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Speaker 4: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 4: all doing? Another week and never Encounter. I'm Nick Hunter
Speaker 4: and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. In this episode,
Speaker 4: Michael all In from California shares a childhood encounter that
Speaker 4: began on a quiet street in Haywood in the mid
Speaker 4: nineteen eighties when an ordinary walk suddenly took an unexpected turn.
Speaker 4: A vortex formed overhead, followed by a sudden blackout. He
Speaker 4: then described standing beneath a craft as blue light flashed
Speaker 4: across the pavement and houses around him. Michael is up next,
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Speaker 4: Now on with the show. Hello Michael, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Hey Nick, thanks for having.
Speaker 4: Me, No, thank you for your company tonight. And you're
Speaker 4: calling in from California.
Speaker 2: That's right, I'm in the Bay Area over here, the.
Speaker 4: Bay Area great stuff. Okay, Michael, you have some experiences
Speaker 4: to share. Would you like to start the beginning please,
Speaker 4: sir Ah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to. I guess it all kind of
Speaker 2: started back in nineteen eighty five in Hayward, California. I
Speaker 2: was twelve years old and I was living two eight
Speaker 2: six three East eleventh Street, and I had just graduated
Speaker 2: Bowman Elementary School and I was looking forward to not
Speaker 2: only my summer, my summer vacation, but I was looking
Speaker 2: forward to going into junior high school, you know. And
Speaker 2: I was living with a Lopez family, Mike, Greg, Robert, Bob,
Speaker 2: and Ellie. They kind of took us in. I was
Speaker 2: actually living across the street from them. We had our
Speaker 2: own house for a couple of years across the street
Speaker 2: from them at two eight eight eight eleventh Street, but
Speaker 2: my mom had to sell that house and we really
Speaker 2: didn't have nowhere to go. But luckily we had some
Speaker 2: really good family like friends that lived across the street,
Speaker 2: the Lopez family, and they took us in. And that's
Speaker 2: where I was living at the time. And I'll take
Speaker 2: you right into it, Nick. Yeah, I remember walking literally
Speaker 2: walking right out that screen door from the house and
Speaker 2: I walked right out into the road there and I
Speaker 2: bumped into my friend named Chano. And normally when I
Speaker 2: go outside and play or whatever, I would normally just
Speaker 2: pick up my friend Francisco that literally lived kind of
Speaker 2: across the street from me, and we would go out
Speaker 2: on adventures all over that neighborhood. It was kind of
Speaker 2: like my childhood neighborhood, you know. And this time I
Speaker 2: ran into my friend Chano. Now Chanto and I didn't
Speaker 2: really hang out like all the time. He wasn't my
Speaker 2: best friend, but it was a schoolmate of mine, and
Speaker 2: that's why I ran into And I have the advantage
Speaker 2: of talking to you as a fifty two year old
Speaker 2: grown man and reflecting on that moment, it was a
Speaker 2: little eerie because there was not much conversation between me
Speaker 2: and Chaanto. It was just a bit of an understanding
Speaker 2: that it was time for a walk around the block.
Speaker 2: Reflecting on that moment now, like I said, it just
Speaker 2: seemed a little eerie. So it bakes the difference if
Speaker 2: it was all kind of meant to be, like it
Speaker 2: was all part of the plan, something that something that
Speaker 2: was planned out by someone else, not us. But as
Speaker 2: a twelve year old boy, didn't think nothing of it.
Speaker 2: I just ran into my friend Chano, and there wasn't
Speaker 2: much discussion. We just decided. We just decided that it
Speaker 2: was time to walk around the block, and that's what
Speaker 2: we did. It had I think it was about July
Speaker 2: July of nineteen eighty five, and I would approximate that
Speaker 2: it was probably like seven to eight pm and it
Speaker 2: was just starting to get dark. I remember that. And
Speaker 2: as we started walking around the block, before we even
Speaker 2: hit the little first hairpin turn of the block, I
Speaker 2: was taking notice to this of the sky. The sky
Speaker 2: was beautiful that night, and you know, there was nothing
Speaker 2: out of the ordinary. I was just really, you know,
Speaker 2: admiring how pretty the clouds looked. They seemed really really white,
Speaker 2: and I figured, you know, oh, it's probably the moon
Speaker 2: just lighting up the clouds. And the clouds also appeared
Speaker 2: to be moving pretty quick. But even at twelve years old,
Speaker 2: I understood that they were pretty low and they may
Speaker 2: have appeared to be moving pretty quick because those clouds
Speaker 2: were pretty low that night, So there was really nothing
Speaker 2: out of the ordinary. I was just admiring the pretty sky.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of misconceptions when people are
Speaker 2: talking about out UFOs or UFO abductions. You know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people picture somebody, you know, getting sucked up
Speaker 2: into some tractor beam, you know who. They're like, Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, I'm getting sucked up into this flying saucer,
Speaker 2: you know. And that's a huge misconception. That's not how
Speaker 2: it happened for me. For me, I was just admiring
Speaker 2: the pretty clouds, and all of a sudden there was
Speaker 2: a section of the clouds that began to swirl. It
Speaker 2: was like a vortex in the clouds. There was a
Speaker 2: couple of thoughts that ram through my mind before I
Speaker 2: totally blacked out. And this is the most confusing part
Speaker 2: of my experience, is this very initial beginning part right here.
Speaker 2: Then I'm explaining about the clouds, because it all started
Speaker 2: for me in the clouds. It wasn't some flying saucer
Speaker 2: that I noticed flying around and it decided to pick
Speaker 2: us up. I was. It started with the clouds. It
Speaker 2: was just me admiring the pretty clouds, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden they started to swirl into like a vortex. Now,
Speaker 2: this vortex in the clouds, it was not like a
Speaker 2: natural phenomenon like a whirlwind or a funnel or anything
Speaker 2: like that. We don't have that kind of weather in
Speaker 2: the Bay Area anyway. Over here in California, Northern California.
Speaker 2: It was a real crisp, clean, calculated clockwise swirl, and
Speaker 2: it was very small. There was a couple of thoughts
Speaker 2: that ran through my head when I saw this. I
Speaker 2: did a double take and I was like wow. I
Speaker 2: remember thinking, are those clouds starting to swirl? And then
Speaker 2: the next thought was, oh, my god, they are swirling,
Speaker 2: and it's swirling fast. And I was gone. I completely
Speaker 2: blacked out, And my very next conscious moment, I was
Speaker 2: no longer standing there. I know where I was standing.
Speaker 2: I was standing right before the hairpin turn of the
Speaker 2: facing south on East eleventh Street. My next conscious moment,
Speaker 2: I am now facing north on East tenth Street, about
Speaker 2: a half a block further down the road, and I'm paralyzed.
Speaker 2: I cannot move. My arms are stuck to the side
Speaker 2: of my body like a soldier, and my head is
Speaker 2: cocked straight up and I am looking at the belly
Speaker 2: of a flying saucer. I knew exactly what I was
Speaker 2: looking at right away. I've heard of these things before,
Speaker 2: you know, And here I am. I wasn't able to move.
Speaker 2: But you know, Nick, at the moment, I was just
Speaker 2: chalking it up to, Oh, I just don't want to
Speaker 2: miss a moment of this, you know. I've heard of
Speaker 2: UFOs and I heard that, you know, they probably won't
Speaker 2: stick around for very long before it takes off, So
Speaker 2: I wanted to enjoy every moment. So that's what I
Speaker 2: was thinking. I was thinking to myself, Oh, I probably
Speaker 2: can't move because I don't want to miss moment of it,
Speaker 2: you know. But reflecting on that moment once again now
Speaker 2: as an adult, I realize, Nick, I was paralyzed. They
Speaker 2: had me, they had complete control over me, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't move if I wanted to, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was it. I blacked out. My next conscious moment,
Speaker 2: I'm displaced half a block down the road, and I
Speaker 2: am looking straight up at the belly of a flying
Speaker 2: saucer and there's this blue light that is flashing on
Speaker 2: the belly of this craft. And as this blue light
Speaker 2: is flashing, it is illuminating little parts of the ship.
Speaker 2: I can see in great detail. And I do see
Speaker 2: like integral two being. I see like wires seen through
Speaker 2: the ship, seen through the skin of the ship for
Speaker 2: some reason. I don't know what that was, but the
Speaker 2: blue light was randomly just flashing all over the belly
Speaker 2: of this and I remember thinking it looked a little sloppy.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the libra in me, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole balance and things had to be symmetrical, but
Speaker 2: it was sloppy. It was a sloppy looking blue light,
Speaker 2: and it almost made me think that, you know, this
Speaker 2: thing had some kind of electrical issue that it was
Speaker 2: going through. And as soon as I thought, what, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 2: does it seem like it's having an electrical issue. As
Speaker 2: soon as I thought that, it snapped out of whatever
Speaker 2: electrical issues I was thinking it had and it began
Speaker 2: to put an all out beautiful, multi colored light show
Speaker 2: every color that I could possibly imagine, blue, green, red, purple, silver.
Speaker 2: It just had all these beautiful colors, and it was
Speaker 2: more balanced than that blue light that was randomly just
Speaker 2: kind of flashing all over the place. It was almost
Speaker 2: as if they heard me in my mind, you know,
Speaker 2: as I was thinking. There was a few things that
Speaker 2: I thought in my head. One of the things I
Speaker 2: thought was, Wow, they understand everything about me. There's nothing
Speaker 2: that I can hide from them. There was a thought
Speaker 2: in my mind that ran through my head, thinking, well,
Speaker 2: they're not going to hurt me. They understand that I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do anything to them. This multicolored light
Speaker 2: show is beautiful, and it really made me think that
Speaker 2: they were showing off. They were trying to let me
Speaker 2: know that they were not having any kind of electrical
Speaker 2: issues at all. They were just because it was just
Speaker 2: as soon as I thought that, it just started showing
Speaker 2: off with this beautiful, beautiful, multicolored light show and the
Speaker 2: lights would start off dancing around the perimeter of the ship.
