Speaker 1: Yeah, you know where about years ago when he won the.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, you least if he's alone. People say, I
Speaker 2: have friends everywhere.
Speaker 3: I have friends everywhere.
Speaker 2: Those words.
Speaker 4: Okay, we've reached the end of June and this is
Speaker 4: Gloff culture, and boy are we spread out across America.
Speaker 4: We got Jonah Goldberg and Aspen, Colorado. Hi, Jonah, Hey John,
Speaker 4: You've got Rob Long in Princeton, New Jersey on a
Speaker 4: telephone because, as you may know, Princeton University not a
Speaker 4: friend to the Jews, and the Jews seem to have
Speaker 4: knocked out the internet in Princeton, New Jersey, thus leaving
Speaker 4: him solely on an iPhone. Is that right? I guess
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I I usually blame the Jews for
Speaker 1: everything but kind of tongue in cheic, and now you're
Speaker 1: telling me that I was right all along.
Speaker 4: Well, there you go. You know what, if we're gonna
Speaker 4: get blamed for it, we're going to take credit for it. Also, then,
Speaker 4: Wired buddy.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you haven't knocked out my
Speaker 1: all my internet. I still have a lot of internet
Speaker 1: capability left. It's got a ah ju kind of a
Speaker 1: half job.
Speaker 5: I think you're celebrating a little too soon.
Speaker 4: I you know what, according to my after battle reports,
Speaker 4: I believe that you are down to about three percent
Speaker 4: Internet and should try to use your Internet. I do
Speaker 4: want to know whether whether or not you are actually
Speaker 4: going to.
Speaker 1: We're going to shut you down according to the Jews
Speaker 1: that run Verizon or whatever I have, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's not Horizon.
Speaker 4: So you have Exfinityinity, because I just got a report
Speaker 4: from the Jews that you have Exfinity.
Speaker 1: According to the Jews that run Exfinity, I'll can have
Speaker 1: it back in twenty minutes, by seven twenty, they say
Speaker 1: seven twenty.
Speaker 5: So you know, I don't know. Look, I mean, I
Speaker 5: think you'rey maturely.
Speaker 4: John, Jonah, Hey, John, let me just ask you as
Speaker 4: you you're an Aspen I believe you're at the Aspen
Speaker 4: Ideas Festival. Has your brain grown with the with the
Speaker 4: incredible intellection on display at the Aspen Ideas, But do
Speaker 4: you feel yourself coursing with ideas, new ideas, fresh ideas,
Speaker 4: the ideas of the sort that can create an Antichrist
Speaker 4: and Peter thel which we'll get to in a minute.
Speaker 3: So the short answer is no. But I want to
Speaker 3: a little kind because they've been very gracious hosts to
Speaker 3: me and they treated me very well here. At the
Speaker 3: same time, I'm not one for interfacing networking, uh confabbing,
Speaker 3: and the amount of that sort of thing and weird
Speaker 3: words for like having a conversation has left me exhausted.
Speaker 3: The order people have emailed me to say, Hey, I
Speaker 3: see you're gonna be an Aspen. Do you want to
Speaker 3: talk about what we're doing to prevent Gerbil famine in
Speaker 3: Biafra or whatever? Is just it's just exhausting.
Speaker 4: But that's what Richard Gear said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know where you're going. You can't even drop
Speaker 3: a Gerbil reference without like, now, we're not even getting.
Speaker 4: That, Missoul, and we're gonna have to do a damage report.
Speaker 4: So I'm just going to be you and me Jonah
Speaker 4: talking here as as we do on a case, not
Speaker 4: only there, but just in life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would like maybe, uh, maybe we
Speaker 3: even turned this into a cross promoted remnant.
Speaker 4: Who knows there we got a cross promoted remnant? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 4: why not? Because because it's the two of us. Okay,
Speaker 4: so if it's the two of us, let's figure out
Speaker 4: what earth. So let me ask you, John, have you
Speaker 4: ever been to Aspen. I have never been to ask them,
Speaker 4: so I recommend SI ski.
Speaker 3: So it's very expensive here.
Speaker 4: It is not a billionaire.
Speaker 3: It is mind bogglingly the expensive. This morning, just to
Speaker 3: give you a level setting, I got three cups of
Speaker 3: black coffee, like regular drip coffee, twelve ounce cups, not
Speaker 3: even like the big sixteen kind of ounce cups, and
Speaker 3: two muffins forty nine dollars.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's really expensive to haul stuff up
Speaker 4: the mountain base. I got to haul it up the
Speaker 4: mountain with these workers who, as I remember reading, like,
Speaker 4: have to live three hours away and somehow get there
Speaker 4: and then get home three hours back. I don't really care.
Speaker 4: I mean it's fine. Everybody I know who lives in
Speaker 4: Aspen loves Aspen or has a house and Aspen they
Speaker 4: don't even live. And no one lives in Aspen except
Speaker 4: rich people go to Aspen to ski. And then there
Speaker 4: are people work in the shops or their ski bums
Speaker 4: who who teach them skiing. So everybody should they should
Speaker 4: only enjoy and have a wonderful time, and you should
Speaker 4: have one full time at the Ideas Festival.
Speaker 3: I'm done with the Ideas festival. I mean, I might
Speaker 3: go to a party tonight, but I'm leaving in the
Speaker 3: morning and my wife. I brought my wife with me
Speaker 3: and we went to the Aspen Farmers Market, yes and
Speaker 3: a local had warned me that the Aspen Farmers Market
Speaker 3: is uh is all lip filler and doodles.
Speaker 4: What are doodles?
Speaker 5: What do you like?
Speaker 3: Laberdoodle, Bernie doodle, all of those doodles being like dogs.
Speaker 4: They sell dogs.
Speaker 3: It's like the dogs in Aspen, doodles of one kind.
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to tell me about stuff
Speaker 4: being woke at the a or something at the Aspen
Speaker 4: No farmer's market like the Park Slope co Op.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was saying to somebody yesterday that, you know,
Speaker 3: you walk around the Aspen Farmers Market and there are
Speaker 3: a lot of tinctures of mountain mushroom things and clever
Speaker 3: soaps and candles and aroma therapy things. And I was like,
Speaker 3: where's the one table for the bored husband son, you know,
Speaker 3: the dude who just wants to see cool knives? Like
Speaker 3: there should have been one table with like just cool
Speaker 3: masculine things, and there was none. It was all skewed
Speaker 3: towards UH, very attractive women with lip filler walking doodles.
Speaker 4: And we are, of course you're talking about. Isn't that
Speaker 4: Lauren Bobert's district or it's right next to Lauren Bobert's district.
Speaker 3: I thought it was like Colorado Springs or something like that.
Speaker 4: I could be wrong. I'm wrong about many things, but
Speaker 4: I do know that, yes, there are many right wing
Speaker 4: people in Colorado. Not an assmen, not an Aspen. Okay.
Speaker 4: I wanted to share with you one woke piece of
Speaker 4: information because there's been a lot of talk on the
Speaker 4: right about how the woke is dead. Woke is dead.
Speaker 4: You know, people are really understanding now that everything went
Speaker 4: too far and people have got to pull it back
Speaker 4: and all of that. But I went to the theater yesterday.
Speaker 4: I went to see a new version of Pirates Dependzance
Speaker 4: on Broadway called Pirates depend Zance Musical at the Roundabout Theater,
Speaker 4: a theater company that's been around for like forty fifty
Speaker 4: years and is not noted for being particularly political. It
Speaker 4: is one of the few theater companies which I can
Speaker 4: say they do not look to stage extremely political things.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it is Rob Long has returned to
Speaker 4: our broadcast here. How do I say, I am a
Speaker 4: sound good? Does it sound good to you? Now you're
Speaker 4: sounding bad? Okay? Oh go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well it was that I that the solution might be
Speaker 1: just to go on my phone and on my iPad.
Speaker 5: But apparently that's not a solution.
Speaker 4: No, Now it seems fine. You sound okay, You sound okay.
Speaker 4: Let's see how it goes, because we've already established as
Speaker 4: a baseline that you are going in and out, so
Speaker 4: if you go out, you'll go out. I just want
Speaker 4: to finish my story about going to the Roundabout Theater
Speaker 4: to see Pirates the Penzance Musical, as it's now called.
Speaker 4: It's Parts of Pendzance, but it's set in eighteen eighty
Speaker 4: in New Orleans. First half is fantastic, second half not
Speaker 4: so good. But that's because they said it New Orleans.
Speaker 4: And the great joke at the end of the Parts
Speaker 4: of Penzance is that all the pirates turn out to
Speaker 4: be noblemen's children, and they and they they come back
Speaker 4: into the gentry, you know, into the nobility, and they
Speaker 4: worship the queen and everything ends. And of course you
Speaker 4: can't have that in America. But here's the point in
Speaker 4: the lobby of the Roundabout Theater, there was a huge poster,
Speaker 4: and the poster says, we're all in this together. Theater
Speaker 4: exists only with an audience, and at Roundabout we're committed
Speaker 4: to getting better and better at welcoming everyone. So please
Speaker 4: feel free to engage with the show, genuinely, show kindness
Speaker 4: toward each other, don't judge others' responses, and don't presume
Speaker 4: you know someone else's story as they experience the show.
