WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:08.039 Good morning everybody. Corey Hughes bloody history. So we're continuing 2 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:12.519 on today with the David Ferry File. This is going 3 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:17.039 to be a David Ferry File two, Section one, Part one, 4 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:21.679 and it's going to start off with a memorandum March ninth, 5 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:26.600 nineteen sixty seven to al Oser Executive Assistant District Attorney 6 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:32.119 from Sergeant Tom Duffy and Officer CJ. Navarre. Reference interview 7 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:37.799 of Charles Holliday residing seven thirteen Herald Street, Algiers, Louisiana. 8 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.320 March seventh, nineteen sixty seven, at seven thirty pm, Officer 9 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:50.119 Navarre interviewed a mister Charles Holiday. This interview was conducted 10 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:52.960 by phone at three six two, five oh eight seven. 11 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:55.640 Mister Holliday stated that he was a member of the 12 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.719 CAP the New Orleans Airport Squadron from nineteen fifty four 13 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.439 and I teen fifty six. In nineteen fifty sixty he 14 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:05.200 went on active duty with the US Air Force. Mister 15 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.000 Holliday related that he knew David Ferry from being a 16 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.280 member of the CAAP, further that Faerry was a weird 17 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:13.719 character he heard the late. He heard that later mister 18 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:17.680 Ferry was within Airlines the only thing that stood out 19 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:20.079 was the fact that Ferry mentioned several times that he 20 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.840 had a drug or combination of drugs that he could take, 21 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.040 and no doctor could say he didn't die in natural death. 22 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:31.000 Mister Holliday related that he also never did personally see 23 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.680 David Ferry mix any drugs, also that he has never 24 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.640 gone to Dave Ferry's house. Mister Holliday stated that five 25 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:41.840 or six boys were close to Ferry, and one of 26 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.640 them was Tommy Bowman, who was present at who at 27 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:47.920 the present time is not residing in New Orleans and 28 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.599 it's unknown where he is. Also a Mister Penegwy, p 29 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:57.200 E n E. G u Y, Charlie Robertson, and Phil Cousins, 30 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:59.480 who had a brother by the name of Pete Cousins. 31 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.680 Charlie Robertson is a captain in the US Navy and 32 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:08.159 stationed in California at this time. The Cousin brothers may 33 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.719 be residing here in New Orleans. It is unknown where 34 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:18.520 mister Peneguy is now residing. Mister Holliday stated that most 35 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.120 of the group he was connected with and cap resigned 36 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.280 at the same time in nineteen fifty six and entered 37 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:28.120 various branches of the Armed Forces. Mister Holliday stated that 38 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.560 Miss Durr d u r R would have pictures of 39 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.759 the entire group because she was always there when they 40 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.759 were on maneuvers or inspections. Miss Durr d u r 41 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:43.159 R was the commanding officer of the Female CAAP. Captain 42 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.520 Ferry would tell them that they were training for guerrilla 43 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:48.520 warfare because this was the most effective way to take 44 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:51.439 over a country. The group had rifles to train with 45 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:56.879 that had led poured into the barrels. Mister Holliday stated 46 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:00.280 that Captain Ferry resided on Clay Street in Kenner during 47 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.960 the time he was with the CAAP. Further that some 48 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:06.159 of the boys, especially Tommy Bowman, would go to his home. 49 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.240 Further that at this time Captain Ferry had a Stintson 50 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:14.879 Voyager aircraft in running condition. Further that he thinks this 51 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.680 aircraft was wrecked by a hurricane in nineteen fifty seven 52 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:22.360 or nineteen fifty eight. That's kind of a blurry header 53 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:25.560 in this document. I can't really tell what it's what. 54 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:30.280 The header says, got an address, New Orleans, Louisiana, November 55 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.639 twenty fourth to twenty ninth, nineteen sixty three investigation made 56 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:38.039 by Special Agent Anthony E. Garrett's Special Agent in charge 57 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:44.319 John W. Rice Lee Harvey Oswald assassination of President Kennedy. 