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<v Speaker 1>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tristan Stwikie, and I'm so excited for today's episode

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<v Speaker 2>Designing your Next chapter with Jess Lane. Before I dive

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<v Speaker 2>Like to introduce Jess Lane, founder of the Full Cup Company.

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<v Speaker 2>Jess is an award winning marketing and business executive with

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<v Speaker 2>twenty plus years of experience building and scaling world class

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<v Speaker 2>brands across Fortune five hundred, high growth, technology, lifestyle and

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<v Speaker 2>financial services.

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<v Speaker 1>She also has a recent.

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<v Speaker 2>Master's level education in psychology that she is finishing up

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<v Speaker 2>the first half of her career spans iconic global brands

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<v Speaker 2>like Porsche, Visa, nicelob Ultra, Ole, so many others, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as high growth tech companies where she's led teams

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<v Speaker 2>to IPO and Unicorn status. So impressive, so incredible. Jess

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<v Speaker 2>knows what it takes to build at the highest level,

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<v Speaker 2>and she knows what it costs when it's taken away.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Jess.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited to continue our conversation that you and

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<v Speaker 2>I had when we first met me too.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for having me. What an intro.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean, what an incredible kind of really career.

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<v Speaker 2>But that always feels so limiting when you say that,

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<v Speaker 2>because we're going to talk about career pivots we both have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and now that we really coach others through

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<v Speaker 2>that same transition that we had to figure out for

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves and really understand the high highs and the low

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<v Speaker 2>lows of working in you know, fast paced like no

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<v Speaker 2>holes barred, big decisions, no one's done this before environments.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd love to just kind of talk about your

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<v Speaker 2>background more and what led to the pivot that you had.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for sure. I think sometimes looking back things make

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<v Speaker 5>more sense, of course than when we're in them. But

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<v Speaker 5>the cliffs notes for me were, you know, my first

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<v Speaker 5>one years were really spent in as you mentioned, sort

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<v Speaker 5>of these you know, Fortune five hundred brands, and I

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<v Speaker 5>started big and then I slowly went smaller. So I've

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<v Speaker 5>worked on big brands like Practer and Gamble, Portia, Visa,

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<v Speaker 5>and then I went to brands I group on and

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<v Speaker 5>then the real real and you know, I think the

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<v Speaker 5>biggest learning here is that, you know, you start to

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<v Speaker 5>understand best in class principles in terms of how to

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<v Speaker 5>build a brand, uh, and how to really build a

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<v Speaker 5>long standing brand that stand for something in a distinctive,

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<v Speaker 5>differentiated brand, because anyone can really sell cars and toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are commodities if you really think about it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>look at how many options we have and how many

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<v Speaker 5>different brands of those we have, right, so you can

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<v Speaker 5>really start to learn how to create commercial value is

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<v Speaker 5>the point. And the smaller that I went in my

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<v Speaker 5>career in terms of the organizations, the more hands on

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<v Speaker 5>I was, and I was able to actually build those

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<v Speaker 5>things from scratch at the end. So the last company

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<v Speaker 5>I actually worked for.

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<v Speaker 3>My last nine to five was a real high high

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<v Speaker 3>and a real low low.

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<v Speaker 5>Like you said, because we've all experienced these things sort

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<v Speaker 5>of out of our control, and then you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>give our all and so this was a great example

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<v Speaker 5>of something where you know, we reached a billion dollar

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<v Speaker 5>unicorn status as a company, so the smallest company I'd

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<v Speaker 5>ever worked for, the most hands on, I'd let a

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<v Speaker 5>brand launch that had helped contribute to this valuation, so

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<v Speaker 5>really high high. And then yeah, Christmas right before Christmas

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<v Speaker 5>of twenty twenty too was kind of that climax for

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<v Speaker 5>me where I was let go and a mass reduction

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<v Speaker 5>with one hundred and fifty other people. So that's kind

