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Speaker 2: Like to introduce Jess Lane, founder of the Full Cup Company.
Speaker 2: Jess is an award winning marketing and business executive with
Speaker 2: twenty plus years of experience building and scaling world class
Speaker 2: brands across Fortune five hundred, high growth, technology, lifestyle and
Speaker 2: financial services.
Speaker 1: She also has a recent.
Speaker 2: Master's level education in psychology that she is finishing up
Speaker 2: the first half of her career spans iconic global brands
Speaker 2: like Porsche, Visa, nicelob Ultra, Ole, so many others, as
Speaker 2: well as high growth tech companies where she's led teams
Speaker 2: to IPO and Unicorn status. So impressive, so incredible. Jess
Speaker 2: knows what it takes to build at the highest level,
Speaker 2: and she knows what it costs when it's taken away.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jess.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to continue our conversation that you and
Speaker 2: I had when we first met me too.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. What an intro.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, what an incredible kind of really career.
Speaker 2: But that always feels so limiting when you say that,
Speaker 2: because we're going to talk about career pivots we both have,
Speaker 2: you know, and now that we really coach others through
Speaker 2: that same transition that we had to figure out for
Speaker 2: ourselves and really understand the high highs and the low
Speaker 2: lows of working in you know, fast paced like no
Speaker 2: holes barred, big decisions, no one's done this before environments.
Speaker 2: So I'd love to just kind of talk about your
Speaker 2: background more and what led to the pivot that you had.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. I think sometimes looking back things make
Speaker 5: more sense, of course than when we're in them. But
Speaker 5: the cliffs notes for me were, you know, my first
Speaker 5: one years were really spent in as you mentioned, sort
Speaker 5: of these you know, Fortune five hundred brands, and I
Speaker 5: started big and then I slowly went smaller. So I've
Speaker 5: worked on big brands like Practer and Gamble, Portia, Visa,
Speaker 5: and then I went to brands I group on and
Speaker 5: then the real real and you know, I think the
Speaker 5: biggest learning here is that, you know, you start to
Speaker 5: understand best in class principles in terms of how to
Speaker 5: build a brand, uh, and how to really build a
Speaker 5: long standing brand that stand for something in a distinctive,
Speaker 5: differentiated brand, because anyone can really sell cars and toilet paper.
Speaker 5: Those are commodities if you really think about it. But yeah,
Speaker 5: look at how many options we have and how many
Speaker 5: different brands of those we have, right, so you can
Speaker 5: really start to learn how to create commercial value is
Speaker 5: the point. And the smaller that I went in my
Speaker 5: career in terms of the organizations, the more hands on
Speaker 5: I was, and I was able to actually build those
Speaker 5: things from scratch at the end. So the last company
Speaker 5: I actually worked for.
Speaker 3: My last nine to five was a real high high
Speaker 3: and a real low low.
Speaker 5: Like you said, because we've all experienced these things sort
Speaker 5: of out of our control, and then you know, we
Speaker 5: give our all and so this was a great example
Speaker 5: of something where you know, we reached a billion dollar
Speaker 5: unicorn status as a company, so the smallest company I'd
Speaker 5: ever worked for, the most hands on, I'd let a
Speaker 5: brand launch that had helped contribute to this valuation, so
Speaker 5: really high high. And then yeah, Christmas right before Christmas
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty too was kind of that climax for
Speaker 5: me where I was let go and a mass reduction
Speaker 5: with one hundred and fifty other people. So that's kind
Speaker 5: of the CliffsNotes on the first half. And then that
Speaker 5: led me to where I am today. But I'll pause
Speaker 5: there because I could continue and talk about sort of
Speaker 5: what led me here. But we've all been, I think,
Speaker 5: in a position of transition, and I think that that
Speaker 5: just deserves some acknowledgement.
Speaker 2: It does, Yeah, because I really wanted to highlight kind
Speaker 2: of the exact moment you were done, because I've seen
Speaker 2: this through past coworkers all over LinkedIn where people are choosing,
Speaker 2: like after there's reduction workforce after being let go, and
Speaker 2: they go, actually, I don't.
Speaker 1: Want to work in tech anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a part of this system,
Speaker 2: you know what have you or they're not able to
Speaker 2: as well where they're doing a lot of applications and
Speaker 2: it feels there's clearly a misalignment, right and maybe.