58 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:48.800 So this is an FBI document synopsis. Investigation disclosed that 59 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:51.520 information furnaced by Jack s Martin to the effect that 60 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.560 David William Ferry associated with Lee Harvey Oswald at New 61 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.400 Orleans and trained Oswald in the use of a rifle 62 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:01.080 with a telescopic lens. Also that Ferry had visited Dallas 63 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.039 several weeks prior to the assassination of President John F. 64 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:08.199 Kennedy is without foundation. Jack s Martin, who has the 65 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.240 appearance of being an alcoholic, as the reputation locally of 66 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:14.719 furnishing incorrect information to law enforcement officers, attorneys, et cetera. 67 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.920 Details of investigation. At five pm on eleven, twenty four 68 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:24.040 to sixty three, Donald Mitchell, fifteen oh one and a 69 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:28.920 half General Taylor Street, New Orleans, rear basement apartment, called 70 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.879 at the office and was interviewed by Reporting Agent. Mister 71 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:36.560 Mitchell stated that he shares this apartment with one J. 72 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:41.680 Phillip Stein aka Jerry. Mister Mitchell advised also that the 73 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:46.319 telephone in this apartment is in the name of Hermann S. Coleman, 74 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:51.680 Assistant District Attorney, Parish of Orleans, New Orleans, Louisiana, for 75 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.399 the reason that mister Coleman formally shared the apartment with j. 76 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:57.800 Phillip Stein, but that Coleman recently married and moved from 77 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:02.319 the apartment. The telephone in question is twin Brook one 78 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:07.160 Dash six, seven oh three. During the interview with mister Mitchell, 79 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.759 he stated that sometime during the afternoon of Sunday eleven 80 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.079 twenty four to sixty three, Jerry Stein answered the telephone 81 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:20.519 in their apartment and the person calling was endeavoring to 82 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:25.000 contact Hermann Coleman, explaining to Stein that the reason he 83 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.000 was trying to get in touch with Coleman was that 84 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.000 Coleman had written a story about an individual known as Ferry, 85 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.920 and that Ferry was a hypnotist and had either taught 86 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.439 or had something to do with Oswald being taught how 87 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:40.399 to use rifles with a telescopic lens, also indicating that 88 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:44.600 Ferry had a collection of rifles. The caller also informed 89 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.879 Stein that Ferry had been in Dallas about two weeks 90 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:49.879 prior to eleven twenty four to sixty three, and that 91 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.959 Ferry had been corresponding with Oswald. According to mister Mitchell, 92 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:57.240 the person making his telephone call said his name was Jack. 93 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:02.759 No last name given. An asterisk next to that paragraph, 94 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:07.240 and it says Jack Martin in handwriting. Subsequent to the 95 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:10.240 interview at Donald Mitchell, several attempts were made to contact 96 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:13.839 Hermann s Coleman. At eleven PM on eleven, twenty four 97 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.519 to sixty three, a telephone call was received from J. 98 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.360 Phillip Stein. He said he did not know Jack's last name. 99 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:24.519 Stated that the FBI had been investigating Ferry several weeks 100 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.959 prior to eleven, twenty four to sixty three. Ferry said 101 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.600 to be an airplane pilot and allegedly has flown supplies 102 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:34.000 to Cuba. Stein stated that Jack told him that Ferry 103 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:36.879 was said to have been in Dallas several weeks previously, 104 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:41.759 further that Ferry is allegedly a homosexual. Stein stated that 105 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.399 he was told by Jack that Ferry had been training 106 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.600 some civil Air Patrol boys in the use of foreign 107 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.600 made arms and allegedly trained Oswald in the use of 108 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:53.680 a rifle. Stein stated that Ferry is said to be 109 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:57.519 rather intelligent, that he allegedly had a PhD degree and 110 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:01.600 as a hypnotist. He said that Herman s Coleman, a 111 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.959 forman newspaper a former newspaper reporter, had written a story 112 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:08.240 about Ferry about two years ago, and that the story 113 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:10.519 had appeared in The Times Picky Union, a New Orleans 114 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:14.319 morning paper. Stein stated that according to Jack, Ferry is 115 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:18.040 alleged to have been communicating with Oswald and that both 116 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.160 were