Speaker 1: What's up, bardy people, and welcome to Countdowns a Classic
Speaker 1: where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Countdown the Classic. It's
Speaker 1: so wonderful to have you all here, and a really,
Speaker 1: really fun one for you today, guys, because we've got
Speaker 1: the first official Countdown guild meeting recorded and published for
Speaker 1: the purposes of the podcast.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I know it might seem a little odd. It's like, Josh,
Speaker 1: why the fuck wouldn't if we all want to listen
Speaker 1: into your guild meeting, Come on, man, we want to
Speaker 1: hear about you know, in depth hardcore TVC chat and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But I just thought this was something unique.
Speaker 1: And it's not like we don't talk TBC during the
Speaker 1: guild meeting, but I wanted to give you guys a
Speaker 1: fly on the wall. Look at me as a first
Speaker 1: time ever, you know, serious guild leader trying to learn
Speaker 1: on the fly. You'll hear me, you know, saying dumb things,
Speaker 1: making all the mistakes, and you'll roll your eyes and go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe this guy is trying
Speaker 1: to lead a guild. But it's a really you know,
Speaker 1: fun journey for me to try and learn and to
Speaker 1: try to manage, you know, a couple of raid teams
Speaker 1: and to help them get to where they want to
Speaker 1: be in TBC, and more importantly, just make sure that
Speaker 1: everyone has a good time and manage the social environment
Speaker 1: so that everyone feels comfortable and is happy that they're
Speaker 1: playing with So that's why I thought, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: just do it for the podcast. We'll have these meetings
Speaker 1: every now and again, throw it on the show and hopefully,
Speaker 1: you know, guys get back to me. You get a
Speaker 1: kick out of it as a listener. So before we
Speaker 1: get to the guild meeting, I am going to sit
Speaker 1: here and just do a little bit of an opening
Speaker 1: diatribe for you about a bunch of thoughts of mine
Speaker 1: loosely flying everywhere about TBC anniversary. So I'll give you
Speaker 1: a bit of TBC chat, you know, for you guys
Speaker 1: who are maybe like, ugh, guild meeting yawn, But no,
Speaker 1: trust me, give the guild meeting a chance. It's actually
Speaker 1: quite funny and you will enjoy it. But just before
Speaker 1: we get there, I've been playing the hell out of
Speaker 1: the PTR and I would highly encourage all of you
Speaker 1: with you know, maybe a week's worth of PTR left
Speaker 1: to do the same thing I've really been, you know,
Speaker 1: smashing the point to the countdown people, Please jump on PTR,
Speaker 1: download the classic era PTR, make sure your account is
Speaker 1: flagged as a PTR user, or whatever you have to
Speaker 1: do to enable you to log on. We had one
Speaker 1: or two people trip up on that and just create
Speaker 1: seventies and go out and kill mobs in Shadow Moon
Speaker 1: Valley or whatever in your blues or in your Tier
Speaker 1: four biss sits up to you and just get a
Speaker 1: feel for classes and specs. It has helped me immensely.
Speaker 1: If I didn't have this PTR, I'd have no idea
Speaker 1: what I want to play. I mean, obviously, because it's me,
Speaker 1: I still have no idea what I want to play.
Speaker 1: I mostly do, but like it's just it's really helped
Speaker 1: rule things out first and foremost, and just you know,
Speaker 1: let me get a feel for classes I ordinarily never
Speaker 1: would have gotten to touch. So that's been fantastic. A
Speaker 1: bunch of the Countdown people have helped out over the
Speaker 1: last two weeks doing heroics here and there. We haven't
Speaker 1: done a boatload of them, but we've done enough for
Speaker 1: people to go yep, that confirms I definitely want to
Speaker 1: play this class in TBC or there's no fucking way
Speaker 1: I'm playing this class in TBC. It's been fantastic, so
Speaker 1: do that first and foremost. But I wanted to walk
Speaker 1: and talk you through the loose thoughts I've had as
Speaker 1: I've tried all the classes. Now, this is not a
Speaker 1: class guide for you undecideds out there. This is you know,
Speaker 1: me really giving my individual thoughts and tastes to how
Speaker 1: I feel about the classes. You may share some of them,
Speaker 1: but you know, if I knock the class that you
Speaker 1: love over the next ten minutes, don't like take it personally,
Speaker 1: or don't be turned off by it, please try it yourself,
Speaker 1: because it truly is horses for courses. Different people like
Speaker 1: different things. You know, I might yuck, you'r yum. If
Speaker 1: you you know absolutely adore. Let's say, for example, Hunter,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm very mid on it, then still
Speaker 1: go out and roll Hunter. They're amazing. They pump and
Speaker 1: if you like that play style, go nuts. You'll have
Speaker 1: a blastom TBC. Just because I'm about to say some
Speaker 1: things that I'm like eh on it doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: should affect your decision. Obviously that should go without saying so, guys,
Speaker 1: I basically sort of am locked into the Warrior. Now
Speaker 1: this will be making a lot of you laugh already,
Speaker 1: because I've gone from you know, Warrior to Rogue to
Speaker 1: Warlock to Mage back to Warrior. And if some of
Speaker 1: your Discord users were paying attention, you'll obviously see that
Speaker 1: I initially locked myself into the Ray team as a
Speaker 1: mage because I thought I didn't like majors, and then
Speaker 1: lo and behold, I tried them out on the PTR
Speaker 1: and I actually quite liked the Mate to the point
Speaker 1: that I was like, screw it, I'll play a Mage.
Speaker 1: But then a funny thing happened and a lot of
Speaker 1: majors signed up to the two Raid teams, and I thought,
Speaker 1: all right, look, I don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just add to the sea of
Speaker 1: majors when I am reasonably flexible on class, I'm happy
Speaker 1: to play a class that's a bit more you know,
Speaker 1: adds a bit more flexibility to the guild via dual
Speaker 1: roles in the Warrior. It's not like, you know, I
Speaker 1: love DPS Warrior. You know, I'm happy to tank occasionally,
Speaker 1: you know, not be my one fear with the Warrior.
Speaker 1: And I know this is going to make people laugh,
Speaker 1: but I said to a bunch of guys in voice
Speaker 1: chat over the last few weeks, I'm like, my greatest
Speaker 1: fear with Warrior is that you play a tank role
Speaker 1: and there is such an immense tank shortage in TBC,
Speaker 1: you for all intents and purposes, become a tank because
Speaker 1: there's just no one else. And you go from a
Speaker 1: guy who was willing to help out and tank occasionally
Speaker 1: when the guild can't find anyone else to all of
Speaker 1: a sudden always being the only tank fucker online and available.
Speaker 1: And you're all of a sudden just playing a role
Speaker 1: that you don't particularly have fun with, but we're willing
Speaker 1: to be helpful with. And look, I think I can
Speaker 1: do enough to manage not to have that happen. But
Speaker 1: it's it's it's funny because of the whole committed to
Speaker 1: DPS meme. I'm not trying to be that Warrior obviously.
Speaker 1: Like I say, I'm putting my hand up and going
Speaker 1: I love to try a prop warrior every now and
Speaker 1: again in a TBC heroic Let's then fuck it. I'll
Speaker 1: take a few Karazans if the opportunity presents itself. But
Speaker 1: I don't want to become the guy that, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden is doing it more than you know, even
Speaker 1: fucking thirty percent of the time. You know, if I'm
Speaker 1: doing it half the time, I'd kind of be like, ugh.
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll just wait and see what happens there.
Speaker 1: But guys, for all of you who are warrior curious,
Speaker 1: look Fury Warrior and you know, to somewhat of a
Speaker 1: lesser extent, Kebbab Warrior, which is the dual wheeled armspeck
Speaker 1: feels fantastic in TBC. It really really does. My only
Speaker 1: knock on it, which is gonna make you lifelong warriors laugh.
Speaker 1: But my only knock on the fantastic play style of
Speaker 1: Fury Warrior and TBC is you tend to just be
Speaker 1: swimming in rage. I mean, that's the whole idea of
Speaker 1: the spec. I understand that your fury, you accumulate rage
Speaker 1: at a higher rate than other warriors, but you get
Speaker 1: so much of it. I'm pressing heroic strike and cleave
Speaker 1: at a higher rate than I'm comfortable with in a way,
Speaker 1: and you start to see that rage build up and
Speaker 1: you really feel guilty for having it sit there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm smashing my cleve cleave, heroic strike, heroic
Speaker 1: strike cleve, you know, depending if your single target or AoE,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it just doesn't fucking go down, and you
Speaker 1: feel really bad, like, oh, oh no, I'm sorry? Am
Speaker 1: I a bad warrior? And you know, as I say,
Speaker 1: you lifelong warriors will be laughing and saying yes, but
Speaker 1: you sit there and get the self doubt going. Am
Speaker 1: I doing it wrong? Because I constantly have too much
Speaker 1: rage even though I can't do anything more. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: flushing all of my abilities as soon as I get them.
Speaker 1: I don't know what more to do, So it's a
Speaker 1: it's a little like oddly stressful in that way. So
Speaker 1: maybe either you warriors will give me tips to rage
Speaker 1: dump in better fashion, or the advice might be no, Josh,
Speaker 1: that is literally just the lifestyle. Don't feel bad for
Speaker 1: having a near to full rage bar. If you can't
Speaker 1: get rid of it, you can't get rid of it.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I'll learn to to how I'll learn how
Speaker 1: to drive the warrior better as I spend more time
Speaker 1: with it. But outside of that, look, I must admit
Speaker 1: I am super intrigued by the kebabspeck, you know, as
Speaker 1: if you don't know it. Basically you drive it like
Speaker 1: a few Warrior, but you spec arms and you you willed.
Speaker 1: It's a spec that came to prominence through TBC Classic
Speaker 1: four years ago. I am intrigued by it, but I
Speaker 1: did try it out on the PTR and I'm not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent sold on it yet, but I will
Speaker 1: play it more and see if I grow to love it.
Speaker 1: If I love it, I'll just switch and play Kebab.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm still a bit like very on the fence
Speaker 1: about it because it's I think people would say, well, Josh,
Speaker 1: you know, if you feel like you're swimming in rage
Speaker 1: and the button mashing a Fury doesn't suit you, absolutely
Speaker 1: play Kebab spec because I think theory wise, you get
Speaker 1: you know, the same output, if not slightly more with
Speaker 1: Kebab and you're not, you know, furiously spamming your buttons
Speaker 1: as often because you don't have the rage flowing through
Speaker 1: as quickly as you.
Speaker 3: Do with Fury.
Speaker 1: So look, if that's the case, I'll give it more
Speaker 1: of a look. But I'll just say, and this is
Speaker 1: only obviously it's different to rating, so who knows but
Speaker 1: out in the open world, it it felt slower, to
Speaker 1: the point that ability wise, I felt like I was
Speaker 1: trudging through the mud like I love Fury in the
Speaker 1: open world because it's just bam bam, GCD GCD no
Speaker 1: GCD left behind your fucking even though you've got, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: the six second cool down of Bloodthirst and ten second
Speaker 1: cool down of Heroic Strike. Sorry of nine second cool
Speaker 1: down of Whirlwind, and you use heroic strikes when you can.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pushing my buttons on a very
Speaker 1: regular basis on the Fury Warrior. On the Kebab Warrior,
Speaker 1: I just felt like there were reasonably long pauses between
Speaker 1: button presses, which is I know I'm sending mixed messages
Speaker 1: here because it's like, fuck, Josh, which one do you want?
Speaker 1: Do you want a high APM or do you want
Speaker 1: low PM low APM? Pick one? And I guess I
Speaker 1: just want that sweet, squishy middle ground. But I will
Speaker 1: continue to check it out and see how I go.
Speaker 1: But guys, Warrior is a BLASTDPS Warriors an absolute blast.
Speaker 1: He's so fun in dungeons, you know. I repeatedly said
Speaker 1: to people that this goes without saying to World of
Speaker 1: Warcraft veterans. But you know, Vanilla and TBC, you know,
Speaker 1: the Moniker of the game. It might as well be
Speaker 1: called you know, threat the video game, because that's pretty
Speaker 1: much what you've got to look out for, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, doubly so in your TBC and your heroics,
Speaker 1: where it's just look literally, just manage your threat and
Speaker 1: you win. That is it. If all five of these
Speaker 1: people are able to successfully manage threat and not necessarily
Speaker 1: shoot their wads straight away, but also still do good
Speaker 1: damage while being responsible, then you will win the dungeon
Speaker 1: and you won't get wiped and all of that shit.
Speaker 1: So you know, as much as you you know, I
Speaker 1: whirlwind and sweeping strikes feels fucking amazing. You know, it's
Speaker 1: fun in a way just to know the right time
Speaker 1: to hit it, because you've got to keep your dick
Speaker 1: in your pants slightly. You know, I can't necessarily charge
Speaker 1: in straight away and first GCD instantly well wind after
Speaker 1: the tank has only used one ability. Like, I know
Speaker 1: you've obviously got your paladins with consecrate and whatnot, but
Speaker 1: I think it's still while I'm getting the hang of it,
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of like you know, maybe you just
Speaker 1: wait three seconds before you use that first fucking whirlwind,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Maybe you do open with
Speaker 1: the mortal strike on sorry, the bloodthirst on the skull target.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, then do your sweeping strikes and whirl
Speaker 1: wind while there's four or five mobs up and you
Speaker 1: know they won't all turn on you instantly and one
Speaker 1: shot you and then you fucking you know, give to
Speaker 1: your your group and they may well wipe without your
Speaker 1: DPS who knows. So that that's you know, as healers
Speaker 1: have to manage their manner and that's a fun little,
Speaker 1: you know, side element of the game. DPS has to
Speaker 1: manage their threat and that is that is fun to me.
Speaker 1: I like that little mini game of you know, knowing
Speaker 1: when to hold them and knowing when to fold them,
Speaker 1: I guess is the way to do it. But so
Speaker 1: prod Warrior. Look, I'll say, guys, that I said on
Speaker 1: the show as well. I really we've been talking a
Speaker 1: littlebout a little bit about this invoice with the guild
Speaker 1: as well, and it is to me, it's it's a
Speaker 1: matter of fairness, if that makes sense. With the tanks
Speaker 1: in this game, it seems a bit unfair. And this
Speaker 1: is as Laz put it really well the other day,
Speaker 1: where it's like you don't have to make all the
Speaker 1: tanks homogeneous, you don't have to also have like the
Speaker 1: AoE tank and the single target tank. There's a huge
Speaker 1: middle ground of nuance there. But like the more glaring
Speaker 1: aspect of TBC is how it just seems like unfair
Speaker 1: mainly with heroics is what we're talking here. The druids
Speaker 1: and warriors really have such a vastly different experience in
Speaker 1: heroic dungeons and paladins in terms of like effort and
Speaker 1: and you know, as Green put it the other day,
Speaker 1: like he was playing a bear tank and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, mashing his buttons, tab targeting everything, fucking eying
Speaker 1: hell for leather. And I'm like, oh, mate, you're really
Speaker 1: fighting for your life over there, and he goes, mate,
Speaker 1: I'm not fighting for my life. I'm fighting for your
Speaker 1: lives and I'm fucking sweating doing it. And he was
Speaker 1: just like, you know, shocked at like how hard the
Speaker 1: Druid had to work to keep agro on like a
Speaker 1: four or five pack. And obviously a lot of you
Speaker 1: guys will say, well, Josh, that's the point CC is
Speaker 1: king in heroics. You didn't have a mage, you could
Speaker 1: have knocked one of those mobs out and it would
Speaker 1: have been a vastly easier pull. That's all true. I
Speaker 1: completely agree. I love that CC is back in TBC,
Speaker 1: and that must be lent on and planned around accordingly.
Speaker 1: But just in general, in terms of the stress and
Speaker 1: higher APM of the prop warrior and the feral druid,
Speaker 1: it does feel bad when they look at their Paladin
Speaker 1: tank brothers or sisters and they see the Paladin tank
Speaker 1: stroll up to the pack, cigarette hanging loosely out of
Speaker 1: their mouths. They press you know, their fucking uh multi
Speaker 1: target ranged AOI, you know damage dealing ability, which is
Speaker 1: effectively a group taunt in their their avenger shield, and
Speaker 1: then they get to fucking slowly mosey on up and
Speaker 1: take a few more steps towards the pack and just
Speaker 1: press one button and drop their consecrate and that's job done,
Speaker 1: and any fucking idiot can do it, and so it's
Speaker 1: it's this is not a rant about oh, it's unfair
Speaker 1: that Paladins get to AOI tank and UH warriors and
Speaker 1: drew and rowers warriors are more the single target tank
Speaker 1: and drewids or something in between. It's more the ease
Speaker 1: with which it's all done. And paladins get to fucking
Speaker 1: watch Netflix and chill, and warriors and druids are in
Speaker 1: the middle of fucking dnang, you know, having PTSD just
Speaker 1: stressed and smashing their keyboards. It's and I felt that
Speaker 1: when I try my Pro Warrior, I was like, look,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it stressful to the point it wasn't fun.
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, I think, you know, this isn't that stressful.
Speaker 1: I'm being maybe slightly hyperbolic and milodramatic here, but I
Speaker 1: noticeably was working quite hard. And it's not that it
Speaker 1: wasn't fun, but I was obviously sitting there going this
Speaker 1: could be more fun, Like it just just removed twenty
Speaker 1: percent of my key smashing, and this could be more fun.
Speaker 1: But having said that, look, I still enjoy the Pro
Speaker 1: Warrior every now and again in small doses. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. If I did it for a fucking living,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I I can't do this so for
Speaker 1: a prolonged period of time, But that's me. Okay, So
Speaker 1: moving on to some other classes, guys, I won't spend
Speaker 1: the same amount of time on every class. But this
Speaker 1: is just a rough like I said, off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, not a class picking guide for you.
Speaker 1: But this is me verbalizing what my class picking guide
Speaker 1: and choices have been. Like I said, I loved the
Speaker 1: ma age, love the Mage. I have historically hated majors
Speaker 1: in Wow, you guys, never hear me talk about mage,
Speaker 1: never play one. Don't like them. Fuck off, They're weird,
Speaker 1: don't not into it. Okay, Because I was in the
Speaker 1: spirit of trying everything through this PTR, I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck it, all right, fine, I'll even try a mage.
Speaker 1: I was shocked how much I liked it. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'd be happy to have this discussion on the
Speaker 1: podcast with everyone, you know. But I don't think there
Speaker 1: is a larger dopamine hit in the game than a
Speaker 1: frost Bolt icelants combo on a frost Nova target getting
Speaker 1: that double shatter effect and like, you know, even better
Speaker 1: seeing both of them create, but squeezing those two abilities
Speaker 1: into the one kind of batched window and seeing the
Speaker 1: shatter effects be applied to both And I don't know,
Speaker 1: just nothing tickled me better than just hitting my CC button.
Speaker 1: You know which is. You know, I've got the same
Speaker 1: button for depending on whatever class I play, you know, Frost, Nova, fear,
Speaker 1: fucking hamstring, whatever it is. I pop them all on seven,
Speaker 1: hitting my number seven button, getting that frost and over
Speaker 1: off and just going your ass is fucking grass, moving
Speaker 1: five yards away out of malay range and just ce
Speaker 1: queuing up that fucking huge like dragon ball Z esque
Speaker 1: frostball and going this is gonna hurt, and then hitting
Speaker 1: the icelands as soon as the cast finishes it. It
Speaker 1: feels really good. I'd love to know from you, guys,
Speaker 1: what abilities you feel is in that S plus tier
Speaker 1: of dopamine, What feels the best? What's the best combo
Speaker 1: or button to press in TBC world of Warcraft? You
Speaker 1: know some of you might say something like a fucking
Speaker 1: I don't know what's another good one. You'll think of it.
Speaker 1: You'll think of it and send them to me. But
Speaker 1: I really liked it. I've never pvp'd on a mage,
Speaker 1: so I was slightly I watched a shitload of major
Speaker 1: PvP videos and I know the skill floor is incredibly high. Guys.
Speaker 1: No one is watching more TBC content or read more
Speaker 1: about TBC over the last month than me. I'll fucking
Speaker 1: take the PEPSI challenge against all of you. That's not
Speaker 1: to say I now know everything about TBC. I don't,
Speaker 1: but I'm far more educated about it than I was before,
Speaker 1: and I've got a pretty good lay of the land
Speaker 1: on a bunch of things. So I watched a shitload
Speaker 1: of majeed to PvP videos and I was like, yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I can see the high skill floor. But a part
Speaker 1: of me wants to say I could do half of
Speaker 1: this shit, Like I don't know that i'd necessarily have
Speaker 1: a terrible time. Like I know that everyone goes like, oh,
Speaker 1: be wary of mage they're a little bit hard to
Speaker 1: drive in PvP, but nobody really says, oh, fuck me,
Speaker 1: don't play a mage mate. They're only for the experts.
Speaker 1: You'll have a horrible time if you're ordinary at PvP
Speaker 1: on a mage. Now, I have seen a couple of
Speaker 1: you say, you know, I am bad at PvP, and
Speaker 1: I was beyond god awful on a mage. Like it
Speaker 1: truly punishes the bad players. I don't doubt that, but
Speaker 1: I think there's still probably fun to be had, like
Speaker 1: even if you're getting your ass kicks. Like I said,
Speaker 1: if you can just rip off that fucking shatter combo
Speaker 1: every now and again, that'd be enough dover for me
Speaker 1: to be like, yep, I, you know, got ten honorabill
Speaker 1: kills and died twenty fucking times, but I had a blast.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe, but you know, the arena aspect
Speaker 1: is a different story. I think I'd get my fucking
Speaker 1: shit pushed in in an arena as a mage. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was one that the unknown of how I'd enjoy
Speaker 1: or go with major PBP put a bit of a
Speaker 1: question mark over it. I might love it, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I'd not really like. Of course, you can say, Josh,
Speaker 1: you can play Arcane or Fire in PvP, no interest.
Speaker 1: I'm all about that Frost life. And to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, to be blatantly honest with you, if Frost
Speaker 1: did decent raid damage in TBC, I'd probably be playing
Speaker 1: the Frost Mage over the Fury Warrior, but they don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not as in love with Arcane, you know, even
Speaker 1: though for all intents and purposes you're doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just it's I really, here's here's
Speaker 1: what I wish, and I understand. I understand why it's
Speaker 1: not a thing, but I really wish that your shatter
Speaker 1: You're sorry, your frost nova or your freezing effects weren't
Speaker 1: taken away by the damage of other players in dungeons.
Speaker 1: So like if I, you know, throw out a frost
Speaker 1: bolt and I get my fifteen percent PROC on a
Speaker 1: freeze because I've got my three talent points there, and
Speaker 1: then I want to do my shatterw wombo combo on
Speaker 1: a mob in a pack in a heroic dungeon, that
Speaker 1: would feel really good. Now, I understand you can still
Speaker 1: do that, you know, if you're hitting the target that's
Speaker 1: not being focused still whatever, But for the most part,
Speaker 1: you don't get many opportunities to get your shatter combo
Speaker 1: off in a TBC heroic dungeon or in dungeons in
Speaker 1: general as a frost age. But it feels really, really good,
Speaker 1: Like I said, in doing so so like it's too
Speaker 1: tough because it would obviously it would fucking ruin. You
Speaker 1: couldn't have it in PvP. You can't have someone just
Speaker 1: rooted to the ground and damage doesn't break the effect
Speaker 1: unless it comes from the mage. That's ridiculous. But it
Speaker 1: would be really fun to see somehow that work in
Speaker 1: a PVEE environment where the frost mage could still confidently
Speaker 1: take shatter and be like, baby, I'm frost and I'm
Speaker 1: here you to fucking you know, rocks and faces. That'd
Speaker 1: be great, but alas that's not the case, and so
Speaker 1: you know, I still find mage in incredibly ten out
Speaker 1: of ten fun in dungeons. It's so fun being that
Speaker 1: guy that can save everyone. Having your improved blizzard one
Speaker 1: of the again, one of the even though I understand
Speaker 1: that arcane explosion is the better AoE spell over blizzard,
Speaker 1: you know, in TBC, it still feels really good hitting blizzard,
Speaker 1: depending what's going on. Obviously, you want to hit your
Speaker 1: blizzard if your tank is going to ask you to
Speaker 1: kite the mobs around for him, but if there's no
Speaker 1: need to. My understanding is generally you want to be
Speaker 1: hitting arcane explosion because it can pump. So look, the
Speaker 1: AoE feels amazing saving people. You know, if a mob
Speaker 1: b lines it to your healer and you get off
Speaker 1: that clutch frost nova to buy them a few seconds,
Speaker 1: so you tank and then taunt, it feels really good
Speaker 1: as a mage, you know, Marcus told us all this
Speaker 1: many times on the podcast before. It feels really good
Speaker 1: being the superhero of the group and pulling out all
Speaker 1: the tricks from your utility belt and being like, don't worry, guys,
Speaker 1: I've got this. I'm the Mage. It feels fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: I may well have a mage alt, we shall see.
Speaker 1: But if you are all, if you're just going to
Speaker 1: be spamming dungeons in TBC for fox sake, player Mage,
Speaker 1: your group will love you. That sheep is critical in heroics,
Speaker 1: but more importantly, they're funder play. They're just fucking fund
Speaker 1: to play. It's not just about crowd control. It's actually
Speaker 1: fun to play. I don't have as much love for Fire,
Speaker 1: even though I would happily, you know, do the fire.
Speaker 1: And I don't have as much love for Arcane. And
Speaker 1: I'll say this much. What I noticed was if you
Speaker 1: only have one character and you're just going out and
Speaker 1: farming gold, killing mobs on the one character you don't
Speaker 1: have olts, it feels bad man being arcane in the
Speaker 1: open world. I understand no one would ever level as arcane,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about the situation where Okay, I'm a
Speaker 1: major at seventy and I've got Juel Speck, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to spend any more gold ever respecing. I
Speaker 1: just want to pick two specs and sit on them
Speaker 1: for the rest of my fucking life. I've got my
Speaker 1: PvP Speck and my PV Spec. But if you're rating
Speaker 1: and you've got your PV spec, you're probably going to
Speaker 1: be arcane. And if you then need to go out
Speaker 1: and farm in the open world in that rating spec,
Speaker 1: it's just to me, it doesn't feel good. You've just
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I know there's ways around it,
Speaker 1: but you've just got mobs on you. You've got pushback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you've still got your frost and over and
Speaker 1: every thing, But like arcane Mage is just getting slapped
Speaker 1: in the face in the open world. You're not killing things,
Speaker 1: you know, as quickly as you'd probably like, or it's
Speaker 1: just more annoying doing so. And the whole time I
Speaker 1: was killing things as an arcane mage A's seventy I was.
Speaker 1: It's like, I just wish I was fucking frost. This
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. But then your frost bill doesn't work well
Speaker 1: in the raid, so it's kind of damned if you do,
Speaker 1: or damned if you don't. That was a bit of
Speaker 1: a bummer about the mage for me. If you guys
Speaker 1: have any feedback feedback on that, I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: it again. Guys, I am not the expert on any
Speaker 1: of this stuff. I'm just a fucking average punter giving
Speaker 1: you my thoughts and notes through extensive testing on the PTR.
Speaker 1: Moving on to Warlock Love Warlock, Warlock's fantastic. My hot
Speaker 1: take on Warlock is that I really love Demonology. I
Speaker 1: know it's not like the Sexy Speck. I know everyone
Speaker 1: wants to go destro, you know, in the alternative to destro,
Speaker 1: every raid might want that one affliction lock, you know, PvE.
Speaker 1: I don't know if people will be scoffing the Demonology lock,
Speaker 1: even though I think they still do very decent damage.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of fun to play. To me,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed working the fell Guard. The fell Guard
Speaker 1: is quite powerful. I enjoyed more importantly having, you know,
Speaker 1: and this is not a secret, still having a rotation
Speaker 1: as a Warlock. You know, the destruction doesn't quite give
Speaker 1: you that flexibility. You know, everyone knows. The meme about
Speaker 1: TBC is the destro Warlock pumps and they just spam
Speaker 1: shadow Bolt. Demonology does less damage, but at least they
Speaker 1: get to think about their rotation and still cast general
Speaker 1: Warlock spells. It's great, get your dots out there. Do
Speaker 1: you think manage your pet?
Speaker 4: You're a Warlock?
Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? I enjoyed that. That was fun to me.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows, but I'm just repeating it. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're going for the you know, fun per second spec,
Speaker 1: it's Demonology, straight up, no questions asked. It is far
Speaker 1: more fun than affliction and destruction in my mind. But
Speaker 1: some people like big numbers. They'll say, Josh, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: Destro is the most fun spec because look at all
Speaker 1: that damage that you're doing. Horses for courses you do,
Speaker 1: you boo. But I also one other thing that never, never,
Speaker 1: never gets talked about with demonology that I really liked.
Speaker 1: And again this talking to people who would be considering
Speaker 1: farming gold on their Warlock. If it's you know, the
Speaker 1: one with no olts or whatever, you never fucking run
Speaker 1: out of manner. And I don't mean because of life
Speaker 1: tap you never have, like you barely, you'd never have
Speaker 1: to life tap, which I really don't like the life
Speaker 1: tap lifestyle of warlock. My one knock on Warlock is
Speaker 1: I'm so so bitterly uncomfortable playing a class that is
Speaker 1: constantly at thirty to fifty percent health, where whether it's
Speaker 1: PvP or PvE, I know I've got ways to get
Speaker 1: that health back. And that's the whole josh. That's literally
Speaker 1: how the class was designed. It's it's give life, take life,
Speaker 1: risk reward. You can don't worry if you're half health.
Speaker 1: You just fucking drain life and your helstone and you're
Speaker 1: back to gold. Baby. I'm still uncomfortable with it. I
Speaker 1: don't like rolling around and pulling anything with low health,
Speaker 1: but Warlock kind of somewhat demands that of you. But
Speaker 1: with the demonology spec I was rolling around with a
Speaker 1: speck that still took to improved drained soul for that
Speaker 1: man of kickback at the end. And you know, again,
Speaker 1: I'm not reinventing the wheel here. A lot of you
Speaker 1: will already know this, But what I like to do
Speaker 1: on my demonology Warlock, when I'm purely out there mowing
Speaker 1: down mobs and farming gold in the open world, when
Speaker 1: you set up shop for an hour and go right,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to grind some mobs mindlessly watch a
Speaker 1: movie and fucking you know, get some gold here. I
Speaker 1: really really enjoyed sending the pet in opening up with
Speaker 1: an immolate you know your time it, so you get
Speaker 1: it either just before the pet hits it and taunts
Speaker 1: the mob, or you know, just after the pet hits it.