Speaker 1: Their highest purpose yea.
Speaker 2: So here we dive in a little bit more into
Speaker 2: the exact moment you're like, oh no, I'm really done, Like.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, okay, because this is actually I think so
Speaker 5: wise of you, because I think it was when I
Speaker 5: started to share these details that I started to see
Speaker 5: community forming around Oh me too, you know, in terms
Speaker 5: of relating in some way. So for me, this soulful
Speaker 5: sort of alignment pivot, but also strategic, I got to
Speaker 5: tell you, because of the market was I applied to
Speaker 5: four hundred and ninety six jobs. So I did what
Speaker 5: we were told to do, which is turn around, be gritty,
Speaker 5: get in there, and we just covered my professional history.
Speaker 5: So it wasn't the best in the world, but I
Speaker 5: was no sloud and even with brands like that on
Speaker 5: the resume, even with experienced impact like that on the resume,
Speaker 5: it was a no go for me, and I started
Speaker 5: to also feel in my body during that time it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: application three hundred. I also have to get real honest
Speaker 5: with myself about do I even want this? And I
Speaker 5: have to tell you every cell in my body was
Speaker 5: saying now I don't. And it's hard because I think
Speaker 5: that a lot of people still to this day will
Speaker 5: be like, we'll just go like, keep on it, keep
Speaker 5: doing it, keep at it. So a lot of my
Speaker 5: friends were like, well, here's this job, and here's this job.
Speaker 5: And at some points I found myself getting a little
Speaker 5: frustrated and being like, I'm not I don't think I'm
Speaker 5: doing that, you know.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know what was next.
Speaker 5: So what led what followed was first I had this,
Speaker 5: you know, I need to pull up the photo. It
Speaker 5: was a wall full of fluorescent post it so it
Speaker 5: looked like a beautiful mind. And I was mapping, literally
Speaker 5: physically mapping what could be possible for me. And then
Speaker 5: I thought, hold on a second, hold on a second.
Speaker 5: If I am sitting here this kerfuffled in this messy
Speaker 5: of a middle, there's got to be a better way.
Speaker 5: And I've built solutions to things my whole life, and
Speaker 5: you know, looked at data and trends, and when I
Speaker 5: looked up and I saw the market too, So there
Speaker 5: was this twofold moment for me. In summary, it was
Speaker 5: this resell on my body. I was forty two, so
Speaker 5: I was sort of looking at what is next just
Speaker 5: from a human development standpoint Eric Erickson, you know, and
Speaker 5: I was also looking at the market for what it
Speaker 5: was telling me, which was the jobs for my specific level,
Speaker 5: my specific talent set just weren't.
Speaker 3: What they used to be.
Speaker 5: But I also knew that more was possible than ever
Speaker 5: before because I was also paying attention. And again I'd
Speaker 5: been looking at data and trends for years. So I
Speaker 5: went back to school to get my master's in psychology,
Speaker 5: which i'm finishing this term, last term, thank you. And
Speaker 5: not everyone has to do that. You don't have to
Speaker 5: upscale in that way.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 5: It was a purpose driven effort for me to be
Speaker 5: able to have the foundation to go and then create
Speaker 5: something of my own. And I wanted to make sure
Speaker 5: that again just me specifically had that skill set.
Speaker 3: And then I created the full.
Speaker 5: Cup call and I really designed a method that was
Speaker 5: the best of me. It's simple it's just based on
Speaker 5: sort of my psychology education and the best of my
Speaker 5: marketing and I thought, let's solve the problem that I had,
Speaker 5: which was what do I do next?
Speaker 3: And that's it.
Speaker 2: We are so similar and that's why I've loved every
Speaker 2: conversation I've had with you, because exact same story of
Speaker 2: like I was, like, I've done this. I've done this
Speaker 2: with some of the biggest brands in the world. Like
Speaker 2: there's a level of genius within.
Speaker 3: Both of us.
Speaker 2: I want to acknowledge, right because you know, I think
Speaker 2: both everyone is special, and I know there's that equanimity
Speaker 2: where that means no one is special. But I do
Speaker 2: want to honor and highlight the gifts we're all given,
Speaker 2: you know, in whatever field and discipline, because there is
Speaker 2: something so beautiful about what we've been able to create
Speaker 2: outside of that corporate structure, when given the freedom, to
Speaker 2: the autonomy to you know, and listening to our own
Speaker 2: bodies that said, there's nothing in the system I was.