Speaker 2: It was a saucer shaped craft, just like your typical
Speaker 2: description of a flying saucer, and I'm just looking at
Speaker 2: the belly of it at the moment. The light show,
Speaker 2: like I said, it started off like kind of around
Speaker 2: the perimeter of the ship, and it would move its
Speaker 2: way towards the core of the ship, and just like
Speaker 2: the funnel in the clouds, started off slow and the
Speaker 2: light show just got faster and faster and faster, and
Speaker 2: it was just amazing. And I remember thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, no one's going to believe this, Oh gosh,
Speaker 2: you know, because I was in the regular neighborhood. A
Speaker 2: misconception to think that you need to go to some
Speaker 2: you know, mountaintop somewhere or a desert or area fifty
Speaker 2: one to experience something like this. This was just a
Speaker 2: regular neighborhood, you know, this was my childhood neighborhood. Man.
Speaker 2: The light show all of a sudden stopped and the
Speaker 2: craft glided ahead of ways to where now I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the whole craft in its entirety. I can see
Speaker 2: the whole craft. I'm no longer standing directly underneath it.
Speaker 2: I can see the whole thing, and it's pretty streamlined,
Speaker 2: pretty basic. It's your saucer, your typical saucer shaped craft,
Speaker 2: nothing dramatic about it. It was pretty much symmetrical. Top
Speaker 2: and the bottom pretty much looked the same. And this
Speaker 2: craft did a slight little wobble before it took off
Speaker 2: near the speed of light. This thing took off east
Speaker 2: over the Hayward Hills, and it moved so fast that
Speaker 2: if I would have blinked my eyes, I probably would
Speaker 2: have thought that the craft just disappeared. But I was
Speaker 2: watching it, and I seen it with my own eyeballs.
Speaker 2: That thing took off so slick, so smooth, so fast.
Speaker 2: It was comical. It was I remember thinking that it
Speaker 2: looked like some kind of cartoon that I just watched.
Speaker 2: It took off so fast, it didn't make any noise.
Speaker 2: It just seemed to get stucked right out of the picture.
Speaker 2: Nick I was finally able to move. I was able
Speaker 2: to move. As soon as that craft left. I was
Speaker 2: able to move, and I wanted to check on my Franchano,
Speaker 2: who was the last time I checked, was standing to
Speaker 2: my left. And sure enough, I looked to my left
Speaker 2: and there's my friend Chano. And the first words out
Speaker 2: of my mouth after the UFO took off was that
Speaker 2: was a UFO. Huh? And my friend Chano just goes yeah.
Speaker 2: And it kind of blew me away just to hear
Speaker 2: a reaction from my friend like that. It didn't sound
Speaker 2: very impressed at all. I understood right away that he
Speaker 2: was very uncomfortable about even talking about what we had
Speaker 2: just experienced. I was just blown away. I was, you know,
Speaker 2: I was shocked. You know, I was shocked upon looking
Speaker 2: at the vortex and the clouds. I was shocked at
Speaker 2: being underneath the UFO as it puts on this multicolored
Speaker 2: light show. And now this is a whole nother level
Speaker 2: of a shock to hear my friend not sound very
Speaker 2: impressed at all from what we just experienced together. We
Speaker 2: just kept walking Aro around the block, got close to
Speaker 2: the end of the walk and I could tell he
Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about it, so I didn't. But
Speaker 2: we literally just experience something most people, you know, spend
Speaker 2: their entire life. Most people don't experience anything out of
Speaker 2: the ordinary like this, and man, I wanted to talk
Speaker 2: about it, but he just was not impressed. It was
Speaker 2: just a really weird, odd rest of the walk home.
Speaker 2: But before we got to the Lopez family's house, I
Speaker 2: remember seeing Charano's older brother, Peter, and Peter had a
Speaker 2: couple of friends out in front of Chano's house and
Speaker 2: they were talking and stuff. So I thought I'd give
Speaker 2: it another go, and I couldn't wait to share my experience.
Speaker 2: Was somebody you know that would think it was impressive,
Speaker 2: because it is? Sure? And the heck impressed me. So
Speaker 2: we get closer to Chano's older brother, Peter and his
Speaker 2: friends and I go, hey, guys, you know, we just
Speaker 2: seen a UFO And one of Peter's friends goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we seen it too, And it went that way, and
Speaker 2: he pointed to the direction that you know, the craft went.
Speaker 2: He pointed east towards the Hayward Hills. So I for
Speaker 2: a split second there I was. I really believed him,
Speaker 2: and it didn't take long for me to realize that
Speaker 2: these kids were just they were just pulling my leg,
Speaker 2: you know, they were just playing around. And I totally
Speaker 2: understood that. You know, even at twelve years old, I
Speaker 2: understood that this was going to be pretty this was
Speaker 2: going to be a pretty tough pill to swallow. I
Speaker 2: understood that scene is going to have to be believing,
Speaker 2: and I just kind of put my head down. And
Speaker 2: you know, Chano didn't he didn't fess up anything. He
Speaker 2: didn't support me at all. So I just kind of
Speaker 2: put my head down and went back into the house
Speaker 2: and I tried to tell a couple more people in
Speaker 2: the house. But the problem was, Nick, I was a
Speaker 2: bit of a class clown growing up, and it was
Speaker 2: a bit hard for me to convince other people of
Speaker 2: something of this magnitude. I knew it was going to
Speaker 2: be hard to convince people, you know, right away, but
Speaker 2: especially being a class clown like I was, it's hard
Speaker 2: to get anybody to take me serious, let alone talk
Speaker 2: about an event like this. So I wasn't shy about
Speaker 2: telling people this until I reached a point where I
Speaker 2: felt like I got jaded. You know, you talk to
Speaker 2: somebody long enough about your experience and they'll try to
Speaker 2: talk you out of it. And I had plenty of
Speaker 2: those kind of conversations with people where they're like almost
Speaker 2: pretty much trying to talk me out of what I
Speaker 2: witnessed because it was just too much for them. It's
Speaker 2: too mind blowing to believe something like that out of
Speaker 2: my mouth. I enjoyed the rest of the summer try
Speaker 2: to tell who I could. I remember starting junior high
Speaker 2: school and I couldn't wait to tell everybody and their
Speaker 2: mother about my UFO experience. And of course, you know,
Speaker 2: it was tough to convince people of what I experienced.
Speaker 2: But as soon as I told them that, you know,
Speaker 2: I had somebody with me. You know, Chaano was with me.
Speaker 2: And everyone knew that Chainna was more of a serious guy.
Speaker 2: He was on the football team. I remember his parents
Speaker 2: were a bit more religious. His family was more into
Speaker 2: church and things like that. So my friends would kind
Speaker 2: of take a little a second ear to my conversation
Speaker 2: and they go, okay, let's go track down Chronto. And
Speaker 2: I would find Chauno. Chaanto would be like, man, Mike,
Speaker 2: you're still talking about that, Like, yeah, Chronto, I'm still
Speaker 2: talking about it. You know, I'm afraid I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: talking about this the rest of my life. All I
Speaker 2: would try to get out of this guy was a validation.
Speaker 2: I pretty much just try to get a yes or
Speaker 2: a no out of him, and he would he would
Speaker 2: acknowledge that we have this experience together. But there was
Speaker 2: no details, There was no conversation. It was just basically
Speaker 2: very short and simple. It was Chaano saying yeah, that
Speaker 2: was it, you know, like, yeah, the you know, whatever
Speaker 2: Mike said is true. And you know, all I really
Speaker 2: talked about Nick was the UFO and and I believe
Speaker 2: the light show that it put on. I never talked
Speaker 2: about the vortex and the clouds that I had seen
Speaker 2: just prior to being locked underneath that UFO. Like I said,
Speaker 2: that was the most confusing part. And I really didn't
Speaker 2: bring it up to people because to me, it really
Speaker 2: felt like it discredited my UFO story. If I'm if
Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know, you know, sit around talking about
Speaker 2: a vortex and the clouds a funnel that just kind
Speaker 2: of took took my my consciousness and made me black out.
Speaker 2: No one's gonna, you know hear that. I mean, heck,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't even understand that part of my experience.
Speaker 2: It's only actually been probably the last five or six
Speaker 2: years that I have totally come completely out of the closet,
Speaker 2: became honest with myself and called called it what it
Speaker 2: truly was. It took me a long time to be
Speaker 2: brave enough to call it what it was, and it
Speaker 2: was an abduction. They took me. I have missing time.
Speaker 2: There's a part of the block that I did not walk,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I was facing I was
Speaker 2: facing south when I saw the clouds swirl. Now I
Speaker 2: am facing north and I'm on a different street. I'm
Speaker 2: about a half a block away. I was displaced, and
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they displaced me because now I know
Speaker 2: for a fact that that's what they did. They took me.
Speaker 2: And it's not like I necessarily have all this memory
Speaker 2: of being on board the craft. A lot of this stuff, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: it gets locked into your subconscious So when someone tells
Speaker 2: you they've been abducted by a UFO. It's a huge
Speaker 2: misconception to think that this person has all the memories
Speaker 2: retained in their mind of the experience. I only have
Speaker 2: bits and pieces of memory. And then there's also this
Speaker 2: big gap that's missing, that's the missing time I have.
