WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.960 What's up, bardy people, and welcome to Countdowns a Classic 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:24.280 where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone, 3 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:26.719 welcome back to another episode of Countdown the Classic. It's 4 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.800 so wonderful to have you all here, and a really, 5 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:33.479 really fun one for you today, guys, because we've got 6 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:37.880 the first official Countdown guild meeting recorded and published for 7 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:39.640 the purposes of the podcast. 8 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:39.920 Now. 9 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:42.759 I know it might seem a little odd. It's like, Josh, 10 00:00:42.759 --> 00:00:44.799 why the fuck wouldn't if we all want to listen 11 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:47.000 into your guild meeting, Come on, man, we want to 12 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:50.280 hear about you know, in depth hardcore TVC chat and 13 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:53.880 all that stuff. But I just thought this was something unique. 14 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.520 And it's not like we don't talk TBC during the 15 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.200 guild meeting, but I wanted to give you guys a 16 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.159 fly on the wall. Look at me as a first 17 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:06.200 time ever, you know, serious guild leader trying to learn 18 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:09.519 on the fly. You'll hear me, you know, saying dumb things, 19 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:11.879 making all the mistakes, and you'll roll your eyes and go, 20 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:13.840 oh my god, I can't believe this guy is trying 21 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.560 to lead a guild. But it's a really you know, 22 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.159 fun journey for me to try and learn and to 23 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:22.560 try to manage, you know, a couple of raid teams 24 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:24.879 and to help them get to where they want to 25 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:27.000 be in TBC, and more importantly, just make sure that 26 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.120 everyone has a good time and manage the social environment 27 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:32.319 so that everyone feels comfortable and is happy that they're 28 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.560 playing with So that's why I thought, you know, I'll 29 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:36.760 just do it for the podcast. We'll have these meetings 30 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:39.879 every now and again, throw it on the show and hopefully, 31 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.239 you know, guys get back to me. You get a 32 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.400 kick out of it as a listener. So before we 33 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:47.159 get to the guild meeting, I am going to sit 34 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.280 here and just do a little bit of an opening 35 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:52.120 diatribe for you about a bunch of thoughts of mine 36 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.400 loosely flying everywhere about TBC anniversary. So I'll give you 37 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:58.480 a bit of TBC chat, you know, for you guys 38 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:02.159 who are maybe like, ugh, guild meeting yawn, But no, 39 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.200 trust me, give the guild meeting a chance. It's actually 40 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:06.920 quite funny and you will enjoy it. But just before 41 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.960 we get there, I've been playing the hell out of 42 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.639 the PTR and I would highly encourage all of you 43 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.800 with you know, maybe a week's worth of PTR left 44 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:19.680 to do the same thing I've really been, you know, 45 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:24.919 smashing the point to the countdown people, Please jump on PTR, 46 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.759 download the classic era PTR, make sure your account is 47 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.240 flagged as a PTR user, or whatever you have to 48 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.080 do to enable you to log on. We had one 49 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:35.800 or two people trip up on that and just create 50 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.159 seventies and go out and kill mobs in Shadow Moon 51 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:43.280 Valley or whatever in your blues or in your Tier 52 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.039 four biss sits up to you and just get a 53 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.240 feel for classes and specs. It has helped me immensely. 54 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:54.439 If I didn't have this PTR, I'd have no idea 55 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.280 what I want to play. I mean, obviously, because it's me, 56 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:57.919 I still have no idea what I want to play. 57 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.120 I mostly do, but like it's just it's really helped 58 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.719 rule things out first and foremost, and just you know, 59 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.280 let me get a feel for classes I ordinarily never 60 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.080 would have gotten to touch. So that's been fantastic. A 61 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.560 bunch of the Countdown people have helped out over the 62 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.080 last two weeks doing heroics here and there. We haven't 63 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:16.879 done a boatload of them, but we've done enough for 64 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:19.879 people to go yep, that confirms I definitely want to 65 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.319 play this class in TBC or there's no fucking way 66 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:25.439 I'm playing this class in TBC. It's been fantastic, so 67 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:28.680 do that first and foremost. But I wanted to walk 68 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:33.360 and talk you through the loose thoughts I've had as 69 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.439 I've tried all the classes. Now, this is not a 70 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:40.439 class guide for you undecideds out there. This is you know, 71 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:47.159 me really giving my individual thoughts and tastes to how 72 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:50.360 I feel about the classes. You may share some of them, 73 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.280 but you know, if I knock the class that you 74 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.159 love over the next ten minutes, don't like take it personally, 75 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.240 or don't be turned off by it, please try it yourself, 76 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.800 because it truly is horses for courses. Different people like 77 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:08.159 different things. You know, I might yuck, you'r yum. If 78 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:14.520 you you know absolutely adore. Let's say, for example, Hunter, 79 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.240 you know, and I'm very mid on it, then still 80 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.360 go out and roll Hunter. They're amazing. They pump and 81 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:22.439 if you like that play style, go nuts. You'll have 82 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.079 a blastom TBC. Just because I'm about to say some 83 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.800 things that I'm like eh on it doesn't mean it 84 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:31.720 should affect your decision. Obviously that should go without saying so, guys, 85 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:38.639 I basically sort of am locked into the Warrior. Now 86 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.040 this will be making a lot of you laugh already, 87 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:44.399 because I've gone from you know, Warrior to Rogue to 88 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.639 Warlock to Mage back to Warrior. And if some of 89 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.240 your Discord users were paying attention, you'll obviously see that 90 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:52.959 I initially locked myself into the Ray team as a 91 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:55.600 mage because I thought I didn't like majors, and then 92 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:58.279 lo and behold, I tried them out on the PTR 93 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.600 and I actually quite liked the Mate to the point 94 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:02.319 that I was like, screw it, I'll play a Mage. 95 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.759 But then a funny thing happened and a lot of 96 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:08.600 majors signed up to the two Raid teams, and I thought, 97 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.040 all right, look, I don't want to be that guy. 98 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:12.920 I don't want to just add to the sea of 99 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:17.399 majors when I am reasonably flexible on class, I'm happy 100 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.439 to play a class that's a bit more you know, 101 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:23.879 adds a bit more flexibility to the guild via dual 102 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:25.959 roles in the Warrior. It's not like, you know, I 103 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:30.319 love DPS Warrior. You know, I'm happy to tank occasionally, 104 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.600 you know, not be my one fear with the Warrior. 105 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:35.079 And I know this is going to make people laugh, 106 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.079 but I said to a bunch of guys in voice 107 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:39.240 chat over the last few weeks, I'm like, my greatest 108 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.279 fear with Warrior is that you play a tank role 109 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:46.720 and there is such an immense tank shortage in TBC, 110 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:50.399 you for all intents and purposes, become a tank because 111 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.160 there's just no one else. And you go from a 112 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.720 guy who was willing to help out and tank occasionally 113 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.240 when the guild can't find anyone else to all of 114 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.160 a sudden always being the only tank fucker online and available. 115 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:02.920 And you're all of a sudden just playing a role 116 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.519 that you don't particularly have fun with, but we're willing 117 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:10.000 to be helpful with. And look, I think I can 118 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.079 do enough to manage not to have that happen. But 119 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.480 it's it's it's funny because of the whole committed to 120 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:19.279 DPS meme. I'm not trying to be that Warrior obviously. 121 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.519 Like I say, I'm putting my hand up and going 122 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.639 I love to try a prop warrior every now and 123 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.680 again in a TBC heroic Let's then fuck it. I'll 124 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:31.279 take a few Karazans if the opportunity presents itself. But 125 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:33.839 I don't want to become the guy that, all of 126 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.120 a sudden is doing it more than you know, even 127 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.800 fucking thirty percent of the time. You know, if I'm 128 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.000 doing it half the time, I'd kind of be like, ugh. 129 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.839 But you know, we'll just wait and see what happens there. 130 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.439 But guys, for all of you who are warrior curious, 131 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.800 look Fury Warrior and you know, to somewhat of a 132 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.319 lesser extent, Kebbab Warrior, which is the dual wheeled armspeck 133 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.560 feels fantastic in TBC. It really really does. My only 134 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.720 knock on it, which is gonna make you lifelong warriors laugh. 135 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.959 But my only knock on the fantastic play style of 136 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:12.199 Fury Warrior and TBC is you tend to just be 137 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.399 swimming in rage. I mean, that's the whole idea of 138 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.959 the spec. I understand that your fury, you accumulate rage 139 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.360 at a higher rate than other warriors, but you get 140 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:26.920 so much of it. I'm pressing heroic strike and cleave 141 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.120 at a higher rate than I'm comfortable with in a way, 142 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:36.160 and you start to see that rage build up and 143 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:40.000 you really feel guilty for having it sit there and 144 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.560 I'm like, I'm smashing my cleve cleave, heroic strike, heroic 145 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.079 strike cleve, you know, depending if your single target or AoE, 146 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:50.120 and sometimes it just doesn't fucking go down, and you 147 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:54.279 feel really bad, like, oh, oh no, I'm sorry? Am 148 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.120 I a bad warrior? And you know, as I say, 149 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.399 you lifelong warriors will be laughing and saying yes, but 150 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.319 you sit there and get the self doubt going. Am 151 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.000 I doing it wrong? Because I constantly have too much 152 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.959 rage even though I can't do anything more. I'm I'm 153 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.920 flushing all of my abilities as soon as I get them. 154 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:13.160 I don't know what more to do, So it's a 155 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.920 it's a little like oddly stressful in that way. So 156 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.399 maybe either you warriors will give me tips to rage 157 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.279 dump in better fashion, or the advice might be no, Josh, 158 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.720 that is literally just the lifestyle. Don't feel bad for 159 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:29.360 having a near to full rage bar. If you can't 160 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:30.800 get rid of it, you can't get rid of it. 161 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.440 Don't worry. I'll learn to to how I'll learn how 162 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.759 to drive the warrior better as I spend more time 163 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.639 with it. But outside of that, look, I must admit 164 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:47.039 I am super intrigued by the kebabspeck, you know, as 165 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.759 if you don't know it. Basically you drive it like 166 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:53.919 a few Warrior, but you spec arms and you you willed. 167 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.080 It's a spec that came to prominence through TBC Classic 168 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.960 four years ago. I am intrigued by it, but I 169 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.960 did try it out on the PTR and I'm not 170 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:09.480 one hundred percent sold on it yet, but I will 171 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.519 play it more and see if I grow to love it. 172 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:13.559 If I love it, I'll just switch and play Kebab. 173 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.399 Otherwise I'm still a bit like very on the fence 174 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:21.759 about it because it's I think people would say, well, Josh, 175 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:23.919 you know, if you feel like you're swimming in rage 176 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.440 and the button mashing a Fury doesn't suit you, absolutely 177 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:31.440 play Kebab spec because I think theory wise, you get 178 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.759 you know, the same output, if not slightly more with 179 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:39.320 Kebab and you're not, you know, furiously spamming your buttons 180 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.000 as often because you don't have the rage flowing through 181 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:44.639 as quickly as you. 182 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:45.279 Do with Fury. 183 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:47.960 So look, if that's the case, I'll give it more 184 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.480 of a look. But I'll just say, and this is 185 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.080 only obviously it's different to rating, so who knows but 186 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.879 out in the open world, it it felt slower, to 187 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:59.960 the point that ability wise, I felt like I was 188 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.279 trudging through the mud like I love Fury in the 189 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.399 open world because it's just bam bam, GCD GCD no 190 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:12.279 GCD left behind your fucking even though you've got, you know, obviously, 191 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.559 the six second cool down of Bloodthirst and ten second 192 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.840 cool down of Heroic Strike. Sorry of nine second cool 193 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:22.080 down of Whirlwind, and you use heroic strikes when you can. 194 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:25.960 I feel like I'm pushing my buttons on a very 195 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.720 regular basis on the Fury Warrior. On the Kebab Warrior, 196 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:33.440 I just felt like there were reasonably long pauses between 197 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.919 button presses, which is I know I'm sending mixed messages 198 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:38.919 here because it's like, fuck, Josh, which one do you want? 199 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:40.519 Do you want a high APM or do you want 200 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.399 low PM low APM? Pick one? And I guess I 201 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.559 just want that sweet, squishy middle ground. But I will 202 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:48.440 continue to check it out and see how I go. 203 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.200 But guys, Warrior is a BLASTDPS Warriors an absolute blast. 204 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.000 He's so fun in dungeons, you know. I repeatedly said 205 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.639 to people that this goes without saying to World of 206 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.840 Warcraft veterans. But you know, Vanilla and TBC, you know, 207 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:05.320 the Moniker of the game. It might as well be 208 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.480 called you know, threat the video game, because that's pretty 209 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:10.200 much what you've got to look out for, and it's 210 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.080 you know, doubly so in your TBC and your heroics, 211 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.960 where it's just look literally, just manage your threat and 212 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:20.159 you win. That is it. If all five of these 213 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:25.519 people are able to successfully manage threat and not necessarily 214 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:28.600 shoot their wads straight away, but also still do good 215 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:32.240 damage while being responsible, then you will win the dungeon 216 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.519 and you won't get wiped and all of that shit. 217 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.759 So you know, as much as you you know, I 218 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:43.279 whirlwind and sweeping strikes feels fucking amazing. You know, it's 219 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.279 fun in a way just to know the right time 220 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.519 to hit it, because you've got to keep your dick 221 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:53.080 in your pants slightly. You know, I can't necessarily charge 222 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:58.080 in straight away and first GCD instantly well wind after 223 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.600 the tank has only used one ability. Like, I know 224 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.440 you've obviously got your paladins with consecrate and whatnot, but 225 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.759 I think it's still while I'm getting the hang of it, 226 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.879 I'm still kind of like you know, maybe you just 227 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.320 wait three seconds before you use that first fucking whirlwind, 228 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:14.919 you know what I mean. Maybe you do open with 229 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.759 the mortal strike on sorry, the bloodthirst on the skull target. 230 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.639 Wait a second, then do your sweeping strikes and whirl 231 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.879 wind while there's four or five mobs up and you 232 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:27.440 know they won't all turn on you instantly and one 233 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.320 shot you and then you fucking you know, give to 234 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.879 your your group and they may well wipe without your 235 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:36.679 DPS who knows. So that that's you know, as healers 236 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:38.960 have to manage their manner and that's a fun little, 237 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:42.720 you know, side element of the game. DPS has to 238 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:46.039 manage their threat and that is that is fun to me. 239 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.320 I like that little mini game of you know, knowing 240 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.399 when to hold them and knowing when to fold them, 241 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:55.559 I guess is the way to do it. But so 242 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:59.039 prod Warrior. Look, I'll say, guys, that I said on 243 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:03.720 the show as well. I really we've been talking a 244 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.039 littlebout a little bit about this invoice with the guild 245 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:12.639 as well, and it is to me, it's it's a 246 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.279 matter of fairness, if that makes sense. With the tanks 247 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.320 in this game, it seems a bit unfair. And this 248 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:20.840 is as Laz put it really well the other day, 249 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.679 where it's like you don't have to make all the 250 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:27.519 tanks homogeneous, you don't have to also have like the 251 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.639 AoE tank and the single target tank. There's a huge 252 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:34.519 middle ground of nuance there. But like the more glaring 253 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:38.080 aspect of TBC is how it just seems like unfair 254 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:42.159 mainly with heroics is what we're talking here. The druids 255 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:47.799 and warriors really have such a vastly different experience in 256 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.679 heroic dungeons and paladins in terms of like effort and 257 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:53.759 and you know, as Green put it the other day, 258 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:55.720 like he was playing a bear tank and he's like, 259 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.279 you know, mashing his buttons, tab targeting everything, fucking eying 260 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.080 hell for leather. And I'm like, oh, mate, you're really 261 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.200 fighting for your life over there, and he goes, mate, 262 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.360 I'm not fighting for my life. I'm fighting for your 263 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:11.600 lives and I'm fucking sweating doing it. And he was 264 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.960 just like, you know, shocked at like how hard the 265 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.480 Druid had to work to keep agro on like a 266 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.919 four or five pack. And obviously a lot of you 267 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.639 guys will say, well, Josh, that's the point CC is 268 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.480 king in heroics. You didn't have a mage, you could 269 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.120 have knocked one of those mobs out and it would 270 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.159 have been a vastly easier pull. That's all true. I 271 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.399 completely agree. I love that CC is back in TBC, 272 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.279 and that must be lent on and planned around accordingly. 273 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.720 But just in general, in terms of the stress and 274 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:45.840 higher APM of the prop warrior and the feral druid, 275 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:51.320 it does feel bad when they look at their Paladin 276 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:55.759 tank brothers or sisters and they see the Paladin tank 277 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.360 stroll up to the pack, cigarette hanging loosely out of 278 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:05.200 their mouths. They press you know, their fucking uh multi 279 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:10.080 target ranged AOI, you know damage dealing ability, which is 280 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:15.120 effectively a group taunt in their their avenger shield, and 281 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.960 then they get to fucking slowly mosey on up and 282 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.159 take a few more steps towards the pack and just 283 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:24.840 press one button and drop their consecrate and that's job done, 284 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:28.559 and any fucking idiot can do it, and so it's 285 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.840 it's this is not a rant about oh, it's unfair 286 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:36.039 that Paladins get to AOI tank and UH warriors and 287 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.879 drew and rowers warriors are more the single target tank 288 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:43.159 and drewids or something in between. It's more the ease 289 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.960 with which it's all done. And paladins get to fucking 290 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:51.440 watch Netflix and chill, and warriors and druids are in 291 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:56.279 the middle of fucking dnang, you know, having PTSD just 292 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.519 stressed and smashing their keyboards. It's and I felt that 293 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.240 when I try my Pro Warrior, I was like, look, 294 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.399 I wouldn't call it stressful to the point it wasn't fun. 295 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.879 I wasn't like, I think, you know, this isn't that stressful. 296 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:11.639 I'm being maybe slightly hyperbolic and milodramatic here, but I 297 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.600 noticeably was working quite hard. And it's not that it 298 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:21.559 wasn't fun, but I was obviously sitting there going this 299 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:25.840 could be more fun, Like it just just removed twenty 300 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.440 percent of my key smashing, and this could be more fun. 301 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.440 But having said that, look, I still enjoy the Pro 302 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:36.159 Warrior every now and again in small doses. It's a 303 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.679 lot of fun. If I did it for a fucking living, 304 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.519 I'd be like, I I can't do this so for 305 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.440 a prolonged period of time, But that's me. Okay, So 306 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:47.960 moving on to some other classes, guys, I won't spend 307 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:49.559 the same amount of time on every class. But this 308 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:51.399 is just a rough like I said, off the top 309 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.879 of my head, not a class picking guide for you. 310 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.000 But this is me verbalizing what my class picking guide 311 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.440 and choices have been. Like I said, I loved the 312 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.639 ma age, love the Mage. I have historically hated majors 313 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.039 in Wow, you guys, never hear me talk about mage, 314 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.880 never play one. Don't like them. Fuck off, They're weird, 315 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:13.519 don't not into it. Okay, Because I was in the 316 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:16.759 spirit of trying everything through this PTR, I go, yeah, 317 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:19.519 fuck it, all right, fine, I'll even try a mage. 318 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.359 I was shocked how much I liked it. I don't 319 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.519 think I'd be happy to have this discussion on the 320 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.559 podcast with everyone, you know. But I don't think there 321 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:35.400 is a larger dopamine hit in the game than a 322 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:41.200 frost Bolt icelants combo on a frost Nova target getting 323 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:44.559 that double shatter effect and like, you know, even better 324 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:48.720 seeing both of them create, but squeezing those two abilities 325 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.960 into the one kind of batched window and seeing the 326 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.759 shatter effects be applied to both And I don't know, 327 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:02.119 just nothing tickled me better than just hitting my CC button. 328 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:03.640 You know which is. You know, I've got the same 329 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.599 button for depending on whatever class I play, you know, Frost, Nova, fear, 330 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.079 fucking hamstring, whatever it is. I pop them all on seven, 331 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.960 hitting my number seven button, getting that frost and over 332 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.440 off and just going your ass is fucking grass, moving 333 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:21.920 five yards away out of malay range and just ce 334 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:28.000 queuing up that fucking huge like dragon ball Z esque 335 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:31.519 frostball and going this is gonna hurt, and then hitting 336 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:35.200 the icelands as soon as the cast finishes it. It 337 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.440 feels really good. I'd love to know from you, guys, 338 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.279 what abilities you feel is in that S plus tier 339 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:44.599 of dopamine, What feels the best? What's the best combo 340 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.559 or button to press in TBC world of Warcraft? You 341 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.119 know some of you might say something like a fucking 342 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.599 I don't know what's another good one. You'll think of it. 343 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.680 You'll think of it and send them to me. But 344 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.000 I really liked it. I've never pvp'd on a mage, 345 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.400 so I was slightly I watched a shitload of major 346 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:09.519 PvP videos and I know the skill floor is incredibly high. Guys. 347 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:11.920 No one is watching more TBC content or read more 348 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:14.240 about TBC over the last month than me. I'll fucking 349 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:16.480 take the PEPSI challenge against all of you. That's not 350 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.119 to say I now know everything about TBC. I don't, 351 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.799 but I'm far more educated about it than I was before, 352 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.880 and I've got a pretty good lay of the land 353 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:25.759 on a bunch of things. So I watched a shitload 354 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:29.119 of majeed to PvP videos and I was like, yeah, look, 355 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.880 I can see the high skill floor. But a part 356 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.000 of me wants to say I could do half of 357 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.160 this shit, Like I don't know that i'd necessarily have 358 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.519 a terrible time. Like I know that everyone goes like, oh, 359 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:42.599 be wary of mage they're a little bit hard to 360 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.200 drive in PvP, but nobody really says, oh, fuck me, 361 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:50.039 don't play a mage mate. They're only for the experts. 362 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:53.880 You'll have a horrible time if you're ordinary at PvP 363 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.559 on a mage. Now, I have seen a couple of 364 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.359 you say, you know, I am bad at PvP, and 365 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.400 I was beyond god awful on a mage. Like it 366 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:06.440 truly punishes the bad players. I don't doubt that, but 367 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:09.119 I think there's still probably fun to be had, like 368 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:11.240 even if you're getting your ass kicks. Like I said, 369 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.400 if you can just rip off that fucking shatter combo 370 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:15.559 every now and again, that'd be enough dover for me 371 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:19.440 to be like, yep, I, you know, got ten honorabill 372 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.519 kills and died twenty fucking times, but I had a blast. 373 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.960 I don't know, maybe, but you know, the arena aspect 374 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:28.960 is a different story. I think I'd get my fucking 375 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.720 shit pushed in in an arena as a mage. But yeah, 376 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:34.640 that was one that the unknown of how I'd enjoy 377 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.039 or go with major PBP put a bit of a 378 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:40.759 question mark over it. I might love it, I don't know, 379 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.640 but I'd not really like. Of course, you can say, Josh, 380 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:47.920 you can play Arcane or Fire in PvP, no interest. 381 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:51.000 I'm all about that Frost life. And to be honest 382 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:53.400 with you, to be blatantly honest with you, if Frost 383 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.880 did decent raid damage in TBC, I'd probably be playing 384 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.920 the Frost Mage over the Fury Warrior, but they don't. 385 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.759 I'm not as in love with Arcane, you know, even 386 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.440 though for all intents and purposes you're doing the same thing. 387 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:10.960 I don't know, It's just it's I really, here's here's 388 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:14.240 what I wish, and I understand. I understand why it's 389 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:21.480 not a thing, but I really wish that your shatter 390 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:25.880 You're sorry, your frost nova or your freezing effects weren't 391 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:30.240 taken away by the damage of other players in dungeons. 392 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:32.759 So like if I, you know, throw out a frost 393 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:34.960 bolt and I get my fifteen percent PROC on a 394 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.880 freeze because I've got my three talent points there, and 395 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.519 then I want to do my shatterw wombo combo on 396 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.119 a mob in a pack in a heroic dungeon, that 397 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.519 would feel really good. Now, I understand you can still 398 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.559 do that, you know, if you're hitting the target that's 399 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.960 not being focused still whatever, But for the most part, 400 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.200 you don't get many opportunities to get your shatter combo 401 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.119 off in a TBC heroic dungeon or in dungeons in 402 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:02.559 general as a frost age. But it feels really, really good, 403 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:05.400 Like I said, in doing so so like it's too 404 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.559 tough because it would obviously it would fucking ruin. You 405 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.000 couldn't have it in PvP. You can't have someone just 406 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:13.319 rooted to the ground and damage doesn't break the effect 407 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:16.720 unless it comes from the mage. That's ridiculous. But it 408 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:20.359 would be really fun to see somehow that work in 409 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:24.559 a PVEE environment where the frost mage could still confidently 410 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:26.880 take shatter and be like, baby, I'm frost and I'm 411 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.920 here you to fucking you know, rocks and faces. That'd 412 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:33.119 be great, but alas that's not the case, and so 413 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:37.680 you know, I still find mage in incredibly ten out 414 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.319 of ten fun in dungeons. It's so fun being that 415 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:43.559 guy that can save everyone. Having your improved blizzard one 416 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:45.599 of the again, one of the even though I understand 417 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.759 that arcane explosion is the better AoE spell over blizzard, 418 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.000 you know, in TBC, it still feels really good hitting blizzard, 419 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:55.640 depending what's going on. Obviously, you want to hit your 420 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:57.240 blizzard if your tank is going to ask you to 421 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.599 kite the mobs around for him, but if there's no 422 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:02.400 need to. My understanding is generally you want to be 423 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:07.359 hitting arcane explosion because it can pump. So look, the 424 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:11.039 AoE feels amazing saving people. You know, if a mob 425 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:12.960 b lines it to your healer and you get off 426 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.039 that clutch frost nova to buy them a few seconds, 427 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:17.559 so you tank and then taunt, it feels really good 428 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:19.680 as a mage, you know, Marcus told us all this 429 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:22.119 many times on the podcast before. It feels really good 430 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:25.599 being the superhero of the group and pulling out all 431 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:28.920 the tricks from your utility belt and being like, don't worry, guys, 432 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.559 I've got this. I'm the Mage. It feels fucking amazing. 433 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:36.920 I may well have a mage alt, we shall see. 434 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:39.880 But if you are all, if you're just going to 435 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:42.799 be spamming dungeons in TBC for fox sake, player Mage, 436 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.119 your group will love you. That sheep is critical in heroics, 437 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.240 but more importantly, they're funder play. They're just fucking fund 438 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.640 to play. It's not just about crowd control. It's actually 439 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:57.599 fun to play. I don't have as much love for Fire, 440 00:23:57.799 --> 00:23:59.880 even though I would happily, you know, do the fire. 441 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:02.599 And I don't have as much love for Arcane. And 442 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.279 I'll say this much. What I noticed was if you 443 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.279 only have one character and you're just going out and 444 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:11.039 farming gold, killing mobs on the one character you don't 445 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:17.319 have olts, it feels bad man being arcane in the 446 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.319 open world. I understand no one would ever level as arcane, 447 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:22.960 but I'm talking about the situation where Okay, I'm a 448 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:24.839 major at seventy and I've got Juel Speck, and I 449 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.960 don't want to spend any more gold ever respecing. I 450 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.960 just want to pick two specs and sit on them 451 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:30.839 for the rest of my fucking life. I've got my 452 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:35.319 PvP Speck and my PV Spec. But if you're rating 453 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.759 and you've got your PV spec, you're probably going to 454 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:44.480 be arcane. And if you then need to go out 455 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.880 and farm in the open world in that rating spec, 456 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.400 it's just to me, it doesn't feel good. You've just 457 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.000 I don't know, man, I know there's ways around it, 458 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:58.240 but you've just got mobs on you. You've got pushback. Yeah, 459 00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:59.720 I know you've still got your frost and over and 460 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:03.000 every thing, But like arcane Mage is just getting slapped 461 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:05.119 in the face in the open world. You're not killing things, 462 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.359 you know, as quickly as you'd probably like, or it's 463 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.160 just more annoying doing so. And the whole time I 464 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.319 was killing things as an arcane mage A's seventy I was. 465 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.039 It's like, I just wish I was fucking frost. This 466 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.960 is ridiculous. But then your frost bill doesn't work well 467 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.759 in the raid, so it's kind of damned if you do, 468 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.119 or damned if you don't. That was a bit of 469 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:23.759 a bummer about the mage for me. If you guys 470 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.240 have any feedback feedback on that, I'd love to hear 471 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.359 it again. Guys, I am not the expert on any 472 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.920 of this stuff. I'm just a fucking average punter giving 473 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:35.240 you my thoughts and notes through extensive testing on the PTR. 474 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:40.000 Moving on to Warlock Love Warlock, Warlock's fantastic. My hot 475 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:44.559 take on Warlock is that I really love Demonology. I 476 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.839 know it's not like the Sexy Speck. I know everyone 477 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.279 wants to go destro, you know, in the alternative to destro, 478 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:57.680 every raid might want that one affliction lock, you know, PvE. 479 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:01.279 I don't know if people will be scoffing the Demonology lock, 480 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.599 even though I think they still do very decent damage. 481 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:07.039 It's just a lot of fun to play. To me, 482 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.799 I really enjoyed working the fell Guard. The fell Guard 483 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:17.920 is quite powerful. I enjoyed more importantly having, you know, 484 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.079 and this is not a secret, still having a rotation 485 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:24.079 as a Warlock. You know, the destruction doesn't quite give 486 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:26.519 you that flexibility. You know, everyone knows. The meme about 487 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:28.960 TBC is the destro Warlock pumps and they just spam 488 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.640 shadow Bolt. Demonology does less damage, but at least they 489 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:36.599 get to think about their rotation and still cast general 490 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.920 Warlock spells. It's great, get your dots out there. Do 491 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.000 you think manage your pet? 492 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:40.720 You're a Warlock? 