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Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering

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what the Greyload Show is about if you haven't heard

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previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by

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a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the

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days of the KTPF radio show. They're on radio show

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around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for

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over three hours. I joined them in the last eighteen

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months of the show's run, but eventually the guys felt

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they've just about had enough. It was a monumental effort

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to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It was

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a wonderful show, but unfortunately they are longer involved and

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the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.

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So I thought it would be nice to bring them

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back to life and bringing you the interviews that the

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guy has conducted over those four years and include some

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of the most interesting people within the world of the

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paranormal and some not so well numbers that have nevertheless

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still very interesting. We even have one or two rather

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unusual shows, including a live salance and some other things

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along those lines. Anyway, hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and

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this is the KTPF for Releach Show.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the

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KTPF community talk show, broadcasting live from the UK and

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across the world online. My name is Suzanne, I'm Steve,

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I'm Andy, and we're here keeping the paranormal friendly. We

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bring you a relaxed show with no pressure, talking about

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various topics from cryptozoology to UFOs, whilst encouraging our guests

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and you to share information, advice and most importantly friendship.

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Remember collaboration not competition. On tonight's show, can there ever

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be a rationally satisfying and scientifically based explanation as to

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what happens to consciousness at the point of death? Well,

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we talked to consciousness. Theorist Anthony Peak. Anthony grew up

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near Liver, Liverpool in England. He studied sociology and history

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at the University of Warwick before attending the London School

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of Economics. Prior to becoming a full time science writer,

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he was a management consultant in a human resources in

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the industry. He is the author of several books and

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probably best known for his fascinating theory, which he termed

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cheating the ferry Man. We're going to find out a

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bit more about that that.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hello, are we there?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Hi Anthony, finally got ya. Can you hear me okay?

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Or maybe not? Hello?

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Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Hear me? Hello? Hi?

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Speaker 2: Can you hear us? Okay? Anthony?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can hear Can.

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Speaker 2: You hear Andy? Okay? Can you speak Andy?

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Speaker 4: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Can you hear it? Yeah? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Oh brilliant. That's good, made it? Yeah, so good evening

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and welcome to the show. A bit of a technical

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hitch there. It always flusters me a bit. I must admit.

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How are you Anthony? Are you still there? Be with me?

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We're gone? Oh no, what happened?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Cool dropped again? Oh don I've lost a show as well.

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We'll try again, Anthony. I'm terribly sorry about these problems.

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Speaker 5: All right, it's all right. As I said, I'm absolutely

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used to it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right. First of all, can you tell us a

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bit about yourself?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Sure. I'm originally from Wirral, Merseyside, born there in

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nineteen fifty four, an awful long time ago. Educated locally

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on the World Grammar School, then went to Warwick University

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degree dual degree in history and sociology, then did postgrad

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at mund School of Economics, where I studied labor law

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and employee relations. But really it is over the last

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what ten twelve years that I've started to carve out

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a career as a professional writer. I still work as

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a management consultant, which I'm actually doing at the moment,

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but effectively, my first love is writing, and my first

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real area of interest in my writing is exactly what

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is going on when people have extraordinary experiences, When people

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report either encounters with ghosts, renation, past life reviews, these

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kind of things, near death experiences. These are things that

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have fascinated me ever since my university days, and I'm

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now in the fortunate position of having written eight books

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on the subject and in the process of now writing

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Speaker 2: Wow wow, So obviously this subject really grabbed you and

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gave you something to think about.

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Speaker 5: Well totally. I mean, one of the differences I think

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field is the I'm looking for explanations. What I don't

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do when you read my books is give you a

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series of extraordinary experiences and say, g wiz, isn't this fascinating?

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What I do is I go g wiz, isn't it fascinating?

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Can we now explain it scientifically? Now, for me, I

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approach it from a very very standardly scientific approach, but

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I approach it from the fact that let's look at

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these experiences from the experiential viewpoint. In other words, people

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do experience precognitions, DejaVu, sensations and such like. Let's look

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see if we can explain them. What tends to happen

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these days with modern sciences, and it's very much a

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fault of modern science is that there is a present

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scientific paradigm, and if anything contradicts the present scientific paradigm,

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it is literally either ignored or it is explained away.

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recognizes as an associate of mine did the crash of

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concord in Paris? What they will do is they will

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say that, well, people micro dream. In other words, every

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night everybody has about eight to ten dreams. Therefore, if

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you calculate that by the number of people on the planet,

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you literally have bollions and bollions of dreams. Therefore, it

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is not a tall coincidental or it is not at

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all surprising that at least one person will it on

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any evening have a dream in which that dream will

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come true in the future. However, this associate of mine

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not only had a dream of a plane crashing, but

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had a specific dream of a concord plane crashing with

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its back on fire in Paris or in France. Now

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there's one thing. Somebody having a general dream of thinking, oh,

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there's going to be a plane crash somewhere. This is

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absolutely specific, and I cite the example that are there

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are various examples of people who have had very, very

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precise dreams. But the scientists liked to cite this thing

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called the law of large numbers. And the law of

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large numbers is what I've just cited now that effectively

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if you've come across many many years ago. There used

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to be an English illustrator called Heath Robinson, and Heath

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Robinson used to do these wonderful design of these incredibly

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ornate contraptions that had wheels and god knows what else

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on them. I think this is Heath Robinson's science. In

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other words, it's actually stretching things to the end degree,

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to explain something just because within your paradigm, because it

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doesn't fit within the paradigm. Many years ago, there used

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was within what was called the Aristotelian worldview, which was

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the teachings of were Aristotle, and effectively what they did

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consider the the whole world functioned on the science of Aristotle,

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which are for instance, an example of this was that

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the Earth is the center of the universe and everything

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that revolves around the Earth. Therefore, the Sun revolves around

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the Earth, and all the planets revolve around the Earth. However,

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there were things that they perceived looking in the sky

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where certain planets went in what was called retrograde motion.

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across the sky when they should have been going forwards.

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this is what's happening with science now. They are refusing

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to accept a lot of the experiences, and they are

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so desperate to not accept the new spis the new explanations,

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the new explanations given to us by quantum physics, that

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they are desperate to come up with the most incredibly

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stupid and silly explanations, and they are then time and

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time again, and when they failed to do that, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So when you started on your research, what

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did you get out of it and how did you

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my approach was, let us say, very materialist, reductionist, very

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rooted within the present paradigm, and very much not necessarily

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looking out to discredit the experiences that individual had, but

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to look at them as objectively as I possibly could.

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has changed by the sheer weight of evidence from things

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that have been shown to me individuals who have approached

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me with their own experiences and also my own experiences

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of the brain reality interfaith. Now I'll give an example

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of this in one of my books, The out of

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of the body experiences when people consider that they are

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floating outside of their body. I argue that This is

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an hallucination. It's an illucination created by the brain under

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certain circumstances of stress. There's something called disassociation that people

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do and depersonalization when they're in very, very stressful situations,

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extremely stressful. But I argue that what we do is

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we go inside ourselves and start to actually visit alternate

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locations and universes within our cells. These are not hallucinations

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in the general accepted way of the term, but they

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are something that you know, we just we go somewhere

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else inside ourselves. But there's no evidence as far as

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able in consensual reality, consensual space, the consensual space we

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share with everybody else, that they've gone outside of their body. However,

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I was approached by a friend of Minel who has

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now become a friend of Minael Graham Nichols, who turned

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around and said, I can actually prove to you that

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I not only had an out of the body experience

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that was witnessed, but I actually brought back information from

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the future in my out of the body experience. I

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subsequently met up with Graham and if you go onto

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my YouTube fight, I actually viewed Graham in London and

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Graham told me that he had had an experience where

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he had found himself in an out of body state.