Speaker 2: There's some dreams that I've had that I've had soon
Speaker 2: after the UFO experience that really blew me away. One
Speaker 2: of the dreams that I had was it was a
Speaker 2: reoccurring dream of me waking up in a UFO this long, white,
Speaker 2: windy hallway. You know, I kept waking up in this long, white,
Speaker 2: windy hallway with doors to my right. And it took
Speaker 2: a couple of nights, two or three nights nick before
Speaker 2: I finally told myself, you know, lucidly in my dreams, Michael,
Speaker 2: you're having the same dream again. Here you are. And
Speaker 2: I realized that I was very familiar with this part
Speaker 2: of the ship. And what I did was I told myself, Hey, Mike,
Speaker 2: open up this door. And if you open up this
Speaker 2: door and you and you walk in and you see
Speaker 2: a big, giant AMPU theater type setting, then you know
Speaker 2: where you're at. And that's what I did. I opened
Speaker 2: up this certain door on my right, and sure enough
Speaker 2: I was in this huge gigantic room that really looked
Speaker 2: like an Amphia theater setting. I was on like a
Speaker 2: stage looking out into the seating. Everything was really bright
Speaker 2: or white in this in this craft, including the gigantic
Speaker 2: room that I was in, it was all very bright
Speaker 2: or white. I was standing on the stage. I felt
Speaker 2: like I had somebody standing with me, but you know what,
Speaker 2: I was by myself. I felt like someone was giving
Speaker 2: me a tour, and I was on some kind of
Speaker 2: stage looking out into what would be the seating. This
Speaker 2: seating was really weird. It was like blobs of blackness.
Speaker 2: It looked like melted obsision. It was very abstract. But
Speaker 2: in contrast to everything else in the room, it really
Speaker 2: stood out because, like I said, everything was really bright
Speaker 2: or white, except for some reason, the seating area there
Speaker 2: was just all this like black obsidian looking. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it was, but that's what I was looking at.
Speaker 2: And then there was this smaller room that was within
Speaker 2: this big room, and it was it had this big, black,
Speaker 2: dusty hot tub, and I don't know if you remember
Speaker 2: those old school hot tubs, the old fiberglass hot tubs
Speaker 2: where they had all the different contours, you know inside
Speaker 2: the hot tub, you know, for you to sit down,
Speaker 2: and everything is kind of like, this is shape for
Speaker 2: your leg, this is shape for maybe the back of
Speaker 2: your neck to kind of relax. So that's what it
Speaker 2: kind of reminded me of. But it was much bigger.
Speaker 2: It was a much bigger hot tub. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that I noticed about this hot tub was
Speaker 2: it wasn't completely filled with water. It was just it
Speaker 2: had pockets of water in it every once in a
Speaker 2: while inside like little grooves and crevices. And the hot
Speaker 2: tub itself, I remember looking at it and it looked
Speaker 2: dusty to me, and I remember thinking, wow, if I'm
Speaker 2: on board a UFO, you know, a futuristic UFO with
Speaker 2: advanced technology, you know, you would think that there would
Speaker 2: be housekeeping or something like, there would be something a
Speaker 2: little bit more cleaner. But yeah, I recall looking at
Speaker 2: dust on this huge hot tub, looking at the water
Speaker 2: that was periodically in this hot tub like in little areas,
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, wow, this is doesn't look very refreshing.
Speaker 2: It was non circulated. It was like stagnant looking water,
Speaker 2: and you know, that's the only memory I have of
Speaker 2: being on board this craft, and I believe that this
Speaker 2: was just a naturally surfaced memory that just came about.
Speaker 2: I still to this day have not been regressed, you know, hypnotically.
Speaker 2: One day, maybe I will, and hopefully I'll be able
Speaker 2: to unlock a lot more memories that are locked in
Speaker 2: my subconscious of this being on board this craft. And
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I will even unlock a memory of
Speaker 2: seeing an actual being, because to this day, I do
Speaker 2: not seeing any kind of beings. I can't describe any
Speaker 2: beans like most people will describe, you know, maybe the
Speaker 2: little short, four foot little grays with the almond shaped
Speaker 2: eyes and the big giant head, or the humanoid type
Speaker 2: of that looked like you and I. I did not
Speaker 2: recall seeing any beans to this point in my life.
Speaker 2: So I also had some really weird other dreams that
Speaker 2: eventually I became brave enough to call them what they were.
Speaker 2: I called them visions. You know, At first they were
Speaker 2: I thought they were dreams. And these dreams nick were
Speaker 2: really weird because as a twelve year old boy, I
Speaker 2: didn't feel like I had any business dreaming of some
Speaker 2: of these things that I'm about to describe to you,
Speaker 2: One of the things that I had a quote unquote
Speaker 2: dream of was, you know, this is all you know.
Speaker 2: Soon soon after the UFO experience, I seen like a
Speaker 2: wheel within a wheel. I seen a wheel within a
Speaker 2: wheel floating and rotating over my childhood home. And it
Speaker 2: didn't really impress me much because, well, you know, I
Speaker 2: just experienced a UFO. This doesn't look much like a UFO.
Speaker 2: It's just a couple of rings. One ring going one
Speaker 2: way and then there's another ring going the other way
Speaker 2: that's within that ring. And it was pretty neat because
Speaker 2: it was defying gravity. It was floating and rotating above
Speaker 2: my old childhood home. But I didn't know what was
Speaker 2: what to make of it. It was like this gun
Speaker 2: metal object that was just kind of spinning and rotating
Speaker 2: in front of me. Now I realized that what I
Speaker 2: was looking at now, of course, because I was forced
Speaker 2: to study the wheel within the wheel. There were some
Speaker 2: things that really triggered me. There was like a movie
Speaker 2: that I seen when I was growing up. It was
Speaker 2: called Contact with Jodie Foster, and there was this vehicle
Speaker 2: that she got into to go visit her father that
Speaker 2: had passed away, and she wanted to go visit him
Speaker 2: on the other side. So she got into this this
Speaker 2: wheel within the wheel, this vehicle, and it started the spin.
Speaker 2: And the faster it started spinning, I guess it created
Speaker 2: some kind of wormhole and it got her into a
Speaker 2: whole nother dimension and she was able to visit her father.
Speaker 2: And it kind of triggered me because I really reached
Speaker 2: a point where I stopped talking about the UFO. I
Speaker 2: got tired of trying to convince everybody you know what
Speaker 2: I experienced, and I really got embarrassed to bring it
Speaker 2: up the Chanto all the time. You know, the poor
Speaker 2: guy was obviously tired of hearing about it. So I
Speaker 2: just kind of reached the point where I left Chronto alone.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to talk about it, so I left
Speaker 2: him alone. I was almost embarrassed to even bring it
Speaker 2: up to him anymore, so I let the whole thing go.
Speaker 2: But and I let some years go by in my
Speaker 2: life and I just fell back into social programming. I
Speaker 2: went right back into what I was doing. But I
Speaker 2: always knew in the back of my mind what I
Speaker 2: experienced there had to have been something to it.
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Speaker 2: So, like I said, I would get triggered by, like
Speaker 2: certain movies like the one I just described to you,
Speaker 2: contact with Jodie Foster. And then later on down the line,
Speaker 2: I remember Ancient Aliens. That television show started up and
Speaker 2: I was watching that show and they were talking about
Speaker 2: Ezekiel's vision of God. It was an episode where they
Speaker 2: were kind of mixing religion with uufology and stuff, and
Speaker 2: there's this prophet name. He was an Israelite named Ezekiel,
Speaker 2: and they're talking about his vision of God and how
Speaker 2: a lot of people in ufology will argue that what
Speaker 2: he experienced was a UFO and he was describing a
Speaker 2: will within the wheel, and it blew my mind and
Speaker 2: I realized that there had to be something to this
Speaker 2: wheel within the wheel, that's something that I remember having
Speaker 2: a dream of. And eventually I said, you know what,
Speaker 2: maybe it was a vision, just like Ezekiel. You know
Speaker 2: he had this vision as well. You know I had
Speaker 2: this vision too, And I don't know. I mean, to
Speaker 2: this day, I don't know what to call it. I
Speaker 2: started off calling it a dream, and then I got
Speaker 2: to a point in my life where I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm brave enough to call it what it is. I
Speaker 2: think it was not a dream. I think it was
Speaker 2: a vision. And now I'm at the point where I
Speaker 2: don't know what it was, but it is a memory
Speaker 2: that I have, and it could have very well been
Speaker 2: something that I was shown on board the craft. Because
Speaker 2: as I've studied this phenomenon for thirty five forty years now,
Speaker 2: I like to find the commonalities that I can find
Speaker 2: within other experiences, and from what I gather, a lot
Speaker 2: of these people that get abducted and take on board
Speaker 2: the craft are set in front of a some kind
Speaker 2: of projector screen and they're shown all these apocalyptic world
Speaker 2: ending events and I don't know if it's they're trying
Speaker 2: to gauge our emotions to see kind of like where
Speaker 2: we're at, you know, humanity. I don't know. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I'm just speculating, but I could have very well picked
Speaker 2: up these memories that I'm describing to you, these quote
Speaker 2: unquote dreams or visions, they could have very well been
Speaker 2: just events that they were showing me just to get
Speaker 2: some kind of I don't know, reaction out of me
Speaker 2: to see where I was at, or where humanity was
Speaker 2: at all together. I don't know, but I really felt
Speaker 2: that I had no business at twelve years old seeing
Speaker 2: what I saw. This wheel within the wheel really blew
Speaker 2: me away, and I really felt that there was something
Speaker 2: to it. So what I did was I looked into
Speaker 2: it more. I became passionate about it, and I realized,
Speaker 2: you know what this will within the wheel they're talking
Speaker 2: about is a biblically accurate angel. So this they call
Speaker 2: it an ophanum O dh A n I am. It's
Speaker 2: one of the highest ranking angels in the angel hierarchy.