493 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.279 Okay? Cool? I enjoyed that. That was fun to me. 494 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.799 Everyone knows, but I'm just repeating it. You know, if 495 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.079 you're going for the you know, fun per second spec, 496 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.119 it's Demonology, straight up, no questions asked. It is far 497 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.240 more fun than affliction and destruction in my mind. But 498 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.920 some people like big numbers. They'll say, Josh, you're wrong. 499 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.839 Destro is the most fun spec because look at all 500 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.400 that damage that you're doing. Horses for courses you do, 501 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:09.839 you boo. But I also one other thing that never, never, 502 00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.359 never gets talked about with demonology that I really liked. 503 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.920 And again this talking to people who would be considering 504 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.920 farming gold on their Warlock. If it's you know, the 505 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:24.920 one with no olts or whatever, you never fucking run 506 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.519 out of manner. And I don't mean because of life 507 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.359 tap you never have, like you barely, you'd never have 508 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.119 to life tap, which I really don't like the life 509 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.839 tap lifestyle of warlock. My one knock on Warlock is 510 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:43.359 I'm so so bitterly uncomfortable playing a class that is 511 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:47.519 constantly at thirty to fifty percent health, where whether it's 512 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.319 PvP or PvE, I know I've got ways to get 513 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.119 that health back. And that's the whole josh. That's literally 514 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:58.000 how the class was designed. It's it's give life, take life, 515 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.920 risk reward. You can don't worry if you're half health. 516 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.720 You just fucking drain life and your helstone and you're 517 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.359 back to gold. Baby. I'm still uncomfortable with it. I 518 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.599 don't like rolling around and pulling anything with low health, 519 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.759 but Warlock kind of somewhat demands that of you. But 520 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.640 with the demonology spec I was rolling around with a 521 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.960 speck that still took to improved drained soul for that 522 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.680 man of kickback at the end. And you know, again, 523 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:25.759 I'm not reinventing the wheel here. A lot of you 524 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.039 will already know this, But what I like to do 525 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.200 on my demonology Warlock, when I'm purely out there mowing 526 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.799 down mobs and farming gold in the open world, when 527 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:35.440 you set up shop for an hour and go right, 528 00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:37.960 I'm just going to grind some mobs mindlessly watch a 529 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.680 movie and fucking you know, get some gold here. I 530 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:47.240 really really enjoyed sending the pet in opening up with 531 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.440 an immolate you know your time it, so you get 532 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.319 it either just before the pet hits it and taunts 533 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.559 the mob, or you know, just after the pet hits it. 534 00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:59.480 Get your immlaid out there. I then would I went 535 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:01.640 also in a weird build. You guys might think this 536 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.079 is funny. I went down to shadow burn in the 537 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:09.000 Destruction Tree and you know, drain soul in the Affliction 538 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:13.559 Tree and the rest demonology, and I would go immolate 539 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:20.359 shadow Bolt, shadow Burn, shadow Bolt, and while that last 540 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.640 shadow Bolt goes out, you hit your drained soul button 541 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:26.839 just so the drained soul is touching the mob when 542 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.440 it dies, and it doesn't do any fucking damage, but 543 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.960 you get your fifteen percent manner back or whatever. It 544 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:40.880 was huge. So basically, for for four GCDs, not really 545 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.400 counting the drain soul for four GCDs, the mob's dead 546 00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:51.160 and it virtually cost me no manner. It was incredibly 547 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:57.319 efficient and I fucking loved it. I really really enjoyed it. 548 00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:59.839 You don't have the cast shadow burn on every mob 549 00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:01.640 of if it's awkward like you can just do you 550 00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:06.119 immolate three shadow bolts and it's dead. But you know, 551 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.039 as I say, you just weave in that drain soul 552 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.960 and the last as the last shadow bolt is flying 553 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.839 towards the mob and you know it's going to kill it, 554 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.480 and Bob's your uncle. You're done, got your manner, you know, 555 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.000 refunded all your manner that you spent on killing the mob, 556 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.400 and you're onto the next one. Incredibly fun and like 557 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.880 I said, I enjoyed it in Dungeons, I enjoyed it 558 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.680 open world. You can do sl SL in a different 559 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.079 spec if you want a PvP. It's great fun. It 560 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.359 really is great fun. So like that, I'm still I 561 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.319 am tossing up what my ault now is going to be, 562 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.160 and it is between Warlock, Mage, and Rogue, and it's 563 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.720 you know, it's the same four classes, same three credit classes. 564 00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:45.759 Really I've been talking about the whole time, you guys know, 565 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:51.400 over the last month, I've been Warrior, Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Rogue, Warlock, 566 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.240 which one I'm going to do? Mage came in at 567 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.759 the last second as a contender, and you know, if 568 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:57.720 I have time for an ault, I'll just pick between 569 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.960 those other ones. But yeah, Warlock feels fantastic. Guy again, 570 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:04.200 you know, it feels incredibly helpful in dungeons. You time 571 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.279 that seed of corruption right. Don't be the fuck weed 572 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:08.799 who just lets the seeds fly straight away, all the 573 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.200 damage goes out and four mobs run towards you and 574 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.119 your fucking poor warrior or Drewid can't do anything about it. 575 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.759 Hold your dicks, just time the seeds well and your pump. 576 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.200 It feels really good. So yeah, I really am two 577 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.160 thumbs up for Warlock. Like I said, it's just the 578 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:28.400 one thing, my one weird hang up about, you know, 579 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.720 low health and life tap and all that shit. But 580 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:43.319 other than that, it's fantastic. So moving on to the rogue. So, guys, 581 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:46.160 I think the biggest thing I've got to say about 582 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.759 rogue in TBC is I've talked to a few of 583 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:56.640 you about this, and I'm I'm really sick already of 584 00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.519 how much rogues are getting dunked on all over again. 585 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.079 And like, I know, all you meta fucking slaves are 586 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.359 going to go, Yeah, whatever, Josh, you're a dickhead. If 587 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.000 you think rogues are good for your raid, you're a 588 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.799 fucking idiot. I'm not saying rogues are the best, but 589 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.720 they are far from a class I would discriminate against. 590 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.880 Like they're not doing no damage. You know, I just 591 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.400 if I had two or three. I've got two rogues 592 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:28.240 in my Raid. Okay, I don't care. I would take 593 00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.480 a third. I don't get I really don't give a shit. 594 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.079 The guys do damage, it's fine, oh mate, they don't 595 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.000 bring anything. They don't bring a buff. Yeah, okay, it's 596 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:44.000 it's great. And look, my Raid, by fucking mostly accident, 597 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:52.039 has somehow fallen into a relatively metacomp of like we've 598 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.519 got ninety five percent of all the buffs and d 599 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:59.240 buffs here, Like, fuck, that's amazing. That was not forced. 600 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.640 I didn't be the Ogre guild leader who's like, right, 601 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:04.640 everyone's going to play what I tell them to play, 602 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:06.960 and that's it. You'll hear in this core coming up. 603 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.839 I joke around. There is there is one person, poor Voodoo, 604 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:16.240 who has been asked to change classes. But he did 605 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.400 give me options. It's not like I forced him to 606 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.400 play Shadow Priest. He said, look, mate, these are the 607 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.000 three classes I would happily play. And I said, if 608 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.200 you play Shadow Priest, that would be fucking amazing, and 609 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.799 he goes done great. Cool. And we've had a couple 610 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.240 of people who go, literally, I haven't picked a class. 611 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.519 You tell me what will help the guild the most, 612 00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:36.559 and I'll play that. And I've had the benefit of 613 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.160 saying to Ale, hey, Elemental Sharman, yep done, Hey, Hunk 614 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:43.599 Resto Shaman, yep done great. Those three there was a 615 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.000 little bit of choice done there. Outside of that, I 616 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.359 accepted anyone who wanted to come to the Countdown Raid, 617 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:50.759 no matter what you're playing. And a couple of guys 618 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.680 have changed classes or speck since, but they weren't asked 619 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:57.799 to do so. So we're kind of flooked our way 620 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.640 into a metacomp. But in all honesty, I'm not fucking around. 621 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.160 If we had stuck with like four hunters and three rogues, 622 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.639 I wouldn't give a shit. They do damage. I don't 623 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:11.960 care about. Oh, we don't have everybuff and d buff 624 00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:15.079 in the game. Mate. If you need all those buffs 625 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.119 and de buffs to clear post Nerve Carra, I'll fucking 626 00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.400 pray for you, brother, I'll pray for you. Oh, it's 627 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.360 not the points, not that we couldn't clear, it's that 628 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:26.920 we clear it faster, mate. If that extra five minutes 629 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:29.920 in Kazan means that much to you, again, I'll pray 630 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:33.000 for you, brother, Like fuck me dead, guys, Just get 631 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:37.079 over it. It's the third time through TBC. Fucking just 632 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.760 I'm sick of this shit. I'm so sick of it. 633 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:45.760 Rogues are fine, but more importantly, they're funderplay. I really, 634 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:51.280 really really enjoyed just plowing through things, leveling and killing 635 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.880 things at seventy on my combat rogue feels really good. 636 00:34:53.960 --> 00:35:00.800 It's fantastic, like Subtlety slightly less. Didn't really feel it 637 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.960 with Assassination. Obviously, they're not really PV specs. You'll just 638 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:08.000 be doing Subtlety for PvP. More than likely you can 639 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.000 fuck around with mutil aid if you like, but you 640 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.360 know you most rogues will be combat for PV and 641 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:18.719 Subtlety for PvP. Subtlety obviously feels great in PvP, not 642 00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.360 so great in PVEE. Combat feels great in PvE not 643 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.119 so great in PvP. It's just it's a lot of fun, guys. 644 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.559 It's it's you know, no reason not to. I understand 645 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.880 that if you don't have a guilt and you're worried 646 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.760 about playing Rogue that people will judge you for it. 647 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:34.400 I'm not gonna sit here and tell you they won't. 648 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.679 They will, They absolutely will. It's the stigma is out there. 649 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.280 I'm trying to fight it. I think it's fucked how 650 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.519 rough of a ride Rogues get through TBC. I think 651 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.719 it's really really unfair, to the point that I floated 652 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.280 on the podcast the other day, Like you know, Alter, 653 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:50.280 I would even put it on Blizzard to step in 654 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.119 at the point at this point and do something for 655 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.079 Rogues to make everyone stop spitting on them in fucking 656 00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:57.599 this expansion. A few of you guys you know, didn't 657 00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.440 like that thought, but like I'm just saying, in a 658 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.599 classic plus, you would all vomit if I said to you, hey, guys, 659 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.519 how bad we have one class that fucking nobody wants 660 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.400 in PvE. You'd be like, no, Josh, that's a fucking 661 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.159 terrible idea. That's bad game design. Don't do that. But 662 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.719 then when I suggest changing Rogues and TBC, people. 663 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.360 Go, no, no, leave it as it is. 664 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:23.519 Oh, fuck, can't win here, can we? But yeah, look, guys, 665 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:25.840 be brave and play Rogue. If you love it, love 666 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.639 will find a way. But you know you you will 667 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:33.559 get a lot of h Unfortunately, I don't want to. 668 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.840 It's not misinformed community stigma, because they are informed, but 669 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.079 they just care too much about it. And I think that, 670 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.199 like I say, rogues, their DPS gets looked at as 671 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:48.039 though it's zero when it fucking ats zero. It's it's decent, baby, 672 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:49.840 it is decent. And I know a lot of you 673 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:51.960 be saying, Josh, you haven't said exposed armor. Yeah, the 674 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.159 exposed armor thing as well. Okay, look, guys, moving on 675 00:36:56.239 --> 00:37:01.559 to Hunters. Look, I gave the Hunter. I've said for 676 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.480 years now, every Hunter post Vanilla is an abomination. In 677 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.079 my mind, I think it's not fun. It's terrible what 678 00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:09.719 they did with the rotation, the play style of the 679 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.400 steady shot Spam needs to die in a fire. I 680 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.400 think it's ridiculous they Look what they did to my 681 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.039 boy from Vanilla. One of the most fun classes from 682 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.440 Vanilla just gets butchered immediately from the second from the 683 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.840 first expansion onwards. I tried it a bit more like 684 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.760 the Mage, even though I have my prejudices. I tried 685 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.960 it again, and look, I'll give you this much, Hunters. 686 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:34.400 It is more fun than I remember. However, there's still 687 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.559 just that certain gin to say, wow, I can't put 688 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.800 my finger on this is something holding me back from 689 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.960 falling fully falling in love with the Hunter. I really 690 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.039 really liked it, don't get me wrong, sat there with 691 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:48.119 my beast Master Hunter did my steady shot spam and went, yeah, yeah, 692 00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.760 you know, actually this is okay. But I do feel 693 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.320 shit number one that I'm literally just spamming steady shot. 694 00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.679 I don't like classes that just spam one ability and 695 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.280 it feels weird. Man Ah, no, Josh, you'll be hitting 696 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.559 multi shot off cool down, you know what I fucking mean. 697 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:03.559 Like, it's just. 698 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.519 I don't know, there's something about it and the weirdness 699 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.280 with like even though it's a good thing, but like 700 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.400 the weirdness with steady shot being a lock on ability 701 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.039 where like, you know, it's it's like arcane missiles and whatnot. 702 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.840 You guys know what I'm talking about. Those abilities that 703 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.679 lock you onto the target and turn your character automatically 704 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.960 and you can't really move or whatever while it's going. 705 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.880 You can't like turn or whatever while it's going. That 706 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:32.039 I like those lock on abilities, Like I love hitting 707 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:35.920 arcane missiles and having your character sort of turn into 708 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.480 an auto turret for a little bit, but when it's 709 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:45.360 an ability that you're spamming feels a little clunky and weird. 710 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.119 That's such a niche obnoxious complaint to have. But that's 711 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.920 just what the now years long while veteran and me 712 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.159 feels when I play the steady shot Hunter. So apologies 713 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.599 to all you hunters. Look, you do a nominal damage, 714 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.480 and you know everyone was, you know, sort of looking 715 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.159 at our raid initially and going like, oh, you've got 716 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.239 a lot of hunters there, Josh, don't think. Don't you 717 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:15.119 think you got too many hunters? Mate? They do damage? Okay, 718 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.840 we you know we're stacking too many of the same 719 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.119 buffs or whatever and not bringing other classes that could 720 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:25.199 bring more utility. I mean, at a certain point that 721 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:28.719 fucking DPS matters. So like you know, we've even though 722 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:30.800 we don't have a million hunters anymore, we had six 723 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.880 hunters when I first created the Saturday Raid that's now 724 00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:38.519 turned into three. But like as I said, guys, I 725 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:41.639 would have taken six hunters. I don't give a fuck. 726 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:44.480 Every other raid can roll their eyes at it and 727 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.599 go look at this idiot taking six hunters. I would 728 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.639 have fucking done it. It's not like they do no damage. 729 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:56.320 But anyway, look, survival is there, Marksmanship is there. They 730 00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:58.800 do have unique buffs. You've got your true shot, Aura, 731 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.760 you've got your exposed weakness. But generally everyone will be 732 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:09.360 playing beast Master. I don't think the survival and you 733 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:11.159 can Hunters can yell at me for saying this. I 734 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:15.519 don't think the survival and Marksmanship gameplay style is that different. 735 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.519 But you're just gonna have different outputs on the meters, 736 00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:20.679 and like I said, the buffs will be a bit different. 737 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.119 But yeah, just look it. It was better than I 738 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:29.039 thought it would be. But you know, close enough ain't 739 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:33.159 good enough, so it won't be the Hunter for me. Paladins, look, 740 00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:40.199 I just want to say, guys, look I like the 741 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:44.119 Red Paladin play style in TBC. I do. I just 742 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.440 I have the same issue with it that I had 743 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.559 with one or two other specs, where I'm just like, 744 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.840 I mean, I'm not okay with classes that have manner issues. 745 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.119 I'm just not like again back to the arcane mage thing, 746 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.119 and people goes, oh, made at pumps, and I'm like, 747 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.440 but the excessive manner issues, No, no, Josh, you manage that. 748 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.519 You weaving your frost bolts. You've got your manner emeralds, 749 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.960 you've got your evacation, you beg for an innovate Bob's 750 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:17.480 your uncle, and I'm just like, yeah, but I'd rather 751 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.480 just have self sustainability and not have to sweat bullets 752 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.280 about my manner all the time. And Red Paladin, in 753 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.559 my humble opinion, has massive manner of issues Like I 754 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.079 just I don't like playing classes that has to drink 755 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.880 after four mobs. Ah, but Josh, you got your blessing 756 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.719 and your seal of wisdom and your fucking this out 757 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.199 and the other. It didn't feel like enough. I really 758 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.719 enjoyed going out and whacking things with my big two 759 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.559 hander as a ret I just wanted more manner efficiency. 760 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.320 I fucking hate stoff like I don't sorry, I don't 761 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.719 mind stopping to drink, but let's do it every fucking 762 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.639 eight to nine mobs, not every four or five. It's 763 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:03.760 just a bit obnoxious. Yes, So look, your mileage mayvery 764 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.639 I'm not the Paladin of Ficionado. Maybe I was doing 765 00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:10.760 things wrong. You know, I wasn't consecrating every fucking mob. 766 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.239 I wasn't being that guy. But it's still just made 767 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:17.639 judgment and Crusader stroke and whatever. It just it seemed 768 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.519 to go. I don't know, maybe I was doing something wrong, 769 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.480 but I mean, you read Paladins. You know you can't 770 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.039 shake Paladin fans off Paladin. I could say whatever the 771 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.559 fuck I could to poo poo them, and all the 772 00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:31.880 Paladin fans would be like, obviously we don't care Paladin 773 00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:34.719 for life. Baby good go have fun with your Paladins. 774 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.159 We need you out there, your amazing utility. I love 775 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.440 you all, Thank you for doing a great group service. 776 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.400 Holy Paladin I liked more than I thought I would. 777 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.519 I just liked Holy Priest a little bit more. But yeah, 778 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.800 Holy Paladin feels great in my opinion. And look, Prop 779 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.239 Paladins again, nothing I'm gonna say is going to shake 780 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:59.079 you diehard prop Paladins from the speck. This again sounds 781 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.320 stupid because it's like Jock Josh fucking you know, pick 782 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.639 a tune, which song you singing? 783 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:04.920 Here? 784 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:10.840 The prop Paladin feels a little boring on the interactivity stakes. 785 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.400 I just poo pooed the Feral Druid and the prop 786 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.800 Warrior for being too involved, you know, spamming high APM, 787 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.320 fighting for your life blah, blah blah, struggling to keep threat. 788 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:27.320 The prop Paladin, in my opinion, is too cruisy. And 789 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.760 I know that floats a lot of people boat a 790 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:34.360 lot of people's boats. Oh mate, too cruisy, No such thing, Josh. 791 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.440 That is exactly what I'll be doing, watching Netflix while 792 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:41.679 pressing simply avenger shields and consecrate and just sleep walking 793 00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:44.480 through dungeons. I can signed sealds, live it. I'm yours. 794 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.800 It's just not one hundred percent for me anymore. I 795 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.320 just I wish the prop Paladin had one more button, 796 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.840 and I know that they're still pressing buttons. Josh, you 797 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.760 forgot about Holy Shield, baby. You gotta hear that fairly frequently. Yeah, 798 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:03.079 you do, you do. It's still missing something. I just 799 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:06.039 want one more button press for my prop Paladin and 800 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.280 you'd sell me. But it just it's I could play it, 801 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.400 but it's a little bit of a snoozefest. So yeah, 802 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:15.239 that's me on paladins. Look, I just want to say 803 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:21.079 this in general as a little bit of a buyer 804 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:26.960 beware thing for all you guys considering healers and tanks 805 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.960 in TBC. And you all know this already, but I'm 806 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.480 just repeating it and shouting it out into the void, 807 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:39.079 you know, just just for the sake of it. First 808 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.559 and foremost, I'll say the easy part, Like, guys, there 809 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:43.639 is going to be a tank shortage. But I'm saying 810 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:48.199 it because I think there's really really going to be 811 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:50.159 a tank shortage. And I know we say that every 812 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.199 time a version of the game comes out, nine I 813 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.519 know this time I mean it. There's really going to 814 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.639 be a tank shortage. This time, I really really mean it, 815 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:03.719 I think. And I'm going to talk about the nerfs 816 00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.280 after I'm done with all these classes. But I think 817 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:12.400 that the incredibly bizarre combination that Blizzard has gone with 818 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:18.280 of pre NERF heroics and post nerve Carazan, I just 819 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.480 think that a lot of tanks are going to get 820 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.880 their fucking asses kicked in these heroics. I think Blizzen 821 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.039 has had Blizzard's gone topsy turvy, and in trying to 822 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:33.719 retain the mental health of the casual player base of Classic, 823 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.400 they've nerfed the wrong thing. They should have and again 824 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:38.840 I'll get to this later, but they should have done 825 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.000 the slight nerve to a few heroics and kept Carazan 826 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.559 as it was, because these tanks are going to go 827 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:49.239 through these heroics, particularly the two or three harder ones, 828 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:54.039 and they're not only it's not just that they'll wipe, 829 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.679 but they'll wipe so often and so horrifically. Not all 830 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:04.599 tanks thanks just you know, from the fucking I don't know, 831 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:13.000 sixtieth percentile down or what have you. They'll fail so miserably, 832 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.920 they will have the life force sucked out of them. 833 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:22.119 These heroics are so punishing to the classic player within 834 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.000 the prism of the classic frame of mind. I know 835 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.400 mythic plus is harder and all that shit, But to 836 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.559 the rating dad or the casual dungeoning dad of the 837 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:38.639 classic crowd, these TBC heroics are a fucking challenge. Then 838 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.199 that I don't use the word challenge lightly either, Like 839 00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.440 they're just straight up they will be difficult for a 840 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:49.800 lot of casuals. Okay, tanks will reroll, straight up. I 841 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.199 just think people will get fucking over it and they'll reroll. 842 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.079 Fuck this thought I was going to be propellered, and 843 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:55.960 fuck you, I'm out of here never doing that again. 844 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:57.639 Fuck you thought I was gonna be a prop warrior. 845 00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.000 I thought I was gonna be a fairl druid. Now 846 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.840 let somebody else do that shit, I'm fucking going DPS. 847 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:04.159 I just think it's going to happen. I think we're 848 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.559 going to really struggle. It's part of the reason why 849 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:09.199 I chose Warrior, because I think we're going to be 850 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.800 so hung out to dry with the lack of tanks 851 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.440 that I have to help some way. Even though I 852 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:16.880 just said I don't want to fucking tank all the 853 00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.159 time for the same fucking reasons, even though I feel 854 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.440 like I can get through it. It's just like it's such 855 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.880 a bashing that people will ask other people to do it. 856 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.599 So keep that in mind if you are wanting to 857 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.039 tank casually, and if you take a real assessment of 858 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:41.320 your tanking ability and it ain't that crash hot, and 859 00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:43.079 if you're like, man, I just play this game for fun. 860 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:44.480 I know I'm not very good at it, but I 861 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.880 want to tank, mate, go for it, but just be 862 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.320 aware of the warnings I've just thrown you. Okay, like 863 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.360 it ain't for the faint of heart. Having said all that, 864 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.960 let's move on to healers, because I've got an even 865 00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.679 bigger warning for you, all your casual healers out there. 866 00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:04.360 I've touched on this a bit where I don't think 867 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.039 this upset some of the healers. I don't think TBC 868 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.639 is a particularly exciting expansion healing wise. I think the 869 00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:15.760 healing is incredibly one dimensional, monotonous, and not exactly brain massaging. 870 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:23.440 Having said that, it is incredibly stressful. It is. All 871 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.960 healers are the prot warrior and feral druid of healing. 872 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:35.280 All healers because in these heroics again Prena heroics, you 873 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.519 are fighting for everyone's lives, and I mean you are 874 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.119 fucking stressed. You are under the pump. And again, not 875 00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.000 all healers. I know some of you are sitting out 876 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.480 there listening to this going fucking not me. I'm a legend. 877 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:49.760 Fuck off, Josh, healing is easy. What are you talking about? 878 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.719 This is not directed at you, even though some of 879 00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.800 you saying that might rate yourselves a bit higher than 880 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.679 you actually are. The Again, the mid to low tier 881 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:03.119 healer will get scared off healing immediately. In TBC. It 882 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:05.360 is not a walk in the park. It's actually pretty fucked. 883 00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:11.440 I'm a healing aficionado and I was watching healers in 884 00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:18.639 all the Heroics Idea listening to them go fuck, fuck fuck, 885 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.280 and it didn't sound fun, and I was watching the 886 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:28.519 lifebar of the tank going, Jesus Christ, fuck that spikiness, Like, 887 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.400 just fuck that right off. He went from ninety five 888 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.519 to ten in one global, Like what is going on? 889 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.440 And then if you do anything but spam flash, heel 890 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.119 or whatever on the tank, other people are still taking 891 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.639 damage too, through AoE or cleave or whatever, and it's 892 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:49.239 not like you can totally ignore them. It's stressful as fuck. 893 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.519 Guys like TBC to me truly seems to be like 894 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.719 you have to be in love with healing and not 895 00:49:56.760 --> 00:50:00.440 just someone who's considering it to mix things up. You know, 896 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.519 just consider that when you're choosing your class and what 897 00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.760 to boost in TBC. If you are using the boost, 898 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.360 I will this is a shitty thing to say. I 899 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.079 will not be wild about going through heroic dungeons in 900 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:22.639 TBC with people who were just you know, Sunday healers. 901 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:26.880 Oh yeah, mate, I can heal. How hard could it be? 902 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.079 I've got Jill Speck. Nah, fuck it, she'll be right. 903 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:30.840 Let's give it a go. 904 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:31.599 Nah mate. 905 00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.639 If it's all well and good, I'd rather get someone 906 00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:39.079 who actually heals, you know, semi professionally, because these heroics 907 00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:40.800 are going to fuck people up, and we're gonna wipe 908 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.320 a lot, and you will cumulatively spend fucking twelve minutes 909 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.960 on runbacks. And I know, I am, you know, Captain, 910 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.920 Do what's fun and don't be better and play the 911 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.400 game however the fuck you want to play it. But 912 00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.840 believe me, after doing all these heroics over the last 913 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:03.840 few weeks on PTA are even the friendliest friendliest of 914 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:08.079 guild groups will start to get exacerbated and crack the 915 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.079 shits a bit when you've wiped five times because the 916 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:14.559 healing can't keep up on a heroic. It's fucking rough 917 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:18.039 out there, So just keep that in mind. Like I'm 918 00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:22.920 super aware I as a lifelong healer. Am su not lifelong, 919 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.480 but you know what I mean, am super wary of 920 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.840 healing in TBC. It just doesn't look fun. Holy Priest 921 00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.639 is a lot of fun, Like all the mechanics and 922 00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:38.119 the spells of a Holy Priest fucking great, sign me 923 00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:43.159 up sounds wonderful, But in the heroic dungeon environment, look, 924 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.599 I'm still yet to try. It just doesn't look that fun. 925 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.440 But I don't want to write it off yet. Maybe 926 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:53.079 once I drive it, it'll be fine, and I'm completely 927 00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.800 dooming this thing that I shouldn't be dooming right now. 928 00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.559 So I just again I'm thinking out loud to myself here, guys, 929 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.760 you don't have to subscribe to what I'm saying. This 930 00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:07.760 is just me being a dickhead. Okay, you know, apply 931 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.960 all of that. You know, poor as we're saying, poor 932 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.559 resto druids, Like what the fuck does a resto druid 933 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.840 do in these heroics when you've got that much spikiness, Like, 934 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.880 oh mate, I hope those hots tick on you soon, 935 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.519 Like I know you've got regrowth and shits sitting right 936 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.239 there on a one and a half second cast as 937 00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:29.800 a flash heel, but like still fuck me dead, Like 938 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:37.800 it's just oh, it's brutal so resto Shaman's rest Resto Druids, 939 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.440 Holy priest, discipline, priests. Just just keep all that in mind, please, 940 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:48.480 that's all your heel is covered. Boomkins Druids. Look, I'm 941 00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.280 still shocked at how few people are playing Boomkins. I 942 00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.719 know the Boomkin is not like highly represented in any 943 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:55.840 version of well, but I feel like it's alway, it's 944 00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.400 got it's really niche, you know, fan club and I 945 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.239 can't see that fan club this time around. On TVC anniversary. 946 00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:06.199 Fucking no one's playing Boomkin. And it's not like they're horrible, 947 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.039 but just fucking no one's playing them. We're really really 948 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.679 shocked that we've seen so few Boomkins so far. But 949 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.760 having said that, guys, look, I didn't spend much time 950 00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.599 with Druid. I'm not a Druid fan. I love Resto Druid, 951 00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.559 but like I said, fuck being a Resto Druid in 952 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:29.280 fucking TBC for me personally, Marcus, if you're listening to this, 953 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.559 please don't take any of this into account. I absolutely 954 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:34.880 would love you to play Resto Druid and stick with 955 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:41.079 me in Arenas. I love you, But yeah, Druid guys, 956 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.800 I'll leave that to the Druids. Look, the feral tanks 957 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.960 seem to love the bear eat despite everything I said. 958 00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.159 You know, cats love the cat, even though Cat doesn't 959 00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:55.559 get a lot of love in TBC. Nobody apparently playing Boomkin, 960 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.880 and the Resto Druids are very happy because Resto Druid 961 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.239 is good TBC. It's just like I said that, that 962 00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.239 issue with heroics is a little bit funny. I'm sure 963 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.679 the good restro druids will shout me down and say, mate, Josh, 964 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.840 shut up. Rest of Druids fine in heroic, that's fine, 965 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:15.119 and they're obviously God's in the arena, so keep that 966 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:21.440 in mind. Now, what's next? That's pretty much everything? What 967 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.679 class did I did? I leave out? One, two, three, four, five, 968 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.800 six seven. I've left the class out and I don't 969 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:33.519 know what it is, whatever class that is. I apologize. 