creation of
the new Man, who is the new heavens and the
new Earth. Though he gave first, he gave the carnal
creation first. That carnal creation is a mere shadow of
what God is doing internally among Christians. So when we
see these things transpiring out in the world, we look
at them as just the logical outworking of what a
fallen world, which is not the Kingdom of God, as
Christ has said throughout the scriptures, as his kingdom is
not of this world. So we see the logical outworking
of this fallen world and this fallen kingdom of darkness,
where men who have corrupted and twisted the understanding of
what is holy and taken that which is common and
that which is unclean and call it holy, and taking
that which is holy and calling it common and unclean.
We talked about this last time, meaning that men who
are the creation of God, who are meant to be
made in the image of Jesus Christ, when we look
at this and we see what's happening with counterfeit carnal Israel,
and I say that again not to and I want
to be very clear because I hear so many podcasts
of men who look at these Kazarian Jews and who
look at these men and they are filled with so
much vehement hate, especially with everything that is being revealed
in the Epstein files, everything that's happening with this conflict,
and we need to recognize that these men are fallen
just as we are. And Romans too. Is very clear.
We have no excuse we who judge, for we who
judge practice the very same things. We can't go by
degrees and sit here and say that, well, they're cannibals
and I'm not like or they're murderers who are killing
and massacring children in genocide, and I'm not all of us.
As Romans three teaches us, there is no one who
does good, not even one. So when we rightly understand
what Scripture is saying to us, what God is teaching
us in the scripture, that only God is good and
all men are evil, then we can start to look
at these conflicts and we can start to have compassion
even for those who are utterly sold out to sin
and utterly sold out to evil. And we can have
mercy on those who are our enemies, just as Christ
had mercy on us when we were yet enemies to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so spot on. The first thing they teach
in seminary is to understand that man is broken. I mean,
before you learn it, you have to understand that man
is broken, even the most you know, you see the
pastor the eighty year old guy who dresses perfect who
delivers doctrine perfectly. We hold these people on a pedal
there as broken as us. Everybody is broken. And if
you're going at you know, Israel with hate that then
you're you're on the wrong road. Obviously, when I hear
people pray for Israel. They may be a little misguided, obviously,
I say you should pray for Israel that the ninety
nine percent of the people who live within those borders
find the Lord. I even talked about in our sunny
school class last week about people have emailed me how
do I pray during times of war? Somebody even wrote
in their email, do I pray for the United States
guy who's about to drop bombs for his protection? And
when he drops the bombs, it only finds the bad guys?
What defines the bad guys? If we're all broken like
he really broke it down to, it really opens your eyes.
And it's simple. You pray for those who are not
in Christ that they find him number one. You pray
for those in harm's way. Period doesn't matter. And what
the most important thing is those who are lost. You
have to pray that they find salvation. But so many
people believe that everyone who lives in the border of Iran,
every last one of them, are lost. And you know
they're bound by this tyrannical government. And everybody inside Israel
is free and is God selected people, and we are
to hold them in a higher kind of position than
you and I and I've told people, and don't listen
to George. Research for yourself. There's upwards of a million
Christians within the Bords viron. There's very few Christians in Israel.
And if you try to witness, you can go on
YouTube and find hundreds of videos of people who go
to Israel to try to spread the gospel of Jesus
Christ and look and see how they get treated. So
it is a complicated narrative, especially with a certain generation,
to get them to understand what's really going on under there.
So when we are going on over their pardon me.
So when we speak about it, we should speak with compassion.
But also, like you said before, we hit the record button,
show them scripture and then if it ignites them or
upsets them, that's out of your hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Lord says in Ezekiel chapter two, he is
He says, son of Man, go to the rebellious house
of Israel. And depending on your translation, it talks about
the Pagans, the pagan house. It talks about that this
house is Nations. It talks because again Israel, So Israel,
according to the scripture, is the entire world. The entire
world has been given grace by God, meaning that Christ's
sacrifice is sufficient for everyone and is efficacious for anyone
who will come to him. The problem is is the
vast majority of the world has turned away from him.
It's no longer just one small genealogical bloodline, or ethnic
group or geographical bordered nation that God has stated, as
he does say in Isaiah chapter nine, that he has
expanded the nation of Israel, expanded it, and he has
brought in the multitude of nations to make them one.
And we can go through there are there are several
passages that just absolutely solidify this in the scripture. And
I'm happy to go wherever you would want to go
today with that, because again, what we have is why
this is so hard for us today is we have
a counterfeit Israel that has been given. And I say
counterfeit Israel because that's what it is, because Jesus Christ.
Let me declare this clearly, Jesus Christ is the Israel
of God. You need only look through the Old Testament prophets.
You need to only see the prophecies given of Israel
and what he would do, and then go through the
Gospels and see how the Gospels declare that Christ has
satisfied all that carnal Israel failed to do in their exodus,
everything that they failed to do, Christ succeeded. And therefore,
when God speaks of the Israel that failed in Isaiah
and the Israel that succeeds, he is talking about two separates.
He is talking one of the nation of sinful men,
which again, that nation of sinful men is the nation
of uns. And that nation is separate from the nation
that keeps faith is Isaiah twenty six. Because the nation
of God, the Israel of God is Galatians six sixteen
teaches us, is the nation that keeps faith, or, as
the KJV says, the nation that holds to the truth,
who is Christ. So we have to one second. My
wife is looking at me. Sorry, I'm going Oh no,
I'm gonna interview. Sorry, I love you. Sorry, she's gonna
she's going to pick up lunch. No, you're fine. So
we you know, we've we quoted Acts seven forty three,
which quotes off of Amos five twenty six in the
past about Israel that they have taken up the star
of Rampham, the star of Mullik or the Kiun and
their star God. And we made the joke again where
they say it's the star of David. Well, I would
ask them what David. I would proclaim to them, it's
David Rockefeller. That's a good one. Yeah, that's that's a
whole separate thing. But again we know from first John
two twenty two through twenty three that who is a
liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ.
This is the Antichrist. He who denies the Father and
the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father.
And all of carnal Israel as a nation, as a
as a religion is the is. The modern is the
modern temporal Jewish people. Again, not what a true Jew
is according to the scripture, but what men understand used
to be. They deny Christ's deity. They deny him to
be Messiah. Ergo, their father is not the father, But
their father is just as John chapter eight speak, he
is the Father speaks he is the Father. Their father
is the father of lies. And so we again must
look to them and see that they have been brought
low from their position because they sought righteousness, as Romans
teaches us, But they sought it without faith. They sought
it with zeal, But had no faith, and therefore they
did not achieve it. But those who had faith did
receive the righteousness of God because they did not seek it,
as if it was done through self righteousness. So we
then have to look at them and see the dangerous
position that they're in and that they are just as
lost as we were before Christ saved us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people so don't even have an
idea that the Star of David doesn't even exist in
the Bible. You mentioned x seven, verse forty three, and
you know Steven here he's addressing the Sanhedrin and he's
telling that the Jewish people have consistently rejected God's messages
and have always you know, been based around idolatry and
even to modern day counterfeit Israel. You get ninety nine
percent of them they're either completely atheist or you know,
they're Jewish. They don't have Christ. And you know John
fourteen six is very clear the only way to the
Father is through the Sun.