allegedly engaged in the same type of work. He 117 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.399 said that Ferry was believed to be living in the 118 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:29.920 Louisiana Avenue Parkway Avenue Parkway area, New Orleans. At eleven 119 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:32.199 ten pm on eleven, twenty four to sixty three, reporting 120 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.279 agent received a telephone call from Herman s. Colemany said 121 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.839 that he was an assistant District attorney for the Parish 122 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.399 of Orleans and that he was calling from the District 123 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.319 Attorney's office. It was apparent that mister Coleman was reluctant 124 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.519 to talk about Ferry. Finally stated, however, that the District 125 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.920 Attorney's office was conducting an investigation on their own with 126 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.879 regard to Ferry, and that Ferry is actually David Ferry, 127 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.839 White male, forty two, one hundred and ninety five, five 128 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.720 foot eleven wears a wig, having suffered loss of hair 129 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.480 in blotches. He said that Ferry has a record at 130 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:11.040 the New Orleans Police Department Bureau of Identification, that he'd 131 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:14.360 been arrested several times and charged with moral offenses involving 132 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:18.040 young boys. He said that Ferry at one time lived 133 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.519 on Atherton Drive in Metorie, Louisiana, a suburb of New Orleans. 134 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.439 Mister Coleman stated that at the time of his telephone 135 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:33.000 conversation with his office, had ten police officers investigated for 136 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.039 the District Attorney's office scouring the city for David Ferry, 137 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:38.440 and that in the event Ferry was picked up, he 138 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.799 would notify me. No request was made of mister Coleman 139 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.159 that Ferry be picked up and held for this service. 140 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:48.679 At twelve thirty five am on eleven twenty five to 141 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:53.440 sixty three, Assistant District Attorney Hermanes Coleman telephoned the reporting 142 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.720 agent at his residence, at which time he advised that 143 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.519 he had received information to the effect that I'm confused. 144 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:04.519 I thought Coleman was a was an article writer, was 145 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:09.279 a newspaperman, not a district attorney. So oh oh, well, 146 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.720 I'll continue on, at which time he advised that he 147 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.120 had received information to the effect that David William Ferry 148 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.399 had left for Dallas on Friday eleven, twenty two sixty 149 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.360 three during the afternoon, traveling in a light blue Comet. 150 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.320 He also advised that Ferry reportedly had a plane and 151 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:28.440 may still have it. He said that at the time 152 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:32.360 of his telephone conversation with me, Ferry was alleged on 153 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.159 his way back to New Orleans. Mister Coleman stated that 154 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:40.440 it was his information that Harvey Lee Oswald was in 155 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:42.759 Fairies Civil Air Patrol Group in New Orleans. I need 156 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.440 to point that out. It says here in text Harvey 157 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.440 Lee Oswald. Mister Coleman stated that it was his information 158 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.879 that Harvey Lee Oswald was in Ferry's Civil Air Patrol 159 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.720 Group in New Orleans some years ago, that Ferry allegedly 160 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:59.519 had a fraudulent charter, and that the Civil aeron Nauts 161 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:03.159 Board check on it. When pressed for all for the 162 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.279 full name of the informant thus far referred to only 163 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.240 as Jack, mister Coleman stated that he was just a 164 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:12.279 fellow who worked around the police headquarters building, and that 165 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:16.080 Jack did not want to become involved in this investigation 166 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.360 and for that reason did not want his name mentioned 167 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:23.759 in any way. Mister Coleman was informed that Jack would 168 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.840 have to be interviewed in person by representatives of this service. 169 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:29.919 During the late afternoon of eleven, twenty five, sixty three, 170 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.039 Special Agent in Charge Rice received a telephone call from 171 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:36.120 Herman S. Coleman, advising that David Ferry had been picked 172 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:39.200 up by representatives of the New Orleans Parish District Attorney's 173 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:41.799 Office and that he was being questioned in the District 174 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:45.759 Attorney's office at that time. Mister Coleman informed Special Agent 175 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.440 in Charge Rice that Ferry would shortly be brought to 176 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.960 the First District Police Station where he would be booked. 