970 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:39.000 I'll think of you later. Now, look, guys, I want 971 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:40.480 to move on to the nurse real quick. I' pretty 972 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:41.840 much said what I wanted to say. But I do 973 00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:44.199 think it's bizarre. As many of you noted, there's a 974 00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:48.800 lot of nuance that's not being explored here. I don't 975 00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.679 know why the raid is going to be significantly easier 976 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.960 than the heroics. Why am I busting ass to gear 977 00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:58.639 up in heroics for gear that I won't need to 978 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:06.280 clear an easy raid potentially, you know? And why why 979 00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:10.159 after three or four Carazans am I ever doing a 980 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:13.960 heroic again? You know what I mean? Like, if you 981 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.400 get like four or five pieces from your first month 982 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:23.000 of Karazan, I'm still I know you'd still got I know, guys, 983 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.039 I'm not dumb. I know you'd still go to Heroics. 984 00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.400 You know, you're still getting previous that you haven't found 985 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:30.639 or like, you know, obviously you haven't got all the 986 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.840 drops from Karazan, so you might still need a thing 987 00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.360 or two from Heroics and you know, Joshua need my 988 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.119 primal nether's or whatever it might be. I know there's 989 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:39.840 a reason to go to Heroics, but I'm just like 990 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:45.480 this ass backwards oddity of like, seriously doing the Raid 991 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:49.760 to make the Heroics easier is fucking bizarre to me. 992 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.559 I don't know what the Classic team is smoking on 993 00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:59.000 this one. To me, the far more logical decision. You know, 994 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:03.079 there's two worlds that you live in. Here, there's a 995 00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:05.480 world where they don't touch anything and everything is just 996 00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.719 pre nerve. We played that game in twenty twenty one. 997 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:11.800 We know how that goes. You either make that choice 998 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.199 again or you live in a world where you are 999 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:16.519 gonna make some nerves. And that's the world we're living in, 1000 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.119 and that's why I'm discussing this. So, like the hashtag 1001 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:23.280 no changes, don't touch my fucking dungeons in tbc's in TBC, guys, 1002 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:26.320 I'm sorry that ship has sailed this time around, they're 1003 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.840 obviously mixing things up. This time around, They're obviously mixing 1004 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:32.039 things up. So I'll talk about all of that within 1005 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:35.239 the realm of this you know, universe where nerves are 1006 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:39.719 being made. So if we're open to nerves, why aren't 1007 00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:45.239 we slightly nerving heroics mainly the two or three tough ones, 1008 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:47.840 like why don't we have the microscope on shattered halls 1009 00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:54.559 and fucking blood furnas and leave Cara alone? Why don't 1010 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:59.239 we have post nerve Cara and fucking sorry, pre nerve Cara. 1011 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:00.679 You know what I mean? Why don't we have pre 1012 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:06.320 nerve Carra and post nerve heroics? And if you guys 1013 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.639 get up in arms, going Josh, I don't want blanket 1014 00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:11.239 nurse to heroics. The difficulty of heroics is part of 1015 00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:15.760 the charm of TBC. Then again, like Nuance Baby, isn't 1016 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.360 there a couple of little things that you could If 1017 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:22.119 the aim of the game, which it clearly is, is 1018 00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.719 to keep the casuals happy, then why are we fucking 1019 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.920 flogging them in heroics just to make them smile? In Karazan, 1020 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:34.079 I'm on board with post nerve Vash, I'm on board 1021 00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:38.840 with post nerve KT, that's fine. I don't care. That's fine. No, 1022 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.719 not many people, and I know there are people out there, 1023 00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:45.079 but the minority, it seems, the minority of people are going, 1024 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.719 don't touch my vash, don't touch my KT. The majority 1025 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:50.840 of people going, yeah, makes sense. A lot of people 1026 00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:52.559 quit when they were met with that challenge. So if 1027 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.679 you nerve vash and KT, fucking whatever, shoultz shrug. I 1028 00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.760 can live with that. But like I said earlier, nobody 1029 00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:01.960 in there, in the history of mankind, has ever said, 1030 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:05.239 won't somebody please think of the children? A nerve trasan 1031 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:10.199 blizzard went ahead and did it. Anyway, the arguably the 1032 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:14.559 easiest ray that's ever existed in our history outside of wrathnacs, 1033 00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:18.679 has now been nerved when nobody wanted it. It's not 1034 00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.039 so much that nobody wants it, but nobody asked for it. 1035 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.360 People are happily accepting a nerve trazen but they would 1036 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:26.920 have also lived their lives quite happily with a pre 1037 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.440 nerve trazan. And if you do pre nerve trazene, you 1038 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:35.840 maintain that flow of you know, doing the slightly easier 1039 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:39.159 heroic dungeon to gear up for the tougher raid as 1040 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:43.400 is meant to be. I don't know why we're literally 1041 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.320 doing it asked backwards, like, I know they're smart people 1042 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.960 in the Classic team. What's the reasoning, guys, what's the 1043 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:55.880 fucking reasoning? Because like I say, I predict. I'm sorry 1044 00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:00.760 not predict. I presume, like I said, logistically, you're trying 1045 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.159 to keep people happy and subbed moving into Classic. Plus, 1046 00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.360 this is about riding the ViBe's trained for the next 1047 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.519 eight months. Cool, Okay, If that's the case, I'm on board. 1048 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:12.920 Then why you're flogging their asses in Heroics because that 1049 00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:15.280 doesn't line up with what you're trying to do. Let's 1050 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.079 keep them happy, let's make the raids easy. Or but 1051 00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:20.840 these heroic dungeons that they'll be running out nauseum are 1052 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.920 going to kick the living shit out of Captain Casual. 1053 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:29.719 Why that doesn't marry up? So, like, I don't care. 1054 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:33.280 I guys don't see this as me pushing for nurse 1055 00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.000 to heroics. Oh Josh is pushing for nurse to heroics 1056 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.639 because he' shit at the game. Mate. I'm fine with 1057 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:42.559 heroics as they are. I totally am. But as I said, 1058 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.079 in the world where you've already said, we are making 1059 00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:51.360 nerve changes, apply them to the correct areas. If anything, 1060 00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:56.280 all right that I mean, it's just I don't think 1061 00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.119 a slight nerve to blood furnace or shattered her holes 1062 00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:00.719 is going to make people go up in arms and 1063 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:05.119 quit the game. I don't think, Like, I don't know. 1064 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:10.800 Fuck if it was like a five percent damage nerve 1065 01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:12.719 across the board on heroics, I don't know. I'm just 1066 01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:15.800 thinking out loud, fucking anything would be better than what 1067 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.280 we've got right now. But like you know, I'm not 1068 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:20.280 going to fucking quit the game and take my toys 1069 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:25.199 and go home. But it is bizarrely head scratching, So Blizzard, 1070 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:27.679 I mean, I would challenge you guys to come out 1071 01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:29.960 and explain this one to us, because you've got a 1072 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:33.840 bunch of lifelong players who kind of kind of somewhat 1073 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:37.119 and I know you hate armchair devs, but you've got 1074 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.679 a bunch of veterans who kind of know a thing 1075 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.360 or two about the game, pointing at this thing, going 1076 01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:49.199 what why, Like what is the what's the reasoning behind 1077 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.280 this one? So fucking go on, take the PEPSI challenge, 1078 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.159 write a blue post, tell us why I doubledare Yer. 1079 01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:02.000 All right, moving on arena, guys, Arena is a funny 1080 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.679 one to talk about because it was PTR was really 1081 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:08.079 really cool in that arena was just pumping twos threes, 1082 01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:11.639 like we even got fives. I think everyone's doing arena. 1083 01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:14.599 But but blah blah blah. But very important thing to 1084 01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:20.440 take into account for the PTR. It attracts the sweatiest players. 1085 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:23.800 I read a good post today about the arena PTR, 1086 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:26.559 sort of breaking down observations from someone who reckons they've 1087 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.079 played a thousand matches over the last fucking month or whatever, 1088 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:31.599 and it was a good read. But like they sort 1089 01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:33.760 of said, yeah, Okay, there's a lot of sweaties on 1090 01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.320 the arena, but there were some casuals too, And I'm like, 1091 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:40.639 I disagree. I think that the you know, ninety nine 1092 01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:44.000 percent of the people doing arena on the PTR your 1093 01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:47.360 fucking top players. And to be honest with you, guys, 1094 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:49.760 you know we said this last time through TBC. I 1095 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.880 don't know why we have such short memories that That's 1096 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:56.719 one of my most infuriating points about the whole Wow 1097 01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:02.920 Classic franchise as we now go through peat planes of expansions, 1098 01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.280 is how short a memory people have for shit that 1099 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.440 has happened a few years ago, Like we just did 1100 01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:14.039 TBC over twenty one to twenty two. It wasn't that 1101 01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:18.519 fucking long ago. And people already say the wildest shit 1102 01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.119 of things that are going to happen that where we've 1103 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:23.880 literally got the proof of what happened a few years ago, 1104 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.880 that it won't be different this time. So I just 1105 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.079 hear people going like, oh, don't worry, there'll be a 1106 01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:34.000 lifestyle there for the casual in arena in PvP and TBC, 1107 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:39.880 I supremely disagree. Nobody is going to do arena and 1108 01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:42.280 the only people that will be doing it are the 1109 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:46.960 best of the best. Arena will be a fucking nightmare 1110 01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.679 for the vast majority of people. Now again, I hear 1111 01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:55.920 all you people screaming, but Josh, they made changes. They 1112 01:02:56.159 --> 01:03:01.079 lowered the costs of the weapons. Everyone will be doing arena. 1113 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:06.480 Everyone will be doing arena for the gear, and that 1114 01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:11.920 includes the casuals. You are correct sir, congratulations, you're correct. 1115 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.039 The problem is I'm just talking to people who are 1116 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:19.159 actually thinking about properly, like getting stuck into arena. Those 1117 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.960 people will do their ten games and then fuck off 1118 01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.280 from arena. For the week, never to be seen again. 1119 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:29.519 So yeah, okay, if you're spamming Arena, you might get 1120 01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:33.440 the occasional game against the casuals just there for their points, 1121 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:37.639 for their weapons. I personally just think the vast majority 1122 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:41.880 of your games will be against top tier players fucking 1123 01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:43.840 nine out of ten, of wich of which are better 1124 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.480 than you, who have been doing this for twenty fucking years, 1125 01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:48.960 who are going to make you cry and have a 1126 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:53.159 horrible time and want to quit the fucking Arena. I 1127 01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:55.519 will dick around with Arena as much as I can, 1128 01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:00.719 but having seen what I've seen on TBCPTR, it was 1129 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.760 a huge turn off for me. I will do fives 1130 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.159 with the Countdown crew. I will do threes with the 1131 01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:10.039 Countdown crew. I will do two's with Marcus and will 1132 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:12.880 have a great time, but I'm going to play it 1133 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.400 less than I planned, and i will go to Beg's 1134 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.239 more because I've worked out that there's no shame in this. 1135 01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.639 The begser for me, where I'm just not as good 1136 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:25.360 of a PvP player as others, I can go there. 1137 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:28.400 I can make mistakes, I can do my fucking shatter 1138 01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:31.079 combos every now and again and get my dopamine. Doesn't 1139 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:34.119 matter that I die twenty times. I've still had fun 1140 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:38.800 in the arena. When you're losing, it ain't fun. It's 1141 01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:43.440 not fun at all. So I just think that I 1142 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:48.719 respect the TBC PTR does not have matchmaking, and that 1143 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:53.079 you know live will I don't know. Just you PvP 1144 01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:57.039 players please feel free to somewhat politely shout me down 1145 01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:01.800 on this one. But again, it's just awarding to the casual. 1146 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:02.480 Look. 1147 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:05.719 I'm not saying don't go to arena, but again, just 1148 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:10.079 clench your asshole for the potential pounding it may get 1149 01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:12.480 in there, all right. It's just it's not for the 1150 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:15.280 faint of heart. It's really for only the best of 1151 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:19.639 the best, generally speaking. I think that will continue through 1152 01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.599 this iteration of TBC. All right, moving on to pre 1153 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.239 patch time, Guys, I don't know if you can hear 1154 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:27.239 this in what you've just heard in the audio, but 1155 01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:29.840 this is I'm not joking when I say this. You 1156 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:31.360 don't have to believe me. I don't really give a 1157 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:33.159 fuck if you believe me or not. This is a 1158 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:36.079 one take rant, and those of you who have listened 1159 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.039 to me for years will believe me and go. We 1160 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:40.639 know Josh is capable of this. But this is literally 1161 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:42.239 like what I used to do in court for years. 1162 01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:45.639 Like I've now been speaking for sixty five minutes, NonStop 1163 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:50.239 at a relatively high clip, barely taking breaths, trying to 1164 01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:54.880 rattle off at a relatively intellectual and cohesive in an 1165 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:58.920 intellectual and cohesive fashion, and argument moving from point to point. 1166 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.599 I will get very, very tired from this eventually, and 1167 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.039 I'll have to stop in about twenty five minutes. But 1168 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.079 like I promise you, this is unedited. I haven't taken 1169 01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:12.199 one fucking pause, breath anything out. This is just pure 1170 01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:14.679 verbal diarrhea from me. So thank you so much for 1171 01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:17.239 listening to this, and I do apologize if the verbal 1172 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:20.280 diarrhea is a bit much for people. But moving on 1173 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.559 to the pre patch time, Guys, look, I am a 1174 01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:26.880 little shocks that we haven't heard any news yet. By 1175 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:30.119 the time you hear this podcast, we probably will have 1176 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:33.440 had the news. I suspect it will drop. The Classic 1177 01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:35.480 Team will be back in the office next week. I'm sure. 1178 01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.039 I suspect it will drop Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 1179 01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.519 probably Monday Tuesday Wednesday of next week. Given that the 1180 01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:44.159 pre patch as of this recording is ten days away. 1181 01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:46.599 They don't have much fucking time left to drop it, 1182 01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:50.239 so it's obviously coming next week. Look it's funny, I 1183 01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:52.159 said last Friday. I was like, oh, I reckon for 1184 01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:54.159 sure they're going to drop the news today, and someone 1185 01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.840 happily reminded me, Josh, it's the second of January, you 1186 01:06:57.880 --> 01:06:59.599 fucking idiot. They won't be in the office. And I 1187 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.559 was like, oh, yeah, they take holidays. You're right, it 1188 01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:05.760 won't drop today. So look, it is a shame again 1189 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:08.199 kicking the pants up the butt for Blizzard. You know, 1190 01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:10.760 it is shit. I'm not trying to say this, you know, 1191 01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:12.119 with a smile on my face, but it is shit 1192 01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:14.239 making people wait this long. Some people do like to 1193 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:16.800 plan ahead. People would have taken time off for pre patch. 1194 01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:19.000 People want to know what class they're playing, what boosts 1195 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:20.920 they're doing, blah blah blah. I know this is all 1196 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.800 done by design to fucking drive the economics behind the boost, 1197 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:27.639 but it still feels shit not being kept in the 1198 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.320 dark and not having this information. We don't know if 1199 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.599 we're getting a two week, three week, four week pre patch. 1200 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:34.440 People don't know if they're going to have the time 1201 01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:36.920 to level their Paladins or Shamans. We just don't know. 1202 01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:40.119 We don't know what the fucking launch date of TBC is. Again, 1203 01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:42.400 people want to take a week off work to fly 1204 01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:45.360 around and have fun in TBC through launch. They don't 1205 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.760 know when that's coming. You've got to submit, you know, 1206 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:50.559 paid time off weeks in advance. And I know in 1207 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:53.199 the past, and I respect to a certain extent, Blizzard 1208 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:57.280 saying guys, I'm sorry. We don't make announcements based on 1209 01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:00.559 how much fucking time you need to put in PTO. Sorry, 1210 01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:02.679 And I've mostly agreed with that. I've been like, yeah, 1211 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:05.280 you know, you fucking this isn't you know the game 1212 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:09.800 that revolves around people's holiday calendars for the slim slim 1213 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.639 slim slim minority of players that actually take extended time 1214 01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:16.439 off work to play launchers. I am in line with 1215 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:20.239 that thinking. However, I do think this situation has still 1216 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:25.199 somewhat taken the piss. There's there's waiting, you know, there's 1217 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:28.479 not needing to answer to the player base in that regard, 1218 01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:31.039 but then there's waiting too long to drop the news, 1219 01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:34.640 and you have waited too long in this instance. It's 1220 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:36.560 more than a rap over the knuckles. It's a huge 1221 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:38.560 kickup with the ass again to the classic team, And 1222 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.000 I know the Classic team doesn't listen to this podcast 1223 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:43.840 to be fucking just you know, dunked on and you 1224 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:47.560 know this, This stupid fucking Australian just thinks he's fucking 1225 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.119 pulled us into the principal's office and he's giving us 1226 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:52.560 addressing down. Fuck this. I don't need to listen to this. 1227 01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.840 No you don't. And I'm not trying to be that guy, 1228 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.439 but I'm just saying, like, you guys know this, like 1229 01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:00.520 I think that was a logistical mistake and the players 1230 01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:02.680 aren't happy with you for it. So just you know, 1231 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:06.000 there it's been said. Whatever sucks, try and do better 1232 01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:09.840 next time, all right, Although we've been saying that for 1233 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:11.560 years now, like you should have learned a lesson by now. 1234 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:16.720 It's fucking it's pretty ridiculous. The boosts guys, as I said, 1235 01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:19.720 everything has been driven to drive sales of boosts. And 1236 01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:21.800 you know that's that's the economic model. It is what 1237 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.359 it is at this point. That's the reality of MMO 1238 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:27.279 gaming in twenty twenty six. We are now this this 1239 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:30.720 game functions and revolves around people buying that Boost, and 1240 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.640 that's fine. I'm not you know, I don't throw anyone 1241 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.159 under the boat these days, under the bus these days 1242 01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.479 for buying the Boost. Fucking I've said. I've bought one 1243 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.039 or two Boosts in the past over the last four years. Now. 1244 01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:42.239 I'm not proud of it, but I've done it. And 1245 01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.680 you know, Blizzard, you know, I don't know if I'm 1246 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:49.039 getting a freebie this time around through TBC, So if 1247 01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:51.359 I play an oult, I will have to buy a Boost, 1248 01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:54.720 and I do it. I'm not again, the price is disgusting, 1249 01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:58.279 But as we sort of joked about in discord chat 1250 01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.760 a few days ago, and what I've said on the 1251 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:05.920 podcast in previous episodes is I you know, perhaps again 1252 01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:08.720 the suggestions don't come from this podcast, but I've said before, 1253 01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:13.119 if I were Blizzard, I would make the Boost disgustingly expensive, 1254 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:16.079 knowing that every Wow addict there under the sun will 1255 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:18.199 pay it regardless. They'll bitch and moan, and they'll bitch 1256 01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:20.479 and moan and then they'll buy it anyway. So at 1257 01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:24.079 the end of the day, your your fucking objections are 1258 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:28.399 meaningless if you continue to buy the products. It sounds 1259 01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.840 really harsh to say but I'm I still mostly stand 1260 01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.600 by that, but you know, I will also say the 1261 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:38.880 price is ridiculous. I've lambasted Blizzard for years over the 1262 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.000 price of their digital goods, you know, things like server transfers, 1263 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:47.439 things like name changes are disgustingly priced, but they do 1264 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.560 it because people keep buying them. I personally generally don't. 1265 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:54.199 Like I said, I think I've bought two boosts over 1266 01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:56.880 four years, which, hey, I'm still part of the problem. 1267 01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.920 Haven't bought any name changes that I know of, but like, 1268 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.479 you know, I have bought a service swap, so then again, 1269 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:04.720 I'm part of the problem. So it's kind of like 1270 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:06.399 what can we do. We sit here and we bitch 1271 01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:08.319 about it, but then we feed the beasts. So like, 1272 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.439 joke's on us at the end of the day. But yeah, 1273 01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:11.800 I said, if I was a Blizzard and I was 1274 01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:13.600 driving the bottom line, I had to report back to 1275 01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:17.319 the shareholders fucking make the booster squillion dollars, you know 1276 01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:20.800 what I mean. I'm being hyperbolic, obviously, but like, let's 1277 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:24.520 let's push them. And you are being pushed right now, 1278 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.439 and I'm betting that unfortunately or fortunately or it doesn't 1279 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:31.479 really matter, those boosts are still going to sell like hotcakes. 1280 01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:36.039 So you know, it's on us to speak with our wallets, 1281 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:39.199 and we generally don't. And I'm I'm in the crowd here. 1282 01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:42.039 I'm not trying. I'm not doing holier than now because 1283 01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:45.479 I've bought Boost. Guys, I'm sorry, I'm you know, part 1284 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.279 of the problem. So they say it. You know, a 1285 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.560 lot of you won't like me talking this way about Boost, 1286 01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:51.920 but that's you know, we've done the Boost thing on 1287 01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:54.039 the podcast before and that's just how it goes. That's 1288 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:58.800 the economics. But anyway, look, it would be great if 1289 01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:02.760 they announce a Boost only price because a lot of 1290 01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:04.840 you have brought this up. It's very very obvious that 1291 01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:06.640 they've only got the package there on the shop at 1292 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:09.920 the moment. That's very expensive. No, Josh, don't worry. They'll 1293 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:15.000 release the cheaper standalone standalone Boost soon. I hope they do. 1294 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:19.880 But in all honesty, I'm sitting there going will they 1295 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.680 will they? Like if they sell me a million of 1296 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:27.279 these boosts? Why would they? I don't know. I just 1297 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:31.520 I don't know what's going to happen. I you know, 1298 01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:33.920 I'm not like people good choke and be a fucking 1299 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:36.560 idiot and go like, look at this guy, like begging 1300 01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.359 to give more money to Blizzard is such a shill. 1301 01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:43.000 I want to pay fucking nothing for a Boost, your dickheads. 1302 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:46.960 I want to pay less. I want the Boost standalone package. 1303 01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:49.920 I still hold out hope they'll do it, but it 1304 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:54.119 wouldn't fucking blow my mind if they didn't. So let's 1305 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.680 wait and see. Guys, if you're boosting classes, if you 1306 01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:01.039 are using the Boost, you know it is expensive. Just 1307 01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.359 be sure you know what you want. Try it out 1308 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:06.960 on the PTR first. Don't just you know, please don't 1309 01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:10.119 buy a boost, play the class up to level sixty three, 1310 01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:12.279 work out you fucking hate it, and then you know 1311 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.239 you go and just feed them and buy another one. 1312 01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:17.000 Please just try it on PTR first. I don't want 1313 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:21.439 you guys going broke over this stupid fucking game PTA 1314 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:27.560 three words PTR. I'm screaming begging you to try it. Guys. 1315 01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:30.800 The I think interestingly that you know a lot of 1316 01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.239 you have parroted what I've been saying, that you know 1317 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.199 this TBC iteration will be a lot of fun, will 1318 01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:38.239 be together playing it and all that stuff. But like 1319 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.560 we're just here while waiting for Classic Plus let's be 1320 01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:43.560 honest with you. Let's be honest with people. This is 1321 01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:46.840 the classic plus waiting room. That's not the TBC is bad, 1322 01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:50.920 but it's not like, you know, the greatest game ever invented. 1323 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.279 Sorry to say, TBC fans. I think there will be 1324 01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:58.600 a huge drop off after phase one. I really really do. 1325 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:02.239 I genuinely think about ten weeks into TBC, there's going 1326 01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.359 to be a lot of people dropping off. They've done 1327 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:07.479 their their handful of Karazens, they've leveled to seventy, they've 1328 01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:11.479 tried and all, and they'll just go, thanks, got that 1329 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.760 out of my system. No SSC or TK for me. 1330 01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.119 Have fun with that, nerds, I'll go play other games. 1331 01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:22.159 I just think it's coming. I would love to think 1332 01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:24.600 that everyone in our guild will mostly say together, we 1333 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:26.479 shall see. We've got the two raid teams. I'd love 1334 01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:30.560 to keep fifty is fifty. But you know, the reality 1335 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:32.640 part of my brain is going, you know, the fuck 1336 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:35.239 that two raid teams could become one in phase two. 1337 01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:40.159 We shall see. But yeah, I just think that. You know, 1338 01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:42.840 we say on this podcast in the core coming up 1339 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:46.640 that September ain't that far away, guys. We're eight and 1340 01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:48.880 a half months away from what I anticipate to be 1341 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:51.960 the Classic Plus announcement of Bliscon, and I anticipate them 1342 01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:54.399 saying that you can play it pretty shortly after Bliscon. 1343 01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.560 This time is going to go relatively quickly, I think, 1344 01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:03.239 you know, Geo politics notwithstanding that may drag the year on, 1345 01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:10.239 but guys, it's seriously coming. Okay, this is the waiting 1346 01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:12.520 room and we will be playing Classic Plus. I think 1347 01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:14.279 sooner than we realize. We're just gonna wake up one 1348 01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:16.319 day and it'll be here. So let's have fun. Let's 1349 01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:20.279 get through the TBC thing. You know, play other games 1350 01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:22.359 if you need to, but you know, give TBC a 1351 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.800 go as well. If you're a Countdown listener, you know 1352 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:27.920 one way to have more fun in TBC. If you 1353 01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:31.000 are considering dropping off after phase one, just play with 1354 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:34.239 the countdown guys, trust me, you'll have more fun. The 1355 01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:36.960 community is fucking amazing. Sorry to suck my own dick, 1356 01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:39.640 but we've got a great crew here, and it's only 1357 01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:42.079 you know, when you listen to the call that's coming up, 1358 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:45.920 you'll realize what I'm talking about. It's abundantly clear that 1359 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:49.560 these are great fucking people. You know, they're so easy 1360 01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:53.920 to manage. We're going to have a large guild. Everyone's wonderful. 1361 01:15:55.920 --> 01:16:01.640 Dive into the social waters to put your fun experience 1362 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:05.079 in this expansion on steroids. I can't emphasize that enough. 1363 01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:08.439 Stop being shy, Come say hello to us, Dive into 1364 01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:10.199 a voice channel and say hey, guys. I don't normally 1365 01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:12.199 come and talk to you, but you know, I wanted 1366 01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:15.319 to come and say hi. We love hearing from new people. 1367 01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:17.279 We're not pricks. We're not going to be like, who 1368 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:19.479 the fuck is this guy? You're not busting up a 1369 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:23.079 click or anything like that. The whole point of this 1370 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:25.560 thing is to meet new people and socialize. Come to 1371 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:28.399 the bar, come say gooday, don't quit the game, Jump 1372 01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:30.319 in the voice channel, come to a raid with us. 1373 01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:35.840 We'll sort you out. Okay. But on that note, guys, obviously, 1374 01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:39.720 the next you know, hour and a half, two and 1375 01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:41.039 a half hours that you're going to hear when I 1376 01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:43.039 sign off soon is going to be about the Countdown 1377 01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:45.600 Guild and the serious that the guys that have signed 1378 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.960 up to regularly raid and be somewhat serious raiders. And 1379 01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:50.720 when I say serious raiders, I just meet in terms 1380 01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:53.199 of commitment. They've said you know. Yeah, I'll rock up 1381 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:55.079 to seventy or eighty percent of the raids on this night. 1382 01:16:55.159 --> 01:17:00.720 Let's fucking go. If you do want to be number one, 1383 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:02.640 if you want to be a part of Countdown, We're 1384 01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:04.560 going to be a large guild. We're not a zer guild, 1385 01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:06.399 but we will be a large guild. Just do what 1386 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:08.479 you got to do. Join the discord, hit me up, 1387 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:10.479 get in contact somehow, and come and join us, and 1388 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:14.159 come play on dreamsythe hoard side with all the Countdown crew. 1389 01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:17.479 We'd love to have you bing bang boom done outside 1390 01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:19.119 of that, if you're not just a casual that wants 1391 01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:20.720 to join and chat with us, if you actually want 1392 01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:24.560 to raid. I am in the midst now of building 1393 01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:29.079 a third rate team. Okay, Okay, you might not. It 1394 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:30.960 might not have like a boatload of people that you 1395 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:33.239 hear on the podcast in the third rate team, but 1396 01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:35.359 it's still going to have a couple of voices maybe, 1397 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:37.560 and they're still going to be good people. It's still 1398 01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:39.720 going to have that Countdown vibe. I'll keep an eye 1399 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:41.840 on things, and you know, I sort of make the 1400 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:44.199 joke in this call that it's like being a franchise 1401 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:46.920 e of the Countdown Corporation. You know what I mean. Like, 1402 01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:51.119 you'll get to use the countdown recipe. Take the Countdown people, 1403 01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:54.640 you know, grab the Countdown vibes and apply them to 1404 01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:58.239 a kind of build your own raid within the Countdown umbrella. 1405 01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:02.399 Under the Countdown umbrella, I should say so, I will 1406 01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:06.960 put a sign up sheet in the announcements channel of 1407 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:11.720 the Countdown Discord, a new sign up sheet and just say, guys, 1408 01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:16.279 this is now. People who still want to regularly raid, 1409 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:20.359 please don't sign up to the raid sheet. If you're 1410 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:22.399 just gonna raid every now and again. If you're the 1411 01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:24.680 guy who's just like, I'm happy just to pug a 1412 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:27.479 Karazan every now and then. Oh I'll fill in when 1413 01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:30.039 they need me. Oh yeah, I'll just you know, if 1414 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.119 someone needs me, I'll be available. That's great. We will 1415 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:36.119 have plenty of pugs going. I have no doubt that 1416 01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:38.359 you can get in on that fun with But leave 1417 01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:41.319 the sign up sheet for the guys who look at 1418 01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:44.119 the time and go, yep, I'm available seventy to eighty 1419 01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:46.439 percent of the time on that raid night, I will 1420 01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:48.279 be there. I want to be part of a core group. 1421 01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:51.159 Let's do this. They can all sign up to the sheet. Guys, 1422 01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:54.640 I'm setting. I am setting the time. I'm taking the 1423 01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:56.800 decision out of your hands for that third raid group. 