Speaker 1: A part of that I feel called to keep.
Speaker 4: Going into and you know where your body.
Speaker 2: Was rejecting it right when it's like you're just like no,
Speaker 2: repelling it actually right, like.
Speaker 5: In Japan, they're like, we can't do sorry, we can't
Speaker 5: take you, you know, for service, and it's like that
Speaker 5: was it was like no, no, I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: No, I totally, I totally hear you.
Speaker 5: We are so aligned in so many ways and that
Speaker 5: alchemy that you're referencing of taking a really crappy situation
Speaker 5: and not only turning it into something positive for yourself
Speaker 5: but also of service or impact to others. Yes, everyone
Speaker 5: has to make a living, but the knowledge we both
Speaker 5: freely share knowledge, you know, and in frameworks and whatnot,
Speaker 5: and I think that, yeah, there's some real power in that.
Speaker 5: So I love that you paused on that there is
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: I love transformations, and I love how that's building our
Speaker 2: legacies right and really what we're achieving in this lifetime
Speaker 2: and how we feel good about it and a little
Speaker 2: blessing to people like yeah, there's a I don't want
Speaker 2: to say, I'll say a footnote in your story where
Speaker 2: you took you know, one company to unicorn status. Well
Speaker 2: we'll say it's a footnote because I know there's so
Speaker 2: much more for you Like that will feel like just
Speaker 2: to be oh, yeah I did do that, But you
Speaker 2: know what else about like I've built so much more
Speaker 2: above really different ways.
Speaker 5: You know, I always say, like I've worked on really
Speaker 5: cool brands. There's no disputing the brands that I've worked
Speaker 5: on are cool.
Speaker 3: We wouldn't do that.
Speaker 5: Also now I think my brand is the coolest brand
Speaker 5: I've ever worked on.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 5: That's part of what you're referencing in terms of like
Speaker 5: we were saying, kind of like for me specifically, I'm forty.
Speaker 5: So when you hit like forty, you know, generativity versus
Speaker 5: stagnation and kind of that stage.
Speaker 3: Where we're looking to know what impact.
Speaker 5: You know, we're going to create, And you talk a
Speaker 5: lot about legacy, and I think that that can look
Speaker 5: so different for so many folks bought or and it is.
Speaker 5: It's really it becomes a bigger deal, I think too.
Speaker 5: You know, the more the more we grow and the
Speaker 5: more we.
Speaker 4: Experience absolutely, And so I would love to dive into
Speaker 4: your work more.
Speaker 2: So you work with many like mid to senior level
Speaker 2: executives through your strategic executive exit program, which is so important.
Speaker 2: So you know, i'd love to dive into your background
Speaker 2: as you're working through your psychology studies and your masters
Speaker 2: and your business strategy that you've you know, these beautiful
Speaker 2: street smarts as well as corporate smarts that you have
Speaker 2: to really navigate the transition of your clients.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. Well, you know again, I think it
Speaker 5: all starts with my framework and my approach. So I think,
Speaker 5: you know, we'll talk a little bit about kind of
Speaker 5: my method, but the actual strategic executive exit program is
Speaker 5: a ninety dight program. It's really meant to consolidate that
Speaker 5: messy middle, I think, and I know you have a
Speaker 5: similar train of thought. Not to put words in your mouth,
Speaker 5: but you need that landing and that launchpad, you know, right,
Speaker 5: And we know that that messy middle can last years
Speaker 5: for people now because there are applying to jobs and
Speaker 5: waiting to hear back, not sure where to go next.
Speaker 5: And it's like, hold the fort. Let's get that right.
Speaker 5: It's not to say if I'm your first stop, i'll
Speaker 5: be your last stop. You'll have tons to go and build.
Speaker 5: But let's figure out like why you're doing it, and
Speaker 5: if this is truly going to be your second chapter,
Speaker 5: and then let's make it worthwhile and let's start from
Speaker 5: a foundational place. So that's what we do again. The
Speaker 5: first half is really the intrinsic piece and the psychology piece.
Speaker 5: It's based on the best of psychology, to be honest
Speaker 5: with you, what we know to be true about motivational psychology.
