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Speaker 7: Good Evening, A day celebrating the beauty of God's handiwork
Speaker 7: turns into a father's worst nightmare as the sun sets
Speaker 7: on his only son, Jared Adadero, lost in the Colorado Mountains.
Speaker 7: A highly publicized search breaks into a national story as
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Speaker 7: Sun Sets with my special guest journalist and author Alan Adadero.
Speaker 7: Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for
Speaker 7: a Greenness interview. Alan Adadero, Thank you, Anna.
Speaker 8: I really appreciate being here. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much. This is a little bit of
Speaker 7: a departure, quite a bit of a departure for this program. However,
Speaker 7: the audience will appreciate this very incredible perspective on this
Speaker 7: most incredible tale. So let's go back to October nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety nine. You have a three year old son. Explain
Speaker 7: your family situation and you're living in Colorado. Explain your
Speaker 7: family situation before we get into the details of this story.
Speaker 7: We we're talking about nineteen ninety nine, So tell us
Speaker 7: about your background and where you were in life, and
Speaker 7: before we talk about the Christian singles and the retreat
Speaker 7: and also the hike itself.
Speaker 8: Not a problem. I'm back in nineteen ninety nine. My
Speaker 8: twin brother and I both owned a resort together up
Speaker 8: in the Pudu Canyon called the Pudu Canyon Resort or
Speaker 8: the Puduh River Resort, i should say, And it was
Speaker 8: something that we use for our family. It was a
Speaker 8: resort that we use for a lot of different retreats,
Speaker 8: and the weekend where Jared actually disappeared, there was a
Speaker 8: retreat going on at the resort and we went up
Speaker 8: with the mountains just to enjoy it, and before you
Speaker 8: know it, my son was missing. And that's where the
Speaker 8: story began.
Speaker 7: Now, as I mentioned, you had a six year old Well,
Speaker 7: as I mentioned, we'd like to get the background just beforehand,
Speaker 7: because we'll be introducing characters that are obviously very very
Speaker 7: important the story. You have a six year old daughter
Speaker 7: named Jocelyn, and so tell us about You have a
Speaker 7: her mother is Angie or and and your boy's mother's
Speaker 7: Angie as well, So tell us a little bit about
Speaker 7: that background and about your daughter. And again you have
Speaker 7: a twin brother named Marlon, and explain also this this
Speaker 7: faith that obviously is going to be instrumental in helping
Speaker 7: you cope with this in any way, So tell us
Speaker 7: about that fellowship as well.
Speaker 8: Sure. Well, we originally my brother and I purchased the
Speaker 8: Pooda River Resort and we came to Colorado. I brought
Speaker 8: both of my kids over here, Jocelyn and Jared both
Speaker 8: and their mom and I had just separated, so we
Speaker 8: wanted a new start. It was one of those things
Speaker 8: to where it was something just to kind of to
Speaker 8: move on in life. And it was a neat place
Speaker 8: to be because we had this resort and we wanted
Speaker 8: to let people know that they could utilize it and
Speaker 8: they could have peace up there. For instance, like the
Speaker 8: Christian Singles Network, they came up to use the resort.
Speaker 8: We actually at one time even built across and we
Speaker 8: let the cross and we set it on the mountain
Speaker 8: right there in front of our resort. Because we wanted
Speaker 8: people to know that if they came to that area
Speaker 8: and if they were having any problems, they could stop
Speaker 8: there and we would be more than willing to help them.
Speaker 8: For instance, we would have people run out of gas
Speaker 8: or break down, and we always offered a cabin free
Speaker 8: for the night because we just didn't want to take
Speaker 8: advantage of people who were experiencing a bad situation in
Speaker 8: their life. So it was nice because I have my
Speaker 8: kids there. I've worked there during the day at night,
Speaker 8: and I was a lucky father because I got to
Speaker 8: spend every moment with my kids while I was actually working.
Speaker 8: And what happened is I had left California. My brother
Speaker 8: and I were both teachers there so this was a
Speaker 8: new experience for me, but it was one of the
Speaker 8: neatest things, being able to come to Colorado and enjoy
Speaker 8: God's beauty and be with my kids at the same time.
Speaker 7: Now, tell us a little bit about Colorado, because not
Speaker 7: everyone had knows much about Colorado and also doesn't know
Speaker 7: much about sort of the phenomena of a hiking and
Speaker 7: how much people really enjoy that and partake in that.
Speaker 7: So tell us a little bit about your interest in
Speaker 7: that as well, and tell us a little bit before
Speaker 7: we start about this mountain that you would partake and
Speaker 7: do hiking upon.
Speaker 8: Sure, if you come to Colorado and you go up
Speaker 8: a highway forty there's the Powdha Canyon and it's it's
Speaker 8: one of the best looking canyons in the entire country,
Speaker 8: much less Colorado, but it has a river running through it,
Speaker 8: and our resort was built right on the river. We
Speaker 8: had one hundred yards of riverfront property. We had people
Speaker 8: camping up there with several cabins and the works. But
Speaker 8: you could come to Colorado and the beauty is incredible.
Speaker 8: No matter where you go in the mountains, there are
Speaker 8: trails you can hike up there. The recreational activities and
Speaker 8: opportunities are immense, and people actually traveled to the Pudha
Speaker 8: River throughout the world. We had visitors staying at our
Speaker 8: resort from all over the place, and it was just
Speaker 8: a place people would go to appreciate that the beauty
Speaker 8: of the mountains have to offer and it was just
Speaker 8: an excellent place to get to and just relax.
Speaker 7: Now, tell us a little bit about three year old Jared,
Speaker 7: what was really his character at that time, and tell
Speaker 7: us a little bit about you talk about the sadly
Speaker 7: watching The last thing that you did together was watching Godzilla,
Speaker 7: and you had made plans about watching another movie. We'll
Speaker 7: talk about that a little bit later, but tell us
Speaker 7: about what was this three year old Jared's real character.
Speaker 8: Like, Jared was one of the neatest kids you can
Speaker 8: ever meet. As a matter of fact, people used to
Speaker 8: come up to me and say, who's Alan and the
Speaker 8: responsibility You know, he's the father of little Jared, because
Speaker 8: people knew Jared before they knew me. And Jared had
Speaker 8: just an incredible personality, always smiling, always having fun. He
Speaker 8: enjoyed life. He enjoyed every moment of his life, like
Speaker 8: to suck his he saw things that I didn't see, like,
Speaker 8: for instance, you're talking about them that very last night
Speaker 8: that I was with Jared. We actually we want to
Speaker 8: put the resort we're living down in the Denver area,
Speaker 8: and we went to the resort to spend the weekend
Speaker 8: there and we put a little bit of football, some
Speaker 8: catch back and forth, having fun, and then I slowly
Speaker 8: fell asleep, but Jared woke me up because we were watching,
Speaker 8: or he was watching at the time, the movie Godzilla.
Speaker 8: And it was funny because I'll tell this part of
Speaker 8: the story. It was funny because Jared looked at me
Speaker 8: and said, Daddy, you got to watch this part. You
Speaker 8: have to watch. And I'm like, Jared, why don't need
Speaker 8: to watch this? He says, Daddy, just watch. And as
Speaker 8: god Zilla ran through the city, he turned and went
Speaker 8: down one street and as he turned, Jared said to me, Daddy,
Speaker 8: you can see as we wei and I just started laughing.
Speaker 8: I'm like, Jared, I can't believe he just said that
Speaker 8: to me. But that's the way Jared was. He was
Speaker 8: so innocent, so full of joy, happy, can instantly had
Speaker 8: a smile on his face. And he was a type
Speaker 8: of kid that he gave more love than he ever received.
Speaker 8: So it's just been incredible or indifficult being without him.
Speaker 7: Now. I know this will be difficult, but you have
Speaker 7: done this quite a few times, and you've done it eloquently.
Speaker 7: In print, we talked about the last movie that you
Speaker 7: watched with him, So tell us about the last events
Speaker 7: before they went on this hike. Explain that morning and
Speaker 7: how it came to be that you weren't with them,
Speaker 7: which would be customary, and why and how Jared was involved,
Speaker 7: and who was involved in the hike itself. How did
Speaker 7: it all come into play.
Speaker 8: Well, we went to bed that night and Jared was
Speaker 8: sleeping on the floor next to me. I was laying
Speaker 8: on a couch that night, and it's about it was
Speaker 8: kind of weird because about four o'clock in the morning
Speaker 8: I could fill a presence staring at me and I
Speaker 8: didn't know what it was. And I slowly opened my
Speaker 8: eyes and Jared was standing there in the nude and
Speaker 8: I looked at him, and he looked at me and
Speaker 8: he said, Daddy, he said, he said, I wet my
Speaker 8: pants and he never done that before, and I thought
Speaker 8: that was kind of a strange behavior for him. But
Speaker 8: what I did was. I actually picked him up and
Speaker 8: put him under the blanket with me and snuggled him
Speaker 8: and warmed him up, and just kind of held on
Speaker 8: to him, not knowing that that was the last chance
Speaker 8: I was going to have to hold onto my son.
Speaker 8: We got up that morning and I just put some
Speaker 8: simple things on him. I put some sweatpants on him
Speaker 8: and a T shirt, and he put his tennis shoes on.
Speaker 8: He he didn't like to wear socks. He just liked
Speaker 8: to wear shoes. Didn't like to tie his shoes. But
Speaker 8: later on that morning, we were actually at the resort
Speaker 8: because this organization had come up. They wanted to help
Speaker 8: us prepare the resort for the winter. They were going
Speaker 8: to do some cleaning and stuff. Well, while they were
Speaker 8: doing that that morning, a group of the individuals that
Speaker 8: were it was called the Christian Singles. It was a
Speaker 8: Christian singles group out of the Denver area, and they
Speaker 8: a couple of them wanted to go on a hike.
Speaker 8: And I was thinking, originally why they want to go
Speaker 8: on a hike. I thought they were coming up here
Speaker 8: to try to help get things situated. But at the
Speaker 8: same time I didn't want to stop them from going
Speaker 8: on a hike. And as they were preparing to go
Speaker 8: on a hike, they were actually going to go on
Speaker 8: a hike to a trout farm which was about a
Speaker 8: mile away from us, and my daughter had come up
Speaker 8: to me, Jocelyn and said, Daddy, he said, all right,
Speaker 8: if I go look at the fish and I'm like, well,
Speaker 8: you know, sure. You know a lot of these people
Speaker 8: are my friends. So I gave permission for her to go,
Speaker 8: not knowing that Jared was going to be, you know,
Speaker 8: ten seconds behind her saying, Dad, I want to go
Speaker 8: to the trout farm too. More or less, he came
Speaker 8: up asking, and I'm like, there's no way in the world, Jared,
Speaker 8: I'm letting you go to this fish farm. It's only
Speaker 8: a mile away, but you're staying with me. But I
Speaker 8: was reassured that, hey, you know what, it's going to
Speaker 8: be safe. We're just going to take him over there.
Speaker 8: We're just going to walk around the lake and by
Speaker 8: this little fish farm and we'll be back. And that's
Speaker 8: what I thought, and they took off on their own,
Speaker 8: sixteen adults. I stayed back at the resort. I was
Speaker 8: still doing some cleaning and stuff, sat down actually to
Speaker 8: take a nap about I'm going to guess it may
Speaker 8: have been a little bit after one. And while I
Speaker 8: was just closed my eyes and just started to fall asleep,
Speaker 8: somebody walked into our store, because we had a store
Speaker 8: that was attached to our apartment, and there was a
Speaker 8: lot of commotion in the store, just you know, people
Speaker 8: just very animated, and I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 8: And finally they came into the back room and there
Speaker 8: were two ladies standing there with a friend of mine
Speaker 8: named Butch, who was our store manager. And I just
Speaker 8: asked him know what's wrong? And they looked at me
Speaker 8: and they said, he's okay, we just can't find him.
