WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:09.519 Welcome Friends, its podcast podcasting time show Jack Again, Bryan, 2 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:12.519 they're talking down mom back. 3 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.399 Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode two ninety nine, brought 4 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.800 to you by Mister Boyd Productions. I'm Zaki Hassan. I'm here 5 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:23.519 with Brian O. 6 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:24.679 Hey. How's it going, Zachi? 7 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:27.839 Hey, We're back after our what feels like a summer 8 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:28.519 break kind of. 9 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:32.159 I know, I mean, we still had stuff dropping, but 10 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:35.399 a couple of those things we had had banked and 11 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.399 so I actually I was telling Federica last night, like 12 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:40.799 it feels weird like we've had you and I think 13 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:44.479 almost like two weeks I think since we last recorded. 14 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.399 Two weeks of not talking to each other at all. 15 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:49.920 I know, I know, and we've both been traveling. We've 16 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:51.759 all seen this great country of ours. 17 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.520 It's true, which has been nice. How was it? How 18 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:57.159 was your trip? It was good? Yeah. I went to Chicago, 19 00:00:57.799 --> 00:00:59.920 as as I tend to do during the summer. I do, 20 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:04.319 I do. I've come to anticipate that as sort of 21 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.920 my my end of summer getaway. So this year it 22 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.680 was kind of a question mark whether I'd be able 23 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:11.719 to make it because because there was baby coming. But 24 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:14.359 I was able to move some things around. And it 25 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.879 was me and my second kid. We we had a 26 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:18.680 lot of fun. It was it was just the tourist, 27 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.200 which is nice. You know, that's cool. That's cool. 28 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:23.760 Bond bonding trip hopefully. 29 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.319 And speaking of Bond, yeah, we went to the Museum 30 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.359 of Science and Industry in in Chicago and uh, they 31 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.439 have a Science of double oh seven exhibit there. 32 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:34.799 What did I get into? 33 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.359 Like the gadgets and uh yeah, so they got they 34 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.319 got the props and you know that you've got the 35 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:44.200 actual Golden gun wielded by by by Christopher Lee on display. 36 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.200 You have the jet pack worn by by Sean Connery. Uh. 37 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.200 Plus oh so many cars. You have the the the 38 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:57.120 you know from Living Daylights and uh, the Spy who 39 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:59.640 Loved Me and Die Another Day, Casino Roy et cetera, 40 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.599 et cetera. See all the cars there. For me, it 41 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.280 was a lot of fun. And and the nice thing 42 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.039 is my son and I had gone through the majority 43 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:10.400 of the Bond movies just last year, so they were 44 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:13.159 within his frame of reference, which is just extra nice. 45 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:14.919 Man, that's perfect. Wow, that's fun. 46 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:17.479 Yeah. There was you know this other thing that was 47 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:23.199 super cool on Navy Peers. This exhibit called Flyover Okay, 48 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.080 and it's kind of this. It's it's similar to I 49 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:29.639 think at Disney they have something called Soaring, Yes, soaring 50 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:33.719 over California exactly. So this is basically that, but but Chicago. 51 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.800 And so you you you're you know, you're in a chair. 52 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.240 You buckle up, and it's like a dome projection of 53 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.240 like drone footage flying in and around Chicago. 54 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:48.560 Dude, that's what was It? Was there a video beforehand 55 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.680 starring Patrick Warburton, Not. 56 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.879 But no, not Patrick Warburton. It was, but it was 57 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:56.639 a video kind of saying how awesome Chicago is, which 58 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:58.759 you don't need to tell me that you you already 59 00:02:58.759 --> 00:02:59.439 got my ticket. 60 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:01.039 Hey, that's my kind of town. 61 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:05.960 It indeed, it is a personatra yeah, and I'll tell 62 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.000 you I have not done Soaring, but this it it's 63 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:14.000 what it must be like to be Superman, right right, Yeah, 64 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:15.879 you know, yep, I love it. 65 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:20.560 I've only done the Disneyland one, but it's one of 66 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:24.000 those things that everybody loves, you know, even though it's 67 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:25.639 just getting in a chair and sitting in front of 68 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:27.960 a big movie screen at like the you know, most 69 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.000 fantastical theme park in the world. It's just that cool, 70 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.439 you know, it's that transportive. And and also I know 71 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:41.319 on the California one they spray sense into the room occasionally, 72 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.840 so you'll go over an orange grove and you'll smell oranges. 73 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:47.360 They do that similar. Yeah, And do you feel kind 74 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:48.879 of wind in your face? 75 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:49.759 Yeah? 76 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.000 Yeah, I mean they're at one point you kind of 77 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.439 it goes above the skyline, so you're talking like above 78 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.919 the Sears tower and you're looking straight down and then 79 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.439 it drops and just I mean I'm not moving right 80 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:04.599 but unconscious. I'm like, whoa, you. 81 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:07.560 Know, Yeah, that's awesome. 82 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.639 So that that was a I'm really glad I did that. 83 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:13.360 And that was totally my son. Like we were we 84 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:14.719 were running late, and I was like, all right, I 85 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.240 don't think we're too He's like, let's just do it. 86 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.360 I'm glad, glad we did that. 87 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:20.399 Yeah, good mom, glad he said something too. 88 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.639 Yeah. I mean it helps, honestly, because because otherwise, if 89 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.680 I have the whole clown car with me, it's it's 90 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:29.600 harder to fork out for some of the stuff. You know, 91 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.839 we did like the this speedboat thing off off of 92 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:37.199 Lake Michigan, which which was just bananas because we were 93 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:39.560 just completely drenched by the end of it. 94 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.040 He sent me a picture of before and after. 95 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:46.000 It was Yeah, I mean it was completely so a 96 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.160 lot of fun. But it's I if I had everybody, 97 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.360 i'd be like, Nope, not doing that, because I was 98 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.639 you know, it was not cheap, but but a great time. Also, 99 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:58.199 I want to mention, you know, one of our regular listeners, 100 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.519 Adam Lance Hendrickson. You know, usually when I go to Chicago, 101 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:04.480 I try to meet him. You know, we've grabbed breakfast 102 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.920 last couple of weeks, last couple of times. This time 103 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:10.160 we weren't able to make breakfast work. But I was like, hey, 104 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.680 why don't we watch Alien Romulus? 105 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:14.720 Oh cool? 106 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:21.120 And Adam, God bless Adam. It was his tenth anniversary 107 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:24.399 and He's like, I'm going to hang out with my 108 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.000 wife in the evening, but in the afternoon, I'm going 109 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:27.680 to hang out with you. 110 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:30.000 Wow, dude, that's great. 111 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:33.120 So I was really glad about that. So thank you, 112 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.519 Thank you Adam for making the time for that. I 113 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:40.720 really appreciated that. Yeah, I also wanted to mention that 114 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:42.800 just because this is a thing that just happened to me. 115 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.360 I just dropped my car off for service this morning, 116 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:51.600 and the service advisor at Nissan is somebody I had 117 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.560 as a student like seventeen years ago. 118 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.839 Wow, it's amazing. 119 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:57.560 Right. 120 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:01.879 So he's like, mister Hassan, yeah, you know. 121 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:05.480 And and it took me a second, but I recognize him, 122 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:07.879 and you know, he's got like great temples now and stuff. 123 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.240 And I'm like, wow, damn, you know. And and he 124 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.600 said the nicest thing. He's like, you know, I've been 125 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.000 on this whole journey in my life since then, and 126 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.759 yours is one of the classes that stayed with me. 127 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.279 And he said, I don't necessarily remember everything you taught me, 128 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.319 but I remember how you taught it to me. Huh, 129 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.600 like the the enthusiasm that I had being there and whatever. 130 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.079 And I mean what else can I ask for? Right? 131 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.360 That sounds like the highest compliment. 132 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:37.160 Uh? 133 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:40.079 That that was? That was It got my day off 134 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:40.639 to a good start. 135 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:43.959 I have to say, yeah, oh man, I love that. 136 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:44.680 That's so cool. 137 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:47.759 But what have you been up to? Enough about me? 138 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.639 Who cares about me? Well? 139 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:54.600 I you know, spoken about well on our Twisters commentary 140 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.040 our mutual friend Shawn you Speak co hosts on the show. 141 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:03.079 He and his family moved out of California into North Carolina, 142 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:08.639 and so I the family, majority of the family flew 143 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.639 out there, but there were two dogs to also. 144 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:12.680 Get Shawn's family. 145 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.959 By the way, Shawn's family said yeah, and so Sean 146 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:18.399 and I. He rented a mini van and we loaded 147 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:20.399 it up with things and the two dogs and we 148 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:24.720 literally drove from LA to to North Carolina. 149 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:27.759 So did you have like the Bill CONTI karate Kid 150 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.759 opening music? We should have. 151 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.720 Yeah, yeah, instead of I remember when his mom when 152 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.240 they arrived in California, She's like, look at those palm trees, 153 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:39.800 like that's I should have been, like, look at those lighthouses, 154 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:44.120 you know. When we got out there. But it was incredible. 155 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:48.759 I mean, obviously it was very bittersweet just having Sean 156 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:52.000 move out there, but it's a trip I'll never forget, 157 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:53.800 you know. It was just one of those things where 158 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.240 you get to be in a car with your your 159 00:07:55.240 --> 00:08:00.519 best friend for like the entire day, literally seeing the country, 160 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:02.720 being where are we over in Texas? Oh okay, you know, 161 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.199 like just one of those things, and just getting to 162 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.439 eat random places, letting the dogs out. We were saying, 163 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:09.839 you know, these dogs got to see more of the 164 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.040 country than some other people ever get to see in 165 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:17.800 their lives, you know, pee on different grasses. So it 166 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:21.279 was it was a really awesome, meaningful time that meant 167 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:25.120 a lot to me. And man, I feel like I 168 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:28.240 missed out. Yeah, you know, it's just one of those things, 169 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.519 you know, if if it's gonna happen and you're gonna 170 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:34.200 have a friend move so far away, it's just really 171 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.519 special to get to spend that time then on that 172 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:38.919 you know, had that journey be apart, you know. 173 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:42.960 Yeah. So so for folks listening, maybe more more recent 174 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.840 comers who may not realize, you know, Sean co hosted 175 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.679 this show with us for the first you know, about 176 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:51.159 about a year and a half or so of this 177 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:56.159 of this podcast. But of course he's he's dipped back 178 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.320 in ever since. But above and beyond that, I mean 179 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.039 he and I know I can speak for you with 180 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.559 this too. I mean, he has been a constant presence 181 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:12.120 in our lives for the better part of a quarter century. Yeah, right, 182 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.279 And and you know I've known him since high school. 