Speaker 2: I was not into any of this stuff at all,
Speaker 2: but like I said, Nick, I was. I really felt
Speaker 2: forced to look into it because you know what, I
Speaker 2: experienced it, and I started diving deep into this whole
Speaker 2: angel hierarchy and I realized, you know, wow, look at
Speaker 2: these nine angels that they have. They have there's like
Speaker 2: three different spears. The first spear contains the Seraphim, which
Speaker 2: are the burning ones. That's the highest ranking angels. And
Speaker 2: then you have this second ranking angel, which is the Cherubim,
Speaker 2: and then you have the third highest ranking angel, which
Speaker 2: is the Ophenum. They also call it the Throne Angel
Speaker 2: th h r O n E the Throne Angel. So
Speaker 2: that's the one I experienced, and it's part of the
Speaker 2: first spear, and then they go. It goes on and
Speaker 2: onto like dominions and principalities, and then you get the archangels,
Speaker 2: and then you get down like the lower you go
Speaker 2: in the angel hierarchy, the closer to mankind the angels
Speaker 2: appear to look and and I guess they have different jobs,
Speaker 2: you know. But but the angel that I think I
Speaker 2: experienced was this openum, the will within the wheel, the
Speaker 2: same one that is that you can find in the
Speaker 2: Bible that Exekuel has experienced. You can also hear about
Speaker 2: this wheel within the wheel, this open in the Book
Speaker 2: of Enoch as well, or even the Dead Sea scrolls.
Speaker 2: So I really found it fascinating, and you know, I
Speaker 2: was out there looking for somebody who else has seen
Speaker 2: this will within the will? And you know, besides maybe
Speaker 2: a couple of real high ranking nuns or priests and Ezekiel,
Speaker 2: I couldn't find anybody else that had experienced seeing this
Speaker 2: will within the wheel. So gone through these emotional rollercoasters
Speaker 2: of feeling special, feeling violated, how dare they take me?
Speaker 2: You know? And all this and that. Yeah, I really
Speaker 2: got into the whole angel hierarchy after all this and
Speaker 2: some of the other dreams that I had was like
Speaker 2: me running from a crashing flood. I'm a giant running
Speaker 2: from a crashing flood, and I go to jump up
Speaker 2: on Stonehenge for safety. And once again, what's a twelve
Speaker 2: year old dreaming about apocalyptic events? Floods? We're talking I'm
Speaker 2: a giant. Why am I talking? Biblical events? The Nephelin
Speaker 2: giants flooding? Stonehenge is such a beautiful, mysterious place. And
Speaker 2: for some reason it looked like stonehenged me and I
Speaker 2: jumped up on Stonehenge with ease. I think it was
Speaker 2: like one two steps and I was on the top
Speaker 2: of these fifteen to sixteen foot stone pillars, and it
Speaker 2: took me a long time to realize, Wow, how did
Speaker 2: I get up on those so fast and easy if
Speaker 2: they're like fifteen feet tall. Well, I realized I was
Speaker 2: a giant. I wasn't a huge, gigantic giant. I was
Speaker 2: one of the smaller variations of a giant. And another
Speaker 2: apocalyptic event that I recall dreaming of was walking on
Speaker 2: a beach with my aunt Cindy. For some reason, I
Speaker 2: was holding hands with my aunt Cindy, and we're on
Speaker 2: this beach and it's this beach is just covered with
Speaker 2: dead whales. They're all beached dead whales, and here we
Speaker 2: are experiencing another apocalyptic event. So there's some things that
Speaker 2: followed the UFO experience that are really interested, really interesting
Speaker 2: to me. I ended up meeting my future wife. I
Speaker 2: met her when she was seventeen. I was nineteen years old,
Speaker 2: and she's always known that I've you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: UFO experiencer. She knows that I'm the UFO guy. I
Speaker 2: didn't really feel comfortable, like I said, it's only been
Speaker 2: like the last five years. Admitted to myself that it
Speaker 2: was more than just a UFO experience. I realized that
Speaker 2: they did take me and when I decided to tell
Speaker 2: my wife that, as you can probably imagine, it was
Speaker 2: a little bit too much for her to hear, and
Speaker 2: it kind of broke my heart. You know, it really
Speaker 2: frustrated me. And I can understand obviously, like I said,
Speaker 2: seeing is believing, and you know, I knew that this
Speaker 2: was something that was going to be hard to chew on.
Speaker 2: I really that, But for some reason, you know, of course,
Speaker 2: my own wife to not believe me when I told
Speaker 2: her that I believed it was more than just a siding,
Speaker 2: and I believe they took me she It really kind
Speaker 2: of broke my heart, and you know, we started to
Speaker 2: kind of fall apart from each other a little bit.
Speaker 2: And instead of just walking around pouting all the time,
Speaker 2: you know, me walking around Pountin complaining that she's not
Speaker 2: one hundred percent on board this whole UFO phenomenon. Like
Speaker 2: I am totally on board. I'm one hundred percent passionate.
Speaker 2: It's forget I want to believe, I know now, you know,
Speaker 2: I want a poster that says I know, I don't
Speaker 2: want the X Files poster that says I want to believe,
Speaker 2: like I know for a fact that these things are real.
Speaker 2: It happened to me and I have missing time and
Speaker 2: it took me. So, you know, I got into crystals
Speaker 2: and meditation, and you know, a lot of experiencers kind
Speaker 2: of go through some of the cliche things that I
Speaker 2: went through some deep dark rabbit holes, finding pieces of truth,
Speaker 2: creating little awakenings here and there. I created this energy
Speaker 2: table in my room and I started putting crystals around it,
Speaker 2: and I went to Michael's Arts and Crafts and I
Speaker 2: decided to make my own little wheel within the wheel
Speaker 2: with little mirrors on it that I glued and some
Speaker 2: crystals and things like that, and I put that in
Speaker 2: the center of my energy table, and I decided to
Speaker 2: pray one day. I decided to you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: much of a religious person. I consider myself spiritual, and
Speaker 2: basically what I was doing was putting it out there
Speaker 2: in the cosmos. Man. You know, some people call it praying,
Speaker 2: some people just call it putting it out there. So
Speaker 2: that's what I did. I remember, kind of praying and
Speaker 2: just putting it out there that I hope that one
Speaker 2: day my wife and I can have an experience together,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe that way it'll open up my
Speaker 2: wife to the whole phenomenon. A couple of weeks went by,
Speaker 2: Nick and sure enough, July twenty first, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: This time it was in San Leandro, California, around nine pm.
Speaker 2: We witnessed this craft that came overhead from the right side.
Speaker 2: And at first I didn't want to embarrass myself because
Speaker 2: I've done that in front of my wife before with
Speaker 2: mil ar balloons, with what else was it? Drones? You know,
Speaker 2: drones would kind of throw me off for a minute,
Speaker 2: and you know, and then you quickly realize what it is.
Speaker 2: But at first it really triggered me, you know, these objects,
Speaker 2: and I kind of get excited in front of my wife,
Speaker 2: and it kind of embarrassed myself, so I didn't want
Speaker 2: to do that again. But I realized what I was
Speaker 2: seeing was really really neat, you know, I knew it
Speaker 2: was something special that was coming overhead, and I couldn't
Speaker 2: tell if this object was flipping, rotating. There was even
Speaker 2: a point where I thought maybe it was shape shifting.
Speaker 2: But what I did was I told my wife, I go,
Speaker 2: what's this? What kind of drone is? What kind of
Speaker 2: drone is this? And she's just quiet, she's watching it,
Speaker 2: and I'm watching it, and it's so weird because I
Speaker 2: just remember this thing just flipping and flipping and rolling
Speaker 2: and rotating. It just couldn't. It was hard for me
Speaker 2: to get an eyeball on this object. As it approached
Speaker 2: nearly overhead. It wasn't directly overhead. It was nearly overhead,
Speaker 2: kind of ahead of me a little bit. And it
Speaker 2: was much higher than the UFO that I experienced in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five. It was much much higher. This object
Speaker 2: was white, it had this ring. The ring really stood
Speaker 2: out to me, and it's only it's the only part
Speaker 2: of the actual UFO that really stood out to me
Speaker 2: that I really remembered was this ring, and it was
Speaker 2: like rotating. It was flipping, and as it got nearly overhead,
Speaker 2: I remember thinking to myself, well, what's the message here?
Speaker 2: Because I had some I had a spiritual guru friend
Speaker 2: of mine named doctor Angel Thacker, And you know, she's
Speaker 2: like the first person I ever did a podcast interview with,
Speaker 2: and I actually worked with her at twenty four Hour Fitness.
Speaker 2: She was one of my managers and we would have
Speaker 2: these long talks and discussions and she was like, Michael,
Speaker 2: next time you have an experience, why don't you try
Speaker 2: hanging in there and having more of a a dialect,
Speaker 2: you know, a mindful dialect, and ask what the message is.
Speaker 2: So somehow I remember to I remembered all that at
Speaker 2: the moment that this craft was above me, and I
Speaker 2: thought to myself, what's the message here? And Nick, as
Speaker 2: soon as I thought, what's the message here? Within this
Speaker 2: ring that I was watching that was flipping and rolling,
Speaker 2: this beautiful pattern of white lights appeared from within the ring.
Speaker 2: This craft was not just going around with this pattern
Speaker 2: of lights on it all the time. There was no
Speaker 2: pattern of lights in this ring until I thought to myself,
Speaker 2: what's the message? As soon as I thought that, it
Speaker 2: illuminated from within the craft withinside this ring. I will
Speaker 2: describe it to you as well as I can. It
Speaker 2: was beautiful, brilliant white lights that illuminated from within the craft.
Speaker 2: It was four dots and a line, and then another
Speaker 2: four dots below the first four dots and a line.