Speaker 8: And I'm like, what do you mean he's what are
Speaker 8: you guys talking about? He's okay, we just can't find him, Jared,
Speaker 8: He's okay, we just can't find him. Something happened to him.
Speaker 8: And I'm like, what do you mean something happened? I mean,
Speaker 8: originally I'm thinking, he's okay, what do you do fall?
Speaker 8: Did he you know, break his arm? Did he you know,
Speaker 8: turn an ankle or something like that. But when they
Speaker 8: said he's okay, we just can't find him, I'm like,
Speaker 8: oh my gosh, what are you talking about? He's okay,
Speaker 8: you just can't find him. And not only can you
Speaker 8: not find him, how do you know he's okay? And
Speaker 8: so from that moment on, of course, my entire body
Speaker 8: just started shaking. And again I'm thinking, they're a mile
Speaker 8: up the road, and you know, let's get in our
Speaker 8: cars and let's drive up the road here and let's
Speaker 8: find him. And I soon found out that after that hike,
Speaker 8: there were several of the adults. They were not happy
Speaker 8: with what they had just accomplished, and they wanted to
Speaker 8: go find another trail. So they got together and they
Speaker 8: drove another I believe it was like sixteen seventeen miles
Speaker 8: up the up the mountain to a place called the
Speaker 8: Big South Trail. And when I found out that they
Speaker 8: had taken Jared elsewhere, I was totally confused. And so
Speaker 8: we proceeded to drive up the trail and I followed
Speaker 8: these people, and it was just a crazy drive because
Speaker 8: I drove extremely fast. I yelled and screamed in my car.
Speaker 8: I pounded my chest. I felt like someone had stuck
Speaker 8: the knife in my chest, because you know, I never
Speaker 8: want to live a day without my son. And I
Speaker 8: drove up to that trail, knowing at the time that
Speaker 8: I would find my son and I would bring my
Speaker 8: son home with me, But at the same time I
Speaker 8: was experiencing the most the deepest pain I'd ever experienced
Speaker 8: in my life.
Speaker 7: Now we've just skipped over a really crucial person in
Speaker 7: this story, or at least a very important one, and
Speaker 7: that's Janet. Because Jarrett and your daughter already had a
Speaker 7: relationship with jam as you did, So please explain the
Speaker 7: relationship with Janet. And so we just backtracked this a
Speaker 7: little bit too. No problem.
Speaker 8: When when the kids then asked to go up patrol,
Speaker 8: they had asked me, and Janet was the one who
Speaker 8: took them. Janet came up to me and said, no problem,
Speaker 8: I have no problem taking Jocelyn with me. And then
Speaker 8: when Jared asked too, Janet think, you know, not a problem.
Speaker 8: You know he's going to be safe. So Janet was
Speaker 8: the actual person that he entrusted my kids too to
Speaker 8: go up patrol with.
Speaker 7: Now, when you've already talked about that, you heard the story.
Speaker 7: Now your son's missing, you don't know anything. You get
Speaker 7: in the car and you're a mad dash and you
Speaker 7: know a combination of incredible emotions, conflicting emotions. What did
Speaker 7: Janet say when you finally spoke to her about what
Speaker 7: had happened, because you must have asked, what happened Janet?
Speaker 7: What where? Did? How did Jared get lost?
Speaker 8: Well, the interesting thing is is when I got to
Speaker 8: the trailhead, I wanted to I had originally back before
Speaker 8: I left for the trailhead, my buddy Butch said he
Speaker 8: was going to call the sheriff and and maybe see
Speaker 8: if they could if we could get some help in
Speaker 8: the Sheriff's department. And I had originally told him, no,
Speaker 8: that's all right, you don't need to do that. You know,
Speaker 8: I'll find my son. So when I got to the trailhead,
Speaker 8: there were several cars in the parking lot and there
Speaker 8: was a some people coming down the trail And the
Speaker 8: first thing I asked was you know they were telling me,
Speaker 8: of course Jared was missing. But my big concern now
Speaker 8: was where's my daughter? And I'd actually asked them, you know,
Speaker 8: where's Joson? Do you guys know where my daughter is?
Speaker 8: I want, I want, I want to hold my daughter
Speaker 8: right now. And they had told me that Janet had
Speaker 8: taken Jocelyn back to the resort, and so when I
Speaker 8: originally got on that trail head, she wasn't there, and
Speaker 8: so I was I was kind of frustrated how she
Speaker 8: got aways, you know, from us, without me even knowing
Speaker 8: what was going on. But when she finally showed up,
Speaker 8: she the Sheriff's department had brought her back up to
Speaker 8: the trailhead and when she saw me, she came up
Speaker 8: to me. She was running, I mean, she was crying,
Speaker 8: and she reached out her arms and we both gave
Speaker 8: each other a hug, and she's saying I'm sorry, and
Speaker 8: I was telling her, you know, don't worry about it.
Speaker 8: You know, we're going to find him. I tried to
Speaker 8: keep my mind in a positive frame and I constantly
Speaker 8: told her, you know, we're going to find it. We're
Speaker 8: gonna be all right, We're going to find him. And
Speaker 8: not long after that, the sheriff, one of the deputies
Speaker 8: had taken her and put her into another car to
Speaker 8: interview her to find out what she knew about Jared.
Speaker 8: But it was just one of those things where she
Speaker 8: was extremely sorry. I had found out later on a
Speaker 8: couple of weeks later, somebody was talking to me and
Speaker 8: they were talking about different things that happened on the mountain,
Speaker 8: and they told me one story something about, well, you
Speaker 8: know what we heard, she fell sleep on the trail
Speaker 8: and she had the kids and they both lay down
Speaker 8: on a rock and they fell asleep next to her.
Speaker 8: And it was the first time I'd heard that story,
Speaker 8: because there's so many different stories going on, but I'd
Speaker 8: asked my daughter. Right after that, I hung up the
Speaker 8: phone and I asked Josh. I said, hey, jos and
Speaker 8: I said, do you know anything about you know, Janet
Speaker 8: falling asleep and on a rock? And she said, yes, Daddy,
Speaker 8: She said, we went to sleep on a rock and
Speaker 8: when we woke up, Jared wasn't there. And so that
Speaker 8: was the first thing, or the first time I had
Speaker 8: heard about that situation. Even though this story that was
Speaker 8: out there was being told that this group of sixteen
Speaker 8: adults was going back and forth and down the trail
Speaker 8: and Jared got lost in between him. I think it
Speaker 8: was I'm sorry, I think it was eleven adults and
Speaker 8: Jared got lost in between the first group and the
Speaker 8: last group, and then next thing you know, he passed
Speaker 8: the upper group and then nobody saw him again.
Speaker 7: Right, And you didn't find that out right away either
Speaker 7: because the original story was for quite a while, was
Speaker 7: that there was a group following another group. He left
Speaker 7: that second group went a head to the first group,
Speaker 7: and because the first group didn't know about that, Jarrett
Speaker 7: was coming towards him. He got lost in between those
Speaker 7: two groups. You found out later that the story was
Speaker 7: that he had surpassed the front group and someone had
Speaker 7: said maybe somebody should watch that kid, but no one
Speaker 7: did exactly that story, no exactly, So go ahead. I
Speaker 7: wasn't say, yeah, he was running in between the two groups,
Speaker 7: and that's where I originally thought maybe something happened. But again,
Speaker 7: like you said, he had actually got past that first group,
Speaker 7: and they were actually saying to each other, you know,
Speaker 7: someone needs to watch more closely, And even though they
Speaker 7: were verbalizing that, nobody watched him, and he continued to
Speaker 7: walk past that first group. The last teup I should say,
Speaker 7: Now there was a bunch of witnesses Kim, Anthony, Nancy,
Speaker 7: the Bruce, Margaret, Sandra. Now there were some people that
Speaker 7: had stories and bits and pieces were confirmed the other
Speaker 7: person's story, for example, the fisherman and his wife, and
Speaker 7: then there was two fishermen. So tell us what through
Speaker 7: through the accounts formed with all these witnesses, what exactly
Speaker 7: was the story that was pieced together in the official
Speaker 7: story of who was there and who observed what?
Speaker 8: Well, I know officially after I started, I actually had
Speaker 8: to order the report to read what happened. And I
Speaker 8: know officially what had happened was I believe Jared had
Speaker 8: not only got to the first group and then passed
Speaker 8: the second group, but as he was walking up the trail,
Speaker 8: he ran into a couple of fishermen and he actually
Speaker 8: had a conversation with the fisherman and they continued to
Speaker 8: walk up the trail, and Jared hadn't even asked them,
Speaker 8: are there any bear up here? So Jared was a
Speaker 8: little concerned about what was going on, and they talked
Speaker 8: to him about bear and stuff. But as they would
Speaker 8: continue to walk, from what I understand, they got to
Speaker 8: a point where they were going to head to the
Speaker 8: river and Jared was all by himself, and they let
Speaker 8: Jared continue to walk up the trail. And the reason
Speaker 8: they let Jared continue up the trail because in their
Speaker 8: own minds, he was with the people behind him, and
Speaker 8: they figured, hey, he's not that far ahead of him,
Speaker 8: and don't catch him eventually, So these two fishermen literally
Speaker 8: had a chance to stay with him and save him,
Speaker 8: but they just let him walk on by after they
Speaker 8: had a conversation with him.
Speaker 7: Right now, was there any other talk of any other
Speaker 7: strangers or other people spotted by the eleven adults that
Speaker 7: were on the hike itself any before we get into
Speaker 7: some of the other possibilities. But as in terms of
Speaker 7: people other than the fishermen.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there were several people on the trail were there
Speaker 8: was another couple that had a dog that they had interviewed,
Speaker 8: and I think there was some other people on the
Speaker 8: trail too that they'd come down and people had interviewed.
Speaker 8: But at the same time, the trail you can either
Speaker 8: start at the very base of the trail, the big
Speaker 8: South Trail, or you can go up to Chambers Lake
Speaker 8: and start from the lake and come back down. Now,
Speaker 8: from what I understand, you know, some people were not
Speaker 8: totally seen, but people were hurt on the trail too.
Speaker 8: For instance, at one time people were actually making the
Speaker 8: comment that they heard a playful school what they thought
Speaker 8: was a playful scream up above on the trail in
Speaker 8: the direction where Jared was and then he disappeared, so
Speaker 8: they weren't sure if someone had actually grabbed Jared and
Speaker 8: then walked back up the trail and left out through
Speaker 8: the Chambers Lake area.
Speaker 7: Now you discovered later on, and this is a startling
Speaker 7: part of your book that you were told by somebody else,
Speaker 7: And describe that scream because you're not really aware of
Speaker 7: that scream right away or it's important. And then your
Speaker 7: daughter runs into the room and overhears a conversation. So
Speaker 7: tell us about that. I know we're jumping.
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Speaker 8: Yeah exactly. You know, Originally, like I said, I was
Speaker 8: trying to put everything together, and again I was talking
Speaker 8: to a friend on the phone and they were telling me, yeah,
Speaker 8: well so and so said they heard a scream, and
Speaker 8: I'm like, really, I've never heard that before. And this, again,
Speaker 8: was three or four weeks after Jared disappeared, and I
Speaker 8: had no idea that there was any type of a scream.