1424 01:18:56.920 --> 01:18:59.920 If we fill it out, this will be a sun 1425 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:06.279 Night eight pm Eastern raid. That's five pm Pacific on Sunday, 1426 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:11.840 four pm Central. Sorry, seven pm Central, I should say, sorry, 1427 01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:16.399 fuck this up eight pm Eastern, seven pm Central, five 1428 01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:22.279 pm Pacific. Okay, on Sunday night. For European folks, that 1429 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:25.439 means it's probably out of the question. I think that 1430 01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:28.640 means two am for you guys, So no Europeans will 1431 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:33.199 be in this one, I highly doubt. For you Oceanic people, 1432 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.359 on the off chance you don't work on a Monday, 1433 01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:42.399 it would be a mid day raid if you're in Sydney, okay. 1434 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:44.600 So if you're free in the middle of the day 1435 01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:49.199 on a Monday and you're Oceanya, then consider signing up. Okay. 1436 01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:51.880 And for you guys in Southeast Asia, it'll be around 1437 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.159 ten o'clock in the morning on a Monday, all right, 1438 01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:58.560 So keeping that time in mind if you absolutely want 1439 01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:03.359 to form part of a fucking KIS countdown vibes, non meta, 1440 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:07.760 non sweaty, non passing, non gold buying raid group, sign 1441 01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:10.800 up to the sheet that I have put in the 1442 01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:15.439 countdown discord. There's already five or six people that overflow 1443 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:17.640 from the first two raids that I've filled out that 1444 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:20.079 I'll throw in and keep in mind in the third team. 1445 01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:22.600 All right, so let's build that one out. Sign up 1446 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:26.119 no matter what spec and class you are, and we'll 1447 01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:28.079 sort it out, all right. I'll make it work and 1448 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:31.279 help you. Will nominate a raid leader and I'll work 1449 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:34.199 with them as best I can to set their franchise up. Okay, 1450 01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:42.039 So outside of that, guys, as you'll hear, my raid 1451 01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:45.000 team has twenty five people. So where said, we're going 1452 01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:47.279 to use the guild as a bench. So we'll keep 1453 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:48.920 an eye on people that are keen to fill in 1454 01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:50.800 and pug where they can, and we'll give you some 1455 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:53.479 gear and come help us out when people can't turn up. 1456 01:20:54.039 --> 01:20:58.479 And the that's the Saturday Night Raid. The Friday Night 1457 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:03.680 Raid is still looking for two healers and a DPS. 1458 01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:08.479 I believe they have a preference for too holy priests 1459 01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:12.439 and an affliction warlock, so bear that in mind. But 1460 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:17.920 they now kind of have the benefit of choice, I believe, 1461 01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:23.600 so they would take anyone, but they have preferences, So 1462 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:28.720 liaise with LASM this is more Lazars and and you know, 1463 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:33.159 Vestige and Easies. Baby over there on the Friday team, 1464 01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:35.960 liaise with them and myself if you need help and 1465 01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:38.199 seeing if we can hook you up and fill out 1466 01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:40.960 those slots. But I've no doubt those slots will fill quickly, 1467 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:45.840 so reach out asap if you hear this podcast. So yeah, guys, look, 1468 01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:49.119 that's what we'll be doing. You all know what we 1469 01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:52.119 do here at countdown By Now we're all mature adults. 1470 01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:55.479 We don't fuck around like idiots, and we just have 1471 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:58.359 fun and drink beers together and you know, without being 1472 01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:01.760 drunken idiots. That's what we do. Okay, So please get 1473 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:04.880 on board. If you're a longtime listener on of this podcast, 1474 01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:08.279 this is the first time we're making a concerted, universal 1475 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:10.600 effort to really get a big guild together and do 1476 01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.520 this seriously. I want it to work so we can 1477 01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:17.600 simply transplant you all over to Classic Plus when that drops. 1478 01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:21.039 So this is the test run, but it's really getting 1479 01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:24.600 the steam going behind the engine to plow into Classic Plus. 1480 01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:30.199 So fucking follow me to victory, everyone, guys. That's pretty 1481 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:34.920 much it look it's funny. I was laughing that this 1482 01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:37.439 TVC anniversary would have been a great time for the 1483 01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:41.479 Classic team to test out things like the shared group 1484 01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:44.000 drops that we saw in Epoch that we're all demanding 1485 01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:47.239 should be in fucking Classic Plus. Sadly, you know, they 1486 01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:49.119 haven't done anything like that. Would have been just the 1487 01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:51.560 best time to try it, not so much a good 1488 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:54.920 time to try cross faction because obviously on the PvE server, 1489 01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:57.960 because obviously everyone's already got their guild set up and everything. 1490 01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:01.239 But yeah, I think they really miss the boat on 1491 01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:04.880 trialing shared group lute for this one. But we'll talk 1492 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:08.159 about Classic Plus stuff later, guys. I keep doing this 1493 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:11.479 to the Epoch guys. I promise you a big Epoch 1494 01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:14.439 podcast is coming eventually where we review Epoch and sort 1495 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:17.439 of say this is what Classic Plus should have, but 1496 01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:21.039 just just not yet. One day, one day, I promise. Guys. 1497 01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:23.319 I've now been speaking for an hour and twenty three 1498 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:27.800 minutes NonStop. I'm fucking tired. I now warmly welcome you 1499 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:31.439 to listen in to the first ever Countdown Guild meeting. 1500 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:35.399 Get to know the personalities. I will be producing videos 1501 01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:38.039 of these raids where I can you will get to 1502 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:40.800 know these people. You'll get to love these people. Please 1503 01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:43.439 embrace them as warmly as you have myself and welcome 1504 01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:46.880 them into your hearts. There are a wonderful cast of characters, 1505 01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:49.880 and I will see you on the next Countdown to 1506 01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:52.000 Classic after you listen to this call. Enjoy the next 1507 01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:59.319 two and a half hours. Bye everyone. All right, you 1508 01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:02.319 could hear a pin drop in here as everyone was 1509 01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:05.279 being on their best behavior for minutes as I tried 1510 01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:07.880 to set up the stream. And that's the kind of 1511 01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:10.880 discipline that I'll be looking for in a group of raiders. 1512 01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:13.760 What amazing people. Thank you so much everyone for tuning 1513 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:16.960 in to this episode of Countdown to Classic. This is 1514 01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:18.880 a bit of a fun and special one in that 1515 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:24.520 we'll be recording the first of hopefully a few Countdown 1516 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.760 Guild meetings. So, guys, if you don't know, Countdown is 1517 01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:31.720 putting a big old fashioned guild together for TBC anniversary. 1518 01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:35.199 The reason I'm doing it, and look, I've sort of 1519 01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:37.640 tried to do guilts in the past to you know, 1520 01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:42.239 not much effort or success. But look, we fight it 1521 01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:44.560 up in Epoch and it went really well, and so 1522 01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:46.600 we were kind of like, huh, you know, the world 1523 01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:49.520 wide Guild thing worked really well, and so I thought, 1524 01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:52.960 you know, Classic Plus is not that far down the track. 1525 01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:55.880 Bliss Coon's coming up in September. You know, it's only 1526 01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:59.520 eight months away, eight and a half months away, and 1527 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:02.520 I would I'd love to replicate the amazing feeling we 1528 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:05.239 got out of the Epoch Guild in Classic Plus, getting 1529 01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:07.119 as much of you guys from around the world together 1530 01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:09.319 on the one surver as we can. So I thought, 1531 01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:14.199 what a great opportunity the TVC anniversary presents as a 1532 01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:18.199 trial run or just you know, getting some experience under 1533 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:21.760 my wings as a first time GM. To just bring 1534 01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:26.279 the group together again, work it out, solidify some relationships, 1535 01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:29.119 and then go into fucking Classic Plus storming. That would 1536 01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:32.560 be fantastic. So I said, fuck it all right. Ordinarily, 1537 01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:34.560 I've not wanted to take on the pressure or the 1538 01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:37.520 work that you know, a guild leader generally has to, 1539 01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:40.199 but I'll give it a go this time. And I'll 1540 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:41.840 tell you what. The last few days have been a 1541 01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:45.399 whirlwind of responsibility and management and rostering, but it's been 1542 01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:49.159 you know, fun for the most part. But I have 1543 01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:51.520 called a guild meeting and we've got a shitload of 1544 01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:54.159 the guys here on the call. There's about you know, 1545 01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:57.720 fucking twenty of us here, which is fantastic, and everyone's 1546 01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.439 just going to chime in, shoot the shit, and we're 1547 01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.199 going to talk our hopes and dreams for TBC anniversary. 1548 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.560 What we're playing, what we hope to achieve is a raid. 1549 01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:09.039 You know, we'll discuss things like, hey, hard res items, 1550 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:10.960 what are we going to hard reds? What kind of 1551 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:13.319 people do you think they should go to? Hey, what 1552 01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:15.680 loot system are we going to adopt? Well, I've already 1553 01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:17.279 made my mind up on that, but I still want 1554 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:20.159 to discuss it with the guys for feedback, so well, 1555 01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:23.319 iron out the kinks in this call on just the 1556 01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:27.760 general rating setup for countdown moving forward. Now, I appreciate 1557 01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:30.479 that not everyone here on the call today may necessarily 1558 01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:33.640 wind up rating you know, irl happens, that's all fine, 1559 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:35.640 But for the most part, a lot of these guys 1560 01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:37.399 will be there with us as we go through the 1561 01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:42.199 content in TBC. So like, basically, I'm just letting you 1562 01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:44.880 guys be a fly on the wall, on the outside 1563 01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:48.279 looking in, hearing how this guild comes together. But I 1564 01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:49.960 don't want you to feel like you have to be 1565 01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.800 on the outside looking in, Because obviously, if you're listening 1566 01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:55.960 to this podcast, you are part of the Countdown community. 1567 01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:59.000 We would love nothing more than to bring you into 1568 01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:02.000 the fold. So while you're going to hear two raid 1569 01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:04.880 teams that I've basically set up over the last forty 1570 01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:07.920 eight hours, there's a couple of slots that will advertise 1571 01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:10.600 for through the call that you'll hear. But I don't 1572 01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:13.560 want you to think, oh shit, Countdown sorted. Now I 1573 01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:16.359 can't raid with the Countdown crew. No, no, no, no no. 1574 01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:20.840 I've put together two raid teams with not that much 1575 01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:24.760 effort in about seventy two hours. So I dare say 1576 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.119 when I publish this podcast, more of you will come 1577 01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:29.079 out of the weeds and say, hey, I want to 1578 01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:33.600 raid with Countdown people. So let's work on building a 1579 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:36.439 third team. You know, I won't say three, four, five, 1580 01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:39.479 let's just start on number three. See if number three 1581 01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.359 fills out. So all of you listening at home that 1582 01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:45.039 want to raid, and I mean regularly raid, not just 1583 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:48.520 like you know once every month as a pug raid, 1584 01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:50.680 you know, we'll have plenty of those guys that there's 1585 01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:53.039 nothing wrong with that. That's fine, But if you did 1586 01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:56.840 have dreams of regularly raiding on dream size hoored with us. 1587 01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:01.640 Please join the discord and tag and yell out. I 1588 01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:05.039 am rostering everyone and putting this shit together. I need 1589 01:28:05.079 --> 01:28:07.600 you to help me, help you, because we can build 1590 01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:09.880 something beautiful here at Countdown, have it and just have 1591 01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:12.399 Like I sort of have framed it to the guys 1592 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:16.520 as something as consider it halfway between a z guild 1593 01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:19.279 and a regular serious guild. So you've got your sweaty 1594 01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:22.000 regular guilds that have one raid team and do their thing. 1595 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:24.720 We're not those guys. We're not meta focused. We're not 1596 01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:27.640 a small guild. We can't bring you that experience. But 1597 01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:29.920 then on the other end, while we are a large guild, 1598 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:32.199 we're not the zer guild full of fuck with who 1599 01:28:32.239 --> 01:28:34.680 don't know each other, five six, seven hundred people in 1600 01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:38.359 the guild, everyone dropping and changing every day of the week. 1601 01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:40.880 They're not a real guild. It's fucking bullshit. I hate 1602 01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:43.840 that shit. We are something halfway between where we're going 1603 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.720 to be a very large guild. There's already two hundred 1604 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:48.760 people in the guild before pre patches even launched. You know, 1605 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:50.960 I imagine that's going to go up significantly once people 1606 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:54.079 get into pre patch and start boosting, so we'll get 1607 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:57.479 more people. Well, I'm sure we'll have pug rades going 1608 01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.479 for the casuals, and I'm sure that we'll get more 1609 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:03.479 serious raid opportunity to open up for the people that 1610 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:07.640 want that. So contact me if you want to raid 1611 01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:10.640 seriously and let me know and we'll sort it out. 1612 01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:13.399 And as always, keep an eye on the discord notifications. 1613 01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:16.119 All right, Having said all that, let's throw it open 1614 01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:20.079 to this motley crew of dustardly raiders. You know, these 1615 01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:22.720 are the personalities you're going to hear on the show 1616 01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:26.279 for the next six months, doing things like raid breakdowns, 1617 01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:29.479 kangaroo courts, laughs and smiles, all that kind of stuff. 1618 01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:33.920 I'll be putting up YouTube content featuring these guys, you 1619 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:35.399 know what I mean. So the guys who there are 1620 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:37.039 two raid teams at the moment, the guys who are 1621 01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:39.800 on my raid team, you know, their raids will be 1622 01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.920 thrown up on YouTube. I will, if I have the time, 1623 01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:46.720 edit them down for a more comedic, condensed version. So 1624 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.000 we'll try and make some of these guys well famous. 1625 01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:52.359 We'll all have a bit of a laugh, and you know, 1626 01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:54.119 it's just about having a good time. With the right 1627 01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:56.760 kind of people, and I'll introduce some of those people 1628 01:29:56.760 --> 01:29:59.159 to you right now. So, guys, what I want to do, 1629 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:04.000 if you will humor me slightly, let's because there's quite 1630 01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:05.880 a few of us. Let's do this in like, you know, 1631 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.279 twenty to thirty seconds or less. I just want to 1632 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:10.880 go down the list and I want you to introduce yourselves, 1633 01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:14.640 tell people what you're playing, and I want them to 1634 01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:19.720 tell a little bit about you as your much as 1635 01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:24.439 you're willing to publish on a global podcast. So you know, 1636 01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:26.880 I might say, Hi, my name's Josh, I'm forty three 1637 01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:29.960 years old, I run Away Podcasts and from Brisbane, Australia, 1638 01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:33.119 playing a Fury Warrior and you know this is my 1639 01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:35.279 third time round on TBC. Can't wait to get in 1640 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:37.960 with you. Guys. I love fucking heroics. Blah blah blah 1641 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:40.079 blah blah. Just give me as much info as you're 1642 01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:42.119 willing to publicly get out there so people get to 1643 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.039 know a bit more about you, because your fellow raiders 1644 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:48.199 who aren't here but listen back to this podcast might 1645 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:49.680 want to hear it and get to know you a 1646 01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:52.479 bit better. So Axel, if you would please do us 1647 01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:54.640 the honors in about thirty seconds or less. Mate, tell 1648 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:56.359 us who you are and what you're about. 1649 01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:01.920 Let's see thirty five. You get father to a young child, 1650 01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:05.760 which is my main focus right now, recent transplant from 1651 01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:10.800 US to EU. I'm going to be playing either an 1652 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:14.800 our team age, which you've already got leveled, or maybe 1653 01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:17.239 an enhancement Shaman if I can get that one leveled 1654 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:21.920 in time. And I have not really played much of 1655 01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:25.279 TVC outside of leveling through it one time, so I 1656 01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:27.760 don't know any of the raids, so and I've made 1657 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:30.520 cook On out of my way to best not spoil 1658 01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:31.800 as much as I can. 1659 01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:35.199 Very good, though, all right, cost it yourself, hit us 1660 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:36.840 all right? 1661 01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:41.800 Forty seven, lived in the Midwest and in the USA. 1662 01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:47.079 I've got one kid who is much like actual primary 1663 01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:51.720 focus for me. I've been a part of the wild 1664 01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:58.039 community since Vanilla initially bounced around a lot, you know, 1665 01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:01.920 and I've as the name states, I am a mage. 1666 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:06.079 I've been a mage for twenty years, so very good. 1667 01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:08.920 Five shot mate, you been with us for years? Tell 1668 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:09.680 us more about you. 1669 01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:13.239 Yeah, I've been playing since Vanilla, and I've been part 1670 01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:16.319 of the Countdown crew as it were, since I think 1671 01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:19.039 just before TBC, I did the one of the road calls. 1672 01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:21.880 I'm thirty seven years old. I've always made a rogue 1673 01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:24.560 and been making PvP videos since back in the day. 1674 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:28.039 I don't really anymore, but currently I'm in a band, 1675 01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:31.000 I'm on three hockey teams, and so I just want 1676 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.039 to kick it back raid once a week with these 1677 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:36.399 fine gentlemen. As an affliction, Warlock can give the lucky 1678 01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:37.760 Raid a cursive elements. 1679 01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:40.640 Beautiful. That's the kind of info I want. Boys. What 1680 01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:41.760 are you playing the band? 1681 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:43.760 Five? Lead guitar? 1682 01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:46.039 Very good? And what position do you play in? Hockey? 1683 01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:47.479 Center? 1684 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:48.199 Left wing? 1685 01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:51.319 Very very good? All right, Jordan, do you want to 1686 01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:51.840 get in on this? 1687 01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:52.039 Man? 1688 01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:53.600 I know you're not on one of the right teams, 1689 01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:56.039 but you want to raid with some of the pugs, 1690 01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:57.319 maybe through with countdown? 1691 01:32:57.520 --> 01:32:57.760 Sure? 1692 01:32:57.920 --> 01:32:58.960 Sure, yes. 1693 01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.920 I'm a thirty four year old engineer from North Carolina. 1694 01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:04.479 Also have a one year old, which is why I'm 1695 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:07.760 not planning on being on the Raid team. Unfortunately, she's 1696 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:11.319 quite a handful. But TBC is my favorite expansion, been 1697 01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:13.399 playing since two thousand and five and having played it 1698 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:15.439 twice now I can say for sure it's the best one. 1699 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:18.920 So really looking forward to that. We'll certainly be jumping 1700 01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:20.880 in some caras with you guys. 1701 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:23.640 Very good. Can we move on to the if you 1702 01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:27.439 don't mind me saying the actually named green? Right, what 1703 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:28.720 about your. 1704 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:34.079 I'm a stoner dad from Texas named green? 1705 01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:34.640 You know? 1706 01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:39.199 Fits played a lot of Wow. I did a lot 1707 01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:42.640 of rating in SOD. I played SOD like the whole 1708 01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:43.239 way through. 1709 01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:46.560 Yeah, tell them, tell them what you told me before 1710 01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:51.399 we started recording about how many SOOD profession people you've got. 1711 01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:53.479 Oh, it was ridiculous. 1712 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:57.760 So I had a shaman tank and I boosted ten 1713 01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:04.000 characters to just be dual leatherworking tailoring and just had 1714 01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:05.359 all those cool downs. 1715 01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:11.760 I got like ten k golder, you fucking degenerate. I 1716 01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:13.720 love it. I love it all right, anything, tell us 1717 01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.399 anything more about you before I pass it over? 1718 01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:19.119 Uh, sell snack foods for a living. 1719 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:22.239 If I got some kids, they they take up a 1720 01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:22.840 lot of time. 1721 01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:23.760 I don't know. 1722 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:25.800 Just kind of chilling with the boys right now. 1723 01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:28.600 That's the way, all right, Grimwaw throw it over to you, 1724 01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:29.199 my man. 1725 01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:31.079 Hey. 1726 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:34.119 Yeah, I've been you know, listening for a long time, 1727 01:34:34.199 --> 01:34:37.199 so I'm excited to get in here and hang out 1728 01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:41.079 with you guys and do some rating, but I'll be 1729 01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:43.600 probably playing a maje or palade and I guess, but 1730 01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:47.520 I'm pretty new to WOW. Really, I've kind of just 1731 01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:50.920 started with twenty eighteen Classic, but I played SOD quite 1732 01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:52.680 a bit. That's where I really got into it was 1733 01:34:52.720 --> 01:34:56.920 in SOD. So this is my first time around in TBC. 1734 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:01.000 Excited to see these have never been in Carozone or 1735 01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:01.800 anything after that. 1736 01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:05.239 Oh exciting, very exciting. Now, mate, you don't have to say, 1737 01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:06.840 but out of interest, what part of the world are 1738 01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:07.720 you from'm I'm sure if you. 1739 01:35:07.640 --> 01:35:11.159 Said I'm American? I I live in Utah. 1740 01:35:11.359 --> 01:35:18.199 Very good, very good. Now the fucking the troublemaker himself, Marcus, 1741 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:21.000 What have we not heard from you over all these 1742 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:22.640 years that the good people should know? 1743 01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:26.560 I turned forty yesterday. 1744 01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:28.680 That's relatively new birthday. 1745 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:33.880 May I'm a Yes, I'm a forty year old mechanical fitter. 1746 01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:37.640 And yeah, I've played a lot of Wow. This will 1747 01:35:37.640 --> 01:35:42.520 actually be my third time through the Burning Crusade, so 1748 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:45.880 I've been around for a while, but this time it 1749 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:50.359 is Resto Druid. That's the one that was locked in yesterday, 1750 01:35:51.720 --> 01:35:55.760 and I think that's probably the best choice for me 1751 01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:58.520 and the guild. Really, there's a lot of majors. There's 1752 01:35:58.560 --> 01:35:59.560 not a lot of druids. 1753 01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:03.720 I like the heel and rest I drew. It is 1754 01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:05.479 just absolutely cracked. 1755 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.479 You know how. You know how I know we're rating 1756 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:11.399 with the right pack of counts markers because you just 1757 01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:14.039 said it was your birthday and fucking not one of 1758 01:36:14.039 --> 01:36:15.680 them outside of me said happy birthday. 1759 01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:21.760 Yeah, yeah, classy, it's actually it's actually probably still my 1760 01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:24.359 birthday for some of these Yanks, you know, because like 1761 01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:26.520 they're back in time, aren't they. 1762 01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:30.479 So that's the second way. That's the way Classic countdown. 1763 01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:33.159 All right, lads, hit us mate. 1764 01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:35.880 I'm just here to wish Marcus a happy birthday. 1765 01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:39.720 Ah, here you go. Now, so that that crawling that. 1766 01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:47.880 I'm a forty one year old lawyer in the United States, 1767 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:55.640 and I plead wow very casually, Vanilla threw Wrath and 1768 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:58.720 I quit, and then I came back for Classic, mostly 1769 01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:00.840 because I was listening to your podcast, asked from uh 1770 01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:03.600 actually probably about a year before Classic even released, or 1771 01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:08.359 a couple of months, and then I played Paladin Classic 1772 01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:14.760 through Wrath played SOD, I was made a prot Pali 1773 01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:19.199 and uh so I'm coming back for coming back for TBC. 1774 01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:21.520 I played Epoch, I joined the Countdown crew in Epoch. 1775 01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:24.840 Uh with you guys, had a great time, and uh, 1776 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:27.239 coming back for TBC for the third time now. 1777 01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:30.880 Very good, Very good? All right, we move on. Mackotsu 1778 01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:31.279 hit me. 1779 01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:34.960 Hey, I'm I'm maggot to you, guys. Just call me Mac. 1780 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:39.479 I'm twenty eight, eleve in Las Vegas. I've been playing 1781 01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:41.760 Wow for way too long, since i was seven years old, 1782 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:46.399 and I'm just excited to vibe with the boys in TBC. 1783 01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:47.239 Very good. 1784 01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:49.359 If you don't pal being the youngest well player. 1785 01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:50.800 Yeah, I was gonna say you might be the youngest 1786 01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:53.800 in Yeah, and uh, I've always been the youngest in Wow. 1787 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:55.640 So I guess I'm just used to it. I'll be, 1788 01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:57.560 I'll be when I'm forty. Else I'll be the youngest 1789 01:37:57.560 --> 01:37:58.000 well player. 1790 01:37:58.079 --> 01:37:58.359 Huh. 1791 01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:01.279 Very good. Mat, I'll getting, I'll getting, And you don't 1792 01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:03.039 have to answer if you don't want to. As we 1793 01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:05.479 say in Australia, what do you do for a crust? 1794 01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:07.119 Which means what do you do for work? 1795 01:38:08.399 --> 01:38:10.000 Right now, I'm just delivering for Amazon. 1796 01:38:10.359 --> 01:38:14.039 Fair enough, fair enough, and what I'm trying to think 1797 01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:16.600 what other bit of info can we get out of 1798 01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:18.760 you that tells us a bit more about you. Do 1799 01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:21.720 you play sports? 1800 01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:23.800 Not in a while, but I used to play basketball. Oh, 1801 01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:28.920 my man, basketball when I was younger. Watch I know 1802 01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:32.960 my attention span so Fried, I can't sit down anymore. 1803 01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:36.159 That's all good, that's all good. And so you might 1804 01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:39.319 have said, what do you what are you playing? What class? 1805 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:40.720 What was that? What class are you playing? 1806 01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:40.840 Oh? 1807 01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:42.920 I'm sorry, I'm playing a fiery Warrior. 1808 01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:44.920 I'm just another dirty Warrior player. 1809 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:48.479 There you go. That's the way, all right now, Mazie, 1810 01:38:48.600 --> 01:38:51.199 I believe is driving with Yak. So we'll come back 1811 01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:55.279 to them later. Let's throw it over to oh Marcus, 1812 01:38:55.319 --> 01:38:57.319 one of your favorites, Moose person. 1813 01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:03.479 Hey there, Yeah, I'm a thirty eight year old father 1814 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:09.159 too as well. I actually have played well since Vanilla 1815 01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:13.399 ironically quit in TVC after it basically ruined my college career. 1816 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:16.560 I came back and started playing sides. When I found 1817 01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:19.800 the podcast, I pretty much bounced around. I feel like 1818 01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:22.039 through all the versions of the game that this podcast 1819 01:39:22.039 --> 01:39:24.399 has told me was the best version to play at 1820 01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:26.359 that moment that I'm here. 1821 01:39:27.079 --> 01:39:34.239 Shots fired. I love it. Very good, very good. Now, 1822 01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:37.760 what was I going to say, Let's throw it over more? 1823 01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:40.000 You've just joined, so listen to what we're doing, and 1824 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:41.960 then I'll bring you back into the mix very soon. 1825 01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:45.760 We'll throw it over to og Pube Sniffer, who has 1826 01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:48.600 been voted already by the guild as having the best 1827 01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:49.520 to name. 1828 01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:53.640 Yeah, and definitely one of my favorites. 1829 01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.119 Yes, I appreciate that. 1830 01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:01.119 I'm thirty five. I'm from I live in a small 1831 01:40:01.159 --> 01:40:06.960 town called Selfoss. I'm just a delivery driver for a 1832 01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:09.920 media company, Icelandic Media Company. 1833 01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:13.560 I used to play. 1834 01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:18.359 Basketball when I was younger. I was a high jumper mainly. 1835 01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:20.479 Now I just do some weightlifting. 1836 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:24.079 There no kids my life. 1837 01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:27.720 Green's a high jumper. Green's a high jumper, aren't you Green? 1838 01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:30.079 I don't jump? 1839 01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:36.279 Sorry dad, humor all right, no kids, Free to wow 1840 01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:37.199 as much as you want. 1841 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:42.680 Yeah, I've played well since the original TBC, but I 1842 01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:46.239 never really rate it. So I'm looking forward to bringing 1843 01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:49.319 a subpower rogue play to the guild here. 1844 01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:52.000 Well made you? You and I were. I think we're 1845 01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:54.640 on the outside here where the outside is, because we're 1846 01:40:54.640 --> 01:40:56.960 going to have to go and fucking, I don't know, 1847 01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:59.560 steal some kids. Or something to feed into this guild. 1848 01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:02.399 Yeah, pretty much. 1849 01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:06.520 We'll have the fucking the No Kids Club over in 1850 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:09.399 the corner. All right, sales guy mate hit does. 1851 01:41:10.399 --> 01:41:14.199 Yeah, man, uh so, I'm thirty two years old. I'm 1852 01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:17.479 from Texas in the United States. I also do not 1853 01:41:17.560 --> 01:41:20.479 have kids, but I am married to a beautiful woman 1854 01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:24.960 for about two years now. I sell medical devices, so 1855 01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:29.199 that's hence hence the name I played. Let's see, I 1856 01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:31.760 played Vanilla Wow as about a ten or eleven year 1857 01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:35.720 old back in the day. Played Restro rest O Shaman 1858 01:41:36.079 --> 01:41:38.880 on the classic re release up until about about the 1859 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:42.279 beginning of Wrath, and I'm doing a feral Druid this 1860 01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:45.000 time around, so looking forward to maybe throwing some tank 1861 01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:47.000 runs in some dps. 1862 01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:49.640 Very good, All right, Seg, we'll throw it to you. 1863 01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:52.079 You're not signing up to the full time raid team. 1864 01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:55.000 You'll just be available for pugs. But for anyone who 1865 01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:57.720 has not listened to the podcast before and hasn't caught 1866 01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:01.159 Seg on the podcast before, I won't spoil it by 1867 01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:03.880 telling you where he's from, You'll just have to guess. 1868 01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:07.680 See, kid us, I can't wait to see how many 1869 01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:11.600 people get this fucking wrong. It's but uh yeah, forty 1870 01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:14.640 years old. I have two kids. I run my own 1871 01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:20.520 barbecue food truck business. Been playing Wow since the very beginning, 1872 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:25.279 uh once Josh came out with Countdown to Classic. I've 1873 01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:28.239 been listening since the very beginning. And I've been lucky 1874 01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:30.199 enough to make friends with a lot of these guys 1875 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:31.000 throughout the year. 1876 01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:34.439 Whoa whoa whoa whoa? Friends is a very loaded word, 1877 01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:35.479 my friend. 1878 01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:40.199 We'll say acquaintment, acquaintance with you know, most of these 1879 01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:44.399 guys very good. You know, I'm a self proclaimed legend 1880 01:42:44.399 --> 01:42:45.119 in my own right. 1881 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:51.800 Uh, you know, we're all We're all friends here, brother, 1882 01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:53.760 We're all friends. Sorry, you're going to finish up. 1883 01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:57.960 I'm not just saying, you know, I'm excited that TBC 1884 01:42:58.199 --> 01:43:00.960 was like my favorite expansion of the game, and it's 1885 01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:05.159 where I first got my reading career started thirty fucking 1886 01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:08.159 years ago when we decided to throw my life away 1887 01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:08.800 playing this game. 1888 01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:11.960 That's the way. That's so all right? So here, I 1889 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.119 am very good. TAXI hit us. 1890 01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:17.399 Okay, guys, I'm a twenty nine year old public servant 1891 01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:19.159 bean counter from Western Australia. 1892 01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.359 I'm a new dad. I'm a new dad. 1893 01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:26.399 Got a four month old baby, so the Sunday Raids 1894 01:43:26.399 --> 01:43:27.640 actually six am for me. 1895 01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:29.560 In wa, which works out pretty well. 1896 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:32.640 I'm a catter baby, but I fell in love with 1897 01:43:32.680 --> 01:43:37.000 Classic in twenty nineteen. Last time TBC came around, I 1898 01:43:37.039 --> 01:43:40.439 was a shadow priest and my guild fell apart on 1899 01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:44.800 pre nerve SSC and TK, so came to try out 1900 01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:48.520 Black Temple and Sunwell eventually, and up until yesterday, I 1901 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:50.760 was going to play Resto Druid, but now jumping into 1902 01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:52.640 Ferrel and came to give that a crack. 1903 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:56.880 All right, Tarry yak, you're an Irish piece of shit 1904 01:43:56.920 --> 01:43:58.439 who I'm going to skip over. I can say that 1905 01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:01.399 because I'm a quarter of Irish. Will come back to you, mate, 1906 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:09.399 more more. I presume you get the gist of what 1907 01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:10.800 we're doing. Do you want to hit us up with 1908 01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:11.880 an introduction to you? 1909 01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:13.159 Yeah? 1910 01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:13.800 Absolutely. 1911 01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:21.079 I'm from Florida. I've been playing Wild for way too 1912 01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:25.239 damn long. I've been playing well since Original Vanilla back 1913 01:44:25.279 --> 01:44:25.720 in the day. 1914 01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:28.720 Have one son. I am a veterinarian. 1915 01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:33.800 I've been why why don't you sorry, can I interrupt? 1916 01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:36.159 Why don't you live down the Why don't you live 1917 01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:38.600 down the road from me? You'd be my best friend. 1918 01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:45.399 I've got five fucking animals. I need the discounts, baby. 1919 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:45.640 Hook you up if you come over to Florida. 1920 01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:49.039 Hell, yes, you're You're a little far from me now, 1921 01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:52.319 but yeah, I've been healing the majority of my time. 1922 01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:57.640 And wow, I played a pretty much every year, played 1923 01:44:57.760 --> 01:44:59.720 S O D and I messed around on the park 1924 01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:01.560 full of litle bit when you guys started playing that 1925 01:45:01.800 --> 01:45:04.600 and uh yeah, just looking forward to reading with you guys. 1926 01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:07.520 Mate, you have just signed up to the monthly d 1927 01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:11.119 M from Josh saying quick more my dog just started 1928 01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:12.880 a little too aggressively. What do I do? 1929 01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:18.359 Yeah, I get plenty of those text message. 1930 01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.359 Very good, very good. I'll leave you. 1931 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:25.560 Make sure miss mister mister Mintens doesn't keep on eating 1932 01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:26.399 charcoal or whatever. 1933 01:45:26.399 --> 01:45:32.680 That exactly exactly all right. We've got a couple more 1934 01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:36.119 Noubshi are you is your mic working or maybe not? 1935 01:45:36.239 --> 01:45:39.439 I'm not sure. I might leave it if you're on mute, 1936 01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:44.159 that's okay. And the last one we'll do is the 1937 01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:49.399 fucking the giant piece of shit himself, Vestige may tell 1938 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:52.720 us more about you. Oh thanks for that introduction. 1939 01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:58.520 Yeah, thirty eight year old tax account in the entertainment industry. 1940 01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:02.640 I'm also state investor and a dad from Nashville, Tennessee. 