Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. Corey Hughes bloody history. So we're continuing
Speaker 1: on today with the David Ferry File. This is going
Speaker 1: to be a David Ferry File two, Section one, Part one,
Speaker 1: and it's going to start off with a memorandum March ninth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven to al Oser Executive Assistant District Attorney
Speaker 1: from Sergeant Tom Duffy and Officer CJ. Navarre. Reference interview
Speaker 1: of Charles Holliday residing seven thirteen Herald Street, Algiers, Louisiana.
Speaker 1: March seventh, nineteen sixty seven, at seven thirty pm, Officer
Speaker 1: Navarre interviewed a mister Charles Holiday. This interview was conducted
Speaker 1: by phone at three six two, five oh eight seven.
Speaker 1: Mister Holliday stated that he was a member of the
Speaker 1: CAP the New Orleans Airport Squadron from nineteen fifty four
Speaker 1: and I teen fifty six. In nineteen fifty sixty he
Speaker 1: went on active duty with the US Air Force. Mister
Speaker 1: Holliday related that he knew David Ferry from being a
Speaker 1: member of the CAAP, further that Faerry was a weird
Speaker 1: character he heard the late. He heard that later mister
Speaker 1: Ferry was within Airlines the only thing that stood out
Speaker 1: was the fact that Ferry mentioned several times that he
Speaker 1: had a drug or combination of drugs that he could take,
Speaker 1: and no doctor could say he didn't die in natural death.
Speaker 1: Mister Holliday related that he also never did personally see
Speaker 1: David Ferry mix any drugs, also that he has never
Speaker 1: gone to Dave Ferry's house. Mister Holliday stated that five
Speaker 1: or six boys were close to Ferry, and one of
Speaker 1: them was Tommy Bowman, who was present at who at
Speaker 1: the present time is not residing in New Orleans and
Speaker 1: it's unknown where he is. Also a Mister Penegwy, p
Speaker 1: E n E. G u Y, Charlie Robertson, and Phil Cousins,
Speaker 1: who had a brother by the name of Pete Cousins.
Speaker 1: Charlie Robertson is a captain in the US Navy and
Speaker 1: stationed in California at this time. The Cousin brothers may
Speaker 1: be residing here in New Orleans. It is unknown where
Speaker 1: mister Peneguy is now residing. Mister Holliday stated that most
Speaker 1: of the group he was connected with and cap resigned
Speaker 1: at the same time in nineteen fifty six and entered
Speaker 1: various branches of the Armed Forces. Mister Holliday stated that
Speaker 1: Miss Durr d u r R would have pictures of
Speaker 1: the entire group because she was always there when they
Speaker 1: were on maneuvers or inspections. Miss Durr d u r
Speaker 1: R was the commanding officer of the Female CAAP. Captain
Speaker 1: Ferry would tell them that they were training for guerrilla
Speaker 1: warfare because this was the most effective way to take
Speaker 1: over a country. The group had rifles to train with
Speaker 1: that had led poured into the barrels. Mister Holliday stated
Speaker 1: that Captain Ferry resided on Clay Street in Kenner during
Speaker 1: the time he was with the CAAP. Further that some
Speaker 1: of the boys, especially Tommy Bowman, would go to his home.
Speaker 1: Further that at this time Captain Ferry had a Stintson
Speaker 1: Voyager aircraft in running condition. Further that he thinks this
Speaker 1: aircraft was wrecked by a hurricane in nineteen fifty seven
Speaker 1: or nineteen fifty eight. That's kind of a blurry header
Speaker 1: in this document. I can't really tell what it's what.
Speaker 1: The header says, got an address, New Orleans, Louisiana, November
Speaker 1: twenty fourth to twenty ninth, nineteen sixty three investigation made
Speaker 1: by Special Agent Anthony E. Garrett's Special Agent in charge
Speaker 1: John W. Rice Lee Harvey Oswald assassination of President Kennedy.
Speaker 1: So this is an FBI document synopsis. Investigation disclosed that
Speaker 1: information furnaced by Jack s Martin to the effect that
Speaker 1: David William Ferry associated with Lee Harvey Oswald at New
Speaker 1: Orleans and trained Oswald in the use of a rifle
Speaker 1: with a telescopic lens. Also that Ferry had visited Dallas
Speaker 1: several weeks prior to the assassination of President John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy is without foundation. Jack s Martin, who has the
Speaker 1: appearance of being an alcoholic, as the reputation locally of
Speaker 1: furnishing incorrect information to law enforcement officers, attorneys, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Details of investigation. At five pm on eleven, twenty four
Speaker 1: to sixty three, Donald Mitchell, fifteen oh one and a
Speaker 1: half General Taylor Street, New Orleans, rear basement apartment, called
Speaker 1: at the office and was interviewed by Reporting Agent. Mister
Speaker 1: Mitchell stated that he shares this apartment with one J.
Speaker 1: Phillip Stein aka Jerry. Mister Mitchell advised also that the
Speaker 1: telephone in this apartment is in the name of Hermann S. Coleman,
Speaker 1: Assistant District Attorney, Parish of Orleans, New Orleans, Louisiana, for
Speaker 1: the reason that mister Coleman formally shared the apartment with j.
Speaker 1: Phillip Stein, but that Coleman recently married and moved from
Speaker 1: the apartment. The telephone in question is twin Brook one
Speaker 1: Dash six, seven oh three. During the interview with mister Mitchell,
Speaker 1: he stated that sometime during the afternoon of Sunday eleven
Speaker 1: twenty four to sixty three, Jerry Stein answered the telephone
Speaker 1: in their apartment and the person calling was endeavoring to
Speaker 1: contact Hermann Coleman, explaining to Stein that the reason he
Speaker 1: was trying to get in touch with Coleman was that
Speaker 1: Coleman had written a story about an individual known as Ferry,
Speaker 1: and that Ferry was a hypnotist and had either taught
Speaker 1: or had something to do with Oswald being taught how
Speaker 1: to use rifles with a telescopic lens, also indicating that
Speaker 1: Ferry had a collection of rifles. The caller also informed
Speaker 1: Stein that Ferry had been in Dallas about two weeks
Speaker 1: prior to eleven twenty four to sixty three, and that
Speaker 1: Ferry had been corresponding with Oswald. According to mister Mitchell,
Speaker 1: the person making his telephone call said his name was Jack.