Speaker 1: Get your immlaid out there. I then would I went
Speaker 1: also in a weird build. You guys might think this
Speaker 1: is funny. I went down to shadow burn in the
Speaker 1: Destruction Tree and you know, drain soul in the Affliction
Speaker 1: Tree and the rest demonology, and I would go immolate
Speaker 1: shadow Bolt, shadow Burn, shadow Bolt, and while that last
Speaker 1: shadow Bolt goes out, you hit your drained soul button
Speaker 1: just so the drained soul is touching the mob when
Speaker 1: it dies, and it doesn't do any fucking damage, but
Speaker 1: you get your fifteen percent manner back or whatever. It
Speaker 1: was huge. So basically, for for four GCDs, not really
Speaker 1: counting the drain soul for four GCDs, the mob's dead
Speaker 1: and it virtually cost me no manner. It was incredibly
Speaker 1: efficient and I fucking loved it. I really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: You don't have the cast shadow burn on every mob
Speaker 1: of if it's awkward like you can just do you
Speaker 1: immolate three shadow bolts and it's dead. But you know,
Speaker 1: as I say, you just weave in that drain soul
Speaker 1: and the last as the last shadow bolt is flying
Speaker 1: towards the mob and you know it's going to kill it,
Speaker 1: and Bob's your uncle. You're done, got your manner, you know,
Speaker 1: refunded all your manner that you spent on killing the mob,
Speaker 1: and you're onto the next one. Incredibly fun and like
Speaker 1: I said, I enjoyed it in Dungeons, I enjoyed it
Speaker 1: open world. You can do sl SL in a different
Speaker 1: spec if you want a PvP. It's great fun. It
Speaker 1: really is great fun. So like that, I'm still I
Speaker 1: am tossing up what my ault now is going to be,
Speaker 1: and it is between Warlock, Mage, and Rogue, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's the same four classes, same three credit classes.
Speaker 1: Really I've been talking about the whole time, you guys know,
Speaker 1: over the last month, I've been Warrior, Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Rogue, Warlock,
Speaker 1: which one I'm going to do? Mage came in at
Speaker 1: the last second as a contender, and you know, if
Speaker 1: I have time for an ault, I'll just pick between
Speaker 1: those other ones. But yeah, Warlock feels fantastic. Guy again,
Speaker 1: you know, it feels incredibly helpful in dungeons. You time
Speaker 1: that seed of corruption right. Don't be the fuck weed
Speaker 1: who just lets the seeds fly straight away, all the
Speaker 1: damage goes out and four mobs run towards you and
Speaker 1: your fucking poor warrior or Drewid can't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: Hold your dicks, just time the seeds well and your pump.
Speaker 1: It feels really good. So yeah, I really am two
Speaker 1: thumbs up for Warlock. Like I said, it's just the
Speaker 1: one thing, my one weird hang up about, you know,
Speaker 1: low health and life tap and all that shit. But
Speaker 1: other than that, it's fantastic. So moving on to the rogue. So, guys,
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing I've got to say about
Speaker 1: rogue in TBC is I've talked to a few of
Speaker 1: you about this, and I'm I'm really sick already of
Speaker 1: how much rogues are getting dunked on all over again.
Speaker 1: And like, I know, all you meta fucking slaves are
Speaker 1: going to go, Yeah, whatever, Josh, you're a dickhead. If
Speaker 1: you think rogues are good for your raid, you're a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot. I'm not saying rogues are the best, but
Speaker 1: they are far from a class I would discriminate against.
Speaker 1: Like they're not doing no damage. You know, I just
Speaker 1: if I had two or three. I've got two rogues
Speaker 1: in my Raid. Okay, I don't care. I would take
Speaker 1: a third. I don't get I really don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: The guys do damage, it's fine, oh mate, they don't
Speaker 1: bring anything. They don't bring a buff. Yeah, okay, it's
Speaker 1: it's great. And look, my Raid, by fucking mostly accident,
Speaker 1: has somehow fallen into a relatively metacomp of like we've
Speaker 1: got ninety five percent of all the buffs and d
Speaker 1: buffs here, Like, fuck, that's amazing. That was not forced.
Speaker 1: I didn't be the Ogre guild leader who's like, right,
Speaker 1: everyone's going to play what I tell them to play,
Speaker 1: and that's it. You'll hear in this core coming up.
Speaker 1: I joke around. There is there is one person, poor Voodoo,
Speaker 1: who has been asked to change classes. But he did
Speaker 1: give me options. It's not like I forced him to
Speaker 1: play Shadow Priest. He said, look, mate, these are the
Speaker 1: three classes I would happily play. And I said, if
Speaker 1: you play Shadow Priest, that would be fucking amazing, and
Speaker 1: he goes done great. Cool. And we've had a couple
Speaker 1: of people who go, literally, I haven't picked a class.
Speaker 1: You tell me what will help the guild the most,
Speaker 1: and I'll play that. And I've had the benefit of
Speaker 1: saying to Ale, hey, Elemental Sharman, yep done, Hey, Hunk
Speaker 1: Resto Shaman, yep done great. Those three there was a
Speaker 1: little bit of choice done there. Outside of that, I
Speaker 1: accepted anyone who wanted to come to the Countdown Raid,
Speaker 1: no matter what you're playing. And a couple of guys
Speaker 1: have changed classes or speck since, but they weren't asked
Speaker 1: to do so. So we're kind of flooked our way
Speaker 1: into a metacomp. But in all honesty, I'm not fucking around.
Speaker 1: If we had stuck with like four hunters and three rogues,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give a shit. They do damage. I don't
Speaker 1: care about. Oh, we don't have everybuff and d buff
Speaker 1: in the game. Mate. If you need all those buffs
Speaker 1: and de buffs to clear post Nerve Carra, I'll fucking
Speaker 1: pray for you, brother, I'll pray for you. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: not the points, not that we couldn't clear, it's that
Speaker 1: we clear it faster, mate. If that extra five minutes
Speaker 1: in Kazan means that much to you, again, I'll pray
Speaker 1: for you, brother, Like fuck me dead, guys, Just get
Speaker 1: over it. It's the third time through TBC. Fucking just
Speaker 1: I'm sick of this shit. I'm so sick of it.
Speaker 1: Rogues are fine, but more importantly, they're funderplay. I really,
Speaker 1: really really enjoyed just plowing through things, leveling and killing
Speaker 1: things at seventy on my combat rogue feels really good.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic, like Subtlety slightly less. Didn't really feel it
Speaker 1: with Assassination. Obviously, they're not really PV specs. You'll just
Speaker 1: be doing Subtlety for PvP. More than likely you can
Speaker 1: fuck around with mutil aid if you like, but you
Speaker 1: know you most rogues will be combat for PV and
Speaker 1: Subtlety for PvP. Subtlety obviously feels great in PvP, not
Speaker 1: so great in PVEE. Combat feels great in PvE not
Speaker 1: so great in PvP. It's just it's a lot of fun, guys.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, no reason not to. I understand
Speaker 1: that if you don't have a guilt and you're worried
Speaker 1: about playing Rogue that people will judge you for it.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and tell you they won't.
Speaker 1: They will, They absolutely will. It's the stigma is out there.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to fight it. I think it's fucked how
Speaker 1: rough of a ride Rogues get through TBC. I think
Speaker 1: it's really really unfair, to the point that I floated
Speaker 1: on the podcast the other day, Like you know, Alter,
Speaker 1: I would even put it on Blizzard to step in
Speaker 1: at the point at this point and do something for
Speaker 1: Rogues to make everyone stop spitting on them in fucking
Speaker 1: this expansion. A few of you guys you know, didn't
Speaker 1: like that thought, but like I'm just saying, in a
Speaker 1: classic plus, you would all vomit if I said to you, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: how bad we have one class that fucking nobody wants
Speaker 1: in PvE. You'd be like, no, Josh, that's a fucking
Speaker 1: terrible idea. That's bad game design. Don't do that. But
Speaker 1: then when I suggest changing Rogues and TBC, people.
Speaker 5: Go, no, no, leave it as it is.
Speaker 1: Oh, fuck, can't win here, can we? But yeah, look, guys,
Speaker 1: be brave and play Rogue. If you love it, love
Speaker 1: will find a way. But you know you you will
Speaker 1: get a lot of h Unfortunately, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: It's not misinformed community stigma, because they are informed, but
Speaker 1: they just care too much about it. And I think that,
Speaker 1: like I say, rogues, their DPS gets looked at as
Speaker 1: though it's zero when it fucking ats zero. It's it's decent, baby,
Speaker 1: it is decent. And I know a lot of you
Speaker 1: be saying, Josh, you haven't said exposed armor. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: exposed armor thing as well. Okay, look, guys, moving on
Speaker 1: to Hunters. Look, I gave the Hunter. I've said for
Speaker 1: years now, every Hunter post Vanilla is an abomination. In
Speaker 1: my mind, I think it's not fun. It's terrible what
Speaker 1: they did with the rotation, the play style of the
Speaker 1: steady shot Spam needs to die in a fire. I
Speaker 1: think it's ridiculous they Look what they did to my
Speaker 1: boy from Vanilla. One of the most fun classes from
Speaker 1: Vanilla just gets butchered immediately from the second from the
Speaker 1: first expansion onwards. I tried it a bit more like
Speaker 1: the Mage, even though I have my prejudices. I tried
Speaker 1: it again, and look, I'll give you this much, Hunters.
Speaker 1: It is more fun than I remember. However, there's still
Speaker 1: just that certain gin to say, wow, I can't put
Speaker 1: my finger on this is something holding me back from
Speaker 1: falling fully falling in love with the Hunter. I really
Speaker 1: really liked it, don't get me wrong, sat there with
Speaker 1: my beast Master Hunter did my steady shot spam and went, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, actually this is okay. But I do feel
Speaker 1: shit number one that I'm literally just spamming steady shot.
Speaker 1: I don't like classes that just spam one ability and
Speaker 1: it feels weird. Man Ah, no, Josh, you'll be hitting
Speaker 1: multi shot off cool down, you know what I fucking mean.
Speaker 6: Like, it's just.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's something about it and the weirdness
Speaker 1: with like even though it's a good thing, but like
Speaker 1: the weirdness with steady shot being a lock on ability
Speaker 1: where like, you know, it's it's like arcane missiles and whatnot.
Speaker 1: You guys know what I'm talking about. Those abilities that
Speaker 1: lock you onto the target and turn your character automatically
Speaker 1: and you can't really move or whatever while it's going.
Speaker 1: You can't like turn or whatever while it's going. That
Speaker 1: I like those lock on abilities, Like I love hitting
Speaker 1: arcane missiles and having your character sort of turn into
Speaker 1: an auto turret for a little bit, but when it's
Speaker 1: an ability that you're spamming feels a little clunky and weird.
Speaker 1: That's such a niche obnoxious complaint to have. But that's
Speaker 1: just what the now years long while veteran and me
Speaker 1: feels when I play the steady shot Hunter. So apologies
Speaker 1: to all you hunters. Look, you do a nominal damage,
Speaker 1: and you know everyone was, you know, sort of looking
Speaker 1: at our raid initially and going like, oh, you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters there, Josh, don't think. Don't you
Speaker 1: think you got too many hunters? Mate? They do damage? Okay,
Speaker 1: we you know we're stacking too many of the same
Speaker 1: buffs or whatever and not bringing other classes that could
Speaker 1: bring more utility. I mean, at a certain point that
Speaker 1: fucking DPS matters. So like you know, we've even though
Speaker 1: we don't have a million hunters anymore, we had six
Speaker 1: hunters when I first created the Saturday Raid that's now
Speaker 1: turned into three. But like as I said, guys, I
Speaker 1: would have taken six hunters. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Every other raid can roll their eyes at it and
Speaker 1: go look at this idiot taking six hunters. I would
Speaker 1: have fucking done it. It's not like they do no damage.
Speaker 1: But anyway, look, survival is there, Marksmanship is there. They
Speaker 1: do have unique buffs. You've got your true shot, Aura,
Speaker 1: you've got your exposed weakness. But generally everyone will be
Speaker 1: playing beast Master. I don't think the survival and you
Speaker 1: can Hunters can yell at me for saying this. I
Speaker 1: don't think the survival and Marksmanship gameplay style is that different.
Speaker 1: But you're just gonna have different outputs on the meters,
Speaker 1: and like I said, the buffs will be a bit different.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just look it. It was better than I
Speaker 1: thought it would be. But you know, close enough ain't
Speaker 1: good enough, so it won't be the Hunter for me. Paladins, look,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, guys, look I like the
Speaker 1: Red Paladin play style in TBC. I do. I just
Speaker 1: I have the same issue with it that I had
Speaker 1: with one or two other specs, where I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not okay with classes that have manner issues.
Speaker 1: I'm just not like again back to the arcane mage thing,
Speaker 1: and people goes, oh, made at pumps, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but the excessive manner issues, No, no, Josh, you manage that.
Speaker 1: You weaving your frost bolts. You've got your manner emeralds,
Speaker 1: you've got your evacation, you beg for an innovate Bob's
Speaker 1: your uncle, and I'm just like, yeah, but I'd rather
Speaker 1: just have self sustainability and not have to sweat bullets
Speaker 1: about my manner all the time. And Red Paladin, in
Speaker 1: my humble opinion, has massive manner of issues Like I
Speaker 1: just I don't like playing classes that has to drink
Speaker 1: after four mobs. Ah, but Josh, you got your blessing
Speaker 1: and your seal of wisdom and your fucking this out
Speaker 1: and the other. It didn't feel like enough. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed going out and whacking things with my big two
Speaker 1: hander as a ret I just wanted more manner efficiency.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate stoff like I don't sorry, I don't
Speaker 1: mind stopping to drink, but let's do it every fucking
Speaker 1: eight to nine mobs, not every four or five. It's
Speaker 1: just a bit obnoxious. Yes, So look, your mileage mayvery
Speaker 1: I'm not the Paladin of Ficionado. Maybe I was doing
Speaker 1: things wrong. You know, I wasn't consecrating every fucking mob.
Speaker 1: I wasn't being that guy. But it's still just made
Speaker 1: judgment and Crusader stroke and whatever. It just it seemed
Speaker 1: to go. I don't know, maybe I was doing something wrong,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you read Paladins. You know you can't
Speaker 1: shake Paladin fans off Paladin. I could say whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck I could to poo poo them, and all the
Speaker 1: Paladin fans would be like, obviously we don't care Paladin
Speaker 1: for life. Baby good go have fun with your Paladins.
Speaker 1: We need you out there, your amazing utility. I love
Speaker 1: you all, Thank you for doing a great group service.
Speaker 1: Holy Paladin I liked more than I thought I would.
Speaker 1: I just liked Holy Priest a little bit more. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Holy Paladin feels great in my opinion. And look, Prop
Speaker 1: Paladins again, nothing I'm gonna say is going to shake
Speaker 1: you diehard prop Paladins from the speck. This again sounds
Speaker 1: stupid because it's like Jock Josh fucking you know, pick
Speaker 1: a tune, which song you singing?
Speaker 7: Here?
Speaker 1: The prop Paladin feels a little boring on the interactivity stakes.
Speaker 1: I just poo pooed the Feral Druid and the prop
Speaker 1: Warrior for being too involved, you know, spamming high APM,
Speaker 1: fighting for your life blah, blah blah, struggling to keep threat.
Speaker 1: The prop Paladin, in my opinion, is too cruisy. And
Speaker 1: I know that floats a lot of people boat a
Speaker 1: lot of people's boats. Oh mate, too cruisy, No such thing, Josh.
Speaker 1: That is exactly what I'll be doing, watching Netflix while
Speaker 1: pressing simply avenger shields and consecrate and just sleep walking
Speaker 1: through dungeons. I can signed sealds, live it. I'm yours.
Speaker 1: It's just not one hundred percent for me anymore. I
Speaker 1: just I wish the prop Paladin had one more button,
Speaker 1: and I know that they're still pressing buttons. Josh, you
Speaker 1: forgot about Holy Shield, baby. You gotta hear that fairly frequently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do, you do. It's still missing something. I just
Speaker 1: want one more button press for my prop Paladin and
Speaker 1: you'd sell me. But it just it's I could play it,
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit of a snoozefest. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's me on paladins. Look, I just want to say
Speaker 1: this in general as a little bit of a buyer
Speaker 1: beware thing for all you guys considering healers and tanks
Speaker 1: in TBC. And you all know this already, but I'm
Speaker 1: just repeating it and shouting it out into the void,
Speaker 1: you know, just just for the sake of it. First
Speaker 1: and foremost, I'll say the easy part, Like, guys, there
Speaker 1: is going to be a tank shortage. But I'm saying
Speaker 1: it because I think there's really really going to be
Speaker 1: a tank shortage. And I know we say that every
Speaker 1: time a version of the game comes out, nine I
Speaker 1: know this time I mean it. There's really going to
Speaker 1: be a tank shortage. This time, I really really mean it,
Speaker 1: I think. And I'm going to talk about the nerfs
Speaker 1: after I'm done with all these classes. But I think
Speaker 1: that the incredibly bizarre combination that Blizzard has gone with
Speaker 1: of pre NERF heroics and post nerve Carazan, I just
Speaker 1: think that a lot of tanks are going to get
Speaker 1: their fucking asses kicked in these heroics. I think Blizzen
Speaker 1: has had Blizzard's gone topsy turvy, and in trying to
Speaker 1: retain the mental health of the casual player base of Classic,
Speaker 1: they've nerfed the wrong thing. They should have and again
Speaker 1: I'll get to this later, but they should have done
Speaker 1: the slight nerve to a few heroics and kept Carazan
Speaker 1: as it was, because these tanks are going to go
Speaker 1: through these heroics, particularly the two or three harder ones,
Speaker 1: and they're not only it's not just that they'll wipe,
Speaker 1: but they'll wipe so often and so horrifically. Not all
Speaker 1: tanks thanks just you know, from the fucking I don't know,
Speaker 1: sixtieth percentile down or what have you. They'll fail so miserably,
Speaker 1: they will have the life force sucked out of them.
Speaker 1: These heroics are so punishing to the classic player within
Speaker 1: the prism of the classic frame of mind. I know
Speaker 1: mythic plus is harder and all that shit, But to
Speaker 1: the rating dad or the casual dungeoning dad of the
Speaker 1: classic crowd, these TBC heroics are a fucking challenge. Then
Speaker 1: that I don't use the word challenge lightly either, Like
Speaker 1: they're just straight up they will be difficult for a
Speaker 1: lot of casuals. Okay, tanks will reroll, straight up. I
Speaker 1: just think people will get fucking over it and they'll reroll.
Speaker 1: Fuck this thought I was going to be propellered, and
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm out of here never doing that again.
Speaker 1: Fuck you thought I was gonna be a prop warrior.
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be a fairl druid. Now
Speaker 1: let somebody else do that shit, I'm fucking going DPS.
Speaker 1: I just think it's going to happen. I think we're
Speaker 1: going to really struggle. It's part of the reason why
Speaker 1: I chose Warrior, because I think we're going to be
Speaker 1: so hung out to dry with the lack of tanks
Speaker 1: that I have to help some way. Even though I
Speaker 1: just said I don't want to fucking tank all the
Speaker 1: time for the same fucking reasons, even though I feel
Speaker 1: like I can get through it. It's just like it's such
Speaker 1: a bashing that people will ask other people to do it.
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind if you are wanting to
Speaker 1: tank casually, and if you take a real assessment of
Speaker 1: your tanking ability and it ain't that crash hot, and
Speaker 1: if you're like, man, I just play this game for fun.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not very good at it, but I
Speaker 1: want to tank, mate, go for it, but just be
Speaker 1: aware of the warnings I've just thrown you. Okay, like
Speaker 1: it ain't for the faint of heart. Having said all that,
Speaker 1: let's move on to healers, because I've got an even
Speaker 1: bigger warning for you, all your casual healers out there.
Speaker 1: I've touched on this a bit where I don't think
Speaker 1: this upset some of the healers. I don't think TBC
Speaker 1: is a particularly exciting expansion healing wise. I think the
Speaker 1: healing is incredibly one dimensional, monotonous, and not exactly brain massaging.
Speaker 1: Having said that, it is incredibly stressful. It is. All
Speaker 1: healers are the prot warrior and feral druid of healing.
Speaker 1: All healers because in these heroics again Prena heroics, you
Speaker 1: are fighting for everyone's lives, and I mean you are
Speaker 1: fucking stressed. You are under the pump. And again, not
Speaker 1: all healers. I know some of you are sitting out
Speaker 1: there listening to this going fucking not me. I'm a legend.
Speaker 1: Fuck off, Josh, healing is easy. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: This is not directed at you, even though some of
Speaker 1: you saying that might rate yourselves a bit higher than
Speaker 1: you actually are. The Again, the mid to low tier
Speaker 1: healer will get scared off healing immediately. In TBC. It
Speaker 1: is not a walk in the park. It's actually pretty fucked.
Speaker 1: I'm a healing aficionado and I was watching healers in
Speaker 1: all the Heroics Idea listening to them go fuck, fuck fuck,
Speaker 1: and it didn't sound fun, and I was watching the
Speaker 1: lifebar of the tank going, Jesus Christ, fuck that spikiness, Like,
Speaker 1: just fuck that right off. He went from ninety five
Speaker 1: to ten in one global, Like what is going on?
Speaker 1: And then if you do anything but spam flash, heel
Speaker 1: or whatever on the tank, other people are still taking
Speaker 1: damage too, through AoE or cleave or whatever, and it's
Speaker 1: not like you can totally ignore them. It's stressful as fuck.
Speaker 1: Guys like TBC to me truly seems to be like
Speaker 1: you have to be in love with healing and not
Speaker 1: just someone who's considering it to mix things up. You know,
Speaker 1: just consider that when you're choosing your class and what
Speaker 1: to boost in TBC. If you are using the boost,
Speaker 1: I will this is a shitty thing to say. I
Speaker 1: will not be wild about going through heroic dungeons in
Speaker 1: TBC with people who were just you know, Sunday healers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, mate, I can heal. How hard could it be?
Speaker 1: I've got Jill Speck. Nah, fuck it, she'll be right.
Speaker 1: Let's give it a go.
Speaker 4: Nah mate.
Speaker 1: If it's all well and good, I'd rather get someone
Speaker 1: who actually heals, you know, semi professionally, because these heroics
Speaker 1: are going to fuck people up, and we're gonna wipe
Speaker 1: a lot, and you will cumulatively spend fucking twelve minutes
Speaker 1: on runbacks. And I know, I am, you know, Captain,
Speaker 1: Do what's fun and don't be better and play the
Speaker 1: game however the fuck you want to play it. But
Speaker 1: believe me, after doing all these heroics over the last
Speaker 1: few weeks on PTA are even the friendliest friendliest of
Speaker 1: guild groups will start to get exacerbated and crack the
Speaker 1: shits a bit when you've wiped five times because the
Speaker 1: healing can't keep up on a heroic. It's fucking rough
Speaker 1: out there, So just keep that in mind. Like I'm
Speaker 1: super aware I as a lifelong healer. Am su not lifelong,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, am super wary of
Speaker 1: healing in TBC. It just doesn't look fun. Holy Priest
Speaker 1: is a lot of fun, Like all the mechanics and
Speaker 1: the spells of a Holy Priest fucking great, sign me
Speaker 1: up sounds wonderful, But in the heroic dungeon environment, look,
Speaker 1: I'm still yet to try. It just doesn't look that fun.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to write it off yet. Maybe
Speaker 1: once I drive it, it'll be fine, and I'm completely
Speaker 1: dooming this thing that I shouldn't be dooming right now.
Speaker 1: So I just again I'm thinking out loud to myself here, guys,
Speaker 1: you don't have to subscribe to what I'm saying. This
Speaker 1: is just me being a dickhead. Okay, you know, apply
Speaker 1: all of that. You know, poor as we're saying, poor
Speaker 1: resto druids, Like what the fuck does a resto druid
Speaker 1: do in these heroics when you've got that much spikiness, Like,
Speaker 1: oh mate, I hope those hots tick on you soon,
Speaker 1: Like I know you've got regrowth and shits sitting right
Speaker 1: there on a one and a half second cast as
Speaker 1: a flash heel, but like still fuck me dead, Like
Speaker 1: it's just oh, it's brutal so resto Shaman's rest Resto Druids,
Speaker 1: Holy priest, discipline, priests. Just just keep all that in mind, please,
Speaker 1: that's all your heel is covered. Boomkins Druids. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: still shocked at how few people are playing Boomkins. I
Speaker 1: know the Boomkin is not like highly represented in any
Speaker 1: version of well, but I feel like it's alway, it's
Speaker 1: got it's really niche, you know, fan club and I
Speaker 1: can't see that fan club this time around. On TVC anniversary.
Speaker 1: Fucking no one's playing Boomkin. And it's not like they're horrible,
Speaker 1: but just fucking no one's playing them. We're really really
Speaker 1: shocked that we've seen so few Boomkins so far. But
Speaker 1: having said that, guys, look, I didn't spend much time
Speaker 1: with Druid. I'm not a Druid fan. I love Resto Druid,
Speaker 1: but like I said, fuck being a Resto Druid in
Speaker 1: fucking TBC for me personally, Marcus, if you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: please don't take any of this into account. I absolutely
Speaker 1: would love you to play Resto Druid and stick with
Speaker 1: me in Arenas. I love you, But yeah, Druid guys,
Speaker 1: I'll leave that to the Druids. Look, the feral tanks
Speaker 1: seem to love the bear eat despite everything I said.
Speaker 1: You know, cats love the cat, even though Cat doesn't
Speaker 1: get a lot of love in TBC. Nobody apparently playing Boomkin,
Speaker 1: and the Resto Druids are very happy because Resto Druid
Speaker 1: is good TBC. It's just like I said that, that
Speaker 1: issue with heroics is a little bit funny. I'm sure
Speaker 1: the good restro druids will shout me down and say, mate, Josh,
Speaker 1: shut up. Rest of Druids fine in heroic, that's fine,
Speaker 1: and they're obviously God's in the arena, so keep that
Speaker 1: in mind. Now, what's next? That's pretty much everything? What
Speaker 1: class did I did? I leave out? One, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 1: six seven. I've left the class out and I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, whatever class that is. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I'll think of you later. Now, look, guys, I want
Speaker 1: to move on to the nurse real quick. I' pretty
Speaker 1: much said what I wanted to say. But I do
Speaker 1: think it's bizarre. As many of you noted, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of nuance that's not being explored here. I don't
Speaker 1: know why the raid is going to be significantly easier
Speaker 1: than the heroics. Why am I busting ass to gear
Speaker 1: up in heroics for gear that I won't need to
Speaker 1: clear an easy raid potentially, you know? And why why
Speaker 1: after three or four Carazans am I ever doing a
Speaker 1: heroic again? You know what I mean? Like, if you
Speaker 1: get like four or five pieces from your first month
Speaker 1: of Karazan, I'm still I know you'd still got I know, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm not dumb. I know you'd still go to Heroics.
Speaker 1: You know, you're still getting previous that you haven't found
Speaker 1: or like, you know, obviously you haven't got all the
Speaker 1: drops from Karazan, so you might still need a thing
Speaker 1: or two from Heroics and you know, Joshua need my
Speaker 1: primal nether's or whatever it might be. I know there's
Speaker 1: a reason to go to Heroics, but I'm just like
Speaker 1: this ass backwards oddity of like, seriously doing the Raid
Speaker 1: to make the Heroics easier is fucking bizarre to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Classic team is smoking on
Speaker 1: this one. To me, the far more logical decision. You know,
Speaker 1: there's two worlds that you live in. Here, there's a
Speaker 1: world where they don't touch anything and everything is just
Speaker 1: pre nerve. We played that game in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: We know how that goes. You either make that choice
Speaker 1: again or you live in a world where you are
Speaker 1: gonna make some nerves. And that's the world we're living in,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm discussing this. So, like the hashtag
Speaker 1: no changes, don't touch my fucking dungeons in tbc's in TBC, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that ship has sailed this time around, they're
Speaker 1: obviously mixing things up. This time around, They're obviously mixing
Speaker 1: things up. So I'll talk about all of that within
Speaker 1: the realm of this you know, universe where nerves are
Speaker 1: being made. So if we're open to nerves, why aren't
Speaker 1: we slightly nerving heroics mainly the two or three tough ones,
Speaker 1: like why don't we have the microscope on shattered halls
Speaker 1: and fucking blood furnas and leave Cara alone? Why don't
Speaker 1: we have post nerve Cara and fucking sorry, pre nerve Cara.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Why don't we have pre
Speaker 1: nerve Carra and post nerve heroics? And if you guys
Speaker 1: get up in arms, going Josh, I don't want blanket
Speaker 1: nurse to heroics. The difficulty of heroics is part of
Speaker 1: the charm of TBC. Then again, like Nuance Baby, isn't
Speaker 1: there a couple of little things that you could If
Speaker 1: the aim of the game, which it clearly is, is
Speaker 1: to keep the casuals happy, then why are we fucking
Speaker 1: flogging them in heroics just to make them smile? In Karazan,
Speaker 1: I'm on board with post nerve Vash, I'm on board
Speaker 1: with post nerve KT, that's fine. I don't care. That's fine. No,
Speaker 1: not many people, and I know there are people out there,
Speaker 1: but the minority, it seems, the minority of people are going,
Speaker 1: don't touch my vash, don't touch my KT. The majority
Speaker 1: of people going, yeah, makes sense. A lot of people
Speaker 1: quit when they were met with that challenge. So if
Speaker 1: you nerve vash and KT, fucking whatever, shoultz shrug. I
Speaker 1: can live with that. But like I said earlier, nobody
Speaker 1: in there, in the history of mankind, has ever said,
Speaker 1: won't somebody please think of the children? A nerve trasan
Speaker 1: blizzard went ahead and did it. Anyway, the arguably the
Speaker 1: easiest ray that's ever existed in our history outside of wrathnacs,
Speaker 1: has now been nerved when nobody wanted it. It's not
Speaker 1: so much that nobody wants it, but nobody asked for it.
Speaker 1: People are happily accepting a nerve trazen but they would
Speaker 1: have also lived their lives quite happily with a pre
Speaker 1: nerve trazan. And if you do pre nerve trazene, you
Speaker 1: maintain that flow of you know, doing the slightly easier
Speaker 1: heroic dungeon to gear up for the tougher raid as
Speaker 1: is meant to be. I don't know why we're literally
Speaker 1: doing it asked backwards, like, I know they're smart people
Speaker 1: in the Classic team. What's the reasoning, guys, what's the
Speaker 1: fucking reasoning? Because like I say, I predict. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: not predict. I presume, like I said, logistically, you're trying
Speaker 1: to keep people happy and subbed moving into Classic. Plus,
Speaker 1: this is about riding the ViBe's trained for the next
Speaker 1: eight months. Cool, Okay, If that's the case, I'm on board.
Speaker 1: Then why you're flogging their asses in Heroics because that
Speaker 1: doesn't line up with what you're trying to do. Let's
Speaker 1: keep them happy, let's make the raids easy. Or but
Speaker 1: these heroic dungeons that they'll be running out nauseum are
Speaker 1: going to kick the living shit out of Captain Casual.
Speaker 1: Why that doesn't marry up? So, like, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I guys don't see this as me pushing for nurse
Speaker 1: to heroics. Oh Josh is pushing for nurse to heroics
Speaker 1: because he' shit at the game. Mate. I'm fine with
Speaker 1: heroics as they are. I totally am. But as I said,
Speaker 1: in the world where you've already said, we are making
Speaker 1: nerve changes, apply them to the correct areas. If anything,
Speaker 1: all right that I mean, it's just I don't think
Speaker 1: a slight nerve to blood furnace or shattered her holes
Speaker 1: is going to make people go up in arms and
Speaker 1: quit the game. I don't think, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Fuck if it was like a five percent damage nerve
Speaker 1: across the board on heroics, I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking out loud, fucking anything would be better than what
Speaker 1: we've got right now. But like you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to fucking quit the game and take my toys
Speaker 1: and go home. But it is bizarrely head scratching, So Blizzard,
Speaker 1: I mean, I would challenge you guys to come out
Speaker 1: and explain this one to us, because you've got a
Speaker 1: bunch of lifelong players who kind of kind of somewhat
Speaker 1: and I know you hate armchair devs, but you've got
Speaker 1: a bunch of veterans who kind of know a thing
Speaker 1: or two about the game, pointing at this thing, going
Speaker 1: what why, Like what is the what's the reasoning behind
Speaker 1: this one? So fucking go on, take the PEPSI challenge,
Speaker 1: write a blue post, tell us why I doubledare Yer.
