Speaker 1: Welcome Friends, its podcast podcasting time show Jack Again, Bryan,
Speaker 1: they're talking down mom back.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode two ninety nine, brought
Speaker 2: to you by Mister Boyd Productions. I'm Zaki Hassan. I'm here
Speaker 2: with Brian O.
Speaker 3: Hey. How's it going, Zachi?
Speaker 2: Hey, We're back after our what feels like a summer
Speaker 2: break kind of.
Speaker 3: I know, I mean, we still had stuff dropping, but
Speaker 3: a couple of those things we had had banked and
Speaker 3: so I actually I was telling Federica last night, like
Speaker 3: it feels weird like we've had you and I think
Speaker 3: almost like two weeks I think since we last recorded.
Speaker 2: Two weeks of not talking to each other at all.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, and we've both been traveling. We've
Speaker 3: all seen this great country of ours.
Speaker 2: It's true, which has been nice. How was it? How
Speaker 2: was your trip? It was good? Yeah. I went to Chicago,
Speaker 2: as as I tend to do during the summer. I do,
Speaker 2: I do. I've come to anticipate that as sort of
Speaker 2: my my end of summer getaway. So this year it
Speaker 2: was kind of a question mark whether I'd be able
Speaker 2: to make it because because there was baby coming. But
Speaker 2: I was able to move some things around. And it
Speaker 2: was me and my second kid. We we had a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. It was it was just the tourist,
Speaker 2: which is nice. You know, that's cool. That's cool.
Speaker 3: Bond bonding trip hopefully.
Speaker 2: And speaking of Bond, yeah, we went to the Museum
Speaker 2: of Science and Industry in in Chicago and uh, they
Speaker 2: have a Science of double oh seven exhibit there.
Speaker 3: What did I get into?
Speaker 2: Like the gadgets and uh yeah, so they got they
Speaker 2: got the props and you know that you've got the
Speaker 2: actual Golden gun wielded by by by Christopher Lee on display.
Speaker 2: You have the jet pack worn by by Sean Connery. Uh.
Speaker 2: Plus oh so many cars. You have the the the
Speaker 2: you know from Living Daylights and uh, the Spy who
Speaker 2: Loved Me and Die Another Day, Casino Roy et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. See all the cars there. For me, it
Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. And and the nice thing
Speaker 2: is my son and I had gone through the majority
Speaker 2: of the Bond movies just last year, so they were
Speaker 2: within his frame of reference, which is just extra nice.
Speaker 3: Man, that's perfect. Wow, that's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There was you know this other thing that was
Speaker 2: super cool on Navy Peers. This exhibit called Flyover Okay,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of this. It's it's similar to I
Speaker 2: think at Disney they have something called Soaring, Yes, soaring
Speaker 2: over California exactly. So this is basically that, but but Chicago.
Speaker 2: And so you you you're you know, you're in a chair.
Speaker 2: You buckle up, and it's like a dome projection of
Speaker 2: like drone footage flying in and around Chicago.
Speaker 3: Dude, that's what was It? Was there a video beforehand
Speaker 3: starring Patrick Warburton, Not.
Speaker 2: But no, not Patrick Warburton. It was, but it was
Speaker 2: a video kind of saying how awesome Chicago is, which
Speaker 2: you don't need to tell me that you you already
Speaker 2: got my ticket.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's my kind of town.
Speaker 2: It indeed, it is a personatra yeah, and I'll tell
Speaker 2: you I have not done Soaring, but this it it's
Speaker 2: what it must be like to be Superman, right right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, yep, I love it.
Speaker 3: I've only done the Disneyland one, but it's one of
Speaker 3: those things that everybody loves, you know, even though it's
Speaker 3: just getting in a chair and sitting in front of
Speaker 3: a big movie screen at like the you know, most
Speaker 3: fantastical theme park in the world. It's just that cool,
Speaker 3: you know, it's that transportive. And and also I know
Speaker 3: on the California one they spray sense into the room occasionally,
Speaker 3: so you'll go over an orange grove and you'll smell oranges.
Speaker 2: They do that similar. Yeah, And do you feel kind
Speaker 2: of wind in your face?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're at one point you kind of
Speaker 2: it goes above the skyline, so you're talking like above
Speaker 2: the Sears tower and you're looking straight down and then
Speaker 2: it drops and just I mean I'm not moving right
Speaker 2: but unconscious. I'm like, whoa, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: So that that was a I'm really glad I did that.
Speaker 2: And that was totally my son. Like we were we
Speaker 2: were running late, and I was like, all right, I
Speaker 2: don't think we're too He's like, let's just do it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad, glad we did that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good mom, glad he said something too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it helps, honestly, because because otherwise, if
Speaker 2: I have the whole clown car with me, it's it's
Speaker 2: harder to fork out for some of the stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: we did like the this speedboat thing off off of
Speaker 2: Lake Michigan, which which was just bananas because we were
Speaker 2: just completely drenched by the end of it.
Speaker 3: He sent me a picture of before and after.
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, I mean it was completely so a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. But it's I if I had everybody,
Speaker 2: i'd be like, Nope, not doing that, because I was
Speaker 2: you know, it was not cheap, but but a great time. Also,
Speaker 2: I want to mention, you know, one of our regular listeners,
Speaker 2: Adam Lance Hendrickson. You know, usually when I go to Chicago,
Speaker 2: I try to meet him. You know, we've grabbed breakfast
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, last couple of times. This time
Speaker 2: we weren't able to make breakfast work. But I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: why don't we watch Alien Romulus?
Speaker 3: Oh cool?
Speaker 2: And Adam, God bless Adam. It was his tenth anniversary
Speaker 2: and He's like, I'm going to hang out with my
Speaker 2: wife in the evening, but in the afternoon, I'm going
Speaker 2: to hang out with you.
Speaker 3: Wow, dude, that's great.
Speaker 2: So I was really glad about that. So thank you,
Speaker 2: Thank you Adam for making the time for that. I
Speaker 2: really appreciated that. Yeah, I also wanted to mention that
Speaker 2: just because this is a thing that just happened to me.
Speaker 2: I just dropped my car off for service this morning,
Speaker 2: and the service advisor at Nissan is somebody I had
Speaker 2: as a student like seventeen years ago.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So he's like, mister Hassan, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And and it took me a second, but I recognize him,
Speaker 2: and you know, he's got like great temples now and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wow, damn, you know. And and he
Speaker 2: said the nicest thing. He's like, you know, I've been
Speaker 2: on this whole journey in my life since then, and
Speaker 2: yours is one of the classes that stayed with me.
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't necessarily remember everything you taught me,
Speaker 2: but I remember how you taught it to me. Huh,
Speaker 2: like the the enthusiasm that I had being there and whatever.
Speaker 2: And I mean what else can I ask for? Right?
Speaker 3: That sounds like the highest compliment.
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: That that was? That was It got my day off
Speaker 2: to a good start.
Speaker 3: I have to say, yeah, oh man, I love that.
Speaker 3: That's so cool.
Speaker 2: But what have you been up to? Enough about me?
Speaker 2: Who cares about me? Well?
Speaker 3: I you know, spoken about well on our Twisters commentary
Speaker 3: our mutual friend Shawn you Speak co hosts on the show.
Speaker 3: He and his family moved out of California into North Carolina,
Speaker 3: and so I the family, majority of the family flew
Speaker 3: out there, but there were two dogs to also.
Speaker 2: Get Shawn's family.
Speaker 3: By the way, Shawn's family said yeah, and so Sean
Speaker 3: and I. He rented a mini van and we loaded
Speaker 3: it up with things and the two dogs and we
Speaker 3: literally drove from LA to to North Carolina.
Speaker 2: So did you have like the Bill CONTI karate Kid
Speaker 2: opening music? We should have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, instead of I remember when his mom when
Speaker 3: they arrived in California, She's like, look at those palm trees,
Speaker 3: like that's I should have been, like, look at those lighthouses,
Speaker 3: you know. When we got out there. But it was incredible.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it was very bittersweet just having Sean
Speaker 3: move out there, but it's a trip I'll never forget,
Speaker 3: you know. It was just one of those things where
Speaker 3: you get to be in a car with your your
Speaker 3: best friend for like the entire day, literally seeing the country,
Speaker 3: being where are we over in Texas? Oh okay, you know,
Speaker 3: like just one of those things, and just getting to
Speaker 3: eat random places, letting the dogs out. We were saying,
Speaker 3: you know, these dogs got to see more of the
Speaker 3: country than some other people ever get to see in
Speaker 3: their lives, you know, pee on different grasses. So it
Speaker 3: was it was a really awesome, meaningful time that meant
Speaker 3: a lot to me. And man, I feel like I
Speaker 3: missed out. Yeah, you know, it's just one of those things,
Speaker 3: you know, if if it's gonna happen and you're gonna
Speaker 3: have a friend move so far away, it's just really
Speaker 3: special to get to spend that time then on that
Speaker 3: you know, had that journey be apart, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so for folks listening, maybe more more recent
Speaker 2: comers who may not realize, you know, Sean co hosted
Speaker 2: this show with us for the first you know, about
Speaker 2: about a year and a half or so of this
Speaker 2: of this podcast. But of course he's he's dipped back
Speaker 2: in ever since. But above and beyond that, I mean
Speaker 2: he and I know I can speak for you with
Speaker 2: this too. I mean, he has been a constant presence
Speaker 2: in our lives for the better part of a quarter century. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: And and you know I've known him since high school.
Speaker 2: You known him since college, and there was that I've
Speaker 2: always had that sense that even as you know, when
Speaker 2: we lived in Chicago, he was you know, no more
Speaker 2: than fifteen minutes away. Right when I would I would
Speaker 2: go over to his parents' house so much that they
Speaker 2: would set a place for me at the dinner table.
Speaker 2: You know, I was like the Skippy if they were
Speaker 2: the Keatons.
Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna go down a worm or a
Speaker 3: rabbit hole of a reference explanation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look it up, kids. And then you know, when
Speaker 2: I moved to California, he followed shortly within a few months. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I moved to I was in the Bay Area. He
Speaker 2: moved to LA But you know, even though California's pretty
Speaker 2: big state and it's pretty far, it was like a
Speaker 2: forty five minute plane ride away, right right, And so
Speaker 2: there was a sense of like, well, Sean is right there,
Speaker 2: and and he's still right there. He's just a text
Speaker 2: message away. But there's something about knowing he's across the
Speaker 2: country now m hm. That definitely it hit me hard.
Speaker 2: But it's also I mean, this is this is life, right,
Speaker 2: he has change.
Speaker 3: There's there's many chapters in our books, and it's always
Speaker 3: kind of weird when a new chapter starts. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: then you you look back at some of the older
Speaker 3: chapters and they felt weird and different when they started,
Speaker 3: but then you're like, oh that's still A was a
Speaker 3: beautiful chapter. And I think it was nice for me
Speaker 3: being out there because it didn't feel far away. It
Speaker 3: was like, oh, well, I get to see where he
Speaker 3: is now, this is the town, this is you know whatever,
Speaker 3: it got to exist in that for a day, go
Speaker 3: to the beach with the whole family and everything, and
Speaker 3: it felt very accessible. And then I got on a
Speaker 3: plane and I flew back, and I was like, well
Speaker 3: that was easy, you know. So it's like I'll get
Speaker 3: on a plane again and fly back out there.
Speaker 2: So you did not have to ride a covered wagon
Speaker 2: Oregon Trail style.
Speaker 3: You know. There were many times when I was looking
Speaker 3: at this great nation of ours, it's landscape, and I
Speaker 3: was like, why did they keep going these crazy mountains?
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, is I can't even fathom it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: what that would have been like the trail, But hey, we're.
Speaker 2: Grateful they did the work on our behalf right that.
Speaker 3: And also I have to say, literally taking a freeway
Speaker 3: from like one ocean to the other, I marveled at
Speaker 3: like the people that built these things that plotted out
Speaker 3: all our freeways and roads and everything across and like
Speaker 3: connected this huge country of ours, Like, it's remarkable. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just to think that that road never stopped and
Speaker 3: it went all the way from one coast to the other.
Speaker 3: It really, we talked about it. We're like, that's incredible,
Speaker 3: these people that help this thing.
Speaker 2: I hope you kind of filmed a little bit of
Speaker 2: the business you encountered along the way, just sort of
Speaker 2: just attract that journey, you know. I feel like that
Speaker 2: would make a fun, you know, montage of some kind
Speaker 2: of cut together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely a little bit of film, a lot of
Speaker 3: pictures for sure. But yeah. Yeah, So then we've both
Speaker 3: both rolled back into town.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very I have to admit I was very selfishly.
Speaker 2: I was like, hurry up and get back so I
Speaker 2: can talk about alien romulus.
Speaker 3: With you know what, Well I want to now I'm
Speaker 3: get right into that, but we will, we.
Speaker 2: Will get there. Well, what else have you seen?
Speaker 3: I saw it right before I left. I saw two
Speaker 3: things that I'll mention. One is I'd mentioned it before,
Speaker 3: but the show on Hulu, The Bear, which is uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it takes place in Chicago, speaking of and
Speaker 3: about a professional chef who inherits kind of a family
Speaker 3: business where they make Italian beef sandwiches, and then he
Speaker 3: turns it into like a real high end kind of restaurant.
Speaker 3: And the journey he keeps the crew the staff on
Speaker 3: from the beef restaurant, and it's sort of the journey
Speaker 3: of going from one type of restaurant to the other.
Speaker 3: And it's a very you know, it's sort of I've
Speaker 3: said it before, but I'm sure a lot of people
Speaker 3: said this. It's like uncut gems in a restaurant. It's
Speaker 3: very intense, very stressful. But the characters are really good.
Speaker 3: And I worked in restaurants for a while, and so
Speaker 3: I really like seeing that environment. And I had heard
Speaker 3: i'd love season one, love season And by the way,
Speaker 3: when when you and I first met, you were working
Speaker 3: in a restaurant, That's right.
Speaker 2: We literally was a while you were working in said restaurant.
Speaker 3: Yep, and you were at my table and we found
Speaker 3: out that we were going to be in the same
Speaker 3: film class in a week.