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nineteen ninety nine, and as he was standing at the

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street corner, he looked down the street and he started

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floating taking place in the middle of the street, people

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walking out covered in blood. It was the bombing of

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the Admiral Duncan in Soho. Now, effectively, when he came

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to turned down to the people who he was around him,

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a precognitive out of the body experience where I've seen

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a terrorist attack in London in Soho in a specific location.

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Admiral Duncan bombing took place. Now for me, that was irrefutable.

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after David to say that they had witnessed Graham doing

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that before the event took place. That to me was

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impossible to explain. So it clearly is people do have

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these experiences that are precognitive and out.

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Speaker 2: So where does the precognitive work in all of this?

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Speaker 5: Precognition? Precognition for me is scientifically valid in the sense

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that if you start looking into particle physics and quantum physics,

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and by quantum physics, I mean the real deal, I

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mean the real physics. I don't mean this kind of

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wishy washing nonsense. You're getting a lot of new age

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books and talking about the real physics. If you start

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looking into this, you discover for some very very interesting things,

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for instance, the idea that subatomic particles themselves show evidence

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of recognition. For instance, there is a very phenomenon whereby

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light is given off by a particle, and effectively the

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particle will stop giving off light when there isn't enough,

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when there's not enough at the bit a by that

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available in the environment around it, and effectively it seems

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to know the future now if time is not as

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is already in existence or the future is already within

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the program, and if we have time. I'll start to

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discuss that a little bit later. Recognition is not at

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all weird. Recognition is literally similar to if if you're

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playing a computer game that you would know or somewhere

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the future is already there. In fact, quantum physics, a

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certain dream of quantum physics called the Many World's interpretation

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of quantum physics, which has recently been changed by Stephen Hawking,

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and Stephen Hawking has something called has caused top down

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hypothesis of quantum physics, whereby, and get this, this is

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every decision we make, is already encoded in some kind

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of reality program. So in other words, if you choose

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to do one thing, that is that that event effectually

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collapses from a statistical waste function into a real event.

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they're all encoded there within the future. So in which

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case it is not also surprising that we can recognize

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the future. It's time. It's the issue. It's not the

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fact that you're seeing the future. It's because we confuse

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what time is. And in fact, I wrote a book

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explain the science and physics of time, taking into account recognition.

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we hear a lot about Avatar and that sort of

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thing and the matrix and stuff like that. Where does

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this all fit in?

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Guide to Extraordinaries it self, and it came out of

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something that intrigued me as part of my research for

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Life after Death. Extraordinary Science of what happens when we

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die was an attempt to explain near death experiences in

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a logical and national way, In other words, to explain

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an after life that doesn't contradict modern scientific knowledge. Now

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one of the things in it. And then if we

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to probably explain my chief in the frame teaching. Fernemen

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basically suggests that the final seconds of your life you

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fall out of time. There is a group of neurochemicals

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that are released in the brain that actually slow down

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your concept of time. Most people out there will have

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probably had similar experience where you've been in a car

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crash or you've been given bad news when time seems

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to slow down. Now, this is what's called the glue

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to make flood and glueso made is the major neurotransmitter

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of the Mamaelian brain. And one of the things that

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if you're dying. One of the things that people say

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nineteen sixty nine. Had a series of hypology and one

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of them was this idea of time slowing down. But

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one of the other things that when time slows down.

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this is the concept that my life flashed before my eyes.

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are in situations where they know they're going to die,

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when they can see a car crash up ahead, or

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they're a mountain climber that's fallen off a cliff, or

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they're drowning. This panoramic life review where somebody sees in

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a split steck and every single event in their life

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it just goes in front of them and like this

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kind of holographic recreation of their lives. I suggested in

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Chieving the Ferrymen that in a real death experience, rather

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than the near death experience, your life doesn't flash before

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your eyes. You live it in a literal recreation, second

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by second recreation of your life. In the final second

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of your life, and when you come to the end

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of that second life, the same thing happened again and

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again and again. It's like groundhog Day the movie. Now,

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what I suggest is that when you go and live

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your the life for the second time, there's something different. And

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there's something different is the fact that there is a

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part of you that will remember the fact you've lived

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this life before. I call this part of you the damon.

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The damon is the part of you that has lived

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your life many many times. And your life is like

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a computer game. You know, if you've played a game

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such as in my generation, it was things like Tom

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Rader in Tim Rader. You have on the screen. You

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have your on screen screen avatar, your Lara Croft. But

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the first time you played the game, Lara appears on

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the screen and Lara, as far as Laura is concerned,

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she's just been reborn. She's come from nowhere. She's just

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a conscious you know. Imagine Lara is conscious on the screen.

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She just suddenly appears in this cave. Doesn't have any history,

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doesn't have any past. But you're the game player, Okay.

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Lara runs down the corridor and she gets goes down

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a corridor and gets eaten by a monster. The game

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player then starts the game again, and Lara is reborn

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again without any memories of the past game. But the

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game player does remember. So Lara runs down the corridor,

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and for some reason, Lara, within her viewpoint, from the

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viewpoint of the avatar, suddenly thinks something makes her run

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down in another direction to avoid the monster. She doesn't

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know why she's done it, that she's just had this

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inkling or feeling. Now, this is what happens with the Damon.

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In your second rerun of your Life. The Damon remembers

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and it warns you it'll be a voice in your

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head it will be an inkling, it will be a sensation. Now,

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the creature on the screen, the person that's embodied in

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the computer program in the game of life, is the

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eedle On. We are all Eiderlon You and I are

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all Eiderlons. We are embodied within the game. But our

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damon is the game player, the being that's part of us,

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that's outside of the game. Now, the daemon and the

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aid of terms are quite specific. I take them from

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a particular religious belief and called Gnostracism. And the Gnostics

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were a very schismatic religious belief group that were around

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well effectively around the second or third centuries AD, and

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continued and continued as a belief system right out through

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the Centuriesism is still a belief system. The Cathars, the

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Kathari were a Gnostic belief system. And these guys very

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much argue that there are two of us in your head.

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So many of your listeners will equate the daemon with

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being your spirit guide, your guardian angel, you name it.

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But throughout history these events have taken place. Socrates had

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a damon and he talked about it and in the

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book The Damon, I cite example after example throughout history

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and examples from people who wrote to me after my

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first book who'd had a demonic influences in their life

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that had actually saved their lives very quickly. Is what

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the demon?

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Speaker 2: And are right? Okay? Best GPS has just asked, is

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it our intuition? But you've basically said that. You've just

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answered that one, Steve. You've got some questions. Hi, Anthony,

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can you hear me?

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Speaker 5: Yep? I can just about yeah.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so sorry, but I'm a bit far away from

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the funt. What you describe as the daemon and how

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it all works is very similar to a piece of

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work called nossau lah via a doctor Andre Lutz, and

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this was written after his death by automatic writing by

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Francisco Candid Xavier. It's a very long switches to about

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eight volumes, but he says that we need to reincarnate

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several times to gain wisdom and experience to complete the

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human crest.

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Speaker 5: Make a difference between what you've just suggested and what

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I suggest is you do not reincarnate as other people, right, okay, okay?

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make this point is and I will explain, this is

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reincarnation as this is normally understood, is pointless. The reason being,

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if I am reincarnated as somebody else with all my

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memories wiped clean, and I don't remember who I was

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in my previous life, and I'm reborn as somebody else

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in a different culture and a different environment and a

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different timescale, how am I learning anything? Not? In other words,

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I don't remember. We learn from our mistakes now. The

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thing is, with the Damon Adelon model, you are reborn

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as yourself. In other words, you are given the opportunity

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to right the wrongs you did in your previous life,

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as Connors does in Groundhog Day. In other words, this

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is not It is reincarnation, but in a totally different way.