Speaker 4: And then, in big capital letters, we all play an
Speaker 4: ongoing part to dismantle racism, ableism, colonialism, discrimination based on
Speaker 4: gender identity and sexual orientation, and all other forms of oppression.
Speaker 4: Roundabout reserves the right to relocate or remove any person
Speaker 4: who disregards our intention to make our theaters and events
Speaker 4: welcoming and accessible to all. So they're trying to dismantle
Speaker 4: all forms of oppression, and they are thereby going to
Speaker 4: oppress anybody who objects to the means by which they
Speaker 4: are going to repress oppression or something. So this is
Speaker 4: why I say that while many people on the right
Speaker 4: think that wokeism is done, it ain't done. And now
Speaker 4: Rob is done because he is gone, he might come back,
Speaker 4: maybe he's horrified by what I said. Jonah, what is
Speaker 4: your experience with the supposed death of Woke, because I
Speaker 4: think we're prematurely saluting the death of Woke. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: see all.
Speaker 3: Of that kind of stuff as I mean, you and
Speaker 3: I are older though, to remember that before Woke there
Speaker 3: was political correctness, right, and like I see that as like, uh,
Speaker 3: like you know, tides in a wetland, you know, they
Speaker 3: come in, it goes out. I do think we are
Speaker 3: not going to see the high wa water mark of
Speaker 3: woke again for a while, but we're still going to
Speaker 3: have to walk through some sludgy wokeness from time to
Speaker 3: time to extend the metaphor inpermissibly.
Speaker 4: I like it. I like that metaphor. I think it's
Speaker 4: an excellent metaphor. You know what else is a little woke,
Speaker 4: But it's like one of the best things I've ever
Speaker 4: seen is the show The Pit. I feel it necessary
Speaker 4: to praise The Pit unreservedly. I've now seen seven episodes
Speaker 4: of the fifteen episode show, which is about one shift
Speaker 4: in an er in Pittsburgh. So each hour sort of
Speaker 4: like twenty four is an hour? Is it elapsed hour
Speaker 4: of time on one shift? And so I'm now an
Speaker 4: hour seven and it's about the best hospital show I've
Speaker 4: ever seen. It's by the people who made Er. In fact,
Speaker 4: there is a lawsuit in which the Michael Crichton the
Speaker 4: state claims that it was supposed to be a sequel
Speaker 4: to Er and they should get part of the profits.
Speaker 4: But it is just almost like the platonic ideal of
Speaker 4: a hospital show set entirely inside the hospital. You are
Speaker 4: on a shift in a hospital. There are doctors, there
Speaker 4: are patients, There are little patient stories. The doctors each
Speaker 4: have private lives. And as the show unfolds over these
Speaker 4: fifteen hours, and as I say, I've only watched seven
Speaker 4: of them, you learn who the doctors are, you learn
Speaker 4: what their relationships are, you learn about the nurses, you
Speaker 4: learn about the patients, and all of it is done
Speaker 4: in the same kind of heart pounding, quick moving camera,
Speaker 4: always moving way where you're moving from one patient to another,
Speaker 4: to another doctor, to a resident, to an intern, to
Speaker 4: a nurse, to the waiting room and so on. And
Speaker 4: it's a sensational achievement in television.
Speaker 3: So I have not seen it. I've heard a lot
Speaker 3: of buzz about it. My wife watched it without me
Speaker 3: I was traveling or something, some deep betrayal there, and
Speaker 3: she liked it, but she was surprised how much you
Speaker 3: liked it. She was like, really, pod like it that much?
Speaker 3: It's so didactic. That was her official response to your text.
Speaker 4: Ah. Interesting, Well, I can't say that I find it didactic.
Speaker 4: Yet maybe it gets more didactic as it goes, and
Speaker 4: as I say, it's.
Speaker 5: A little woke.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: There's a plot about a mother and taking a girl
Speaker 4: to the emergency room to get an abortion, and the
Speaker 4: mother showing up and saying, that's my daughter. You're pretending
Speaker 4: to be her mother, and she's seventeen and I don't
Speaker 4: want her getting an abortion. So there's that, and there's
Speaker 4: some other stuff. There's a transpatient, that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But I just as a connoisseur of the medical show
Speaker 4: and a fan of the medical show since I loved
Speaker 4: Marcus Welby when I was nine years old. Marcus Welby
Speaker 4: MD huge hit when I was nine years old, number
Speaker 4: one show on television in like nineteen seventy one. I
Speaker 4: loved it. Then. I love doctor shows. This somehow is
Speaker 4: the instillation of everything that's good about doctor shows and
Speaker 4: throws away everything that's bad.
Speaker 3: Well, I will watch it, okay. But see, this is
Speaker 3: one of the advantages of Rob not being able to
Speaker 3: get on the podcast, as we can actually talk about
Speaker 3: pop culture, and then listeners should know. Every now and
Speaker 3: then Rob's either avatar or his visage reappears on our screen,
Speaker 3: and it's sort of like you get a kind of
Speaker 3: vibe like somebody drowning who's just coming back up to
Speaker 3: the surface to ask for help, and then they sink
Speaker 3: back down and disappear. So if we sound weird, it's
Speaker 3: partly because of that. Have you watched murder Bot on
Speaker 3: Apple TV.
Speaker 4: I've watched ten minutes of murder Bot and I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed it, and I want to go back to it,
Speaker 4: but I then somehow got sucked into the pit. So
Speaker 4: I need to go back to murder Bot on your recommendation,
Speaker 4: So I recommend it. I think we're allowed to out
Speaker 4: that we are friends with Cliff Asnes here. It's not
Speaker 4: like it's a secret. I recommended it to Cliff. He
Speaker 4: loved it, which is a good sign, and I think
Speaker 4: you will like it. Alexander Scarlsguard. I think that you
Speaker 4: say his name right.
Speaker 3: He actually has a really great dry comedic timing pattern
Speaker 3: that you know, it comes out a little bit in
Speaker 3: that succession show, very dry, very Swedish. But I think
Speaker 3: it's really really good. And when your biggest complaint is
Speaker 3: that the episodes are too short, that's a good sign.
Speaker 4: Can I just say that the scars Guard family, this
Speaker 4: is one hell of a family. So Alexander Scarsguard and
Speaker 4: his brother. He has a brother named Bill. Bill played
Speaker 4: nos Faratu in the really superb recent movie version of
Speaker 4: nos s Faratu and played Pennywise the clown in the
Speaker 4: first very scary movie of it and in the second
Speaker 4: terrible sequel to the first movie of it. Very interesting actor.
Speaker 4: And of course their dad is Stellin Scarsguard, who is
Speaker 4: one of the great actors of our time in the
Speaker 4: original movie Insomnia in ten thousand other Things, and and
Speaker 4: or of course, in which he plays luth and Reel
Speaker 4: the what would you call him? He's sort of like
Speaker 4: the spy. He's sort of like the James Jesus Angleton
Speaker 4: of the result. He is the spy Master of the Resistance.
Speaker 4: In the years before the Plans, you know, the before
Speaker 4: Luke Skywalker somehow gets his hands on the plans for
Speaker 4: the Death Star in in R two D two and
Speaker 4: sets off the plot of Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Yes, and you got we should listeners should know that
Speaker 3: you and mac connetty did an excellent special episode the
Speaker 3: Conjurerary Podcast doing a very deep dive into and Or,
Speaker 3: which I agreed with you guys. I think and Or
Speaker 3: was the best. I would say it's the best television
Speaker 3: in a long time, but it was the best television
Speaker 3: built out of a bad television premise, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Yes, I know would say that. I mean
Speaker 3: because some of the you know, some of the Star
Speaker 3: Wars stuff is fine, some of it's bad, but like,
Speaker 3: to get that level of excellence with that background material
Speaker 3: was really, really, really impressive. I would argue the only
Speaker 3: thing that was more impressive, which started with better base material,
Speaker 3: was better Call Saul. The ability to make a sequel
Speaker 3: of a much loved, very carefully crafted drama using it
Speaker 3: without it being derivative, making it feel original but also
Speaker 3: tied to the original stuff was really really impressive, I thought.