Speaker 1: Yes, he is the gate. He is the door. I
mean is John ten teaches us in verse seven and nine,
I am the door. So I mean again to just
kind of tie it up again to revelation, how Revelation
is a vision like we see all of these these
incredible visions in the Revelation of John or the Apocalypse
of John. And Revelation chapter four, Verse one says, I
saw a door open in heaven. That door is Christ,
meaning that again heavens which are the scripture, Which are
the scripture which are to be in dwelling in a
man's heart. Because the Word of God is a manifestation
of the Holy Spirit. Because the Holy Spirit, which is Word,
which is the spoken word coming from God, is given
a physical manifestation in lets by which we may see
and receive God's Word, no matter what nation, no matter
what time we live in. And therefore, when that door
is open in heaven, that's simply to say that just
what Sewod Corinthians chapter three says is that anyone who
ar scar excuse mekes me. It says that avail lies
over the hearts of people when they read the Old
Testament because they do not turn to Jesus. The only
way that their hearts are hardened when they read the scripture,
and avail lies over their face, because the only way
that that veil can be lifted is by turning to Christ.
And again you and I can't turn to Christ in
the physical sense. We can't come to him in the
physical sense. We can't follow him in the physical sense
or run after him in the physical sense. We have
to do these things in the spirit. And how do
we do that? We go to him In the scripture
and James chapter one, verse five teaches us that if
any of you he lacks wisdom, let him ask God,
who gives abundantly to all who asks. But let him
ask without doubting. Because One Corinthians chapter one, verse twenty
four and thirty teaches us that Christ is the wisdom
of God. So then, when we are looking through the
Synoptic Gospels, and we hear, ask and you shall receive.
Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be
opened unto you. The answer is Christ. Ask for what wisdom?
Who is Christ? And he will be given unto you. Seek, Seek,
and you will find. Seek what scripture tells us in
I believe it's Deuteronomy. If you seek me with all
of your heart, I found by you. So we seek
the Lord God who is Christ, with all of our
heart and the Scripture, and we will find him there.
Knock and the door will be opened unto you. Knock
on what open the scriptures, seeking Christ, and you will
find the open door in the scriptures, that door who
is Christ? Just as Christ testifies that all the scripture
testifies of me. He says this in John five point
thirty nine and forty. He says, all the scripts. You
search the scriptures because you think in them you have
eternal life. But I tell you it is these that
testify of me. Yet you refuse to come to Me. Again.
We can't do that in the physical sense, so that
you may have life. So we have a whole nation
who not only denies Him, but to their own detriment,
they have established themselves in their pride as a counterfeit
of Who is the true Israel? Who is Christ? Because
he is the Kingdom of God, he is the Jerusalem
of God, he is the Throne, he is all of
these things. He is the Jacob, he is the David.
He is Israel. He is all of these things, as
presented prophetically through the Old Testament. He's given to us.
Just as it says in Galatians chapter three that Christ
is all in all. Well, if he is all in all,
that means he's also Israel. He's also the land. He
is also the Kingdom. He is the promise everything, all
of God's as Second Corinthians, Chapter one, eighteen and nineteen
tells us, says that all of God's promises find their
yes and amen in Jesus Christ. So therefore we no
longer need to search and look, and we don't need
to stare off into the Eschaton and worry and dread
about the coming of Antichrist. We don't need to be
afraid of what's happening outside the world, because every single
one of us is already waging a war internally against ourselves,
against the old Man. People have asked me, like, do
you know who Antichrist is? And I say absolutely. His
name is Justin Ellenboss. There's no he even tells you
in modern media. He says, I have many names because
he comes in the name of every man. Any man
who stands apart from Jesus Christ is Antichrist. Justin Ellenboss
must die so that Christ may live in me, just
as Galatian says. It says that through the law, I
have died to the law so that I may live
unto another. Therefore, it is no longer I who live,
but Christ, Jesus who lives in me, and the life
I now live. I live by faith in the Son
of God, who loved me and gave his life for me.
The new creation in me isn't a rejuvenated and better
justin Ellenboss. It is a dead beheaded justin Ellen Boss,
who has been beheaded by God. Just as Revelation twenty
says that all those who have been beheaded, everyone always
thinks that's talking about that the anti Christ and the
end times is going to come and becad men, behead
men for the testimony of God. No, look at what
the scripture says. The scripture says in Isaiah that God
is going to cut off head and tail from Israel,
the head being the prophets and the or no, excuse me,
the head being the elder man, and the tale being
the prophets and the seers who preach lie. Now, if
Christ is the head of the modern day church, or
excuse me not. If Christ is the head of all
the church, then when I'm told in Revelation twenty that
there are those who were beheaded for the testimony of
Jesus Christ who beheaded them? God, Why because if Christ,
who is My King, is my head. Then previously I
had another king who was Satan, who was my former head. Ergo,
when I came to Christ, I needed to die unto
my former self. And how did I die? God beheaded me.
He took my head, who was Satan out and cast
him down in order that he might graft me into
the body of Jesus Christ. And also as scripture teaches spiritually,
that Christ might become my head. So I was beheaded
spiritually from the head I previously had, which was Satan,
and I was given the new head, which is Christ.
I am now a part of the body of Christ,
who is Israel. And so that should teach me to
have mercy upon others and not to react with judgment,
but instead, when I see these things, when I see
men who are men just as I am, to lament
and seek God for their salvation. And if, as you said,
there's a whole nation people are saying that Iran's a
nation of lost people, well then I need If that
is God is putting that on my heart and that
conviction is in me, then I need to start considering.
Am I to go to that Am I to go
to those lost people in Iran and preach the Gospel
until they kill me.
Speaker 3: I wanted a brief sidebar before I proceed, because you
mentioned Revelation twenty verse four. I'm going to read it
and then ask you a question. And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them.
And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God,
and which had not worshiped the Beast, neither his image,
neither had received His mark upon their foreheads or in
their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for
one thousand years. So does Justin in your opinion, does
Revelation twenty four dispel the little season?
Speaker 1: The little season?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that follows the thousand year reign.
Speaker 1: So the thousand year reign is just another way. It's
just another way of saying Christ. It's just as it's
they reigned in Christ. For Christ is the thousand years.
For no man prior, for no man has ever attained
one to a thousand years. A thousand years is just
another way of saying the fullness and the perfection, because
every man prior to that died before reaching the fall
of a thousand years. No man has even drawn close
in thousands of years. How do we know this because
Peter in two Peter chapter three says that to God,
a day is a thousand years, and a thousand years
is a day. Well, okay, well what does that mean?
We go back to again Genesis chapter one, and understanding
the spiritual meaning of it, God said, let there be light,
and he called the light day. That light, of course,
precedes the fourth day in which the sun and the
moon comes, so that light is separate from the sun
and the moon. That light is Christ. So Christ ergo
is the day. He is the light. As he testifies
in the Gospel of John, I am the light of
the world. And as it says in the earlier part
of John, in chapter one, it says, and in him
was the light of life. In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And all things were created by him, and nothing was
created without him. And in him was the light of men,
excuse me, the life of men. And he is the
true light. So when it talks about the light being
the day. So when Peter, who understands this and understands
the spiritual nature by which the scriptures are to be understood.
When he says to God, a day is a thousand years,
a thousand years is a day. What he's doing is
he's giving a spiritual understanding that when we read these things,
we're not to look at chronological time periods. We are
to look to the fullness of Christ. For to God Christ,
who is the day, is Christ, who is the thousand years.