1941 01:46:03.319 --> 01:46:07.720 I played in Original Vanilla and the OG TBC, but 1942 01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:12.439 I never cleared past he far tier five. I didn't 1943 01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:16.000 play in TBC Classics. I missed that I'll be playing 1944 01:46:16.039 --> 01:46:18.840 a shadow Priest. I'll be last in DPS and first 1945 01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:23.800 in your Shadow bolt Heart and yeah. 1946 01:46:22.399 --> 01:46:24.920 Very good. Well look, and if I've missed anyone who's 1947 01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:27.760 regularly rating with us, yell out. But I'm pretty sure 1948 01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:31.159 that's it. So obviously, you know, we've got, as I said, guys, 1949 01:46:31.159 --> 01:46:34.079 we've got two raid teams going fifty people. You didn't 1950 01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:36.039 just hear from fifty people, but we got the people 1951 01:46:36.039 --> 01:46:38.239 that turned up to the first meeting, and the rest 1952 01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:40.640 of them will listened back once I published the podcast. 1953 01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:44.479 But we've got a good sort of selection of the 1954 01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:49.039 guildies here. So what I'm planning to do, guys, is, 1955 01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:51.039 you know, open this up. I don't just want this 1956 01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:54.079 to be me talking at you. We're all here, We're 1957 01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:57.479 all just you know, open to discussing what our like 1958 01:46:57.520 --> 01:46:59.960 I said, hopes and dreams are for the guild moving forward. 1959 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:03.000 But also I will be reaching out to you guys 1960 01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:07.359 as the world listens in for advice and guidance as 1961 01:47:07.479 --> 01:47:10.079 I lead a guild for the first time. I'm being 1962 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:12.159 very open with the fact that I don't know what 1963 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:15.359 the fuck I'm doing, never done this before. I'm gonna 1964 01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:19.800 make mistakes, but I'm I'm very open to feedback. So 1965 01:47:20.239 --> 01:47:23.479 whilst don't get me wrong, you will absolutely be ruled 1966 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:27.119 by an iron fist. That iron fist will come accompanied 1967 01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:31.520 with a gentle, open ear. So I hope does that 1968 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:33.560 sound about right? Lads? Am I doing it right? 1969 01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:36.359 A benevolent iron fist? 1970 01:47:36.680 --> 01:47:41.119 Yeah? Doing great, exactly exactly, Tarry Act, do you have 1971 01:47:41.199 --> 01:47:43.840 faith in me moving forward as a first time guild leader? 1972 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:46.600 Yeah, Like I. 1973 01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:49.520 Said, I kind of misread the prompt. I don't like 1974 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:52.520 we're time on TVC because I have a different girl Bore. 1975 01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:55.920 Like I said, in terms of the aspect, I think 1976 01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:58.640 for TBC there's a lot of stuff like with the 1977 01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:01.760 guild blinkards kinds of which should make it easier. So 1978 01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:04.880 like you have my confidence despite the factor austral In which, 1979 01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:06.920 like I said, used to be a prison camp, I 1980 01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:07.880 wouldn't really trust you. 1981 01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:08.720 I'll just kind of. 1982 01:48:08.680 --> 01:48:13.840 Thing very good, very good so much. Oh mate, well 1983 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:16.279 he has to be n now I've dropped the bit 1984 01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:18.399 of Josh law on him that I'm a carterer irish. 1985 01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:21.640 He's got to be nice to me, all right. So 1986 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:24.680 I will admit put opinion the guild bank stuff because 1987 01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:26.640 I want to bring that up later in the podcast, 1988 01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:30.960 because that is one area of guild management that's, as 1989 01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:33.399 you all know who played with us in Epoch, that 1990 01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:36.479 I am fucking clueless about and I really need to 1991 01:48:36.479 --> 01:48:39.760 be educated on how a good guild bank is run 1992 01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:43.920 and managed. Guys. Here's what we're going to do. I 1993 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:46.720 want to start. I'm going to start off with reading 1994 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:50.079 the rosters to everyone listening in, and we're going to 1995 01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:54.319 discuss how you guys feel about your raid makeup at 1996 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:56.960 this point. Keeping in mind all your listeners at home, 1997 01:48:57.199 --> 01:49:00.000 I've very much said to the guys, look, as I 1998 01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:02.840 brefaced at the top of this podcast, it shouldn't be 1999 01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:05.840 a shock The countdown is not a meta guild whereabout 2000 01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:10.720 vibes and people over performance. Having said that, I'm trying 2001 01:49:10.760 --> 01:49:14.479 not to compose stupid raids. I'm not being dumb and 2002 01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:20.760 being like, you know, here's fucking sixteen warriors and two 2003 01:49:20.840 --> 01:49:24.279 healers and a tank like you know, I'm trying my 2004 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:28.520 best with rostering, with people's availability, with what they want 2005 01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:32.319 to play, to make it work as a halfway point 2006 01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:38.560 between a meta raid and a fucking like abomination of 2007 01:49:38.600 --> 01:49:42.960 a raid that should never have been composed. I'm pretty 2008 01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:46.520 happy with how these two raids have come together so far. 2009 01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:50.239 There still works in progress. Everything I'm going to say 2010 01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:52.800 to you and read to you is not set in stone. 2011 01:49:53.199 --> 01:49:55.640 I've no doubt people will come, keep people will go 2012 01:49:55.880 --> 01:49:59.279 over the next fourth five six weeks. But this is 2013 01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:02.039 a really good framework that we've got moving forward. So 2014 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:08.439 I shall begin and we'll coordinate with the Friday Team first, 2015 01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:11.439 and what we'll be doing is I'll read you the 2016 01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:13.880 names and then we'll sort of work out amongst yourselves 2017 01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:15.680 who maybe wants to put their hand up for a 2018 01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:19.279 little bit of a leadership role within that guild, and 2019 01:50:19.319 --> 01:50:22.720 how you guys want to deal with your loot and whatnot. Okay, 2020 01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:25.600 so this is the roster as we have it at 2021 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:29.960 the moment, guys on Friday, and sorry, I will say 2022 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:32.720 as well, this Friday Team, guys, this is a raid 2023 01:50:32.760 --> 01:50:36.880 team that will launch at ten pm Eastern time. Friday 2024 01:50:37.359 --> 01:50:39.199 or convert for all of you guys around the world. 2025 01:50:39.239 --> 01:50:44.960 That means seven o'clock Pacific, That means sorry, nine o'clock Central. 2026 01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:48.880 I believe that means four am Europe. That means two 2027 01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:54.720 pm on a Saturday for Oceania. And yeah, so you 2028 01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:58.920 know when I talk about this Ray team, we're going 2029 01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:02.399 to talk about some opens. There's about potentially you know, two, three, 2030 01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:06.680 four open slots. If what they need intrigues you as 2031 01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:10.279 a listener and that time slot works out for you, 2032 01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:13.279 please reach out to either laz or I or anyone 2033 01:51:13.279 --> 01:51:17.079 from this team. Did you hear on this conversation to proceed? 2034 01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:20.800 All your Saturday guys sit tight, although you can obviously 2035 01:51:20.920 --> 01:51:22.880 chime in on what the Friday team is doing too. 2036 01:51:22.960 --> 01:51:25.680 I don't care, but we'll get to us soon. All right. 2037 01:51:25.720 --> 01:51:31.399 Introducing your main tank and as of right now, only tank. 2038 01:51:31.439 --> 01:51:34.760 We're looking for a second one Protection Palade and Lazarus. 2039 01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:39.880 The two heelers. We have arrest O Shaman Cred. We 2040 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:46.800 have a restoration druid rasp Berbarius, ten Malay dps composed 2041 01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:50.720 of two Enhand Sharman mix and Ham. Two feral druids 2042 01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:56.640 Kilixer and Sales Guy, four Fury Warriors campcy Makatu, Iconoclastic 2043 01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:00.800 and Ubiquitous, a combat rogue in Schmik, and a Retribution 2044 01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:09.640 Paladin in Lily. Now we have eight range tps signed 2045 01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:14.039 up so far. Your Shadow Priest, Vestige, your Elemental Shaman, 2046 01:52:14.239 --> 01:52:20.399 Easy two Destruction Warlocks, Pro and Mooseperson two Beast Master Hunters, 2047 01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:23.920 Terra Blades and Juice Box, and an Arcane Mage in 2048 01:52:24.039 --> 01:52:28.760 cast it Yourself. So if you're doing your maths at home, 2049 01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:32.000 that is twenty one people signed up to the Friday 2050 01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:36.920 Red so far. They are currently looking for a tank 2051 01:52:37.279 --> 01:52:41.119 and three healers. Now bear in mind, I am waiting 2052 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:43.720 to hear back from a couple of healers who haven't 2053 01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:46.039 got back to me yet. They might be away for holidays. 2054 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:48.680 I'm not sure over the New Year's period, but that's 2055 01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:50.680 how we stand at the moment. So I'm going to 2056 01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:53.439 throw it open to the Friday team. We'll start with you, Laz. 2057 01:52:54.359 --> 01:52:57.479 Tell me about your general feelings about the makeup of 2058 01:52:57.520 --> 01:52:58.920 that roster up to this point. 2059 01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:03.079 I think it's great. I was hoping both of our 2060 01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:07.880 ferohs would be willing to tank. Maybe not full time, 2061 01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:11.479 but you know, whenever needed, and maybe a couple of 2062 01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:14.359 our Fury warriors wouldn't mind throwing on a shield if 2063 01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:16.000 we need a fourth tank. I don't need them to 2064 01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:19.920 expect for it. But there's like one fight in particular 2065 01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:22.880 and SSC where you need four tanks. 2066 01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:28.600 Now, Uh, well, we've got sales guy here who's already 2067 01:53:28.600 --> 01:53:32.039 put his hand up, I believe lovingly to jump into 2068 01:53:32.039 --> 01:53:34.800 bare form occasionally when required. Is that right, sales? 2069 01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:39.039 Yeah, man, I'm definitely down to uh to tank some 2070 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:39.319 of this. 2071 01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:41.479 There you go, quick take the goodness. 2072 01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:44.159 Take that audio sndle and never let go of it. 2073 01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:47.560 Las play that back to him incessantly when he tries 2074 01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:48.439 to duck out on it. 2075 01:53:49.880 --> 01:53:51.600 The good news is you don't need to change your 2076 01:53:51.720 --> 01:53:52.880 spec or your gear. 2077 01:53:54.039 --> 01:53:55.840 Yeah, I know what I signed up for. 2078 01:53:56.199 --> 01:54:00.680 Perfect. He understands the assignment. I fucking love it. So look, 2079 01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:02.960 it's one of those situations, lads, where you might have 2080 01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:04.920 a few guys willing to do that. It's not all 2081 01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:09.039 necessarily just on sales guys. Shoulders. Ubiquitous has said that he's, 2082 01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:13.439 you know, he's tank curious through TBC as a Fury warrior, 2083 01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:16.000 so he might throw on a shield occasionally. And help 2084 01:54:16.039 --> 01:54:18.640 you out. As you say, You've got the other feral 2085 01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:21.079 druid there in Kilixo, who's not on the court at 2086 01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:23.039 the moment, but might also be a bit of a 2087 01:54:23.079 --> 01:54:25.960 team player willing to do it. And you've got three 2088 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.560 other Fury warriors who are perfectly capable of throwing on 2089 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:31.279 a shield if I has to do so. Although I 2090 01:54:31.319 --> 01:54:34.199 think we said Makatu, did you say you're already committed 2091 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:35.359 to DPS. 2092 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.439 Yes, but you know I'm down to help out the 2093 01:54:39.439 --> 01:54:40.680 boys too. Every once a. 2094 01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:43.520 While I can't even spell shield fuck you. 2095 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.279 Yeah, My sheeld macros consistently don't work because I always 2096 01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:49.000 forgot to spell. 2097 01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:53.159 It exactly exactly. Well, we'll open up to the crowd. 2098 01:54:53.239 --> 01:54:56.439 So everyone here who I named in the Friday team 2099 01:54:56.479 --> 01:54:59.079 first in best dressed guys, this is your chance to 2100 01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:01.760 talk amongst yourself, get to know each other. That The 2101 01:55:01.880 --> 01:55:05.039 general open question is be honest with me if you 2102 01:55:05.159 --> 01:55:08.520 if you think I have fucked you here, please don't 2103 01:55:08.560 --> 01:55:10.920 be shy and saying so, how do you feel about 2104 01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:11.800 your raid composition? 2105 01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:15.399 I just think it's great. I mean, there's there's a 2106 01:55:15.399 --> 01:55:18.079 whole lot of different mixture in there. You know, it's 2107 01:55:18.079 --> 01:55:21.640 not your generalized let's go to Wildhead and have a 2108 01:55:21.680 --> 01:55:24.319 look to see what the raid makeup should be, you know, 2109 01:55:24.760 --> 01:55:29.000 and you know after you know, like our like I 2110 01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:32.439 said before, with our PTR experience with Kara, with a 2111 01:55:32.479 --> 01:55:38.680 hodgepodge of you know, people put together, it's it's doable. 2112 01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:39.800 I mean, it's post nerve. 2113 01:55:40.079 --> 01:55:43.760 So I mean, well that that's been, that's been something 2114 01:55:43.800 --> 01:55:45.880 that's come up a bunch over the last couple of days. 2115 01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:50.560 Is like, I think people are under selling what post 2116 01:55:50.600 --> 01:55:54.800 nerve Cara feels like. And with with all respect to 2117 01:55:55.039 --> 01:55:59.960 Phase two and Phase three, yes, I understand Vash is coming. Yes, 2118 01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:03.800 sounderstand KT is coming, Black Temple things will be a 2119 01:56:03.800 --> 01:56:06.399 different story. Phase one is supposed to be a cake walk. 2120 01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:12.319 Josh totally get that. But for Phase one, I mean, 2121 01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:17.439 I don't think I'm insane for saying it doesn't fucking matter. 2122 01:56:18.279 --> 01:56:21.880 Right exactly, And that's that's the best thing about that is, 2123 01:56:22.319 --> 01:56:27.399 you know, I think honestly, car is probably the one 2124 01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:31.760 raid from TBC that if you did play TBC, whether 2125 01:56:31.840 --> 01:56:33.920 it was you know, the first time around there second 2126 01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:37.279 time around, everybody for the most part's done it. Minus 2127 01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:39.800 a couple of people I know, but it's not a 2128 01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:43.880 it's not a smash your head against the door trying 2129 01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:45.920 to figure it out type of a you know raid. 2130 01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:50.720 So you know, and and everybody's gonna, you know, look 2131 01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:53.800 at us and go for Fury Warriors. Yeah, why not? 2132 01:56:54.560 --> 01:56:57.920 Like it's not hard, you know. That's this is an 2133 01:56:57.960 --> 01:57:05.640 introduction to you know, the New Classic Expansion Anniversary, and 2134 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:07.680 I think we'll be fine. 2135 01:57:08.199 --> 01:57:11.079 That's what I fucking like to hear. That's why you're 2136 01:57:11.119 --> 01:57:15.479 a fucking countdown man. Promote this, man, somebody, I want 2137 01:57:15.479 --> 01:57:18.079 to fucking hear that for Fury Warriors. I don't want 2138 01:57:18.079 --> 01:57:20.359 you to say why. I want you to say, why not? 2139 01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:26.560 Fuck it? Yes, all right, Vestige, let me throw it well, yeah, man, Vestige, 2140 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:29.199 let me throw it over to you. Mate. You guys 2141 01:57:29.199 --> 01:57:31.399 have had no input on any of this. These rosters 2142 01:57:31.439 --> 01:57:34.680 are completely of my own making. As I say, I 2143 01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:38.800 haven't selected like a meta. I've just gone by availability. 2144 01:57:39.960 --> 01:57:43.960 Were you pleasantly surprised or you know, left wanting a 2145 01:57:43.960 --> 01:57:47.199 little bit by the makeup of this rostar? I thought 2146 01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:47.760 there would. 2147 01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:52.000 Be more Warlocks. Honestly, same, I'm surprised. I mean, I'm 2148 01:57:52.039 --> 01:57:55.600 happy it's not like fifty Warlocks. But at the same time, 2149 01:57:55.640 --> 01:57:57.239 I just thought everybody's going to be like, Oh, we're 2150 01:57:57.239 --> 01:57:59.760 gonna meta scheme this thing out of fun, so. 2151 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:03.000 That the warlocks in the Mages disappeared. 2152 01:58:04.079 --> 01:58:07.119 Yeah, and no boomies. I know, booms not like the 2153 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:10.239 most played thing, but I'm surprised there wasn't one between 2154 01:58:10.319 --> 01:58:12.680 the both the groups. 2155 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.720 I did anticipate a lack of boomese, but it's it 2156 01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:17.960 is surprising to say literally not one. 2157 01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:21.600 Yeah, I thought somebody would do a memespec just for fun. 2158 01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:25.720 Is anybody is anybody here in this call, whether you're 2159 01:58:25.800 --> 01:58:29.079 rating with us or not planning on being a fucking 2160 01:58:29.199 --> 01:58:31.079 burmkin at any stage? 2161 01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:34.000 Yeah, I'll have an all book. 2162 01:58:34.439 --> 01:58:36.600 Oh there you go, king amongst men. 2163 01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:40.479 I played on last time around, and I think they're 2164 01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:44.520 quite fun. I liked it better than Ferrell for leveling. 2165 01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:47.560 If you like dungeon spamming, I think it's a lot 2166 01:58:47.600 --> 01:58:49.880 better for as a DPS class. 2167 01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:52.840 I mean, you got your you got your boomkin, I 2168 01:58:52.880 --> 01:58:57.000 mean five percent. I mean it's a big, big deal. 2169 01:58:57.159 --> 01:58:59.439 It's a very big deal. I mean I wouldn't fucking 2170 01:58:59.479 --> 01:59:04.000 sneeze it an, I'll tell you that much. So let 2171 01:59:04.039 --> 01:59:07.479 me throw it over to mooseperson and ask you the 2172 01:59:07.520 --> 01:59:11.319 same question. Are you happy with your little raid composition? There? Mate? 2173 01:59:12.600 --> 01:59:13.319 I am happy with it. 2174 01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:15.640 You told me I would be special if I played Warlock, 2175 01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:18.720 and it looks like I am at least fifty percent special. 2176 01:59:19.079 --> 01:59:21.079 That's the way. Did you think? Did you think you'd 2177 01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:24.159 be swimming in a sea of warlocks? 2178 01:59:24.680 --> 01:59:26.920 It did kind of seem like that, But yeah, like, 2179 01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:27.439 I don't know. 2180 01:59:27.479 --> 01:59:29.680 I've also sort of looked at all the classes with 2181 01:59:31.000 --> 01:59:33.520 thinking everybody was going to play different things like whoever 2182 01:59:33.560 --> 01:59:35.880 I saw online? I thought I would play another class too, 2183 01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:37.199 But I don't know if I'm going to deal with 2184 01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:39.840 leveling again after I've re experienced. 2185 01:59:39.239 --> 01:59:45.680 This very good, very good? Now, laz, do you anticipate 2186 01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:47.880 any dramas tanking for this multly crew? 2187 01:59:49.279 --> 01:59:52.119 Now? I think it's gonna be great. We're gonna uh. 2188 01:59:52.479 --> 01:59:54.159 I love the work in like multiple people. Who Ever 2189 01:59:54.199 --> 01:59:56.000 wants an opportunity to tank, I'm happy to teach him 2190 01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:59.760 about a lot of experience. And I've tanked a Warrior 2191 01:59:59.840 --> 02:00:02.079 and Palada, and don't we have much experience on a Druid, 2192 02:00:02.079 --> 02:00:05.159 But I've tanked with druids and know how to work together. 2193 02:00:05.279 --> 02:00:08.960 So you know people who want to GPS primarily but 2194 02:00:09.000 --> 02:00:11.239 are willing to, you know, help out. I promise I 2195 02:00:11.239 --> 02:00:14.680 won't make you tank every single time, and uh you know, 2196 02:00:14.680 --> 02:00:18.359 we'll get well, we'll work in whoever wants to get 2197 02:00:18.359 --> 02:00:18.840 a chance. 2198 02:00:19.199 --> 02:00:22.520 Very good. Macott two, have you got your macro ready 2199 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:24.840 to go to scream at one of you? Two enhanced 2200 02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:26.159 Shaman to drop wing Fury. 2201 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:27.399 Yeah? 2202 02:00:27.439 --> 02:00:28.640 I just wrote it. 2203 02:00:28.840 --> 02:00:29.239 Very good? 2204 02:00:29.479 --> 02:00:29.640 Is it? 2205 02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:29.880 Now? 2206 02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:33.239 How many counts does it? Having it all of them? 2207 02:00:33.439 --> 02:00:33.600 Good? 2208 02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:35.399 I just went down the list, copy pasted all their 2209 02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:37.359 names and good, even if they're not my group? 2210 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:38.000 Excellent? 2211 02:00:38.119 --> 02:00:40.600 Is it just is it just key bound to storm strike. 2212 02:00:41.720 --> 02:00:44.760 It's it's just keep on everything one through four and 2213 02:00:44.880 --> 02:00:46.279 on the. 2214 02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:50.079 You have bloodthirst will weened Heroics strike everything, Wind. 2215 02:00:49.920 --> 02:00:55.680 Furyury, execute my rage pot all of it. 2216 02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:56.880 Very good, very good. 2217 02:00:58.119 --> 02:01:01.800 Now, Look I can plain, gosh, yeah, please please everyone? 2218 02:01:03.359 --> 02:01:03.920 Can I complain? 2219 02:01:04.039 --> 02:01:04.359 Please? 2220 02:01:05.319 --> 02:01:05.760 Uh? 2221 02:01:06.279 --> 02:01:07.000 Some priests? 2222 02:01:07.319 --> 02:01:10.000 Well yeah I would. That was That was my next question. 2223 02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:13.159 Is we're staring at four open slots for you, and 2224 02:01:13.319 --> 02:01:16.279 because we're now at the point where the rosters have 2225 02:01:16.439 --> 02:01:19.239 mostly been filled out and you can we can be 2226 02:01:19.359 --> 02:01:22.359 a little bit maybe maybe we can be a little 2227 02:01:22.399 --> 02:01:25.399 bit choosy here, depending on who gets back to us 2228 02:01:25.439 --> 02:01:28.560 after this podcast. You got four slots, one tank, three 2229 02:01:28.600 --> 02:01:33.119 healers left to fill. What would you like that you 2230 02:01:33.199 --> 02:01:33.720 don't have? 2231 02:01:35.680 --> 02:01:38.439 So I sent your h such a DM and the 2232 02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:44.239 I could probably use a holy paladin, holy priest. 2233 02:01:44.319 --> 02:01:48.199 Maybe, well we are we are waiting. There's a couple 2234 02:01:48.199 --> 02:01:50.920 of holy priests that have signed up but haven't got 2235 02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:54.520 back to me yet, so I anticipate them hopefully saying 2236 02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:56.960 yeap Friday, no worries, Broom, you've got one or two 2237 02:01:57.039 --> 02:01:57.840 Holy priest. 2238 02:01:59.239 --> 02:02:02.479 Yeah, would be good. Whatever, we'll make it work on. 2239 02:02:02.600 --> 02:02:07.239 Maybe a survival hunter, maybe an affliction warlock, I think would. 2240 02:02:07.079 --> 02:02:10.319 Be good to go, very good, very good. Well wait, 2241 02:02:10.439 --> 02:02:13.760 so well I think you're done for DPS. That's the 2242 02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:16.800 only problem because, like I said, you need I know 2243 02:02:16.840 --> 02:02:19.119 you don't need a dedicated tank for phase one, but 2244 02:02:19.159 --> 02:02:22.359 you will need one for phase two onwards, So you 2245 02:02:22.439 --> 02:02:26.399 still need a dedicated tank in there from the outset 2246 02:02:26.479 --> 02:02:29.159 to sort of gear them up and develop that relationship. 2247 02:02:29.239 --> 02:02:32.079 So that's one slot gone. Then you got three heelers 2248 02:02:32.079 --> 02:02:34.600 and everything else is gone unless you want a four heeler, 2249 02:02:34.680 --> 02:02:37.560 which he said you don't want to do, right, I'll 2250 02:02:37.560 --> 02:02:37.880 tell you. 2251 02:02:37.800 --> 02:02:41.880 Why don't forget a man though, we need a dedicated tank. 2252 02:02:41.720 --> 02:02:44.600 For card exactly. Yeah, you need the second tank course. 2253 02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:50.720 Yeah, yeah, so definitely, yeah, I mean I definitely we 2254 02:02:50.720 --> 02:02:52.880 we get three heel phase four, but I don't want 2255 02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:56.159 to because we have you know, maybe we might have 2256 02:02:56.199 --> 02:02:59.560 pre nerve tier five and tier six and son. Well, 2257 02:02:59.640 --> 02:03:03.079 so I want to get used to five healing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2258 02:03:03.279 --> 02:03:04.039 I definitely. 2259 02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:05.840 Need Okay, so you'd prefer. 2260 02:03:07.520 --> 02:03:09.600 I didn't necessarily say all those things, but you know 2261 02:03:09.840 --> 02:03:11.880 those are the things that we No. 2262 02:03:11.399 --> 02:03:11.920 No, that's okay. 2263 02:03:11.960 --> 02:03:12.239 Probably. 2264 02:03:14.279 --> 02:03:16.039 Yeah, you're full of melee. You got ten melee. So 2265 02:03:16.239 --> 02:03:18.760 you'd love a holy paladin. You'd love to holy priests. 2266 02:03:19.840 --> 02:03:21.880 If you have to pick a tank, you would want to. 2267 02:03:21.880 --> 02:03:27.239 Faire arrest arresto shaman. Yeah, arrest shaman. That'd be fine. Yeah. Basically, 2268 02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:30.960 takes are all good like player over class, what comes 2269 02:03:30.960 --> 02:03:31.359 to healer? 2270 02:03:31.479 --> 02:03:36.239 Yeah yeah, okay, all good? All right, Well look here's 2271 02:03:36.279 --> 02:03:38.560 the next big question for you, and this is where 2272 02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:40.000 I want to hear from all of you guys, not 2273 02:03:40.039 --> 02:03:41.800 just saying sorry, I am directing a lot of questions 2274 02:03:41.800 --> 02:03:44.960 at lads, but I don't I don't necessarily want to. 2275 02:03:46.119 --> 02:03:48.079 And this is where you guys have to sort this 2276 02:03:48.159 --> 02:03:50.159 out amongst yourselves, and you don't have to do it today. 2277 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:53.960 You will have to sort out like you know, a 2278 02:03:53.960 --> 02:03:56.479 bit of a raid leader, a bit of a leadership group. 2279 02:03:57.720 --> 02:04:01.399 So I don't I'm really not intending to give the 2280 02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:05.560 impression that I have like dubbed lads the head of 2281 02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:09.600 this team. If you guys want a different leader, say so. 2282 02:04:09.720 --> 02:04:12.560 I'm just talking to him for now as like a 2283 02:04:12.600 --> 02:04:15.399 stand in. Presumed lads will probably want to take somewhat 2284 02:04:15.399 --> 02:04:20.119 of a leadership role kind of thing. Lads, do you 2285 02:04:20.199 --> 02:04:21.399 want to raid lead or not? 2286 02:04:23.720 --> 02:04:27.279 My preferred role would be like management and like rosters 2287 02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:29.800 and maybe guild bank and you know, just as a tank, 2288 02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:32.319 maybe an assistant lead. Yeah, but I would like to 2289 02:04:32.359 --> 02:04:34.039 have like a kind of a shot caller that's not 2290 02:04:34.079 --> 02:04:37.119 the main tank because it's kind of hard to watch 2291 02:04:37.119 --> 02:04:38.079 everybody else what they're doing. 2292 02:04:38.159 --> 02:04:39.199 Yeah, that's okay. 2293 02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:42.079 I think like I don't mind being the raid leader, 2294 02:04:42.079 --> 02:04:44.239 but I would like someone to either be the main 2295 02:04:44.319 --> 02:04:45.920 or to at least help me out to like shot 2296 02:04:46.000 --> 02:04:47.279 call for that's okay. 2297 02:04:47.600 --> 02:04:51.159 I think I've deliberately like I think the Friday raid 2298 02:04:51.880 --> 02:04:57.199 is a little bit more like serious than the Saturday 2299 02:04:57.239 --> 02:04:59.239 I've sort of dubbed this Saturday raid as the sort 2300 02:04:59.279 --> 02:05:02.920 of more you know, fucking casual, chilled out raid, and 2301 02:05:02.960 --> 02:05:05.920 the Friday raid is only only slightly a little bit 2302 02:05:05.960 --> 02:05:09.319 more into the rating scene. So you've got a few 2303 02:05:09.319 --> 02:05:11.920 guys there who probably won't mind helping you out, Like 2304 02:05:12.000 --> 02:05:14.000 you know, I don't want to name names, but I 2305 02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:15.960 can already think of two or three people that'll probably 2306 02:05:15.960 --> 02:05:18.399 be more than fine with going. Yeah, mate, I'll help 2307 02:05:18.399 --> 02:05:21.199 you out making calls, so I wouldn't stress too much 2308 02:05:21.199 --> 02:05:25.039 on that front, but yeah, yeah, I'll leave you guys 2309 02:05:25.159 --> 02:05:29.359 to sort it out amongst yourselves. Then the next big 2310 02:05:29.439 --> 02:05:32.520 question is, so ideally, when you go off, you sort 2311 02:05:32.560 --> 02:05:35.039 of say, look, this personal raid lead, this personal assist 2312 02:05:35.119 --> 02:05:37.399 raid lead. I mean, you guys know how it's fucking done. 2313 02:05:38.039 --> 02:05:40.159 You know, have your little team of four or five 2314 02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:42.720 sort of leaders or whatever, the people I'd like you 2315 02:05:42.800 --> 02:05:44.439 to come up with and tell me if this is 2316 02:05:44.479 --> 02:05:48.880 a good or bad suggestion. Laz, We've talked about the 2317 02:05:49.239 --> 02:05:52.760 sr HR system and guys, just to say it out 2318 02:05:52.760 --> 02:06:00.920 loud again, all Countdown raids will be operating on a 2319 02:06:01.039 --> 02:06:05.680 sorry knee greed plus SR system. The caveat to the 2320 02:06:05.720 --> 02:06:11.359 system is that if you s are one particular item 2321 02:06:11.880 --> 02:06:16.560 or sorry, if you SR items in consecutive weeks without 2322 02:06:16.640 --> 02:06:19.520 breaking the chain, like you have to keep reserving the item, 2323 02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:24.840 you will cumulatively add a plus ten to your role. Now, 2324 02:06:24.880 --> 02:06:27.640 I'm happy to take feedback on that plus ten whether 2325 02:06:27.640 --> 02:06:29.840 you think it should be plus five or a plus fifteen. 2326 02:06:30.039 --> 02:06:34.119 I think plus ten sounds about right. But Laz, does 2327 02:06:34.119 --> 02:06:35.920 that sound about right to you? 2328 02:06:37.600 --> 02:06:40.279 Yeah? That system sounds great to me. 2329 02:06:40.600 --> 02:06:43.520 Yeah, So let me explain the reasoning behind the system. 2330 02:06:43.880 --> 02:06:49.800 It's because we're not a fucking hardcore, sweaty gild and 2331 02:06:49.840 --> 02:06:52.760 we are full of you know, adults who are pretty 2332 02:06:52.760 --> 02:06:55.640 mature and aren't going to fucking cry and silk over loose. 2333 02:06:57.079 --> 02:07:02.000 I just thought that that combo of uh, you know roles, 2334 02:07:02.039 --> 02:07:06.159 regular roles need greed and two srs is a good 2335 02:07:06.159 --> 02:07:10.760 fit for us. But it also gives people that chase 2336 02:07:10.760 --> 02:07:13.359 item if they want it, there will be half a 2337 02:07:13.359 --> 02:07:17.239 dozen items hard rest. But if you're like, look, I 2338 02:07:17.399 --> 02:07:22.960 really really really want you know, the first fucking you know, 2339 02:07:23.159 --> 02:07:26.800 nazarethim another zim fucking mind blade or whatever, that drops 2340 02:07:26.800 --> 02:07:28.880 off prints whatever whatever it fucking is, you know what 2341 02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:32.640 I mean, or malcazine that drops off prints. If you 2342 02:07:32.800 --> 02:07:36.640 start soft resting that every week, you know by week 2343 02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:40.760 three you've got plus thirty two year roles, which pretty 2344 02:07:40.840 --> 02:07:43.399 much doesn't assure you of it, but is a great 2345 02:07:43.439 --> 02:07:47.479 fucking leg up. It rewards the people who turn up 2346 02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:52.119 continuously and keep reserving the same thing, and not to 2347 02:07:52.159 --> 02:07:55.399 the point that I think it can be abused, you know, 2348 02:07:55.600 --> 02:07:58.199 or anything like that, or used on an item that 2349 02:07:58.680 --> 02:08:00.600 is going to make people upset. Like I said, we're 2350 02:08:00.600 --> 02:08:02.920 putting aside the big ticket items for hard reds. 2351 02:08:05.319 --> 02:08:05.680 Now. 2352 02:08:06.399 --> 02:08:10.000 I want to know from you guys first and foremost, 2353 02:08:10.439 --> 02:08:14.479 I presume, but speak up if not that everyone in 2354 02:08:14.520 --> 02:08:16.600 the raid is okay with that lose system. Is there 2355 02:08:16.640 --> 02:08:23.079 anyone who's you know, really unhappy hearing that? No? Does 2356 02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:25.920 everyone think that you know, just rolls and SR is 2357 02:08:25.920 --> 02:08:27.239 fine with you guys. 2358 02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:30.720 As long as I wasn't here for this star? But 2359 02:08:30.760 --> 02:08:32.640 how many are you thinking of doing too? 2360 02:08:34.079 --> 02:08:39.039 But but yeah, is that as long as you got 2361 02:08:39.039 --> 02:08:41.880 some add on tracking this thing so it's easy to 2362 02:08:41.880 --> 02:08:44.760 figure out gogle goggle tracks. 2363 02:08:44.520 --> 02:08:49.159 It would you want like in Tier four, would you 2364 02:08:49.199 --> 02:08:51.920 want like one for Bag and one for Gruel or 2365 02:08:51.920 --> 02:08:53.439 two total or one total. 2366 02:08:54.640 --> 02:08:56.680 That's where I'm open. That's where I'm open to feedback, 2367 02:08:56.720 --> 02:08:58.359 and I'll be led by you guys. What do you 2368 02:08:58.399 --> 02:08:59.319 think is a good number. 2369 02:09:00.800 --> 02:09:04.640 I'll just trot it out there. I think one one good. 2370 02:09:04.920 --> 02:09:06.680 Yeah, that's what I would have assumed. 2371 02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:09.520 Because otherwise than everyone has everyone has an s R, 2372 02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:11.079 and then it doesn't become an SR, it just becomes 2373 02:09:11.079 --> 02:09:11.760 everyone rolling again. 2374 02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:14.039 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So so two in two in the 2375 02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:16.800 ten man's and one in the twenty five man's Does 2376 02:09:16.840 --> 02:09:17.439 that makes sense? 2377 02:09:18.600 --> 02:09:19.680 Mm hmm to me? 2378 02:09:19.760 --> 02:09:21.520 But I don't. I don't know if anyone feels differently. 2379 02:09:22.239 --> 02:09:24.439 So when you when you move on to when you 2380 02:09:24.479 --> 02:09:27.119 move on to S, s C and t K, does 2381 02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:29.399 it stay at one or become two in the twenty 2382 02:09:29.399 --> 02:09:30.439 five man, I'm not sure. 2383 02:09:31.960 --> 02:09:32.960 I think it should be two. 2384 02:09:34.399 --> 02:09:37.560 Yeah, I think at that point yeah, yeah, yeah, that 2385 02:09:37.600 --> 02:09:37.880 makes sense. 2386 02:09:37.920 --> 02:09:41.319 You got the ten bosses like six, Yeah, yeah. 2387 02:09:41.119 --> 02:09:44.479 That makes sense, that makes sense. Yeap. So so basically 2388 02:09:44.520 --> 02:09:46.319 Gruel and mag are the only ones where you get 2389 02:09:46.359 --> 02:09:46.840 one s R. 2390 02:09:48.760 --> 02:09:54.119 So that's fine, one per or one total across. 2391 02:09:53.760 --> 02:09:59.960 Balls, that's one total across both. Wouldn't it be. 2392 02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:03.279 My proposals one for both? 2393 02:10:03.359 --> 02:10:06.720 But I would have thought one for both. And then 2394 02:10:06.760 --> 02:10:09.000 you split up into your karras and groups and you 2395 02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:14.479 get two reserves in Kra. Would that Does that sound right? Crickets? 2396 02:10:14.479 --> 02:10:18.399 I'm okay with one reserve in Karra, but or two, like, 2397 02:10:18.479 --> 02:10:20.600 I don't really care either way. 2398 02:10:21.119 --> 02:10:24.279 I again, I'm I'm open to being led by you guys. 2399 02:10:24.600 --> 02:10:27.239 Is it tell me it was not that much loot 2400 02:10:27.880 --> 02:10:28.399 in Cara? 2401 02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:32.479 I would propose one, but I don't feel strongly about it. 2402 02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:35.560 So then you go one in Cara. But then because 2403 02:10:35.600 --> 02:10:38.000 the yeah, you go one in Karra and one in 2404 02:10:38.039 --> 02:10:40.760 the twenty five man's and that's your two reserves total 2405 02:10:40.760 --> 02:10:42.800 for the week. Is that what you mean? 2406 02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:45.720 Yeah, it makes sense to me. 2407 02:10:44.560 --> 02:10:49.079 In Kara, I always generally, did you know, the one 2408 02:10:49.239 --> 02:10:54.039 s R and then plus one need agreed? So I 2409 02:10:54.039 --> 02:10:57.479 mean generally at that point, I mean, you know, unless 2410 02:10:57.600 --> 02:10:59.399 obviously somebody else doesn't need the loot. 2411 02:11:00.000 --> 02:11:04.000 But that's that's not that I think that makes sense. 2412 02:11:04.039 --> 02:11:06.119 That did. Sorry, I'm just wrapping my head around it. Yeah, 2413 02:11:06.199 --> 02:11:10.479 it's like you get two weekly shs and I mean 2414 02:11:10.520 --> 02:11:13.000 we'll quite frankly, you can fucking use them how you 2415 02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:15.319 say fit, but you kept it one for the twenty. 2416 02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:19.399 Five man shit, right, And then usually what would happen 2417 02:11:19.640 --> 02:11:25.840 is say, uh, you're in car and nobody's software software 2418 02:11:25.840 --> 02:11:28.479 reserved something and then you you did the you know, 2419 02:11:29.359 --> 02:11:32.119 your mainspect of aspected before you. 2420 02:11:32.079 --> 02:11:34.239 Know, yay, Yeah that's a simple role. 2421 02:11:34.159 --> 02:11:36.760 And you got your need. Yeah it's just a simple role. 2422 02:11:36.800 --> 02:11:38.760 But if you already got your need, then you can't 2423 02:11:38.800 --> 02:11:42.039 roll anymore of that rate unless it's on something that's 2424 02:11:42.079 --> 02:11:44.279 for an offspect and everybody agrees on it. 2425 02:11:44.640 --> 02:11:47.800 Yeah. So that's that's the part that I'm less familiar with. 2426 02:11:48.079 --> 02:11:51.720 So I've not really we're just trying to describe a 2427 02:11:51.720 --> 02:11:52.560 plus one system. 2428 02:11:52.640 --> 02:11:54.920 Yeah, I've never used a plus one system, and I 2429 02:11:54.920 --> 02:11:57.439 know they're very popular, but I'm unfamiliar with them. So 2430 02:11:57.520 --> 02:11:59.600 you guys tell me what you think we should do. 2431 02:12:01.000 --> 02:12:05.159 There's pluses and minuses, so it kind of it disincentivizes 2432 02:12:05.239 --> 02:12:08.359 people actually rolling need, so a lot more gear goes 2433 02:12:08.399 --> 02:12:11.840 to greed when it might have actually been an upgrade 2434 02:12:11.880 --> 02:12:14.600 for somebody. But people don't necessarily want their plus one 2435 02:12:14.600 --> 02:12:17.199 because they're waiting on the bigger item. That they don't 2436 02:12:17.239 --> 02:12:19.319 want to have a plus one against when they roll 2437 02:12:19.359 --> 02:12:24.479 on it. But on the counter to that, it distributes 2438 02:12:24.560 --> 02:12:27.279 gear slightly more evenly, right, so you don't just get 2439 02:12:27.319 --> 02:12:29.560 one person just gets a lucky day and rolls away 2440 02:12:29.600 --> 02:12:30.720 with six pieces of gear. 2441 02:12:30.920 --> 02:12:33.840 Then the third this is not as popular. But then 2442 02:12:33.880 --> 02:12:35.560 obviously you got the second option, which is not the 2443 02:12:35.560 --> 02:12:37.960 plus one system. Just obviously everyone go health for leather 2444 02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:40.039 and roll need grade on whatever the fuck you want. 2445 02:12:40.279 --> 02:12:43.760 And then there's the third option of this will be 2446 02:12:43.760 --> 02:12:45.720 a bit more delicate, and again I'm happy to be 2447 02:12:45.760 --> 02:12:48.520 told shut the fuck up, Josh, that'll never work. But 2448 02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:50.960 you've got the third option, which is not a plus 2449 02:12:51.000 --> 02:12:56.319 one system. Just do rolls, but also have the group 2450 02:12:56.600 --> 02:13:01.680 the ray sort of say hey man, you've you've won 2451 02:13:01.720 --> 02:13:05.319 a piece already, Like sorry, you've won two pieces already. 2452 02:13:05.600 --> 02:13:07.800 Maybe we're not you know you Okaine not to roll 2453 02:13:07.840 --> 02:13:10.399 on the third or you know, do like kind of 2454 02:13:10.439 --> 02:13:12.920 like Marshal the dving out yourselves or do you think 2455 02:13:12.960 --> 02:13:13.760 that's asenine. 2456 02:13:15.039 --> 02:13:17.359 I don't think it's asenine. It's just without a set rule, 2457 02:13:17.439 --> 02:13:20.560 you can't it's not something that's policeable, right, So it's 2458 02:13:20.600 --> 02:13:23.600 it's purely vibes and purely just like, hey, it don't 2459 02:13:23.640 --> 02:13:23.840 be a. 2460 02:13:23.840 --> 02:13:28.680 Cunt, like, well, yeah, and that's what I'm wondering. 2461 02:13:31.399 --> 02:13:32.199 That's a great question. 2462 02:13:32.520 --> 02:13:35.079 One thing I do want to say about the plus 2463 02:13:35.119 --> 02:13:37.199 one system though, and I really do enjoy it, and 2464 02:13:37.239 --> 02:13:39.479 I'm done with previous skills. Just one thing to just 2465 02:13:39.560 --> 02:13:42.119 kind of remember is like occasionally there's gonna be super 2466 02:13:42.199 --> 02:13:44.720 rare items that like it almost feels unfair if you're 2467 02:13:44.720 --> 02:13:46.239 at a plus one, like for example, say we're doing 2468 02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:48.760 Sunken Temple and the hunter bow drops. Well, like if 2469 02:13:48.760 --> 02:13:50.680 you're a hunter and you already got like two pieces 2470 02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:52.600 to say, you're like plus one or plus two, it's 2471 02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:54.720 really sad if you can't roll on the legendary bow. 2472 02:13:56.000 --> 02:13:56.199 Yeah. 2473 02:13:56.279 --> 02:14:00.079 So my personal solution is, I think a plus if 2474 02:14:00.119 --> 02:14:03.239 one system works really well the more soft reserves you have, 2475 02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:06.520 because then you have more ability to really go like 2476 02:14:06.640 --> 02:14:11.560 I want that, and then you know you're less disincentivized 2477 02:14:11.600 --> 02:14:14.800 to not roll need on a piece of gear. That's 2478 02:14:14.800 --> 02:14:17.159 an upgrade because you know the thing that you actually 2479 02:14:17.159 --> 02:14:20.319 care about is one of your like upteenth million soft reserves. 2480 02:14:21.319 --> 02:14:25.600 But I don't I'll tell you what I'm strong it's 2481 02:14:25.680 --> 02:14:29.640 up to you, guys. I'm leaning my initial thought was 2482 02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:35.399 regular roles plus s are and just that don't be 2483 02:14:35.439 --> 02:14:38.920 a cunt rule dictating the regular roles, Like if blatantly 2484 02:14:39.159 --> 02:14:42.319 like to, you know, have the group kind of shame 2485 02:14:42.800 --> 02:14:46.439 or you know, talk the person out of rolling on 2486 02:14:46.479 --> 02:14:48.479 the fucking third or fourth epic that they're going to 2487 02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:50.800 win that week, you know what I mean, when there's 2488 02:14:50.800 --> 02:14:53.079 other people there that have got nothing that they shared 2489 02:14:53.720 --> 02:14:59.840 armor class with. But if you guys sort of say, Josh, 2490 02:15:00.119 --> 02:15:03.319 that's wonderful in theory, this utopia you've created for yourself 2491 02:15:03.319 --> 02:15:06.279 in your mind, but it doesn't exist in reality, then 2492 02:15:06.319 --> 02:15:07.840 so be it. But I would have thought if there's 2493 02:15:07.880 --> 02:15:10.000 any guild that could pull it off, it would be us. 2494 02:15:11.319 --> 02:15:13.239 I think we can. I think the only problem that 2495 02:15:13.279 --> 02:15:15.000 I see is if we have to bring in a pug, 2496 02:15:15.159 --> 02:15:17.199 Like if we're messing one person or two people and 2497 02:15:17.239 --> 02:15:21.199 you have to bring them in, then they could take advantage. 2498 02:15:22.439 --> 02:15:24.079 So my experience is. 2499 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:29.399 Like that, that is like, I think you're right, if 2500 02:15:29.399 --> 02:15:31.239 any guild can pull it off, it'll be this one. 2501 02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:34.800 But man like, when it comes to loot, motherfuckers just 2502 02:15:34.840 --> 02:15:38.920 go Like Black Friday sales mad when it comes to 2503 02:15:39.399 --> 02:15:41.840 Sometimes it's just a particular piece that they want and 2504 02:15:41.920 --> 02:15:45.159 like that person won't be problematic for like two raid tears, 2505 02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:47.960 and then they've been waiting for this the entire expansion 2506 02:15:48.279 --> 02:15:50.479 and then all of a sudden they get done out 2507 02:15:50.520 --> 02:15:54.079 by something that they don't feel quite right, and or 2508 02:15:54.079 --> 02:15:55.920 they've won three pieces of gear and they're kind of 2509 02:15:55.920 --> 02:15:58.279 expected to pass this other item over and they just 2510 02:15:58.319 --> 02:16:01.800 go fucking battie over it, man, Like it's it's like 2511 02:16:02.520 --> 02:16:07.640 sitting around with heaven made with the pin out of 2512 02:16:07.640 --> 02:16:09.800 it and the lever taped and just sit that in 2513 02:16:09.840 --> 02:16:12.279 the sun and like maybe that tabe will hold out, 2514 02:16:12.399 --> 02:16:14.840 or maybe it'll degenerate and fly off and explode and 2515 02:16:14.840 --> 02:16:15.479 get everybody. 2516 02:16:15.520 --> 02:16:17.439 So yeah, so am I begging for trouble if we 2517 02:16:17.600 --> 02:16:19.760 if we go with anything but plus one markers? 2518 02:16:21.920 --> 02:16:25.520 Potentially yes, But again I don't want to say that 2519 02:16:25.600 --> 02:16:28.279 anybody in this guild is that bloke, But like that 2520 02:16:28.319 --> 02:16:30.079 bloke could definitely be in the guild, you know. 2521 02:16:30.239 --> 02:16:32.879 But the thing that well, yeah, Vooter, as he cleansed 2522 02:16:32.920 --> 02:16:35.079 his story, but wouldn't the beauty of that then be 2523 02:16:35.319 --> 02:16:38.000 that that bloke finds himself without a guild the next day. 2524 02:16:39.319 --> 02:16:42.479 Correct, if that's the path you want to take, if 2525 02:16:42.479 --> 02:16:43.280 that's how you want to. 2526 02:16:45.440 --> 02:16:48.920 Ruthless, would we rather just have them have like acted 2527 02:16:48.959 --> 02:16:52.559 good to begin with because of some slight constraints imposed 2528 02:16:52.600 --> 02:16:54.799 with our vote system, and then they don't have to 2529 02:16:54.799 --> 02:16:56.520 get kicked out of the guild and they never turned 2530 02:16:56.559 --> 02:16:59.639 into a count because there were clearly defined rules that 2531 02:16:59.719 --> 02:17:03.239 were I feel like setting expectations ahead of time is 2532 02:17:03.319 --> 02:17:07.920 ultimately the key to not disappointing people, and so relying 2533 02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:10.879 on a very nebulous rule that is very open to 2534 02:17:11.000 --> 02:17:14.120 interpretation is not a good way to set. 2535 02:17:13.959 --> 02:17:16.399 Up that's fair. And look, I don't want to give 2536 02:17:17.399 --> 02:17:22.760 console potential constant tools with which to exacerbate their continas. 