183 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:16.840 You known him since college, and there was that I've 184 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:19.919 always had that sense that even as you know, when 185 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:23.480 we lived in Chicago, he was you know, no more 186 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:31.039 than fifteen minutes away. Right when I would I would 187 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.320 go over to his parents' house so much that they 188 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.279 would set a place for me at the dinner table. 189 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.759 You know, I was like the Skippy if they were 190 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:39.320 the Keatons. 191 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.559 You know, we're gonna go down a worm or a 192 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:45.600 rabbit hole of a reference explanation. 193 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.799 Yeah, look it up, kids. And then you know, when 194 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:54.120 I moved to California, he followed shortly within a few months. Yeah, 195 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:55.399 I moved to I was in the Bay Area. He 196 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.799 moved to LA But you know, even though California's pretty 197 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.120 big state and it's pretty far, it was like a 198 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.960 forty five minute plane ride away, right right, And so 199 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.440 there was a sense of like, well, Sean is right there, 200 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:12.000 and and he's still right there. He's just a text 201 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.960 message away. But there's something about knowing he's across the 202 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:20.639 country now m hm. That definitely it hit me hard. 203 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.840 But it's also I mean, this is this is life, right, 204 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:26.039 he has change. 205 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.360 There's there's many chapters in our books, and it's always 206 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.240 kind of weird when a new chapter starts. Yeah, but 207 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:35.320 then you you look back at some of the older 208 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.720 chapters and they felt weird and different when they started, 209 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:39.279 but then you're like, oh that's still A was a 210 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.840 beautiful chapter. And I think it was nice for me 211 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.559 being out there because it didn't feel far away. It 212 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.240 was like, oh, well, I get to see where he 213 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:50.840 is now, this is the town, this is you know whatever, 214 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.000 it got to exist in that for a day, go 215 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:55.120 to the beach with the whole family and everything, and 216 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:58.039 it felt very accessible. And then I got on a 217 00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:59.320 plane and I flew back, and I was like, well 218 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.200 that was easy, you know. So it's like I'll get 219 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:03.879 on a plane again and fly back out there. 220 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:08.240 So you did not have to ride a covered wagon 221 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:11.639 Oregon Trail style. 222 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:14.840 You know. There were many times when I was looking 223 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:18.159 at this great nation of ours, it's landscape, and I 224 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.440 was like, why did they keep going these crazy mountains? 225 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:27.600 And I was like, wow, is I can't even fathom it? Yeah, 226 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.080 what that would have been like the trail, But hey, we're. 227 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.559 Grateful they did the work on our behalf right that. 228 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.720 And also I have to say, literally taking a freeway 229 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:41.440 from like one ocean to the other, I marveled at 230 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.559 like the people that built these things that plotted out 231 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.360 all our freeways and roads and everything across and like 232 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:52.559 connected this huge country of ours, Like, it's remarkable. I mean, 233 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.720 it's just to think that that road never stopped and 234 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:56.879 it went all the way from one coast to the other. 235 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.320 It really, we talked about it. We're like, that's incredible, 236 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:00.600 these people that help this thing. 237 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.159 I hope you kind of filmed a little bit of 238 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:07.039 the business you encountered along the way, just sort of 239 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.159 just attract that journey, you know. I feel like that 240 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.080 would make a fun, you know, montage of some kind 241 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:13.720 of cut together. 242 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.559 Yeah, definitely a little bit of film, a lot of 243 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:21.519 pictures for sure. But yeah. Yeah, So then we've both 244 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:23.000 both rolled back into town. 245 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.200 Yeah, very I have to admit I was very selfishly. 246 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.440 I was like, hurry up and get back so I 247 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:33.759 can talk about alien romulus. 248 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.600 With you know what, Well I want to now I'm 249 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:38.519 get right into that, but we will, we. 250 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.159 Will get there. Well, what else have you seen? 251 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.159 I saw it right before I left. I saw two 252 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:47.960 things that I'll mention. One is I'd mentioned it before, 253 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.320 but the show on Hulu, The Bear, which is uh, 254 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.399 you know, it takes place in Chicago, speaking of and 255 00:12:55.799 --> 00:13:00.679 about a professional chef who inherits kind of a family 256 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.759 business where they make Italian beef sandwiches, and then he 257 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.799 turns it into like a real high end kind of restaurant. 258 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:10.000 And the journey he keeps the crew the staff on 259 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.480 from the beef restaurant, and it's sort of the journey 260 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.039 of going from one type of restaurant to the other. 261 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.519 And it's a very you know, it's sort of I've 262 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.159 said it before, but I'm sure a lot of people 263 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.519 said this. It's like uncut gems in a restaurant. It's 264 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:27.879 very intense, very stressful. But the characters are really good. 265 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.200 And I worked in restaurants for a while, and so 266 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.039 I really like seeing that environment. And I had heard 267 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.120 i'd love season one, love season And by the way, 268 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.320 when when you and I first met, you were working 269 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.000 in a restaurant, That's right. 270 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.840 We literally was a while you were working in said restaurant. 271 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.240 Yep, and you were at my table and we found 272 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:48.639 out that we were going to be in the same 273 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:49.639 film class in a week. 274 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.039 Cut to twenty five years later, exactly twenty five years later, 275 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:56.360 who thought. 276 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:58.360 Here we are. That's amazing. 277 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.200 Here we are two hundred nine ninety nine episodes into 278 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:01.879 a podcast. 279 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:04.840 Man, I mean, and just now like it's been off 280 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.120 a little bit. Like I took Federica to my hometown 281 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.000 for the first time this year, and that restaurant, Hula Hans. 282 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.080 I mean, it was a real formative experience for me 283 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:17.519 working there. It was like a second college experience, honestly. 284 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:19.440 And I'm still close with a lot of those people 285 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:23.000 that I worked with. And it's since gone out of business, 286 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:26.519 but the building is still there. 287 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.679 But it's like, isn't it something else now? 288 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.120 It's just a husk. I mean, it's empty. And so 289 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:36.480 Federica and I went up and the whole thing was 290 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:38.240 my brother and I worked there for X amount of 291 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.320 years and there was a booth that had these two 292 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.399 name plaques on it of these two women, and nobody 293 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:48.039 knew who they were. And we're like, oh, well, my 294 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.120 brother and I like, well, we're leaving. We've been here 295 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:51.960 for a while, and I guess it's like the hubers 296 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.080 of being twenty years old or twenty one years old. 297 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.320 We're like, let's take those down and put up our 298 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:59.559 names as plaques. And so that's what we did, like 299 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.519 our last we took drills out and drilled those plaques, 300 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:06.840 put our names into the booth. And uh I had 301 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:09.480 people who you know from that town, who I went 302 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.840 to high school with and beyond, and they would text 303 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:14.360 me through the years and be like, dude, your plaques 304 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:17.480 are still there, Like they're still in the booth. And 305 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.399 so sure enough this year when when Frederica and I 306 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.919 went out there, we looked through the window. All the 307 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.759 tables are gone, the place is almost completely empty, but 308 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:27.519 those two plaques are still on the wall. 309 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.440 Well damn all right, Yeah, we're gonna be there. 310 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:33.039 Until the roof caves in. 311 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:38.320 I guess that's that's kind of that's that's like, uh, 312 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:41.919 it's you know those those documentaries on the Learning Channel 313 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.399 or something like the World Without Us sort of the 314 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:49.519 World after Us? Yes, right, right, like nothing nothing left 315 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.039 but that yep. 316 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.159 Or like when Bart writes his name in the concrete 317 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.519 and they're like, who was this Bart? You know, like. 318 00:15:58.360 --> 00:15:58.679 But yes. 319 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:01.600 Going back to the Bear, Season one great, Season two 320 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.799 I really love there was an episode that focused on 321 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:06.600 one character that I think might be one of my 322 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:11.799 favorite episodes of TV ever. And season three I kind 323 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.600 of put off. I don't know why. I just wanted 324 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:15.919 to be in the right mood for it, and I 325 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.639 had heard a lot of people saying, oh, this is 326 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:20.360 where it's starting to go off the rails, like they 327 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:22.919 had listened to their own hype and now it's becoming 328 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.960 a little pretentious and they're you know, certain episodes will 329 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.759 revolve around one idea and then just spin its wheels 330 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.600 in that idea for thirty minutes and go art, you know, 331 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.320 kind of a thing. And so I went into that like, oh, 332 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.080 here we go. I'm not ready to not like this thing, 333 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.279 but I liked it. So I can see what some 334 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.600 people are saying. Just recently. I can't recall who, but 335 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.919 I saw someone posting about the first episode, which is 336 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:56.320 essentially a montage. The whole thirty plus minutes is a montage, 337 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.480 and it's it's almost like a previously on in a way, 338 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.720 but there's a lot of new footage and your understanding 339 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:04.559 the main character a little bit more, seeing a little 340 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.240 bit more of his past. It's very artistic. It's very 341 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:12.440 out there. But it totally worked for me. And that said, 342 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:15.240 there were other episodes, if you want to call them 343 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.759 bottle episodes. I suppose that didn't work for me as well. 344 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.599 And there was one I'll just say it's one where 345 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:24.039 someone is giving birth and it becomes it's literally just 346 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:27.359 two characters talking for the whole episode, and I quickly 347 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.119 realized that's all that was going to happen, you know. 348 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:32.039 I was like, Oh, she's gonna have a monologue, and 349 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:34.480 then she's gonna have a monologue, and then the other 350 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:35.480 person's gonna have a monologue. 351 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:35.680 Again. 