It's all fulfilled in Him. How can I again wrap
this up? If I'm a believer of Jesus Christ Scripture
says he is all in all for me, there go.
If a thousand years is a thing, then that thousand
years is Christ. If a day is a thing, that
day is Christ. So when it says they will reign
with him a thousand years, that means they will reign
in the knowledge and wisdom of God. They will reign
in Christ Jesus. The season that comes then is the
old man rearing his ugly, vile head, because Satan has
Revelation twelve teaches Us has been cast out, And maybe
it's a good thing that we go there, because Revelation
twelve absolutely clarifies that Israel is anyone throughout all time
who has ever kept faith in Jesus Christ, because it
starts with a declaration of the vision that Joseph receives
when he is in when he is dreaming of the
woman with the moon over her head and all the
stars and everything bowing down, and that in every single
tea I have ever heard that has ever interpreted that
passage will proclaim that that is an image of Israel? Correct, Like,
have you ever heard any other interpretations? Let me go
there real quick. So it's Revelation chapter twelve, starting a
verse one, and it says, and a great sign appeared
in heaven a woman clothed with the sun, with the
moon under her feet and on her head a crown
of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out
in birth pains in the agony of giving birth. Now
I have never heard anyone interpret this in any other
way than that is an image of Israel. Would you
agree or no? Oh?
Speaker 3: Completely agree?
Speaker 1: Okay? So in verse five it says, this woman, whoever
she is, and as men, as men will teach you.
And this is why again, like I said, I love
the word of God because he traps men in their conceit.
Anyone who wants to deny that Jesus Christ is Israel,
and all believers who who are in him from it
are part of Israel. This slaughters them because you take
them here and you get them to declare, oh, yeah,
that figure is Israel one hundred percent. Get them to
declare that hold fast to it of their own authority
or by whatever authority they claim, and let them hold that.
And just keep reading verse five. This figure she gave
birth to a male child, one who is to rule
and rule all the nations with the rod of iron.
But her child was caught up to God and his throne,
and the woman fled into the wilderness where she had
a place prepared by God. Again, I would testify to
you there that the wilderness is Gentiles. But that's a
whole nother story, where she had a place prepared by
God in which she is to be nourished for two
hundred and sixty days. So I would again ask them,
the woman is Israel? Correct? Who is the child? They
should if they are in any way even close to
following faith, declared that that child is Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Correct one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So then we go to the very very end of
chapter twelve to verse seventeen, and it says this then
the dragon became furious with the woman by our commentary
and by men's commentary, who is Israel, and went off
to make war on the rest of her offspring, on
those who keep the commandments of God in hold to
the testimony of Jesus Christ. Therefore, God declares, as these
men have trapped themselves in and they can't escape it,
that Israel has a male son who is Jesus born
unto her, and all of her other offspring are those
who hold to the testimony of Jesus. You need no
other evidence than this to declare that all believers throughout
all time who have ever held faith in God, who
is Jesus Christ for salvation, are Israelites. They can't escape it.
You just need to keep reading. But the thing they'll
do then is they'll just shut their ears. They'll close
their minds, shut down, They'll shut It's the only thing
they can do. They will either turn to it and repent,
which I would sadly, I can testify to you, rarely happens. Yeah,
you just mentioned that it does happen. Though it does so, yes,
just mentioned what.
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, you would mention before we hit the record button.
You had the exact same thing happen to you, and
he shut down and walked away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when as as Christ tells us, he with,
if we don't, if I don't sit there and I
don't prepare a study, I don't. I don't prepare an argument.
But I just write the word of God on my heart.
I let the Word of God dwell within me. He
tells us that when they when you go before counselors,
when you go before judges, when they bring you before
anyone who wants to debate with you, he will put
words in your mouth that your enemies cannot refuse. And
he says elsewhere of the same that it will not
be you who speaks, but the Holy Spirit who speaks
through you. And how do I know what's the Holy
Spirit speaking? Two Timothy chapter three, fourteen through seventeen tells
me that all the scripture is breathed out by God.
And David himself declares that the Holy Spirit is the
author of all of his writings. So we know that
the Holy When I am speaking the scripture as taught
by Christ, it's not I. They're not refusing me. They're
not walking away from me. They are refusing him. And
they are rebelling against him. And therefore I, just as
the Messenger, can rest in that that even if they
show me hatred, they first hated my Lord and they
hate him because he is true Israel. He is the
only hope. He is the only salvation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great points. And if we're going to walk like Christ,
we better have the same humility he did. And we
should put our pride aside and at least be willing
to listen to other people's interpretations. And if it can
be shown in the Bible, even if you don't agree,
you know, maybe you should take the time in research
before doing what we do naturally as humans, and we
go to our traditions and what we've been indoctrinated with
and kind of shut down because it may affect the
way we live. It's important to listen to other people
and that the way you explained it makes perfect sense.
And two things I want to mention before we get
too much further. Number one is you had mentioned the
Synoptic Gospels, and for our listeners, that's the first three
books of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. They're
very similar.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: They call them synoptic, which actually comes from the Greek
word synopticos able to be seen together as one. John
is different from the three. That's why that stands alone.
And then I kind of want to transfer into shift
a little bit here, justin so in my opinion, I
feel like the generation before us as a whole, right,
as a group, we're more in the Bible. Then maybe
the generation's my generation and the ones that follow me.
So if that's the case, how is it that like
my grandparents, even my I guess well grandparents, great grandparents,
how did they fall for the lie right, the Schofield
Bible and Zionism and you know, the fake Israel that
has been declared since forty seven or forty.
Speaker 1: Eight, because it's exactly what It's exactly what John chapter
five says is men seek the glory and praise of men,
and they refuse to seek the glory and praise from God.
And if another comes in his own name, they will
honor him. But they refuse to listen to Moses. They
refuse to listen to Christ. They do not have his
word dwelling within them. Anyone can read the scripture. I
can read the scripture if I do not read it
in the way in which Christ, who is the truth,
interprets it, I will be trapped in my own conceit
and God, because scripture says that God will slay the
wicked by their own evil. He will bring them to death.
He will slaughter them with the prophets, and he will
hew them by the seers. He will destroy them by
the very word that should give them life, because they
are seeking anything other than the truth. If I go
to the scriptures which declare the truth to me John
fourteen six, I am the truth. So in other words,
they declare Jesus Christ to me, and I look for
anything other than him. God tells me he will let
me find it, and he will let me kill myself
with it. He will let me destroy myself with it.
Because it goes to tewod Peter chapter two that the
false teachers who lead people astray, they're preaching the word
of God just like their father did. The devil. What
does he say? Hath God said, yes, men to see
whether men have a true knowledge and understanding of the scripture.