Speaker 4: But Andre's yeah, I mean, And what people should understand
Speaker 4: about and Or is that is that it is a
Speaker 4: It is a political thriller about about how it's kind
Speaker 4: of three Days of the Condor in right, in Star Wars,
Speaker 4: Star Wars, in the Star Wars universe. So it's hard
Speaker 4: to it's hard to explain how bizarrely sophisticated it is
Speaker 4: compared to everything else in Star Wars, which is glorious,
Speaker 4: some of it, I mean, really the first two movies
Speaker 4: and the the rest is garbage, But I mean the
Speaker 4: is it the sophistication of the plotting of and Or,
Speaker 4: which is about how how how a resistance forms against
Speaker 4: a crumbling system that is being overtaken from within by
Speaker 4: a you know, by a dictatorial tyrant in the form
Speaker 4: of the Emperor is uh. I don't know, I've ever
Speaker 4: seen anything like it before. It's almost like it's almost
Speaker 4: like you would take a you know, you take a
Speaker 4: book for children, and then you would write Machiavelli's The
Speaker 4: Prints based on it or something like that. It's it's
Speaker 4: a degree of difficulty that it's a little hard to
Speaker 4: it's a little hard to explain. And then also it
Speaker 4: was and Or. The second season of and Or is,
Speaker 4: as a matter of structure, incredibly sophisticated. It's essentially three
Speaker 4: or four three hour movies or four three hour chunks
Speaker 4: of plot, each of each chunk taking a yeat, taking
Speaker 4: place a year apart, and so as a result, there's
Speaker 4: so little exposition. So it's like science fiction always dies
Speaker 4: with exposition in my experience. So it's like, first you
Speaker 4: get what it's like in this year, and then it
Speaker 4: ahead to the next year, and then you have to
Speaker 4: piece together what happened in the intervening eight months that
Speaker 4: you didn't see, and then you do it again, and
Speaker 4: then you do it again, and so you don't actually
Speaker 4: have the well since the last time we were together,
Speaker 4: don't get this apartment to hide.
Speaker 3: And ironically, you don't get the most Arguably, other than
Speaker 3: the Death Star and Lightsabers, the most iconic thing from
Speaker 3: the Star Wars franchise is the scroll of text at
Speaker 3: the beginning of the movies, which is kind of funny
Speaker 3: when you think about it, because that's what you kind
Speaker 3: of want between these episodes. Here's what's happened since the
Speaker 3: last episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has been a dark day for and Or.
Speaker 4: He trapped in an apartment and Coruscant with his beloved.
Speaker 4: He is going stir crazy. Yeah, they don't do that anyway.
Speaker 4: It's a very remarkable thing and it's a very interesting
Speaker 4: use of television. And the interesting thing is, well, the
Speaker 4: first season did not do very well in the ratings
Speaker 4: and was an incredibly expensive The second season was even
Speaker 4: more expensive and has proved to be an absolute rating sensation.
Speaker 4: Like it's a huge hit.
Speaker 3: And you say rating, I mean, like, what what does
Speaker 3: ratings mean on streaming on Apple TV?
Speaker 4: It's number. It's not Apple TV, it's Disney, so it
Speaker 4: is it's a number of hours watched. And so they
Speaker 4: they have all these firms now that somehow measure how
Speaker 4: many hours in aggregate something is watched, and sometimes the
Speaker 4: streaming services release those numbers, and sometimes they don't. So
Speaker 4: we know, for example that you know, there are shows
Speaker 4: that do shockingly well that you've never heard of, like
Speaker 4: Ginny and Georgia, and then there are shows that get
Speaker 4: enormous amounts of attention that I'm trying to think of
Speaker 4: what that like that don't rate at all.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like Girls in the Older.
Speaker 4: Right example, or mad Men, which nobody watched. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: so yeah, go ahead, no, that's okay.
Speaker 3: So since we're just it's like we're running with the
Speaker 3: ball here with pop culture because probs, now, have you
Speaker 3: seen twenty eight years later.
Speaker 4: You know what I haven't yet. I did see F one,
Speaker 4: so I can talk about F one, So I like
Speaker 4: twenty eight days and twenty eight weeks later though, Like,
Speaker 4: as you know, I'm not a big fan of the
Speaker 4: zombie thing, but I like Danny Boyle the director. So
Speaker 4: were you a fan?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I love the first one. I think the
Speaker 3: first one was actually pretty impressive, you know, iconic filmmaking.
Speaker 3: The second one it's like, remember that piece I did
Speaker 3: for you about Battlestarta sar Galactica. I feel like twenty
Speaker 3: eight weeks later suffered from the similar thing where they
Speaker 3: had to make it about the Iraq War and London
Speaker 3: becomes the green Zone, and it's it's a classic example
Speaker 3: of not thinking through your metaphors, because according to this
Speaker 3: then the Iraqis are the civilization destroying zombies, which is
Speaker 3: not like the argument that he kind of wanted to make,
Speaker 3: and so I thought it kind of failed on those purposes.
Speaker 3: Twenty eight years later is some interesting filmmaking. I should
Speaker 3: be very clear. My wife hated it with a blinding passion.
Speaker 3: My daughter liked it, and I really liked it. But
Speaker 3: it is a really British movie, and I'm kind of
Speaker 3: eager to read some British reviews of it because it
Speaker 3: plays on a lot of it's less a zombie movie
Speaker 3: than an English movie. It's really kind of interesting. And
Speaker 3: I could also do without the excessive male frontal nudity.
Speaker 3: I mean, all the frontal nudity is bothersome to me
Speaker 3: in this because it's it's grubby, dirty zombie frontal nudity,
Speaker 3: which is not you know, it's not my metier. But
Speaker 3: one of the things that this is not really a
Speaker 3: huge spoiler since twenty eight years later the way, because
Speaker 3: in the first two movies, the whole premise was if
Speaker 3: you can make it like a week, the zombie virus
Speaker 3: would die out because all the zombies would starve to
Speaker 3: death because they're not really zombies, they're not undead, they
Speaker 3: just have this crazy virus. So to make it last
Speaker 3: twenty eight years, you have to they have to have
Speaker 3: mutated somewhat, and one of the mutations is you get
Speaker 3: these smarter, stronger, faster alpha zombies and they're very y large,
Speaker 3: and they're very very as they would say, well endowed,
Speaker 3: and you get exposed to a lot of of zombie Schlongs,
Speaker 3: which I if I saw it alone I wouldn't love,
Speaker 3: but seeing it with my wife and daughter, I particularly didn't,
Speaker 3: you know, appreciate.
Speaker 4: So this negativity about zombie Schlanngs. I'm sorry, I find,
Speaker 4: I find, I find, I find. You know, you're that's
Speaker 4: very calm, stockish.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would just say, you know, like like humanocentric and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, So basically what I what I I
Speaker 4: went to see F one. So F one is this
Speaker 4: multi zillion dollar Brad Pitt movie about Formula one car racing,
Speaker 4: in which they invented new cameras and they did they
Speaker 4: they they worked with Formula one and they were able
Speaker 4: to do this and Brad Pitt and his co star
Speaker 4: drove the cars during the Formula one races and you
Speaker 4: can see you can tell that it's them, according to
Speaker 4: what I read, and so you could you can't tell
Speaker 4: it to them. They're wearing helmets, it could you have
Speaker 4: no idea what you could just be a stunt man.
Speaker 4: That doesn't matter that they're driving the cars or not.
Speaker 4: And I thought it was kind of boring, and then
Speaker 4: I had this flash of revelation, which is that if
Speaker 4: you want to see a movie about good that has
Speaker 4: really good car racing sequences, you know what you want
Speaker 4: to see Pixar cars. Those were some hell of a
Speaker 4: car race car racing thing and sensationally good when when
Speaker 4: lightning with Queen ends up racing, and so I'm very
Speaker 4: enthusiastic about that. Compared to F one, all right, I
Speaker 4: got nothing. I've never been interested in Formula one. I'm
Speaker 4: not really interested in NASCAR either, And I have this
Speaker 4: natural could be completely unfair. It's based on a handful
Speaker 4: of anecdotes, but I just assume any promotion of Formula
Speaker 4: one is paid for by like Katari Middle Eastern interests
Speaker 4: who have some sort of back end deal, has to
Speaker 4: be a placement of something, you know. According to this movie,
Speaker 4: Brad Pitt goes to work for a team on f
Speaker 4: on on an F one that has lost three hundred
Speaker 4: million dollars in the current F one season, and there
Speaker 4: are I think ten teams in Formula one, and so
Speaker 4: if that's the case, then they're spending like one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty million dollars each on these two cars that
Speaker 4: they make, and so it's a huge business. It's like
Speaker 4: a huge sport and a huge business and it's so boring, Like,
Speaker 4: what the hell, why does anybody want to watch this?
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Speaker 4: slash and whole life. I've never understood this. Rob Long
Speaker 4: has returned.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 4: Let's see if he can stick around lights and everything,
Speaker 4: all right, Rob, So Rob, we've been talking about f one,
Speaker 4: which I didn't like. Jonah liked twenty eight years later.
Speaker 4: I like the pit, Jonah likes murder Bot. That's where
Speaker 4: we are. I'm not going to ask you what you
Speaker 4: like that you're watching, because you're probably not watching anything.
Speaker 4: So I think we should transition to the biggest cultural
Speaker 4: question of our time, which is how angry or not
Speaker 4: angry were you made? Or were what is anybody being made?