177 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:54.879 At approximately seven pm on eleven twenty five sixty three, 178 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:59.519 Special Agent in Charge Rice and reporting Agent interviewed David 179 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:05.039 William Fie White, male forty six, dated birth three, eighteen eighteen, 180 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:11.039 at Cleveland, Ohio, five eleven one ninety ready complexion, brown eyes, 181 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.120 Where's dark brown, kinky wig with a reddish tint, false 182 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:19.960 upper tooth. Resides at three three three zero Louisiana Avenue Parkway, 183 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:25.120 New Orleans, former address three three to one Atherton Drive, Metaie, Louisiana. 184 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:28.519 Ferry stated that he had lived at one seven three 185 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.879 oh two Laverne and six eight zero one Pear Avenue 186 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:37.039 in Cleveland, Ohio. David William Ferry stated that when he 187 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:40.080 was employed by Eastern Airlines, he flew mostly to Houston, 188 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:45.480 San Antonio, Corpus Christi, and Brownsville, and various intermediate points. 189 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:49.080 That he sometimes flew to New York via Atlanta and Washington. 190 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:53.600 Fairy insisted that he was in New Orleans on Thursday, 191 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:57.279 November twenty first, nineteen sixty three and on Friday, November 192 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:01.039 twenty second, nineteen sixty three until about nine pm. He 193 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.679 said that he is positive that he was in New 194 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.240 Orleans on the dates mentioned because he had been in 195 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:10.440 court in connection with a trial involving Carlos Marcello. He 196 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:14.159 stated that he departed for New Orleans about nine pm 197 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.679 on eleven, twenty two sixty three and drove to Houston 198 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.759 in Galveston, Texas with two companions, Alvin boboof about nineteen 199 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.200 or twenty years old of two four two seven Alvar Street. 200 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:27.679 Oswald used to live on Alvar Street when he was 201 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:32.720 When he was born New Orleans and Melvin Coffee, about 202 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:35.639 twenty six to twenty eight years old, six eighteen North 203 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.200 Pierce Street, New Orleans, that he was driving a nineteen 204 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.320 sixty one blue Comet ford Or station wagon with nineteen 205 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:47.200 sixty three Louisiana license, having bought the car from Delta Mercury, Inc. 206 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.120 Twenty two oh one Canal Street, New Orleans, about three 207 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:56.799 or four weeks previously. Charles Graham, salesman Ferry, stated that 208 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:01.679 he and his two companions mentioned above, returned to New 209 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:03.919 Orleans about nine thirty pm on eleven twenty four to 210 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.840 sixty three, and that he telephoned attorney g Ray Gill, 211 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:12.480 by whom he is employed as an investigator, several times, 212 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.399 that at Gill's suggestion, he left New Orleans about midnight 213 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.679 the same date and drove to Hammond, Louisiana alone, where 214 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.200 he stayed at the Holloway Smith Hall on Sycamore Street 215 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.799 at the Southeastern Louisiana College, where he has a friend 216 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.159 Thomas Compton, who does research in narcotics addiction under a 217 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:35.279 doctor Nichols under federal grant. He said he left Hammond 218 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.080 about one pm on eleven, twenty five, sixty three. That 219 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.639 would be Sunday and arrived New Orleans about three PM. Then, 220 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:47.159 immediately upon arriving at New Orleans, he contacted Attorney Gill, 221 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.720 who accompanied him to the Orleans Parish District Attorney's office, 222 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:53.720 where he was wanted for questioning in connection with the 223 00:13:53.720 --> 00:14:00.639 Oswald case. During the interview with Ferry by Special Agent 224 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.559 in Charge Rice and myself, he stated that he left 225 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.120 New Orleans on ten eleven sixty three via Taca Airlines 226 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.960 for Guatemala and had returned via the same line, arriving 227 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:14.159 New Orleans on ten eighteen sixty three. He stated that 228 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:16.639 he again left New Orleans on ten thirty sixty three 229 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:21.120 via Taca Airlines for Guatemala, returning via the same route, 230 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:25.279 arriving New Orleans on November one, sixty