And the only one that ever resisted him rightly and
fully was Christ, who repeatedly said, it is written, It
is written. It is written. Because Christ knows the Scripture
knows that it declared him justice he testifies to and
therefore he is not led astray by questions that lead
to doubt. It is okay to question God, it is
not okay to doubt him, because as Hebrews chapter eleven,
verse six, is that if anyone draw or without faith,
it is impossible to please God. For anyone who would
draw near to him must believe that He exists and
that he rewards those who seek him. And just as
like we look at them. And again this goes back
to we talked about this previously. One of the podcast
is we look at these Pharisees, and we look at
these men of old times, and so many of so
much of the modern culture believes that men in ancient
days were dumber than we were. They were anderthals. No,
these men knew the Scripture verbatim. They knew the books
of the Old Testament to the letter, but they were
not reading it by faith. They were reading it as
though they could achieve righteousness within themselves, instead of acknowledging
what the Scripture says, which is we are evil and
only God is good, and we must turn to him
who is righteous, so that we who are unrighteous may
be washed clean of our transgressions. And so when we
look at these old generations who are in the Word,
we should not be surprised that they stumbled, because it's
not about being in the Word. It is being about
being in the Word rightly and seeking the truth in
the scripture. If we don't seek the truth in the scripture,
God doesn't just say you won't find anything. He says,
if you do not seek the truth, I will destroy
you in your conceit. As he says in Second Peter
chapter two, he says, they will be destroyed by their
own destruction, because they are like the dogs that wallow
in the mire. They spew out vomit, and they return
to their own vomit. Well, this is again, it's a
it is a parable. It is a spiritual image of
if the word of God is to be eaten, we
eat the word of God. Again, we're speaking spiritually. Don't
take a bible and put it in your mouth, but
imbibe the word of God, ruminate on it. If I
take the word of God and it's in my heart.
And if a false teacher does the same thing, what
he spews out is vomit. It's bile, and all, as
Isaiah says, all the tables of men are filled with vomit,
because the vomit is I've taken what is good, and
I've eaten it, and now I've chucked it back up.
And what's in it, My own bile is mixed and
mingled with it. It's disgusting, it's wretched. But they spew
this onto the tables and men eat it up. Well,
God says, you're going to fill or feed my people vomit.
You yourself will eat your own vomit, and the destruction
that is your vomit will destroy you, meaning the very
false lies that you teach will destroy you as well.
You will believe your own lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, and it goes all the way back
full circle to what we learned first in seminary Total depravity. Right,
that fallen Genesis has corrupted every part of our human nature,
our mind, our will, our emotions, and it leads people
inherently inclined to serve our own needs, our own desires,
rather than God's exactly. Moving on, I know this is
a little outside the rum of things, but would you
mind touching on your opinion of Matthew twenty four. That's
kind of been a hot topic recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me go there wherein Oh, you mean just
the all of it generations? Yeah, do you want me
to just like, am I going through the whole of
the end of the age or any specific verses or
you want me to just go through Matthew twenty four.
Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to go through the whole the
whole chapter. Just when people say, I even C. S.
Lewis question, Matthew twenty four is like the one part
of the Bible that all these things shall come before
this generation. I'm trying to find it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so again before this generation passed away. So
I want to be very clear again when we under
when we look at generation, we need to recognize what
generation means scripturally and spiritually. A generation is not what
is not again chronological time, because if we look at
this as a is a a war of two cities,
a tale of two cities, a tale of two fathers,
the heavenly Father and the abyssle father. In John chapter eight,
Christ says, you have your father, who is the devil. Okay,
Now if I if I have a father and I
am his son, and that father several thousand years later
has another son. We are of the same generation, though
we are separated by a chronological time of thousands of years.
Why because we are the generation after him. We are
of the same generation, regardless of age and chronological time.
So Scripture defines the generation that's being spoken of in
Matthew twenty four and all the all of it discourse
as the generation of wrath. The generation of wrath will
not pass away until the very end, because they must
grow up, as it says in I think it's Matthew eleven.
Let me it's the parable of the wheat and the tears,
and how they must grow up together. God is not
going to take that tears away early so that the
wheat may grow up without suffering. Why because he tells
the reapers who are the angels, and again angels being
understood as messengers and not spiritual beings like that, because
you can only you only need to go to Paul
who wanted to Because it says even in that parable
that the reapers are the angels, and Paul talks repeatedly
about I wanted to come to you so that I
may reap a harvest from among you. Because again, men
who preached and minister, the Gospel of Jesus Christ are angels.
So we're already starting to unravel this end times eschatological supernatural,
because again, supernatural as a substitute for spiritual. It's what
the enemy does when he wants to take your mind
away from where God is leaning it is to spiritual understanding,
and he wants to turn it towards something that's corrupted
and twisted and focuses on him and his evil and
angelic beings other than God, and give glory to those
angelic beings instead of God Almighty. So when we see
chapter twenty four, and it starts this, Jesus left the
temple and was going away, and when his disciples came
to point out to him the buildings of the temple,
but he answered them, you see all these, do you not? Truly?
I say to you, there will not be left here,
one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.
Now I acknowledge that in seventy eighty this was satisfied
in Rome sacking the Temple. I've read Josephus in regards
to it. It's an incredible it's an incredible narrative when
he goes with it. But when we understand this spiritually.
This is the same thing as when we talk about
the anti Christ from Second Thessalonians and the temple. We
have to recognize who is the temple of God, and
we need only go to John chapter four where Christ
gives us when he's speaking to the woman as the
Samerian woman at the well, where he says to her
in verse twenty one, he says, Jesus said to her,
coming when neither oh am I still there?
Speaker 3: You're good?
Speaker 1: Yep, it says Jesus said to her, woman, Believe me.
The hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor
in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what
you do not know. We worship what we know, for
salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming
and is now here when the true worshippers will worship
the Father in spirit and truth. For the Father is
seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and
those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
So again, when Christ looks at this temple in Matthew
twenty four and he says these will be thrown down,
he's speaking spiritually. What is he saying this temple will
no longer have any meaning for you. It was it's
thrown down in the heart of the man the moment
he recognizes that the true temple of God is Christ
and anyone in him, just as Paul testifies to in
First Corinthians chapter three when he says this, it's thrown
down in your heart. It no longer has any value.
The stones are worthless because now, as tecond Peter or
First Peter chapter two says, is we are being built
up as living precious stones into a house and a
temple for the living God. All of the apostles, all
the prophets testify to this. The temple has no meaning anymore.
It's thrown down in your mind and in your heart,
just as in Revelation chapter twelve, the enemy is thrown
out of heaven by Michael, who is the Christ. Again,
not that Michael is an archangel and Christ is a
created being. It's that Michael is a pseudonym to hide
Jesus Christ from anyone who is not seeking him in
the scripture, so that they may be lost in their
conceit and go off after heavenly being and be destroyed.