352 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:38.799 I was like, okay, Like I just I don't know, 353 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:40.240 maybe it was the wrong night, but I was not 354 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:41.799 feeling it, and I was like, Okay, this is one 355 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:43.240 of those that I'm just gonna have to let go. 356 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:45.839 And I watched it. But but then they had another 357 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.480 episode where they focused on one particular character and their journey, 358 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:54.519 and oh magic just like a short film, a beautiful 359 00:17:54.559 --> 00:18:00.079 short film about just a person. So you know, looking 360 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.319 at the arc of the season, did we get very far? 361 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:06.799 Not really? Actually, not really. I mean, they sort of 362 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:08.880 set up a goal at the beginning that I don't 363 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:10.519 I mean, I watched it a week ago, but I 364 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.880 don't think we got there. But I enjoy spending time 365 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:17.160 in this place, and I find the characters very compelling, 366 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.319 and I believe I read somewhere I don't quote me 367 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.920 man this, but I believe that the creator wanted three seasons, 368 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:29.759 but Kulu wanted four and they shot these back to 369 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:32.440 back three and four, So I wonder if there's a 370 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.359 little bit of a stretching that was happening. Oh interesting, 371 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.160 and I know that happened with ted Lasso also, where 372 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.799 they were like, Okay, we'll do you know, ten episodes, 373 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:42.759 and then Apple's like, can you give us thirteen? And 374 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:44.920 then there was like these three episodes that just did 375 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.880 not flow with the others. So I don't know if 376 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.400 that's the case, But my opinion, I still enjoyed this world, 377 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.240 and I'm looking forward to season four, So. 378 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:59.039 Yeah, do you know I haven't I have been meaning to. 379 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:04.240 My wife loves it. She ended up rewatching the first 380 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:06.960 two seasons and then going right into the third one. Wow, 381 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.759 so she really likes it. But you know, what occurs 382 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.200 to me as we're talking about this, and maybe maybe 383 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.720 this doesn't apply specifically to the Bear, but just in general, 384 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:22.319 I'm kind of like, can we bring back twenty episode seasons? 385 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.079 You know, I would love I would like there for 386 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.359 it not to be an aversion to it. If a 387 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.640 show has twenty episodes, let it have twenty episodes. If 388 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.599 a show has six episodes, let it have six episodes, 389 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:37.799 I'd kind of like, and it seems that is the case, 390 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:39.920 I guess, but I'd like for there to be no rules, 391 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.519 like let the story be what it wants to be, right, 392 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:43.279 you know. 393 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.319 Yeah, I mean I think you know when you talk 394 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:52.240 about how there were certain episodes in the season that 395 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.480 struck you as, oh, you know, this is they're trying 396 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.119 to do some kind of a that gimmick. That's the 397 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:01.559 wrong word, but something something different, something off the beaten paths, right, 398 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.599 I'm like it would stick out less if there were 399 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:09.880 more regular episodes. I could see that, yeah, sure, Like 400 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:12.319 like I'll give an example. It's an imperfect analogy, but 401 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.640 like with you know, on Paramount Plus, they have the 402 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:19.599 Star Trek the Stranging Worlds show, right, which is something 403 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.119 in the mold of the original series and next generation 404 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.680 where it's kind of like your Planet of the Week show, right, right, right, 405 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.920 except each season is ten episodes, as opposed to those 406 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:31.759 shows at their peak where you were looking at you know, 407 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.680 between twenty four and twenty six. And so what happens 408 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:40.640 is like the most recent season you had one episode 409 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:47.720 where it was a musical episode. So some weird space 410 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:52.359 anomaly causes the crew members to start singing, right, that's fine, 411 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:54.799 it's quirky, it's fun. And then they had one where 412 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:58.200 it was like a crossover with the cartoon, the Lower 413 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:02.599 Decks cartoon show. Right, right, totally fine, quirky, it's fun, 414 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:06.559 it's different. But now it's like two quirky episodes out 415 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:11.240 of eight out of ten, right, And so I'm like, well, 416 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:14.480 I like having those, but I also don't like losing 417 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.200 like the the serious ones. 418 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:22.680 You know, maybe there's something to also something that's a 419 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.759 little more serialized, like Lost, a show like Lost, where 420 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.240 maybe that would have benefited from having more like sixteen 421 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:34.559 episode seasons. But when it's something that's more story of 422 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:38.359 the week or sitcomy or like The Simpsons or something 423 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.880 like that, then yeah, it'd be fun to have more. 424 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:44.880 Yeah, right, maybe that's what it is. 425 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like that's a good point though, that 426 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.440 the ones that disappoint you would stand out. 427 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:53.119 Less exactly, right, because it's like, oh, we got we 428 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.079 got a whole bunch of these, you know, I don't know, 429 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.480 I'm I'm I'm on this show. I've been stumping for 430 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.279 the traditional network model of television, which, for as flawed 431 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.559 as it was, It worked for a very long time 432 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:10.559 before streaming showed up and to a lesser extent cable 433 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:12.000 and I was like, no, we're gonna do it this 434 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.039 way instead, right, and everyone followed suit, you. 435 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.799 Know, Yeah, Well, who knows, maybe we'll be getting back 436 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:19.880 to that at some point. 437 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.519 Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. 438 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:24.759 Well, speaking of streaming, I watched one other thing that 439 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:29.200 I would thought i'd bring up, which is a Disney movie. 440 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.279 It was on Disney Plus. It's called Young Woman in 441 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.480 the Sea and it's starring Daisy Ridley. 442 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.079 Oh so this is the new Star Wars movie that 443 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:41.880 she's Yeah, yes, it's called Star Wars Young Woman in 444 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:42.240 the Sea. 445 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.880 Yeah. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it than 446 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:50.920 Star Wars. Basically, well, the plot is is from IMDb 447 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:55.200 says the story of competitive swimmer Gertrude Etterly, who in 448 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:57.599 nineteen twenty six was the first woman to ever swim 449 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:03.119 across the English Channel. And I saw this trailer in 450 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.640 the theater and I was like, huh, it looks kind 451 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:10.200 of old school, you know, it looks like sort of 452 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.920 like a Wonderful World of Disney kind of movie. And 453 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.400 I didn't think a lot about it. I was like, oh, 454 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.440 it looks nice, you know, And then I saw it 455 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:21.400 was getting these really amazing reviews and so much so 456 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.200 that I almost went to go see it in the theater. 457 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:25.160 I just wanted to. I just want to see something good. 458 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.480 It's something good that felt I didn't know. The story 459 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:29.640 felt a little old fashioned in a way that appealed 460 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.640 to me. And then I missed it. So shows up 461 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:35.400 on Disney Plus and I got to say, it's exactly 462 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:36.759 what I thought it was going to be. And I 463 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:39.359 mean that in the best way, Like it was very 464 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.799 reminiscent of like older Disney sports films, you know, sort 465 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.160 of like I mean like Wild Hearts Can't be Broken, 466 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.640 like those kind of old school things, and somewhat like 467 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.680 Remember the Titans, things like that. I say, Wild Hearts 468 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.960 Can't be Broken because it it's execution felt a little 469 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:01.440 simple at times, you know, taking place in the twenties, 470 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:05.000 there's a lot of emphasis on like, you know, girls 471 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:06.920 can't swim in a pool. They never have and they 472 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:11.200 never will, and you need that obviously to like for 473 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.440 the understand the world. But it gets to the point 474 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:16.200 where it almost gets repeated so many times it starts 475 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:17.920 to feel like walk hard or something, you know what 476 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.559 I mean, like paroting those types of movies about like 477 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.640 you know, girls have never crossed the sidewalk. They never 478 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:27.519 have and they never will, you know, like and so 479 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:30.680 so for that reason again, you need it. You need 480 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.480 that to understand what she's working against because it's so different, 481 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:36.480 well a lot different than the world we live in. 482 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.759 But it can occasionally make the film feel like it's 483 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:43.240 for a younger audience. So throwing that out there like 484 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:46.279 it does feel But I mean, I think that's kind 485 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:48.000 of nice. I mean, like how many family movies have 486 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.039 come out recently that aren't like something sort of chaotic 487 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:55.839 and goofy, like the Despicable Me movies or something like 488 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.480 this is just like a cool tale, a true story. 489 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:01.680 And by the end of it, I was like pumping 490 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:04.400 my fist, like I was really rooting for her. You know, 491 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:06.079 she has a lot that she's working against. You had 492 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.279 people who are working against her. And then of course 493 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.119 it's hard enough trying to swim the English channel. I mean, watch, 494 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.960 I'm a competent swimmer, I'm not a great swimmer, and 495 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.799 watching her swim against waves in the ocean for like 496 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:20.880 twenty plus hours, you're like, huh, this is insane. And 497 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:26.640 so yeah, they do a really good job of turning 498 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.559 into something where you understand the goal, you understand what's 499 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:31.640 against her at the finish line, and making it really 500 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:36.240 compelling for her to get there. And yeah, I was 501 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:37.799 I was like cheering when it was over. It's just 502 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.640 like a solid, feel good family film and I thought 503 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:42.680 it was worth recommend. 504 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:43.880 It's on Disney Plus. 505 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.119 On Disney Plus, people are looking for that. I think 506 00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:46.759 they'll enjoy it. 507 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:48.480 Well, there we go. 508 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.720 Yeah, and d z Ridley she's great, Like she has 509 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.920 this like sparkle or something, and I just I'm surprised 510 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.160 we don't see her in more things. Like she's very 511 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.640 you know, I don't know, she just exudes something. She's 512 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.160 very captivating and she's I enjoyed her a lot in 513 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:06.559 this and it made me think, like, wow, I'm just 514 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.039 surprised we don't see more of her. 515 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:13.039 Well hope hopefully. Well, first of all, it's smart Disney 516 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:14.200 to kind of keep her in the fold. 517 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:17.119 Oh yeah, definitely right. 518 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.880 And and you know, I suspect that if this ray 519 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:25.519 movie that they're working on performs, that that'll that'll kind 520 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:31.640 of uh, you know, broaden broaden her her options, one presumes. 521 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.960 Yeah, well, speaking of I mean, I'm rooting for that. 522 00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:36.119 I really want that movie to be awesome. But I 523 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.240 think you saw that the acle like got canceled, right, Yeah. 524 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:41.759 I did see that, not not terribly surprised, if I'm 525 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:42.359 being honest. 526 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:43.960 Yeah, did you finished it? 527 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.720 I did finish it. 528 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:47.279 It ended on a cliffhanger, right. 529 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:51.039 Well, it ended, yes, and no, I mean it ended. Yes, 530 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.799 it ended. Let me put this say, it ended at 531 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.960 a place where they could very well have been like, 532 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.240 and here's what happens next, But I think they also 533 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.920 ended at a place where like, that's where this story ends, 534 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:06.079 and something else could could pick up certain threads later. 535 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.160 Well that's good. I was feeling kind of bummed. I 536 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.680 was seeing obviously mixed reactions online because it's been mixed 537 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.400 reaction kind of show. But I was feeling bad for 538 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.359 the people that were invested if there was some story 539 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:18.400 hanging there. 