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<v Speaker 5>of the CliffsNotes on the first half. And then that

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<v Speaker 5>led me to where I am today. But I'll pause

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<v Speaker 5>there because I could continue and talk about sort of

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<v Speaker 5>what led me here. But we've all been, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>in a position of transition, and I think that that

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<v Speaker 5>just deserves some acknowledgement.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, Yeah, because I really wanted to highlight kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the exact moment you were done, because I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>this through past coworkers all over LinkedIn where people are choosing,

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<v Speaker 2>like after there's reduction workforce after being let go, and

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<v Speaker 2>they go, actually, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to work in tech anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be a part of this system,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what have you or they're not able to

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<v Speaker 2>as well where they're doing a lot of applications and

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<v Speaker 2>it feels there's clearly a misalignment, right and maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Their highest purpose yea.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we dive in a little bit more into

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<v Speaker 2>the exact moment you're like, oh no, I'm really done, Like.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, okay, because this is actually I think so

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<v Speaker 5>wise of you, because I think it was when I

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<v Speaker 5>started to share these details that I started to see

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<v Speaker 5>community forming around Oh me too, you know, in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of relating in some way. So for me, this soulful

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<v Speaker 5>sort of alignment pivot, but also strategic, I got to

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<v Speaker 5>tell you, because of the market was I applied to

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<v Speaker 5>four hundred and ninety six jobs. So I did what

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<v Speaker 5>we were told to do, which is turn around, be gritty,

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<v Speaker 5>get in there, and we just covered my professional history.

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<v Speaker 5>So it wasn't the best in the world, but I

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<v Speaker 5>was no sloud and even with brands like that on

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<v Speaker 5>the resume, even with experienced impact like that on the resume,

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<v Speaker 5>it was a no go for me, and I started

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<v Speaker 5>to also feel in my body during that time it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>application three hundred. I also have to get real honest

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<v Speaker 5>with myself about do I even want this? And I

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<v Speaker 5>have to tell you every cell in my body was

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<v Speaker 5>saying now I don't. And it's hard because I think

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<v Speaker 5>that a lot of people still to this day will

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<v Speaker 5>be like, we'll just go like, keep on it, keep

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<v Speaker 5>doing it, keep at it. So a lot of my

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<v Speaker 5>friends were like, well, here's this job, and here's this job.

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<v Speaker 5>And at some points I found myself getting a little

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<v Speaker 5>frustrated and being like, I'm not I don't think I'm

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<v Speaker 5>doing that, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But I didn't know what was next.

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<v Speaker 5>So what led what followed was first I had this,

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<v Speaker 5>was a wall full of fluorescent post it so it

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<v Speaker 5>looked like a beautiful mind. And I was mapping, literally

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<v Speaker 5>physically mapping what could be possible for me. And then

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<v Speaker 5>I thought, hold on a second, hold on a second.

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<v Speaker 5>If I am sitting here this kerfuffled in this messy

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<v Speaker 5>of a middle, there's got to be a better way.

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<v Speaker 5>And I've built solutions to things my whole life, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, looked at data and trends, and when I

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<v Speaker 5>looked up and I saw the market too, So there

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<v Speaker 5>was this twofold moment for me. In summary, it was

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<v Speaker 5>this resell on my body. I was forty two, so

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<v Speaker 5>I was sort of looking at what is next just

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<v Speaker 5>from a human development standpoint Eric Erickson, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was also looking at the market for what it

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<v Speaker 5>was telling me, which was the jobs for my specific level,

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<v Speaker 5>my specific talent set just weren't.

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<v Speaker 3>What they used to be.

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<v Speaker 5>But I also knew that more was possible than ever

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<v Speaker 5>before because I was also paying attention. And again I'd

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<v Speaker 5>been looking at data and trends for years. So I

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<v Speaker 5>went back to school to get my master's in psychology,

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<v Speaker 5>which i'm finishing this term, last term, thank you. And

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<v Speaker 5>not everyone has to do that. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 5>upscale in that way.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a purpose driven effort for me to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to have the foundation to go and then create

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<v Speaker 5>something of my own. And I wanted to make sure

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<v Speaker 5>that again just me specifically had that skill set.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I created the full.