Speaker 1: No last name given. An asterisk next to that paragraph,
Speaker 1: and it says Jack Martin in handwriting. Subsequent to the
Speaker 1: interview at Donald Mitchell, several attempts were made to contact
Speaker 1: Hermann s Coleman. At eleven PM on eleven, twenty four
Speaker 1: to sixty three, a telephone call was received from J.
Speaker 1: Phillip Stein. He said he did not know Jack's last name.
Speaker 1: Stated that the FBI had been investigating Ferry several weeks
Speaker 1: prior to eleven, twenty four to sixty three. Ferry said
Speaker 1: to be an airplane pilot and allegedly has flown supplies
Speaker 1: to Cuba. Stein stated that Jack told him that Ferry
Speaker 1: was said to have been in Dallas several weeks previously,
Speaker 1: further that Ferry is allegedly a homosexual. Stein stated that
Speaker 1: he was told by Jack that Ferry had been training
Speaker 1: some civil Air Patrol boys in the use of foreign
Speaker 1: made arms and allegedly trained Oswald in the use of
Speaker 1: a rifle. Stein stated that Ferry is said to be
Speaker 1: rather intelligent, that he allegedly had a PhD degree and
Speaker 1: as a hypnotist. He said that Herman s Coleman, a
Speaker 1: forman newspaper a former newspaper reporter, had written a story
Speaker 1: about Ferry about two years ago, and that the story
Speaker 1: had appeared in The Times Picky Union, a New Orleans
Speaker 1: morning paper. Stein stated that according to Jack, Ferry is
Speaker 1: alleged to have been communicating with Oswald and that both
Speaker 1: were allegedly engaged in the same type of work. He
Speaker 1: said that Ferry was believed to be living in the
Speaker 1: Louisiana Avenue Parkway Avenue Parkway area, New Orleans. At eleven
Speaker 1: ten pm on eleven, twenty four to sixty three, reporting
Speaker 1: agent received a telephone call from Herman s. Colemany said
Speaker 1: that he was an assistant District attorney for the Parish
Speaker 1: of Orleans and that he was calling from the District
Speaker 1: Attorney's office. It was apparent that mister Coleman was reluctant
Speaker 1: to talk about Ferry. Finally stated, however, that the District
Speaker 1: Attorney's office was conducting an investigation on their own with
Speaker 1: regard to Ferry, and that Ferry is actually David Ferry,
Speaker 1: White male, forty two, one hundred and ninety five, five
Speaker 1: foot eleven wears a wig, having suffered loss of hair
Speaker 1: in blotches. He said that Ferry has a record at
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Police Department Bureau of Identification, that he'd
Speaker 1: been arrested several times and charged with moral offenses involving
Speaker 1: young boys. He said that Ferry at one time lived
Speaker 1: on Atherton Drive in Metorie, Louisiana, a suburb of New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Mister Coleman stated that at the time of his telephone
Speaker 1: conversation with his office, had ten police officers investigated for
Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office scouring the city for David Ferry,
Speaker 1: and that in the event Ferry was picked up, he
Speaker 1: would notify me. No request was made of mister Coleman
Speaker 1: that Ferry be picked up and held for this service.
Speaker 1: At twelve thirty five am on eleven twenty five to
Speaker 1: sixty three, Assistant District Attorney Hermanes Coleman telephoned the reporting
Speaker 1: agent at his residence, at which time he advised that
Speaker 1: he had received information to the effect that I'm confused.
Speaker 1: I thought Coleman was a was an article writer, was
Speaker 1: a newspaperman, not a district attorney. So oh oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'll continue on, at which time he advised that he
Speaker 1: had received information to the effect that David William Ferry
Speaker 1: had left for Dallas on Friday eleven, twenty two sixty
Speaker 1: three during the afternoon, traveling in a light blue Comet.
Speaker 1: He also advised that Ferry reportedly had a plane and
Speaker 1: may still have it. He said that at the time
Speaker 1: of his telephone conversation with me, Ferry was alleged on
Speaker 1: his way back to New Orleans. Mister Coleman stated that
Speaker 1: it was his information that Harvey Lee Oswald was in
Speaker 1: Fairies Civil Air Patrol Group in New Orleans. I need
Speaker 1: to point that out. It says here in text Harvey
Speaker 1: Lee Oswald. Mister Coleman stated that it was his information
Speaker 1: that Harvey Lee Oswald was in Ferry's Civil Air Patrol
Speaker 1: Group in New Orleans some years ago, that Ferry allegedly
Speaker 1: had a fraudulent charter, and that the Civil aeron Nauts
Speaker 1: Board check on it. When pressed for all for the
Speaker 1: full name of the informant thus far referred to only
Speaker 1: as Jack, mister Coleman stated that he was just a
Speaker 1: fellow who worked around the police headquarters building, and that
Speaker 1: Jack did not want to become involved in this investigation
Speaker 1: and for that reason did not want his name mentioned
Speaker 1: in any way. Mister Coleman was informed that Jack would
Speaker 1: have to be interviewed in person by representatives of this service.
Speaker 1: During the late afternoon of eleven, twenty five, sixty three,
Speaker 1: Special Agent in Charge Rice received a telephone call from
Speaker 1: Herman S. Coleman, advising that David Ferry had been picked
Speaker 1: up by representatives of the New Orleans Parish District Attorney's
Speaker 1: Office and that he was being questioned in the District
Speaker 1: Attorney's office at that time. Mister Coleman informed Special Agent
Speaker 1: in Charge Rice that Ferry would shortly be brought to
Speaker 1: the First District Police Station where he would be booked.