So Christ and his witnesses destroy the devil and all
of his traditions and doctrines in the mind of a man,
and cast them out with the truth. And he can
no longer infect the mind of a man from within
a mind. He can't dwell within a man's mind. He
can no longer dwell in heaven in a man. But
he still dwells within the flesh. He's cast down earth
into the sea, the earth being the dust by which
man is made. And so you still have the fleshly
cravings that wage war against your mind. Justice Peter says
that these youthful desires that wage war against your soul,
or as James says, that the passions of your flesh
wage war against you. So when you hear again, if
you keep ongoing in Matthew twenty four, and you hear
about wars and rumors of wars, it's not talking about
wars in the world. It's talking about the wars inside
us as a man, as we are being formed and
made in the image of Christ. Anti Christ has been
cast down. And it says, well one too, those who
dwell on the earth. Well again, if we think of
that in the carnal mind, we will think of that
as those who occupy a physical earth. Well, you and
I already have a spiritual understanding of what it means
to dwell on something. If I'm if I'm feeling really
depressed about something I did wrong, I'm doing what I'm
dwelling on it. So if I'm dwelling on carnal things
in my mind, I am one who is dwelling on
the earth. And Romans chapter eight tells me is that
that is death to me. In Hebrews chapter two tells
me that all of mankind was enslaved unto the devil
through the fear of death. So what is it telling
me in Revelation chapter twelve is that the enemy is
gone out into the people who still set their minds
on carnal things. He still dwells within them. He cannot
dwell in the mind of a Christian, but he does
stick with this sinful dead flesh that we have not
yet shed, and that wages war against us, just as
Roman seven teaches. So when we go to Matthew twenty
four in this Olivet discourse, this needs to be understood
spiritually that it speaks of the resurrection in the spirit
first of a Christian and the life that is going
to transpire for him at that point, So as he
sat on the Mount of Olives and disciples came to
him privately, saying, tell us, when will these things be
and what will be the sign of your coming in
the end of the age. So we and I think
we talked about this earlier. We get into so many
problems with people talking about we're in the last days,
we're in the end times, and they start to get
so stressed and panicky and anti Christ is coming. You
need only go to first John chapter two. He says,
my little children, already many Antichrists have come, and therefore
we know that this is the last hour. This is
two thousand years ago. He said that we are in
the last hour. Paul repeatedly says upon us of whom
the end of the ages has come, we who are
in the latter days, we have been there for two
thousand years, because the end of the ages is to
be understood spiritually as the end of our earthly life,
meaning as Peter chapter four, we no longer live for
the world, but the life we live in the world
now we live for Christ. We are in the latter days.
We are in the day of Christ. Spiritually. So when
it says you what will be the sign of your
coming in the end of the age. And Jesus answered them,
see that no one leads you astray. Remember that again
when we talked about the temple and men, let no
one deceive you. And then Christ or excuse me. And
then Paul also said, as let no man deceive himself.
And we discussed that the temple that the anti Christ
will sit in is not a physical temple in the world.
But the same writer, who is speaking by the same
Holy Spirit, says in one passage in one Corinthians chapter three,
you are God's temple. And then in the next, and
then in second Thessalonians chapter two, he says, and anti
Christ will seat himself in the temple of God. Therefore,
when we understand that spiritually, that means that the man
of sin and lawlessness and is a man who has
gone into the great rebellion, meaning he has turned from
trusting the Lord his God with all his heart, and
he has turned back to his own understanding, and he
has set his own mind and his own thoughts up
as authority, and he no longer worships, worships or trusts
any other God. He trusts his own authority, and he
declares himself to be God. You don't have to say
I am God to glare yourself to be God. You
need to only simply believe your own thoughts, your own authority.
Proverbs twenty eight twenty six tells us the fool trusts
in his own thoughts and his own understanding, but the
one who follows wisdom will be delivered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said all around. I'm sorry. I thought you
were done.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, I don't know
how far you wanted to go, and.
Speaker 3: I know that's that's perfect. I wanted to mention a
few notes real quick. This book is awesome. You mentioned it,
and I'm glad it did.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Joe Ciphish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't had the time to read all the
way through it because everything else is going on. But
it is. It's by William Wiston. I'll try to remember it.
I think I only paid twenty two bucks for it,
and it's you know, two thousand pages or whatever it is,
and it really it really breaks down seventy a d
better than almost you know, outside of the Bible. Obviously,
it really breaks it down. Amen, What else did I meant? Oh,
this is a big one. So you had mentioned the
wheats in the tears, so you know, you have a
lot of people. And again we always have to categorize
things pre tribe post tribe. But that parable in Matthew thirteen.
Really it seems like they're talking about that the wheat
and the tears are going to coexist until the final harvest.
So you know, are you a proponent if you will
for the for the post tribe?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: No, I don't believe in any of the trigulations. Okay,
I don't believe in I don't ascribe to any of
the esketon God. The problem with the esketon whether you're
pre post mid or your pre millennial, A'm millennial post millennial.
All of these things kick the can into the future
where God says now, today is the day of salvation time.
He never says tomorrow. He is constantly drawing men into
the present, never telling them to wait for the future.
He says wait upon me. But he still says now
is the time. Today's the day of salvation. And even
when we talk about Matthew twenty four, what will be
the signs of your coming and of the end of
the age Christ? Christ has come again in a physical form.
How how do we say this? Because Two Corinthians, chapter
three or seventeen tells us that the Lord is the Spirit.
All the scripture is breathed out by God, who is
the Spirit. Therefore, when you have a Bible and you
look and you read letters that declare the words that
fill up sentences, that make paragraphs, that form chapters, that
make up the books that form the full book of
the Bible, you are seeing that which is spiritual, which
is word given a physical manifestation in the flesh, meaning
in the carnal, in the temporal, in the scripture. And
it is the word of God, who is Jesus Christ
through his spirit. And that's how when Christ standing before
the high priest and he says to him, declare to us,
are you the son of God or are you the
son of Man? And he says, I am, And henceforth
you shall see the Son of Man coming on the
clouds of heaven in great power and glory. And they
tear their robes because they know what he's referencing back
to Daniel chapter seven. But Christ doesn't say in several
thousand years you will see this. He says, henceforth you
will see it, meaning, now, how do we understand that
if we are stand at carnally, it has to be
several thousand years in the future. And we run into
this problem where Christ, where men will say, well, Christ
was a liar, his prophecy didn't come true. He's not
a liar. He's speaking spiritually because he comes on the
clouds of heaven. What or who are the clouds of heaven?
Hebrews chapter twelve says we are surrounded by such a
great cloud of witnesses. Isaiah chapter sixty, verse eight asked
the question, who are these who fly like clouds in
heaven and who land on the windows like doves? They're
his witnesses, just like when Revelation says. Revelation says that
he comes on his great and mighty steed. The Scripture says,
my people are my steed. They're my horse. We keep
looking externally to the clouds when God is saying, I
am the word, Preach me, and he will be with us.
He's in us. He is, for lack of a better.
Speaker 4: Term, always in the warfare that we wage internally in
ourselves and with other men against the doctrines of demons,
the traditions of mens and the power in the kingdom
of the enemy, which is ignorance and pride and arrogance.
Speaker 3: So obviously we know the word raptures not in the Bible.
They pull it from the Greek word harpazzo, which means
getting caught up snatched away. In Latin it means rapturo,
which is where they come up with rapture. And I
guess the part. The key passage that everybody brings this
up is from first Thessalonians four sixteen and seventeen. It says,
for the Lord himself shall let's try that again. Sorry,
for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel and with the trump
of God, and the dead and the Christ shall rise first.
Then which then we which are alive and remains, shall
be caught up together with them in the clouds to
meet the Lord in the air, so that we so
shall we ever be with the Lord.
Speaker 1: And that's Paul making another declaration of the scripture, because
this Hebrews four twelve tells us, says that the scripture,
let me go ahead and read it, because it's so beautiful,
and I don't want to butcher it. By my own words.
So it says it this way in the ESV. For
the Word of God is living and active, sharper than
any two edged sword, piercing to the division of soul
and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning
the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Now people will
be like, well, that's talking about a sword. Ephesians chapter six,
verse seventeen or eighteen is one of those two. It says,
the sword arm yourself with the armor of God, and
the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.
Now Paul is recognizing that Paul is still a living apostle.
He still daily bears witness to the glory of Jesus
Christ through the written word. His spirit is still alive
in Christ in the written Word, and he's he gives testimony,
just as Psalm nineteen says again talking about the heavens,
to so we understands spiritually who and what the heavens are,
because as that same parable tells us in Matthew thirteen,
and it also speaks in Daniel chapter twelve, that the
righteous or the wise, who lead many to righteousness will
shine like the stars of heaven, and that the righteous
will shine like the sun, or like their father, or
shine with the light of the sun like their father.