Speaker 2: Cut to twenty five years later, exactly twenty five years later,
Speaker 2: who thought.
Speaker 3: Here we are. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Here we are two hundred nine ninety nine episodes into
Speaker 2: a podcast.
Speaker 3: Man, I mean, and just now like it's been off
Speaker 3: a little bit. Like I took Federica to my hometown
Speaker 3: for the first time this year, and that restaurant, Hula Hans.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a real formative experience for me
Speaker 3: working there. It was like a second college experience, honestly.
Speaker 3: And I'm still close with a lot of those people
Speaker 3: that I worked with. And it's since gone out of business,
Speaker 3: but the building is still there.
Speaker 2: But it's like, isn't it something else now?
Speaker 3: It's just a husk. I mean, it's empty. And so
Speaker 3: Federica and I went up and the whole thing was
Speaker 3: my brother and I worked there for X amount of
Speaker 3: years and there was a booth that had these two
Speaker 3: name plaques on it of these two women, and nobody
Speaker 3: knew who they were. And we're like, oh, well, my
Speaker 3: brother and I like, well, we're leaving. We've been here
Speaker 3: for a while, and I guess it's like the hubers
Speaker 3: of being twenty years old or twenty one years old.
Speaker 3: We're like, let's take those down and put up our
Speaker 3: names as plaques. And so that's what we did, like
Speaker 3: our last we took drills out and drilled those plaques,
Speaker 3: put our names into the booth. And uh I had
Speaker 3: people who you know from that town, who I went
Speaker 3: to high school with and beyond, and they would text
Speaker 3: me through the years and be like, dude, your plaques
Speaker 3: are still there, Like they're still in the booth. And
Speaker 3: so sure enough this year when when Frederica and I
Speaker 3: went out there, we looked through the window. All the
Speaker 3: tables are gone, the place is almost completely empty, but
Speaker 3: those two plaques are still on the wall.
Speaker 2: Well damn all right, Yeah, we're gonna be there.
Speaker 3: Until the roof caves in.
Speaker 2: I guess that's that's kind of that's that's like, uh,
Speaker 2: it's you know those those documentaries on the Learning Channel
Speaker 2: or something like the World Without Us sort of the
Speaker 2: World after Us? Yes, right, right, like nothing nothing left
Speaker 2: but that yep.
Speaker 3: Or like when Bart writes his name in the concrete
Speaker 3: and they're like, who was this Bart? You know, like.
Speaker 2: But yes.
Speaker 3: Going back to the Bear, Season one great, Season two
Speaker 3: I really love there was an episode that focused on
Speaker 3: one character that I think might be one of my
Speaker 3: favorite episodes of TV ever. And season three I kind
Speaker 3: of put off. I don't know why. I just wanted
Speaker 3: to be in the right mood for it, and I
Speaker 3: had heard a lot of people saying, oh, this is
Speaker 3: where it's starting to go off the rails, like they
Speaker 3: had listened to their own hype and now it's becoming
Speaker 3: a little pretentious and they're you know, certain episodes will
Speaker 3: revolve around one idea and then just spin its wheels
Speaker 3: in that idea for thirty minutes and go art, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of a thing. And so I went into that like, oh,
Speaker 3: here we go. I'm not ready to not like this thing,
Speaker 3: but I liked it. So I can see what some
Speaker 3: people are saying. Just recently. I can't recall who, but
Speaker 3: I saw someone posting about the first episode, which is
Speaker 3: essentially a montage. The whole thirty plus minutes is a montage,
Speaker 3: and it's it's almost like a previously on in a way,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of new footage and your understanding
Speaker 3: the main character a little bit more, seeing a little
Speaker 3: bit more of his past. It's very artistic. It's very
Speaker 3: out there. But it totally worked for me. And that said,
Speaker 3: there were other episodes, if you want to call them
Speaker 3: bottle episodes. I suppose that didn't work for me as well.
Speaker 3: And there was one I'll just say it's one where
Speaker 3: someone is giving birth and it becomes it's literally just
Speaker 3: two characters talking for the whole episode, and I quickly
Speaker 3: realized that's all that was going to happen, you know.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, she's gonna have a monologue, and
Speaker 3: then she's gonna have a monologue, and then the other
Speaker 3: person's gonna have a monologue.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, Like I just I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe it was the wrong night, but I was not
Speaker 3: feeling it, and I was like, Okay, this is one
Speaker 3: of those that I'm just gonna have to let go.
Speaker 3: And I watched it. But but then they had another
Speaker 3: episode where they focused on one particular character and their journey,
Speaker 3: and oh magic just like a short film, a beautiful
Speaker 3: short film about just a person. So you know, looking
Speaker 3: at the arc of the season, did we get very far?
Speaker 3: Not really? Actually, not really. I mean, they sort of
Speaker 3: set up a goal at the beginning that I don't
Speaker 3: I mean, I watched it a week ago, but I
Speaker 3: don't think we got there. But I enjoy spending time
Speaker 3: in this place, and I find the characters very compelling,
Speaker 3: and I believe I read somewhere I don't quote me
Speaker 3: man this, but I believe that the creator wanted three seasons,
Speaker 3: but Kulu wanted four and they shot these back to
Speaker 3: back three and four, So I wonder if there's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a stretching that was happening. Oh interesting,
Speaker 3: and I know that happened with ted Lasso also, where
Speaker 3: they were like, Okay, we'll do you know, ten episodes,
Speaker 3: and then Apple's like, can you give us thirteen? And
Speaker 3: then there was like these three episodes that just did
Speaker 3: not flow with the others. So I don't know if
Speaker 3: that's the case, But my opinion, I still enjoyed this world,
Speaker 3: and I'm looking forward to season four, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know I haven't I have been meaning to.
Speaker 2: My wife loves it. She ended up rewatching the first
Speaker 2: two seasons and then going right into the third one. Wow,
Speaker 2: so she really likes it. But you know, what occurs
Speaker 2: to me as we're talking about this, and maybe maybe
Speaker 2: this doesn't apply specifically to the Bear, but just in general,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, can we bring back twenty episode seasons?
Speaker 3: You know, I would love I would like there for
Speaker 3: it not to be an aversion to it. If a
Speaker 3: show has twenty episodes, let it have twenty episodes. If
Speaker 3: a show has six episodes, let it have six episodes,
Speaker 3: I'd kind of like, and it seems that is the case,
Speaker 3: I guess, but I'd like for there to be no rules,
Speaker 3: like let the story be what it wants to be, right,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you know when you talk
Speaker 2: about how there were certain episodes in the season that
Speaker 2: struck you as, oh, you know, this is they're trying
Speaker 2: to do some kind of a that gimmick. That's the
Speaker 2: wrong word, but something something different, something off the beaten paths, right,
Speaker 2: I'm like it would stick out less if there were
Speaker 2: more regular episodes. I could see that, yeah, sure, Like
Speaker 2: like I'll give an example. It's an imperfect analogy, but
Speaker 2: like with you know, on Paramount Plus, they have the
Speaker 2: Star Trek the Stranging Worlds show, right, which is something
Speaker 2: in the mold of the original series and next generation
Speaker 2: where it's kind of like your Planet of the Week show, right, right, right,
Speaker 2: except each season is ten episodes, as opposed to those
Speaker 2: shows at their peak where you were looking at you know,
Speaker 2: between twenty four and twenty six. And so what happens
Speaker 2: is like the most recent season you had one episode
Speaker 2: where it was a musical episode. So some weird space
Speaker 2: anomaly causes the crew members to start singing, right, that's fine,
Speaker 2: it's quirky, it's fun. And then they had one where
Speaker 2: it was like a crossover with the cartoon, the Lower
Speaker 2: Decks cartoon show. Right, right, totally fine, quirky, it's fun,
Speaker 2: it's different. But now it's like two quirky episodes out
Speaker 2: of eight out of ten, right, And so I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I like having those, but I also don't like losing
Speaker 2: like the the serious ones.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe there's something to also something that's a
Speaker 3: little more serialized, like Lost, a show like Lost, where
Speaker 3: maybe that would have benefited from having more like sixteen
Speaker 3: episode seasons. But when it's something that's more story of
Speaker 3: the week or sitcomy or like The Simpsons or something
Speaker 3: like that, then yeah, it'd be fun to have more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like that's a good point though, that
Speaker 3: the ones that disappoint you would stand out.
Speaker 2: Less exactly, right, because it's like, oh, we got we
Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of these, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm on this show. I've been stumping for
Speaker 2: the traditional network model of television, which, for as flawed
Speaker 2: as it was, It worked for a very long time
Speaker 2: before streaming showed up and to a lesser extent cable
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, we're gonna do it this
Speaker 2: way instead, right, and everyone followed suit, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, Well, who knows, maybe we'll be getting back
Speaker 3: to that at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of streaming, I watched one other thing that
Speaker 3: I would thought i'd bring up, which is a Disney movie.
Speaker 3: It was on Disney Plus. It's called Young Woman in
Speaker 3: the Sea and it's starring Daisy Ridley.
Speaker 2: Oh so this is the new Star Wars movie that
Speaker 2: she's Yeah, yes, it's called Star Wars Young Woman in
Speaker 2: the Sea.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it than
Speaker 3: Star Wars. Basically, well, the plot is is from IMDb
Speaker 3: says the story of competitive swimmer Gertrude Etterly, who in
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty six was the first woman to ever swim
Speaker 3: across the English Channel. And I saw this trailer in
Speaker 3: the theater and I was like, huh, it looks kind
Speaker 3: of old school, you know, it looks like sort of
Speaker 3: like a Wonderful World of Disney kind of movie. And
Speaker 3: I didn't think a lot about it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it looks nice, you know, And then I saw it
Speaker 3: was getting these really amazing reviews and so much so
Speaker 3: that I almost went to go see it in the theater.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to. I just want to see something good.
Speaker 3: It's something good that felt I didn't know. The story
Speaker 3: felt a little old fashioned in a way that appealed
Speaker 3: to me. And then I missed it. So shows up
Speaker 3: on Disney Plus and I got to say, it's exactly
Speaker 3: what I thought it was going to be. And I
Speaker 3: mean that in the best way, Like it was very
Speaker 3: reminiscent of like older Disney sports films, you know, sort
Speaker 3: of like I mean like Wild Hearts Can't be Broken,
Speaker 3: like those kind of old school things, and somewhat like
Speaker 3: Remember the Titans, things like that. I say, Wild Hearts
Speaker 3: Can't be Broken because it it's execution felt a little
Speaker 3: simple at times, you know, taking place in the twenties,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of emphasis on like, you know, girls
Speaker 3: can't swim in a pool. They never have and they
Speaker 3: never will, and you need that obviously to like for
Speaker 3: the understand the world. But it gets to the point
Speaker 3: where it almost gets repeated so many times it starts
Speaker 3: to feel like walk hard or something, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, like paroting those types of movies about like
Speaker 3: you know, girls have never crossed the sidewalk. They never
Speaker 3: have and they never will, you know, like and so
Speaker 3: so for that reason again, you need it. You need
Speaker 3: that to understand what she's working against because it's so different,
Speaker 3: well a lot different than the world we live in.
Speaker 3: But it can occasionally make the film feel like it's
Speaker 3: for a younger audience. So throwing that out there like
Speaker 3: it does feel But I mean, I think that's kind
Speaker 3: of nice. I mean, like how many family movies have
Speaker 3: come out recently that aren't like something sort of chaotic
Speaker 3: and goofy, like the Despicable Me movies or something like
Speaker 3: this is just like a cool tale, a true story.
Speaker 3: And by the end of it, I was like pumping
Speaker 3: my fist, like I was really rooting for her. You know,
Speaker 3: she has a lot that she's working against. You had
Speaker 3: people who are working against her. And then of course
Speaker 3: it's hard enough trying to swim the English channel. I mean, watch,
Speaker 3: I'm a competent swimmer, I'm not a great swimmer, and
Speaker 3: watching her swim against waves in the ocean for like
Speaker 3: twenty plus hours, you're like, huh, this is insane. And
Speaker 3: so yeah, they do a really good job of turning
Speaker 3: into something where you understand the goal, you understand what's
Speaker 3: against her at the finish line, and making it really
Speaker 3: compelling for her to get there. And yeah, I was
Speaker 3: I was like cheering when it was over. It's just
Speaker 3: like a solid, feel good family film and I thought
Speaker 3: it was worth recommend.
Speaker 2: It's on Disney Plus.
Speaker 3: On Disney Plus, people are looking for that. I think
Speaker 3: they'll enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Well, there we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and d z Ridley she's great, Like she has
Speaker 3: this like sparkle or something, and I just I'm surprised
Speaker 3: we don't see her in more things. Like she's very
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, she just exudes something. She's
Speaker 3: very captivating and she's I enjoyed her a lot in
Speaker 3: this and it made me think, like, wow, I'm just
Speaker 3: surprised we don't see more of her.
Speaker 2: Well hope hopefully. Well, first of all, it's smart Disney
Speaker 2: to kind of keep her in the fold.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely right.
Speaker 2: And and you know, I suspect that if this ray
Speaker 2: movie that they're working on performs, that that'll that'll kind
Speaker 2: of uh, you know, broaden broaden her her options, one presumes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, speaking of I mean, I'm rooting for that.
Speaker 3: I really want that movie to be awesome. But I
Speaker 3: think you saw that the acle like got canceled, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did see that, not not terribly surprised, if I'm
Speaker 2: being honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you finished it?
Speaker 2: I did finish it.
Speaker 3: It ended on a cliffhanger, right.
Speaker 2: Well, it ended, yes, and no, I mean it ended. Yes,
Speaker 2: it ended. Let me put this say, it ended at
Speaker 2: a place where they could very well have been like,
Speaker 2: and here's what happens next, But I think they also
Speaker 2: ended at a place where like, that's where this story ends,
Speaker 2: and something else could could pick up certain threads later.
Speaker 3: Well that's good. I was feeling kind of bummed. I
Speaker 3: was seeing obviously mixed reactions online because it's been mixed
Speaker 3: reaction kind of show. But I was feeling bad for
Speaker 3: the people that were invested if there was some story
Speaker 3: hanging there.
Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, I am baffled by the idea that
Speaker 2: you would spend one hundred and eighty million dollars on
Speaker 2: a season of television.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, it's insanity, right, So at that point you say, well,
Speaker 2: you can't make something I was gonna say, that's this polarizing,
Speaker 2: and that's almost unfair to this show because it's really
Speaker 2: I don't think it is particularly polarizing, except that everything
Speaker 2: now involved in Star Wars has become polarizing. Right. But
Speaker 2: I would say, just as a matter of course, I
Speaker 2: just watching the show. I think it's well made, but
Speaker 2: I don't really see that money on screen, So I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know that you needed to do that,
Speaker 2: and I think you're better off doing showing you can
Speaker 2: do it for for less out of pocket, you know,
Speaker 2: But it's weird. I greeted the news with kind of like,
Speaker 2: all right, well, that's fine, Like it doesn't particularly affect
Speaker 2: me because I wasn't I wasn't blown away by the show.
Speaker 2: I thought it was fine, you know, but it has
Speaker 2: been aggravating seeing sort of the victory dance from people.
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, right, or it's.
Speaker 2: Like, you know again, it's just and this is a
Speaker 2: broken record at this point, like why does everything have
Speaker 2: to be a thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, for sure, I yeah, And I mean coming
Speaker 3: at it from where I work and stuff, I look
Speaker 3: at it as jobs, you know, in dreams, you know,
Speaker 3: when that was someone's dream and like I it's even
Speaker 3: if I don't like something, I'm still sad to see
Speaker 3: it come to an end because it doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be for me. But that's someone's dream, Those are people's jobs,
Speaker 3: and that sucks. At the same time, it exists, and
Speaker 3: it's it's another thing on the shelf, the Star Wars shelf,
Speaker 3: and it's always going to be there for people to
Speaker 3: pick up when they they want to.
Speaker 2: I definitely agree with that. And and you know the conversation.
Speaker 2: What what really aggravates me the most is sort of
Speaker 2: this this shorthand of oh, well they went woke and
Speaker 2: that's why they went broke, you know. And and this
Speaker 2: show in particular, I'm I'm just like, well, what's the
Speaker 2: quote unquote woke here? The fact that it has people
Speaker 2: of color in most of the primary roles, Like that's
Speaker 2: so because I'm like, well so what right? Right right?
Speaker 2: I'm like cool, right, Like so you know that there's
Speaker 2: this this narrow casting of like, uh, the mere presence
Speaker 2: of diversity is a call to arms, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean I feel
Speaker 3: like if a story is being contorted, you know, like
Speaker 3: someone's trying to work with like one arm tied behind
Speaker 3: their back for some sort of agenda. And I don't
Speaker 3: even mean like a political or like a cultural or
Speaker 3: any agenda, but just a studio agenda. This is just
Speaker 3: like that's unfortunate when you can feel that. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: when you're complaining just because human beings are cast in
Speaker 3: a show like that's not I don't know what are
Speaker 3: we doing here?
Speaker 2: Well, I saw somebody like in in the show, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the Jedi that we see is a little
Speaker 2: bit heavier set, and it was like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: just like why are they having you know, Jedi are
Speaker 2: allowed to be fat now, and this is just you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah, oh be cause we have to accept all
Speaker 2: kinds of people or whatever. And just like this is
Speaker 2: truly the dumbest timeline we've wandered into, I know, I
Speaker 2: mean you know what I mean, Like I cause I'm
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at it like, well, if if you're
Speaker 2: a depth at the force, I don't think your body
Speaker 2: type matters that you're just good at the force, right,
Speaker 2: and and you know it's not like I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just different. I don't know, I don't know, Brian no.
Speaker 3: I well, you know, you know I'm on the same
Speaker 3: page as you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are we doing this? You know, And
Speaker 2: we talked about this a little while ago, like, you know,
Speaker 2: Kiyati Monday, the show says he was born here, and
Speaker 2: previous Cannon said he was born here. And suddenly the
Speaker 2: you know, it's like the Jedi Arena in an episode two,
Speaker 2: it's all these Kiyati Monday fans coming out of the wood.
Speaker 2: We're like how, And I'm like, you people did not
Speaker 2: exist like a month ago, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I mean it's going to be difficult when
Speaker 3: they're trying to figure out their steps forward, you know,
Speaker 3: like it's been challenging figuring out what to do post
Speaker 3: the films, but also you just know people already have
Speaker 3: their knives out no matter what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Well well to that point, because you and I discussed
Speaker 2: the trailer for the Mandalorian film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't remember if that was on air or not.
Speaker 2: We texted about it, okay, yeah, yeah, But I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, they haven't released an official thing, but there's
Speaker 2: pictures and stuff that have sort of broken right, and
Speaker 2: just in terms of I mean not having seen the trailer,
Speaker 2: but just as a concept, right, We're like, well, what
Speaker 2: is this movie gonna play? Mm hmmm, I think that's
Speaker 2: the big question, right.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean if you were to put out
Speaker 3: a new I know people hate this, but I just
Speaker 3: for whatever, like a new Skywalker film, let's say it,
Speaker 3: like or Star Wars eight or whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it, you can have a certain expectation of what,
Speaker 3: you know, how many people are going to show.
Speaker 2: Up for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this feels to me for the first time kind
Speaker 3: of uncharted territory. Well maybe Rogue one, but right, this
Speaker 3: feels a little different, and it'll will be an interesting
Speaker 3: experiment to see what the audience is like for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that what it has working in its
Speaker 2: favor is the fact that it has been so long
Speaker 2: now since the last movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, right.
Speaker 2: Because because it's due out when is it due to
Speaker 2: actually next summer? I think right next next summer? Okay,
Speaker 2: So so yeah, we'd be looking at what six years
Speaker 2: since the last movie? Wow? Yeah, you know, so maybe
Speaker 2: that'll help, Maybe maybe that will help find an audience. Uh.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, real quick, just wanted to mention, h
Speaker 2: I have begun my umpteenth rewatch of the West Wing.
Speaker 3: Oh really okay?
Speaker 2: Uh, And I was I was moved to do this
Speaker 2: because of this new book that I've been well, I've
Speaker 2: been listening to it but via audiobook, but it's a
Speaker 2: book book also, uh. And it's called What's Next. And
Speaker 2: it's by Melissa Fitzgerald and Mary McCormick, who were both
Speaker 2: actors on The West Wing. And this is basically the
Speaker 2: definitive oral history of the series.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: And for any fan of the show, which I suspect
Speaker 2: some of the people listening are are fans, it's just
Speaker 2: it's it's it is just a love letter to the show,
Speaker 2: and it really you know, some of the stories are known,
Speaker 2: some are less known, but just to really to get
Speaker 2: into the perspectives of the people involved. Again that you
Speaker 2: already know this, but but The West Wing is my
Speaker 2: favorite TV show of all time, and so every it
Speaker 2: ends up being like every presidential election year, I end
Speaker 2: up rewatching it, yep. And I love it every single time.
Speaker 2: And I love it for so many different reasons, but
Speaker 2: foremost among them being the way it presents public service
Speaker 2: as a as an inherent good. This is something worth doing, right.
Speaker 2: So we have so many cynical shows about politics, about
Speaker 2: our politics, whether the the doufest angle like Veep or
Speaker 2: the sinister angle like House of Cards, whatever, And here's
Speaker 2: the show that says, no, this is something that's possible.
Speaker 2: You can have decent people going into politics to genuinely
Speaker 2: help people. M h. And maybe that is sci.
Speaker 3: Fi, sure, or aspirational.
Speaker 2: Aspirational, absolutely, you know, but that's why I keep going
Speaker 2: back to that show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I've I've got to get to it. That
Speaker 3: And Sean was telling me about Friday Night Lights again.
Speaker 2: He's like, you're oh sure, sure, yeah, absolutely, and kind
Speaker 2: of similar vein, you know, sure pointing to our best selves,
Speaker 2: you know, like, I know, I know for sure, Well,
Speaker 2: Friday Night Lights, I know for sure you're gonna you're
Speaker 2: gonna adore that show. Sure, but I believe you'd. Hey,
Speaker 2: Frederica likes west Wing, Yeah, I know, I know. Between
Speaker 2: the two of us, I figured we can we can
Speaker 2: nudge you, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But but the audiobook is terrific, and I suspect that
Speaker 2: that the book book is is just as good. And
Speaker 2: I just wanted to throw out a recommendation for that
Speaker 2: nice that that other book I was telling you about
Speaker 2: last time. The future was now. Yes, that ended up
Speaker 2: being like my Chicago trip, listening for the whole and
Speaker 2: it was me and my son. We ended up listening
Speaker 2: to the whole book. Man, dude, you will, you will
Speaker 2: for sure love it.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'll check it out.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy to think about how Summer of
Speaker 2: eighty two, just these these incredibly influential films were all
Speaker 2: crammed into this eight week period, just one on top
Speaker 2: of the other. Yeah, right, I mean, obviously E. T
Speaker 2: was at the top of the heat, but like Blade
Speaker 2: Runner and The Thing and Conan the Barbarians Star Trek
Speaker 2: two and Da Da Da d dau Tron you know,
Speaker 2: and every what. This is the point that the book makes.
Speaker 2: Every single one of those films except one, has been
Speaker 2: sequelized or remade or continued in some form in the
Speaker 2: forty two years since, right, right right, And obviously the
Speaker 2: only one that has not is well you tell me,
Speaker 2: Brian E T. E T.
Speaker 3: Because oh Spielberg is making another UFO movie. So fingers
Speaker 3: crossed fingers.
Speaker 2: But absolutely worth worth the worth the reader, worth the listen.
Speaker 2: However you consume your books, I know you'll, you'll, absolutely
Speaker 2: you'll just devour it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll definitely check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hey, let's take short break and we'll come
Speaker 2: back with some listener letters. And we're back, and hey,
Speaker 2: we got some notes in the old mail bag.
Speaker 3: Brian, great, I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's one we got from Adamo, who says, Hi, guys,
Speaker 2: it was so much fun to listen to the commentary
Speaker 2: on Twister, and then your review of Twisters, and hearing
Speaker 2: Sean gush about how much he loves the original movie.
Speaker 2: My son also a Sean and I took a long
Speaker 2: weekend road trip last summer to Wakita to the Twister
Speaker 2: Movie Museum, and even made a side quest a bit
Speaker 2: further east to Call Lake, where the Cow's scene was filmed.
Speaker 2: We're planning a trip back in twenty six for the
Speaker 2: thirtieth anniversary. They're already making plans for a big event
Speaker 2: in the museum. They have a graphic of the VP
Speaker 2: that Stormchasers did across the region in memorial to Bill Paxton.
Speaker 2: It was awesome to hear Sean mention it. I admit
Speaker 2: I got a lump in my throat with Twisters. I
Speaker 2: had such a great time. Glad you guys did too,
Speaker 2: Even though I hate Clen Powell. Geez dude, geez dude,
Speaker 2: save some good looks for the rest of us. I
Speaker 2: kind of agree with that. Actually. As for the other
Speaker 2: little art film that you covered recently, I can't believe
Speaker 2: you forgot to mention the real star of Deadpool and Wolverine,
Speaker 2: Peggy aka dog Pool stole the show and man Ryan
Speaker 2: Reynolds let her go all in with that tongue action.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hearing Zachie break down all the Wolverine variants that I
Speaker 2: knew when I saw the movie was so much fun.
Speaker 2: Only a true eighties nineties era comic geek would really
Speaker 2: appreciate all of those. That's right, So you can see
Speaker 2: yourself out. Brian having Wesley Snipes come back as spoiler
Speaker 2: alert Blade, He's now the longest tenured Marvel character in movies.
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about that. As soon as he
Speaker 2: showed up. I was like, boom, got himself a Guinness record.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, he says.
Speaker 2: I saw the first the day before I went to
Speaker 2: basic training, which means I'm, uh, well, we don't need
Speaker 2: to talk about that. Best wishes is always adam. Uh Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. I watched the first Blade opening night in
Speaker 2: the theater. I always picture those as two thousands movies.
Speaker 2: That was ninety eight first, and I can I can
Speaker 2: attest to the fact that nobody was taking that movie
Speaker 2: seriously from the trailers.
Speaker 3: I kind of remember that, like it wasn't something I
Speaker 3: felt like I had to go see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, And and in fact, even even
Speaker 2: the Marvel people were trying to distance themselves from it.
Speaker 3: Were you familiar with the comic or the character. I
Speaker 3: guess I was familiar.
Speaker 2: With the character. Yeah, I mean in an abstract sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, the movie largely reinvented him because he was
Speaker 2: such a blank slate MM like he was introduced. There
Speaker 2: was a comic book in the in the in the
Speaker 2: seventies called Tomb of Dracula, and it's about Dracula in
Speaker 2: the Marvel universe. And it's a terrific comic series. It's
Speaker 2: about this group of vampire hunters in the modern day
Speaker 2: who are trying to defeat Dracula, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's just it's like a drama series set within the
Speaker 2: Marvel universe. In fact, if you go into the Nostalgia
Speaker 2: Theater podcast archives, I interviewed Glenn Greenberg about Dracula in general,
Speaker 2: but we specifically got into that comic book because he
Speaker 2: was such a big fan of that book that he
Speaker 2: in the late nineties he got to write a Dracula
Speaker 2: mini series from Marvel that was kind of a sequel
Speaker 2: to that book.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: But regardless, Blade was introduced in that book as part
Speaker 2: of that ensemble. Okay, and we're talking mid seventies, so
Speaker 2: it's like Shaft as a vampire.
Speaker 3: Hunter, right right, right, sure, sure, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. He's a big afro. He had
Speaker 2: the leather jacket and steaks, you know, and so very
Speaker 2: bare framework there that they then took an entirely different
Speaker 2: direction in the film, and that's what became the definitive version.
Speaker 2: So the whole idea that he's a half man, half
Speaker 2: vampire all that the movie did. That Oh interesting, that
Speaker 2: wasn't the comic. The comics like ret conned that in
Speaker 2: after the movie, but the movie was. And that's what
Speaker 2: sort of if if we have, if you were to
Speaker 2: list like certain characteristics of Blade, that would be like
Speaker 2: one of the main things you say, right, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Got to check those out. Sometimes I still haven't seen them, so.