Speaker 1: At approximately seven pm on eleven twenty five sixty three,
Speaker 1: Special Agent in Charge Rice and reporting Agent interviewed David
Speaker 1: William Fie White, male forty six, dated birth three, eighteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: at Cleveland, Ohio, five eleven one ninety ready complexion, brown eyes,
Speaker 1: Where's dark brown, kinky wig with a reddish tint, false
Speaker 1: upper tooth. Resides at three three three zero Louisiana Avenue Parkway,
Speaker 1: New Orleans, former address three three to one Atherton Drive, Metaie, Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Ferry stated that he had lived at one seven three
Speaker 1: oh two Laverne and six eight zero one Pear Avenue
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, Ohio. David William Ferry stated that when he
Speaker 1: was employed by Eastern Airlines, he flew mostly to Houston,
Speaker 1: San Antonio, Corpus Christi, and Brownsville, and various intermediate points.
Speaker 1: That he sometimes flew to New York via Atlanta and Washington.
Speaker 1: Fairy insisted that he was in New Orleans on Thursday,
Speaker 1: November twenty first, nineteen sixty three and on Friday, November
Speaker 1: twenty second, nineteen sixty three until about nine pm. He
Speaker 1: said that he is positive that he was in New
Speaker 1: Orleans on the dates mentioned because he had been in
Speaker 1: court in connection with a trial involving Carlos Marcello. He
Speaker 1: stated that he departed for New Orleans about nine pm
Speaker 1: on eleven, twenty two sixty three and drove to Houston
Speaker 1: in Galveston, Texas with two companions, Alvin boboof about nineteen
Speaker 1: or twenty years old of two four two seven Alvar Street.
Speaker 1: Oswald used to live on Alvar Street when he was
Speaker 1: When he was born New Orleans and Melvin Coffee, about
Speaker 1: twenty six to twenty eight years old, six eighteen North
Speaker 1: Pierce Street, New Orleans, that he was driving a nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty one blue Comet ford Or station wagon with nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty three Louisiana license, having bought the car from Delta Mercury, Inc.
Speaker 1: Twenty two oh one Canal Street, New Orleans, about three
Speaker 1: or four weeks previously. Charles Graham, salesman Ferry, stated that
Speaker 1: he and his two companions mentioned above, returned to New
Speaker 1: Orleans about nine thirty pm on eleven twenty four to
Speaker 1: sixty three, and that he telephoned attorney g Ray Gill,
Speaker 1: by whom he is employed as an investigator, several times,
Speaker 1: that at Gill's suggestion, he left New Orleans about midnight
Speaker 1: the same date and drove to Hammond, Louisiana alone, where
Speaker 1: he stayed at the Holloway Smith Hall on Sycamore Street
Speaker 1: at the Southeastern Louisiana College, where he has a friend
Speaker 1: Thomas Compton, who does research in narcotics addiction under a
Speaker 1: doctor Nichols under federal grant. He said he left Hammond
Speaker 1: about one pm on eleven, twenty five, sixty three. That
Speaker 1: would be Sunday and arrived New Orleans about three PM. Then,
Speaker 1: immediately upon arriving at New Orleans, he contacted Attorney Gill,
Speaker 1: who accompanied him to the Orleans Parish District Attorney's office,
Speaker 1: where he was wanted for questioning in connection with the
Speaker 1: Oswald case. During the interview with Ferry by Special Agent
Speaker 1: in Charge Rice and myself, he stated that he left
Speaker 1: New Orleans on ten eleven sixty three via Taca Airlines
Speaker 1: for Guatemala and had returned via the same line, arriving
Speaker 1: New Orleans on ten eighteen sixty three. He stated that
Speaker 1: he again left New Orleans on ten thirty sixty three
Speaker 1: via Taca Airlines for Guatemala, returning via the same route,
Speaker 1: arriving New Orleans on November one, sixty three. Ferry indicated
Speaker 1: that he had made those trips to Guatemala for Attorney
Speaker 1: g Ray Gill, and that the trips involved some investigative
Speaker 1: work having to do with the Carlos Marcello case. David
Speaker 1: William Ferry emphatically denied that he had been in Dallas
Speaker 1: for the last eight to ten years. As the interview
Speaker 1: with David William Ferry was about to end, he stated
Speaker 1: that he had a very good idea who had reported
Speaker 1: him as having associated with Oswald training him in the
Speaker 1: use of rifles with telescopic lenses, etc. That he was
Speaker 1: firmly convinced that one Jack S. Martin, he resides at
Speaker 1: the corner of Esplanade Avenue and North Pryor Street, had
Speaker 1: made this false report concerning him. He stated that Martin
Speaker 1: makes a practice of hanging around the offices of various attorneys, courtrooms,
Speaker 1: et cetera, and is well known locally for furnishing false
Speaker 1: leads to law enforcement officers, attorneys, et cetera. Subsequent to
Speaker 1: our interview with Ferry on the night of eleven twenty five,
Speaker 1: sixty three, he was interviewed by FBI agents at the
Speaker 1: First District Police station. On eleven twenty six, sixty three.
Speaker 1: It was learned the FBI agents had talked with Jack S. Martin,
Speaker 1: who admitted that he had been the informant with regard
Speaker 1: to David William Ferry. That Martin had admitted to FBI
Speaker 1: agents that the information which he furnished Assistant District Attorney
Speaker 1: Coleman was a figment of his imagination and that he
Speaker 1: had made up the story after reading the newspapers and
Speaker 1: watching television, that he remembered that Coleman, a former newspaper reporter,
Speaker 1: had written an article or story about Ferry a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, and that he pieced the whole thing
Speaker 1: together in his mind and had given it to Coleman
Speaker 1: as fact. On the night of eleven, twenty nine sixty three,
Speaker 1: especially Agent in Charge Rice and Reporting Agent interviewed Jack S.