Speaker 8: And I know in the report now some people talk
Speaker 8: about hearing something, but my daughter was in the other
Speaker 8: room and you got to remember she was six years
Speaker 8: old at the time, and she was extremely innocent, and
Speaker 8: at the same time, she was trying to figure out
Speaker 8: what could have happened to her brother. But as while
Speaker 8: I'm conversing with this person talking about the scream, It's like,
Speaker 8: you're kidding. How come no one told me this? Jossy
Speaker 8: walked into the bedroom and said, Daddy, are they talking
Speaker 8: about the scream? And I'm like, yeah, honey, did you
Speaker 8: hear a scream? And she's the one who actually came
Speaker 8: out and told me, yeah, Daddy, we heard this scream
Speaker 8: and it came from above the trail, and we thought
Speaker 8: somebody was playing with Jared, and then we thought maybe
Speaker 8: somebody may have taken Jared. So that's, you know, the
Speaker 8: first time I actually got hurt anything like that. No
Speaker 8: one had told me that in the first couple of weeks,
Speaker 8: and it was from a friend on the phone, and
Speaker 8: then it was Jocelyn confirming it.
Speaker 7: Now let's go back to the initial police, the sheriff's reaction,
Speaker 7: and your reaction, of course to the sheriff's reaction. So
Speaker 7: let's talk about what the police initially do. And I
Speaker 7: can't even imagine, except that I've read this book and
Speaker 7: so I do know what you did and how you responded.
Speaker 7: So again, you'd do an excellent job in describing how
Speaker 7: you felt at that time. So take us back to
Speaker 7: the initial police because we're not skipping ahead, but let's
Speaker 7: go back to the initial response. What did the Sheriff's
Speaker 7: department do and what could you do? And what was
Speaker 7: your reaction? What did you first do this incredible news.
Speaker 8: Well, when we first got the news, you know, we
Speaker 8: went to the trail and I said, I was up
Speaker 8: on the trail. I was running and searching for Jared
Speaker 8: and yelling and screaming for him. And I had no
Speaker 8: idea just how huge the area was, how large it was,
Speaker 8: and I really believe I was going to find Jared,
Speaker 8: and I yelled and screen for him. And when I
Speaker 8: realized I'm not going to find him. I need some help.
Speaker 8: I went running back down the trail, and I was
Speaker 8: terrified because I had told which not to call the
Speaker 8: Sheriff's department. But when I got down to the base
Speaker 8: of the trail, I witnessed one of the sheriffs already
Speaker 8: at the trail. I had in the parking lot, and
Speaker 8: they had told me that originally that the search and
Speaker 8: rescue team was coming up, and at the same time too.
Speaker 8: It wasn't long after our conversation with the search and
Speaker 8: rescue team did show up. I observed them getting their
Speaker 8: groups together and taken off looking for Jared. Now that's
Speaker 8: the first thing that happened. It wasn't at that time.
Speaker 8: It was one of those situations where everybody thought this
Speaker 8: was going to be over in a matter of hours.
Speaker 8: They were going to find Jared that night. But as
Speaker 8: time went on, things began to happen different frustrations and works.
Speaker 8: For instance, I desperately myself after they had set everything
Speaker 8: up their search camp and the works, they kind of
Speaker 8: closed the trail off where no one can go back
Speaker 8: up on the trail themselves, and I desperately wanted to
Speaker 8: go up and look for my son. As a matter
Speaker 8: of fact, my family had flown in from California the
Speaker 8: very next day, and we all wanted to go up
Speaker 8: the trail looking for Jared. And finally, on that Sunday,
Speaker 8: I believe it was, we tried to get up the
Speaker 8: trail and the sheriffs the deputies had their radios and
Speaker 8: they were talking back and forth, and there were several
Speaker 8: situations that happened that were really frustrating. For instance, I
Speaker 8: was in our resort at one time and I was
Speaker 8: with one of the deputies and somebody called our resort
Speaker 8: and they asked for me, and I spoke to them
Speaker 8: and I said, listen, we have trained search dogs and
Speaker 8: we would like to bring them up to help search
Speaker 8: for your son. And I'm excited about them. I'm like,
Speaker 8: oh gosh, this is great. I said, you're not going
Speaker 8: to believe this. The deputy in charge of the search
Speaker 8: is standing right next to me. You can talk to them.
Speaker 8: So I gave the phone to the deputy, and before
Speaker 8: I know what, I hear the deputy saying, you know what,
Speaker 8: if we need your help, we'll call you. Thank you
Speaker 8: very much, and hung up. And in my mind I'm like,
Speaker 8: wait a second, if we need you, we'll call you.
Speaker 8: How are you going to call them medi even ask
Speaker 8: that person for their name, and he just shut them out.
Speaker 8: And so that was frustrating, and I had that happen
Speaker 8: many times. I had that happen even years later, where
Speaker 8: people would come up to me and say, you will
Speaker 8: never understand how hard are we trying to get on
Speaker 8: that trail And we had the best dogs in the state,
Speaker 8: and we were told no constantly. It was getting kind
Speaker 8: of frustrating. That was the first frustrating thing that happened.
Speaker 8: But as my family got there, Like I said, my mom,
Speaker 8: my aunt, and my sister in law were on the
Speaker 8: trailhead and I hear this over the radio saying, if
Speaker 8: the atta Arro family doesn't calm down, we're going to
Speaker 8: arrest them, and I'm like, what the heck. And my
Speaker 8: brother was sending next to them in the resort, and
Speaker 8: I said to my brother, I said, oh my gosh,
Speaker 8: what's going on up at the trailhead. They're gonna arrest
Speaker 8: mom and your wife. And so we got in the
Speaker 8: car and started driving up up the mountain to the
Speaker 8: trailhead and had about halfway up, the car full of
Speaker 8: the ladies passes us coming back down to the trailhead.
Speaker 8: So I'm thinking, oh, man, they must be really upset,
Speaker 8: because you know, they must have been doing something. When
Speaker 8: we get to the trailhead and it's all calm, So
Speaker 8: finally all my ladies get back up there, and we
Speaker 8: asked them, we know what's going on. You know, we
Speaker 8: were told we hurt over the radio, they were gonna
Speaker 8: arrest you guys, and like what, you know, we went
Speaker 8: back to get some jackets. That's getting cold up here.
Speaker 8: And I later find out that my sister in law
Speaker 8: told me she said we were just requesting to get
Speaker 8: up the trail and they were telling us, no, you
Speaker 8: can't help search, and we got frustrated. And after that frustration,
Speaker 8: that's when one of the deputies radio and everyone else saying,
Speaker 8: if they try to get up on the trail, we're
Speaker 8: arresting them. And it was it was. It was a
Speaker 8: sad situation because when we finally got the opportunity to
Speaker 8: go up and look for Jared ourselves, it was a
Speaker 8: day later. We had fought for hours to get up
Speaker 8: that trail, and on the way back down the trail,
Speaker 8: we'd finished looking for Jared ourselves. On the way back
Speaker 8: down the trail, the deputy stopped me right before we
Speaker 8: got back from the parking lot and said, listen, I
Speaker 8: just want you to know one thing that you've been
Speaker 8: causing a lot of problems for us. And I'm like,
Speaker 8: what do you mean? And this is my son, you know,
Speaker 8: how can we be causing problems for you guys? And
Speaker 8: in the meantime, you know, a lot of other things
Speaker 8: had happened the day before that. You know, there was
Speaker 8: a there was a helicopter actually looking for Jared, and
Speaker 8: that helicopter crashed on the trail. So there was a
Speaker 8: lot of frustration and everything up there. But at the
Speaker 8: same time, not to the point to where you turn
Speaker 8: people away or look at my family and tell them
Speaker 8: they're going to be arrested because they want to find
Speaker 8: this little boy.
Speaker 7: No, I could agree with you there, but you felt
Speaker 7: it very important to include that. When you heard about
Speaker 7: the ambulances, and so did other people, they came to
Speaker 7: a really quick conclusion that Jared must have been found.
Speaker 7: So tell us about this again, false hope, moment of
Speaker 7: maybe adulation in your mind, but obviously didn't turn out,
Speaker 7: So tell us about that.
Speaker 8: Sure, Jared disappeared on a Saturday. It was October two,
Speaker 8: which'll the anniversary is coming up this Friday in a
Speaker 8: couple of days, and they were trying to get a
Speaker 8: helicopter to search, but they kept saying they were having problems,
Speaker 8: they couldn't get one lined up. And then I heard
Speaker 8: at the last minute on that Saturday morning, they were
Speaker 8: going to get a hui out of Wyoming and this
Speaker 8: huie was going to come up the mountain. The huie
Speaker 8: makes that noise wopping sound, and then you can hear it.
Speaker 8: It's a distinctive sound. And so when we heard it
Speaker 8: coming up the canyon, I went outside with Jossy. I
Speaker 8: had her in my arms, and we watched this helicopter
Speaker 8: fly right up and over our resort, up the mountain,
Speaker 8: and jos and I both kind of hug each other
Speaker 8: and we did kind of a victory dance. It's like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 8: there's a helicopter going up there, and it's gonna This
Speaker 8: helicopter's gonna find Jared. So we were excited. And about
Speaker 8: maybe two hours after the helicopter had flown by us,
Speaker 8: I started receiving phone calls from people up and down
Speaker 8: the canyon. From the base of the canyon coming up
Speaker 8: toward the resort, and people were calling me and I'd
Speaker 8: answered the phone and they'd say did they find They'd
Speaker 8: asked me, did they find Jared. I'm like, what do
Speaker 8: you mean? Did they find Jared? And I know it
Speaker 8: was news to me, and then I told him I
Speaker 8: know nothing about that, and into the conversation and maybe
Speaker 8: five or ten minute flitters, somebody else in the canyon
Speaker 8: would call, Hey, Alan, did they did they find Jared.
Speaker 8: It's like, why do you guys keep asking me if
Speaker 8: they found Jared? And they said, because there are all
Speaker 8: these emergency vehicles and an ambulance. It's flying up the mountain.
Speaker 8: I'm like, wow, no kidding. So here I'm thinking, oh
Speaker 8: my gosh, I found my son. You know, I was excited.
Speaker 8: I mean it was like, you know, to the point
Speaker 8: where I had many tears in my eyes, and I'm thinking, gee,
Speaker 8: these guys are flying up the mountain. They've got my son.
Speaker 8: How come they haven't called me yet? Why haven't they
Speaker 8: called and informed that they've found my son? And again
Speaker 8: phone call after a phone call. Well, in the meantime,
Speaker 8: Jocelyn's mom drives down to another resort right below us
Speaker 8: to get some things for Jocelyn, and she come flying
Speaker 8: back into the parking lot, sliding all over the place,
Speaker 8: putting her brakes on, and she comes jumping out of
Speaker 8: the car and she goes, You're never going to believe
Speaker 8: what happened, And I said, what do you mean? She said,
Speaker 8: the helicopter search for Jared. It crashed, and I'm like,
Speaker 8: what what do you mean it crashed? I said, no
Speaker 8: one's even keeping us in the loop, letting us know
Speaker 8: what's going on. So I tried to get a hold
Speaker 8: of the deputies up on top of the mountain, and
Speaker 8: nobody would talk to me. I finally called the Sheriff's
Speaker 8: department itself and I got ahold of someone and I said, listen,
Speaker 8: I need to find out. I need to know if
Speaker 8: that if that helicopter crash looking for a little boy
Speaker 8: up in the canyon. And the lady said, I can't
Speaker 8: give you that information, and I said, listen, I need
Speaker 8: to know. I mean, I finally said, they're looking for
Speaker 8: my son, and this is ridiculous. Nobody's relating anything to me,
Speaker 8: and I need to know if they found my son
Speaker 8: or if the helicopter crashed, And finally she confirmed, yes,
Speaker 8: the helicopter crashed, And like I said, at the same time,
Speaker 8: it went from oh my gosh, they found him to
Speaker 8: you're serious, something else happened on that trail. So the
Speaker 8: helicopter crashed the very next day, and what was a
Speaker 8: search and rescue situation turned into a situation where people
Speaker 8: they were trying to save people's lives at that time,
Speaker 8: so they had to take their attention away from Jared,
Speaker 8: which is totally understandable, but at the same time extremely
Speaker 8: frustrating because again, like I said, the information wasn't being
Speaker 8: shared and forth.