Speaker 4: By The New York Times list of the top one
Speaker 4: hundred movies of the twenty first century, as determined by
Speaker 4: a panel of five hundred celebrities and some other people
Speaker 4: and all of that, and I will just hand you
Speaker 4: my list of the top one hundred movies of the
Speaker 4: twenty first century. Number one, The Lives of Others, the
Speaker 4: two thousand and six, a German movie about the Astasi
Speaker 4: agent and the person whom he is tracking, and number
Speaker 4: two to one hundred. Eh, that's my list of the
Speaker 4: top one hundred movies of the twenty first century. However,
Speaker 4: I will say Jonah was talking about how twenty eight
Speaker 4: Years Later is a very British movie, and uh, they're
Speaker 4: one of the movies in the top twenty is Children
Speaker 4: of Men, and I want to talk quickly about Children Men. Okay,
Speaker 4: here's why I want to talk about Children Men Children
Speaker 4: Men made in two thousand and six by Alfonso Quoro
Speaker 4: and the Mexican director, set in a Britain, in a
Speaker 4: world in which no one in which no one has
Speaker 4: had children. No one has children, The last child was
Speaker 4: born eighteen year the human race is dying out, and it's.
Speaker 5: Right right the novelist, What do you want to say
Speaker 5: about it?
Speaker 4: Here's what I want to say about it. So it's
Speaker 4: a dystopian right wing novel about abortion, a metaphor for
Speaker 4: abortion and how abortion is going to kill off the
Speaker 4: human rights. That is what P. D. James, the writer
Speaker 4: means intended. That's what the book is about. It's about
Speaker 4: euthanasia and abortion and the evils thereof very religious allegorical theme.
Speaker 4: Alfonso qauaand makes what is one of the best directed
Speaker 4: movies ever made, with car chase scenes you cannot believe
Speaker 4: and with a level of visual gorgeousness that is just
Speaker 4: beyond belief. And he turns this into a story about
Speaker 4: the evils of people who don't believe in unrestricted immigration.
Speaker 4: That is what Children of Men is about. And according
Speaker 4: to this movie, Children of Men the number eighteen movie
Speaker 4: on the list or something. In a world in which
Speaker 4: no one's been born for eighteen years, suddenly somebody is pregnant.
Speaker 4: But it turns out that the person who is pregnant
Speaker 4: is an the legal alien to England. And so what
Speaker 4: do the authorities in England want to do when there
Speaker 4: is a miracle a birth, the first birth, therefore the
Speaker 4: human race will be saved. They have to kill her.
Speaker 4: They want to kill her because she is an illegal
Speaker 4: alien and she can't be the one to have a baby,
Speaker 4: so they'd rather have the entire human race die off
Speaker 4: than let her live, which is so a psychotic plot
Speaker 4: and kind of ruins the whole. It's like, what, like,
Speaker 4: what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. I thought I see your point.
Speaker 1: To me, it feels more like that book Camp of
Speaker 1: the Saints, because obviously Europe has been destroyed by decades
Speaker 1: of sort of lackluster enforcement of immigration rules and a
Speaker 1: giant wave of immigrants to not only to Europe but also,
Speaker 1: I mean to you, not only to England, which where
Speaker 1: its set, but also to like Europe. There's a whole
Speaker 1: there's a whole subplot about people trying to save the
Speaker 1: great works of Western art because they were being destroyed
Speaker 1: in Rome and places like that. So it's a little
Speaker 1: more complicated than that seems to me. Although I can't,
Speaker 1: I just remember there was. I just remember it as
Speaker 1: an astonishing, the great movie, incredibly great stuff in it,
Speaker 1: and I think, actually I would say, if you want
Speaker 1: to go back to twenty eight days later, twenty eight
Speaker 1: weeks later, I haven't seen the twenty eight years later,
Speaker 1: twenty eight weeks or twenty eight months.
Speaker 5: What it san was the middle one.
Speaker 1: What I liked about that was that the Great villain
Speaker 1: or the person who blew it. Right, they had sort
Speaker 1: of contained this virus on the island, and the person
Speaker 1: who blew it was the person who showed mercy, momentary mercy,
Speaker 1: who momentarily did a human thing and said, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not suppos I'm supposed to shoot you, but I'll.
Speaker 5: Let you in.
Speaker 1: And that was the beginning of the end, at beginning
Speaker 1: of the that was the second beginning of the second end.
Speaker 1: So I just, I mean, I just think that's really
Speaker 1: that was really clever and wise, and.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed it. But what's the.
Speaker 1: Most depressing thing about what you're saying to me is,
Speaker 1: of all of the things you've said that have depressed me,
Speaker 1: the most depressing thing you've said to me is that
Speaker 1: The Lives of Others was one of your number one
Speaker 1: movies for the twenty first century, because it just seems
Speaker 1: like it was such a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I know that thing freaks me out too.
Speaker 5: And now you're telling me that it's.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know whether that makes me feel
Speaker 1: really really old or just kind of out of touch
Speaker 1: or both.
Speaker 5: It was twenty way.
Speaker 4: Years ago, was released twenty years ago. That's or nineteen
Speaker 4: years ago, So it is kind of kind of amazing.
Speaker 4: But if you consider what has gone on in the
Speaker 4: world of filmmaking and this list, actually, if you guys
Speaker 4: want to listeners, want to go look, just go look
Speaker 4: at the list, and you will see the ways in
Speaker 4: which the cinema, as the dominant form of the twenty
Speaker 4: the dominant cultural form of the twentieth century, has ceased
Speaker 4: being the dominant cultural film in the twenty first because
Speaker 4: these hundred movies, half of them aren't very good. Half
Speaker 4: of them are chosen for, you know, obvious political reasons.
Speaker 4: But whatever they are, they are small, they are unambitious.
Speaker 5: There you don't have to have seen them. I mean
Speaker 5: you don't. I mean you don't have to have seen it.
Speaker 1: You had to see close accounts of the third kind,
Speaker 1: whether you liked it or you didn't like it, you
Speaker 1: saw it. But these, like you know, you don't have
Speaker 1: to see these movies. There's still I mean, the problem
Speaker 1: with the entertainment business in general is that they made
Speaker 1: more product, and they made more of everything, except there's
Speaker 1: still the same number of hours in the day. You
Speaker 1: still got to sleep and eat and like not watch something.
Speaker 1: There's a period of time when you're not watching something.
Speaker 1: It's crept into the working hours because I think most
Speaker 1: people spend a good third of their day at work
Speaker 1: watching YouTube videos and TikTok videos. But that just eats
Speaker 1: inndy of the time, and so you know, we I
Speaker 1: was arguing with a friend of mine saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: with a great internet move was that they monetized nine
Speaker 1: to five. There was a time when nine to five
Speaker 1: you were kind of out of touch, like you couldn't
Speaker 1: if you would walk through your office and people were
Speaker 1: sitting there reading magazines, you'd be like, you find But
Speaker 1: if you walk through office down, everybody's kind of on
Speaker 1: the web. It's like the kind of typing a thing
Speaker 1: it doesn't like you don't that's actually considered fine.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like that Netflix Netflix. Remember the Netflix executive
Speaker 3: who said that they consider their real competition sleep. You know,
Speaker 3: like it's kind of creepy and scary, but they have point.
Speaker 3: I guess say, I kind of disgrace. I think both
Speaker 3: of you guys are being a little too dyspeptic about
Speaker 3: this list. I mean, I agree there's some the list
Speaker 3: rank rankings almost always terrible, particularly when The New York
Speaker 3: Times does rankings, but there's some comparison. But like Mad
Speaker 3: Max Fury Road is a great movie. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: once upon a time in Hollywood it was a great
Speaker 3: movie in Glorious Bastards. I have a soft spot for it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: There there are a bunch of like legitimate, like good
Speaker 3: movies on here, and you know, like the Coen Brothers,
Speaker 3: A big chunk of their work is been in the
Speaker 3: last twenty five years. And I think the Cohen Brothers
Speaker 3: are great, you know, uh, you do get the sense
Speaker 3: that the curation of this list is is you know,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, Camel's course made by committee kind of vibe.
Speaker 3: But there's you know, like A Dark Knight I think
Speaker 3: is a great movie.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not saying otherwise.
Speaker 3: It's a big movie and people feel like that.
Speaker 1: I would say, but I think John's correct in the
Speaker 1: sense that I think that there has been a little
Speaker 1: bit of loss of losing their way because there you know,
Speaker 1: there's just so much extra competition. But I would say
Speaker 1: the bell Weather, the bell Weather, I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: of this is my my new theory. I'm working on
Speaker 1: the bell Weather for whether there's going to be a
Speaker 1: future here or not.
Speaker 5: For mass show business, mass entertainment.
Speaker 1: It's whether they can produce in one year three comedies
Speaker 1: in a row, just three.
Speaker 5: Consider they used to pot but you know.