Speaker 1: Martin at length in his small, run down apartment located
Speaker 1: at one three to one one North Prior Street in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, which he shares with his wife and six
Speaker 1: year old son. Where's that interview? They're just acknowledging it's
Speaker 1: an FBI interview, So where the fuck is it? Where
Speaker 1: the fuck is it? Martin, who has every appearance of
Speaker 1: being an alcoholic, admitted during the interview that he suffers
Speaker 1: from telephonitis when drinking, and that it was during one
Speaker 1: of his drinking sprees that he telephoned Assistant District Attorney
Speaker 1: Herman S. Coleman and told him this fantastic story about
Speaker 1: William David Ferry being involved with Lee Harvey Oswald. He
Speaker 1: said he had heard on television that Oswald had at
Speaker 1: one time been active in the Civil Air Patrol and
Speaker 1: later heard that Ferry had been his squadron commander. Martin
Speaker 1: stated that Ferry was well known to him, and that
Speaker 1: he recalled having seen rifles in Ferry's home, and also
Speaker 1: recalled that Coleman had written an article on Ferry, and
Speaker 1: that Ferry had been a marine and that had been
Speaker 1: with the Civil Air Patrol. Martin stated that after turning
Speaker 1: all those thoughts over in his mind, he had telephoned
Speaker 1: hermin S Coleman and told in this story as though
Speaker 1: it was based on fact rather than his imagination. In
Speaker 1: view of the above, this phase of the investigation involving
Speaker 1: William David Ferry will be considered closed. Well, that's interesting, right,
Speaker 1: So just because Jack Martin's crazy, they're dismissing the entire
Speaker 1: fairy thing. That's what it says right here in black
Speaker 1: and white, right in front of me. In view of
Speaker 1: the above, this phase of the investigation involving William David
Speaker 1: Ferry will be considered closed undeveloped LEADS case remains open
Speaker 1: at New Orleans pending submission of several additional reports covering
Speaker 1: investigation thus for conducted, after which the case will be closed.
Speaker 1: Here and investigation discontinued in accordance with the Chief's instructions.
Speaker 1: The chief's instructions, so the Chief is closing this thing
Speaker 1: down on David Ferry. Next Document FBI November twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. Frank Karachi, co owner Club five hundred,
Speaker 1: five hundred Bourbon Street, advised that he never met Jack
Speaker 1: Lee on Ruby, but was aware of the fact that
Speaker 1: Ruby was in New Orleans looking for dancers in about
Speaker 1: June nineteen sixty three, at about the time Jeanette Conforto
Speaker 1: was completing her engagement at the show Bar club on
Speaker 1: Bourbon Street. Karachi recalled that one night, probably in June,
Speaker 1: he and Nick Carno, his partner, were in his office
Speaker 1: when his night manager at Cleve Dougas, came into the
Speaker 1: office and said there was a man who ran the
Speaker 1: Carousel Club in Dallas out in front who wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to Karachi about hiring some dancers. He told Dugas
Speaker 1: to tell this man that he knew of no dancers
Speaker 1: available other than Conforto. He told Dugas to tell this
Speaker 1: person to go to the show bar and talk to Conforto.
Speaker 1: Karachi stated that neither he nor Carno met this individual,
Speaker 1: and that he had concluded that this individual was actually
Speaker 1: Ruby since he has read in the newspapers and heard
Speaker 1: on television that Ruby operated the Carousel Club. Karachi said
Speaker 1: he did not know Lee Harvey Oswald and had never
Speaker 1: heard of him before the assassination of the president November
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three. Looks like a new document.
Speaker 1: Alfred Pecoraro, twelve oh five North Rampart Street, student at
Speaker 1: Louisiana State University, New Orleans, advised that he's publicity chairman
Speaker 1: of the New Orleans Council for Peaceful Alternatives and Sounds
Speaker 1: Like Communism, and as a member of the Socialist Study
Speaker 1: Group in New Orleans, which meets regularly at various locations
Speaker 1: throughout the city. He said the last meeting of the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Council for Peaceful Alternatives was in June of
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. Pecoraro among his acquaintances are William Edwin Clark,
Speaker 1: Lionel Hampton, Mitchell, John d Bass, Bill Hogan, Robert Hoffman,
Speaker 1: and Dave Hoffman. Pecoraro described Dave Hoffman as a political
Speaker 1: He said the others generally traveled in the same circles
Speaker 1: as he does Pecoraro in parentheses. He noted that Hoffman
Speaker 1: last year was editor of the Reed at Tulane University.
Speaker 1: He stated Hoffman resides on Decatur Street, New Orleans, in
Speaker 1: the area of Esplanade Avenue. Pecoraro advised he was certain
Speaker 1: that he never attended a meeting of any group contemporarily
Speaker 1: with Lee Harvey Oswald. He examined Oswald's photograph and stated
Speaker 1: that he could not say that he has ever seen
Speaker 1: this man in person. Pecoraro advised he most certainly had
Speaker 1: never attended any gathering where assassination of presidents was discussed,
Speaker 1: and that any group with which he has associated advocates peace,
Speaker 1: and that he would not sit through such discussions. Went
Speaker 1: to President Kennedy's death, Pecoraro had a discussion with Lionel
Speaker 1: Hampton Mitchell about Oswald, and Mitchell likewise stated that he
Speaker 1: had never seen Oswald on any occasion in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Another FBI document, November twenty ninth, nineteen sixty three, jesse
Speaker 1: R Corr the third three h two two Saint Charles Avenue.
Speaker 1: Jesse Corr involved in the chain of events that got
Speaker 1: Oswald on television. A pr man at the Trademark. He
Speaker 1: stated that he was presently director of the jesse R
Speaker 1: Core Public Relations Firm located in Room two eleven International
Speaker 1: Trademark one three four Camp Street, New Orleans, Louisiana, and
Speaker 1: added that he was also presently doing public relations political
Speaker 1: work for his client, Robert F. Kennan, candidate for governor
Speaker 1: State of Louisiana. I see. He stated that, Okay, I
Speaker 1: gotta point this out. This has to be like one
Speaker 1: of those injection points for when the CIA gets involved
Speaker 1: at the political level. Right, So, jesse Corr works for
Speaker 1: his own PR firm inside the Trademark building. He's a
Speaker 1: close associated Clayshaw. Clayshaw clearly CIA CIA tend to only
Speaker 1: associate with CIA for the most part, especially in a
Speaker 1: professional setting. So if Jesse Corr CIA and he's handling
Speaker 1: the campaign for governor, it means the CIA approves of
Speaker 1: this governor, it is pushing for him to get elected.