Speaker 1: All right, moving on arena, guys, Arena is a funny
Speaker 1: one to talk about because it was PTR was really
Speaker 1: really cool in that arena was just pumping twos threes,
Speaker 1: like we even got fives. I think everyone's doing arena.
Speaker 1: But but blah blah blah. But very important thing to
Speaker 1: take into account for the PTR. It attracts the sweatiest players.
Speaker 1: I read a good post today about the arena PTR,
Speaker 1: sort of breaking down observations from someone who reckons they've
Speaker 1: played a thousand matches over the last fucking month or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it was a good read. But like they sort
Speaker 1: of said, yeah, Okay, there's a lot of sweaties on
Speaker 1: the arena, but there were some casuals too, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think that the you know, ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of the people doing arena on the PTR your
Speaker 1: fucking top players. And to be honest with you, guys,
Speaker 1: you know we said this last time through TBC. I
Speaker 1: don't know why we have such short memories that That's
Speaker 1: one of my most infuriating points about the whole Wow
Speaker 1: Classic franchise as we now go through peat planes of expansions,
Speaker 1: is how short a memory people have for shit that
Speaker 1: has happened a few years ago, Like we just did
Speaker 1: TBC over twenty one to twenty two. It wasn't that
Speaker 1: fucking long ago. And people already say the wildest shit
Speaker 1: of things that are going to happen that where we've
Speaker 1: literally got the proof of what happened a few years ago,
Speaker 1: that it won't be different this time. So I just
Speaker 1: hear people going like, oh, don't worry, there'll be a
Speaker 1: lifestyle there for the casual in arena in PvP and TBC,
Speaker 1: I supremely disagree. Nobody is going to do arena and
Speaker 1: the only people that will be doing it are the
Speaker 1: best of the best. Arena will be a fucking nightmare
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of people. Now again, I hear
Speaker 1: all you people screaming, but Josh, they made changes. They
Speaker 1: lowered the costs of the weapons. Everyone will be doing arena.
Speaker 1: Everyone will be doing arena for the gear, and that
Speaker 1: includes the casuals. You are correct sir, congratulations, you're correct.
Speaker 1: The problem is I'm just talking to people who are
Speaker 1: actually thinking about properly, like getting stuck into arena. Those
Speaker 1: people will do their ten games and then fuck off
Speaker 1: from arena. For the week, never to be seen again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, if you're spamming Arena, you might get
Speaker 1: the occasional game against the casuals just there for their points,
Speaker 1: for their weapons. I personally just think the vast majority
Speaker 1: of your games will be against top tier players fucking
Speaker 1: nine out of ten, of wich of which are better
Speaker 1: than you, who have been doing this for twenty fucking years,
Speaker 1: who are going to make you cry and have a
Speaker 1: horrible time and want to quit the fucking Arena. I
Speaker 1: will dick around with Arena as much as I can,
Speaker 1: but having seen what I've seen on TBCPTR, it was
Speaker 1: a huge turn off for me. I will do fives
Speaker 1: with the Countdown crew. I will do threes with the
Speaker 1: Countdown crew. I will do two's with Marcus and will
Speaker 1: have a great time, but I'm going to play it
Speaker 1: less than I planned, and i will go to Beg's
Speaker 1: more because I've worked out that there's no shame in this.
Speaker 1: The begser for me, where I'm just not as good
Speaker 1: of a PvP player as others, I can go there.
Speaker 1: I can make mistakes, I can do my fucking shatter
Speaker 1: combos every now and again and get my dopamine. Doesn't
Speaker 1: matter that I die twenty times. I've still had fun
Speaker 1: in the arena. When you're losing, it ain't fun. It's
Speaker 1: not fun at all. So I just think that I
Speaker 1: respect the TBC PTR does not have matchmaking, and that
Speaker 1: you know live will I don't know. Just you PvP
Speaker 1: players please feel free to somewhat politely shout me down
Speaker 1: on this one. But again, it's just awarding to the casual.
Speaker 8: Look.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't go to arena, but again, just
Speaker 1: clench your asshole for the potential pounding it may get
Speaker 1: in there, all right. It's just it's not for the
Speaker 1: faint of heart. It's really for only the best of
Speaker 1: the best, generally speaking. I think that will continue through
Speaker 1: this iteration of TBC. All right, moving on to pre
Speaker 1: patch time, Guys, I don't know if you can hear
Speaker 1: this in what you've just heard in the audio, but
Speaker 1: this is I'm not joking when I say this. You
Speaker 1: don't have to believe me. I don't really give a
Speaker 1: fuck if you believe me or not. This is a
Speaker 1: one take rant, and those of you who have listened
Speaker 1: to me for years will believe me and go. We
Speaker 1: know Josh is capable of this. But this is literally
Speaker 1: like what I used to do in court for years.
Speaker 1: Like I've now been speaking for sixty five minutes, NonStop
Speaker 1: at a relatively high clip, barely taking breaths, trying to
Speaker 1: rattle off at a relatively intellectual and cohesive in an
Speaker 1: intellectual and cohesive fashion, and argument moving from point to point.
Speaker 1: I will get very, very tired from this eventually, and
Speaker 1: I'll have to stop in about twenty five minutes. But
Speaker 1: like I promise you, this is unedited. I haven't taken
Speaker 1: one fucking pause, breath anything out. This is just pure
Speaker 1: verbal diarrhea from me. So thank you so much for
Speaker 1: listening to this, and I do apologize if the verbal
Speaker 1: diarrhea is a bit much for people. But moving on
Speaker 1: to the pre patch time, Guys, look, I am a
Speaker 1: little shocks that we haven't heard any news yet. By
Speaker 1: the time you hear this podcast, we probably will have
Speaker 1: had the news. I suspect it will drop. The Classic
Speaker 1: Team will be back in the office next week. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I suspect it will drop Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: probably Monday Tuesday Wednesday of next week. Given that the
Speaker 1: pre patch as of this recording is ten days away.
Speaker 1: They don't have much fucking time left to drop it,
Speaker 1: so it's obviously coming next week. Look it's funny, I
Speaker 1: said last Friday. I was like, oh, I reckon for
Speaker 1: sure they're going to drop the news today, and someone
Speaker 1: happily reminded me, Josh, it's the second of January, you
Speaker 1: fucking idiot. They won't be in the office. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, they take holidays. You're right, it
Speaker 1: won't drop today. So look, it is a shame again
Speaker 1: kicking the pants up the butt for Blizzard. You know,
Speaker 1: it is shit. I'm not trying to say this, you know,
Speaker 1: with a smile on my face, but it is shit
Speaker 1: making people wait this long. Some people do like to
Speaker 1: plan ahead. People would have taken time off for pre patch.
Speaker 1: People want to know what class they're playing, what boosts
Speaker 1: they're doing, blah blah blah. I know this is all
Speaker 1: done by design to fucking drive the economics behind the boost,
Speaker 1: but it still feels shit not being kept in the
Speaker 1: dark and not having this information. We don't know if
Speaker 1: we're getting a two week, three week, four week pre patch.
Speaker 1: People don't know if they're going to have the time
Speaker 1: to level their Paladins or Shamans. We just don't know.
Speaker 1: We don't know what the fucking launch date of TBC is. Again,
Speaker 1: people want to take a week off work to fly
Speaker 1: around and have fun in TBC through launch. They don't
Speaker 1: know when that's coming. You've got to submit, you know,
Speaker 1: paid time off weeks in advance. And I know in
Speaker 1: the past, and I respect to a certain extent, Blizzard
Speaker 1: saying guys, I'm sorry. We don't make announcements based on
Speaker 1: how much fucking time you need to put in PTO. Sorry,
Speaker 1: And I've mostly agreed with that. I've been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you fucking this isn't you know the game
Speaker 1: that revolves around people's holiday calendars for the slim slim
Speaker 1: slim slim minority of players that actually take extended time
Speaker 1: off work to play launchers. I am in line with
Speaker 1: that thinking. However, I do think this situation has still
Speaker 1: somewhat taken the piss. There's there's waiting, you know, there's
Speaker 1: not needing to answer to the player base in that regard,
Speaker 1: but then there's waiting too long to drop the news,
Speaker 1: and you have waited too long in this instance. It's
Speaker 1: more than a rap over the knuckles. It's a huge
Speaker 1: kickup with the ass again to the classic team, And
Speaker 1: I know the Classic team doesn't listen to this podcast
Speaker 1: to be fucking just you know, dunked on and you
Speaker 1: know this, This stupid fucking Australian just thinks he's fucking
Speaker 1: pulled us into the principal's office and he's giving us
Speaker 1: addressing down. Fuck this. I don't need to listen to this.
Speaker 1: No you don't. And I'm not trying to be that guy,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like, you guys know this, like
Speaker 1: I think that was a logistical mistake and the players
Speaker 1: aren't happy with you for it. So just you know,
Speaker 1: there it's been said. Whatever sucks, try and do better
Speaker 1: next time, all right, Although we've been saying that for
Speaker 1: years now, like you should have learned a lesson by now.
Speaker 1: It's fucking it's pretty ridiculous. The boosts guys, as I said,
Speaker 1: everything has been driven to drive sales of boosts. And
Speaker 1: you know that's that's the economic model. It is what
Speaker 1: it is at this point. That's the reality of MMO
Speaker 1: gaming in twenty twenty six. We are now this this
Speaker 1: game functions and revolves around people buying that Boost, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm not you know, I don't throw anyone
Speaker 1: under the boat these days, under the bus these days
Speaker 1: for buying the Boost. Fucking I've said. I've bought one
Speaker 1: or two Boosts in the past over the last four years. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm not proud of it, but I've done it. And
Speaker 1: you know, Blizzard, you know, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: getting a freebie this time around through TBC, So if
Speaker 1: I play an oult, I will have to buy a Boost,
Speaker 1: and I do it. I'm not again, the price is disgusting,
Speaker 1: But as we sort of joked about in discord chat
Speaker 1: a few days ago, and what I've said on the
Speaker 1: podcast in previous episodes is I you know, perhaps again
Speaker 1: the suggestions don't come from this podcast, but I've said before,
Speaker 1: if I were Blizzard, I would make the Boost disgustingly expensive,
Speaker 1: knowing that every Wow addict there under the sun will
Speaker 1: pay it regardless. They'll bitch and moan, and they'll bitch
Speaker 1: and moan and then they'll buy it anyway. So at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, your your fucking objections are
Speaker 1: meaningless if you continue to buy the products. It sounds
Speaker 1: really harsh to say but I'm I still mostly stand
Speaker 1: by that, but you know, I will also say the
Speaker 1: price is ridiculous. I've lambasted Blizzard for years over the
Speaker 1: price of their digital goods, you know, things like server transfers,
Speaker 1: things like name changes are disgustingly priced, but they do
Speaker 1: it because people keep buying them. I personally generally don't.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think I've bought two boosts over
Speaker 1: four years, which, hey, I'm still part of the problem.
Speaker 1: Haven't bought any name changes that I know of, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, I have bought a service swap, so then again,
Speaker 1: I'm part of the problem. So it's kind of like
Speaker 1: what can we do. We sit here and we bitch
Speaker 1: about it, but then we feed the beasts. So like,
Speaker 1: joke's on us at the end of the day. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, if I was a Blizzard and I was
Speaker 1: driving the bottom line, I had to report back to
Speaker 1: the shareholders fucking make the booster squillion dollars, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm being hyperbolic, obviously, but like, let's
Speaker 1: let's push them. And you are being pushed right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm betting that unfortunately or fortunately or it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, those boosts are still going to sell like hotcakes.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's on us to speak with our wallets,
Speaker 1: and we generally don't. And I'm I'm in the crowd here.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying. I'm not doing holier than now because
Speaker 1: I've bought Boost. Guys, I'm sorry, I'm you know, part
Speaker 1: of the problem. So they say it. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of you won't like me talking this way about Boost,
Speaker 1: but that's you know, we've done the Boost thing on
Speaker 1: the podcast before and that's just how it goes. That's
Speaker 1: the economics. But anyway, look, it would be great if
Speaker 1: they announce a Boost only price because a lot of
Speaker 1: you have brought this up. It's very very obvious that
Speaker 1: they've only got the package there on the shop at
Speaker 1: the moment. That's very expensive. No, Josh, don't worry. They'll
Speaker 1: release the cheaper standalone standalone Boost soon. I hope they do.
Speaker 1: But in all honesty, I'm sitting there going will they
Speaker 1: will they? Like if they sell me a million of
Speaker 1: these boosts? Why would they? I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not like people good choke and be a fucking
Speaker 1: idiot and go like, look at this guy, like begging
Speaker 1: to give more money to Blizzard is such a shill.
Speaker 1: I want to pay fucking nothing for a Boost, your dickheads.
Speaker 1: I want to pay less. I want the Boost standalone package.
Speaker 1: I still hold out hope they'll do it, but it
Speaker 1: wouldn't fucking blow my mind if they didn't. So let's
Speaker 1: wait and see. Guys, if you're boosting classes, if you
Speaker 1: are using the Boost, you know it is expensive. Just
Speaker 1: be sure you know what you want. Try it out
Speaker 1: on the PTR first. Don't just you know, please don't
Speaker 1: buy a boost, play the class up to level sixty three,
Speaker 1: work out you fucking hate it, and then you know
Speaker 1: you go and just feed them and buy another one.
Speaker 1: Please just try it on PTR first. I don't want
Speaker 1: you guys going broke over this stupid fucking game PTA
Speaker 1: three words PTR. I'm screaming begging you to try it. Guys.
Speaker 1: The I think interestingly that you know a lot of
Speaker 1: you have parroted what I've been saying, that you know
Speaker 1: this TBC iteration will be a lot of fun, will
Speaker 1: be together playing it and all that stuff. But like
Speaker 1: we're just here while waiting for Classic Plus let's be
Speaker 1: honest with you. Let's be honest with people. This is
Speaker 1: the classic plus waiting room. That's not the TBC is bad,
Speaker 1: but it's not like, you know, the greatest game ever invented.
Speaker 1: Sorry to say, TBC fans. I think there will be
Speaker 1: a huge drop off after phase one. I really really do.
Speaker 1: I genuinely think about ten weeks into TBC, there's going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of people dropping off. They've done
Speaker 1: their their handful of Karazens, they've leveled to seventy, they've
Speaker 1: tried and all, and they'll just go, thanks, got that
Speaker 1: out of my system. No SSC or TK for me.
Speaker 1: Have fun with that, nerds, I'll go play other games.
Speaker 1: I just think it's coming. I would love to think
Speaker 1: that everyone in our guild will mostly say together, we
Speaker 1: shall see. We've got the two raid teams. I'd love
Speaker 1: to keep fifty is fifty. But you know, the reality
Speaker 1: part of my brain is going, you know, the fuck
Speaker 1: that two raid teams could become one in phase two.
Speaker 1: We shall see. But yeah, I just think that. You know,
Speaker 1: we say on this podcast in the core coming up
Speaker 1: that September ain't that far away, guys. We're eight and
Speaker 1: a half months away from what I anticipate to be
Speaker 1: the Classic Plus announcement of Bliscon, and I anticipate them
Speaker 1: saying that you can play it pretty shortly after Bliscon.
Speaker 1: This time is going to go relatively quickly, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, Geo politics notwithstanding that may drag the year on,
Speaker 1: but guys, it's seriously coming. Okay, this is the waiting
Speaker 1: room and we will be playing Classic Plus. I think
Speaker 1: sooner than we realize. We're just gonna wake up one
Speaker 1: day and it'll be here. So let's have fun. Let's
Speaker 1: get through the TBC thing. You know, play other games
Speaker 1: if you need to, but you know, give TBC a
Speaker 1: go as well. If you're a Countdown listener, you know
Speaker 1: one way to have more fun in TBC. If you
Speaker 1: are considering dropping off after phase one, just play with
Speaker 1: the countdown guys, trust me, you'll have more fun. The
Speaker 1: community is fucking amazing. Sorry to suck my own dick,
Speaker 1: but we've got a great crew here, and it's only
Speaker 1: you know, when you listen to the call that's coming up,
Speaker 1: you'll realize what I'm talking about. It's abundantly clear that
Speaker 1: these are great fucking people. You know, they're so easy
Speaker 1: to manage. We're going to have a large guild. Everyone's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Dive into the social waters to put your fun experience
Speaker 1: in this expansion on steroids. I can't emphasize that enough.
Speaker 1: Stop being shy, Come say hello to us, Dive into
Speaker 1: a voice channel and say hey, guys. I don't normally
Speaker 1: come and talk to you, but you know, I wanted
Speaker 1: to come and say hi. We love hearing from new people.
Speaker 1: We're not pricks. We're not going to be like, who
Speaker 1: the fuck is this guy? You're not busting up a
Speaker 1: click or anything like that. The whole point of this
Speaker 1: thing is to meet new people and socialize. Come to
Speaker 1: the bar, come say gooday, don't quit the game, Jump
Speaker 1: in the voice channel, come to a raid with us.
Speaker 1: We'll sort you out. Okay. But on that note, guys, obviously,
Speaker 1: the next you know, hour and a half, two and
Speaker 1: a half hours that you're going to hear when I
Speaker 1: sign off soon is going to be about the Countdown
Speaker 1: Guild and the serious that the guys that have signed
Speaker 1: up to regularly raid and be somewhat serious raiders. And
Speaker 1: when I say serious raiders, I just meet in terms
Speaker 1: of commitment. They've said you know. Yeah, I'll rock up
Speaker 1: to seventy or eighty percent of the raids on this night.
Speaker 1: Let's fucking go. If you do want to be number one,
Speaker 1: if you want to be a part of Countdown, We're
Speaker 1: going to be a large guild. We're not a zer guild,
Speaker 1: but we will be a large guild. Just do what
Speaker 1: you got to do. Join the discord, hit me up,
Speaker 1: get in contact somehow, and come and join us, and
Speaker 1: come play on dreamsythe hoard side with all the Countdown crew.
Speaker 1: We'd love to have you bing bang boom done outside
Speaker 1: of that, if you're not just a casual that wants
Speaker 1: to join and chat with us, if you actually want
Speaker 1: to raid. I am in the midst now of building
Speaker 1: a third rate team. Okay, Okay, you might not. It
Speaker 1: might not have like a boatload of people that you
Speaker 1: hear on the podcast in the third rate team, but
Speaker 1: it's still going to have a couple of voices maybe,
Speaker 1: and they're still going to be good people. It's still
Speaker 1: going to have that Countdown vibe. I'll keep an eye
Speaker 1: on things, and you know, I sort of make the
Speaker 1: joke in this call that it's like being a franchise
Speaker 1: e of the Countdown Corporation. You know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: you'll get to use the countdown recipe. Take the Countdown people,
Speaker 1: you know, grab the Countdown vibes and apply them to
Speaker 1: a kind of build your own raid within the Countdown umbrella.
Speaker 1: Under the Countdown umbrella, I should say so, I will
Speaker 1: put a sign up sheet in the announcements channel of
Speaker 1: the Countdown Discord, a new sign up sheet and just say, guys,
Speaker 1: this is now. People who still want to regularly raid,
Speaker 1: please don't sign up to the raid sheet. If you're
Speaker 1: just gonna raid every now and again. If you're the
Speaker 1: guy who's just like, I'm happy just to pug a
Speaker 1: Karazan every now and then. Oh I'll fill in when
Speaker 1: they need me. Oh yeah, I'll just you know, if
Speaker 1: someone needs me, I'll be available. That's great. We will
Speaker 1: have plenty of pugs going. I have no doubt that
Speaker 1: you can get in on that fun with But leave
Speaker 1: the sign up sheet for the guys who look at
Speaker 1: the time and go, yep, I'm available seventy to eighty
Speaker 1: percent of the time on that raid night, I will
Speaker 1: be there. I want to be part of a core group.
Speaker 1: Let's do this. They can all sign up to the sheet. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm setting. I am setting the time. I'm taking the
Speaker 1: decision out of your hands for that third raid group.
Speaker 1: If we fill it out, this will be a sun
Speaker 1: Night eight pm Eastern raid. That's five pm Pacific on Sunday,
Speaker 1: four pm Central. Sorry, seven pm Central, I should say, sorry,
Speaker 1: fuck this up eight pm Eastern, seven pm Central, five
Speaker 1: pm Pacific. Okay, on Sunday night. For European folks, that
Speaker 1: means it's probably out of the question. I think that
Speaker 1: means two am for you guys, So no Europeans will
Speaker 1: be in this one, I highly doubt. For you Oceanic people,
Speaker 1: on the off chance you don't work on a Monday,
Speaker 1: it would be a mid day raid if you're in Sydney, okay.
Speaker 1: So if you're free in the middle of the day
Speaker 1: on a Monday and you're Oceanya, then consider signing up. Okay.
Speaker 1: And for you guys in Southeast Asia, it'll be around
Speaker 1: ten o'clock in the morning on a Monday, all right,
Speaker 1: So keeping that time in mind if you absolutely want
Speaker 1: to form part of a fucking KIS countdown vibes, non meta,
Speaker 1: non sweaty, non passing, non gold buying raid group, sign
Speaker 1: up to the sheet that I have put in the
Speaker 1: countdown discord. There's already five or six people that overflow
Speaker 1: from the first two raids that I've filled out that
Speaker 1: I'll throw in and keep in mind in the third team.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's build that one out. Sign up
Speaker 1: no matter what spec and class you are, and we'll
Speaker 1: sort it out, all right. I'll make it work and
Speaker 1: help you. Will nominate a raid leader and I'll work
Speaker 1: with them as best I can to set their franchise up. Okay,
Speaker 1: So outside of that, guys, as you'll hear, my raid
Speaker 1: team has twenty five people. So where said, we're going
Speaker 1: to use the guild as a bench. So we'll keep
Speaker 1: an eye on people that are keen to fill in
Speaker 1: and pug where they can, and we'll give you some
Speaker 1: gear and come help us out when people can't turn up.
Speaker 1: And the that's the Saturday Night Raid. The Friday Night
Speaker 1: Raid is still looking for two healers and a DPS.
Speaker 1: I believe they have a preference for too holy priests
Speaker 1: and an affliction warlock, so bear that in mind. But
Speaker 1: they now kind of have the benefit of choice, I believe,
Speaker 1: so they would take anyone, but they have preferences, So
Speaker 1: liaise with LASM this is more Lazars and and you know,
Speaker 1: Vestige and Easies. Baby over there on the Friday team,
Speaker 1: liaise with them and myself if you need help and
Speaker 1: seeing if we can hook you up and fill out
Speaker 1: those slots. But I've no doubt those slots will fill quickly,
Speaker 1: so reach out asap if you hear this podcast. So yeah, guys, look,
Speaker 1: that's what we'll be doing. You all know what we
Speaker 1: do here at countdown By Now we're all mature adults.
Speaker 1: We don't fuck around like idiots, and we just have
Speaker 1: fun and drink beers together and you know, without being
Speaker 1: drunken idiots. That's what we do. Okay, So please get
Speaker 1: on board. If you're a longtime listener on of this podcast,
Speaker 1: this is the first time we're making a concerted, universal
Speaker 1: effort to really get a big guild together and do
Speaker 1: this seriously. I want it to work so we can
Speaker 1: simply transplant you all over to Classic Plus when that drops.
Speaker 1: So this is the test run, but it's really getting
Speaker 1: the steam going behind the engine to plow into Classic Plus.
Speaker 1: So fucking follow me to victory, everyone, guys. That's pretty
Speaker 1: much it look it's funny. I was laughing that this
Speaker 1: TVC anniversary would have been a great time for the
Speaker 1: Classic team to test out things like the shared group
Speaker 1: drops that we saw in Epoch that we're all demanding
Speaker 1: should be in fucking Classic Plus. Sadly, you know, they
Speaker 1: haven't done anything like that. Would have been just the
Speaker 1: best time to try it, not so much a good
Speaker 1: time to try cross faction because obviously on the PvE server,
Speaker 1: because obviously everyone's already got their guild set up and everything.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think they really miss the boat on
Speaker 1: trialing shared group lute for this one. But we'll talk
Speaker 1: about Classic Plus stuff later, guys. I keep doing this
Speaker 1: to the Epoch guys. I promise you a big Epoch
Speaker 1: podcast is coming eventually where we review Epoch and sort
Speaker 1: of say this is what Classic Plus should have, but
Speaker 1: just just not yet. One day, one day, I promise. Guys.
Speaker 1: I've now been speaking for an hour and twenty three
Speaker 1: minutes NonStop. I'm fucking tired. I now warmly welcome you
Speaker 1: to listen in to the first ever Countdown Guild meeting.
Speaker 1: Get to know the personalities. I will be producing videos
Speaker 1: of these raids where I can you will get to
Speaker 1: know these people. You'll get to love these people. Please
Speaker 1: embrace them as warmly as you have myself and welcome
Speaker 1: them into your hearts. There are a wonderful cast of characters,
Speaker 1: and I will see you on the next Countdown to
Speaker 1: Classic after you listen to this call. Enjoy the next
Speaker 1: two and a half hours. Bye everyone. All right, you
Speaker 1: could hear a pin drop in here as everyone was
Speaker 1: being on their best behavior for minutes as I tried
Speaker 1: to set up the stream. And that's the kind of
Speaker 1: discipline that I'll be looking for in a group of raiders.
Speaker 1: What amazing people. Thank you so much everyone for tuning
Speaker 1: in to this episode of Countdown to Classic. This is
Speaker 1: a bit of a fun and special one in that
Speaker 1: we'll be recording the first of hopefully a few Countdown
Speaker 1: Guild meetings. So, guys, if you don't know, Countdown is
Speaker 1: putting a big old fashioned guild together for TBC anniversary.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm doing it, and look, I've sort of
Speaker 1: tried to do guilts in the past to you know,
Speaker 1: not much effort or success. But look, we fight it
Speaker 1: up in Epoch and it went really well, and so
Speaker 1: we were kind of like, huh, you know, the world
Speaker 1: wide Guild thing worked really well, and so I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, Classic Plus is not that far down the track.
Speaker 1: Bliss Coon's coming up in September. You know, it's only
Speaker 1: eight months away, eight and a half months away, and
Speaker 1: I would I'd love to replicate the amazing feeling we
Speaker 1: got out of the Epoch Guild in Classic Plus, getting
Speaker 1: as much of you guys from around the world together
Speaker 1: on the one surver as we can. So I thought,
Speaker 1: what a great opportunity the TVC anniversary presents as a
Speaker 1: trial run or just you know, getting some experience under
Speaker 1: my wings as a first time GM. To just bring
Speaker 1: the group together again, work it out, solidify some relationships,
Speaker 1: and then go into fucking Classic Plus storming. That would
Speaker 1: be fantastic. So I said, fuck it all right. Ordinarily,
Speaker 1: I've not wanted to take on the pressure or the
Speaker 1: work that you know, a guild leader generally has to,
Speaker 1: but I'll give it a go this time. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. The last few days have been a
Speaker 1: whirlwind of responsibility and management and rostering, but it's been
Speaker 1: you know, fun for the most part. But I have
Speaker 1: called a guild meeting and we've got a shitload of
Speaker 1: the guys here on the call. There's about you know,
Speaker 1: fucking twenty of us here, which is fantastic, and everyone's
Speaker 1: just going to chime in, shoot the shit, and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk our hopes and dreams for TBC anniversary.
Speaker 1: What we're playing, what we hope to achieve is a raid.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll discuss things like, hey, hard res items,
Speaker 1: what are we going to hard reds? What kind of
Speaker 1: people do you think they should go to? Hey, what
Speaker 1: loot system are we going to adopt? Well, I've already
Speaker 1: made my mind up on that, but I still want
Speaker 1: to discuss it with the guys for feedback, so well,
Speaker 1: iron out the kinks in this call on just the
Speaker 1: general rating setup for countdown moving forward. Now, I appreciate
Speaker 1: that not everyone here on the call today may necessarily
Speaker 1: wind up rating you know, irl happens, that's all fine,
Speaker 1: But for the most part, a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: will be there with us as we go through the
Speaker 1: content in TBC. So like, basically, I'm just letting you
Speaker 1: guys be a fly on the wall, on the outside
Speaker 1: looking in, hearing how this guild comes together. But I
Speaker 1: don't want you to feel like you have to be
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in, Because obviously, if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast, you are part of the Countdown community.
Speaker 1: We would love nothing more than to bring you into
Speaker 1: the fold. So while you're going to hear two raid
Speaker 1: teams that I've basically set up over the last forty
Speaker 1: eight hours, there's a couple of slots that will advertise
Speaker 1: for through the call that you'll hear. But I don't
Speaker 1: want you to think, oh shit, Countdown sorted. Now I
Speaker 1: can't raid with the Countdown crew. No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: I've put together two raid teams with not that much
Speaker 1: effort in about seventy two hours. So I dare say
Speaker 1: when I publish this podcast, more of you will come
Speaker 1: out of the weeds and say, hey, I want to
Speaker 1: raid with Countdown people. So let's work on building a
Speaker 1: third team. You know, I won't say three, four, five,
Speaker 1: let's just start on number three. See if number three
Speaker 1: fills out. So all of you listening at home that
Speaker 1: want to raid, and I mean regularly raid, not just
Speaker 1: like you know once every month as a pug raid,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll have plenty of those guys that there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. That's fine, But if you did
Speaker 1: have dreams of regularly raiding on dream size hoored with us.
Speaker 1: Please join the discord and tag and yell out. I
Speaker 1: am rostering everyone and putting this shit together. I need
Speaker 1: you to help me, help you, because we can build
Speaker 1: something beautiful here at Countdown, have it and just have
Speaker 1: Like I sort of have framed it to the guys
Speaker 1: as something as consider it halfway between a z guild
Speaker 1: and a regular serious guild. So you've got your sweaty
Speaker 1: regular guilds that have one raid team and do their thing.
Speaker 1: We're not those guys. We're not meta focused. We're not
Speaker 1: a small guild. We can't bring you that experience. But
Speaker 1: then on the other end, while we are a large guild,
Speaker 1: we're not the zer guild full of fuck with who
Speaker 1: don't know each other, five six, seven hundred people in
Speaker 1: the guild, everyone dropping and changing every day of the week.
Speaker 1: They're not a real guild. It's fucking bullshit. I hate
Speaker 1: that shit. We are something halfway between where we're going
Speaker 1: to be a very large guild. There's already two hundred
Speaker 1: people in the guild before pre patches even launched. You know,
Speaker 1: I imagine that's going to go up significantly once people
Speaker 1: get into pre patch and start boosting, so we'll get
Speaker 1: more people. Well, I'm sure we'll have pug rades going
Speaker 1: for the casuals, and I'm sure that we'll get more
Speaker 1: serious raid opportunity to open up for the people that
Speaker 1: want that. So contact me if you want to raid
Speaker 1: seriously and let me know and we'll sort it out.