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There is no no scientific way in which a consciousness

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can re embody itself in another consciousness miles away or

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at a different time, unless consciousness there's a field of

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contentiousness outside that we all we're all part of now.

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Irvin Ladlow, this is one of the viewpoints we take.

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a life memory of a previous life. That wasn't you.

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You're tuning into the field. You're tuning into the zero

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point field, the information field, and in which case it's

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like tuning into a radio program. You go through all

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the wavelet the frequencies, and you'll tune into something. Yeah,

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so that wasn't you. You are you and you are

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reborn as you. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Beth is asking who what or who made both?

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Who does the program in and it sounds a bit

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like Cabbala, the Cabala.

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in my book The Infinite Minefield, which came out two

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years ago, I discussed in great detail Kabbala and the

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model within Kabbala, who did the programming in cabal that

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it would be considered the aori in soft Okay, but effectively,

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I argue, or I don't argue. A lot of other

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people argue, this is that the program has been programmed

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by humanity in the future. Okay, it's crazy and sounds mad,

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but it's not if you start to think about it rationally.

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If human beings do not destroy themselves in nuclear war

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or pointless religious strife for anything, else and we survive,

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there's going to be one or two things that are

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going to happen. Computing is going to increase in the

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same way as it does now. It's called Moore's law

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and More's law. More's law in general terms is every

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two years, the ability we have to compute the computing

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capacity we have doubles. It's recently moved to about three years.

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But if you extrapolate that to about two or two

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or three hundred years in the future, it is perfectly

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reasonable to conclude that our distant ancestors will have sufficient

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computing the ability to recreate history and recreate in a

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program the history of humanity. Within that history of humanity,

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there will be people who could be sentient, in which

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case we then have something very interesting. Now, again this

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is not my idea. This was put forward originally by

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a book, a book called The Physics of Immortality by

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a guy called Frank Tippler, who is one of the

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word I think it was Frank Tipler. I maybe creative

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that I think it was Tipler, but one of the

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world's leading theoretical particle physicists. So again, this is not

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the guy down the pub It's not the new age guru.

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It's not the guy channeling rubbish from the planet farg.

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This is the real deal. This is real science. Ye okay. Now,

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there's been recent work done, but work done by pleeple

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like Juan Maldacana and various other individuals who are actually

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showing that the reality we live within is holographic. Not

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only is it holographic, but it's actually created as a huge,

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huge holog Now again people out there will be saying, oh,

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utter nonsense, it makes no sense. Well it does. Actually,

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Stephen Hawking has been working on this. There's something called

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Hawking radiation, and Hawking radiation is radiation that's given off

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by a black hole. Now I don't have time to

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go into detail about this, but an awful lot of individuals,

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people like Jacob Beckstein and other individuals, real, real researchers,

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have actually said that there is evidence to presume that

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the whole of three dimensional reality is being projected from

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the edges of space in towards us. This works as

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a holographic principle, So in which case is everything is holographic.

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Everything works on information. And again I say to people,

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don't take my word for this. There's a guy called

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let Cover Drell one of the world's leading particle physicists.

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He's Professor of theoretical physics in the University of Singapore.

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He's written a book two or three years ago suggesting

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that the universe is made up of information, digital information.

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We are living within a digital information simulation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we like the matrix. Like the matrix.

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Speaker 5: It's exactly like the matrix.

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 5: One of the arguments the philosophers have used for the

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years is something called the concept of the zeitgeist, the

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idea that we subliminally seem to know what is happening now.

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I argue that there is an awful lot of movies.

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I love my movies, and there's an awful lot of

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movies that have been out in recent years that are

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actually dealing with this sitegeist, this belfgeist, this idea. The

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matrix is just one of a myriad of movies. For instance,

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if you look at Inception, an inception about lucid dreaming

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and go further into the lucid dreaming state. Very recently Interstellar.

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When I saw the movie Interstellar, I was absolutely stunned

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because the final sequences of Interstellar are absolutely what I

477
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,359
talk about in my book The Infinite Minefield, you know

478
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,880
the bit what he's looking through the past and he

479
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,000
sees his daughter and he sees all the different levels.

480
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,039
That is actually literally what they were trying to do

481
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,240
and what Christopher Nolan, the director, was trying to do

482
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,720
in that. He was trying to show how you perceive

483
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,359
time from the fifth dimension, from looking outside of time

484
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,240
by looking at what's called orthogonal time, realizing that everything

485
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:34,720
that is happening is happening now that time is an illusion.

486
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:38,440
It's created by the brain in order to, as one

487
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,200
scientist one said, to stop everything happening at once, because

488
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:41,960
that's what it does do.

489
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,559
Speaker 2: Okay, right, we've got and here I'm hoping you can hear.

490
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: Oh right, you.

491
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:55,839
Speaker 7: Just want to go back a little bit. So talking

492
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,480
about earlier on I'm actually what's the interview with you?

493
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,640
Earlier this afternoon and we're talking about the ESH. I

494
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:09,079
can never get this right the records now, I'm very

495
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,960
much I'm psychotherapist from the Young in background, and to me,

496
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:13,920
there's a lot of similarity I think in that and

497
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,279
Young's Collective Unconscious.

498
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,559
Speaker 3: I would had any thoughts on that.

499
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:20,839
Speaker 5: No, absolutely totally. I mean Young's collective unconscious. I mean

500
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,519
I'm a huge fan of Young. I always have been.

501
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,880
I think Young was one of the most radical thinkers.

502
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,119
I mean, what would argue that he wasn't necessarily being scientific,

503
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,519
but what he was being was being analyzing literally the

504
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,720
human experience, I mean effectively. You know I was touching

505
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,160
on earlier on about the Damon and the Adlon. I

506
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,960
mean he had his own Damon.

507
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 7: Didn't he Absolutely, I was just putting that and for

508
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,720
him or doubt the fact he had the second person

509
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:49,680
out of the intelligent one if you like, that knew

510
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,240
everything even when he was a young child.

511
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 5: So yes, yeah, so Young himself and I was it. Oh,

512
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:56,720
I can't think of the name now. Was that the

513
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,759
character that guided him on Pelomon?

514
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

515
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Filamon? Yeah, so Young had his Philomon. But

516
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,319
the collective unconscious and the acashtic field are the same thing.

517
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,240
The acasta. The reason that Irving Laslow and that latterly

518
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,000
myself and irv In Lady use the term the Akashic

519
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,039
field is because the acasha is something from the lead,

520
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:22,960
as something from the the the the the theoretical philosophical

521
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,160
basis of Hinduism.

522
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I was buying myself, so.

523
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,519
Speaker 5: Yees with information and everything that ever is and everything

524
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,960
that ever could be is already encoded in there. It's

525
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,200
it's something. One of my favorite lights writers Jorge Borges,

526
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,599
who was a young and could have mentioned this in

527
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,200
his book and short story The Lab, the Library of

528
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,759
Babel or the Library of Babel, the idea that there

529
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:51,160
is an information field. And again Laslow and I do

530
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,319
the science of this. What we do is we we

531
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:59,240
suggest a model whereby the akasha can be considered to

532
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:05,039
be equal all two the zero point field within within

533
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,599
quantum physics, and the idea that empty space is not

534
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,200
empty space at all, it is not a vacuumated plenum.

535
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,519
An yeah, full of information. Like David Bowe.