2537 02:17:24.440 --> 02:17:26.959 So look again. 2538 02:17:26.760 --> 02:17:31.360 It's my proposal. You just two plus one and you 2539 02:17:31.600 --> 02:17:34.479 just give extra soft reserves and if people really care, 2540 02:17:34.600 --> 02:17:36.639 like they can just PLoP two sauce feeds on the 2541 02:17:36.680 --> 02:17:38.120 item they really care about, you know. 2542 02:17:38.719 --> 02:17:41.559 Yeah, And see the one thing like regarding like legendaries 2543 02:17:41.600 --> 02:17:44.440 and stuff like that, that is the one time that 2544 02:17:44.559 --> 02:17:48.840 I've honestly, you know, because it is so such a 2545 02:17:48.920 --> 02:17:52.600 rare drop that you know that at that point would 2546 02:17:52.639 --> 02:17:57.600 be a for me, we'd always did a common census 2547 02:17:57.600 --> 02:18:02.760 amongst the raid as a whole of who depending on 2548 02:18:02.799 --> 02:18:05.799 who gets it is where it benefits three the most. 2549 02:18:06.520 --> 02:18:10.120 Well, I think I think fall under the hard reserves, right. 2550 02:18:10.159 --> 02:18:12.799 Yeah, right right, exactly. 2551 02:18:13.479 --> 02:18:15.680 Like whur glaves aren't going to be a for a role, 2552 02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:18.280 I don't think, or if so. 2553 02:18:18.319 --> 02:18:22.920 If if we're putting the proverbial condom on and having 2554 02:18:23.280 --> 02:18:26.920 safe guild sex to protect ourselves, plus one is the 2555 02:18:26.920 --> 02:18:28.280 way to go. Is that what we're saying? 2556 02:18:29.600 --> 02:18:32.879 Mm hmm yeah. And if I could add just the 2557 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:36.360 downside to plus one that I found is that even 2558 02:18:36.360 --> 02:18:39.559 though I advocate for it, is that people might hold 2559 02:18:39.600 --> 02:18:43.120 their roles, but if they do, then about. 2560 02:18:42.959 --> 02:18:45.159 You can police, but you can police that as well. 2561 02:18:45.159 --> 02:18:48.959 You can tell someone that's an upgrade, roll on it. 2562 02:18:50.360 --> 02:18:52.799 I agree. And then also like shards are valuable to 2563 02:18:52.959 --> 02:18:57.600 the guilding shards. So now plus one and also. 2564 02:18:58.719 --> 02:19:03.479 Yeah, right, so if if say say that there's say 2565 02:19:03.520 --> 02:19:09.399 something drops and there's a an uncontested need role, would 2566 02:19:09.440 --> 02:19:11.520 you count that against that person for that being a 2567 02:19:11.559 --> 02:19:14.920 need role? If it's an uncontested. 2568 02:19:14.840 --> 02:19:15.840 That's that's a good question. 2569 02:19:17.239 --> 02:19:19.360 Yeah, that's yeah, because that's ten man, it's going to 2570 02:19:19.399 --> 02:19:20.959 be a lot of uncontested stuff. 2571 02:19:21.479 --> 02:19:25.079 Right, So so they've blown the wall something that was uncontested. 2572 02:19:25.239 --> 02:19:30.440 They're they've blown right, it was uncontested. So what I've 2573 02:19:30.479 --> 02:19:34.399 done in the past is it was an uncontested need role. 2574 02:19:35.200 --> 02:19:39.159 Okay it would be It would then be a minus 2575 02:19:39.360 --> 02:19:41.959 ten or a minus five on their next need roll 2576 02:19:42.520 --> 02:19:45.879 on something. See what I mean Instead of. 2577 02:19:45.879 --> 02:19:49.559 I mean, I'm not, I can tell you I will 2578 02:19:49.600 --> 02:19:52.360 not be loot mass. I will not be loot loot mass. 2579 02:19:52.399 --> 02:19:54.639 I won't be track of that. So whoever is going 2580 02:19:54.680 --> 02:19:56.000 to be doing it is to keep track of it. 2581 02:19:56.079 --> 02:19:59.840 So I'm not going to be taking and loot. So 2582 02:20:00.719 --> 02:20:03.520 I don't care whatever loop system doesn't really affect me 2583 02:20:03.600 --> 02:20:05.959 that much, you know what I mean. Like, that's a 2584 02:20:05.959 --> 02:20:09.920 lot to track. So I'm not I mean, right, go 2585 02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:12.920 for my feelings, Go for whoever wants. 2586 02:20:12.799 --> 02:20:15.600 To people with someone going to jump in there, if 2587 02:20:15.799 --> 02:20:16.559 that's just my opinion. 2588 02:20:17.879 --> 02:20:19.639 I was just about to say, essentially, I feel like 2589 02:20:19.680 --> 02:20:21.559 our guild kind of went through this back and forth 2590 02:20:21.600 --> 02:20:24.000 as well. I honestly like both of these systems. I 2591 02:20:24.040 --> 02:20:27.360 have zero issue with everything everyone's described here. The only 2592 02:20:27.440 --> 02:20:29.399 thing I was gonna say is, as someone who has 2593 02:20:29.440 --> 02:20:31.079 had to manage it in the past, Like, I don't 2594 02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:33.479 know how many people actually have an issue with the 2595 02:20:33.520 --> 02:20:36.200 original just srs. 2596 02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:39.040 With the uh like, uh, whatever you want to call it. 2597 02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:42.479 The consecutive SR is getting you bonus roles like and 2598 02:20:42.520 --> 02:20:45.440 no plus ones. It just it does like I'm not 2599 02:20:45.479 --> 02:20:47.959 sure I get the I know the cons to that, 2600 02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:50.040 but I guess do people have real problems? 2601 02:20:50.120 --> 02:20:50.280 Yeah? 2602 02:20:50.319 --> 02:20:53.319 If if nobody was screaming for plus one initially and 2603 02:20:53.360 --> 02:20:58.040 nobody cares, I see what he's saying, Moose, Yeah. 2604 02:20:56.879 --> 02:20:59.200 It's just less stuff to keep up with, is all. 2605 02:20:59.280 --> 02:21:01.719 Like I I don't want to be that person either. 2606 02:21:01.559 --> 02:21:04.319 And no, no, I agree. And the less the less 2607 02:21:04.319 --> 02:21:08.520 we're putting on management shoulders the fucking better. So it's 2608 02:21:08.559 --> 02:21:12.200 almost like, is it worth Is it worth the one 2609 02:21:12.399 --> 02:21:15.440 rare time when someone's a dickhead and rolls on too 2610 02:21:15.559 --> 02:21:18.200 much stuff for the rest of the time that you're 2611 02:21:18.280 --> 02:21:20.719 enjoying a stress for a non plus one life? Do 2612 02:21:20.760 --> 02:21:21.319 you know what I mean? 2613 02:21:22.600 --> 02:21:23.079 Exactly? 2614 02:21:23.959 --> 02:21:24.959 Yeah? 2615 02:21:25.399 --> 02:21:29.280 I thinks ones though, So it's not like it's that 2616 02:21:29.559 --> 02:21:30.559 much to manage. 2617 02:21:30.639 --> 02:21:34.399 Yeagle Gargle tracks the plus one. That's why that's what 2618 02:21:34.479 --> 02:21:35.079 I was thinking of. 2619 02:21:36.239 --> 02:21:40.159 Actually had I actually had a quick question about so, 2620 02:21:40.200 --> 02:21:42.280 like the bonus rolls that we're talking about at the beginning, 2621 02:21:43.719 --> 02:21:47.040 like can you bank those or like is it per 2622 02:21:47.120 --> 02:21:49.879 tier you know, like let's say through KRA, through S 2623 02:21:49.879 --> 02:21:52.360 S C T K, you know BT Hydel. 2624 02:21:52.559 --> 02:21:52.680 No. 2625 02:21:52.680 --> 02:21:56.000 No, No, you're soft dressing stuff for that tea you're doing, 2626 02:21:56.639 --> 02:22:00.520 and you're resing one like I'm raising a let's say 2627 02:22:00.559 --> 02:22:04.120 a gruel item. Let's say it's dragon'sflye trophy. I'm resting 2628 02:22:04.200 --> 02:22:07.239 that from week one and I reads it fucking eight 2629 02:22:07.280 --> 02:22:12.520 weeks in a row, so I'm basically guaranteed drops. Yeah, 2630 02:22:12.559 --> 02:22:14.520 it's just no, it's a per item. It's it's not 2631 02:22:14.600 --> 02:22:16.680 like a it's not like a buff that you're putting 2632 02:22:16.680 --> 02:22:19.360 on yourself for anything that drops. It's a per item thing. 2633 02:22:21.719 --> 02:22:24.799 RNG protection is how I like to think of it. 2634 02:22:25.600 --> 02:22:28.040 Yeah, it doesn't sound too bad. Yeah, are you guys 2635 02:22:28.200 --> 02:22:31.920 rolling after each boss for items or is it like 2636 02:22:32.600 --> 02:22:35.159 half way through like the instance. 2637 02:22:35.239 --> 02:22:37.639 With with the Saturday Friday Ray can do whatever they 2638 02:22:37.639 --> 02:22:39.840 want with the Saturday Raid. I'm going to say to 2639 02:22:39.879 --> 02:22:43.079 the guys if they're okay with it, I will be distributing. 2640 02:22:43.159 --> 02:22:45.840 We'll take care of loot once we down the boss 2641 02:22:45.879 --> 02:22:47.719 just knock it out while we're while we're you know, 2642 02:22:48.079 --> 02:22:50.399 sitting there drinking up or running to the next pack. 2643 02:22:51.159 --> 02:22:53.280 I don't want to do loot at the end personally 2644 02:22:53.360 --> 02:22:56.079 in my Saturday raid, but the Friday guys can do 2645 02:22:56.159 --> 02:22:56.719 what they want. 2646 02:22:58.120 --> 02:23:00.559 Yeah, it's just easier to distribute it as were running 2647 02:23:01.239 --> 02:23:04.840 the next next available area. Honestly, yeah, I. 2648 02:23:04.840 --> 02:23:08.440 Would say the maybe grolling mag you might want to 2649 02:23:08.479 --> 02:23:11.159 do both at the end, all right, So yeah, the 2650 02:23:11.200 --> 02:23:12.600 high ticket first. 2651 02:23:12.600 --> 02:23:17.280 I personally hate distributing loot while I'm playing, Like, I 2652 02:23:17.319 --> 02:23:22.239 don't like pulling packs and doing stuff and trying to 2653 02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:24.879 roll stuff out and worry I'm gonna miss something and. 2654 02:23:25.000 --> 02:23:27.000 I sounds like a healer mane. 2655 02:23:28.239 --> 02:23:30.239 Look yeah, well yeah, I've done that before where I'm 2656 02:23:30.280 --> 02:23:31.959 like not paying attention so I'm trying to keep somebody 2657 02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:33.719 alive because I did something stupid and then all of 2658 02:23:33.760 --> 02:23:35.239 a sudden it's like, oh shit, no, I needed to 2659 02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:36.479 roll on that. 2660 02:23:36.479 --> 02:23:39.479 That's up to you guys. So I'm ultimately like, las, 2661 02:23:39.479 --> 02:23:43.440 what I'm getting at is I want you guys to 2662 02:23:44.559 --> 02:23:48.479 mostly abide by the same rules that the Saturday radis. 2663 02:23:48.479 --> 02:23:51.319 So with someway uniform. If there's you know, people chopping 2664 02:23:51.319 --> 02:23:56.239 and changing whatever they know the drill. But I will say, like, look, 2665 02:23:56.639 --> 02:24:01.719 having now talked to everyone personally, I think that I'm 2666 02:24:01.760 --> 02:24:04.840 going to go with no plus one in the Saturday raid. 2667 02:24:04.879 --> 02:24:07.159 We're just going to do the two soft resors and 2668 02:24:07.319 --> 02:24:10.879 the regular rolling. But you guys, if for some reason 2669 02:24:10.920 --> 02:24:12.920 you want to do plus ones in Fridays, I'm going 2670 02:24:12.959 --> 02:24:14.000 to leave that up to you. 2671 02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:18.760 Okay, Well, i'll see if it's okay with you, I'll 2672 02:24:18.760 --> 02:24:21.079 see who is going to volunteer the master Yeah. 2673 02:24:21.000 --> 02:24:22.319 Yeah, yeah, so I'm not You don't have to make 2674 02:24:22.319 --> 02:24:24.200 your mind up now, just just have a think about it, 2675 02:24:26.760 --> 02:24:27.239 all right. 2676 02:24:27.399 --> 02:24:30.200 Cool, So I think gargle that ad On can can 2677 02:24:30.239 --> 02:24:32.959 track it. But yeah, I don't want to put too 2678 02:24:33.040 --> 02:24:34.479 much on the master leader. 2679 02:24:34.760 --> 02:24:37.719 So let's let's jump over to the old. If everyone's 2680 02:24:37.799 --> 02:24:41.079 everyone sounds mostly happy with that. No one's like fuck this. 2681 02:24:41.920 --> 02:24:44.879 Any fucking raid that does soft resors won't have me 2682 02:24:44.959 --> 02:24:48.319 in it. You're all fucking casuals. Fuck you. Everyone seems 2683 02:24:48.319 --> 02:24:51.399 pretty okay with's what we're doing. Like we said, everyone's 2684 02:24:51.399 --> 02:24:53.559 sweaty days are behind them. No one gives a shit, 2685 02:24:53.559 --> 02:24:56.159 it's our third time through TBC. We all just want 2686 02:24:56.159 --> 02:24:57.680 to have fun together and no one gives a fuck. 2687 02:24:57.840 --> 02:25:00.520 The whole point of this, this Raid Team one and 2688 02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:04.799 two is that I don't want anyone in these raid 2689 02:25:04.840 --> 02:25:08.159 teams who's going to sook over loot. Look, there might 2690 02:25:08.200 --> 02:25:10.360 be some things that, like, you know, you get into, like, 2691 02:25:10.399 --> 02:25:12.280 hey man, I do actually think that'd be better for me? 2692 02:25:12.399 --> 02:25:13.920 Oh is it better for you? It might be better 2693 02:25:13.959 --> 02:25:16.479 for me. Like that stuff will happen, But I don't 2694 02:25:16.520 --> 02:25:20.120 want people really spitting the dummy and losing sleep and 2695 02:25:20.159 --> 02:25:22.799 cracking shit over not getting the piece of loot they want. 2696 02:25:23.040 --> 02:25:26.360 Nobody gives a fuck. We're all casual, fucking chilled out dads. 2697 02:25:26.399 --> 02:25:28.959 As you heard from everyone in the introduction. That's the 2698 02:25:28.959 --> 02:25:31.200 theme of countdown is I don't give a shit and 2699 02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:32.879 I want to rave with people who don't give a shit. 2700 02:25:33.000 --> 02:25:36.399 And that's the whole point. But I'll move on to 2701 02:25:36.760 --> 02:25:38.600 speaking of not giving a shit, there will be some 2702 02:25:38.680 --> 02:25:40.840 things we kind of are forced by the game to 2703 02:25:40.879 --> 02:25:43.879 give a shit about, and that's the hard reskue. So 2704 02:25:45.399 --> 02:25:48.159 this is a conversation that involves both raiate teams and 2705 02:25:48.200 --> 02:25:50.479 Saturday Rate Team. I promise I am getting to us, 2706 02:25:51.559 --> 02:25:53.479 but we can all get in on this one, because, 2707 02:25:53.479 --> 02:25:55.120 like I said, I think there's about you know, four 2708 02:25:55.200 --> 02:25:57.840 or five six items that the game dictates, you know, 2709 02:25:57.879 --> 02:26:01.719 shouldn't just be necessarily left up to RNG or rolling, 2710 02:26:01.840 --> 02:26:04.159 Like you've got to put these aside for certain people 2711 02:26:04.200 --> 02:26:06.280 who earn them or who need them, or whatever it 2712 02:26:06.360 --> 02:26:10.639 might be. So I want to get everyone's feedback on 2713 02:26:10.920 --> 02:26:16.000 which items you believe should be hard res in TBC 2714 02:26:16.280 --> 02:26:18.559 for you and your raid. Now, Las and I have 2715 02:26:18.600 --> 02:26:21.920 discussed this very very briefly about a month ago, and 2716 02:26:22.239 --> 02:26:24.920 you know, Laz sent me through a short list of 2717 02:26:24.959 --> 02:26:28.239 items which I very much so agreed with, and I'm 2718 02:26:28.239 --> 02:26:30.360 just trying to find that message now here it is. 2719 02:26:30.920 --> 02:26:33.159 And I think the obvious one, obviously Phase one only 2720 02:26:33.200 --> 02:26:36.920 has wider one item. It's Dragonspine Trophy. Everyone can, I'm 2721 02:26:36.959 --> 02:26:40.799 sure agree that that should be hard res and you 2722 02:26:40.799 --> 02:26:45.520 know who you want to distribute it to. Again, I 2723 02:26:45.559 --> 02:26:48.239 will leave to you guys in the Friday raid, and 2724 02:26:48.280 --> 02:26:51.319 I'll say to our guys in the Saturday raid, We're 2725 02:26:51.440 --> 02:26:54.239 just we're just going with a common sense approach here, 2726 02:26:54.239 --> 02:26:56.600 and I think that's going to dictate, you know, like 2727 02:26:56.639 --> 02:26:59.399 I said, even though the Saturday rate team will not 2728 02:26:59.520 --> 02:27:01.760 be a doping the plus one system, We're just going 2729 02:27:01.840 --> 02:27:05.079 to roll all of those roles are going to go 2730 02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:09.760 on a common sense and you know, general congeniality and 2731 02:27:09.840 --> 02:27:13.600 politeness vibe. Hey mate, I got the last one. You 2732 02:27:13.719 --> 02:27:16.559 take that one. Yeah, no worries, mate. You know what, 2733 02:27:16.719 --> 02:27:19.399 you do a fuckload more damage than me. You should 2734 02:27:19.440 --> 02:27:22.559 probably have that one. Yeah, thanks mate, No worries. Again. 2735 02:27:22.680 --> 02:27:25.399 It might be an unachievable utopia, but this is just 2736 02:27:25.399 --> 02:27:26.799 what I want to see out of my raid and 2737 02:27:26.799 --> 02:27:28.680 what I'll be pushing for. So when it comes to 2738 02:27:28.760 --> 02:27:31.959 Dragonspine Trophy again, I want common seal sense to kind 2739 02:27:31.959 --> 02:27:34.879 of prevail. I want the Friday team and the Saturday 2740 02:27:34.920 --> 02:27:38.680 team to have you know, five team member leadership group 2741 02:27:38.719 --> 02:27:41.719 that is effectively a five team loot council for these 2742 02:27:41.760 --> 02:27:45.520 hard resed items. That these five guys get together, they 2743 02:27:45.559 --> 02:27:47.879 can take on board the feedback from the raid and 2744 02:27:47.920 --> 02:27:52.079 go all right, guys. You know it's between person one, 2745 02:27:52.159 --> 02:27:55.879 two and three for dst old mate, he does a 2746 02:27:55.959 --> 02:27:59.520 fuckload of damage. He turns up to raid every week, 2747 02:28:00.479 --> 02:28:03.680 you know, good to go. He's very very good with 2748 02:28:03.719 --> 02:28:06.399 the guild outside of raids. He runs the rogues with 2749 02:28:06.440 --> 02:28:08.799 people all the time. He fucking does his professions. He's 2750 02:28:08.840 --> 02:28:11.280 a legend. You know, he gets a lot of fucking 2751 02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:16.000 shout outs for DST. Cool. Oh but you know this 2752 02:28:16.040 --> 02:28:18.840 guy pumps too, but he really doesn't do anything for 2753 02:28:18.879 --> 02:28:21.040 the guild outside of the raid. Okay, well that might 2754 02:28:21.079 --> 02:28:23.520 be a bit of a minus point in his column. 2755 02:28:23.799 --> 02:28:27.559 Like you know, I just I also don't want it 2756 02:28:27.600 --> 02:28:29.399 to be the opposite where it's like, this guy's the 2757 02:28:29.399 --> 02:28:32.360 best guilty of all time, but he does fuck all 2758 02:28:32.440 --> 02:28:34.760 damage in the raid and has been, you know, kind 2759 02:28:34.799 --> 02:28:37.879 of shaky on the old DPS. Well, we're not necessarily 2760 02:28:37.879 --> 02:28:40.239 just going to give him DPS so DST for being 2761 02:28:40.239 --> 02:28:44.600 a fucking legend. So again it's common sense prevailing. Laz. 2762 02:28:44.680 --> 02:28:45.920 Is this making sense? 2763 02:28:48.600 --> 02:28:49.600 I personally love it. 2764 02:28:51.639 --> 02:28:57.040 So it's it's not also predetermined. These big ticket items 2765 02:28:57.079 --> 02:29:01.239 like free freak He's the greatest example. Laves for both 2766 02:29:01.239 --> 02:29:06.799 the Friday and Saturday team has not been predetermined. I 2767 02:29:06.840 --> 02:29:10.479 am playing a Fury Warrior on the Saturday team, and 2768 02:29:10.680 --> 02:29:15.079 I am not predetermining the glazes will be mine. That 2769 02:29:15.159 --> 02:29:19.040 will be a decision made later down the track. Now 2770 02:29:19.479 --> 02:29:21.520 you can all laugh at me if I still give 2771 02:29:21.559 --> 02:29:24.559 them to myself, and I know it's like hahaha the 2772 02:29:24.639 --> 02:29:27.760 gm oh, my god, here we go. But no, it'll 2773 02:29:27.799 --> 02:29:31.600 be a case of again, like I say, a month's 2774 02:29:31.680 --> 02:29:35.719 long determination of who's done you good performance in the 2775 02:29:35.799 --> 02:29:39.000 raid and who has been a good guilty And if 2776 02:29:39.000 --> 02:29:42.120 I check that box, fucking oath, I'm giving myself glaves, 2777 02:29:42.159 --> 02:29:44.639 go fuck yourselves. But if there's someone in my raid 2778 02:29:44.719 --> 02:29:48.959 who is annihilating me on the meters, mate, congratulations, you 2779 02:29:49.040 --> 02:29:53.200 discerned yourself fucking glaves, I don't care. That's fine. So 2780 02:29:54.440 --> 02:29:58.159 I do enjoy the concept of a guild, and I 2781 02:29:58.200 --> 02:30:00.159 truly think we're going to be somewhat you need in 2782 02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:07.799 disregard where these big ticket items have not been pre allocated. 2783 02:30:08.239 --> 02:30:10.399 They are there to be urged, and I want that 2784 02:30:10.479 --> 02:30:13.239 to be the carrot on the stick for people. Now, 2785 02:30:13.319 --> 02:30:15.799 I want to hear from you Friday raid guys. Does 2786 02:30:15.840 --> 02:30:16.799 that sound good to you? 2787 02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:21.159 Yeah? 2788 02:30:21.280 --> 02:30:21.520 Yes? 2789 02:30:21.600 --> 02:30:34.639 As a shadow briefs, I look forward to earning myclaves. 2790 02:30:29.079 --> 02:30:30.399 Very good, very good. 2791 02:30:32.319 --> 02:30:34.920 Just one quick thing in terms of like items as well, 2792 02:30:35.520 --> 02:30:39.000 the iron mac theredin that is prop Islan's like prom 2793 02:30:39.040 --> 02:30:41.799 a bit drink it because when you look at the effect, 2794 02:30:41.879 --> 02:30:44.399 it particularly only triggers off getting resisted. And when you 2795 02:30:44.399 --> 02:30:47.239 look at propilans, especially when they go into resistance sets 2796 02:30:47.360 --> 02:30:49.040 or a shear set where you have to get like 2797 02:30:49.079 --> 02:30:51.760 an extra ten percent of avoidance, that drink is basically 2798 02:30:52.120 --> 02:30:54.520 best to stop because like you'll never be able to 2799 02:30:54.600 --> 02:30:57.799 get the spell hit while doing those like resistance sets 2800 02:30:58.280 --> 02:31:00.760 or heavy mitigation sets as well. So because like a 2801 02:31:00.799 --> 02:31:03.879 lot of answers just try to roll on our drinket, 2802 02:31:03.879 --> 02:31:05.840 what is specifically like for prop ublems. 2803 02:31:05.920 --> 02:31:07.799 Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Taraiak. Thank you 2804 02:31:07.840 --> 02:31:09.920 for the assistance, because now we're going to start naming 2805 02:31:09.959 --> 02:31:11.799 the items that we do need to sort of hard 2806 02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:14.760 reds and put aside. And if there are items, like 2807 02:31:14.799 --> 02:31:16.840 you say in that list that even though I say 2808 02:31:16.959 --> 02:31:19.799 they're not predetermined, they kind of have to go to 2809 02:31:19.840 --> 02:31:24.719 one particular spec over other people blatantly, and I don't 2810 02:31:24.760 --> 02:31:26.639 know if those items exist do you guys will have 2811 02:31:26.680 --> 02:31:29.040 to help me. So let's get go through it very 2812 02:31:29.120 --> 02:31:31.799 very quickly here through phase one. Like I said, no 2813 02:31:31.840 --> 02:31:33.840 one's going to argue that DST needs to be hard 2814 02:31:33.879 --> 02:31:41.079 rest right needs to be done dst hard rest. Now 2815 02:31:41.360 --> 02:31:44.319 that was the only item I had personally from phase one. 2816 02:31:44.360 --> 02:31:48.399 But Tara Yak raises this this thing I didn't know about, Laz, 2817 02:31:48.399 --> 02:31:51.799 did you know about this palettine item? 2818 02:31:52.079 --> 02:31:53.440 Kind of questions out of course I did. 2819 02:31:53.680 --> 02:31:55.559 Okay, So do you agree to Tarayac or not? 2820 02:31:58.520 --> 02:32:02.040 It's unthingly I don't agree, but the and I want 2821 02:32:02.040 --> 02:32:04.639 to hear feedback from obviously Josh you more importantly, but 2822 02:32:04.680 --> 02:32:10.399 everyone and Friday is I I'm kind of uncomfortable hard 2823 02:32:10.399 --> 02:32:13.200 resident stuff for myself. So what I'd like to do 2824 02:32:13.319 --> 02:32:15.440 is as we go along, I'll talk to the people 2825 02:32:15.600 --> 02:32:18.760 who it affects, like the casters and it's like hey, 2826 02:32:18.879 --> 02:32:22.360 like I or with a tier piece, like hey, this 2827 02:32:22.440 --> 02:32:24.760 piece is particularly important to me. You know. Do you 2828 02:32:24.840 --> 02:32:27.079 mind if I get the first one as the main 2829 02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:30.040 tank and I'll I'll find some other piece of gear 2830 02:32:30.079 --> 02:32:32.520 to catch you back with, sort of like a congenial 2831 02:32:32.879 --> 02:32:34.840 you know. So I don't want to necessarily hard and 2832 02:32:34.879 --> 02:32:36.520 if people say no, I want that, I'm too. I 2833 02:32:36.559 --> 02:32:41.280 don't mind rolling. I I'm quite no one piece of 2834 02:32:41.319 --> 02:32:43.600 gear is going to prevent me from playing my class, 2835 02:32:43.719 --> 02:32:43.959 I know. 2836 02:32:44.319 --> 02:32:50.079 I I want to heart technically technically it's it's it's 2837 02:32:50.159 --> 02:32:54.319 better for prop paladins than it is for other casts. 2838 02:32:54.520 --> 02:32:56.799 Doesn't necessarily mean that they can't make use of it. 2839 02:32:56.760 --> 02:32:57.920 To well, that's what I'm saying. 2840 02:32:57.920 --> 02:32:59.559 It just depends on people feel like, I don't want 2841 02:32:59.559 --> 02:33:01.360 to lose I don't want to lose raiders over gear. 2842 02:33:01.680 --> 02:33:05.520 Is it to the point gear and make do than 2843 02:33:05.559 --> 02:33:06.840 to people what. 2844 02:33:06.840 --> 02:33:08.680 I'm getting out of it? Is it such an upgrade 2845 02:33:08.719 --> 02:33:10.840 to the point that it should be hard risked? 2846 02:33:13.159 --> 02:33:15.719 There are other threat trinkets I can use that are 2847 02:33:15.760 --> 02:33:18.000 not quite as good, but are like, it's not gonna 2848 02:33:18.040 --> 02:33:19.479 like it's not going to be the difference for the 2849 02:33:19.559 --> 02:33:19.959 killer or not. 2850 02:33:20.079 --> 02:33:23.719 Okay, I want to know, I want to hear. 2851 02:33:24.399 --> 02:33:26.600 Just point out it's not necessarily like because it's so 2852 02:33:26.719 --> 02:33:29.639 much whatever. It's because of the unique effect that it's 2853 02:33:29.680 --> 02:33:34.319 like it triggers when it gets resisted, Like the cast 2854 02:33:34.399 --> 02:33:36.399 is never going to trigger that proc Whereas with the 2855 02:33:36.399 --> 02:33:38.799 prop boblem specifically, for like being able to swap out 2856 02:33:38.840 --> 02:33:42.040 gear pieces very handy to have this effect because it 2857 02:33:42.079 --> 02:33:42.760 will should be. 2858 02:33:42.719 --> 02:33:43.799 Like your your permit drinket. 2859 02:33:44.040 --> 02:33:46.079 When you're swapping out gear, you don't you don't have 2860 02:33:46.159 --> 02:33:48.639 to care about the spell hit because you get resisted. 2861 02:33:48.639 --> 02:33:49.520 It's actually a benefit. 2862 02:33:50.719 --> 02:33:52.120 I don't disagree, I just don't. 2863 02:33:54.040 --> 02:33:57.280 I'm not gonna they're in a fair fair enough so 2864 02:33:57.319 --> 02:33:58.799 let me ask the rest of the right peace and 2865 02:33:58.879 --> 02:34:01.360 all I'll add before you guys have your say is 2866 02:34:01.920 --> 02:34:06.239 personally again, because I think the common sense rules should 2867 02:34:06.239 --> 02:34:08.280 apply over a lot of this shit. 2868 02:34:09.000 --> 02:34:13.280 Is I'm okay with giving things to the tank first 2869 02:34:13.319 --> 02:34:15.959 that's going to make it easier for the raid. But 2870 02:34:16.079 --> 02:34:19.120 this is again up to you Friday guys, I want 2871 02:34:19.159 --> 02:34:23.200 to hear from Vestige MAKA two fucking you know, everybody here, 2872 02:34:23.280 --> 02:34:26.920 tell me what you think. Most person I'm all for it. 2873 02:34:28.000 --> 02:34:30.000 Yeah, I'm not part of that ratam, but I agree. 2874 02:34:30.120 --> 02:34:34.399 I think if there's you know, items that benefit the 2875 02:34:34.399 --> 02:34:37.639 tank that will make the rate easier down the line, 2876 02:34:38.319 --> 02:34:40.239 I think they should order them first. 2877 02:34:40.840 --> 02:34:41.040 Yeah. 2878 02:34:41.159 --> 02:34:42.959 Absolutely, Like I'll say, you're got to have a two 2879 02:34:43.040 --> 02:34:46.319 set that's you know, very overpowered or whatever, or maybe 2880 02:34:46.360 --> 02:34:49.159 not overpowered, but you know, very very beneficial towards the 2881 02:34:49.239 --> 02:34:52.239 raid overall, I think you know, you can prioritize a 2882 02:34:52.239 --> 02:34:54.600 couple of pieces in the first week or two. 2883 02:34:55.719 --> 02:34:56.319 So is it. 2884 02:34:56.399 --> 02:34:56.639 Sorry? 2885 02:34:56.639 --> 02:34:59.559 See, I've always been I've always been one. When I'm 2886 02:34:59.559 --> 02:35:03.200 looking at the at the soft reserve, you know, I'm 2887 02:35:03.200 --> 02:35:06.879 looking at who's soft reserving and what obviously, and usually 2888 02:35:06.959 --> 02:35:10.680 if it's a tank or even honestly a healer, you know, 2889 02:35:11.399 --> 02:35:14.239 anything that benefits, I'm not even going to put a 2890 02:35:14.319 --> 02:35:17.440 soft in for it. I mean, that's just that's just me. 2891 02:35:17.920 --> 02:35:20.760 I mean, I'm not I agree with you. I think 2892 02:35:20.799 --> 02:35:22.680 that could solve it rather than hard reserving stuff. I'll 2893 02:35:22.719 --> 02:35:24.799 just be like, hey, guys, look at what I'm soft reserving. 2894 02:35:24.840 --> 02:35:27.719 I'm doing it for a reason. If you wouldn't mind, 2895 02:35:27.840 --> 02:35:29.399 you know, no hard feelings. If you want to roll 2896 02:35:29.399 --> 02:35:32.280 against me, but please don't want to say them, then 2897 02:35:32.319 --> 02:35:33.479 I don't have to say you just see what. 2898 02:35:34.879 --> 02:35:35.920 That's absolutely fair. 2899 02:35:36.079 --> 02:35:39.280 I mean, that's that's why it's not like unfair where 2900 02:35:39.280 --> 02:35:41.120 it's like I get all the like every single piece. 2901 02:35:41.120 --> 02:35:42.399 Oh I need that, I need that. I need that. 2902 02:35:42.399 --> 02:35:45.600 That's why it's like one thing a week. 2903 02:35:47.399 --> 02:35:50.040 A set bonus or something like that they're achieving. 2904 02:35:50.200 --> 02:35:52.079 I mean that might be exactly fact. 2905 02:35:52.920 --> 02:35:56.440 That's that's the major power spike or something like that. 2906 02:35:56.600 --> 02:35:58.280 I want to that's what I put the SR for. 2907 02:35:58.520 --> 02:36:00.200 So I think that can take care of it than 2908 02:36:00.280 --> 02:36:00.680 hard reserve. 2909 02:36:00.760 --> 02:36:03.840 Okay, okay, cool cool. So, by the way, guys, I 2910 02:36:04.120 --> 02:36:07.520 can't emphasize this enough. I know some people are usually 2911 02:36:07.559 --> 02:36:11.319 a bit scared to naysay on this podcast. They feel like, 2912 02:36:11.360 --> 02:36:13.319 I don't want to speak against what Josh wants or 2913 02:36:13.319 --> 02:36:15.600 whateveryone else wants on the podcast, so I kept quiet 2914 02:36:15.600 --> 02:36:17.879 and I'll just bring it up later. Please, this is 2915 02:36:17.920 --> 02:36:20.319 your time. We don't care if you disagree with something 2916 02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:23.920 where you know, basically agreeing to do please have your 2917 02:36:24.000 --> 02:36:27.440 voice heard. Like it's not going to bother anyone. It's fine. 2918 02:36:27.760 --> 02:36:29.399 So all right, so we'll keep that one off. 2919 02:36:31.879 --> 02:36:35.200 They say one more thing with that, because anybody, and 2920 02:36:35.399 --> 02:36:37.799 this way, if I if I officer something and you like, hey, 2921 02:36:37.840 --> 02:36:39.879 I really want that to just like you can message 2922 02:36:39.920 --> 02:36:42.680 me privately and be like, hey, could could I have 2923 02:36:42.959 --> 02:36:44.600 Do you mind if I roll on that I want 2924 02:36:44.639 --> 02:36:47.360 it for this reason, and I'm sure I'll say yes. 2925 02:36:47.840 --> 02:36:51.239 This way if you don't feel comfortable like, okay, objecting it, 2926 02:36:51.319 --> 02:36:52.799 you know, in public or or whatever, and you don't 2927 02:36:52.840 --> 02:36:55.399 and you don't want to like be that guy who 2928 02:36:55.479 --> 02:36:57.479 rolls it, you know, puts an SR against me and 2929 02:36:57.639 --> 02:36:59.840 be public and everyone's like oh, like, shit's on you. You 2930 02:36:59.840 --> 02:37:02.319 can just messed the privately. And I'm sure I probably just. 2931 02:37:02.520 --> 02:37:06.399 Call me romantic, call me romantic, but I genuinely don't 2932 02:37:06.440 --> 02:37:09.760 think we're going to have many big glup blow ups 2933 02:37:09.799 --> 02:37:13.920 with this crew. But we shall see. Now, Look, uh 2934 02:37:14.079 --> 02:37:16.639 so that's that's Is it crazy for me to say 2935 02:37:17.239 --> 02:37:19.520 the only item in phase one that we're putting on 2936 02:37:19.559 --> 02:37:22.079 the hard res list is DST. 2937 02:37:23.479 --> 02:37:23.600 No? 2938 02:37:23.639 --> 02:37:26.200 I think So that's it. Beautiful, easy, Okay, so we 2939 02:37:26.200 --> 02:37:28.879 move on to phase two. Now we've got. 2940 02:37:30.079 --> 02:37:32.840 Yeah, I wanted to, well, just going back to like 2941 02:37:32.879 --> 02:37:35.639 you're saying about being like the you know, people being 2942 02:37:35.680 --> 02:37:38.879 shy about saying stuff obviously, like I don't have a 2943 02:37:38.920 --> 02:37:41.040 leg to stand around. This goes back to when you 2944 02:37:41.079 --> 02:37:44.600 guys were talking about the plus one and he had 2945 02:37:44.639 --> 02:37:50.079 mentioned that I'm getting feedback. I'm sorry. You know, if 2946 02:37:50.079 --> 02:37:52.319 there's a no contested role, he said, you know, if 2947 02:37:52.360 --> 02:37:56.639 somebody got it on no contest, that essentially they would 2948 02:37:56.639 --> 02:37:59.360 get negative points. If it's no contest, why would you 2949 02:37:59.399 --> 02:38:03.280 get negative pointed and then essentially just hurt. It would 2950 02:38:03.319 --> 02:38:07.879 make that no contest basically a useless way of rolling, 2951 02:38:07.959 --> 02:38:09.760 because then you're just going to hurt yourself when there 2952 02:38:09.799 --> 02:38:10.680 is something contested. 2953 02:38:10.959 --> 02:38:13.600 I personally agree, but like I said, I'll let the 2954 02:38:13.639 --> 02:38:18.799 Friday Raids sort that out. I would not count the 2955 02:38:18.920 --> 02:38:22.440 role on uncontested loot as a role, but that's just me. 2956 02:38:22.520 --> 02:38:24.959 It sounded like cast it felt the same way, But 2957 02:38:25.000 --> 02:38:27.239 I'll let the Friday Raids sort that out for themselves. 2958 02:38:27.239 --> 02:38:29.600 The Saturday Raid is not doing plus one, so we 2959 02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:30.639 don't have to worry about this. 2960 02:38:32.440 --> 02:38:34.760 Sick now. 2961 02:38:35.319 --> 02:38:41.399 Phase two. Does everyone agree that the expetite belt off 2962 02:38:41.520 --> 02:38:46.399 Vash should be hard breads? Yes? No, maybe crickets. 2963 02:38:47.840 --> 02:38:50.000 It depends on which class, my class or not. 2964 02:38:50.440 --> 02:38:51.719 Yeah, that's a hard question. 2965 02:38:51.879 --> 02:38:56.639 Well but it's a high Sorry, Well, it's a highly contested, 2966 02:38:56.719 --> 02:38:58.200 highly coveted item, isn't it. 2967 02:38:59.399 --> 02:39:02.200 Yes, Because bear in mind, just like there's no expertise 2968 02:39:02.200 --> 02:39:03.879 it's barely on the expertise in the game until like 2969 02:39:03.920 --> 02:39:05.000 phase four, Phase five. 2970 02:39:06.079 --> 02:39:08.440 Yeah, so it's correct me if I'm wrong, the belt 2971 02:39:08.440 --> 02:39:10.079 of one hundred deaths? Is that right? 2972 02:39:11.479 --> 02:39:11.680 Yep? 2973 02:39:12.120 --> 02:39:15.200 Okay, so it's a fifteen percent drop chance off Lady Vash. 2974 02:39:15.319 --> 02:39:19.079 It has the following statistics twenty nine AGI, twenty five stam. 2975 02:39:19.200 --> 02:39:23.399 It's leather, red socket, blue socket, twenty five expertise, seventy 2976 02:39:23.399 --> 02:39:30.399 four attack power. So obviously you're looking at rogues, fury warriors. 2977 02:39:30.559 --> 02:39:33.079 I don't know if fucking enhancement Sharman want it. I 2978 02:39:33.079 --> 02:39:37.159 don't know feral druids, Red Palace very much. 2979 02:39:37.239 --> 02:39:38.559 Every Melee, every. 2980 02:39:38.440 --> 02:39:41.200 Every malaybal character is gonna watch these fair feral druids 2981 02:39:41.239 --> 02:39:44.239 will want it. I mean tanks, oh. 2982 02:39:44.159 --> 02:39:45.639 Yeah, oh yeah. 2983 02:39:46.639 --> 02:39:49.520 I think if you don't a hard resid, it's just 2984 02:39:49.520 --> 02:39:50.840 going to be on everyone's software. 2985 02:39:51.440 --> 02:39:54.280 Yeah, and that's what you want to avoid. 2986 02:39:54.719 --> 02:39:56.760 Yeah, because then they're just burning it on ship that, 2987 02:39:56.959 --> 02:39:59.440 like they're just throwing their softwares on that and they're 2988 02:39:59.479 --> 02:40:03.159 just not getting anything else. So because they've got a 2989 02:40:03.159 --> 02:40:06.440 big boner for that particular item. So yeah, anything that 2990 02:40:06.520 --> 02:40:08.799 kind of fits that category, I'd supporting. 2991 02:40:10.479 --> 02:40:12.559 I love your rationale there. I think that's good. If 2992 02:40:12.600 --> 02:40:14.600 every man and his dog is fucking soft razing it 2993 02:40:14.639 --> 02:40:17.040 for weeks on end, maybe it should be a hard 2994 02:40:17.120 --> 02:40:19.520 rares I agree. So what do you reckon, guys? We 2995 02:40:19.559 --> 02:40:25.399 throw this one on the list. Yeah yeah, okay, next 2996 02:40:25.479 --> 02:40:31.840 up the tsunami talisman. Do you guys know about this one? 2997 02:40:33.000 --> 02:40:33.200 Yeah? 2998 02:40:35.479 --> 02:40:38.040 So I'll read out the states for those of you 2999 02:40:38.079 --> 02:40:42.440 who are unfamiliar. It's a trinkett. Great trinket drops off 3000 02:40:42.559 --> 02:40:46.760 leotheris the blind or leotheris the blind, and it gives 3001 02:40:46.799 --> 02:40:49.719 you ten hit rating thirty eight creit rating and a 3002 02:40:50.000 --> 02:40:52.520 chance on critical hit to increase your attack power by 3003 02:40:52.559 --> 02:40:54.760 three hundred and forty for ten seconds with a ten 3004 02:40:54.799 --> 02:40:58.520 percent prop chance and a forty five second I c D. 3005 02:41:00.479 --> 02:41:06.360 Very very nice trinket for Malay. What do you guys reckon. 3006 02:41:08.360 --> 02:41:12.360 Right hardras? But it depends, you know, like like where 3007 02:41:12.360 --> 02:41:13.239 your group compers? 3008 02:41:13.719 --> 02:41:19.079 Yeah, all right, so does anyone not think that should 3009 02:41:19.079 --> 02:41:22.840 be hard rest? All right, very good, we'll stick it 3010 02:41:22.879 --> 02:41:27.920 on the list. Next up, we've got the uh hang 3011 02:41:27.959 --> 02:41:33.559 on here, the ilidin item. I think it's illogant, bear 3012 02:41:33.600 --> 02:41:38.760 with me, madness of the betrayal. It drops sorry off 3013 02:41:38.920 --> 02:41:45.479 high nethermancer Zerovore. It is again a trinket, hit rating twenty, 3014 02:41:46.360 --> 02:41:50.440 tack power eighty four. Your Malayan range attacks have a 3015 02:41:50.559 --> 02:41:52.840 chance to allow you to ignore three hundred of your 3016 02:41:52.920 --> 02:41:57.319 enemy's armor for ten seconds. So Malay and hunters, everyone 3017 02:41:57.760 --> 02:41:59.879 feel like this one should be a hard res. 3018 02:42:01.360 --> 02:42:08.239 No's a PvP item. 3019 02:42:08.280 --> 02:42:12.360 It's pretty good. It's pretty good. What do you reckon? 3020 02:42:12.680 --> 02:42:15.959 Yeah, I'm a pen is induced man. I don't know 3021 02:42:16.000 --> 02:42:18.879 what it scales like. So well, I don't play Malay, 3022 02:42:19.159 --> 02:42:21.799 so I don't really understand the scaling of it in PV. 3023 02:42:23.399 --> 02:42:26.639 Perhaps some of the Malay chads will enlighten us on that. 3024 02:42:26.680 --> 02:42:29.319 Well, we do the test again, the Marcus smell test. 3025 02:42:29.440 --> 02:42:31.239 Is everyone in the fucking rate going to be hard 3026 02:42:31.280 --> 02:42:33.959 resing this for fucking a month on end? Sorry self 3027 02:42:34.000 --> 02:42:34.639 resing it? You know. 3028 02:42:37.120 --> 02:42:37.479 Again? 3029 02:42:38.239 --> 02:42:40.799 Like it looks good? So probably. 3030 02:42:42.760 --> 02:42:44.719 It's on everyone's burcilst and it's really. 3031 02:42:44.600 --> 02:42:46.719 Okay, all right, done, that's all I need to hear. 3032 02:42:46.719 --> 02:42:48.719 If it's on everyone's bis liss, that's all I need 3033 02:42:48.760 --> 02:42:54.360 to hear. All right, the skull of Goulden. What do 3034 02:42:54.399 --> 02:42:54.920 you reckon? 3035 02:42:57.680 --> 02:42:59.639 O cows be? 3036 02:42:59.639 --> 02:43:02.319 This is that every cast as biss? 3037 02:43:02.600 --> 02:43:05.639 No, I'm pretty sure it is. 3038 02:43:05.799 --> 02:43:09.319 I mean spell every cast is biss. Spell here twenty 3039 02:43:09.319 --> 02:43:12.559 five increases damage and healing by fifty five, and then 3040 02:43:12.600 --> 02:43:15.399 you on you spell haste one seventy five or twenty seconds. 3041 02:43:15.440 --> 02:43:17.000 Every cast is going to want that. Yep, that's on 3042 02:43:17.040 --> 02:43:17.760 the list. 3043 02:43:19.239 --> 02:43:21.280 Yeah all right, and. 3044 02:43:22.920 --> 02:43:23.360 By a lot. 3045 02:43:23.600 --> 02:43:25.559 Yeah, yeah, okay, it's too yeah. 3046 02:43:25.319 --> 02:43:27.440 There's nothing close to it. Nothing touches it. 3047 02:43:28.639 --> 02:43:33.360 War glaves goes without saying. And again, I can't stress 3048 02:43:33.360 --> 02:43:35.239 this enough. I don't want you to think like, don't 3049 02:43:35.239 --> 02:43:37.639 get me wrong, I'd love glaves, but I don't want 3050 02:43:37.639 --> 02:43:40.159 you guys to think that I'm as hungry for glaves 3051 02:43:40.200 --> 02:43:44.200 as you might think, because I really think around the 3052 02:43:44.239 --> 02:43:47.040 time glaves are going to become available that Classic Plus 3053 02:43:47.079 --> 02:43:50.000 will be coming out soon. So I'm not like jonesing 3054 02:43:50.120 --> 02:43:52.399 for glazes. I'll fucking take them because I'd love to 3055 02:43:52.479 --> 02:43:55.159 hit people in a battleground with them, but I'm not like, 3056 02:43:55.840 --> 02:43:58.639 you know, fuck off everyone else. Those are my glaves. 3057 02:44:00.319 --> 02:44:03.959 I believe the ashes are my byss mount slot. 3058 02:44:07.799 --> 02:44:10.559 That's actually a good point. Should should you? Should you 3059 02:44:10.559 --> 02:44:12.959 be able to s r the mount off? Katie? 3060 02:44:13.600 --> 02:44:19.600 How about how about crowds? Okay, all right, hard rids 3061 02:44:19.719 --> 02:44:20.000 there you go. 3062 02:44:20.239 --> 02:44:22.200 You can you can make a loot to some around 3063 02:44:22.239 --> 02:44:24.280 the mountains, though h. 3064 02:44:26.479 --> 02:44:28.879 One way, wouldn't wouldn't everyone wouldn't Your hard res it 3065 02:44:28.959 --> 02:44:30.319 and everyone rolls on it or not. 3066 02:44:31.680 --> 02:44:37.319 I've always liked everybody rolling mount everyone mount everybody rolls. 3067 02:44:37.360 --> 02:44:39.559 I mean, that's that's the way I've always done anyway. 3068 02:44:39.639 --> 02:44:41.200 Yeah, So what I'm saying is you put it on 3069 02:44:41.200 --> 02:44:43.239 the hard rids least so that nobody has to blow 3070 02:44:43.239 --> 02:44:44.120 a soft ras on it. 3071 02:44:47.440 --> 02:44:48.360 Roll Yeah. 3072 02:44:48.399 --> 02:44:50.479 Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. If the mount drops, 3073 02:44:50.479 --> 02:44:52.680 fucking every every kind in the raid rolls on it, 3074 02:44:53.360 --> 02:44:55.920 mm hmm. That well, that's how my raid is going 3075 02:44:56.000 --> 02:45:02.840 to be doing it. So you Friday guys with champions. 3076 02:45:03.319 --> 02:45:04.319 Someone who doesn't. 3077 02:45:04.559 --> 02:45:07.360 I mean there's some raids where the mounts are I 3078 02:45:07.399 --> 02:45:11.639 mean like Okay and sod with the Knacks mounts for 3079 02:45:11.760 --> 02:45:16.440 the UH war horses, you had people like soft rising 3080 02:45:16.479 --> 02:45:18.920 those and things like that. But Ashes is such a 3081 02:45:19.040 --> 02:45:24.280 rare mount drop that it's a zero chance I mean, 3082 02:45:24.479 --> 02:45:26.879 so it's a legendary unto itself. 3083 02:45:27.120 --> 02:45:31.799 So then you have everyone. Yeah, so when you have everyone. 3084 02:45:32.120 --> 02:45:34.479 Cares so much about that mount that they want to 3085 02:45:34.799 --> 02:45:37.959 waste their soft reserve slot on it week after week, 3086 02:45:38.239 --> 02:45:39.920 I personally could not be fucked. 3087 02:45:40.280 --> 02:45:40.920 Yeah exactly. 3088 02:45:41.719 --> 02:45:43.399 Yeah. I say, if people want to want to put 3089 02:45:43.399 --> 02:45:45.159 on their list, we might to stop them. 3090 02:45:45.319 --> 02:45:48.040 Yeah, that's how I feel like. Nobody should put it 3091 02:45:48.120 --> 02:45:50.040 on their list because it's a low drop rate anyway, 3092 02:45:50.079 --> 02:45:52.559 so it'll go to open role. But like, if somebody 3093 02:45:52.639 --> 02:45:55.760 really fucking cares like that'll make them so much happier 3094 02:45:55.799 --> 02:45:57.440 than it will make me from winning it, So I 3095 02:45:57.440 --> 02:45:58.239 don't need it. 3096 02:45:58.079 --> 02:46:00.280 All right, that's easy. They can sell for as it 3097 02:46:00.360 --> 02:46:01.959 if they want Otherwise, it's an open role. 3098 02:46:04.040 --> 02:46:05.959 I want to be rolling on it. 3099 02:46:06.920 --> 02:46:09.639 I won't be throwing a fucking soft reds on that. 3100 02:46:09.719 --> 02:46:11.200 I can guarantee. 3101 02:46:10.680 --> 02:46:18.600 You honestly, knowing that Vestage wants it now, I might 3102 02:46:18.600 --> 02:46:19.120 actually put on. 3103 02:46:23.079 --> 02:46:24.399 I love the pettiness. 3104 02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:27.639 It is one of the best mounts in the game. 3105 02:46:28.719 --> 02:46:32.680 I'd rather have somebody basically put a software as on 3106 02:46:32.719 --> 02:46:34.319 an item that actually needs that will help the raid, 3107 02:46:34.360 --> 02:46:35.920 then you know, on them mount and just have them 3108 02:46:35.920 --> 02:46:36.920 out with like open roll. 3109 02:46:37.280 --> 02:46:42.319 Yeah. Now, look, are there any items I've missed off 3110 02:46:42.319 --> 02:46:45.159 the list? There any sun Well items or anything like? 3111 02:46:45.159 --> 02:46:47.239 Like I said personally, guys, I'm going to be straight 3112 02:46:47.319 --> 02:46:49.959 up with you, I don't think any of us are 3113 02:46:50.000 --> 02:46:52.120 making it to son Well because I think I think 3114 02:46:52.319 --> 02:46:54.719 Classic Plus will be out by then. But let's just 3115 02:46:54.760 --> 02:46:56.840 wait and see. Is there any other items I'm missing 3116 02:46:56.840 --> 02:47:05.760 out from the hard rest list Hunter Pour. 3117 02:47:05.479 --> 02:47:11.879 Specific, Yes, but the same way, the same way I 3118 02:47:11.879 --> 02:47:13.959 was saying that, like that that that that trinket for 3119 02:47:14.040 --> 02:47:17.159 like the is propolem based. Prop problem should never be 3120 02:47:17.200 --> 02:47:21.079 taking a cast of weapon away from uh casters like 3121 02:47:21.399 --> 02:47:24.479 propoland is like bottom prior for cost of weapons. 3122 02:47:24.760 --> 02:47:26.799 They are last you've been put on notice. 3123 02:47:28.040 --> 02:47:28.280 Yeah. 3124 02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:31.959 Oh what I wanted to just say right quick was 3125 02:47:32.079 --> 02:47:34.239 like I really like kind of talking, but I do 3126 02:47:34.360 --> 02:47:36.600 really hope you're right about like classic plus coming out 3127 02:47:36.639 --> 02:47:38.840 by the point of sun. Well like there there's been 3128 02:47:38.879 --> 02:47:40.920 no news, but fuck, I hope you're right, man, because 3129 02:47:40.959 --> 02:47:42.000 it would be kind of awesome. 3130 02:47:42.200 --> 02:47:44.520 I just all I kep saying I had a big argument. 3131 02:47:45.920 --> 02:47:46.920 Sorry you guys last ye go. 3132 02:47:48.280 --> 02:47:51.079 I'm gonna be pvping to get my weapons as trying 3133 02:47:51.079 --> 02:47:55.399 as hard as I can, uh exactly, but all the 3134 02:47:55.479 --> 02:47:57.840 respect for someone not in the guild to be like 3135 02:47:58.200 --> 02:47:59.920 telling us what to do is kind of cringe. 3136 02:48:01.079 --> 02:48:01.360 Lass. 3137 02:48:03.079 --> 02:48:06.079 This is this is the advice like that transcends any 3138 02:48:06.120 --> 02:48:06.760 particular guild. 3139 02:48:07.399 --> 02:48:10.719 Nobody tells Las that to get the web the spellcaster weapons, 3140 02:48:10.920 --> 02:48:11.680 He's the man. 3141 02:48:11.559 --> 02:48:16.079 Take take that tarry out. 3142 02:48:17.920 --> 02:48:18.280 He said. 3143 02:48:18.280 --> 02:48:20.639 The exact reason, like the proplem can get an arena 3144 02:48:20.680 --> 02:48:22.600 weapon or like in terms of like like being the 3145 02:48:22.680 --> 02:48:26.639 last part on the propoun weapons or gast weapons, like 3146 02:48:26.680 --> 02:48:28.719 it makes no sense for a proper ever to be taken. 3147 02:48:28.760 --> 02:48:30.239 And like I've like the reason why I'm saying is 3148 02:48:30.280 --> 02:48:32.200 because I've been in Gilts where the prop oblem is 3149 02:48:32.239 --> 02:48:35.120 taking the first drop of gas weapon of each year. 3150 02:48:36.399 --> 02:48:37.360 They always do me. 3151 02:48:37.520 --> 02:48:40.120 Like my guild in TBC, it was just like this 3152 02:48:40.159 --> 02:48:41.840 guy was like I want to do that. I'm like, bro, 3153 02:48:41.959 --> 02:48:44.200 I will carry you to a weapon, just leave it 3154 02:48:44.239 --> 02:48:46.879 for the casters. And he just wouldn't do it. Man, 3155 02:48:46.920 --> 02:48:49.600 he was adamant he was getting that weapon and left 3156 02:48:49.600 --> 02:48:54.639 the guild over it dead set, all right, will. 3157 02:48:54.280 --> 02:48:55.159 He just wants to be a shock. 3158 02:48:55.760 --> 02:48:57.879 We'll see how it plays out where we're dealing with 3159 02:48:57.920 --> 02:49:02.000 our own paladin in Yak, so we'll have that discussion 3160 02:49:02.040 --> 02:49:05.040 with him. But look, guys, that's the hard Restlings. And 3161 02:49:05.079 --> 02:49:06.719 I just want to say on that note about the 3162 02:49:06.719 --> 02:49:09.600 Classic plus thing, like we had this big back and 3163 02:49:09.639 --> 02:49:11.959 forth sort of just before I hit the record button, 3164 02:49:12.079 --> 02:49:14.959 and I'll just say it again for the podcast, Like 3165 02:49:16.120 --> 02:49:18.239 part of the reason why I'm so lais a fair 3166 02:49:18.280 --> 02:49:21.360 about TBC and you know, not particularly thrill and blah 3167 02:49:21.399 --> 02:49:23.239 blah blah blah, still happily playing it because there's fucking 3168 02:49:23.280 --> 02:49:24.479 nothing else to play and I want to play with 3169 02:49:24.559 --> 02:49:29.479 you guys. But like, you know, so it only last 3170 02:49:29.520 --> 02:49:32.520 month did someone remind me that, Hey, Josh, Bliscon is 3171 02:49:32.559 --> 02:49:36.680 not in November, it's in September this time. And I went, Fuck, 3172 02:49:36.760 --> 02:49:40.479 they're right, you know, the tenth of September or whatever 3173 02:49:40.479 --> 02:49:43.319 the fuck it is when blis Kon kicks off. I 3174 02:49:43.399 --> 02:49:46.440 hate to tell you, guys, is not that fucking far away. 3175 02:49:46.959 --> 02:49:49.520 It is eight and a half months away from the 3176 02:49:49.639 --> 02:49:53.840 date of this recording. By the time you start playing 3177 02:49:53.879 --> 02:49:57.360 TBC and you walk through the Dark Portal to go 3178 02:49:57.440 --> 02:50:02.200 to Outland, guess what, it'll be fucking seven months away 3179 02:50:02.360 --> 02:50:04.680 to blizz Con, you know what I mean? Like, that's 3180 02:50:04.920 --> 02:50:08.000 not a lot of fucking time. What is it like 3181 02:50:08.159 --> 02:50:11.000 fucking two and a half two and a half phases, 3182 02:50:11.040 --> 02:50:15.600 three phases? I don't know, but I'm fucking telling you all. 3183 02:50:15.719 --> 02:50:17.879 And I again, you know, I lose my shit when 3184 02:50:17.920 --> 02:50:21.920 people think I've got inside of information. I know, I've 3185 02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:25.440 never known less about what's going on at Blizzard than 3186 02:50:25.479 --> 02:50:28.440 I do at this point in time. But I fucking 3187 02:50:28.959 --> 02:50:33.079 like my feeling in my guts, that feeling in my 3188 02:50:33.239 --> 02:50:37.440 balls is telling me there is no fucking way in 3189 02:50:37.520 --> 02:50:40.680 my mind that they've waited a year and a half 3190 02:50:40.719 --> 02:50:44.159 to build something, because you know, that's how long it 3191 02:50:44.200 --> 02:50:47.079 will have been by then, between sod being you know, 3192 02:50:47.120 --> 02:50:52.120 put to bed and bliss Con. There's no fucking chance 3193 02:50:52.159 --> 02:50:55.920 they get on that stage for a big hype classic 3194 02:50:56.000 --> 02:50:58.840 presentation and Tim comes out and he's got that big 3195 02:50:58.879 --> 02:51:01.600 fucking smile of his and he goes, all right, fucking 3196 02:51:01.639 --> 02:51:05.280 classic gamers, here's what we've been cooking. And they do 3197 02:51:05.440 --> 02:51:08.399 the whole presentation, and then at the end it says 3198 02:51:09.000 --> 02:51:13.040 coming in fucking late twenty twenty seven or whatever. They're 3199 02:51:13.079 --> 02:51:17.840 not going to make us wait anymore. It will come out, 3200 02:51:17.959 --> 02:51:22.000 you know, pretty fucking soon after blizz Con. That would 3201 02:51:22.000 --> 02:51:27.559 be my bet. I would be beyond beyond shocked if 3202 02:51:27.600 --> 02:51:31.440 they got on that stage and said, just keep stick 3203 02:51:31.520 --> 02:51:34.479 with us, Classic fans, We just need a fucking another 3204 02:51:34.559 --> 02:51:37.719 eighteen months to cook this shit up for you. People 3205 02:51:37.760 --> 02:51:41.760 will riot, they'll lose customers, people will lose interest. They 3206 02:51:41.799 --> 02:51:45.040 can't afford the time they've already stretched the friendship with 3207 02:51:45.120 --> 02:51:47.840 the year and a half. Wait. If I just I 3208 02:51:48.120 --> 02:51:51.520 want to scream at people who seriously think it's coming, like, 3209 02:51:51.719 --> 02:51:53.799 you know, a long time after the bliz Con. 3210 02:51:54.520 --> 02:51:58.079 Anyway, I do think you you're very right, like one 3211 02:51:58.120 --> 02:52:00.159 hundred percent. But like one thing I was like, I 3212 02:52:00.159 --> 02:52:02.360 think though, if they do announce it in Blueston, I 3213 02:52:02.399 --> 02:52:04.280 want to be surprised if it's like the starting of 3214 02:52:04.280 --> 02:52:06.520 twenty twenty seven when it actually gets released, you know 3215 02:52:06.559 --> 02:52:08.200 what I mean, Just because it will be a few months, 3216 02:52:08.239 --> 02:52:09.200 I would assume. 