Speaker 1: And as always, keep an eye on the discord notifications.
Speaker 1: All right, Having said all that, let's throw it open
Speaker 1: to this motley crew of dustardly raiders. You know, these
Speaker 1: are the personalities you're going to hear on the show
Speaker 1: for the next six months, doing things like raid breakdowns,
Speaker 1: kangaroo courts, laughs and smiles, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll be putting up YouTube content featuring these guys, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So the guys who there are
Speaker 1: two raid teams at the moment, the guys who are
Speaker 1: on my raid team, you know, their raids will be
Speaker 1: thrown up on YouTube. I will, if I have the time,
Speaker 1: edit them down for a more comedic, condensed version. So
Speaker 1: we'll try and make some of these guys well famous.
Speaker 1: We'll all have a bit of a laugh, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just about having a good time. With the right
Speaker 1: kind of people, and I'll introduce some of those people
Speaker 1: to you right now. So, guys, what I want to do,
Speaker 1: if you will humor me slightly, let's because there's quite
Speaker 1: a few of us. Let's do this in like, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty seconds or less. I just want to
Speaker 1: go down the list and I want you to introduce yourselves,
Speaker 1: tell people what you're playing, and I want them to
Speaker 1: tell a little bit about you as your much as
Speaker 1: you're willing to publish on a global podcast. So you know,
Speaker 1: I might say, Hi, my name's Josh, I'm forty three
Speaker 1: years old, I run Away Podcasts and from Brisbane, Australia,
Speaker 1: playing a Fury Warrior and you know this is my
Speaker 1: third time round on TBC. Can't wait to get in
Speaker 1: with you. Guys. I love fucking heroics. Blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Just give me as much info as you're
Speaker 1: willing to publicly get out there so people get to
Speaker 1: know a bit more about you, because your fellow raiders
Speaker 1: who aren't here but listen back to this podcast might
Speaker 1: want to hear it and get to know you a
Speaker 1: bit better. So Axel, if you would please do us
Speaker 1: the honors in about thirty seconds or less. Mate, tell
Speaker 1: us who you are and what you're about.
Speaker 3: Let's see thirty five. You get father to a young child,
Speaker 3: which is my main focus right now, recent transplant from
Speaker 3: US to EU. I'm going to be playing either an
Speaker 3: our team age, which you've already got leveled, or maybe
Speaker 3: an enhancement Shaman if I can get that one leveled
Speaker 3: in time. And I have not really played much of
Speaker 3: TVC outside of leveling through it one time, so I
Speaker 3: don't know any of the raids, so and I've made
Speaker 3: cook On out of my way to best not spoil
Speaker 3: as much as I can.
Speaker 1: Very good, though, all right, cost it yourself, hit us
Speaker 1: all right?
Speaker 9: Forty seven, lived in the Midwest and in the USA.
Speaker 9: I've got one kid who is much like actual primary
Speaker 9: focus for me. I've been a part of the wild
Speaker 9: community since Vanilla initially bounced around a lot, you know,
Speaker 9: and I've as the name states, I am a mage.
Speaker 9: I've been a mage for twenty years, so very good.
Speaker 1: Five shot mate, you been with us for years? Tell
Speaker 1: us more about you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been playing since Vanilla, and I've been part
Speaker 7: of the Countdown crew as it were, since I think
Speaker 7: just before TBC, I did the one of the road calls.
Speaker 7: I'm thirty seven years old. I've always made a rogue
Speaker 7: and been making PvP videos since back in the day.
Speaker 7: I don't really anymore, but currently I'm in a band,
Speaker 7: I'm on three hockey teams, and so I just want
Speaker 7: to kick it back raid once a week with these
Speaker 7: fine gentlemen. As an affliction, Warlock can give the lucky
Speaker 7: Raid a cursive elements.
Speaker 1: Beautiful. That's the kind of info I want. Boys. What
Speaker 1: are you playing the band?
Speaker 8: Five? Lead guitar?
Speaker 1: Very good? And what position do you play in? Hockey?
Speaker 4: Center?
Speaker 8: Left wing?
Speaker 1: Very very good? All right, Jordan, do you want to
Speaker 1: get in on this?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 1: I know you're not on one of the right teams,
Speaker 1: but you want to raid with some of the pugs,
Speaker 1: maybe through with countdown?
Speaker 11: Sure?
Speaker 8: Sure, yes.
Speaker 12: I'm a thirty four year old engineer from North Carolina.
Speaker 12: Also have a one year old, which is why I'm
Speaker 12: not planning on being on the Raid team. Unfortunately, she's
Speaker 12: quite a handful. But TBC is my favorite expansion, been
Speaker 12: playing since two thousand and five and having played it
Speaker 12: twice now I can say for sure it's the best one.
Speaker 12: So really looking forward to that. We'll certainly be jumping
Speaker 12: in some caras with you guys.
Speaker 1: Very good. Can we move on to the if you
Speaker 1: don't mind me saying the actually named green? Right, what
Speaker 1: about your.
Speaker 13: I'm a stoner dad from Texas named green?
Speaker 14: You know?
Speaker 13: Fits played a lot of Wow. I did a lot
Speaker 13: of rating in SOD. I played SOD like the whole
Speaker 13: way through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell them, tell them what you told me before
Speaker 1: we started recording about how many SOOD profession people you've got.
Speaker 7: Oh, it was ridiculous.
Speaker 13: So I had a shaman tank and I boosted ten
Speaker 13: characters to just be dual leatherworking tailoring and just had
Speaker 13: all those cool downs.
Speaker 1: I got like ten k golder, you fucking degenerate. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it all right, anything, tell us
Speaker 1: anything more about you before I pass it over?
Speaker 5: Uh, sell snack foods for a living.
Speaker 13: If I got some kids, they they take up a
Speaker 13: lot of time.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 13: Just kind of chilling with the boys right now.
Speaker 1: That's the way, all right, Grimwaw throw it over to you,
Speaker 1: my man.
Speaker 8: Hey.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've been you know, listening for a long time,
Speaker 15: so I'm excited to get in here and hang out
Speaker 15: with you guys and do some rating, but I'll be
Speaker 15: probably playing a maje or palade and I guess, but
Speaker 15: I'm pretty new to WOW. Really, I've kind of just
Speaker 15: started with twenty eighteen Classic, but I played SOD quite
Speaker 15: a bit. That's where I really got into it was
Speaker 15: in SOD. So this is my first time around in TBC.
Speaker 15: Excited to see these have never been in Carozone or
Speaker 15: anything after that.
Speaker 1: Oh exciting, very exciting. Now, mate, you don't have to say,
Speaker 1: but out of interest, what part of the world are
Speaker 1: you from'm I'm sure if you.
Speaker 8: Said I'm American? I I live in Utah.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. Now the fucking the troublemaker himself, Marcus,
Speaker 1: What have we not heard from you over all these
Speaker 1: years that the good people should know?
Speaker 14: I turned forty yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's relatively new birthday.
Speaker 14: May I'm a Yes, I'm a forty year old mechanical fitter.
Speaker 14: And yeah, I've played a lot of Wow. This will
Speaker 14: actually be my third time through the Burning Crusade, so
Speaker 14: I've been around for a while, but this time it
Speaker 14: is Resto Druid. That's the one that was locked in yesterday,
Speaker 14: and I think that's probably the best choice for me
Speaker 14: and the guild. Really, there's a lot of majors. There's
Speaker 14: not a lot of druids.
Speaker 7: I like the heel and rest I drew. It is
Speaker 7: just absolutely cracked.
Speaker 1: You know how. You know how I know we're rating
Speaker 1: with the right pack of counts markers because you just
Speaker 1: said it was your birthday and fucking not one of
Speaker 1: them outside of me said happy birthday.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, classy, it's actually it's actually probably still my
Speaker 14: birthday for some of these Yanks, you know, because like
Speaker 14: they're back in time, aren't they.
Speaker 1: So that's the second way. That's the way Classic countdown.
Speaker 1: All right, lads, hit us mate.
Speaker 8: I'm just here to wish Marcus a happy birthday.
Speaker 1: Ah, here you go. Now, so that that crawling that.
Speaker 8: I'm a forty one year old lawyer in the United States,
Speaker 8: and I plead wow very casually, Vanilla threw Wrath and
Speaker 8: I quit, and then I came back for Classic, mostly
Speaker 8: because I was listening to your podcast, asked from uh
Speaker 8: actually probably about a year before Classic even released, or
Speaker 8: a couple of months, and then I played Paladin Classic
Speaker 8: through Wrath played SOD, I was made a prot Pali
Speaker 8: and uh so I'm coming back for coming back for TBC.
Speaker 8: I played Epoch, I joined the Countdown crew in Epoch.
Speaker 8: Uh with you guys, had a great time, and uh,
Speaker 8: coming back for TBC for the third time now.
Speaker 1: Very good, Very good? All right, we move on. Mackotsu
Speaker 1: hit me.
Speaker 16: Hey, I'm I'm maggot to you, guys. Just call me Mac.
Speaker 16: I'm twenty eight, eleve in Las Vegas. I've been playing
Speaker 16: Wow for way too long, since i was seven years old,
Speaker 16: and I'm just excited to vibe with the boys in TBC.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 3: If you don't pal being the youngest well player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say you might be the youngest
Speaker 1: in Yeah, and uh, I've always been the youngest in Wow.
Speaker 16: So I guess I'm just used to it. I'll be,
Speaker 16: I'll be when I'm forty. Else I'll be the youngest
Speaker 16: well player.
Speaker 8: Huh.
Speaker 1: Very good. Mat, I'll getting, I'll getting, And you don't
Speaker 1: have to answer if you don't want to. As we
Speaker 1: say in Australia, what do you do for a crust?
Speaker 1: Which means what do you do for work?
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm just delivering for Amazon.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, and what I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: what other bit of info can we get out of
Speaker 1: you that tells us a bit more about you. Do
Speaker 1: you play sports?
Speaker 16: Not in a while, but I used to play basketball. Oh,
Speaker 16: my man, basketball when I was younger. Watch I know
Speaker 16: my attention span so Fried, I can't sit down anymore.
Speaker 1: That's all good, that's all good. And so you might
Speaker 1: have said, what do you what are you playing? What class?
Speaker 1: What was that? What class are you playing?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm playing a fiery Warrior.
Speaker 16: I'm just another dirty Warrior player.
Speaker 1: There you go. That's the way, all right now, Mazie,
Speaker 1: I believe is driving with Yak. So we'll come back
Speaker 1: to them later. Let's throw it over to oh Marcus,
Speaker 1: one of your favorites, Moose person.
Speaker 17: Hey there, Yeah, I'm a thirty eight year old father
Speaker 17: too as well. I actually have played well since Vanilla
Speaker 17: ironically quit in TVC after it basically ruined my college career.
Speaker 17: I came back and started playing sides. When I found
Speaker 17: the podcast, I pretty much bounced around. I feel like
Speaker 17: through all the versions of the game that this podcast
Speaker 17: has told me was the best version to play at
Speaker 17: that moment that I'm here.
Speaker 1: Shots fired. I love it. Very good, very good. Now,
Speaker 1: what was I going to say, Let's throw it over more?
Speaker 1: You've just joined, so listen to what we're doing, and
Speaker 1: then I'll bring you back into the mix very soon.
Speaker 1: We'll throw it over to og Pube Sniffer, who has
Speaker 1: been voted already by the guild as having the best
Speaker 1: to name.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and definitely one of my favorites.
Speaker 8: Yes, I appreciate that.
Speaker 18: I'm thirty five. I'm from I live in a small
Speaker 18: town called Selfoss. I'm just a delivery driver for a
Speaker 18: media company, Icelandic Media Company.
Speaker 8: I used to play.
Speaker 18: Basketball when I was younger. I was a high jumper mainly.
Speaker 18: Now I just do some weightlifting.
Speaker 8: There no kids my life.
Speaker 1: Green's a high jumper. Green's a high jumper, aren't you Green?
Speaker 8: I don't jump?
Speaker 1: Sorry dad, humor all right, no kids, Free to wow
Speaker 1: as much as you want.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I've played well since the original TBC, but I
Speaker 18: never really rate it. So I'm looking forward to bringing
Speaker 18: a subpower rogue play to the guild here.
Speaker 1: Well made you? You and I were. I think we're
Speaker 1: on the outside here where the outside is, because we're
Speaker 1: going to have to go and fucking, I don't know,
Speaker 1: steal some kids. Or something to feed into this guild.
Speaker 8: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: We'll have the fucking the No Kids Club over in
Speaker 1: the corner. All right, sales guy mate hit does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, uh so, I'm thirty two years old. I'm
Speaker 4: from Texas in the United States. I also do not
Speaker 4: have kids, but I am married to a beautiful woman
Speaker 4: for about two years now. I sell medical devices, so
Speaker 4: that's hence hence the name I played. Let's see, I
Speaker 4: played Vanilla Wow as about a ten or eleven year
Speaker 4: old back in the day. Played Restro rest O Shaman
Speaker 4: on the classic re release up until about about the
Speaker 4: beginning of Wrath, and I'm doing a feral Druid this
Speaker 4: time around, so looking forward to maybe throwing some tank
Speaker 4: runs in some dps.
Speaker 1: Very good, All right, Seg, we'll throw it to you.
Speaker 1: You're not signing up to the full time raid team.
Speaker 1: You'll just be available for pugs. But for anyone who
Speaker 1: has not listened to the podcast before and hasn't caught
Speaker 1: Seg on the podcast before, I won't spoil it by
Speaker 1: telling you where he's from, You'll just have to guess.
Speaker 19: See, kid us, I can't wait to see how many
Speaker 19: people get this fucking wrong. It's but uh yeah, forty
Speaker 19: years old. I have two kids. I run my own
Speaker 19: barbecue food truck business. Been playing Wow since the very beginning,
Speaker 19: uh once Josh came out with Countdown to Classic. I've
Speaker 19: been listening since the very beginning. And I've been lucky
Speaker 19: enough to make friends with a lot of these guys
Speaker 19: throughout the year.
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa whoa whoa? Friends is a very loaded word,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 19: We'll say acquaintment, acquaintance with you know, most of these
Speaker 19: guys very good. You know, I'm a self proclaimed legend
Speaker 19: in my own right.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, we're all We're all friends here, brother,
Speaker 1: We're all friends. Sorry, you're going to finish up.
Speaker 19: I'm not just saying, you know, I'm excited that TBC
Speaker 19: was like my favorite expansion of the game, and it's
Speaker 19: where I first got my reading career started thirty fucking
Speaker 19: years ago when we decided to throw my life away
Speaker 19: playing this game.
Speaker 1: That's the way. That's so all right? So here, I
Speaker 1: am very good. TAXI hit us.
Speaker 20: Okay, guys, I'm a twenty nine year old public servant
Speaker 20: bean counter from Western Australia.
Speaker 4: I'm a new dad. I'm a new dad.
Speaker 20: Got a four month old baby, so the Sunday Raids
Speaker 20: actually six am for me.
Speaker 7: In wa, which works out pretty well.
Speaker 20: I'm a catter baby, but I fell in love with
Speaker 20: Classic in twenty nineteen. Last time TBC came around, I
Speaker 20: was a shadow priest and my guild fell apart on
Speaker 20: pre nerve SSC and TK, so came to try out
Speaker 20: Black Temple and Sunwell eventually, and up until yesterday, I
Speaker 20: was going to play Resto Druid, but now jumping into
Speaker 20: Ferrel and came to give that a crack.
Speaker 1: All right, Tarry yak, you're an Irish piece of shit
Speaker 1: who I'm going to skip over. I can say that
Speaker 1: because I'm a quarter of Irish. Will come back to you, mate,
Speaker 1: more more. I presume you get the gist of what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Do you want to hit us up with
Speaker 1: an introduction to you?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Absolutely.
Speaker 21: I'm from Florida. I've been playing Wild for way too
Speaker 21: damn long. I've been playing well since Original Vanilla back
Speaker 21: in the day.
Speaker 4: Have one son. I am a veterinarian.
Speaker 1: I've been why why don't you sorry, can I interrupt?
Speaker 1: Why don't you live down the Why don't you live
Speaker 1: down the road from me? You'd be my best friend.
Speaker 1: I've got five fucking animals. I need the discounts, baby.
Speaker 7: Hook you up if you come over to Florida.
Speaker 21: Hell, yes, you're You're a little far from me now,
Speaker 21: but yeah, I've been healing the majority of my time.
Speaker 21: And wow, I played a pretty much every year, played
Speaker 21: S O D and I messed around on the park
Speaker 21: full of litle bit when you guys started playing that
Speaker 21: and uh yeah, just looking forward to reading with you guys.
Speaker 1: Mate, you have just signed up to the monthly d
Speaker 1: M from Josh saying quick more my dog just started
Speaker 1: a little too aggressively. What do I do?
Speaker 21: Yeah, I get plenty of those text message.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. I'll leave you.
Speaker 21: Make sure miss mister mister Mintens doesn't keep on eating
Speaker 21: charcoal or whatever.
Speaker 1: That exactly exactly all right. We've got a couple more
Speaker 1: Noubshi are you is your mic working or maybe not?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I might leave it if you're on mute,
Speaker 1: that's okay. And the last one we'll do is the
Speaker 1: fucking the giant piece of shit himself, Vestige may tell
Speaker 1: us more about you. Oh thanks for that introduction.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thirty eight year old tax account in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 5: I'm also state investor and a dad from Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 5: I played in Original Vanilla and the OG TBC, but
Speaker 5: I never cleared past he far tier five. I didn't
Speaker 5: play in TBC Classics. I missed that I'll be playing
Speaker 5: a shadow Priest. I'll be last in DPS and first
Speaker 5: in your Shadow bolt Heart and yeah.
Speaker 1: Very good. Well look, and if I've missed anyone who's
Speaker 1: regularly rating with us, yell out. But I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that's it. So obviously, you know, we've got, as I said, guys,
Speaker 1: we've got two raid teams going fifty people. You didn't
Speaker 1: just hear from fifty people, but we got the people
Speaker 1: that turned up to the first meeting, and the rest
Speaker 1: of them will listened back once I published the podcast.
Speaker 1: But we've got a good sort of selection of the
Speaker 1: guildies here. So what I'm planning to do, guys, is,
Speaker 1: you know, open this up. I don't just want this
Speaker 1: to be me talking at you. We're all here, We're
Speaker 1: all just you know, open to discussing what our like
Speaker 1: I said, hopes and dreams are for the guild moving forward.
Speaker 1: But also I will be reaching out to you guys
Speaker 1: as the world listens in for advice and guidance as
Speaker 1: I lead a guild for the first time. I'm being
Speaker 1: very open with the fact that I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck I'm doing, never done this before. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make mistakes, but I'm I'm very open to feedback. So
Speaker 1: whilst don't get me wrong, you will absolutely be ruled
Speaker 1: by an iron fist. That iron fist will come accompanied
Speaker 1: with a gentle, open ear. So I hope does that
Speaker 1: sound about right? Lads? Am I doing it right?
Speaker 22: A benevolent iron fist?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Doing great, exactly exactly, Tarry Act, do you have
Speaker 1: faith in me moving forward as a first time guild leader?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I.
Speaker 22: Said, I kind of misread the prompt. I don't like
Speaker 22: we're time on TVC because I have a different girl Bore.
Speaker 22: Like I said, in terms of the aspect, I think
Speaker 22: for TBC there's a lot of stuff like with the
Speaker 22: guild blinkards kinds of which should make it easier. So
Speaker 22: like you have my confidence despite the factor austral In which,
Speaker 22: like I said, used to be a prison camp, I
Speaker 22: wouldn't really trust you.
Speaker 6: I'll just kind of.
Speaker 1: Thing very good, very good so much. Oh mate, well
Speaker 1: he has to be n now I've dropped the bit
Speaker 1: of Josh law on him that I'm a carterer irish.
Speaker 1: He's got to be nice to me, all right. So
Speaker 1: I will admit put opinion the guild bank stuff because
Speaker 1: I want to bring that up later in the podcast,
Speaker 1: because that is one area of guild management that's, as
Speaker 1: you all know who played with us in Epoch, that
Speaker 1: I am fucking clueless about and I really need to
Speaker 1: be educated on how a good guild bank is run
Speaker 1: and managed. Guys. Here's what we're going to do. I
Speaker 1: want to start. I'm going to start off with reading
Speaker 1: the rosters to everyone listening in, and we're going to
Speaker 1: discuss how you guys feel about your raid makeup at
Speaker 1: this point. Keeping in mind all your listeners at home,
Speaker 1: I've very much said to the guys, look, as I
Speaker 1: brefaced at the top of this podcast, it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: a shock The countdown is not a meta guild whereabout
Speaker 1: vibes and people over performance. Having said that, I'm trying
Speaker 1: not to compose stupid raids. I'm not being dumb and
Speaker 1: being like, you know, here's fucking sixteen warriors and two
Speaker 1: healers and a tank like you know, I'm trying my
Speaker 1: best with rostering, with people's availability, with what they want
Speaker 1: to play, to make it work as a halfway point
Speaker 1: between a meta raid and a fucking like abomination of
Speaker 1: a raid that should never have been composed. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: happy with how these two raids have come together so far.
Speaker 1: There still works in progress. Everything I'm going to say
Speaker 1: to you and read to you is not set in stone.
Speaker 1: I've no doubt people will come, keep people will go
Speaker 1: over the next fourth five six weeks. But this is
Speaker 1: a really good framework that we've got moving forward. So
Speaker 1: I shall begin and we'll coordinate with the Friday Team first,
Speaker 1: and what we'll be doing is I'll read you the
Speaker 1: names and then we'll sort of work out amongst yourselves
Speaker 1: who maybe wants to put their hand up for a
Speaker 1: little bit of a leadership role within that guild, and
Speaker 1: how you guys want to deal with your loot and whatnot. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is the roster as we have it at
Speaker 1: the moment, guys on Friday, and sorry, I will say
Speaker 1: as well, this Friday Team, guys, this is a raid
Speaker 1: team that will launch at ten pm Eastern time. Friday
Speaker 1: or convert for all of you guys around the world.
Speaker 1: That means seven o'clock Pacific, That means sorry, nine o'clock Central.
Speaker 1: I believe that means four am Europe. That means two
Speaker 1: pm on a Saturday for Oceania. And yeah, so you
Speaker 1: know when I talk about this Ray team, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about some opens. There's about potentially you know, two, three,
Speaker 1: four open slots. If what they need intrigues you as
Speaker 1: a listener and that time slot works out for you,
Speaker 1: please reach out to either laz or I or anyone
Speaker 1: from this team. Did you hear on this conversation to proceed?
Speaker 1: All your Saturday guys sit tight, although you can obviously
Speaker 1: chime in on what the Friday team is doing too.
Speaker 1: I don't care, but we'll get to us soon. All right.
Speaker 1: Introducing your main tank and as of right now, only tank.
Speaker 1: We're looking for a second one Protection Palade and Lazarus.
Speaker 1: The two heelers. We have arrest O Shaman Cred. We
Speaker 1: have a restoration druid rasp Berbarius, ten Malay dps composed
Speaker 1: of two Enhand Sharman mix and Ham. Two feral druids
Speaker 1: Kilixer and Sales Guy, four Fury Warriors campcy Makatu, Iconoclastic
Speaker 1: and Ubiquitous, a combat rogue in Schmik, and a Retribution
Speaker 1: Paladin in Lily. Now we have eight range tps signed
Speaker 1: up so far. Your Shadow Priest, Vestige, your Elemental Shaman,
Speaker 1: Easy two Destruction Warlocks, Pro and Mooseperson two Beast Master Hunters,
Speaker 1: Terra Blades and Juice Box, and an Arcane Mage in
Speaker 1: cast it Yourself. So if you're doing your maths at home,
Speaker 1: that is twenty one people signed up to the Friday
Speaker 1: Red so far. They are currently looking for a tank
Speaker 1: and three healers. Now bear in mind, I am waiting
Speaker 1: to hear back from a couple of healers who haven't
Speaker 1: got back to me yet. They might be away for holidays.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure over the New Year's period, but that's
Speaker 1: how we stand at the moment. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: throw it open to the Friday team. We'll start with you, Laz.
Speaker 1: Tell me about your general feelings about the makeup of
Speaker 1: that roster up to this point.
Speaker 8: I think it's great. I was hoping both of our
Speaker 8: ferohs would be willing to tank. Maybe not full time,
Speaker 8: but you know, whenever needed, and maybe a couple of
Speaker 8: our Fury warriors wouldn't mind throwing on a shield if
Speaker 8: we need a fourth tank. I don't need them to
Speaker 8: expect for it. But there's like one fight in particular
Speaker 8: and SSC where you need four tanks.
Speaker 1: Now, Uh, well, we've got sales guy here who's already
Speaker 1: put his hand up, I believe lovingly to jump into
Speaker 1: bare form occasionally when required. Is that right, sales?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm definitely down to uh to tank some
Speaker 4: of this.
Speaker 8: There you go, quick take the goodness.
Speaker 1: Take that audio sndle and never let go of it.
Speaker 1: Las play that back to him incessantly when he tries
Speaker 1: to duck out on it.
Speaker 8: The good news is you don't need to change your
Speaker 8: spec or your gear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what I signed up for.
Speaker 1: Perfect. He understands the assignment. I fucking love it. So look,
Speaker 1: it's one of those situations, lads, where you might have
Speaker 1: a few guys willing to do that. It's not all
Speaker 1: necessarily just on sales guys. Shoulders. Ubiquitous has said that he's,
Speaker 1: you know, he's tank curious through TBC as a Fury warrior,
Speaker 1: so he might throw on a shield occasionally. And help
Speaker 1: you out. As you say, You've got the other feral
Speaker 1: druid there in Kilixo, who's not on the court at
Speaker 1: the moment, but might also be a bit of a
Speaker 1: team player willing to do it. And you've got three
Speaker 1: other Fury warriors who are perfectly capable of throwing on
Speaker 1: a shield if I has to do so. Although I
Speaker 1: think we said Makatu, did you say you're already committed
Speaker 1: to DPS.
Speaker 8: Yes, but you know I'm down to help out the
Speaker 8: boys too. Every once a.
Speaker 1: While I can't even spell shield fuck you.
Speaker 16: Yeah, My sheeld macros consistently don't work because I always
Speaker 16: forgot to spell.
Speaker 1: It exactly exactly. Well, we'll open up to the crowd.
Speaker 1: So everyone here who I named in the Friday team
Speaker 1: first in best dressed guys, this is your chance to
Speaker 1: talk amongst yourself, get to know each other. That The
Speaker 1: general open question is be honest with me if you
Speaker 1: if you think I have fucked you here, please don't
Speaker 1: be shy and saying so, how do you feel about
Speaker 1: your raid composition?
Speaker 9: I just think it's great. I mean, there's there's a
Speaker 9: whole lot of different mixture in there. You know, it's
Speaker 9: not your generalized let's go to Wildhead and have a
Speaker 9: look to see what the raid makeup should be, you know,
Speaker 9: and you know after you know, like our like I
Speaker 9: said before, with our PTR experience with Kara, with a
Speaker 9: hodgepodge of you know, people put together, it's it's doable.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's post nerve.
Speaker 1: So I mean, well that that's been, that's been something
Speaker 1: that's come up a bunch over the last couple of days.
Speaker 1: Is like, I think people are under selling what post
Speaker 1: nerve Cara feels like. And with with all respect to
Speaker 1: Phase two and Phase three, yes, I understand Vash is coming. Yes,
Speaker 1: sounderstand KT is coming, Black Temple things will be a
Speaker 1: different story. Phase one is supposed to be a cake walk.
Speaker 1: Josh totally get that. But for Phase one, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm insane for saying it doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 9: Right exactly, And that's that's the best thing about that is,
Speaker 9: you know, I think honestly, car is probably the one
Speaker 9: raid from TBC that if you did play TBC, whether
Speaker 9: it was you know, the first time around there second
Speaker 9: time around, everybody for the most part's done it. Minus
Speaker 9: a couple of people I know, but it's not a
Speaker 9: it's not a smash your head against the door trying
Speaker 9: to figure it out type of a you know raid.
Speaker 9: So you know, and and everybody's gonna, you know, look
Speaker 9: at us and go for Fury Warriors. Yeah, why not?
Speaker 9: Like it's not hard, you know. That's this is an
Speaker 9: introduction to you know, the New Classic Expansion Anniversary, and
Speaker 9: I think we'll be fine.
Speaker 1: That's what I fucking like to hear. That's why you're
Speaker 1: a fucking countdown man. Promote this, man, somebody, I want
Speaker 1: to fucking hear that for Fury Warriors. I don't want
Speaker 1: you to say why. I want you to say, why not?
Speaker 1: Fuck it? Yes, all right, Vestige, let me throw it well, yeah, man, Vestige,
Speaker 1: let me throw it over to you. Mate. You guys
Speaker 1: have had no input on any of this. These rosters
Speaker 1: are completely of my own making. As I say, I
Speaker 1: haven't selected like a meta. I've just gone by availability.
Speaker 1: Were you pleasantly surprised or you know, left wanting a
Speaker 1: little bit by the makeup of this rostar? I thought
Speaker 1: there would.
Speaker 5: Be more Warlocks. Honestly, same, I'm surprised. I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: happy it's not like fifty Warlocks. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: I just thought everybody's going to be like, Oh, we're
Speaker 5: gonna meta scheme this thing out of fun, so.
Speaker 1: That the warlocks in the Mages disappeared.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and no boomies. I know, booms not like the
Speaker 5: most played thing, but I'm surprised there wasn't one between
Speaker 5: the both the groups.
Speaker 1: I did anticipate a lack of boomese, but it's it
Speaker 1: is surprising to say literally not one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought somebody would do a memespec just for fun.
Speaker 1: Is anybody is anybody here in this call, whether you're
Speaker 1: rating with us or not planning on being a fucking
Speaker 1: burmkin at any stage?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll have an all book.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, king amongst men.
Speaker 23: I played on last time around, and I think they're
Speaker 23: quite fun. I liked it better than Ferrell for leveling.
Speaker 23: If you like dungeon spamming, I think it's a lot
Speaker 23: better for as a DPS class.
Speaker 9: I mean, you got your you got your boomkin, I
Speaker 9: mean five percent. I mean it's a big, big deal.
Speaker 1: It's a very big deal. I mean I wouldn't fucking
Speaker 1: sneeze it an, I'll tell you that much. So let
Speaker 1: me throw it over to mooseperson and ask you the
Speaker 1: same question. Are you happy with your little raid composition? There? Mate?
Speaker 8: I am happy with it.
Speaker 17: You told me I would be special if I played Warlock,
Speaker 17: and it looks like I am at least fifty percent special.
Speaker 1: That's the way. Did you think? Did you think you'd
Speaker 1: be swimming in a sea of warlocks?
Speaker 5: It did kind of seem like that, But yeah, like,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 17: I've also sort of looked at all the classes with
Speaker 17: thinking everybody was going to play different things like whoever
Speaker 17: I saw online? I thought I would play another class too,
Speaker 17: But I don't know if I'm going to deal with
Speaker 17: leveling again after I've re experienced.