Speaker 2: So basically it was four dots line, four dots line,
Speaker 2: and then four dots and a line, all stacked on
Speaker 2: top of each other. And to me it looked a
Speaker 2: lot like Morse code. So I know it sounds really weird,
Speaker 2: but I thought it looked like Morse code, and I
Speaker 2: was I was going to check that on the internet
Speaker 2: as soon as I got into the bedroom, so you
Speaker 2: can you can hear my wife, I took a video
Speaker 2: of this thing, but it wasn't in order to get
Speaker 2: some groundbreaking evidence. I pulled out my phone after this
Speaker 2: craft had already went past. You know, it was already
Speaker 2: overhead and moving off to the left of me. It
Speaker 2: was already on its way out of the picture. And
Speaker 2: at the last moment, I remember thinking, well, let me
Speaker 2: pull out my phone. And you know, like I said,
Speaker 2: it wasn't to get some ground breaking UFO evidence because
Speaker 2: this thing was pretty high in the air, so it
Speaker 2: was gonna look just like a dot in the sky,
Speaker 2: a light. That's what it came out to looked like too.
Speaker 2: I still have the video. I shared it. I don't
Speaker 2: share it very often because, like I said, it's not
Speaker 2: this groundbreaking evidence. The only reason why I believe I
Speaker 2: pulled my phone out was to just try to get
Speaker 2: a souvenir of you know, like the train that just
Speaker 2: hit me. I just wanted a souvenir, and that's what
Speaker 2: I did. I pulled out my phone and I took
Speaker 2: a little video of it. It wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 2: It's not enough to convince the world that UFOs are real.
Speaker 2: It's nothing like that. I just you know, you hear
Speaker 2: my wife in the video, She's like, well, that ain't
Speaker 2: no drone. She was impressed by it as well. And
Speaker 2: I went upstairs and quickly went into my UFO Paranormal
Speaker 2: UFO group that I created about about eight years ago.
Speaker 2: And here I am upstairs now in my apartment in
Speaker 2: San Leandro, and I'm drawing a picture of what I
Speaker 2: just seen, and I'm describing it to my fellow experiencer
Speaker 2: members and stuff. And my wife sees what I'm drawing
Speaker 2: and she circles a couple of the lights that I
Speaker 2: was describing to you, and she goes, well, that's what
Speaker 2: I saw. And I was like wow, really okay. And
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, that object really ended me of Saturn.
Speaker 2: And I go, well, what do you mean and she goes, Saturn,
Speaker 2: it's got the ring around the planet. As soon as
Speaker 2: she started describing this the ring I was, it kind
Speaker 2: of dawned on me like like wow, I really wonder
Speaker 2: if I was seeing another wheel within the wheel. But
Speaker 2: I didn't remember another wheel. I just remember one one ring,
Speaker 2: you know, one wheel. I don't remember another one, and
Speaker 2: I didn't It's happy that we just had this experience together,
Speaker 2: but I still wasn't quite comfortable enough to really go
Speaker 2: to town with my wife. On the whole conversation, I didn't
Speaker 2: want to scare her away. I just wanted to savor
Speaker 2: the moment. And and you know, at least now that
Speaker 2: there's something on the table that her and I can
Speaker 2: talk about that we experienced together, I didn't want to
Speaker 2: overkill it, so I just kind of I even let
Speaker 2: that go. We had that one night together talking about it,
Speaker 2: and I just kind of let it go. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to push it. I was just happy with that
Speaker 2: and things got a little better. She wasn't going to
Speaker 2: go and join my UFO group. I knew that my
Speaker 2: wife wasn't going to go and become a ufologist, but
Speaker 2: at least it was on the table. At least it
Speaker 2: was something that we can conversate about every once in
Speaker 2: a while. Like I said, we didn't really talk too
Speaker 2: much about it. As time went on, I found, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of commonalities within other experiencers, and I became
Speaker 2: more and more brave. I started doing more and more
Speaker 2: podcasts and more interviews. I became real passionate about it,
Speaker 2: and before you know it, I'm speaking at UFO conferences.
Speaker 2: So I was at my first UFO conference. What was it,
Speaker 2: Berlin Game. It's right across the bay from San Leandro
Speaker 2: here in the Bay area, and it was Loreene Fenton.
Speaker 2: She produces UFOCON. She's been producing them for the last
Speaker 2: I think this year would be the fifteenth year that
Speaker 2: she's got UFOCN going on. I was her first speaker
Speaker 2: out of I believe she had twenty speakers. And so
Speaker 2: here i am doing my first UFO conference. And after
Speaker 2: I'm done with my conference, I did really well, and
Speaker 2: I'm walking out and this lady is right behind me,
Speaker 2: and it's dev Rugney. She's a MOFON director of Northern California.
Speaker 2: And she was like, Michael, I really think that you
Speaker 2: should report this to move on this ring, this experience
Speaker 2: that I just had with my wife. July twenty first,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. So that's what I did. Went home
Speaker 2: after the conference and a couple days later, pull out
Speaker 2: my phone and I'm on my porch with my wife
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of talking out loud as I'm on
Speaker 2: my phone on the moufon website and I'm kind of
Speaker 2: talking out loud to myself answering the questions. And she
Speaker 2: knows what I was doing, and so she started kind
Speaker 2: of buttoning in and she starts to help me. She
Speaker 2: starts to talk about it a little bit more, because,
Speaker 2: like I told you, Nick, all I was talking about
Speaker 2: was this ring that I that had this light, you know,
Speaker 2: this this pattern of lights. Let me let me back
Speaker 2: up a little bit. This pattern of lights, if you
Speaker 2: recall I told you that it looked a lot like
Speaker 2: Morse code. So what I did was I went online
Speaker 2: and I want to I wanted to see what this
Speaker 2: pattern of lights looked like it was telling me, and
Speaker 2: I thought that it was going to spell out something.
Speaker 2: So I look up this pattern of lights, the pattern
Speaker 2: that the lights put on for me, and it was
Speaker 2: a nu miracle number. The pattern of lights was telling
Speaker 2: me four four four. I'm familiar with angelic numbers one one, one, two, two, two, three,
Speaker 2: three three and so on, but four four four, Wow,
Speaker 2: I mean that is a very powerful angel number. I
Speaker 2: looked it up, and when I looked up four four four,
Speaker 2: I found the spiritual meaning of the angel number four
Speaker 2: four four signifies protection, support, and stability. Indicate that your
Speaker 2: angels are guiding you and encouraging you to build a
Speaker 2: strong foundation in your life. It serves as a reminder
Speaker 2: to trust your intuition and stay persistent in your and divorce.
Speaker 2: And it also went on to say the stuff like
Speaker 2: that angels are strong in your family, just keep trusting
Speaker 2: your guardian angels, like what are the chances of me
Speaker 2: having this UFO experience being abducted? Having these visions of
Speaker 2: biblically accurate angels, and then to pray to have an
Speaker 2: experience with my wife, And I do have a UFO
Speaker 2: experience with my wife, but this time it's not a
Speaker 2: saucer shaped craft. It's something that looks similar to the
Speaker 2: wheel within the wheel. And as my wife is sitting
Speaker 2: there listening to me, she decides to start helping me
Speaker 2: make this move on case online. So she's helping me,
Speaker 2: and here we are, we're talking about it again. Like
Speaker 2: I said, when you only talked about it just pretty
Speaker 2: much kind of that night, and I didn't want to
Speaker 2: push it, so I left it alone. But a couple
Speaker 2: of years down the road, here I am trying to
Speaker 2: make this report, and she's like, give me a pen,
Speaker 2: give me a paper. I grabbed whatever I saw that was,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if it was toilet paper
Speaker 2: and a color crown. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: But we started working together and she really jogged my memory, Nick,
Speaker 2: and she helped me describe this craft and refresh my
Speaker 2: memory because I was just so fixated on this darn
Speaker 2: ring that had that pattern of lights that I didn't
Speaker 2: understand what this ring was encircling. Inside this ring was
Speaker 2: an egg shaped craft. It was a white metallic somewhat
Speaker 2: almost like a football, but not as sharp, so it's
Speaker 2: kind of in between a football and an egg shaped craft.
Speaker 2: What was going on was this egg shaped craft was
Speaker 2: in the center of a ring. The ring was rotating
Speaker 2: just like I described it was flipping. It was flipping, okay,
Speaker 2: but the egg shaped craft that was in the center
Speaker 2: was actually rolling. It was rolling from right to left.
Speaker 2: So that's why it was so hard for me to
Speaker 2: actually put an eye on this object. That's why I
Speaker 2: was describing it when I was telling you, I didn't
Speaker 2: know if this thing was flipping, rolling, rotating, or shape shifting.
Speaker 2: Now I understand why I thought all of that, because
Speaker 2: it was doing all of that. Really, the ring was
Speaker 2: independent on its own, and the football shaped egg shaped
Speaker 2: craft that was in the center of it was also
Speaker 2: independently on its own, but they were flying together as one.
Speaker 2: It's a really unique craft that we experienced together. I
Speaker 2: don't know if the message that I was getting was
Speaker 2: this is the angel, this is the open them, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but that's it's what we experienced together, was
Speaker 2: this craft. It really made me realize that it's okay.
Speaker 2: It's okay to be passionate about this, this this whole
Speaker 2: UFO phenomenon, like I am. This is my passion. This
Speaker 2: is something that I consider playing. Okay, Hey honey, can
Speaker 2: I go play? And I can play and I can
Speaker 2: dive and dwelve into this passion as long as I want,
Speaker 2: as long as I give my family the quality time
Speaker 2: that it needs as well. And it made me realize
Speaker 2: to just have balance. And that's what I and that's
Speaker 2: what I'm doing is she allows me to do these
Speaker 2: little interviews and conferences and things like that as long
Speaker 2: as I reserve enough quality time for her and my family.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we're at right now. This
Speaker 2: is quite an event also, but it's something that I
Speaker 2: kind of just passed right up. Another event that I had.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a couple of experiencers about my
Speaker 2: UFO and this experiencer said, now, Michael, have you experienced
Speaker 2: anything else besides the UFO, And I said, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've experienced a ghost before in my life. He said, well,
Speaker 2: let me hear about it. So I told him about
Speaker 2: this ghost that I remember waking up. This was not
Speaker 2: a dream. This is something that I remember waking up
Speaker 2: one night. And this was two years before my big
Speaker 2: UFO experience in nineteen eighty five, so that would have
Speaker 2: made this nineteen eighty three. I was ten years old.