Speaker 1: So it seems like that's probably the case in every
Speaker 1: election in every local jurisdiction period. He stated that some
Speaker 1: time during the middle of the month in September nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty three, when he was conferring with political associates at
Speaker 1: the Roosevelt Hotel, New Orleans, Louisiana. He heard a rumor
Speaker 1: that someone was picketing the International trademark and telephoned radio
Speaker 1: station WDSU to inquire if the trademark was being picketed.
Speaker 1: He stated that he was informed that it had been
Speaker 1: reported that pickets were located at this mart, and Corr
Speaker 1: added that he was aware that this mart had previously
Speaker 1: been picketed by extremist groups, the names of which groups
Speaker 1: he had never been made aware, but explained that to
Speaker 1: his knowledge, they were small groups of males, but predominantly females,
Speaker 1: who picketed both City Hall and International House at New Orleans,
Speaker 1: as these buildings had displayed the United Nations flag, good
Speaker 1: for them for picketing. Corr stated that he immediately went
Speaker 1: over to this mart to see what was going on
Speaker 1: and noted that this location to persons who appeared to
Speaker 1: be handing out leaflets bearing the notation hands Off Cuba
Speaker 1: and stamped with the name L. H. Oswald forty nine
Speaker 1: oh seven Magazine Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. He stated, at
Speaker 1: this location he immediately conferred with a friend of his
Speaker 1: and trademarked associate named John Alice, owner of the John
Speaker 1: Alice and Company Import Export Firm International Trademark one twenty
Speaker 1: four Camp Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. He stated that Alice
Speaker 1: showed him a handbill similar to the one described above,
Speaker 1: and Kor added that he was so angered with the
Speaker 1: entire idea of someone passing out such handbills that he
Speaker 1: immediately wadded the handbill up and threw it in the
Speaker 1: face of the person passing out such handbills. Corr stated,
Speaker 1: in addition, he cursed this individual and called him a communist.
Speaker 1: Kor explained that the person at whom he threw this
Speaker 1: handbill moved his head slightly and did not speak to him,
Speaker 1: but gave him a cold and icy stare. Corus stated
Speaker 1: that on this occasion he did not know the name
Speaker 1: of this individual, but explained that without any doubt, this
Speaker 1: individual was directing the activities on this occasion at the
Speaker 1: Trademartin further explained that it was not until November twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, when Lee Harvey Oswald's picture appeared on television,
Speaker 1: that he was aware that the individual who was passing
Speaker 1: out these handbills on this occasion was identical with Lee
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald. He advised that neither prior to this occasion
Speaker 1: nor subsequent to it, had seen this individual, with the
Speaker 1: obvious exception of seeing Oswald's picture on television in connection
Speaker 1: with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. He described
Speaker 1: Oswald as being under thirty five foot eight inches tall,
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty pounds, appearing frail, with his hair
Speaker 1: thinning in front, and appearing dark but not black. Shortly
Speaker 1: after the above described incident, Corps stated he went to
Speaker 1: his office in the Trademark and while there received a
Speaker 1: telephone call from someone located at radio station WDSU who
Speaker 1: inquired of cor if a cameraman had arrived at the Trademark.
Speaker 1: So that's not how it went down. Corps contacted Corporan,
Speaker 1: not the other way around. How would Corporand have known
Speaker 1: otherwise to send someone out there. Nobody fucking knew except
Speaker 1: for cor And in this line from god Day to
Speaker 1: corp and then to Corporan, right for whatever? These motherfucker's
Speaker 1: so full of shit. He stated that he informed the
Speaker 1: person who called from this station that while he was
Speaker 1: observing the activity at this location, a photographer from this
Speaker 1: radio station was observed to be taking pictures. Korr was
Speaker 1: furnished copies of approximately six photographs taken by radio station
Speaker 1: WDSU on this occasion and picked out an individual from
Speaker 1: among persons represented in these photographs as identical with the
Speaker 1: individual he saw at the trademark during September nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: and added that this was the same individual was, in
Speaker 1: his opinion, identical with Oswald. Core continued to examine the
Speaker 1: photographs referred to and picked out a white male described
Speaker 1: by Corer below as being an associate of Oswald's on
Speaker 1: this occasion, but added that he did not know the
Speaker 1: name of this individual. Korr added that as he recalled,
Speaker 1: only the two persons described were observed to him to
Speaker 1: pass out handbills on this occasion, and he stated that
Speaker 1: he saw no other person handing out these pamphlets among
Speaker 1: the persons pictured in the photographs which Korr observed. He
Speaker 1: identified the file named persons and added that these individuals
Speaker 1: were present on that occasion as spectators of the activity
Speaker 1: at the trademark. Jay It says Ihara e Har, but
Speaker 1: it's probably Ebara, identified by COR's Japanese who operates an
Speaker 1: import export firm named Cosuga and Company Limited. On the
Speaker 1: third floor of the International Trademark one twenty four Camp Street,
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Louisiana. John Alice owner John Allison Company, Import
Speaker 1: Export Firm, International Trademark Missus Isaac Dolores neely named by
Speaker 1: Corr as his former secretary and presently associated with the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Press Group, New Orleans, Louisiana. Corr stated that
Speaker 1: he possibly observed the activity at this mart for twenty
Speaker 1: to twenty five minutes at the time in question, and
Speaker 1: added that since he thought this information might be useful
Speaker 1: to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, he then telephoned that
Speaker 1: organization and reported the nature of the activity described above.