Speaker 5: There's some interesting career psychology frameworks that we incorporate. For instance,
Speaker 5: I'll give you a little bit of a sink peak
Speaker 5: and I won't bore everyone.
Speaker 3: We only have a half hour, and I could go
Speaker 3: on for days.
Speaker 5: But for instance, career construction theory is this idea that
Speaker 5: you take all of your different micro experiences, all the
Speaker 5: different jobs that you've had in your career, and you
Speaker 5: break down the micro narratives and themes for instance, why
Speaker 5: did I even take that job, or what drew me
Speaker 5: to that job, why did I leave the other job
Speaker 5: for that job, and you just kind of start to
Speaker 5: understand the mini micro narratives. And what that allows you
Speaker 5: to do, in combination with some other intrinsic work, is
Speaker 5: you're then able to understand this larger macro narrative. And
Speaker 5: so I think that that's a really fun piece of it.
Speaker 5: But there's also a lot of other fun things that
Speaker 5: we do in the upfront in terms of the intrinsic piece.
Speaker 5: To wrap that part up, the reason that we start
Speaker 5: there in the first half with the intrinsic psychology piece
Speaker 5: is because it's based in decades of research that show
Speaker 5: us that our intrinsic motivators are going to take us
Speaker 5: away way further in terms of well being in success
Speaker 5: than following extrinsic motivators.
Speaker 3: So that's self determination.
Speaker 5: Theory plus with AI, we don't want to sound like
Speaker 5: everyone else. We want to sound more like us than ever,
Speaker 5: and the best way to do that is to start
Speaker 5: with our unique blueprint. So that's the first half, is
Speaker 5: we kind of unpacked. Sorry the garbage man is here, y'all.
Speaker 5: I'm really sorry. I hope you can't hear that in
Speaker 5: the background. And then so the first half is we
Speaker 5: basically are unpacking those key deeps in terms of what
Speaker 5: makes you you. And then the second half we're opportunity
Speaker 5: mapping that and we're seeing what gets us closest to
Speaker 5: your purpose, your skills, the market. We're doing some market research.
Speaker 5: We are using AI. AI is not driving our themes.
Speaker 5: We're using it for a market research and to model
Speaker 5: what business model makes sense to us based on our
Speaker 5: values and where we meet the market and our skills.
Speaker 5: What does the future of work look like when we
Speaker 5: don't have to rely on a nine to five employer,
Speaker 5: the world is our oyster and it totally depends are
Speaker 5: we starting a bakery, do we have our lag corn
Speaker 5: On Blue certificate, or are we, you know, offering a
Speaker 5: digital product or digital service. And then we prototype it,
Speaker 5: we test it, and then we learn from that, and
Speaker 5: we wrap up with the goals and the activation plan.
Speaker 5: So that second half is really everything I learned in
Speaker 5: my marketing career, Like you said, those corporate and sort
Speaker 5: of streets like how do we build a brand and
Speaker 5: how do we differentiate it? But we start with you
Speaker 5: because that's your best way into the future of work,
Speaker 5: and that's it, and we wrap that in ninety days.
Speaker 5: Certainly there's a lot of tools and resources and detailed
Speaker 5: goodness within that, but we really make sure the end
Speaker 5: your transition architecture is tight boo, because typically it's not
Speaker 5: that you're not excited about an idea, you're more like,
Speaker 5: how do I go do it exactly?
Speaker 3: That we have exactly? But that's it. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: No, and I feel like the ninety day transformation it's
Speaker 2: really hard when you are working with clients and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: six months from now, you'll possibly feel better, and it's like,
Speaker 2: no one wants that, but that's not feasible, that's not
Speaker 2: It's like ninety days can completely change your life in
Speaker 2: a beautiful way, through opportunities, through you know, how you
Speaker 2: feel in your body, through.
Speaker 1: All of these factors.
Speaker 2: And I love that it feels achievable because time in
Speaker 2: our brain, I feel like, can play tricks on us. Right,
Speaker 2: we think about a year from now and then ten
Speaker 2: years from now. You know, like as we think about
Speaker 2: like longevity and different things, we go like, oh, that
Speaker 2: feels so long, and like you think about five years
Speaker 2: ago and you're like, oh wow, that feels like a wind,
Speaker 2: a blink of an eye.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We start to look at like photos on your phone
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh wow, those eight years ago. I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, it was much more recent than that.