540 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:24.599 I mean, ultimately, I am baffled by the idea that 541 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.039 you would spend one hundred and eighty million dollars on 542 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:28.920 a season of television. 543 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:30.519 Yeah. 544 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.240 Yeah, sure, it's insanity, right, So at that point you say, well, 545 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:40.240 you can't make something I was gonna say, that's this polarizing, 546 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.519 and that's almost unfair to this show because it's really 547 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.119 I don't think it is particularly polarizing, except that everything 548 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:50.200 now involved in Star Wars has become polarizing. Right. But 549 00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.279 I would say, just as a matter of course, I 550 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.519 just watching the show. I think it's well made, but 551 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.279 I don't really see that money on screen, So I 552 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:01.799 don't know. I don't know that you needed to do that, 553 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:05.359 and I think you're better off doing showing you can 554 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:09.200 do it for for less out of pocket, you know, 555 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.200 But it's weird. I greeted the news with kind of like, 556 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:18.440 all right, well, that's fine, Like it doesn't particularly affect 557 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.480 me because I wasn't I wasn't blown away by the show. 558 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.559 I thought it was fine, you know, but it has 559 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.519 been aggravating seeing sort of the victory dance from people. 560 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:32.599 Yeah sure, right, or it's. 561 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:34.440 Like, you know again, it's just and this is a 562 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:36.720 broken record at this point, like why does everything have 563 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:37.400 to be a thing? 564 00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:43.480 Yeah, No, for sure, I yeah, And I mean coming 565 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:47.279 at it from where I work and stuff, I look 566 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.400 at it as jobs, you know, in dreams, you know, 567 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.519 when that was someone's dream and like I it's even 568 00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.400 if I don't like something, I'm still sad to see 569 00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.160 it come to an end because it doesn't have to 570 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.759 be for me. But that's someone's dream, Those are people's jobs, 571 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.240 and that sucks. At the same time, it exists, and 572 00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.279 it's it's another thing on the shelf, the Star Wars shelf, 573 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:09.960 and it's always going to be there for people to 574 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:11.440 pick up when they they want to. 575 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.079 I definitely agree with that. And and you know the conversation. 576 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.359 What what really aggravates me the most is sort of 577 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.519 this this shorthand of oh, well they went woke and 578 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.640 that's why they went broke, you know. And and this 579 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.119 show in particular, I'm I'm just like, well, what's the 580 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.759 quote unquote woke here? The fact that it has people 581 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:35.960 of color in most of the primary roles, Like that's 582 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.920 so because I'm like, well so what right? Right right? 583 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:45.200 I'm like cool, right, Like so you know that there's 584 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:50.880 this this narrow casting of like, uh, the mere presence 585 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:57.599 of diversity is a call to arms, you know. 586 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.480 Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean I feel 587 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.759 like if a story is being contorted, you know, like 588 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.319 someone's trying to work with like one arm tied behind 589 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.200 their back for some sort of agenda. And I don't 590 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.240 even mean like a political or like a cultural or 591 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.839 any agenda, but just a studio agenda. This is just 592 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.359 like that's unfortunate when you can feel that. But it's like, yeah, 593 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.599 when you're complaining just because human beings are cast in 594 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.720 a show like that's not I don't know what are 595 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:25.240 we doing here? 596 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.200 Well, I saw somebody like in in the show, you know, 597 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.279 one of the Jedi that we see is a little 598 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.839 bit heavier set, and it was like, oh, this is 599 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.720 just like why are they having you know, Jedi are 600 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.240 allowed to be fat now, and this is just you know, 601 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.400 like yeah, oh be cause we have to accept all 602 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.680 kinds of people or whatever. And just like this is 603 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.960 truly the dumbest timeline we've wandered into, I know, I 604 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:53.759 mean you know what I mean, Like I cause I'm 605 00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:59.400 I'm just looking at it like, well, if if you're 606 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.240 a depth at the force, I don't think your body 607 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:08.480 type matters that you're just good at the force, right, 608 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.200 and and you know it's not like I mean, it's 609 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.240 just different. I don't know, I don't know, Brian no. 610 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.519 I well, you know, you know I'm on the same 611 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:16.079 page as you. 612 00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:19.960 I'm like, why are we doing this? You know, And 613 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.200 we talked about this a little while ago, like, you know, 614 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.359 Kiyati Monday, the show says he was born here, and 615 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.440 previous Cannon said he was born here. And suddenly the 616 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.359 you know, it's like the Jedi Arena in an episode two, 617 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.599 it's all these Kiyati Monday fans coming out of the wood. 618 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.119 We're like how, And I'm like, you people did not 619 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:43.359 exist like a month ago, you know. 620 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:48.359 Yeah, man, I mean it's going to be difficult when 621 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.119 they're trying to figure out their steps forward, you know, 622 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:56.279 like it's been challenging figuring out what to do post 623 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.240 the films, but also you just know people already have 624 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:03.119 their knives out no matter what you're doing. 625 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.480 Well well to that point, because you and I discussed 626 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:11.279 the trailer for the Mandalorian film. 627 00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:13.480 Yeah, I couldn't remember if that was on air or not. 628 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:18.000 We texted about it, okay, yeah, yeah, But I mean, 629 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.839 you know, they haven't released an official thing, but there's 630 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.519 pictures and stuff that have sort of broken right, and 631 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.880 just in terms of I mean not having seen the trailer, 632 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.440 but just as a concept, right, We're like, well, what 633 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.440 is this movie gonna play? Mm hmmm, I think that's 634 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:34.680 the big question, right. 635 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:39.759 Well, yeah, I mean if you were to put out 636 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.880 a new I know people hate this, but I just 637 00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.359 for whatever, like a new Skywalker film, let's say it, 638 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.319 like or Star Wars eight or whatever you want to 639 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.440 call it, you can have a certain expectation of what, 640 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:51.920 you know, how many people are going to show. 641 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:52.119 Up for that. 642 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.599 Yeah, this feels to me for the first time kind 643 00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:00.200 of uncharted territory. Well maybe Rogue one, but right, this 644 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.799 feels a little different, and it'll will be an interesting 645 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.279 experiment to see what the audience is like for this. 646 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.359 Yeah. I think that what it has working in its 647 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.000 favor is the fact that it has been so long 648 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.200 now since the last movie. 649 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.160 Yeah, yeah, for sure, right. 650 00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:21.400 Because because it's due out when is it due to 651 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.680 actually next summer? I think right next next summer? Okay, 652 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:28.839 So so yeah, we'd be looking at what six years 653 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:33.480 since the last movie? Wow? Yeah, you know, so maybe 654 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:37.799 that'll help, Maybe maybe that will help find an audience. Uh. 655 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.160 In the meantime, real quick, just wanted to mention, h 656 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.799 I have begun my umpteenth rewatch of the West Wing. 657 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:46.880 Oh really okay? 658 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.599 Uh, And I was I was moved to do this 659 00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:53.559 because of this new book that I've been well, I've 660 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.240 been listening to it but via audiobook, but it's a 661 00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.359 book book also, uh. And it's called What's Next. And 662 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.279 it's by Melissa Fitzgerald and Mary McCormick, who were both 663 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.920 actors on The West Wing. And this is basically the 664 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.360 definitive oral history of the series. 665 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:11.440 Okay. 666 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.480 And for any fan of the show, which I suspect 667 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.480 some of the people listening are are fans, it's just 668 00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.159 it's it's it is just a love letter to the show, 669 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.719 and it really you know, some of the stories are known, 670 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.440 some are less known, but just to really to get 671 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:31.000 into the perspectives of the people involved. Again that you 672 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:34.400 already know this, but but The West Wing is my 673 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:41.320 favorite TV show of all time, and so every it 674 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.760 ends up being like every presidential election year, I end 675 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:48.400 up rewatching it, yep. And I love it every single time. 676 00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.079 And I love it for so many different reasons, but 677 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:57.880 foremost among them being the way it presents public service 678 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:02.480 as a as an inherent good. This is something worth doing, right. 679 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.000 So we have so many cynical shows about politics, about 680 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:11.760 our politics, whether the the doufest angle like Veep or 681 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.039 the sinister angle like House of Cards, whatever, And here's 682 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:19.480 the show that says, no, this is something that's possible. 683 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:25.320 You can have decent people going into politics to genuinely 684 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.440 help people. M h. And maybe that is sci. 685 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.639 Fi, sure, or aspirational. 686 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:38.159 Aspirational, absolutely, you know, but that's why I keep going 687 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:38.920 back to that show. 688 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.400 Yeah, man, I've I've got to get to it. That 689 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.559 And Sean was telling me about Friday Night Lights again. 690 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.320 He's like, you're oh sure, sure, yeah, absolutely, and kind 691 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:53.360 of similar vein, you know, sure pointing to our best selves, 692 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.679 you know, like, I know, I know for sure, Well, 693 00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.119 Friday Night Lights, I know for sure you're gonna you're 694 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.599 gonna adore that show. Sure, but I believe you'd. Hey, 695 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:07.320 Frederica likes west Wing, Yeah, I know, I know. Between 696 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.000 the two of us, I figured we can we can 697 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:09.920 nudge you, you. 698 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.519 Know, yeah, exactly. 699 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.360 But but the audiobook is terrific, and I suspect that 700 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.519 that the book book is is just as good. And 701 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:20.880 I just wanted to throw out a recommendation for that 702 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.960 nice that that other book I was telling you about 703 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.920 last time. The future was now. Yes, that ended up 704 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:32.840 being like my Chicago trip, listening for the whole and 705 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.599 it was me and my son. We ended up listening 706 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:39.920 to the whole book. Man, dude, you will, you will 707 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:41.239 for sure love it. 708 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.400 Okay, okay, I'll check it out. 709 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.039 I mean, it's crazy to think about how Summer of 710 00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:54.960 eighty two, just these these incredibly influential films were all 711 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.800 crammed into this eight week period, just one on top 712 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:03.800 of the other. Yeah, right, I mean, obviously E. T 713 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.800 was at the top of the heat, but like Blade 714 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.559 Runner and The Thing and Conan the Barbarians Star Trek 715 00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:13.119 two and Da Da Da d dau Tron you know, 716 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.519 and every what. This is the point that the book makes. 