3217 02:52:09.239 --> 02:52:12.159 Look, maybe maybe, or I would expect them to come 3218 02:52:12.200 --> 02:52:14.719 out and say, hey, guys, it's the middle of September. 3219 02:52:14.760 --> 02:52:16.639 You'll get this thing in the middle of October. But 3220 02:52:16.719 --> 02:52:19.879 I mean, fuck, if they said for whatever reason, for 3221 02:52:19.879 --> 02:52:23.399 whatever reason, if they said January thirteenth, then yeah, okay, 3222 02:52:23.520 --> 02:52:26.239 that's in three months, like or four months, like okay, whatever, 3223 02:52:26.719 --> 02:52:28.559 I still would be a little bit shocked, but like 3224 02:52:28.600 --> 02:52:32.159 it's not like crazy. But I'm much more inclined to 3225 02:52:32.159 --> 02:52:34.600 say to be around about the time of Please gon't. 3226 02:52:35.040 --> 02:52:37.719 You know, Josh, I have a question for you about 3227 02:52:37.719 --> 02:52:39.879 what you think. Do you think Classic Plus will be 3228 02:52:39.920 --> 02:52:41.840 like another season or do you think it'll be like 3229 02:52:41.879 --> 02:52:44.639 wow too? I think because if you think it's going 3230 02:52:44.719 --> 02:52:47.479 to be like another season, I totally buy what you're saying, 3231 02:52:47.559 --> 02:52:49.319 if you think it's going to be like wow too, 3232 02:52:49.479 --> 02:52:51.120 I think the more time makes sense. 3233 02:52:51.159 --> 02:52:54.079 Personally, I think it'll be something halfway between the two, 3234 02:52:54.120 --> 02:52:57.399 which is such a bitch answer, But like, like they've 3235 02:52:57.440 --> 02:52:59.879 said that, they have said, we're done with seasons. We've 3236 02:53:00.559 --> 02:53:03.559 we've dripped this seasonal thing as dry as we can. 3237 02:53:04.040 --> 02:53:04.760 They know that. 3238 02:53:05.200 --> 02:53:07.639 You're not going to call it another season. 3239 02:53:07.760 --> 02:53:11.239 Exactly exactly exactly. But then my might come back to that. 3240 02:53:11.280 --> 02:53:12.719 And I've always said this on the show, and i 3241 02:53:12.760 --> 02:53:17.079 know people fucking hate hearing this, but I'm like, i 3242 02:53:17.520 --> 02:53:19.399 know the answer to this question, but I'm still going 3243 02:53:19.479 --> 02:53:23.200 to posit it when I say, really, what's the difference 3244 02:53:23.680 --> 02:53:28.200 between a season and an expansion outside of the outside 3245 02:53:28.239 --> 02:53:29.879 of the nomenclatcher, you know what I. 3246 02:53:29.760 --> 02:53:34.399 Mean, I think it's the severity of change. So like 3247 02:53:34.600 --> 02:53:38.600 Epoch is a season, Bronze Beard is a is a 3248 02:53:38.639 --> 02:53:42.600 wow to right, Like, without having even played Bronze Spirit. 3249 02:53:42.879 --> 02:53:46.239 I disagree. I think Speared is a massively seasonal thing. 3250 02:53:47.920 --> 02:53:49.959 No, it might be a seasonal thing as far as 3251 02:53:49.959 --> 02:53:52.239 how it literally is. I'm talking about the degree of 3252 02:53:52.879 --> 02:53:54.600 variance from original. 3253 02:53:54.159 --> 02:53:58.399 Classic that that's where that's a huge rabbit hole that 3254 02:53:58.399 --> 02:54:00.000 will lead up the next two hours that I don't 3255 02:54:00.040 --> 02:54:04.799 want to go down. But no, no, it's okay. It is 3256 02:54:04.840 --> 02:54:08.159 a good argument to raise, though, and Blizzard will have 3257 02:54:08.200 --> 02:54:12.840 to tread very carefully to I think there will be 3258 02:54:12.879 --> 02:54:17.559 a temptation on Blizzard's behalf to say it's not a season, 3259 02:54:18.399 --> 02:54:21.879 but still have what's next as a season, dressed up 3260 02:54:21.879 --> 02:54:24.680 in a different outfit, and they're like, it's totally not 3261 02:54:24.760 --> 02:54:27.920 a season, and we all see straight through it and go, guys, 3262 02:54:27.920 --> 02:54:31.520 that's a fucking season. I could see them being tempted 3263 02:54:31.559 --> 02:54:34.879 to do that, but I do think that ultimately they'll 3264 02:54:34.959 --> 02:54:40.840 they'll put their their their plant, their flag halfway and go, look, guys, 3265 02:54:42.520 --> 02:54:46.159 we want that. They've really publicly said this, through Ian 3266 02:54:46.440 --> 02:54:52.000 and other big wigs, we want an ongoing, evergreen, classic 3267 02:54:52.159 --> 02:54:55.879 environment for classic players. They are not going to do 3268 02:54:56.559 --> 02:54:59.200 like just sod two point zero. I think it'll be 3269 02:54:59.520 --> 02:55:02.280 a little whole bit more meat on the bones, to 3270 02:55:02.319 --> 02:55:05.319 the point that people can basically say, Okay, I think 3271 02:55:05.360 --> 02:55:06.680 this isn't a seasonal thing. 3272 02:55:07.840 --> 02:55:09.559 I feel like it's only a season once they tell 3273 02:55:09.639 --> 02:55:10.799 us a battle pass. 3274 02:55:14.120 --> 02:55:18.319 Under that framework, I could buy your time frame. 3275 02:55:18.479 --> 02:55:20.760 Okay, all right, all right? 3276 02:55:21.040 --> 02:55:24.559 But how far would that go though with the with 3277 02:55:24.680 --> 02:55:28.120 Classic plus, like how like like how long would they 3278 02:55:28.200 --> 02:55:30.200 take it? Or like how far would they. 3279 02:55:30.200 --> 02:55:30.479 Take it. 3280 02:55:34.360 --> 02:55:34.680 Playing? 3281 02:55:35.319 --> 02:55:35.879 You know what I mean? 3282 02:55:36.559 --> 02:55:37.440 Just yeah, but like. 3283 02:55:37.360 --> 02:55:39.520 How much like content do they have the release or 3284 02:55:39.559 --> 02:55:42.319 like how engaged we have to be with it? 3285 02:55:43.360 --> 02:55:49.079 We find out this is just opinion expect like a 3286 02:55:49.120 --> 02:55:53.360 different leveling experience. It won't be like completely revolutionary, It'll 3287 02:55:53.360 --> 02:55:54.600 be just different. 3288 02:55:54.639 --> 02:55:55.520 To what we've got. 3289 02:55:56.680 --> 02:56:00.959 And then we'll just get content on a cadence to 3290 02:56:02.200 --> 02:56:05.040 what you would expect in Classic, Like they'll just be 3291 02:56:05.239 --> 02:56:09.079 like making content. They'll have the game and the first 3292 02:56:09.120 --> 02:56:12.399 raid ready to go and then just punch out content 3293 02:56:12.559 --> 02:56:14.639 forever in a day and expansions or whatever. 3294 02:56:15.799 --> 02:56:20.159 I think Tee Wow and Epoch will be the framework, 3295 02:56:20.600 --> 02:56:23.520 So think something along those lines for the bricks and 3296 02:56:23.559 --> 02:56:26.399 mortar of what they're doing. And again, guys, I cannot 3297 02:56:26.440 --> 02:56:29.040 stress enough. I do not fucking know. I am guessing 3298 02:56:29.280 --> 02:56:31.000 this is just what I would do if I were 3299 02:56:31.040 --> 02:56:33.920 running the shop. I look to Tea Wow, I looked 3300 02:56:33.920 --> 02:56:37.799 at Epoch. That's that's where I start from building from 3301 02:56:37.799 --> 02:56:40.440 the ground up. And then what you can do is 3302 02:56:40.520 --> 02:56:44.639 you can just add Ray, tier after Ratier after Ratier 3303 02:56:46.120 --> 02:56:48.600 in terms of pushing people on over time in an 3304 02:56:48.600 --> 02:56:51.520 evergreen world. Now I get that you can't just do 3305 02:56:52.159 --> 02:56:55.319 you know the same world with Hey, here's Tier nine, 3306 02:56:56.200 --> 02:56:58.879 Like I understand that. But you just bleed it, try 3307 02:56:58.920 --> 02:57:01.760 and bleed it until it's bled dry, and then you 3308 02:57:01.840 --> 02:57:05.440 decide whether or not you're doing a fucking expansion off 3309 02:57:05.440 --> 02:57:09.680 on another fucking place or whatnot. But anyway, I'm venturing 3310 02:57:09.680 --> 02:57:13.479 off track here, back to we'll talk about all this 3311 02:57:13.520 --> 02:57:18.520 when we're doing the guild meeting for Classic plus guys. 3312 02:57:18.559 --> 02:57:21.719 That's the Friday team sorted. I want to shout out 3313 02:57:21.760 --> 02:57:26.799 my Saturday fucking legends and read you out the following 3314 02:57:27.280 --> 02:57:34.200 roster of absolute chads. All right, meet your team again. 3315 02:57:34.639 --> 02:57:37.639 The time for this raid will be and we've got 3316 02:57:37.639 --> 02:57:39.920 a couple of slots open for so Pricky years up 3317 02:57:40.000 --> 02:57:42.319 in case you might be interested. The time for this 3318 02:57:42.440 --> 02:57:46.239 raid is an intriguing one in that it's on at 3319 02:57:46.959 --> 02:57:51.959 five pm Eastern Times Saturday, which for everyone else around 3320 02:57:51.959 --> 02:57:57.440 the world is four pm Central two pm West Coast. 3321 02:57:58.399 --> 02:58:03.600 It will be nine am o CE if you're in Sydney, 3322 02:58:03.719 --> 02:58:08.520 eight am for you Queenslanders, and just figure out, you know, 3323 02:58:08.639 --> 02:58:12.479 fucking six am for Perth and Japan and whatnot. So 3324 02:58:12.719 --> 02:58:15.719 keep that in mind. And this is your team. We've 3325 02:58:15.760 --> 02:58:20.479 got our two tanks, Feral Druid, Green Protection Paladin Yak. 3326 02:58:20.799 --> 02:58:24.079 We've got our five healers, two Holy Priests San Blade 3327 02:58:24.079 --> 02:58:29.239 and Mood, a restoration Druid, Hideous John A Restoration Sharman Mikeso, 3328 02:58:29.399 --> 02:58:32.879 and a Holy Paladin for now, probably changing, but we 3329 02:58:32.959 --> 02:58:37.719 shall see in mazy Okay, locked in done? I love it. 3330 02:58:37.760 --> 02:58:40.959 Which one are you earlier? Enhance, Maizie. 3331 02:58:41.319 --> 02:58:42.479 I don't know whatever y'all need. 3332 02:58:43.399 --> 02:58:46.920 I'd love either. I mean, i'd prefer and enhance as 3333 02:58:46.959 --> 02:58:51.920 a greedy warrior, but I don't cared. All right, I'm 3334 02:58:51.920 --> 02:58:54.319 gonna I'm gonna put you down early for enhance and 3335 02:58:54.360 --> 02:59:00.479 we'll go from there. Thank you for yelling out, all right, 3336 02:59:00.680 --> 02:59:05.079 So we have four healers and with a new healer spot. 3337 02:59:05.159 --> 02:59:08.079 So if you're a healer and this conversation titilates you 3338 02:59:08.120 --> 02:59:12.959 and that time works for you, yell out. The seven 3339 02:59:13.040 --> 02:59:17.239 Malay DPS. Saras follows myself as a fury warrior Orcinator 3340 02:59:17.280 --> 02:59:21.319 as an arms warrior. Two combat rogues Anti and Og Pubsniffer, 3341 02:59:21.760 --> 02:59:25.920 a feral druid in Taxi, a retribution paladin in Light Times, 3342 02:59:25.920 --> 02:59:30.000 an enhancement shaman in Maizi, and we have ten range dps, 3343 02:59:30.440 --> 02:59:34.600 two Arcane majors Axel and Grimoire, a shadow priest in Voodoo, 3344 02:59:34.840 --> 02:59:39.239 two destruction warlocks in quick Ben and a Noubshi sorry, 3345 02:59:39.280 --> 02:59:42.600 two destruction warlocks that is, an affliction warlock in five Shot, 3346 02:59:43.040 --> 02:59:49.319 and four Beastmaster hunters in Swan, sm Rengo, Cusan, and Ros. 3347 02:59:49.959 --> 02:59:53.680 So that would be a bring our grand total to 3348 02:59:53.719 --> 02:59:58.159 twenty four. So we have one slot as a healer 3349 02:59:58.719 --> 03:00:03.399 available for that raid. So if you are a healer, look, 3350 03:00:03.440 --> 03:00:05.879 as I said, I'm still waiting to hear back from 3351 03:00:05.959 --> 03:00:08.520 three or four healers. The slot may be gone by 3352 03:00:08.559 --> 03:00:11.040 the time I published this podcast, but reach out to 3353 03:00:11.079 --> 03:00:13.000 me anyway and see if it is gone. If you're 3354 03:00:13.040 --> 03:00:14.959 interested when you hear this, okay, if you want to 3355 03:00:15.000 --> 03:00:21.319 be part of that team. So those are your Saturday Legends, 3356 03:00:21.360 --> 03:00:22.959 and I'm going to throw it open to the boys 3357 03:00:23.520 --> 03:00:28.000 same questions that we ask the Friday team. Look, we'll 3358 03:00:28.040 --> 03:00:31.520 start with Yaki you there or are you busy? 3359 03:00:31.920 --> 03:00:32.239 I'm here? 3360 03:00:32.280 --> 03:00:36.639 Baby, Oh baby, Look it's funny because everyone has made 3361 03:00:36.639 --> 03:00:41.719 the same joke about you over the last few hours, 3362 03:00:42.360 --> 03:00:44.959 and they've all pointed at you. And just for a 3363 03:00:45.000 --> 03:00:48.840 bit of backstory for everyone, we were Honestly, everyone in 3364 03:00:48.920 --> 03:00:51.479 Countdown was devastated when Yak said he was going to 3365 03:00:51.520 --> 03:00:54.520 go play on a different server for TBC. Yak and 3366 03:00:54.600 --> 03:00:58.360 Mazie are amazing people. They're a wonderful combo. We love 3367 03:00:58.440 --> 03:01:01.440 playing the game with them. Both of them said, sorry, Josh, 3368 03:01:01.520 --> 03:01:05.280 We've got our guild with some friends over on nights Layer. 3369 03:01:06.440 --> 03:01:09.520 I shed some tears, Green shed some tears. Were all 3370 03:01:09.520 --> 03:01:13.159 a bit upset, But then I got the most wonderful 3371 03:01:13.559 --> 03:01:15.440 we did. I had the most one. I woke up 3372 03:01:15.440 --> 03:01:17.719 this morning at six am and the most wonderful message 3373 03:01:17.760 --> 03:01:20.559 in the world, which was just a dick pick from Yak. 3374 03:01:20.680 --> 03:01:23.440 And but then under the dick pic was some text 3375 03:01:23.559 --> 03:01:26.239 that said I'm back baby, and I couldn't have been 3376 03:01:26.280 --> 03:01:32.280 more thrilled. So I basically, you know, for whatever reason 3377 03:01:32.319 --> 03:01:36.600 or another, Yak is back with us jack Mates'. Firstly 3378 03:01:36.639 --> 03:01:38.799 and foremost, I'll just say welcome back here at your. 3379 03:01:38.639 --> 03:01:41.520 Home, second home. I'll take it. 3380 03:01:41.520 --> 03:01:44.319 Second second home. We'll fucking we'll win you over one 3381 03:01:44.319 --> 03:01:47.120 of these days. Mate, Look, same question I asked the others, 3382 03:01:47.159 --> 03:01:48.760 and I'll ask all the other boys and girls this. 3383 03:01:49.760 --> 03:01:52.040 I sprung the roster on you this morning. You had 3384 03:01:52.079 --> 03:01:55.040 no idea what you were walking into. In all honesty, 3385 03:01:55.200 --> 03:01:57.959 give me an objective assessment. What do you think of 3386 03:01:58.040 --> 03:01:59.280 our raid? Team? 3387 03:02:00.120 --> 03:02:04.719 Mean a late shaman for me, but missus going to 3388 03:02:04.719 --> 03:02:06.280 be shaman. That puts us a two or three. 3389 03:02:06.959 --> 03:02:08.799 That's that's pretty good. That's two for now. 3390 03:02:10.200 --> 03:02:13.360 Yeah, I mean if you get another rest of shaman healer, 3391 03:02:13.479 --> 03:02:14.399 that'd be perfect. 3392 03:02:14.559 --> 03:02:17.200 Yeah, then we'd be laughing. I do agree. I do 3393 03:02:17.319 --> 03:02:21.680 agree at Green our other tank who will be fearlessly 3394 03:02:21.799 --> 03:02:23.879 charging into danger for us. What do you think of 3395 03:02:23.920 --> 03:02:27.360 the makeup of the raid? Are you happy with it? 3396 03:02:27.280 --> 03:02:31.040 It seems fine, but I haven't actually rated TVCs, so 3397 03:02:31.799 --> 03:02:34.639 but I mean this this is post nerve and everything, 3398 03:02:34.680 --> 03:02:36.719 so it's quite a bit different. We should be fine, 3399 03:02:36.799 --> 03:02:37.680 doesn't really matter. 3400 03:02:38.239 --> 03:02:41.360 I'm feeling like, so there you go, Marcus. I'll throw 3401 03:02:41.399 --> 03:02:44.239 it over to you. Let's I'm hearing a Yeah, it's 3402 03:02:44.239 --> 03:02:48.719 all right, it's fine, mate. Give me some hype, Marcus, 3403 03:02:48.760 --> 03:02:49.959 how do you feel. 3404 03:02:51.479 --> 03:02:52.440 This is like? 3405 03:02:52.639 --> 03:02:55.559 This is the group of the chosen ones. Really, the 3406 03:02:56.559 --> 03:03:00.639 just the people in this group is going to make it. 3407 03:03:00.840 --> 03:03:03.280 I don't like, we might not kill any bosses, but 3408 03:03:04.000 --> 03:03:06.120 we'll have a fun time not killing any bosses. 3409 03:03:06.200 --> 03:03:08.559 We'll have a friendship that last, a friendship that last 3410 03:03:08.600 --> 03:03:10.000 that echoes through the ages. 3411 03:03:11.440 --> 03:03:13.360 Either that or all immediately terrrist apart. 3412 03:03:13.559 --> 03:03:16.120 Yeah, I can't wait for it to terrorist apart. It'll 3413 03:03:16.159 --> 03:03:20.719 be hilarious, it'll be great. Have we still got o 3414 03:03:20.840 --> 03:03:23.920 gpu of Sniffer? Are you there? Mate? 3415 03:03:24.399 --> 03:03:24.559 Oh? 3416 03:03:24.680 --> 03:03:26.799 You still up burning the midnight oil? You love to 3417 03:03:26.840 --> 03:03:29.920 see it? Mate. I've told I've told a few people 3418 03:03:29.959 --> 03:03:33.879 of their importance to this Ray team, and you were 3419 03:03:34.120 --> 03:03:38.000 a key piece of bait to put on the hook 3420 03:03:38.360 --> 03:03:41.200 to coax Marcus into rating with us in TBC. How 3421 03:03:41.200 --> 03:03:42.319 does that make you feel? 3422 03:03:43.639 --> 03:03:44.479 I'm very proud. 3423 03:03:46.840 --> 03:03:49.799 That was Like as of yesterday, I was kind of 3424 03:03:49.840 --> 03:03:51.719 still on the fence because I'm like, oh man, it's 3425 03:03:51.719 --> 03:03:53.319 a lot of effort to do all this stuff, and 3426 03:03:54.079 --> 03:03:56.639 like Classic Plus is probably not that far away. And 3427 03:03:56.680 --> 03:04:01.000 then the names got dropped and Ogpu Sniffer was the 3428 03:04:01.079 --> 03:04:05.680 proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. I'm like, yeah, mate, 3429 03:04:06.040 --> 03:04:06.760 you said of a bitch. 3430 03:04:06.760 --> 03:04:09.120 I mean, eh, no, I'm all in. 3431 03:04:09.360 --> 03:04:12.479 Yeah, there you go. Oh actually, can I can I 3432 03:04:12.639 --> 03:04:17.440 say something now about the team that hopefully will make 3433 03:04:17.520 --> 03:04:22.000 everyone's nipples a little bit harder? Yak, I've done it. 3434 03:04:22.440 --> 03:04:24.520 I've I've filled out the final slot in the team. 3435 03:04:24.520 --> 03:04:29.559 Do you want to know who it is? I forgot about? Now? Look, 3436 03:04:29.840 --> 03:04:34.040 this person has a very complicated relationship with Countdown. I 3437 03:04:34.280 --> 03:04:36.200 won't say who it is, just is just yet. We'll 3438 03:04:36.200 --> 03:04:37.600 do a little bit of it. This is your life, 3439 03:04:37.639 --> 03:04:39.440 and see if you can guess who I'm talking about. 3440 03:04:40.319 --> 03:04:44.040 This is someone who's been nearly big with us since 3441 03:04:44.079 --> 03:04:47.639 the beginning, probably came on to Countdown in U two. 3442 03:04:49.280 --> 03:04:52.799 He is a beloved figure in the community, with many 3443 03:04:52.840 --> 03:04:58.639 many podcast appearances. However, over time he started to develop 3444 03:04:58.879 --> 03:05:02.559 a odd relationtionship with the game of World of Warcraft, 3445 03:05:02.760 --> 03:05:06.479 and whilst he's still happily raid locked on some versions 3446 03:05:06.520 --> 03:05:11.440 of the game, he shunned Countdown and turned his back 3447 03:05:11.520 --> 03:05:14.879 on us as a group of friends because he refuses, 3448 03:05:15.159 --> 03:05:18.719 just flat refuses to ever level in this game. Again. 3449 03:05:18.799 --> 03:05:25.239 He's a leveling he says name, but no, no, it's 3450 03:05:25.280 --> 03:05:30.559 not it's not Balls of Steel, but no, and ends 3451 03:05:30.559 --> 03:05:39.520 with this man has just promised me in direct messages, 3452 03:05:40.319 --> 03:05:43.079 promised me and we know that promises can't be broken 3453 03:05:43.120 --> 03:05:46.440 in this guild that he will be there at seventy 3454 03:05:46.840 --> 03:05:50.520 and he is willing to play whatever the guild needs. 3455 03:05:51.239 --> 03:05:53.639 So do you think you can guess it is? 3456 03:05:53.719 --> 03:05:53.879 Yet? 3457 03:05:54.040 --> 03:05:57.719 Everybody, it's what you. 3458 03:06:00.559 --> 03:06:04.159 Exactly. So we just found our fucking resto shaman baby 3459 03:06:04.680 --> 03:06:10.079 and his name is hunk Oh fuck ha ha that's 3460 03:06:10.120 --> 03:06:15.600 one hun That is one hunky Resto Sharman Voodoo. Do 3461 03:06:15.600 --> 03:06:19.000 you reckon? He will happily take that assignment on have 3462 03:06:19.079 --> 03:06:21.520 we lost Voodu? We've probably lost Voodu? Marcus, what do 3463 03:06:21.520 --> 03:06:21.879 you think? 3464 03:06:23.959 --> 03:06:24.760 Yeah, he'll do it. 3465 03:06:25.319 --> 03:06:27.280 He'll do it at least for a time, I think 3466 03:06:28.000 --> 03:06:31.719 questions happily? Well, yeah, he'll be happy to do it 3467 03:06:31.799 --> 03:06:34.000 where we make an excellent healing team. 3468 03:06:34.559 --> 03:06:38.520 The motherfucker has been raid logging with other people who 3469 03:06:38.600 --> 03:06:41.559 are not us for the last eighteen months and I 3470 03:06:41.719 --> 03:06:43.920 keep asking him to raid with us and he won't 3471 03:06:43.920 --> 03:06:46.120 do it. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's time 3472 03:06:46.120 --> 03:06:46.879 to pay the piper. 3473 03:06:47.879 --> 03:06:51.000 I want to hear his constructive feedbacks of your raids. 3474 03:06:51.360 --> 03:06:56.680 Yes, if yeah, we'll have to do it uncensored. Hunk 3475 03:06:56.799 --> 03:06:59.479 review of that week's raid for five minutes or something. 3476 03:07:00.520 --> 03:07:03.000 Hunk breaks down Karra for forty five minutes. 3477 03:07:03.239 --> 03:07:05.600 Yeah, forget that. I'd listened to him read the phone book. 3478 03:07:05.680 --> 03:07:09.520 Yeah, hunky, Yeah, it would be. It would be Hunk 3479 03:07:09.559 --> 03:07:12.399 after Duck. It'd be a long hour and a half 3480 03:07:12.479 --> 03:07:16.479 long rant about communism in nineteen seventies Queensland politics, and 3481 03:07:16.520 --> 03:07:18.479 somehow he'd weave in Karazan. 3482 03:07:20.319 --> 03:07:20.799 Exactly. 3483 03:07:21.040 --> 03:07:22.319 This is why we need him. 3484 03:07:22.159 --> 03:07:23.360 That I'm actually Kazan. 3485 03:07:23.559 --> 03:07:25.680 It was only two hours, but his analysis is seven 3486 03:07:25.680 --> 03:07:26.760 hours and thirty minutes. 3487 03:07:26.559 --> 03:07:31.040 One hundred percent. Look, I'm I'm actually, I'm very very 3488 03:07:31.040 --> 03:07:35.760 happy with that. Seventeen twenty twenty four. Actually, wait, I lie, 3489 03:07:36.120 --> 03:07:40.280 we're still one person short. Wait we've got seventeen twenty 3490 03:07:40.280 --> 03:07:42.959 two twenty four. We are where one person short? So 3491 03:07:43.479 --> 03:07:47.440 how about this to all you lovely listeners out there 3492 03:07:47.479 --> 03:07:51.239 in the Countdown universe, if you heard it, what do 3493 03:07:51.239 --> 03:07:53.319 we we want an Elie Shaman, don't we. 3494 03:07:54.760 --> 03:07:58.479 Or a boomy or a Boomyay, I can play a 3495 03:07:58.639 --> 03:08:01.200 druid because that's kind of on a planet I'm playing, 3496 03:08:01.200 --> 03:08:03.000 And if you need a Boomy, I can play boomy 3497 03:08:03.040 --> 03:08:04.760 for you, and then if, like someday we need a 3498 03:08:04.799 --> 03:08:06.920 healer I can also heal on the druid as well. 3499 03:08:07.239 --> 03:08:09.079 Wait, who is this? I can't see who this is? 3500 03:08:10.600 --> 03:08:11.239 This is ros? 3501 03:08:12.680 --> 03:08:15.000 Well, yeah, I mean was I've got you down as 3502 03:08:15.000 --> 03:08:17.280 a Hunter, I was. I'm actually glad you spoke up 3503 03:08:17.680 --> 03:08:19.959 because I was gonna missage all of you Hunters because 3504 03:08:19.959 --> 03:08:22.159 we have four of them in the guilds in the 3505 03:08:22.239 --> 03:08:24.680 raid team. I'm more than happy. Don't get me wrong. 3506 03:08:24.680 --> 03:08:26.600 If you if you made if you love Hunter, I 3507 03:08:26.639 --> 03:08:29.120 don't care about running with four Hunters, that's fine. But 3508 03:08:29.159 --> 03:08:30.840 I was going to ask you, well, if you're fifty 3509 03:08:30.879 --> 03:08:32.879 to fifty about choosing classes, let me know. 3510 03:08:34.159 --> 03:08:36.840 I'm like the definition of phil like I have truly 3511 03:08:36.879 --> 03:08:39.280 played all the classes in this game, and like that's. 3512 03:08:39.120 --> 03:08:39.520 What I mean. 3513 03:08:39.520 --> 03:08:41.280 So if you guys need a boomy in your raid spot, 3514 03:08:41.319 --> 03:08:43.120 I'd be more than happy to be the boomy for 3515 03:08:43.159 --> 03:08:45.239 your raid spot, and then I can like alternate as 3516 03:08:45.239 --> 03:08:47.040 a healer if one of our healers are sick one day, 3517 03:08:47.040 --> 03:08:49.000 because you know, you can go rest a boomy pretty easily. 3518 03:08:49.360 --> 03:08:53.799 Yack everything you're playing Hunter at all? Everything is coming 3519 03:08:53.840 --> 03:08:54.840 up Millhouse yack. 3520 03:08:56.120 --> 03:08:58.120 I heard Bumken and I'm on board. 3521 03:08:58.680 --> 03:09:01.440 This is fucking amazing. This is it's like all my 3522 03:09:01.520 --> 03:09:05.920 Christmas has come at once. Ross, You're a fucking legend. 3523 03:09:05.959 --> 03:09:12.760 All right, get this balance Druid Ros alright, don't man, 3524 03:09:13.959 --> 03:09:15.799 that's it. Don't let me down. Rose. I want to 3525 03:09:15.840 --> 03:09:16.600 see you in there. 3526 03:09:16.639 --> 03:09:20.239 All right, I'll be there, Josh, I promise. 3527 03:09:20.000 --> 03:09:23.040 All right. Fuck that that means if we get an 3528 03:09:23.079 --> 03:09:30.520 Elie Shaman, we are fucking laughing. We are just straight up. 3529 03:09:30.559 --> 03:09:37.879 Now you're still a shadow priest. Fuck you? 3530 03:09:37.879 --> 03:09:38.559 You do this job? 3531 03:09:38.760 --> 03:09:40.200 Oh my god. 3532 03:09:41.280 --> 03:09:45.799 So, and I'll likely swap from our Canda enhance, so 3533 03:09:45.840 --> 03:09:47.159 we'll have two enhancers for. 3534 03:09:47.719 --> 03:09:50.200 Okay, how to be honest with me? Because again I 3535 03:09:50.479 --> 03:09:52.600 can't Again, I always my favorite line is I can't 3536 03:09:52.639 --> 03:09:55.840 stress this enough. I can't stress this enough. Actual, I 3537 03:09:55.879 --> 03:09:58.879 will play with whatever fucking ray team I get given. 3538 03:09:59.239 --> 03:10:01.559 But what are the odds now that you change to enhance. 3539 03:10:03.040 --> 03:10:06.639 Oh, I've said I would rather play enhance. That's always 3540 03:10:06.639 --> 03:10:09.760 been the case. But it's a question question get up 3541 03:10:09.760 --> 03:10:13.000 to sixty time, but that I think is more likely. 3542 03:10:13.079 --> 03:10:17.200 Now, Okay, all right, here's what I'll do. I will 3543 03:10:17.200 --> 03:10:20.239 confidently put you down as an enhanced shaman. How about that? 3544 03:10:21.360 --> 03:10:21.600 Yeah? 3545 03:10:21.719 --> 03:10:23.840 Okay, all right, okay, let's do that. 3546 03:10:23.840 --> 03:10:28.639 That way we we force with one of my blanking 3547 03:10:28.680 --> 03:10:29.360 on this name. 3548 03:10:30.360 --> 03:10:31.600 We forced food into shadow. 3549 03:10:33.040 --> 03:10:36.479 No the mage, the other mage you can't swift. 3550 03:10:37.719 --> 03:10:40.840 Yeah, is a urcane. 3551 03:10:40.920 --> 03:10:41.319 There you go. 3552 03:10:41.399 --> 03:10:45.040 I'll have I'll have a pale all and all do 3553 03:10:45.159 --> 03:10:45.799 dungeons and stuff. 3554 03:10:45.799 --> 03:10:46.319 That'll be fun. 3555 03:10:48.639 --> 03:10:54.959 Enhancement shaman axel very good. Okay. So that means, boys 3556 03:10:55.000 --> 03:10:59.639 and girls, that we are one person short. And this 3557 03:10:59.719 --> 03:11:02.799 is where we reach out to the Countdown community and say, 3558 03:11:03.440 --> 03:11:07.639 you know, this is fucking Countdown idol. If you want 3559 03:11:07.680 --> 03:11:12.079 to be on the Countdown Ray team, I mean, like 3560 03:11:12.120 --> 03:11:15.559 I say, I really will take anyone, So still reach out. 3561 03:11:15.639 --> 03:11:18.879 But I'm gonna say this much. I'd fucking love an 3562 03:11:18.920 --> 03:11:21.799 Ellie Sharman. I would just do. Is that? Can I 3563 03:11:21.840 --> 03:11:24.680 actually ask the whole team is that what we want 3564 03:11:24.719 --> 03:11:26.479 as our last TPS slot or do you think there's 3565 03:11:26.520 --> 03:11:31.920 a better choice? It would be fifth? 3566 03:11:33.920 --> 03:11:34.200 Yep. 3567 03:11:35.000 --> 03:11:38.879 Okay, boys and girls, everyone in Countdown, if you can 3568 03:11:38.920 --> 03:11:43.440 read on a Saturday, a late Saturday afternoon, NA time, 3569 03:11:44.319 --> 03:11:47.879 East Coast, fucking hit your boy up because we're looking 3570 03:11:47.920 --> 03:11:52.239 for elemental sharman. So I want you lightning bolt flinging 3571 03:11:52.319 --> 03:11:56.440 motherfuckers to just send me all the dms saying Josh, 3572 03:11:56.520 --> 03:11:59.479 I'm your man, and I'd love to get you in there, 3573 03:11:59.520 --> 03:12:04.639 all right, so we shall see what happens there. Fuck, 3574 03:12:04.920 --> 03:12:08.239 I'm five five? Are you happy? What do you think? 3575 03:12:09.799 --> 03:12:15.479 I'm mozerch covid clearly, No, I honestly I'm pumped to 3576 03:12:15.479 --> 03:12:18.159 get back in reading. Honestly, you guys are awesome. Man, 3577 03:12:19.000 --> 03:12:19.920 It's gonna be a fun time. 3578 03:12:20.360 --> 03:12:23.440 Oh, Wed, you're you're with the the clown crew, so 3579 03:12:23.559 --> 03:12:27.559 do do be wary of the Marcus and I are 3580 03:12:27.559 --> 03:12:31.239 going to have the comedy value set high. And look, 3581 03:12:31.280 --> 03:12:34.440 we we we aim to clear content, but we mostly 3582 03:12:34.520 --> 03:12:37.280 aim to be the greatest fucking social guild of all time. 3583 03:12:37.360 --> 03:12:37.840 Isn't that right? 3584 03:12:37.920 --> 03:12:40.799 Food, your skill set will be very low. 3585 03:12:41.840 --> 03:12:44.399 Don't say that. Don't say that. Well, actually that's another 3586 03:12:44.440 --> 03:12:48.840 benefit because Jack has said he will put us all 3587 03:12:48.920 --> 03:12:51.520 on his back and carry us to glory, isn't that right? Jack? 3588 03:12:53.159 --> 03:12:53.399 Nice? 3589 03:12:53.399 --> 03:12:54.840 So that would put you all on. 3590 03:12:56.159 --> 03:12:58.760 And she would carry us. 3591 03:12:59.399 --> 03:13:02.399 Okay, now, yeah, I'm not going to walk my own 3592 03:13:02.479 --> 03:13:03.200 self to glory. 3593 03:13:05.399 --> 03:13:08.280 Look, yack, I mentioned earlier. The one joke that everyone 3594 03:13:08.360 --> 03:13:10.520 made about you that I forgot to finish this thought 3595 03:13:11.040 --> 03:13:13.159 was everyone was surprised to see you in the Saturday 3596 03:13:13.159 --> 03:13:15.239 team and not the Friday team because they go, well, 3597 03:13:15.319 --> 03:13:17.719 the Friday team is kind of a bit more serious 3598 03:13:17.760 --> 03:13:20.040 about the game. Wouldn't that be up Jack's alley? And 3599 03:13:20.079 --> 03:13:22.200 I said, Yack will fucking go where I tell Yak 3600 03:13:22.239 --> 03:13:23.879 to go. Well, no, that's not quite the case. But 3601 03:13:24.120 --> 03:13:26.319 the rostering worked out better for you on the Saturday 3602 03:13:26.360 --> 03:13:28.360 But made is it going to be the case that 3603 03:13:28.840 --> 03:13:30.639 you know? Are you going to be rating with us 3604 03:13:30.680 --> 03:13:34.200 for thinking of the Friday team? 3605 03:13:34.360 --> 03:13:36.920 I mean, I'm always thinking about Las. 3606 03:13:38.959 --> 03:13:41.680 Do you picture Laz's face while you make love to me? 3607 03:13:41.840 --> 03:13:50.000 That's very impersonal? Okay, sometimes it's green, very good, very good. 3608 03:13:50.799 --> 03:13:53.680 All right, Look, this is going to be a fucking 3609 03:13:53.719 --> 03:13:56.200 fun group. I promise you that, guys, This Saturday right 3610 03:13:56.200 --> 03:13:57.639 team is going to be a real fun group. So 3611 03:13:57.680 --> 03:14:03.000 you've done well. All right, now to the Saturday team. 3612 03:14:03.079 --> 03:14:06.079 I also say, I really want you to shout me 3613 03:14:06.120 --> 03:14:09.719 down if you're not okay with this. Is everyone The 3614 03:14:09.799 --> 03:14:14.200 majority of people okay with tossing aside the plus one 3615 03:14:14.239 --> 03:14:19.799 system and just going fucking good old fashioned need greed 3616 03:14:20.520 --> 03:14:20.799 s R. 3617 03:14:22.120 --> 03:14:24.120 It's a bold strategy. Let's see it plays out. 3618 03:14:25.639 --> 03:14:29.520 Okay, yeah, speak now forever. 3619 03:14:30.680 --> 03:14:32.559 I'm not going to be the hand grenade guy. All right, 3620 03:14:32.639 --> 03:14:33.719 I'm not going to be that guy. 3621 03:14:34.440 --> 03:14:38.440 I I think you'll I think you'll help me shame 3622 03:14:38.600 --> 03:14:42.840 people who try to be a loot cockhead markers. 3623 03:14:45.680 --> 03:14:48.680 If I'm not leading the charge, I'll be close second, 3624 03:14:49.159 --> 03:14:49.680 very good. 3625 03:14:49.719 --> 03:14:54.319 So you'll be giving as. 3626 03:14:52.799 --> 03:14:56.879 I vow, I vow, I pledge this album, I pledge 3627 03:14:56.959 --> 03:15:00.559 this unit. As infatuated as I am with Lou, I 3628 03:15:00.719 --> 03:15:05.479 shall not vacuum at all. Up now, having said that, 3629 03:15:06.799 --> 03:15:10.879 I do notice that we only have two warriors. So 3630 03:15:11.799 --> 03:15:14.799 should certain gear fall to me by a fifty to 3631 03:15:14.840 --> 03:15:17.639 fifty roll, then that's another case. Well, actually, now we've 3632 03:15:17.680 --> 03:15:20.000 got what have we got? A red paladin and two 3633 03:15:20.040 --> 03:15:23.920 warriors with the red won't roll on a plate warrior gear, 3634 03:15:23.959 --> 03:15:27.319 I wouldn't think, so. Yeah, So there's a fury warrior 3635 03:15:27.360 --> 03:15:30.000 and an arms warrior, and that's who I'll be competing 3636 03:15:30.000 --> 03:15:32.639 with on gear. That's fine, Orcinator and I will do 3637 03:15:32.719 --> 03:15:34.680 the good old fashioned dice rolls out in the back 3638 03:15:34.719 --> 03:15:36.280 alley man. 3639 03:15:36.680 --> 03:15:37.280 He's a good point. 3640 03:15:38.479 --> 03:15:42.559 Who so who knows Orcanador? Who said that that he's 3641 03:15:42.639 --> 03:15:45.680 my friend? I see see that's right, he's one of 3642 03:15:45.680 --> 03:15:46.920 your fucking EU mates. 3643 03:15:48.079 --> 03:15:49.360 Yeah yeah, we went to school to go. 3644 03:15:49.520 --> 03:15:51.079 Yeah, this is the guy that lives down the road 3645 03:15:51.079 --> 03:15:52.719 from you in fucking Iceland. 3646 03:15:53.440 --> 03:15:55.120 Yeah all right. 3647 03:15:54.959 --> 03:15:56.920 You'll pull him in line, you'll you'll word him up. 3648 03:15:58.159 --> 03:16:00.159 Yeah, I got him in a. 3649 03:16:01.920 --> 03:16:05.479 Very good, very good it's a long leash if he 3650 03:16:05.520 --> 03:16:06.399 lives down the road. 3651 03:16:09.760 --> 03:16:13.239 So that's that's kind of the beauty. I love this. 3652 03:16:13.600 --> 03:16:18.040 The beauty of the Saturday Raid is we are truly 3653 03:16:18.159 --> 03:16:23.440 the epitome of a worldwide raid. Now, stuff like this 3654 03:16:23.479 --> 03:16:26.040 doesn't get done very often in our guys. We've got 3655 03:16:26.079 --> 03:16:28.840 a handful of people from Europe, we've got a handful 3656 03:16:28.879 --> 03:16:31.799 of people from Australia. We've got a Kiwi and we've 3657 03:16:31.799 --> 03:16:38.360 got fucking East Coast, West Coast, our good friend. Fucking 3658 03:16:38.760 --> 03:16:42.799 h is it taxi or lighttime? So I forget light 3659 03:16:42.879 --> 03:16:47.840 Time's the red Paladin, right, he's a lovely Kiwi man. 3660 03:16:48.559 --> 03:16:52.200 So we we spread our hands across the world, this 3661 03:16:52.280 --> 03:16:55.639 Saturday Ray team, and the sun never sets on this 3662 03:16:55.760 --> 03:17:00.399 countdown raid. It'll be beautiful it'll be a fucking thing 3663 03:17:00.440 --> 03:17:02.360 of beauty. 3664 03:17:02.479 --> 03:17:03.280 It's glorious. 3665 03:17:03.440 --> 03:17:08.360 Absolutely, So look, that's that's that, guys. Is there anything 3666 03:17:08.399 --> 03:17:12.840 else that we need to cover that I've forgotten about 3667 03:17:13.000 --> 03:17:15.319 in terms of setting a platform for this guild and 3668 03:17:15.360 --> 03:17:17.360 these two raid teams moving forward? 3669 03:17:18.520 --> 03:17:20.440 You want to talk about the guild bank you mentioned earlier? 3670 03:17:20.479 --> 03:17:23.680 Oh, thank god, thank you for reminding me. Please all right, 3671 03:17:24.639 --> 03:17:28.239 my my, my raiders in arms, my fellow countdown, people 3672 03:17:28.280 --> 03:17:31.280 who I love like sons and daughters. I come to 3673 03:17:31.360 --> 03:17:33.920 you as a man who has made grave mistakes in 3674 03:17:33.959 --> 03:17:36.959 the past with guild banks. I have no fucking idea 3675 03:17:37.000 --> 03:17:39.879 how these things work. I have never deposited anything in 3676 03:17:39.920 --> 03:17:42.200 a guild bank in my life. I've never withdrawn anything 3677 03:17:42.200 --> 03:17:45.120 from a guild bank in my life. If I'm going 3678 03:17:45.159 --> 03:17:48.399 to GM effectively through TBC, with assistance from you guys 3679 03:17:48.399 --> 03:17:51.079 and my delegates, how the fuck do we run a 3680 03:17:51.079 --> 03:17:51.799 good guild bank. 3681 03:17:53.079 --> 03:17:56.479 And to the one of the several being counters we've 3682 03:17:56.479 --> 03:17:58.479 got in the guild count. 3683 03:17:59.639 --> 03:18:03.120 I want a man, want a man delegate. 3684 03:18:03.680 --> 03:18:07.879 That's it's not going to be. 3685 03:18:09.840 --> 03:18:12.879 Like egalitarian If Vood is in charge of it, it'll 3686 03:18:12.879 --> 03:18:14.079 be very self serving. 3687 03:18:16.600 --> 03:18:18.559 Who run a tight ship on that guild bank? 3688 03:18:19.079 --> 03:18:21.360 So is he is? He? Is he the gate keeper? 3689 03:18:21.959 --> 03:18:27.159 Your bank is gonna be split between the two reads 3690 03:18:27.239 --> 03:18:27.600 to right. 3691 03:18:29.239 --> 03:18:33.639 Yes, maybe the bank, but a page for like a tab. 3692 03:18:34.239 --> 03:18:35.440 Yeah, that's the best way. 3693 03:18:37.360 --> 03:18:40.360 And it's not because voods at all selfish. It'd be 3694 03:18:40.440 --> 03:18:42.239 purely for the main value. 3695 03:18:44.399 --> 03:18:48.079 This will be hilarious. Steal all the goal, This. 3696 03:18:48.040 --> 03:18:48.639 Would be funny. 3697 03:18:48.639 --> 03:18:49.600 I'll move all this gold. 3698 03:18:49.840 --> 03:18:51.120 Yeah, I'll take the job. 3699 03:18:51.360 --> 03:18:54.600 Oh my god, I mean, voter, if you want it, 3700 03:18:54.639 --> 03:18:56.719 you can have it. Does anyone object to Voodoo being 3701 03:18:56.760 --> 03:18:58.079 the gatekeeper of the guild bank? 3702 03:18:59.760 --> 03:19:01.479 This get down the path. No one's going to object? 3703 03:19:01.879 --> 03:19:05.440 Oh my god, Yeah, I know. 3704 03:19:07.040 --> 03:19:08.760 I would nominate Axl personally. 3705 03:19:08.959 --> 03:19:09.280 Axel. 3706 03:19:09.319 --> 03:19:10.639 Do you want to do it? 3707 03:19:11.559 --> 03:19:12.079 Who wants to? 3708 03:19:12.079 --> 03:19:12.239 Who? 3709 03:19:12.280 --> 03:19:14.559 Act? No, I'm not going to put this on anybody. 3710 03:19:14.760 --> 03:19:16.479 If Voodoo wants to do it, he can do it. 3711 03:19:16.520 --> 03:19:22.360 But does anyone actually want to do it? Yeah, voodo, Voodoo, Congratulations, 3712 03:19:22.360 --> 03:19:25.840 the job is yours. I trust you. Look, we joke 3713 03:19:25.920 --> 03:19:27.920 and we funk around, but he'll be a good boy. 3714 03:19:29.079 --> 03:19:30.799 So do you now, Voodoo? Do you know how much 3715 03:19:30.959 --> 03:19:34.799 do you know how to run a guild bank? No? 3716 03:19:34.799 --> 03:19:37.200 Not the not the foggiest. 3717 03:19:38.200 --> 03:19:40.360 I think we deserve to hear the resume qualification. 3718 03:19:40.639 --> 03:19:42.079 Yeah, convince us to hire you. 3719 03:19:44.280 --> 03:19:45.559 Yeah, can you bounce the check's book. 3720 03:19:45.639 --> 03:19:49.760 I'll tell you what. I'll run it. If there's any 3721 03:19:49.760 --> 03:19:51.920 objections while I'm running it, we'll talk about it. 3722 03:19:51.959 --> 03:19:52.120 Then. 3723 03:19:53.959 --> 03:19:56.520 What do you think? What do you think? What do 3724 03:19:56.559 --> 03:19:59.280 you think? Right now? Running a guild bank involves. 3725 03:20:00.360 --> 03:20:02.479 Lots of our lots of hard work. 3726 03:20:02.639 --> 03:20:08.520 Oh, here we go, mouth so we can hear you. 3727 03:20:10.399 --> 03:20:15.399 All right now look in all seriousness, guys, whilst I 3728 03:20:15.440 --> 03:20:17.719 have a vague idea of how most guilds do it. 3729 03:20:17.799 --> 03:20:23.239 You know, unwanted, unwanted items get d shards get thrown 3730 03:20:23.239 --> 03:20:27.920 in banks. You know, certain trade goods get put aside 3731 03:20:27.959 --> 03:20:29.920 for the guilt to withdraw when they need them for 3732 03:20:30.079 --> 03:20:33.040 enchance or crafting or what have you. Maybe you know, 3733 03:20:33.239 --> 03:20:36.600 high priced boes get sold off, the gold deposited into 3734 03:20:36.639 --> 03:20:38.840 the build bank. Guild bank blah blah blah blah blah. 3735 03:20:39.079 --> 03:20:41.280 Use that money to then reinvest in mats for the 3736 03:20:41.280 --> 03:20:43.719 guild bank so that everyone gets free in chants. I 3737 03:20:43.799 --> 03:20:48.120 get the general gist of the guild bank. But for 3738 03:20:48.200 --> 03:20:50.520 all you guys who have been in hardcore guilts over 3739 03:20:50.559 --> 03:20:52.959 the years. What more is there to it that I'm missing? 3740 03:20:53.000 --> 03:20:56.719 How do you? How do you deal with people, you know, 3741 03:20:57.360 --> 03:20:59.760 needing stuff from the guild bank and also making sure 3742 03:20:59.760 --> 03:21:02.799 that there is enough they supply there to make the demand. 3743 03:21:04.079 --> 03:21:07.200 I can tell you just for if we have a 3744 03:21:07.239 --> 03:21:11.719 tab for each raid, which I'd like for my for 3745 03:21:12.639 --> 03:21:15.760 my raid team, unless someone else wants to raid lead. 3746 03:21:15.799 --> 03:21:17.079 I think we decided I was going to do it. 3747 03:21:17.719 --> 03:21:22.920 I would like to stockpile primals to get for example, 3748 03:21:22.920 --> 03:21:27.040 and for tier five, I would like to help or 3749 03:21:27.440 --> 03:21:31.159 or Druid or prop Pallu or excuse me or prop 3750 03:21:31.159 --> 03:21:32.879 warrior tanks whoever they're going to be other than me. 3751 03:21:34.200 --> 03:21:37.680 They're gonna need nature and frost resist gear, so I'd 3752 03:21:37.760 --> 03:21:41.239 like to like stockpile mats, you know, to help them out, 3753 03:21:41.639 --> 03:21:44.479 enchanting you know, materials, so we can try to help 3754 03:21:44.520 --> 03:21:47.319 out people within chance. And then for later tiers, we're 3755 03:21:47.319 --> 03:21:50.920 gonna need shadows of gear for black temples, so I'd 3756 03:21:50.959 --> 03:21:53.680 like to start farming that stuff and putting it in there. 3757 03:21:54.399 --> 03:21:57.120 That's just those tend to be bottled next. You know, 3758 03:21:57.200 --> 03:22:00.799 no one, no one really wants to, you know, spend 3759 03:22:00.799 --> 03:22:04.200 gold on you know, resist gear. It's not fun, but 3760 03:22:04.719 --> 03:22:06.520 that's one thing the guild bank can do to help people, 3761 03:22:06.520 --> 03:22:08.280 to help the raid teams out. 3762 03:22:09.120 --> 03:22:13.319 No, I agree, especially especially in Chance. I've always been 3763 03:22:13.319 --> 03:22:16.799 in a guild where the guild bank always provided with raiders, 3764 03:22:16.920 --> 03:22:19.239 especially they get their biss or close abyss or the 3765 03:22:19.280 --> 03:22:22.719 phase biss. They always provide it in Chance. So I 3766 03:22:22.719 --> 03:22:26.479 think that's a very good thing to do for guild banks. 3767 03:22:27.239 --> 03:22:28.840 And I'm going to beat the enchanter so I can. 3768 03:22:29.760 --> 03:22:31.559 It'll be easy for me to enchant people's stuff. 3769 03:22:32.120 --> 03:22:34.600 Yeah, especially we're ding stuff and where you know what 3770 03:22:34.760 --> 03:22:36.760 it needs in the bank or you know our slaughter 3771 03:22:36.840 --> 03:22:40.639 or whatever people are contributing and whatnot. So it's a 3772 03:22:40.680 --> 03:22:41.200 give and take. 3773 03:22:42.959 --> 03:22:46.000 I personally would put somebody who is an auction house 3774 03:22:46.000 --> 03:22:48.000 Scotlin in charge of the guild Bank, because they had 3775 03:22:48.000 --> 03:22:50.079 have a beat on what prices are. 3776 03:22:50.959 --> 03:22:52.680 That's why I want That's why I want a to 3777 03:22:52.680 --> 03:22:53.000 do it. 3778 03:22:53.479 --> 03:22:55.680 Absolutely, That's that's why. 3779 03:22:55.520 --> 03:22:56.440 I want Green to do it. 3780 03:22:58.639 --> 03:23:00.440 Can wait? Is there a will to way we can? 3781 03:23:00.440 --> 03:23:01.959 You can have multiple people. 3782 03:23:02.159 --> 03:23:04.440 Can we bully you into do any sexual or not? 3783 03:23:05.239 --> 03:23:05.799 I would I. 3784 03:23:05.799 --> 03:23:09.479 Would co manage it with Green. How about that? Green, 3785 03:23:09.600 --> 03:23:11.000 what's you. 3786 03:23:13.079 --> 03:23:17.479 I'm not usually that good with gold, just to be 3787 03:23:17.520 --> 03:23:20.000 perfectly honest, And I've never played TVC. 3788 03:23:19.680 --> 03:23:21.000 Before, so I don't know. 3789 03:23:22.319 --> 03:23:25.040 But you check the auction house regularly enough to have 3790 03:23:25.079 --> 03:23:26.879 an idea if something is up or down, and I 3791 03:23:26.879 --> 03:23:28.879 think that's ultimately kind of what matters. More. 3792 03:23:29.600 --> 03:23:31.319 Just I'm not gonna lie. 3793 03:23:31.719 --> 03:23:33.600 To tell us why ship will go up and down. 3794 03:23:33.719 --> 03:23:36.799 We just need to know, like in that particular moment, 3795 03:23:36.959 --> 03:23:38.040 is it up or down. 3796 03:23:38.200 --> 03:23:40.399 I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. Can I 3797 03:23:40.440 --> 03:23:42.760 just have everyone just everyone take five for a second, 3798 03:23:42.840 --> 03:23:44.360 voodoo make Can I just talk to you over here 3799 03:23:44.360 --> 03:23:44.760 for a second? 3800 03:23:45.760 --> 03:23:46.159 That's good? 3801 03:23:46.280 --> 03:23:48.799 Yeah, man, just just just just sip outside and just 3802 03:23:48.799 --> 03:23:53.600 stand a quick word. Mate. Look, you know the team 3803 03:23:53.639 --> 03:23:58.159 loves you, and we really appreciate you, know, your positivity, 3804 03:23:58.479 --> 03:24:00.600 and and you just you're so. 3805 03:24:00.639 --> 03:24:02.479 You want me to do the Guild bank still. 3806 03:24:02.360 --> 03:24:04.879 So well about that? About that, mate, You see, I 3807 03:24:05.040 --> 03:24:07.799 really appreciate how keen you are, and you've. 3808 03:24:07.600 --> 03:24:09.239 Already I've got your backing as a friend. 3809 03:24:09.559 --> 03:24:10.879 Well, just we'll get to that. We'll get to that. 3810 03:24:10.959 --> 03:24:13.440 So it's just that you've already done so much for 3811 03:24:13.479 --> 03:24:16.799 the guild you know, playing a class you didn't really 3812 03:24:16.840 --> 03:24:19.479 want to play. You're playing a shadow priest for us, mate. 3813 03:24:19.639 --> 03:24:21.600 I just I don't want to put it on you 3814 03:24:21.639 --> 03:24:25.719 to have to do a second huge role in managing 3815 03:24:25.760 --> 03:24:28.040 the guild bank, like you know you don't have to 3816 03:24:28.079 --> 03:24:29.319 do it. Mate, It's okay. 3817 03:24:29.799 --> 03:24:30.559 Oh no, it's okay. 3818 03:24:30.719 --> 03:24:40.799 No, no, no, I'm telling you it's okay. Voodoo you're out, 3819 03:24:41.159 --> 03:24:45.000 Axel Green you're in. I feel much more comfortable with 3820 03:24:45.079 --> 03:24:48.520 those two than fucking Voter managing the guild bank. 3821 03:24:50.520 --> 03:24:51.360 Terror is over. 3822 03:24:53.360 --> 03:24:55.959 Your last once once, Garamouchie. 3823 03:24:56.239 --> 03:24:59.040 But it don't feel bad, Josh. The same conversation with 3824 03:24:59.040 --> 03:25:01.280 me yestually when I asked for on Saturday read tim. 3825 03:25:03.360 --> 03:25:06.120 Yeah, Ladzi's gutted. I keep telling lads that we've got 3826 03:25:06.120 --> 03:25:09.120 the No Lads Club on Saturday, and he's gutted because 3827 03:25:09.120 --> 03:25:12.040 he keeps trying to weasel into the Saturday team, and 3828 03:25:12.600 --> 03:25:14.520 I keep telling him no because I don't want him 3829 03:25:14.520 --> 03:25:16.639 to rate on two teams and burn out before Classic 3830 03:25:16.680 --> 03:25:19.239 Plus because I want all these fucking fricks playing Classic 3831 03:25:19.239 --> 03:25:22.440 Plus with us. But also my favorite part that I 3832 03:25:22.760 --> 03:25:25.239 didn't mention on the recording that I'll say again is 3833 03:25:26.239 --> 03:25:29.680 as soon as I announced half the rosters with like 3834 03:25:29.799 --> 03:25:33.159 shitloads of TB at slots everywhere. Lads looked at it 3835 03:25:33.200 --> 03:25:36.440 and d nds me straight away and goes, oh, mate, look, 3836 03:25:37.280 --> 03:25:39.840 I can see you've got Green on his feral druid 3837 03:25:39.879 --> 03:25:42.680 tanking for you guys. No, no, no, no, nah, you 3838 03:25:42.760 --> 03:25:45.440 want to give Green to me like he's you know, 3839 03:25:45.840 --> 03:25:49.760 he's new to TBC. You know, I don't know if 3840 03:25:49.760 --> 03:25:52.760 you want him maintanking for you, like, come on, baby, 3841 03:25:52.879 --> 03:25:55.879 just give him to me. Will will all ease him 3842 03:25:55.920 --> 03:25:58.559 into it. It's okay, I said, fuck off, I know 3843 03:25:58.600 --> 03:26:01.600 what you're doing. I've played knife he spooning before he's 3844 03:26:01.639 --> 03:26:05.360 fucking out tank. Do you confirm or deny this? Yeah? 3845 03:26:05.559 --> 03:26:10.600 That you fucking piece of Yeah, that's the first hour. 3846 03:26:10.920 --> 03:26:13.680 Thank you for mentioning kangaroo court, I will say. 3847 03:26:14.799 --> 03:26:19.079 Guys, which Axel is also terrible at dhancement. Gentlemen, he's 3848 03:26:19.120 --> 03:26:20.799 gonna drag your team down. 3849 03:26:20.959 --> 03:26:25.399 No, yeah, I'll give him a chance. I'll give him 3850 03:26:25.440 --> 03:26:29.639 a chance. I've got some Sharman news for you, breaking 3851 03:26:29.680 --> 03:26:32.360 Sharman news for the Countdown Raiders coming right up. I 3852 03:26:32.399 --> 03:26:35.680 just want to say, while I remember, guys, all all 3853 03:26:35.719 --> 03:26:38.760 of you here. Kangaroo Court will be a feature of 3854 03:26:38.799 --> 03:26:44.319 the podcast throughout TBC Classic Anniversary. I really really encourage 3855 03:26:44.319 --> 03:26:47.520 you guys to please do me a favor and just 3856 03:26:47.799 --> 03:26:50.760 right down ship when it happens. I will create a 3857 03:26:50.920 --> 03:26:55.520 Kangaroo Court channel in the discord when something when someone 3858 03:26:55.600 --> 03:26:58.559 does something funny and dumb and you want to have 3859 03:26:58.559 --> 03:27:00.479 a laugh about it on the podcast and bring it 3860 03:27:00.559 --> 03:27:03.360 up to the world, write it down in the Kangaroo 3861 03:27:03.399 --> 03:27:06.120 Court channel so that we don't fucking forget, because I 3862 03:27:06.159 --> 03:27:10.879 know I'm the biggest victim of thinking something was hilarious 3863 03:27:10.920 --> 03:27:12.719 and then I don't write it down. A week later 3864 03:27:12.799 --> 03:27:14.440 we record the podcast and I go, oh, what was 3865 03:27:14.479 --> 03:27:17.840 that fucking thing that happened? Oh, I can't remember. Just 3866 03:27:18.399 --> 03:27:21.280 I want us to roast each other on a fucking 3867 03:27:21.319 --> 03:27:25.440 regular basis in good fun, not being nasty. But you know, 3868 03:27:25.719 --> 03:27:29.239 when the fun wipe or the silly argument comes up, 3869 03:27:29.520 --> 03:27:32.959 then fucking roast away amongst your fellow Countdown people. So 3870 03:27:33.559 --> 03:27:35.719 just be aware the Kangaroo Cord is coming back in 3871 03:27:35.719 --> 03:27:40.879 twenty twenty six. Now listen, what's the fucking sound effect 3872 03:27:40.879 --> 03:27:47.319 I can do here of the news wire breaking news 3873 03:27:47.959 --> 03:27:54.239 Countdown fans. I just recently put out a worldwide search 3874 03:27:54.840 --> 03:28:00.399 for an elemental shaman to join the Saturday Raid team. 3875 03:28:00.760 --> 03:28:03.520 I knew that sport would be swooped up quickly, but 3876 03:28:03.600 --> 03:28:07.200 I did not anticipate it being swooped up this quickly. 3877 03:28:08.479 --> 03:28:13.120 Now we have an elemental shaman. So the Saturday Raid 3878 03:28:13.200 --> 03:28:17.040 is now full, So rejoice all you Saturday Raiders. The 3879 03:28:17.319 --> 03:28:23.639 interesting part is who is playing that elemental shaman? Now, 3880 03:28:24.040 --> 03:28:26.239 not Hunk. We've got Hunk on the rest o Shaman. 3881 03:28:26.360 --> 03:28:30.639 He's locked in. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. It's 3882 03:28:30.680 --> 03:28:37.520 not TC Green. You all know him, you all love him. 3883 03:28:37.559 --> 03:28:42.600 He hails from the Great White North. He is he 3884 03:28:42.760 --> 03:28:45.920 is a count, and it is Ale. 3885 03:28:47.280 --> 03:28:48.319 We have a benefit. 3886 03:28:51.920 --> 03:28:56.719 Can you hear us? He is not step Ah there 3887 03:28:56.760 --> 03:29:00.639 he is yet my man? 3888 03:29:01.479 --> 03:29:01.760 Ale? 3889 03:29:02.360 --> 03:29:08.840 Hello, hey, hey, what what is doing? My friend? What 3890 03:29:08.920 --> 03:29:12.440 is what is this? What is this gigantic move for 3891 03:29:12.520 --> 03:29:14.479 you to come raid with the Countdown crew? 3892 03:29:15.280 --> 03:29:19.479 Well, I'm playing TBC, but only PDP on another server, 3893 03:29:19.559 --> 03:29:21.200 and so I kind of wanted to start reading a 3894 03:29:21.200 --> 03:29:24.600 bit too, So I've had my ear to the ground 3895 03:29:24.680 --> 03:29:26.799 and an opportunity presented itself. 3896 03:29:27.159 --> 03:29:30.079 So you saw the bat signal come up and it 3897 03:29:30.159 --> 03:29:33.040 was just a hockey stick in the air, and you've 3898 03:29:33.079 --> 03:29:36.479 put on your cape and flown in and said I'll 3899 03:29:36.479 --> 03:29:39.959 play whatever you need is Ellie Shaman up your alley? 