Speaker 1: Really actually generate one a week in the heyday and
Speaker 1: the summer had won a week. Because comedy is this
Speaker 1: thing that you it's pure intuition, You, the audience, and
Speaker 1: the executives. Either they laugh or they don't laugh, and
Speaker 1: the laughter is totally involuntary, and it happens before you
Speaker 1: have a chance to think about it, so you can't
Speaker 1: Actually your brain doesn't work fast enough to say that
Speaker 1: is an offensive statement. I'm not going to laugh at it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've laughed already and then you get angry
Speaker 1: and you made Mostly the anger is because you laughed
Speaker 1: because I tricked you into laughing at this racist joke.
Speaker 1: But that that's be the true I think that's gonna be.
Speaker 5: The that's the the green shoot, that's the uh, you know,
Speaker 5: groundhog day moment. If if if.
Speaker 1: Show business can't do that, then they've lost the thread
Speaker 1: completely because they're now it's not able to do anything
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 5: That everything has to be planned out, and you know.
Speaker 1: Like I always wanted to go into the meeting and
Speaker 1: see the meeting where you know, Will Ferrell pitched Anchorman, Like,
Speaker 1: what was that meeting?
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, if you're the executive, Well.
Speaker 4: Well I know what that meeting was.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 4: It's interesting you mentioned that because I was listening to
Speaker 4: a podcast about Anchorman last week. There's a podcast that
Speaker 4: is also doing like the twenty five best movies of
Speaker 4: the twenty first century, and Anchorman was one that they chose,
Speaker 4: and I was thinking about Anchorman, and Anchorman was interesting
Speaker 4: because you can summarize, and this is also true if
Speaker 4: there's Something about Mary, you can do a log line
Speaker 4: or a summary of the movie that is straight. Right.
Speaker 4: A TV station in San Diego is thrown into chaos
Speaker 4: when it is decided that the all male news team
Speaker 4: has to be integrated with a woman as the co host. Right,
Speaker 4: that's the plot. That is the plot of Anchorman. The
Speaker 4: plot of There's Something About Mary is a man hires
Speaker 4: a private detective to find the girl that he loved
Speaker 4: in high school, and the private detective falls in love
Speaker 4: with her too and wants to win her back. Then
Speaker 4: you take these plots, you take these totally conventional. One
Speaker 4: of them is sort of like a TV is like
Speaker 4: is like a social drama plot and the other is
Speaker 4: like a classic romantic comedy triangle and then you go
Speaker 4: totally bananas.
Speaker 1: But but you don't, But you don't do that in
Speaker 1: the meeting. You just you know, if you're in the meeting,
Speaker 1: you just trust that it's gonna be funny, even though
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that if there was pitch them,
Speaker 1: half these comedies when they pitch them are like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, wait what they all suddenly sing afternoon Delight.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, all the anchormen go and they chop
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. You could have handed in a
Speaker 4: script for Anchorman that was straight and then you improvised
Speaker 4: on top of that.
Speaker 1: Saying you can't do but you can't start improvising until
Speaker 1: you've got the money, right, So what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: the green light of the meeting was based on the
Speaker 1: idea that, well, these are funny people and they have
Speaker 1: kind of a funny idea, and they're going to get
Speaker 1: some of their friends to be in it, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, it seems funny and that or
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you say, I know, I know, I knew
Speaker 1: an executive for a long time when She started every
Speaker 1: meeting by saying, listen, I have no sense of humor whatsoever.
Speaker 5: But that was fine because she's like, but you do,
Speaker 5: so you just do the funny thing.
Speaker 4: And it is amazing that until twenty eleven or twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: comedy was like horror is now, comedy was the most
Speaker 4: reliable Yeah, box office thing. You made it for relatively
Speaker 4: modest money, and you got five times your return if
Speaker 4: the movie if people liked the movie, so you were
Speaker 4: you were guaranteed of five times your opening weekend or
Speaker 4: your budget if people liked it. And then something happened.
Speaker 4: I think Ferguson happened. I'm not entirely sure what happened.
Speaker 4: Something happened where everybody got scared to.
Speaker 5: Make everybody got scared. And the problem is that if
Speaker 5: you get the hang Out.
Speaker 4: The Hangover made Hangover, which is again a comedy that
Speaker 4: sounds like a it sounds like a thriller, right, it's
Speaker 4: what happened to the group, Yeah, what happened to the group.
Speaker 4: The groom is missing. The groom is gone, and the
Speaker 4: ring is gone, right, and that's the the and it
Speaker 4: was filmed that way, and then it's a crazy comedy right,
Speaker 4: So the hangover was huge. They made two sequels, they
Speaker 4: both made a huge amount of money, and then the
Speaker 4: entire business collapsed like a house of cards. I don't
Speaker 4: even know when the last big multi you know, unless
Speaker 4: unless you say, like Deadpool is a superhero? Is a
Speaker 4: movie like that in the is a Farley Brothers or
Speaker 4: one of those in the Guys of a Superhero movie?
Speaker 4: But okay, so that's stopped.
Speaker 3: I think the according to Cannon on this podcast, is
Speaker 3: the last great movie you can't you can't, you're not
Speaker 3: allowed to make was Tropic Thunder.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah you can't. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: you can even. I think you're I think you're in
Speaker 1: trouble for even mentioning.
Speaker 4: You couldn't even go to a You couldn't mention it
Speaker 4: in a meeting, right, you couldn't mention.
Speaker 5: You And yet and yet you can't hear this.
Speaker 3: This is my It's a fantastic movie.
Speaker 5: It's a fantastic movie. This is my problem.
Speaker 1: Jack Black is tied up and he's making all sorts
Speaker 1: of promises to die, just get some arrow, and it
Speaker 1: is so great. Uh, but I guess you can't say
Speaker 1: those things in Hollywood. But that is all over TikTok,
Speaker 1: it is all over Instagram reels. There are funny people
Speaker 1: who are making huge, huge, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to make a lot of money. They get huge
Speaker 1: audiences because they are absolutely one hundred percent willing to
Speaker 1: swing with a fence content wise.
Speaker 4: Now, can I talk about something that you and I
Speaker 4: both admired and I admired to my absolute shock, But
Speaker 4: it speaks to your idea that the thing about commentary
Speaker 4: is that there's no faking. It's involuntary comedy comedy.
Speaker 1: I'm not comedy, not commentary in the spell Burn Coast.
Speaker 4: No, I'm I'm trying to do product placements.
Speaker 5: O great, okay, tasting copper lights out, go ahead, okay,
Speaker 5: go ahead, okay.
Speaker 4: Comedy is involuntary, and then you laugh. There's no way
Speaker 4: to stop you from now. So I have two stories.
Speaker 4: One story is about there's something about Mary. In nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety eight, I went to the News Corp Senior Retreat
Speaker 4: in Sun Valley, Idaho, by one place close to Aspen
Speaker 4: that I've ever been, News corpor treat led by Peter Sherman,
Speaker 4: then the number two person at Fox and the higher executive,
Speaker 4: and I was then an executive at news Corp. Because
Speaker 4: I was at the Weekly Standard or nineteen ten ninety seven,
Speaker 4: I can't remember what year it was. And it was
Speaker 4: an amazing experience, like three days lavish, you know, panel
Speaker 4: discussions and this and then and then one they said, okay, everybody,
Speaker 4: go to the movie theater at Sun Valley. We're going
Speaker 4: to show you a movie that's going to open in
Speaker 4: three months. And then this movie starts and there's Ben
Speaker 4: Stiller and he's in a tuxedo and he's going to
Speaker 4: his prom and then he zips out. He goes to
Speaker 4: the bathroom, and then he zips up his he zips
Speaker 4: up his pants and Schlong gets caught in the zipper
Speaker 4: when he screams, and the entire executive core of News
Speaker 4: Corps screamed with laughter and then spent the next two
Speaker 4: hours screaming with laughter. I hadn't heard of this movie.
Speaker 4: No one had heard of it. No one had had
Speaker 4: you know, nothing. It came out of nowhere, and it
Speaker 4: was kind of a genius thing that Turnon had done
Speaker 4: to sort of say, hey, everybody should be excited about
Speaker 4: what we're doing here at the movie studio. Because that
Speaker 4: was something new. It was something entirely new. It broke
Speaker 4: every boundary and changed the way people made movies for
Speaker 4: fifteen years. There's something about Mary. Okay, I just saw another,
Speaker 4: another thing with the word Mary in it. It's a
Speaker 4: play on Broadway.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, Mary, did you like it?
Speaker 4: I thought it was one of the funniest things I've ever.
Speaker 5: He It is insanely funny.
Speaker 4: But it's exactly eighty minute. Yeah, it's it's eighty minute.
Speaker 4: It's exactly describe it.
Speaker 1: It's a ninety minute, no no intermission, crazy farce in
Speaker 1: which a guy named Cola Scola, who's actually really really
Speaker 1: funny if you look him up, He's did some really
Speaker 1: great like YouTube stuff.