717 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.960 Every single one of those films except one, has been 718 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:27.559 sequelized or remade or continued in some form in the 719 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.760 forty two years since, right, right right, And obviously the 720 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.000 only one that has not is well you tell me, 721 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.039 Brian E T. E T. 722 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:41.360 Because oh Spielberg is making another UFO movie. So fingers 723 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.239 crossed fingers. 724 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.880 But absolutely worth worth the worth the reader, worth the listen. 725 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.039 However you consume your books, I know you'll, you'll, absolutely 726 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:55.679 you'll just devour it. 727 00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:57.400 Okay, I'll definitely check it out. 728 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.480 Yeah, but hey, let's take short break and we'll come 729 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:13.159 back with some listener letters. And we're back, and hey, 730 00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.519 we got some notes in the old mail bag. 731 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:16.920 Brian, great, I love it. 732 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:20.199 Yeah, here's one we got from Adamo, who says, Hi, guys, 733 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.440 it was so much fun to listen to the commentary 734 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.960 on Twister, and then your review of Twisters, and hearing 735 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.840 Sean gush about how much he loves the original movie. 736 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.320 My son also a Sean and I took a long 737 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.599 weekend road trip last summer to Wakita to the Twister 738 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.960 Movie Museum, and even made a side quest a bit 739 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.039 further east to Call Lake, where the Cow's scene was filmed. 740 00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.440 We're planning a trip back in twenty six for the 741 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.719 thirtieth anniversary. They're already making plans for a big event 742 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.599 in the museum. They have a graphic of the VP 743 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.280 that Stormchasers did across the region in memorial to Bill Paxton. 744 00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.119 It was awesome to hear Sean mention it. I admit 745 00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.800 I got a lump in my throat with Twisters. I 746 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.039 had such a great time. Glad you guys did too, 747 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:06.119 Even though I hate Clen Powell. Geez dude, geez dude, 748 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:10.280 save some good looks for the rest of us. I 749 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.519 kind of agree with that. Actually. As for the other 750 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.039 little art film that you covered recently, I can't believe 751 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.679 you forgot to mention the real star of Deadpool and Wolverine, 752 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:23.679 Peggy aka dog Pool stole the show and man Ryan 753 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.199 Reynolds let her go all in with that tongue action. 754 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:28.239 Yeah. 755 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.000 Hearing Zachie break down all the Wolverine variants that I 756 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:32.760 knew when I saw the movie was so much fun. 757 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.239 Only a true eighties nineties era comic geek would really 758 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.119 appreciate all of those. That's right, So you can see 759 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:47.000 yourself out. Brian having Wesley Snipes come back as spoiler 760 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.000 alert Blade, He's now the longest tenured Marvel character in movies. 761 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:52.599 I was actually thinking about that. As soon as he 762 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.960 showed up. I was like, boom, got himself a Guinness record. 763 00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.239 Wow. Yeah, he says. 764 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.039 I saw the first the day before I went to 765 00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:04.079 basic training, which means I'm, uh, well, we don't need 766 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:08.719 to talk about that. Best wishes is always adam. Uh Yeah, 767 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.559 you know. I watched the first Blade opening night in 768 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:16.880 the theater. I always picture those as two thousands movies. 769 00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:22.079 That was ninety eight first, and I can I can 770 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.920 attest to the fact that nobody was taking that movie 771 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:27.480 seriously from the trailers. 772 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.679 I kind of remember that, like it wasn't something I 773 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:31.880 felt like I had to go see. 774 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:36.280 Yeah, yeah, I mean, And and in fact, even even 775 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.800 the Marvel people were trying to distance themselves from it. 776 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.840 Were you familiar with the comic or the character. I 777 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:43.239 guess I was familiar. 778 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.119 With the character. Yeah, I mean in an abstract sense. 779 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.400 I mean, the movie largely reinvented him because he was 780 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.840 such a blank slate MM like he was introduced. There 781 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:55.760 was a comic book in the in the in the 782 00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.360 seventies called Tomb of Dracula, and it's about Dracula in 783 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.239 the Marvel universe. And it's a terrific comic series. It's 784 00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.880 about this group of vampire hunters in the modern day 785 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:11.559 who are trying to defeat Dracula, and it's you know, 786 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.239 it's just it's like a drama series set within the 787 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:19.360 Marvel universe. In fact, if you go into the Nostalgia 788 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.599 Theater podcast archives, I interviewed Glenn Greenberg about Dracula in general, 789 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.599 but we specifically got into that comic book because he 790 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:28.920 was such a big fan of that book that he 791 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.480 in the late nineties he got to write a Dracula 792 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.800 mini series from Marvel that was kind of a sequel 793 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:34.719 to that book. 794 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:35.800 That's cool. 795 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.679 But regardless, Blade was introduced in that book as part 796 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.440 of that ensemble. Okay, and we're talking mid seventies, so 797 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.320 it's like Shaft as a vampire. 798 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:51.199 Hunter, right right, right, sure, sure, you. 799 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:52.920 Know what I mean. He's a big afro. He had 800 00:41:52.920 --> 00:42:00.480 the leather jacket and steaks, you know, and so very 801 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.599 bare framework there that they then took an entirely different 802 00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:07.840 direction in the film, and that's what became the definitive version. 803 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.639 So the whole idea that he's a half man, half 804 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.880 vampire all that the movie did. That Oh interesting, that 805 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.679 wasn't the comic. The comics like ret conned that in 806 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:22.039 after the movie, but the movie was. And that's what 807 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:24.199 sort of if if we have, if you were to 808 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.960 list like certain characteristics of Blade, that would be like 809 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.719 one of the main things you say, right, you know, I. 810 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:34.880 Got to check those out. Sometimes I still haven't seen them, so. 811 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.440 Oh you've seen none of them. No, oh yeah, hey, 812 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.480 well I suspect. I mean, come on, assuming the MCU 813 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.000 Blade ever gets released, I feel like we'll probably comment 814 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:47.760 arry our way through the first time. 815 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.800 I feel like it's something I would enjoy right now, 816 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.199 I think, so I agree. I have to mention by 817 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.760 the way too. He referenced the Wikita Twister Museum. 818 00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:57.400 Yeah. 819 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.840 Yeah, and you know, obviously Sean, being the Twister head 820 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.199 that he is, I was like, we passed through Oklahoma 821 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:06.639 and I was like, are we are we gonna check 822 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:08.039 it out? And He's like, oh, already looked into it. 823 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.679 It's like three hours off course. I was like, ah, 824 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.400 I was really hoping we'd get to I'm scious, what's there? 825 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.920 You know, I was hoping to glimpse it, But yeah, 826 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.159 not writing it off sometime in the future. 827 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:26.679 One of these days. Here's another note we got from 828 00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.599 Stephen Club, and this is in reference to our commentary 829 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:34.960 track for Terminator Salvation. M I don't hear what this 830 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.480 he says this is, and I fully agree with this sentiment. 831 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.400 He says, sometimes backstory should remain backstory. He says, pretty 832 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.239 much the entire movie. I wondered how the Terminators couldn't 833 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:52.719 crush humanity like a bug. They were so overpowered in 834 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.480 Salvation specifically, that humanity didn't stand a chance, no matter 835 00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:01.679 how good John Connor was at making pipe bombs. It's 836 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.960 one thing to say humanity one. It's quite another to 837 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.119 show them being outnumbered, outmatched, and outclassed. 838 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.440 It's a great point, it right, Yeah, I. 839 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.719 Mean this kind of gets to what I've said in 840 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.079 our track, where it's like the little snippets we got 841 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:24.039 of the future war were more interesting than setting a movie, 842 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.800 an entire movie within it. 843 00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:30.559 Mm hm, you know, yeah, I mean, it's just fascinating, 844 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:34.679 mysterious backstory in the first film, this is the world 845 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.360 that person comes from. That's why it matters. But now 846 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.440 we are in nineteen eighty four and the mission must 847 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:43.639 be completed. But yeah, when you really dig into it, 848 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.159 you open up a whole can of worms of questions. 849 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.599 And I'm not saying this there can't be a version 850 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.400 that is good in the future, but if you don't 851 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.360 do it well enough, then yes, you start to have 852 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.360 those questions crop up. 853 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.000 Well, it gets to just the inherent problem with prequel 854 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.360 all the time, which is again, as you said, not 855 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.920 to say you can't have a good prequel. But fundamentally, 856 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.360 the question you have to lick is, well, if this 857 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.519 was important enough to tell, it would have already been 858 00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:19.000 told the first time, Like everything everything you need should 859 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.360 already be in the first movie. And by the way, 860 00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.800 you know, it's funny. I was having this conversation in 861 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.800 a broad sense with my students, and I was like, like, 862 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.679 what are what are I was like, I'm making a case. 863 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.639 I was like, I don't think most prequels are necessary, 864 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.440 and handshot up, well, what about the Star Wars prequels? 865 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.559 And I said, well, I know y'all grew up with them. 866 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:40.840 I'm just gonna go out on a lim and say 867 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:45.480 they weren't necessary, right, right, right, and and the slack 868 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.599 jawed you know responses I got, But I still feel that, right, 869 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.360 I don't at this point their grandfathered in. I don't 870 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:58.079 mind them. But fundamentally, I lived twenty two years. No, well, 871 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.920 I personally did not. I lived twenty yours without any 872 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.960 Star Wars prequels, but the world lived for twenty two 873 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.920 years about Star Wars prequels yep. And and we did 874 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.559 just fine. Right. 875 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.440 I love that though. That's so interesting from people that 876 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.760 they only know a world that exists with them. They're 877 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:18.599 part of the story for them. 878 00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.960 It's like, well, how can you know Anakin turned bad 879 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.920 if you don't see him turn bad? And it's like, well, 880 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.079 we used to our imagination son, this magical thing. 881 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:30.079 I love it. 882 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.199 Here's another comment we got from Jeffrey Meisner, also in 883 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.519 reference to our term in your Salvation commentary, he says, 884 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.840 I think this was the funniest commentary track yet. I 885 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.280 can't wait for Genesis and Dark Fate, which isn't something 886 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:45.159 I thought i'd say. 887 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.239 Again, that's funny, now, thank you. 888 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.639 I had such a blast talking through that movie with you. 889 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.679 Me too, Me too. It was fun, I'd said weeks ago. 890 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.239 I just wanted to go back because I watched every 891 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:06.039 Terminator sequel once dismissed it and moved on with my life. Yeah, 892 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:07.719 but I kind of wanted to give them another shake 893 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.719 when I wasn't judging them so harshly, you know, Opening Night, 894 00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:14.360 And it was really fun looking at the pluses and 895 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.079 minuses and talking through them with you. 896 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.360 So have you Have you watched Genesis and Dark Fate again? 