Speaker 1: Voices drift on winds untamed, where it's like spells that
Speaker 1: can't be made.
Speaker 2: Close your eyes and feel the sound journey where no
Speaker 2: bounds are found.
Speaker 3: Open doors inside your mind, the ordinary farm behind color,
Speaker 3: swirl and stars line in.
Speaker 4: The mental mysteries, you'll find Welcome to Mada Mysteries, where
Speaker 4: you don't know what you don't know. My name's Jonathan,
Speaker 4: I'm Sean, and today is not wonder when day, but
Speaker 4: it's just gonna have to be met a Monday. We're
Speaker 4: doing it a little early this time, and we have
Speaker 4: an amazing guest tonight that we are really looking forward
Speaker 4: to having another conversation with. She'll be here shortly, but
Speaker 4: the last time she was on she blew some minds.
Speaker 5: That's just what she does.
Speaker 6: Yes, dude, I could not wait for tonight because I
Speaker 6: have a feeling something similar is going to happen tonight.
Speaker 6: So I've really been looking forward to this one. And
Speaker 6: we got Nick with us today, so I didn't want
Speaker 6: him to miss out on this one because I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, I just have a feeling something cool is gonna happen.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, Hi, Nick.
Speaker 4: There she is the dojo sense I love the name dude.
Speaker 7: Oh wait, am I still in this? Oh it's fine,
Speaker 7: you know what, It's fine. I'm using my work email.
Speaker 7: I'm a I guess I'm not in my personal zoom,
Speaker 7: but I guess it's all right.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I like the money tree.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I actually do have a real money
Speaker 7: tree downstairs in my house, but that's just a fake one. Yeah.
Speaker 7: This is I'm a voiceover coach at the Vo Dojo
Speaker 7: in Los Angeles, and this is our zoom this is
Speaker 7: our zoom room.
Speaker 4: So welcome, and I actually thank you for welcoming me.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that, you know, welcome to the Welcome to
Speaker 7: the jojo zoom room.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So for anybody that wasn't able to catch the
Speaker 4: last one, which we got a lot of positivity coming
Speaker 4: from that one, a lot of people were just absolutely
Speaker 4: mind blown. Anytime we get somebody who is just extra
Speaker 4: connected and can prove it is so fascinating. But for
Speaker 4: anybody that is unaware of you, would you mind giving
Speaker 4: them the rundown?
Speaker 7: I would be happy to. I love what you're wearing, John,
Speaker 7: thank you. I love your glasses and I love your shirt,
Speaker 7: and it's all working for you. It is a whole vibe.
Speaker 7: I am Shannon, and pardon the glare in my glass.
Speaker 7: I just cannot see. I need to. I haven't eye exams.
Speaker 7: I can't see without them. So I am a person.
Speaker 7: I am a soul living in a human body. I
Speaker 7: am a voice actor and a voiceover coach, and I
Speaker 7: am a psychic medium. And I host the podcast called
Speaker 7: Magic is Real, which is the podcast where we explore
Speaker 7: near death experiences, other spiritually transformative experiences, and all things
Speaker 7: metaphysical and spiritual. And also we've been talking a lot
Speaker 7: about like spiritual healing, different modalities and different healers and
Speaker 7: things like that. So, like you, I just have a
Speaker 7: curiosity about all of the things quantum physics. I love
Speaker 7: your podcast because you guys can talk about it with
Speaker 7: like authority, Whereas I'm really into quantum physics. But I
Speaker 7: my brain just flips inside out when I try to
Speaker 7: read about it, even though I just try to absorb.
Speaker 7: But I find it. I think about it every day,
Speaker 7: I listen to videos about it every day. I just
Speaker 7: don't think I could actually explain it back to you
Speaker 7: if you asked.
Speaker 4: I mean, hey, we're still learning all this stuff too,
Speaker 4: and we try and you know, break it down into
Speaker 4: little bite sized pieces so that we can understand it
Speaker 4: in order to be able to describe it. Probably the
Speaker 4: coolest one is the double slit experiment, but everybody knows
Speaker 4: about that. Yeah, but yeah, I think that all quantum
Speaker 4: physics is showing that none of this is real. That's
Speaker 4: that's really what That's the whole purpose of it is
Speaker 4: to say you thought wrong. That's about it.
Speaker 5: That's gonna say, at the very least, it's not what
Speaker 5: you thought it was.
Speaker 7: Yes, And that's why I tattooed on my arm. Life
Speaker 7: is but a dream.
Speaker 5: Love it.
Speaker 4: I always say that. I always anytime somebody's like, well
Speaker 4: you think the earth is flatter, you think it's wround,
Speaker 4: I'm saying, it's a dream, bitch.
Speaker 7: That's all it is. That we're in the dream together.
Speaker 7: That makes me so happy.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's a nightmare, but most of the time it's
Speaker 4: a dream.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, it can really also be a nightmare. Meant,
Speaker 7: much of the time I try to just kind of
Speaker 7: stay in the dream as much as I can, because
Speaker 7: there's just so much dark energy out there that it's
Speaker 7: like we just can't fix it all, and to try
Speaker 7: to is just fruitless. And the as much as I
Speaker 7: know people sometimes think like, oh, prayer, great, thanks, pray
Speaker 7: for the people, you know, Like a lot of people
Speaker 7: think that's actually a trite thing to say. It actually isn't,
Speaker 7: because I think the only way that we have any
Speaker 7: power over the things that we literally can't control is prayer.
Speaker 7: Intention call it which you will, doesn't it's not. I'm
Speaker 7: not religious, So when I say prayer, I mean literally
Speaker 7: like putting out the intention, talking to spirits. The more
Speaker 7: that we don't live in the fear, the more we
Speaker 7: avoid living in the fear, the more I think we
Speaker 7: do actually have the opportunity. There is the possibility that
Speaker 7: we can change the vibration of the frequency and the vibration.
Speaker 7: So I don't think that it's actually as I don't
Speaker 7: think that prayer is just words. I think it actually
Speaker 7: has a lot more meaning than that.
Speaker 4: And actually I always like to bring up whenever you
Speaker 4: think about prayer or faith or anything like that, it
Speaker 4: doesn't always necessarily have to be tied to religion. But
Speaker 4: just speaking on faith for a second, there was this
Speaker 4: guy wrote one of the most popular books of all
Speaker 4: time called Think and Grow Rich Napoleon Hill, And whenever
Speaker 4: I read that book. I was reading it because I
Speaker 4: was going into real estate and I was trying to
Speaker 4: get into the mindset of a millionaire, that whole mentality, right,
Speaker 4: And one of the one of the awesome parts of
Speaker 4: the book is where he starts talking about faith. He
Speaker 4: waited until basically the end of the book. He got
Speaker 4: out all the you know, all the business stuff and
Speaker 4: the business acumen and all that kind of stuff out
Speaker 4: in the front, and towards the end he started talking
Speaker 4: about faith and he goes, now, I'm not a religious man,
Speaker 4: but I use faith all the time. And essentially, like
Speaker 4: the idea of all right, I'm going like, instead of oh,
Speaker 4: I hope that I can be rich or I wish
Speaker 4: that I could be rich, He's like, no, I'm going
Speaker 4: to be rich. Like that's the the level of faith
Speaker 4: that you have to have within yourself, within your within
Speaker 4: in the universe. And there's something about that, maybe call
Speaker 4: it the law of attraction or whatever, but you're just
Speaker 4: putting yourself in that vibration to allow it to happen.
Speaker 4: Because if you're somebody that's always in lack and you know,
Speaker 4: all you know is another bad thing happening to me.
Speaker 4: What else is new? Like, if you're that kind of person,
Speaker 4: then that's what you're going to attrack. You You attract
Speaker 4: what you put out essentially, And he was talking about
Speaker 4: that shit back in the sixties, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's not the first ever talk about it, but just
Speaker 4: as far as business mentality goes, tying that in, I
Speaker 4: thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I heard that today too. Again. I've not heard
Speaker 7: it for the first time, but I heard again that
Speaker 7: story about Neville Goddard and I think he was talking
Speaker 7: about I think it was Bermuda where he's like said
Speaker 7: to his whoever that like mentor guy was that he
Speaker 7: hung around, and he said like, I want to go
Speaker 7: to Bermuda and the guy goes, stop it. You're already
Speaker 7: you're in Bermuda. And he's like, stop saying that. Just
Speaker 7: you're in Bermuda. I don't want to hear another word
Speaker 7: about it. And according to the story, he's like slammed
Speaker 7: the door in his face and was like, no, you're
Speaker 7: already there. And then he got a call from like
Speaker 7: some family member that was like, Hey, we're going to
Speaker 7: do a family trip to Bermuda, and so we got
Speaker 7: you a ticket or something of that nature. So all week,
Speaker 7: I've been kind of going stopping myself, and I'm on
Speaker 7: like a thirty day personal challenge to change my language.
Speaker 7: I even said like, oh I have. I was telling
Speaker 7: my roommate, Oh, I have to teach a class to
Speaker 7: voiceover class tonight and then I have to do a podcast,
Speaker 7: and I was like, no, no, wait, Well I actually
Speaker 7: really love doing this and I love teaching. So I
Speaker 7: was like, no, no, wait, I get to teach a
Speaker 7: class and I get to be on this amazing podcast,
Speaker 7: and yes, they're on our to do list, but they're
Speaker 7: things that are actually exciting and fun. So even just
Speaker 7: the way that I've been speaking of like oh I wish,
Speaker 7: no I have, I have, Like, Okay, so right now
Speaker 7: it looks like I it looks as if I don't
Speaker 7: have money for rent, but I do. It's just I'll
Speaker 7: see it in a couple of days. It's going to
Speaker 7: be there. It's gonna come in. I don't know how,
Speaker 7: but it's coming.
Speaker 4: And just kind of, yeah, it does if you keep
Speaker 4: that proper mentality too, you know. And I what I
Speaker 4: love too is you know, I'll I've gotten into the
Speaker 4: practice of giving myself a terror reading per day, just
Speaker 4: a one card draw almost like how some people use
Speaker 4: astrology or they check in, you know, with a prayer
Speaker 4: or whatever. Right, I've I've gotten into the practice of
Speaker 4: just pulling a one card how's my day gonna go?
Speaker 4: Show me? And and I feel like that is so
Speaker 4: powerful too, because not only does it kind of set
Speaker 4: you up, but there's certain like surprises where you'll get
Speaker 4: a card and you'll be like, how how is that
Speaker 4: gonna work out? You know, and like in what way
Speaker 4: is this going to be expressed? And lately I've actually
Speaker 4: been getting like a lot of like Queen of Pencacles,
Speaker 4: King of Pencacles, Ace of Pentacles. And anytime you get
Speaker 4: like one of those Pencacle cards, it usually means more
Speaker 4: chetta cheese is coming your way, right, Yeah, And so
Speaker 4: I was like, I mean, I'm not hurting by any means,
Speaker 4: but it would be I would always welcome in more, right,
Speaker 4: and so and I was like, but I wonder, like
Speaker 4: how that's going to work. I don't know, maybe I
Speaker 4: drew the card wrong or was I not in alignment
Speaker 4: whenever I did it, So you start questioning yourself, you know.
Speaker 4: And now I got this whole like plan of moving
Speaker 4: somewhere else that's going to going to allow me to
Speaker 4: save up a lot more money. So it's not even
Speaker 4: necessarily that I'll be making so much more, but it's
Speaker 4: just that I won't be spending so much. So it
Speaker 4: kind of is giving yourself a raise whenever you're not
Speaker 4: having to spend so much to live, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, Yeah. I'm literally just correcting myself all week long.
Speaker 7: I don't want to be untruthful and walk around telling
Speaker 7: everybody my delusions because then they might say, oh, that
Speaker 7: really happened, you actually won the lottery, and then I'll
Speaker 7: be spreading lies. But I'm trying to just my roommate's
Speaker 7: spiritual fairy. So we just say things like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 7: did you get that ten thousand dollars check in the mail?
Speaker 7: I did, girl, And just kind of have someone to
Speaker 7: be delusional with you, because I think it really helps.
Speaker 7: And I just had someone on my podcast where we
Speaker 7: talked about that and just how it's it's already in you.
Speaker 7: It's just jumping into the timeline or none of the
Speaker 7: vibration of it's already there. It's just a possibility. But
Speaker 7: you kind of have to get your vibration right where
Speaker 7: that frequency is to line up with it. That's all
Speaker 7: it is.
Speaker 6: You know, adya You ever noticed that really successful people
Speaker 6: seem to have things just kind of given to them
Speaker 6: or things just continuously fall into their lap, and it's like,
Speaker 6: what is it about this guy? And really, all it
Speaker 6: is it's not so much that they already have a
Speaker 6: lot of money. It's more so that they've already embodied
Speaker 6: the being that that gets a lot of money or
Speaker 6: things come to them.
Speaker 7: And then more the more you receive, the more you're like,
Speaker 7: ah see, I am that person and that Yeah, it's
Speaker 7: I'm trying to put myself back in the mindset of like, oh,
Speaker 7: there was a day when like everything was booming and
Speaker 7: I just remember thinking, I can't believe it. I can't
Speaker 7: believe it. Like I'm making a full time living as
Speaker 7: a voice actor, Like who thought this was going to happen?
Speaker 7: And you know, pandemic happened. Lots of things have happened
Speaker 7: since then, and that kind of derailed me, like losing
Speaker 7: my voice and stuff. But uh, you know, I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 7: but I did it once. I just have to remember
Speaker 7: what it feels like because otherwise if you're always the
Speaker 7: guy that's like, ah, slipping through my fingers. Then you
Speaker 7: identify with that guy or person you know.
Speaker 6: But if you only identify how hard it's going to
Speaker 6: be or all the negative aspects of that, and then
Speaker 6: that's what you're going to see.
Speaker 5: And so it's really it's really simple.
Speaker 6: It's really simple, but it's not easy, you know, to
Speaker 6: kind of flip that around exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh, I also wanted to ask because this is
Speaker 7: like off topic, but we're going to I know it's
Speaker 7: on topic, is that, Jonathan? I had asked you before
Speaker 7: I got on the I heard like my ear was
Speaker 7: ringing really loudly before I came on here earlier. And
Speaker 7: when I when that happens, I can tell when it's
Speaker 7: just a ringing ear versus like a spirit and it
Speaker 7: might even just be a high frequency energy or whatever.
Speaker 7: And I'll give you an example of that in a bit.
Speaker 7: But because it kind of something blew my mind in
Speaker 7: that regard. But so now I'm like, Okay, I heard
Speaker 7: this like loud frequency in my ear today. So what
Speaker 7: I do when I hear a loud frequency is I say, oh,
Speaker 7: high spirit, I mean, and then I just say, who's there?
Speaker 7: And I heard Rick, Ranger Rick, So I just wanted
Speaker 7: to run that by anybody to see if anybody has
Speaker 7: someone named Rick on the other side. I'm not sure
Speaker 7: exactly where that's going yet, but Nick, do you no, Okay,
Speaker 7: I just wanted to run it by anybody in case
Speaker 7: there was a soul named Rick on the other side.
Speaker 7: But I'll get more sometimes it just it might have
Speaker 7: to do with something else. I know Ranger Rick was
Speaker 7: a magazine back in the day, but you guys are
Speaker 7: all too young to know that.
Speaker 4: Well, look, we have a bunch of listeners on the
Speaker 4: other side then aren't tuned into the live show. So
Speaker 4: maybe somebody across the world. Maybe that connects to somebody
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it feels like if it was Ranger Rick, it
Speaker 7: would it be somebody that would literally work in park services.
Speaker 7: So and I'm not one hundred percent sure about that.
Speaker 7: So I'll just we'll kind of go into some reading stuff.
Speaker 7: I'll just kind of but but and I just wanted
Speaker 7: to share something before because sometimes if I just keep talking,
Speaker 7: then more stuff will PLoP in.
Speaker 8: But I.
Speaker 7: Taught a mediumship class, which I do with my friend Nikki,
Speaker 7: and she had us do photo readings, and I consider
Speaker 7: myself not to be good at reading photos. That's like,
Speaker 7: show me a picture and then tell me who the
Speaker 7: soul is and how they passed and all that, because
Speaker 7: to me, when I look at a photo, it gives
Speaker 7: me too much of a story in my head, like
Speaker 7: because I can kind of see what type of person
Speaker 7: they are, and so I like not to see anything
Speaker 7: or know anything. But we did the exercise and I
Speaker 7: wrote down a whole bunch of stuff. I said to her,
Speaker 7: to the whole class, I actually suck at photo readings, said,
Speaker 7: don't look at me. But I read back a lot
Speaker 7: of that. It was a photo of Nikki's grandma, and
Speaker 7: I wrote down all these things. And I wrote down
Speaker 7: Gwendolyn and Sondra and Wilma. And then she's like, okay,
Speaker 7: well those are all my aunts. So like yes, I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 7: I guess I got something. But to me, it was
Speaker 7: I think because she was sitting there, like because her
Speaker 7: energy was with me, not just a photo. Right, So
Speaker 7: that all checked out, but she kind of didn't claim
Speaker 7: some other stuff. After we got off the call, she's like,
Speaker 7: I'm trying to think of how to tell this. It's
Speaker 7: a personal story. So I'm just gonna say, actually, I
Speaker 7: think the name was Rick. It was something like I
Speaker 7: just kept hearing no, it wasn't, it was something else.
Speaker 7: But I kept hearing this name over and over and
Speaker 7: over and she's not claiming it, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 7: I'll just keep giving you more information. And then I
Speaker 7: just said it the name again, and she said, hold on,
Speaker 7: let me just close the door so that my kids
Speaker 7: can't hear this. And I won't say what it was
Speaker 7: because it was really uber personal, but it was something
Speaker 7: about that something traumatic that had happened to her and
Speaker 7: her grandmother hadn't basically gotten her back her. Her grandmother
Speaker 7: basically had not like believed that it happened. And so
Speaker 7: at that moment, I thought, Okay, she's wanting to apologize
Speaker 7: for that, because she would because I'm reading. I'm doing
Speaker 7: this reading and she I keep hearing this name over
Speaker 7: and over and over and over and over, and she
Speaker 7: keeps being like, nope, nope, nope, and it was the
Speaker 7: name of this like character in the in the story.
Speaker 7: And right at that moment, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 7: she wants to apologize. And my ear started ringing. It
Speaker 7: was like this pressure built up in my ear that
Speaker 7: was so loud it felt like my head was gonna explode.
Speaker 7: And it was like loud, loud ringing, and then I
Speaker 7: got chills. All it was like somebody just like moved
Speaker 7: all the way through me. And I go, she wants
Speaker 7: to say she's sorry about whatever, and she goes, oh
Speaker 7: my god. I was meditating two days ago and she
Speaker 7: came to me and said that same thing. So now
Speaker 7: when I hear ringing in my ear, I was normally
Speaker 7: it's like not that it was so important. It was
Speaker 7: such a like major important thing that her grandma had
Speaker 7: to say because it needed major healing. And I've never
Speaker 7: gotten such a physical, go visceral like like I like
Speaker 7: that ringing was like I could feel it. I don't
Speaker 7: know how they do how they do that, but I
Speaker 7: guess it's like the energy moving through your body and
Speaker 7: stimulating your ear drum or whatever. So when I get
Speaker 7: a feeling like that, I just I heard a ringing
Speaker 7: and I and then I said, who's there? And I
Speaker 7: heard Rick rangeer Rick. So again, if anyone can claim that,
Speaker 7: you can let us know. I would need more than that, obviously,
Speaker 7: because as an evidential medium the evidence is in showing
Speaker 7: me something that there's no way that I could possibly
Speaker 7: know other than just you can't just come through and
Speaker 7: say I love you. You've got to say I love you,
Speaker 7: and you're using that end table that I gave you
Speaker 7: or built for you, and then then I then I know, okay,
Speaker 7: it's coming from them and not just from my own memory.