Speaker 2: I remember waking up in the middle of the night
Speaker 2: and I was on my bed and I looked on
Speaker 2: the floor in my bedroom and there was a four
Speaker 2: foot waitress walking towards me with a plate of food. Now,
Speaker 2: this waitress was wearing nineteen fifties nineteen sixties waitress attire.
Speaker 2: Even at ten years old, I realized that this waitress
Speaker 2: that I was looking at looked like some old school
Speaker 2: like males diner. I realized that she was wearing old
Speaker 2: fashioned waitress attire, and she was walking towards me with
Speaker 2: a plate of food. And it was more than just
Speaker 2: the waitress. I was actually witnessing a small diner. I
Speaker 2: was witnessing a waitress coming towards me in a diner,
Speaker 2: and she had customers sitting on both sides of her.
Speaker 2: She was walking down an aisle of people that were
Speaker 2: sitting down on each side of her. And it was
Speaker 2: a busy diner. People were eating this vision. Also, I
Speaker 2: can hear things. I can hear the customers talking, I
Speaker 2: can hear the multiple conversations of mumbling, and also hearing
Speaker 2: the silverware hitting the plates. It sounded every bit of
Speaker 2: a busy diner. What was going on. This diner took
Speaker 2: up probably about one third of my bedroom. And like
Speaker 2: I said, this four foot waitress and the diner and
Speaker 2: everything around her, it was all static snow. It was
Speaker 2: made the media of which this whole vision that I
Speaker 2: was looking at was made in static. It almost looked
Speaker 2: like a hologram. The static, I can describe to you
Speaker 2: looked a lot like I don't know if everyone's probably
Speaker 2: seen the movie Poltrugeist. You remember when she's sitting in
Speaker 2: front of the TV, the old school statics TV. You know, Mommy,
Speaker 2: they're here. That's the kind of static that this vision
Speaker 2: was made up of, but very very detailed, and it
Speaker 2: scared me. It didn't scare the lights out of me,
Speaker 2: kind of frightened me a little bit, because I mean, heck,
Speaker 2: what I just described to you would probably scare most
Speaker 2: ten year old kids. It did concern me a little bit,
Speaker 2: but it didn't make me want to just freak the
Speaker 2: completely out or anything. But I was concerned enough to
Speaker 2: call my mom down the short hallway as I was
Speaker 2: sitting in the bed, So I said, Mom, can I
Speaker 2: come sleep with you? And I remember hearing my mom's
Speaker 2: voice down the short hallway and I remember hearing her saying, sure, honey,
Speaker 2: come on. And to this day, I'm not even sure
Speaker 2: if that was really my mom's voice or not, but
Speaker 2: I remember thinking to myself, Wow, I've got to get
Speaker 2: up off the bed. And I'm afraid to step on
Speaker 2: this woman here, this waitress. I didn't want to step
Speaker 2: on her. So I'm telling my mom, I'm afraid to
Speaker 2: step on this lady. Mom and I blacked out, and
Speaker 2: my friend that I was describing this too, said, now, Michael,
Speaker 2: why do you think that waitress appeared to you around
Speaker 2: four foot tall, and it really blew me away. My
Speaker 2: whole body just like you know, lit up in goosebumps
Speaker 2: because I realized what he was telling me, because I
Speaker 2: had just learned of I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 2: heard of remote viewing, but I believe these beings, these aliens,
Speaker 2: whoever they are, they can appear to you any way
Speaker 2: they want, especially as a child. And for some reason,
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I believe they took me
Speaker 2: that night as well in nineteen eighty three, and they
Speaker 2: appeared to me for some reason, in this case as
Speaker 2: a nineteen fifties waitress. There's another thing that happened to
Speaker 2: me that night that really solidifies the whole abduction thing.
Speaker 2: I blacked out when I told my mom, I'm afraid
Speaker 2: to step on this lady. There was a major decision
Speaker 2: to make right there. I was sitting at the edge
Speaker 2: of my bed, and I knew that I wanted to
Speaker 2: go run down the short haulway to go sleep with
Speaker 2: my mom. I didn't want to be in the bedroom
Speaker 2: anymore with this waitress, and I knew that there was
Speaker 2: a major decision to make. And what did I do.
Speaker 2: I blacked out. I blacked out, and there was no
Speaker 2: waking up the next morning going hey, mom, remember last night,
Speaker 2: you know what happened? You know, there was there was
Speaker 2: no conversation nick about what I had witnessed about the waitress.
Speaker 2: There was no conversation between me and my mom about
Speaker 2: it for years until I was studying the whole UFO
Speaker 2: phenomenon and I came across remote viewing and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, And you know, I came across this
Speaker 2: experiencer that really enlightened that night to me and and
Speaker 2: made me look at this event and a whole nother
Speaker 2: view and he made me realize that they had been
Speaker 2: taking me more and earlier than I thought. They had
Speaker 2: been taking me probably my whole life. You know, from
Speaker 2: what I gathered, they take you more as a child,
Speaker 2: and as you get older. That's pretty much it that
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 4: Michael, thank you for sharing all dight.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you know, I say the story over and over
Speaker 2: and over and it's never the same, and you know,
Speaker 2: there's some things that I leave out, and then I remember,
Speaker 2: you know I did that to you as well, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot to tell you about the waitress. But that's
Speaker 2: just the way it is. Sometimes it's unique. It's a
Speaker 2: unique story. I don't say it robotically, the very same
Speaker 2: all the time. You got a little bit of a
Speaker 2: different twist than you know everybody else. And it's just
Speaker 2: a custom. It's just me. It's just me. I'm human.
Speaker 2: I get nervous. It doesn't matter how many times I
Speaker 2: do it. It is very therapeutic for me to tell
Speaker 2: my experience, and I realized it's probably hard to hang
Speaker 2: on too as a listener. I understand that it's confusing. Hell,
Speaker 2: it confused me, Nick, It confused me most my life.
Speaker 2: I really left out the whole vortex in the clouds
Speaker 2: to not only my friends. But when I finally became
Speaker 2: brave enough to make my first Movefon report, which was
Speaker 2: originally I believe it was seven eight nine four six
Speaker 2: Moufon case seven eight nine four six, consisted of me
Speaker 2: calling up Moufon and describing the UFO that was above
Speaker 2: me that put on a multicolored light show and took
Speaker 2: off near the speed of light. That's it. That was
Speaker 2: all the report basically consisted of. Only as I got
Speaker 2: more mature and understood the phenomenon, more and learned more
Speaker 2: and more through other experiences. I realized, Movefon's not going
Speaker 2: to think I'm crazy if I want to describe the
Speaker 2: vortex and the clouds that I experienced before the UFO.
Speaker 2: Movefon is not going to think I'm crazy if I
Speaker 2: believe I have missing time. Mofon is not going to
Speaker 2: think that I'm crazy by talking about remote viewing and
Speaker 2: describing a four foot you know, nineteen fifty nineteen sixties
Speaker 2: waitress on the floor of my bedroom. So that's what
Speaker 2: I did, was called I got a hold of Moufon
Speaker 2: one more time and guess who it was. It was
Speaker 2: Earl Gray, the late Earl Gray, Rest in peace. He
Speaker 2: passed away a couple of years ago. Super super nice
Speaker 2: guy in the whole UFO world. He was the director
Speaker 2: of Moufon in Southern California. He reopened my case for
Speaker 2: me when I was brave enough to give him all
Speaker 2: these other details that I just shared with you and
Speaker 2: your listeners. That's what reopened my case. That's when it
Speaker 2: became Moufon Case one, two four zero. And then once
Speaker 2: again I opened up another case because of the experience
Speaker 2: that I had with my wife. I call that one
Speaker 2: contact four four four, But yeah, thank you for allowing me.
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Speaker 4: No matter how historic, an experience can be definitely farther report,
Speaker 4: whether it's would Move On or the National Reporting Center.
Speaker 4: But that's great that you have also added more details
Speaker 4: later on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they basically reopened the case for me. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was great, and you know it really took me a
Speaker 2: long time. I had a lot of trust issues because,
Speaker 2: like I was telling you, as an experiencer and a
Speaker 2: lot of us, we end up not just having an
Speaker 2: experience with the UFO, but we end up diving into
Speaker 2: a lot of rabbit holes and getting into a lot
Speaker 2: of beautiful synchronicities and things like that. That's that's when
Speaker 2: I realized there was more to it, and you know,
Speaker 2: I just started going for it and becoming honest with
Speaker 2: myself about a lot of this and calling it what
Speaker 2: it was. It's not silly to say that I was taken.
Speaker 2: I know it may sound silly to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Like I said, a lot of people go their whole
Speaker 2: life without experiencing, you know, something paranormal, and you run
Speaker 2: into people every year. It's far and few in between,
Speaker 2: but you do run into people that maybe had a
Speaker 2: near death experience, or experienced ghosts, or like me and
Speaker 2: had a UFO experience. These are life altering, life changing
Speaker 2: events that help you. They make you look deeper into life.
Speaker 2: And you know, I realized that there's more to life
Speaker 2: than just you know, morning Ralph, morning, Sam.
Speaker 4: You know, absolutely said there is certainly more to life,
Speaker 4: and you know, you're in the right place doing it.
