Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering
what the Greyload Show is about if you haven't heard
previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by
a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the
days of the KTPF radio show. They're on radio show
around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for
over three hours. I joined them in the last eighteen
months of the show's run, but eventually the guys felt
they've just about had enough. It was a monumental effort
to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It was
a wonderful show, but unfortunately they are longer involved and
the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.
So I thought it would be nice to bring them
back to life and bringing you the interviews that the
guy has conducted over those four years and include some
of the most interesting people within the world of the
paranormal and some not so well numbers that have nevertheless
still very interesting. We even have one or two rather
unusual shows, including a live salance and some other things
along those lines. Anyway, hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and
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KTPF community talk show, broadcasting live from the UK and
across the world online. My name is Suzanne, I'm Steve,
I'm Andy, and we're here keeping the paranormal friendly. We
bring you a relaxed show with no pressure, talking about
various topics from cryptozoology to UFOs, whilst encouraging our guests
and you to share information, advice and most importantly friendship.
Remember collaboration not competition. On tonight's show, can there ever
be a rationally satisfying and scientifically based explanation as to
what happens to consciousness at the point of death? Well,
we talked to consciousness. Theorist Anthony Peak. Anthony grew up
near Liver, Liverpool in England. He studied sociology and history
at the University of Warwick before attending the London School
of Economics. Prior to becoming a full time science writer,
he was a management consultant in a human resources in
the industry. He is the author of several books and
probably best known for his fascinating theory, which he termed
cheating the ferry Man. We're going to find out a
bit more about that that.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 2: Hello, are we there?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hi Anthony, finally got ya. Can you hear me okay?
Or maybe not? Hello?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Hear me? Hello? Hi?
Speaker 2: Can you hear us? Okay? Anthony?
Speaker 3: Yes, I can hear Can.
Speaker 2: You hear Andy? Okay? Can you speak Andy?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 3: Can you hear it? Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Oh brilliant. That's good, made it? Yeah, so good evening
and welcome to the show. A bit of a technical
hitch there. It always flusters me a bit. I must admit.
How are you Anthony? Are you still there? Be with me?
We're gone? Oh no, what happened?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Cool dropped again? Oh don I've lost a show as well.
We'll try again, Anthony. I'm terribly sorry about these problems.
Speaker 5: All right, it's all right. As I said, I'm absolutely
used to it.
Speaker 2: Okay, right. First of all, can you tell us a
bit about yourself?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Sure. I'm originally from Wirral, Merseyside, born there in
nineteen fifty four, an awful long time ago. Educated locally
on the World Grammar School, then went to Warwick University
degree dual degree in history and sociology, then did postgrad
at mund School of Economics, where I studied labor law
and employee relations. But really it is over the last
what ten twelve years that I've started to carve out
a career as a professional writer. I still work as
a management consultant, which I'm actually doing at the moment,
but effectively, my first love is writing, and my first
real area of interest in my writing is exactly what
is going on when people have extraordinary experiences, When people
report either encounters with ghosts, renation, past life reviews, these
kind of things, near death experiences. These are things that
have fascinated me ever since my university days, and I'm
now in the fortunate position of having written eight books
on the subject and in the process of now writing
my mind.
Speaker 2: Wow wow, So obviously this subject really grabbed you and
gave you something to think about.
Speaker 5: Well totally. I mean, one of the differences I think
you'll find with myself and many other writers in the
field is the I'm looking for explanations. What I don't
do when you read my books is give you a
series of extraordinary experiences and say, g wiz, isn't this fascinating?
What I do is I go g wiz, isn't it fascinating?
Can we now explain it scientifically? Now, for me, I
approach it from a very very standardly scientific approach, but
I approach it from the fact that let's look at
these experiences from the experiential viewpoint. In other words, people
do experience precognitions, DejaVu, sensations and such like. Let's look
at them from the point of view of science to
see if we can explain them. What tends to happen
these days with modern sciences, and it's very much a
fault of modern science is that there is a present
scientific paradigm, and if anything contradicts the present scientific paradigm,
it is literally either ignored or it is explained away.
In other words, if somebody has a precognition, were they
recognizes as an associate of mine did the crash of
concord in Paris? What they will do is they will
say that, well, people micro dream. In other words, every
night everybody has about eight to ten dreams. Therefore, if
you calculate that by the number of people on the planet,
you literally have bollions and bollions of dreams. Therefore, it
is not a tall coincidental or it is not at
all surprising that at least one person will it on
any evening have a dream in which that dream will
come true in the future. However, this associate of mine
not only had a dream of a plane crashing, but
had a specific dream of a concord plane crashing with
its back on fire in Paris or in France. Now
there's one thing. Somebody having a general dream of thinking, oh,
there's going to be a plane crash somewhere. This is
absolutely specific, and I cite the example that are there
are various examples of people who have had very, very
precise dreams. But the scientists liked to cite this thing
called the law of large numbers. And the law of
large numbers is what I've just cited now that effectively
you will attempt to explain it now. I don't know
if you've come across many many years ago. There used
to be an English illustrator called Heath Robinson, and Heath
Robinson used to do these wonderful design of these incredibly
ornate contraptions that had wheels and god knows what else
on them. I think this is Heath Robinson's science. In
other words, it's actually stretching things to the end degree,
to explain something just because within your paradigm, because it
doesn't fit within the paradigm. Many years ago, there used
to be at the time of in medieval time, everybody
was within what was called the Aristotelian worldview, which was
the teachings of were Aristotle, and effectively what they did
in those days, the scientists at the time, if it
consider the the whole world functioned on the science of Aristotle,
which are for instance, an example of this was that
the Earth is the center of the universe and everything
that revolves around the Earth. Therefore, the Sun revolves around
the Earth, and all the planets revolve around the Earth. However,
there were things that they perceived looking in the sky
where certain planets went in what was called retrograde motion.
This is where planets seem sort of going backwards backwards
across the sky when they should have been going forwards.
And they came up with these wonderful solutions called epicycles
in order to keep their scientific paradigm valid. I think
this is what's happening with science now. They are refusing
to accept a lot of the experiences, and they are
so desperate to not accept the new spis the new explanations,
the new explanations given to us by quantum physics, that
they are desperate to come up with the most incredibly
stupid and silly explanations, and they are then time and
time again, and when they failed to do that, they
just ridicule you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So when you started on your research, what
did you get out of it and how did you
feel about what you were discovering?