Speaker 2: And so there really is something to this like transformational
Speaker 2: time period in only three months that my mentors used
Speaker 2: with me. You know, we're both using that. I think
Speaker 2: it's really just exceptional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I really appreciate that. I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I wasn't aware that your mentors also have used that framework.
Speaker 5: But I have seen it to your point successful. And
Speaker 5: I think it's the power of a framework and the
Speaker 5: power of community and support is wild because the folks
Speaker 5: that you're dealing with, I presume, and I know my
Speaker 5: clients as well, are super smart. So it's not that
Speaker 5: they don't understand the method or the methodology or couldn't
Speaker 5: necessarily do it on their own. It's a little bit
Speaker 5: more like some of it is proprietary and you need
Speaker 5: to us. But also it's the power of following a
Speaker 5: framework within a time frame, committing to yourself, deciding and
Speaker 5: going through that together with that support and of course expertise.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I think what time is your
Speaker 5: most valuable resource? Yeah, if you can not rush, but yeah,
Speaker 5: consolidate that messy middle that's going to set you I
Speaker 5: think up ahead for success for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, especially when there's that accountability piece too, because
Speaker 2: I know when I'm meeting with someone, like when I'm
Speaker 2: learning and ready to up level, like having someone else
Speaker 2: hold me accountable in different ways to myself and like
Speaker 2: the commitments I made, I'm like, oh, yes, Like everyone
Speaker 2: needs that. Coaches need that too, you know, we all
Speaker 2: need that person that is kind of helped pushing you
Speaker 2: because you're fully in.
Speaker 1: Your coach is fully in with you.
Speaker 2: It's just beautiful like when that happens and there's that
Speaker 2: beautiful alignment.
Speaker 3: I totally agree.
Speaker 4: As we think about kind of the most common mindset or.
Speaker 2: Like mindset block or fear you see that these executives
Speaker 2: are facing when they decide to kind of step away
Speaker 2: from that, you know, the golden handcuffs the high status,
Speaker 2: high burnout careers to design their next chapter.
Speaker 1: What are some common themes that you know you've seen
Speaker 1: time and again.
Speaker 5: For sure, there's definitely an identity slash eagle loss that
Speaker 5: comes with thinking about especially if you have worked like
Speaker 5: I did for twenty years for others and on purpose
Speaker 5: decided the brands that you wanted to work on, so
Speaker 5: you know, it felt like that was pulled out. So
Speaker 5: probably one of the biggest things is just rebuilding that
Speaker 5: identity and also understanding that you don't have to start
Speaker 5: from scratch, right.
Speaker 3: You know, one of the biggest.
Speaker 5: Unlocks for me was just yoinking back that value and
Speaker 5: that impact I made. It was okay that I didn't
Speaker 5: have that title anymore, and yes I needed to replace
Speaker 5: my monetary salary. However, all the things I've done, all
Speaker 5: the you know, and yes, efforts I lad with teams,
Speaker 5: of course, but you know that impact was still true
Speaker 5: and that value was still true. And it sounds silly,
Speaker 5: but we can often feel such a loss.
Speaker 3: So I think that's a big one.
Speaker 5: And I think the other thing is asking for help.
Speaker 5: Oftentimes we are so qualified and understanding. You may be
Speaker 5: familiar with this, but again, just another theory that is
Speaker 5: very basic, and it's sort of a concept, which is
Speaker 5: Schlasberg's transition theory, and it's the four essays, but one
Speaker 5: of the four essays in terms of what people need
Speaker 5: during times of transition is support. It's very basic, but
Speaker 5: it's also just very key, and I think it's hard
Speaker 5: for us sometimes to realize that the folks that we
Speaker 5: relied on for support before might not be the folks
Speaker 5: that we necessarily are going to help us get to
Speaker 5: where we need to go, where we want to go.
Speaker 5: And it doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong. It just
Speaker 5: means you're changing, and you're growing, and you may and
Speaker 5: you're likely going to need to look at things a
Speaker 5: little bit differently, right, And those things sound pretty basic,
Speaker 5: but when you have someone who's been operating under ego pretenses,
Speaker 5: operating on behalf of an employer for decades and having
Speaker 5: that be the transaction and the identity, and you have
Speaker 5: been the one that is study and solving the problems,
Speaker 5: not needing to ask for help, solving your own problems.