And heaven, because again it's not talking about the earthly heaven,
but it's talking about the heaven of the scriptures and
of the mind of Jesus Christ, in which men dwell
spiritually when they have him written in their hearts, and
He dwells in them as the spiritual Jerusalem, the Kingdom
of God. Because the Kingdom of God is not of
this earth, and it is not made with hands of men,
but it is made by the Spirit of God, who
is building us up. As Ephesians chapter two twenty one
through twenty two tells us that he is building us
up into a spiritual house, a dwelling place for the Lord.
And we run into so many of these problems because
we have been taught for years to interpret these things
carnally instead of spiritually, and so we run into error,
and we look externally at the world that was made
for us, instead of at the world that God says
he is making. And Hebrews chapter two tells us that
they're talking about the author or the writer excuse me
of Hebrews, which according to the early Church Fathers was
Luke writing for Paul. The only reason that he didn't
declare it was Paul was because then the Hebrews would
have read it because they hated Paul. So if you
believe the early Church leaders, then the author of Hebrews
is Paul. But that's beside the point. Or the writer
of Hebrews is Paul. Excuse me, the author of scriptures
God is that he says, we are speaking of the
world to come, because the world to come is the
new heavens, which is the mind of Christ in a
man who has been made into the image of God,
and who then has the resurrected body, which is the
New Earth given by God, and which has been sanctified
and cleansed through death of indwelling sin.
Speaker 3: I mean, and you know I've mentioned it before, a
lot of the Rapture, especially the pre trip stuff, does
come from the Schofield Bible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean, I guess I want to.
I mean, I can engage with these is and I
can go line by line if you want in regards
to these especially in regards to the rapture and these things.
But Paul, Paul talking about we who are alive, is
talking first and foremost about the scripture, those who are
dead in Christ again, everyone who is, everyone who is
born with Christ and is baptized in Him is baptized
into his death. And so this speaks for and foremost
of the spiritual resurrection, the first resurrection, and all those
who take part in the First resurrection have no part
of the second death which comes because we have been
born again already in the spirit. We have been beheaded,
we have died onto our former life, and have now
been grafted into the body of Christ. And this is
why I, you know, to speak of all of these,
of all of these traditions like the rapture and everything,
the one big one to go back to true Israel
that I haven't really engaged with yet. But I just
want to very simply say, is I despise replacement theology
and dispensational theology. Both of them are godless lies. And
the way that you can know that without even having
to do any additional study is all the Scripture testifies
that there is no partiality with God, that he shows
no favoritism to anyone, and both replacement theology and dispensational
theology show either partiality to the Jews or to the
Christian So I can already tell you without even having
to do any further dive. Both of them are lies.
The actual truth is, it's not replacement theology, it's not
dispensational theology. It is that all believers throughout all time,
who have ever had faith in Jesus Christ, are grafted
into the Israel of is Christ. Jesus for all men
have been consigned to disobedience so that God may have
mercy on all, just as it says in Romans eleven,
what is the disobedience unbelief? How do we get to
this disobedience through the exercise of our free will which
also goes to free will versus determinism? Which men will
try to sit there, and they always do this. They
always put a dichotomy, it's one end or the other.
And the problem is it's the actual narrow way in
the middle, which is Christ. Because all of these contradictions
quote unquote are actually contrary, but they are united in Christ.
For every single man whoever exercises free will only ever
proves himself to be a transgressor only ever proves himself
to be evil. How do I know this? Because scripture
says that man's heart is only filled with evil continuously.
That's Genesis chapter six. Jeremiah chapter seventeen tells me that
the heart is deceitful and wicked above all things who
can understand it. Romans chapter three tells me there's no
one who does good, not even one. There's no fear
of God before their eyes. All of them are vipers
and wicked, and there is poisoned beneath their tongues. And
it tells me in Christ tells me that only God
is good. Eric O, do I have free will? Absolutely?
My free will has condemned me to death, because every
choice I freely ever make is to enslave myself to sin. Therefore,
when God grants me the ability to repent, I am
called to submit myself and slavery to God. You only
need to read Romans chapter six to see this, instead
of slavery to sin, in order that I may freely
give myself to God and therefore be counted in the
determined will of Him who is free and has free will.
That is good. Free will and determinism are not contradictory
to another. They're contrary to one another, but they're complementary.
In Christ, how do we know this because Christ, who
is the author of free will, we need to recognize this.
Christ made the concept of will. What does he say
in the Garden of gessemine not my will, but yours
be done. Yep. So, Christ, who is free freely submits
himself to the determined plan of God, the predetermined predestination,
however you want to say it. He went freely to
the cross so that God's predetermined plan may be satisfied
in him. Therefore, Christ took free will and united it
with determinism in himself. They are not contradictory to one another.
These are whenever you see these two dichotomy ideas, are
minianism versus free will theology, any of these things post millennial,
a millennial, pre millennial, pro trib, mid trib, pre trib.
They're always trying to separate you from one another. Therefore
we can know they are not from Christ, because Christ
unites men in himself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can add replacement theology. You know to
all of that, the belief that the Church has replaced Israel. Right,
But we know that we're people of God were defined
by faith, not by ethnicity, Like Pastor Fannon says down
in Jacksonville, we're not saved by our zip code.
Speaker 1: No. And Paul even says that in Romans nine that
not all who are of Israel are or excuse me,
not all who are of Israel are a part of Israel.
That's right, like it's because again it's not it's not dispensation,
it's not replacement. It's grafting. In Israel has always been Christ,
even when Israel. When Jacob was named Israel, when he
wrestled with the angel who was Christ, Christ gave him
a name Israel. And then Jacob immediately asks him, what
is your name? And the angel incredulously says to him,
why do you ask my name? Because the very name
he gave him was Israel, which was his name he named,
He gave him his own name. The early church leaders
know this clearly. Justin Martyr in his dialogue with Trifo Trifle,
the Jew is replete with this idea that it is
the people who keep faith in God who are the
true spiritual Israel of God. There is a carnal Israel,
and there is a spiritual Israel, just as Galatians sixteen
teaches us, and Christ is the true Israel, the spiritual
Israel of God. That is blessed. And there's, oh gosh,
the passage that everyone always goes to it they talk
about modern day Israel. You only need to again, those
who bless you or those who bless you will be blessed.
While I'm looking this up, like you just over the
Old Testament as well, that all throughout the books of Torah,
in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, God is constantly telling them whenever
the stranger chooses, or the soul journal the stranger, depending
on your translations, chooses wilfully to live among you, they
shall be counted as a natural born person among Israel.
He doesn't he doesn't separate them. He says, bring them in.
And Ezekiel forty seven is so clear on this. Sorry,
it's so there's so much zeal with this, and it's
so easy because it's everywhere in the scripture if you
actually look for it. God never separates his people. He
always draws them together.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm so glad you brought that up, because I
just I think a month six weeks ago, I just
did a substackle on polycarp and man, you mentioned how
the early folks in the church, like justin Martyr, and
same with Polycarp, who was the bishop of Smyrna, which
you know was one of the was it second, They
were the second of seven churches and Asia Minor that
received the letter from John and they there was no
Israel church separation.