Speaker 5: Well, that was the pecurious thing. When I started writing,
my approach was, let us say, very materialist, reductionist, very
rooted within the present paradigm, and very much not necessarily
looking out to discredit the experiences that individual had, but
to look at them as objectively as I possibly could.
Now what has happened over the years is my position
has changed by the sheer weight of evidence from things
that have been shown to me individuals who have approached
me with their own experiences and also my own experiences
of the brain reality interfaith. Now I'll give an example
of this in one of my books, The out of
Body Experience. I very much present the case that out
of the body experiences when people consider that they are
floating outside of their body. I argue that This is
an hallucination. It's an illucination created by the brain under
certain circumstances of stress. There's something called disassociation that people
do and depersonalization when they're in very, very stressful situations,
and I believe that this is what was probably taking
place during near death experiences, because near death experiences are
extremely stressful. But I argue that what we do is
we go inside ourselves and start to actually visit alternate
locations and universes within our cells. These are not hallucinations
in the general accepted way of the term, but they
are something that you know, we just we go somewhere
else inside ourselves. But there's no evidence as far as
I was concerned at that time, that anybody ever was
able in consensual reality, consensual space, the consensual space we
share with everybody else, that they've gone outside of their body. However,
I was approached by a friend of Minel who has
now become a friend of Minael Graham Nichols, who turned
around and said, I can actually prove to you that
I not only had an out of the body experience
that was witnessed, but I actually brought back information from
the future in my out of the body experience. I
subsequently met up with Graham and if you go onto
my YouTube fight, I actually viewed Graham in London and
Graham told me that he had had an experience where
he had found himself in an out of body state.
Found himself standing at a street corner in Soho in
nineteen ninety nine, and as he was standing at the
street corner, he looked down the street and he started
floating taking place in the middle of the street, people
walking out covered in blood. It was the bombing of
the Admiral Duncan in Soho. Now, effectively, when he came
to turned down to the people who he was around him,
he turned round and he said, I have just had
a precognitive out of the body experience where I've seen
a terrorist attack in London in Soho in a specific location.
It's going to take place soon. Five days later the
Admiral Duncan bombing took place. Now for me, that was irrefutable.
There is no way people had actually written down signed
after David to say that they had witnessed Graham doing
that before the event took place. That to me was
impossible to explain. So it clearly is people do have
these experiences that are precognitive and out.
Speaker 3: Of the body.
Speaker 2: So where does the precognitive work in all of this?
Where does it come from?
Speaker 5: Precognition? Precognition for me is scientifically valid in the sense
that if you start looking into particle physics and quantum physics,
and by quantum physics, I mean the real deal, I
mean the real physics. I don't mean this kind of
wishy washing nonsense. You're getting a lot of new age
books and talking about the real physics. If you start
looking into this, you discover for some very very interesting things,
for instance, the idea that subatomic particles themselves show evidence
of recognition. For instance, there is a very phenomenon whereby
light is given off by a particle, and effectively the
particle will stop giving off light when there isn't enough,
when there's not enough at the bit a by that
available in the environment around it, and effectively it seems
to know the future now if time is not as
it seems to be. In other words, if the future
is already in existence or the future is already within
the program, and if we have time. I'll start to
discuss that a little bit later. Recognition is not at
all weird. Recognition is literally similar to if if you're
playing a computer game that you would know or somewhere
encoded within the DVB we the data system within the DVD,
the future is already there. In fact, quantum physics, a
certain dream of quantum physics called the Many World's interpretation
of quantum physics, which has recently been changed by Stephen Hawking,
and Stephen Hawking has something called has caused top down
hypothesis of quantum physics, whereby, and get this, this is
Stephen Hawking, whereby the outcome of every event that we do,
every decision we make, is already encoded in some kind
of reality program. So in other words, if you choose
to do one thing, that is that that event effectually
collapses from a statistical waste function into a real event.
If you make another choice, another event takes place. But
they're all encoded there within the future. So in which
case it is not also surprising that we can recognize
the future. It's time. It's the issue. It's not the
fact that you're seeing the future. It's because we confuse
what time is. And in fact, I wrote a book
a few years ago called elabyrinth of time, trying to
explain the science and physics of time, taking into account recognition.
Speaker 2: Right now, you wrote a book about the Damon. Now
we hear a lot about Avatar and that sort of
thing and the matrix and stuff like that. Where does
this all fit in?
Speaker 5: The Gaman is my second book, The dam and a
Guide to Extraordinaries it self, and it came out of
something that intrigued me as part of my research for
my first book, because effectively my first book is The
Life after Death. Extraordinary Science of what happens when we
die was an attempt to explain near death experiences in
a logical and national way, In other words, to explain
an after life that doesn't contradict modern scientific knowledge. Now
one of the things in it. And then if we
get the chance, we can discuss my choosing the burying hypothesis.
But effectively one of the central concerts now I need
to probably explain my chief in the frame teaching. Fernemen
basically suggests that the final seconds of your life you
fall out of time. There is a group of neurochemicals
that are released in the brain that actually slow down
your concept of time. Most people out there will have
probably had similar experience where you've been in a car
crash or you've been given bad news when time seems
to slow down. Now, this is what's called the glue
to make flood and glueso made is the major neurotransmitter
of the Mamaelian brain. And one of the things that
we know glue to mat does is slows down time.
It slows down your subjective experience of time. Now, imagine
if you're dying. One of the things that people say
when they have neo death experience is that time slows down.
It's one of the it's called the moody typologies that
Ray in the movie The Guy that First Came Across
created the concept of the neo death experience back in
nineteen sixty nine. Had a series of hypology and one
of them was this idea of time slowing down. But
one of the other things that when time slows down.
People also reported something called a panoramic life review. And
this is the concept that my life flashed before my eyes.
Here it reported time and time again, particularly people who
are in situations where they know they're going to die,
when they can see a car crash up ahead, or
they're a mountain climber that's fallen off a cliff, or
they're drowning. This panoramic life review where somebody sees in
a split steck and every single event in their life
it just goes in front of them and like this
kind of holographic recreation of their lives. I suggested in
Chieving the Ferrymen that in a real death experience, rather
than the near death experience, your life doesn't flash before
your eyes. You live it in a literal recreation, second
by second recreation of your life. In the final second
of your life, and when you come to the end
of that second life, the same thing happened again and
again and again. It's like groundhog Day the movie. Now,
what I suggest is that when you go and live
your the life for the second time, there's something different. And
there's something different is the fact that there is a
part of you that will remember the fact you've lived
this life before. I call this part of you the damon.