Speaker 5: That those become real hurdles. And I think once you
Speaker 5: can at least focus on those two things, things get
Speaker 5: a lot easier.
Speaker 2: It definitely does, especially when you talk about the perhaps
Speaker 2: the people that follow it fall away during this time,
Speaker 2: or the people that you're like, oh, I maybe went
Speaker 2: to you advice previously, Like you were really good at
Speaker 2: helping me as a corporate mentor, but you didn't build
Speaker 2: a business. You didn't build something from the ground up,
Speaker 2: and so you know, like there could be a different
Speaker 2: relationship there. But that relationship we had is, you know,
Speaker 2: is no longer. There needs to be kind of a transformation.
Speaker 2: And I also find it really interesting. I think one
Speaker 2: of the biggest hurdles I've kind of worked through with
Speaker 2: my clients is their lifestyle creep and they go like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I actually need all of this, I need all
Speaker 2: of the things I purchased.
Speaker 1: I need kind of what I've attained to this level.
Speaker 1: People need to know that ego piece.
Speaker 2: They need to know how successful I am through my vehicles,
Speaker 2: through this, through that, And this is said out completely
Speaker 2: without judgment, right, that was their truth.
Speaker 1: And it's also like and what actually makes you happy?
Speaker 2: Like what like if that all disappeared tomorrow, Like how
Speaker 2: would you feel?
Speaker 1: Would you actually feel lighter?
Speaker 4: Like how can you work through your current reality?
Speaker 1: You know, and understanding and maybe ways.
Speaker 2: That you still feel fulfilled and you still feel happy
Speaker 2: and you can express yourself through fashion, But that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it's something directly off the runway. Maybe this season,
Speaker 2: you know, there's other ways and more creative ways.
Speaker 5: I think that the Salvation Army run personally, but that's
Speaker 5: just me. But that actually also came out of lifestyle choices, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: like you're saying we are very similar minded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have like a I call it, you can.
Speaker 5: Call it whatever you want, but you know, the five
Speaker 5: key pillers of wellness, you know, And it's just that's
Speaker 5: what we start with and that's what we end with
Speaker 5: because to your point, and it's all related and b.
Speaker 3: It does eb and flow. How full your.
Speaker 5: Cup is you know, is up to you, you know,
Speaker 5: but it is there are choices, right, and so just
Speaker 5: kind of evaluating that. And sometimes we're on an autopilot
Speaker 5: because we've been doing the things. So these career pauses
Speaker 5: can sometimes be bigger life pauses because we're like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's such a big part of our lives. It kind
Speaker 5: of makes us reevaluate everything. So it makes sense we
Speaker 5: wouldn't evaluate it in Asilah.
Speaker 2: Especially when you think about the things maybe you've outsourced
Speaker 2: that you actually do find joy in, like grocery shopping.
Speaker 2: Like there was a time in my life I was
Speaker 2: very busy with my corporate job and with something I
Speaker 2: outsource either to my.
Speaker 4: Husband or to you know, a delivery worker.
Speaker 2: And I really love like talking with cashiers, and I
Speaker 2: love that, like going to the market vibe, not when
Speaker 2: it's busy, right, I pick you know, my either Friday.
Speaker 6: Evenings or times when you know it's Friday even Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: there's a calmness to it and I just get to
Speaker 6: meander and that's really beautiful and like have very like
Speaker 6: beautiful conversations.
Speaker 2: With people, And that's something I would feel my world
Speaker 2: would feel very small if that wasn't a part of
Speaker 2: my routine. And so I think it's a beautiful opportunity
Speaker 2: as well. You know, we talked about identity, and we
Speaker 2: talked about kind of rebuilding someone's day essentially.
Speaker 4: Right with what they're filling their day with and what
Speaker 4: they're filling their cup with.
Speaker 2: And so I wanted to hear kind of in the
Speaker 2: Full Cup method, you know, how they build kind of
Speaker 2: the their next stage of life and their transition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, it is all about starting with the five key
Speaker 5: pillars of allness. That's literally how we start.
Speaker 3: And it's a self.
Speaker 5: Assessment and it's just giving you the prompts. But to
Speaker 5: your point, it's less about the financial and we get
Speaker 5: to save financial wellness, right, It's less about the number
Speaker 5: in the bank account, and it's more like how do
Speaker 5: you feel about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you, for example, have like.