Speaker 1: This very good, very good? Now, laz, do you anticipate
Speaker 1: any dramas tanking for this multly crew?
Speaker 8: Now? I think it's gonna be great. We're gonna uh.
Speaker 8: I love the work in like multiple people. Who Ever
Speaker 8: wants an opportunity to tank, I'm happy to teach him
Speaker 8: about a lot of experience. And I've tanked a Warrior
Speaker 8: and Palada, and don't we have much experience on a Druid,
Speaker 8: But I've tanked with druids and know how to work together.
Speaker 8: So you know people who want to GPS primarily but
Speaker 8: are willing to, you know, help out. I promise I
Speaker 8: won't make you tank every single time, and uh you know,
Speaker 8: we'll get well, we'll work in whoever wants to get
Speaker 8: a chance.
Speaker 1: Very good. Macott two, have you got your macro ready
Speaker 1: to go to scream at one of you? Two enhanced
Speaker 1: Shaman to drop wing Fury.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I just wrote it.
Speaker 1: Very good?
Speaker 8: Is it?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: How many counts does it? Having it all of them?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 16: I just went down the list, copy pasted all their
Speaker 16: names and good, even if they're not my group?
Speaker 1: Excellent?
Speaker 5: Is it just is it just key bound to storm strike.
Speaker 16: It's it's just keep on everything one through four and
Speaker 16: on the.
Speaker 1: You have bloodthirst will weened Heroics strike everything, Wind.
Speaker 16: Furyury, execute my rage pot all of it.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good.
Speaker 8: Now, Look I can plain, gosh, yeah, please please everyone?
Speaker 8: Can I complain?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 8: Some priests?
Speaker 1: Well yeah I would. That was That was my next question.
Speaker 1: Is we're staring at four open slots for you, and
Speaker 1: because we're now at the point where the rosters have
Speaker 1: mostly been filled out and you can we can be
Speaker 1: a little bit maybe maybe we can be a little
Speaker 1: bit choosy here, depending on who gets back to us
Speaker 1: after this podcast. You got four slots, one tank, three
Speaker 1: healers left to fill. What would you like that you
Speaker 1: don't have?
Speaker 8: So I sent your h such a DM and the
Speaker 8: I could probably use a holy paladin, holy priest.
Speaker 1: Maybe, well we are we are waiting. There's a couple
Speaker 1: of holy priests that have signed up but haven't got
Speaker 1: back to me yet, so I anticipate them hopefully saying
Speaker 1: yeap Friday, no worries, Broom, you've got one or two
Speaker 1: Holy priest.
Speaker 8: Yeah, would be good. Whatever, we'll make it work on.
Speaker 8: Maybe a survival hunter, maybe an affliction warlock, I think would.
Speaker 1: Be good to go, very good, very good. Well wait,
Speaker 1: so well I think you're done for DPS. That's the
Speaker 1: only problem because, like I said, you need I know
Speaker 1: you don't need a dedicated tank for phase one, but
Speaker 1: you will need one for phase two onwards, So you
Speaker 1: still need a dedicated tank in there from the outset
Speaker 1: to sort of gear them up and develop that relationship.
Speaker 1: So that's one slot gone. Then you got three heelers
Speaker 1: and everything else is gone unless you want a four heeler,
Speaker 1: which he said you don't want to do, right, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 9: Why don't forget a man though, we need a dedicated tank.
Speaker 1: For card exactly. Yeah, you need the second tank course.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so definitely, yeah, I mean I definitely we
Speaker 8: we get three heel phase four, but I don't want
Speaker 8: to because we have you know, maybe we might have
Speaker 8: pre nerve tier five and tier six and son. Well,
Speaker 8: so I want to get used to five healing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I definitely.
Speaker 1: Need Okay, so you'd prefer.
Speaker 8: I didn't necessarily say all those things, but you know
Speaker 8: those are the things that we No.
Speaker 1: No, that's okay.
Speaker 8: Probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're full of melee. You got ten melee. So
Speaker 1: you'd love a holy paladin. You'd love to holy priests.
Speaker 1: If you have to pick a tank, you would want to.
Speaker 8: Faire arrest arresto shaman. Yeah, arrest shaman. That'd be fine. Yeah. Basically,
Speaker 8: takes are all good like player over class, what comes
Speaker 8: to healer?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, all good? All right, Well look here's
Speaker 1: the next big question for you, and this is where
Speaker 1: I want to hear from all of you guys, not
Speaker 1: just saying sorry, I am directing a lot of questions
Speaker 1: at lads, but I don't I don't necessarily want to.
Speaker 1: And this is where you guys have to sort this
Speaker 1: out amongst yourselves, and you don't have to do it today.
Speaker 1: You will have to sort out like you know, a
Speaker 1: bit of a raid leader, a bit of a leadership group.
Speaker 1: So I don't I'm really not intending to give the
Speaker 1: impression that I have like dubbed lads the head of
Speaker 1: this team. If you guys want a different leader, say so.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking to him for now as like a
Speaker 1: stand in. Presumed lads will probably want to take somewhat
Speaker 1: of a leadership role kind of thing. Lads, do you
Speaker 1: want to raid lead or not?
Speaker 8: My preferred role would be like management and like rosters
Speaker 8: and maybe guild bank and you know, just as a tank,
Speaker 8: maybe an assistant lead. Yeah, but I would like to
Speaker 8: have like a kind of a shot caller that's not
Speaker 8: the main tank because it's kind of hard to watch
Speaker 8: everybody else what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 8: I think like I don't mind being the raid leader,
Speaker 8: but I would like someone to either be the main
Speaker 8: or to at least help me out to like shot
Speaker 8: call for that's okay.
Speaker 1: I think I've deliberately like I think the Friday raid
Speaker 1: is a little bit more like serious than the Saturday
Speaker 1: I've sort of dubbed this Saturday raid as the sort
Speaker 1: of more you know, fucking casual, chilled out raid, and
Speaker 1: the Friday raid is only only slightly a little bit
Speaker 1: more into the rating scene. So you've got a few
Speaker 1: guys there who probably won't mind helping you out, Like
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to name names, but I
Speaker 1: can already think of two or three people that'll probably
Speaker 1: be more than fine with going. Yeah, mate, I'll help
Speaker 1: you out making calls, so I wouldn't stress too much
Speaker 1: on that front, but yeah, yeah, I'll leave you guys
Speaker 1: to sort it out amongst yourselves. Then the next big
Speaker 1: question is, so ideally, when you go off, you sort
Speaker 1: of say, look, this personal raid lead, this personal assist
Speaker 1: raid lead. I mean, you guys know how it's fucking done.
Speaker 1: You know, have your little team of four or five
Speaker 1: sort of leaders or whatever, the people I'd like you
Speaker 1: to come up with and tell me if this is
Speaker 1: a good or bad suggestion. Laz, We've talked about the
Speaker 1: sr HR system and guys, just to say it out
Speaker 1: loud again, all Countdown raids will be operating on a
Speaker 1: sorry knee greed plus SR system. The caveat to the
Speaker 1: system is that if you s are one particular item
Speaker 1: or sorry, if you SR items in consecutive weeks without
Speaker 1: breaking the chain, like you have to keep reserving the item,
Speaker 1: you will cumulatively add a plus ten to your role. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to take feedback on that plus ten whether
Speaker 1: you think it should be plus five or a plus fifteen.
Speaker 1: I think plus ten sounds about right. But Laz, does
Speaker 1: that sound about right to you?
Speaker 8: Yeah? That system sounds great to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me explain the reasoning behind the system.
Speaker 1: It's because we're not a fucking hardcore, sweaty gild and
Speaker 1: we are full of you know, adults who are pretty
Speaker 1: mature and aren't going to fucking cry and silk over loose.
Speaker 1: I just thought that that combo of uh, you know roles,
Speaker 1: regular roles need greed and two srs is a good
Speaker 1: fit for us. But it also gives people that chase
Speaker 1: item if they want it, there will be half a
Speaker 1: dozen items hard rest. But if you're like, look, I
Speaker 1: really really really want you know, the first fucking you know,
Speaker 1: nazarethim another zim fucking mind blade or whatever, that drops
Speaker 1: off prints whatever whatever it fucking is, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, or malcazine that drops off prints. If you
Speaker 1: start soft resting that every week, you know by week
Speaker 1: three you've got plus thirty two year roles, which pretty
Speaker 1: much doesn't assure you of it, but is a great
Speaker 1: fucking leg up. It rewards the people who turn up
Speaker 1: continuously and keep reserving the same thing, and not to
Speaker 1: the point that I think it can be abused, you know,
Speaker 1: or anything like that, or used on an item that
Speaker 1: is going to make people upset. Like I said, we're
Speaker 1: putting aside the big ticket items for hard reds.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I want to know from you guys first and foremost,
Speaker 1: I presume, but speak up if not that everyone in
Speaker 1: the raid is okay with that lose system. Is there
Speaker 1: anyone who's you know, really unhappy hearing that? No? Does
Speaker 1: everyone think that you know, just rolls and SR is
Speaker 1: fine with you guys.
Speaker 3: As long as I wasn't here for this star? But
Speaker 3: how many are you thinking of doing too?
Speaker 5: But but yeah, is that as long as you got
Speaker 5: some add on tracking this thing so it's easy to
Speaker 5: figure out gogle goggle tracks.
Speaker 8: It would you want like in Tier four, would you
Speaker 8: want like one for Bag and one for Gruel or
Speaker 8: two total or one total.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm open. That's where I'm open to feedback,
Speaker 1: and I'll be led by you guys. What do you
Speaker 1: think is a good number.
Speaker 8: I'll just trot it out there. I think one one good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I would have assumed.
Speaker 8: Because otherwise than everyone has everyone has an s R,
Speaker 8: and then it doesn't become an SR, it just becomes
Speaker 8: everyone rolling again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So so two in two in the
Speaker 1: ten man's and one in the twenty five man's Does
Speaker 1: that makes sense?
Speaker 9: Mm hmm to me?
Speaker 8: But I don't. I don't know if anyone feels differently.
Speaker 1: So when you when you move on to when you
Speaker 1: move on to S, s C and t K, does
Speaker 1: it stay at one or become two in the twenty
Speaker 1: five man, I'm not sure.
Speaker 8: I think it should be two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think at that point yeah, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 8: You got the ten bosses like six, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, that makes sense. Yeap. So so basically
Speaker 1: Gruel and mag are the only ones where you get
Speaker 1: one s R.
Speaker 3: So that's fine, one per or one total across.
Speaker 1: Balls, that's one total across both. Wouldn't it be.
Speaker 8: My proposals one for both?
Speaker 1: But I would have thought one for both. And then
Speaker 1: you split up into your karras and groups and you
Speaker 1: get two reserves in Kra. Would that Does that sound right? Crickets?
Speaker 8: I'm okay with one reserve in Karra, but or two, like,
Speaker 8: I don't really care either way.
Speaker 1: I again, I'm I'm open to being led by you guys.
Speaker 1: Is it tell me it was not that much loot
Speaker 1: in Cara?
Speaker 8: I would propose one, but I don't feel strongly about it.
Speaker 1: So then you go one in Cara. But then because
Speaker 1: the yeah, you go one in Karra and one in
Speaker 1: the twenty five man's and that's your two reserves total
Speaker 1: for the week. Is that what you mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense to me.
Speaker 9: In Kara, I always generally, did you know, the one
Speaker 9: s R and then plus one need agreed? So I
Speaker 9: mean generally at that point, I mean, you know, unless
Speaker 9: obviously somebody else doesn't need the loot.
Speaker 1: But that's that's not that I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That did. Sorry, I'm just wrapping my head around it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you get two weekly shs and I mean
Speaker 1: we'll quite frankly, you can fucking use them how you
Speaker 1: say fit, but you kept it one for the twenty.
Speaker 9: Five man shit, right, And then usually what would happen
Speaker 9: is say, uh, you're in car and nobody's software software
Speaker 9: reserved something and then you you did the you know,
Speaker 9: your mainspect of aspected before you.
Speaker 1: Know, yay, Yeah that's a simple role.
Speaker 9: And you got your need. Yeah it's just a simple role.
Speaker 9: But if you already got your need, then you can't
Speaker 9: roll anymore of that rate unless it's on something that's
Speaker 9: for an offspect and everybody agrees on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's that's the part that I'm less familiar with.
Speaker 3: So I've not really we're just trying to describe a
Speaker 3: plus one system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never used a plus one system, and I
Speaker 1: know they're very popular, but I'm unfamiliar with them. So
Speaker 1: you guys tell me what you think we should do.
Speaker 3: There's pluses and minuses, so it kind of it disincentivizes
Speaker 3: people actually rolling need, so a lot more gear goes
Speaker 3: to greed when it might have actually been an upgrade
Speaker 3: for somebody. But people don't necessarily want their plus one
Speaker 3: because they're waiting on the bigger item. That they don't
Speaker 3: want to have a plus one against when they roll
Speaker 3: on it. But on the counter to that, it distributes
Speaker 3: gear slightly more evenly, right, so you don't just get
Speaker 3: one person just gets a lucky day and rolls away
Speaker 3: with six pieces of gear.
Speaker 1: Then the third this is not as popular. But then
Speaker 1: obviously you got the second option, which is not the
Speaker 1: plus one system. Just obviously everyone go health for leather
Speaker 1: and roll need grade on whatever the fuck you want.
Speaker 1: And then there's the third option of this will be
Speaker 1: a bit more delicate, and again I'm happy to be
Speaker 1: told shut the fuck up, Josh, that'll never work. But
Speaker 1: you've got the third option, which is not a plus
Speaker 1: one system. Just do rolls, but also have the group
Speaker 1: the ray sort of say hey man, you've you've won
Speaker 1: a piece already, Like sorry, you've won two pieces already.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're not you know you Okaine not to roll
Speaker 1: on the third or you know, do like kind of
Speaker 1: like Marshal the dving out yourselves or do you think
Speaker 1: that's asenine.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's asenine. It's just without a set rule,
Speaker 3: you can't it's not something that's policeable, right, So it's
Speaker 3: it's purely vibes and purely just like, hey, it don't
Speaker 3: be a.
Speaker 1: Cunt, like, well, yeah, and that's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
Speaker 10: One thing I do want to say about the plus
Speaker 10: one system though, and I really do enjoy it, and
Speaker 10: I'm done with previous skills. Just one thing to just
Speaker 10: kind of remember is like occasionally there's gonna be super
Speaker 10: rare items that like it almost feels unfair if you're
Speaker 10: at a plus one, like for example, say we're doing
Speaker 10: Sunken Temple and the hunter bow drops. Well, like if
Speaker 10: you're a hunter and you already got like two pieces
Speaker 10: to say, you're like plus one or plus two, it's
Speaker 10: really sad if you can't roll on the legendary bow.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So my personal solution is, I think a plus if
Speaker 3: one system works really well the more soft reserves you have,
Speaker 3: because then you have more ability to really go like
Speaker 3: I want that, and then you know you're less disincentivized
Speaker 3: to not roll need on a piece of gear. That's
Speaker 3: an upgrade because you know the thing that you actually
Speaker 3: care about is one of your like upteenth million soft reserves.
Speaker 1: But I don't I'll tell you what I'm strong it's
Speaker 1: up to you, guys. I'm leaning my initial thought was
Speaker 1: regular roles plus s are and just that don't be
Speaker 1: a cunt rule dictating the regular roles, Like if blatantly
Speaker 1: like to, you know, have the group kind of shame
Speaker 1: or you know, talk the person out of rolling on
Speaker 1: the fucking third or fourth epic that they're going to
Speaker 1: win that week, you know what I mean, when there's
Speaker 1: other people there that have got nothing that they shared
Speaker 1: armor class with. But if you guys sort of say, Josh,
Speaker 1: that's wonderful in theory, this utopia you've created for yourself
Speaker 1: in your mind, but it doesn't exist in reality, then
Speaker 1: so be it. But I would have thought if there's
Speaker 1: any guild that could pull it off, it would be us.
Speaker 8: I think we can. I think the only problem that
Speaker 8: I see is if we have to bring in a pug,
Speaker 8: Like if we're messing one person or two people and
Speaker 8: you have to bring them in, then they could take advantage.
Speaker 7: So my experience is.
Speaker 14: Like that, that is like, I think you're right, if
Speaker 14: any guild can pull it off, it'll be this one.
Speaker 14: But man like, when it comes to loot, motherfuckers just
Speaker 14: go Like Black Friday sales mad when it comes to
Speaker 14: Sometimes it's just a particular piece that they want and
Speaker 14: like that person won't be problematic for like two raid tears,
Speaker 14: and then they've been waiting for this the entire expansion
Speaker 14: and then all of a sudden they get done out
Speaker 14: by something that they don't feel quite right, and or
Speaker 14: they've won three pieces of gear and they're kind of
Speaker 14: expected to pass this other item over and they just
Speaker 14: go fucking battie over it, man, Like it's it's like
Speaker 14: sitting around with heaven made with the pin out of
Speaker 14: it and the lever taped and just sit that in
Speaker 14: the sun and like maybe that tabe will hold out,
Speaker 14: or maybe it'll degenerate and fly off and explode and
Speaker 14: get everybody.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so am I begging for trouble if we
Speaker 1: if we go with anything but plus one markers?
Speaker 14: Potentially yes, But again I don't want to say that
Speaker 14: anybody in this guild is that bloke, But like that
Speaker 14: bloke could definitely be in the guild, you know.
Speaker 1: But the thing that well, yeah, Vooter, as he cleansed
Speaker 1: his story, but wouldn't the beauty of that then be
Speaker 1: that that bloke finds himself without a guild the next day.
Speaker 14: Correct, if that's the path you want to take, if
Speaker 14: that's how you want to.
Speaker 3: Ruthless, would we rather just have them have like acted
Speaker 3: good to begin with because of some slight constraints imposed
Speaker 3: with our vote system, and then they don't have to
Speaker 3: get kicked out of the guild and they never turned
Speaker 3: into a count because there were clearly defined rules that
Speaker 3: were I feel like setting expectations ahead of time is
Speaker 3: ultimately the key to not disappointing people, and so relying
Speaker 3: on a very nebulous rule that is very open to
Speaker 3: interpretation is not a good way to set.
Speaker 1: Up that's fair. And look, I don't want to give
Speaker 1: console potential constant tools with which to exacerbate their continas.
Speaker 1: So look again.
Speaker 3: It's my proposal. You just two plus one and you
Speaker 3: just give extra soft reserves and if people really care,
Speaker 3: like they can just PLoP two sauce feeds on the
Speaker 3: item they really care about, you know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And see the one thing like regarding like legendaries
Speaker 9: and stuff like that, that is the one time that
Speaker 9: I've honestly, you know, because it is so such a
Speaker 9: rare drop that you know that at that point would
Speaker 9: be a for me, we'd always did a common census
Speaker 9: amongst the raid as a whole of who depending on
Speaker 9: who gets it is where it benefits three the most.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think fall under the hard reserves, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, right right, exactly.
Speaker 3: Like whur glaves aren't going to be a for a role,
Speaker 3: I don't think, or if so.
Speaker 1: If if we're putting the proverbial condom on and having
Speaker 1: safe guild sex to protect ourselves, plus one is the
Speaker 1: way to go. Is that what we're saying?
Speaker 8: Mm hmm yeah. And if I could add just the
Speaker 8: downside to plus one that I found is that even
Speaker 8: though I advocate for it, is that people might hold
Speaker 8: their roles, but if they do, then about.
Speaker 1: You can police, but you can police that as well.
Speaker 1: You can tell someone that's an upgrade, roll on it.
Speaker 8: I agree. And then also like shards are valuable to
Speaker 8: the guilding shards. So now plus one and also.
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, so if if say say that there's say
Speaker 9: something drops and there's a an uncontested need role, would
Speaker 9: you count that against that person for that being a
Speaker 9: need role? If it's an uncontested.
Speaker 1: That's that's a good question.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's yeah, because that's ten man, it's going to
Speaker 8: be a lot of uncontested stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, So so they've blown the wall something that was uncontested.
Speaker 9: They're they've blown right, it was uncontested. So what I've
Speaker 9: done in the past is it was an uncontested need role.
Speaker 9: Okay it would be It would then be a minus
Speaker 9: ten or a minus five on their next need roll
Speaker 9: on something. See what I mean Instead of.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not, I can tell you I will
Speaker 8: not be loot mass. I will not be loot loot mass.
Speaker 8: I won't be track of that. So whoever is going
Speaker 8: to be doing it is to keep track of it.
Speaker 8: So I'm not going to be taking and loot. So
Speaker 8: I don't care whatever loop system doesn't really affect me
Speaker 8: that much, you know what I mean. Like, that's a
Speaker 8: lot to track. So I'm not I mean, right, go
Speaker 8: for my feelings, Go for whoever wants.
Speaker 1: To people with someone going to jump in there, if
Speaker 1: that's just my opinion.
Speaker 17: I was just about to say, essentially, I feel like
Speaker 17: our guild kind of went through this back and forth
Speaker 17: as well. I honestly like both of these systems. I
Speaker 17: have zero issue with everything everyone's described here. The only
Speaker 17: thing I was gonna say is, as someone who has
Speaker 17: had to manage it in the past, Like, I don't
Speaker 17: know how many people actually have an issue with the
Speaker 17: original just srs.
Speaker 1: With the uh like, uh, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 17: The consecutive SR is getting you bonus roles like and
Speaker 17: no plus ones. It just it does like I'm not
Speaker 17: sure I get the I know the cons to that,
Speaker 17: but I guess do people have real problems?
Speaker 24: Yeah?
Speaker 1: If if nobody was screaming for plus one initially and
Speaker 1: nobody cares, I see what he's saying, Moose, Yeah.
Speaker 17: It's just less stuff to keep up with, is all.
Speaker 17: Like I I don't want to be that person either.
Speaker 1: And no, no, I agree. And the less the less
Speaker 1: we're putting on management shoulders the fucking better. So it's
Speaker 1: almost like, is it worth Is it worth the one
Speaker 1: rare time when someone's a dickhead and rolls on too
Speaker 1: much stuff for the rest of the time that you're
Speaker 1: enjoying a stress for a non plus one life? Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Exactly?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 13: I thinks ones though, So it's not like it's that
Speaker 13: much to manage.
Speaker 8: Yeagle Gargle tracks the plus one. That's why that's what
Speaker 8: I was thinking of.
Speaker 25: Actually had I actually had a quick question about so,
Speaker 25: like the bonus rolls that we're talking about at the beginning,
Speaker 25: like can you bank those or like is it per
Speaker 25: tier you know, like let's say through KRA, through S
Speaker 25: S C T K, you know BT Hydel.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 1: No, No, you're soft dressing stuff for that tea you're doing,
Speaker 1: and you're resing one like I'm raising a let's say
Speaker 1: a gruel item. Let's say it's dragon'sflye trophy. I'm resting
Speaker 1: that from week one and I reads it fucking eight
Speaker 1: weeks in a row, so I'm basically guaranteed drops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just no, it's a per item. It's it's not
Speaker 1: like a it's not like a buff that you're putting
Speaker 1: on yourself for anything that drops. It's a per item thing.
Speaker 13: RNG protection is how I like to think of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't sound too bad. Yeah, are you guys
Speaker 7: rolling after each boss for items or is it like
Speaker 7: half way through like the instance.
Speaker 1: With with the Saturday Friday Ray can do whatever they
Speaker 1: want with the Saturday Raid. I'm going to say to
Speaker 1: the guys if they're okay with it, I will be distributing.
Speaker 1: We'll take care of loot once we down the boss
Speaker 1: just knock it out while we're while we're you know,
Speaker 1: sitting there drinking up or running to the next pack.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do loot at the end personally
Speaker 1: in my Saturday raid, but the Friday guys can do
Speaker 1: what they want.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just easier to distribute it as were running
Speaker 9: the next next available area. Honestly, yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Would say the maybe grolling mag you might want to
Speaker 8: do both at the end, all right, So yeah, the
Speaker 8: high ticket first.
Speaker 5: I personally hate distributing loot while I'm playing, Like, I
Speaker 5: don't like pulling packs and doing stuff and trying to
Speaker 5: roll stuff out and worry I'm gonna miss something and.
Speaker 8: I sounds like a healer mane.
Speaker 5: Look yeah, well yeah, I've done that before where I'm
Speaker 5: like not paying attention so I'm trying to keep somebody
Speaker 5: alive because I did something stupid and then all of
Speaker 5: a sudden it's like, oh shit, no, I needed to
Speaker 5: roll on that.
Speaker 1: That's up to you guys. So I'm ultimately like, las,
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is I want you guys to
Speaker 1: mostly abide by the same rules that the Saturday radis.
Speaker 1: So with someway uniform. If there's you know, people chopping
Speaker 1: and changing whatever they know the drill. But I will say, like, look,
Speaker 1: having now talked to everyone personally, I think that I'm
Speaker 1: going to go with no plus one in the Saturday raid.
Speaker 1: We're just going to do the two soft resors and
Speaker 1: the regular rolling. But you guys, if for some reason
Speaker 1: you want to do plus ones in Fridays, I'm going
Speaker 1: to leave that up to you.
Speaker 8: Okay, Well, i'll see if it's okay with you, I'll
Speaker 8: see who is going to volunteer the master Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I'm not You don't have to make
Speaker 1: your mind up now, just just have a think about it,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 8: Cool, So I think gargle that ad On can can
Speaker 8: track it. But yeah, I don't want to put too
Speaker 8: much on the master leader.
Speaker 1: So let's let's jump over to the old. If everyone's
Speaker 1: everyone sounds mostly happy with that. No one's like fuck this.
Speaker 1: Any fucking raid that does soft resors won't have me
Speaker 1: in it. You're all fucking casuals. Fuck you. Everyone seems
Speaker 1: pretty okay with's what we're doing. Like we said, everyone's
Speaker 1: sweaty days are behind them. No one gives a shit,
Speaker 1: it's our third time through TBC. We all just want
Speaker 1: to have fun together and no one gives a fuck.
Speaker 1: The whole point of this, this Raid Team one and
Speaker 1: two is that I don't want anyone in these raid
Speaker 1: teams who's going to sook over loot. Look, there might
Speaker 1: be some things that, like, you know, you get into, like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I do actually think that'd be better for me?
Speaker 1: Oh is it better for you? It might be better
Speaker 1: for me. Like that stuff will happen, But I don't
Speaker 1: want people really spitting the dummy and losing sleep and
Speaker 1: cracking shit over not getting the piece of loot they want.
Speaker 1: Nobody gives a fuck. We're all casual, fucking chilled out dads.
Speaker 1: As you heard from everyone in the introduction. That's the
Speaker 1: theme of countdown is I don't give a shit and
Speaker 1: I want to rave with people who don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: And that's the whole point. But I'll move on to
Speaker 1: speaking of not giving a shit, there will be some
Speaker 1: things we kind of are forced by the game to
Speaker 1: give a shit about, and that's the hard reskue. So
Speaker 1: this is a conversation that involves both raiate teams and
Speaker 1: Saturday Rate Team. I promise I am getting to us,
Speaker 1: but we can all get in on this one, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I think there's about you know, four
Speaker 1: or five six items that the game dictates, you know,
Speaker 1: shouldn't just be necessarily left up to RNG or rolling,
Speaker 1: Like you've got to put these aside for certain people
Speaker 1: who earn them or who need them, or whatever it
Speaker 1: might be. So I want to get everyone's feedback on
Speaker 1: which items you believe should be hard res in TBC
Speaker 1: for you and your raid. Now, Las and I have
Speaker 1: discussed this very very briefly about a month ago, and
Speaker 1: you know, Laz sent me through a short list of
Speaker 1: items which I very much so agreed with, and I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to find that message now here it is.
Speaker 1: And I think the obvious one, obviously Phase one only
Speaker 1: has wider one item. It's Dragonspine Trophy. Everyone can, I'm
Speaker 1: sure agree that that should be hard res and you
Speaker 1: know who you want to distribute it to. Again, I
Speaker 1: will leave to you guys in the Friday raid, and
Speaker 1: I'll say to our guys in the Saturday raid, We're
Speaker 1: just we're just going with a common sense approach here,
Speaker 1: and I think that's going to dictate, you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, even though the Saturday rate team will not
Speaker 1: be a doping the plus one system, We're just going
Speaker 1: to roll all of those roles are going to go
Speaker 1: on a common sense and you know, general congeniality and
Speaker 1: politeness vibe. Hey mate, I got the last one. You
Speaker 1: take that one. Yeah, no worries, mate. You know what,
Speaker 1: you do a fuckload more damage than me. You should
Speaker 1: probably have that one. Yeah, thanks mate, No worries. Again.
Speaker 1: It might be an unachievable utopia, but this is just
Speaker 1: what I want to see out of my raid and
Speaker 1: what I'll be pushing for. So when it comes to
Speaker 1: Dragonspine Trophy again, I want common seal sense to kind
Speaker 1: of prevail. I want the Friday team and the Saturday
Speaker 1: team to have you know, five team member leadership group
Speaker 1: that is effectively a five team loot council for these
Speaker 1: hard resed items. That these five guys get together, they
Speaker 1: can take on board the feedback from the raid and
Speaker 1: go all right, guys. You know it's between person one,
Speaker 1: two and three for dst old mate, he does a
Speaker 1: fuckload of damage. He turns up to raid every week,
Speaker 1: you know, good to go. He's very very good with
Speaker 1: the guild outside of raids. He runs the rogues with
Speaker 1: people all the time. He fucking does his professions. He's
Speaker 1: a legend. You know, he gets a lot of fucking
Speaker 1: shout outs for DST. Cool. Oh but you know this
Speaker 1: guy pumps too, but he really doesn't do anything for
Speaker 1: the guild outside of the raid. Okay, well that might
Speaker 1: be a bit of a minus point in his column.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I just I also don't want it
Speaker 1: to be the opposite where it's like, this guy's the
Speaker 1: best guilty of all time, but he does fuck all
Speaker 1: damage in the raid and has been, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of shaky on the old DPS. Well, we're not necessarily
Speaker 1: just going to give him DPS so DST for being
Speaker 1: a fucking legend. So again it's common sense prevailing. Laz.
Speaker 1: Is this making sense?
Speaker 8: I personally love it.
Speaker 1: So it's it's not also predetermined. These big ticket items
Speaker 1: like free freak He's the greatest example. Laves for both
Speaker 1: the Friday and Saturday team has not been predetermined. I
Speaker 1: am playing a Fury Warrior on the Saturday team, and
Speaker 1: I am not predetermining the glazes will be mine. That
Speaker 1: will be a decision made later down the track. Now
Speaker 1: you can all laugh at me if I still give
Speaker 1: them to myself, and I know it's like hahaha the
Speaker 1: gm oh, my god, here we go. But no, it'll
Speaker 1: be a case of again, like I say, a month's
Speaker 1: long determination of who's done you good performance in the
Speaker 1: raid and who has been a good guilty And if
Speaker 1: I check that box, fucking oath, I'm giving myself glaves,
Speaker 1: go fuck yourselves. But if there's someone in my raid
Speaker 1: who is annihilating me on the meters, mate, congratulations, you
Speaker 1: discerned yourself fucking glaves, I don't care. That's fine. So
Speaker 1: I do enjoy the concept of a guild, and I
Speaker 1: truly think we're going to be somewhat you need in
Speaker 1: disregard where these big ticket items have not been pre allocated.