The damon is the part of you that has lived
your life many many times. And your life is like
a computer game. You know, if you've played a game
such as in my generation, it was things like Tom
Rader in Tim Rader. You have on the screen. You
have your on screen screen avatar, your Lara Croft. But
the first time you played the game, Lara appears on
the screen and Lara, as far as Laura is concerned,
she's just been reborn. She's come from nowhere. She's just
a conscious you know. Imagine Lara is conscious on the screen.
She just suddenly appears in this cave. Doesn't have any history,
doesn't have any past. But you're the game player, Okay.
Lara runs down the corridor and she gets goes down
a corridor and gets eaten by a monster. The game
player then starts the game again, and Lara is reborn
again without any memories of the past game. But the
game player does remember. So Lara runs down the corridor,
and for some reason, Lara, within her viewpoint, from the
viewpoint of the avatar, suddenly thinks something makes her run
down in another direction to avoid the monster. She doesn't
know why she's done it, that she's just had this
inkling or feeling. Now, this is what happens with the Damon.
In your second rerun of your Life. The Damon remembers
and it warns you it'll be a voice in your
head it will be an inkling, it will be a sensation. Now,
the creature on the screen, the person that's embodied in
the computer program in the game of life, is the
eedle On. We are all Eiderlon You and I are
all Eiderlons. We are embodied within the game. But our
damon is the game player, the being that's part of us,
that's outside of the game. Now, the daemon and the
aid of terms are quite specific. I take them from
a particular religious belief and called Gnostracism. And the Gnostics
were a very schismatic religious belief group that were around
well effectively around the second or third centuries AD, and
continued and continued as a belief system right out through
the Centuriesism is still a belief system. The Cathars, the
Kathari were a Gnostic belief system. And these guys very
much argue that there are two of us in your head.
There are two people who's your Damon and your Aidelon.
So many of your listeners will equate the daemon with
being your spirit guide, your guardian angel, you name it.
But throughout history these events have taken place. Socrates had
a damon and he talked about it and in the
book The Damon, I cite example after example throughout history
and examples from people who wrote to me after my
first book who'd had a demonic influences in their life
that had actually saved their lives very quickly. Is what
the demon?
Speaker 2: And are right? Okay? Best GPS has just asked, is
it our intuition? But you've basically said that. You've just
answered that one, Steve. You've got some questions. Hi, Anthony,
can you hear me?
Speaker 5: Yep? I can just about yeah.
Speaker 6: Okay, so sorry, but I'm a bit far away from
the funt. What you describe as the daemon and how
it all works is very similar to a piece of
work called nossau lah via a doctor Andre Lutz, and
this was written after his death by automatic writing by
Francisco Candid Xavier. It's a very long switches to about
eight volumes, but he says that we need to reincarnate
several times to gain wisdom and experience to complete the
human crest.
Speaker 5: Make a difference between what you've just suggested and what
I suggest is you do not reincarnate as other people, right, okay, okay?
And this very very important point and the reason I
make this point is and I will explain, this is
reincarnation as this is normally understood, is pointless. The reason being,
if I am reincarnated as somebody else with all my
memories wiped clean, and I don't remember who I was
in my previous life, and I'm reborn as somebody else
in a different culture and a different environment and a
different timescale, how am I learning anything? Not? In other words,
I don't remember. We learn from our mistakes now. The
thing is, with the Damon Adelon model, you are reborn
as yourself. In other words, you are given the opportunity
to right the wrongs you did in your previous life,
as Connors does in Groundhog Day. In other words, this
is not It is reincarnation, but in a totally different way.
There is no no scientific way in which a consciousness
can re embody itself in another consciousness miles away or
at a different time, unless consciousness there's a field of
contentiousness outside that we all we're all part of now.
In my latest book that I've co written with Professor
Irvin Ladlow, this is one of the viewpoints we take.
But I argue that when you have a reincarnation or
a life memory of a previous life. That wasn't you.
You're tuning into the field. You're tuning into the zero
point field, the information field, and in which case it's
like tuning into a radio program. You go through all
the wavelet the frequencies, and you'll tune into something. Yeah,
so that wasn't you. You are you and you are
reborn as you. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Beth is asking who what or who made both?
Who does the program in and it sounds a bit
like Cabbala, the Cabala.
Speaker 5: To an extent, it is Cabala in the sense that
in my book The Infinite Minefield, which came out two
years ago, I discussed in great detail Kabbala and the
model within Kabbala, who did the programming in cabal that
it would be considered the aori in soft Okay, but effectively,
I argue, or I don't argue. A lot of other
people argue, this is that the program has been programmed
by humanity in the future. Okay, it's crazy and sounds mad,
but it's not if you start to think about it rationally.
If human beings do not destroy themselves in nuclear war
or pointless religious strife for anything, else and we survive,
there's going to be one or two things that are
going to happen. Computing is going to increase in the
same way as it does now. It's called Moore's law
and More's law. More's law in general terms is every
two years, the ability we have to compute the computing
capacity we have doubles. It's recently moved to about three years.
But if you extrapolate that to about two or two
or three hundred years in the future, it is perfectly
reasonable to conclude that our distant ancestors will have sufficient
computing the ability to recreate history and recreate in a
program the history of humanity. Within that history of humanity,
there will be people who could be sentient, in which
case we then have something very interesting. Now, again this
is not my idea. This was put forward originally by
a book, a book called The Physics of Immortality by
a guy called Frank Tippler, who is one of the
word I think it was Frank Tipler. I maybe creative
that I think it was Tipler, but one of the
world's leading theoretical particle physicists. So again, this is not
the guy down the pub It's not the new age guru.
It's not the guy channeling rubbish from the planet farg.