Speaker 7: So first I just wanted to let you Yeah, first,
Speaker 7: want to let you speak, but also just wanted to
Speaker 7: see if there's anything for like the panel here. Sometimes
Speaker 7: I like to write and I don't have anything with me,
Speaker 7: But is there anything that you want to say before
Speaker 7: I give it a go?
Speaker 4: Are you talking to us or like the spirit over
Speaker 4: the okay? Just yeah, well, I mean we're kind of
Speaker 4: just ready to take the training wheels off and hit
Speaker 4: it at one hundred miles an hour. Let's get weird.
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's get weird and see what happens, because sometimes
Speaker 7: it's better when there's just more pressure and it tends
Speaker 7: to be easier with the group. So okay, uh, first, okay,
Speaker 7: the first thing that I'm feeling is that there's somebody
Speaker 7: it may even be in this direct room. I could
Speaker 7: be like, you know, Pete. Uh is it? How do
Speaker 7: you say it? Asia?
Speaker 4: Asia?
Speaker 7: I mean Asia, that makes much more sense. Thank you,
Speaker 7: Asia Pete for it. Kyle Nick, there feels you all
Speaker 7: look pretty young to me, but does one if you
Speaker 7: have a father that's on the other side, and if
Speaker 7: what we can do too is like raise your hand.
Speaker 7: If like one thing, this can be like a father
Speaker 7: or grandfather. And I think I heard like the name.
Speaker 7: See I'm hearing Rick and Dick at the same time,
Speaker 7: so I kind of want to say this would be Richard,
Speaker 7: but it's I'm wondering if it's the same person. It
Speaker 7: feels like Richard, but they go by Dick, which I know.
Speaker 7: Can anybody take that off the bat? No, Okay, that's
Speaker 7: all right, I'm gonna keep going. So it feels as
Speaker 7: though there's a father. I do feel like this father
Speaker 7: would have passed pretty young, like in fifties, like fifties
Speaker 7: or early sixties. I definitely feel like this is like
Speaker 7: an outdoorsman kind of person. I feel like there's a
Speaker 7: fishing pole, so this could even be a grandfather. I
Speaker 7: hope it's It could even be, but I don't know
Speaker 7: if it's Bob again, if it's Bob again. But I
Speaker 7: definitely felt like this is somebody who's who's showing me
Speaker 7: like standing out in the woods fishing like a fisherman,
Speaker 7: somebody who camps, somebody who drives a truck, but nobody
Speaker 7: has the name Dick, do they specifically? Okay, let me
Speaker 7: just kind of go into a little bit more Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 7: what was someone going to say?
Speaker 4: Oh no, I was just going to say, whenever that happens,
Speaker 4: I want to know the mental process of what you're
Speaker 4: thinking about.
Speaker 7: So what First? I kind of I ask who's there?
Speaker 7: And then I feel immediately like the knowing that there's
Speaker 7: a father on the other side, and it's a father
Speaker 7: that was not older. So I might even want to say,
Speaker 7: like sixty, but he's sort of a young sixty. He's
Speaker 7: not like a professional suit guy. He's more of an
Speaker 7: outdoorsy guy. And I'm going to ask him for specifics too.
Speaker 7: This is somebody who would camp, who would fish. He
Speaker 7: does have a smoker's laugh, so I feel that he's
Speaker 7: somebody who smokes like heavily. He also is giving me
Speaker 7: the feeling of like heart related. It might have been
Speaker 7: like a sudden kind of passing from a heart attack.
Speaker 7: Can anyone claim this, and if we can't, what often
Speaker 7: happens is that somebody's who's not in the room or not.
Speaker 7: Do we have the ability for people to chime in? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean from the outside.
Speaker 4: If this is describing anybody, you'all feel free to unmute
Speaker 4: or just feel freezing or whatever.
Speaker 7: I'm feeling sort of like a choking feel like like
Speaker 7: I'm having trouble breathing, and like my heart, it feels
Speaker 7: as though this would have been my heart's kind of
Speaker 7: pounding really hard, So I feel like it's somebody who
Speaker 7: would have died of a sudden heart attack. And when
Speaker 7: I say dad, it could be stepdad, it could be grandfather,
Speaker 7: could be friend's dad. So just keep that in mind
Speaker 7: as well, because sometimes spirit will come in for another
Speaker 7: person knowing that you're here, but that they might need
Speaker 7: to say something else. I'm also feeling like numbness in
Speaker 7: my wrists, and that often means like a stroke, So
Speaker 7: it kind of just feels like there's this feeling of
Speaker 7: not being able to move, like on the top and
Speaker 7: so like the chest it feels compressed like I'm having
Speaker 7: trouble breathing. And whoever this is also is bringing through
Speaker 7: a feeling of like remorse about not being there, like
Speaker 7: I wasn't necessarily the most present father or grandfather. Does
Speaker 7: this resonate with anybody not me? You may have to, Okay,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to stress about it. I'm just gonna
Speaker 7: kind of know that, like, uh, I'm just gonna see.
Speaker 4: Nora chimed in. She said, oh shit, it really is
Speaker 4: an early meta episode. Happy birthday to me, it literally is.
Speaker 5: My birthday today, Happy birthday.
Speaker 7: No, happy birthday, Hi Norah, happy birthday. Okay. So what
Speaker 7: I might do is sometimes the thing is somebody might
Speaker 7: later be like, this is somebody I feel like this
Speaker 7: person woodworking is like something that they do with their hand.
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously they work with their hands woodworking, but
Speaker 7: there's also the sense of like not really being around
Speaker 7: very much for their kids. So and it feels like
Speaker 7: they have a daughter and a son, and it feels
Speaker 7: as though there's something like artery related, Like it feels
Speaker 7: like somebody that didn't take care of himself and had
Speaker 7: like high cholesterol and like blocked arteries and that kind
Speaker 7: of thing. So if it's not resonating right now, I'm
Speaker 7: just going to trust that. I'm just looking at making
Speaker 7: sure I'm not missing anything in the chat. I'm getting
Speaker 7: like tingles all over my body, so this may be
Speaker 7: something that comes up later, which kind of sucks. I
Speaker 7: feeling it so strongly though, I'm feeling like my heart's pounding,
Speaker 7: like like something's wrong with my heart. I'm not able
Speaker 7: to breathe. And again, this person's kind of saying I
Speaker 7: wasn't really the father that I should have been. It
Speaker 7: was like he kind of just like had a kid
Speaker 7: and then had this very young, didn't really realize that
Speaker 7: he could have been there. More often it's a guy
Speaker 7: who's sort of like out just not really wanting to grow.
Speaker 7: You can chime in, please, Nora, does it ring to Okay,
Speaker 7: thank you Nora, I appreciate who I just got chills
Speaker 7: all the way at my leg. Okay, uh, do you
Speaker 7: want to? You don't have to be on camera if
Speaker 7: you don't want to, but do you want it? Can
Speaker 7: you tell me, like what part does resonate? Don't give
Speaker 7: me too much information, just like I'm getting the.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 7: Oh, my happy birthday.
Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you very much. Honestly kind of rings
Speaker 8: to my dad so much. The word working stuff okay,
Speaker 8: but he did recently have his eighth minor stroke.
Speaker 7: Okay, but he's is he alive?
Speaker 8: He is alive, but I have the feeling he is close.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, that's very possible. I could
Speaker 7: be paid. This could be something psychic. Now the woodworking stuff,
Speaker 7: I'm not sure. You know, I'm not sure where that
Speaker 7: fits in. But uh, and I don't want to make
Speaker 7: it fit. But I do feel as though, and this
Speaker 7: is your biologue. If if it's too personal, just stop me.
Speaker 7: But this is your biological father, yes, ma'am. Okay. And
Speaker 7: is he but he's currently like awaken alive, like he's
Speaker 7: not in a coma or anything.
Speaker 8: He is, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 7: Okay, Just so I make sure. Because I also wonder
Speaker 7: if it might be like his mom coming through or
Speaker 7: something of the other, because there does there's Is he
Speaker 7: sort of an outdoorsy.
Speaker 8: Kind of a person, Yeah, definitely not.
Speaker 7: Okay, then maybe then I don't think this would be him.
Speaker 7: But let's just kind of stay on that path because
Speaker 7: I could be jumbling up other other things as well.
Speaker 7: I am picking up, like I said, like tingles all
Speaker 7: over my body. I am picking up something about a
Speaker 7: stroke heart attack. It feels like paralysis in my chest
Speaker 7: and in my arms, and that would be interesting. If
Speaker 7: he's not on the other side. It's possible, but I
Speaker 7: just I don't want to force it. But let's just
Speaker 7: kind of see where that goes. Is there somebody too,
Speaker 7: like a family member on the other side. I'm going
Speaker 7: to go with you, Nora, just to see because it
Speaker 7: might kind of help me connect better. I also have
Speaker 7: the feeling of somebody with the name Rose on the
Speaker 7: other side. Would that be like his mom or some
Speaker 7: one of your grandmother's.
Speaker 8: Oh well, to kind of split on that. My mother
Speaker 8: in law, that's her name, however, she is alive, okay,
Speaker 8: But my birth father is literally haunted by my deceased grandmother.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh. Okay, so Rose is okay? Wait, so
Speaker 7: Rose is your mother in law, mother in law? Okay,
Speaker 7: got it, got it. But she's alive, yes, ma'am. And
Speaker 7: then Rose is your partner's mother, yes, ma'am. And then
Speaker 7: who is the person who's haunted. Who's haunted by the
Speaker 7: grand law.
Speaker 8: My birth father, who is currently alive.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 8: So the death of my grandmother, his mother was a
Speaker 8: very traumatic experience for him.
Speaker 7: Okay, let me. I'm just trying to figure out why
Speaker 7: we're talking about Rose. Does Rose also have a U
Speaker 7: Does she have a partner that's or like a husband
Speaker 7: that's on the other side or no? Okay, why are
Speaker 7: we talking about Rose? And is Rose in good health?
Speaker 7: Is she doing all right right now?
Speaker 8: He's in good health, yes, ma'am, Okay, it is good.
Speaker 8: We're staying about the woodworking.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, my father in law.
Speaker 8: Okay, her husband, he's alive, but he has done a
Speaker 8: lot of woodworking.
Speaker 7: Okay, let me just kind of lean into that. Because
Speaker 7: they're alive. Usually what this means is somebody's trying to
Speaker 7: get through to them from the other side. If it's
Speaker 7: like Rose and woodworking, is there anything about I don't
Speaker 7: know who the soul is that's like the fishermen outdoorsman.
Speaker 7: It might be somebody completely different. We've got a lot
Speaker 7: of people here, so it's very possible. But if we're
Speaker 7: talking about Rose and her husband being in woodworking sibling,
Speaker 7: this does feel like I do kind of feel and
Speaker 7: they're not the ones that are haunted, but I do
Speaker 7: feel like there's do you know, like their parents, is
Speaker 7: there somebody on that side of the family that would
Speaker 7: be like a camping person, like fisherman, somebody of that nature,
Speaker 7: like on that side of the family.
Speaker 8: Not all okay, on that side of the family. However,
Speaker 8: my my family's a little complicated.
Speaker 7: That sometimes happens and then it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, my grandpa, who is my birth father's father, is
Speaker 8: exactly that woods the outdoorsman, fishermen.
Speaker 7: Who go on, go on, I'm sorry, Oh you're good.
Speaker 8: Sorry, he did have a lot of regret over certain
Speaker 8: situations in my birth house.
Speaker 7: Gotcha, And is he on the other side as well? Okay,
Speaker 7: let me just kind of go in that direction too,
Speaker 7: because I feel like there's like all these different things
Speaker 7: I'm getting like tingles all over, So it just might
Speaker 7: be a bunch of different people kind of coming in,
Speaker 7: especially because it's your birthday, which would make sense that
Speaker 7: you'd be getting kind of love on your birthday. So yeah,
Speaker 7: let me just kind of go with that because I'm
Speaker 7: not going to try to fit you can you can
Speaker 7: as long as it makes sense to you. I don't
Speaker 7: need to know, like you know, I guess I don't
Speaker 7: need to figure all that stuff out. But I'm feeling
Speaker 7: like there is there is a reference and who it'll
Speaker 7: all come together. It always does. There is a reference
Speaker 7: to Rose, there is a reference to someone in woodworking.
Speaker 7: There is a reference to this gentleman that's like on
Speaker 7: the other side that would be like a camping outdoors guy, fisherman,
Speaker 7: and who comes through with remorse about sort of not
Speaker 7: being the father that he could have been, or at
Speaker 7: least not protecting his kids the way he could have.
Speaker 7: Does that make sense to you with him, yes, ma'am. Okay.
Speaker 7: And were you here? Sorry? Were you here when I
Speaker 7: was asking if you had someone named if anyone had
Speaker 7: someone named Rick, because I heard ranger Rick earlier or Dick.
Speaker 7: But I think you were here for that. Oh no, ma'am.
Speaker 8: I had just popped in about ten minutes ago.
Speaker 7: Okay. Does the name Rick mean anything to you?
Speaker 8: Oh no, ma'a.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. Okay, that's okay, Okay. So it feels as
Speaker 7: though I kind of want to go with Grandpa real.
Speaker 7: I kind of want to lean in that direction, although
Speaker 7: it's still kind of of feeling like there's someone now
Speaker 7: I'm feeling somebody that has like stomach I'm having stomach
Speaker 7: pain that would have like stomach cancer or stomach lining cancer.
Speaker 7: Does that mean anything to you? With your loved ones
Speaker 7: on the other side, and don't worry if it doesn't,
Speaker 7: it's okay to say no.
Speaker 8: It absolutely does. My grandpa he died from cancer that
Speaker 8: had originated in the bowels and spread up.
Speaker 7: That's what I'm feeling like, stomach cancer feels right. So
Speaker 7: I do feel like we have Dad and we'll figure
Speaker 7: out the other stuff if it's important later, but right now,
Speaker 7: I just feel like this is fisherman guy. I don't
Speaker 7: know what the name Dick or Rick has, but I
Speaker 7: almost now kind of was leaning towards it might be
Speaker 7: someone who went by Dick, which I know no one
Speaker 7: does anymore because no one wants to be named that.
Speaker 7: But back in the day it was like a very
Speaker 7: more of a common kind of a name. And don't
Speaker 7: tell me what it is, because I'm going to see
Speaker 7: if he can bring it into me. But yeah, so
Speaker 7: this is Grandpa. And again just so for reference, again,
Speaker 7: Grandpa is your bio dad's father or your step Okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: but did you not meet him in like before you
Speaker 7: were did he pass before you were born?
Speaker 8: Oh no, ma'am.
Speaker 7: He passed about.
Speaker 9: Twelve thirteen years ago.
Speaker 7: Okay, got it. I kept seeing like the number like seven.
Speaker 7: I don't know if this is his age now that
Speaker 7: I'm at first, like, when I saw this guy, he
Speaker 7: looked younger, like sixty, but I just asked for more information,
Speaker 7: and I'm getting like, I don't know if you would
Speaker 7: know this, but like seventy three, and I couldn't figure
Speaker 7: out if that was a year like nineteen seventy three
Speaker 7: or if that was like his age. Do you happen
Speaker 7: to remember how old he was when he passed?
Speaker 8: Ah, seventy three, that does sound.
Speaker 7: About right, Okay, I feel like seventy three, and I'm
Speaker 7: getting like chills right here, and then I feel like
Speaker 7: major major chills on my scalp. So it feels really
Speaker 7: important that he talks to his son. And does does
Speaker 7: your dad have a sister as well?
Speaker 8: No, ma'am, only child.
Speaker 7: Okay. Do you know if they had like a sister
Speaker 7: that would be on the other side, or someone that's
Speaker 7: like a sister that would be like a niece of
Speaker 7: his or something, because he's addressing like a boy and
Speaker 7: a girl. And does your dad also have a brother? No, ma'am,
Speaker 7: it's just your dad. It's just your dad, Okay. Because
Speaker 7: I kept seeing a boy and a girl, and then
Speaker 7: there might be other children that are like nieces nephews
Speaker 7: that did they all play together? Like? Did they all
Speaker 7: they grow up in the same house? Are they all together?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 8: Not sure about nieces or nephews.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, go ahead unless you have kids. Do you
Speaker 7: have children?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 7: I do, two girls? Okay, And that's not what Okay.
Speaker 7: I'll just keep going with it because I'm feeling like
Speaker 7: his big reason for coming through is really apologizing for
Speaker 7: like not being consistently there and kind of being in
Speaker 7: his own selfishness, like not being able to be consistent.
Speaker 7: Was he waiting for I can't quite tell. Usually if
Speaker 7: somebody's a drinker, I get really dizzy. But do you
Speaker 7: know did he drink beer a lot?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 7: He didn't. Is there somebody that did? Because I'm seeing
Speaker 7: like Marlborough or something like it. Was there somebody who
Speaker 7: would have drank Marlborough beer? I mean sorry, not Marlborough.
Speaker 7: Sorry not. That's Marlboro's cigarettes, which I used to smoke.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to see what this brand is. It's like
Speaker 7: a gold can and I don't know what. I haven't
Speaker 7: had beer in such a long time, I don't remember
Speaker 7: what it is. But no, what were you going to
Speaker 7: say about the beer?
Speaker 8: It does relate to somebody else, not on that side
Speaker 8: of the family, somebody who And if if this rings
Speaker 8: to anybody else listening, I'd like to hear that too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the beer is what is it something? It's Miller.
Speaker 7: It's Miller. Thank you. I'm like seeing the I'm seeing
Speaker 7: the thing and I'm seeing the m and I keep
Speaker 7: wanting to say Marlboro, but it's Miller. So like, if
Speaker 7: any Miller beer is specifically important, or it's somebody's last name,
Speaker 7: please let me know. Does that resonate with your grandfather
Speaker 7: coming through to sort of apologize for not being the
Speaker 7: most consistent father. It just feels like he's in and
Speaker 7: then he's out.
Speaker 8: He definitely would have felt like not being consistent enough
Speaker 8: and raising his child my dad.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just kind of felt like he wanted to
Speaker 7: apologize to your dad because he understands that he didn't
Speaker 7: spend the time that he really needed to and that
Speaker 7: your dad kind of, I don't say suffered but literally
Speaker 7: suffered for that. I mean I will say suffered for
Speaker 7: that in the sense that he might have kind of
Speaker 7: gotten off track a little bit just because he didn't
Speaker 7: really ever feel totally safe and loved by his dad.
Speaker 7: I don't know if he ever expressed that to you.
Speaker 8: Uh, he hadn't, but it could have been something that
Speaker 8: happened that I didn't see.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it just kind of it felt as though it
Speaker 7: did affect. It's like kind of affected the way that
Speaker 7: he parented and like the way that it's just sort
Speaker 7: of acknowledging like I wasn't quite always there the way
Speaker 7: that I should have been. And again, I'm just kind
Speaker 7: of getting like pain in my chest. But I'm waiting
Speaker 7: for him to tell me you knew him in this life?
Speaker 7: Did you? Yes?
Speaker 8: Absolutely let me.
Speaker 7: I want him to show I need him to show
Speaker 7: me something. Bracelet. Did he give you like a gold
Speaker 7: bracelet at some or do you have a gold bracelet
Speaker 7: that would be significant? And if it's not him, was
Speaker 7: it a gold bracelet that you would wear or have
Speaker 7: been given by dad or someone else that's on the
Speaker 7: other side. It might even be a baby bracelet. Now
Speaker 7: that I'm looking at it, it's like a little it's little.
Speaker 7: It's like it may not fit you anymore. And if
Speaker 7: you don't know, just get back. So a lot of
Speaker 7: times after the fact, people come back the next day
Speaker 7: and they're like, oh my gosh, I just remembered what
Speaker 7: this is. So sometimes just kind of think it. Don't
Speaker 7: force it, but if that does make sense to you,
Speaker 7: let me know or let Jonathan know or Sean know,
Speaker 7: because it does feel like there was something like a
Speaker 7: baby bracelet or something that he would have given to
Speaker 7: you or that you would still have. You still have
Speaker 7: your baby bracelet, like a baby brain. It looks like
Speaker 7: it has little beads on it or something too, So
Speaker 7: just think just if that comes up, let me know.