Speaker 5: He plays Mary. Todd Lincoln.
Speaker 4: He wrote it right, he wrote he wrote, he wrote it.
Speaker 4: I didn't see a minute. He's not in it now,
Speaker 4: so I can say that it works without me.
Speaker 1: He was very talking Lincoln, you know, a revision a
Speaker 1: revisionist history, historical view, in which she is a drunk,
Speaker 1: frustrated cabaret singer married to a struggling and deeply deeply
Speaker 1: closeted gay President Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 4: Not that closetive.
Speaker 5: Well, me and the place is pretty funny.
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a new way of looking at
Speaker 1: the events at Ford Theater.
Speaker 5: I'll just leave it at that about.
Speaker 1: But it's noisy and loud, and it starts at like
Speaker 1: at like ninety thousand miles an hour, and people are
Speaker 1: acting like, oh my god, this is the most most
Speaker 1: amazing thing in Broadway ever. It was really funny. Here's
Speaker 1: what it was. It's a Marx Brothers play. It's just
Speaker 1: a big, loud, noisy, kind of dumb but hilarious, right.
Speaker 1: And there's one running gag in which he keeps saying
Speaker 1: there's a war on and she looks at him. She
Speaker 1: was but between against who who with yeah, and it's.
Speaker 4: And he says he says the south and she says
Speaker 4: south of where It's like anyway. It is stupid, and
Speaker 4: it's deliberately stupid, and it is a crazy yeah, Barce
Speaker 4: and you. I didn't want to see it because I
Speaker 4: thought it was going to be woke. It's like, there's
Speaker 4: a time Lincoln and there's a drag queen playing Mary
Speaker 4: Todd Lincoln, and the whole thing is just going to
Speaker 4: be some kind of a message without a message. There
Speaker 4: is no message.
Speaker 5: There's no message.
Speaker 1: The play when I saw who originated the role played
Speaker 1: Lincoln Conrad Rick Moro does this thing where he is
Speaker 1: trying he is a big monolog where he's swearing off
Speaker 1: any sort of gay desire or activity, and he's like
Speaker 1: he kind of is like a mind piece where he's
Speaker 1: like saying no more. Physic like he kind of mime's
Speaker 1: putting it in a box and then locking it away
Speaker 1: and then putting the box away on a shelf, and
Speaker 1: he does it so great. I haven't seen a physical
Speaker 1: comedy like that a long time. It's really really funny.
Speaker 1: And of course, at any given moment, all of those
Speaker 1: people would be in sitcoms that you know, you watch
Speaker 1: sitcoms from the seventies and they're all these Broadway actors
Speaker 1: inappropriately cast.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, it's like the idea that.
Speaker 1: Hal Linden played a detective was like ridiculous, but it
Speaker 1: was the seventies and.
Speaker 5: And you know, I Hindy Winkler could play a cool.
Speaker 4: Agree with that at all. How Linden struck me very
Speaker 4: much as like a bronx guy who Jewish precinct.
Speaker 5: Why I'm a must to investigate this crisch what it was.
Speaker 5: I mean that show was good, but it was like,
Speaker 5: come on, just like.
Speaker 4: His name was how ellipsips.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Well, I went to I went to element to middle
Speaker 4: school with his daughter Amelia, So you how Linden out
Speaker 4: of your goddamn mouth.
Speaker 3: I went to grade school with Barbara Barry, who played
Speaker 3: Barney Miller's wife, Uh, with.
Speaker 4: Her son, with her son Aaron Harnick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then and then I was on Judith Reagan's
Speaker 4: Fox talk show with Barbara Barry. It was a supporter
Speaker 4: of Clinton's impeachment on the grounds that Clinton did wrong
Speaker 4: in the Oval was very did not behave properly in
Speaker 4: the Oval office. Wow, Barbara Barry, missus missus uh, missus
Speaker 4: Barney Miller.
Speaker 5: I know that we went.
Speaker 1: Can I just I want to I've been traveling. I
Speaker 1: just want to change the subject by can briefly yes, because.
Speaker 5: I want to get you. I want to get your
Speaker 5: thoughts here.
Speaker 1: I was traveling around and I was in Egypt, uh,
Speaker 1: and I discuss I was in Cairo, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to go to Alexandria, and the Egyptian economy is terrible,
Speaker 1: especially against the dollars, is terrible.
Speaker 5: So I say, oh, how do the one.
Speaker 1: So I go to the hotel concierge and I say,
Speaker 1: how much would it be to hire a car to
Speaker 1: drive me from Cairo to Alexandria.
Speaker 5: It's about a two and a half hour drive.
Speaker 1: And she does a little whatever it's round because it'll
Speaker 1: be about five hundred US dollars. I said, okay, thank
Speaker 1: that that's a little more than I want to spend. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I go and I sit for a minute, I
Speaker 1: have a cup of coffee, and then I'm with my gods.
Speaker 1: And then he says, want me to check uber? How
Speaker 1: much would it be on uber? So we check uber
Speaker 1: forty bucks? So obviously we choose the Uber. But I'm
Speaker 1: not feeling like, well, you know, I don't want.
Speaker 5: To be just a.
Speaker 1: Jerk about this. So I thought, here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna dig the uber and we're gonna give him
Speaker 1: a tip on Uber. But I'm also gonna give him
Speaker 1: another tip in cash equal to the price of the ride.
Speaker 1: So another forty dollars, right, And I felt really good
Speaker 1: about that, except, of course it was only forty dollars.
Speaker 1: He's it's still ridiculously low, and I just didn't quite
Speaker 1: know how to navigate my my my love of a
Speaker 1: good deal, and also my feeling like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: really you know. I mean, the guy's gonna drive for
Speaker 1: two and a half hours one way into a half hour.
Speaker 5: It's a five hour day for him, no matter how
Speaker 5: he looks at it. I think eighty bucks.
Speaker 4: You're saying, you're saying it would have been cultural appropriation
Speaker 4: to give him the forty dollars tip.
Speaker 5: No, No, I don't.
Speaker 3: What's the moral dilemma?
Speaker 5: Yeah, should shouldn't have been more?
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was really trying to solve that problem,
Speaker 1: would I want to, like, well, like if I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: well in America, give.
Speaker 4: Him a hundred gave a hundred percent tip, like that
Speaker 4: that's the best day he's ever had.
Speaker 3: I mean, the moral of this story is that the
Speaker 3: hotel you were staying in is price gouging its Western cians,
Speaker 3: not that you think.
Speaker 4: Do you think that that driver is getting five hundred dollars?
Speaker 5: Oh no, No, the.
Speaker 4: Person the desk clerk is getting two hundred and fifty dollars, right,
Speaker 4: and the dispatcher is getting one hundred and fifty dollars,
Speaker 4: and the driver is getting forty dollars and then the
Speaker 4: I don't know, somebody else is getting sixty dollars. So
Speaker 4: that's you see that I did math there on the future.
Speaker 4: A very impressed there, Okay, I I don't see that
Speaker 4: as a as a dilemma as a dilemma dilemma. By
Speaker 4: the way, just just to let you know, Jonah got
Speaker 4: a muffin this morning at an Aspen that costs five
Speaker 4: hundred dollars and we should have given them forty dollars.
Speaker 5: Sure, and since what see what they did, one of
Speaker 5: the smuffets could drive you to Alexandria.
Speaker 3: What So speaking of driving, just so you guys know,
Speaker 3: I am we never had an EV, but we my
Speaker 3: wife and I have never driven an EV before, and
Speaker 3: since we were going on the strip and it was
Speaker 3: easier to fly into Denver, we rented an EV. And
Speaker 3: long story short.
Speaker 4: You ran out of a battery.
Speaker 3: We think Avis screwed us by telling us the battery
Speaker 3: was fully charged and with one hundred miles left in
Speaker 3: the Colorado Mountains, the car said, you have you're at
Speaker 3: fifteen percent battery, find a battery right away. And it
Speaker 3: was a very frustrating, annoying process.
Speaker 4: So everybody, I know that I know who has had
Speaker 4: a fully battery charged car has some story. Not that
Speaker 4: we all haven't run out of gas. Sure, Like I
Speaker 4: ran out of gas the first year I owned a car.
Speaker 4: I ran out of gas twice. I was eighteen years old,
Speaker 4: So I deserved what I got, like in Chicago and
Speaker 4: all of that. So I'm not I'm not judging, but
Speaker 4: people do say, like this is ridiculous, like that they don't.
Speaker 4: It's like your computer, it doesn't hold the charge it
Speaker 4: claims to hold. Also, like you know, how you're on
Speaker 4: your computer and it says it's like seventy percent and
Speaker 4: then you like type for fifteen minutes and you look
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, it's an eight percent. What the
Speaker 4: hell happened? So I called.