Speaker 2: Oh you've seen none of them. No, oh yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: well I suspect. I mean, come on, assuming the MCU
Speaker 2: Blade ever gets released, I feel like we'll probably comment
Speaker 2: arry our way through the first time.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's something I would enjoy right now,
Speaker 3: I think, so I agree. I have to mention by
Speaker 3: the way too. He referenced the Wikita Twister Museum.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, obviously Sean, being the Twister head
Speaker 3: that he is, I was like, we passed through Oklahoma
Speaker 3: and I was like, are we are we gonna check
Speaker 3: it out? And He's like, oh, already looked into it.
Speaker 3: It's like three hours off course. I was like, ah,
Speaker 3: I was really hoping we'd get to I'm scious, what's there?
Speaker 3: You know, I was hoping to glimpse it, But yeah,
Speaker 3: not writing it off sometime in the future.
Speaker 2: One of these days. Here's another note we got from
Speaker 2: Stephen Club, and this is in reference to our commentary
Speaker 2: track for Terminator Salvation. M I don't hear what this
Speaker 2: he says this is, and I fully agree with this sentiment.
Speaker 2: He says, sometimes backstory should remain backstory. He says, pretty
Speaker 2: much the entire movie. I wondered how the Terminators couldn't
Speaker 2: crush humanity like a bug. They were so overpowered in
Speaker 2: Salvation specifically, that humanity didn't stand a chance, no matter
Speaker 2: how good John Connor was at making pipe bombs. It's
Speaker 2: one thing to say humanity one. It's quite another to
Speaker 2: show them being outnumbered, outmatched, and outclassed.
Speaker 3: It's a great point, it right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean this kind of gets to what I've said in
Speaker 2: our track, where it's like the little snippets we got
Speaker 2: of the future war were more interesting than setting a movie,
Speaker 2: an entire movie within it.
Speaker 3: Mm hm, you know, yeah, I mean, it's just fascinating,
Speaker 3: mysterious backstory in the first film, this is the world
Speaker 3: that person comes from. That's why it matters. But now
Speaker 3: we are in nineteen eighty four and the mission must
Speaker 3: be completed. But yeah, when you really dig into it,
Speaker 3: you open up a whole can of worms of questions.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this there can't be a version
Speaker 3: that is good in the future, but if you don't
Speaker 3: do it well enough, then yes, you start to have
Speaker 3: those questions crop up.
Speaker 2: Well, it gets to just the inherent problem with prequel
Speaker 2: all the time, which is again, as you said, not
Speaker 2: to say you can't have a good prequel. But fundamentally,
Speaker 2: the question you have to lick is, well, if this
Speaker 2: was important enough to tell, it would have already been
Speaker 2: told the first time, Like everything everything you need should
Speaker 2: already be in the first movie. And by the way,
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny. I was having this conversation in
Speaker 2: a broad sense with my students, and I was like, like,
Speaker 2: what are what are I was like, I'm making a case.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think most prequels are necessary,
Speaker 2: and handshot up, well, what about the Star Wars prequels?
Speaker 2: And I said, well, I know y'all grew up with them.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go out on a lim and say
Speaker 2: they weren't necessary, right, right, right, and and the slack
Speaker 2: jawed you know responses I got, But I still feel that, right,
Speaker 2: I don't at this point their grandfathered in. I don't
Speaker 2: mind them. But fundamentally, I lived twenty two years. No, well,
Speaker 2: I personally did not. I lived twenty yours without any
Speaker 2: Star Wars prequels, but the world lived for twenty two
Speaker 2: years about Star Wars prequels yep. And and we did
Speaker 2: just fine. Right.
Speaker 3: I love that though. That's so interesting from people that
Speaker 3: they only know a world that exists with them. They're
Speaker 3: part of the story for them.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, how can you know Anakin turned bad
Speaker 2: if you don't see him turn bad? And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: we used to our imagination son, this magical thing.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: Here's another comment we got from Jeffrey Meisner, also in
Speaker 2: reference to our term in your Salvation commentary, he says,
Speaker 2: I think this was the funniest commentary track yet. I
Speaker 2: can't wait for Genesis and Dark Fate, which isn't something
Speaker 2: I thought i'd say.
Speaker 3: Again, that's funny, now, thank you.
Speaker 2: I had such a blast talking through that movie with you.
Speaker 3: Me too, Me too. It was fun, I'd said weeks ago.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to go back because I watched every
Speaker 3: Terminator sequel once dismissed it and moved on with my life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I kind of wanted to give them another shake
Speaker 3: when I wasn't judging them so harshly, you know, Opening Night,
Speaker 3: And it was really fun looking at the pluses and
Speaker 3: minuses and talking through them with you.
Speaker 2: So have you Have you watched Genesis and Dark Fate again?
Speaker 3: No, but I really do intend to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well hey, just just wait, wait a little
Speaker 2: while and you know we'll get to it for our
Speaker 2: commentary track.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this has become kind of like
Speaker 2: a late summer thing.
Speaker 3: Now, our Terminator commentaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like for the next couple summers at least. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just I remember little bits of them. That's the
Speaker 3: That's why I'm excited to go back. I'm excited to
Speaker 3: remember what the stories actually are and like the leaps
Speaker 3: they take, and I just remember. I feel like I
Speaker 3: can picture what's her name from Game of Thrones, Amelia Clark, Yeah,
Speaker 3: calling the terminator Pops or something. H that's a memory
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't really remember the movie.
Speaker 2: Uh well I will get there eventually.
Speaker 3: Ye who you interviewed? By the way, remember that I did.
Speaker 2: I think I think we put her interview on the show.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, fairly certain it seriously I've done.
Speaker 2: I've done plenty of long form interviews. I've done plenty
Speaker 2: of junkets. That interview with the Millia Clark probably, if
Speaker 2: not my favorite, in like my top three.
Speaker 3: Wow, she was so.
Speaker 2: Sweet and and I I just started out by saying, well,
Speaker 2: we had a conversation about the movie. It was it
Speaker 2: was me before you and and she was like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, very gregarious about that film. And then I
Speaker 2: ended with, hey, I have a Game of Thrones question,
Speaker 2: and she's like okay, And I was like, I should
Speaker 2: preface this by saying I've never seen the show, and
Speaker 2: she was just did by that. You know, that's great,
Speaker 2: very very sweet. So I'll always have an affinity for her,
Speaker 2: even though I've still yet to see yet to see
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, i'd I'd be curious. I'd be curious how
Speaker 3: holds up.
Speaker 2: It's funny, you know when when we were in Chicago,
Speaker 2: you know, my my my son, his name is Mikyle,
Speaker 2: and he was he was telling his he was telling
Speaker 2: my cousin. He's like, oh, you know, if I'm around
Speaker 2: like like regular folks aka white people, uh, I just
Speaker 2: say call me Michael, right. And I was like, well, dude,
Speaker 2: come on, man, you got a unique names, go for it.
Speaker 2: And my my cousin I love that. He's like, hey, listen, man,
Speaker 2: if white people can say Denaris Targarian, they can say Mica.
Speaker 3: Bravo.
Speaker 2: It's like I ca'ah pretty much, you know, yeah, but hey,
Speaker 2: let's it's take another short break we got some headlines.
Speaker 2: All right, well we're we are back, and here's some
Speaker 2: good news for the I'm going to say the eight
Speaker 2: or ten people who are interested. But Horizon and American
Speaker 2: Saga Chapter one is now streaming on Max.
Speaker 3: There you go. This is it for everybody who was like, wow,
Speaker 3: wait you know, oh it should have been a series whatever, Well,
Speaker 3: there it is. I'm actually very curious to read a
Speaker 3: little more discourse about this movie.
Speaker 2: Now I've taken this on. This is like my charity
Speaker 2: right now is to help multi millionaire Kevin Costner have
Speaker 2: his little passion project.
Speaker 3: Succeed, right right.
Speaker 2: I'm still no date, by the way.
Speaker 3: For part two, but it is going to debut at
Speaker 3: a Fear festival, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but out of competition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean it exists. It's mixed, it's you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, it's printed or downloaded onto some
Speaker 3: sort of DCP or something. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It exists. So I would love to see it. I
Speaker 3: really would. I mean, I you know, we were sort
Speaker 3: of we're both positive. You were more positive. I was
Speaker 3: like positive, and I'm ready for the next thing, so
Speaker 3: I can feel like I have a more complete sense
Speaker 3: of what the story is. Yeah, so I'm ready. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I hope people discover it here and then I hope
Speaker 3: the second one there's a demand for it, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean just just selfishly at this point, I want
Speaker 2: to be able to justify the three hours that I've
Speaker 2: put in thus far.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: That's really because because three hours. See this is not
Speaker 2: like the Acolyte, right, because the Acolyte ended and I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, well that's the end, and that's why this
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, this is we're in the
Speaker 2: middle of the beginning.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, definitely, you know, I need.
Speaker 2: I need something. I need I need some closure of something.
Speaker 3: Arcs have begun, but there have not been any wrap
Speaker 3: ups or conclusions to anything.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, where it goes, So just just give us,
Speaker 2: just give us that. Come on, come on. It's like
Speaker 2: we're like that the s n L. You know where
Speaker 2: we're with Chris Farley is he's a good boy. Just
Speaker 2: let him finish his movie, Kevin Coss' movie. Let me
Speaker 2: finish come see part two and three. Let him finish it. Hey.
Speaker 2: Speaking of passion projects that are that are shrouded in controversy,
Speaker 2: here's something interesting. So Megalopolis, which I have trouble saying
Speaker 2: that title. It sounds like a made up name. Yes,
Speaker 2: but it is in fact Francis Coppola's next project, possibly
Speaker 2: his like filmmaking Swan Song.
Speaker 3: Possibly. I mean this has been a long time coming too.
Speaker 3: I mean this is yeah, like you said, Passion project,
Speaker 3: there's been years in the making his Vineyards, Yeah, to
Speaker 3: make this thing. That's how much he wanted.
Speaker 2: He's paid out of pocket to make this sci fi
Speaker 2: epic starring Adam Driver. So so this one is due
Speaker 2: out when Brian like in September, I think, okay, so
Speaker 2: it's it's coming up. So lions Gate, which is distributing it,
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a snaff foo earlier this
Speaker 2: week because they put out an ad now the Now
Speaker 2: The The The thinking behind the ad was, Hey, we're
Speaker 2: gonna I'm guessing they're looking at this movie and they're like, God,
Speaker 2: this thing is kind of kind of I'm guessing I've
Speaker 2: not any seen it. They're like, this is gonna be
Speaker 2: hard to market. That's the because it's esoteric and whatever.
Speaker 2: Just based on the trailer and and the reactions out
Speaker 2: of can or wherever it played. Ye so so they
Speaker 2: put out a trailer where they have quotes from famous
Speaker 2: critics who were dismissive of Coppola's previous masterpieces. And so
Speaker 2: you have, you know, Roger Ebert saying Bram Stoker's Dracula
Speaker 2: is no good, and you have Pauline Kle saying The
Speaker 2: Godfather's no good or whatever it was. And so that
Speaker 2: that gets put out there, and that's it, and then
Speaker 2: it turns out and this is done with a little
Speaker 2: bit of digging. I think I think Bill J. Eberley,
Speaker 2: who was the first person who noticed this, I realized
Speaker 2: that the quotes were fabricated.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He I think it was as easy as he
Speaker 3: took those quotes, put them into Google and they did
Speaker 3: not turn up. He checked out the reviews by Pauline
Speaker 3: Kle for The Godfather and those quotes were not included.
Speaker 2: And apparently it gets more interesting, those quotes were in
Speaker 2: fact AI generated.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't even know that part.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is as of just earlier today in Variety
Speaker 2: it says your Lionsgate has parted ways with Eddie Egan,
Speaker 2: the marketing consultant who came up with the Megalopolis trailer
Speaker 2: that included fake quotes from famous film critics. Studio pulled
Speaker 2: the trailer on Wednesday after it was pointed out that
Speaker 2: the quotes trashing Francis Ford coplas previous work did not
Speaker 2: actually appear in the critics reviews and were in fact
Speaker 2: made up. Let's see where's the bit here, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a For instance, the trailer claimed that Pauline Cale wrote
Speaker 2: in The New Yorker that The Godfather was quote diminished
Speaker 2: by its artsiness. Kale in fact loved the movie. Listen.
Speaker 2: When Variety prompted AI service chat GPT to provide negative
Speaker 2: criticism about copelists work from well known reviewers, the responses
Speaker 2: provided were strikingly similar to the quotes included in the trailer. Wow,
Speaker 2: so chat GPT is something I'm having to do with
Speaker 2: as a college professor.
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine. I really can't. I mean, people
Speaker 3: turning in papers to you, like, how in the world
Speaker 3: do you know?
Speaker 2: I at this point it's I mean, I'm swimming against
Speaker 2: the tide. It's so so so hard, you know. So
Speaker 2: I what I this is just I Mean, what I've
Speaker 2: tried to do as an instructor is try to minimize
Speaker 2: the amount of subjective work and instead lean more heavily
Speaker 2: on objective assessment quizzes and things like that.
Speaker 3: Where are we headed with Hechy?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's like you know, I mean, I
Speaker 2: still have like essays and stuff, but what I've tried
Speaker 2: to do is narrow cast my own prompt to sort
Speaker 2: of to put the focus on give me your thoughts,
Speaker 2: give me your like, what's your interpretation of this? And
Speaker 2: just you know, there's no right or wrong necessarily, but
Speaker 2: I just want to see that you've given it some thought,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's something that chat GPT can'tssssarily do
Speaker 2: for you. But it's hard, you know. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: don't know what the film is about, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: it would be the irony of ironies if that, If
Speaker 2: it too is something about the encroachment of AI.
Speaker 3: Action, that would be But I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 3: funny because I was, like I said, on the road,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't able to keep up with news the
Speaker 3: same way. But I saw this story unfold as headlines
Speaker 3: where it was like new Megalapolis trailer, you know, Megalapolis
Speaker 3: trailer bold, and it's using negative quotes to bolster itself,
Speaker 3: and it's like Megalapolis trailer under scrutiny. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: Lionsgate apologizes, Like just watching the story through headlines throughout
Speaker 3: the day, it was kind of funn yeah, but I mean,
Speaker 3: how hard would it have been to find a negative
Speaker 3: quote about any of those movies? Just one quote? Like
Speaker 3: and why attribute it to some of the most famous
Speaker 3: film critics of all.