This is the real deal. This is real science. Ye okay. Now,
there's been recent work done, but work done by pleeple
like Juan Maldacana and various other individuals who are actually
showing that the reality we live within is holographic. Not
only is it holographic, but it's actually created as a huge,
huge holog Now again people out there will be saying, oh,
utter nonsense, it makes no sense. Well it does. Actually,
Stephen Hawking has been working on this. There's something called
Hawking radiation, and Hawking radiation is radiation that's given off
by a black hole. Now I don't have time to
go into detail about this, but an awful lot of individuals,
people like Jacob Beckstein and other individuals, real, real researchers,
have actually said that there is evidence to presume that
the whole of three dimensional reality is being projected from
the edges of space in towards us. This works as
a holographic principle, So in which case is everything is holographic.
Everything works on information. And again I say to people,
don't take my word for this. There's a guy called
let Cover Drell one of the world's leading particle physicists.
He's Professor of theoretical physics in the University of Singapore.
He's written a book two or three years ago suggesting
that the universe is made up of information, digital information.
We are living within a digital information simulation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we like the matrix. Like the matrix.
Speaker 5: It's exactly like the matrix.
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 5: One of the arguments the philosophers have used for the
years is something called the concept of the zeitgeist, the
idea that we subliminally seem to know what is happening now.
I argue that there is an awful lot of movies.
I love my movies, and there's an awful lot of
movies that have been out in recent years that are
actually dealing with this sitegeist, this belfgeist, this idea. The
matrix is just one of a myriad of movies. For instance,
if you look at Inception, an inception about lucid dreaming
and go further into the lucid dreaming state. Very recently Interstellar.
When I saw the movie Interstellar, I was absolutely stunned
because the final sequences of Interstellar are absolutely what I
talk about in my book The Infinite Minefield, you know
the bit what he's looking through the past and he
sees his daughter and he sees all the different levels.
That is actually literally what they were trying to do
and what Christopher Nolan, the director, was trying to do
in that. He was trying to show how you perceive
time from the fifth dimension, from looking outside of time
by looking at what's called orthogonal time, realizing that everything
that is happening is happening now that time is an illusion.
It's created by the brain in order to, as one
scientist one said, to stop everything happening at once, because
that's what it does do.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, we've got and here I'm hoping you can hear.
Speaker 3: Oh right, you.
Speaker 7: Just want to go back a little bit. So talking
about earlier on I'm actually what's the interview with you?
Earlier this afternoon and we're talking about the ESH. I
can never get this right the records now, I'm very
much I'm psychotherapist from the Young in background, and to me,
there's a lot of similarity I think in that and
Young's Collective Unconscious.
Speaker 3: I would had any thoughts on that.
Speaker 5: No, absolutely totally. I mean Young's collective unconscious. I mean
I'm a huge fan of Young. I always have been.
I think Young was one of the most radical thinkers.
I mean, what would argue that he wasn't necessarily being scientific,
but what he was being was being analyzing literally the
human experience, I mean effectively. You know I was touching
on earlier on about the Damon and the Adlon. I
mean he had his own Damon.
Speaker 7: Didn't he Absolutely, I was just putting that and for
him or doubt the fact he had the second person
out of the intelligent one if you like, that knew
everything even when he was a young child.
Speaker 5: So yes, yeah, so Young himself and I was it. Oh,
I can't think of the name now. Was that the
character that guided him on Pelomon?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Filamon? Yeah, so Young had his Philomon. But
the collective unconscious and the acashtic field are the same thing.
The acasta. The reason that Irving Laslow and that latterly
myself and irv In Lady use the term the Akashic
field is because the acasha is something from the lead,
as something from the the the the the theoretical philosophical
basis of Hinduism.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I was buying myself, so.
Speaker 5: Yees with information and everything that ever is and everything
that ever could be is already encoded in there. It's
it's something. One of my favorite lights writers Jorge Borges,
who was a young and could have mentioned this in
his book and short story The Lab, the Library of
Babel or the Library of Babel, the idea that there
is an information field. And again Laslow and I do
the science of this. What we do is we we
suggest a model whereby the akasha can be considered to
be equal all two the zero point field within within
quantum physics, and the idea that empty space is not
empty space at all, it is not a vacuumated plenum.
An yeah, full of information. Like David Bowe.
Speaker 7: Said, absolutely, yes, certainly when we're going to watch this
trip earlier on today and our fland myself in agreement
of a lot of the things you were saying, and
tonight as well. Definitely they can think very similarly. Just
a little quick point I thought you might find interesting.
You mentioned on the video clip about eleven eleven getting
something you keep bumping into.
Speaker 5: Yes, I do, I do. Eleven eleven is I have
I have mixed opinions about this, the rational part of
me says that we're bound to see as the numbers
eleven eleven on any digital playback for one reason. Eleven
eleven the only numbers you're going to see on any
kind of digital dial that are straight up, straight up
and down. Yeah, a vertical. Now, if we argue that
when we evolved, when we were down in central Africa,
in the plains of Africa, we would have evolved on
a plane. So therefore anything that is actually vertical to
the horizon, horizontal, vertical to the horizon, would be considered
to be a threat. So therefore we see it. So
therefore eleven eleven would be something we would spot, and
we would spot just by just noticing it. You know,
it could be subliminal and it would be a reaction
to it. However, my wife pointed out something to me
about this, and my wife is extremely rational, but she said,
you've missed the biggest eleven eleven and in your life,
but you haven't seen that is nothing to do with
digital readoubts the ball and it is quite weird. It's
the title of My first book is The Life After Death,
the Dutch edition, because most of my books have been
published in many foreign languages, but it's the Dutch edition.
And the Dutch edition of is Their Life after Death
is called eleven eleven eleven h and it means life
after life after life in dudge. Yes, and I thought, whoo,
now that cannot be explained.
Speaker 4: That's a booky that is weird, isn't that?
Speaker 7: I also have my own experience for eleven eleven. I
used to be back in many, many years ago when
I was at school in a band and I used
to be the singer, and I wrote the lyrics for
a song called eleven eleven am. And it was something
that myself and my friend in the band was something
about that time, used to look at our watches and
five was eleven eleven, and to write a song about it.
It's another little coincidence there.
Speaker 5: It'd be interesting to know what the lyrics were of that,
as well as to whether there was anything any kind
of subliminal Youngian synchronistic messages within Max. Of course, Young himself,
as you know, was fascinated by synchronicity.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, as am I actually very much right if.
Speaker 5: You'll know about the work keepers before going pauly m hmm.