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<v Speaker 5>Cup call and I really designed a method that was

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<v Speaker 5>the best of me. It's simple it's just based on

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<v Speaker 5>sort of my psychology education and the best of my

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<v Speaker 5>marketing and I thought, let's solve the problem that I had,

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<v Speaker 5>which was what do I do next?

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<v Speaker 3>And that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>We are so similar and that's why I've loved every

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<v Speaker 2>conversation I've had with you, because exact same story of

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<v Speaker 2>like I was, like, I've done this. I've done this

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<v Speaker 2>with some of the biggest brands in the world. Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a level of genius within.

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<v Speaker 3>Both of us.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to acknowledge, right because you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>both everyone is special, and I know there's that equanimity

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<v Speaker 2>where that means no one is special. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to honor and highlight the gifts we're all given,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in whatever field and discipline, because there is

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<v Speaker 2>something so beautiful about what we've been able to create

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<v Speaker 2>outside of that corporate structure, when given the freedom, to

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<v Speaker 2>the autonomy to you know, and listening to our own

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<v Speaker 2>bodies that said, there's nothing in the system I was.

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<v Speaker 1>A part of that I feel called to keep.

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<v Speaker 4>Going into and you know where your body.

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<v Speaker 2>Was rejecting it right when it's like you're just like no,

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<v Speaker 2>repelling it actually right, like.

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<v Speaker 5>In Japan, they're like, we can't do sorry, we can't

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<v Speaker 5>take you, you know, for service, and it's like that

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<v Speaker 5>was it was like no, no, I just couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I totally, I totally hear you.

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<v Speaker 5>We are so aligned in so many ways and that

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<v Speaker 5>alchemy that you're referencing of taking a really crappy situation

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<v Speaker 5>and not only turning it into something positive for yourself

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<v Speaker 5>but also of service or impact to others. Yes, everyone

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<v Speaker 5>has to make a living, but the knowledge we both

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<v Speaker 5>freely share knowledge, you know, and in frameworks and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think that, yeah, there's some real power in that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love transformations, and I love how that's building our

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<v Speaker 3>We wouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 5>Also now I think my brand is the coolest brand

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>That's part of what you're referencing in terms of like

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<v Speaker 3>Where we're looking to know what impact.

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<v Speaker 5>It's really it becomes a bigger deal, I think too.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the more the more we grow and the

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<v Speaker 4>Experience absolutely, And so I would love to dive into

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<v Speaker 2>So you work with many like mid to senior level

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<v Speaker 2>executives through your strategic executive exit program, which is so important.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, i'd love to dive into your background

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<v Speaker 2>as you're working through your psychology studies and your masters

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for sure. Well, you know again, I think it

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<v Speaker 5>a ninety dight program. It's really meant to consolidate that

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<v Speaker 5>messy middle, I think, and I know you have a

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<v Speaker 5>similar train of thought. Not to put words in your mouth,

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<v Speaker 5>but you need that landing and that launchpad, you know, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And we know that that messy middle can last years

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<v Speaker 5>for people now because there are applying to jobs and

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<v Speaker 5>And it's like, hold the fort. Let's get that right.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not to say if I'm your first stop, i'll

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<v Speaker 5>be your last stop. You'll have tons to go and build.

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<v Speaker 5>But let's figure out like why you're doing it, and

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<v Speaker 5>if this is truly going to be your second chapter,

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<v Speaker 5>and then let's make it worthwhile and let's start from

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<v Speaker 5>a foundational place. So that's what we do again. The

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<v Speaker 5>first half is really the intrinsic piece and the psychology piece.

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<v Speaker 5>It's based on the best of psychology, to be honest

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<v Speaker 5>with you, what we know to be true about motivational psychology.