Speaker 7: Just got to mention too that everyone survived the crash,
Speaker 7: which is some good news, but also that and also
Speaker 7: that they were all had injuries of some to some degree.
Speaker 8: Correct, right, And I will always be thankful for those guys.
Speaker 8: I mean, those guys almost game their life looking for
Speaker 8: my son.
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Speaker 7: eight one two. Now, Allen, you will talk about a
Speaker 7: woman named Susan from Victim Response Team and you were
Speaker 7: told by her to you needed to submit to media.
Speaker 7: The media was becoming highly interested in this story, and
Speaker 7: you have to issue press releases and be introduced to
Speaker 7: some media and decide whether you'd want to on what
Speaker 7: level you'd want to deal with the media. So tell
Speaker 7: us a little bit about Susan for a Victim Response Team,
Speaker 7: and then, because this is very important to this story
Speaker 7: and to this entire book about your interaction with the
Speaker 7: media throughout this ordeal.
Speaker 8: Well, when Jared first vanished again, like you were saying,
Speaker 8: Susan came up and said, Hey, you know, you really
Speaker 8: need to talk to the media because they're coming up
Speaker 8: the mountain. They're going to be up here. There's going
Speaker 8: to be a lot of people on this mountain and
Speaker 8: you can't avoid them. You need to face them. And
Speaker 8: at the time, I didn't want anything to do with them,
Speaker 8: nothing to do with the media at all. As a
Speaker 8: matter of fact, the very first press conference they had,
Speaker 8: it was on the outside of one of our windows
Speaker 8: of our store. I didn't even show my face. I
Speaker 8: had one of my friends go out there and speak
Speaker 8: for me, and I snuck up from the window, had
Speaker 8: the window open, and I listened to the entire thing,
Speaker 8: because again I didn't want anything to do with the media.
Speaker 8: I'm concerned about my son and they're concerned about his story. Well,
Speaker 8: it was kind of strange because as one day turned
Speaker 8: into two, which turned into three, so and so forth,
Speaker 8: I realized, oh my gosh, they're not finding Jared, and
Speaker 8: so I all of a sudden told myself you know what,
Speaker 8: you need these guys and they're coming to you for
Speaker 8: the story, but you need to go to them so
Speaker 8: that they can plaster your son's picture all over the place.
Speaker 8: So that's when, all of a sudden, my mindset changed
Speaker 8: and I started to cooperate with anyone and everyone in
Speaker 8: the media because I wanted my son's picture out there
Speaker 8: just in case somebody had him, just in case he
Speaker 8: was out there and he was traveling around and somebody
Speaker 8: could see him, and and that was just important because
Speaker 8: they were my external voice helping me. For instance, well,
Speaker 8: there was a newscast I believe it was on that Monday,
Speaker 8: and one of the channels was talking about Jared and
Speaker 8: they were showing his picture, and there was a arranger
Speaker 8: at in Mason Very National Park and he was eating
Speaker 8: dinner with his wife and Jared's face came on the screen.
Speaker 8: And when Jared's face was on the screen, the guy
Speaker 8: dropped his fork, look at his wife and said, oh
Speaker 8: my gosh, that's the little boy I saw today. I'm
Speaker 8: pretty sure it's the same kid. And so he kept
Speaker 8: watching the story and he heard it Jared and he goes,
Speaker 8: I think the man was calling him Gerald or something,
Speaker 8: and he explained to his wife. He said, this little
Speaker 8: boy was a man, and he kept breaking away from
Speaker 8: the man and running up and grabbing my hand, and
Speaker 8: I thought that was kind of strange. But I took
Speaker 8: a little boy back to the man. I thought it
Speaker 8: was his father, and a few minutes later, the little
Speaker 8: kid would break away and run back up and grab
Speaker 8: my hand again and again. He kept calling him Gerald,
Speaker 8: and he said, but this was one of the first
Speaker 8: frustrating things that happened in Jared's case, because I reported
Speaker 8: this incident to the sheriff's department, and the sheriff's department
Speaker 8: stated that they would talk to this guy. And then
Speaker 8: they came out and stated, we interviewed this guy. There's
Speaker 8: nothing to his story. It's not valid. Jared wasn't there.
Speaker 8: They're just not a whole out to his story. And
Speaker 8: every time I tried to talk about that, I was
Speaker 8: always told, you know what, the sheriff told us that
Speaker 8: he interviewed this guy. Well, when I talked to the ranger,
Speaker 8: the ranger told me that he said Alan, he said,
Speaker 8: I'm glad you called me. And this was weeks later.
Speaker 8: He said, Everyone keeps saying that the Sheriff's department called
Speaker 8: me and interviewed me. He said, no one has ever
Speaker 8: talked to me. You're the first person to ever called me.
Speaker 8: As a matter of fact, Jared disappeared October second, nineteen nine,
Speaker 8: and on September eleventh, two thousand, this arranger sent me
Speaker 8: a letter that said, even to this day that the
Speaker 8: Sheriff's Department keeps claiming they interviewed me, and to this
Speaker 8: day still no one has talked to me about your
Speaker 8: son's case.
Speaker 7: Incredible.
Speaker 8: So just a lot of frustrating things, I mean frustrating
Speaker 8: things to where you know. Again, that Thursday, during the search,
Speaker 8: I had a tracker come into my store and this
Speaker 8: tracker drew me a map and said, Alan, listen, I've
Speaker 8: tracked your son to this point right here. He said,
Speaker 8: nobody will listen to me. You need to call the
Speaker 8: sheriff and see if ill search said area. I did.
Speaker 8: I call him that night, it was a Thursday night,
Speaker 8: and asked them to search said area and they said
Speaker 8: they would let me know the next morning. When they
Speaker 8: called me back the next morning and said nope, we
Speaker 8: decided that that helicopter flew over that area. That was
Speaker 8: good enough for us. Well, three and a half years
Speaker 8: later when things were found, it was found in that
Speaker 8: exact area. Other frustrating things I've found out during the
Speaker 8: search too. I was sitting in the search and rescue
Speaker 8: trailer and two deputies were sitting next to me and
Speaker 8: they grabbed this bag and they're like, we've been searching
Speaker 8: for your son with what's in this bag? And they
Speaker 8: start passing him back and forth because they want to
Speaker 8: look at it, and they'd never unzipped the bag. They
Speaker 8: kept their clothing in the bag because of course they wouldn't.
Speaker 8: They didn't want to contamulate anything. And so I finally said,
Speaker 8: can I see that bag? And they're like, well sure,
Speaker 8: and I unzipped it and I reached in the bag
Speaker 8: and pulled the shorts out that they were looking for
Speaker 8: my son with, and I held them up. I said,
Speaker 8: you guys have been looking for my son with these
Speaker 8: shorts and they said yes, we've been waving this under
Speaker 8: the dog's nose, going hey, go find this person. I said,
Speaker 8: I really can't believe you've been doing this, because if
Speaker 8: you hold these shorts up, you'll realize they don't belong
Speaker 8: to a child. They were my shorts. And I said,
Speaker 8: no wonder, I said, every time I come up this mountain,
Speaker 8: a dog six his nose up my butt because they're
Speaker 8: looking for me. They're not looking for my child. And
Speaker 8: just took a lot of frustrating things.
Speaker 7: Now one of the most frustrating things is in the
Speaker 7: most room a couple thing for me here in another country.
Speaker 7: It is just not accustomed to these types of searches
Speaker 7: at all. Really, I mean there are some, but the
Speaker 7: prevalence of these dog searches and how many people have
Speaker 7: dogs and are willing to volunteer their time and their
Speaker 7: expertise tell us about just some of the extraordinary calls
Speaker 7: you had for volunteers from dog handlers and expertise.
Speaker 8: You know, we had people that lived in the canyon
Speaker 8: even that knew the trail quite well because they'd lived
Speaker 8: their all their life, and they tried to get up
Speaker 8: the trail and they were told no. And they ended
Speaker 8: up writing a letter to the editor of the local
Speaker 8: newspaper on why this could happen and people not utilize
Speaker 8: the expertise that's put at their fingertips. I, like I said,
Speaker 8: had several phone calls from people about five years after
Speaker 8: Jared disappeared. I had a wonderful lady come up to
Speaker 8: me and she told me that again, her dogs were
Speaker 8: the best dogs in the state. They had found many people.
Speaker 8: Her and her husband had tried many, many different times,
Speaker 8: and they were told no, we don't need your help.
Speaker 8: If we need you, we'll call you. And just that
Speaker 8: type of thing happened over and over and over. As
Speaker 8: a matter of fact, there's a search and rescue team
Speaker 8: in a Rapahole County here called the rapa Hale Rescue Patrol.
Speaker 8: They tried to get up the trail and they were
Speaker 8: told no. That summer, about six months after Jared disappeared,
Speaker 8: Congress Montank Cradle got in touch with him and organized
Speaker 8: a search for Jared that summer. The night before we
Speaker 8: were to go on this search, the director of the
Speaker 8: search and rescue team got a phone call from the
Speaker 8: sheriff's department and told them, if you show up on
Speaker 8: the mountain, we'll have you arrested. They called me, the
Speaker 8: sheriff of the search and rescue team, and said we
Speaker 8: were just threatened that they were going to arrest us.
Speaker 8: And I asked them, what are you going to do,
Speaker 8: and they said, we're going to go anyway, and we're
Speaker 8: going to go up in our civilian clothes, and we're
Speaker 8: going to go up as a bird watching group, and
Speaker 8: we're going to search for your son. Anyway, there was
Speaker 8: a US congressman that I ran into on the trail
Speaker 8: that day. He even said the same thing, what's going
Speaker 8: on with the Sheriff's department. Somebody called me and told me,
Speaker 8: if I knew what was right for my career, I
Speaker 8: better not show up on that trail. So there were
Speaker 8: a lot of people that were willing to get involved,
Speaker 8: but at the same time they were turned away. And
Speaker 8: I was frustrated because again I asked one of the
Speaker 8: guys in the trailer that week Jared disappeared. I said,
Speaker 8: I don't understand why you're using three dogs when you
Speaker 8: could have had ten dogs up here. And his response
Speaker 8: to me was, well, three dogs are better than ten dogs.
Speaker 8: And I said back to him, are you serious? I said,
Speaker 8: let's both walk out of this trailer and let's ask
Speaker 8: all these people around here if they would rather have
Speaker 8: ten dogs or three dogs looking for them, and let's
Speaker 8: get their answer, and if any of them says three dogs,
Speaker 8: I'll shut up on I'll leave alone. I said. It
Speaker 8: was frustrating. We had a group of the local Indian
Speaker 8: tribe show up. They knew the mountain really well. Again,
Speaker 8: they were told if you step over this rope, and
Speaker 8: they had the actual parking lot roped off, if you
Speaker 8: step over the rope and try to make an effort
Speaker 8: to get on the trail, you'll be arrested. So it's
Speaker 8: just one of those things where's it was like, come on, guys,
Speaker 8: you know this little kid's missing. Who cares right now?