Speaker 7: And is there somebody named Cheryl on either in your
Speaker 7: family or on the other side? No, ma'am okay, anybody
Speaker 7: else have Cheryl? No? Okay, I'm feeling big chills on
Speaker 7: my right hand side. So I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 7: out if that's all he wanted to say, But again,
Speaker 7: I would need more. Steve, I feel like I'm hearing
Speaker 7: like Stephen. Do you have someone named Stephen on the
Speaker 7: other side?
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 9: Okay, Maybe what's going on is with everybody listening, there's
Speaker 9: so many spirits.
Speaker 7: Coming Sometimes that sometimes happens, but like if anything comes
Speaker 7: to you later, yeah, you should maybe just want to
Speaker 7: like edit this part out, so everyone's not bored. But
Speaker 7: the thing is, the process can be kind of slow sometimes,
Speaker 7: or I get a lot of stuff and then I'm
Speaker 7: like I'm not hitting on anything, and then the next
Speaker 7: day someone's like, oh my gosh, I just realized that
Speaker 7: was for me. So I don't want to give up
Speaker 7: on it. But I just definitely feel like what I
Speaker 7: know is like this man has stomach cancer. I feel
Speaker 7: like he's an outdoorsman. I feel like he just wants
Speaker 7: to apologize to his son for not being the best
Speaker 7: father he could be. And I would say that he's
Speaker 7: wishing you happy birthday, but I only know that because
Speaker 7: you told me, and so I can't validate that because
Speaker 7: usually when it's a birthday, I see a red balloon
Speaker 7: and you already I already knew it was your birthday.
Speaker 7: But so I also thought I heard like a grandmother
Speaker 7: with the name Sophia or something like that. Does anyone
Speaker 7: have Sylvia or Sophia a grandmother in this room. I'm
Speaker 7: also wondering if it's for somebody else, and like the greater.
Speaker 4: Somebody's listening to this shit the next day, like, oh.
Speaker 7: My god, why was I? So I don't want to
Speaker 7: freak out about it because this has happened before. I'm like,
Speaker 7: I'm not something's not happening here. But then this I
Speaker 7: had this woman that was like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: no no. And I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 7: just going to give her a refund because I think
Speaker 7: that sucked. And then the next day her other daughter
Speaker 7: wrote to me and was like, she is I told
Speaker 7: her mom literally everything was literally I'm not saying that
Speaker 7: this is you, but there are things you may not know.
Speaker 7: But she was like every single thing. And then she
Speaker 7: talked to the spirit's husband and he wrote to me
Speaker 7: and was like, I can go off checklist and just
Speaker 7: tell you everything. He's like, you said that there was
Speaker 7: a blanket in the coffin and that there was a
Speaker 7: white rose in the coffin. Grandma said, no, he's like
Speaker 7: my daughter put I said, it's something like her cozy blanket,
Speaker 7: and they said, that's what we used to call it.
Speaker 7: It's her cozy blanket. And we put it in there,
Speaker 7: and her daughter drew and my daughter actually drew a
Speaker 7: picture of a white rose and put it in the coffin.
Speaker 7: But I guess grandma didn't know that. So we'll just
Speaker 7: keep talking because sometimes something like remember last time, it
Speaker 7: just kind of sort of came in organically.
Speaker 4: And all of this is that you like you're already proven,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like you proved it to
Speaker 4: us that you were on something. That's why we're just
Speaker 4: like watching you cook, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's funny. It's a process. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 7: it's such a process of Okay, now I feel like
Speaker 7: pain in my stomach. So I know this person has
Speaker 7: stomach cancer, and I know this person has trouble expressing
Speaker 7: their feelings like Grandpa. To me feels like somebody that
Speaker 7: would have had trouble expressing emotion in this life. Not
Speaker 7: that he's a bad guy, just like he's not gonna
Speaker 7: be the guy to say, hey, son, like let me
Speaker 7: talk about this with you. And but there is this
Speaker 7: feeling of like I really want to tell him I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: I love him, I'm so sorry that I wasn't the
Speaker 7: father that I should have been. And now I realize
Speaker 7: the time that I kind of wasted. Do you know
Speaker 7: if that was his personality? Nora, yes, ma'am, okay was
Speaker 7: it feels like he's loving, like he's caring, and you know,
Speaker 7: you wouldn't say that he's like a cold, but he
Speaker 7: just is not going to be the first person to
Speaker 7: step up and share his feelings. And now it's like, oh,
Speaker 7: why did I do that? Like, why didn't I just
Speaker 7: say how I felt? Why didn't I let him know
Speaker 7: I loved him? And it just feel like his pride
Speaker 7: kind of got in the way of really getting vulnerable
Speaker 7: with his son. So I don't know if that's something
Speaker 7: you'd talk to your dad about her, if he's even spiritual.
Speaker 7: But that's kind of the feeling that I had. Was
Speaker 7: just wanting to to say, I wish that I had
Speaker 7: been more open. I wish that I had just said
Speaker 7: how I felt.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that that definitely rings true. There were they,
Speaker 8: my grandma and my birth dad. They were very verbally
Speaker 8: abusive towards each other, and they all three of them
Speaker 8: lived in a hoarder house altogether. I even have a
Speaker 8: podcast myself talking about my experience living with them. And
Speaker 8: my grandpa was always the fella to try to keep
Speaker 8: the peace but not get too involved in it, the
Speaker 8: sweet kind of man who was a lack of a
Speaker 8: better term of the bit of a pushover when it came.
Speaker 7: To yeah, it sounded like he's very passive just in
Speaker 7: that like I didn't get that he's a mean person
Speaker 7: or anything. It's more just I don't feel comfortable getting vulnerable.
Speaker 7: I'm not going to rock the boat. I'm not going
Speaker 7: to get overly, you know. Emotional is just how he
Speaker 7: came through as like he loves his son, but it's
Speaker 7: there's something and I yeah, I just also I'm still
Speaker 7: so curious about the woodworking and the Rose because I
Speaker 7: feel like that might be something for them and they
Speaker 7: haven't lost I would assume you would have known this,
Speaker 7: but like your partner doesn't have a sibling on the
Speaker 7: other side or anything like that, because it feels like
Speaker 7: it's for both of them. And that's why I wondered,
Speaker 7: like they didn't lose a child or anything of that nature. Right,
Speaker 7: Not that not that you're aware of, Okay, I just
Speaker 7: felt like a message for they usually bring somebody up
Speaker 7: that's in this world for a reason, and they're pointing
Speaker 7: to two different people like like coming in at the
Speaker 7: same time. But now, if it helps.
Speaker 8: My first daughter's name is Rose and they never got
Speaker 8: to meet her.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, okay, that's more likely, I would say then
Speaker 7: that there's a mention of Rose. So that and so
Speaker 7: your grandfather never got to meet that baby, Yes, ma'am,
Speaker 7: got it. Okay, that makes sense. Thank you. I'm not
Speaker 7: sure where the woodworking fits in, But when I hear Rose,
Speaker 7: that to me would be an acknowledgment of your daughter
Speaker 7: of saying like, we do know her, we didn't miss
Speaker 7: we didn't we didn't meet them in this form, but
Speaker 7: we actually are very aware of Rose and following Rose
Speaker 7: through her life. So that would make more sense to
Speaker 7: me than Rose being your Sometimes we have a message
Speaker 7: for somebody else, but sometimes I want to hear Rose.
Speaker 7: That's just like to me, that's somebody's name and they're
Speaker 7: addressing your daughter and just sending your daughter love like
Speaker 7: I did meet I did meet her, like we're totally there.
Speaker 7: So that thank you for that. That does help a lot.
Speaker 4: Interesting just out of curiosity, Shannon, all right, So whenever
Speaker 4: you're talking to these people or you're getting some form
Speaker 4: of communication from these people that have passed on to
Speaker 4: the other side, like what are they doing over there?
Speaker 4: You know what's going on? Are they just floating around
Speaker 4: and the ether? Are they just free spirits and they
Speaker 4: can pop in and pop out any time, any when,
Speaker 4: anywhere kind of situation. They just question they just exist
Speaker 4: in infinity or how does that work?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's so interesting because even after having interviewed hundreds
Speaker 7: of near deathic speedar answers who've been to the other
Speaker 7: side and come back, I still don't entirely know. But
Speaker 7: I know what I do know. What I do know
Speaker 7: is that when people cross over to the other side,
Speaker 7: they just say that it's not like here, where it's like,
Speaker 7: what are we doing with our time? But there's no time, right.
Speaker 7: Everything happens everything everywhere all at once. So here we
Speaker 7: measure everything by time, and we're like, what are you
Speaker 7: doing with your time? I don't know. I got I'm
Speaker 7: reading a book, I'm making dinner, then I gotta go
Speaker 7: to the gym, and then I'm driving, and then like
Speaker 7: we've got all these things we're doing. I mean, people
Speaker 7: tell me that when they crossed over, it was just
Speaker 7: like some people even just sort of never really got
Speaker 7: quite over the hump of the other side. They just
Speaker 7: kind of floated around in nothingness, but it was totally
Speaker 7: all good, Like it didn't feel boring or it didn't
Speaker 7: it just felt like bliss, like there's nowhere to be,
Speaker 7: there's nothing to worry about. You're just sort of like
Speaker 7: an ameba that doesn't need to do anything. But most
Speaker 7: people tell me that when they go to the other side,
Speaker 7: there is like a whole It's almost like that movie
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys saw it, Defending Your
Speaker 7: Life with It was Albert Brooks, and it's like there's
Speaker 7: like a council. It's like they're alien. I don't know
Speaker 7: what they are, but it's like being as aliens light beings,
Speaker 7: and they actually have like structured meetings. I don't know
Speaker 7: how it would work, it's like they have. Okay, So
Speaker 7: I just interviewed this woman today who was in a rock.
Speaker 7: She was working in a rock and she was blown
Speaker 7: up in a roadside bomb, and she said she didn't
Speaker 7: even feel she heard it. She heard the pop and
Speaker 7: she's like, oh shit, bomb's coming, but then she was
Speaker 7: just in another place, so she didn't feel the impact
Speaker 7: even though it blew up her whole convoy.
Speaker 8: Like.
Speaker 7: So she ended up with like, I'm getting chills all
Speaker 7: over my body right now too. So I feel like
Speaker 7: I am I know I'm connecting. That's the That's the
Speaker 7: other thing is I know, and so when she went
Speaker 7: over there, she's like, I'm standing in this sort of
Speaker 7: like a podium and I'm like, there's thousands of beings
Speaker 7: and we're having like a meeting. It's but I knew
Speaker 7: them all. Was like, oh yeah, I remember you guys.
Speaker 7: It's like kind of like and then they actually have
Speaker 7: a meeting about like, okay, so what's going to happen.
Speaker 7: You want to are you gonna stay here or do
Speaker 7: I want to go back and kind of finish out
Speaker 7: what you were doing? And she's like I'd be cool
Speaker 7: here really honestly, but they're like, well, well you know.
Speaker 7: She's like, but I sure, I'll go back. And they said,
Speaker 7: all right, let's choose what injuries you're going to have
Speaker 7: so that because they're each going to inform how you
Speaker 7: go through the rest of your life. So like there
Speaker 7: is some discussion and I don't really although it's all telepathic,
Speaker 7: and she explained it as like impossible to explain because
Speaker 7: she has a book which I have right near me
Speaker 7: and I was reading and it's like the way that
Speaker 7: you're kind of having a communication is that it's all telepathy.
Speaker 7: So she's like, it's more of like an understanding and
Speaker 7: all these downloads, and she's like, and we were laughing
Speaker 7: kind of at the same time, like, oh, should I
Speaker 7: lose a leg? Should I use an ad? Like she
Speaker 7: lost an eye and like or her hand and like
Speaker 7: parts of her body. But she's like, yeah, to this day,
Speaker 7: I don't. I can't move my arm. So but I
Speaker 7: was kind of like, Okay, well, whatever we choose, it's
Speaker 7: going to help me kind of get through life with
Speaker 7: a different under set of tools and understanding. So I
Speaker 7: so here that sometimes you go there to like help
Speaker 7: other souls, like and I don't know how it's structured,
Speaker 7: because I think there's no way we can really understand.
Speaker 7: But again, is this all a hologram? And it's like
Speaker 7: being run by like other souls or aliens. I had
Speaker 7: another guy on the other day that he basically saw that,
Speaker 7: like the universe and the Earth is really just run
Speaker 7: by like other souls. It's like it is other souls.
Speaker 7: It's made up of other souls. And this is the dream.
Speaker 7: So we're project this is like a projector and this
Speaker 7: is all just a movie. It's not actually a place.
Speaker 7: It's like this soul's having a dream. It's so so again,
Speaker 7: I can't even I think we can't really explain it
Speaker 7: because it's nothing that we can understand. And I hear
Speaker 7: all kinds of things like and yes they can when
Speaker 7: people are like, oh, I don't want to bother my
Speaker 7: dad because you know, no, he's up. You're not bothering
Speaker 7: a soul by saying, hey, can you come hang out
Speaker 7: with me? Because they can be with you and your
Speaker 7: brother and your sister, and you're all at the same time,
Speaker 7: like Santa Claus right right, Like I don't know how
Speaker 7: it works. I really can't even begin to fathom. But
Speaker 7: I also know that they're everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 7: We are them, They're us. There is no they. It's
Speaker 7: like you, you and I. All of you people here
Speaker 7: are me and I'm you. We're just split out into
Speaker 7: different bodies so we can like interact with each other.
Speaker 7: Well the one baby, Yeah, what do you think, because
Speaker 7: I'd love to hear you always have really, yeah, I've.
Speaker 4: I've really come around to the idea of everything is
Speaker 4: one that it just makes the most amount of sense.
Speaker 4: And to be honest, in that frame of mentality of
Speaker 4: looking around at the world as if it's all just
Speaker 4: some form of projection of you. It makes things so
Speaker 4: much easier because it brings you closer to the people,
Speaker 4: to literally everybody, you know, Like I can look at
Speaker 4: Sean as if like that's a some some kind of
Speaker 4: version of me, and all almost makes you look like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, just feel like a lot closer to
Speaker 4: them in more sympathetic and empathetic because you're not gonna
Speaker 4: why would you talk shit on yourself. I mean, we
Speaker 4: do it all the time, but nobody says it out
Speaker 4: loud kind of thing. But yeah, I'm I'm. I'm of
Speaker 4: the belief that it's all kind of one thing as
Speaker 4: far as what's going on on the other side. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's so many possibilities, you know, like people that have
Speaker 4: the near death experiences, or people that go through the
Speaker 4: past life progressions, or anybody that's done like a heavy
Speaker 4: dosage of psychedelics. It's like it's too much for our
Speaker 4: minds to even comprehend. But Nicholas, I know you got
Speaker 4: something to say on this, on this topic, sir, I do.
Speaker 10: I just wanted to kind of touch on the whole
Speaker 10: idea of like the kind of life review things that
Speaker 10: that Channon was talking about, and the idea that some
Speaker 10: people have about you know, you've heard of like the
Speaker 10: soul trap idea, right, like, you know, we're just like
Speaker 10: trapped and we're recycling and you know, we don't have
Speaker 10: anywhere to go. I just kind of wanted to make
Speaker 10: the point of why I don't subscribe to that theory,
Speaker 10: because there's so many people that are having those kinds
Speaker 10: of experiences where they're meeting up with their guides or whatnot,
Speaker 10: and they're like planning those kinds of scenarios out and
Speaker 10: coming back. Like if you were in some sort of
Speaker 10: loop trap system, there wouldn't be these teams that are
Speaker 10: just assisting all the time for that kind of soul
Speaker 10: development all the way through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel the same exact way, because it does
Speaker 4: feel like the universe or God or the Source or
Speaker 4: whatever is trying to work with you rather than against you.
Speaker 4: It's not some kind of enemy or anything like that
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like that. It definitely seems almost like a
Speaker 4: like a twin version of you that there's there's you,
Speaker 4: and then there is a mirrored version of you that
Speaker 4: ultimately emphasizes your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions and projects
Speaker 4: it outward for everybody to see and for you specifically
Speaker 4: to see. So, like, you know, the whole idea of
Speaker 4: waking up on the wrong side of the bed and
Speaker 4: bringing that mentality, how does that continue to multiply all
Speaker 4: the way throughout your day?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: It's like I think that that that is a perfect
Speaker 4: example of the universe almost shining a mirror back onto
Speaker 4: you and saying, yes, that's what you are, that's what
Speaker 4: you're experiencing, and that can only work, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: if everything is all just like a mirrored version of
Speaker 4: just itself.
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And I also think like we change form, but
Speaker 7: we don't have to reincarnate, like we don't have to,
Speaker 7: and some people say they never do, and then other
Speaker 7: people are like, I want to try a different thing.
Speaker 7: And also we can reincarnate as ets, like we're not
Speaker 7: the only species here. And some people have said my
Speaker 7: past life was like I literally just dwelled in some
Speaker 7: planet and that was all peace and nothing really happened.
Speaker 7: It was just like what's his name, matteas you guys know,
Speaker 7: thank you, yes, And he talked about that like being
Speaker 7: on planets where sometimes nothing was going on or was
Speaker 7: just like happiness and bliss, or sometimes you're just floating around,
Speaker 7: but you're cool with it. And here we come into
Speaker 7: this world where everything is so dense and we're so
Speaker 7: time oriented. But I don't think we have to be
Speaker 7: doing anything but for But whoever? This counsel like, I
Speaker 7: don't know who these beings are? And also where did
Speaker 7: they come from? Because it's that age old question of Okay,
Speaker 7: where did where did we come from? Okay, well we
Speaker 7: came from whatever the Big Bang theory? But how did
Speaker 7: where did the Big Bang come from? And then like
Speaker 7: where did God come from?
Speaker 4: It's like the whole conversation about you know, the elohem
Speaker 4: essentially like was there some kind of council of beings
Speaker 4: that created this reality in uh kind of sort? And yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, are they
Speaker 4: separate from us? Are we fractures of them or fragments
Speaker 4: of them or whatever? At that point, it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I personally have had an encounter with the
Speaker 4: lo heem before and it was definitely not me, you know,
Speaker 4: like it felt like I don't want to say it
Speaker 4: wasn't me, But in that moment, I knew that there
Speaker 4: was my thoughts and then there was them you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and it felt magical. You know, it's
Speaker 4: really the best word that I can really put on that.
Speaker 4: And so I personally believe that there has to be
Speaker 4: some kind of lohem. Now put whatever you mean on that.
Speaker 4: I mean, we talk about the the Jewish, you know,
Speaker 4: Tora Eloheim, are we talking about the you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Like maybe those people were really just trying
Speaker 4: to pick up on something that they didn't even fully understand.
Speaker 5: Or maybe they did. You know.
Speaker 6: It's hard and just to touch back on what we
Speaker 6: were talking about before, as far as like having to reincarnate,
Speaker 6: maybe maybe that's not even the right way to say it,
Speaker 6: just as you were saying earlier, Shannon, as far as
Speaker 6: oh I have to do a podcast, maybe we get
Speaker 6: to reincarnate, you know what I mean, maybe that's the
Speaker 6: whole thing. Once you get out of this entire existence
Speaker 6: of duality and you go into that oneness, eventually, you
Speaker 6: just you want to reincarnate to have experience, you know,
Speaker 6: because you kind of forget what it's like and it's
Speaker 6: like really like a game, like a ride.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, And then yeah, some people say that they
Speaker 7: choose not to Some people actually say I'm going to reincarnate,
Speaker 7: and then at the last minute they're like, nope, I'm
Speaker 7: not doing it, and I went and going back. Like
Speaker 7: Christian Sundberg, who I've interviewed and met at the Near
Speaker 7: Death Experience conference, he was one of those people that
Speaker 7: like remembers his mother, like choosing a mother and then
Speaker 7: realizing he wasn't ready yet and that's why she lost
Speaker 7: the baby and it wasn't you know. It's sometimes the
Speaker 7: soul is like I just it's not time. I can't
Speaker 7: do this right now. And so he's like, so my
Speaker 7: mother I miscarried or whatever, and he's like, I'm sorry
Speaker 7: I did that to her, but I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 7: And it might have been No, No, it was him
Speaker 7: because he remembers all the pre birth memories as well.