Absolutely for this, you know, and again for the listeners
out there who are not aware revolang Pauley, and I mean,
I'm accused of name dropping by the way, I would argue,
I'm not name dropping. I'm citing my sources. Subtle but
important difference. And remember, guys, this isn't scripted, you know.
You know, if people think I'm just madly reading from
notes here, I'm not. But Wolfgang Pauley was fascinated by synchronisity,
and Wulfgang Pauley was Pauley's exclusion principle, which is one
of the leading things to do with particle physics from
the nineteen thirties. So this guy was a serious physicist.
He was a serious mathematician. But even as a serious mathematician,
he was intrigued by synchronicity. Not coincidences, but significant synchronicities.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely yes.
Speaker 7: It was incredious event whereby the two things appear to occur,
that our simultaneous are closely linked, but there's no cause
or link between them. The classic story was Young talking
to one of his clients where she was talking about
having injective of an Egyptian beetle, and one then banged
into the window of Young's house at the same time
she was talking about it. Absolutely no reason why the
two adventure occurs at the same time. Ethnic clearly was
some kind of strange link linkage or synchronicid is we
call it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, the scarab beetle and the way the
scarab beetle actually was correct. That was outside the window
trying to get in.
Speaker 3: That's it exactly.
Speaker 7: Is sort of tapped onto the hit the glass and
sort of sat on the windows while the surprises it
said an't NOOI she was just talking about every of this.
Speaker 5: Now, I would argue that synchronicities, I call them synchronipodies,
by the way, are things that, as many made people say,
there are kind of almost the universe or almost. If
we argue that the classic Copenhagen interpretation of particle physics
that a statistical wave is collapsed into a point particle
by the act of observation by its sentient minds, effectively,
it means that we create our own reality by observing it.
We bring it into existence from a statistical probability. Now,
if that is the case, which is not at all surprising,
the coincidences take place. In fact, I'm prize that synchronicities
don't occur more because they do, and the more you
notice them, the more odds they become. Now others would argue,
and again the dismisses of all this will turn around
and say, it's attention bias, it's confirmation bias. These are
wonderful terms that scientists use to discredit these things. We're
again getting again back to the epicycle, and these epic
cycles these days are like attention bias or confirmation virus.
You're looking for the coincidence. They will find them. But
the thing is I find with coden is that you're
not looking for them. That's what's wonderful about them. You
suddenly go whoo, and then you see the coincident, and
then sometimes you actually do the joke. Yeah, isn't it
the cosmic joker?
Speaker 7: Yes, So basically almost like a laugh of your xanti.
I mean, I can give a few examples myself with
my own work as a therapist. You know, there are
occasions when I get up in the morning think something's
going to be wrong today, and then someone doesn't turn up,
or there's an issue and you just feel it.
Speaker 3: You know something's going on.
Speaker 7: You think is it just a considance or is there
something bigger to it I'm actually picking up upon.
Speaker 5: So yeah, okay, yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, yes, yes, I was listening to one to
one of your interviews and you were going tell us
about the Damon and going through like deja vu, and
I was wondering, if you believe that we are all energy,
and then there can be many verses versions of ourselves
are different units, universes or time frames. Could it be
that me here and me there are just communicating with ourselves. Yeah,
and that's why we get deja vu and precognition.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think there's probably two things I've yet to
really come to a conclusion on this, and it's one
of the areas of research I'm following upon. Is this
idea of multiple personnelities, universes and multiple versions of the film.
And are the deja vu stag brought about by the
Damon effectively as the Damon stimulated dejah vu? Or is
a deja VU's simple effect? And going back remember to
my treating the Ferryman hypothesis, if we've all lived this
life before, and then if it isn't at all surprising
that on occasions are idle On are embodied within the
game entity or avatar within the game will will sometimes
suddenly recognize something and will go Whoo, I've done this before,
and then can recognize what is going to happen next
from the memories. Now, I don't know if you're a werd,
but I've actually written recently a biography of the American
science fiction writer Philip K. Dick, and in this I
discussed because Philip K. Dick, for me, was the embodiment
of an awful lot of my hypothesis, or as my
critics would say, my speculations with in terms of this,
because Philip K. Dick showed evidence of future precognitions, but
also showed evidence that he actually was able to feed
back to his earlier self the plot lines of his
short stories and his novels, which I found absolutely uncanny.
In other words, he was, in some kind of subliminal
way and in some kind of hitmen the gogic state,
was able to back give him his younger self messages
about plot lines. There's two or three examples of this
which we don't have time to go into at the moment,
but Philip K. Dick himself acknowledged this and found it
very very curious. Events that happened in his life in
the late nineteen early nineteen seventies. He then found written
in books that he'd written in the early nineteen sixties,
even to the name and the circumstances. Now, that's curious.
This again shows that time is not what we say.
And again Philip A. Dick execute this call this orthogonal
time not original in terms of that. A lot of
other people, individuals like J. W. Done in his experiment
with time books, very much discussed exactly the same kind
of concept. Time is orthogonal. In other words, time run
from past, from future to present the past, you know,
in a like a river flowing, as Marcus Darelli has
called it. But effectively there's also time that runs off
time orthogonal. And again, going back to the movie Interstella,
that's exactly the location that the central character found himself
looking into when he was in that kind of time
loop at the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I absolutely.
Speaker 7: Last week I thought that came to be there was
if we were actually and just be doing with our
own ideas and concepts within ourselves, rather than sort of
being able to coognize and send back to ourselves real
world events around us just our concepts and ideas. Otherwise,
just put something joking into our chat room. You could
send back the lottery numbers to yourself, and there's no
one's done that. Then it probably doesn't work. But it
must therefore be just what you know of yourself to yourself,
and that the Philip be a dick example, would be
obviously his own ideas, his stories to himself, rather than
being sort of anything from external world around him.
Speaker 5: That's an interesting point that as to why we don't
backfeed information that could make you rich or wealthy or
something like that, you know, like lottery winners. There have
been examples of people who have dreamed lottery winners. It
has happened. There is the famous case of the guy
that actually predicted a whole series of horses horse races
that were going to win, and he had a series
of dreams whereby the dreams came true and he had
actually put bets on things. But look at this another way.