Speaker 2: Time who are gone right? Yeah, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: that was the weird thing because I watched the trailer
Speaker 2: and I didn't. I'd love to say I was like, well,
Speaker 2: those aren't real quotes. I didn't, but I was definitely
Speaker 2: it pricked me a little bit because I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't think Pauline Kill hated The Godfather. I feel
Speaker 2: like I would remember that. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're probably pulling like one phrase out of context to
Speaker 2: make it sound like she hated it. That was my assumption, right,
Speaker 2: I didn't think they were chat gpting that bitch the trick,
Speaker 2: yeah bitch, I mean the trailer.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and we should say also that the trailer
Speaker 3: was narrated by Laurence Fishburne, which is he in the movie.
Speaker 3: I don't knew, but I mean he goes all the
Speaker 3: way back to Apocalypse now right with Coppola.
Speaker 2: That's right. I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I mean, I mean just hearing his voice. Man,
Speaker 3: he's an actor. But there was just this air of
Speaker 3: authenticity or you know what I mean, like I gave
Speaker 3: it this sort of feeling of I don't know, I
Speaker 3: definitely get the vibe they were going for. It could
Speaker 3: have almost worked. It just was too bad they had
Speaker 3: to not only lie, but like they got caught so quickly,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It wasn't even a very
Speaker 3: it was really checked. Lie.
Speaker 2: That's embarrassing. Yeah, I mean it's it's literally and me.
Speaker 2: We're talking about chat GPT. I mean, because I've gotten
Speaker 2: essays that were clearly AI generated, and you know, I
Speaker 2: checked the sources and I'm like, this source doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: Mmmm, oh it makes up sources.
Speaker 2: Oh sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've never I'm gonna be honest, I've never really used it.
Speaker 3: I think I went on there once like as an experiment,
Speaker 3: Like you you did this really funny thing where you
Speaker 3: were like, give me the plot to the Fugitive too,
Speaker 3: that's right, you know, and you were sending me all
Speaker 3: these things, and so I went in there and it
Speaker 3: was just like, what would happen if, like, you know,
Speaker 3: Gumby married you know, MS Piggy or something like. I
Speaker 3: don't know, like I don't even know where that came
Speaker 3: from right now, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're learning all kinds of things.
Speaker 3: I actually have a Gumby on my desk, so I
Speaker 3: was like Gumby, but I've never tried it for anything serious.
Speaker 3: So when you're reading a chat GPT generated essay, I mean,
Speaker 3: is it immediately obvious, like is there turns of phrases
Speaker 3: or does it sound kind of sterile and robotic?
Speaker 2: There? There are certain there are certain red flags, but
Speaker 2: here's the reality. I mean, I mean it just the
Speaker 2: ground is shifting under our feet, right, So you have
Speaker 2: things like grammarly and whatever that everybody uses now to
Speaker 2: check their writing, right sure, And so I mean it's
Speaker 2: it's harder and harder because because you can't just pull
Speaker 2: somebody aside and be like, hey, I know you had
Speaker 2: AI do this, because because you just don't know. You
Speaker 2: don't you know if you're gonna if you're gonna come
Speaker 2: out with the accusation like that, you better be completely
Speaker 2: buttoned down, and you just can't be yeah, you know, so,
Speaker 2: I mean this is like we're just going off on
Speaker 2: this tangent. But you know, I think as an instructor,
Speaker 2: what I'm struggling with is finding a way to incorporate
Speaker 2: AI and say, you know, maybe find a way to say, hey,
Speaker 2: use it, but use it the right way.
Speaker 3: I think that feels that makes sense to me, Like
Speaker 3: it's hard. I mean, we're not getting rid of it.
Speaker 3: So if you can find out a way to continue
Speaker 3: to help them to expand themselves, yeah, while using it,
Speaker 3: that seems forward thinking to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think and I mean I'm lucky because
Speaker 2: it's not like I'm teaching English Lit or something where
Speaker 2: people are write really advanced type stuff. I can be like, hey,
Speaker 2: what'd you think of this movie? And I'm like this,
Speaker 2: and I can just be like hey, and I want
Speaker 2: to hear from you. I don't really care what tu
Speaker 2: GPT has to say, you know.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Fundamentally this is I mean, it's orders a magnitude of difference,
Speaker 2: but it's a similar place to like Wikipedia, where when
Speaker 2: it first started, you know, it's like, oh, don't use Wikipedia, right,
Speaker 2: and I've said it for a while, I'm like, look,
Speaker 2: I could say don't use Wikipedia. I know you're going
Speaker 2: to use it anyway, but there's a way to use it, right,
Speaker 2: and there's a there are best practices, and so I
Speaker 2: think with chatch GPD is just a matter of figuring out, well,
Speaker 2: what are the best practices here? You know, right right?
Speaker 3: Interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as it pertains to the Megalopolis trailer is
Speaker 2: kind of funny because because Lionsgate said that they pulled it,
Speaker 2: but I guess it made it to a few prints
Speaker 2: of the crow, which okay, and so I know I
Speaker 2: saw pictures of people who went to see the crow
Speaker 2: last night. They had pictures of the of the Megalopolis
Speaker 2: trailer with the with the faulty quote quote quote attributions.
Speaker 3: Funny. I mean, yeah, I was worried I was going
Speaker 3: to miss it for that reason, like I wanted to
Speaker 3: see it, but it was very easy to find. So yes,
Speaker 3: still out there.
Speaker 2: Uh well actually, well while we're talking about the crow,
Speaker 2: I mean, neither of us has seen it, but holy crap,
Speaker 2: like right, it feels like people just kind of lined
Speaker 2: up to take a whack at this thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I yeah. I frequent Reddit user and one
Speaker 3: of the reddits I've subscribed to is like movie, you know,
Speaker 3: spoiler review or like non spoiler review sort of thing,
Speaker 3: And so every week when something comes out, I'm curious
Speaker 3: to look at the non spoiler thing, and man, yeah,
Speaker 3: everybody was well taking a whack at it. This one is,
Speaker 3: you know, the thing that I had read. I can't
Speaker 3: back this up. I haven't seen it. But apparently he
Speaker 3: doesn't really even become like the Crow or act out
Speaker 3: as the Crow until like the third act.
Speaker 2: Of the film. Seems like a problem.
Speaker 3: What what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: You know? See? What strikes me is that this is
Speaker 2: a film that, certainly, for the entire life of our podcast,
Speaker 2: has been in some stage of development.
Speaker 3: Yeah long time, A long time.
Speaker 2: I mean since the mid two thousands, and at one
Speaker 2: point Bradley Cooper was attached. Yeah, Jason Momoa, I'm sure
Speaker 2: other people I'm forgetting. I mean, they've been trying to
Speaker 2: get this thing going for a while. I've been absolutely
Speaker 2: consistent in saying, why on earth do you need to
Speaker 2: remake this movie? If nothing, if for no other reason,
Speaker 2: then the the tragedy behind that original film is something
Speaker 2: that should let it stand apart forever. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: by the way, there is the braindon Lee film.
Speaker 3: Wait say that again?
Speaker 2: It still holds up?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean yeah, they got
Speaker 3: it right the first time. Everything about it, I mean,
Speaker 3: the soundtrack is iconic, the look of it is iconic,
Speaker 3: you know, the makeup and everything. I mean, And to
Speaker 3: be fair, they've made sequels. They had a.
Speaker 2: TV series that pretty bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I can understand it, Like it's an iconic visual,
Speaker 3: that character. So in the age of nothing but ips
Speaker 3: being made, it makes sense to want to try to
Speaker 3: do something with the Crow. But you know, I think
Speaker 3: we were saying before we even got on air, it's like,
Speaker 3: if you don't have it, don't waste it, you know,
Speaker 3: Like why they've been trying for so long and it hasn't
Speaker 3: been working, Like why did they all of a sudden
Speaker 3: go yet? Did they just say good enough?
Speaker 2: I mean really? Right? You know, Rupert Sanders directed this
Speaker 2: who he's he did Snowed in The Huntsman, right yeah.
Speaker 2: And and Bill Scarsgard, who I hear is like okay
Speaker 2: in it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, he's one of those guys I think everybody
Speaker 3: kind of likes, but he just kind of can't get
Speaker 3: a break with his films, right right. He was in
Speaker 3: the what was that really violent movie?
Speaker 2: Was it John Wick four? I don't know. That's the
Speaker 2: only one I haven't seen.
Speaker 3: Oh funny, it's I'm not making a great case for it.
Speaker 3: But I remember seeing him in a movie where he
Speaker 3: played this I think it was John Wick for. But
Speaker 3: I remember thinking on like, oh, I like this guy.
Speaker 3: He's pretty good. He's a good presence, Like he's unique.
Speaker 3: It is John Wick for by the way, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I remember him in horse Stables and you know, hurting people.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean it kind of bums me out.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for him, you know, like you take
Speaker 3: a role, you give it a shot. But if it's
Speaker 3: not there, it's not there.
Speaker 2: I mean to the point you were making earlier. They
Speaker 2: they did three sequels to the the original one, okay,
Speaker 2: and I would say only one is like a direct
Speaker 2: sequel in that it carries forward certain characters. But the
Speaker 2: thing is, did did the Eric Draven story really need
Speaker 2: to be done again?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know, it feels like the natural way to
Speaker 3: go is tell a different story and the crow brings
Speaker 3: someone else back for a different reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or just do something in the vein of the crow.
Speaker 2: But I have would be a brand new thing.
Speaker 3: M No, that doesn't make any sense to crazy talk.
Speaker 2: It's fine. I used to watch the television show, oh really,
Speaker 2: which was yeah, I mean it was like a syndicated
Speaker 2: know w C I U, you know, Saturday afternoons, you know,
Speaker 2: shot in Vancouver type thing, you know, and it was
Speaker 2: it was it was Eric.
Speaker 3: Draven m righting wrongs basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So instead of, you know, the film ends with him,
Speaker 2: he goes back to He's reunited with Shelley and that's it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But the show was called The crow Stairway to Heaven,
Speaker 2: and the idea is that like he has to eventually,
Speaker 2: eventually he'll be reunited with her, but he has to
Speaker 2: like do good deeds and stuff. Okay, okay, which like
Speaker 2: all right, you know, you know what I didn't like
Speaker 2: about that. It starred Mark de costcos As as Eric,
Speaker 2: and he you know, he's from he's been a bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff, like he was in on Hawaii oz and stuff.
Speaker 2: But he he was he was in the Double Dragon movie,
Speaker 2: you remember that. Yeah, he was the not Scott Wolf.
Speaker 3: That Scott Wolf's the only person I remember from that.
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, but but it was like he's like
Speaker 2: he has like a normal he looks normal, and then
Speaker 2: like when he when he's like goes into action, he
Speaker 2: like crows out. Oh and he gets like crow face.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, that was like their solution as opposed to having
Speaker 2: him just wander around with the makeup on it.
Speaker 3: All the time. Yeah, so he could walk into a
Speaker 3: bar somewhere and look unassuming, but then he gets activated.
Speaker 2: He's like crow power is activated. He would say that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that was a weird one. I can't speak to
Speaker 2: whether it's I can't imagine it holds up very well,
Speaker 2: but but I remember watching it when it aired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this movie, I mean, I gotta be honest,
Speaker 3: I don't think I would leave the house for it,
Speaker 3: but there's a curiosity factor that I would. If it
Speaker 3: was on HBO one evening, I could see stopping on it.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. That's that's Brian's final word on
Speaker 2: The Crow.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I.
Speaker 2: Do think it is remarkable that, I mean, there was
Speaker 2: no chatter about this movie at all leading up into
Speaker 2: literally its release.
Speaker 3: No, well, the trailer came out a couple months ago.
Speaker 3: Everyone tugged on their collars going oh and then yeah,
Speaker 3: to your point, you texted me and said, can you
Speaker 3: believe no one's talking about The Crow? And I think
Speaker 3: I said that's coming out this week. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 3: didn't even know that, and I follow this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I should say, I mean I mentioned it in
Speaker 2: my class just as oh, by the way, and most
Speaker 2: of them are like, what's we don't even know what
Speaker 2: the crow is?
Speaker 3: I was just wondering, Yeah, I wonder if that's like
Speaker 3: a I'm trying to think of an equivalent. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's what that was ninety four, So it's like thirty
Speaker 3: years ago, you know, Yeah, ninety four, like it.
Speaker 2: Had cultural relevance above and beyond the the you know,
Speaker 2: the music and everything, obviously because of Brandon Lee and
Speaker 2: what happened to him. And I mean that again, I
Speaker 2: think the movie holds up pretty well, but it Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna have a different resid ence for
Speaker 2: our generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'd be curious actually to show it to someone
Speaker 3: younger and see what they think of it.
Speaker 2: See what they think of it. Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 2: great soundtrack? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Hey, let's take another
Speaker 2: short break and we will talk about the movie still
Speaker 2: sitting atop the box office this weekend and we're back,
Speaker 2: and hey, Brian, you know who else is back that
Speaker 2: sick it's been a while. It's those wacky face hugging
Speaker 2: Zeno morphs from the Alien franchise. Yay, just when you
Speaker 2: thought it was safe to go back into space. Yeah
Speaker 2: something Alien Romulus is in theaters now. It was number
Speaker 2: one last weekend, and as it heads into its second weekend,
Speaker 2: looks like it's going to be number one again as
Speaker 2: we record this. So if I'm wrong, boy, will I
Speaker 2: have egg on my face?
Speaker 3: Apparently for the people who've seen The First Crow, it
Speaker 3: can rain all the time.
Speaker 2: You know that film. By the way, Alex Proyus, who
Speaker 2: directed that film, Yeah, really like he had the potential
Speaker 2: to be like a true like a Ridley Scott level visionary.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean between The Crow and Dark City,
Speaker 2: Dark City, if you just can't call it a career
Speaker 2: after those two, man, you got it made in the shade?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: I know he made Knowing, Yes, and he did I Robot,
Speaker 3: I Robot. I forgot about that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he did Gods of Egypt and that
Speaker 2: that's around.