897 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.159 No, but I really do intend to. 898 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.599 Yeah. Yeah, well hey, just just wait, wait a little 899 00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.239 while and you know we'll get to it for our 900 00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:27.920 commentary track. 901 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:28.440 Yeah. 902 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.440 Yeah, I feel like this has become kind of like 903 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:33.079 a late summer thing. 904 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:36.159 Now, our Terminator commentaries. 905 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:41.360 Yeah, it's like for the next couple summers at least. Yeah. 906 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.280 I just I remember little bits of them. That's the 907 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.480 That's why I'm excited to go back. I'm excited to 908 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.639 remember what the stories actually are and like the leaps 909 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.000 they take, and I just remember. I feel like I 910 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:57.320 can picture what's her name from Game of Thrones, Amelia Clark, Yeah, 911 00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:01.119 calling the terminator Pops or something. H that's a memory 912 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:01.360 I have. 913 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:02.840 Yeah, I don't. 914 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:04.280 I don't really remember the movie. 915 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.519 Uh well I will get there eventually. 916 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.519 Ye who you interviewed? By the way, remember that I did. 917 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.079 I think I think we put her interview on the show. 918 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:21.039 If I'm not mistaken, fairly certain it seriously I've done. 919 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.920 I've done plenty of long form interviews. I've done plenty 920 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:29.880 of junkets. That interview with the Millia Clark probably, if 921 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:31.880 not my favorite, in like my top three. 922 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.159 Wow, she was so. 923 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.519 Sweet and and I I just started out by saying, well, 924 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:40.480 we had a conversation about the movie. It was it 925 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:47.760 was me before you and and she was like, uh, 926 00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.079 you know, very gregarious about that film. And then I 927 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.800 ended with, hey, I have a Game of Thrones question, 928 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:55.920 and she's like okay, And I was like, I should 929 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.239 preface this by saying I've never seen the show, and 930 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.880 she was just did by that. You know, that's great, 931 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:05.880 very very sweet. So I'll always have an affinity for her, 932 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.280 even though I've still yet to see yet to see 933 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:08.960 Game of Thrones. 934 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:12.199 Yeah, yeah, i'd I'd be curious. I'd be curious how 935 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:12.719 holds up. 936 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.599 It's funny, you know when when we were in Chicago, 937 00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:18.920 you know, my my my son, his name is Mikyle, 938 00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.480 and he was he was telling his he was telling 939 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.800 my cousin. He's like, oh, you know, if I'm around 940 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:31.159 like like regular folks aka white people, uh, I just 941 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.079 say call me Michael, right. And I was like, well, dude, 942 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.960 come on, man, you got a unique names, go for it. 943 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.360 And my my cousin I love that. He's like, hey, listen, man, 944 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:46.960 if white people can say Denaris Targarian, they can say Mica. 945 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:46.440 Bravo. 946 00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:59.559 It's like I ca'ah pretty much, you know, yeah, but hey, 947 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:01.920 let's it's take another short break we got some headlines. 948 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.360 All right, well we're we are back, and here's some 949 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.159 good news for the I'm going to say the eight 950 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.599 or ten people who are interested. But Horizon and American 951 00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:25.000 Saga Chapter one is now streaming on Max. 952 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.960 There you go. This is it for everybody who was like, wow, 953 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.679 wait you know, oh it should have been a series whatever, Well, 954 00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.159 there it is. I'm actually very curious to read a 955 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:36.880 little more discourse about this movie. 956 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.199 Now I've taken this on. This is like my charity 957 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:49.679 right now is to help multi millionaire Kevin Costner have 958 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.079 his little passion project. 959 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:53.199 Succeed, right right. 960 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:56.920 I'm still no date, by the way. 961 00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.800 For part two, but it is going to debut at 962 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:00.760 a Fear festival, isn't it. 963 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:03.360 Yeah, but out of competition. 964 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.440 Yeah, But I mean it exists. It's mixed, it's you 965 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.760 know what I mean, it's printed or downloaded onto some 966 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:12.320 sort of DCP or something. You know what I mean. 967 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:17.440 It exists. So I would love to see it. I 968 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.280 really would. I mean, I you know, we were sort 969 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.679 of we're both positive. You were more positive. I was 970 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.639 like positive, and I'm ready for the next thing, so 971 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.159 I can feel like I have a more complete sense 972 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.079 of what the story is. Yeah, so I'm ready. Yeah, 973 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:33.920 I hope people discover it here and then I hope 974 00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:36.280 the second one there's a demand for it, you know. 975 00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.880 I mean just just selfishly at this point, I want 976 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.880 to be able to justify the three hours that I've 977 00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:43.840 put in thus far. 978 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:45.519 Sure, yeah, totally. 979 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.159 That's really because because three hours. See this is not 980 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.360 like the Acolyte, right, because the Acolyte ended and I'm like, 981 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:53.840 all right, well that's the end, and that's why this 982 00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.440 I'm like, no, no, no, this is we're in the 983 00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:57.920 middle of the beginning. 984 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.599 Right, Yes, definitely, you know, I need. 985 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:04.119 I need something. I need I need some closure of something. 986 00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:08.679 Arcs have begun, but there have not been any wrap 987 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:10.119 ups or conclusions to anything. 988 00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.320 That's right, Yeah, where it goes, So just just give us, 989 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:17.960 just give us that. Come on, come on. It's like 990 00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.119 we're like that the s n L. You know where 991 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:27.199 we're with Chris Farley is he's a good boy. Just 992 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:32.360 let him finish his movie, Kevin Coss' movie. Let me 993 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:43.440 finish come see part two and three. Let him finish it. Hey. 994 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.719 Speaking of passion projects that are that are shrouded in controversy, 995 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:53.159 here's something interesting. So Megalopolis, which I have trouble saying 996 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:56.639 that title. It sounds like a made up name. Yes, 997 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.920 but it is in fact Francis Coppola's next project, possibly 998 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.000 his like filmmaking Swan Song. 999 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.400 Possibly. I mean this has been a long time coming too. 1000 00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:09.679 I mean this is yeah, like you said, Passion project, 1001 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:15.079 there's been years in the making his Vineyards, Yeah, to 1002 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:16.400 make this thing. That's how much he wanted. 1003 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:19.960 He's paid out of pocket to make this sci fi 1004 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.880 epic starring Adam Driver. So so this one is due 1005 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:28.039 out when Brian like in September, I think, okay, so 1006 00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:31.280 it's it's coming up. So lions Gate, which is distributing it, 1007 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.079 had a little bit of a snaff foo earlier this 1008 00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:36.360 week because they put out an ad now the Now 1009 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:40.280 The The The thinking behind the ad was, Hey, we're 1010 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:43.239 gonna I'm guessing they're looking at this movie and they're like, God, 1011 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:47.079 this thing is kind of kind of I'm guessing I've 1012 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:48.920 not any seen it. They're like, this is gonna be 1013 00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:52.480 hard to market. That's the because it's esoteric and whatever. 1014 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.000 Just based on the trailer and and the reactions out 1015 00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:57.039 of can or wherever it played. Ye so so they 1016 00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:02.679 put out a trailer where they have quotes from famous 1017 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:10.800 critics who were dismissive of Coppola's previous masterpieces. And so 1018 00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:16.800 you have, you know, Roger Ebert saying Bram Stoker's Dracula 1019 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.639 is no good, and you have Pauline Kle saying The 1020 00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:23.360 Godfather's no good or whatever it was. And so that 1021 00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:25.480 that gets put out there, and that's it, and then 1022 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:28.719 it turns out and this is done with a little 1023 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:31.440 bit of digging. I think I think Bill J. Eberley, 1024 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:36.760 who was the first person who noticed this, I realized 1025 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.199 that the quotes were fabricated. 1026 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:42.239 Yeah. He I think it was as easy as he 1027 00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.800 took those quotes, put them into Google and they did 1028 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:48.400 not turn up. He checked out the reviews by Pauline 1029 00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.480 Kle for The Godfather and those quotes were not included. 1030 00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:58.079 And apparently it gets more interesting, those quotes were in 1031 00:54:58.119 --> 00:54:59.760 fact AI generated. 1032 00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:01.840 Oh I didn't even know that part. 1033 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:07.239 Yeah. This is as of just earlier today in Variety 1034 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.199 it says your Lionsgate has parted ways with Eddie Egan, 1035 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.400 the marketing consultant who came up with the Megalopolis trailer 1036 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:20.000 that included fake quotes from famous film critics. Studio pulled 1037 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.159 the trailer on Wednesday after it was pointed out that 1038 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.840 the quotes trashing Francis Ford coplas previous work did not 1039 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:27.960 actually appear in the critics reviews and were in fact 1040 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:33.519 made up. Let's see where's the bit here, Yeah, it's 1041 00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:36.320 a For instance, the trailer claimed that Pauline Cale wrote 1042 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.119 in The New Yorker that The Godfather was quote diminished 1043 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.880 by its artsiness. Kale in fact loved the movie. Listen. 1044 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.360 When Variety prompted AI service chat GPT to provide negative 1045 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.760 criticism about copelists work from well known reviewers, the responses 1046 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:56.400 provided were strikingly similar to the quotes included in the trailer. Wow, 1047 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.239 so chat GPT is something I'm having to do with 1048 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:01.599 as a college professor. 1049 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.000 I can't even imagine. I really can't. I mean, people 1050 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.239 turning in papers to you, like, how in the world 1051 00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:08.760 do you know? 1052 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.599 I at this point it's I mean, I'm swimming against 1053 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.679 the tide. It's so so so hard, you know. So 1054 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:19.719 I what I this is just I Mean, what I've 1055 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:21.920 tried to do as an instructor is try to minimize 1056 00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:27.559 the amount of subjective work and instead lean more heavily 1057 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.039 on objective assessment quizzes and things like that. 1058 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:33.960 Where are we headed with Hechy? 