536
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 7: Said, absolutely, yes, certainly when we're going to watch this

537
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:20,920
trip earlier on today and our fland myself in agreement

538
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,000
of a lot of the things you were saying, and

539
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:24,920
tonight as well. Definitely they can think very similarly. Just

540
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,000
a little quick point I thought you might find interesting.

541
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,200
You mentioned on the video clip about eleven eleven getting

542
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,519
something you keep bumping into.

543
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:37,039
Speaker 5: Yes, I do, I do. Eleven eleven is I have

544
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,559
I have mixed opinions about this, the rational part of

545
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,359
me says that we're bound to see as the numbers

546
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:48,440
eleven eleven on any digital playback for one reason. Eleven

547
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,559
eleven the only numbers you're going to see on any

548
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,640
kind of digital dial that are straight up, straight up

549
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,200
and down. Yeah, a vertical. Now, if we argue that

550
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:04,799
when we evolved, when we were down in central Africa,

551
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,400
in the plains of Africa, we would have evolved on

552
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,960
a plane. So therefore anything that is actually vertical to

553
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,480
the horizon, horizontal, vertical to the horizon, would be considered

554
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,119
to be a threat. So therefore we see it. So

555
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,079
therefore eleven eleven would be something we would spot, and

556
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,839
we would spot just by just noticing it. You know,

557
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,640
it could be subliminal and it would be a reaction

558
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,960
to it. However, my wife pointed out something to me

559
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:36,400
about this, and my wife is extremely rational, but she said,

560
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400
you've missed the biggest eleven eleven and in your life,

561
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,000
but you haven't seen that is nothing to do with

562
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:49,200
digital readoubts the ball and it is quite weird. It's

563
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,519
the title of My first book is The Life After Death,

564
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,400
the Dutch edition, because most of my books have been

565
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,279
published in many foreign languages, but it's the Dutch edition.

566
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,640
And the Dutch edition of is Their Life after Death

567
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,319
is called eleven eleven eleven h and it means life

568
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:10,759
after life after life in dudge. Yes, and I thought, whoo,

569
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,279
now that cannot be explained.

570
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,759
Speaker 4: That's a booky that is weird, isn't that?

571
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,119
Speaker 7: I also have my own experience for eleven eleven. I

572
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,240
used to be back in many, many years ago when

573
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,119
I was at school in a band and I used

574
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:24,759
to be the singer, and I wrote the lyrics for

575
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,200
a song called eleven eleven am. And it was something

576
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,240
that myself and my friend in the band was something

577
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,079
about that time, used to look at our watches and

578
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,599
five was eleven eleven, and to write a song about it.

579
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,440
It's another little coincidence there.

580
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: It'd be interesting to know what the lyrics were of that,

581
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,440
as well as to whether there was anything any kind

582
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,799
of subliminal Youngian synchronistic messages within Max. Of course, Young himself,

583
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,519
as you know, was fascinated by synchronicity.

584
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,519
Speaker 3: Absolutely, as am I actually very much right if.

585
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,599
Speaker 5: You'll know about the work keepers before going pauly m hmm.

586
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,839
Absolutely for this, you know, and again for the listeners

587
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:01,119
out there who are not aware revolang Pauley, and I mean,

588
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,640
I'm accused of name dropping by the way, I would argue,

589
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,359
I'm not name dropping. I'm citing my sources. Subtle but

590
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,679
important difference. And remember, guys, this isn't scripted, you know.

591
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,079
You know, if people think I'm just madly reading from

592
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:18,239
notes here, I'm not. But Wolfgang Pauley was fascinated by synchronisity,

593
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,159
and Wulfgang Pauley was Pauley's exclusion principle, which is one

594
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,800
of the leading things to do with particle physics from

595
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,280
the nineteen thirties. So this guy was a serious physicist.

596
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,480
He was a serious mathematician. But even as a serious mathematician,

597
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:39,039
he was intrigued by synchronicity. Not coincidences, but significant synchronicities.

598
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely yes.

599
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,639
Speaker 7: It was incredious event whereby the two things appear to occur,

600
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,199
that our simultaneous are closely linked, but there's no cause

601
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,039
or link between them. The classic story was Young talking

602
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:53,920
to one of his clients where she was talking about

603
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,840
having injective of an Egyptian beetle, and one then banged

604
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,800
into the window of Young's house at the same time

605
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,360
she was talking about it. Absolutely no reason why the

606
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,880
two adventure occurs at the same time. Ethnic clearly was

607
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,519
some kind of strange link linkage or synchronicid is we

608
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:06,840
call it.

609
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, the scarab beetle and the way the

610
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,679
scarab beetle actually was correct. That was outside the window

611
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,400
trying to get in.

612
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,599
Speaker 3: That's it exactly.

613
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,199
Speaker 7: Is sort of tapped onto the hit the glass and

614
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,840
sort of sat on the windows while the surprises it

615
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,800
said an't NOOI she was just talking about every of this.

616
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 5: Now, I would argue that synchronicities, I call them synchronipodies,

617
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,599
by the way, are things that, as many made people say,

618
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:33,320
there are kind of almost the universe or almost. If

619
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,360
we argue that the classic Copenhagen interpretation of particle physics

620
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,440
that a statistical wave is collapsed into a point particle

621
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,559
by the act of observation by its sentient minds, effectively,

622
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:51,039
it means that we create our own reality by observing it.

623
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,800
We bring it into existence from a statistical probability. Now,

624
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,519
if that is the case, which is not at all surprising,

625
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:01,519
the coincidences take place. In fact, I'm prize that synchronicities

626
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:05,920
don't occur more because they do, and the more you

627
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,880
notice them, the more odds they become. Now others would argue,

628
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,000
and again the dismisses of all this will turn around

629
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,719
and say, it's attention bias, it's confirmation bias. These are

630
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,199
wonderful terms that scientists use to discredit these things. We're

631
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:24,679
again getting again back to the epicycle, and these epic

632
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,679
cycles these days are like attention bias or confirmation virus.

633
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,639
You're looking for the coincidence. They will find them. But

634
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,519
the thing is I find with coden is that you're

635
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,960
not looking for them. That's what's wonderful about them. You

636
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,400
suddenly go whoo, and then you see the coincident, and

637
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,840
then sometimes you actually do the joke. Yeah, isn't it

638
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:46,159
the cosmic joker?

639
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,599
Speaker 7: Yes, So basically almost like a laugh of your xanti.

640
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,039
I mean, I can give a few examples myself with

641
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:55,920
my own work as a therapist. You know, there are

642
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,000
occasions when I get up in the morning think something's

643
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,199
going to be wrong today, and then someone doesn't turn up,

644
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,599
or there's an issue and you just feel it.

645
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:02,639
Speaker 3: You know something's going on.

646
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:04,159
Speaker 7: You think is it just a considance or is there

647
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,519
something bigger to it I'm actually picking up upon.

648
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 5: So yeah, okay, yeah, absolutely absolutely.

649
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, yes, yes, I was listening to one to

650
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,519
one of your interviews and you were going tell us

651
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:25,960
about the Damon and going through like deja vu, and

652
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,320
I was wondering, if you believe that we are all energy,

653
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,960
and then there can be many verses versions of ourselves

654
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:37,119
are different units, universes or time frames. Could it be

655
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:42,840
that me here and me there are just communicating with ourselves. Yeah,

656
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,920
and that's why we get deja vu and precognition.

657
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,039
Speaker 5: Yes, I think there's probably two things I've yet to

658
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,920
really come to a conclusion on this, and it's one

659
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,639
of the areas of research I'm following upon. Is this

660
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,199
idea of multiple personnelities, universes and multiple versions of the film.