Speaker 3: Are those his projects or was he someone who took
Speaker 3: you know, a script in was the visionary who brought
Speaker 3: it to.
Speaker 2: Life that I do not know, although I suspect, at
Speaker 2: least in so far as I Robot, he was probably
Speaker 2: something close to a hired gun.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting because what I remember about I Robot
Speaker 3: is that it felt like a very polished studio yes
Speaker 3: s II fi adventure film, and I just didn't feel
Speaker 3: a lot for it, which is weird coming from a
Speaker 3: guy who made Dark City and The Crow That's right, right,
Speaker 3: which are just dripping with like artistry and creativity and
Speaker 3: a vision.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I thought I Robot was. It
Speaker 2: was fine. It was like Eye Candy. I don't remember
Speaker 2: anything about.
Speaker 3: It same, you know.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, speaking of Eye Candy, I should say
Speaker 2: Alien Romulus. This is the ninth Alien film, by the way,
Speaker 2: you believe. Wow, that's a lot that includes two alien
Speaker 2: versus Predator movies. I'm I'm They're part of the count
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: Still, I saw someone say that this is a forty
Speaker 3: five year old franchise the other day, and I was like.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is bananas. That's something that really is. And
Speaker 2: I think that says a lot about sort of the
Speaker 2: the the Eternal appeal of this particular mister. So this
Speaker 2: was originally intended to be a straight to Hulu movie
Speaker 2: I'll pray a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: That's insane. Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think I think Disney saw the good
Speaker 2: reaction Pray got and they were like, that should have
Speaker 2: been released in theaters. Agreed, and so with this they
Speaker 2: rejiggered it a little bit. It was made for around
Speaker 2: eighty million dollars, which is like in today's economy, that's
Speaker 2: like Blair Witch Project money.
Speaker 3: Dude, you would never know it.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, you know, so I should say
Speaker 2: I I, as I mentioned earlier in the show, I
Speaker 2: went and saw it with with Adam Lance Hendrickson, a
Speaker 2: fan of our show, who said, hey, let's let's meet
Speaker 2: at in Elmhurst. There's a there's like a classic cinema.
Speaker 2: I was like, let's do it. It's like an old
Speaker 2: timey It's like it's like the Last Action Hero theater,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Oh cool, okay, like the movie Palace kind of one
Speaker 3: of them things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but the screening room itself had been upgraded
Speaker 2: and it had reclining seats and stuff and new new
Speaker 2: fangled sound and so we sit down and we start watching.
Speaker 2: The movie starts playing and you could not really make
Speaker 2: out the dialogue. Oh so the sound mix was shoddy
Speaker 2: to the to the point where Adam, to his credit,
Speaker 2: got up several times to be like, hey, guys, this
Speaker 2: the saint. It's not working. You know, the sound it's
Speaker 2: hard to hear you know.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Like like in terms like it
Speaker 3: was bad speakers.
Speaker 2: It was not. It was not mixed properly. And in
Speaker 2: my layman's opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe certain channels weren't coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so like the dialogue was being overpowered by
Speaker 2: the sound effects and whatnot. Okay, so you had to
Speaker 2: struggle a little bit to hear it. Like I'm I'm
Speaker 2: somebody when I watch movies at home, just as a
Speaker 2: I just I watched with subtitles on. So I'm I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: I could use some subtitles, you know.
Speaker 3: No, I just I don't know, because Federica does that too,
Speaker 3: and you're only emboldening her.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 3: It's a huge thing. I'm seeing memes about this. I
Speaker 3: was on the airplane recently. I saw people like, I know,
Speaker 3: this is a thing. I just I have such a
Speaker 3: hard time with it.
Speaker 2: I've been watching movies with subtitles since since two thousand
Speaker 2: and one, when they released The Godfather Trilogy on DVD. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was having trouble understanding some of these folks
Speaker 2: in their accents. I put on the subtitles. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the Promised Land.
Speaker 3: Do you find your eyes drawn to it? Though?
Speaker 2: At this point no, I'm just it's just part of
Speaker 2: the experience.
Speaker 3: So you're sort of used to them on screen. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 3: when I'm watching a foreign film or something in a
Speaker 3: different language, I'm used to it, and my eyes are
Speaker 3: drawn to it. I need them. But you so if
Speaker 3: you ALIGNE goes past really quickly, you don't understand it.
Speaker 3: You're kind of trained to look down really quickly.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean it's not I wouldn't even say
Speaker 2: it that directed emotion. It's just I'm just taking the
Speaker 2: totality of the screen, including the text.
Speaker 3: I see, I see.
Speaker 2: So, so Frederica, keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 3: I got your back.
Speaker 2: Don't listen to this this heathen. That's hilarious. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I could have used some of them subtitles watching it.
Speaker 2: So so the mix got a little better as we went,
Speaker 2: and it was not It was not an ideal experience.
Speaker 2: But I want to call out Adam actually getting up
Speaker 2: multiple times and asking him to fix it, because I
Speaker 2: don't know that I would have did that, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had experience like that too, where audio
Speaker 3: was weird. It's very loud, like loud to the point
Speaker 3: of pain. And I to this day, I'm like, why
Speaker 3: did I get up and say something rather than go
Speaker 3: through that for two and a half hours.
Speaker 2: So what ended up happening is I had to watch
Speaker 2: it again just so that I could I could make
Speaker 2: out the look. And you you watched this last.
Speaker 3: Night, right yesterday afternoon?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yesterday? Okay, So we have not discussed this at all.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's and I hate doing this.
Speaker 2: I think it's just one of those Eh, it's fine, Zachi. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I loved it. Wow.
Speaker 3: How often does that happen?
Speaker 2: Wow? All right?
Speaker 3: I went in very I wouldn't even say skeptical. I was.
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of alien and aliens, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: They're not like my terminator too, you know, I know
Speaker 3: it backwards and sure, sure it's tied to my youth
Speaker 3: or anything. Yeah, And so I saw the trailer, I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm hopeful. I love that shot of Kaylee
Speaker 3: Spainey with the gun. It looks like something from nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty six and the best.
Speaker 2: Possible way, totally yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I went into this truly out of obligation,
Speaker 3: like like I would watch it at some point, but
Speaker 3: you know, the hit to miss ratio in the series
Speaker 3: is not that great, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 3: so I went in like, Okay, here we go. And
Speaker 3: then it's like it starts out on that you know,
Speaker 3: colonized planet and you know her and her her brother
Speaker 3: quote unquote, and like and I was like, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of into this, like I'm enjoying the world building. And
Speaker 3: then it came up with their goal. You know, it's
Speaker 3: a little risky, but let's go do this and then
Speaker 3: we can get a specifics later. But like this ticking
Speaker 3: clock is introduced, and I literally out loud went fantastic.
Speaker 3: That ticking clock is so cool. And I loved the filmmaking.
Speaker 3: I loved the I thought they captured the alien aesthetic
Speaker 3: of these like damp ships and like a filmmaker visuals,
Speaker 3: you know, very thoughtful direction and like the tension was
Speaker 3: interesting or well done. The set pieces were inventive and
Speaker 3: used everything that was available within the not only the
Speaker 3: geography of the ship, but the logic of the ship
Speaker 3: and how it works.
Speaker 2: And the station or station space station.
Speaker 3: And like two thirds in, I was like, a plus
Speaker 3: right now, I mean it is this like a plus
Speaker 3: like Godfather's a plus. Like no, no, but like as
Speaker 3: an alien, I totally get what you're saying, A plus,
Speaker 3: Like I have no complaints. And then in the third
Speaker 3: act something happens that made me like, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's where it kind of lost me. Not even lost me,
Speaker 2: but that's where I was like, all right that you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was actually like, dude, I actually Frederika hates' movies
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 2: I think she actually like this.
Speaker 3: And then I was even like you know what, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take my brother. I'm gonna take my brother to this.
Speaker 3: And then I have to say the ending did knock
Speaker 3: me down to like yeah, maybe I'll take my brother.
Speaker 2: See Okay, So so without spoiling anything, here here is
Speaker 2: where I end up at. It's fine because I did
Speaker 2: enjoy it. I think I think all the stuff that
Speaker 2: you said, I think fide Alvarez did an amazing job,
Speaker 2: really evoking both of the first two films, both of
Speaker 2: like Chef's Kiss. Yeah, I don't what I and they
Speaker 2: you know what they said, what the filmmakers said. Oh,
Speaker 2: there's all these like nods to the other films in
Speaker 2: the series throughout. And I was on board for the
Speaker 2: most part. And we'll get into those and spoilers what
Speaker 2: I was less on board for. And my son, who
Speaker 2: I my oldest son. I went with him the second
Speaker 2: time he pointed this out, and I agree with him.
Speaker 2: The final third or the final bit at the near
Speaker 2: near the near the end is a virtual remake of
Speaker 2: the original movie.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree. I don't disagree, and you know, and
Speaker 3: that's the other thing too, I do have to give
Speaker 3: like a caveat, even though I'm not backing down from
Speaker 3: really enjoying myself. Yes, and maybe it even had to
Speaker 3: do with me sort of. Okay, I just got back
Speaker 3: from this trip. I'm really tired, but I gotta go
Speaker 3: see this and talk about with Zachi and yeah, and
Speaker 3: then getting really into it and leaning forward in my
Speaker 3: seat and walking out like man, I had a good time.
Speaker 3: That that was my perience. I also have seen people
Speaker 3: criticizing it for being I guess derivative, you know, like
Speaker 3: just repeating the first two films, and I would say,
Speaker 3: you know what, You're not wrong, like, you're not wrong,
Speaker 3: Like this to me feels like a synthesis. I would say,
Speaker 3: a very good synthesis of one and two.
Speaker 2: See, you know what, you're You're right. And and if
Speaker 2: I can just add to that, what it felt like
Speaker 2: to me was a Force Awakens Alien movie.
Speaker 3: Mmmm, yeah, sure right.
Speaker 2: You know how Force Awakens is basically a remake of
Speaker 2: Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what this.
Speaker 2: Is, right, and and essentially Kaylee Spainey is and you
Speaker 2: got you Got, you Got Ray and Finn basically, No,
Speaker 2: you're so right. I'm not saying that in a bad way.
Speaker 2: I get it because this is an IP and Disney's
Speaker 2: gonna want to find Fox Slash. Disney's gonna find ways
Speaker 2: to to you know, to platform it outward. Totally fine.
Speaker 2: The the the only part of that derivative, that derivative
Speaker 2: aspect that pulled me out was how much the final
Speaker 2: piece felt like just redoing the exact ending of Alien.
Speaker 3: You know, I can't disagree, and I think I actually
Speaker 3: liked it. We both have these opinions because I think
Speaker 3: we're coming from slightly similar but slightly different places relationships
Speaker 3: with the movies. So I'm happy I can sort of
Speaker 3: represent this where it's like someone who saw Star Wars
Speaker 3: two or three times and it was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I remember liking Star Wars. So it's not maybe as
Speaker 3: in my face right, although it did cross my mind
Speaker 3: while it was happening.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you, I mean, given the totality
Speaker 2: of alien films, I would place this in the upper third.
Speaker 3: You know me too, Oh yeah, definitely, you know.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know where i'd put it with
Speaker 2: reference to the third one, but certainly I liked it
Speaker 2: better than the fourth one, which I don't believe you've
Speaker 2: even seen.
Speaker 3: No, no, everybody told me it's not worth it, and
Speaker 3: so i've I'll watch it someday, but it's never that's
Speaker 3: a weird one, man, because I think it has some
Speaker 3: good ideas, yeah, that are not executed particularly well.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think this one what I really appreciated,
Speaker 2: and I think I think we're like ya close to spoilers, so,
Speaker 2: but ultimately what I appreciated was the esthetic approach, how
Speaker 2: it very much. It lives within the world of those
Speaker 2: first two movies. It's clearly made and Fida Alvarez and
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you know the various people he got to
Speaker 2: make the movie with them very much. Coming at it
Speaker 2: as fans of those.
Speaker 3: Two movies, definitely. I mean the production design, like I said,
Speaker 3: the damp ships, the old school sort of eighties kind
Speaker 3: of computers.
Speaker 2: The computers, yep, I loved that.
Speaker 3: Honestly, me too, man, you know, even just real I
Speaker 3: just wanted to in the filmmaking. Like it was the lenses.
Speaker 3: I could tell the lenses he was using, and like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was shot in film or not.
Speaker 3: Usually I'm pretty good at it. Twisters was shot on
Speaker 3: film and it was beautiful. You could tell. And I
Speaker 3: really feel like it elevated that film. This one, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it feels like it was, and so I
Speaker 3: think it reminded, you know, what it was, like, evoked
Speaker 3: the type of movies that delighted me when I was young. Sure,
Speaker 3: it's style. There's a group shot where the kids are
Speaker 3: talking about I think they're talking about taking off or
Speaker 3: what the plan is, and there's this group shot of
Speaker 3: them and it just has that sort of slightly warped
Speaker 3: wide angle sort of and the way that they're blocked
Speaker 3: and seated in the room. And I was just like, man,
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm watching a lust movie from my
Speaker 3: youth and it really and not just that stuff. I
Speaker 3: did enjoy the relationship with Kaylee Spiney and like I said,
Speaker 3: her brother, that worked for me that it was changes
Speaker 3: the shifts in that Yeah, that were for you two.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And by the way, David Johnson who plays Andy,
Speaker 2: he was great to me.
Speaker 3: That's like a starmaking role.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's terrific in though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's been great too. I mean, Priscilla had
Speaker 3: a good Civil War, good couple of years alien. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And I just thought the set piece, I mean, that's
Speaker 3: what we're going for. Could you completely shift it and
Speaker 3: not put it on a ship and people getting picked off? Yes,
Speaker 3: And I think they should because they're going to keep
Speaker 3: making these please do that. But for whatever this is,
Speaker 3: like I said, as a synthesis, I thought it was
Speaker 3: a highly successful synthesis of new characters, new locations, new parameters,
Speaker 3: and some really cool ideas for them to navigate through.