Speaker 7: He's really interesting Christian Sunberg, and he's on a million
Speaker 7: podcasts and really incredible speaker. But I also know that
Speaker 7: a lot of people ask me, does my loved one
Speaker 7: miss me? Like on the other side, and I say,
Speaker 7: you're not gonna like this, but no, they don't miss you.
Speaker 7: But it's because they don't miss you because they're with you,
Speaker 7: like they don't they're close. They're now one with you,
Speaker 7: so it's you. There's no lack of you. You miss
Speaker 7: them because we have physical bodies and now you can't
Speaker 7: touch them, hold them, hug them, but they don't miss
Speaker 7: you because they're one with everything. They are with more
Speaker 7: with you than they've ever been. And also some people
Speaker 7: on the other side say, I'm golfing over here, or
Speaker 7: I'm eating my favorite I'm eating I loved lobster, and
Speaker 7: I'm eating lobster and corn. That's like my favorite dinner,
Speaker 7: and so I'm eating it over here. Literally, they don't
Speaker 7: have a body. But just as we can create our reality,
Speaker 7: they can create their heaven. And that's and and people
Speaker 7: I believe can create their own hell. So they're near
Speaker 7: death experiencers who I'm not saying they didn't but like
Speaker 7: went to hell. I personally don't believe in hell like
Speaker 7: as a place, but it's a form of consciousness to
Speaker 7: me that it's and that we create it by having
Speaker 7: fear around it, thinking we deserve to go there. Religious
Speaker 7: indoctrination saying if you do something bad, you're going to
Speaker 7: burn in hell for the rest of eternity. You might
Speaker 7: go to a place that has you kind of looking
Speaker 7: at some things. But as one of my guests said
Speaker 7: the other day, if God created hell, they're like, he
Speaker 7: wouldn't make you rot down there, rot down there like
Speaker 7: it whatever. But God is perfection. You are We're all perfection,
Speaker 7: but we do bad things in the human form. There's
Speaker 7: the contrast. And that's because in my view, indoctrination, trauma, fear,
Speaker 7: mental illness, like, there are things that we do here.
Speaker 7: It doesn't mean our souls are inherently evil. It just
Speaker 7: means that our souls were plopped into a body that
Speaker 7: had some rough shit happen, and they made poor choices.
Speaker 7: Because we still have free will based on that trauma
Speaker 7: and their own fear, they did things that were very bad,
Speaker 7: but their actual soul. All souls are just one big
Speaker 7: blob of light that just branch off to have different experiences.
Speaker 6: Man, my chance was that Dennis that you're talking about
Speaker 6: that mentioned that. I just listened to that episode and
Speaker 6: it's so funny. Everybody needs to go listen to that
Speaker 6: episode because I just felt like it was very fascinating
Speaker 6: and the way that he looks at things is just
Speaker 6: so I don't know, I feel like it takes the
Speaker 6: pressure off, you know, like you were saying, before you
Speaker 6: end up in some hell that you actually kind of
Speaker 6: created for yourself because that was the state.
Speaker 5: Of mind that you were in or what have you.
Speaker 6: But it's funny because I was listen to that, and
Speaker 6: then I was thinking about Nick and thinking about letting
Speaker 6: him know that you were going to be on tonight,
Speaker 6: and in five minutes he texted me asking me about
Speaker 6: the live tonight, and so it was just like this
Speaker 6: weird thing that happened where it was like maybe we
Speaker 6: are all one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's well, yeah, I had that happen today too,
Speaker 7: where I thought, I'm going to reach out to my
Speaker 7: coworker to ask if for Joshua tree house is open,
Speaker 7: and then she texted me right at that moment, being
Speaker 7: like like literally we texted each other at the exact
Speaker 7: same time about two different things. But I suddenly she
Speaker 7: popped into my mind and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 7: all text hers this thing, but I forgot what I
Speaker 7: was going to say. So if do you have thoughts
Speaker 7: about that as well? Well?
Speaker 4: Just out of curiosity, So you say that you have
Speaker 4: you have sessions with people that's regarding like psychic sessions,
Speaker 4: you mean.
Speaker 7: Mediumship sessions, and so the way it works is I have,
Speaker 7: you know, let's say Nora came to me, so we'd
Speaker 7: be on a zoom call and I do an hour
Speaker 7: reading for people, so we kind of settle in and
Speaker 7: then I well, and I first also I usually do
Speaker 7: like a prayer beforehand and a hole just to kind
Speaker 7: of I meditate beforehand. Today I didn't have time because
Speaker 7: I was jumping from one thing to another. I don't
Speaker 7: know if it's how necessary it is, but it could
Speaker 7: also be jumping from one thing to another that my
Speaker 7: connection isn't as strong. But I usually do a meditation
Speaker 7: for a half an hour, and I ask soul. I
Speaker 7: asked the spirit world to come and to let Nora
Speaker 7: know whatever it is that she most needs to hear. Today.
Speaker 7: I ask that my own ego, my own self, doubt,
Speaker 7: my own fear, my own my own judgments be gone.
Speaker 7: And then I asked them to use me to send
Speaker 7: messages that are in everyone's highest and best good and
Speaker 7: in the best good in the spirit world, because I'm
Speaker 7: just a messenger, so I don't sometimes spirit doesn't have
Speaker 7: anything to say in which case, which is rare. But
Speaker 7: there are times where it's like if the p doesn't
Speaker 7: really need a reading spirit isn't going to necessarily like
Speaker 7: slow the stop the presses and like slow their because
Speaker 7: they have to slow their vibration. We have to speed
Speaker 7: our vibration up to meet in the middle. And when
Speaker 7: it's really important, like I like when my friend's grandma
Speaker 7: came through, she was like, please keep tell her this,
Speaker 7: tell her this, teller this, tell her this, And I
Speaker 7: was getting like full body chills and bringing in my ear.
Speaker 7: And then other times people come for curiosity and it
Speaker 7: doesn't mean I can't read them. It just the connection
Speaker 7: isn't always it's usually not as strong as like I
Speaker 7: just lost my spouse and that's like there's a a
Speaker 7: soulmate group on Facebook that I'm recommended in through this
Speaker 7: woman who like stays married to her husband on me
Speaker 7: while he's on the other side, and she teaches people
Speaker 7: to have relationships with their soulmates and so she recommended me.
Speaker 7: So I tend to really do well when somebody has
Speaker 7: lost like a really close loved one because the bond
Speaker 7: is so much stronger. Because when you're intimate with somebody,
Speaker 7: that's a bond, like the only bond stronger is a child.
Speaker 7: You know, child and parent, especially child and mother, but
Speaker 7: obviously father as well. And then the other bond is
Speaker 7: like intimate relationships romantic relationships because you're like sharing souls.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know when you when you have sex
Speaker 7: with someone, your share you're like in their energy in
Speaker 7: a way. So I find it usually pretty like I
Speaker 7: can feel a lot when there's somebody that's that's missing
Speaker 7: their soulmate because they're still so connected. But then sometimes
Speaker 7: people come and they're just curious and I just kind
Speaker 7: of get a few things. But it's not that pow
Speaker 7: mic drop moment, which might have been the case here too,
Speaker 7: which is I'm kind of trying like, hey, if you
Speaker 7: got anything, send it my way. But if someone doesn't
Speaker 7: have like an incredibly strong need for healing today, I
Speaker 7: may miss you know, I may just miss it, or
Speaker 7: I may kind of be trying. Like I can pick
Speaker 7: up like a little thing like growth, stomach cancer, you know,
Speaker 7: but then I can hear. I know. There's an apology,
Speaker 7: but it's a little bit gentle because I think you're
Speaker 7: because Nora, I think you're you know you are, Okay.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to see, Oh yeah, that was No's
Speaker 7: Nora's note in the chat. So it's really interesting that
Speaker 7: Nikki Blair, who I teach with, we teach mediumship, and
Speaker 7: she's an incredible Indigenous medium. She serves the indigenous community.
Speaker 7: She grew up on a reservation herself, and she's incredible,
Speaker 7: and yet she calls me almost every other day. Oh
Speaker 7: I just had one and I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 7: She's like, am I even? And I'm like it happened.
Speaker 7: Like sometimes we are stronger than others. Some I mean,
Speaker 7: I have like we remind ourselves in those times. I say,
Speaker 7: remember the time that you brought through this thing and
Speaker 7: you're like, of course. It's like it's not a perfect science.
Speaker 7: I can't always get that connection. And sometimes she'll pass
Speaker 7: someone on to me and vice versa because she's like, no,
Speaker 7: my energy is just not there today. But other times
Speaker 7: it's like you're on fire and spirits like talking in
Speaker 7: your ear and you can hear it so loudly, but
Speaker 7: it is sometimes a little more subtle.
Speaker 4: Do you ever think that there's like some kind of
Speaker 4: astrological connection there, you know, maybe retrograde or something like that.
Speaker 7: Right now tonight, right, I think it's is it today?
Speaker 7: Who knows? Who's a strology. Oh okay, it's not tonight,
Speaker 7: it's this week.
Speaker 11: It's like a slip right now.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, so it's going to be happening
Speaker 7: the portal. Oh that's it's the Lionsgate portal that's coming up,
Speaker 7: coming up. I wonder because sometimes I'll go through a
Speaker 7: little phase where I'm like, I don't know, I feel
Speaker 7: like I'm not getting Then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 7: have a week where it's like every reading is fire,
Speaker 7: and so I think there probably has to It probably
Speaker 7: does have to do with the energies possibly or human
Speaker 7: resonance or something.
Speaker 11: Yeah, going crazy like last six hours. I think that's
Speaker 11: what I heard.
Speaker 7: What do you know about the Shuman residence.
Speaker 11: Neck.
Speaker 10: Well, I mean it's definitely it seems to proceed, you know,
Speaker 10: big consciousness events.
Speaker 11: For sure.
Speaker 10: I know that there's at least a little bit that
Speaker 10: like that last time it went all crazy, like the
Speaker 10: DNA looking stuff. I don't remember that, but that was
Speaker 10: evidently extraterrestrial vibrationally related from what I understand that one anyway,
Speaker 10: and it's supposed to happen again at some point. So
Speaker 10: if it does do that again, then that's supposed to
Speaker 10: be the the second confirmation that that first one was
Speaker 10: true and that if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: But I wonder if that had anything to do with
Speaker 4: Hulk Hulk Hogan and Ozzy Osmoren and what's his name,
Speaker 4: Malcolm Yeah, from the Cosby show, Dyan Weird how they
Speaker 4: always comes in like three or four.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and Hulk Hogan Ozzy Osbourne is like h h
Speaker 10: o o and like, oh my god.
Speaker 7: I net even put that together, but I thought, why
Speaker 7: everybody at the same the same week?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, I was trying to do a little
Speaker 4: Gematria in my mind, but so g you know what,
Speaker 4: I do have a question though, just out of out
Speaker 4: of curiosity. I don't know if you'd be able to
Speaker 4: answer this, but you know, I've been really trying to
Speaker 4: figure out, uh I'm not going to go specific here,
Speaker 4: but been trying to figure out if some ancient figures
Speaker 4: actually existed or whether they didn't actually exist, And personally,
Speaker 4: I don't know if it really even matters, but I
Speaker 4: think that you might be able to clarify this a
Speaker 4: little bit. So on the other side, whether we're talking
Speaker 4: about Tulpa's or edgregor so thought forms or Edgregor's do
Speaker 4: you think that those eggors, since you have mass consciousness
Speaker 4: almost manifesting it at that point, everybody believing it at
Speaker 4: that point, do you think that they actually do exist
Speaker 4: on that other side? Was that energy created by belief
Speaker 4: in so many people, whether they're praying or talking or whatever,
Speaker 4: do you think that they could possibly exist on the
Speaker 4: other side?
Speaker 7: Like, as, that's interesting, like you create Like do you
Speaker 7: mean like creature like creatures or other beings.
Speaker 4: I'll get specific, I'll fuck it. I'll just go all
Speaker 4: the way. There are some people that there are some
Speaker 4: people that question if Jesus, for example, ever truly existed
Speaker 4: as human in the flesh, or was it some kind
Speaker 4: of mystical story of sorts. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: rough on anybody's feathers. I'm not saying one way or
Speaker 4: I'll say.
Speaker 7: That with respect with all, with respect to I mean, obviously,
Speaker 7: I don't know that you know, I'm no, I can't
Speaker 7: tell you I know all the things. But what has
Speaker 7: resonated for me in a lot of the interviews I've
Speaker 7: done with near death experiencers, I've never personally had encounters
Speaker 7: with Jesus. I pray to Jesus as a guy, as
Speaker 7: like an ascended master. I always say God, Jesus, like
Speaker 7: I believe in I think it was Dennis, wasn't it
Speaker 7: Sean like talked about Christ consciousness. How that is a
Speaker 7: his idea and this I'm open to all of it.
Speaker 7: So I'm not saying Jesus did not exist. I believe
Speaker 7: Jesus was a person, whether or not he was the
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, one of my best friends is
Speaker 7: very Christian. She's like he was the son of God. Literally,
Speaker 7: he was God that decided to like you know, And
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that's not true, because I don't know
Speaker 7: for sure, but what's always made sense to me is
Speaker 7: more like he is a guy. Like he was, he
Speaker 7: did exist, and I think that he was trying to
Speaker 7: spread like Christ consciousness, which is God consciousness. I think
Speaker 7: he knew what was up. I think at least when
Speaker 7: he said I am the son of God, he was right.
Speaker 7: Whether he was like a chosen ascended one, I can't
Speaker 7: tell you, but I what resonates for me more is
Speaker 7: that he was a guy that was really preaching like
Speaker 7: we're all one, We're all God, and like he got it.
Speaker 7: And I know that's not exactly answering your question, but
Speaker 7: it's like, or did we create that with our own
Speaker 7: you know, with our own because this story was fable,
Speaker 7: let's say, was created and then he actually became came
Speaker 7: to exist. So of course that's a really deeply right,
Speaker 7: I guess question.
Speaker 4: The reason I asked that is is because there's been
Speaker 4: a lot of gods that people have believed in and
Speaker 4: they felt like they've been communicating with them, even though
Speaker 4: they were essentially maybe philosophical or spiritual, Like I can't
Speaker 4: imagine personally that there was ever a human dude named Odin,
Speaker 4: you know, but people have connected to Odin, people have
Speaker 4: connected the thor like if you're into the whole Norse
Speaker 4: paganism kind of stuff, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 4: the same thing goes for like Hekata or you know,
Speaker 4: like people like that that maybe they didn't necessarily exist
Speaker 4: as human, but people are still coming in contact with
Speaker 4: these energies and these these things, you know, Like so
Speaker 4: I don't know, That's where I go with it, Like
Speaker 4: would you be able to I mean, are they existing
Speaker 4: on the other side?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Only because I don't have that experience just you know,
Speaker 7: I think I wouldn't know personally, because even if I'm
Speaker 7: connecting with them, I don't think I would know. Or
Speaker 7: I don't personally know, I might doubt myself and be like,
Speaker 7: am I really communicating with that? But I have done
Speaker 7: like spells and things where I call upon those I
Speaker 7: for me personally, it's more of like an energy, like
Speaker 7: Christ consciousness, like you know, odin whatever it's it's yeah,
Speaker 7: like it's a kid. Yes, that's the word. I think that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: Like I do believe in Christ consciousness, and I don't
Speaker 7: I don't claim to know what that is. I know
Speaker 7: that my friend is very adamant that no, he is
Speaker 7: literally God, and I'm like, I'm not happy. I'm just
Speaker 7: saying it doesn't it doesn't necessary resonate with me yet.
Speaker 7: I'm open minded about it. I'm not saying it does
Speaker 7: or it doesn't. I'm just saying I don't know. I'm
Speaker 7: interested in I'm interested in like researching more proof that
Speaker 7: he that He actually exists. And I'm sure there's so
Speaker 7: many ideas. Yeah, but again, I just I think that's
Speaker 7: something that we'll never know until we really get there.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess, let me you know, what. Let me
Speaker 4: give you a more maybe a little bit more contrived example.
Speaker 4: So our boy Marv, who is right behind Sean, he's
Speaker 4: the green octopus alien. We've created him as a tulpa.
Speaker 4: It's essentially that's the reason why I wear this serviator
Speaker 4: necklace that Lord Byron Jester made essentially to you know,
Speaker 4: whenever he was making these necklaces to turn it into
Speaker 4: a servitor, he was like, holy shit, he was already there,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's like, already where you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what That's what I'm like, already, where
Speaker 4: are you?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 4: Already were you know? Like it's just so fun to
Speaker 4: think about. But I don't know. I mean, I believe
Speaker 4: that you can create energies and stuff like that. I
Speaker 4: believe that you can create essentially like these thought forms
Speaker 4: which are turned into tulpa's and if you get enough
Speaker 4: people to believe in it, then they turn into Eggregor's. Right,
Speaker 4: it was the longest time that people didn't you know,
Speaker 4: Santa Claus is relatively new, right, Like, it doesn't go
Speaker 4: back that far depending on what source you get from.
Speaker 4: But whenever you start getting mass scale talking about Santa
Speaker 4: Claus and you're only having little kids believe in it anyway,
Speaker 4: you know, But is even that enough to create that
Speaker 4: energy on the other side to be able to communicate with.
Speaker 7: I'm sure anything's possible. All I know is I don't know,
Speaker 7: And that's why I'm like, hey, I respect all religions
Speaker 7: as long as they are peaceful, loving kind, and hurt nobody.
Speaker 7: I respect and say, hey, I could be wrong all
Speaker 7: life experience personally, like, I haven't had any experiences with
Speaker 7: dark entities. I don't know, so I can't say they
Speaker 7: don't exist. I just have never I just don't know
Speaker 7: that they do. I can only trust what other people
Speaker 7: have had experience with and say it's possible. And also,
Speaker 7: I haven't personally experienced a haunting or something like that.
Speaker 7: I just know that as a medium, I just know
Speaker 7: that I know things, and I just like and we
Speaker 7: all do. We all are mediums, like I'm not. I
Speaker 7: don't have any stronger We're all We're all able to
Speaker 7: connect with the other side. It's just a matter of
Speaker 7: learning the language, practicing it, and being obsessed with it
Speaker 7: enough to be patient enough to learn the language. Unless
Speaker 7: you're someone that was born because a lot of people
Speaker 7: are born seeing and so I think I I was,
Speaker 7: and I just shut it down kind of because I
Speaker 7: remember seeing one spirit when I was a kid, but
Speaker 7: I was like three, so I can't really like, was
Speaker 7: it a dream? Was it really? I remember seeing a
Speaker 7: man walking down my driveway with a top hat and
Speaker 7: I was crying and calling him no Man, and my
Speaker 7: dad was just so creepy, and my dad would say
Speaker 7: I would always cry and like that there was this
Speaker 7: guy called no Man, but I I sort of remember him.
Speaker 7: He was like tall and spindily and had like a
Speaker 7: cane and a top that and like a long coat.
Speaker 7: He looked like the Peanuts guy, like the Peanut gut,
Speaker 7: Like what's the guy? Yeah, like with this monocle or
Speaker 7: what like? He kind of looked like a But I
Speaker 7: don't know. But now because I was three, can I
Speaker 7: I don't know? Was I imagine? I don't know, was I hallucinating?
Speaker 7: Did I really see it? And is it a fake memory?
Speaker 7: I now know that I just kind of shut that
Speaker 7: down because I was so sensitive, and then I just
Speaker 7: basically asked to ope. I was like, I want to
Speaker 7: open it up again.