661
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:06,599
And are the deja vu stag brought about by the

662
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:10,800
Damon effectively as the Damon stimulated dejah vu? Or is

663
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,880
a deja VU's simple effect? And going back remember to

664
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,599
my treating the Ferryman hypothesis, if we've all lived this

665
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,039
life before, and then if it isn't at all surprising

666
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,840
that on occasions are idle On are embodied within the

667
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,960
game entity or avatar within the game will will sometimes

668
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,960
suddenly recognize something and will go Whoo, I've done this before,

669
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,920
and then can recognize what is going to happen next

670
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,559
from the memories. Now, I don't know if you're a werd,

671
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,840
but I've actually written recently a biography of the American

672
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,760
science fiction writer Philip K. Dick, and in this I

673
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,800
discussed because Philip K. Dick, for me, was the embodiment

674
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,800
of an awful lot of my hypothesis, or as my

675
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,840
critics would say, my speculations with in terms of this,

676
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:08,119
because Philip K. Dick showed evidence of future precognitions, but

677
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,239
also showed evidence that he actually was able to feed

678
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,360
back to his earlier self the plot lines of his

679
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,800
short stories and his novels, which I found absolutely uncanny.

680
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,320
In other words, he was, in some kind of subliminal

681
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,440
way and in some kind of hitmen the gogic state,

682
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:30,519
was able to back give him his younger self messages

683
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:35,440
about plot lines. There's two or three examples of this

684
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,440
which we don't have time to go into at the moment,

685
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,840
but Philip K. Dick himself acknowledged this and found it

686
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,400
very very curious. Events that happened in his life in

687
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:51,079
the late nineteen early nineteen seventies. He then found written

688
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,679
in books that he'd written in the early nineteen sixties,

689
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,400
even to the name and the circumstances. Now, that's curious.

690
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,960
This again shows that time is not what we say.

691
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:04,519
And again Philip A. Dick execute this call this orthogonal

692
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,519
time not original in terms of that. A lot of

693
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:12,519
other people, individuals like J. W. Done in his experiment

694
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:16,159
with time books, very much discussed exactly the same kind

695
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:19,840
of concept. Time is orthogonal. In other words, time run

696
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,199
from past, from future to present the past, you know,

697
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,159
in a like a river flowing, as Marcus Darelli has

698
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,800
called it. But effectively there's also time that runs off

699
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,800
time orthogonal. And again, going back to the movie Interstella,

700
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:39,719
that's exactly the location that the central character found himself

701
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,239
looking into when he was in that kind of time

702
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,039
loop at the end.

703
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I absolutely.

704
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 7: Last week I thought that came to be there was

705
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,039
if we were actually and just be doing with our

706
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,719
own ideas and concepts within ourselves, rather than sort of

707
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,519
being able to coognize and send back to ourselves real

708
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:11,000
world events around us just our concepts and ideas. Otherwise,

709
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,639
just put something joking into our chat room. You could

710
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:15,679
send back the lottery numbers to yourself, and there's no

711
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,199
one's done that. Then it probably doesn't work. But it

712
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,360
must therefore be just what you know of yourself to yourself,

713
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,360
and that the Philip be a dick example, would be

714
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:26,840
obviously his own ideas, his stories to himself, rather than

715
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,960
being sort of anything from external world around him.

716
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,679
Speaker 5: That's an interesting point that as to why we don't

717
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,519
backfeed information that could make you rich or wealthy or

718
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,960
something like that, you know, like lottery winners. There have

719
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,840
been examples of people who have dreamed lottery winners. It

720
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,320
has happened. There is the famous case of the guy

721
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,480
that actually predicted a whole series of horses horse races

722
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:50,880
that were going to win, and he had a series

723
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,679
of dreams whereby the dreams came true and he had

724
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,840
actually put bets on things. But look at this another way.

725
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,000
If you're damon, no the outcome of a lot of

726
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,760
the decisions you've made, because it has lived many of

727
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,800
your life before. Because it is possible that your damon

728
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,679
has already experienced a lot of potential streams that you

729
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,920
could follow in your life. I'm reminded here if anybody's

730
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,360
seen the movie Butterfly Effects. In Butterfly Effect, the central

731
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,639
character goes back in time to change. And remember, this

732
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,400
is interesting something I haven't pointed on here. I'm fascinated

733
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:36,239
by temporo epilepsy. Okay, templeover epilepsy and the associated prodrones

734
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:38,519
with that. Now, one of the things that people have

735
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,280
templeover epilepsy that they claim they can talk to their

736
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,320
damon thelaim and they can talk to other people. But

737
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,840
in that movie, the guy inherits from his father an illness,

738
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,920
that illness is clearly temporob epilepsy. It has a seizure

739
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,199
and he goes back to a point in his past

740
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:59,159
where he tries to change what he did, and he

741
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,280
seeks the outcome of that decision as a damon. The

742
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,360
outcome of the decision sometimes isn't very good. So what

743
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,039
makes seem at the time to be a good decision

744
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,000
to make spins off into things that could be very

745
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:16,599
very negative and very very bad. But again, the Time

746
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,119
Traveler's Wife is another example of this. The novel and

747
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:24,639
the movie again perceives this. We also have something similar

748
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:27,960
in the TV Theories Passed Forward that was on a

749
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,480
few years ago. Again, the idea of alternate reality, of

750
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:35,079
alternate futures with different outcomes to different events. Now it

751
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,719
could be that if your damon knows there's already in

752
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:47,599
the lottery and it ends terribly ahead, I'm sorry, where

753
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:50,800
so far ahead? Oh? I haven't seen that? Is this

754
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,599
the one where somebody has a very very short term recognition.

755
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's.

756
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And initially I think it's only two minutes,

757
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,760
but you can see a lot way ahead. And in

758
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,880
the movie he kind of splits himself up into lots

759
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,519
of different people to check different areas from seeing ahead

760
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:14,079
of himself.

761
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:16,679
Speaker 5: Well, we know this. This this theme has been used

762
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,760
as well recently in the latest Tom Cruise movie. And

763
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,000
I can't think of the title of it. But all

764
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:27,400
these movies are actually, interestingly enough, as an assign are

765
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:32,119
very much based upon one particular novel written by a

766
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,000
Russian philosopher called Peter Ospensky called The Life of Ivan Ahsokin,

767
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,480
and Ospensky was fascinated by the idea that, like myself,

768
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,719
that we live off the same life over and over

769
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,760
again and again. Ospensky's ideas are quite intriguing. Again, he

770
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,079
does the science of this. Ospensky unlike myself because he

771
00:44:56,199 --> 00:45:00,920
didn't have the ability, because of circumstances lived within to

772
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:04,760
know about computing. How the Many World's interpretation would be

773
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,599
presented in nineteen fifty seven by whoever at the third

774
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,519
He didn't know about this. So when he was writing,

775
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,639
he believed that we lived the same life over and

776
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,679
over again. And it's again a play on of course,

777
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,960
the philosophers out there will say this is this is

778
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,079
Frederick Nietzsche, and of course had the same in his

779
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,840
book The gay Ion Turnaround, said that we live the

780
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,679
same life over and over and over again. It's called

781
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:34,119
the eternal recurrence, the eternal return. It has been something

782
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:37,119
that has been known within philosophy and something that's been

783
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:42,400
known within certain religious groups for centuries millennia. So there's

784
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,239
nothing new I'm writing about here. No, I'm very aware

785
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,840
of the historical background, the philosophical backgrounds of these concepts.

786
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,239
But what I'm doing is I'm adapting them and incorporating

787
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,199
into them the knowledge that we have now of particle physics.