Speaker 3: That just had me. I literally noticed at one point,
Speaker 3: I was leaning for it in my seat, having a
Speaker 3: great time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think ultimately where I landed is is it?
Speaker 3: It's it's a.
Speaker 2: Fine entry in this franchise that doesn't touch its height, sure,
Speaker 2: but is pretty well above it's lows.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean in the in the age
Speaker 3: of these legacy sequels, these speaking of the Crow, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. You go, oh, well, they can
Speaker 3: make another good alien movie, even though yes, like, is
Speaker 3: it a little bit you know, an echo too much
Speaker 3: of an echo of something?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Very much.
Speaker 3: So absolutely I can see that, and it would be
Speaker 3: cool if they could figure out some sort of new
Speaker 3: angle to come at it with. Totally. But I guess
Speaker 3: it was just to my surprise how much I enjoyed this.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, you want to talk spoilers, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Spoiler.
Speaker 2: So right up top we come in. We you know,
Speaker 2: you have the type face, the saw bass typeface, you know,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, already, my my short hairs are
Speaker 2: standing up. I'm like, oh ho, there we.
Speaker 3: Dude, James Horner esque music over the stars. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, Like I was like, you're really going
Speaker 3: to do like a score like that.
Speaker 2: Well, and then and then we float through the wreckage
Speaker 2: of the Nostromo and I'm like, sign me up.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it looked I couldn't selve as a
Speaker 3: model or CG.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go.
Speaker 3: Whoever did that? Kudos, man, kudos.
Speaker 2: I had a student by the recently, who's who's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just watched the original Alien and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: did you think? And they said, you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: think the CG was very good. And I said, oh,
Speaker 2: well there's a reason for that. Oh no, but okay,
Speaker 2: So this is set twenty years after Alien. Right, it's
Speaker 2: a I think I think the term is mid qool
Speaker 2: as as the youngsters. So I liked that. I like
Speaker 2: how they found some cracks to fit a story into that.
Speaker 2: That all I was on board with the the what
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like, this is my problem, right, I'm like
Speaker 2: watching the how does the continuity fit together? Right? And
Speaker 2: and you've got the Ridley Scott prequel movies, you know, Prometheus,
Speaker 2: an Alien, Covenant, and you got this and how does
Speaker 2: it all fit? And And what I appreciated was that
Speaker 2: this movie attempts to encompass the totality. So you've got okay,
Speaker 2: so we should mention this. You've got a CGI resurrected
Speaker 2: Ian Holme.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about that?
Speaker 2: So I've seen a lot of people online kind of
Speaker 2: losing their shit over this. Yeah, right, oh, this is
Speaker 2: you know, it's disrespectful, it's a homunculus and all this
Speaker 2: other stuff and and on. Maybe this is like a
Speaker 2: controversial opinion, but I'm like, look, if you can do
Speaker 2: it well and if the family is on board with it,
Speaker 2: I don't see that much of a problem with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I thought it worked. It was jarring
Speaker 3: at first, right, and some of it I thought looked
Speaker 3: a little dodgy. I think that was the only dodgy
Speaker 3: looking visual effects in the film. Yes, but it felt
Speaker 3: of the world. It did.
Speaker 2: The only the only caveat I would say is I
Speaker 2: would have preferred if he and this is not ash.
Speaker 2: This is Rook, a new character. But you know, I
Speaker 2: think in terms of the movies Shorthand, it makes sense
Speaker 2: to have him because you see Ian Holme and right
Speaker 2: away you're like, this, this guy's sketchy as opposed to
Speaker 2: having a new synthetic person. And then we have to
Speaker 2: connect the dots on our own whether he is or
Speaker 2: not a good guy or a bad guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good point.
Speaker 2: However, I would have preferred not to have him be
Speaker 2: a presence all the way throughout. I think a little
Speaker 2: would have gone a long way.
Speaker 3: M M yeah yeah, Like I was appearing on those monitors,
Speaker 3: on the monitors, and then and then this is so
Speaker 3: this is a thing that bugged me.
Speaker 2: I don't mind member berries, but I don't like is
Speaker 2: you know, and this is Terminator movies do this like
Speaker 2: oh hey, I'll be back right yeah where He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't uh, you know, I won't tell
Speaker 2: you the chances, but you have my sympathy. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's the exact same thing. Ash says, like, you guys
Speaker 2: all just say the same stuff. You know. That stuff
Speaker 2: takes me out of it.
Speaker 3: And surprisingly, as on the nose as that was, that wasn't,
Speaker 3: the to my opinion, most offensive.
Speaker 2: Okay a line. I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If if Andy said get away from her period, yep,
Speaker 2: I would have been fine.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 2: When he says literally he's like, get away from her
Speaker 2: dot dot dot, I'm like, please, don't, please, don't please
Speaker 2: you bitch. Oh damn it.
Speaker 3: I know, it was like, oh, come on, like, it's
Speaker 3: like he watched the other movie exactly. That's and he
Speaker 3: doesn't drives me that way. That's that's not his character
Speaker 3: to talk like that, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 2: So that type of stuff I don't like. As far
Speaker 2: as the Rook character and the role he plays, I
Speaker 2: had no problem. Again, I'm kind of like, look, it
Speaker 2: sounds like the family was on board. And I know
Speaker 2: before Ian Holme died, he did this little cameo in
Speaker 2: the Hobbit, so I feel like he would have been
Speaker 2: open to this at least. I don't know. Maybe I don't.
Speaker 2: That's presumptuous on my part, but I just feel like
Speaker 2: it it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so all of that, I was on board with that.
Speaker 2: And again the aesthetic, like the way they go into
Speaker 2: the science lab and you're like, my god, this looks
Speaker 2: like the thing on the Nostromo. You know, like I
Speaker 2: loved all of that stuff. I think that this is
Speaker 2: and this is where watching it twice really helped. I
Speaker 2: was like, how long has this ship been like a derelict?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Because I'm like, it sounds
Speaker 2: like what they're doing is pretty important. Sounds like the
Speaker 2: company knew about it right right sitting here. And then
Speaker 2: the second time, because I could actually hear him, he's like,
Speaker 2: we were searching for the wreckage of the Nostromo for
Speaker 2: twenty years. We found it about one hundred and ten
Speaker 2: days ago, and so within the last three months all
Speaker 2: of this went down, right, So then it makes sense that, well,
Speaker 2: it's everything went to shit very quickly and the company
Speaker 2: just hasn't had time to send anybody and they just
Speaker 2: happened to stumble upon it then, So that that clicked
Speaker 2: for me. That made sense. Yeah, in terms of the
Speaker 2: the progression of the story, Like I said, I'm I
Speaker 2: was kind of like, first of all, when they find
Speaker 2: that whole the room with the face huggers, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: I've seen so many versions of this scene, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm kind they did something new. Yep, you know that.
Speaker 2: And then there's the other scene when they're going there's
Speaker 2: it's like a room full of face huggers and they
Speaker 2: have to just get through.
Speaker 3: It and be quiet, dude. And then that girl's in
Speaker 3: peril and she's speaking through the calm and he's like
Speaker 3: like trying to cover the calm.
Speaker 2: Great by the way, Dora the Explorer goes through it
Speaker 2: in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah she's ever said, Yeah, we just saw her in
Speaker 2: that other piece of shit movie too, was that.
Speaker 3: Madame Web Wow? Okay, now she's great in this. She
Speaker 3: was good in this, but dude, Yeah, the set pieces,
Speaker 3: the whole thing where they introduce the gravity, you know,
Speaker 3: kicking on and off, you know, introduced at the beginning,
Speaker 3: and it's fun because it makes it an obstacle for
Speaker 3: them to get to their goal, you know, right at
Speaker 3: the beginning. But that the way that that comes back
Speaker 3: into play when she's in that hallway. I loved it
Speaker 3: because she was in that hallway. She's literally got her
Speaker 3: back against the wall. There's all these aliens coming toward
Speaker 3: her and she's got that gun, but you can't shoot
Speaker 3: them because their acid blood will go through the ship
Speaker 3: and they'll crash. I literally was like, I love this.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what she can do. I don't know,
Speaker 3: and I can't wait to find out. And then when
Speaker 3: they use the gravity, and so she shoots kills all
Speaker 3: the aliens and all their blood is floating in the
Speaker 3: air and she has to navigate her way through there
Speaker 3: and even like she's going to encounter it, so she
Speaker 3: shoots her gun to push herself down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, come on, this is great.
Speaker 2: That was that was pretty effective. I mean, that's well,
Speaker 2: that's kind of the thing, right, that's the essential. This
Speaker 2: is something that Ridley Scott talked about after Prometheus, you know,
Speaker 2: before before Alien Covenant, they were going to do just
Speaker 2: a straight ahead sequel to Prometheus, and somebody asked him like,
Speaker 2: are you going to bring in the alien or whatever?
Speaker 2: He says, well, I think they've done everything they can
Speaker 2: with that creature, you know. And and you know, I
Speaker 2: think I think Fan uproar led to them doing Alien
Speaker 2: Covenant and that it's not a movie I was crazy about.
Speaker 2: Some people like it, but I think what this movie
Speaker 2: showed to me at least, it's like, well there's I mean,
Speaker 2: it's an it's a visually distinctive creature with a very
Speaker 2: specific set of strengths and limitations, and it's all about
Speaker 2: finding a new angle, you know. So I'm on board
Speaker 2: for that. Just HARKing back to what I was saying
Speaker 2: earlier about it, sort of these references that include the
Speaker 2: totality for me, hearing Ian Holme as basically Ash talking
Speaker 2: about the Prometheus. Yeah, that's to me, that's like Luke
Speaker 2: Skywalker mentioning Dart Citius. You know what I mean. You're like, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: it's that thing, but it's that other thing and they're
Speaker 2: all connected. Wow. Yeah yeah, like like I think, because
Speaker 2: again I was not a fan of Alien Covenant. However
Speaker 2: that's in the mix, right. That's so I like the
Speaker 2: idea of tying this in because to me, this by
Speaker 2: virtue of what we see in this film, it gives
Speaker 2: some context to Alien that is intriguing, right, like, oh,
Speaker 2: the company wanted the alien, but why did they want
Speaker 2: the alien? Oh they're trying to engineer people for terraforming
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like all of that is interesting, these little
Speaker 2: pieces that you can carry forward, you know. I did
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 3: Yes, all that world building stuff was great, and like
Speaker 3: I said, the first act, I was just eating it up,
Speaker 3: like seeing them what their reality was. And when she's
Speaker 3: trying to say that she has her hours and the
Speaker 3: poor you know, android beaten up and he's telling the
Speaker 3: dad jokes like I was just all that was so great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then I yeah, the black Goo it's it kind
Speaker 3: of makes sense why they would want It's like, well,
Speaker 3: everyone's dying, like we keep getting diseases. Like colonizing these
Speaker 3: places is not working out. We need to enhance these people.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh yeah, I mean I don't love
Speaker 3: the goo, but like it. It makes sense, like it
Speaker 3: they they fit it in and at the very least.
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, I'm going to contradict myself into a second.
Speaker 2: But one thing about both prometh and Covenant which drove
Speaker 2: me bananas is you have people acting in a way
Speaker 2: that no human would act under these circumstances.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, So in Prometheus, you're, you know, they're exploring this
Speaker 2: alien temple or whatever it is, and this weird snake
Speaker 2: looking thing pokes its head up, and so one of
Speaker 2: our genius scientific explorers is like, hey, buddy, and he
Speaker 2: kind of sticks his hand up. I'm like, what are
Speaker 2: you stupid? And he predictably dies shortly thereafter it. And
Speaker 2: then similar stuff in Covenant. They're like, hey, this planet's fine,
Speaker 2: let's all take off our helmets. I'm like, no, don't
Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, And for the most part with this film,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, they're at least acting believably. Yeah,
Speaker 2: up until Dora the Explorer is like, hey, let me
Speaker 2: inject this thing into my body. What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I mean, it's we'd joke about
Speaker 3: Chekhov's gun a lot, and it's funny because when she's
Speaker 3: about to do it, when she's still with Rain and Rain,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like, no, don't. I was like, oh, phew.
Speaker 3: But then when what's her name?
Speaker 1: Ka?
Speaker 3: You know she's a lone, she's pregnant, she's dying. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I don't really want this to happen,
Speaker 3: but you also realize it has to happen, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? And so then I mean, well, then
Speaker 3: the movie turns into the movie split, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. You get like the half man half alien
Speaker 3: hybrid thing, and I was like, eh, like for truly,
Speaker 3: like I was on a high with this movie, and
Speaker 3: when that thing was introduced, I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 3: don't know, how'd you feel about that?
Speaker 2: So it it? It looks it looks kind of like
Speaker 2: an engineer, you know, from Frometheus. Right, first of all,
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, that's some crazy cgi and that's
Speaker 2: actually a real dude.
Speaker 3: I'm the close ups I felt like you could tell
Speaker 3: it looked pretty good.
Speaker 2: I don't even mean the close ups. I mean just
Speaker 2: standing up. It's a real guy. Wow, Like you know
Speaker 2: how the alien in seventy nine, that's a guy in
Speaker 2: a suit. This is a guy who they just put
Speaker 2: like an alien tail on and crap.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope the NBA is keeping watch.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I so so the and the creature is
Speaker 2: called the Offspring by the way, okay, uh and it's
Speaker 2: say again I love that band. Yeah, it's reminiscent of
Speaker 2: an alien resurrection. There's a creature called the Newborn. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's like a human alien hybrid in a different way.
Speaker 2: I've heard about you like this. This this is a
Speaker 2: little call. Yeah, and that's disgusting looking in that So
Speaker 2: this is kind of in that vein. Yeah it uhh.
Speaker 2: I never fully got on board with it. I found
Speaker 2: it too disgusting looking.
Speaker 3: Yes, I thought it was gross for starters, but I
Speaker 3: can live with gross if I'm on board with it.
Speaker 3: But I it's like the whole reality of the movie
Speaker 3: shifted slightly and I was really enjoying the reality I
Speaker 3: had just been in, right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: which I you know, reality, aliens whatever, like right, but
Speaker 3: I get.