Speaker 8: Put as many people up on that mountain as you can.
Speaker 8: But it never happened.
Speaker 7: Just to be fair, I think that it's pretty well
Speaker 7: demonstrated in your book that the jurisdictional what's the what's
Speaker 7: the word? Did? The jurisdictional sort of conflicts that police
Speaker 7: get into what was in play here? And the other
Speaker 7: thing was, again you were questioning police, your family wanted
Speaker 7: to go on in the search when it was maybe
Speaker 7: they considered it a crime scene.
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Speaker 7: They certainly didn't explain themselves well at all their attitude
Speaker 7: in response to your should have been we should have
Speaker 7: understood your response. Instead they countered with a seemingly insensitive response.
Speaker 7: It would seem though, that with all the efforts you cite,
Speaker 7: because we could spend an hour on that. In terms
Speaker 7: of the National Guard, a couple of people volunteered from
Speaker 7: the national Guard. Then you were told by the sheriff, no,
Speaker 7: that would cost six, you know, two to five thousand,
Speaker 7: and then publicly he said it would cost five or
Speaker 7: six thousand dollars a day. I think it's fairly demonstrated
Speaker 7: in your book that he had some problem with anybody
Speaker 7: coming in and commandeering his search or usurping him in
Speaker 7: terms of the investigation. So he had that ego, that's
Speaker 7: my investigation. I'm smart enough, my people are good enough,
Speaker 7: we can search, we can conclude we didn't find him,
Speaker 7: and that's.
Speaker 8: It, exactly exactly. It was almost I could it's my ball.
Speaker 8: I'm going to play my game, and if you don't
Speaker 8: like it, I'm taking my ball and going home. And
Speaker 8: that's the way they acted. And the funny thing, the
Speaker 8: strange thing about it was, you know, you would hope
Speaker 8: that you were getting one hundred percent cooperation in the works,
Speaker 8: and one of the things that happened to us was
Speaker 8: which was pretty sad. I think it was about two
Speaker 8: weeks after Jared disappeared. The Learning Channel was doing a
Speaker 8: documentary on Jared's case, and the sheriff didn't realize there
Speaker 8: there were two cameras there. There was a camera from
Speaker 8: Channel four News and the Learning Channel guy had a
Speaker 8: little bit of camera. Well, Chris Shawl was interviewing the sheriff,
Speaker 8: and when the interview was over, they turned the camera off. Well,
Speaker 8: the sheriff thought the camera was off, and the guy
Speaker 8: with the Learning Channel is still walking around, and the
Speaker 8: sheriff stands up and he says to Chris, are you
Speaker 8: as tired of this story as we are? And then
Speaker 8: this is like two weeks after my son's disappeared. He's
Speaker 8: just admitted and confessed on camera that he's tired of
Speaker 8: this story already. He had no idea that someone was
Speaker 8: filming him. And when that actual story aired on TV,
Speaker 8: I had several phone calls that night, a lot of
Speaker 8: frustrated people and them it was just hard thinking, you know,
Speaker 8: is that the problem is that way, The effort isn't
Speaker 8: there anymore because you guys are tired of the story
Speaker 8: so very confusing.
Speaker 7: It might just be what he senses as a personal failure.
Speaker 7: I know that that rings true with most of the
Speaker 7: detectives that are in homicide, that they taken into personal
Speaker 7: So if anyone tries to elude or intimate that they
Speaker 7: don't care enough, you know. So, I think maybe was
Speaker 7: an involvement of the the failure and then somebody attributing
Speaker 7: that failure to him and his department. Now with this
Speaker 7: as well, and again you really don't isn't demonstrated in
Speaker 7: the book that these media appearances did anything other than
Speaker 7: put this story of your son's your missing son, in
Speaker 7: the national spotlight. And we're talking about today, we're talking
Speaker 7: about Good Morning America in the beginning. So tell us
Speaker 7: about these appearances. You fell into this reluctantly, but tell
Speaker 7: us how you evolved in terms of dealing with the
Speaker 7: media and your overall experience with the media and what
Speaker 7: you thought it was its effect in this story.
Speaker 8: Well, again, when it came to the media, I didn't
Speaker 8: know where my son was. I didn't know what happened
Speaker 8: to him. I didn't know if he was out there,
Speaker 8: and I didn't know if he was alive or not.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 8: I actually enjoyed, in a way talking to the media
Speaker 8: because I always thought, in my mind, what if Jared
Speaker 8: is out there, What if somebody has him and Jared
Speaker 8: sees Daddy on TV saying I'm still looking for my son.
Speaker 8: And that was something that was big in my heart.
Speaker 8: I wanted anytime someone wanted to call me or wanted
Speaker 8: to talk to me, it was yes, it will, no doubt,
Speaker 8: I will talk to you, because again again, because I said,
Speaker 8: I wanted Jared to know I was looking for him,
Speaker 8: and I wanted everybody out there to see Jared's picture constantly.
Speaker 8: That way, if somebody had him somewhere, the Sheriff's department
Speaker 8: could receive a phone call and I'd find my son.
Speaker 8: So a lot of the people in the media became
Speaker 8: really good friends of mine. They would they would call me,
Speaker 8: I mean a year later and say, hey, you know,
Speaker 8: let's go back up the trail, let's talk. Let's uh,
Speaker 8: let's keep your son's picture out there. And so they
Speaker 8: started seeing it the same way I was seeing it.
Speaker 8: If Jared's out there, let's let's let's take advantage of this,
Speaker 8: let's post this picture again. So many many times, in
Speaker 8: many different situations, the media to me became my friend
Speaker 8: and they became someone that I could utilize to the point,
Speaker 8: like I said, where a lot of them became first name,
Speaker 8: very close friends, to where if something came up, they
Speaker 8: would call me and say, Alan, I know you're going
Speaker 8: to go down and this is going to happen today.
Speaker 8: Can I be there with you? I just want to
Speaker 8: be there with you. I won't have my camera and
Speaker 8: I just want to be there with you. And I
Speaker 8: was in several situations too where you know, someone would
Speaker 8: be interviewing me and the person behind the camera doing
Speaker 8: the filming has tears running down their face. So it
Speaker 8: was almost like they became my extended family and they
Speaker 8: were actually trying to help me achieve something I want
Speaker 8: to do. Achieve and I will find my son.
Speaker 7: You mentioned another important person in this story, and I
Speaker 7: think his name is Sue s the Aux. But he
Speaker 7: talks about the cat the Mountain Lion controversy and his
Speaker 7: investigation and his experience on the trail tell us about
Speaker 7: who I may be mispronounced as Sue explained, so.
Speaker 8: They call him Sue. He's a huge guy. He is
Speaker 8: a US ranger he's in the military. I believe he's
Speaker 8: still in the military. But Sue was a tracker and
Speaker 8: he worked for a tracking organization and he would take
Speaker 8: his skills that the government taught him to search for
Speaker 8: different things in other countries and he would try to find,
Speaker 8: you know, missing people here. Well, the thing about Sue
Speaker 8: was he originally went up the mountain and at one
Speaker 8: time he had thought he had found Jared's tracks, and
Speaker 8: he had thought that they intersected tracks of a mountain lion.
Speaker 8: So he was kind of confused. He wanted to go
Speaker 8: back up there and check it out again. Well again
Speaker 8: it hit the media a you know, tracker finds boys
Speaker 8: tracks and they intersect with the mountain lion, so the
Speaker 8: big the mountain lion theory comes out again. Well, the
Speaker 8: next day they brought in a Department of Wildlife expert,
Speaker 8: and this Department of Wildlife expert went and observed the
Speaker 8: same tracks, and they came with conclusion that the tracks
Speaker 8: that they thought were Jared's were actually the tracks of
Speaker 8: a bear and a mountain lion in the same area,
Speaker 8: but they weren't Jared's. But Sue was instrumental from the
Speaker 8: perspective that, like I said, even though he thought one thing.
Speaker 8: One day, he's the one who actually ended up. He
Speaker 8: showed up at my resort, came in and I was
Speaker 8: trying to avoid everyone. Again. He came up. He was
Speaker 8: buying some food, some drinks, and I was behind the counter,
Speaker 8: and Sue had said to me, he said, oh, man,
Speaker 8: I just got off the mountain went up there looking
Speaker 8: for a little boy. And I told him, I said,
Speaker 8: I really want to thank you. I want to thank
Speaker 8: you from the bottom of my heart for helping. And
Speaker 8: he looked at me and said, why do you need
Speaker 8: to thank me? And I said, well, because Jared's my son.
Speaker 8: And that's when Sue kind of broke down and shared
Speaker 8: everything with me. He took out a piece of paper,
Speaker 8: took out a pen, drew this trail, drew the trail
Speaker 8: perfectly the campsites, and put an X. He's right here.
Speaker 8: So Sue was really instrumental, I believe in the beginning.
Speaker 8: He actually, I think, really had a good idea where
Speaker 8: we could find Jared. But again, like I said, they
Speaker 8: refused to send anybody up in that area.
Speaker 7: Now I know it was you know, it seemed, at
Speaker 7: least by the book that it was too little too
Speaker 7: late when they did realize that the clothes that they
Speaker 7: were using for the scent were wrong. You provided clothing
Speaker 7: or your family provided clothing of Jared's. Was there any
Speaker 7: way of going back over the same area did they
Speaker 7: contemplate that? Did they do that? Or they did just
Speaker 7: move to another area with the new clothes that you
Speaker 7: provided with the scent of Jared.
Speaker 8: Well, I think by the time they had received that
Speaker 8: it was I'm going to guess, four or five days
Speaker 8: already into the search. So again, the scent in itself,
Speaker 8: with the wind blowing up there in different weather conditions,
Speaker 8: you know, a little bit of snow coming down on
Speaker 8: the works, the scent they were having a hard time
Speaker 8: picking up a cent. Later on, Every once in a
Speaker 8: while they said that the dog would pick it up
Speaker 8: in a certain area that it would disappear. So the
Speaker 8: longer they went without using the proper scent, the harder
Speaker 8: it was for the dogs to pick up the Jared scent.
Speaker 7: Now, with that being said, tell us what they do
Speaker 7: find in terms of what they do conclude. What does
Speaker 7: the shriff conclude publicly or privately off the record or otherwise,
Speaker 7: were you in the loop? Tell us about the entire
Speaker 7: thing of what he concludes happened on that mountain and
Speaker 7: what he excludes as a possibility.
Speaker 8: Well, originally, again, like I said, people were, you know,
Speaker 8: throwing the mountain lion theory around, but it wasn't bought
Speaker 8: by and of course again it was just a theory.
Speaker 8: It was you know, months after jaredy disappeared and I
Speaker 8: called the sheriff and we were talking on the phone
Speaker 8: and I actually said to him, you know, Amanda, man,
Speaker 8: what do you think happened to my son? He said,
Speaker 8: I really believe your son fell in the river right there,
Speaker 8: because the river was running by the trail. He said,
Speaker 8: I believe he fell in the river. The river is very,
Speaker 8: very cold, and it's going to take at least five
Speaker 8: years for his body to come back up. That's his
Speaker 8: actual theory that he told me. He didn't believe anything
Speaker 8: about a mountainline. He thought Jared actually drowned the river.
Speaker 7: Could you talk about in the book that the possibility
Speaker 7: of a three year old with the temperatures that would
Speaker 7: happen overnight, what was really in terms of that calculation?