Speaker 4: Whenever you're getting a reading or you're reading somebody, do
Speaker 4: you ever feel that you connect with possible extraterrestrial entity.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know because I could have
Speaker 7: that thought, but i'd be like, did I make that up?
Speaker 7: I wouldn't have the validation. So, for example, the reason
Speaker 7: I like doing Mediumship is there's immediate validation. So like
Speaker 7: if I say to you and in fact I had
Speaker 7: I kept having this image in my mind and maybe nothing.
Speaker 7: But you know how, we did play this game last
Speaker 7: time where I'm like, what's the first slow Shannon adhd
Speaker 7: brain I kept seeing as we were talking because I'm
Speaker 7: still trying to pick stuff up. I'm like, is there
Speaker 7: something that somebody has about a cheeseburger that's like a joke.
Speaker 7: So I don't know if it's McDonald specifically, but it's
Speaker 7: like someone that would have loved cheeseburgers, or it's like
Speaker 7: a nickname, or there's something funny about cheeseburgers. Now, no
Speaker 7: one can take that. I may have just invented it,
Speaker 7: but I kept seeing a cheeseburger in the back of
Speaker 7: my mind. So if I say to my sitter, there's
Speaker 7: someone here that's talking about cheeseburgers, and they're like, oh
Speaker 7: my god, that's my grandpa, Like he loved cheeseburgers, and
Speaker 7: that was like our big joke. Then I know, Okay,
Speaker 7: I'm right. If someone's like, if I'm like seeing an
Speaker 7: alien in my mind's eye and I hear some name Alithius,
Speaker 7: like I'd be like, I have no idea if I
Speaker 7: made that up. I have no idea unless I was
Speaker 7: like had a vivid experience, like I was sleeping and
Speaker 7: had like a very vivid experience. All I know is
Speaker 7: I've done enough readings to know that. There have been
Speaker 7: so many times where I'm like, there's no possible way
Speaker 7: I could have made that up. There's no possible way
Speaker 7: I could have known that. And so I just want
Speaker 7: to tell you. I have a friend on the other
Speaker 7: side and our thing. I don't even know why, but
Speaker 7: it's rubber duckies because it's a joke between him and
Speaker 7: one of our mutual friends, and she put rubber Duckies
Speaker 7: on her album in his honor. So I don't even
Speaker 7: know where it started from, but that's become the universal
Speaker 7: Derek sign, is showing us rubber duckies. So a couple
Speaker 7: of weeks ago, I'm like, hey, Derek, can you show
Speaker 7: me a sign that you're here, and I look in
Speaker 7: back of me and there's a truck in back of
Speaker 7: me that has rubber duckies lined up all along like instantly.
Speaker 7: Right in that moment, I'm like, thank you. And then
Speaker 7: I got home and someone said, Hey, I've got this
Speaker 7: little animated film that I want to do and wonder
Speaker 7: if you could voice one of the characters. So I'm
Speaker 7: reading the script and my character says to the other character, Hey,
Speaker 7: what do you We're in a cessna and I'm like,
Speaker 7: what are you doing? And the other characters like, I'm
Speaker 7: just lining up these ducks, like she's lined up ducks
Speaker 7: on the wit as she's talking, and I like that
Speaker 7: was the action, Like that is wild. And then I'm
Speaker 7: getting chills right now about it. And then I was
Speaker 7: on a podcast a couple of weeks ago. I would
Speaker 7: drop the name, but I cannot remember it right now.
Speaker 7: And I was teaching. I was doing the exercise they
Speaker 7: did with you guys where I said to them, all right,
Speaker 7: and I want to do it with you guys too,
Speaker 7: So I said to them, all right, for example, what's
Speaker 7: the first thing that comes to your mind right now?
Speaker 7: Just any literally, don't even think in she goes, uh,
Speaker 7: yellow rubber ducky and I was like, you just did it.
Speaker 7: That's a sign from my friend Derek. Like it's that simple.
Speaker 7: It's like if I say, Sean, what's the first thing
Speaker 7: that comes to your mind right now?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 5: Water?
Speaker 7: Okay, let's just that's fine, Jonathan, Yeah, like an image.
Speaker 7: Well we'll go back to it. Yeah. So like Jonathan,
Speaker 7: just like, let something drop in and don't even overthink it.
Speaker 7: Just what's the first thing that comes into your mind?
Speaker 4: Red truck?
Speaker 7: Okay, that's perfect. Now I don't know exactly what that is,
Speaker 7: but possibly there is a spirit on the other side
Speaker 7: who drives a red truck. And we won't try to
Speaker 7: make it fit if it doesn't. But literally, that's how
Speaker 7: I see it. It's like, Nick, what's the first thing
Speaker 7: that comes into your mind right now?
Speaker 11: Well, after those two it was a fire truck.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, so yeah, well I'm like maybe. So so
Speaker 7: let's just say that you're sitting with someone and you're like, okay,
Speaker 7: so I'm feeling into this. I'm seeing a fire truck,
Speaker 7: all right? Is there someone that's a firefighter? It's so simple,
Speaker 7: it's like, not perfect, I'll get chills if I'm right,
Speaker 7: I'll get chills if the person if I'm on the
Speaker 7: right track. But it's that simple. It's literally just like, Okay,
Speaker 7: I see a worm, Like you know, you don't even
Speaker 7: realize what's going on in the back of your mind.
Speaker 7: So sometimes it's just a matter of sitting with it.
Speaker 7: I'm just being like, why am I seeing like an earthworm?
Speaker 7: Or like that worm from like the Richard Scary books.
Speaker 7: It was like, you know, the little lowly worm or whatever.
Speaker 7: Or I'll hear a name, Chloe. Just things like that
Speaker 7: just passed through our brains and we don't even know.
Speaker 7: We don't even Sometimes it's your thought. Sometimes it's spirits thought.
Speaker 7: And the job of a medium is to deter is
Speaker 7: to like which is my thought and which is is that?
Speaker 7: But you get that it's I mean it takes years,
Speaker 7: and I mean for me anyway, it took years and
Speaker 7: years of doing it consistently where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: now I know what, yes, when I get it right,
Speaker 7: what that felt like when I was wrong? Now that
Speaker 7: I think about it, it wasn't feeling it as much as
Speaker 7: I was thinking it. It's such a subtle difference. So
Speaker 7: and again then there also has to be the energy
Speaker 7: of the person and then the energy of the person
Speaker 7: on the other side, and you're all playing a game
Speaker 7: of charades. So it's like a lot of times, I'm
Speaker 7: really good at names most of the time, but not always.
Speaker 7: Sometimes they are like names don't matter to us, Like
Speaker 7: we don't. That's not what's important. What's important is the
Speaker 7: love we felt. What's important is you know, I gave
Speaker 7: my son, like when I passed, I gave them like
Speaker 7: it wasn't something material, it was like a handful of
Speaker 7: change that belonged to me that was always in my
Speaker 7: pocket or something, or like like there'd be like a
Speaker 7: grandfather that's like always had change in his pocket, and
Speaker 7: that's like the gift. And how do I know that
Speaker 7: Because I just see it. I see change. I just
Speaker 7: see change in my hand and then I feel into
Speaker 7: it and I say, what about the change you gave it? Okay,
Speaker 7: it's like a gift. It's so subtle, and like I said,
Speaker 7: sometimes it's stronger than others. And sometimes it's when I'm
Speaker 7: not even trying right, And sometimes I'm trying and nothing's happening,
Speaker 7: so I get like I said with Nora, I'm not
Speaker 7: sure it was the strongest connection, but there were things
Speaker 7: there that I'm like, I can feel someone's there, and
Speaker 7: I know they're there, so I'm sure I'm connected. I
Speaker 7: just don't know if I'm interpreting this correctly.
Speaker 6: So it sounds like it would be I'm sorry to
Speaker 6: cut you off this. It sounds like it would be
Speaker 6: really hard to try not to overthink it, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, instead of using a visual cue, you know,
Speaker 6: because you saw something and then you say it. It's
Speaker 6: like just just the thing that just hits your brain instantly,
Speaker 6: instead of trying to overthink it.
Speaker 5: And change it, like I did, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, it's the overthinking that gets in your way.
Speaker 7: I feel like it is at least explaining No, that's
Speaker 7: exactly what it is. It's and that's why sometimes you
Speaker 7: just have to throw yourself into it. So I'm not
Speaker 7: sure if I said this on the last one, but
Speaker 7: I did a group reading in person and that went
Speaker 7: really well, and I had never done one before, and
Speaker 7: I was nervous because I'm like, what if I get
Speaker 7: up there and nothing happens. And I got there and
Speaker 7: as soon as I walked through the door, I felt
Speaker 7: spirit and I'm like, okay, you're here. But then the
Speaker 7: first thing I saw was a pig, and I'm like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, what what if I don't want to
Speaker 7: say a pig and be wrong?
Speaker 5: What if it's yeah?
Speaker 7: And then I just got up and I said, I
Speaker 7: there's a pig here, and I'm seeing the pig sleeping
Speaker 7: in a dog bed, and the woman in front of
Speaker 7: me said, yeah, that's my pig, Daisy, and she always
Speaker 7: used to sleep in the dog bed. And I was
Speaker 7: like seeing her running around with the dogs like she
Speaker 7: thinks she's a dog, and she's like, yeah, that I was.
Speaker 7: I had to trust that because I'm like, there's no way.
Speaker 6: Thought that and said I don't want to say pig.
Speaker 6: Then you would have missed out on that entire connection. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's sometimes you just got to say the
Speaker 7: weird thing and just and know that it's not about you,
Speaker 7: it's not about me being wrong. I'm like, so what
Speaker 7: if you're wrong? It's like who cares? You know, I mean,
Speaker 7: it's obviously if it's a professional reading and I'm wrong,
Speaker 7: the whole time, I'm going to be like, hey, I'm
Speaker 7: giving you a refund. It's like the worst thing that
Speaker 7: can happen is it's just not a go that day.
Speaker 7: But I've heard some of the best mediums in the
Speaker 7: world say sometimes I have to refund people. It's just
Speaker 7: I don't have control over it.
Speaker 5: Right. Oh yeah, I mean do it very gracefully.
Speaker 6: I just want to let you know that, like you
Speaker 6: were just on top of it, you know, not giving
Speaker 6: in to any kind of pressure or I'm not finding
Speaker 6: the connection.
Speaker 5: You were just kind of real, real cool about it.
Speaker 7: I just trust that spirit brings what needs to be.
Speaker 7: If there's something so important that has to be said,
Speaker 7: it will get through. It'll it'll get through. And in
Speaker 7: the most wild ways, I don't know. I don't want
Speaker 7: to take up all the time, but there's yeah, tell
Speaker 7: me how much time we have.
Speaker 4: Oh we have as much time or as little time
Speaker 4: as you need. But now I was just gonna say, yes,
Speaker 4: sometimes it just doesn't really pan out that way. And
Speaker 4: it's strange too, And that's why you know, I've I've
Speaker 4: really been starting to look into astrology a little bit
Speaker 4: more nowadays because I feel like I'm doing everything that
Speaker 4: I should be doing for the most part, you know,
Speaker 4: working out and eating healthy and maintaining my level of
Speaker 4: stress and making sure I meditate somewhat frequently, and you know,
Speaker 4: being thoughtful with a lot of the actions that I do.
Speaker 4: And yet still, for some reason or another, you feel
Speaker 4: different from day to day and you're like, man, I'm
Speaker 4: doing everything that I need to do. What is different
Speaker 4: from today than yesterday? Because it's it feels like a
Speaker 4: carbon copy of yesterday, except for today, I'm not connected
Speaker 4: and yesterday I was super connected. And to be honest,
Speaker 4: I've been feeling this way this entire day today, So
Speaker 4: I'm not even really shocked at you're kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: going through what you're going to going through. But I
Speaker 4: felt this way early literally, So on my other show
Speaker 4: on the on the Cult of Conspiracy, we do, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes we have guests and sometimes if we're don't want
Speaker 4: to show, Jacob will kind of take lead on that show,
Speaker 4: or I'll take lead on a specific show. And I
Speaker 4: did a show earlier and I was like, damn, Jake,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, bro, I fucked that one all the way up,
Speaker 4: Like there is I was just bad, And he goes,
Speaker 4: I thought you did all right? You know it wasn't.
Speaker 4: But internally, I'm like, my God, I'm just dropping the
Speaker 4: ball big time on this one. And I've done thousands
Speaker 4: of shows. There's no reason for me to have like
Speaker 4: I mean, everybody has a bad day, but I just
Speaker 4: wonder if today, I mean July twenty eighth and some Monday,
Speaker 4: we're not usually used to shooting on a Monday night.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's it's strange how astrologically. Maybe it
Speaker 4: lines up. Maybe it's a Shuman resonance thing. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but there's.
Speaker 7: So many factors. And when you're a woman, you're like,
Speaker 7: is it is it hormones or like is it that
Speaker 7: like half the time we're like, I feel great and
Speaker 7: the rest of the time we feel like shit. And
Speaker 7: it's like, is this hormones or is this the Shuman
Speaker 7: residence or the moon? And I think there's so many
Speaker 7: different factors, or like how much water you drink, or
Speaker 7: like how much circadian sleep you got. But that's the thing.
Speaker 7: Our energies are always changing, and sometimes it lines right
Speaker 7: up and sometimes it doesn't. But what I have learned
Speaker 7: is usually it doesn't matter, like what my vibration is.
Speaker 7: If it's important, Spirit will make sure I say it.
Speaker 7: So I've had a reading where I was like, I
Speaker 7: have COVID and I do not feel good and this
Speaker 7: is gonna suck. And then it was like nope, it
Speaker 7: was all It was like fire because it was a need,
Speaker 7: it was important, and I have this really cool experience
Speaker 7: where talking about a need, I one day was decided
Speaker 7: out of the blue. I'm like, I have to have
Speaker 7: a led Zeppelin T shirt, Like it's one of my
Speaker 7: favorite bands. Why have I never ever bought a T shirt?
Speaker 7: And so I spent a while looking for one. I'm like, no,
Speaker 7: these are like not cool, these are dorky, like Target
Speaker 7: brand ones, and so then I didn't. I went to
Speaker 7: the airport the next day and I noticed a woman
Speaker 7: wearing a leads Upland T shirt and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 7: that's such a funny coincidence. I'm like, oh wow. And
Speaker 7: then I got on the plane and the woman with
Speaker 7: the lads Upland T shirt sat next to me, and
Speaker 7: then her husband sat next to me, and then her
Speaker 7: daughter in law sat next to me, and her son
Speaker 7: sat next to me, and I was like, Oh, that's
Speaker 7: so funny, and so I started talking to her. I
Speaker 7: was like, am I literally almost got a T shirt
Speaker 7: last night? And then for some reason, I just turned
Speaker 7: to the girl next to me, and I don't know
Speaker 7: why I said it, but it was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 7: because I'm a medium. I don't know why I even
Speaker 7: just blurted that out, but I mentioned that I was
Speaker 7: a medium to her within two seconds, and she's like,
Speaker 7: oh wow, that's wild because she's like when she's like
Speaker 7: twenty four at the time. She goes, yeah, my mom
Speaker 7: just passed pretty recently, and I was like thinking, in
Speaker 7: my head, I want to give her reading, but I
Speaker 7: don't what if what if I can't do it? You know,
Speaker 7: I don't I'm not prepared, Like I don't know. If
Speaker 7: I don't want to tell her, I'm going to do
Speaker 7: it and then suck and like make it worse for her.
Speaker 7: So I was like, I said, you know, when do
Speaker 7: we get back, like we both land where we need
Speaker 7: to go, Like let's get on zoom someday. I'd love
Speaker 7: to because she's so young, Like I'd love to do
Speaker 7: a reading for you. I just but then I just
Speaker 7: said spirit, like just tell me something, like tell me something,
Speaker 7: and I said, well, look, did I go was her
Speaker 7: name Marie? She's like that was her middle name. I'm
Speaker 7: like all right, I mean, so that's a lot of
Speaker 7: people's middle names. So and then I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 7: I said, did somebody just have spine surgery? She goes, yeah,
Speaker 7: my father in law sitting next to you. It's like oh,
Speaker 7: and I go, who's Steven. She goes, he is like,
Speaker 7: Steven has spine surgery. And I'm like, oh okay. And
Speaker 7: then I said, your mom died of cancer. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: so do lots of people. There's like a Yorki in
Speaker 7: her lap when she dies. She's like yes, She's like
Speaker 7: I have the Yorky now. And then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 7: her mom planned this whole thing out, like where we
Speaker 7: were seated, the blood Zeppelin thing. And then I said,
Speaker 7: I'm seeing like who's traveling back and forth? I'm seeing
Speaker 7: like little pins on a map, you know, like those
Speaker 7: red pins. Like my mom. She was always traveling. She's
Speaker 7: a flight attendant. I was like, okay, so here we
Speaker 7: are on a plane and I'm like and I said,
Speaker 7: who's elm Elmer And she's like, oh no. I said, like,
Speaker 7: why is she talking about Palm Springs? And she's like
Speaker 7: because we used to meet up there. When she'd be
Speaker 7: like on a layover or whatever. And then I said,
Speaker 7: who's Elmer. She's like, that's the restaurant we would eat
Speaker 7: at when I went there. I was like, no, that's crazy.
Speaker 7: I was like, So then this woman, this went on
Speaker 7: for like hours. The woman I could almost like hear
Speaker 7: her voice. I said, she's talking about cigarette she smoked.
Speaker 7: And I said, I am asking her what cigarettes did
Speaker 7: you smoke? And she said golden, golden, and she said
Speaker 7: she smarked Marlboro gold. I was like, I didn't even
Speaker 7: know that was a thing. I didn't know that. And
Speaker 7: then I said, you're gonna have two kids, girls, and
Speaker 7: you're gonna name one of them Savannah. And she goes,
Speaker 7: look at my phone, Shannon I wrote down, and she
Speaker 7: woke her husband. Her husband up, she's like, girl's name Savannah.
Speaker 7: So I said, she's like, Savannah Grace. That's the name
Speaker 7: that we were saying we want to name our kid.
Speaker 7: So at this point, I'm just wondering how come I'm
Speaker 7: just on this plane minding my own business and this
Speaker 7: woman's giving me validation, like like there's no possible way,
Speaker 7: There's no way. And then even after I got off
Speaker 7: the plane, and the more happened but it's like a long,
Speaker 7: long thing. The next day, I said, hey to the spirit,
Speaker 7: anything else you want me to tell Maddie because we
Speaker 7: had each other's number by now, And she's like a
Speaker 7: koala stuffed animal.
Speaker 12: And I.
Speaker 7: Said, did you go to Australia. She's like, my mom did,
Speaker 7: but I didn't get a stuffed Like I didn't get
Speaker 7: a stuffed koala. I'm like, okay, showing me like herself
Speaker 7: with a koala. So she sends me a picture of
Speaker 7: her mom holding a koala in Australia, and I thought
Speaker 7: that was pretty cool. I'm like, I guess that's what
Speaker 7: it is. And then like two hours later she wrote,
Speaker 7: holy fucking shit, Shannon. She's like, I was just cleaning
Speaker 7: my house. I found a stuffed koala and I remember
Speaker 7: she did give me that, So it's like I'm getting
Speaker 7: full body chills again. So like that kind of thing
Speaker 7: is like whenever I'm like, I guess I'm not that
Speaker 7: good at that. Like it just you have to know,
Speaker 7: it's like some things have to come together in just
Speaker 7: the perfect way.
Speaker 4: You're almost just a conduit for that.
Speaker 7: Most of the time I can do, you know, when
Speaker 7: we when I do a reading, it's we're in like
Speaker 7: when we sit down with the intention to do that,
Speaker 7: that's what happens. And sometimes it's like pulling teeth. Sometimes
Speaker 7: you're like, come on.
Speaker 4: Come on, oh, and I can tell you on that too.