Speaker 1: All right next one handwritten heading Ferry dated eleven, twenty
Speaker 1: seven sixty three. David William Ferry was interviewed at his
Speaker 1: residence thirty three thirty Louisiana Avenue, Parkway and was advised
Speaker 1: of the identity of the interviewing agents. He was advised
Speaker 1: he did not have much to did not have to
Speaker 1: make a state much of a statement, but that any
Speaker 1: statement he did make could be used in court, and
Speaker 1: that he had the right to the advice of an attorney.
Speaker 1: Ferry stated that at the time of the Bay of
Speaker 1: pigs invasion of Cuba, he was very embarrassed and concerned
Speaker 1: over the lack of air cover provided the Cubans who
Speaker 1: were engaged in the invasion, and that he severely criticized
Speaker 1: President John F. Kennedy, both in public and in private.
Speaker 1: He stated that he does not recall specifically what he
Speaker 1: said in making these criticisms, and that he might have
Speaker 1: used an offhand or colloquial expression like he ought to
Speaker 1: be shot to express his feelings concerning the Cuban situation.
Speaker 1: He stated that he has never made any statement that
Speaker 1: President Kennedy should be killed with the intention that this
Speaker 1: be done, and has never at any time outlined or
Speaker 1: formulated any plans or made any statement as to how
Speaker 1: this could be done or who should do it. Ferry
Speaker 1: stated that when it came to serious discussions when the
Speaker 1: question of impeachment of President Kennedy arose, he opposed any
Speaker 1: impeachment proceedings. Ferry said that within a year prior to
Speaker 1: the first Russian spotnik, he recalls being quite critical of
Speaker 1: the US space project and the defense program. He said
Speaker 1: he had also been critical of any president riding in
Speaker 1: an open car, and it made the statement that anyone
Speaker 1: could hide in the bushes and shoot a president. Ferry
Speaker 1: also advised that he has been accused of being a
Speaker 1: worshiper of President Kennedy because he is a liberal and
Speaker 1: strongly believes in President Kennedy's civil rights program and fiscal program.
Speaker 1: Ferry stated he's never loaned his library card to Lee,
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald or any other person at any time, and
Speaker 1: that his library card, to the best of his recollection,
Speaker 1: has not been out of his possession since it was
Speaker 1: u who was issued to him. He exhibited New Orleans
Speaker 1: Public Library card number m L eight nine four thretey seven,
Speaker 1: bearing the stamped lettering n RPD in the upper left
Speaker 1: hand corner. Ferry said that the letters and R meant
Speaker 1: non resident and the letters P D meant paid. He
Speaker 1: related that at the time he obtained this library card,
Speaker 1: he was living in Metairie, Louisiana, and had to pay
Speaker 1: for the issuance of the card. The library card shows
Speaker 1: it was issued in the name of doctor David Ferry
Speaker 1: three thirty one Atherton Drive, and an expiration data is
Speaker 1: shown as March thirteenth, nineteen sixty three. Ferry stated he
Speaker 1: has no recollection of knowing or having met Lee Harvey
Speaker 1: Oswald in the Civil Air Patrol or in any business
Speaker 1: or social capacity. So that's not really too far outside
Speaker 1: of the realman possibility because Ferry had been doing the
Speaker 1: Civil Air Patrol stuff for years and Oswald was a
Speaker 1: shy kid who just hung out with ed Va Belle
Speaker 1: and he only went like three four times, if even that.
Speaker 1: So for Fairy to say he had no recollection of
Speaker 1: him makes a lot of sense. And I do not
Speaker 1: believe he interacted with Oswald in New Orleans in sixty
Speaker 1: two or sixty three at all. Zero evidence for it. None. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of hearsay that doesn't have any corroboration.
Speaker 1: Fairy stated he's never owned a telescopic site, a rifle
Speaker 1: equipped with a telescopic site, has never used a weapon
Speaker 1: equipped with a telescopic site, and does not know how
Speaker 1: to use one. He also said has never instructed Lee
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald or anyone else in the use of American
Speaker 1: made or foreign made rifles or firearms. Ferry said that
Speaker 1: while in the Civil Air Patrol, he assisted in firearms
Speaker 1: instruction at Civil Air Patrol Bivouax for range safety only.
Speaker 1: Ferry claimed he has owned a Stintson one fifty blue
Speaker 1: and white single engine four passenger monoplane registration eight two
Speaker 1: nine three K, and that displane has not been airworthy
Speaker 1: since the license expired in the spring of sixty two.
Speaker 1: Fairry stated he's never flownly Harvey Oswald to Dallas or
Speaker 1: any other place in Texas at any time. He said
Speaker 1: that the plane would have access only planes he'd have
Speaker 1: access to would be rental planes. Hmm. Okay, So this
Speaker 1: next one another FBI document, the Harvey Oswald assassination, President Kennedy,
Speaker 1: Special Agent Garretts, and John Rice again. Okay, more stuff
Speaker 1: on the Jerry Stein phone calls. We've already gone over this.
Speaker 1: I can skip over this stuff. They do that a
Speaker 1: lot in some of these documents. Lots and lots of duplication. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back to another document, factual background for reasons stated
Speaker 1: and discharge of Captain Ferry. I think this is just
Speaker 1: an update to the previous outline of offenses he had
Speaker 1: committed and been no prosse. So let's go over one
Speaker 1: more time. During sixty one and sixty two, the following
Speaker 1: criminal charges were brought against Captain Ferry and Orleans and
Speaker 1: Jefferson Parish based on sworn affidavids and complaining witnesses in
Speaker 1: Orleans extortion NOL prost January fourth, public intimidation of state witness.
Speaker 1: That's the Cruchet stuff. I think the cruche stuff should
Speaker 1: be coming up. We'll get to it at some point.