Speaker 7: How many nights could he have survived on his own
Speaker 7: in that kind of weather?
Speaker 8: Wow? You know to me and thinking about that a
Speaker 8: lot of I just that very first night, I just
Speaker 8: remember when when the sun went down and it started
Speaker 8: to get cold, and I sat outside and I was
Speaker 8: up all night long just waiting for the sun to
Speaker 8: come back up. And I can remember the sun coming
Speaker 8: back up the next day, and I was just praying God,
Speaker 8: you know, warm warm the air up again, just in
Speaker 8: case Jarry's out there, you know, warm it up, make
Speaker 8: sure he's taken care of him. And again I really
Speaker 8: believed they would find him the very next day too.
Speaker 8: But after several nights had gone by, the weather being cold,
Speaker 8: I didn't think that Jared could survive the weather. But
Speaker 8: at the same time, one of the searchers that very
Speaker 8: first moment I met him, said to me, if he's
Speaker 8: up here, we'll find him. So as time went by,
Speaker 8: even though the weather was cold and they were having
Speaker 8: a hard time finding anything, I started thinking the opposite.
Speaker 8: He said, if he's up here, we'll find him. Well,
Speaker 8: then maybe the reason they're not finding him is because
Speaker 8: he's not up there. So again the weather was getting bad,
Speaker 8: but at the same time, my mind was already going
Speaker 8: in a different direction.
Speaker 7: You talked about Congressman Tan Credo putting out press releases
Speaker 7: and advocating on your behalf. Let's also talk about the
Speaker 7: scenarios official five scenarios quickly. What could have possibly happened,
Speaker 7: as you outlined in the book at that time, what
Speaker 7: was the five possible scenarios?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, there was a scenario where it could
Speaker 8: have been an animal. He could have drowned, could have
Speaker 8: fallen and gotten hurt. He could have been taken off
Speaker 8: the mountain. And there's one morning I can't remember what
Speaker 8: it was off the top of my head, but those
Speaker 8: are the four big ones. And he had just been
Speaker 8: lost out there. So again, again, like I said, people
Speaker 8: would ask me constantly, what do you believe leave a
Speaker 8: mountain lyon took him? Do you believe he was kidnapped?
Speaker 8: Do you believe he's in the river? Do you believe
Speaker 8: he's just dead out there? And to me, it's like,
Speaker 8: you know what, as long as there's nothing to support
Speaker 8: any theory, I believe them all. Anything could have happened
Speaker 8: to him. So I put the scenarios in the book
Speaker 8: to explain more or less what I was being told constantly.
Speaker 8: Hare I'm a father sitting here and all this stuff
Speaker 8: was being thrown at me daily and I was trying
Speaker 8: to digest at all. So I put the scenarios in
Speaker 8: the book so the reader could read each one and say,
Speaker 8: you know what, here's what I had to go through.
Speaker 8: What do you think happened?
Speaker 7: Yeah, the one scenario you had was that he just
Speaker 7: had knocked himself out.
Speaker 8: Right fall and knocked himself out.
Speaker 7: And yeah, now you tried to get the FBI involved,
Speaker 7: and they said no, there was no foul play, so
Speaker 7: they didn't want to get involved. And you were reaching
Speaker 7: out to people and again in this time of anguish,
Speaker 7: but also trying to do something constructive again with this energy.
Speaker 7: And then there was an announcement that abduction was ruled out.
Speaker 7: So tell us what your reaction is, what did you
Speaker 7: do and what were the actual statements, and tell us
Speaker 7: about this.
Speaker 8: Well. I was told abduction was ruled out because it's
Speaker 8: not that likely that it was going to happen. As
Speaker 8: a matter of fact, I tried to get with the FBI,
Speaker 8: and the FBI actually told me, you know what, there's
Speaker 8: no evidence of abduction. There has to be something there
Speaker 8: that we could look into that says, yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: we see this and the works, and I argued with
Speaker 8: him back and forth constantly. I asked him, I said, Okay,
Speaker 8: if you're at my house and my child is in
Speaker 8: my backyard and a guy jumps the fence, grabs my child,
Speaker 8: jumps back over the fence and runs, where's the evidence.
Speaker 8: I said, there is no evidence. He's just gone. And
Speaker 8: for you to claim that just because there's no evidence
Speaker 8: he wasn't abducted, it was very confusing. So I tried
Speaker 8: to constddenly pushed that. I talked to several people and
Speaker 8: I just let him know, you know, there's there's something
Speaker 8: that's strange here. I mean, with the fact that there
Speaker 8: was a scream and someone could have come down from
Speaker 8: from the other side of the trail, that should that
Speaker 8: should indicate something. I mean, people were actually when when
Speaker 8: cars would would pull under our resort, sheriff deputies are
Speaker 8: actually going into these trucks and cars, and they were
Speaker 8: they were actually looking for Jared because at one time
Speaker 8: someone had offered a ten thousand dollars reward, and I
Speaker 8: was told that they told this guy to take the
Speaker 8: reward off the table because if somebody had kidnapped Jared,
Speaker 8: they could kill him, take his body put him back
Speaker 8: up there and then yell and scream we found him,
Speaker 8: just to get the reward. But there were a lot
Speaker 8: of things that that they looked at in that direction.
Speaker 8: But at the same time when they rolled it out,
Speaker 8: I just really wasn't sure, you know what evidence they
Speaker 8: had to rule something out. Is really confused over that.
Speaker 7: Now you've got some initiatives done, Amber Alert. There's some
Speaker 7: things with the governor and some amazing things that you
Speaker 7: did with your twin brother Arlen in terms of some
Speaker 7: just incredible, beyond coincidence things that happened, and you bump
Speaker 7: into the right people and you get back into the
Speaker 7: governor's office and you get your instrumental and making some changes.
Speaker 7: So all the media attention and all the things and
Speaker 7: the interviews that you did, your whole family did to
Speaker 7: try to make some kind of positive change worked. Tell
Speaker 7: us about the initiatives that were done before we get
Speaker 7: into before we talk about the discovery of the clothing.
Speaker 8: Sure, you know it was one of those things. Again,
Speaker 8: I wanted to keep jared legacy alive. I wanted people
Speaker 8: to always remember him, and we tried to change laws
Speaker 8: throughout the state of Colorado. We tried to implement maybe
Speaker 8: a tracker card, so if a tracker showed up, they
Speaker 8: could go on the trail flash of the card they'd
Speaker 8: let on, they'd be let on the trail and they
Speaker 8: can help with the search. We testified to have the
Speaker 8: Amber Alert law put here in Colorado, and it was
Speaker 8: kind of nice because at the time, of course, we
Speaker 8: didn't have it, and I just thought that was important
Speaker 8: because what if Jared were abducted, you know, could something
Speaker 8: have been done, could an announcement have been out there
Speaker 8: where they could have been looking for him a lot sooner.
Speaker 8: And so we pushed for the Amber Alert and actually
Speaker 8: got a chance to set with them. Governor Owens on
Speaker 8: April first, two thousand and eight to sign the actual
Speaker 8: Amber Alert law into law here in Colorado. Representative Sarah
Speaker 8: Galardi here in the state of Colorado also pushed through
Speaker 8: a proclamation called Recreational Safety Awareness Week to honor all
Speaker 8: the search and rescue teams here in Colorado in Jared's name,
Speaker 8: promote recreational safety throughout Colorado. So we helped push that
Speaker 8: through and we've done a lot of things here in
Speaker 8: Colorado till like I said, honor those who those people
Speaker 8: who helped us and at the same time tried to
Speaker 8: bring safety and understanding to everyone that uses the womerness
Speaker 8: here in Colorado. And like you said, too, we have
Speaker 8: the opportunity to speak to to get to know Governor
Speaker 8: Owens quite well. And then all of a sudden, Governor
Speaker 8: Owens is gone, and then the next governor comes in,
Speaker 8: and I'm thinking, okay, gosh, you know, I no longer
Speaker 8: have a connection, you know, here at the capitol here
Speaker 8: in Colorado. And we'll find out that where I'm from
Speaker 8: Central California, our actual lieutenant governor, her sister, well, the
Speaker 8: lieutenant governor was born in the same place I'm raised
Speaker 8: in And so all of a sudden we have this connection.
Speaker 8: Just out of the blue. This lady says, my sister
Speaker 8: is the lieutenant governor and he'd like to talk to
Speaker 8: her let me know. And before I knew it, I
Speaker 8: was back into the Governor's office. I'm working to do
Speaker 8: one of the things actually film the commercial with the
Speaker 8: governor talking about treill safety and stuff. So it was
Speaker 8: quite interesting.
Speaker 7: Now let's talk about the very important call about the clothing.
Speaker 7: Tell us about this. I thought this was one of
Speaker 7: the most profound moments in this book, Please tell us
Speaker 7: about it.
Speaker 8: Well, there were several times in the years, throughout the
Speaker 8: years that somebody would would find something on the mountain
Speaker 8: and they would call the Sheriff's department and the clothing
Speaker 8: the article was held on to and take them to
Speaker 8: the Sheriff's department and they would call me and I
Speaker 8: had I'd have to verify. No, that doesn't blow to Jared,
Speaker 8: you know. Sorry. But one day I was out, I
Speaker 8: was just shopping with a friend of mine and I
Speaker 8: got a phone call. And the phone call was from
Speaker 8: the sheriff and he said, Alan, He said, I'm we
Speaker 8: think we found Jared's clothing. And I just about passed
Speaker 8: out right then I'm like, wow, it's been over three
Speaker 8: and a half years. You think you found my son's clothing.
Speaker 8: And he said, I need you to come to four
Speaker 8: Collins to look at the clothing and verify its Jared's. Well,
Speaker 8: I asked him, I said, do you have pictures of
Speaker 8: the clothing, and he said yes. I said, can you
Speaker 8: email them to me. Let me run home and look
Speaker 8: at the pictures and I will tell you if they
Speaker 8: belonged to Jared. So I got home, I raised home,
Speaker 8: got my computer on opened up this email and a
Speaker 8: picture of this little jacket shows up, and my body
Speaker 8: starts to shake me because it's my son's jacket. And
Speaker 8: then another picture starts to show up, and it's my
Speaker 8: it's my son's my son's shoes. Then another one it's
Speaker 8: my son's pants, and I'm like, oh my god, those
Speaker 8: are my son's clothing. And it was really, really, really
Speaker 8: difficult to look at those pictures and know that they
Speaker 8: actually found something that belonged to Jared. And at the time,
Speaker 8: I took the email and I emailed those pictures to
Speaker 8: my family, to my brother, to my father and stuff.
Speaker 8: And my father calls me within minutes after I sent
Speaker 8: him then email, and he said, don't you think that's strange?
Speaker 8: And I said, what's strange?
Speaker 7: Dad?
Speaker 8: He said, don't you think Jared's pants are strange? And
Speaker 8: I said, I don't know what you're talking about that
Speaker 8: He said, look at him. His pants are inside out.
Speaker 8: So I went back to the pictures and I started
Speaker 8: looking at the pictures and I'm like, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 8: his pants are inside out. They looked like somebody had
Speaker 8: pulled them off of them and thrown them up there
Speaker 8: on the mountain. Now, when you look at the picture
Speaker 8: of his pants, of course one of the legs is
Speaker 8: missing and their sweat pants are. And the reason why
Speaker 8: the the lake was missing was when you get up
Speaker 8: on the on the mountain side, right there, that blue
Speaker 8: blure material was all over the mountain side. And the
Speaker 8: reason why it was all over the place there were
Speaker 8: birds and rodents and different little animals pulling the blure
Speaker 8: off the pants and they were using it as nesting.