If you're damon, no the outcome of a lot of
the decisions you've made, because it has lived many of
your life before. Because it is possible that your damon
has already experienced a lot of potential streams that you
could follow in your life. I'm reminded here if anybody's
seen the movie Butterfly Effects. In Butterfly Effect, the central
character goes back in time to change. And remember, this
is interesting something I haven't pointed on here. I'm fascinated
by temporo epilepsy. Okay, templeover epilepsy and the associated prodrones
with that. Now, one of the things that people have
templeover epilepsy that they claim they can talk to their
damon thelaim and they can talk to other people. But
in that movie, the guy inherits from his father an illness,
that illness is clearly temporob epilepsy. It has a seizure
and he goes back to a point in his past
where he tries to change what he did, and he
seeks the outcome of that decision as a damon. The
outcome of the decision sometimes isn't very good. So what
makes seem at the time to be a good decision
to make spins off into things that could be very
very negative and very very bad. But again, the Time
Traveler's Wife is another example of this. The novel and
the movie again perceives this. We also have something similar
in the TV Theories Passed Forward that was on a
few years ago. Again, the idea of alternate reality, of
alternate futures with different outcomes to different events. Now it
could be that if your damon knows there's already in
the lottery and it ends terribly ahead, I'm sorry, where
so far ahead? Oh? I haven't seen that? Is this
the one where somebody has a very very short term recognition.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And initially I think it's only two minutes,
but you can see a lot way ahead. And in
the movie he kind of splits himself up into lots
of different people to check different areas from seeing ahead
of himself.
Speaker 5: Well, we know this. This this theme has been used
as well recently in the latest Tom Cruise movie. And
I can't think of the title of it. But all
these movies are actually, interestingly enough, as an assign are
very much based upon one particular novel written by a
Russian philosopher called Peter Ospensky called The Life of Ivan Ahsokin,
and Ospensky was fascinated by the idea that, like myself,
that we live off the same life over and over
again and again. Ospensky's ideas are quite intriguing. Again, he
does the science of this. Ospensky unlike myself because he
didn't have the ability, because of circumstances lived within to
know about computing. How the Many World's interpretation would be
presented in nineteen fifty seven by whoever at the third
He didn't know about this. So when he was writing,
he believed that we lived the same life over and
over again. And it's again a play on of course,
the philosophers out there will say this is this is
Frederick Nietzsche, and of course had the same in his
book The gay Ion Turnaround, said that we live the
same life over and over and over again. It's called
the eternal recurrence, the eternal return. It has been something
that has been known within philosophy and something that's been
known within certain religious groups for centuries millennia. So there's
nothing new I'm writing about here. No, I'm very aware
of the historical background, the philosophical backgrounds of these concepts.
But what I'm doing is I'm adapting them and incorporating
into them the knowledge that we have now of particle physics.
Zero point Field Kastrick Field, the top Die hypothesis of
particle physics the idea of universe stimulation. It's only now
that we can pull the pieces together and pull the
dots together.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now when it comes to the demon, how can
we guarantee our stay safe for kick in?
Speaker 5: How can we guarantee.
Speaker 2: What stay safe for kick in?
Speaker 5: Korry? I missed that again, the stay safe, stay safe?
We can't. But the very fact I'll turn around for you,
and I'll turn around. I do this in my talks.
Isn't it strange that every single person listening to this,
every single person in the studio there is alive. You've
seen other people die, you have seen circumstances where you
might have been close to death, but you've survived it
because this is your universe, and your universe needs you
as a perceiver and as an observer to continue surviving.
So therefore, your damon is very very active in your life.
In this of your life, it has made you survive
thus far. Okay, now again people will turn around and
say what nonsense he's talking, And I'll turn around and
I'll say, look up the work of a Swedish American
quantum physicist whose name has just escaped me. How annoying
It will come back to me. But he has something
called the quantum suicide thought experiment. Oh, and he uses
and he extrapolates, Max teg Mark. Okay, he extrapolates from
the Schrodinger's cat brought experiment of Irwin Schrodinger. He takes
Schrodinger's cat and extrapolates that to a personal point of
view that proves that we are all immortal within our
own worldview. Again, this is a top quantum physicist. This
is not the new age. Not to down the pub
This is the real deal. And again, if anybody's interested
in this, just look it up. Look it up on Google.
Quantum Suicide experiment, Max Tegmark. Now again you can prove
that this is your universe. You are collapsing the wave
function of your universe. This is why you are still here.
And indeed, this is why you're listening to me speaking now,
because this is profoundly important that we are all communicating
as entities within our own what we know as the fanneron,
which is something called Pierce, an American philosopher, called your
own worldview, and we are interfacing with each other as
waves on an ocean, and effectively, we are all here
to teach each other the ideas and thoughts and everything
else that we have. So again, your damon is very
very effective. Now again, in my book The Dame and
a Guide to Extraordinary Secret Itself, I fight many many
examples of people who had written to me after my
first book from around the world who were saying that, wow,
it happened to me. I've had examples of people whose
lives have been saved in the most extraordinary circumstance local
to you. For instance, one guy wrote to me and
he was living in South Wirral and he was driving
along the Chester high Road and he went along the
side road off the Chester high Road and as he
was driving along the road, his arm turned his vehicle
into the ditch for no reason whatsoever, as a lorry
came thundering down the middle of the road in front
of them. Now, site, the cynics and the skeptics can
preach till the cows come home. That guy knows that
something saved his life. He is absolutely convinced, and he
knows empirically from experience that something saved his life. And
he's just one of many examples.
Speaker 2: Now we've got a question in the chat room from T.
TGH going back to the dreams. He says, what happens
to the millions of dreams that don't come true.
Speaker 4: Because they're dreams?
Speaker 5: I mean, effectively, a precognitive dream A Graham Graham Nichols,
my associate in this, says, he calls it the Cyrillian effect.
A precognitive dream has a totally different feel to it. Yes, absolutely,
I remember, because the dreams you don't remember. But there's
something very tangible, very physically real. He calls it the
Cerrillian effect because when he has out of the body
experiences that are precognitive, there's a tinge to the urr
around him, which is a kind of a blue tinge,
and he knows from that that this is likely to
be precognitive.
Speaker 7: Yes, I was disagreeing that the nature of those kind
of dreams. I've had one to myself over the years.
One of the strangest one was I actually dreamt the end.
Speaker 3: Of a book. I was reading a novel.