Speaker 1: That was NOL prost January fourth, and Crimes against Nature
Speaker 1: no prost November fifth, sixty two. Jefferson Parish. Indecent behavior
Speaker 1: with a juvenile contributing to delincncy of a minor all
Speaker 1: nol pross November fifth. And then there's no listing on
Speaker 1: what this charge here is, but there's another one one
Speaker 1: O three to oh eight it just is not guilty
Speaker 1: February twenty third, sixty two. And then two or charges
Speaker 1: unknown no prost No number fifth sixty two. So those
Speaker 1: are whole slew of charges, mostly around the David Ferry
Speaker 1: interactions with Al Landry Eric Cruche. And there's one more
Speaker 1: L and not al bobof he hung out with like
Speaker 1: three different fucking l's. The following information, which should have
Speaker 1: been revealed in the application for employment or on the
Speaker 1: pre employment physical examination forms, were discovered during the investigation.
Speaker 1: We've already gone over this all the lists of stuff.
Speaker 1: He was refused to allow Fairry to continue in the
Speaker 1: seminary because of emotional instability. Emotional instability is code words
Speaker 1: for he was a pedophile. Faerry was treated for his
Speaker 1: mental problems by A. K. Gardner and Wilford Gille of Cleveland.
Speaker 1: After above treatment, Ferry reapplied Saint Charles and was refused. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we covered all this stuff all right. Next one we
Speaker 1: have looks like a Jim Garrison document, a memorandum on Ferry,
Speaker 1: Sergeant T. Duffy as from Sergeant T. Duffy and Detective C. Navarre,
Speaker 1: probably of the police Department. Interview of Mike Finnie residing
Speaker 1: at fourteen eighteen Berman in Algiers, Louisiana, telephone three sixty one,
Speaker 1: five eight five seven, March six sixty seven. Mister Finnie
Speaker 1: was interviewed in regard to his connection with Silvil Air Patrol.
Speaker 1: Mister Finney stated that he joined the CAP in fifty
Speaker 1: eight and was in the New Orleans Airport Squadron. This
Speaker 1: was the first time he had met David Ferry. He
Speaker 1: was also in the original Falcon squadron that David Ferry
Speaker 1: had formed. There were originally about ten men in this outfit.
Speaker 1: He stated that he remained in the Falcon Squadron until
Speaker 1: about sixty one, when he found out that this was
Speaker 1: not a valid branch of the CAP. Mister Finney stated
Speaker 1: that while he was connected with the CAAP, he never
Speaker 1: met Oswald or never heard his name mentioned. He also
Speaker 1: stated that mister Larry Atkinson was a friend of Dave
Speaker 1: Ferry's at this time. He also stated that of mister
Speaker 1: al Cheremy, that's al Cheremi al Andre was in the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Squadron and that he was a very close
Speaker 1: friend of David Ferries. It is his recollection that al
Speaker 1: Jeremy joined the Marine Corps in the summer of sixty two.
Speaker 1: He also stated that he knew a Johnny Johnson who
Speaker 1: was a member of the squadron at the time, and
Speaker 1: that Johnson, as far as he knew it, was a
Speaker 1: student at Tulane University. He stated that Johnson lived somewhere
Speaker 1: either in Los Angele, in Algiers or Gretna. He may
Speaker 1: live on Newton Street. Finney stated that a Major Morell
Speaker 1: was the head of the CAP New Orleans Squadron and
Speaker 1: that he was also a very good friend of Fairies.
Speaker 1: He also stated that Johnny Johnson's mother had told him
Speaker 1: that Ferry helped Morel a number of times with many problems.
Speaker 1: At this time, Morel was a shoe salesman in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: and it is his understanding that Morrell left New Orleans
Speaker 1: and is staying somewhere in Texas. He stated that on
Speaker 1: occasions when he was in the CAP he stayed overnight
Speaker 1: at David Ferries's house. Johnny Johnson and Al Jeremy also
Speaker 1: stayed at David Ferriyes's house overnight. He stated that A
Speaker 1: Bob Boyleston was a cad at commander in the CAAP
Speaker 1: and he was also a good friend of Fairies, as
Speaker 1: were John Rion and Al Landry. It is mister Finney's
Speaker 1: understanding that Dave Ferry had a disagreement with Major Morrell,
Speaker 1: and at this time Ferry broke away from the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Squadron and formed the Falcon Squadron. While in this office,
Speaker 1: Finny was showing pictures of Oswalt clay Shawguy Banister, and
Speaker 1: several others, and he could identify only Dave Ferry. All right,
Speaker 1: that brings us to the end of that section. We're
Speaker 1: going to start on David Ferry File two, Section two
Speaker 1: another memo. August first, nineteen sixty one. Oh, it's a letter, okay.
Speaker 1: So David Ferry gets in trouble at Eastern Airlines for
Speaker 1: being a pedophile, and Sergei Arcacia also known as Sergi
Speaker 1: Arcacia Smith, he writes a letter to Eastern Airlines and
Speaker 1: he tries to get David Ferry out of trouble. This
Speaker 1: other also other times, and I think this is what
Speaker 1: we're about to read. He tries to get David Ferry
Speaker 1: excused for like a month at a time in order
Speaker 1: to go on like some Cuban runs right, tries to
Speaker 1: get him out of work because Faerry is a guest,
Speaker 1: telling him he can't do it because he can't get
Speaker 1: out of work. So that appears what this is here
Speaker 1: in front of me, So let us continue. August first,
Speaker 1: sixty one, Mister Sergi Archaja Smith, Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front
Speaker 1: two seven Balter Building, New Orleans, Louisiana. Dear mister Smith,
Speaker 1: the request made in your letter of July sixteenth to
Speaker 1: Captain Rickenbacher has been given careful consideration. Unfortunately, we will
Speaker 1: be unable to give Captain Ferry a leave at this
Speaker 1: time for several reasons. In the first place, our flight
Speaker 1: crews are all badly needed at the present time due
Speaker 1: to the volume of our flight operations this time of year.
Speaker 1: In addition to this fact, Eastern found it necessary several
Speaker 1: years ago to establish a policy of not granting leaves
Speaker 1: of absence without absence with pay for any political reason.