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<v Speaker 5>There's some interesting career psychology frameworks that we incorporate. For instance,

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<v Speaker 5>But for instance, career construction theory is this idea that

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<v Speaker 5>different jobs that you've had in your career, and you

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<v Speaker 5>break down the micro narratives and themes for instance, why

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<v Speaker 5>for that job, and you just kind of start to

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<v Speaker 5>understand the mini micro narratives. And what that allows you

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<v Speaker 5>to do, in combination with some other intrinsic work, is

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<v Speaker 5>you're then able to understand this larger macro narrative. And

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<v Speaker 5>so I think that that's a really fun piece of it.

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<v Speaker 5>But there's also a lot of other fun things that

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<v Speaker 5>we do in the upfront in terms of the intrinsic piece.

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<v Speaker 5>To wrap that part up, the reason that we start

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<v Speaker 5>is because it's based in decades of research that show

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<v Speaker 5>us that our intrinsic motivators are going to take us

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<v Speaker 5>away way further in terms of well being in success

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<v Speaker 5>than following extrinsic motivators.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's self determination.

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<v Speaker 5>Theory plus with AI, we don't want to sound like

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<v Speaker 5>everyone else. We want to sound more like us than ever,

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<v Speaker 5>and the best way to do that is to start

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<v Speaker 5>with our unique blueprint. So that's the first half, is

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<v Speaker 5>we kind of unpacked. Sorry the garbage man is here, y'all.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really sorry. I hope you can't hear that in

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<v Speaker 5>the background. And then so the first half is we

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<v Speaker 5>basically are unpacking those key deeps in terms of what

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<v Speaker 5>makes you you. And then the second half we're opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>mapping that and we're seeing what gets us closest to

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<v Speaker 5>your purpose, your skills, the market. We're doing some market research.

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<v Speaker 5>We are using AI. AI is not driving our themes.

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<v Speaker 5>We're using it for a market research and to model

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<v Speaker 5>what business model makes sense to us based on our

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<v Speaker 5>values and where we meet the market and our skills.

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<v Speaker 5>What does the future of work look like when we

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<v Speaker 5>don't have to rely on a nine to five employer,

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<v Speaker 5>the world is our oyster and it totally depends are

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<v Speaker 5>we starting a bakery, do we have our lag corn

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<v Speaker 5>On Blue certificate, or are we, you know, offering a

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<v Speaker 5>we test it, and then we learn from that, and

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<v Speaker 5>So that second half is really everything I learned in

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<v Speaker 5>my marketing career, Like you said, those corporate and sort

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<v Speaker 5>of streets like how do we build a brand and

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<v Speaker 5>how do we differentiate it? But we start with you

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<v Speaker 5>because that's your best way into the future of work,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's it, and we wrap that in ninety days.

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<v Speaker 5>Certainly there's a lot of tools and resources and detailed

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<v Speaker 5>goodness within that, but we really make sure the end

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<v Speaker 5>your transition architecture is tight boo, because typically it's not

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<v Speaker 5>that you're not excited about an idea, you're more like,

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<v Speaker 3>That we have exactly? But that's it. Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and I feel like the ninety day transformation it's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard when you are working with clients and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>six months from now, you'll possibly feel better, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one wants that, but that's not feasible, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>It's like ninety days can completely change your life in

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful way, through opportunities, through you know, how you

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<v Speaker 1>All of these factors.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that it feels achievable because time in

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<v Speaker 2>our brain, I feel like, can play tricks on us. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we think about a year from now and then ten

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<v Speaker 2>years from now. You know, like as we think about

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<v Speaker 2>like longevity and different things, we go like, oh, that

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<v Speaker 2>feels so long, and like you think about five years

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<v Speaker 2>ago and you're like, oh wow, that feels like a wind,

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>We start to look at like photos on your phone

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, oh wow, those eight years ago. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, you know, it was much more recent than that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there really is something to this like transformational

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<v Speaker 2>time period in only three months that my mentors used

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I really appreciate that. I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't aware that your mentors also have used that framework.