Speaker 7: Then, and it ended the way I dreamt it, and
it was real indication in the time that's how it
was going to finish. But it has a strange clarity
to it, A real I mean, you feel as if
you in when you're drinking physical dreams read anyway, but
it's always strange things happened. But this felt so real
as if it was actually happening to me. So yes,
I can think concurred that that thread there is a
certain level of reality within them that you just cannot
the end.
Speaker 5: Of the book. I mean that has interesting significance because
you're probably aware of the research of Dean Raiding and
Dick Beerman. Oh absolutely, yeah, okay, and Vminent Raiding for
the Listeners did a series of experiments where they flashed
photographs in front of people. Now, they actually had sensors
on persons skin. Now, effectively, if you're stressed or worried,
the electrolysis of the skin, the electrocity the skin reacts,
and they found that people would react the split second
before a photo. They see pictures of kittens and snowfields
and things, and then it'll be something awful, and they
people would anticipate their skin would react to this. But
this is there's more to this, because there's been a
series of experiments done in recent years by a guy
called Dylan Haynes, who is a researcher in Germany. And
Dylan Haynes has been working on anticipation, the fact that
the brain actually anticipates and does things before we've even
made a decision to do so. Again, people may remember
the Horizon TV program a few years ago featured the
work of Dylan Haynes, and you actually had a professor
of mathematics, Marcus D. Satoy, on the program, and Defatoy
has actually shown experiments that shows that we lag behind
reality by up to six seconds. And at the end
of the program, and I put this up on my
Facebook book wite a few weeks ago. At the end
of the program, Desatoy is sitting outside the experimental theater
and he said, I cannot even accept what I've just seen,
but I know it is true because I've experienced it. Now,
this means effectively that we can monitor the immediate future.
And we did like the seeing of the book, you know,
seeing the ending of the book. That's a classic example.
And people have these things happening all the time. It's
just people don't talk about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got a question, and I've got a coincidence. Okay,
I was listening to one of your interviews and you
spoke a little bit about it, about the cat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably don't see it.
Speaker 6: We watched a program called Bones on TV, and I've
never heard the shoulders cat, and all of a sudden
it's mentioned on the TV program.
Speaker 5: Now, of course, the cynics of us, the skeptics around us,
would turn around and say, well, that's confirmation bias or
attention bias. In other words, you've never come across the
concept before, and sudden you see it everywhere. You buy
a new car and you have a new red Audi,
and then suddenly you see red Audi's everywhere, even though
beforehand you have not seen them because they're not they're
not registering. Yeah, some way, and there is a certain
validity to that. I won't disagree with that. You know
that is validity there. But effectively, it's when you have
significant coincidences, when you have two or three occasions where
the same thing starts coming up, that's when it starts
getting significant. But it is strange, I agree.
Speaker 2: Okay, one more question.
Speaker 6: One more question is okay, Yeah, I was wondering. You
mentioned about the damon going through your life just before
the end, so like a flashback kind of thing. Could
this be the reason why a lot of well, I'll
say a lot some people see long dead relatives shortly
before they die.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: Indeed, it's the actual phenomenon family enough. In my latest book,
The Infinite Mind, I have a whole section of these
experiences of dead relatives at the point of different things.
Is actually called a peak in Darien experiences, and I
think it was Myers, or it could. I mean, I
was one of the founders of the Society for Psychical Research,
came up with the peak in Darien experiences. And it's
going back to I think a poem by Keats. I think,
but effectively these things are quite intriguing, and I think
what happens is is when we're in certain stress states
or whatever, we seem to be able to communicate more
effectively with for what And I hate the perm the
other side, I hate to use that term. But effectively
we can communicate more with the orthogonal time, with the
zero point field or whatever we'd like to call it.
Because if time is an illusion, which very much in
my book The Infinite the Labyrinth of Time, I tried
to put across, people die in time, don't they In
other words, you watch somebody die and they die, but
in their time, they don't die because at the moment
they die, they fall out of time. So in your
universe they have died, but in their universe they're still alive,
they're still conscious, they're still living their life over and
over again. Now, there can be circumstances, I believe, where
there can be cross correspondency, to use a very very
emotive term from a very very famous series of research
that was actually done at the turn of the last
of the nineteenth to twentieth century, as correspondences that there
seems to be sometimes a kind of mirror area and
overlap a liminal area where you can communicate. And I
believe this is in the hypnogogic state. This is that
state when you're semi asleep semi awake. And I think
in the hypnogogic state, we can seem to with tune
into a deeper level. And I think, and it's something
I haven't talked about thus far, I think this is
some thing to do with the release of dimethyl trip
to mean in the pineal gland of the brain. Yeah,
and again I do the science of this, and I
think it's dimethyl trip to mean that actually opens up
the doors of perception and allows us to perceive the
realities behind the reality.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, We've got an arfter train on the chat
room and he says what worries him is the weapon potential.
Speaker 5: The weapon potentially I'm not sure what.
Speaker 2: He means by that, unless he means that the brain
is a weapon. But he hasn't come in anything else
apart from that. But anyway, going on to deja vu. Now,
if that's okay, does this lesson the older we get
and why?
Speaker 5: Yes, it does. The research is very very strong on this.
The empirical research, the academic research is quite profound that
it's one of the great mysteries of I think I
should remember the name people who give the research, the
initial research for the research. As yet older, the incidence
of deja vous centivation or technically not dejo vous at all,
but dejah veku already lived, dejoh vu has already seen,
joel Kuo has already lived, tend to decrease. Now, the
reason I think this is is quite a simple one. Yeah,
if you are the remember the analogy I was using
before about Lara Croft running down the corridor. As you
get older and you get more life experiences and more
demonic circumstances where the Dame of days. There will be
a point where you've got the furthest point you got
in your life last time during the game is making sense.
So in other words, stay last time round. You survived
until it were forty five and then you were killed
in a car crash. If your damon staved you in
that car crash by making you not go out that night, yeah,
to go into the car crash, it means that both
you and your damon are in part of the game
that neither of you have experienced before. And if neither
of you have experienced it before, you won't remember it,
and if it won't remember it, there'll be no dejah
vous sensation. Right, And that ritually makes complete and utter
sense to me, And I think my hypothesis explains that totally.
If that makes sense, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was wondering, what's the difference between dej vu.
Speaker 5: And Okay, deja vu is already seen. Deja vu tends
to be a recognition of something you see in your
visual field. So in other words, you see something, you go, oh,
I've seen that before, whereas dejo vecu it's more that
overall sensation that I haven't lived this before. I have
been in this place with these people at this time before.