788
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:03,679
Zero point Field Kastrick Field, the top Die hypothesis of

789
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,559
particle physics the idea of universe stimulation. It's only now

790
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,760
that we can pull the pieces together and pull the

791
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,400
dots together.

792
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

793
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:15,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now when it comes to the demon, how can

794
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,400
we guarantee our stay safe for kick in?

795
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,159
Speaker 5: How can we guarantee.

796
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,679
Speaker 2: What stay safe for kick in?

797
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:25,039
Speaker 5: Korry? I missed that again, the stay safe, stay safe?

798
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,599
We can't. But the very fact I'll turn around for you,

799
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,880
and I'll turn around. I do this in my talks.

800
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,079
Isn't it strange that every single person listening to this,

801
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,480
every single person in the studio there is alive. You've

802
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:44,480
seen other people die, you have seen circumstances where you

803
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:46,840
might have been close to death, but you've survived it

804
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:51,440
because this is your universe, and your universe needs you

805
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:55,320
as a perceiver and as an observer to continue surviving.

806
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:59,440
So therefore, your damon is very very active in your life.

807
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,719
In this of your life, it has made you survive

808
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,280
thus far. Okay, now again people will turn around and

809
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,079
say what nonsense he's talking, And I'll turn around and

810
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:14,760
I'll say, look up the work of a Swedish American

811
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,400
quantum physicist whose name has just escaped me. How annoying

812
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:22,960
It will come back to me. But he has something

813
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,880
called the quantum suicide thought experiment. Oh, and he uses

814
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:33,280
and he extrapolates, Max teg Mark. Okay, he extrapolates from

815
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,559
the Schrodinger's cat brought experiment of Irwin Schrodinger. He takes

816
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:43,079
Schrodinger's cat and extrapolates that to a personal point of

817
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:47,519
view that proves that we are all immortal within our

818
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:51,880
own worldview. Again, this is a top quantum physicist. This

819
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,000
is not the new age. Not to down the pub

820
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,079
This is the real deal. And again, if anybody's interested

821
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,239
in this, just look it up. Look it up on Google.

822
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:04,159
Quantum Suicide experiment, Max Tegmark. Now again you can prove

823
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,960
that this is your universe. You are collapsing the wave

824
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,639
function of your universe. This is why you are still here.

825
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,119
And indeed, this is why you're listening to me speaking now,

826
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:20,320
because this is profoundly important that we are all communicating

827
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,559
as entities within our own what we know as the fanneron,

828
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,400
which is something called Pierce, an American philosopher, called your

829
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,920
own worldview, and we are interfacing with each other as

830
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,239
waves on an ocean, and effectively, we are all here

831
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,119
to teach each other the ideas and thoughts and everything

832
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,119
else that we have. So again, your damon is very

833
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,719
very effective. Now again, in my book The Dame and

834
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,440
a Guide to Extraordinary Secret Itself, I fight many many

835
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,840
examples of people who had written to me after my

836
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,440
first book from around the world who were saying that, wow,

837
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,960
it happened to me. I've had examples of people whose

838
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,360
lives have been saved in the most extraordinary circumstance local

839
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,440
to you. For instance, one guy wrote to me and

840
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:08,679
he was living in South Wirral and he was driving

841
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:11,000
along the Chester high Road and he went along the

842
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,440
side road off the Chester high Road and as he

843
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:17,599
was driving along the road, his arm turned his vehicle

844
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:22,440
into the ditch for no reason whatsoever, as a lorry

845
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:24,519
came thundering down the middle of the road in front

846
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:29,159
of them. Now, site, the cynics and the skeptics can

847
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,000
preach till the cows come home. That guy knows that

848
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:37,440
something saved his life. He is absolutely convinced, and he

849
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:42,480
knows empirically from experience that something saved his life. And

850
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:44,239
he's just one of many examples.

851
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 2: Now we've got a question in the chat room from T.

852
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,199
TGH going back to the dreams. He says, what happens

853
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,000
to the millions of dreams that don't come true.

854
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,199
Speaker 4: Because they're dreams?

855
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 5: I mean, effectively, a precognitive dream A Graham Graham Nichols,

856
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:09,000
my associate in this, says, he calls it the Cyrillian effect.

857
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:16,079
A precognitive dream has a totally different feel to it. Yes, absolutely,

858
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:19,360
I remember, because the dreams you don't remember. But there's

859
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,360
something very tangible, very physically real. He calls it the

860
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,920
Cerrillian effect because when he has out of the body

861
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,639
experiences that are precognitive, there's a tinge to the urr

862
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,280
around him, which is a kind of a blue tinge,

863
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,039
and he knows from that that this is likely to

864
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,000
be precognitive.

865
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,079
Speaker 7: Yes, I was disagreeing that the nature of those kind

866
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,719
of dreams. I've had one to myself over the years.

867
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:47,519
One of the strangest one was I actually dreamt the end.

868
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,079
Speaker 3: Of a book. I was reading a novel.

869
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 7: Then, and it ended the way I dreamt it, and

870
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,519
it was real indication in the time that's how it

871
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,760
was going to finish. But it has a strange clarity

872
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,960
to it, A real I mean, you feel as if

873
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,199
you in when you're drinking physical dreams read anyway, but

874
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,559
it's always strange things happened. But this felt so real

875
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:07,639
as if it was actually happening to me. So yes,

876
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,519
I can think concurred that that thread there is a

877
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,360
certain level of reality within them that you just cannot

878
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:15,880
the end.

879
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 5: Of the book. I mean that has interesting significance because

880
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:23,119
you're probably aware of the research of Dean Raiding and

881
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Dick Beerman. Oh absolutely, yeah, okay, and Vminent Raiding for

882
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,599
the Listeners did a series of experiments where they flashed

883
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:35,639
photographs in front of people. Now, they actually had sensors

884
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:39,559
on persons skin. Now, effectively, if you're stressed or worried,

885
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,679
the electrolysis of the skin, the electrocity the skin reacts,

886
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,480
and they found that people would react the split second

887
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:52,320
before a photo. They see pictures of kittens and snowfields

888
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,800
and things, and then it'll be something awful, and they

889
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,599
people would anticipate their skin would react to this. But

890
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,800
this is there's more to this, because there's been a

891
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,159
series of experiments done in recent years by a guy

892
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,519
called Dylan Haynes, who is a researcher in Germany. And

893
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,440
Dylan Haynes has been working on anticipation, the fact that

894
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,719
the brain actually anticipates and does things before we've even

895
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,280
made a decision to do so. Again, people may remember

896
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,800
the Horizon TV program a few years ago featured the

897
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:32,639
work of Dylan Haynes, and you actually had a professor

898
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,400
of mathematics, Marcus D. Satoy, on the program, and Defatoy

899
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:41,239
has actually shown experiments that shows that we lag behind

900
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,639
reality by up to six seconds. And at the end

901
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:48,239
of the program, and I put this up on my

902
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,079
Facebook book wite a few weeks ago. At the end

903
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:54,760
of the program, Desatoy is sitting outside the experimental theater

904
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,639
and he said, I cannot even accept what I've just seen,

905
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:02,239
but I know it is true because I've experienced it. Now,

906
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,679
this means effectively that we can monitor the immediate future.

907
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:09,559
And we did like the seeing of the book, you know,

908
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,920
seeing the ending of the book. That's a classic example.

909
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:15,840
And people have these things happening all the time. It's

910
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,079
just people don't talk about it.

911
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got a question, and I've got a coincidence. Okay,

912
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:28,559
I was listening to one of your interviews and you

913
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,039
spoke a little bit about it, about the cat.

914
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably don't see it.

915
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 6: We watched a program called Bones on TV, and I've

916
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,800
never heard the shoulders cat, and all of a sudden

917
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,480
it's mentioned on the TV program.