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<v Speaker 5>But I have seen it to your point successful. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's the power of a framework and the

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<v Speaker 5>power of community and support is wild because the folks

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<v Speaker 5>that you're dealing with, I presume, and I know my

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<v Speaker 5>necessarily do it on their own. It's a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>more like some of it is proprietary and you need

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<v Speaker 5>to us. But also it's the power of following a

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<v Speaker 5>going through that together with that support and of course expertise.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I mean I think what time is your

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<v Speaker 5>most valuable resource? Yeah, if you can not rush, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>consolidate that messy middle that's going to set you I

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<v Speaker 2>Oh definitely, especially when there's that accountability piece too, because

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<v Speaker 2>I know when I'm meeting with someone, like when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>learning and ready to up level, like having someone else

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<v Speaker 2>the commitments I made, I'm like, oh, yes, Like everyone

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<v Speaker 2>needs that. Coaches need that too, you know, we all

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<v Speaker 2>need that person that is kind of helped pushing you

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<v Speaker 2>because you're fully in.

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<v Speaker 1>Your coach is fully in with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just beautiful like when that happens and there's that

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<v Speaker 4>As we think about kind of the most common mindset or.

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<v Speaker 2>from that, you know, the golden handcuffs the high status,

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<v Speaker 2>high burnout careers to design their next chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some common themes that you know you've seen

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<v Speaker 5>For sure, there's definitely an identity slash eagle loss that

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<v Speaker 5>decided the brands that you wanted to work on, so

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<v Speaker 5>Unlocks for me was just yoinking back that value and

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<v Speaker 5>that impact I made. It was okay that I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>have that title anymore, and yes I needed to replace

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<v Speaker 5>my monetary salary. However, all the things I've done, all

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<v Speaker 5>the you know, and yes, efforts I lad with teams,

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<v Speaker 5>of course, but you know that impact was still true

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<v Speaker 5>and that value was still true. And it sounds silly,

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's a big one.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think the other thing is asking for help.

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<v Speaker 5>Oftentimes we are so qualified and understanding. You may be

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<v Speaker 5>familiar with this, but again, just another theory that is

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<v Speaker 5>Schlasberg's transition theory, and it's the four essays, but one

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<v Speaker 5>during times of transition is support. It's very basic, but

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<v Speaker 5>And it doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong. It just

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<v Speaker 5>means you're changing, and you're growing, and you may and

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<v Speaker 5>you're likely going to need to look at things a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit differently, right, And those things sound pretty basic,

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<v Speaker 5>but when you have someone who's been operating under ego pretenses,

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<v Speaker 5>operating on behalf of an employer for decades and having

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<v Speaker 5>that be the transaction and the identity, and you have

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<v Speaker 5>been the one that is study and solving the problems,

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<v Speaker 5>not needing to ask for help, solving your own problems.

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<v Speaker 5>That those become real hurdles. And I think once you

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<v Speaker 5>can at least focus on those two things, things get

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<v Speaker 5>a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 2>It definitely does, especially when you talk about the perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>the people that follow it fall away during this time,

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<v Speaker 2>or the people that you're like, oh, I maybe went

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<v Speaker 2>to you advice previously, Like you were really good at

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<v Speaker 2>helping me as a corporate mentor, but you didn't build

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<v Speaker 2>a business. You didn't build something from the ground up,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you know, like there could be a different

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<v Speaker 2>relationship there. But that relationship we had is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is no longer. There needs to be kind of a transformation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also find it really interesting. I think one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest hurdles I've kind of worked through with

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<v Speaker 2>my clients is their lifestyle creep and they go like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but I actually need all of this, I need all

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<v Speaker 2>of the things I purchased.

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<v Speaker 1>I need kind of what I've attained to this level.