And this is one of the reasons I argue for
people when people surround and say that DejaVu is evidence
of reincarnation, and I say self, evidently it isn't. And
the reason I say it is to say you're in
I cite an example. Nathaniel Hawthorne was at an old
English house called as Stanton Harcourt, and he had this
amazing sensation that he'd been in that place, that house before,
and he thought that this would proved that in a
previous life he'd been a person that lived in that
My character argument is that Nathaniel Hawthorne was standing in
that room, remembering that room as it looked then, because
Stanton Harcourt in medieval times would have look completely different.
He was remembering the room as he was seeing it
in eighteen seventy or whatever, and he was standing there
as in his clothes, with people around him wearing the
clothes of that time. So to me, to say that
it's evidence of reincarnation is nonsense. It's evident of the
fact that you as you have been there before, subtly
but importantly different, and again a vindication of the chief
in the Ferryman hypothesis.
Speaker 3: No, actually, I'm quite happy what I'm hearing.
Speaker 5: I would just like to ask something that one of
the major explanations of dejan vous is called the Efron hypothesis,
which is put forward by a guy called Rohodephron in
nineteen sixty one. And if you read any book on
psychology or on perceptional theory, is this is the hypothesis
they put forward. Today this has been complained. It's called
the visual hype of visual pathways hypothesis, and in basic terms,
it means that your non dominant hemisphere has processed the
visual information a split second before your dominant hemisphere has.
Then the information crosses the corpus colossom and is presented
to your everyday consciousness. You get this kind of echo. Now,
what is fascinating about this is the about three three
years ago a research called Akira O'Connor at the University
of Leeds who is part of the Chris Mulon research group.
There is actually a research group in the University of
Leeds who just research They Jaboo by the way, the
run by a guy called Chris Mulon. Okay Akira O'Connor
who was researching Chris Mulon discovered people who had been
born blind. They had never seen anything in their lives.
They were congenerously blind. They had dejar SENTI I think
it is experiences whereby they heard something again. In other words,
they would hear somebody say something to them and hear
it again. Now, what is significant about this is is
that the neurological pathways and the neurochemical pathways of the brain,
the visual systems works completely differently to the systems of hearing.
In other words, the visual pathways theory is out of
the water because the visual pathways theory cannot explain already
heard because they can't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a guest on.
Speaker 6: Steve Johnson sometime last year, and he has precomptent dreams
completely mixed up when he gets them.
Speaker 4: But as I thought, you might be interested in.
Speaker 5: This very much. So, I mean, I'm very keen if
there is anybody out there, or you know of anybody
that has had precognitive dreams that they have actually recorded
or they have spoken to other people about that there
are witnesses to the fact. I am so keen to
hear from them. It is profoundly important because the only
way we are ever going to prove that precognition is
an absolute reality is to give irreputable evidence to that fact.
Of course, for the christ Frenches of this world, they
will still actually throw out the raw of large numbers,
but effectively, for the man in the street, that will
be proof. You know, I don't know how many times
people are supposed to have recognitive experiences where they're explained
away instead of actually fake science is looking at the
facts and evaluating the fact, not trying to come up
with alternate series as to why these things occur. So,
if anybody out there has had a precognition, please contact
me on Facebook. Just look be up on Facebook Anthony
Pimer I will respond I am desperately looking for proof.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you will find on Facebook. But one of one
of the guys in the chat room, ghost Rider, actually
remembered this. He said that he predicted that something would
happen in Glasgow in December, and as we know, we
had that dust cut.
Speaker 5: Yeah with a helicopter crash, yeah right recently, oh that one, oh.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, and actually know what it had been.
Speaker 6: But he knew something was going to happen in Glasgow
in December when we spoke to him.
Speaker 4: At the time, he was still trying to work out
all the all the signals he was getting.
Speaker 5: This was before it took place. Yes, wow, yeah you Yes,
I do know Steve. Steve and I were up funnily
enough in Sterling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's connected with him.
Speaker 5: All right, I will contact Steve because it's all part
of your magazine, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, he's magazine's magazine year. He recommends us.
Speaker 5: We did the Sterling Paranormal Festival. Great guy, great guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So basically we've had a good introduction to you, Anthony.
It's been a brilliant show. Was there anything you want
else you wanted to ask Andy?
Speaker 5: No, at the moment, I don't think so. I think
that it would be interesting to do it again at
some time. As I said to you earlier on an
hour is never long enough neither. We've only scratched the surface.
Speaker 2: Yes, and hopefully Scott worked better next time.
Speaker 5: No, it won't believe me. This is the ark. Maybe
if I put something up on Facebook about it literally
happens every single time. It's a running joke, whether it
is an interview from Australia, whether it's from America, wherever
it is, Skype will go down, right, so it goes
down with all the RC on. It's a semi joke. Yeah,
it happens too often.
Speaker 2: It's been brilliant having you on. Thank you for taking
your time to talk to us.
Speaker 5: Thank you for giving me the time. I hope I
haven't ranted on too much.
Speaker 2: No, you'd be fine. We'd love to do more. Actually,
but as I say, we would like to have you
on again to sort of you know, apparently Steve Johnson's
dreams are documented and Steve knows about them as well.
Speaker 5: Okay, we'll send me and then maybe put something up
by the Steve or yourself, or somebody puts something up
on my Facebook all about this. Sure we'll get some
interesting reactions from there as well. And just for your listeners,
I'm on Facebook, Anthony Peak dot com is my website.
Cheating the Faery dot com is my is my forum
as well, to please put your experiences up there. The
only way we're going to change this paradigm is by
actually making it change, and the only way we're going
to do that is by evidence and for the proof.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, thanks again, Anthony.
Speaker 5: It's brilliant being delightful.
Speaker 4: Thank you, good bye, bye bye bye, there you go.
Speaker 2: So we hope you've enjoyed tonight's show and we look
forward to having your company again. So basically, thank you
very much for listening, thank you Andy for your input.
So and we'll see you again next week. Okay, So
until next time, it's good night for.
Speaker 4: Me, and it's good night from her, it's good night
from him.
Speaker 3: Her.
Speaker 2: Real it's left to say is remember to keep the
paranorm friendly.
Speaker 4: Would be really, guys next week
Speaker 3: This is where it's at.