918
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 5: Now, of course, the cynics of us, the skeptics around us,

919
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,679
would turn around and say, well, that's confirmation bias or

920
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,719
attention bias. In other words, you've never come across the

921
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,400
concept before, and sudden you see it everywhere. You buy

922
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,639
a new car and you have a new red Audi,

923
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,440
and then suddenly you see red Audi's everywhere, even though

924
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,719
beforehand you have not seen them because they're not they're

925
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,719
not registering. Yeah, some way, and there is a certain

926
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,280
validity to that. I won't disagree with that. You know

927
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,440
that is validity there. But effectively, it's when you have

928
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:24,079
significant coincidences, when you have two or three occasions where

929
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,360
the same thing starts coming up, that's when it starts

930
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,679
getting significant. But it is strange, I agree.

931
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,639
Speaker 2: Okay, one more question.

932
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 6: One more question is okay, Yeah, I was wondering. You

933
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:42,119
mentioned about the damon going through your life just before

934
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:45,480
the end, so like a flashback kind of thing. Could

935
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:48,119
this be the reason why a lot of well, I'll

936
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:51,440
say a lot some people see long dead relatives shortly

937
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,119
before they die.

938
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:53,159
Speaker 3: I do.

939
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:58,159
Speaker 5: Indeed, it's the actual phenomenon family enough. In my latest book,

940
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,039
The Infinite Mind, I have a whole section of these

941
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:06,000
experiences of dead relatives at the point of different things.

942
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:12,119
Is actually called a peak in Darien experiences, and I

943
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,360
think it was Myers, or it could. I mean, I

944
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,239
was one of the founders of the Society for Psychical Research,

945
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:20,280
came up with the peak in Darien experiences. And it's

946
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,599
going back to I think a poem by Keats. I think,

947
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,159
but effectively these things are quite intriguing, and I think

948
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:31,760
what happens is is when we're in certain stress states

949
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:36,679
or whatever, we seem to be able to communicate more

950
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,639
effectively with for what And I hate the perm the

951
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,280
other side, I hate to use that term. But effectively

952
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,880
we can communicate more with the orthogonal time, with the

953
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:51,280
zero point field or whatever we'd like to call it.

954
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:55,119
Because if time is an illusion, which very much in

955
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:58,000
my book The Infinite the Labyrinth of Time, I tried

956
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,360
to put across, people die in time, don't they In

957
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,840
other words, you watch somebody die and they die, but

958
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,920
in their time, they don't die because at the moment

959
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,199
they die, they fall out of time. So in your

960
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,239
universe they have died, but in their universe they're still alive,

961
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,679
they're still conscious, they're still living their life over and

962
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,440
over again. Now, there can be circumstances, I believe, where

963
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,480
there can be cross correspondency, to use a very very

964
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:30,400
emotive term from a very very famous series of research

965
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:32,360
that was actually done at the turn of the last

966
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,039
of the nineteenth to twentieth century, as correspondences that there

967
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:40,719
seems to be sometimes a kind of mirror area and

968
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,119
overlap a liminal area where you can communicate. And I

969
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,320
believe this is in the hypnogogic state. This is that

970
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,000
state when you're semi asleep semi awake. And I think

971
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:53,440
in the hypnogogic state, we can seem to with tune

972
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:56,639
into a deeper level. And I think, and it's something

973
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,719
I haven't talked about thus far, I think this is

974
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,960
some thing to do with the release of dimethyl trip

975
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:04,599
to mean in the pineal gland of the brain. Yeah,

976
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,920
and again I do the science of this, and I

977
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,559
think it's dimethyl trip to mean that actually opens up

978
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:12,480
the doors of perception and allows us to perceive the

979
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:13,960
realities behind the reality.

980
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, We've got an arfter train on the chat

981
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,320
room and he says what worries him is the weapon potential.

982
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,679
Speaker 5: The weapon potentially I'm not sure what.

983
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:27,519
Speaker 2: He means by that, unless he means that the brain

984
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:32,039
is a weapon. But he hasn't come in anything else

985
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:36,360
apart from that. But anyway, going on to deja vu. Now,

986
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,760
if that's okay, does this lesson the older we get

987
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:40,440
and why?

988
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:46,159
Speaker 5: Yes, it does. The research is very very strong on this.

989
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,880
The empirical research, the academic research is quite profound that

990
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,559
it's one of the great mysteries of I think I

991
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:57,159
should remember the name people who give the research, the

992
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:01,559
initial research for the research. As yet older, the incidence

993
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:05,440
of deja vous centivation or technically not dejo vous at all,

994
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,079
but dejah veku already lived, dejoh vu has already seen,

995
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,320
joel Kuo has already lived, tend to decrease. Now, the

996
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:19,840
reason I think this is is quite a simple one. Yeah,

997
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,800
if you are the remember the analogy I was using

998
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:28,000
before about Lara Croft running down the corridor. As you

999
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:32,480
get older and you get more life experiences and more

1000
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:36,519
demonic circumstances where the Dame of days. There will be

1001
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:39,719
a point where you've got the furthest point you got

1002
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,639
in your life last time during the game is making sense.

1003
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,199
So in other words, stay last time round. You survived

1004
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,679
until it were forty five and then you were killed

1005
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:52,480
in a car crash. If your damon staved you in

1006
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:56,159
that car crash by making you not go out that night, yeah,

1007
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,760
to go into the car crash, it means that both

1008
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,760
you and your damon are in part of the game

1009
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,440
that neither of you have experienced before. And if neither

1010
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,039
of you have experienced it before, you won't remember it,

1011
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:11,639
and if it won't remember it, there'll be no dejah

1012
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:16,440
vous sensation. Right, And that ritually makes complete and utter

1013
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:21,320
sense to me, And I think my hypothesis explains that totally.

1014
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,119
If that makes sense, Okay.

1015
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was wondering, what's the difference between dej vu.

1016
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:34,559
Speaker 5: And Okay, deja vu is already seen. Deja vu tends

1017
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,519
to be a recognition of something you see in your

1018
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:41,400
visual field. So in other words, you see something, you go, oh,

1019
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:45,960
I've seen that before, whereas dejo vecu it's more that

1020
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:51,239
overall sensation that I haven't lived this before. I have

1021
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:56,360
been in this place with these people at this time before.

1022
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:58,480
And this is one of the reasons I argue for

1023
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:01,079
people when people surround and say that DejaVu is evidence

1024
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:05,039
of reincarnation, and I say self, evidently it isn't. And

1025
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:07,000
the reason I say it is to say you're in

1026
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:11,840
I cite an example. Nathaniel Hawthorne was at an old

1027
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,199
English house called as Stanton Harcourt, and he had this

1028
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,920
amazing sensation that he'd been in that place, that house before,

1029
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,519
and he thought that this would proved that in a

1030
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,079
previous life he'd been a person that lived in that

1031
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,679
My character argument is that Nathaniel Hawthorne was standing in

1032
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,159
that room, remembering that room as it looked then, because

1033
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,960
Stanton Harcourt in medieval times would have look completely different.

1034
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:43,960
He was remembering the room as he was seeing it

1035
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:47,679
in eighteen seventy or whatever, and he was standing there

1036
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:52,719
as in his clothes, with people around him wearing the

1037
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,400
clothes of that time. So to me, to say that

1038
01:00:56,519 --> 01:01:00,320
it's evidence of reincarnation is nonsense. It's evident of the

1039
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,239
fact that you as you have been there before, subtly

1040
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,280
but importantly different, and again a vindication of the chief

1041
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,519
in the Ferryman hypothesis.