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<v Speaker 1>People need to know that ego piece.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to know how successful I am through my vehicles,

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<v Speaker 2>through this, through that, And this is said out completely

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<v Speaker 2>without judgment, right, that was their truth.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also like and what actually makes you happy?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what like if that all disappeared tomorrow, Like how

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<v Speaker 2>would you feel?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you actually feel lighter?

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<v Speaker 4>Like how can you work through your current reality?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and understanding and maybe ways.

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<v Speaker 2>That you still feel fulfilled and you still feel happy

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<v Speaker 2>and you can express yourself through fashion, But that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's something directly off the runway. Maybe this season,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's other ways and more creative ways.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that the Salvation Army run personally, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>just me. But that actually also came out of lifestyle choices, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>like you're saying we are very similar minded.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we have like a I call it, you can.

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<v Speaker 5>Call it whatever you want, but you know, the five

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<v Speaker 5>key pillers of wellness, you know, And it's just that's

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<v Speaker 5>what we start with and that's what we end with

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<v Speaker 5>because to your point, and it's all related and b.

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<v Speaker 3>It does eb and flow. How full your.

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<v Speaker 5>Cup is you know, is up to you, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>but it is there are choices, right, and so just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of evaluating that. And sometimes we're on an autopilot

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<v Speaker 5>because we've been doing the things. So these career pauses

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<v Speaker 5>can sometimes be bigger life pauses because we're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>it's such a big part of our lives. It kind

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<v Speaker 5>of makes us reevaluate everything. So it makes sense we

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't evaluate it in Asilah.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially when you think about the things maybe you've outsourced

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<v Speaker 2>that you actually do find joy in, like grocery shopping.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there was a time in my life I was

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<v Speaker 2>very busy with my corporate job and with something I

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<v Speaker 2>outsource either to my.

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<v Speaker 4>Husband or to you know, a delivery worker.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really love like talking with cashiers, and I

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<v Speaker 2>love that, like going to the market vibe, not when

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<v Speaker 2>it's busy, right, I pick you know, my either Friday.

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<v Speaker 6>Evenings or times when you know it's Friday even Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 6>there's a calmness to it and I just get to

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<v Speaker 6>meander and that's really beautiful and like have very like

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<v Speaker 6>beautiful conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>With people, And that's something I would feel my world

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<v Speaker 2>would feel very small if that wasn't a part of

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<v Speaker 2>my routine. And so I think it's a beautiful opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>as well. You know, we talked about identity, and we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about kind of rebuilding someone's day essentially.

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<v Speaker 4>Right with what they're filling their day with and what

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<v Speaker 4>they're filling their cup with.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I wanted to hear kind of in the

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<v Speaker 2>Full Cup method, you know, how they build kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the their next stage of life and their transition.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it is all about starting with the five key

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<v Speaker 5>pillars of allness. That's literally how we start.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a self.

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<v Speaker 5>Assessment and it's just giving you the prompts. But to

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<v Speaker 5>your point, it's less about the financial and we get

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<v Speaker 5>to save financial wellness, right, It's less about the number

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<v Speaker 5>in the bank account, and it's more like how do

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<v Speaker 5>you feel about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Do you, for example, have like.

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty great cash flow but from a job it's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>killing you and you're overextended. How is your relationship with

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<v Speaker 5>money in terms of allowing it to fund your choices?