1059 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.079 I mean, yeah, it's like you know, I mean, I 1060 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.920 still have like essays and stuff, but what I've tried 1061 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:44.199 to do is narrow cast my own prompt to sort 1062 00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:48.599 of to put the focus on give me your thoughts, 1063 00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:51.000 give me your like, what's your interpretation of this? And 1064 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.440 just you know, there's no right or wrong necessarily, but 1065 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.400 I just want to see that you've given it some thought, 1066 00:56:56.559 --> 00:57:00.519 you know, and that's something that chat GPT can'tssssarily do 1067 00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:04.719 for you. But it's hard, you know. Yeah, And I 1068 00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:06.559 don't know what the film is about, but I'm sure 1069 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.840 it would be the irony of ironies if that, If 1070 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.239 it too is something about the encroachment of AI. 1071 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:16.519 Action, that would be But I mean, you know, it's 1072 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:18.559 funny because I was, like I said, on the road, 1073 00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:20.559 and I wasn't able to keep up with news the 1074 00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:24.079 same way. But I saw this story unfold as headlines 1075 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.559 where it was like new Megalapolis trailer, you know, Megalapolis 1076 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:34.000 trailer bold, and it's using negative quotes to bolster itself, 1077 00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.280 and it's like Megalapolis trailer under scrutiny. It's like, you know, 1078 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.440 Lionsgate apologizes, Like just watching the story through headlines throughout 1079 00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:43.400 the day, it was kind of funn yeah, but I mean, 1080 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.119 how hard would it have been to find a negative 1081 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.320 quote about any of those movies? Just one quote? Like 1082 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:51.239 and why attribute it to some of the most famous 1083 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:52.239 film critics of all. 1084 00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:57.039 Time who are gone right? Yeah, you know, And that's 1085 00:57:57.320 --> 00:57:59.679 that was the weird thing because I watched the trailer 1086 00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:03.360 and I didn't. I'd love to say I was like, well, 1087 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:05.599 those aren't real quotes. I didn't, but I was definitely 1088 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:07.679 it pricked me a little bit because I was like, 1089 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.719 I don't think Pauline Kill hated The Godfather. I feel 1090 00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:13.239 like I would remember that. So I was like, oh, 1091 00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:16.400 they're probably pulling like one phrase out of context to 1092 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.320 make it sound like she hated it. That was my assumption, right, 1093 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:25.119 I didn't think they were chat gpting that bitch the trick, 1094 00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:26.840 yeah bitch, I mean the trailer. 1095 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.119 Yeah. Well, and we should say also that the trailer 1096 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:33.559 was narrated by Laurence Fishburne, which is he in the movie. 1097 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.079 I don't knew, but I mean he goes all the 1098 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:38.320 way back to Apocalypse now right with Coppola. 1099 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:40.280 That's right. I forgot about that. 1100 00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:43.719 Yeah. So I mean, I mean just hearing his voice. Man, 1101 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.719 he's an actor. But there was just this air of 1102 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.679 authenticity or you know what I mean, like I gave 1103 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.079 it this sort of feeling of I don't know, I 1104 00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:56.840 definitely get the vibe they were going for. It could 1105 00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.320 have almost worked. It just was too bad they had 1106 00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.400 to not only lie, but like they got caught so quickly, 1107 00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:03.800 you know what I mean. It wasn't even a very 1108 00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.960 it was really checked. Lie. 1109 00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:11.960 That's embarrassing. Yeah, I mean it's it's literally and me. 1110 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.320 We're talking about chat GPT. I mean, because I've gotten 1111 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:19.280 essays that were clearly AI generated, and you know, I 1112 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.840 checked the sources and I'm like, this source doesn't exist. 1113 00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:24.679 Mmmm, oh it makes up sources. 1114 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:26.039 Oh sure. Yeah. 1115 00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:28.440 I've never I'm gonna be honest, I've never really used it. 1116 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.960 I think I went on there once like as an experiment, 1117 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:33.880 Like you you did this really funny thing where you 1118 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.840 were like, give me the plot to the Fugitive too, 1119 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.599 that's right, you know, and you were sending me all 1120 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:40.920 these things, and so I went in there and it 1121 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:42.719 was just like, what would happen if, like, you know, 1122 00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.599 Gumby married you know, MS Piggy or something like. I 1123 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.239 don't know, like I don't even know where that came 1124 00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:49.719 from right now, but I don't know. 1125 00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:50.880 We're learning all kinds of things. 1126 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:54.039 I actually have a Gumby on my desk, so I 1127 00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:59.599 was like Gumby, but I've never tried it for anything serious. 1128 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:04.880 So when you're reading a chat GPT generated essay, I mean, 1129 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:08.159 is it immediately obvious, like is there turns of phrases 1130 01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:11.280 or does it sound kind of sterile and robotic? 1131 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:18.760 There? There are certain there are certain red flags, but 1132 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:22.719 here's the reality. I mean, I mean it just the 1133 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:27.360 ground is shifting under our feet, right, So you have 1134 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:31.199 things like grammarly and whatever that everybody uses now to 1135 01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:34.199 check their writing, right sure, And so I mean it's 1136 01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:38.719 it's harder and harder because because you can't just pull 1137 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:40.280 somebody aside and be like, hey, I know you had 1138 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:43.599 AI do this, because because you just don't know. You 1139 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:47.320 don't you know if you're gonna if you're gonna come 1140 01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:49.800 out with the accusation like that, you better be completely 1141 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.320 buttoned down, and you just can't be yeah, you know, so, 1142 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.400 I mean this is like we're just going off on 1143 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:58.440 this tangent. But you know, I think as an instructor, 1144 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:03.000 what I'm struggling with is finding a way to incorporate 1145 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:07.800 AI and say, you know, maybe find a way to say, hey, 1146 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:09.480 use it, but use it the right way. 1147 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:13.719 I think that feels that makes sense to me, Like 1148 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:15.199 it's hard. I mean, we're not getting rid of it. 1149 01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.840 So if you can find out a way to continue 1150 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.159 to help them to expand themselves, yeah, while using it, 1151 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.360 that seems forward thinking to me. 1152 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:27.440 Yeah. Look, I think and I mean I'm lucky because 1153 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:29.920 it's not like I'm teaching English Lit or something where 1154 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.719 people are write really advanced type stuff. I can be like, hey, 1155 01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:35.159 what'd you think of this movie? And I'm like this, 1156 01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:36.760 and I can just be like hey, and I want 1157 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:38.000 to hear from you. I don't really care what tu 1158 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:39.360 GPT has to say, you know. 1159 01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:40.239 But. 1160 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:47.679 Fundamentally this is I mean, it's orders a magnitude of difference, 1161 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:52.199 but it's a similar place to like Wikipedia, where when 1162 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.599 it first started, you know, it's like, oh, don't use Wikipedia, right, 1163 01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.239 and I've said it for a while, I'm like, look, 1164 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:01.159 I could say don't use Wikipedia. I know you're going 1165 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.440 to use it anyway, but there's a way to use it, right, 1166 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:06.639 and there's a there are best practices, and so I 1167 01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:08.679 think with chatch GPD is just a matter of figuring out, well, 1168 01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:11.280 what are the best practices here? You know, right right? 1169 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:12.639 Interesting? 1170 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:16.000 Yeah, yeah, as it pertains to the Megalopolis trailer is 1171 01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:18.519 kind of funny because because Lionsgate said that they pulled it, 1172 01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:22.559 but I guess it made it to a few prints 1173 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:26.079 of the crow, which okay, and so I know I 1174 01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:28.239 saw pictures of people who went to see the crow 1175 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.239 last night. They had pictures of the of the Megalopolis 1176 01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:35.599 trailer with the with the faulty quote quote quote attributions. 1177 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:37.920 Funny. I mean, yeah, I was worried I was going 1178 01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:39.920 to miss it for that reason, like I wanted to 1179 01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:42.480 see it, but it was very easy to find. So yes, 1180 01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:43.480 still out there. 1181 01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:46.400 Uh well actually, well while we're talking about the crow, 1182 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:51.119 I mean, neither of us has seen it, but holy crap, 1183 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:55.519 like right, it feels like people just kind of lined 1184 01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:57.000 up to take a whack at this thing. 1185 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:03.679 Yeah, yeah, I yeah. I frequent Reddit user and one 1186 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:06.639 of the reddits I've subscribed to is like movie, you know, 1187 01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.440 spoiler review or like non spoiler review sort of thing, 1188 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.599 And so every week when something comes out, I'm curious 1189 01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.159 to look at the non spoiler thing, and man, yeah, 1190 01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:18.599 everybody was well taking a whack at it. This one is, 1191 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:20.840 you know, the thing that I had read. I can't 1192 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:22.800 back this up. I haven't seen it. But apparently he 1193 01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:26.280 doesn't really even become like the Crow or act out 1194 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.039 as the Crow until like the third act. 1195 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.800 Of the film. Seems like a problem. 1196 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:33.840 What what are we doing here? 1197 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:38.039 You know? See? What strikes me is that this is 1198 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:42.920 a film that, certainly, for the entire life of our podcast, 1199 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.239 has been in some stage of development. 1200 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:48.519 Yeah long time, A long time. 1201 01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:50.760 I mean since the mid two thousands, and at one 1202 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:55.400 point Bradley Cooper was attached. Yeah, Jason Momoa, I'm sure 1203 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.519 other people I'm forgetting. I mean, they've been trying to 1204 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.840 get this thing going for a while. I've been absolutely 1205 01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:03.480 consistent in saying, why on earth do you need to 1206 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:07.800 remake this movie? If nothing, if for no other reason, 1207 01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:13.000 then the the tragedy behind that original film is something 1208 01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:18.079 that should let it stand apart forever. You know. Yeah, 1209 01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:19.960 by the way, there is the braindon Lee film. 1210 01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:21.880 Wait say that again? 1211 01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:23.079 It still holds up? 1212 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:25.559 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean yeah, they got 1213 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:28.960 it right the first time. Everything about it, I mean, 1214 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:32.760 the soundtrack is iconic, the look of it is iconic, 1215 01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.719 you know, the makeup and everything. I mean, And to 1216 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:37.880 be fair, they've made sequels. They had a. 1217 01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:39.480 TV series that pretty bad. 1218 01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:45.719 Yeah, but I can understand it, Like it's an iconic visual, 1219 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:50.239 that character. So in the age of nothing but ips 1220 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:53.079 being made, it makes sense to want to try to 1221 01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:55.199 do something with the Crow. But you know, I think 1222 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.079 we were saying before we even got on air, it's like, 1223 01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:59.800 if you don't have it, don't waste it, you know, 1224 01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:02.920 Like why they've been trying for so long and it hasn't 1225 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:04.559 been working, Like why did they all of a sudden 1226 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.159 go yet? Did they just say good enough? 1227 01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:11.000 I mean really? Right? You know, Rupert Sanders directed this 1228 01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:16.800 who he's he did Snowed in The Huntsman, right yeah. 1229 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:20.280 And and Bill Scarsgard, who I hear is like okay 1230 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.079 in it. Yeah. 1231 01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:24.119 You know, he's one of those guys I think everybody 1232 01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:25.679 kind of likes, but he just kind of can't get 1233 01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:28.199 a break with his films, right right. He was in 1234 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.480 the what was that really violent movie? 1235 01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:34.559 Was it John Wick four? I don't know. That's the 1236 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:35.519 only one I haven't seen. 1237 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:38.960 Oh funny, it's I'm not making a great case for it. 1238 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:40.440 But I remember seeing him in a movie where he 1239 01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:43.360 played this I think it was John Wick for. But 1240 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.360 I remember thinking on like, oh, I like this guy. 1241 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.960 He's pretty good. He's a good presence, Like he's unique. 1242 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.840 It is John Wick for by the way, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1243 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:55.159 I remember him in horse Stables and you know, hurting people. 1244 01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.079 But but yeah, I mean it kind of bums me out. 1245 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.719 I feel bad for him, you know, like you take 1246 01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:03.599 a role, you give it a shot. But if it's 1247 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:04.480 not there, it's not there. 