1042
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 3: No, actually, I'm quite happy what I'm hearing.

1043
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:20,639
Speaker 5: I would just like to ask something that one of

1044
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:24,159
the major explanations of dejan vous is called the Efron hypothesis,

1045
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:26,719
which is put forward by a guy called Rohodephron in

1046
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,760
nineteen sixty one. And if you read any book on

1047
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,320
psychology or on perceptional theory, is this is the hypothesis

1048
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,920
they put forward. Today this has been complained. It's called

1049
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,159
the visual hype of visual pathways hypothesis, and in basic terms,

1050
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,079
it means that your non dominant hemisphere has processed the

1051
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:48,840
visual information a split second before your dominant hemisphere has.

1052
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,599
Then the information crosses the corpus colossom and is presented

1053
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:57,000
to your everyday consciousness. You get this kind of echo. Now,

1054
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,760
what is fascinating about this is the about three three

1055
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,559
years ago a research called Akira O'Connor at the University

1056
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:07,639
of Leeds who is part of the Chris Mulon research group.

1057
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,760
There is actually a research group in the University of

1058
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,000
Leeds who just research They Jaboo by the way, the

1059
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:17,000
run by a guy called Chris Mulon. Okay Akira O'Connor

1060
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:20,800
who was researching Chris Mulon discovered people who had been

1061
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,719
born blind. They had never seen anything in their lives.

1062
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:29,440
They were congenerously blind. They had dejar SENTI I think

1063
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:35,280
it is experiences whereby they heard something again. In other words,

1064
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:38,199
they would hear somebody say something to them and hear

1065
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,079
it again. Now, what is significant about this is is

1066
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:47,199
that the neurological pathways and the neurochemical pathways of the brain,

1067
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:52,599
the visual systems works completely differently to the systems of hearing.

1068
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:55,880
In other words, the visual pathways theory is out of

1069
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,960
the water because the visual pathways theory cannot explain already

1070
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:01,159
heard because they can't.

1071
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a guest on.

1072
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:16,599
Speaker 6: Steve Johnson sometime last year, and he has precomptent dreams

1073
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,800
completely mixed up when he gets them.

1074
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 4: But as I thought, you might be interested in.

1075
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,719
Speaker 5: This very much. So, I mean, I'm very keen if

1076
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,320
there is anybody out there, or you know of anybody

1077
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:33,679
that has had precognitive dreams that they have actually recorded

1078
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,719
or they have spoken to other people about that there

1079
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,880
are witnesses to the fact. I am so keen to

1080
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:46,719
hear from them. It is profoundly important because the only

1081
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,519
way we are ever going to prove that precognition is

1082
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:55,400
an absolute reality is to give irreputable evidence to that fact.

1083
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:58,440
Of course, for the christ Frenches of this world, they

1084
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,480
will still actually throw out the raw of large numbers,

1085
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,639
but effectively, for the man in the street, that will

1086
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:07,599
be proof. You know, I don't know how many times

1087
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:10,679
people are supposed to have recognitive experiences where they're explained

1088
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:14,480
away instead of actually fake science is looking at the

1089
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:17,800
facts and evaluating the fact, not trying to come up

1090
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,400
with alternate series as to why these things occur. So,

1091
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:24,760
if anybody out there has had a precognition, please contact

1092
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,119
me on Facebook. Just look be up on Facebook Anthony

1093
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,760
Pimer I will respond I am desperately looking for proof.

1094
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:37,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, you will find on Facebook. But one of one

1095
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:40,159
of the guys in the chat room, ghost Rider, actually

1096
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:43,480
remembered this. He said that he predicted that something would

1097
01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:47,239
happen in Glasgow in December, and as we know, we

1098
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,119
had that dust cut.

1099
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:58,119
Speaker 5: Yeah with a helicopter crash, yeah right recently, oh that one, oh.

1100
01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:01,719
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, and actually know what it had been.

1101
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,079
Speaker 6: But he knew something was going to happen in Glasgow

1102
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:06,480
in December when we spoke to him.

1103
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:08,119
Speaker 4: At the time, he was still trying to work out

1104
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:10,440
all the all the signals he was getting.

1105
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:16,079
Speaker 5: This was before it took place. Yes, wow, yeah you Yes,

1106
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:18,159
I do know Steve. Steve and I were up funnily

1107
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:19,079
enough in Sterling.

1108
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's connected with him.

1109
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,719
Speaker 5: All right, I will contact Steve because it's all part

1110
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:24,880
of your magazine, hasn't it.

1111
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:30,199
Speaker 2: Yes, well, he's magazine's magazine year. He recommends us.

1112
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:34,039
Speaker 5: We did the Sterling Paranormal Festival. Great guy, great guy.

1113
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:39,159
Speaker 2: Okay, So basically we've had a good introduction to you, Anthony.

1114
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,679
It's been a brilliant show. Was there anything you want

1115
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,119
else you wanted to ask Andy?

1116
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:46,079
Speaker 5: No, at the moment, I don't think so. I think

1117
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:48,800
that it would be interesting to do it again at

1118
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,840
some time. As I said to you earlier on an

1119
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,360
hour is never long enough neither. We've only scratched the surface.

1120
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and hopefully Scott worked better next time.

1121
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 5: No, it won't believe me. This is the ark. Maybe

1122
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,039
if I put something up on Facebook about it literally

1123
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:07,960
happens every single time. It's a running joke, whether it

1124
01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:11,519
is an interview from Australia, whether it's from America, wherever

1125
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,320
it is, Skype will go down, right, so it goes

1126
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,480
down with all the RC on. It's a semi joke. Yeah,

1127
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:19,519
it happens too often.

1128
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: It's been brilliant having you on. Thank you for taking

1129
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:23,440
your time to talk to us.

1130
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 5: Thank you for giving me the time. I hope I

1131
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,119
haven't ranted on too much.

1132
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,559
Speaker 2: No, you'd be fine. We'd love to do more. Actually,

1133
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,119
but as I say, we would like to have you

1134
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:40,239
on again to sort of you know, apparently Steve Johnson's

1135
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,119
dreams are documented and Steve knows about them as well.

1136
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 5: Okay, we'll send me and then maybe put something up

1137
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,400
by the Steve or yourself, or somebody puts something up

1138
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,760
on my Facebook all about this. Sure we'll get some

1139
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,719
interesting reactions from there as well. And just for your listeners,

1140
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,719
I'm on Facebook, Anthony Peak dot com is my website.

1141
01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:01,360
Cheating the Faery dot com is my is my forum

1142
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,719
as well, to please put your experiences up there. The

1143
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,159
only way we're going to change this paradigm is by

1144
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:08,920
actually making it change, and the only way we're going

1145
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,199
to do that is by evidence and for the proof.

1146
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 2: Okay, well, thanks again, Anthony.

1147
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,159
Speaker 5: It's brilliant being delightful.

1148
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:19,559
Speaker 4: Thank you, good bye, bye bye bye, there you go.

1149
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,239
Speaker 2: So we hope you've enjoyed tonight's show and we look

1150
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,840
forward to having your company again. So basically, thank you

1151
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,079
very much for listening, thank you Andy for your input.

1152
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,920
So and we'll see you again next week. Okay, So

1153
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:39,119
until next time, it's good night for.

1154
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 4: Me, and it's good night from her, it's good night

1155
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:42,360
from him.

1156
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 3: Her.

1157
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 2: Real it's left to say is remember to keep the

1158
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:48,079
paranorm friendly.

1159
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,119
Speaker 4: Would be really, guys next week

1160
01:07:52,639 --> 01:07:53,719
Speaker 3: This is where it's at.