Speaker 8: So when you see that one lake missing, originally, oh
Speaker 8: my gosh, why is it lake missing? But after you
Speaker 8: know a year or so, you know I mean different
Speaker 8: that I said, different animals were using Jared's clothing to
Speaker 8: make their nest. But it was really heartbreaking to find
Speaker 8: out that not only did we find his clothes, but
Speaker 8: again all of a sudden that big question whire his
Speaker 8: pants inside out? And it was a question that haunted
Speaker 8: me so much that I did contact several people. I
Speaker 8: contacted several mountain lion experts and they all reassured me
Speaker 8: that mountain lions do not attack people and take their
Speaker 8: pants off and leave them inside out on the mountain.
Speaker 8: Something else happened there. So again it was just very
Speaker 8: disheartening when that happened.
Speaker 7: Yes, and before we get into the police response and
Speaker 7: now their new conclusion, I would I would imagine and
Speaker 7: you're now newer conclusion at least that you talked to
Speaker 7: your daughter. And we haven't spoken much about your daughter,
Speaker 7: but your daughter was in San Diego at this time
Speaker 7: visiting her mother, Angie, and you felt it important to
Speaker 7: call her and tell her what was happening and this,
Speaker 7: And also we didn't talk about Jocelyn too much, but
Speaker 7: how was it did she could cope with this? And
Speaker 7: how did she cope with this? And who were some
Speaker 7: of the people that helped her be able to handle
Speaker 7: this while you were off and doing what you had
Speaker 7: to do and focusing on some of the things that
Speaker 7: you had to do.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it was one of those things that
Speaker 8: I always said. I always said that I don't know
Speaker 8: what's going through her mind. I don't know how she's
Speaker 8: handling it. It was she, Jared and Jocelyn and I
Speaker 8: were all very close and they were already clinging. They
Speaker 8: liked to hold in my hand. No matter where we went,
Speaker 8: we held hands, and so after Jared disappeared, Jocelyn continued
Speaker 8: to do that. So I didn't know if that was
Speaker 8: just her normal behavior or was she being frustrated. The
Speaker 8: thing is that she just she knew there was something different,
Speaker 8: But I don't really know if she really understood, you know,
Speaker 8: what had happened, because I know when she first went
Speaker 8: back to school, a lot of her friends were coming
Speaker 8: up and hugging her and telling her that, you know,
Speaker 8: they were sorry and all that. And to her, Jocelyn
Speaker 8: always believed Jared was alive out there and always believed
Speaker 8: he would walk in the door in one of these days.
Speaker 8: So I think with that little that hope and that innocence,
Speaker 8: she never took herself to the worst case scenario. I mean,
Speaker 8: she believed wholeheartedly that we would find Jared up till
Speaker 8: about a year and a half ago, and she just
Speaker 8: turned twenty two, so you know, from she was six
Speaker 8: until twenty one, she honestly believed that my brother's alive, dad,
Speaker 8: And you know, you, whatever it takes, you keep looking
Speaker 8: for him because I want to see him again.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So when you told him that told her that
Speaker 7: they'd found the clothes, she thought, she's, well, then that
Speaker 7: means he's okay, right, daddy, exactly.
Speaker 8: You know, when I had told her I called her
Speaker 8: and I said, Johnson, I have to tell you that.
Speaker 8: I said, they found Jared's clothes. And her response, like
Speaker 8: you said, she said a couple of things. She said, well,
Speaker 8: that means he's okay then, right, daddy, And I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 8: I guess he's okay. And she said she also said
Speaker 8: to me, well, Daddy, if he's if he's not here
Speaker 8: with this, and if he's if he's with God, then
Speaker 8: we'll see him again. So he's okay. And she had that.
Speaker 8: She had a really nice positive response that made me
Speaker 8: feel good because she was trying to make me feel better, like, Daddy,
Speaker 8: it's okay. You're going to see Jerry again one of
Speaker 8: these days anyway. So don't worry about it.
Speaker 7: Before we get into the media response of this news,
Speaker 7: because you have to again another press release, a round
Speaker 7: of press releases after this evidence, after this confirmation. What
Speaker 7: is the police conclusion again, the official or otherwise, and
Speaker 7: what is your new idea about what happened? As horrifying
Speaker 7: as it might be to contemplate.
Speaker 8: Well, the conclusion was again, oh you know, it had
Speaker 8: to be a mountain lion attack. And to me, it's like,
Speaker 8: I don't know if people were looking for reasons to
Speaker 8: validate the mountain lion theory. But I was always looking
Speaker 8: for reasons to tell people it wasn't a mountain lion
Speaker 8: because I had a hard time believing that. Number one again,
Speaker 8: so that was pushed out to the media constantly. A
Speaker 8: matter of fact, you can go to different websites right
Speaker 8: now and they talk about the mountain lion constantly. But
Speaker 8: in my heart, it was like, okay, wait a second.
Speaker 8: Number one, his pants again, we're inside out. Number two,
Speaker 8: when they found his clothing, they sent his clothing to
Speaker 8: the CBI and they tested his clothing for blood and
Speaker 8: for mountain lion hares. No mountain lion hairs were found,
Speaker 8: and no blood was found on Jared's clothing. So in
Speaker 8: my thought process, it's like, Okay, wait a second. You know,
Speaker 8: a mountain lion would have created a lot of blood.
Speaker 8: Number One, again, they a mountain lion will attack the
Speaker 8: stomach area, the stomach region and ripped something apart and
Speaker 8: try to consume it with Jared had a jacket on
Speaker 8: and the front of that jacket has not been ripped
Speaker 8: or torn. And again I was told that jacket would
Speaker 8: have been ripped to pieces. And it would have been stained.
Speaker 8: So I continuously looked for other things, you know, I
Speaker 8: wanted to I wanted to believe my son was still alive.
Speaker 8: And again too the doctor Baden out of New York,
Speaker 8: who's just a famous doctor, we talked on the phone
Speaker 8: and he told me, he said, Alan, he said, if
Speaker 8: you look at Jared's shoes and you look at his clothing,
Speaker 8: I promise you, and I guarantee you out of all
Speaker 8: the years of my experience, that stuff's been thrown back
Speaker 8: up on the mountain on a later date, just to
Speaker 8: throw you off the trail. Do not let anybody talk
Speaker 8: you into a mountain lion theory because it didn't happen.
Speaker 8: So again, it was just that that battle going back
Speaker 8: and forth, you know, one side saying this is what
Speaker 8: it is, and me trying to talk to people saying,
Speaker 8: but there's evidence that it didn't happen.
Speaker 7: And I just spoke about the doctors, so you've we
Speaker 7: might as well talk about that. Then of course, then
Speaker 7: what is it also your theory? And what is his theory?
Speaker 7: After that conclusion comes to him this more information that
Speaker 7: somebody put the clothes up there after the fact, that
Speaker 7: throw you off the trail. What can you conclude from this?
Speaker 7: Only again, we know it's not a mountain lion. But
Speaker 7: what is right?
Speaker 8: What I what I was told was it looked like
Speaker 8: somebody had taken Jared just right out, you know. It
Speaker 8: was someone took him off the mountain and they kept him.
Speaker 8: And they been following the media too, and they've been
Speaker 8: hearing all this stuff, and so they, like I said,
Speaker 8: they threw that, threw the clothing back up there to
Speaker 8: throw anybody off the trail. But doctor Baden wasn't a
Speaker 8: mountain lion. And he even told me at the time
Speaker 8: when they first originally found Jared's clothing, that's all they found. Now,
Speaker 8: he said, I can't promise you he's not alive, because
Speaker 8: if somebody took him, they could have killed him somewhere else,
Speaker 8: or they could have killed him and maybe put something
Speaker 8: else back up on the mountain, he said, but I
Speaker 8: will promise you that's the clothing hasn't been up there
Speaker 8: for three and a half years. And he actually came
Speaker 8: out and said, you're gonna they had, Like I said,
Speaker 8: all they found was clothing, And a week later they
Speaker 8: were they'd searched the mountain for the week trying to
Speaker 8: find anything else besides the clothing. And a week after
Speaker 8: they had found the clothing, I myself went up the
Speaker 8: trail to help them search for, you know, anything else
Speaker 8: they could find. But doctor Baden in the media would
Speaker 8: he kept saying, I'm not sure why they're not finding anything.
Speaker 8: If the boy is up there, they're going to find
Speaker 8: at least a tooth. And he kept saying that over
Speaker 8: and over and over. So which leaves up to the
Speaker 8: next part of the story.
Speaker 7: So yeah, well, okay, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And instead a week later we I'm not gonna
Speaker 8: go into what happened to me at the bottom of
Speaker 8: the mountain when I was trying to get up the mountain.
Speaker 8: It was really frustrating again, but I will say that
Speaker 8: once I did go up the trail that next weekend,
Speaker 8: and when we were going up the trail, I was
Speaker 8: finally got to the top of the mounta when they
Speaker 8: found Jared's cloning was almost like five hundred feet and
Speaker 8: almost at a It was a pretty good incline going
Speaker 8: up the cliff right there. And as soon as I
Speaker 8: got there, over the radio they said, hey, is mister
Speaker 8: added Darrow here yet? And somebody says, yeah, I just
Speaker 8: got here. Oh good, can you let him know we
Speaker 8: found a tooth. And like I said, they've been arguing
Speaker 8: back and forth in the media and the sheriff and
Speaker 8: doctor Baiden. You'd find a tooth and one person would say,
Speaker 8: you know, the doctor would say you'd find a tooth.
Speaker 8: The sheriff would say, no, you want, We're not gonna
Speaker 8: find anything. And mysteriously this tooth shows up along later
Speaker 8: on along with the top skull cap of a cranium
Speaker 8: and they find that, well, a tooth. The interesting thing
Speaker 8: about the tooth is the tooth looked to be too
Speaker 8: big to be to belong to a three and a
Speaker 8: half year old, and so that in itself was kind
Speaker 8: of strange. And so we had a DNA test done
Speaker 8: on both the tooth and the cranium, and the original
Speaker 8: DNA test came back. It wasn't conclusive that it was
Speaker 8: Jared' where they couldn't roll it out. But the weird
Speaker 8: thing was when the tooth came back. I wasn't told
Speaker 8: this until I sent the evidence. They gave me a
Speaker 8: report of what they call electoral pharograms that are created
Speaker 8: during a DNA test. I sent this report to an
Speaker 8: expert in Ohio. He gets back with me and says,
Speaker 8: did you know that the DNA performed on the tooth?
Speaker 8: It was contaminated And I'm like, what do you mean
Speaker 8: it's contaminated? He said, well, the DNA belonged that the DNA.
Speaker 8: There are two people's DNA in this tooth. He said,
Speaker 8: I don't know how this happens, because we as experts
Speaker 8: never do anything. We would never let anything get contaminated.
Speaker 8: So with that in mind, again, like I said, the
Speaker 8: tooth looked to be too big to be to belong
Speaker 8: to a three and a half year old child. So
Speaker 8: with that in mind, it created more questions. Why was
Speaker 8: this tooth, what was the DNA examinated? Why was it
Speaker 8: totally destroyed? How come I can't have part of it
Speaker 8: to since somewhere else again? And then through that entire mess,
Speaker 8: somebody else gets involved. You know a guy by a
Speaker 8: guy by the name of John Cameron, who is a
Speaker 8: retired cold case investigator, and he came up with a
Speaker 8: theory that he believed that Jared's body someone kidnaps Jared
Speaker 8: and his body was literally with another person that he
Speaker 8: had kidnapped, and both bodies that they were, they were deceased,
Speaker 8: and so when he went to place the cranium back
Speaker 8: up on the on the mountain to throw people off,
Speaker 8: he grabbed a tooth and grabbed the wrong tooth. And
Speaker 8: the reason why he was contaminating with two different DNAs
Speaker 8: was because both these diseased bodies were laying side by side.