three. Ferry indicated 231 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:27.720 that he had made those trips to Guatemala for Attorney 232 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.879 g Ray Gill, and that the trips involved some investigative 233 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.360 work having to do with the Carlos Marcello case. David 234 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:37.360 William Ferry emphatically denied that he had been in Dallas 235 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:43.960 for the last eight to ten years. As the interview 236 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.080 with David William Ferry was about to end, he stated 237 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:50.120 that he had a very good idea who had reported 238 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:52.639 him as having associated with Oswald training him in the 239 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.120 use of rifles with telescopic lenses, etc. That he was 240 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:00.840 firmly convinced that one Jack S. Martin, he resides at 241 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:05.480 the corner of Esplanade Avenue and North Pryor Street, had 242 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.080 made this false report concerning him. He stated that Martin 243 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.240 makes a practice of hanging around the offices of various attorneys, courtrooms, 244 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.759 et cetera, and is well known locally for furnishing false 245 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.639 leads to law enforcement officers, attorneys, et cetera. Subsequent to 246 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.399 our interview with Ferry on the night of eleven twenty five, 247 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:26.320 sixty three, he was interviewed by FBI agents at the 248 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:30.360 First District Police station. On eleven twenty six, sixty three. 249 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:35.039 It was learned the FBI agents had talked with Jack S. Martin, 250 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:39.120 who admitted that he had been the informant with regard 251 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.200 to David William Ferry. That Martin had admitted to FBI 252 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.759 agents that the information which he furnished Assistant District Attorney 253 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:50.120 Coleman was a figment of his imagination and that he 254 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.840 had made up the story after reading the newspapers and 255 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:58.120 watching television, that he remembered that Coleman, a former newspaper reporter, 256 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.279 had written an article or story about Ferry a couple 257 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:03.240 of years ago, and that he pieced the whole thing 258 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.240 together in his mind and had given it to Coleman 259 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:08.799 as fact. On the night of eleven, twenty nine sixty three, 260 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:12.399 especially Agent in Charge Rice and Reporting Agent interviewed Jack S. 261 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:16.000 Martin at length in his small, run down apartment located 262 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:18.120 at one three to one one North Prior Street in 263 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:20.879 New Orleans, which he shares with his wife and six 264 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.759 year old son. Where's that interview? They're just acknowledging it's 265 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:30.000 an FBI interview, So where the fuck is it? Where 266 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:34.440 the fuck is it? Martin, who has every appearance of 267 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:37.320 being an alcoholic, admitted during the interview that he suffers 268 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.039 from telephonitis when drinking, and that it was during one 269 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.200 of his drinking sprees that he telephoned Assistant District Attorney 270 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.679 Herman S. Coleman and told him this fantastic story about 271 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.440 William David Ferry being involved with Lee Harvey Oswald. He 272 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.720 said he had heard on television that Oswald had at 273 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:56.879 one time been active in the Civil Air Patrol and 274 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.639 later heard that Ferry had been his squadron commander. Martin 275 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.240 stated that Ferry was well known to him, and that 276 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:06.480 he recalled having seen rifles in Ferry's home, and also 277 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.359 recalled that Coleman had written an article on Ferry, and 278 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:13.039 that Ferry had been a marine and that had been 279 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:17.559 with the Civil Air Patrol. Martin stated that after turning 280 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.440 all those thoughts over in his mind, he had telephoned 281 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.599 hermin S Coleman and told in this story as though 282 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.519 it was based on fact rather than his imagination. In 283 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.599 view of the above, this phase of the investigation involving 284 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:34.160 William David Ferry will be considered closed. Well, that's interesting, right, 285 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.359 So just because Jack Martin's crazy, they're dismissing the entire 286 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:40.119 fairy thing. That's what it says right here in black 287 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:43.079 and white, right in front of me. In view of 288 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:47.079 the above, this phase of the investigation involving William David 289 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:53.480 Ferry will be considered closed undeveloped LEADS case remains open 290 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.839 at New Orleans pending submission of several additional reports covering 291 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:03.359 investigation thus for conducted, after which the case will be closed. 