Speaker 1: They are there to be urged, and I want that
Speaker 1: to be the carrot on the stick for people. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to hear from you Friday raid guys. Does
Speaker 1: that sound good to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 5: As a shadow briefs, I look forward to earning myclaves.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good.
Speaker 22: Just one quick thing in terms of like items as well,
Speaker 22: the iron mac theredin that is prop Islan's like prom
Speaker 22: a bit drink it because when you look at the effect,
Speaker 22: it particularly only triggers off getting resisted. And when you
Speaker 22: look at propilans, especially when they go into resistance sets
Speaker 22: or a shear set where you have to get like
Speaker 22: an extra ten percent of avoidance, that drink is basically
Speaker 22: best to stop because like you'll never be able to
Speaker 22: get the spell hit while doing those like resistance sets
Speaker 22: or heavy mitigation sets as well. So because like a
Speaker 22: lot of answers just try to roll on our drinket,
Speaker 22: what is specifically like for prop ublems.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Taraiak. Thank you
Speaker 1: for the assistance, because now we're going to start naming
Speaker 1: the items that we do need to sort of hard
Speaker 1: reds and put aside. And if there are items, like
Speaker 1: you say in that list that even though I say
Speaker 1: they're not predetermined, they kind of have to go to
Speaker 1: one particular spec over other people blatantly, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if those items exist do you guys will have
Speaker 1: to help me. So let's get go through it very
Speaker 1: very quickly here through phase one. Like I said, no
Speaker 1: one's going to argue that DST needs to be hard
Speaker 1: rest right needs to be done dst hard rest. Now
Speaker 1: that was the only item I had personally from phase one.
Speaker 1: But Tara Yak raises this this thing I didn't know about, Laz,
Speaker 1: did you know about this palettine item?
Speaker 8: Kind of questions out of course I did.
Speaker 1: Okay, So do you agree to Tarayac or not?
Speaker 8: It's unthingly I don't agree, but the and I want
Speaker 8: to hear feedback from obviously Josh you more importantly, but
Speaker 8: everyone and Friday is I I'm kind of uncomfortable hard
Speaker 8: resident stuff for myself. So what I'd like to do
Speaker 8: is as we go along, I'll talk to the people
Speaker 8: who it affects, like the casters and it's like hey,
Speaker 8: like I or with a tier piece, like hey, this
Speaker 8: piece is particularly important to me. You know. Do you
Speaker 8: mind if I get the first one as the main
Speaker 8: tank and I'll I'll find some other piece of gear
Speaker 8: to catch you back with, sort of like a congenial
Speaker 8: you know. So I don't want to necessarily hard and
Speaker 8: if people say no, I want that, I'm too. I
Speaker 8: don't mind rolling. I I'm quite no one piece of
Speaker 8: gear is going to prevent me from playing my class,
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 26: I I want to heart technically technically it's it's it's
Speaker 26: better for prop paladins than it is for other casts.
Speaker 8: Doesn't necessarily mean that they can't make use of it.
Speaker 1: To well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: It just depends on people feel like, I don't want
Speaker 8: to lose I don't want to lose raiders over gear.
Speaker 8: Is it to the point gear and make do than
Speaker 8: to people what.
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of it? Is it such an upgrade
Speaker 1: to the point that it should be hard risked?
Speaker 8: There are other threat trinkets I can use that are
Speaker 8: not quite as good, but are like, it's not gonna
Speaker 8: like it's not going to be the difference for the
Speaker 8: killer or not.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to know, I want to hear.
Speaker 22: Just point out it's not necessarily like because it's so
Speaker 22: much whatever. It's because of the unique effect that it's
Speaker 22: like it triggers when it gets resisted, Like the cast
Speaker 22: is never going to trigger that proc Whereas with the
Speaker 22: prop boblem specifically, for like being able to swap out
Speaker 22: gear pieces very handy to have this effect because it
Speaker 22: will should be.
Speaker 6: Like your your permit drinket.
Speaker 22: When you're swapping out gear, you don't you don't have
Speaker 22: to care about the spell hit because you get resisted.
Speaker 22: It's actually a benefit.
Speaker 8: I don't disagree, I just don't.
Speaker 24: I'm not gonna they're in a fair fair enough so
Speaker 24: let me ask the rest of the right peace and
Speaker 24: all I'll add before you guys have your say is
Speaker 24: personally again, because I think the common sense rules should
Speaker 24: apply over a lot of this shit.
Speaker 1: Is I'm okay with giving things to the tank first
Speaker 1: that's going to make it easier for the raid. But
Speaker 1: this is again up to you Friday guys, I want
Speaker 1: to hear from Vestige MAKA two fucking you know, everybody here,
Speaker 1: tell me what you think. Most person I'm all for it.
Speaker 25: Yeah, I'm not part of that ratam, but I agree.
Speaker 25: I think if there's you know, items that benefit the
Speaker 25: tank that will make the rate easier down the line,
Speaker 25: I think they should order them first.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 25: Absolutely, Like I'll say, you're got to have a two
Speaker 25: set that's you know, very overpowered or whatever, or maybe
Speaker 25: not overpowered, but you know, very very beneficial towards the
Speaker 25: raid overall, I think you know, you can prioritize a
Speaker 25: couple of pieces in the first week or two.
Speaker 1: So is it.
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 9: See, I've always been I've always been one. When I'm
Speaker 9: looking at the at the soft reserve, you know, I'm
Speaker 9: looking at who's soft reserving and what obviously, and usually
Speaker 9: if it's a tank or even honestly a healer, you know,
Speaker 9: anything that benefits, I'm not even going to put a
Speaker 9: soft in for it. I mean, that's just that's just me.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not I agree with you. I think
Speaker 8: that could solve it rather than hard reserving stuff. I'll
Speaker 8: just be like, hey, guys, look at what I'm soft reserving.
Speaker 8: I'm doing it for a reason. If you wouldn't mind,
Speaker 8: you know, no hard feelings. If you want to roll
Speaker 8: against me, but please don't want to say them, then
Speaker 8: I don't have to say you just see what.
Speaker 9: That's absolutely fair.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's that's why it's not like unfair where
Speaker 8: it's like I get all the like every single piece.
Speaker 8: Oh I need that, I need that. I need that.
Speaker 8: That's why it's like one thing a week.
Speaker 5: A set bonus or something like that they're achieving.
Speaker 4: I mean that might be exactly fact.
Speaker 5: That's that's the major power spike or something like that.
Speaker 8: I want to that's what I put the SR for.
Speaker 8: So I think that can take care of it than
Speaker 8: hard reserve.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, cool cool. So, by the way, guys, I
Speaker 1: can't emphasize this enough. I know some people are usually
Speaker 1: a bit scared to naysay on this podcast. They feel like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak against what Josh wants or
Speaker 1: whateveryone else wants on the podcast, so I kept quiet
Speaker 1: and I'll just bring it up later. Please, this is
Speaker 1: your time. We don't care if you disagree with something
Speaker 1: where you know, basically agreeing to do please have your
Speaker 1: voice heard. Like it's not going to bother anyone. It's fine.
Speaker 1: So all right, so we'll keep that one off.
Speaker 8: They say one more thing with that, because anybody, and
Speaker 8: this way, if I if I officer something and you like, hey,
Speaker 8: I really want that to just like you can message
Speaker 8: me privately and be like, hey, could could I have
Speaker 8: Do you mind if I roll on that I want
Speaker 8: it for this reason, and I'm sure I'll say yes.
Speaker 8: This way if you don't feel comfortable like, okay, objecting it,
Speaker 8: you know, in public or or whatever, and you don't
Speaker 8: and you don't want to like be that guy who
Speaker 8: rolls it, you know, puts an SR against me and
Speaker 8: be public and everyone's like oh, like, shit's on you. You
Speaker 8: can just messed the privately. And I'm sure I probably just.
Speaker 1: Call me romantic, call me romantic, but I genuinely don't
Speaker 1: think we're going to have many big glup blow ups
Speaker 1: with this crew. But we shall see. Now, Look, uh
Speaker 1: so that's that's Is it crazy for me to say
Speaker 1: the only item in phase one that we're putting on
Speaker 1: the hard res list is DST.
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: I think So that's it. Beautiful, easy, Okay, so we
Speaker 1: move on to phase two. Now we've got.
Speaker 19: Yeah, I wanted to, well, just going back to like
Speaker 19: you're saying about being like the you know, people being
Speaker 19: shy about saying stuff obviously, like I don't have a
Speaker 19: leg to stand around. This goes back to when you
Speaker 19: guys were talking about the plus one and he had
Speaker 19: mentioned that I'm getting feedback. I'm sorry. You know, if
Speaker 19: there's a no contested role, he said, you know, if
Speaker 19: somebody got it on no contest, that essentially they would
Speaker 19: get negative points. If it's no contest, why would you
Speaker 19: get negative pointed and then essentially just hurt. It would
Speaker 19: make that no contest basically a useless way of rolling,
Speaker 19: because then you're just going to hurt yourself when there
Speaker 19: is something contested.
Speaker 1: I personally agree, but like I said, I'll let the
Speaker 1: Friday Raids sort that out. I would not count the
Speaker 1: role on uncontested loot as a role, but that's just me.
Speaker 1: It sounded like cast it felt the same way, But
Speaker 1: I'll let the Friday Raids sort that out for themselves.
Speaker 1: The Saturday Raid is not doing plus one, so we
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about this.
Speaker 4: Sick now.
Speaker 1: Phase two. Does everyone agree that the expetite belt off
Speaker 1: Vash should be hard breads? Yes? No, maybe crickets.
Speaker 8: It depends on which class, my class or not.
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's a hard question.
Speaker 1: Well but it's a high Sorry, Well, it's a highly contested,
Speaker 1: highly coveted item, isn't it.
Speaker 22: Yes, Because bear in mind, just like there's no expertise
Speaker 22: it's barely on the expertise in the game until like
Speaker 22: phase four, Phase five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's correct me if I'm wrong, the belt
Speaker 1: of one hundred deaths? Is that right?
Speaker 6: Yep?
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a fifteen percent drop chance off Lady Vash.
Speaker 1: It has the following statistics twenty nine AGI, twenty five stam.
Speaker 1: It's leather, red socket, blue socket, twenty five expertise, seventy
Speaker 1: four attack power. So obviously you're looking at rogues, fury warriors.
Speaker 1: I don't know if fucking enhancement Sharman want it. I
Speaker 1: don't know feral druids, Red Palace very much.
Speaker 5: Every Melee, every.
Speaker 1: Every malaybal character is gonna watch these fair feral druids
Speaker 1: will want it. I mean tanks, oh.
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 14: I think if you don't a hard resid, it's just
Speaker 14: going to be on everyone's software.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what you want to avoid.
Speaker 14: Yeah, because then they're just burning it on ship that,
Speaker 14: like they're just throwing their softwares on that and they're
Speaker 14: just not getting anything else. So because they've got a
Speaker 14: big boner for that particular item. So yeah, anything that
Speaker 14: kind of fits that category, I'd supporting.
Speaker 1: I love your rationale there. I think that's good. If
Speaker 1: every man and his dog is fucking soft razing it
Speaker 1: for weeks on end, maybe it should be a hard
Speaker 1: rares I agree. So what do you reckon, guys? We
Speaker 1: throw this one on the list. Yeah yeah, okay, next
Speaker 1: up the tsunami talisman. Do you guys know about this one?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I'll read out the states for those of you
Speaker 1: who are unfamiliar. It's a trinkett. Great trinket drops off
Speaker 1: leotheris the blind or leotheris the blind, and it gives
Speaker 1: you ten hit rating thirty eight creit rating and a
Speaker 1: chance on critical hit to increase your attack power by
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty for ten seconds with a ten
Speaker 1: percent prop chance and a forty five second I c D.
Speaker 1: Very very nice trinket for Malay. What do you guys reckon.
Speaker 25: Right hardras? But it depends, you know, like like where
Speaker 25: your group compers?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so does anyone not think that should
Speaker 1: be hard rest? All right, very good, we'll stick it
Speaker 1: on the list. Next up, we've got the uh hang
Speaker 1: on here, the ilidin item. I think it's illogant, bear
Speaker 1: with me, madness of the betrayal. It drops sorry off
Speaker 1: high nethermancer Zerovore. It is again a trinket, hit rating twenty,
Speaker 1: tack power eighty four. Your Malayan range attacks have a
Speaker 1: chance to allow you to ignore three hundred of your
Speaker 1: enemy's armor for ten seconds. So Malay and hunters, everyone
Speaker 1: feel like this one should be a hard res.
Speaker 14: No's a PvP item.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. It's pretty good. What do you reckon?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm a pen is induced man. I don't know
Speaker 14: what it scales like. So well, I don't play Malay,
Speaker 14: so I don't really understand the scaling of it in PV.
Speaker 14: Perhaps some of the Malay chads will enlighten us on that.
Speaker 1: Well, we do the test again, the Marcus smell test.
Speaker 1: Is everyone in the fucking rate going to be hard
Speaker 1: resing this for fucking a month on end? Sorry self
Speaker 1: resing it? You know.
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 14: Like it looks good? So probably.
Speaker 8: It's on everyone's burcilst and it's really.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, done, that's all I need to hear.
Speaker 1: If it's on everyone's bis liss, that's all I need
Speaker 1: to hear. All right, the skull of Goulden. What do
Speaker 1: you reckon?
Speaker 19: O cows be?
Speaker 1: This is that every cast as biss?
Speaker 7: No, I'm pretty sure it is.
Speaker 1: I mean spell every cast is biss. Spell here twenty
Speaker 1: five increases damage and healing by fifty five, and then
Speaker 1: you on you spell haste one seventy five or twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: Every cast is going to want that. Yep, that's on
Speaker 1: the list.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, and.
Speaker 8: By a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, it's too yeah.
Speaker 9: There's nothing close to it. Nothing touches it.
Speaker 1: War glaves goes without saying. And again, I can't stress
Speaker 1: this enough. I don't want you to think like, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I'd love glaves, but I don't want
Speaker 1: you guys to think that I'm as hungry for glaves
Speaker 1: as you might think, because I really think around the
Speaker 1: time glaves are going to become available that Classic Plus
Speaker 1: will be coming out soon. So I'm not like jonesing
Speaker 1: for glazes. I'll fucking take them because I'd love to
Speaker 1: hit people in a battleground with them, but I'm not like,
Speaker 1: you know, fuck off everyone else. Those are my glaves.
Speaker 5: I believe the ashes are my byss mount slot.
Speaker 8: That's actually a good point. Should should you? Should you
Speaker 8: be able to s r the mount off? Katie?
Speaker 1: How about how about crowds? Okay, all right, hard rids
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 7: You can you can make a loot to some around
Speaker 7: the mountains, though h.
Speaker 1: One way, wouldn't wouldn't everyone wouldn't Your hard res it
Speaker 1: and everyone rolls on it or not.
Speaker 9: I've always liked everybody rolling mount everyone mount everybody rolls.
Speaker 9: I mean, that's that's the way I've always done anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I'm saying is you put it on
Speaker 1: the hard rids least so that nobody has to blow
Speaker 1: a soft ras on it.
Speaker 8: Roll Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. If the mount drops,
Speaker 1: fucking every every kind in the raid rolls on it,
Speaker 1: mm hmm. That well, that's how my raid is going
Speaker 1: to be doing it. So you Friday guys with champions.
Speaker 3: Someone who doesn't.
Speaker 5: I mean there's some raids where the mounts are I
Speaker 5: mean like Okay and sod with the Knacks mounts for
Speaker 5: the UH war horses, you had people like soft rising
Speaker 5: those and things like that. But Ashes is such a
Speaker 5: rare mount drop that it's a zero chance I mean,
Speaker 5: so it's a legendary unto itself.
Speaker 1: So then you have everyone. Yeah, so when you have everyone.
Speaker 3: Cares so much about that mount that they want to
Speaker 3: waste their soft reserve slot on it week after week,
Speaker 3: I personally could not be fucked.
Speaker 7: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I say, if people want to want to put
Speaker 8: on their list, we might to stop them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I feel like. Nobody should put it
Speaker 3: on their list because it's a low drop rate anyway,
Speaker 3: so it'll go to open role. But like, if somebody
Speaker 3: really fucking cares like that'll make them so much happier
Speaker 3: than it will make me from winning it, So I
Speaker 3: don't need it.
Speaker 1: All right, that's easy. They can sell for as it
Speaker 1: if they want Otherwise, it's an open role.
Speaker 8: I want to be rolling on it.
Speaker 1: I won't be throwing a fucking soft reds on that.
Speaker 1: I can guarantee.
Speaker 8: You honestly, knowing that Vestage wants it now, I might
Speaker 8: actually put on.
Speaker 1: I love the pettiness.
Speaker 5: It is one of the best mounts in the game.
Speaker 25: I'd rather have somebody basically put a software as on
Speaker 25: an item that actually needs that will help the raid,
Speaker 25: then you know, on them mount and just have them
Speaker 25: out with like open roll.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, look, are there any items I've missed off
Speaker 1: the list? There any sun Well items or anything like?
Speaker 1: Like I said personally, guys, I'm going to be straight
Speaker 1: up with you, I don't think any of us are
Speaker 1: making it to son Well because I think I think
Speaker 1: Classic Plus will be out by then. But let's just
Speaker 1: wait and see. Is there any other items I'm missing
Speaker 1: out from the hard rest list Hunter Pour.
Speaker 22: Specific, Yes, but the same way, the same way I
Speaker 22: was saying that, like that that that that trinket for
Speaker 22: like the is propolem based. Prop problem should never be
Speaker 22: taking a cast of weapon away from uh casters like
Speaker 22: propoland is like bottom prior for cost of weapons.
Speaker 1: They are last you've been put on notice.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 27: Oh what I wanted to just say right quick was
Speaker 27: like I really like kind of talking, but I do
Speaker 27: really hope you're right about like classic plus coming out
Speaker 27: by the point of sun. Well like there there's been
Speaker 27: no news, but fuck, I hope you're right, man, because
Speaker 27: it would be kind of awesome.
Speaker 1: I just all I kep saying I had a big argument.
Speaker 1: Sorry you guys last ye go.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be pvping to get my weapons as trying
Speaker 8: as hard as I can, uh exactly, but all the
Speaker 8: respect for someone not in the guild to be like
Speaker 8: telling us what to do is kind of cringe.
Speaker 3: Lass.
Speaker 22: This is this is the advice like that transcends any
Speaker 22: particular guild.
Speaker 3: Nobody tells Las that to get the web the spellcaster weapons,
Speaker 3: He's the man.
Speaker 1: Take take that tarry out.
Speaker 4: He said.
Speaker 22: The exact reason, like the proplem can get an arena
Speaker 22: weapon or like in terms of like like being the
Speaker 22: last part on the propoun weapons or gast weapons, like
Speaker 22: it makes no sense for a proper ever to be taken.
Speaker 22: And like I've like the reason why I'm saying is
Speaker 22: because I've been in Gilts where the prop oblem is
Speaker 22: taking the first drop of gas weapon of each year.
Speaker 6: They always do me.
Speaker 14: Like my guild in TBC, it was just like this
Speaker 14: guy was like I want to do that. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 14: I will carry you to a weapon, just leave it
Speaker 14: for the casters. And he just wouldn't do it. Man,
Speaker 14: he was adamant he was getting that weapon and left
Speaker 14: the guild over it dead set, all right, will.
Speaker 5: He just wants to be a shock.
Speaker 1: We'll see how it plays out where we're dealing with
Speaker 1: our own paladin in Yak, so we'll have that discussion
Speaker 1: with him. But look, guys, that's the hard Restlings. And
Speaker 1: I just want to say on that note about the
Speaker 1: Classic plus thing, like we had this big back and
Speaker 1: forth sort of just before I hit the record button,
Speaker 1: and I'll just say it again for the podcast, Like
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I'm so lais a fair
Speaker 1: about TBC and you know, not particularly thrill and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, still happily playing it because there's fucking
Speaker 1: nothing else to play and I want to play with
Speaker 1: you guys. But like, you know, so it only last
Speaker 1: month did someone remind me that, Hey, Josh, Bliscon is
Speaker 1: not in November, it's in September this time. And I went, Fuck,
Speaker 1: they're right, you know, the tenth of September or whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck it is when blis Kon kicks off. I
Speaker 1: hate to tell you, guys, is not that fucking far away.
Speaker 1: It is eight and a half months away from the
Speaker 1: date of this recording. By the time you start playing
Speaker 1: TBC and you walk through the Dark Portal to go
Speaker 1: to Outland, guess what, it'll be fucking seven months away
Speaker 1: to blizz Con, you know what I mean? Like, that's
Speaker 1: not a lot of fucking time. What is it like
Speaker 1: fucking two and a half two and a half phases,
Speaker 1: three phases? I don't know, but I'm fucking telling you all.
Speaker 1: And I again, you know, I lose my shit when
Speaker 1: people think I've got inside of information. I know, I've
Speaker 1: never known less about what's going on at Blizzard than
Speaker 1: I do at this point in time. But I fucking
Speaker 1: like my feeling in my guts, that feeling in my
Speaker 1: balls is telling me there is no fucking way in
Speaker 1: my mind that they've waited a year and a half
Speaker 1: to build something, because you know, that's how long it
Speaker 1: will have been by then, between sod being you know,
Speaker 1: put to bed and bliss Con. There's no fucking chance
Speaker 1: they get on that stage for a big hype classic
Speaker 1: presentation and Tim comes out and he's got that big
Speaker 1: fucking smile of his and he goes, all right, fucking
Speaker 1: classic gamers, here's what we've been cooking. And they do
Speaker 1: the whole presentation, and then at the end it says
Speaker 1: coming in fucking late twenty twenty seven or whatever. They're
Speaker 1: not going to make us wait anymore. It will come out,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty fucking soon after blizz Con. That would
Speaker 1: be my bet. I would be beyond beyond shocked if
Speaker 1: they got on that stage and said, just keep stick
Speaker 1: with us, Classic fans, We just need a fucking another
Speaker 1: eighteen months to cook this shit up for you. People
Speaker 1: will riot, they'll lose customers, people will lose interest. They
Speaker 1: can't afford the time they've already stretched the friendship with
Speaker 1: the year and a half. Wait. If I just I
Speaker 1: want to scream at people who seriously think it's coming, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a long time after the bliz Con.
Speaker 28: Anyway, I do think you you're very right, like one
Speaker 28: hundred percent. But like one thing I was like, I
Speaker 28: think though, if they do announce it in Blueston, I
Speaker 28: want to be surprised if it's like the starting of
Speaker 28: twenty twenty seven when it actually gets released, you know
Speaker 28: what I mean, Just because it will be a few months,
Speaker 28: I would assume.
Speaker 1: Look, maybe maybe, or I would expect them to come
Speaker 1: out and say, hey, guys, it's the middle of September.
Speaker 1: You'll get this thing in the middle of October. But
Speaker 1: I mean, fuck, if they said for whatever reason, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, if they said January thirteenth, then yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's in three months, like or four months, like okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: I still would be a little bit shocked, but like
Speaker 1: it's not like crazy. But I'm much more inclined to
Speaker 1: say to be around about the time of Please gon't.
Speaker 3: You know, Josh, I have a question for you about
Speaker 3: what you think. Do you think Classic Plus will be
Speaker 3: like another season or do you think it'll be like
Speaker 3: wow too? I think because if you think it's going
Speaker 3: to be like another season, I totally buy what you're saying,
Speaker 3: if you think it's going to be like wow too,
Speaker 3: I think the more time makes sense.
Speaker 1: Personally, I think it'll be something halfway between the two,
Speaker 1: which is such a bitch answer, But like, like they've
Speaker 1: said that, they have said, we're done with seasons. We've
Speaker 1: we've dripped this seasonal thing as dry as we can.
Speaker 1: They know that.
Speaker 3: You're not going to call it another season.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly exactly. But then my might come back to that.
Speaker 1: And I've always said this on the show, and i
Speaker 1: know people fucking hate hearing this, but I'm like, i
Speaker 1: know the answer to this question, but I'm still going
Speaker 1: to posit it when I say, really, what's the difference
Speaker 1: between a season and an expansion outside of the outside
Speaker 1: of the nomenclatcher, you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I think it's the severity of change. So like
Speaker 3: Epoch is a season, Bronze Beard is a is a
Speaker 3: wow to right, Like, without having even played Bronze Spirit.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think Speared is a massively seasonal thing.
Speaker 3: No, it might be a seasonal thing as far as
Speaker 3: how it literally is. I'm talking about the degree of
Speaker 3: variance from original.
Speaker 1: Classic that that's where that's a huge rabbit hole that
Speaker 1: will lead up the next two hours that I don't
Speaker 1: want to go down. But no, no, it's okay. It is
Speaker 1: a good argument to raise, though, and Blizzard will have
Speaker 1: to tread very carefully to I think there will be
Speaker 1: a temptation on Blizzard's behalf to say it's not a season,
Speaker 1: but still have what's next as a season, dressed up
Speaker 1: in a different outfit, and they're like, it's totally not
Speaker 1: a season, and we all see straight through it and go, guys,
Speaker 1: that's a fucking season. I could see them being tempted
Speaker 1: to do that, but I do think that ultimately they'll
Speaker 1: they'll put their their their plant, their flag halfway and go, look, guys,
Speaker 1: we want that. They've really publicly said this, through Ian
Speaker 1: and other big wigs, we want an ongoing, evergreen, classic
Speaker 1: environment for classic players. They are not going to do
Speaker 1: like just sod two point zero. I think it'll be
Speaker 1: a little whole bit more meat on the bones, to
Speaker 1: the point that people can basically say, Okay, I think
Speaker 1: this isn't a seasonal thing.
Speaker 17: I feel like it's only a season once they tell
Speaker 17: us a battle pass.
Speaker 3: Under that framework, I could buy your time frame.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 25: But how far would that go though with the with
Speaker 25: Classic plus, like how like like how long would they
Speaker 25: take it? Or like how far would they.
Speaker 7: Take it.
Speaker 8: Playing?
Speaker 14: You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Just yeah, but like.
Speaker 25: How much like content do they have the release or
Speaker 25: like how engaged we have to be with it?
Speaker 14: We find out this is just opinion expect like a
Speaker 14: different leveling experience. It won't be like completely revolutionary, It'll
Speaker 14: be just different.
Speaker 4: To what we've got.
Speaker 14: And then we'll just get content on a cadence to
Speaker 14: what you would expect in Classic, Like they'll just be
Speaker 14: like making content. They'll have the game and the first
Speaker 14: raid ready to go and then just punch out content
Speaker 14: forever in a day and expansions or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think Tee Wow and Epoch will be the framework,
Speaker 1: So think something along those lines for the bricks and
Speaker 1: mortar of what they're doing. And again, guys, I cannot
Speaker 1: stress enough. I do not fucking know. I am guessing
Speaker 1: this is just what I would do if I were
Speaker 1: running the shop. I look to Tea Wow, I looked
Speaker 1: at Epoch. That's that's where I start from building from
Speaker 1: the ground up. And then what you can do is
Speaker 1: you can just add Ray, tier after Ratier after Ratier
Speaker 1: in terms of pushing people on over time in an
Speaker 1: evergreen world. Now I get that you can't just do
Speaker 1: you know the same world with Hey, here's Tier nine,
Speaker 1: Like I understand that. But you just bleed it, try
Speaker 1: and bleed it until it's bled dry, and then you
Speaker 1: decide whether or not you're doing a fucking expansion off
Speaker 1: on another fucking place or whatnot. But anyway, I'm venturing
Speaker 1: off track here, back to we'll talk about all this
Speaker 1: when we're doing the guild meeting for Classic plus guys.
Speaker 1: That's the Friday team sorted. I want to shout out
Speaker 1: my Saturday fucking legends and read you out the following
Speaker 1: roster of absolute chads. All right, meet your team again.
Speaker 1: The time for this raid will be and we've got
Speaker 1: a couple of slots open for so Pricky years up
Speaker 1: in case you might be interested. The time for this
Speaker 1: raid is an intriguing one in that it's on at
Speaker 1: five pm Eastern Times Saturday, which for everyone else around
Speaker 1: the world is four pm Central two pm West Coast.
Speaker 1: It will be nine am o CE if you're in Sydney,
Speaker 1: eight am for you Queenslanders, and just figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking six am for Perth and Japan and whatnot. So
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. And this is your team. We've
Speaker 1: got our two tanks, Feral Druid, Green Protection Paladin Yak.
Speaker 1: We've got our five healers, two Holy Priests San Blade
Speaker 1: and Mood, a restoration Druid, Hideous John A Restoration Sharman Mikeso,
Speaker 1: and a Holy Paladin for now, probably changing, but we
Speaker 1: shall see in mazy Okay, locked in done? I love it.
Speaker 1: Which one are you earlier? Enhance, Maizie.
Speaker 28: I don't know whatever y'all need.
Speaker 1: I'd love either. I mean, i'd prefer and enhance as
Speaker 1: a greedy warrior, but I don't cared. All right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna put you down early for enhance and
Speaker 1: we'll go from there. Thank you for yelling out, all right,
Speaker 1: So we have four healers and with a new healer spot.
Speaker 1: So if you're a healer and this conversation titilates you
Speaker 1: and that time works for you, yell out. The seven
Speaker 1: Malay DPS. Saras follows myself as a fury warrior Orcinator
Speaker 1: as an arms warrior. Two combat rogues Anti and Og Pubsniffer,
Speaker 1: a feral druid in Taxi, a retribution paladin in Light Times,
Speaker 1: an enhancement shaman in Maizi, and we have ten range dps,
Speaker 1: two Arcane majors Axel and Grimoire, a shadow priest in Voodoo,
Speaker 1: two destruction warlocks in quick Ben and a Noubshi sorry,
Speaker 1: two destruction warlocks that is, an affliction warlock in five Shot,
Speaker 1: and four Beastmaster hunters in Swan, sm Rengo, Cusan, and Ros.
Speaker 1: So that would be a bring our grand total to
Speaker 1: twenty four. So we have one slot as a healer
Speaker 1: available for that raid. So if you are a healer, look,
Speaker 1: as I said, I'm still waiting to hear back from
Speaker 1: three or four healers. The slot may be gone by
Speaker 1: the time I published this podcast, but reach out to
Speaker 1: me anyway and see if it is gone. If you're
Speaker 1: interested when you hear this, okay, if you want to
Speaker 1: be part of that team. So those are your Saturday Legends,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to throw it open to the boys
Speaker 1: same questions that we ask the Friday team. Look, we'll
Speaker 1: start with Yaki you there or are you busy?
Speaker 4: I'm here?
Speaker 1: Baby, Oh baby, Look it's funny because everyone has made
Speaker 1: the same joke about you over the last few hours,
Speaker 1: and they've all pointed at you. And just for a
Speaker 1: bit of backstory for everyone, we were Honestly, everyone in
Speaker 1: Countdown was devastated when Yak said he was going to
Speaker 1: go play on a different server for TBC. Yak and
Speaker 1: Mazie are amazing people. They're a wonderful combo. We love
Speaker 1: playing the game with them. Both of them said, sorry, Josh,
Speaker 1: We've got our guild with some friends over on nights Layer.