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<v Speaker 6>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's more about those type of prompts.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think what we're saying is is that and

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<v Speaker 5>what I my whole philosophy on the Full Cup method

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<v Speaker 5>is it starts with you right, you get to determine

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<v Speaker 5>what a full cup is to you. You don't have

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<v Speaker 5>to default to a system that tells you how to

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<v Speaker 5>live your life, because the truth is, you and I

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<v Speaker 5>don't just help people design what's next for them in

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<v Speaker 5>their careers. Right, we're helping design next chapters in some way,

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<v Speaker 5>shape or form, And so it starts with that transformative

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<v Speaker 5>place from yourself. You're determining what a full cup looks

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<v Speaker 5>like for you. I'm just providing you the framework. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's the beauty of working with clients within

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<v Speaker 5>a framework is they have that in them. You're just

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<v Speaker 5>giving them the tools and the support. For me, a

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<v Speaker 5>full cup looks like peace, freedom, the ability to build

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<v Speaker 5>and create, and I want to be able to help

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<v Speaker 5>others do that. But I think honestly, it's about enabling

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<v Speaker 5>people to choose themselves and you know, have the freedom

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<v Speaker 5>to explore that, but also.

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<v Speaker 3>Have the tools to be able to live the life.

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<v Speaker 5>You know that they're meant to live and design the

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<v Speaker 5>career that's meant for them. So yeah, it's all about

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<v Speaker 5>following your unique path and determining what a full cup

543
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<v Speaker 5>looks like for you, and to remove that need to

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<v Speaker 5>default to this sort of what I believe it was

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<v Speaker 5>a bit of a broken system, but you get to

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<v Speaker 5>decide that's what I like about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so beautiful, especially because what is not to put

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<v Speaker 2>words in your mouth, but I would assume that what

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<v Speaker 2>is a full cup now doesn't mean that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the same in five or ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That continues to evolve with you, just like your dream

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<v Speaker 2>life continues to evolve with you.

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<v Speaker 5>Abs and it flows and one cup by people and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really you know, pressed for social time, but I'm

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<v Speaker 5>really invested over here or no, I need to make

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<v Speaker 5>time for my family and I'm taking a dip here.

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<v Speaker 5>And it doesn't mean life is perfect or every cup

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<v Speaker 5>is always fully full, but you're just sort of aware

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<v Speaker 5>of the balance and the integration piece and that you're

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<v Speaker 5>sort of anchored and those a lying values you know,

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<v Speaker 5>or across and.

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<v Speaker 3>So just bringing awareness to that.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we do so much work on behalf of others,

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<v Speaker 5>our whole lives, and oftentimes especially gives so much of

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<v Speaker 5>ourselves over to other entities. So oftentimes, as you know,

567
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<v Speaker 5>when we're doing this work with folks, it's it's some

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<v Speaker 5>of the first times they've had to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>kind of, like we said, have that landing space to

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<v Speaker 5>spread it all out kind of beautiful minded, but then

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<v Speaker 5>also refine and define and then kind of launch off

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<v Speaker 5>back into the world. But you do, you know, you

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<v Speaker 5>kind of need that framework in that space. So I'm

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<v Speaker 5>so grateful, you know, to have a like minded colleague

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<v Speaker 5>like you who totally gets where I'm coming from, because

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I wish I had this, you know, So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm grateful you exist, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Grateful, same same. Absolutely. Where can the audience find you?

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<v Speaker 4>Is there any thing upcoming you'd like to share?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you so much. Two things.

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<v Speaker 5>You can find us at the full cupco dot com

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<v Speaker 5>and you can follow me on LinkedIn, Jocelyne. Those are

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<v Speaker 5>the two places right now. And then yes, So in

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<v Speaker 5>addition to the ninety day program, we're also going to

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<v Speaker 5>have a ninety minute Career Design Clarity sprint, So that's

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<v Speaker 5>much more accessible for folks if they're not willing eble

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<v Speaker 5>et cetera to commit to a ninety day program, and

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<v Speaker 5>that way you get a jumpstart on what the future

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<v Speaker 5>of work would look like, a customized planned for you

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<v Speaker 5>and a whole dedicated ninety minute session. So I'll be

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<v Speaker 5>sure to aw set on our channels when it's ready

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<v Speaker 5>to go. But thank you so much, so awesome to

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<v Speaker 5>be with you all, same, same.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you all for watching Musings and Modalities.

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<v Speaker 2>tuning into this week's episode of Musings and Modalities. The

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