292 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.720 Here and investigation discontinued in accordance with the Chief's instructions. 293 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.119 The chief's instructions, so the Chief is closing this thing 294 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:17.240 down on David Ferry. Next Document FBI November twenty seventh, 295 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:21.359 nineteen sixty three. Frank Karachi, co owner Club five hundred, 296 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.279 five hundred Bourbon Street, advised that he never met Jack 297 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:26.119 Lee on Ruby, but was aware of the fact that 298 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:28.839 Ruby was in New Orleans looking for dancers in about 299 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.720 June nineteen sixty three, at about the time Jeanette Conforto 300 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:37.079 was completing her engagement at the show Bar club on 301 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.240 Bourbon Street. Karachi recalled that one night, probably in June, 302 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.400 he and Nick Carno, his partner, were in his office 303 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.680 when his night manager at Cleve Dougas, came into the 304 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.720 office and said there was a man who ran the 305 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:52.119 Carousel Club in Dallas out in front who wanted to 306 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.559 talk to Karachi about hiring some dancers. He told Dugas 307 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.079 to tell this man that he knew of no dancers 308 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.519 available other than Conforto. He told Dugas to tell this 309 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:03.599 person to go to the show bar and talk to Conforto. 310 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.160 Karachi stated that neither he nor Carno met this individual, 311 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:10.200 and that he had concluded that this individual was actually 312 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.880 Ruby since he has read in the newspapers and heard 313 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:16.880 on television that Ruby operated the Carousel Club. Karachi said 314 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.880 he did not know Lee Harvey Oswald and had never 315 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:28.039 heard of him before the assassination of the president November 316 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.319 twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three. Looks like a new document. 317 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:35.960 Alfred Pecoraro, twelve oh five North Rampart Street, student at 318 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:40.519 Louisiana State University, New Orleans, advised that he's publicity chairman 319 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:43.839 of the New Orleans Council for Peaceful Alternatives and Sounds 320 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:46.799 Like Communism, and as a member of the Socialist Study 321 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:51.640 Group in New Orleans, which meets regularly at various locations 322 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:54.599 throughout the city. He said the last meeting of the 323 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.240 New Orleans Council for Peaceful Alternatives was in June of 324 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:03.119 nineteen sixty three. Pecoraro among his acquaintances are William Edwin Clark, 325 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:09.039 Lionel Hampton, Mitchell, John d Bass, Bill Hogan, Robert Hoffman, 326 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:13.519 and Dave Hoffman. Pecoraro described Dave Hoffman as a political 327 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:16.559 He said the others generally traveled in the same circles 328 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.079 as he does Pecoraro in parentheses. He noted that Hoffman 329 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:23.000 last year was editor of the Reed at Tulane University. 330 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.279 He stated Hoffman resides on Decatur Street, New Orleans, in 331 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.480 the area of Esplanade Avenue. Pecoraro advised he was certain 332 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.759 that he never attended a meeting of any group contemporarily 333 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:39.000 with Lee Harvey Oswald. He examined Oswald's photograph and stated 334 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.720 that he could not say that he has ever seen 335 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:46.319 this man in person. Pecoraro advised he most certainly had 336 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:50.559 never attended any gathering where assassination of presidents was discussed, 337 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:54.799 and that any group with which he has associated advocates peace, 338 00:20:54.920 --> 00:21:00.319 and that he would not sit through such discussions. Went 339 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.759 to President Kennedy's death, Pecoraro had a discussion with Lionel 340 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.039 Hampton Mitchell about Oswald, and Mitchell likewise stated that he 341 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:11.079 had never seen Oswald on any occasion in New Orleans. 342 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:18.119 Another FBI document, November twenty ninth, nineteen sixty three, jesse 343 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.799 R Corr the third three h two two Saint Charles Avenue. 