Speaker 1: I shed some tears, Green shed some tears. Were all
Speaker 1: a bit upset, But then I got the most wonderful
Speaker 1: we did. I had the most one. I woke up
Speaker 1: this morning at six am and the most wonderful message
Speaker 1: in the world, which was just a dick pick from Yak.
Speaker 1: And but then under the dick pic was some text
Speaker 1: that said I'm back baby, and I couldn't have been
Speaker 1: more thrilled. So I basically, you know, for whatever reason
Speaker 1: or another, Yak is back with us jack Mates'. Firstly
Speaker 1: and foremost, I'll just say welcome back here at your.
Speaker 4: Home, second home. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Second second home. We'll fucking we'll win you over one
Speaker 1: of these days. Mate, Look, same question I asked the others,
Speaker 1: and I'll ask all the other boys and girls this.
Speaker 1: I sprung the roster on you this morning. You had
Speaker 1: no idea what you were walking into. In all honesty,
Speaker 1: give me an objective assessment. What do you think of
Speaker 1: our raid? Team?
Speaker 11: Mean a late shaman for me, but missus going to
Speaker 11: be shaman. That puts us a two or three.
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty good. That's two for now.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean if you get another rest of shaman healer,
Speaker 11: that'd be perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then we'd be laughing. I do agree. I do
Speaker 1: agree at Green our other tank who will be fearlessly
Speaker 1: charging into danger for us. What do you think of
Speaker 1: the makeup of the raid? Are you happy with it?
Speaker 13: It seems fine, but I haven't actually rated TVCs, so
Speaker 13: but I mean this this is post nerve and everything,
Speaker 13: so it's quite a bit different. We should be fine,
Speaker 13: doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like, so there you go, Marcus. I'll throw
Speaker 1: it over to you. Let's I'm hearing a Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all right, it's fine, mate. Give me some hype, Marcus,
Speaker 1: how do you feel.
Speaker 6: This is like?
Speaker 14: This is the group of the chosen ones. Really, the
Speaker 14: just the people in this group is going to make it.
Speaker 14: I don't like, we might not kill any bosses, but
Speaker 14: we'll have a fun time not killing any bosses.
Speaker 1: We'll have a friendship that last, a friendship that last
Speaker 1: that echoes through the ages.
Speaker 14: Either that or all immediately terrrist apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait for it to terrorist apart. It'll
Speaker 1: be hilarious, it'll be great. Have we still got o
Speaker 1: gpu of Sniffer? Are you there? Mate?
Speaker 25: Oh?
Speaker 1: You still up burning the midnight oil? You love to
Speaker 1: see it? Mate. I've told I've told a few people
Speaker 1: of their importance to this Ray team, and you were
Speaker 1: a key piece of bait to put on the hook
Speaker 1: to coax Marcus into rating with us in TBC. How
Speaker 1: does that make you feel?
Speaker 8: I'm very proud.
Speaker 14: That was Like as of yesterday, I was kind of
Speaker 14: still on the fence because I'm like, oh man, it's
Speaker 14: a lot of effort to do all this stuff, and
Speaker 14: like Classic Plus is probably not that far away. And
Speaker 14: then the names got dropped and Ogpu Sniffer was the
Speaker 14: proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. I'm like, yeah, mate,
Speaker 14: you said of a bitch.
Speaker 8: I mean, eh, no, I'm all in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Oh actually, can I can I
Speaker 1: say something now about the team that hopefully will make
Speaker 1: everyone's nipples a little bit harder? Yak, I've done it.
Speaker 1: I've I've filled out the final slot in the team.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know who it is? I forgot about? Now? Look,
Speaker 1: this person has a very complicated relationship with Countdown. I
Speaker 1: won't say who it is, just is just yet. We'll
Speaker 1: do a little bit of it. This is your life,
Speaker 1: and see if you can guess who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: This is someone who's been nearly big with us since
Speaker 1: the beginning, probably came on to Countdown in U two.
Speaker 1: He is a beloved figure in the community, with many
Speaker 1: many podcast appearances. However, over time he started to develop
Speaker 1: a odd relationtionship with the game of World of Warcraft,
Speaker 1: and whilst he's still happily raid locked on some versions
Speaker 1: of the game, he shunned Countdown and turned his back
Speaker 1: on us as a group of friends because he refuses,
Speaker 1: just flat refuses to ever level in this game. Again.
Speaker 1: He's a leveling he says name, but no, no, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not Balls of Steel, but no, and ends
Speaker 1: with this man has just promised me in direct messages,
Speaker 1: promised me and we know that promises can't be broken
Speaker 1: in this guild that he will be there at seventy
Speaker 1: and he is willing to play whatever the guild needs.
Speaker 1: So do you think you can guess it is?
Speaker 2: Yet?
Speaker 3: Everybody, it's what you.
Speaker 1: Exactly. So we just found our fucking resto shaman baby
Speaker 1: and his name is hunk Oh fuck ha ha that's
Speaker 1: one hun That is one hunky Resto Sharman Voodoo. Do
Speaker 1: you reckon? He will happily take that assignment on have
Speaker 1: we lost Voodu? We've probably lost Voodu? Marcus, what do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he'll do it.
Speaker 14: He'll do it at least for a time, I think
Speaker 14: questions happily? Well, yeah, he'll be happy to do it
Speaker 14: where we make an excellent healing team.
Speaker 1: The motherfucker has been raid logging with other people who
Speaker 1: are not us for the last eighteen months and I
Speaker 1: keep asking him to raid with us and he won't
Speaker 1: do it. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's time
Speaker 1: to pay the piper.
Speaker 5: I want to hear his constructive feedbacks of your raids.
Speaker 1: Yes, if yeah, we'll have to do it uncensored. Hunk
Speaker 1: review of that week's raid for five minutes or something.
Speaker 5: Hunk breaks down Karra for forty five minutes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, forget that. I'd listened to him read the phone book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hunky, Yeah, it would be. It would be Hunk
Speaker 1: after Duck. It'd be a long hour and a half
Speaker 1: long rant about communism in nineteen seventies Queensland politics, and
Speaker 1: somehow he'd weave in Karazan.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 7: This is why we need him.
Speaker 1: That I'm actually Kazan.
Speaker 5: It was only two hours, but his analysis is seven
Speaker 5: hours and thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Look, I'm I'm actually, I'm very very
Speaker 1: happy with that. Seventeen twenty twenty four. Actually, wait, I lie,
Speaker 1: we're still one person short. Wait we've got seventeen twenty
Speaker 1: two twenty four. We are where one person short? So
Speaker 1: how about this to all you lovely listeners out there
Speaker 1: in the Countdown universe, if you heard it, what do
Speaker 1: we we want an Elie Shaman, don't we.
Speaker 29: Or a boomy or a Boomyay, I can play a
Speaker 29: druid because that's kind of on a planet I'm playing,
Speaker 29: And if you need a Boomy, I can play boomy
Speaker 29: for you, and then if, like someday we need a
Speaker 29: healer I can also heal on the druid as well.
Speaker 1: Wait, who is this? I can't see who this is?
Speaker 7: This is ros?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean was I've got you down as
Speaker 1: a Hunter, I was. I'm actually glad you spoke up
Speaker 1: because I was gonna missage all of you Hunters because
Speaker 1: we have four of them in the guilds in the
Speaker 1: raid team. I'm more than happy. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: If you if you made if you love Hunter, I
Speaker 1: don't care about running with four Hunters, that's fine. But
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, well, if you're fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty about choosing classes, let me know.
Speaker 28: I'm like the definition of phil like I have truly
Speaker 28: played all the classes in this game, and like that's.
Speaker 7: What I mean.
Speaker 27: So if you guys need a boomy in your raid spot,
Speaker 27: I'd be more than happy to be the boomy for
Speaker 27: your raid spot, and then I can like alternate as
Speaker 27: a healer if one of our healers are sick one day,
Speaker 27: because you know, you can go rest a boomy pretty easily.
Speaker 1: Yack everything you're playing Hunter at all? Everything is coming
Speaker 1: up Millhouse yack.
Speaker 11: I heard Bumken and I'm on board.
Speaker 1: This is fucking amazing. This is it's like all my
Speaker 1: Christmas has come at once. Ross, You're a fucking legend.
Speaker 1: All right, get this balance Druid Ros alright, don't man,
Speaker 1: that's it. Don't let me down. Rose. I want to
Speaker 1: see you in there.
Speaker 4: All right, I'll be there, Josh, I promise.
Speaker 1: All right. Fuck that that means if we get an
Speaker 1: Elie Shaman, we are fucking laughing. We are just straight up.
Speaker 1: Now you're still a shadow priest. Fuck you?
Speaker 4: You do this job?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So, and I'll likely swap from our Canda enhance, so
Speaker 3: we'll have two enhancers for.
Speaker 1: Okay, how to be honest with me? Because again I
Speaker 1: can't Again, I always my favorite line is I can't
Speaker 1: stress this enough. I can't stress this enough. Actual, I
Speaker 1: will play with whatever fucking ray team I get given.
Speaker 1: But what are the odds now that you change to enhance.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've said I would rather play enhance. That's always
Speaker 3: been the case. But it's a question question get up
Speaker 3: to sixty time, but that I think is more likely.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, all right, here's what I'll do. I will
Speaker 1: confidently put you down as an enhanced shaman. How about that?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, okay, let's do that.
Speaker 3: That way we we force with one of my blanking
Speaker 3: on this name.
Speaker 1: We forced food into shadow.
Speaker 3: No the mage, the other mage you can't swift.
Speaker 7: Yeah, is a urcane.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 8: I'll have I'll have a pale all and all do
Speaker 8: dungeons and stuff.
Speaker 6: That'll be fun.
Speaker 1: Enhancement shaman axel very good. Okay. So that means, boys
Speaker 1: and girls, that we are one person short. And this
Speaker 1: is where we reach out to the Countdown community and say,
Speaker 1: you know, this is fucking Countdown idol. If you want
Speaker 1: to be on the Countdown Ray team, I mean, like
Speaker 1: I say, I really will take anyone, So still reach out.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say this much. I'd fucking love an
Speaker 1: Ellie Sharman. I would just do. Is that? Can I
Speaker 1: actually ask the whole team is that what we want
Speaker 1: as our last TPS slot or do you think there's
Speaker 1: a better choice? It would be fifth?
Speaker 8: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, boys and girls, everyone in Countdown, if you can
Speaker 1: read on a Saturday, a late Saturday afternoon, NA time,
Speaker 1: East Coast, fucking hit your boy up because we're looking
Speaker 1: for elemental sharman. So I want you lightning bolt flinging
Speaker 1: motherfuckers to just send me all the dms saying Josh,
Speaker 1: I'm your man, and I'd love to get you in there,
Speaker 1: all right, so we shall see what happens there. Fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm five five? Are you happy? What do you think?
Speaker 7: I'm mozerch covid clearly, No, I honestly I'm pumped to
Speaker 7: get back in reading. Honestly, you guys are awesome. Man,
Speaker 7: It's gonna be a fun time.
Speaker 1: Oh, Wed, you're you're with the the clown crew, so
Speaker 1: do do be wary of the Marcus and I are
Speaker 1: going to have the comedy value set high. And look,
Speaker 1: we we we aim to clear content, but we mostly
Speaker 1: aim to be the greatest fucking social guild of all time.
Speaker 1: Isn't that right?
Speaker 6: Food, your skill set will be very low.
Speaker 1: Don't say that. Don't say that. Well, actually that's another
Speaker 1: benefit because Jack has said he will put us all
Speaker 1: on his back and carry us to glory, isn't that right? Jack?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 4: So that would put you all on.
Speaker 6: And she would carry us.
Speaker 3: Okay, now, yeah, I'm not going to walk my own
Speaker 3: self to glory.
Speaker 1: Look, yack, I mentioned earlier. The one joke that everyone
Speaker 1: made about you that I forgot to finish this thought
Speaker 1: was everyone was surprised to see you in the Saturday
Speaker 1: team and not the Friday team because they go, well,
Speaker 1: the Friday team is kind of a bit more serious
Speaker 1: about the game. Wouldn't that be up Jack's alley? And
Speaker 1: I said, Yack will fucking go where I tell Yak
Speaker 1: to go. Well, no, that's not quite the case. But
Speaker 1: the rostering worked out better for you on the Saturday
Speaker 1: But made is it going to be the case that
Speaker 1: you know? Are you going to be rating with us
Speaker 1: for thinking of the Friday team?
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm always thinking about Las.
Speaker 1: Do you picture Laz's face while you make love to me?
Speaker 1: That's very impersonal? Okay, sometimes it's green, very good, very good.
Speaker 1: All right, Look, this is going to be a fucking
Speaker 1: fun group. I promise you that, guys, This Saturday right
Speaker 1: team is going to be a real fun group. So
Speaker 1: you've done well. All right, now to the Saturday team.
Speaker 1: I also say, I really want you to shout me
Speaker 1: down if you're not okay with this. Is everyone The
Speaker 1: majority of people okay with tossing aside the plus one
Speaker 1: system and just going fucking good old fashioned need greed
Speaker 1: s R.
Speaker 14: It's a bold strategy. Let's see it plays out.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, speak now forever.
Speaker 14: I'm not going to be the hand grenade guy. All right,
Speaker 14: I'm not going to be that guy.
Speaker 1: I I think you'll I think you'll help me shame
Speaker 1: people who try to be a loot cockhead markers.
Speaker 14: If I'm not leading the charge, I'll be close second,
Speaker 14: very good.
Speaker 3: So you'll be giving as.
Speaker 1: I vow, I vow, I pledge this album, I pledge
Speaker 1: this unit. As infatuated as I am with Lou, I
Speaker 1: shall not vacuum at all. Up now, having said that,
Speaker 1: I do notice that we only have two warriors. So
Speaker 1: should certain gear fall to me by a fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty roll, then that's another case. Well, actually, now we've
Speaker 1: got what have we got? A red paladin and two
Speaker 1: warriors with the red won't roll on a plate warrior gear,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think, so. Yeah, So there's a fury warrior
Speaker 1: and an arms warrior, and that's who I'll be competing
Speaker 1: with on gear. That's fine, Orcinator and I will do
Speaker 1: the good old fashioned dice rolls out in the back
Speaker 1: alley man.
Speaker 8: He's a good point.
Speaker 1: Who so who knows Orcanador? Who said that that he's
Speaker 1: my friend? I see see that's right, he's one of
Speaker 1: your fucking EU mates.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, we went to school to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the guy that lives down the road
Speaker 1: from you in fucking Iceland.
Speaker 8: Yeah all right.
Speaker 1: You'll pull him in line, you'll you'll word him up.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I got him in a.
Speaker 13: Very good, very good it's a long leash if he
Speaker 13: lives down the road.
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of the beauty. I love this.
Speaker 1: The beauty of the Saturday Raid is we are truly
Speaker 1: the epitome of a worldwide raid. Now, stuff like this
Speaker 1: doesn't get done very often in our guys. We've got
Speaker 1: a handful of people from Europe, we've got a handful
Speaker 1: of people from Australia. We've got a Kiwi and we've
Speaker 1: got fucking East Coast, West Coast, our good friend. Fucking
Speaker 1: h is it taxi or lighttime? So I forget light
Speaker 1: Time's the red Paladin, right, he's a lovely Kiwi man.
Speaker 1: So we we spread our hands across the world, this
Speaker 1: Saturday Ray team, and the sun never sets on this
Speaker 1: countdown raid. It'll be beautiful it'll be a fucking thing
Speaker 1: of beauty.
Speaker 8: It's glorious.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So look, that's that's that, guys. Is there anything
Speaker 1: else that we need to cover that I've forgotten about
Speaker 1: in terms of setting a platform for this guild and
Speaker 1: these two raid teams moving forward?
Speaker 5: You want to talk about the guild bank you mentioned earlier?
Speaker 1: Oh, thank god, thank you for reminding me. Please all right,
Speaker 1: my my, my raiders in arms, my fellow countdown, people
Speaker 1: who I love like sons and daughters. I come to
Speaker 1: you as a man who has made grave mistakes in
Speaker 1: the past with guild banks. I have no fucking idea
Speaker 1: how these things work. I have never deposited anything in
Speaker 1: a guild bank in my life. I've never withdrawn anything
Speaker 1: from a guild bank in my life. If I'm going
Speaker 1: to GM effectively through TBC, with assistance from you guys
Speaker 1: and my delegates, how the fuck do we run a
Speaker 1: good guild bank.
Speaker 14: And to the one of the several being counters we've
Speaker 14: got in the guild count.
Speaker 1: I want a man, want a man delegate.
Speaker 8: That's it's not going to be.
Speaker 14: Like egalitarian If Vood is in charge of it, it'll
Speaker 14: be very self serving.
Speaker 6: Who run a tight ship on that guild bank?
Speaker 1: So is he is? He? Is he the gate keeper?
Speaker 25: Your bank is gonna be split between the two reads
Speaker 25: to right.
Speaker 8: Yes, maybe the bank, but a page for like a tab.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the best way.
Speaker 14: And it's not because voods at all selfish. It'd be
Speaker 14: purely for the main value.
Speaker 1: This will be hilarious. Steal all the goal, This.
Speaker 6: Would be funny.
Speaker 14: I'll move all this gold.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll take the job.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean, voter, if you want it,
Speaker 1: you can have it. Does anyone object to Voodoo being
Speaker 1: the gatekeeper of the guild bank?
Speaker 6: This get down the path. No one's going to object?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8: I would nominate Axl personally.
Speaker 1: Axel.
Speaker 5: Do you want to do it?
Speaker 1: Who wants to?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 1: Act? No, I'm not going to put this on anybody.
Speaker 1: If Voodoo wants to do it, he can do it.
Speaker 1: But does anyone actually want to do it? Yeah, voodo, Voodoo, Congratulations,
Speaker 1: the job is yours. I trust you. Look, we joke
Speaker 1: and we funk around, but he'll be a good boy.
Speaker 1: So do you now, Voodoo? Do you know how much
Speaker 1: do you know how to run a guild bank? No?
Speaker 1: Not the not the foggiest.
Speaker 23: I think we deserve to hear the resume qualification.
Speaker 1: Yeah, convince us to hire you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, can you bounce the check's book.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what. I'll run it. If there's any
Speaker 6: objections while I'm running it, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 8: Then.
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think? What do
Speaker 1: you think? Right now? Running a guild bank involves.
Speaker 6: Lots of our lots of hard work.
Speaker 3: Oh, here we go, mouth so we can hear you.
Speaker 1: All right now look in all seriousness, guys, whilst I
Speaker 1: have a vague idea of how most guilds do it.
Speaker 1: You know, unwanted, unwanted items get d shards get thrown
Speaker 1: in banks. You know, certain trade goods get put aside
Speaker 1: for the guilt to withdraw when they need them for
Speaker 1: enchance or crafting or what have you. Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: high priced boes get sold off, the gold deposited into
Speaker 1: the build bank. Guild bank blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Use that money to then reinvest in mats for the
Speaker 1: guild bank so that everyone gets free in chants. I
Speaker 1: get the general gist of the guild bank. But for
Speaker 1: all you guys who have been in hardcore guilts over
Speaker 1: the years. What more is there to it that I'm missing?
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you deal with people, you know,
Speaker 1: needing stuff from the guild bank and also making sure
Speaker 1: that there is enough they supply there to make the demand.
Speaker 8: I can tell you just for if we have a
Speaker 8: tab for each raid, which I'd like for my for
Speaker 8: my raid team, unless someone else wants to raid lead.
Speaker 8: I think we decided I was going to do it.
Speaker 8: I would like to stockpile primals to get for example,
Speaker 8: and for tier five, I would like to help or
Speaker 8: or Druid or prop Pallu or excuse me or prop
Speaker 8: warrior tanks whoever they're going to be other than me.
Speaker 8: They're gonna need nature and frost resist gear, so I'd
Speaker 8: like to like stockpile mats, you know, to help them out,
Speaker 8: enchanting you know, materials, so we can try to help
Speaker 8: out people within chance. And then for later tiers, we're
Speaker 8: gonna need shadows of gear for black temples, so I'd
Speaker 8: like to start farming that stuff and putting it in there.
Speaker 8: That's just those tend to be bottled next. You know,
Speaker 8: no one, no one really wants to, you know, spend
Speaker 8: gold on you know, resist gear. It's not fun, but
Speaker 8: that's one thing the guild bank can do to help people,
Speaker 8: to help the raid teams out.
Speaker 25: No, I agree, especially especially in Chance. I've always been
Speaker 25: in a guild where the guild bank always provided with raiders,
Speaker 25: especially they get their biss or close abyss or the
Speaker 25: phase biss. They always provide it in Chance. So I
Speaker 25: think that's a very good thing to do for guild banks.
Speaker 8: And I'm going to beat the enchanter so I can.
Speaker 8: It'll be easy for me to enchant people's stuff.
Speaker 25: Yeah, especially we're ding stuff and where you know what
Speaker 25: it needs in the bank or you know our slaughter
Speaker 25: or whatever people are contributing and whatnot. So it's a
Speaker 25: give and take.
Speaker 3: I personally would put somebody who is an auction house
Speaker 3: Scotlin in charge of the guild Bank, because they had
Speaker 3: have a beat on what prices are.
Speaker 1: That's why I want That's why I want a to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, That's that's why.
Speaker 3: I want Green to do it.
Speaker 1: Can wait? Is there a will to way we can?
Speaker 5: You can have multiple people.
Speaker 1: Can we bully you into do any sexual or not?
Speaker 8: I would I.
Speaker 3: Would co manage it with Green. How about that? Green,
Speaker 3: what's you.
Speaker 13: I'm not usually that good with gold, just to be
Speaker 13: perfectly honest, And I've never played TVC.
Speaker 8: Before, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: But you check the auction house regularly enough to have
Speaker 3: an idea if something is up or down, and I
Speaker 3: think that's ultimately kind of what matters. More.
Speaker 1: Just I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: To tell us why ship will go up and down.
Speaker 3: We just need to know, like in that particular moment,
Speaker 3: is it up or down.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. Can I
Speaker 1: just have everyone just everyone take five for a second,
Speaker 1: voodoo make Can I just talk to you over here
Speaker 1: for a second?
Speaker 6: That's good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, just just just just sip outside and just
Speaker 1: stand a quick word. Mate. Look, you know the team
Speaker 1: loves you, and we really appreciate you, know, your positivity,
Speaker 1: and and you just you're so.
Speaker 6: You want me to do the Guild bank still.
Speaker 1: So well about that? About that, mate, You see, I
Speaker 1: really appreciate how keen you are, and you've.
Speaker 6: Already I've got your backing as a friend.
Speaker 1: Well, just we'll get to that. We'll get to that.
Speaker 1: So it's just that you've already done so much for
Speaker 1: the guild you know, playing a class you didn't really
Speaker 1: want to play. You're playing a shadow priest for us, mate.
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to put it on you
Speaker 1: to have to do a second huge role in managing
Speaker 1: the guild bank, like you know you don't have to
Speaker 1: do it. Mate, It's okay.
Speaker 6: Oh no, it's okay.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm telling you it's okay. Voodoo you're out,
Speaker 1: Axel Green you're in. I feel much more comfortable with
Speaker 1: those two than fucking Voter managing the guild bank.
Speaker 4: Terror is over.
Speaker 1: Your last once once, Garamouchie.
Speaker 8: But it don't feel bad, Josh. The same conversation with
Speaker 8: me yestually when I asked for on Saturday read tim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ladzi's gutted. I keep telling lads that we've got
Speaker 1: the No Lads Club on Saturday, and he's gutted because
Speaker 1: he keeps trying to weasel into the Saturday team, and
Speaker 1: I keep telling him no because I don't want him
Speaker 1: to rate on two teams and burn out before Classic
Speaker 1: Plus because I want all these fucking fricks playing Classic
Speaker 1: Plus with us. But also my favorite part that I
Speaker 1: didn't mention on the recording that I'll say again is
Speaker 1: as soon as I announced half the rosters with like
Speaker 1: shitloads of TB at slots everywhere. Lads looked at it
Speaker 1: and d nds me straight away and goes, oh, mate, look,
Speaker 1: I can see you've got Green on his feral druid
Speaker 1: tanking for you guys. No, no, no, no, nah, you
Speaker 1: want to give Green to me like he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's new to TBC. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want him maintanking for you, like, come on, baby,
Speaker 1: just give him to me. Will will all ease him
Speaker 1: into it. It's okay, I said, fuck off, I know
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I've played knife he spooning before he's
Speaker 1: fucking out tank. Do you confirm or deny this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That you fucking piece of Yeah, that's the first hour.
Speaker 1: Thank you for mentioning kangaroo court, I will say.
Speaker 8: Guys, which Axel is also terrible at dhancement. Gentlemen, he's
Speaker 8: gonna drag your team down.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'll give him a chance. I'll give him
Speaker 1: a chance. I've got some Sharman news for you, breaking
Speaker 1: Sharman news for the Countdown Raiders coming right up. I
Speaker 1: just want to say, while I remember, guys, all all
Speaker 1: of you here. Kangaroo Court will be a feature of
Speaker 1: the podcast throughout TBC Classic Anniversary. I really really encourage
Speaker 1: you guys to please do me a favor and just
Speaker 1: right down ship when it happens. I will create a
Speaker 1: Kangaroo Court channel in the discord when something when someone
Speaker 1: does something funny and dumb and you want to have
Speaker 1: a laugh about it on the podcast and bring it
Speaker 1: up to the world, write it down in the Kangaroo
Speaker 1: Court channel so that we don't fucking forget, because I
Speaker 1: know I'm the biggest victim of thinking something was hilarious
Speaker 1: and then I don't write it down. A week later
Speaker 1: we record the podcast and I go, oh, what was
Speaker 1: that fucking thing that happened? Oh, I can't remember. Just
Speaker 1: I want us to roast each other on a fucking
Speaker 1: regular basis in good fun, not being nasty. But you know,
Speaker 1: when the fun wipe or the silly argument comes up,
Speaker 1: then fucking roast away amongst your fellow Countdown people. So
Speaker 1: just be aware the Kangaroo Cord is coming back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Now listen, what's the fucking sound effect
Speaker 1: I can do here of the news wire breaking news
Speaker 1: Countdown fans. I just recently put out a worldwide search
Speaker 1: for an elemental shaman to join the Saturday Raid team.
Speaker 1: I knew that sport would be swooped up quickly, but
Speaker 1: I did not anticipate it being swooped up this quickly.
Speaker 1: Now we have an elemental shaman. So the Saturday Raid
Speaker 1: is now full, So rejoice all you Saturday Raiders. The
Speaker 1: interesting part is who is playing that elemental shaman? Now,
Speaker 1: not Hunk. We've got Hunk on the rest o Shaman.
Speaker 1: He's locked in. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. It's
Speaker 1: not TC Green. You all know him, you all love him.
Speaker 1: He hails from the Great White North. He is he
Speaker 1: is a count, and it is Ale.
Speaker 6: We have a benefit.
Speaker 1: Can you hear us? He is not step Ah there
Speaker 1: he is yet my man?
Speaker 2: Ale?
Speaker 1: Hello, hey, hey, what what is doing? My friend? What
Speaker 1: is what is this? What is this gigantic move for
Speaker 1: you to come raid with the Countdown crew?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm playing TBC, but only PDP on another server,
Speaker 2: and so I kind of wanted to start reading a
Speaker 2: bit too, So I've had my ear to the ground
Speaker 2: and an opportunity presented itself.
Speaker 1: So you saw the bat signal come up and it
Speaker 1: was just a hockey stick in the air, and you've
Speaker 1: put on your cape and flown in and said I'll
Speaker 1: play whatever you need is Ellie Shaman up your alley?
Speaker 1: Are you okay with that?
Speaker 14: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, big time?
Speaker 1: Oh baby, hey, I mean fuck, this has gone even
Speaker 1: better than I could have ever imagined. Mate, I'm excited
Speaker 1: if you now, Ale, you got to stick this one out, baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen to a classic until we're all we're.
Speaker 1: All here until classic plus until the next big thing
Speaker 1: sweeps this out of fl feet. Absolutely there you go,
Speaker 1: fucking Marcus. Let me we're throwing it to the to
Speaker 1: the ground for in the moment reactions. Marcus, you've just
Speaker 1: heard you'll be rating with the one and only Ale
Speaker 1: as your elemental Sharman for five Shamans in the raid,
Speaker 1: dropping totems left, right and center. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about That's A?
Speaker 8: I feel pretty good.
Speaker 14: It's a. I think it's a pretty tall order to
Speaker 14: ask him to carry twenty four other people though as
Speaker 14: elemental as well. Yeah, it's pretty big, but if anyone
Speaker 14: can do it, it's Ale.
Speaker 1: There you go, crossing over to our tank, Jack, Jack,
Speaker 1: what do you think of this development? Yak is He's
Speaker 1: passed out. He's so happy he's unconscious. We'll throw it
Speaker 1: over to someone else. Let's hear from who we got here?
Speaker 1: Five shot, you'll be rating with the one and only
Speaker 1: Ale of the the Canadian region of the world. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that?
Speaker 7: That's pretty sweet about five miles from the border.
Speaker 1: Oh biz, all right, fuck, it's all happening. It is
Speaker 1: all happening.
Speaker 7: What area Canada?
Speaker 1: Only?
Speaker 2: Only?
Speaker 1: If no, Dale, only if he's okay? Well, hang on, Ale,
Speaker 1: if you're okay? Saying have you said before? We're part
Speaker 1: of Canada? You're from on the show.
Speaker 2: West Coast?
Speaker 1: Were West Coast? So then five the East Coast and
Speaker 1: West Coast.
Speaker 7: I'm like Midwest they call it. It's I'm in Detroit.
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. So you're right near
Speaker 1: Toronto there.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Canada's Wonderland is my favorite place to go.
Speaker 1: There you go. Someone is screaming to the heavens but
Speaker 1: going robot. Well, Ale, look, I'm very, very excited. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: this Friday, this Saturday, Ray team could not have gone better.
Speaker 1: I'm stoked. We've got a lot of very So the
Speaker 1: aim was also to put similar personalities together, and I
Speaker 1: think that the Saturday Rad crew has, you know, minds
Speaker 1: to think alike on it, and I think the Friday
Speaker 1: Ray crew has minds to think alike on it. So
Speaker 1: I think that we're going to get a lot of
Speaker 1: really good cohesion. And I also look forward to the
Speaker 1: first person dming me, you know, once all the raids
Speaker 1: come out and saying fuck you and your guild for losers,
Speaker 1: I'm fucking out of here. It'll be great. So that'll
Speaker 1: be you. Yeah, boys, we've done it. Look I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, is there anything else you guys know
Speaker 1: more than me? I'm a first time GM. I'm begging
Speaker 1: you for you to go easy on me. What have
Speaker 1: we missed that you feel needs to be discussed as
Speaker 1: setting the groundwork for this guild moving forward in raid?
Speaker 1: What are we doing guys that might just about do it?
Speaker 1: What are we where? Two hours and fifteen minutes into
Speaker 1: this guild meeting, So we can sort of stop the
Speaker 1: quote unquote guild meeting. But I'll just end with this
Speaker 1: one final point. Guys heard me flirt the concept of
Speaker 1: a third raid team at the beginning of this conversation.
Speaker 1: Do not feel left out, guys. Countdown will be a
Speaker 1: large guild, and I already have five or six people
Speaker 1: that you couldn't raid or Friday or Saturday. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the two other slots that I'm looking at
Speaker 1: that were really really popular in the surveys I did.