Speaker 2: Oh no.
Speaker 1: And the whole Books of Acts is about that. Actually
historically you can track this down too. Alan Siegel, who
is a rabbinic Jew, wrote the Two Powers in Heaven
book which declared Christianity originally as a heretical sect of Judaism.
And this is why when you go through the Book
of Acts, the Judaizers who come in among the people,
what do they want to make, what do they want
to add on to the baptism of Jesus Christ the circumcision?
Why because they wanted to proselytize them into Judaism. Because
the followers of the Way, the Way was just a
sect of Judaism. It wasn't until Antioch that they started
becoming called Christians. And even still then the Christians were
just the followers of Jesus who claimed himself to be Christ.
But they were still Jews historically speaking. Even it wasn't
until second century AD when Simon bar Koppa's rebellion came
and he was declared by rabbis Akiba and Akila to
be Messiah. That the Jews went to the Christians and said,
join with us in declaring him to be Messiah. That
the Christian said, absolutely not, we cannot declare this man
to be Messiah, for Christ is the only Messiah. That
that's when, that's when Judaism divided itself from Christianity. Christianity
has always historically, even spiritually and historically been true Judaism,
as Romans chapter two, verses twenty eight, twenty six through
twenty nine teaches us the true Jew is one who
is circumcised in the heart, not according to the flesh,
and who's prayed from God. These things can be found
historically and they can be found spiritually, because God is
not going to leave himself without evidence. He's not going
to leave himself without proof so that people can sit
there and deny him you need. The entire Book of
Acts is about how the gentile are receiving the same
blessing of salvation that the carnal national bloodline Jews were receiving,
and it shocked them. They and then they started trying
to proselytize them into Judaism. And it's about how God
was drawing in the nations, just as he prophesied repeatedly
throughout all of the Old Testament. Because Ezekiel forty seven,
starting in verse twenty one, says this, So you shall
divide this land among you according to the tribes of Israel.
Shall allot it as an inheritance for yourself and for
the sojourners who reside among you and have had children
among you. They shall be to you as native born
children of Israel. With you, they shall be allotted an
inheritance among the tribes of Israel. In whatever tribe the
sojournal resides there, you shall assign him his inheritance, declares
the Lord God. God has never divided those from the
nations who believe in him. He has always drawn them in.
And this is also why Christ or when he went
to his home in Matthew ten, I believe it is
let me see no hold on where when he's talking
about Naamen and the widow throwing him off a cliff.
Speaker 3: Sorry, you're you're you're perfectly fine.
Speaker 1: It might be Luke, Yeah, it might be Luke ape yeah,
hol okay. So in Luke Chap four four. In verse fourteen,
it says this, and moving on, it says Jesus returning
the power of the Spirit into Galilee. And there went
out a fame of him through all the region round about,
and he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up,
And as his custom was, he went into the synagogues
on the Sabbath day and stood up to read. And
there was delivered unto him the book of the Prophet Isaiah.
And when he had opened the book, he found the
place where it was written. The spirit of the Lord
is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach
the gospel to the poor. He has sent me to
heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at
liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year
of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he
gave it again to the minister, and sat down, and
the eyes of all of them that were in the
synagogue were fastened on him, and he began to say
unto them, this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears,
and all bare him witnessed the gracious words which proceeded
out of his mouth. And they said, is this is
this not Joseph's son. So they're all enamored by him
and amazed by him right now because he's preaching to
them of good things. But this is what he says then,
And he said, unto them, yet you will surely say
to me, this proper physician, heal yourself. Whatsoever we have
heard done in Capernaum, do also hear in this country.
Verily I say unto you, no prophet is accepted in
his country. But I tell you of a truth. Many
widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when
the heavens was shut up three years and six months,
when great famine was throughout all the land. But unto
none of them was Elias sent save unto Sirepta, a
city of Sidon, which is a Canaanite city, unto a
woman that was a widow. And many lepers were in
Israel in the time of Elijah the Prophet, or excuse me,
Elishah the Prophet, and none of them were cleansed, save
Amen the Syrian. So he starts preaching of Canaanites Syrians
and saying to them, God gave favor unto them, not
to anyone in national Israel during these times. And this
is their response. And all they in the synagogue when
they heard these things, were filled with wrath and rose
up and thrust him out of the city and led
him under the brow of the hill whereon their city
was built, that they might cast him down headlong. Men
hate this truth. They hate that God is giving his grace,
his divine nature to everyone, because men want to separate, divide,
and hoarde for themselves. They loved it when he was
preaching good things about them, but the moment he started
preaching I'm also showing you that God gave grace and
favor to those who are not of the national or
bloodline heritage to Israel, they turned on him in wrath.
It's still what we see today because men don't want
Christ to be the Israel of God.
Speaker 3: I mean. And if you look at the Zohar and
tal Mood, they're all explicitly that way there it's inclusive.
They don't and they look at us differently.
Speaker 1: So it.
Speaker 3: All really adds up and it all makes sense. I
had one more thing to add, and then I need
to start ramping it up here. Oh, I know what
I wanted to mention was, in addition to the Josephus book,
go back and read Dialogue with Trifo by Justin Martyr
and Polycarp's letter to the Philippians. And you can find
it on archive dot org. You don't have to spend
the money and and it'll back up.
Speaker 1: You can find you can find all of these things
for free, especially on apps on your phone, like there
are apps on your phone you can get you can
get Josephus's book, you can get all of the early
Church follows.
Speaker 3: Free, yep, one hundred percent, and it's all in there.
It's it's all in there for sure. Man. We definitely
need to do this again in the near future because
obviously the times we're in and there are many people deceived,
there are many churches deceived. And you know, you don't
come on the podcast here and just kind of give
your your thoughts. You back everything up and you cite
everything with Bible verses, which I respect very much. Did
you have any clothes?
Speaker 1: I thought it. Go ahead, go ahead, yeah, let me
just let me just go ahead and just read man,
we haven't even got So there's there's a passage. There's
the connection of Genesis forty eight, Ezekiel thirty seven, and
Ephesians chapter two eleven through twenty two. We have to
get into that sometimes because those three right there are
eight solid just distinction or not distinction, but it's a
solid connection of how Christ through the cross, through the
stick in the hand of Judah and the stick in
the hand of Ephraim, which if you read Genesis chapter
forty eight, is when when Jacob, who is Israel, blesses
or Manassa and Ephraim excoose me. He puts Ephraim first.
He busses the younger who is Ephraim, and the older
who is Nassa, and he does so by crossing his arms,
creating the sign of the cross. And then you read it,
and he says to Joseph, who is displeased by this,
that he will that Ephraim will be many nations bearing
the name of Israel. You just need to read it.
It's literally right there. Literally says that he will bear
my name and he will be many nations. Yeah, his
seed Israel said he will bear my name.
Speaker 3: Yep, his seeds shall become a multitude of nations.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And then what was.
Speaker 3: The second Genesis? You said, Genesis forty eight and then
two yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Ezekiel chapter thirty seven, fifteen through I think
thirty where and this is right after the beginning part
of Ezekiel thirty seven, which is about the resurrection of
the House of Israel. The House of Israel Israel who
is Christ. And therefore, and this is the wonderful thing.
People who want to separate us from Israel will sit
there and say this is only about the Israelites, which
I would agree. But the Israelites are all who have
ever believed in Christ. The House of Israel Israel being Christ.