Speaker 8: And therefore now this tooth is contaminated. And that's because
Speaker 8: the wrong toothless will back up on the trail.
Speaker 7: Yes, incredible, I mean, it's amazing. John Cameron was on
Speaker 7: the program with his I guess you can only say
Speaker 7: a fantastic book in terms of the claims in an
Speaker 7: incredible book. John Cameron with it's me so weaving himself
Speaker 7: into this story as well, just incredible, amazing. Now what
Speaker 7: it sounds like too when just to me, and again
Speaker 7: I'm not a criminal profiler, but what was the theory
Speaker 7: as to why this Scott free criminal went to the
Speaker 7: degree they did to plant these clothes back up? Was
Speaker 7: there any any exploration of why this person in terms
Speaker 7: of motivation, would want to bring the clothes back up
Speaker 7: to the trail after all those all that time, What
Speaker 7: would be the purpose of that other than the psycho path,
Speaker 7: you know, just a psychopathic serial killer kind of trait. Well,
Speaker 7: the information I was given was he liked a person
Speaker 7: that would do this is a person that liked to
Speaker 7: more or less mess with families, more or less show
Speaker 7: families that you know, he's smarter than than they are,
Speaker 7: and he can do these things and you know, kill
Speaker 7: these people. And and he had he had a strange motivation.
Speaker 8: I was told that this that this killer may have,
Speaker 8: uh not liked people who believed in God. And he
Speaker 8: knew that you had a cross up there on that
Speaker 8: at your at your resort, and so you know, he
Speaker 8: was just at that at the right place, at the
Speaker 8: right time and saw Jared and took him. He liked
Speaker 8: to just kind of make fun of people. He wanted
Speaker 8: to hide things for years and then throw things back
Speaker 8: out there just to show that, hey, guess what, I'm
Speaker 8: still here. So it was more of a way that
Speaker 8: this person would kind of had an antagonistic behavior to
Speaker 8: where he knew he could get away with things, and
Speaker 8: at the same time, he would wait till when you
Speaker 8: least expected it to throw another clue out there. But
Speaker 8: he was also he was always trying to show that
Speaker 8: I don't know. There was just a strange behavior where
Speaker 8: he wanted people to know he was in charge. And
Speaker 8: that's you know what some people believe about, you know,
Speaker 8: a killer that may have put Jared back up There.
Speaker 7: Does add some validity to what Cameron suggests and I
Speaker 7: believes in terms of the because this is one thing
Speaker 7: that we didn't go into in this book is I
Speaker 7: know you were involved with Christian Fellowship, but you do
Speaker 7: talk about this book, and many true crime books would
Speaker 7: be hesitant or publishers would be hesitant in having this much.
Speaker 7: You have a chapter called Divine Intervention. But it does
Speaker 7: make sense in terms of your faith and how your
Speaker 7: faith how you can reconcile this an incredible tragic event.
Speaker 7: So it's a testament that your faith has done something
Speaker 7: for you spiritually, helping you through this and to continue
Speaker 7: on and I can't even imagine. So tell us about
Speaker 7: that faith. Tell us how initially you reconcile this, because
Speaker 7: you know you hear the story of well, you know,
Speaker 7: God works in mysterious ways. There must be some purpose. Really,
Speaker 7: how did how we were able to reconcile this? And
Speaker 7: what did your faith do and how did you get
Speaker 7: to that?
Speaker 8: You know I was. I never believed that, Okay, God,
Speaker 8: you know there's a there's a reason for this, and
Speaker 8: you know the reason and a lot of works. I
Speaker 8: just always believed that God knew what happened, and if
Speaker 8: he wanted me to know what happened, he'd let me know.
Speaker 8: And the reason right now that that I haven't found
Speaker 8: that out is because maybe he feels like I can't
Speaker 8: handle handle the truth yet. But on the other side
Speaker 8: of the going too, I've come to the conclusion at
Speaker 8: peace because you know what, when you lose a child,
Speaker 8: it's hard to get up every day, and it's hard
Speaker 8: to walk again, and you need to be able to
Speaker 8: stand upon something that allows you to get up in
Speaker 8: and take another breath.
Speaker 7: So I do.
Speaker 8: In my life, God's worked in ways where he has
Speaker 8: given me that comfort to understand that I will see
Speaker 8: my son one of these days. And I have a
Speaker 8: part in my book where I talk about how literally
Speaker 8: and this literally happened to me where I had a
Speaker 8: whisper in my ears saying, now you know what it's
Speaker 8: like to lose the sun. And I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 8: I don't want to be part of that. I lost
Speaker 8: a sun club but then I was told again, but
Speaker 8: now you also experience the joy of seeing your son
Speaker 8: again one of these days. And when that happened to me,
Speaker 8: I was okay. I was like, okay, you know what,
Speaker 8: I'm going to see my son again one of these days.
Speaker 8: I mean, my goodness, it's you know, time is gone
Speaker 8: by and it's been many years ago, and I think
Speaker 8: of Jared every single day. But at the same time,
Speaker 8: you know, I have my daughter, and I have my wife,
Speaker 8: and I have a wonderful life and I'm just thankful
Speaker 8: that God has giving me the courage and the drink
Speaker 8: to get up every day, and He's provided peace to me.
Speaker 8: And that peace is also peace knowing that my son
Speaker 8: is smiling at me still, and I know that.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. I wanted to mention too that a real friend
Speaker 7: of the program True Murder facilitated this or really really
Speaker 7: helped turn me on to your fine book and this
Speaker 7: tragic case, and that is Keith Clark. And Keith Clark
Speaker 7: is involved in a story that has some parallels very
Speaker 7: I guess, for lack of better similar a missing person,
Speaker 7: a nine year old and so he has a blog
Speaker 7: and he would like people to visit it and it's
Speaker 7: called Missing Christophervigil dot com. It's Christopher and Vigil v
Speaker 7: I G I L. And he has a Facebook page
Speaker 7: as well, a Missing Christopher Vigil And so if people
Speaker 7: could go to that, he explains the story and his
Speaker 7: involvement and his call for people to get involved if
Speaker 7: they know anything at all. And it's an admirable mission.
Speaker 7: And he was good enough to introduce me to you
Speaker 7: and your incredible story. So I want to thank Keith
Speaker 7: Clark for that and tell people that they should go
Speaker 7: visit the blog and get the information. It's an incredible
Speaker 7: story and Keith has done a real good job in
Speaker 7: moving that story ahead and learning people to the story
Speaker 7: in the first place. I want to mention that I
Speaker 7: also wanted to before we wrap up. We've only got
Speaker 7: a couple of minutes. I wanted to talk about just
Speaker 7: the involvement of your brother Arlin, and he is a
Speaker 7: co writer of this book, so he's very important to
Speaker 7: this story. And after that we want to talk about
Speaker 7: how if people want to get involved or want to
Speaker 7: hear more about this, or want to purchase a book
Speaker 7: from Tate Publishing, how they can might be able to
Speaker 7: contact you personally or again for the book and wherever
Speaker 7: they might get all that information. So tell us a
Speaker 7: little bit about Arlind, your brother, his involvement, and then
Speaker 7: tell us about how people might get involved or contact
Speaker 7: to or find out more information about this incredible tale.
Speaker 8: Sure, the interesting thing about again, before I start that,
Speaker 8: I do want to thank Keith too, because Keith an
Speaker 8: excellent guy, and I appreciate everything he does. My brother, Arlin,
Speaker 8: what's nice about my brother? He's my twin brother, and
Speaker 8: so therefore, you know, it's kind of interesting because if
Speaker 8: anything happens to him, I feel like I feel it deeply,
Speaker 8: and I feel it more than I would feel it
Speaker 8: with anyone else. And he's the same with me. We
Speaker 8: have a connection that's just totally incredible. And so when
Speaker 8: I originally started writing the book, I wanted to write
Speaker 8: it to give to Joscelyn so that she could read
Speaker 8: and understand what happened for the rest of her life.
Speaker 8: And I also wanted to just document everything that that
Speaker 8: happened to me. My brother got involved because I would
Speaker 8: write things and I would send him to my brother
Speaker 8: and say, hey, you know, take a look at this.
Speaker 8: What do you think that I'm And he would get
Speaker 8: back with me and say yeah, I remember that and
Speaker 8: remember when this happened too, And so he had that
Speaker 8: insight of the person kind of like on the outside
Speaker 8: looking in at me, and where I had that insight
Speaker 8: where how it happened to me.
Speaker 7: So it was, it was.
Speaker 8: It was a nice collaboration where we could talk about
Speaker 8: things from a different direction. Plus he also interjected a
Speaker 8: lot of interesting stories in the book about different things
Speaker 8: that have happened at different places, like you said with
Speaker 8: Levine intervention and stuff like that. So just him being
Speaker 8: my twin brother was was a perfect person to sit
Speaker 8: down because we thought, alike, I could send something to
Speaker 8: him and he's like, well, yeah, you know, I was
Speaker 8: thinking the same thing. So it's just it's just been
Speaker 8: a great feeling and honor to do something with my
Speaker 8: brother and I just I'll always appreciate it. The book itself,
Speaker 8: if if you want to stay in contact with the
Speaker 8: easiest way is the name of the book is missing.
Speaker 8: When the sun sets, and it's a play on words.
Speaker 8: It's not s un it's s o n And it
Speaker 8: means my son me finally finding out what possibly may
Speaker 8: have happened to my son, and my son is starting
Speaker 8: to his life kind of set off on the horizon,
Speaker 8: and so it's missing when the sun sets, s O in.
Speaker 8: The best way again is to go to Facebook and
Speaker 8: search Missing when the sun Sets. You can email me there.
Speaker 8: There's a link also on the top to Tape Publishing
Speaker 8: where you can purchase the book. And I have several
Speaker 8: different email addresses, and one of them is Jared's father
Speaker 8: at yahoo dot com. And that's and Jared's name is
Speaker 8: spelled j A y d S. I mean j j
Speaker 8: a r y d, and so it's j A r
Speaker 8: y d s father, Jared's father at yahoo dot com.
Speaker 8: Or you can even email me at my name Alan
Speaker 8: at todero. It's all one word, a l l y
Speaker 8: n A t A d E r O at yaho
Speaker 8: dot com. But you can go to Facebook. That's the
Speaker 8: easiest way to contact me. You can email me through
Speaker 8: Facebook Missing when the sun Sets, and you can purchase
Speaker 8: the book there. And you can also follow what's going
Speaker 8: on if I find out anything new right now. For instance,
Speaker 8: I'm going back up the trail next Wednesday, and I'll
Speaker 8: be posting some pictures and talking about some things that
Speaker 8: may have happened on our new theories. It might be
Speaker 8: coming up, so you can follow the story on my
Speaker 8: Facebook page.
Speaker 7: I want to thank you very much, Alan for coming
Speaker 7: on and giving us this incredible interview and talking about
Speaker 7: this fantastic and amazing book about again an incredible event
Speaker 7: in your life that you've been able to chronicle and
Speaker 7: be able to share with this audience. So I want
Speaker 7: to thank you very much and the best of luck
Speaker 7: with this continuing ongoing search for your son Jared. To
Speaker 7: thank you very much.
Speaker 8: Appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 7: Yep, you have a great night, you too, appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Then go eight, good night, good night.