Speaker 3: I called friends of mine who have Tesla's and they
Speaker 3: said that part of the problem is like Tesla would
Speaker 3: never allow you not to know how much battery you
Speaker 3: have left. But like this Kia Nyro, whatever the thing
Speaker 3: it was like I don't know if it's Avis's screw
Speaker 3: up or whatever, but like no one told us like
Speaker 3: where the setting is and it's not obvious anywhere on
Speaker 3: the dash, and so we didn't know. We took their
Speaker 3: word for it when they said it was fully charged.
Speaker 3: And then so we find a place to charge it
Speaker 3: this sort of close to the summer ski resort, you know,
Speaker 3: and plug it in and we don't know anything about
Speaker 3: the plucking thing, and it's charging, and then we look
Speaker 3: at the dash and the thing says you'll be fully
Speaker 3: charged in forty four hours, which we found pretty inconvenient. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: some nice lady said no, no, no, no, you gotta go
Speaker 3: to a paid charging station. Go to the Walmart in Frisco,
Speaker 3: plug in and you can get charge. We did twenty
Speaker 3: five bucks for took us forty minutes to get to
Speaker 3: eighty percent. So there you go.
Speaker 1: Another anecdote, evy anecdote. A friend of mine had dinner
Speaker 1: with an old friend of mine who's a started the
Speaker 1: kind of an audio engineering he's part of an are
Speaker 1: you engineering company that just started here in New York,
Speaker 1: and hit one of his partner, actually's boss has a
Speaker 1: cyber truck and they use it to take the stuff around.
Speaker 1: And so she left the country said, look, just drive
Speaker 1: it cyber truck around when you when you're taking you know,
Speaker 1: your the load in the equipment and everything, and just
Speaker 1: you know, just just keep it and you can just
Speaker 1: park it. And so he's you know, he lives in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and he's driving around and it's that he can
Speaker 1: see that he's running out of juice somehow, and uh,
Speaker 1: and he's now he's really, really, really parent and freaking out.
Speaker 1: He finally finds a place to park and he parks it,
Speaker 1: and the next day he comes to get it and
Speaker 1: it's covered in what is clearly dried spit.
Speaker 5: Or worse.
Speaker 4: Because of Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then he gets in the car and he's
Speaker 1: trying to park it in the parking lot by the office,
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, there'll be one hundred fifty dollars
Speaker 1: an hour. Well, I think my boss parks it here
Speaker 1: for less, No, no, one hundred fifty dollars an hour. And
Speaker 1: he finally finally parks on the street again. So clearly
Speaker 1: there's a problem in Brooklyn and Manhattan. Probably having a
Speaker 1: cyber truck is is not not a good choice.
Speaker 4: I yes, by the way, before we go, I mentioned
Speaker 4: this at the beginning of the show, But one of
Speaker 4: the most astounding things I've ever listened to is the
Speaker 4: podcast that Ross.
Speaker 3: Down Keep Oh, I tell them listened to this.
Speaker 4: He told me with Peter Thiel, Oh no, and which
Speaker 4: Peter Teal kind of says he is the Antichrist. He's
Speaker 4: been giving speeches on the Antichrist. And then he describes
Speaker 4: essentially salvation, kind of Christian salvation, I guess as a
Speaker 4: form of transhumanism, which strikes me as and I think
Speaker 4: Ross basically said, so are you Are you saying that
Speaker 4: you don't think the human race should still exist? And
Speaker 4: Peter pauses for.
Speaker 7: A uncomfortably long time for he kind of acknowledges that, yes,
Speaker 7: the human race should probably exist.
Speaker 4: You've got to listen to this thing. It is I
Speaker 4: don't even know what to make of it. But the
Speaker 4: other really interesting thing is that he said he had
Speaker 4: had a conversation with Elon Musk three weeks ago. Of
Speaker 4: course they started PayPal together, and that Elon he's very
Speaker 4: disappointed in Elon. He's disappointed in everything. Nothing is working well,
Speaker 4: as you may know, and everything is terrible, and that
Speaker 4: Elon is no longer interested in going to Mars. It
Speaker 4: always ever wanted to go to Mars, but Elon is
Speaker 4: no longer Why because they're just going to get there
Speaker 4: and then it's all going to be woke. Woke. AI
Speaker 4: is going to take over Mars, and he doesn't want
Speaker 4: to go to Mars anymore because it's just going to
Speaker 4: be woke. And I thought to myself, I thought to myself,
Speaker 4: this is really these guys have too much money, and
Speaker 4: having this amount of money and thinking about things like
Speaker 4: going to Mars and whether or not you can live
Speaker 4: forever and that kind of thing is literally driving them insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's also so irritating. All those guys,
Speaker 1: especially those two that you mentioned, feel this idiotic undergraduate
Speaker 1: need to have one big, unified theory about everything that
Speaker 1: is also shocking, and so that you're supposed to go,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that's just shocking camp and that it's
Speaker 1: so incredibly exhausting and tiresome.
Speaker 5: And the irony course is that that especially for Elon.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I pet Peter at now no
Speaker 1: longer has a hedge fund that he ran into the ground.
Speaker 5: But Elon.
Speaker 1: Has lost lost the thread of his companies because he's
Speaker 1: too busy having big thoughts. On Kenemine, none of this
Speaker 1: is necessary. Just you don't have there aren't any big thoughts.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be smart, you don't really have
Speaker 1: to have. You know, you can be smarter one thing
Speaker 1: and not have to have any any skills in anything else.
Speaker 1: It's as stupid as if Peter thiels something he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm also an opera singer, So AWESO can
Speaker 1: I can?
Speaker 3: I just put forward a thesis and you guys can
Speaker 3: read or disagree. I'm going to just stipulate. I'm going
Speaker 3: to assert with a high degree of confidence, based solely
Speaker 3: on my reading of like the Red Mars book and
Speaker 3: watching the movie The Martian. Okay, that the first let's
Speaker 3: say ten years on Mars are going to be difficult.
Speaker 3: They're going to be stressful, they're going to be set backs. Sure,
Speaker 3: And just as there are no atheists in Foxholes, I
Speaker 3: am deeply skeptical that wokeness would play an important and
Speaker 3: distracting role as people are trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: to survive on a planet that does not have an
Speaker 3: atmosphere conducive to human life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think I think there a lot of
Speaker 1: people would go to Mars specifically because there is no
Speaker 1: woke there.
Speaker 4: Well, that was what Elon was kind of saying, and
Speaker 4: then his experience in government has now led him to
Speaker 4: believe that there's no avoiding it, you see, So he's out.
Speaker 4: Someone else can go to Mars. Now. I also want
Speaker 4: to talk about the other theme of this podcast of
Speaker 4: Teal and Ross Douth, and so Ross Douth that, as
Speaker 4: you know, is a is a originator of the idea
Speaker 4: that we now live in a decadent society, by which
Speaker 4: he is not speaking about moral decadence, but rather the
Speaker 4: fact that the culture has become uninventive, or has become
Speaker 4: regressively invented. It invents nothing, It simply regurgitates and makes
Speaker 4: sequels to sequels to sequels, and creates nothing new in
Speaker 4: all of that. And that Teal, of course also said
Speaker 4: they promised us flying famously said they promised us flying cars,
Speaker 4: and we got one hundred and forty characters. Right, We've
Speaker 4: got Twitter instead of flying cars. And I think that
Speaker 4: both of these theories are I mean, Ross is kind
Speaker 4: of interesting. And I myself said, I think, you know,
Speaker 4: movies no longer have the standing that they used to,
Speaker 4: and obviously people don't read great books, maybe the way
Speaker 4: they use it's hard to know. But the idea that
Speaker 4: we are an uninventive world, or that this the last
Speaker 4: twenty five years have been tech know logically stagnant, which,
Speaker 4: of course also Larry Summer said and others have said,
Speaker 4: seems to me so unbelievably psychotic that I can't quite
Speaker 4: wrap my mind around the fact that we are living
Speaker 4: through a period as revolutionary as the Industrial Revolution, and
Speaker 4: leaders of it, intellectual leaders of it, financial leaders of it,
Speaker 4: economic leaders of it, fit thought leaders of it are
Speaker 4: unable to see that fracking and Musks owned SpaceX, and
Speaker 4: the kind of warfare that Israel and America just engaged
Speaker 4: in in taking down Iran and all of that aren't hallmarks,
Speaker 4: along with the fact that it cost you forty dollars
Speaker 4: to call magically call a car to drive you to
Speaker 4: Alexandria on a device that didn't exist seventeen years ago
Speaker 4: in your pocket, and that people think that we're technologically stagnant?
Speaker 4: What the hell is going on? How can they believe this?
Speaker 4: I don't I'm not a scientist, but I mean, like,
Speaker 4: this is an age of miracles and wonders. So I know.
Speaker 3: The most interesting panel I attended at the Aspen Ideas
Speaker 3: Festival where I am in is uh uh. David Petraeus
Speaker 3: and this woman and New Newburger used to be at
Speaker 3: the who was the.