Speaker 2: The very similitude that they created, which.
Speaker 3: I thought they did very very well. And then this
Speaker 3: one I felt like I leapt into another like the
Speaker 3: movie Species or something, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I was really enjoying the other movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's so to me, it's was it was.
Speaker 2: I crazy about Act three. I was not did it
Speaker 2: kill the entire movie?
Speaker 3: For me?
Speaker 2: It did not. I know for some people it did.
Speaker 2: I'm not there. But but again, just just to echo
Speaker 2: what I was saying before, it's not even so much
Speaker 2: as the creature being kind of off putting or whatever,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, it just it became such a retread
Speaker 2: of like, Okay, now she's she's in her underwear. Now
Speaker 2: she's got to get into spacesuit, and now she's got
Speaker 2: to open up the vacuum of space. Like it's like
Speaker 2: beat for beat, you know.
Speaker 3: I definitely thought it with kicking the thing out into space.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about like when she was kind
Speaker 3: of yet ready, like in her underwear and whatever, that's.
Speaker 2: So true, You're right, And then at the end she's
Speaker 2: like this is rain.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Carrodine last survivor of this signing off, I'm like, is
Speaker 2: this just a thing that we do now in this universe?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Fair? Totally fair, you know.
Speaker 2: I like, like, that's the stuff that pricks me. And
Speaker 2: again it's not like a deal breaker, but that's that's like,
Speaker 2: that's like, hey, you've seen the other movie, right, and
Speaker 2: it's just like that thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like I'm kind of with you. It wasn't
Speaker 3: enough to derail the movie from me. At the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I like the first I'd say like
Speaker 3: three quarters of this movie really really enjoyed. Last quarter didn't,
Speaker 3: like I said, felt like I left into another movie,
Speaker 3: like you said, got a little repetitive. Although I will
Speaker 3: add to that I did love the Well, what I
Speaker 3: was saying referring to earlier with the ticking clock was
Speaker 3: we've got to get these power cells out of here,
Speaker 3: and in thirty six hours, this thing is just on
Speaker 3: a collision course to this ring of this planet, right,
Speaker 3: which I was like, oh, come on, that's so good,
Speaker 3: like right, like just using the environment, it makes total sense.
Speaker 3: It's organic original, that's a really fun And then of
Speaker 3: course they get you know, things go haywire and it
Speaker 3: shortens the window and they're going to hit those rings
Speaker 3: even quicker. So when it came to her being connected
Speaker 3: to that cable, having to get him out detached the
Speaker 3: bottom thing, and then it involved that bottom whatever storage
Speaker 3: thing colliding into those rings, the spinning rings of that planet,
Speaker 3: and then the shit blasting off just in time before
Speaker 3: it hits the rings. And I really liked that. I
Speaker 3: thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: No, I think the internal logic holds up pretty well.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure somebody will write in and tell me
Speaker 2: how it falls apart and which is fine. But I mean,
Speaker 2: just at a glance, it seem seemed to hold up okay,
Speaker 2: and so I'm fine with that, and I like for
Speaker 2: the most part how it fits in continuity wise, and
Speaker 2: I'm definitely like, well, well there's an opportunity here to
Speaker 2: do something with this universe. I mean, I like the universe,
Speaker 2: you know, I like the alien universe. I love whyland Utani,
Speaker 2: which I'm I'm gonna say is like Amazon one hundred
Speaker 2: years from now. Basically. Yeah, it was all fun and
Speaker 2: games and we were ordering toilet paper. You know, they'll
Speaker 2: be bioengineering us before we know it, you know, I like,
Speaker 2: I like that like the fleshing out of what the
Speaker 2: company is everything else. And I think the existence of
Speaker 2: this film within this time period in the in the
Speaker 2: you know, the cannon speaks to like the acknowledgment that well,
Speaker 2: that's the most fruitful place to tell stories.
Speaker 3: Mmmm.
Speaker 2: Sure, because you know, because they kept moving forward. The
Speaker 2: last the fourth, the Sigourney Weaver one is like one
Speaker 2: hundred years after or whatever it is, you know, and
Speaker 2: it gets less interesting, you know, But when you keep
Speaker 2: it somewhat close to where we came in, you know
Speaker 2: that there's the opportunity there for for something that we
Speaker 2: can somewhat relate to. Yep, yep. And so it's it's
Speaker 2: again at this point, this is a very this is
Speaker 2: a very expansive franchise. So it's I'm kind of looking
Speaker 2: at it at any new films as new Terminator movies
Speaker 2: almost like, Okay, well, at this point, we're not going
Speaker 2: to get anything close to those first two. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: give me something that that pulls me in a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I would say in terms of hit to miss ratio,
Speaker 2: as far as that goes, I'd say the Alien franchise
Speaker 2: is fared better overall than than than the terminatory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh so it's it, it's it's uh for me personally,
Speaker 2: I'm when when the movie ended, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know what else you can do with this character,
Speaker 2: but I'd be curious to see more of her. So
Speaker 2: that's to me, like that, I'd put that in the
Speaker 2: wind column, you know.
Speaker 3: Totally totally. I mean, yeah, her and her brother being
Speaker 3: sort of the main protagonists. I really enjoyed their journey,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean where he's sort of a caretaker
Speaker 3: for her, but he's programmed to be sort of like
Speaker 3: almost like a younger brother, it seems. And then when
Speaker 3: he gets his chip replaced and he becomes really smart,
Speaker 3: and then he's basically you know, the needs of the
Speaker 3: many way the needs of the few kind of becomes
Speaker 3: cold in that sort of way that they don't like.
Speaker 3: And then you know, her deciding to go back after him,
Speaker 3: like all that track for me, the emotionality of all
Speaker 3: that I was really important.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I I mean I think, well, and when
Speaker 2: we look at the the other human characters on balance,
Speaker 2: I liked them same, which to me, that's that's your
Speaker 2: win right there, where you're actually like, oh I don't
Speaker 2: do that, you know, like all of that idiot, the
Speaker 2: the the the guy, the the guy with the headband. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the kind of the jerk character when he when he
Speaker 2: sticks the that little electrode probe thing from from King
Speaker 2: to the Planet of the Apes, when he puts that
Speaker 2: in the the sack and he pulls it, I sees
Speaker 2: this burned. I'm like, hey, stupid, yeah, keep walking moron,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. It's like, hey, there's this thing sticking out.
Speaker 2: Let me let me just poke my eye socket right
Speaker 2: up next to it and see what's happening there. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the stuff where I'm like, come on, come on, guys. Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: It's it's very funny because because again, you you look
Speaker 2: at John Hurt in Alien and when he looks into
Speaker 2: the thing, You're like, well, don't do that right, right,
Speaker 2: And you always say like, would I say that? Now,
Speaker 2: I'm only saying that because I know Alien, right, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm just a terrified person in general.
Speaker 2: So something is guey and sketchy and and not you know,
Speaker 2: it does not occur naturally.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna stick my face in it.
Speaker 2: That's to me, that's how Zaki is on rolls.
Speaker 3: No need to poke it. I'm not a poke type
Speaker 3: of ers.
Speaker 2: Just keep walking. It walks. Yeah. But but you know, uh,
Speaker 2: I I'm glad it's performing because I'm curious to see
Speaker 2: what happens next with this universe. I think it's interesting
Speaker 2: that Ridley Scott is an EP on this, and I
Speaker 2: would not be surprised if the Prometheus references were put in.
Speaker 2: At his prodding.
Speaker 3: One he's like, it's like, where's the goo?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, Like he's kind of like the the you know,
Speaker 2: the overseer of Alien and stuff. It feels like I
Speaker 2: think he might even be involved with this new show
Speaker 2: that's coming up.
Speaker 3: You know what, though, he set the template, and that
Speaker 3: is quite a template.
Speaker 2: Like I quite a template, you know.
Speaker 3: Halfway through I was even thinking there was that movie
Speaker 3: that came out a couple of years ago, Life all Right,
Speaker 3: which was a lot like Alien essentially, you know, this
Speaker 3: entity picking out people in space, and I remember being fine,
Speaker 3: I don't remember a lot about it, to be honest, right,
Speaker 3: but it didn't linger in my mind. It didn't create
Speaker 3: a world I remember, and I thought about that during
Speaker 3: this because man, this it's really Scott created this sort
Speaker 3: of vibe for this universe. But I was amazed at
Speaker 3: how they reconjured that vibe. It's just not easy to do.
Speaker 3: I mean we were talking about it in the Terminator
Speaker 3: Salvation commentary where I was like, this doesn't feel connected
Speaker 3: to the other movies. For me, it doesn't even resemble
Speaker 3: the other movies, right, And I was just amazed that
Speaker 3: he was able, Alvarez was able to do that, like
Speaker 3: it it felt like an a level execution. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean in this world it fits seamlessly between the first
Speaker 3: two yep, where I'd be very curious, like if someone
Speaker 3: were to watch them in chronological order, how they would flow.
Speaker 3: And that, honestly, that's the reason why the little, the
Speaker 3: little verbal nods I didn't like, m yeah, because you're right.
Speaker 3: If you put up sorry, I'm I'm how are you
Speaker 3: often probably gonna say the same thing you're about to Yeah,
Speaker 3: well go ahead. Yeah. Well then if you get the
Speaker 3: the Andy character saying get away from her, you bitch,
Speaker 3: and then you watched Aliens next, it's like it takes
Speaker 3: away the power of that moment, which is an incredible moment.
Speaker 2: Yes again, it's in the theater. I was like, get
Speaker 2: away from her. I love it. And then when he
Speaker 2: says you.
Speaker 3: Bitch, I was like, really, like, I would be kind
Speaker 3: of curious to be in the room when they're making
Speaker 3: a decision, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know, you know they had that
Speaker 2: conversation should we put this part of that way? You know?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure there was decision. Yeah, like a very
Speaker 3: version with a version without it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, Hey, you know what, Look, as far
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, we have the television show coming next
Speaker 2: year by Noah Hawley, and I think that is set
Speaker 2: a concurrent to Prometheus, if I'm not mistaken timeline wise.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't know what the plan
Speaker 2: is are that it's called Alien Earth. Make of that
Speaker 2: what you will, Okay, but but I'm excited to see
Speaker 2: what they do.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm in. I'm in, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is you know, the Alien franchise. You know,
Speaker 2: for me, it's even between the films. You know. Dark
Speaker 2: Horse Comics for the longest time, they had a whole
Speaker 2: series of comic books, yeah, and set in different time
Speaker 2: periods and whatever. And they did the same thing with Predator,
Speaker 2: you know, and that I'm kind of like that if
Speaker 2: we end up with something like that, like what dark
Speaker 2: Horse Comics did for all those decades, like here's an
Speaker 2: alien story set in this time, you know, and that's
Speaker 2: I'm on board for that totally, because I think the
Speaker 2: creature is obviously visually distinctive. It's never you'll never be
Speaker 2: able to do this kind of creature as good as this.
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: potential for different story I've used to.
Speaker 3: Explore, you know, I agree, And if you can keep
Speaker 3: coming with interesting scenarios and ways to play with this stuff, yeah,
Speaker 3: well then I will enjoy it.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: This is great, man. I'm really enjoyed this conversation. When
Speaker 3: it ended, I was so tempted to text you. Really,
Speaker 3: we don't tend to do that, so I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to avoid it talking tomorrow. So yeah, well,
Speaker 3: I hope people enjoyed this conversation, and hey, let us
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Speaker 2: Watchman Chapter one. This is the new animated adaptation of
Speaker 2: the classic.
Speaker 3: Graphic novel A wait, where's that to watch you?
Speaker 2: It's streaming, but my review is at IgM. Cool off,
Speaker 2: check that out. So, yeah, they've taken the graphic novel
Speaker 2: and they're adapting it into two parts, a two part
Speaker 2: animated movie, so kind of like the long Halloween, Got It,
Speaker 2: Got It?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: So so this, the first part goes up to well, shit,
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what party goes up.
Speaker 3: To, but.
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting because I think I think it's a
Speaker 2: good adaptation. It's by J. Michael Straczinski. He did the
Speaker 2: script and it's you know, he created about on five,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And he, unlike the Snyder film, you know,
Speaker 2: he tries to stick very closely to the to the text,
Speaker 2: you know. But the problem I had is that in
Speaker 2: terms of like the performances, which are all pretty good,
Speaker 2: but you can't help but compare them with the live
Speaker 2: action performers. And and say what you will about the
Speaker 2: Zack Snyder movie, the casting was like on point, Jackie
Speaker 2: Earl Haley was amazing as Warshak, right right right, And
Speaker 2: here you've got Titus well Over as Warshak. Titus well Over,
Speaker 2: great actor, and I can totally see him as Warshak.
Speaker 3: But it's not Jackie Earl Haley. Sure sure feels like
Speaker 3: an imitation.
Speaker 2: Following that, yeah, weirdly right and then and then the
Speaker 2: bigger problem, and this is this is the issue with
Speaker 2: both the Snyder film and the animated movie. Neither one
Speaker 2: convinced me that you're not better off just reading the comic. Hmmm. Interesting,
Speaker 2: that's to me. I'm like the comic. I mean, I
Speaker 2: remember you had this issue with the with the Snyder film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I I read it for the first
Speaker 3: time in preparation for the movie, and I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah hmm, okay, well, you know, I mean, if I
Speaker 3: come across it out of curiosity, I'd like to see
Speaker 3: there's certain moments.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not terrible. It's not terrible. And the
Speaker 2: the animation at CG animated, but the style is meant
Speaker 2: to look like Dave Gibbons is drawing, sure, which I
Speaker 2: think is really cool. I kind of evokes his brushstroke
Speaker 2: and stuff, so so worth the look, worth the look anyway? Cool? Cool?
Speaker 2: But what about you? What do you have anything you
Speaker 2: want to talk up?
Speaker 3: Well? In past weeks, I've been talking about episodes of
Speaker 3: Young Jedi Adventures dropping and they've dropped, so those are
Speaker 3: available now season two, first batch of episodes on Disney
Speaker 3: Junior and Disney Plus.
Speaker 2: There you go, there it is. Thanks everybody for listening.
Speaker 2: We'll catch you next time. This has been episode two
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