Speaker 4: I Mean, there's been times where I've had I've done
Speaker 4: past life regressions and it goes so easy, and it'll
Speaker 4: go it'll go easy with people who I think will
Speaker 4: probably have a difficult time with it, and then there
Speaker 4: will be some other people and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: this one, this one will be easy, and then it
Speaker 4: doesn't work, and not everybody's kind of like ready for
Speaker 4: you know, stuff like that, or maybe they're closed off
Speaker 4: to it. They don't want to surrender to it. They
Speaker 4: don't they don't like not having any kind of control
Speaker 4: whenever they go into a hypnosis or deep meditation or anything.
Speaker 4: U And I've always felt like the timing has to
Speaker 4: be right for that person. It's it has nothing to
Speaker 4: do with me.
Speaker 7: You know, you're the facilitator, that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Nicholas, what are your thoughts there?
Speaker 10: Question for Shannon, does like the signals and feelings and
Speaker 10: things that happen. Does yawning mean anything to you? Whenever
Speaker 10: it comes to signals.
Speaker 7: Not for me personally, but like, do you mean as
Speaker 7: far as like a sign that spirits with you for
Speaker 7: me personally? No, but is that something that you feel?
Speaker 11: Yes, for sure, just curious.
Speaker 7: Some people have different nervous systems, like for example, I
Speaker 7: mean some people we all do. I feel tingles only
Speaker 7: on my right side. I don't know why that is.
Speaker 7: Other people might feel it on their left side. And
Speaker 7: I've had other mediums say I feel it only on
Speaker 7: my right side too, Like right now, I'm feeling like
Speaker 7: I know their spirit with us because we talk about
Speaker 7: them and we talk about the they're so excited to
Speaker 7: like that we're getting it and that we're communicating with them.
Speaker 7: And so sometimes I don't know. It's like is it
Speaker 7: a spear guide or is it someone's you know, mom
Speaker 7: or something, And that's I usually just say who is it?
Speaker 7: Like who's there? In this case, it feels more like
Speaker 7: our collective souls kind of hanging around and they're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: you get it, Like I'm so glad that you see us.
Speaker 7: And then when you do see them or see a
Speaker 7: sign from them, it's always good to say thank you,
Speaker 7: I see you, because then they'll just realize that you
Speaker 7: get it, and it'll be easier for them to start
Speaker 7: showing you things knowing that you get their language, and
Speaker 7: then it gets easier and easier. And there's some souls
Speaker 7: like Maddie's mom that are just so easy to connect with,
Speaker 7: and I don't know why they're so good at it,
Speaker 7: but she said she was like that in person. She's
Speaker 7: a really good communicator. She was very high energy. She said.
Speaker 7: She reminds me of you a lot, and so I
Speaker 7: think also it's like our frequency. Like her mom and
Speaker 7: I were just instant best friends from the other side
Speaker 7: because her mom was just like bubbly and love people
Speaker 7: and like talking and love travels. So she was very
Speaker 7: high energy and still is. And I consider her sort
Speaker 7: of one of my unofficial guides like sometimes because I've
Speaker 7: been able to connect with her. Anytime I bring her up,
Speaker 7: she gives me chills. And I've kept in touch with
Speaker 7: her daughter, and it's like my little sister.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: That's like comforting to know that there are people on
Speaker 4: the other side, and it's like, don't even trip you know,
Speaker 4: You're like we're over here, we're watching over you, we're
Speaker 4: with you at every moment, we're with your sister at
Speaker 4: every moment, we're with your kids at every moment. It's
Speaker 4: like it's comforting to know that it's almost like I
Speaker 4: don't know, just everywhere all the time, you know, And
Speaker 4: that's cool because you know, everybody worries about what's going
Speaker 4: to happen as soon as that time comes, and it's
Speaker 4: really like, yo, this is the hard part. It seems
Speaker 4: like this, like this reality is the hard part. So
Speaker 4: we should be celebrating being able to go on the
Speaker 4: other side, whether it is jumping into another cycle of
Speaker 4: reincarnation or just taking some time off and just like
Speaker 4: floating around in the ether or whatever. It's like, it
Speaker 4: seems like a pretty pretty good time on that side.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: Everyone describes it as like perfection. No matter what you
Speaker 7: choose to do, you're cool, You're good, And.
Speaker 4: I like, so I like to imagine that that's what
Speaker 4: we experience whenever we're in some kind of trance state,
Speaker 4: whether no matter what that is. You know, like I
Speaker 4: think that whenever you go into a super deep meditation,
Speaker 4: like man, there's just ultimate peace that you get. And
Speaker 4: we actually just did. We mentioned sad Guru in the
Speaker 4: most recent episode about how he knew that he was
Speaker 4: kind of like like a guru or on his way
Speaker 4: to enlightenment or whatever. Whenever he went into a deep
Speaker 4: meditation and he didn't even know that he was in
Speaker 4: there for for very long. Turns out he was meditating
Speaker 4: for six straight days, and he goes, I knew then
Speaker 4: whenever I came out that all of this is just
Speaker 4: an illusion, and it's given a facade that that it's
Speaker 4: not all together, that it's that it's all segregated and
Speaker 4: disconnected and stuff like that, but it's really all just
Speaker 4: one thing. Because whenever he was that deep in meditation,
Speaker 4: he was able to see that, like it's this is
Speaker 4: all just a dream essentially. Yeah, And I just I
Speaker 4: love that kind of stuff, you know, like whenever you're
Speaker 4: able to just look around and be like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: this could just be this could just be part of
Speaker 4: a dream. It's not even like a real reality. It's
Speaker 4: it makes it more fun in that sense. And if
Speaker 4: you really think about it, like whether you call it
Speaker 4: a dream or a nightmare, I mean that's heaven and hell, right,
Speaker 4: Like call it whatever you want. Almost it's almost the
Speaker 4: same exact thing. But Nora, you have your hand up, dear,
Speaker 4: what are your what's on your mind?
Speaker 8: Dannin? Oh my god, I can't believe it took me
Speaker 8: this long to have this revelation about your reading. First,
Speaker 8: thank you so so much for reading into the the
Speaker 8: people that I've known that have passed on. But there
Speaker 8: is a person, and I cannot believe I forgot about him.
Speaker 7: I can because this happens all the time. That's why
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm not going to freak out about it.
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna wait for the boomerang to come back.
Speaker 8: But other than the name Rick or Dick, everything else
Speaker 8: from the woodworking, the alcohol, that cancer, and the pain
Speaker 8: in the chest that is my granddaddy, my mother's birth father.
Speaker 7: Oh got it? And so yeah, and I don't even
Speaker 7: know if Rick is it was from earlier today. Okay,
Speaker 7: thank you, don't tell me yet, but yes, I do
Speaker 7: want to know, but don't tell me yet. I know
Speaker 7: because I wanted to say like Charles or something like that,
Speaker 7: but I'm not quite sure, so this would be okay
Speaker 7: tem recap for me. Nor Thank you Norah for letting
Speaker 7: me know the what were the things that resonated because
Speaker 7: sometimes if I repeat them it kind of brings him back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the woodworking, alcoholism, the not being as good of
Speaker 8: a father as he could have been to.
Speaker 7: Other to your mother's as you said, your mother, yes, ma'am. Okay, okay, good, good,
Speaker 7: good good, thank you. It's called psychic gamnesia, and it's
Speaker 7: totally normal. It happens in every reading. I always get
Speaker 7: emails like the next day being like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 7: I just realized this. So that's why I've learned not
Speaker 7: to panic, because I'm like, okay, we're on the show,
Speaker 7: and you know, like I wanted to resonate, but it's
Speaker 7: not about me. It's about the message getting through the
Speaker 7: way it's meant to get through. And so that would
Speaker 7: make sense that he was apologizing to your mother about
Speaker 7: not really being was he sort of in and out
Speaker 7: throughout her life and not like consistent, because it seems
Speaker 7: like he was there sometimes and not other times. And
Speaker 7: it felt to me like when I was seeing and
Speaker 7: I don't know if he drank Miller like, but that
Speaker 7: was like I kept seeing him with like a gold
Speaker 7: can of beer and it at a lot of times.
Speaker 7: The disappearing had to do with that, but also it
Speaker 7: was sort of like escaping from I mean escaping from
Speaker 7: everything from like his responsibility. But it just felt like
Speaker 7: did he start another family or something?
Speaker 8: Yes, and kinda I'm not sure of the kind of
Speaker 8: alcohol he was into, but yes, he was very much
Speaker 8: in and out of my mother's life because of the alcoholism.
Speaker 7: Sorry, was there someone named Danny? Okay, keep it in
Speaker 7: mind just in case. I just I spit it out
Speaker 7: because sometimes things just like suddenly come and I didn't
Speaker 7: want to overlook it. And and I don't know that
Speaker 7: cheeseburgers have to do with him, but I'm just running
Speaker 7: that by you again. Again, That's something I could have
Speaker 7: totally made up in my mind, but I just wanted
Speaker 7: to see about that. But that made sense as long
Speaker 7: as those things match, I think that's why he's And
Speaker 7: there's something about his wedding ring he just showed me,
Speaker 7: So what is it. It just looks like a like
Speaker 7: a plain gold band and that I have the feeling of,
Speaker 7: like obviously when someone passes people inherit this ring? But
Speaker 7: did someone put it on a chain. And there's something
Speaker 7: about his wedding ring that feels important? Do you know
Speaker 7: what that would be like someone did someone?
Speaker 12: Oh, go ahead, Perhaps it's not a ring, but one
Speaker 12: of the things that my mother kept and they rekindled
Speaker 12: their relationship goods.
Speaker 8: And the way that he passed was also cancer. He
Speaker 8: had a coughing fit. He said that he had a
Speaker 8: big weight in his chest right before he died. But
Speaker 8: my mom saved his watch that he always wore. That's
Speaker 8: silver and color in my kitchen right now.
Speaker 7: Okay, I wonder if that's what it is like something
Speaker 7: that I don't want to make that one fit, even
Speaker 7: though that's great. I think it's also like, see if
Speaker 7: something comes up about his actual wedding ring, it may
Speaker 7: be that your mom has it it, maybe that someone
Speaker 7: put it on a chain or something. Was he married
Speaker 7: and up until the end or not, or did your
Speaker 7: grandma leave him or whatever?
Speaker 8: His second wife I called her my great aunt. But
Speaker 8: his second wife passed a year before he did.
Speaker 7: Okay, And.
Speaker 8: What was it last week or two weeks ago? It
Speaker 8: was the anniversary of his death.
Speaker 7: Oh, I want, I don't know what it'll I think
Speaker 7: it's always I'll tell you. All I see is his
Speaker 7: hand on a wedding ring. And so again, sometimes I
Speaker 7: don't know what that you know, that could be a
Speaker 7: million things, But let me just see if he wants
Speaker 7: to say anything about it. I almost feel just come
Speaker 7: come back if it does come to you, let Jonathan
Speaker 7: or Sean know, because I do feel like it's something
Speaker 7: where I don't think you know it. I think you
Speaker 7: probably just don't know. But it's like he had he's
Speaker 7: either pointing to, like his wedding ring, and I do
Speaker 7: I don't think it's about the marriage, but about the
Speaker 7: ring itself. So I'll just I'm gonna trust myself on
Speaker 7: this one only because I see it pretty clearly. So
Speaker 7: but again, you just might not have that information, and
Speaker 7: your mom might say, oh my god, I actually just
Speaker 7: took his wedding ring out or put it on a
Speaker 7: chain or something of that nature. And then that there's
Speaker 7: also something just I think about the place he was buried.
Speaker 7: But I'm trying to figure out why he's talking about that.
Speaker 7: It's like, was he actually buried as opposed to cremated?
Speaker 7: Do you know.
Speaker 8: Cremated?
Speaker 7: Okay? But was he put in? Was there a headstone anyway?
Speaker 7: Even though it was ashes, there's something about having a headstone,
Speaker 7: and it might be like a family plot kind of
Speaker 7: a situation. It's something about it. It was such a
Speaker 7: little flash and it just saw like a headstone. Uh So,
Speaker 7: was there some like disagreement about whether he was to
Speaker 7: be buried or cremated? Do you know?
Speaker 8: No, he wanted to be cremated. He actually didn't care
Speaker 8: either way.
Speaker 7: But he was cremated.
Speaker 8: Half of his ashes were spread on some kind of
Speaker 8: like somewhere in the Atlantic, some kind of Yeah, but
Speaker 8: the other half of his ashes are actually in a.
Speaker 7: Urn an living room right now. Okay, I don't know
Speaker 7: what this is, but there's something about like a family
Speaker 7: like I'm buried and I can't I can't quite tell
Speaker 7: what it is. It's something there is some kind of
Speaker 7: a headstone that feels important like I have to let
Speaker 7: me know what it is. But also did he do
Speaker 7: was he in the military at any point?
Speaker 8: Yes, ma'am, okay, because I just saw that.
Speaker 7: I just saw like the American flag be and I
Speaker 7: don't know did he literally have a military funeral because
Speaker 7: I just saw like the flag being placed over because
Speaker 7: it feels like there's a military cemetery or something. So
Speaker 7: even if his ashes aren't in it, there might still
Speaker 7: be like a little headstone. It's white like it almost
Speaker 7: looks like so I don't know if that's him, but
Speaker 7: I just he just said, like, I'm in the military,
Speaker 7: and so I didn't know if that had to do
Speaker 7: with for piecing those things together, like the headstone, the military.
Speaker 7: It just for some reason he meant so he showed
Speaker 7: just if any of those things come together, the wedding ring,
Speaker 7: it's like a white headstone, but he's saying, I'm not
Speaker 7: buried with like my ashes are here and like, but
Speaker 7: there's still a headstone in my that has my name
Speaker 7: on it? Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 12: Not?
Speaker 9: Okay, go the headstone that couldn't lead to my other
Speaker 9: grandfather could as well. Okay, yeah, my granddaddy's funeral, it's
Speaker 9: celebrational life.
Speaker 8: He had an American flag semi draped over one side
Speaker 8: of his coffin.
Speaker 7: That's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing that American flag, which
Speaker 7: is like how I knew that he was military, just
Speaker 7: because he showed me that draped over And then I
Speaker 7: just wanted to know, though, is there like a dog
Speaker 7: named Charlie on the other is there someone named Charlie?
Speaker 7: And if it isn't it's a dog named Charlie? Do
Speaker 7: you have a dog?
Speaker 8: They at some point had a dog I'm not sure
Speaker 8: about an aingo.
Speaker 7: Okay, I've had this feeling like he's with a dog
Speaker 7: on the other side because I'm hearing Charlie, So you
Speaker 7: might have to. I don't know if your mom's open
Speaker 7: to this kind of stuff, but I definitely heard Charlie
Speaker 7: and I when I leaned into it, I'm like, I
Speaker 7: think it's actually a dog. So just keep that in
Speaker 7: mind as well. Was your there's somebody that has like
Speaker 7: a Mexican or Spanish name, like Alberto or something that
Speaker 7: is that on your side? Uh? Nora, I just thought
Speaker 7: I heard, like Alberto. Anybody have that name? That's a
Speaker 7: really unusual name so that I've never had. It feels
Speaker 7: like it feels like someone speaking Spanish. Do you have
Speaker 7: anyone in your family that's of Spanish descent or Mexican.
Speaker 8: Not of Spanish descent. However, my my family's so complicated.
Speaker 8: My uh uh step grandfather on my mother's side, I
Speaker 8: call him Poppy. He's not of Spanish descent, however, he
Speaker 8: speaks fluent Spanish.
Speaker 7: Oh and he.
Speaker 8: Wanted my mom to call him Poppy like father.
Speaker 7: Oh huh. I don't know what I thought, like I
Speaker 7: heard like Alberto or something. I just I don't know
Speaker 7: if that's it. But again, if anyone remember like thing
Speaker 7: that later, But thank you for letting me know, because
Speaker 7: I'm like, I know there's something here, but sometimes it
Speaker 7: just takes a minute to put the pieces together. And
Speaker 7: it's not your fault. It's also that there's other stuff
Speaker 7: that I'm You know, if I say the name Rick,
Speaker 7: you might be thinking, oh, no, it has to be
Speaker 7: that name, you know, And like, I still feel like
Speaker 7: there's a Rick somewhere in the mix, But I don't know.
Speaker 7: It could be totally unrelated. It could be someone I
Speaker 7: have spirits in my house, Like, it could be totally
Speaker 7: for somebody different. But sometimes when I say things and
Speaker 7: like one of the things doesn't fit, that might fiar
Speaker 7: you off.
Speaker 8: The only Rick that comes to mind is an ex
Speaker 8: of my mother's. She almost married and he took his
Speaker 8: own life several several years ago.
Speaker 7: Okay, that would be for sure, Like I mean, if
Speaker 7: he's on the other side, I just but so did
Speaker 7: this happen like befo, were they still going to get
Speaker 7: married or had they called that off and then he passed?
Speaker 8: They called that off because plot twust. He was also
Speaker 8: an alcoholic and after they broke up, my mom never
Speaker 8: said it in front of me. Yeah, but he used
Speaker 8: to call him Rick the dick.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it was the time.
Speaker 4: Why you just talked about how you had.
Speaker 7: It's Rick the Dick. That's who it was the whole time.
Speaker 7: That's That's the thing too, is like I think because
Speaker 7: we have expectations of who we might hear from sometimes
Speaker 7: and maybe you didn't, but like sometimes we think, oh,
Speaker 7: my Grandma's going to come through. But even if you didn't,
Speaker 7: I just got chills. If you didn't have a personal
Speaker 7: relationship with Rick, your mom did so even and even
Speaker 7: if she hated his guts, right, he's still from a
Speaker 7: soul level, still coming through usually to apologize, you know,
Speaker 7: for for that kind of behavior. But it makes so
Speaker 7: much sense because I keep hearing Rick, Rick and like
Speaker 7: Dick at the same time, so that it would make
Speaker 7: sense that that's just him coming through. Yeah, that that
Speaker 7: makes sense. I mean, there you go. So the pieces
Speaker 7: do come together sometimes it's like a jigsaw. It's like
Speaker 7: it's kind of like it takes a while to kind
Speaker 7: of come together. Usually by the if I had sat
Speaker 7: with you, if we'd just been you and me for
Speaker 7: like a by the end of it, we go, oh
Speaker 7: my god, I figured it all out. All the pieces
Speaker 7: are coming together, and so thank you for speaking up
Speaker 7: because that does I'm like, I know there's a spirit.
Speaker 7: I feel it like I could feel it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you for doing everything that you do. You're
Speaker 8: so sweet to connect to everybody.
Speaker 7: You're so sweet and southern and I just adore you.
Speaker 7: You're like so sweet and yeah, that's that's what it
Speaker 7: would be, would be Rick coming through in one piece,
Speaker 7: like Rick is no longer tortured soul. Rick is on
Speaker 7: the other side. But more importantly, I can't say this
Speaker 7: because I haven't heard him say it directly, but I
Speaker 7: know from experience that he would be apologizing to your
Speaker 7: to you and your any kind of havoc that he caused,
Speaker 7: because that's what spirit.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 7: They always they have their life review and they realize
Speaker 7: like I was just you know, messed up, and I
Speaker 7: didn't want to treat you like that, and I would
Speaker 7: have been I wasn't capable of loving you because I couldn't.
Speaker 7: I couldn't cope with my own stuff.
Speaker 4: I think old Rick that Dick wanted us to take
Speaker 4: the scenic route tonight, which is fine.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 7: That make thank you Nora for that and sharing that
Speaker 7: because I know it's you know, personal stuff, so it
Speaker 7: it means a lot that you were able to share
Speaker 7: your vulnerability publicly, which no one's judging. I just I
Speaker 7: know it's not everybody's comfortable, So thank you for making it.