Speaker 4: Head of terrorism at the NSC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and very impressive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first the first Hasidic Jew I believe or
Speaker 4: ultra orthodox jew to be in a high position in government.
Speaker 3: And I looked up. I looked up for bio and
Speaker 3: fun trivia. Her dad was on the plane that was
Speaker 3: hijacked in Entebbe. Wow, isn't that wild? So like BB's
Speaker 3: brother helped rescue her dad. Kind of kind of cool. Anyway,
Speaker 3: Betrayus made this case very persuasively that like we're talking
Speaker 3: about the future of the panels, on the future of war,
Speaker 3: and he says, look, at least going by what's going
Speaker 3: on in Ukraine, tanks are over, Like there's no tank
Speaker 3: that can survive the battle space between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 3: He said, all of the abrams that we sent are
Speaker 3: either completely destroyed or completely disabled, and that you can't
Speaker 3: just can't send tanks in there. You can't even send
Speaker 3: normal military formations. I mean, I know this is not
Speaker 3: the progress that teel. You know, it's not flying cars,
Speaker 3: but like things are changing really friggin fast.
Speaker 1: It's because of little flying devices. I mean, there's flying
Speaker 1: the three dollars. Yeah, decadence seems to me to be
Speaker 1: an example of this kind of short sightedness.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Decadence is when you're like, oh, nothing's happening, I'm so bored. Well,
Speaker 1: where a by flying cars? And that that it's a
Speaker 1: form of ingratitude.
Speaker 5: I think the second thing I would just say is that,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: What we see happening now, especially in technology, is that
Speaker 1: is the product of the digestion of a lot of
Speaker 1: things that were innovated in the past fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 1: So you have to actually there's a lot of capacity
Speaker 1: that that has to find a reason and has to
Speaker 1: find a point and then has to be digested and
Speaker 1: put into something. And sometimes there's are good things, and
Speaker 1: sometimes there's a bad things, or sometimes there's a important things.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they're not.
Speaker 1: But a lot of a lot of these products that
Speaker 1: we use now and we think are like AI is
Speaker 1: simply another way of organizing data, right, But the data
Speaker 1: itself has been being collected for twenty years and been
Speaker 1: sorted and tagged for twenty years. And the third thing
Speaker 1: is like, I can't imagine a worse world than one
Speaker 1: in which there are flying cars.
Speaker 4: Either, I don't want to flying car.
Speaker 5: I don't want to flying car. Most people can't on
Speaker 5: the road. The idea that infinite amount of I know.
Speaker 4: But it's also like an infinite amount of vertical space.
Speaker 4: Like the thing about roads which is good is that
Speaker 4: they is that they eliminate it's just horizontal space. You
Speaker 4: got nothing. The only thing that's a problem with vertical
Speaker 4: space is a tunnel, whether or not you're.
Speaker 1: In a above you who won't move.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the question. Trucks for flying cars to have
Speaker 3: windows that roll down, because otherwise people are going to
Speaker 3: throw stuff out the window, right, and that's a problem.
Speaker 4: I don't know. This is the thing about these guys.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy, like there are these cars driving all
Speaker 4: around Los Angeles that don't have a driver, right. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's not that you want a flying car or you
Speaker 4: want a driverless car. Like I don't understand why Again,
Speaker 4: I get the point, which is that we all got
Speaker 4: this book which showed the Ford dream Car and it
Speaker 4: could fly, and then you could fly. You can fly,
Speaker 4: Go buy a plane if you can afford it. You
Speaker 4: can buy a plane, and also showed you I recommend.
Speaker 1: Button and then a little stick of chewing gun comes
Speaker 1: out and it's roast beef or whatever. Like, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stupid futurism that like it sounds horrible to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just invented a or three years ago that
Speaker 4: is going to solve the obesity problem on the planet
Speaker 4: Earth by figuring out that if we just somehow with
Speaker 4: were able to mass produce the internal secretions of the
Speaker 4: stomach of the Gila monster, that no one will ever
Speaker 4: be fat again. Okay, this is an age of wonders
Speaker 4: and Gillicle.
Speaker 5: Thank God for I can only I think.
Speaker 1: I think the end of these what do they do,
Speaker 1: lipto glue tides, whatever they're called. I think that there's
Speaker 1: going to be something weird that's going to happen to
Speaker 1: everyone who's taken them in twenty five.
Speaker 4: We're all going to become a Gala monster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or it'll be some enormous horn or something. It'll
Speaker 1: be some thing that you'll you'll be oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Take the plot of Iron Legend, you know, the movie
Speaker 4: version of I Am Legend with Will Smith, which came
Speaker 4: up with a very interesting solution to the question of
Speaker 4: how the world becomes zombies, which is that at the
Speaker 4: very beginning, Emma Thompson is a doctor who says, we've
Speaker 4: cured cancer, and so everybody takes this drug to cure cancer.
Speaker 4: Ten years later, everybody is a vampire except for Will Smith.
Speaker 4: It was sort of an interesting you know, but we
Speaker 4: do have the FDA, you know, and I know I
Speaker 4: know you still No, now you're sounding like Robert F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy Junior. Don't take the semi glue, tid you get
Speaker 4: a horn in your head?
Speaker 5: No, no, I'm not. I'm not saying that. I'm saying it.
Speaker 5: You know, like half of.
Speaker 4: The people were had placebos and they didn't and they
Speaker 4: didn't get a horn in their head, and then the
Speaker 4: people who took it didn't get a hold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Rob wasn't here for this earlier conversation, and
Speaker 3: now my wife is in the room and she's gonna
Speaker 3: hear me say these words. But I feel like we
Speaker 3: have to call back to the earlier conversation about zombie schlans, and.
Speaker 4: It's very important zombie schlangs. Yeah, well, the thinner the
Speaker 4: thinner man gets the longer, the larger his schlong appears
Speaker 4: relative to the rest of his body.
Speaker 1: So wait, can you can you just give me a
Speaker 1: quick recat just just I know we have to run,
Speaker 1: but just a quick.
Speaker 4: Years later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife really didn't like that movie. Uh, my
Speaker 3: daughter kind of liked it, and I really like it.
Speaker 3: But one of the things I agree with my wife
Speaker 3: about I could have used a lot less full frontal nudity,
Speaker 3: particularly from the Alpha zombies with their strom thurmoned adjacent
Speaker 3: zombie schlongs. And so that's what we were talking about.
Speaker 4: Okay, Jason, But here's my question to you, Boris talker. Yes,
Speaker 4: what does what does the Milton Burls girl King of the.
Speaker 1: What does the I mean I'm trying to recognizing they
Speaker 1: were in a by the way, since we did the
Speaker 1: one where were the Glock where we.
Speaker 5: Talk about like, I don't know, should keep doing this?
Speaker 1: People have come up to me to tell me kind
Speaker 1: of very emotionally, yeah, you got to keep doing it.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, really because and I guess I guess
Speaker 5: I the.
Speaker 1: Foundational my foundational reason for asking really like that way
Speaker 1: is because of what I'm about to ask, which is
Speaker 1: I'm going to see the movie eventually.
Speaker 5: But what what what is a zombie schlang supposed to do?
Speaker 5: I mean, they don't procreate, right.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's supposed to capture the gaze of the movie audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the male games so so wait, so a zombie
Speaker 1: schlong is like that.
Speaker 5: That's the original sort of butterface right.
Speaker 1: Like way of that, but you know, except for the
Speaker 1: face which is half caved in.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, all.
Speaker 4: Right, pleasure to please say hid Jessica for me? She
Speaker 4: my zoom background. Yes, I know, I know, so wedn't
Speaker 4: have to see her, but I would love to see her.
Speaker 4: And I hope to see her soon. Rob, I hope
Speaker 4: to see you soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, while I'm around.
Speaker 4: Uh and uh and we will. We'll be back in
Speaker 4: July with maybe a different body part that we can
Speaker 4: focus on, different zombie part.
Speaker 8: Well, it's really quite simple.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like.
Speaker 8: Gonna find my baby, gonna hold her tighte, gonna grab
Speaker 8: some afternoon deal. Like my motto has always been, when
Speaker 8: it's right, it's right. While waiting until the middle of
Speaker 8: a cold, dark night, we everything's a little leer in
Speaker 8: the light of day, and we know the night is
Speaker 8: always gonna be any way.
Speaker 4: Taking up.
Speaker 6: He's working on my alber tie, looking forward to a
Speaker 6: little afternoon daylight. Robin Stixon stones together make us Party nine,
Speaker 6: and the thought of loving you is getting so exciting
Speaker 6: sky rockets in flight.
Speaker 8: Afternoon Delight, you guys have it.
Speaker 4: I though, Afternoon Delight.
Speaker 6: You don't know, Ron, that sounds kind of crazy, sounds
Speaker 6: like you have mental problems.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, you got mental problems. Man. Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 8: Man, Afternoon Daylight. I want to make a phone call
Speaker 8: there