Speaker 5: Pretty great cash flow but from a job it's you know,
Speaker 5: killing you and you're overextended. How is your relationship with
Speaker 5: money in terms of allowing it to fund your choices?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: And so it's more about those type of prompts.
Speaker 5: And I think what we're saying is is that and
Speaker 5: what I my whole philosophy on the Full Cup method
Speaker 5: is it starts with you right, you get to determine
Speaker 5: what a full cup is to you. You don't have
Speaker 5: to default to a system that tells you how to
Speaker 5: live your life, because the truth is, you and I
Speaker 5: don't just help people design what's next for them in
Speaker 5: their careers. Right, we're helping design next chapters in some way,
Speaker 5: shape or form, And so it starts with that transformative
Speaker 5: place from yourself. You're determining what a full cup looks
Speaker 5: like for you. I'm just providing you the framework. And
Speaker 5: I think that's the beauty of working with clients within
Speaker 5: a framework is they have that in them. You're just
Speaker 5: giving them the tools and the support. For me, a
Speaker 5: full cup looks like peace, freedom, the ability to build
Speaker 5: and create, and I want to be able to help
Speaker 5: others do that. But I think honestly, it's about enabling
Speaker 5: people to choose themselves and you know, have the freedom
Speaker 5: to explore that, but also.
Speaker 3: Have the tools to be able to live the life.
Speaker 5: You know that they're meant to live and design the
Speaker 5: career that's meant for them. So yeah, it's all about
Speaker 5: following your unique path and determining what a full cup
Speaker 5: looks like for you, and to remove that need to
Speaker 5: default to this sort of what I believe it was
Speaker 5: a bit of a broken system, but you get to
Speaker 5: decide that's what I like about it.
Speaker 2: That's so beautiful, especially because what is not to put
Speaker 2: words in your mouth, but I would assume that what
Speaker 2: is a full cup now doesn't mean that's going to
Speaker 2: be the same in five or ten years.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: That continues to evolve with you, just like your dream
Speaker 2: life continues to evolve with you.
Speaker 5: Abs and it flows and one cup by people and
Speaker 5: I'm really you know, pressed for social time, but I'm
Speaker 5: really invested over here or no, I need to make
Speaker 5: time for my family and I'm taking a dip here.
Speaker 5: And it doesn't mean life is perfect or every cup
Speaker 5: is always fully full, but you're just sort of aware
Speaker 5: of the balance and the integration piece and that you're
Speaker 5: sort of anchored and those a lying values you know,
Speaker 5: or across and.
Speaker 3: So just bringing awareness to that.
Speaker 5: You know, we do so much work on behalf of others,
Speaker 5: our whole lives, and oftentimes especially gives so much of
Speaker 5: ourselves over to other entities. So oftentimes, as you know,
Speaker 5: when we're doing this work with folks, it's it's some
Speaker 5: of the first times they've had to be able to
Speaker 5: kind of, like we said, have that landing space to
Speaker 5: spread it all out kind of beautiful minded, but then
Speaker 5: also refine and define and then kind of launch off
Speaker 5: back into the world. But you do, you know, you
Speaker 5: kind of need that framework in that space. So I'm
Speaker 5: so grateful, you know, to have a like minded colleague
Speaker 5: like you who totally gets where I'm coming from, because
Speaker 5: I'm like, I wish I had this, you know, So
Speaker 5: I'm grateful you exist, so.
Speaker 1: Grateful, same same. Absolutely. Where can the audience find you?
Speaker 4: Is there any thing upcoming you'd like to share?
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much. Two things.
Speaker 5: You can find us at the full cupco dot com
Speaker 5: and you can follow me on LinkedIn, Jocelyne. Those are
Speaker 5: the two places right now. And then yes, So in
Speaker 5: addition to the ninety day program, we're also going to
Speaker 5: have a ninety minute Career Design Clarity sprint, So that's
Speaker 5: much more accessible for folks if they're not willing eble
Speaker 5: et cetera to commit to a ninety day program, and
Speaker 5: that way you get a jumpstart on what the future
Speaker 5: of work would look like, a customized planned for you
Speaker 5: and a whole dedicated ninety minute session. So I'll be
Speaker 5: sure to aw set on our channels when it's ready
Speaker 5: to go. But thank you so much, so awesome to
Speaker 5: be with you all, same, same.
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