Speaker 7: That's it. Okay, that makes so much. But you also
Speaker 7: see how it can be. It's not all I see
Speaker 7: is images, right or I like, and sometimes I'll get
Speaker 7: something totally clear, but a lot of times it's just
Speaker 7: let me show you this, let me show you this,
Speaker 7: let me show you this, And so you and me
Speaker 7: and Rick have to come together, and your grandpa and
Speaker 7: your mom's side have to come together to put the
Speaker 7: pieces together. And so it can be like let's play
Speaker 7: a game of charade. Sounds like, looks like, and then
Speaker 7: we forget and then, like I said, every time, someone
Speaker 7: the next day is like I just remembered. So I'm
Speaker 7: glad you said.
Speaker 4: Something that was awesome. That was like a grand finale.
Speaker 7: If anyone stuck around because they're like, this bitch doesn't
Speaker 7: know what she's doing, fraud, but she does know what
Speaker 7: she's doing. Thank you. Oh my god. Yeah, I have
Speaker 7: major chills right now. So I just think Rick, even
Speaker 7: if he was a dick, he now is pure love.
Speaker 7: He even is pure love and sees the air of
Speaker 7: his ways. And just like I still I want to
Speaker 7: know if there's some gold bracelet involved with Rick, like
Speaker 7: a baby brain something about a bracelet or something. Your
Speaker 7: mom might have it, so just you might want to
Speaker 7: if she's okay with talking about this stuff with you,
Speaker 7: you might kind of run some of it by her
Speaker 7: because I feel like there's more. But I think that
Speaker 7: was a good example of how how it can be.
Speaker 7: Kind of it's not a perfect science. It's little snips,
Speaker 7: little dribs and drabs. And I'm like, what'd you say,
Speaker 7: would you like talking to a kid? You know, You're like,
Speaker 7: try to get the Oh yeah, there's no one name
Speaker 7: Chloe though, right, that's that's something I might have made
Speaker 7: up earlier.
Speaker 4: No, ma'am, I mean we might need two more hours
Speaker 4: to get to that one. But I know, man, this
Speaker 4: is so awesome and and look, I loved seeing it
Speaker 4: like all you know unfold, but it.
Speaker 7: Is fun for me. It's fun for me too, So
Speaker 7: in a way, sometimes you just got to have patience.
Speaker 7: I've learned to be like, Nope, I know I'm getting it.
Speaker 7: I know I'm getting it. Don't doubt it even if
Speaker 7: they say no, just keep going, like, don't client just
Speaker 7: reached out to me last week the whole She's like,
Speaker 7: but but he's not saying what I want him to say.
Speaker 7: And I was like, I don't know what. He's showing
Speaker 7: me a dragonfly? Well, yes, that was very important to him,
Speaker 7: but what does he want to say, But what does
Speaker 7: that mean? Yeah, and I'm like, he wants you to
Speaker 7: know he's there, he's mentioning dragonflies. And she's like that
Speaker 7: was huge. And then two weeks later she's like, I
Speaker 7: have to talk to you right now. I realize some
Speaker 7: old things so and I actually like it when people
Speaker 7: do that. I'm like, please, please, so that I know
Speaker 7: that I was on the right track, right right right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, you know, you don't have to prove anything
Speaker 6: to us, because I mean, I mean, already you.
Speaker 5: Have given me just the most amazing reading.
Speaker 6: That's one of the things I've told Jonathan just recently
Speaker 6: that whenever I think back to that, that's one of
Speaker 6: those mystical type of spiritual experiences that really brings me back.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like, Okay, there's definitely something to that.
Speaker 6: You know, whenever you start to get a little more
Speaker 6: logical leaning, you know, and then you think back to
Speaker 6: something like that, and it's like, there's no way that
Speaker 6: she could have came up with all of those key
Speaker 6: words that just lined up so perfectly with with you know,
Speaker 6: my stepdad.
Speaker 7: And I just he just showed I just saw again
Speaker 7: that scar I told you he had on his stomach
Speaker 7: and like he just showed me his belly with his
Speaker 7: scar down his heat again and I'm like just saying
Speaker 7: he's there again, like shout out Bobby.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he had no no problem showing that off.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. He would just show strangers,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, just like.
Speaker 7: That's why you sing it again, he like lifted it.
Speaker 7: He's like he's like showing me his belly with the
Speaker 7: long scar down. It as like oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 7: yeah that's how I picture.
Speaker 4: I love it, dude. I just love this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: It's just it's you know, what do you do with it?
Speaker 4: You know, how do you compartmentalize it? I don't even
Speaker 4: know if you're supposed to come mart, You're.
Speaker 7: Just supposed to know that there's more and that even
Speaker 7: though I say I don't have all the answers, I
Speaker 7: don't know. Was Jesus a guy? Was he an ascended master?
Speaker 7: Is he got in a human form? I'm open to
Speaker 7: it all. I know anything's possible, but I'm going to
Speaker 7: be a skeptic until I see it for myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Sean, what is that tarot card?
Speaker 11: Sir?
Speaker 6: H Yeah, we got the Nine of Pentacles when we
Speaker 6: were talking about Pentacles earlier.
Speaker 4: Get out of here.
Speaker 7: I have pulled that card like three times for myself
Speaker 7: in the last three days, really right, pulling it over
Speaker 7: and over and over.
Speaker 6: Usually I have to shuffle quite a bit to get
Speaker 6: something to happen, and this one just kind.
Speaker 7: Of popped right out because it was for me, like
Speaker 7: leaped out. Yeah, because I keep pulling it for myself
Speaker 7: this week.
Speaker 4: So the Nine of Pentacles, it says, luxuriate in your prosperity,
Speaker 4: feeling gratitude for all that you've been able to achieve.
Speaker 4: This is our first time ever pulling this card on
Speaker 4: the show. It says the Nine of Pentacles implores you
Speaker 4: to relax and enjoy the comfortable surroundings you've cultivated for yourself.
Speaker 4: A woman stands in her garden, serene and unafraid to
Speaker 4: get her hands dirty despite her lavish flower printed robe,
Speaker 4: which is reminiscent of the robe worn by the Empress.
Speaker 4: She knows how to receive the energies of abundance and
Speaker 4: is equally suited to putting in any work necessary to
Speaker 4: tend to her home on her hands. It's a bird
Speaker 4: wearing a hood, a symbol of her instinct to guard
Speaker 4: against materialism while enjoying prosperity. The upright key meanings of
Speaker 4: it are success and enjoyment, and the spiritual connotation to
Speaker 4: it says you've been putting your energy into making your
Speaker 4: home more personal and comforting by redecorating or renovating, or
Speaker 4: if you've been away from your home, you've spent time
Speaker 4: taking a vacation and relaxing. Focus on what brings you
Speaker 4: the most peace, enjoyment, rejuvenates your spirit.
Speaker 5: Hell, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 7: This is what I love to do, so we're doing it,
Speaker 7: And this is what you guys love to do.
Speaker 4: This is yeah, it's best, Oh dude. It's like you know,
Speaker 4: whenever I whenever I went to Arizona and me and
Speaker 4: Sean picked me up from the airport and I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, dude, Like I for the longest time,
Speaker 4: this song came out, and I just imagined, that's going
Speaker 4: to be my life one day. That's going to be
Speaker 4: my life one day. And it's called it's by the
Speaker 4: Dirty Heads. It's called vacation, and it's like a I'm
Speaker 4: on vacation every single day because I love my occupation.
Speaker 4: And I just I was like, holy shit, that I
Speaker 4: want that to be my life, Like I want to
Speaker 4: enjoy what I do. I want to enjoy waking up
Speaker 4: every day and just like every day is another it's
Speaker 4: just another day with your feet in the sand kind
Speaker 4: of idea.
Speaker 5: That's it, man, So on our way, on the way.
Speaker 7: Dude, I can wait to join you for some of
Speaker 7: the travels. Well about doing an Arizona trip, but it
Speaker 7: should be like fall when it's not so hot.
Speaker 5: Well, it's terrible right now, it's like one hundred and
Speaker 5: ten today.
Speaker 4: Let me tickle your proverbial fancy here, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: say I am. I'm literally as of yesterday, I decided
Speaker 4: that I'm going to be moving to Arizona in the fall.
Speaker 4: So it's funny.
Speaker 7: It psychic information. You're connected, dude, where are you allowed
Speaker 7: to tell us? Yeah, Lake Havasu. Okay, great. I don't
Speaker 7: even know how far lake where Lake Havasu exactly is.
Speaker 4: But it's right on the border of Arizona in California.
Speaker 7: That's what. Yeah, it's pretty clear. Oh perfect, Oh great?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, so I'm going to be moving out there.
Speaker 4: I'm only I'm not going to be living out there
Speaker 4: for the rest of my life, although I.
Speaker 7: Would love to stationing yourself there just.
Speaker 4: For you know, six to nine months or something like that,
Speaker 4: to try and get all my ducks in a row,
Speaker 4: ducks and and yeah, just trying to get it all together.
Speaker 4: And yeah, which I'm really excited about because Sean lives there,
Speaker 4: my parents, actually, my parents live in Lake Havasu. I
Speaker 4: was born in Lake Havasu, and I know that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: i have a big connection to Arizona in general. So
Speaker 4: I'm really excited to move back, even though it's just temporary.
Speaker 7: Where are you?
Speaker 5: Oh, I I'm in Phoenix, That's right.
Speaker 7: I knew that. Yes, Oh great, Okay, I'm excited.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna have to triangulate sometime, but I think
Speaker 4: right now we'll we're going to do is we're going
Speaker 4: to get over to the meditation, then we'll have a
Speaker 4: little conversation afterward. Shannon. For anybody that is not going
Speaker 4: to be joining us on that meditation and they're going
Speaker 4: to be ending the episode here in just a few minutes,
Speaker 4: could you tell them where they can find you?
Speaker 7: Well, thank you for asking. You can find me at
Speaker 7: Magic Isrealservices dot com. You can find the you know,
Speaker 7: I need to organize that website better. Magic is Real.
Speaker 7: The podcast is on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts,
Speaker 7: and so if yeah, just if there's like, uh, it's
Speaker 7: under Magic is Real one one one I think on
Speaker 7: YouTube and I need to merge things with my website.
Speaker 7: So or you can just email me at Magic Isreel
Speaker 7: Shannon at gmail dot com and follow me at Real
Speaker 7: Magic Shannon on Instagram and you can reach me there
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 4: I'm going to need your voice to speak to me
Speaker 4: whenever it's given me directions and I'm going down the
Speaker 4: road because you sound like you have the perfect voice
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 7: I just was shortlisted for a car GPS voice, which
Speaker 7: I hope that's my dream. I'm like, just let me
Speaker 7: be the voice. Turn right.
Speaker 4: I'm always gonna turn right if you tell me to
Speaker 4: turn right? Would that be.
Speaker 7: The voice I know?
Speaker 4: But yeah, yes, all right, Well look the one out there.
Speaker 4: We usually shoot the live shows on Wednesdays, so this
Speaker 4: is I don't know if it's necessarily a one off.
Speaker 4: We'll probably do it again at some point in the future.
Speaker 4: But typically what we do is we shoot the live
Speaker 4: shows on Wednesdays. We call it wonder Wednesday, where we
Speaker 4: get all of the one together to uh have a conversation.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we have great guests, sometimes it's just great topics.
Speaker 4: And as a matter of fact, Sean our boy Nogel
Speaker 4: Perryman just reached out.
Speaker 6: Oh dude, it's been way too long. It has way
Speaker 6: too long, and I'd be really interested to see kind
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Speaker 4: would appreciate all of you guys that have done that
Speaker 4: so far. But I think right now we are going
Speaker 4: to get over to the meditation, and I mean it
Speaker 4: it' psych a Channon.
Speaker 7: If she came here and she's.
Speaker 5: On you anything, it's that you don't know what you
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 4: So I'll just get weird, stay weird.
Speaker 3: Inside your mind. Ordinary because color so stars lie.
Speaker 2: In the mentum mysteries.
Speaker 3: Your fine.
Speaker 4: Man, that was such a good one. I so relaxed,
Speaker 4: you did.
Speaker 7: I don't know why. I just cried. I don't even
Speaker 7: know why. I just think because I never stop. I
Speaker 7: just never stop. And then I'm like, oh, there's some
Speaker 7: sadness there or some relief or something. I don't know.
Speaker 7: It's not bad, it's just like, oh, I think I
Speaker 7: needed to get some tears out.
Speaker 4: You know, I felt pretty similar, to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't feel emotional.
Speaker 7: Let's just say, yeah, did you feel emotional? I felt emotional.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was almost like, I don't know, releasing or yeah,
Speaker 4: it felt motherly to me. Yeah, yeah, in a weird sense.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man. And it's I think. First of all,
Speaker 4: she has a great meditation voice.
Speaker 2: She does.
Speaker 7: That's yeah.
Speaker 4: She was definitely hitting on that. But the tone too,
Speaker 4: was kind of somber but almost comforting at the same time.
Speaker 7: Who is the music? I don't know. I just felt
Speaker 7: like I needed to cry, and I don't even know why.
Speaker 4: Get it out of you.
Speaker 7: You need to know why, No, we just need to
Speaker 7: let it out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let it flow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, Yeah, that was that was that was pretty deep.
Speaker 5: I felt like I needed that before we started recording.
Speaker 5: I'm being honest. Yeah, you know, I today, I.
Speaker 7: Probably would have given a better reading had I had
Speaker 7: I meditated first.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: What's funny actually, because I was listening to your podcast
Speaker 6: and it was I think it was Dennis that was
Speaker 6: talking in this particular one, and it might have been him,
Speaker 6: and he was talking about the looney.
Speaker 7: Tune, not Looney tones, the bugs, bunny bugs.
Speaker 6: Bunny And sometime today, like a little bit before recording,
Speaker 6: randomly I started whistling like the Looney tune song and
Speaker 6: so but it was like something I didn't even think
Speaker 6: about doing it, just it just happened, you know. And
Speaker 6: and then it wasn't until we started recording and that
Speaker 6: I thought about that, and I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 6: that's weird, you know, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 5: That's happened to that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes that kind of thing happens where you're like,
Speaker 7: I know, we just talked about that, but that's not
Speaker 7: what this was. It came in somewhere else kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, super super bad episode was just super fast.
Speaker 7: Were I know it's long, Were you able to finish it?
Speaker 6: No, yeah, I think I believe I finished the whole thing,
Speaker 6: so his experiences, and I think that's my favorite part
Speaker 6: of you know, obviously what you're doing, and kind of
Speaker 6: what we're trying to do too, is is let people
Speaker 6: express their experiences, because I think experience dances are are
Speaker 6: so huge, you know what, I know that we like
Speaker 6: to downplay them as well. Maybe that's my own thoughts,
Speaker 6: or maybe it's it. You know, it's just a dream,
Speaker 6: it's it's nothing but the experiences that people are having.
Speaker 6: I mean Nick Nick having his own experiences all the time.
Speaker 6: It's like that's when I'm fascinated, you know, I'm really
Speaker 6: fascinated with the experiences that people are having because there's something,
Speaker 6: there's a reason, you know, like these things don't happen
Speaker 6: for no reasons.
Speaker 7: Everything is synchronicity. And I want to know everything about
Speaker 7: Nick too at some point. So, but yeah, that's I was.
Speaker 10: I was trying to be a little I guess what
Speaker 10: was what's the word? I didn't know exactly what the
Speaker 10: way and how and who specifically communicate with, so I
Speaker 10: was trying to stay a little I guess objectively vague.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So my stuff.
Speaker 10: I think Jonathan and and Sean were like maybe beating
Speaker 10: around the bush a little when they're asking around about
Speaker 10: the extraterrestrial side.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's so long story short.
Speaker 10: I about three years ago basically like heard my guides
Speaker 10: for the first time, and they have had like a
Speaker 10: pretty much back and forth dialogue like like this for
Speaker 10: about three years whenever I like meditate and stuff, and
Speaker 10: I've documented it at all and on like a telegram
Speaker 10: channel and stuff. But it's got to the point where
Speaker 10: like we can go out and go outside like at
Speaker 10: the ranch or whatever and look up and they'll like.
Speaker 11: Do cool stuff for us in the sky in Texas.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 10: But I've got a bunch of crazy cool videos. And
Speaker 10: then then like you know, I'll talk to them later
Speaker 10: about certain like aspects like and thanking them for it,
Speaker 10: and you know they'll be like, yeah, you know, well
Speaker 10: they'll always come if we're able to, and you know
Speaker 10: that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: I want to know everything. I know. I want us
Speaker 7: to all we all have to get to. We have
Speaker 7: to do a CE five.
Speaker 5: That would be great, Yeah, I want to that would
Speaker 5: be great.
Speaker 4: Under the influence, were above the.
Speaker 11: Influence either way?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Oh my god, that's so cool in California, right, Shannon,
Speaker 7: I'm in l A. I'm in Laurel Canyon though, so
Speaker 7: it's like very spiritual spot of l A.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, it's so gorgeous. You'll see it. It's you got
Speaker 7: to when you'll have to head up to la But
Speaker 7: I'll come visit you and we'll go to Sean. We'll
Speaker 7: head over to Sean. I've never been to like Havasuit,
Speaker 7: but I've heard of it a million times.
Speaker 6: It's a pretty cool little spot. It's just like this
Speaker 6: little oasis, you know, in the middle of the desert.
Speaker 7: Really, I love Arizona.
Speaker 5: It's really cool.
Speaker 4: They have They used to have girls gone wild go
Speaker 4: out there all the time for spring bird.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah makes sense. Yeah, yeah, like boating and stuff
Speaker 7: like I kind of know how I always thought of it.
Speaker 7: I always thought it was like a dude broke place
Speaker 7: to go.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a it's a girl chick place to
Speaker 4: go to. There's a lot of everybody out there. It's
Speaker 4: all it's crazy. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is beautiful though. It's it's got the London
Speaker 4: Bridge over there, and yeah, it's just I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's my favorite place in the whole world.
Speaker 7: Someone invited me there, but it's the guy that he's like,
Speaker 7: I really like spending time with you, and I thought
Speaker 7: it's I'm trying to not be mean, but you know,
Speaker 7: he's just one of those feelings beautiful. He's very negative.
Speaker 7: He's very very very very very very very negative all
Speaker 7: the time. He's like the DeBie. He's a DeBie. He's
Speaker 7: literally I know he struggles with depression and like he
Speaker 7: doesn't get the girl. You know. He's like lanky, tall,
Speaker 7: awkward guy and I've always tried to be nice to
Speaker 7: him because I feel bad for him. But then he
Speaker 7: just kind of like was like I want you to come,
Speaker 7: and I was like, I am not staying in an
Speaker 7: RV with you, like, you know, like he's I'm nice
Speaker 7: to him because I'm like I feel that, you know,
Speaker 7: it's hard. It's hard when you're like this goofy guy
Speaker 7: with mental health issues and he's just trying to every
Speaker 7: time I see him, he's like, well, I'm alive at least,
Speaker 7: Like how you doing well? Didn't kill myself today? And
Speaker 7: You're like, oh gee, you know, and I'm like I
Speaker 7: just have to keep my bed.
Speaker 5: You didn't do that.
Speaker 7: He wanted me to go. He's like, I got like
Speaker 7: this RV or something there, and I like would love
Speaker 7: to for you to come and stay with him. I
Speaker 7: was like, I literally there's no one a less rather
Speaker 7: spend time with. So I just kind of was like, oh, thanks,
Speaker 7: but yeah, So.
Speaker 6: I did actually have one more question for you, and
Speaker 6: it's only because, Okay, so I know that you're not
Speaker 6: somebody that would necessarily require a Wiji board, but real quick,
Speaker 6: what are your thoughts on the Wiji board. I know
Speaker 6: you said that you don't typically see or you do
Speaker 6: not see like dark spirits or anything like that, and
Speaker 6: so what are your thoughts on the Ouiji board.
Speaker 7: I'd love to hear your too, But I think people
Speaker 7: think and I'm I, I don't mess I think I
Speaker 7: just don't mess with it because I don't know. But
Speaker 7: people will say it invites all kinds of dark spirits
Speaker 7: in like as well, and there might be trickster spirits.