Speaker 1: They are Sunday at eight pm Eastern and Tuesday at
Speaker 1: ten pm Eastern. I am more than happy to assist
Speaker 1: a group of enthusiasts to set up a raid on
Speaker 1: one of those two slots, fuck if not both, if
Speaker 1: for some strange reason, we get enough, which we probably won't,
Speaker 1: but I think it's going to be a stretch to
Speaker 1: set up a third team. But look, once I send
Speaker 1: this podcast out, anything could fucking happen. If you want
Speaker 1: to get a regular I'm not talking about parks, guys.
Speaker 1: These aren't the guys that yeah, Josh, I'll do a
Speaker 1: Carazan once a month. Don't worry. There will be lots
Speaker 1: of casual Karrazans running for you, guys. But if you
Speaker 1: want to set semi serious Raytime raid group that turns
Speaker 1: up weekly, reach out to me and I'll help you
Speaker 1: build your own Ray team for a third Countdown team
Speaker 1: to run on a Sunday or a Tuesday. So please, guys,
Speaker 1: keep reaching out to me, keep signing up and letting
Speaker 1: me know what you want to do. We didn't really
Speaker 1: discuss the Carazan guys. I'll just say this much what
Speaker 1: the plan is. Tell me if you think this all
Speaker 1: this will work. Every week we will split into two
Speaker 1: groups of ten and five people will be a rotating
Speaker 1: roster of five will be left out obviously, and the
Speaker 1: two tens go into Karrazan, so we've got two five
Speaker 1: team cutoffs. Those two teams of five can opt will
Speaker 1: basically open the floor up for them to do one
Speaker 1: of a few things. They can get together on either
Speaker 1: the Friday Ray time or the Saturday Rai time or
Speaker 1: another a Ray time of their own choosing, and knock
Speaker 1: out their own fucking Karrazan for the leftovers, right, that
Speaker 1: would be great, Or the five people on Friday can
Speaker 1: go no, fuck it, We'll just do it now. We'll
Speaker 1: get five Countdown pugs because there will be people in
Speaker 1: Countdown in what will be a large guild saying fuck yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll fill in for your Carazan. Obviously, that comes with,
Speaker 1: you know, loot issues you might need to work out,
Speaker 1: but that's a possibility. And then the other possibilities of
Speaker 1: course you could just find randoms and pug it. I
Speaker 1: would prefer for the two five teams to come together,
Speaker 1: but it's not always going to marry up perfectly. That
Speaker 1: will be for you guys to sort out amongst yourselves
Speaker 1: as the leftovers that week. Does that work for everyone?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Clearly?
Speaker 8: What time?
Speaker 1: So that's what? So the Cara the plan is, tell
Speaker 1: me if I'm doing this right, start with the twenty
Speaker 1: five man's and then we break up into our Carazan
Speaker 1: teams and the going into the raid nine. The five
Speaker 1: people will know they've been left off, so they in discord.
Speaker 1: They can tag the other five and say, hey, Voodoo mate,
Speaker 1: see you've been left off and the other guys have
Speaker 1: been left off this week. Do you want to get
Speaker 1: together on Friday night? Do you want to get to
Speaker 1: it on Saturday night? Do you want to get together
Speaker 1: on another night? You know they can just coordinate amongst themselves.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense perfect?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So yeah, they will know in advance that they're being
Speaker 1: left out, and then that team will will rotate. Now
Speaker 1: you'll also notice another key thing. I've named a strict
Speaker 1: twenty five man team and we don't have a bench.
Speaker 1: I've you tell me if I'm doing this wrong. Guys,
Speaker 1: I've done that for a reason because again, I think
Speaker 1: the Countdown Guild will be large enough that we can
Speaker 1: pick up good people from the Countdown Guild that don't
Speaker 1: raid regularly to fill in if needed, who won't be cockeeds,
Speaker 1: you know, in regards to how we're doing the gear.
Speaker 1: But also we'll you know, give them gear too. We're
Speaker 1: not going to be dickheads. Does that work for you? So,
Speaker 1: like we kind of already have the biggest bench in
Speaker 1: the world, if it makes sense, Are you guys happy
Speaker 1: with that? Or do you think we should have a
Speaker 1: dedicated bench.
Speaker 8: I don't mind, man, I think we should keep if
Speaker 8: you could keep a list of all the people that.
Speaker 1: Like reliable people, sure, yeah.
Speaker 8: And the only advantage I don't think we need it,
Speaker 8: but the advantage of having like those a bench for
Speaker 8: Friday and the bench for Saturdays, we like, we would
Speaker 8: know who to reach out to because maybe they can't
Speaker 8: make Saturday, or they but they want to make Friday,
Speaker 8: or vice versa.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the one good thing about it, and you're
Speaker 1: you're right, lads, You're right that dad would work. The
Speaker 1: only it's also a good thing to use the strengths
Speaker 1: of countdown. So, like, the good thing is if you
Speaker 1: need two people for the Friday raid because two people
Speaker 1: can't make it that week, I can send a ping
Speaker 1: out to three thousand people in the discord saying we
Speaker 1: need to for the fuck can raid this Friday night.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 8: That's that's so much easier. Yeah, let's do it that way.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, we might do it that way. Okay, Look, guys,
Speaker 1: is every are people happy? Are people feeling positive? Talk
Speaker 1: amongst yourselves. Guys, the meeting is adjourned. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for fucking sitting through all that. I'm really happy
Speaker 1: with how that's gone. We can get through more details
Speaker 1: later if we need to. But guys, I love you.
Speaker 1: Look forward to rating with all of you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, how would Marcus? What are we going to
Speaker 1: do with all these fucking Europeans.
Speaker 14: Enjoy their company? Yes, I've found that Europeans are pretty
Speaker 14: fucking wholesome, dudes, I agree, especially like the smaller the
Speaker 14: country they come from, the better they seem to be.
Speaker 6: To be honest.
Speaker 14: Yeah, for Estonians and Icelanders, Yes you do, yes you do.
Speaker 1: Oh very good. So sorry, I will say, uh, just
Speaker 1: to reiterate one last time, we are still for the
Speaker 1: Saturday team is full, guys. The Friday team is looking
Speaker 1: for a tank and three heelers and arranged DPS. Reach
Speaker 1: out to myself. All lads, if you fit the bill. Okay,
Speaker 1: that goes out to all you countdown listeners there in
Speaker 1: the podcast verse. All right, fucking ale, Look, look what
Speaker 1: the fucking cat tragged in? What What a fucking lovely
Speaker 1: surprise to have at the end of the pod?
Speaker 14: Hell yeah, did everybody else just hear that?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: What do you hear?
Speaker 14: You're like your voice just went like weird as I did.
Speaker 1: I moved, I moved, I moved my microphone, so that okay,
Speaker 1: that's good now, guys, Look, I'll just open leave this
Speaker 1: open for conversation, but like I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: you to feel locked into your class either. Like I
Speaker 1: can completely understand if next week or the week after
Speaker 1: you go Josh. Look, I'm so sorry, mate. I fucking
Speaker 1: told you I was playing Destruction Warlock, but I'm just
Speaker 1: really not feeling it. I want to play this class
Speaker 1: instead instead. I'm sure it'll be fine and we can
Speaker 1: make it work. Just reach out to me. I have
Speaker 1: no doubt that we're going to get a few more
Speaker 1: changes over the next couple of weeks, So just don't
Speaker 1: feel locked. The worst thing that could happen is we
Speaker 1: get people playing a class they don't want to play
Speaker 1: outside of Voodoo.
Speaker 6: Here's where you go.
Speaker 5: You're regretting Shadow Priests already.
Speaker 1: No, he does like he likes it. He does like it.
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, I forgot his classes fired guild Bink.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Voodoo. I mean, I don't want to talks
Speaker 1: for you. We're not being mean. You do enjoy Shadow
Speaker 1: Breste right, Oh yeah, I love it. I shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up.
Speaker 5: Oh god, the excitement is.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Link link twice, I know, right.
Speaker 1: Fuck. I we did a we did a heroic just
Speaker 1: earlier on the PCR, and yeah, I was happy with
Speaker 1: my little Fury Warrior. I said I'd play Mage. It's
Speaker 1: funny because I said, I pay my Playmage, and a
Speaker 1: thousand majors signed up, and I said, fine, it's probably
Speaker 1: better for the guild if I play Warrior anyway, because
Speaker 1: then I can, you know, flex tank if need be,
Speaker 1: even though I don't want to really play tank. And
Speaker 1: now all the majors have disappeared, so it's wonderful. So
Speaker 1: I've got some real decisions to make on whether i
Speaker 1: play Major or Warrior. But I'll probably stick with the Warrior.
Speaker 1: But you know, because it's me. Nothing is locked down
Speaker 1: until it's day one of TBC. So is anyone else
Speaker 1: here if he about their class or is everyone pretty confident?
Speaker 14: No, I'm not iffy about giving it a go. I'm
Speaker 14: a bit I'm a bit iffy play it though, but
Speaker 14: I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Rest Druid's pace a pot.
Speaker 3: It's my mic working better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, An
Speaker 3: you guys understanding, Alright. Cool.
Speaker 30: I was gonna say, I'm like, I'm cool playing Drude
Speaker 30: for you guys, but I just want to iterate again too,
Speaker 30: like if there are a bunch of changeups, like I'm
Speaker 30: the most still guy like in like in the guilds.
Speaker 30: So if we end up on a Saturday team needing
Speaker 30: a tank and the tank drops out or a healer
Speaker 30: by the time we actually start TVC, like, I'm not
Speaker 30: locked into Boomy, super happy to play Boomy fore you guys,
Speaker 30: but just a reminder him down for anything.
Speaker 1: See that that's how you get yourself hard. Rest Autumn's people,
Speaker 1: if he can fucking back that positive attitude up on
Speaker 1: the mates. Fucking that's what I'm like.
Speaker 31: To hey man, the meters will be too high if
Speaker 31: I'm a boomy. I don't know if you ever seen
Speaker 31: TBC boomy numbers, sig.
Speaker 3: It up will help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly what We've pretty much got it. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to think of what we're mis seeing, not that
Speaker 1: I would want. I'm happy with this ro stat as
Speaker 1: it's set right now. I'm just trying to think were
Speaker 1: we actually don't have have not that we need it.
Speaker 1: We don't have a survival hunter. We don't have a
Speaker 1: demonology warlock. No one needs one of them. We don't
Speaker 1: have a fire mage, not that you need one. We
Speaker 1: don't have a I think that's about it. We have
Speaker 1: a disc priest. Not that again, it doesn't fucking none
Speaker 1: of it matters.
Speaker 8: Just priest is so good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are, they are.
Speaker 8: I apologize that this already got said.
Speaker 17: Is there like a is there like a date that
Speaker 17: your people are targeting to try to do the first raid?
Speaker 8: Like we're lovely?
Speaker 1: Oh really really good point, great point. We we sort
Speaker 1: of started talking about it. I look, I'm flexible on this,
Speaker 1: but like we're not. We're not doing the You must
Speaker 1: be seventy and fucking ready to raid by day one
Speaker 1: of when the raid comes out. Absolutely not right. But
Speaker 1: in saying that, I don't want to pay take the
Speaker 1: piece and let people like Limp dick their way to
Speaker 1: seventy over six weeks. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I'm open for feedback on this one. This will
Speaker 1: be a group decision. I will basically say my preference
Speaker 1: would be be ready by either the second or the
Speaker 1: third week that the raid is out. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think?
Speaker 9: Mm hmm, that's fair. That's more than enough time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So do we know when the raid is coming
Speaker 7: out as week?
Speaker 8: Is it for sure going to be two weeks after?
Speaker 1: We don't know. I'm guessing two weeks, okay, the two
Speaker 1: weeks or one week that they don't usually do one week.
Speaker 4: I feel like Karra was available the same week.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 9: It could very well be ready for the get go, honestly,
Speaker 9: especially we're testing on it already.
Speaker 11: I don't know about twenty five minutes, but I remember
Speaker 11: doing Cara five days after launch.
Speaker 1: Let's do it this way, Let's forget get that. Let's
Speaker 1: go from the date of launch plus how many days
Speaker 1: do you would you rather be seventy and ready three
Speaker 1: weeks after launch or more or less? It's up to you, guys.
Speaker 1: I think three is maybe a sweet spot, but I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be led.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean three weeks for twenty fives is like
Speaker 11: more than generous?
Speaker 1: Should we should we have? Should we have? Should we have?
Speaker 1: The Like, I want you ready by three weeks after launch,
Speaker 1: but the hard court cut off is four weeks. Basically,
Speaker 1: if you're not ready by four weeks, we'll have to
Speaker 1: replace your slot.
Speaker 11: I would say that about three weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what do you guys think? Anyone else on
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm serious.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I would say three weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't fuck around. That's a second vote for
Speaker 1: cut off for three weeks. What do you other guys think?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So, I mean there would be like a first official
Speaker 3: rate and then there would be like a cut off.
Speaker 3: These are two separate dates, right.
Speaker 1: Or separate two separate dates. I'm happy to give people leeway,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to be like, if you're notady
Speaker 1: in that first rate, you're fucking out. No, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: happy to wait a week or sorry for people to
Speaker 1: catch up.
Speaker 3: Well, what's the cutoff?
Speaker 25: And like we're talking like pre biss.
Speaker 1: Or Oh, I don't care about gee, I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about just get to seventy.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 25: I think three weeks is reasonable, I would say.
Speaker 7: Also, you don't need prebiss to do nerved care.
Speaker 3: Yeah of course, yeah, yeah, you need to take care
Speaker 3: to get your gear to do heroic exactly, exactly.
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think three weeks is a good timeline.
Speaker 1: I only want to say this if everyone's okay with it.
Speaker 1: So someone yell out if you think we're being too harsh.
Speaker 7: Look at someone with no skin in the game.
Speaker 31: The way guilds that I've done it in the past
Speaker 31: is like you said a cut off, Like you're saying
Speaker 31: like three weeks or something, and when a bunch of
Speaker 31: you were already level seventy after five days, you guys
Speaker 31: just go as a non standard group and plug it
Speaker 31: and have a good time and tell them the cut
Speaker 31: off dat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do you think so? Do you think four
Speaker 1: weeks is taking the piers?
Speaker 7: I think that's too much?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wait, too much? Okay, people are going to
Speaker 1: get yeah, all right, all right, three weeks, three weeks,
Speaker 1: it is Voodoo will have to put a boot up
Speaker 1: Hunk's ass. Okay, one of us work the level for him.
Speaker 1: We actually might have to. Like he he's a liability.
Speaker 6: We'll take ano sens.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's so fucking bad.
Speaker 7: Guess I gotta split and looking forward to reading with you.
Speaker 7: Thanks Josh, you.
Speaker 1: Too, man, Thank you, thank you, thank you. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: that that I'd mean it this time, we can just
Speaker 1: shoot the ship. I'd like, we're done with the guild
Speaker 1: stuff that that. Thank you so much for.
Speaker 3: Just in and put himself on follow.
Speaker 1: Look, I mean that's that's probably what what we'll have
Speaker 1: to do with him. I don't know. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: half joking, like we're not going to fucking level for Haunk,
Speaker 1: But like if he really says to me, mate, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to make it. I need you to do it,
Speaker 1: then I consider it. We'll see. Just do the old
Speaker 1: put him on follow, see what happens hypathetically. But Josh,
Speaker 1: that's terms of service. Fucking Josh, you boot yourself from
Speaker 1: the guild. You're breaking the rules. You've I didn't touch
Speaker 1: on the gold buying rule of let's let me quickly
Speaker 1: do that. I'm so sorry everyone. You can't kick people
Speaker 1: out of the guild for buying gold while you're breaking
Speaker 1: terms of service and leveling for your mate, which is
Speaker 1: a fair fair Yeah, exactly, so Voodoo. I just want
Speaker 1: to say this thing for anyone listening at home that
Speaker 1: didn't see my notification of the discord, for all you
Speaker 1: guys here, like, I know you guys know what I've said,
Speaker 1: but I just I need to seriously underline something. M
Speaker 1: We kicked another person out of the guild for gold
Speaker 1: buying two days ago, and they tried to do the
Speaker 1: most ridiculous excuse in the world, even though it was
Speaker 1: incredibly obvious that they bought gold. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear the fucking but how do you know? How
Speaker 1: do you know? I wasn't born yesterday. I'm not a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot. So it's a shame because I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy's a nice guy and he was keen to raid
Speaker 1: with us, and now I'm sorry, but he's wearing the
Speaker 1: social ramifications of not being able to raid with us
Speaker 1: because I fucking caught him gold buying. And you guys know,
Speaker 1: I have like three or four massive issues with Wow
Speaker 1: like bugbears, and gold buying is one of them. So
Speaker 1: I just want to put it out there to people
Speaker 1: that I am not fucking joking when I say I
Speaker 1: will boot you without thinking if you even give me
Speaker 1: half a reason to think you've bought gold. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing that people are struggling with, Like, it's not
Speaker 1: Josh has to prove I'm buying gold, it's if Josh
Speaker 1: suspects that I am buying gold, I am gone from
Speaker 1: this guild. So it's on you to do everything to
Speaker 1: avoid me suspect you of buying gold. Okay, Now, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that people can get wealthy in this game and
Speaker 1: that there are perfectly plausible arguments out there as to
Speaker 1: why you have wealth, but don't do the dumb one
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, hey, hey, I'll buy gold and
Speaker 1: just told tell him I haven't slept for a week,
Speaker 1: and I mind seven days in a row. And that's
Speaker 1: why I've got all this shit. I can fucking put
Speaker 1: two and two together, and no one is safe. And
Speaker 1: this goes to Marcus, this goes to Voodoo, this goes
Speaker 1: to Ale, this goes to Hunk, especially, it goes to
Speaker 1: those guys I don't care how tight we are. I
Speaker 1: will fucking unceremoniously boot you from the guild and laugh
Speaker 1: while doing it if I catch you buying gold end
Speaker 1: a story. Do not think you're safe. I'm wearing the
Speaker 1: friendship blanket. No, you're fucking not. The rule applies to everyone.
Speaker 1: You're gone, No debates, no questions asked. This is a
Speaker 1: big thing for me. Guys, don't fuck with me on
Speaker 1: this is that okay for everyone?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, yep, all right.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 1: People have made fun of me because I remember there
Speaker 1: was that guy a few years ago when the fresh
Speaker 1: Rath Servers or whatever came out and the content creator
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna make an ethical guild and all
Speaker 1: that shit. Like people have sort of already started teasing
Speaker 1: me about trying to do something similar, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I look, I'm not trying to like get
Speaker 1: too high up on my soapbox here. It's just like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's wild to ask people not to
Speaker 1: fucking buy gold and cheat. Says the guy who says
Speaker 1: he'll level a character for his friend, So you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 9: Well, here, here's the biggest thing with that, Josh is
Speaker 9: you buy gold and say, you know, you got a
Speaker 9: couple of guillies are like, hey, man, spectually gold to
Speaker 9: help get some bags, could you help out? You trade
Speaker 9: that gold to that person, they're then at risk. Okay,
Speaker 9: I've seen that happen and it's just not pretty. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean you're putting somebody else to at risk a
Speaker 9: getting banned as well.
Speaker 1: All of you guys here are wearing the fucking protection
Speaker 1: of a guild that does not give a shit. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not a guild that expects amazing results of
Speaker 1: You don't stare at the meters and be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I've got to buy gold because I have
Speaker 1: to have X, Y and Z consume or this guild
Speaker 1: will turf me, or oh my god, I have to
Speaker 1: get ninety nine. This is not the past guilt. Look
Speaker 1: look the Friday team. If they want to do the
Speaker 1: past thing, they're allowed to. You guys, allows, if you
Speaker 1: want to build that culture in you go nuts. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm more mean, like, I don't care if people you
Speaker 1: know a log for like, they do the log so
Speaker 1: that they can submit their passes. I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: Go nuts. But I don't want a culture being built
Speaker 1: where it's ninety nine, or fuck off the whole thing
Speaker 1: with the Saturday team. I can assure you, and I
Speaker 1: would implore the Friday team to do the same. Is
Speaker 1: we don't care what you're passing. Press your buttons and
Speaker 1: you're safe. If I catch you not pressing your buttons,
Speaker 1: then we're having a different conversation. Okay, but if you're
Speaker 1: just doing average DPS for your class, that's fine. We're
Speaker 1: downing the content. Who gives a fuck. I don't expect
Speaker 1: you to be the best in the world. But if
Speaker 1: you're not pressing your buttons, and I look at your
Speaker 1: fucking logs and you're pressing a GCD every six seconds,
Speaker 1: now we're going to have a very serious conversation about
Speaker 1: whether or not you can keep your slot in this raid. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a very different thing. We don't care about passes.
Speaker 1: If you get a fucking thirty pass every week, but
Speaker 1: you're pressing your buttons, I don't care. So don't feel
Speaker 1: compelled to buy gold because you think you're in a
Speaker 1: high performance guild. You're not. Huh there, I got it
Speaker 1: out of my system.
Speaker 14: We also spreads like the plague. You know, we'll let
Speaker 14: it go, then more people feel compelled or are compelled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's give him, Let's give him the plague.
Speaker 8: Yeah, speaking of parses, Josh, if you're okay with it,
Speaker 8: I mean my vision I guess for the right team
Speaker 8: is I want to encourage people to play as hard
Speaker 8: as they want to and they play their best, and
Speaker 8: to consume it's hard, and to research their class and
Speaker 8: to try to get look at logs to get better
Speaker 8: for themselves personally. But I hate parts culture and I'm
Speaker 8: just gonna tell everyone if you if I see you
Speaker 8: bragging like in raid chat or you know, in voice
Speaker 8: about like your ninety nine parts, the very next day,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna promise people, I'm gonna come to you Josh
Speaker 8: and say, can I replace this person?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm kind.
Speaker 8: I was just gonna it's gonna be your choice, not mind.
Speaker 6: Like I'm just said.
Speaker 8: Days, I want to want get better, but.
Speaker 1: Log away, log away, will log you log I'm more
Speaker 1: than happy to look at your log and see what
Speaker 1: you can improve. Go nuts, make a friendly joke amongst friends,
Speaker 1: I don't care. But when if someone starts talking in
Speaker 1: an obnoxious way about their passes, you'll be fucking treading
Speaker 1: on thin Ice.
Speaker 8: Cool. Yeah, same page. I hate that ship, like, oh
Speaker 8: I did better in this fight than you on, you know,
Speaker 8: in a co op game that's been out for twenty
Speaker 8: five years, Like it doesn't. I'm not impressed by it.
Speaker 8: I think it just it puts pressure on other people
Speaker 8: and it's just done. I think it's not cool.
Speaker 5: You could have positive parse culture like you could we
Speaker 5: like when we did in Understand, like hey man, hey
Speaker 5: take got a ninety nine, man, awesome job, or you know,
Speaker 5: Hitler got ninety nine.
Speaker 4: It's great.
Speaker 5: You know, it's not it's not invoking the word.
Speaker 1: Invoking the word past doesn't get you fucking booted. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is, obviously, you know, you know when
Speaker 1: a line's being crossed, when it's obnoxious or negative or whatnot,
Speaker 1: like none of that, fucking none of that, because this
Speaker 1: is not the guild for that. If you want to
Speaker 1: do that, there's so many other guilds out there for you.
Speaker 1: Celebrate high performance, but you don't need to punish it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And the people who the people who, you know, if
Speaker 1: there are people doing terribly, they will be pulled aside
Speaker 1: and gone, hey man, how can we help you out
Speaker 1: you know, let's try and lift your performance, otherwise we
Speaker 1: might have to replace you. That's fine, that's what it
Speaker 1: should be exactly.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So that's for a RAID leader to call out, not
Speaker 5: for randos to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's not for one hunter to turn to
Speaker 1: the other and go shut the fuck up, mister sixty three.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: So, look, we're going to be fine, but we're not
Speaker 1: the past culture Guild. But in saying that, yes, Vestige,
Speaker 1: I don't want to scare you shitless. You're not going
Speaker 1: to be banned for saying the word passing raids.
Speaker 3: None of us are buying gold. They are able to afford,
Speaker 3: and he consumes.
Speaker 1: Anyway, exactly exactly, So do what you want with consumes.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck my Saturday raid. They won't
Speaker 1: be mandatory, you know, it's the old. It's it sucks
Speaker 1: because you do the old. They're not mandatory but encouraged.
Speaker 1: But then when you say that, everyone thinks they're mandatory
Speaker 1: and turns up with them anyway. Of course, I'll want
Speaker 1: you turning up with consumes, but like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be like, hey man, you're out of the raid
Speaker 1: because you didn't bring consumes this week. I just don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. I don't give a fucking particularly in
Speaker 1: phase one, Phase one, I don't give a fuck. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll get it done. We'll get it done. We'll sort
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the guild will be happy the last we
Speaker 3: can get. We can consume while.
Speaker 1: Mmmmm, we'll sort out things like the guild. You know,
Speaker 1: profession people like I don't know what if you guys,
Speaker 1: you probably have put a lot of thought already into
Speaker 1: what professions you're gonna do. We'll have the guild enchanter,
Speaker 1: we'll have the guild fucking Taylor all that shit. Who
Speaker 1: is going to be out fucking super sweaty and chance.
Speaker 1: Has anyone giving any thoughts to that?
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm going and chanting, but I don't necessarily
Speaker 8: care if I have the enchant. I just want to
Speaker 8: make sure whatever does you better be online, right, Like
Speaker 8: I hate when people get the enchant and they raid
Speaker 8: log and then no one ever get their chance. So
Speaker 8: I don't mind being that people but person but I
Speaker 8: know some people really love collecting all the chance, and
Speaker 8: I'm happy to let them do it. But unless someone
Speaker 8: like steps up all for my.
Speaker 15: Team, and I was planning on doing doing and chanting
Speaker 15: and you know, going into that hole selling in chance
Speaker 15: and that's kind of what I wanted to do with Mage.
Speaker 7: So hell yeah, I've never never done that before, but
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 1: I play a lot, so Saturday, right, I will love you.
Speaker 13: I'm probably doing enchanting as well, and I am like
Speaker 13: always available.
Speaker 1: So who is anyone who's going through the pain, who's
Speaker 1: going through the pain of crafting?
Speaker 19: Uh?
Speaker 1: Something like a fucking dragon More or anything? Who's doing
Speaker 1: intense crafting professions?
Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah and the maze.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they changed it back. They changed it again,
Speaker 1: so you can't on the PTR. That changed it again.
Speaker 1: So you can't you wheel dragon More.
Speaker 3: Oh you can't do a wheel them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you quoted the start of PTR and
Speaker 1: now you can't.
Speaker 3: You can't you can do in the in the first well,
Speaker 3: I guess the second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a light change.
Speaker 3: The flasmith well.
Speaker 19: To craft the tier three of it for your main hand,
Speaker 19: and then you'd be able to craft the tier two
Speaker 19: for your office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the one of them is still amazing.
Speaker 25: Yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah, you should be able to
Speaker 25: get like the tier two or Tier three version, you
Speaker 25: still use the tier two or tier one version of it.
Speaker 25: That was the whole like overpowered thing of it.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 19: Because it's once you create it, it's a mainhand. Once
Speaker 19: you get to the tier three version of it, it's
Speaker 19: mainhand only. But I believe it's one hand the first
Speaker 19: two tiers, so you would craft the third tier put
Speaker 19: it into your main hand, and then you would craft
Speaker 19: the second tier and put it into your off hand.
Speaker 19: And I believe you get the hase proc with the
Speaker 19: second tier, so you would be able to double up
Speaker 19: on your hase PROCs. Still just dual wielding the dragon manes.
Speaker 1: Anyone, anyone being a super sweaty jewel craft up, Well
Speaker 1: this time no, I know this time.
Speaker 8: Lily Bett's going jewel crafting.
Speaker 1: Someone else's of you guys say, i'd say that thanks
Speaker 1: for coming along.
Speaker 8: Thank I m you're gonna make so much gold jewell crafting.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's why I was considered going to.
Speaker 8: We're bringing some alchemists too, because you make some serious
Speaker 8: gold with alchemy.
Speaker 25: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Anybody that's uh just gonna be popping in and actually
Speaker 9: starting a bubble at this point. I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 9: to you. Their people right now are starting to put
Speaker 9: kids together. So yeah, right now overpriced, Yeah, they're way overpriced.
Speaker 9: But that's what I mean though, is if you're if
Speaker 9: you're a miner or you know, orbos, whatever it is,
Speaker 9: start getting that ship posted because they're buying them up
Speaker 9: cheaper and putting the kids together and sell them for
Speaker 9: more for more. So I I got I fuck. I
Speaker 9: think yesterday alone, just off of mining and doing quests,
Speaker 9: my pre rec that my prerec quest us. Just yesterday alone,
Speaker 9: I pulled off almost one hundred gold. So I mean
Speaker 9: it's just they're they're buying the shit up quick too,
Speaker 9: because I can't put a true silver deposit up without
Speaker 9: it selling in fuck five minutes.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm not guys. I will at this stage stay on,
Speaker 1: but for the purposes of the podcast, guys, I will
Speaker 1: wrap things up there. Thank you so much for listening
Speaker 1: in everyone. If you want to see or hear more
Speaker 1: of the Shenanigans of this Countdown crew, this is just
Speaker 1: the first step in a long journey. Like I said,
Speaker 1: we will keep you updated through regular podcast appearances. We
Speaker 1: are going to have a lot of laughs, a lot
Speaker 1: of back and forth, some roasting, some fun, some cheering,
Speaker 1: all on the podcast. We are the only fucking guild
Speaker 1: in World of Warcraft that has its own podcasts. All right,
Speaker 1: so all of you guys here, thank you for being
Speaker 1: part of something unique. I want the world to shout
Speaker 1: your name and you know, cheer on your accomplishments. I
Speaker 1: will throw up things on YouTube as I can weave
Speaker 1: it into my timetable. The unedited raids will likely go
Speaker 1: up on YouTube from the Saturday crew, and if I
Speaker 1: have time, I'll put a condensed version of those raids
Speaker 1: up if I have time. If anyone from the Friday
Speaker 1: crew wants to record and post their things to YouTube,
Speaker 1: that would be fucking amazing, but I totally understand if
Speaker 1: no one has that set up. So everyone listening, thanks
Speaker 1: for tuning in, and we will all count you you know,
Speaker 1: speak to you next time on the podcast. Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: And that's the countdown episode to say everyone, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for listening to all of that. I know
Speaker 1: it's a little weird just publicizing a guild meeting, and
Speaker 1: you know you heard me bumbling and fumbling my way
Speaker 1: through decisions. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing
Speaker 1: but I'm trying, so come with this, Come with me
Speaker 1: on this journey of me trying to do this. It'll
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Speaker 1: I want you all to go out and have the
Speaker 1: best time in pre Patch drops in ten days, play
Speaker 1: the PTR, pick your class, roll it and level it
Speaker 1: on pre Patch, or you do your boost if you
Speaker 1: want to, and then I'm sure sure the Dark Portal
Speaker 1: will not be far away from that. We're getting very
Speaker 1: close to having a boatload of fun. Come meet the countdown, Sacrew.
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