Speaker 1: This policy has been followed for many years, regardless of
Speaker 1: the company's sympathies for the political cause involved. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: we're unable to grant Captain Ferry a leave as requested.
Speaker 1: Yours sincerely, j R. Halliburton, Executive Vice President, Eastern Airlines
Speaker 1: CC do a whole bunch of people at Eastern Airlines.
Speaker 1: This must be the original letter. The heading on it
Speaker 1: is a Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front, New Orleans Delegate two
Speaker 1: O seven Balter Building, New Orleans, Louisiana. Captain Eddie V. Rickenbacker,
Speaker 1: Chairman of the Board, Eastern Airlines, Inc. New York, New York.
Speaker 1: Dear Captain Rickenbacker, as you know, the above organization is
Speaker 1: the provisional Cuban government until such time as Fidel Castro
Speaker 1: is expelled. It is on behalf of that organization that
Speaker 1: this letter of request is written. It is requested that
Speaker 1: you send to us for two or three months. Your
Speaker 1: Captain David W. Ferry, let me explain this request, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I love it when he says this. He says,
Speaker 1: this is the provisional Cuban government until such time as
Speaker 1: Phil Castro is expelled. Like what he's saying is he's
Speaker 1: the fucking wan Guido of motherfucking Cuba way back in
Speaker 1: sixty one. This is hilarious. They never had a fucking chance.
Speaker 1: It was never the I don't think it was ever
Speaker 1: their fucking plan to replace Castro. Ever, it looked so
Speaker 1: good for the CIA to have a communist off our shores.
Speaker 1: I mean, give me a break. The whole story we've
Speaker 1: been told is retarded. When the FRD was originally organized
Speaker 1: under the demands of the US government, the FRD was
Speaker 1: up front for the efforts of the CIA to reinstate
Speaker 1: democratic government in Cuba. The effort of April seventeenth failed,
Speaker 1: as you know. Thereafter the morale the Cubans in exile
Speaker 1: and the underground within Cuba fell to zero. Then along
Speaker 1: came Captain Ferry. He strongly prodded our whole organization until
Speaker 1: it was revitalized. Thereafter, dissident elements were removed, fund collecting began,
Speaker 1: the underground was reorganized, and the reharrassment of Castro has begun.
Speaker 1: Efforts to unsee Castro have been proceeding along the paramilitary
Speaker 1: lines outlined by President Kennedy and within the framework of
Speaker 1: the US Neutrality Act. At this time, our efforts aren't
Speaker 1: nearing a climax. When this climax is reached, the position
Speaker 1: of Castro should become rapidly untenable. Thereafter, our disruptions of
Speaker 1: certain imports have already created substantial unrest. We labor under
Speaker 1: and its kind of blurry and severe time handicap. It
Speaker 1: looks like at this time there are forty five MiG
Speaker 1: fifteen aircraft, forty five MiG seventeen, and we have seen
Speaker 1: three MiG nineteen. We are certain of two IRAM hard installations.
Speaker 1: Numerous watercraft are held by Castro. The whole is to
Speaker 1: be aimed at the Republic of Panama in December, when
Speaker 1: the US is tied down in Berlin. Therefore, we must
Speaker 1: move intelligently with speed. Cubans must retake Cuba for the
Speaker 1: sake of all the Americas. The reinvigorating of our program
Speaker 1: was the result of the prodding of Captain Ferry and
Speaker 1: his associates here in New Orleans. Through him, we've been
Speaker 1: able to get the best advice in affairs political, economic,
Speaker 1: and military. Further, he has helped us straighten other affairs.
Speaker 1: As a result, our organization is running smoother ever every day,
Speaker 1: and our operations have begun. In addition, Captain Ferry has
Speaker 1: been assisting in obtaining needed equipment. Likewise, he has been
Speaker 1: assisting in the handling of the refugees. Since events are
Speaker 1: approaching a climax, we sorely need his advice on a
Speaker 1: day to day basis. Knowing your own often demonstrated patriotism,
Speaker 1: we are requesting that Captain Ferry be given either a
Speaker 1: sixty or ninety day leave with pay, so that the
Speaker 1: work at hand can be completed. At this time, he
Speaker 1: holds in his hands so many threads which pertain to
Speaker 1: the security of the Caribbean area that no reasonable substitution
Speaker 1: could be made. We hope that you will review this
Speaker 1: request with favor. Likewise, any other help or service service
Speaker 1: which you may give us will be greatly appreciated. Signed
Speaker 1: Sergeia Arcocia Smith, Official Delicate front eight Revolutionario Democratico FRD.
Speaker 1: So I just love how he's straight up says here
Speaker 1: in this letter. When the FRD was originally organized under
Speaker 1: the demands of the US government, the FRD was to
Speaker 1: front for the efforts of the CIA to reinstate democratic
Speaker 1: government in Cuba. So just let the cat out of
Speaker 1: the bag. Why don't you all the way back in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one. So I love when people say that
Speaker 1: they there's no evidence for the connection of the CIA
Speaker 1: to Ferry and his whole crew down in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: It's like, go, fuck your dumb self, It's ridiculous. This
Speaker 1: whole thing is CIA start to finish with some Office
Speaker 1: of Naval Intelligence lingering in the background. So let me
Speaker 1: see what they have next for us. No, next we
Speaker 1: start to move into some of the church stuff. We
Speaker 1: have a letter from the Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, Sacred
Speaker 1: Congregation of the Consistory Patriarchy of Antioch, Government of India,
Speaker 1: Act twenty one of eighteen sixty AD Orthodox That sounds
Speaker 1: like a under bullshit, sounds like some Jack Martin stuff.
Speaker 1: But this is where we will pick up. I'm enjoying this.
Speaker 1: We'll pick this up tomorrow. So I'll see you guys then. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot more episodes of my bloody history
Speaker 1: World War II on substack, and so you still have
Speaker 1: a chance to get a free book if you sign
Speaker 1: up for a year of my substack, and so that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it for me, guys. I will see you
Speaker 1: guys tomorrow. H eight