344 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.839 Jesse Corr involved in the chain of events that got 345 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:31.440 Oswald on television. A pr man at the Trademark. He 346 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.319 stated that he was presently director of the jesse R 347 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.599 Core Public Relations Firm located in Room two eleven International 348 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.559 Trademark one three four Camp Street, New Orleans, Louisiana, and 349 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.599 added that he was also presently doing public relations political 350 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:49.279 work for his client, Robert F. Kennan, candidate for governor 351 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:56.400 State of Louisiana. I see. He stated that, Okay, I 352 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:58.599 gotta point this out. This has to be like one 353 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:04.359 of those injection points for when the CIA gets involved 354 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:08.480 at the political level. Right, So, jesse Corr works for 355 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.000 his own PR firm inside the Trademark building. He's a 356 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:14.960 close associated Clayshaw. Clayshaw clearly CIA CIA tend to only 357 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:18.640 associate with CIA for the most part, especially in a 358 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.200 professional setting. So if Jesse Corr CIA and he's handling 359 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.480 the campaign for governor, it means the CIA approves of 360 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:27.519 this governor, it is pushing for him to get elected. 361 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.119 So it seems like that's probably the case in every 362 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:37.119 election in every local jurisdiction period. He stated that some 363 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.319 time during the middle of the month in September nineteen 364 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:42.240 sixty three, when he was conferring with political associates at 365 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.599 the Roosevelt Hotel, New Orleans, Louisiana. He heard a rumor 366 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:51.319 that someone was picketing the International trademark and telephoned radio 367 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:55.039 station WDSU to inquire if the trademark was being picketed. 368 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.599 He stated that he was informed that it had been 369 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.680 reported that pickets were located at this mart, and Corr 370 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.240 added that he was aware that this mart had previously 371 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.160 been picketed by extremist groups, the names of which groups 372 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:10.559 he had never been made aware, but explained that to 373 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.839 his knowledge, they were small groups of males, but predominantly females, 374 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.759 who picketed both City Hall and International House at New Orleans, 375 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:25.279 as these buildings had displayed the United Nations flag, good 376 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:30.000 for them for picketing. Corr stated that he immediately went 377 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.440 over to this mart to see what was going on 378 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:36.079 and noted that this location to persons who appeared to 379 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:39.799 be handing out leaflets bearing the notation hands Off Cuba 380 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.880 and stamped with the name L. H. Oswald forty nine 381 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.200 oh seven Magazine Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. He stated, at 382 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.680 this location he immediately conferred with a friend of his 383 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.000 and trademarked associate named John Alice, owner of the John 384 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:57.799 Alice and Company Import Export Firm International Trademark one twenty 385 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:01.160 four Camp Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. He stated that Alice 386 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.240 showed him a handbill similar to the one described above, 387 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.839 and Kor added that he was so angered with the 388 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.039 entire idea of someone passing out such handbills that he 389 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:13.920 immediately wadded the handbill up and threw it in the 390 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:17.039 face of the person passing out such handbills. Corr stated, 391 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:19.759 in addition, he cursed this individual and called him a communist. 392 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.240 Kor explained that the person at whom he threw this 393 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.640 handbill moved his head slightly and did not speak to him, 394 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:32.359 but gave him a cold and icy stare. Corus stated 395 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.680 that on this occasion he did not know the name 396 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.680 of this individual, but explained that without any doubt, this 397 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:40.720 individual was directing the activities on this occasion at the 398 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:44.319 Trademartin further explained that it was not until November twenty second, 399 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:48.160 nineteen sixty three, when Lee Harvey Oswald's picture appeared on television, 400 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.240 that he was aware that the individual who was passing 401 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.039