Speaker 4: And there are so many like minded, open minded listeners
Speaker 4: out there that every time we have a guest on
Speaker 4: that shares their experience and it brings someone else out
Speaker 4: of the woodwork that they then want to come and
Speaker 4: share because it is liberating, isn't it. It's good for
Speaker 4: the witness and it's great for people listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I used to like, I used to love doing that.
Speaker 2: I would just love, you know, you know, getting on
Speaker 2: the internet and like, oh, this guy said he's seen
Speaker 2: a UFO. Let me just kick back and listen to this.
Speaker 2: You know. I used to it because why because it
Speaker 2: happened to me and I know it's real. So that's
Speaker 2: what makes me even more passionate about it, just knowing
Speaker 2: that this phenomenon is real exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's understandable the way your wife was, I mean,
Speaker 4: over time she became more accepting, you know, because she
Speaker 4: experienced something right. Yeah, it's super interesting now now there's
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff in your experiences that have a
Speaker 4: religious context. Was that something you you grew up.
Speaker 2: With or No, No, not at all. You know, I
Speaker 2: always thought it was weird that I was Roman Catholic
Speaker 2: growing up. You know, Mom, what's my religion? Honey, You're
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic. And I remember thinking, well, who said, who
Speaker 2: says I'm Roman Catholic? I guess just because my family's
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic. You know, it's not like my family was
Speaker 2: running around, you know, going to Roman Catholic churches. And
Speaker 2: I don't really recall that, but I remember when I
Speaker 2: joined the military. I joined the Navy, and they asked me,
Speaker 2: you know, they asked me what my religion was. And
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, I'm Roman Catholic. But I
Speaker 2: just thought it was weird because I never really had
Speaker 2: a practice of religion. I remember my mom was a
Speaker 2: bartender growing up, and we kind of stayed all over
Speaker 2: the place in California and sometimes even out of state.
Speaker 2: But I was running around free. You know. My mom
Speaker 2: was a bartender, like I said, and when she was
Speaker 2: off of work, sometimes she didn't come home. You know,
Speaker 2: she had the drinks lined up. I had the whole
Speaker 2: town to myself. So I would pop into these different churches,
Speaker 2: you know, some of my friends' churches, and I was
Speaker 2: experiencing different types of churches. One church on people are
Speaker 2: speaking in tongues and then another church. They're in line,
Speaker 2: eating bread, just experiencing all these different churches. But I
Speaker 2: always reserved a little space in my heart for the
Speaker 2: man that they called God or Jesus. I always reserved
Speaker 2: a little piece of my heart for him to tell you,
Speaker 2: to describe to you exactly what he looked like and
Speaker 2: the rules that he had set I wasn't sure of,
Speaker 2: you know, to me, God or Jesus or whoever he be,
Speaker 2: to me, seems like he would be he would have
Speaker 2: a sense of humor, he would he would he would
Speaker 2: be more funny. And unless have all these sets of rules,
Speaker 2: thou shall not this and thou shall not that. To me,
Speaker 2: there was something true to it, But then again there
Speaker 2: was something off as well. And what I think, Nick,
Speaker 2: was I think that these beings have been visiting us
Speaker 2: since the beginning of time. I don't think it just
Speaker 2: started in nineteen forty seven. I think these beans have
Speaker 2: been visiting us for a long time. And if you
Speaker 2: think about it, Nick, if something, if someone comes down
Speaker 2: from the sky, which is the heavens, you're gonna line
Speaker 2: yourself up with this being. And we line ourselves up
Speaker 2: with people all the time that we respect and Why
Speaker 2: wouldn't we line ourselves up with somebody that just came
Speaker 2: down from the sky. And I would line myself up
Speaker 2: with a being that came down from the sky that
Speaker 2: had a message for me, And I can see how
Speaker 2: that would turn into religion at some point. And I
Speaker 2: can also see how that religion could be hijacked and
Speaker 2: taken advantage of by the darker forces that may run
Speaker 2: this planet. You know, That's what I think anyway. I
Speaker 2: think it's a misconception to think that anybody in the
Speaker 2: past is not as enlightened or advanced as we are today.
Speaker 2: I think it's quite the opposite. I think that maybe
Speaker 2: in the past we were a little bit more closer
Speaker 2: and less tainted and less poisoned. Maybe we were visited
Speaker 2: a little more, you know, hundreds and hundreds and thousands
Speaker 2: of years ago. But I think we're at a point
Speaker 2: right now where me and other experiencers will agree this
Speaker 2: is the Great Awakening. I think a lot of these
Speaker 2: countries that we have are consumer based countries. They operate
Speaker 2: from greed, and I think the messages until we start
Speaker 2: operating from love, we're not going to be as sustainable.
Speaker 2: The plan we're living on may not be sustainable. You
Speaker 2: look at Mars and it looks like Earth Phase one.
Speaker 2: You know, it looks like maybe ruined our opportunity one
Speaker 2: time before. Look at Mars. It just looks it looks
Speaker 2: like something that that we're on our way to do
Speaker 2: right here with Earth. So and that's the message you
Speaker 2: get from other experiencers as well as you know they don't.
Speaker 2: The message is we need to treat this planet better.
Speaker 2: This is home, this is Mother Nature, and we're just
Speaker 2: burning coal and using gasoline and just we're not it's
Speaker 2: not sustainable. It's kind of a cliche message that you'll
Speaker 2: get from from UFO experiencers. It seems like a cliche thing.
Speaker 2: You guys need to treat the planet better. They like
Speaker 2: to hang around when we were blowing up test runs
Speaker 2: on our atom bomb, and they seem to be around
Speaker 2: nuclear events and places where they keep in store nuclear
Speaker 2: petroleum and all that stuff. They seem to be monitoring us.
Speaker 2: And it's like the kids found the matches in the backyard. No,
Speaker 2: and they're the parents, And then they might have had
Speaker 2: a hand in our creation. They might be us from
Speaker 2: the future coming back to a more bulbaric you and me.
Speaker 2: Maybe they need something from us. The more you know,
Speaker 2: the more questions you have.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we should, we should take care of our home. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Go back to your first UFO site in did you
Speaker 4: ever keep in contact with China?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the beginning of junior high school, Like I said,
Speaker 2: I would bring it up and you know, and you
Speaker 2: would really think, Wow, you know I had someone with me.
Speaker 2: That's a great validation. But the reaction he had and
Speaker 2: how he didn't want to talk about it, I got
Speaker 2: embarrassed to even bring it up to him. So I
Speaker 2: kind of let him go. Nick. I kind of let
Speaker 2: him go. And I do know that he still lives
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area. Maybe, you know, one day I
Speaker 2: could track him down one more time, and and and
Speaker 2: and embarrass myself, so to speak, and just to see
Speaker 2: where he's at in life, and maybe he's ready to
Speaker 2: talk about it, because at twelve years old, I really
Speaker 2: didn't know how to talk to him about it. All
Speaker 2: I was trying to do I was I felt like
Speaker 2: it was just trying to I was forcing to get
Speaker 2: a yes or no out of him is all I
Speaker 2: could really do. And maybe he's ready to talk about
Speaker 2: it now. And so my story is really not over.
Speaker 2: There's things that I would like to do. I'd like
Speaker 2: to get regressed. I would like to find channel one day.
Speaker 2: I would like to take a light detector test, find channel,
Speaker 2: be regressed. All these things it's possible. I would love
Speaker 2: to track channel down and see where his mindset is at.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's ready to talk about it. Maybe he still
Speaker 2: has the frame of mind where it's like, man, Mike,
Speaker 2: you're still talking about this. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 4: You never know, Michael. I mean someone might be listening.
Speaker 4: They might know him around the Bay area, and maybe
Speaker 4: he will rech out to you by the Facebook page,
Speaker 4: and he might just say do you still remember? And
Speaker 4: he might I just say yeah, after all these years.
Speaker 4: It's just the way people are sometimes.
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder what he experienced. I wonder if it
Speaker 2: was for me, if the experience was for him, if
Speaker 2: the experience was for both of us, was he on board,
Speaker 2: was he taken along with me? Did it have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with him? Then you learn things like bloodlines
Speaker 2: and things like that, because a lot of experiencers believe
Speaker 2: that it's a family thing and it's in your bloodline.
Speaker 2: And I do have a very rare blood type. It's
Speaker 2: being negative, so I believe that that's like three percent
Speaker 2: of this planet or the nation. I forgot what it was,
Speaker 2: but I know it's a very rare blood type. You
Speaker 2: find that commonality within other experiences as well, so it's
Speaker 2: very very.
Speaker 4: Interesting, very interesting. Indeed, before you had your first UFO experience,
Speaker 4: did you have much of an interest in the subject
Speaker 4: at all or was it just completely in Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not really. Like I said, I knew of UFOs. I've
Speaker 2: heard of them. I wasn't a stranger to him. I
Speaker 2: was a big I am a big Star Wars fan,
Speaker 2: so you know, I watched Star Trek growing up. I
Speaker 2: watched Star Wars. I loved these movies. But UFOs. I
Speaker 2: wasn't into it, you know. I mean they're cool. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: it's cool, you know. And I and I, like I said,
Speaker 2: I knew what I was looking at as soon as
Speaker 2: I seen it. It wasn't like a mystery. I knew
Speaker 2: that I was seeing a saucer shaped craft that that
Speaker 2: people described, and I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, Man, these these people in the neighborhood
Speaker 2: are going to be swinging off the balconies when this
Speaker 2: thing leaves and we're going to be like, did you
Speaker 2: see that? And it's just so weird. It's it was
Speaker 2: so quiet, and I'm so lonely, even though I had
Speaker 2: my friend Toronto there, I'm lonely my most of my life.
Speaker 2: I'm lonely with this thing that no one else seen it.
Speaker 2: And I think that they can. If they can, these
Speaker 2: these UFOs can manipulate space and time, they can dictate
Speaker 2: who sees what and experiences what, and anything else is
Speaker 2: child's play to you know. If they can manipulate space
Speaker 2: and time, which I believe they did, everything else is
Speaker 2: child's play.