3900 03:29:40.000 --> 03:29:40.879 Are you okay with that? 3901 03:29:41.799 --> 03:29:41.920 Oh? 3902 03:29:42.000 --> 03:29:42.639 Yeah, big time? 3903 03:29:43.680 --> 03:29:48.840 Oh baby, hey, I mean fuck, this has gone even 3904 03:29:48.840 --> 03:29:53.000 better than I could have ever imagined. Mate, I'm excited 3905 03:29:53.040 --> 03:29:56.159 if you now, Ale, you got to stick this one out, baby. 3906 03:29:56.920 --> 03:30:00.639 Yeah, listen to a classic until we're all we're. 3907 03:30:00.360 --> 03:30:02.840 All here until classic plus until the next big thing 3908 03:30:02.879 --> 03:30:07.360 sweeps this out of fl feet. Absolutely there you go, 3909 03:30:07.600 --> 03:30:11.280 fucking Marcus. Let me we're throwing it to the to 3910 03:30:11.280 --> 03:30:15.159 the ground for in the moment reactions. Marcus, you've just 3911 03:30:15.200 --> 03:30:17.360 heard you'll be rating with the one and only Ale 3912 03:30:17.360 --> 03:30:20.920 as your elemental Sharman for five Shamans in the raid, 3913 03:30:21.000 --> 03:30:23.079 dropping totems left, right and center. How do you feel 3914 03:30:23.079 --> 03:30:23.680 about That's A? 3915 03:30:24.879 --> 03:30:25.760 I feel pretty good. 3916 03:30:26.680 --> 03:30:29.200 It's a. I think it's a pretty tall order to 3917 03:30:29.200 --> 03:30:31.319 ask him to carry twenty four other people though as 3918 03:30:31.360 --> 03:30:34.399 elemental as well. Yeah, it's pretty big, but if anyone 3919 03:30:34.399 --> 03:30:35.520 can do it, it's Ale. 3920 03:30:36.520 --> 03:30:40.239 There you go, crossing over to our tank, Jack, Jack, 3921 03:30:40.280 --> 03:30:43.760 what do you think of this development? Yak is He's 3922 03:30:43.799 --> 03:30:46.840 passed out. He's so happy he's unconscious. We'll throw it 3923 03:30:46.879 --> 03:30:50.760 over to someone else. Let's hear from who we got here? 3924 03:30:51.079 --> 03:30:53.159 Five shot, you'll be rating with the one and only 3925 03:30:53.239 --> 03:30:57.479 Ale of the the Canadian region of the world. What 3926 03:30:57.520 --> 03:30:59.079 do you think about that? 3927 03:30:59.079 --> 03:31:01.879 That's pretty sweet about five miles from the border. 3928 03:31:02.040 --> 03:31:08.399 Oh biz, all right, fuck, it's all happening. It is 3929 03:31:08.479 --> 03:31:09.000 all happening. 3930 03:31:10.760 --> 03:31:12.479 What area Canada? 3931 03:31:12.799 --> 03:31:13.079 Only? 3932 03:31:13.239 --> 03:31:13.479 Only? 3933 03:31:13.479 --> 03:31:16.120 If no, Dale, only if he's okay? Well, hang on, Ale, 3934 03:31:16.280 --> 03:31:18.399 if you're okay? Saying have you said before? We're part 3935 03:31:18.399 --> 03:31:20.120 of Canada? You're from on the show. 3936 03:31:21.559 --> 03:31:22.159 West Coast? 3937 03:31:22.360 --> 03:31:25.879 Were West Coast? So then five the East Coast and 3938 03:31:25.959 --> 03:31:26.520 West Coast. 3939 03:31:27.360 --> 03:31:30.520 I'm like Midwest they call it. It's I'm in Detroit. 3940 03:31:30.799 --> 03:31:33.280 There you go, There you go. So you're right near 3941 03:31:33.319 --> 03:31:34.040 Toronto there. 3942 03:31:34.959 --> 03:31:37.760 Oh yeah, Canada's Wonderland is my favorite place to go. 3943 03:31:39.200 --> 03:31:41.159 There you go. Someone is screaming to the heavens but 3944 03:31:41.239 --> 03:31:47.600 going robot. Well, Ale, look, I'm very, very excited. Quite frankly, 3945 03:31:47.760 --> 03:31:52.120 this Friday, this Saturday, Ray team could not have gone better. 3946 03:31:52.239 --> 03:31:56.920 I'm stoked. We've got a lot of very So the 3947 03:31:57.000 --> 03:32:01.200 aim was also to put similar personalities together, and I 3948 03:32:01.239 --> 03:32:05.799 think that the Saturday Rad crew has, you know, minds 3949 03:32:05.799 --> 03:32:07.920 to think alike on it, and I think the Friday 3950 03:32:07.959 --> 03:32:10.239 Ray crew has minds to think alike on it. So 3951 03:32:10.360 --> 03:32:11.639 I think that we're going to get a lot of 3952 03:32:11.680 --> 03:32:15.360 really good cohesion. And I also look forward to the 3953 03:32:15.399 --> 03:32:18.600 first person dming me, you know, once all the raids 3954 03:32:18.600 --> 03:32:20.879 come out and saying fuck you and your guild for losers, 3955 03:32:20.920 --> 03:32:25.319 I'm fucking out of here. It'll be great. So that'll 3956 03:32:25.360 --> 03:32:29.559 be you. Yeah, boys, we've done it. Look I mean, 3957 03:32:30.360 --> 03:32:32.719 like I said, is there anything else you guys know 3958 03:32:32.760 --> 03:32:34.879 more than me? I'm a first time GM. I'm begging 3959 03:32:34.879 --> 03:32:37.760 you for you to go easy on me. What have 3960 03:32:37.879 --> 03:32:40.239 we missed that you feel needs to be discussed as 3961 03:32:40.280 --> 03:32:43.799 setting the groundwork for this guild moving forward in raid? 3962 03:32:44.840 --> 03:32:48.360 What are we doing guys that might just about do it? 3963 03:32:48.799 --> 03:32:52.319 What are we where? Two hours and fifteen minutes into 3964 03:32:52.360 --> 03:32:55.399 this guild meeting, So we can sort of stop the 3965 03:32:55.479 --> 03:32:57.719 quote unquote guild meeting. But I'll just end with this 3966 03:32:57.799 --> 03:33:01.479 one final point. Guys heard me flirt the concept of 3967 03:33:01.559 --> 03:33:04.799 a third raid team at the beginning of this conversation. 3968 03:33:05.920 --> 03:33:09.559 Do not feel left out, guys. Countdown will be a 3969 03:33:09.680 --> 03:33:14.319 large guild, and I already have five or six people 3970 03:33:14.399 --> 03:33:18.239 that you couldn't raid or Friday or Saturday. But I'll 3971 03:33:18.239 --> 03:33:20.719 tell you the two other slots that I'm looking at 3972 03:33:20.760 --> 03:33:23.399 that were really really popular in the surveys I did. 3973 03:33:24.280 --> 03:33:28.000 They are Sunday at eight pm Eastern and Tuesday at 3974 03:33:28.040 --> 03:33:31.479 ten pm Eastern. I am more than happy to assist 3975 03:33:31.600 --> 03:33:35.280 a group of enthusiasts to set up a raid on 3976 03:33:35.280 --> 03:33:38.760 one of those two slots, fuck if not both, if 3977 03:33:38.799 --> 03:33:41.239 for some strange reason, we get enough, which we probably won't, 3978 03:33:41.280 --> 03:33:42.879 but I think it's going to be a stretch to 3979 03:33:42.920 --> 03:33:45.040 set up a third team. But look, once I send 3980 03:33:45.040 --> 03:33:48.959 this podcast out, anything could fucking happen. If you want 3981 03:33:49.000 --> 03:33:52.520 to get a regular I'm not talking about parks, guys. 3982 03:33:52.559 --> 03:33:54.600 These aren't the guys that yeah, Josh, I'll do a 3983 03:33:54.639 --> 03:33:57.639 Carazan once a month. Don't worry. There will be lots 3984 03:33:57.680 --> 03:34:00.600 of casual Karrazans running for you, guys. But if you 3985 03:34:00.639 --> 03:34:05.360 want to set semi serious Raytime raid group that turns 3986 03:34:05.440 --> 03:34:09.399 up weekly, reach out to me and I'll help you 3987 03:34:10.079 --> 03:34:13.479 build your own Ray team for a third Countdown team 3988 03:34:13.520 --> 03:34:17.159 to run on a Sunday or a Tuesday. So please, guys, 3989 03:34:17.319 --> 03:34:20.799 keep reaching out to me, keep signing up and letting 3990 03:34:20.799 --> 03:34:23.159 me know what you want to do. We didn't really 3991 03:34:23.239 --> 03:34:26.079 discuss the Carazan guys. I'll just say this much what 3992 03:34:26.120 --> 03:34:28.719 the plan is. Tell me if you think this all 3993 03:34:28.799 --> 03:34:32.719 this will work. Every week we will split into two 3994 03:34:32.799 --> 03:34:36.319 groups of ten and five people will be a rotating 3995 03:34:36.479 --> 03:34:39.680 roster of five will be left out obviously, and the 3996 03:34:39.719 --> 03:34:43.479 two tens go into Karrazan, so we've got two five 3997 03:34:43.559 --> 03:34:48.799 team cutoffs. Those two teams of five can opt will 3998 03:34:48.799 --> 03:34:51.079 basically open the floor up for them to do one 3999 03:34:51.120 --> 03:34:55.799 of a few things. They can get together on either 4000 03:34:56.200 --> 03:34:59.680 the Friday Ray time or the Saturday Rai time or 4001 03:34:59.719 --> 03:35:02.319 another a Ray time of their own choosing, and knock 4002 03:35:02.360 --> 03:35:06.079 out their own fucking Karrazan for the leftovers, right, that 4003 03:35:06.120 --> 03:35:10.239 would be great, Or the five people on Friday can 4004 03:35:10.280 --> 03:35:12.479 go no, fuck it, We'll just do it now. We'll 4005 03:35:12.479 --> 03:35:15.639 get five Countdown pugs because there will be people in 4006 03:35:15.760 --> 03:35:19.559 Countdown in what will be a large guild saying fuck yeah, 4007 03:35:19.680 --> 03:35:23.000 I'll fill in for your Carazan. Obviously, that comes with, 4008 03:35:23.120 --> 03:35:25.079 you know, loot issues you might need to work out, 4009 03:35:25.120 --> 03:35:28.040 but that's a possibility. And then the other possibilities of 4010 03:35:28.040 --> 03:35:30.680 course you could just find randoms and pug it. I 4011 03:35:30.719 --> 03:35:33.239 would prefer for the two five teams to come together, 4012 03:35:33.319 --> 03:35:36.000 but it's not always going to marry up perfectly. That 4013 03:35:36.079 --> 03:35:39.159 will be for you guys to sort out amongst yourselves 4014 03:35:39.559 --> 03:35:43.639 as the leftovers that week. Does that work for everyone? 4015 03:35:43.920 --> 03:35:44.159 Yeah? 4016 03:35:45.040 --> 03:35:45.360 Clearly? 4017 03:35:46.200 --> 03:35:46.600 What time? 4018 03:35:48.399 --> 03:35:52.239 So that's what? So the Cara the plan is, tell 4019 03:35:52.280 --> 03:35:54.920 me if I'm doing this right, start with the twenty 4020 03:35:54.920 --> 03:35:57.280 five man's and then we break up into our Carazan 4021 03:35:57.360 --> 03:36:02.520 teams and the going into the raid nine. The five 4022 03:36:02.600 --> 03:36:06.799 people will know they've been left off, so they in discord. 4023 03:36:07.159 --> 03:36:11.319 They can tag the other five and say, hey, Voodoo mate, 4024 03:36:11.440 --> 03:36:13.399 see you've been left off and the other guys have 4025 03:36:13.399 --> 03:36:15.239 been left off this week. Do you want to get 4026 03:36:15.239 --> 03:36:16.840 together on Friday night? Do you want to get to 4027 03:36:16.840 --> 03:36:18.399 it on Saturday night? Do you want to get together 4028 03:36:18.440 --> 03:36:22.280 on another night? You know they can just coordinate amongst themselves. 4029 03:36:22.319 --> 03:36:24.399 Does that make sense perfect? 4030 03:36:24.520 --> 03:36:25.239 Yeah? 4031 03:36:25.280 --> 03:36:28.840 So yeah, they will know in advance that they're being 4032 03:36:28.879 --> 03:36:34.719 left out, and then that team will will rotate. Now 4033 03:36:34.879 --> 03:36:39.319 you'll also notice another key thing. I've named a strict 4034 03:36:39.399 --> 03:36:41.879 twenty five man team and we don't have a bench. 4035 03:36:42.600 --> 03:36:45.719 I've you tell me if I'm doing this wrong. Guys, 4036 03:36:46.319 --> 03:36:49.959 I've done that for a reason because again, I think 4037 03:36:50.000 --> 03:36:52.959 the Countdown Guild will be large enough that we can 4038 03:36:53.040 --> 03:36:56.799 pick up good people from the Countdown Guild that don't 4039 03:36:56.840 --> 03:36:59.920 raid regularly to fill in if needed, who won't be cockeeds, 4040 03:37:00.280 --> 03:37:02.120 you know, in regards to how we're doing the gear. 4041 03:37:02.319 --> 03:37:04.879 But also we'll you know, give them gear too. We're 4042 03:37:04.879 --> 03:37:07.280 not going to be dickheads. Does that work for you? So, 4043 03:37:07.360 --> 03:37:09.760 like we kind of already have the biggest bench in 4044 03:37:09.760 --> 03:37:14.040 the world, if it makes sense, Are you guys happy 4045 03:37:14.079 --> 03:37:15.280 with that? Or do you think we should have a 4046 03:37:15.280 --> 03:37:16.280 dedicated bench. 4047 03:37:17.399 --> 03:37:20.360 I don't mind, man, I think we should keep if 4048 03:37:20.399 --> 03:37:22.079 you could keep a list of all the people that. 4049 03:37:22.760 --> 03:37:25.120 Like reliable people, sure, yeah. 4050 03:37:25.159 --> 03:37:28.200 And the only advantage I don't think we need it, 4051 03:37:28.239 --> 03:37:32.120 but the advantage of having like those a bench for 4052 03:37:32.200 --> 03:37:34.319 Friday and the bench for Saturdays, we like, we would 4053 03:37:34.360 --> 03:37:35.840 know who to reach out to because maybe they can't 4054 03:37:35.879 --> 03:37:38.079 make Saturday, or they but they want to make Friday, 4055 03:37:38.159 --> 03:37:39.079 or vice versa. 4056 03:37:39.520 --> 03:37:42.120 Yeah. But the one good thing about it, and you're 4057 03:37:42.159 --> 03:37:45.200 you're right, lads, You're right that dad would work. The 4058 03:37:45.239 --> 03:37:48.559 only it's also a good thing to use the strengths 4059 03:37:48.559 --> 03:37:51.319 of countdown. So, like, the good thing is if you 4060 03:37:51.440 --> 03:37:54.280 need two people for the Friday raid because two people 4061 03:37:54.280 --> 03:37:56.799 can't make it that week, I can send a ping 4062 03:37:56.840 --> 03:37:58.959 out to three thousand people in the discord saying we 4063 03:37:59.040 --> 03:38:01.520 need to for the fuck can raid this Friday night. 4064 03:38:01.559 --> 03:38:02.120 You know what I mean? 4065 03:38:02.840 --> 03:38:06.639 That's that's so much easier. Yeah, let's do it that way. 4066 03:38:06.760 --> 03:38:11.399 So yeah, all right, we might do it that way. Okay, Look, guys, 4067 03:38:11.959 --> 03:38:15.840 is every are people happy? Are people feeling positive? Talk 4068 03:38:15.840 --> 03:38:19.280 amongst yourselves. Guys, the meeting is adjourned. Thank you so 4069 03:38:19.399 --> 03:38:21.799 much for fucking sitting through all that. I'm really happy 4070 03:38:21.840 --> 03:38:24.120 with how that's gone. We can get through more details 4071 03:38:24.159 --> 03:38:27.360 later if we need to. But guys, I love you. 4072 03:38:27.799 --> 03:38:33.360 Look forward to rating with all of you. Oh yeah, 4073 03:38:33.440 --> 03:38:36.159 hell yeah, how would Marcus? What are we going to 4074 03:38:36.239 --> 03:38:39.760 do with all these fucking Europeans. 4075 03:38:40.000 --> 03:38:45.200 Enjoy their company? Yes, I've found that Europeans are pretty 4076 03:38:45.280 --> 03:38:50.639 fucking wholesome, dudes, I agree, especially like the smaller the 4077 03:38:50.680 --> 03:38:52.719 country they come from, the better they seem to be. 4078 03:38:52.799 --> 03:38:53.360 To be honest. 4079 03:38:54.280 --> 03:39:00.559 Yeah, for Estonians and Icelanders, Yes you do, yes you do. 4080 03:39:01.479 --> 03:39:05.399 Oh very good. So sorry, I will say, uh, just 4081 03:39:05.440 --> 03:39:08.920 to reiterate one last time, we are still for the 4082 03:39:09.479 --> 03:39:13.399 Saturday team is full, guys. The Friday team is looking 4083 03:39:13.399 --> 03:39:17.239 for a tank and three heelers and arranged DPS. Reach 4084 03:39:17.319 --> 03:39:19.879 out to myself. All lads, if you fit the bill. Okay, 4085 03:39:21.520 --> 03:39:24.000 that goes out to all you countdown listeners there in 4086 03:39:24.079 --> 03:39:28.840 the podcast verse. All right, fucking ale, Look, look what 4087 03:39:28.959 --> 03:39:32.719 the fucking cat tragged in? What What a fucking lovely 4088 03:39:32.760 --> 03:39:34.280 surprise to have at the end of the pod? 4089 03:39:35.479 --> 03:39:37.360 Hell yeah, did everybody else just hear that? 4090 03:39:37.600 --> 03:39:39.079 What? 4091 03:39:39.079 --> 03:39:39.520 What do you hear? 4092 03:39:40.440 --> 03:39:44.879 You're like your voice just went like weird as I did. 4093 03:39:44.920 --> 03:39:50.120 I moved, I moved, I moved my microphone, so that okay, 4094 03:39:50.120 --> 03:39:53.280 that's good now, guys, Look, I'll just open leave this 4095 03:39:53.319 --> 03:39:56.479 open for conversation, but like I don't I don't want 4096 03:39:56.520 --> 03:39:59.760 you to feel locked into your class either. Like I 4097 03:39:59.799 --> 03:40:03.280 can completely understand if next week or the week after 4098 03:40:03.399 --> 03:40:06.479 you go Josh. Look, I'm so sorry, mate. I fucking 4099 03:40:06.520 --> 03:40:09.200 told you I was playing Destruction Warlock, but I'm just 4100 03:40:09.319 --> 03:40:11.360 really not feeling it. I want to play this class 4101 03:40:11.360 --> 03:40:14.879 instead instead. I'm sure it'll be fine and we can 4102 03:40:14.920 --> 03:40:16.840 make it work. Just reach out to me. I have 4103 03:40:16.959 --> 03:40:19.120 no doubt that we're going to get a few more 4104 03:40:19.200 --> 03:40:21.920 changes over the next couple of weeks, So just don't 4105 03:40:21.920 --> 03:40:25.200 feel locked. The worst thing that could happen is we 4106 03:40:25.280 --> 03:40:28.319 get people playing a class they don't want to play 4107 03:40:28.440 --> 03:40:29.479 outside of Voodoo. 4108 03:40:33.719 --> 03:40:34.280 Here's where you go. 4109 03:40:34.319 --> 03:40:36.040 You're regretting Shadow Priests already. 4110 03:40:36.959 --> 03:40:40.280 No, he does like he likes it. He does like it. 4111 03:40:42.239 --> 03:40:44.799 Oh sorry, I forgot his classes fired guild Bink. 4112 03:40:45.440 --> 03:40:47.799 Yeah exactly, Voodoo. I mean, I don't want to talks 4113 03:40:47.840 --> 03:40:50.600 for you. We're not being mean. You do enjoy Shadow 4114 03:40:50.600 --> 03:40:54.760 Breste right, Oh yeah, I love it. I shut the 4115 03:40:54.840 --> 03:40:55.360 fuck up. 4116 03:40:56.520 --> 03:40:58.639 Oh god, the excitement is. 4117 03:41:03.799 --> 03:41:05.000 Oh my god. 4118 03:41:08.239 --> 03:41:10.600 Link link twice, I know, right. 4119 03:41:12.639 --> 03:41:15.040 Fuck. I we did a we did a heroic just 4120 03:41:15.079 --> 03:41:17.920 earlier on the PCR, and yeah, I was happy with 4121 03:41:17.959 --> 03:41:20.840 my little Fury Warrior. I said I'd play Mage. It's 4122 03:41:20.879 --> 03:41:22.840 funny because I said, I pay my Playmage, and a 4123 03:41:22.879 --> 03:41:25.840 thousand majors signed up, and I said, fine, it's probably 4124 03:41:25.840 --> 03:41:28.200 better for the guild if I play Warrior anyway, because 4125 03:41:28.200 --> 03:41:31.799 then I can, you know, flex tank if need be, 4126 03:41:31.879 --> 03:41:34.639 even though I don't want to really play tank. And 4127 03:41:34.680 --> 03:41:37.760 now all the majors have disappeared, so it's wonderful. So 4128 03:41:37.879 --> 03:41:39.959 I've got some real decisions to make on whether i 4129 03:41:40.000 --> 03:41:44.280 play Major or Warrior. But I'll probably stick with the Warrior. 4130 03:41:44.319 --> 03:41:47.520 But you know, because it's me. Nothing is locked down 4131 03:41:47.639 --> 03:41:50.600 until it's day one of TBC. So is anyone else 4132 03:41:50.639 --> 03:41:54.520 here if he about their class or is everyone pretty confident? 4133 03:41:55.520 --> 03:41:58.120 No, I'm not iffy about giving it a go. I'm 4134 03:41:58.159 --> 03:42:00.799 a bit I'm a bit iffy play it though, but 4135 03:42:00.879 --> 03:42:01.639 I'll figure it out. 4136 03:42:01.840 --> 03:42:03.479 Rest Druid's pace a pot. 4137 03:42:03.680 --> 03:42:07.200 It's my mic working better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, An 4138 03:42:07.280 --> 03:42:08.559 you guys understanding, Alright. Cool. 4139 03:42:08.639 --> 03:42:11.200 I was gonna say, I'm like, I'm cool playing Drude 4140 03:42:11.200 --> 03:42:13.120 for you guys, but I just want to iterate again too, 4141 03:42:13.159 --> 03:42:14.959 like if there are a bunch of changeups, like I'm 4142 03:42:15.000 --> 03:42:17.360 the most still guy like in like in the guilds. 4143 03:42:17.360 --> 03:42:19.280 So if we end up on a Saturday team needing 4144 03:42:19.319 --> 03:42:21.040 a tank and the tank drops out or a healer 4145 03:42:21.079 --> 03:42:23.280 by the time we actually start TVC, like, I'm not 4146 03:42:23.360 --> 03:42:25.719 locked into Boomy, super happy to play Boomy fore you guys, 4147 03:42:25.760 --> 03:42:27.280 but just a reminder him down for anything. 4148 03:42:27.680 --> 03:42:30.840 See that that's how you get yourself hard. Rest Autumn's people, 4149 03:42:31.040 --> 03:42:33.559 if he can fucking back that positive attitude up on 4150 03:42:33.600 --> 03:42:36.000 the mates. Fucking that's what I'm like. 4151 03:42:35.959 --> 03:42:40.000 To hey man, the meters will be too high if 4152 03:42:40.000 --> 03:42:41.399 I'm a boomy. I don't know if you ever seen 4153 03:42:41.440 --> 03:42:45.440 TBC boomy numbers, sig. 4154 03:42:45.360 --> 03:42:46.600 It up will help. 4155 03:42:46.920 --> 03:42:51.879 Yeah, exactly what We've pretty much got it. I'm just 4156 03:42:51.920 --> 03:42:53.760 trying to think of what we're mis seeing, not that 4157 03:42:53.879 --> 03:42:57.120 I would want. I'm happy with this ro stat as 4158 03:42:57.120 --> 03:42:59.200 it's set right now. I'm just trying to think were 4159 03:42:59.200 --> 03:43:01.000 we actually don't have have not that we need it. 4160 03:43:01.000 --> 03:43:06.559 We don't have a survival hunter. We don't have a 4161 03:43:06.600 --> 03:43:10.399 demonology warlock. No one needs one of them. We don't 4162 03:43:10.399 --> 03:43:14.520 have a fire mage, not that you need one. We 4163 03:43:14.600 --> 03:43:19.479 don't have a I think that's about it. We have 4164 03:43:19.479 --> 03:43:22.200 a disc priest. Not that again, it doesn't fucking none 4165 03:43:22.200 --> 03:43:22.760 of it matters. 4166 03:43:24.399 --> 03:43:25.719 Just priest is so good? 4167 03:43:26.159 --> 03:43:27.239 Yeah, they are, they are. 4168 03:43:29.319 --> 03:43:30.879 I apologize that this already got said. 4169 03:43:30.920 --> 03:43:33.200 Is there like a is there like a date that 4170 03:43:33.799 --> 03:43:36.719 your people are targeting to try to do the first raid? 4171 03:43:36.799 --> 03:43:37.399 Like we're lovely? 4172 03:43:37.600 --> 03:43:41.319 Oh really really good point, great point. We we sort 4173 03:43:41.319 --> 03:43:47.079 of started talking about it. I look, I'm flexible on this, 4174 03:43:47.360 --> 03:43:50.719 but like we're not. We're not doing the You must 4175 03:43:50.719 --> 03:43:54.639 be seventy and fucking ready to raid by day one 4176 03:43:54.680 --> 03:43:58.600 of when the raid comes out. Absolutely not right. But 4177 03:43:58.879 --> 03:44:01.280 in saying that, I don't want to pay take the 4178 03:44:01.319 --> 03:44:04.239 piece and let people like Limp dick their way to 4179 03:44:04.280 --> 03:44:06.280 seventy over six weeks. Do you know what I mean? 4180 03:44:06.399 --> 03:44:09.760 So I'm open for feedback on this one. This will 4181 03:44:09.799 --> 03:44:14.680 be a group decision. I will basically say my preference 4182 03:44:15.280 --> 03:44:18.959 would be be ready by either the second or the 4183 03:44:19.000 --> 03:44:21.079 third week that the raid is out. What do you 4184 03:44:21.120 --> 03:44:21.719 guys think? 4185 03:44:22.799 --> 03:44:27.159 Mm hmm, that's fair. That's more than enough time. 4186 03:44:28.440 --> 03:44:30.680 Yeah, So do we know when the raid is coming 4187 03:44:30.680 --> 03:44:31.399 out as week? 4188 03:44:31.479 --> 03:44:32.959 Is it for sure going to be two weeks after? 4189 03:44:33.079 --> 03:44:39.360 We don't know. I'm guessing two weeks, okay, the two 4190 03:44:39.399 --> 03:44:41.680 weeks or one week that they don't usually do one week. 4191 03:44:42.760 --> 03:44:45.399 I feel like Karra was available the same week. 4192 03:44:45.639 --> 03:44:47.520 Yes, I don't know. 4193 03:44:49.200 --> 03:44:51.799 It could very well be ready for the get go, honestly, 4194 03:44:51.920 --> 03:44:53.920 especially we're testing on it already. 4195 03:44:54.159 --> 03:44:56.079 I don't know about twenty five minutes, but I remember 4196 03:44:56.120 --> 03:44:58.159 doing Cara five days after launch. 4197 03:44:58.360 --> 03:45:00.879 Let's do it this way, Let's forget get that. Let's 4198 03:45:00.920 --> 03:45:04.399 go from the date of launch plus how many days 4199 03:45:05.079 --> 03:45:10.399 do you would you rather be seventy and ready three 4200 03:45:10.479 --> 03:45:15.079 weeks after launch or more or less? It's up to you, guys. 4201 03:45:15.479 --> 03:45:17.920 I think three is maybe a sweet spot, but I'm 4202 03:45:17.959 --> 03:45:18.760 happy to be led. 4203 03:45:20.559 --> 03:45:24.079 Yeah, I mean three weeks for twenty fives is like 4204 03:45:24.319 --> 03:45:25.280 more than generous? 4205 03:45:26.639 --> 03:45:29.079 Should we should we have? Should we have? Should we have? 4206 03:45:29.120 --> 03:45:32.239 The Like, I want you ready by three weeks after launch, 4207 03:45:32.520 --> 03:45:34.760 but the hard court cut off is four weeks. Basically, 4208 03:45:34.799 --> 03:45:36.479 if you're not ready by four weeks, we'll have to 4209 03:45:36.479 --> 03:45:37.239 replace your slot. 4210 03:45:38.600 --> 03:45:40.040 I would say that about three weeks. 4211 03:45:40.200 --> 03:45:42.719 Yeah, okay, what do you guys think? Anyone else on 4212 03:45:42.760 --> 03:45:43.079 this one? 4213 03:45:43.799 --> 03:45:44.000 Yeah? 4214 03:45:44.079 --> 03:45:45.399 Yeah, I'm serious. 4215 03:45:45.920 --> 03:45:47.399 Yeah, I would say three weeks. 4216 03:45:47.479 --> 03:45:51.120 Yeah, it doesn't fuck around. That's a second vote for 4217 03:45:51.159 --> 03:45:53.079 cut off for three weeks. What do you other guys think? 4218 03:45:54.639 --> 03:45:54.879 Yeah? 4219 03:45:54.959 --> 03:45:58.319 So, I mean there would be like a first official 4220 03:45:58.440 --> 03:46:00.280 rate and then there would be like a cut off. 4221 03:46:00.319 --> 03:46:01.680 These are two separate dates, right. 4222 03:46:01.680 --> 03:46:06.000 Or separate two separate dates. I'm happy to give people leeway, 4223 03:46:06.120 --> 03:46:08.120 Like I'm not going to be like, if you're notady 4224 03:46:08.120 --> 03:46:10.399 in that first rate, you're fucking out. No, I'm I'm 4225 03:46:10.399 --> 03:46:12.120 happy to wait a week or sorry for people to 4226 03:46:12.159 --> 03:46:12.559 catch up. 4227 03:46:13.760 --> 03:46:14.600 Well, what's the cutoff? 4228 03:46:14.600 --> 03:46:17.559 And like we're talking like pre biss. 4229 03:46:17.200 --> 03:46:19.680 Or Oh, I don't care about gee, I'm just talking 4230 03:46:19.680 --> 03:46:22.159 about just get to seventy. 4231 03:46:23.280 --> 03:46:23.479 Oh. 4232 03:46:23.559 --> 03:46:26.680 I think three weeks is reasonable, I would say. 4233 03:46:27.280 --> 03:46:29.879 Also, you don't need prebiss to do nerved care. 4234 03:46:30.239 --> 03:46:33.000 Yeah of course, yeah, yeah, you need to take care 4235 03:46:33.120 --> 03:46:38.000 to get your gear to do heroic exactly, exactly. 4236 03:46:38.360 --> 03:46:41.879 Yeah, I think three weeks is a good timeline. 4237 03:46:42.079 --> 03:46:44.399 I only want to say this if everyone's okay with it. 4238 03:46:44.440 --> 03:46:48.879 So someone yell out if you think we're being too harsh. 4239 03:46:48.239 --> 03:46:50.000 Look at someone with no skin in the game. 4240 03:46:50.120 --> 03:46:52.200 The way guilds that I've done it in the past 4241 03:46:52.399 --> 03:46:54.559 is like you said a cut off, Like you're saying 4242 03:46:54.600 --> 03:46:57.120 like three weeks or something, and when a bunch of 4243 03:46:57.159 --> 03:47:00.719 you were already level seventy after five days, you guys 4244 03:47:00.799 --> 03:47:03.559 just go as a non standard group and plug it 4245 03:47:03.680 --> 03:47:05.399 and have a good time and tell them the cut 4246 03:47:05.399 --> 03:47:05.719 off dat. 4247 03:47:06.959 --> 03:47:09.680 Yeah, so do you think so? Do you think four 4248 03:47:09.719 --> 03:47:11.079 weeks is taking the piers? 4249 03:47:12.559 --> 03:47:13.440 I think that's too much? 4250 03:47:13.479 --> 03:47:15.799 Yeah, yeah, wait, too much? Okay, people are going to 4251 03:47:15.840 --> 03:47:18.840 get yeah, all right, all right, three weeks, three weeks, 4252 03:47:18.879 --> 03:47:20.719 it is Voodoo will have to put a boot up 4253 03:47:20.760 --> 03:47:24.440 Hunk's ass. Okay, one of us work the level for him. 4254 03:47:24.799 --> 03:47:28.959 We actually might have to. Like he he's a liability. 4255 03:47:29.840 --> 03:47:30.879 We'll take ano sens. 4256 03:47:31.120 --> 03:47:33.399 Oh my god, he's so fucking bad. 4257 03:47:35.559 --> 03:47:37.520 Guess I gotta split and looking forward to reading with you. 4258 03:47:37.760 --> 03:47:38.600 Thanks Josh, you. 4259 03:47:38.639 --> 03:47:41.000 Too, man, Thank you, thank you, thank you. All right, guys, 4260 03:47:41.000 --> 03:47:42.719 that that I'd mean it this time, we can just 4261 03:47:42.719 --> 03:47:44.959 shoot the ship. I'd like, we're done with the guild 4262 03:47:45.000 --> 03:47:46.719 stuff that that. Thank you so much for. 4263 03:47:47.159 --> 03:47:49.319 Just in and put himself on follow. 4264 03:47:50.559 --> 03:47:52.879 Look, I mean that's that's probably what what we'll have 4265 03:47:52.959 --> 03:47:54.639 to do with him. I don't know. I mean, I'm 4266 03:47:55.079 --> 03:47:58.360 half joking, like we're not going to fucking level for Haunk, 4267 03:47:58.719 --> 03:48:01.239 But like if he really says to me, mate, I'm 4268 03:48:01.239 --> 03:48:02.639 not going to make it. I need you to do it, 4269 03:48:02.719 --> 03:48:05.959 then I consider it. We'll see. Just do the old 4270 03:48:06.000 --> 03:48:11.120 put him on follow, see what happens hypathetically. But Josh, 4271 03:48:11.159 --> 03:48:17.079 that's terms of service. Fucking Josh, you boot yourself from 4272 03:48:17.079 --> 03:48:19.479 the guild. You're breaking the rules. You've I didn't touch 4273 03:48:19.479 --> 03:48:21.639 on the gold buying rule of let's let me quickly 4274 03:48:21.639 --> 03:48:24.520 do that. I'm so sorry everyone. You can't kick people 4275 03:48:24.520 --> 03:48:26.760 out of the guild for buying gold while you're breaking 4276 03:48:26.840 --> 03:48:31.280 terms of service and leveling for your mate, which is 4277 03:48:31.319 --> 03:48:36.079 a fair fair Yeah, exactly, so Voodoo. I just want 4278 03:48:36.120 --> 03:48:39.159 to say this thing for anyone listening at home that 4279 03:48:39.200 --> 03:48:41.120 didn't see my notification of the discord, for all you 4280 03:48:41.159 --> 03:48:43.920 guys here, like, I know you guys know what I've said, 4281 03:48:43.920 --> 03:48:48.719 but I just I need to seriously underline something. M 4282 03:48:49.959 --> 03:48:52.319 We kicked another person out of the guild for gold 4283 03:48:52.360 --> 03:48:55.200 buying two days ago, and they tried to do the 4284 03:48:55.200 --> 03:48:57.680 most ridiculous excuse in the world, even though it was 4285 03:48:57.799 --> 03:49:01.319 incredibly obvious that they bought gold. And I don't want 4286 03:49:01.360 --> 03:49:03.000 to hear the fucking but how do you know? How 4287 03:49:03.000 --> 03:49:05.079 do you know? I wasn't born yesterday. I'm not a 4288 03:49:05.079 --> 03:49:10.120 fucking idiot. So it's a shame because I mean, the 4289 03:49:10.559 --> 03:49:12.520 guy's a nice guy and he was keen to raid 4290 03:49:12.559 --> 03:49:15.040 with us, and now I'm sorry, but he's wearing the 4291 03:49:15.079 --> 03:49:17.319 social ramifications of not being able to raid with us 4292 03:49:17.319 --> 03:49:20.200 because I fucking caught him gold buying. And you guys know, 4293 03:49:20.319 --> 03:49:23.879 I have like three or four massive issues with Wow 4294 03:49:24.000 --> 03:49:27.479 like bugbears, and gold buying is one of them. So 4295 03:49:28.600 --> 03:49:31.399 I just want to put it out there to people 4296 03:49:31.600 --> 03:49:37.040 that I am not fucking joking when I say I 4297 03:49:37.120 --> 03:49:41.479 will boot you without thinking if you even give me 4298 03:49:41.799 --> 03:49:45.159 half a reason to think you've bought gold. And that's 4299 03:49:45.559 --> 03:49:48.479 the thing that people are struggling with, Like, it's not 4300 03:49:48.760 --> 03:49:51.959 Josh has to prove I'm buying gold, it's if Josh 4301 03:49:52.440 --> 03:49:55.920 suspects that I am buying gold, I am gone from 4302 03:49:55.920 --> 03:49:58.520 this guild. So it's on you to do everything to 4303 03:49:58.600 --> 03:50:02.760 avoid me suspect you of buying gold. Okay, Now, I 4304 03:50:02.799 --> 03:50:06.000 appreciate that people can get wealthy in this game and 4305 03:50:06.040 --> 03:50:08.840 that there are perfectly plausible arguments out there as to 4306 03:50:08.879 --> 03:50:12.360 why you have wealth, but don't do the dumb one 4307 03:50:12.719 --> 03:50:15.319 where it's like, hey, hey, hey, I'll buy gold and 4308 03:50:15.399 --> 03:50:17.680 just told tell him I haven't slept for a week, 4309 03:50:17.719 --> 03:50:20.280 and I mind seven days in a row. And that's 4310 03:50:20.319 --> 03:50:23.079 why I've got all this shit. I can fucking put 4311 03:50:23.079 --> 03:50:26.079 two and two together, and no one is safe. And 4312 03:50:26.120 --> 03:50:29.120 this goes to Marcus, this goes to Voodoo, this goes 4313 03:50:29.159 --> 03:50:32.319 to Ale, this goes to Hunk, especially, it goes to 4314 03:50:32.600 --> 03:50:36.680 those guys I don't care how tight we are. I 4315 03:50:36.799 --> 03:50:40.760 will fucking unceremoniously boot you from the guild and laugh 4316 03:50:40.879 --> 03:50:43.879 while doing it if I catch you buying gold end 4317 03:50:43.920 --> 03:50:46.639 a story. Do not think you're safe. I'm wearing the 4318 03:50:46.639 --> 03:50:51.200 friendship blanket. No, you're fucking not. The rule applies to everyone. 4319 03:50:51.600 --> 03:50:55.360 You're gone, No debates, no questions asked. This is a 4320 03:50:55.440 --> 03:50:58.479 big thing for me. Guys, don't fuck with me on 4321 03:50:58.559 --> 03:51:00.639 this is that okay for everyone? 4322 03:51:02.360 --> 03:51:05.399 Yeah? Absolutely, yep, all right. 4323 03:51:05.520 --> 03:51:05.920 I mean. 4324 03:51:07.799 --> 03:51:09.920 People have made fun of me because I remember there 4325 03:51:09.959 --> 03:51:12.639 was that guy a few years ago when the fresh 4326 03:51:12.760 --> 03:51:15.879 Rath Servers or whatever came out and the content creator 4327 03:51:16.000 --> 03:51:18.719 was like, I'm gonna make an ethical guild and all 4328 03:51:18.760 --> 03:51:21.479 that shit. Like people have sort of already started teasing 4329 03:51:21.520 --> 03:51:23.840 me about trying to do something similar, and it's like, no, 4330 03:51:23.920 --> 03:51:27.239 I'm not. I look, I'm not trying to like get 4331 03:51:27.239 --> 03:51:30.319 too high up on my soapbox here. It's just like, 4332 03:51:30.440 --> 03:51:33.479 I don't think it's wild to ask people not to 4333 03:51:33.559 --> 03:51:36.719 fucking buy gold and cheat. Says the guy who says 4334 03:51:36.760 --> 03:51:39.600 he'll level a character for his friend, So you know 4335 03:51:39.639 --> 03:51:40.079 what I mean. 4336 03:51:41.879 --> 03:51:45.399 Well, here, here's the biggest thing with that, Josh is 4337 03:51:46.559 --> 03:51:50.239 you buy gold and say, you know, you got a 4338 03:51:50.239 --> 03:51:52.760 couple of guillies are like, hey, man, spectually gold to 4339 03:51:52.760 --> 03:51:55.399 help get some bags, could you help out? You trade 4340 03:51:55.399 --> 03:52:00.520 that gold to that person, they're then at risk. Okay, 4341 03:52:01.319 --> 03:52:06.120 I've seen that happen and it's just not pretty. Yeah, 4342 03:52:06.200 --> 03:52:07.840 I mean you're putting somebody else to at risk a 4343 03:52:07.879 --> 03:52:09.920 getting banned as well. 4344 03:52:09.479 --> 03:52:14.440 All of you guys here are wearing the fucking protection 4345 03:52:14.840 --> 03:52:17.280 of a guild that does not give a shit. Okay, 4346 03:52:17.680 --> 03:52:21.040 this is not a guild that expects amazing results of 4347 03:52:21.079 --> 03:52:24.319 You don't stare at the meters and be like, oh 4348 03:52:24.319 --> 03:52:26.319 my god, I've got to buy gold because I have 4349 03:52:26.399 --> 03:52:29.319 to have X, Y and Z consume or this guild 4350 03:52:29.319 --> 03:52:32.280 will turf me, or oh my god, I have to 4351 03:52:32.280 --> 03:52:34.479 get ninety nine. This is not the past guilt. Look 4352 03:52:34.479 --> 03:52:38.680 look the Friday team. If they want to do the 4353 03:52:38.719 --> 03:52:41.680 past thing, they're allowed to. You guys, allows, if you 4354 03:52:41.719 --> 03:52:44.479 want to build that culture in you go nuts. Okay. 4355 03:52:44.600 --> 03:52:48.000 I'm more mean, like, I don't care if people you 4356 03:52:48.040 --> 03:52:51.159 know a log for like, they do the log so 4357 03:52:51.200 --> 03:52:53.760 that they can submit their passes. I don't care about that. 4358 03:52:53.840 --> 03:52:56.959 Go nuts. But I don't want a culture being built 4359 03:52:57.200 --> 03:53:00.159 where it's ninety nine, or fuck off the whole thing 4360 03:53:00.399 --> 03:53:02.079 with the Saturday team. I can assure you, and I 4361 03:53:02.079 --> 03:53:04.680 would implore the Friday team to do the same. Is 4362 03:53:05.159 --> 03:53:10.040 we don't care what you're passing. Press your buttons and 4363 03:53:10.159 --> 03:53:13.440 you're safe. If I catch you not pressing your buttons, 4364 03:53:13.840 --> 03:53:16.920 then we're having a different conversation. Okay, but if you're 4365 03:53:16.920 --> 03:53:21.360 just doing average DPS for your class, that's fine. We're 4366 03:53:21.360 --> 03:53:23.520 downing the content. Who gives a fuck. I don't expect 4367 03:53:23.559 --> 03:53:25.479 you to be the best in the world. But if 4368 03:53:25.520 --> 03:53:27.600 you're not pressing your buttons, and I look at your 4369 03:53:27.600 --> 03:53:31.159 fucking logs and you're pressing a GCD every six seconds, 4370 03:53:31.840 --> 03:53:33.920 now we're going to have a very serious conversation about 4371 03:53:33.920 --> 03:53:36.280 whether or not you can keep your slot in this raid. Okay, 4372 03:53:36.959 --> 03:53:40.719 that's a very different thing. We don't care about passes. 4373 03:53:40.840 --> 03:53:43.840 If you get a fucking thirty pass every week, but 4374 03:53:44.000 --> 03:53:50.799 you're pressing your buttons, I don't care. So don't feel 4375 03:53:50.799 --> 03:53:53.840 compelled to buy gold because you think you're in a 4376 03:53:53.920 --> 03:53:58.760 high performance guild. You're not. Huh there, I got it 4377 03:53:58.760 --> 03:54:00.879 out of my system. 4378 03:54:00.920 --> 03:54:03.600 We also spreads like the plague. You know, we'll let 4379 03:54:03.600 --> 03:54:09.200 it go, then more people feel compelled or are compelled. 4380 03:54:09.280 --> 03:54:12.000 Yeah, let's give him, Let's give him the plague. 4381 03:54:13.680 --> 03:54:16.440 Yeah, speaking of parses, Josh, if you're okay with it, 4382 03:54:16.559 --> 03:54:20.440 I mean my vision I guess for the right team 4383 03:54:20.479 --> 03:54:23.000 is I want to encourage people to play as hard 4384 03:54:23.000 --> 03:54:24.680 as they want to and they play their best, and 4385 03:54:24.760 --> 03:54:28.040 to consume it's hard, and to research their class and 4386 03:54:28.040 --> 03:54:29.840 to try to get look at logs to get better 4387 03:54:30.079 --> 03:54:34.680 for themselves personally. But I hate parts culture and I'm 4388 03:54:34.680 --> 03:54:36.159 just gonna tell everyone if you if I see you 4389 03:54:36.239 --> 03:54:39.280 bragging like in raid chat or you know, in voice 4390 03:54:39.280 --> 03:54:41.920 about like your ninety nine parts, the very next day, 4391 03:54:42.200 --> 03:54:43.959 I'm gonna promise people, I'm gonna come to you Josh 4392 03:54:44.000 --> 03:54:45.840 and say, can I replace this person? 4393 03:54:45.959 --> 03:54:46.840 Yeah? I'm kind. 4394 03:54:47.520 --> 03:54:49.799 I was just gonna it's gonna be your choice, not mind. 4395 03:54:49.840 --> 03:54:51.440 Like I'm just said. 4396 03:54:51.479 --> 03:54:55.879 Days, I want to want get better, but. 4397 03:54:55.879 --> 03:54:58.719 Log away, log away, will log you log I'm more 4398 03:54:58.719 --> 03:55:00.399 than happy to look at your log and see what 4399 03:55:00.440 --> 03:55:04.280 you can improve. Go nuts, make a friendly joke amongst friends, 4400 03:55:04.319 --> 03:55:09.079 I don't care. But when if someone starts talking in 4401 03:55:09.120 --> 03:55:13.360 an obnoxious way about their passes, you'll be fucking treading 4402 03:55:13.360 --> 03:55:14.280 on thin Ice. 4403 03:55:16.399 --> 03:55:18.559 Cool. Yeah, same page. I hate that ship, like, oh 4404 03:55:18.600 --> 03:55:20.559 I did better in this fight than you on, you know, 4405 03:55:21.319 --> 03:55:23.920 in a co op game that's been out for twenty 4406 03:55:23.920 --> 03:55:27.559 five years, Like it doesn't. I'm not impressed by it. 4407 03:55:27.600 --> 03:55:29.440 I think it just it puts pressure on other people 4408 03:55:30.680 --> 03:55:32.360 and it's just done. I think it's not cool. 4409 03:55:32.440 --> 03:55:35.799 You could have positive parse culture like you could we 4410 03:55:36.120 --> 03:55:39.639 like when we did in Understand, like hey man, hey 4411 03:55:40.200 --> 03:55:42.959 take got a ninety nine, man, awesome job, or you know, 4412 03:55:43.040 --> 03:55:44.000 Hitler got ninety nine. 4413 03:55:44.040 --> 03:55:44.440 It's great. 4414 03:55:45.200 --> 03:55:48.639 You know, it's not it's not invoking the word. 4415 03:55:48.920 --> 03:55:52.680 Invoking the word past doesn't get you fucking booted. But 4416 03:55:53.120 --> 03:55:55.360 what I'm saying is, obviously, you know, you know when 4417 03:55:55.360 --> 03:55:58.440 a line's being crossed, when it's obnoxious or negative or whatnot, 4418 03:55:58.559 --> 03:56:01.239 like none of that, fucking none of that, because this 4419 03:56:01.319 --> 03:56:02.680 is not the guild for that. If you want to 4420 03:56:02.719 --> 03:56:05.120 do that, there's so many other guilds out there for you. 4421 03:56:06.840 --> 03:56:10.719 Celebrate high performance, but you don't need to punish it. Yeah, exactly. 4422 03:56:11.000 --> 03:56:13.680 And the people who the people who, you know, if 4423 03:56:13.719 --> 03:56:17.440 there are people doing terribly, they will be pulled aside 4424 03:56:17.440 --> 03:56:19.920 and gone, hey man, how can we help you out 4425 03:56:20.159 --> 03:56:22.399 you know, let's try and lift your performance, otherwise we 4426 03:56:22.479 --> 03:56:27.280 might have to replace you. That's fine, that's what it 4427 03:56:27.280 --> 03:56:29.479 should be exactly. 4428 03:56:29.520 --> 03:56:29.719 Yeah. 4429 03:56:29.719 --> 03:56:31.479 So that's for a RAID leader to call out, not 4430 03:56:31.639 --> 03:56:33.200 for randos to do. 4431 03:56:33.719 --> 03:56:35.840 Yeah, that's that's not for one hunter to turn to 4432 03:56:35.879 --> 03:56:38.520 the other and go shut the fuck up, mister sixty three. 4433 03:56:38.760 --> 03:56:39.360 You know what I mean. 4434 03:56:40.959 --> 03:56:42.159 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. 4435 03:56:43.319 --> 03:56:46.799 So, look, we're going to be fine, but we're not 4436 03:56:46.879 --> 03:56:50.840 the past culture Guild. But in saying that, yes, Vestige, 4437 03:56:50.879 --> 03:56:52.920 I don't want to scare you shitless. You're not going 4438 03:56:52.959 --> 03:56:56.559 to be banned for saying the word passing raids. 4439 03:56:56.719 --> 03:56:58.680 None of us are buying gold. They are able to afford, 4440 03:56:58.760 --> 03:56:59.920 and he consumes. 4441 03:56:59.479 --> 03:57:04.639 Anyway, exactly exactly, So do what you want with consumes. 4442 03:57:04.760 --> 03:57:07.079 I don't give a fuck my Saturday raid. They won't 4443 03:57:07.079 --> 03:57:10.440 be mandatory, you know, it's the old. It's it sucks 4444 03:57:10.440 --> 03:57:13.360 because you do the old. They're not mandatory but encouraged. 4445 03:57:13.399 --> 03:57:15.479 But then when you say that, everyone thinks they're mandatory 4446 03:57:15.520 --> 03:57:17.559 and turns up with them anyway. Of course, I'll want 4447 03:57:17.559 --> 03:57:20.040 you turning up with consumes, but like I'm not going 4448 03:57:20.120 --> 03:57:22.040 to be like, hey man, you're out of the raid 4449 03:57:22.040 --> 03:57:23.840 because you didn't bring consumes this week. I just don't 4450 03:57:23.840 --> 03:57:26.120 give a fuck. I don't give a fucking particularly in 4451 03:57:26.159 --> 03:57:29.520 phase one, Phase one, I don't give a fuck. But anyway, 4452 03:57:30.600 --> 03:57:32.479 we'll get it done. We'll get it done. We'll sort 4453 03:57:32.520 --> 03:57:34.760 it out. 4454 03:57:36.520 --> 03:57:40.040 Yeah, that's the guild will be happy the last we 4455 03:57:40.040 --> 03:57:41.879 can get. We can consume while. 4456 03:57:43.520 --> 03:57:47.680 Mmmmm, we'll sort out things like the guild. You know, 4457 03:57:47.799 --> 03:57:50.040 profession people like I don't know what if you guys, 4458 03:57:50.159 --> 03:57:51.920 you probably have put a lot of thought already into 4459 03:57:51.959 --> 03:57:54.520 what professions you're gonna do. We'll have the guild enchanter, 4460 03:57:54.680 --> 03:58:03.879 we'll have the guild fucking Taylor all that shit. Who 4461 03:58:04.000 --> 03:58:06.680 is going to be out fucking super sweaty and chance. 4462 03:58:06.799 --> 03:58:08.399 Has anyone giving any thoughts to that? 4463 03:58:09.639 --> 03:58:13.639 I mean, I'm going and chanting, but I don't necessarily 4464 03:58:14.280 --> 03:58:15.959 care if I have the enchant. I just want to 4465 03:58:15.959 --> 03:58:20.280 make sure whatever does you better be online, right, Like 4466 03:58:20.319 --> 03:58:22.200 I hate when people get the enchant and they raid 4467 03:58:22.280 --> 03:58:26.120 log and then no one ever get their chance. So 4468 03:58:26.319 --> 03:58:28.559 I don't mind being that people but person but I 4469 03:58:28.600 --> 03:58:31.280 know some people really love collecting all the chance, and 4470 03:58:31.799 --> 03:58:33.879 I'm happy to let them do it. But unless someone 4471 03:58:33.920 --> 03:58:36.799 like steps up all for my. 4472 03:58:36.760 --> 03:58:39.799 Team, and I was planning on doing doing and chanting 4473 03:58:39.840 --> 03:58:43.600 and you know, going into that hole selling in chance 4474 03:58:43.719 --> 03:58:47.520 and that's kind of what I wanted to do with Mage. 4475 03:58:47.520 --> 03:58:49.840 So hell yeah, I've never never done that before, but 4476 03:58:49.879 --> 03:58:50.239 I do. 4477 03:58:50.360 --> 03:58:54.159 I play a lot, so Saturday, right, I will love you. 4478 03:58:57.440 --> 03:59:01.040 I'm probably doing enchanting as well, and I am like 4479 03:59:01.559 --> 03:59:02.639 always available. 4480 03:59:02.959 --> 03:59:07.159 So who is anyone who's going through the pain, who's 4481 03:59:07.159 --> 03:59:08.600 going through the pain of crafting? 4482 03:59:10.200 --> 03:59:10.600 Uh? 4483 03:59:12.159 --> 03:59:15.600 Something like a fucking dragon More or anything? Who's doing 4484 03:59:15.680 --> 03:59:17.520 intense crafting professions? 4485 03:59:18.479 --> 03:59:22.959 Oh? Yeah and the maze. 4486 03:59:22.719 --> 03:59:28.200 Yeah yeah, they changed it back. They changed it again, 4487 03:59:28.239 --> 03:59:30.280 so you can't on the PTR. That changed it again. 4488 03:59:30.360 --> 03:59:31.840 So you can't you wheel dragon More. 4489 03:59:32.760 --> 03:59:34.040 Oh you can't do a wheel them? 4490 03:59:34.440 --> 03:59:38.120 Yeah, you know you quoted the start of PTR and 4491 03:59:38.200 --> 03:59:38.840 now you can't. 4492 03:59:39.840 --> 03:59:44.520 You can't you can do in the in the first well, 4493 03:59:44.559 --> 03:59:45.319 I guess the second. 4494 03:59:45.639 --> 03:59:50.479 Yeah, it's it's a light change. 4495 03:59:49.360 --> 03:59:52.079 The flasmith well. 4496 03:59:54.120 --> 03:59:56.639 To craft the tier three of it for your main hand, 4497 03:59:56.719 --> 03:59:58.479 and then you'd be able to craft the tier two 4498 03:59:58.559 --> 03:59:59.120 for your office. 4499 03:59:59.159 --> 04:00:01.520 Yeah, one of the one of them is still amazing. 4500 04:00:03.639 --> 04:00:08.440 Yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah, you should be able to 4501 04:00:08.479 --> 04:00:10.799 get like the tier two or Tier three version, you 4502 04:00:10.879 --> 04:00:13.000 still use the tier two or tier one version of it. 4503 04:00:13.360 --> 04:00:15.479 That was the whole like overpowered thing of it. 4504 04:00:15.639 --> 04:00:18.360 Oh okay, yeah. 4505 04:00:18.159 --> 04:00:22.200 Because it's once you create it, it's a mainhand. Once 4506 04:00:22.239 --> 04:00:24.760 you get to the tier three version of it, it's 4507 04:00:24.840 --> 04:00:29.000 mainhand only. But I believe it's one hand the first 4508 04:00:29.399 --> 04:00:33.159 two tiers, so you would craft the third tier put 4509 04:00:33.159 --> 04:00:35.040 it into your main hand, and then you would craft 4510 04:00:35.040 --> 04:00:36.879 the second tier and put it into your off hand. 4511 04:00:37.200 --> 04:00:39.120 And I believe you get the hase proc with the 4512 04:00:39.120 --> 04:00:42.719 second tier, so you would be able to double up 4513 04:00:42.719 --> 04:00:46.520 on your hase PROCs. Still just dual wielding the dragon manes. 4514 04:00:47.079 --> 04:00:51.360 Anyone, anyone being a super sweaty jewel craft up, Well 4515 04:00:51.440 --> 04:00:53.000 this time no, I know this time. 4516 04:00:54.239 --> 04:00:55.719 Lily Bett's going jewel crafting. 4517 04:00:56.000 --> 04:00:59.319 Someone else's of you guys say, i'd say that thanks 4518 04:00:59.319 --> 04:00:59.840 for coming along. 4519 04:01:00.479 --> 04:01:05.479 Thank I m you're gonna make so much gold jewell crafting. 4520 04:01:05.639 --> 04:01:07.959 That's yeah, that's why I was considered going to. 4521 04:01:10.760 --> 04:01:13.120 We're bringing some alchemists too, because you make some serious 4522 04:01:13.120 --> 04:01:14.079 gold with alchemy. 4523 04:01:14.399 --> 04:01:14.600 Yeah. 4524 04:01:14.959 --> 04:01:19.360 Anybody that's uh just gonna be popping in and actually 4525 04:01:19.399 --> 04:01:21.959 starting a bubble at this point. I'm not gonna lie 4526 04:01:22.000 --> 04:01:24.239 to you. Their people right now are starting to put 4527 04:01:24.319 --> 04:01:31.600 kids together. So yeah, right now overpriced, Yeah, they're way overpriced. 4528 04:01:31.600 --> 04:01:33.559 But that's what I mean though, is if you're if 4529 04:01:33.600 --> 04:01:36.879 you're a miner or you know, orbos, whatever it is, 4530 04:01:37.520 --> 04:01:40.920 start getting that ship posted because they're buying them up 4531 04:01:40.959 --> 04:01:43.280 cheaper and putting the kids together and sell them for 4532 04:01:43.360 --> 04:01:48.959 more for more. So I I got I fuck. I 4533 04:01:49.000 --> 04:01:56.760 think yesterday alone, just off of mining and doing quests, 4534 04:01:57.600 --> 04:02:02.440 my pre rec that my prerec quest us. Just yesterday alone, 4535 04:02:02.479 --> 04:02:05.159 I pulled off almost one hundred gold. So I mean 4536 04:02:05.360 --> 04:02:09.200 it's just they're they're buying the shit up quick too, 4537 04:02:10.399 --> 04:02:13.479 because I can't put a true silver deposit up without 4538 04:02:13.520 --> 04:02:17.120 it selling in fuck five minutes. 4539 04:02:18.799 --> 04:02:23.120 Sorry, I'm not guys. I will at this stage stay on, 4540 04:02:23.280 --> 04:02:26.120 but for the purposes of the podcast, guys, I will 4541 04:02:26.159 --> 04:02:28.399 wrap things up there. Thank you so much for listening 4542 04:02:28.440 --> 04:02:31.440 in everyone. If you want to see or hear more 4543 04:02:31.600 --> 04:02:35.159 of the Shenanigans of this Countdown crew, this is just 4544 04:02:35.200 --> 04:02:37.680 the first step in a long journey. Like I said, 4545 04:02:38.040 --> 04:02:41.360 we will keep you updated through regular podcast appearances. We 4546 04:02:41.440 --> 04:02:42.920 are going to have a lot of laughs, a lot 4547 04:02:42.920 --> 04:02:45.600 of back and forth, some roasting, some fun, some cheering, 4548 04:02:46.000 --> 04:02:52.079 all on the podcast. We are the only fucking guild 4549 04:02:51.719 --> 04:02:56.559 in World of Warcraft that has its own podcasts. All right, 4550 04:02:56.680 --> 04:02:59.280 so all of you guys here, thank you for being 4551 04:02:59.280 --> 04:03:03.319 part of something unique. I want the world to shout 4552 04:03:03.399 --> 04:03:08.239 your name and you know, cheer on your accomplishments. I 4553 04:03:08.280 --> 04:03:12.200 will throw up things on YouTube as I can weave 4554 04:03:12.200 --> 04:03:17.000 it into my timetable. The unedited raids will likely go 4555 04:03:17.159 --> 04:03:20.120 up on YouTube from the Saturday crew, and if I 4556 04:03:20.239 --> 04:03:23.360 have time, I'll put a condensed version of those raids 4557 04:03:23.440 --> 04:03:26.399 up if I have time. If anyone from the Friday 4558 04:03:26.440 --> 04:03:29.639 crew wants to record and post their things to YouTube, 4559 04:03:29.639 --> 04:03:33.079 that would be fucking amazing, but I totally understand if 4560 04:03:33.079 --> 04:03:37.000 no one has that set up. So everyone listening, thanks 4561 04:03:37.000 --> 04:03:41.079 for tuning in, and we will all count you you know, 4562 04:03:41.200 --> 04:03:44.760 speak to you next time on the podcast. Thanks guys, 4563 04:03:46.479 --> 04:03:49.799 And that's the countdown episode to say everyone, thank you 4564 04:03:50.040 --> 04:03:53.000 so much for listening to all of that. I know 4565 04:03:53.120 --> 04:03:56.559 it's a little weird just publicizing a guild meeting, and 4566 04:03:56.600 --> 04:03:59.559 you know you heard me bumbling and fumbling my way 4567 04:03:59.600 --> 04:04:02.399 through decisions. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing 4568 04:04:02.760 --> 04:04:06.280 but I'm trying, so come with this, Come with me 4569 04:04:06.399 --> 04:04:09.600 on this journey of me trying to do this. It'll 4570 04:04:09.639 --> 04:04:12.360 be a bit of fun, okay. But all of this 4571 04:04:12.440 --> 04:04:15.639 couldn't happen without the support the financial support of the 4572 04:04:15.680 --> 04:04:19.639 following amazing patrons who I love so much. Thank you 4573 04:04:19.680 --> 04:04:25.479 so much. Flozy, B vucker Ham, Croxford, Odd k honey Bee, 4574 04:04:25.559 --> 04:04:30.360 Grimois Plays all the Mighty Doloman, Jaron H. Todd p 4575 04:04:30.920 --> 04:04:33.760 You are all the best. I love you so much. 4576 04:04:34.040 --> 04:04:35.959 And to all the five dollars, two dollars and one 4577 04:04:35.959 --> 04:04:38.840 dollar patrons, thank you so much as well. You literally 4578 04:04:38.959 --> 04:04:41.639 keep this show in the air. I'd stop fucking tomorrow 4579 04:04:41.760 --> 04:04:46.479 if all the financial support disappeared. Guys, I love you all. 4580 04:04:46.600 --> 04:04:48.360 I want you all to go out and have the 4581 04:04:48.399 --> 04:04:51.799 best time in pre Patch drops in ten days, play 4582 04:04:51.840 --> 04:04:54.959 the PTR, pick your class, roll it and level it 4583 04:04:55.040 --> 04:04:58.319 on pre Patch, or you do your boost if you 4584 04:04:58.399 --> 04:05:00.959 want to, and then I'm sure sure the Dark Portal 4585 04:05:00.959 --> 04:05:03.639 will not be far away from that. We're getting very 4586 04:05:03.680 --> 04:05:06.639 close to having a boatload of fun. Come meet the countdown, Sacrew. 4587 04:05:07.000 --> 04:05:08.959 If you're not in the Discord and you're still listening 4588 04:05:08.959 --> 04:05:11.319 to the show, what the fucking you're doing. Get in 4589 04:05:11.360 --> 04:05:13.680 there and meet us and come chat to us. I 4590 04:05:13.719 --> 04:05:33.239 love you all, I'll see you all on the next episode.