Hebrews chapter three, verse six, and says we are His
house if we hold fast to the faith that we
had from the beginning. So what does Ezekiel thirty seven
one through fourteen tell us we will be resurrected by
God as part of the House of Israel, because Israel
is Christ and we are His house if we hold
fast the faith that was given unto us from the beginning.
But then fifteen through I think it's thirty gives us
Ezekiel being given assigned to take two sticks and bind
them together, and went before before I ever understood this,
before I had ever really recognized this, I thought it
was just he was taking two sticks and putting parallel
to each other and binding them. Right. No, what he's
doing is he's taking one horizontal and one vertical, and
he's putting in perpendicular, and he's making a cross. And
he says in that and God says to him in
that passage, i am going to take the stick that
is in the hand of the tribe of Judah and
all the people associated with him, who is Christ. And
then I'm going to take the stick that is in
the hand of Joseph, which is the tribes of Ephraim,
and all the people associated with him Ephraim, who is
many nations, and I am going to unite them in one.
And then Paul in Ephesians chapter two, verses eleven through
twenty two cites this and quote he doesn't quote it, sorry,
but he cites this as now Christ down the walls
of division and has united us in one man, meaning himself,
because he is Israel. And we who were without God
in the world and were alienated from the commonwealth of Israel,
have now been brought close and are now fellow citizens,
citizens of what Israel.
Speaker 3: That's right. I think this verse twelve, that at the
time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth
of Israel and strangers from the covenants of Promise, having
no hope, and without God in the world. But now
in Christ Jesus he sometimes we're far off, are made
nigh by the blood of Christ.
Speaker 1: And I guess, amen, I just want to finish with
just this is so this theme is so abundant in
the scriptures because the Ephesians chapter three teaches us this
was the mystery that was hidden from the world, but
now has been made apparent unto his disciples through the
prophets and the apostles, so that we may go out
and testify to everyone that God has mercy on anyone
who who is willing to submit in repentance in the
fear of the Lord. And it's all throughout the Old Testament.
In Zachariah chapter two ten and eleven, it says, sing
and rejoice, O, daughter of Zion, for lo I come,
and I will dwell. In the midst of these says
the Lord. And many nations shall be joined to the
Lord in that day, and shall be my people. Just
look at the Old Testament. Who are the people of God? Israel?
Israel my people. Israel my people. It says it time
and again, Israel my people. So when it says many
nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day
and shall be my people, this is exactly what it
says in Isaiah nineteen. When there will be an altar
in Egypt, there will be a sign in Assyria, and
Israel will be the third part, and they will all
be my inheritance. They will be people of my making,
they will be my people. What is he saying, Israel
is God's inheritance. So are the He's the nations which
we could get into that. Well, it says that God
I will inherit Israel, and it also says I will
inherit the heathen nations because they're one and the same.
Because all nations that are apart from God and unbelief
are heathen nations, and that includes carnalie live in unbelief.
They are actually pagan and they are not the chosen
people of God. Who, oh my God, sorry I'm getting tangential.
Or first Peter chapter two, verse nine says we are
a chosen race. We are a holy nation, a priesthood
unto God. And this isn't about our nationality. This isn't
about our bloodline, or our heritage or our ancestors. This
is about, as Isaiah chapter twenty six tells us, let
open the gates and let the nation who keeps faith,
or as the kjav says, who hold to the truth,
enter into the kingdom.
Speaker 3: Amen. What a great ninety minutes. And and again I
want to bring you on again in the very near future.
I don't want to wait nine months again. I want
to bring you back in the very near future, maybe
even next month, to continue into this because I think
we need to have more of this conversation. And you know,
at the least I think it's going to get people
back into the Bibles.
Speaker 1: Amen. That's if there's anything we learn, read the Word
of God. Because read just Amos eight eleven through thirteen.
There is a famine that has come upon the world,
and it is not the famine of food or of drink.
It is a famine of the hearing of the word
of the Lord Men. Isaiah thirty eleven teaches us this,
men don't want to hear about Christ anymore. They say
to us, speak to us lies, teach us of soft
things and smooth things, teach us no longer of the
hard things of the Holy One of Israel. We need
to stop drawing to ourselves teachers who itch our ears,
and we need to start drawing the teacher who is Christ,
who convicts us and shows us the truth.
Speaker 3: Man, you got me fired up now, Amen, I can
talk for another two hours about My wife has given
me the Hey, we got to go.
Speaker 1: No, you're fine. I've got to go pick up my
kids from school too, So I get you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Man, it's been wonderful. God bless your brother and everything
that you've brought and against to all the audience. Justin's
email address will be in the show notes. Feel free
to reach out. He's very interactive and he's he's on
fire for the Lord. So if you have any questions,
you know, ask him and he'll put you in the
right direction. Justin, thank you again, brother, God bless you.
Speaker 1: Can I say one more thing, of course, my name
is My name is Justin Ellenboss. It's in the show notes.
I post my devotionals and things like that on my
Facebook too, So if you want I don't know if
my Facebook is public or private. Just add me as
a friend request or send me a message, and you
can literally just go down my wall and it is
literally just all the things that you're seeing and hearing
from me and I. One of the things I love
to do is answer the hard question what is it
about the bears that slaughter the forty two children? Who
is mystery? Babylon is the or what is the sign
of the beast? And anti Christ? And we answer these
things all as Christ teaches us to do so with
the mind of wisdom, the mind of Christ, as one
Corinthians two sixteen tells us Christ to his wisdom. So
we do so from the scripture, never in our own understanding. Awesome.
Speaker 3: I sent you a friend request. If that you accept it,
and I'll post it in the show notes so people
can find it easily as well.
Speaker 1: I see it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So that is you, all right?
Speaker 1: I got you, gotcha? All right? Thank you so much, George.
It's always a blessing to meet with you.
Speaker 3: Brother, you too, brother God bless you and your family,
And to all our listeners, thank you for listening to
this episode. If it meant something to you, don't keep
it to yourself, share it with your friends, your family,
and others. Certainly an interesting time in this particular timeline
of the world for Justin. I'm George, God bless you.
Keep your head on your swivel, and keep Christ and
your heart. And until we meet again, my friends, we
will see it.
Speaker 2: I know it's been struggle. I know you've had spain.
I not feel tired, held down by all the way. Yeah,
I know you feel you smile. Ain't the same I
saw were gone from you. I feel like you've lost
your way. Don't give it. No, don't give it. It
never is hold don't let call the primise. It ain't
done yet. He's got a plan. Why, it's a great time.
Speaker 5: Got up.
Speaker 2: Let me come Why what come up?
Speaker 6: Mcle I can see the street beside you. Childs are
putting up the five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing.
Speaker 2: You are. Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting
a dead found you beautiful. You're shoving ride. Yeah, you
live and breathing.
Speaker 6: Move you can hold your head a pie.
Speaker 2: Don't give up. We don't give in. Never loss home.
Don't let go on the primise me. Ain't done yet.
It's God I'm letting wants a way down? The God up?
Speaker 5: Maybe come we don't give up, No, don't give in
you never on is home?
Speaker 2: Don't let go on the primis. It ain't an life,
It's worth living. What's a way down?
Speaker 5: The God of baby call, why surprise down?
Speaker 2: The God tav Oh, yeah, why surprise down?
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TV call, Oh, don't.
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getting done. Lovers worth living?
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