Speaker 4: Couldn't agree more wonderful Staff, Michael, what a fascinating journey
Speaker 4: you've had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an honor. I'm just I'm glad that I
Speaker 2: experienced it. I'm just if I were to go tomorrow
Speaker 2: and tomorrow's my last day in the end of my life,
Speaker 2: I would be so happy that just honored and privileged
Speaker 2: to have experienced this and to be able to share it,
Speaker 2: and to know that my voice will live long after
Speaker 2: I'm gone, and there'll be other people years down the
Speaker 2: road that may hear my voice and hear my story
Speaker 2: and it'll help them come out of the closet, so
Speaker 2: to speak, like I did, and be honest and about
Speaker 2: what they experienced, because I think it happens to a
Speaker 2: lot more people than we think. I think people just
Speaker 2: like to chalk up these events that they experienced. They
Speaker 2: chalk it up to something else because, like I said,
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen like people think it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think you're just going to be
Speaker 2: looking up in the sky and some UFO is going
Speaker 2: to come flying out of the clouds and it's going
Speaker 2: to pick you up, and you're gonna have all this
Speaker 2: memory retained about meeting the you know, happened like the movies. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: it happens. You're left with a bunch of puzzle pieces
Speaker 2: and it's up to you to put them together. And
Speaker 2: you know what, you might not even get to put
Speaker 2: the whole puzzle together in this lifetime. It may take
Speaker 2: multiple lifetimes. If that's what's going on here. You know what,
Speaker 2: I don't think I want to figure it all out.
Speaker 2: There's a beauty to to mystery. There's a beauty to it.
Speaker 2: No one likes to know it all and there's people
Speaker 2: out there that think they do know it all, and
Speaker 2: I am not one of those I don't know it all.
Speaker 2: The more I think I know, the more questions I have.
Speaker 2: This is something that you're not gonna Hey, this person
Speaker 2: is an expert. You know, I get it. You know,
Speaker 2: if someone's wrote a million books and interviewed a million
Speaker 2: UFO experiencers and their experiencers themselves, I get how people
Speaker 2: can say, oh, this guy's an expert. But I think
Speaker 2: this whole UFO phenomenon, it's hard to put a label,
Speaker 2: you know, and label somebody an expert. It's just such
Speaker 2: a cerebral thing. It's just something so amazing and cerebral.
Speaker 2: It's it's something that you it's hard to comprehend. It's
Speaker 2: like us tagging animals that are going extinct, and we
Speaker 2: jump in and we tag this animal, and we want
Speaker 2: to keep track of the species in order to help it.
Speaker 2: We don't sit down and have a conversation about why
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers didn't win, you know, go to
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl this year. You know, we don't have
Speaker 2: conversations with the animals. We just put them the sleep
Speaker 2: and then they wake up. They have a little chip
Speaker 2: in them or something, and they don't know what happened,
Speaker 2: and it kind of sounds like what they may do
Speaker 2: to us. It's they're so highly advanced that it may
Speaker 2: be hard for them too or unnecessary for them to
Speaker 2: even try to explain what they're doing to us. We
Speaker 2: speak this language, and it just seems so balbaric. Hi,
Speaker 2: how are you doing today? Nick? And oh, Hi Michael,
Speaker 2: it's kind of bulbaric. It seems like I could transfer
Speaker 2: more information between each other through thought if we could,
Speaker 2: And I believe that that's how they do it. That's
Speaker 2: that's telepathy. I believe that's the universal, the language of
Speaker 2: the cosmos. Hear it from all these other experiences. It's telepathy.
Speaker 2: That's how they're talking to them. They're not talking with
Speaker 2: their lips. They're talking through their mind, through their eyes.
Speaker 2: They're telling them We're not going to hurt you. Relax.
Speaker 2: It's just amazing.
Speaker 4: Now, tell us about You've got a paranormal group and
Speaker 4: a page, a Facebook page.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a couple of pages. I have a
Speaker 2: group called UFO slash Paranormal California. I created this UFO
Speaker 2: group about eight years ago. It's a smaller group and
Speaker 2: I believe qualities over quantity. I remember jumping in all
Speaker 2: these UFO groups. I remember thinking the bigger the better,
Speaker 2: but I found it to be safer in the smaller groups.
Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd love to have you. It's a private group.
Speaker 2: We got you in there, Nick, I appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've got you in there. Yeah, I've got a lot
Speaker 2: of interesting experiencers in this group. I also created a
Speaker 2: page called ophum Energy, and I create organite orgon energy.
Speaker 2: I create pyramids out of resin and crystals and metals
Speaker 2: and things like that. So yeah, it's called ophinum Energy.
Speaker 2: It's spelt oph an im Energy. I also have a
Speaker 2: page called Paranormal Fridays, and that's where I kind of
Speaker 2: just dump everything, Nick. I put all my interviews that
Speaker 2: I've done, I put anything in everything paranormal into this
Speaker 2: page called Paranormal Fridays. I just reached ten thousand followers,
Speaker 2: so I'm really proud of that. So yeah, I'd love
Speaker 2: to have anybody that's interested in this passionate topic that
Speaker 2: we all share together, or even just start off by
Speaker 2: following me punching James Michael Walker and you'll find me.
Speaker 2: My nickname is Skywalker. As soon as you find my page,
Speaker 2: you'll be able to find all my other little fun
Speaker 2: things that I've got going on, open them Energy and
Speaker 2: Paranormal Fridays and my group as well.
Speaker 4: I will put all of Michael's links in a description
Speaker 4: and on the website so you can go check him out.
Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you. Oh yeah, I was just going to
Speaker 2: say one more thing. Talked about the bloodline and how
Speaker 2: they believe it this phenomenon runs in the family. So
Speaker 2: what I did was I asked my mom, I go, Mom,
Speaker 2: have you ever experienced a UFO? And she said no?
Speaker 2: And I was disappointed, and I was like, ahh and
Speaker 2: she was just like, well, I did have an experience
Speaker 2: with Jesus once that she's never really shared with anybody
Speaker 2: but me. I'll just explain it real quick. She was,
Speaker 2: you know, up in the Hayward Hills with a couple
Speaker 2: of friends and into the music. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I guess we're kind of goofing off and just kind
Speaker 2: of dancing and having fun, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the music stopped and her friends kind of frozen place,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, there's this Jesus appeared in
Speaker 2: front of my mother with the white robe and he
Speaker 2: talked to her without opening his mouth. She heard him
Speaker 2: tell her our judy, are you ready? And my mom
Speaker 2: was like, what do you mean? Or am I ready?
Speaker 2: She's like, neck, no, I'm not ready. You know, she
Speaker 2: was thinking in her mind, no, I'm not ready. She
Speaker 2: was afraid of what he meant when he said that,
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, the music turns back on
Speaker 2: and her friends continued dancing, and she didn't mention anything
Speaker 2: to her friends about it. She was just so embarrassed.
Speaker 2: And my mom said that she never shared it with
Speaker 2: anybody except for me, because I also have a crazy story,
Speaker 2: right that, you know. I of course I've told my
Speaker 2: mom the experiences that I've had, so she did have
Speaker 2: an experience. But I was looking specifically for a UFO experience,
Speaker 2: and I realized experiencers experience. They experienced more than just
Speaker 2: the UFOs. They experience a wide range of things. And
Speaker 2: why not something like Jesus Christ, because part of my
Speaker 2: experience crosses that line as well of religion and spirituality.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people they don't appreciate you
Speaker 2: mixing UFOs and aliens with spirituality and religion. You know,
Speaker 2: how dare you do that? But for some reason, that's
Speaker 2: what I have on my plate this time around. And
Speaker 2: I don't know the reason. I don't know all the answers,
Speaker 2: but I do know that there's got to be something
Speaker 2: to some of the aspects of religion. There's got to
Speaker 2: be something to some of the aspects of UFOs why
Speaker 2: because I experienced it. I swear on everything I love.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to convince the world,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna try my hardest, because at least I
Speaker 2: know that there's got to be something to it. I
Speaker 2: believe that religion, there's got to be something to it
Speaker 2: that's real. Like I said, I believe it's been hijacked
Speaker 2: to control us in a sense, but there's got to
Speaker 2: be a major, major aspect of it. And I believe
Speaker 2: it's probably something you're going to find more in the
Speaker 2: Dead Sea Scrolls or the Book of Enoch, more than
Speaker 2: the actual Bible that is in all the drawers at
Speaker 2: the hotels and you know, the most popular book in
Speaker 2: the world. I believe it's been hijacked to a sense,
Speaker 2: to controlling reasons.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we shouldn't have to change our experiences to conform
Speaker 4: the way people think they should be. People are just
Speaker 4: sharing their experiences right how they believe it happened right? Yeah,
Speaker 4: great stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much, Nick for the opportunity. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it, brother, and thank you for entering my life
Speaker 2: man and my group. And I consider you a brother
Speaker 2: now and we're friends, so I love you, brother.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, exactly, Michael. I really appreciate you
Speaker 4: coming on and sharing all that for our listeners. It's
Speaker 4: been lovey to meet you. Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Have a great night there.
Speaker 4: You're more than welcome. Take care of yourself, all right,
Speaker 4: and we will speak soon, sir.
Speaker 2: Okay, very well, thank you, good night, take.
Speaker 4: Care bye for now.
Speaker 2: Brother.
Speaker 4: Well, that is all for this episode. Keep updated and
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Speaker 4: if you have an encounter that you'd like to share
Speaker 4: on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to
Speaker 4: me via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles
Speaker 4: podcast dot com. A big thank you to Michael for
Speaker 4: sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I will
Speaker 4: be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep
Speaker 4: watching the skies. Goodbye.
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