Speaker 7: But then again, how do I know I'm not doing
Speaker 7: that too? Like like for some people think tarot cards
Speaker 7: are like, oh, you're just communicating with the devil, but
Speaker 7: you could people also think I'm communicating with the devil.
Speaker 7: And it's not real. So I don't know what the
Speaker 7: I don't think for me, it's not the tool, it's
Speaker 7: the intention.
Speaker 5: What do you think Nick?
Speaker 7: As someone who like basically I would say it's like
Speaker 7: a channeler for lack of a term.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, so with me, So there's people like Bashar, right,
Speaker 10: or like der Alanka. What he's doing is more I
Speaker 10: would say, like traditional channeling.
Speaker 7: Yeah, where you're just communicating.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's that.
Speaker 10: That would be my understanding so far is like it's
Speaker 10: just telepathic. Yeah, it's just like I'm there there. It's
Speaker 10: almost like I'm reading their response to what. Yeah, it's
Speaker 10: like all all what I do is I say it
Speaker 10: all out loud and I record it on my voice
Speaker 10: memo on my phone and then I say our conversation.
Speaker 10: So I'll like I'll ask them something and then I'll
Speaker 10: repeat what they tell me in my head and I'm
Speaker 10: like almost reading their response, but I'm saying it out loud. Yeah,
Speaker 10: So it's like I'm having a two way conversation with myself,
Speaker 10: but not really.
Speaker 7: I guess that is. I mean, if if someone was there,
Speaker 7: you'd be conveying it, right, But like.
Speaker 11: How did it come out of my mouth the whole time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just think like for me, I again, I'm
Speaker 7: not an expert on this, but I do feel like
Speaker 7: if your vibration is high and you intend to connect
Speaker 7: with higher vibrational spirits, you can. But I also know
Speaker 7: that a lot of people are like, oh, the Ouiji
Speaker 7: bord is so dangerous, and I just I don't know
Speaker 7: why it would be as opposed to something else. But
Speaker 7: I'm not going to fuck with it, Like I probably
Speaker 7: wouldn't with it just in case, because I don't know.
Speaker 4: It probably has a lot to do with just the
Speaker 4: weird connotation that's always been surrounded by it, you know,
Speaker 4: and not necessarily.
Speaker 7: That's I don't think like there's a because also it
Speaker 7: was like Hasbro came out with them or it was
Speaker 7: like Fisher Price. But the other thing is I don't
Speaker 7: like things where it requires, you know, like you're supposed
Speaker 7: to rest your hand and nobody's supposed to move right,
Speaker 7: But there's always that subconscious thing that you could be
Speaker 7: subconsciously kind of pushing it. Although I've heard too many
Speaker 7: stories to think that that's that that's the only way
Speaker 7: it works.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like dowsing rods.
Speaker 7: At that point, I have dowsing rods. I kind of
Speaker 7: feel like they're bullshit, but I got them out of curiosity,
Speaker 7: Like I think they can, like at certain places work,
Speaker 7: but I feel like they don't. I try. I just
Speaker 7: wanted to see what they were like, and I felt like,
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't think this is like yes or no.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 7: I feel like it can pick up on like energy
Speaker 7: or like spirit, because it would start to what do
Speaker 7: you I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like my like my energy or intention around
Speaker 4: it almost influences it way more than I want it to.
Speaker 7: I do too. Same with the pendulum. I don't like
Speaker 7: pendulums because I'm like, sometimes I'm like, oh, that really
Speaker 7: is doing its own thing. But I'm like, but is
Speaker 7: that because the earth is spinning or like is it
Speaker 7: a magnetic pull? And sometimes it just doesn't. It's not consistent,
Speaker 7: you know, It's like I think. I don't want to
Speaker 7: say no, it never works, but I also, yeah.
Speaker 4: I like the I think that I don't know, I've
Speaker 4: never really mastered it, but.
Speaker 7: No, I feel like I've got to play with it.
Speaker 7: But I'm like, I don't know, I don't know if
Speaker 7: I really buy this.
Speaker 10: My introduction to dowsing rods came from my stepdad, who's
Speaker 10: the like most you met You met my stepdad, right, Jonathan.
Speaker 10: He's like the most country like you know, good old boy,
Speaker 10: like not into any kind of esoteric anything at all, right,
Speaker 10: and you know, pretty much everything's bullshit for him anyway.
Speaker 10: And he got out, he called him, uh witching sticks
Speaker 10: or something right, water witching and uh he he just
Speaker 10: had two copper rods and we were looking. He told
Speaker 10: me about him, and we went to He was just
Speaker 10: trying to find the water line in the yard, like
Speaker 10: the where the the pipe was, and he was just
Speaker 10: walking around the yard and just trying to find where
Speaker 10: the water line went.
Speaker 11: So that we could dig.
Speaker 10: And he's like walking around, he's and he used to
Speaker 10: go across him when they crossed. You just dig where
Speaker 10: the dig where the where they crossed and the water.
Speaker 11: Line was there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 10: I'm like, I'm like, okay, well, is it like electromagnetic
Speaker 10: or is it just your intention of looking for the
Speaker 10: water line or is there water like actually affecting these
Speaker 10: rods or like what's going on here?
Speaker 11: And I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, the crazy thing about that is though, too, is
Speaker 4: that you know people hadn't always used copper or bronze
Speaker 4: or whatever. Some people legit will get like just a
Speaker 4: like a bent stick legit, and they're they're able to
Speaker 4: do the same exact thing, which makes it even crazier
Speaker 4: at that point, because now in a copper.
Speaker 7: You know, with the water molecules or something. And then
Speaker 7: my friend Lily just she just moved to Sedona. She's
Speaker 7: a ufologist. I don't know if you should have her
Speaker 7: on a cool job Lily Nova. Yeah, I mean, mm.
Speaker 11: Hmmm, yeah, I follow her actually.
Speaker 7: Yeah she uh And I'm bumm because she just moved
Speaker 7: to Sadona right when I left, and I kept being like,
Speaker 7: you gotta move here, you gotta move here, and yeah
Speaker 7: she does. That's I met her because she was on
Speaker 7: my show. We're not like tight, but you know, we
Speaker 7: text sometimes. But she just did a video of her
Speaker 7: holding the dowsing rods in some vortex and they were
Speaker 7: spinning like crazy. So it's not that I don't think
Speaker 7: they're they're obviously responding to energy something. I just don't
Speaker 7: know that you can be like, am I going to
Speaker 7: get mad? I read next year? I just don't think.
Speaker 7: I don't know that that's really what they are good for. Imagine, Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's how it feels. A lot of that stuff I
Speaker 7: take with a big grain of salt and I'll just
Speaker 7: kind of do it for fun. Even Taro, although Taro
Speaker 7: seems to be pretty accurate, and it makes sense that
Speaker 7: spirit could communicate through them, because but when people say
Speaker 7: tarot cards are the devil, I'm like, well, how is
Speaker 7: that different though? From me getting information from a spirit?
Speaker 7: They're just basically saying giving you a sign. It's just
Speaker 7: a sign. Like if I just say sometimes you can
Speaker 7: even do it with a book. You can just be like,
Speaker 7: what do I need to know today? Open to a
Speaker 7: random page. Form follows thought, not thought. Not thought follows form.
Speaker 7: As we've mistakenly taught ourselves, the bills that eat up
Speaker 7: the wealth are actually a manifestation, fulfilling some conscious or
Speaker 7: unconscious beliefs of that person. And I would just go, well,
Speaker 7: that's something I needed to hear today. But you know,
Speaker 7: like something like that could so, But I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know if Luigi board is inherently I don't
Speaker 7: think it's inherently anything. Think it's mainly just.
Speaker 5: It's what you feed into it, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think it's also your higher self kind
Speaker 7: of subconsciously maybe moving it.
Speaker 5: Although there are.
Speaker 7: People that say, I wasn't even looking at it spelled
Speaker 7: something out, and I mean, I'm not saying that is impossible.
Speaker 4: To be fair, I'll say this, I don't know if
Speaker 4: this show would necessarily have ever been made if it
Speaker 4: wasn't for a Wigi board.
Speaker 7: Really, did you have an experience?
Speaker 4: No, my mom and Shawn's mom, they they they dabbled
Speaker 4: into the Wiji board a couple of times together, and
Speaker 4: they told us about it, which kind of opened up
Speaker 4: our curiosity about the a bunch of spiritual things. Like
Speaker 4: my mom was always into like the witchy things, not
Speaker 4: like you know, she never messed around with tarot cards
Speaker 4: or anything like that, but was like always showed something
Speaker 4: like it was. It was just always super cool. And
Speaker 4: so whenever I thought, you know, was seeing her into
Speaker 4: into all that kind of stuff, it, I don't know,
Speaker 4: piqued my curiosity a little bit.
Speaker 7: Your sisters is that what they are?
Speaker 5: No, my mom is actually Jonathan's mom's aunt.
Speaker 4: Oh, but they're very close in age, and so they're
Speaker 4: basically like basically more like sisters.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, that's oh wow, okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah. That being said, I bought a Luigi board and
Speaker 5: it's like one of those old school ones.
Speaker 6: It's like from the seventies, so it might have like
Speaker 6: an echo of some crazy eggreg are already built in.
Speaker 6: So I'm a little nervous. It's still in the car.
Speaker 6: I haven't even brought it in the house yet. That's
Speaker 6: how I'm like, let me talk to Shannon first, figure
Speaker 6: out what the deal is, and then.
Speaker 7: I don't know. My feeling is no object is necessarily
Speaker 7: like dangerous. Yeah, it's just if you use it. Say
Speaker 7: I call upon angels of protection. I say, God, Jesus,
Speaker 7: Angels and you know, and I'll be like, I don't
Speaker 7: even and again Metatron and all that. I don't know
Speaker 7: how we know that they're I just call. I just
Speaker 7: use their names. I'm like Archangel, Medatron, Michael, Raphael, please
Speaker 7: come in and protect us from any energy that would
Speaker 7: wish to confuse us or do us harm. I asked
Speaker 7: that only messages of God's white light come into my space.
Speaker 7: I reject any lower density entities and I raise my
Speaker 7: vibration and I say something really, you know, loving and
Speaker 7: then I'm just like, if there is anyone that can
Speaker 7: can manipulate this, please do. I've also tried like the
Speaker 7: you know, those like apps, which I'm sure you have to,
Speaker 7: and I always feel like I don't know, Like I
Speaker 7: haven't really nothing's really happened on them, like the ghost
Speaker 7: tube or whatever like I would like. And I've heard
Speaker 7: stuff on EVPs. I just don't have an EVP recorder,
Speaker 7: and they're so hard to hear that I just don't know.
Speaker 7: I even bought. I even made myself. I have it.
Speaker 7: I'm one of those what you call it the radio
Speaker 7: ones that you hook up like a pedal too, and
Speaker 7: I made myself a spirit box.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh, it was just.
Speaker 7: A lot of stat I mean, I don't know. Like
Speaker 7: one time I thought I heard Shannon like that was it,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, and that freakd me it, But I
Speaker 7: was like, I don't know. So, yeah, it's so hard
Speaker 7: to hear. I just looked on YouTube how to build one,
Speaker 7: and I like bought all the parts for it, plugged
Speaker 7: it all in. Oh, I'll have to remember to bring
Speaker 7: it when we get together. So I mean, it's like,
Speaker 7: I don't know. It sounds like a lot of static
Speaker 7: and like maybe they said something and.
Speaker 4: If you record it then you can slow it down
Speaker 4: or speed it up and stuff like that too.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm sure it works, I just don't know.
Speaker 7: I would turn it on and it was just like,
Speaker 7: you know, so I don't really I.
Speaker 4: Mean, it could just be one of those things to
Speaker 4: where because some people were really drawn to the dowsing rods,
Speaker 4: some people were really drawn to tarot, some people were
Speaker 4: really drawn to channeling or psychic and it's like everybody
Speaker 4: has a thing that they're a little bit better at.
Speaker 4: And I feel that way towards Taro personally. I mean,
Speaker 4: I I'd like whenever I give myself a reading or
Speaker 4: I give others readings, it's always hits home every time.
Speaker 4: And as a matter of fact, that just gave one
Speaker 4: last week to this gal, and so I gave one.
Speaker 4: And I initially was only planning on just doing like
Speaker 4: a one card reading, just to show how it works
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and and I got the card
Speaker 4: and then I was like, wait a second, let me
Speaker 4: try and see what else is going to be building
Speaker 4: off of this. And it was a perfect like past present,
Speaker 4: future reading and it perfectly in order the way that
Speaker 4: they that the that they fell. It was dude, she
Speaker 4: started crying like it was like so intense that she
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, this is this is just
Speaker 4: one of those times that I'll never forget. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: I am but a conduit.
Speaker 5: For this end.
Speaker 7: It's really I still do. I love I just so
Speaker 7: every morning I kind of like shuffle them and just
Speaker 7: say like, what's what do you want to tell me
Speaker 7: what I need to know today? I just and I'll
Speaker 7: usually do like three or four and then sometimes I
Speaker 7: ask chat GP to read it for me so I
Speaker 7: can be not object so that I call her Gail
Speaker 7: Patricia Thurber, my therapist. I'm like, can you just interpret
Speaker 7: the cards because I'm too biased? So I asked the question,
Speaker 7: here are the cards I pulled? And she really lays
Speaker 7: it all out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, it's on one for sure, Sean. We I
Speaker 4: will definitely do that. Way, do you board with you?
Speaker 5: All right, let's do it.
Speaker 6: I figured, you know, it's not something that I'm gonna
Speaker 6: sit there and just be playing with all the time,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, But like I thought it
Speaker 6: would be something cool to have for when you do come,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Maybe we'll find some open
Speaker 6: field somewhere, not even that. Maybe I just want to
Speaker 6: bring in the house until.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7: It's going to be safe as long as you just
Speaker 7: pray for good and you just say, I'm only here
Speaker 7: to work with the light. I'm not here, not even
Speaker 7: not just I'm here to work with the light. I'm
Speaker 7: of love and light and I just don't I don't know.
Speaker 7: Make watch next time I see you, you'll have like
Speaker 7: glowing red eyes.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's gonna get weird. Yeah, I hope not.
Speaker 6: You know, but it's from the seventies, so I might
Speaker 6: have to sage the ship out of it first.
Speaker 7: Where'd you get?
Speaker 5: You know? Goodwill?
Speaker 7: Of course, Goodwill's my favorite story.
Speaker 5: I got that.
Speaker 6: I got that and a lightsaber for my son for
Speaker 6: like seven bucks out the door, so I was I
Speaker 6: was pretty happy.
Speaker 5: You know, I will have to thrive.
Speaker 7: I'm obsessed with Goodwill, like I go there all the time.
Speaker 7: I also sell a lot of stuff fun from there on.
Speaker 4: Pashpa, Oh my mom does that? Oh really, yeah, my
Speaker 4: mom and my sister.
Speaker 7: Actually I just sold a pair of boots today that well,
Speaker 7: I actually got a pair of my fry boots which
Speaker 7: are four hundred dollars boots. I got them for three
Speaker 7: dollars and seventy five cents at Goodwill in Virginia in
Speaker 7: the bins, and I was like, who died? Why are
Speaker 7: these here? First of all, all the people went running
Speaker 7: towards the shoes when they give out the numbers, because
Speaker 7: sometimes they do that, and I'm like, I'm not going
Speaker 7: to fight because what's meant to be mine is mine.
Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm not going to do this. And it
Speaker 7: was like people knocking each other out. And then when
Speaker 7: they all dispersed, I'm like, are those fry boots? I've
Speaker 7: wanted it for ever but I couldn't afford them. That
Speaker 7: was like they're my size, they're three dollars and seventy
Speaker 7: five cents and they're like new. I was like, this
Speaker 7: can't be somebody died. But I got them there and
Speaker 7: and I but I just but I bought. I got
Speaker 7: paer Ski boots there for three seventy five sold them
Speaker 7: for one hundred bucks.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. You can find a lot of great
Speaker 4: deals over there. But fun, I mean, just even that
Speaker 4: Waga board. I actually like it the idea even more
Speaker 4: knowing that it's.
Speaker 5: Used some years in there.
Speaker 6: Like I said, there might be some some echoes of
Speaker 6: something already kind of sage it.
Speaker 5: I don't know what we might have to work. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we work that out.
Speaker 4: First, and I think that maybe we'll well, the next
Speaker 4: time we have you on, it'll be you know, after
Speaker 4: me and Sean get done playing with that, and then
Speaker 4: we'll welcome you in the show. We'll welcome you into
Speaker 4: the show and everything. We'll talk to you about our
Speaker 4: experience and we'll be like, oh my.
Speaker 6: God, you're gonna need a young priest and an old priest.
Speaker 7: How far is Lake have a sup from here?
Speaker 4: Probably not probably about four hours five hours.
Speaker 7: Oh, two hundred and thirty three miles.
Speaker 5: I'll say it's like four hours.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's Is it like far away from Joshua Tree
Speaker 7: or is it near Joshua Tree? I like, is it
Speaker 7: a different totally different way than Joshua Tree. Oh, it's
Speaker 7: five hours but still okay. But like I you know,
Speaker 7: I plan to go back to Prescott and stuff, so
Speaker 7: it's fine. I used to drive here every month from
Speaker 7: Prescott to LA to visit or like every six weeks,
Speaker 7: and it's I like that. It's a beautiful drive. I'm
Speaker 7: going to Pappy and Harriet's uh at in Joshua Tree.
Speaker 7: I got it take us to see Arrested Development. But
Speaker 7: then my friend plays with the band Cracker, and he
Speaker 7: was like, we're playing the following weekend there. So I'm
Speaker 7: trying to see if I can get my a refund,
Speaker 7: even though I really want to see Arrested Development, but
Speaker 7: I don't want to have to drive up there twice.
Speaker 7: So I'll go see Cracker just because I'm friends with
Speaker 7: my it's my college friend and he plays in that band,
Speaker 7: and uh from you guys are young for.
Speaker 4: Cracker, but no, yeah, I know who Cracker is.
Speaker 7: I figured you would know, yeah, And I saw them
Speaker 7: there once before and it was so fun. So I'm
Speaker 7: going to try to switch it out and go to
Speaker 7: Joshua Tree for that.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: I think we're definitely gonna all have to get together
Speaker 4: one of these days.
Speaker 7: I think that, yeah, we will. And when it cools off.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, I'm not even moving out there until
Speaker 4: towards the end.
Speaker 7: When off end of September, yep, okay.
Speaker 5: Perfect, it will still be pretty warm.
Speaker 7: That's actually like the perfect time. So let's just put
Speaker 7: that on our.
Speaker 4: Books, all right, put it on my vision board.
Speaker 7: On your yes. Yes, oh my gosh, I can't wait.
Speaker 7: All right, you guys, thank you so much. I have this.
Speaker 7: I'm babysitting for a dog. She's a Shitzu and she's fifteen,
Speaker 7: and she has dementia. And I've left left her out there.
Speaker 7: My roommate like went and walked her, but I my
Speaker 7: roommate went to another job. We have all these dogs,
Speaker 7: We've like taken on all these dogs. She's like at
Speaker 7: our neighbor's house. And then I've got we've got this
Speaker 7: other dog. And I have cat in my apartment and
Speaker 7: she's got this dog. And anyway, the dog is in
Speaker 7: heart failure and has dementia. So she's a very confused little.
Speaker 6: Old lady forgetting who she is right now.
Speaker 7: She looks around like who are these people?
Speaker 5: When am I?
Speaker 7: And she keys all over the floor. Definitely, I do
Speaker 7: not want any dogs of my own. But I'm gonna
Speaker 7: go cuddle her and sleep with her tonight. So all right,
Speaker 7: sounds great to see you guys. Nice to meet you,
Speaker 7: Kyle even and we didn't speak, but hi, Britain, I'm
Speaker 7: nice to meet you. Make I'll talk sing.
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