1248 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:07.400 I mean to the point you were making earlier. They 1249 01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:13.400 they did three sequels to the the original one, okay, 1250 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.280 and I would say only one is like a direct 1251 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:20.280 sequel in that it carries forward certain characters. But the 1252 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:25.599 thing is, did did the Eric Draven story really need 1253 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:26.440 to be done again? 1254 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.239 Yeah? I know, it feels like the natural way to 1255 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.599 go is tell a different story and the crow brings 1256 01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.079 someone else back for a different reason. 1257 01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:41.559 Yeah, or just do something in the vein of the crow. 1258 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.280 But I have would be a brand new thing. 1259 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:49.320 M No, that doesn't make any sense to crazy talk. 1260 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:56.000 It's fine. I used to watch the television show, oh really, 1261 01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.199 which was yeah, I mean it was like a syndicated 1262 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:05.480 know w C I U, you know, Saturday afternoons, you know, 1263 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:09.679 shot in Vancouver type thing, you know, and it was 1264 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:11.679 it was it was Eric. 1265 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:16.039 Draven m righting wrongs basically. 1266 01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:19.400 Yeah. So instead of, you know, the film ends with him, 1267 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:24.719 he goes back to He's reunited with Shelley and that's it, right, Yeah, 1268 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.639 But the show was called The crow Stairway to Heaven, 1269 01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:31.199 and the idea is that like he has to eventually, 1270 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.079 eventually he'll be reunited with her, but he has to 1271 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:39.280 like do good deeds and stuff. Okay, okay, which like 1272 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.880 all right, you know, you know what I didn't like 1273 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.400 about that. It starred Mark de costcos As as Eric, 1274 01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:49.280 and he you know, he's from he's been a bunch 1275 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.599 of stuff, like he was in on Hawaii oz and stuff. 1276 01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.840 But he he was he was in the Double Dragon movie, 1277 01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:58.079 you remember that. Yeah, he was the not Scott Wolf. 1278 01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.119 That Scott Wolf's the only person I remember from that. 1279 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.159 So okay, yeah, but but it was like he's like 1280 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:07.199 he has like a normal he looks normal, and then 1281 01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:09.760 like when he when he's like goes into action, he 1282 01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:13.719 like crows out. Oh and he gets like crow face. 1283 01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:15.280 Interesting. 1284 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:18.039 Okay, that was like their solution as opposed to having 1285 01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:19.560 him just wander around with the makeup on it. 1286 01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:21.439 All the time. Yeah, so he could walk into a 1287 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:26.199 bar somewhere and look unassuming, but then he gets activated. 1288 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:32.560 He's like crow power is activated. He would say that. Yeah, 1289 01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:34.640 so that was a weird one. I can't speak to 1290 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:37.720 whether it's I can't imagine it holds up very well, 1291 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:40.000 but but I remember watching it when it aired. 1292 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:44.079 Yeah, well, this movie, I mean, I gotta be honest, 1293 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:45.640 I don't think I would leave the house for it, 1294 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:50.479 but there's a curiosity factor that I would. If it 1295 01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:53.239 was on HBO one evening, I could see stopping on it. 1296 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.039 Well, there you go. That's that's Brian's final word on 1297 01:08:57.199 --> 01:08:57.680 The Crow. 1298 01:08:59.279 --> 01:08:59.920 I mean, I I. 1299 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.920 Do think it is remarkable that, I mean, there was 1300 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:07.159 no chatter about this movie at all leading up into 1301 01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:08.319 literally its release. 1302 01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:10.760 No, well, the trailer came out a couple months ago. 1303 01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:16.039 Everyone tugged on their collars going oh and then yeah, 1304 01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.119 to your point, you texted me and said, can you 1305 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:19.680 believe no one's talking about The Crow? And I think 1306 01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:22.359 I said that's coming out this week. Yeah, Like I 1307 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:24.560 didn't even know that, and I follow this stuff. 1308 01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:27.279 And I should say, I mean I mentioned it in 1309 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.159 my class just as oh, by the way, and most 1310 01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:31.840 of them are like, what's we don't even know what 1311 01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:32.479 the crow is? 1312 01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:35.039 I was just wondering, Yeah, I wonder if that's like 1313 01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:37.399 a I'm trying to think of an equivalent. I mean, 1314 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.399 that's what that was ninety four, So it's like thirty 1315 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.960 years ago, you know, Yeah, ninety four, like it. 1316 01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:48.640 Had cultural relevance above and beyond the the you know, 1317 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:51.039 the music and everything, obviously because of Brandon Lee and 1318 01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:54.159 what happened to him. And I mean that again, I 1319 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:58.159 think the movie holds up pretty well, but it Yeah, 1320 01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:00.479 I mean, it's gonna have a different resid ence for 1321 01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:01.399 our generation. 1322 01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:05.960 Yeah. I'd be curious actually to show it to someone 1323 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:07.039 younger and see what they think of it. 1324 01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:09.359 See what they think of it. Yeah, like you said, 1325 01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:13.119 great soundtrack? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Hey, let's take another 1326 01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:16.119 short break and we will talk about the movie still 1327 01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:27.880 sitting atop the box office this weekend and we're back, 1328 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.560 and hey, Brian, you know who else is back that 1329 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:36.000 sick it's been a while. It's those wacky face hugging 1330 01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:41.560 Zeno morphs from the Alien franchise. Yay, just when you 1331 01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:45.720 thought it was safe to go back into space. Yeah 1332 01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:49.560 something Alien Romulus is in theaters now. It was number 1333 01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:52.880 one last weekend, and as it heads into its second weekend, 1334 01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:54.880 looks like it's going to be number one again as 1335 01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:58.479 we record this. So if I'm wrong, boy, will I 1336 01:10:58.520 --> 01:10:59.520 have egg on my face? 1337 01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.399 Apparently for the people who've seen The First Crow, it 1338 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:05.680 can rain all the time. 1339 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:11.479 You know that film. By the way, Alex Proyus, who 1340 01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:15.279 directed that film, Yeah, really like he had the potential 1341 01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:18.600 to be like a true like a Ridley Scott level visionary. 1342 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:23.359 Yeah yeah, I mean between The Crow and Dark City, 1343 01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:25.880 Dark City, if you just can't call it a career 1344 01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:27.800 after those two, man, you got it made in the shade? 1345 01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:29.760 What happened? 1346 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:33.479 I know he made Knowing, Yes, and he did I Robot, 1347 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.159 I Robot. I forgot about that one. 1348 01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:38.039 Yeah, and then he did Gods of Egypt and that 1349 01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:39.079 that's around. 1350 01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:44.439 Are those his projects or was he someone who took 1351 01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:47.760 you know, a script in was the visionary who brought 1352 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:48.039 it to. 1353 01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.840 Life that I do not know, although I suspect, at 1354 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:53.039 least in so far as I Robot, he was probably 1355 01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:55.960 something close to a hired gun. 1356 01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:59.000 It's so interesting because what I remember about I Robot 1357 01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:02.720 is that it felt like a very polished studio yes 1358 01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.640 s II fi adventure film, and I just didn't feel 1359 01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:07.479 a lot for it, which is weird coming from a 1360 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:10.479 guy who made Dark City and The Crow That's right, right, 1361 01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:15.439 which are just dripping with like artistry and creativity and 1362 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:16.479 a vision. 1363 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:19.439 Yeah. Yeah, I mean I thought I Robot was. It 1364 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:22.439 was fine. It was like Eye Candy. I don't remember 1365 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:23.319 anything about. 1366 01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:24.359 It same, you know. 1367 01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:31.079 But anyway, Yeah, speaking of Eye Candy, I should say 1368 01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:34.880 Alien Romulus. This is the ninth Alien film, by the way, 1369 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:38.560 you believe. Wow, that's a lot that includes two alien 1370 01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.319 versus Predator movies. I'm I'm They're part of the count 1371 01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:42.359 as far as I'm concerned. 1372 01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.079 Still, I saw someone say that this is a forty 1373 01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.279 five year old franchise the other day, and I was like. 1374 01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:52.840 Wow, that is bananas. That's something that really is. And 1375 01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:56.039 I think that says a lot about sort of the 1376 01:12:56.319 --> 01:13:02.680 the the Eternal appeal of this particular mister. So this 1377 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:06.840 was originally intended to be a straight to Hulu movie 1378 01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:08.720 I'll pray a couple of years ago. 1379 01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.880 That's insane. Yeah, that's insane. 1380 01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:15.359 Yeah. Well, I think I think Disney saw the good 1381 01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:17.560 reaction Pray got and they were like, that should have 1382 01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.680 been released in theaters. Agreed, and so with this they 1383 01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:24.239 rejiggered it a little bit. It was made for around 1384 01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:29.600 eighty million dollars, which is like in today's economy, that's 1385 01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:31.039 like Blair Witch Project money. 1386 01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:33.680 Dude, you would never know it. 1387 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:38.600 Yeah right, yeah, yeah, you know, so I should say 1388 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.800 I I, as I mentioned earlier in the show, I 1389 01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:45.079 went and saw it with with Adam Lance Hendrickson, a 1390 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:47.079 fan of our show, who said, hey, let's let's meet 1391 01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:51.119 at in Elmhurst. There's a there's like a classic cinema. 1392 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:52.800 I was like, let's do it. It's like an old 1393 01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.920 timey It's like it's like the Last Action Hero theater, 1394 01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:56.520 you know what I mean? 1395 01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.079 Oh cool, okay, like the movie Palace kind of one 1396 01:13:59.079 --> 01:13:59.479 of them things. 1397 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:03.520 Yeah. But but the screening room itself had been upgraded 1398 01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:05.880 and it had reclining seats and stuff and new new 1399 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:09.199 fangled sound and so we sit down and we start watching. 1400 01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:15.079 The movie starts playing and you could not really make 1401 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:20.199 out the dialogue. Oh so the sound mix was shoddy 1402 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:23.960 to the to the point where Adam, to his credit, 1403 01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:26.560 got up several times to be like, hey, guys, this 1404 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:29.439 the saint. It's not working. You know, the sound it's 1405 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:30.680 hard to hear you know. 1406 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:32.640 What do you mean? Like like in terms like it 1407 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:33.760 was bad speakers. 1408 01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:37.279 It was not. It was not mixed properly. And in 1409 01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:40.760 my layman's opinion. 1410 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:42.319 Yeah, maybe certain channels weren't coming. 1411 01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:48.520 Yeah, so so like the dialogue was being overpowered by 1412 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:51.680 the sound effects and whatnot. Okay, so you had to 1413 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:53.720 struggle a little bit to hear it. Like I'm I'm 1414 01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:56.039 somebody when I watch movies at home, just as a 1415 01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.680 I just I watched with subtitles on. So I'm I'm like, God, 1416 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:02.079 I could use some subtitles, you know. 1417 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:04.560 No, I just I don't know, because Federica does that too, 1418 01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:05.840 and you're only emboldening her. 1419 01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:08.560 You know what. 1420 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:11.760 It's a huge thing. I'm seeing memes about this. I 1421 01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:14.880 was on the airplane recently. I saw people like, I know, 1422 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:16.880 this is a thing. I just I have such a 1423 01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:17.560 hard time with it. 1424 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:22.000 I've been watching movies with subtitles since since two thousand 1425 01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:27.079 and one, when they released The Godfather Trilogy on DVD. Yeah, 1426 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:29.760 and I was having trouble understanding some of these folks 1427 01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:31.520 in their accents. I put on the subtitles. I was like, 1428 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:32.920 oh my god, this is the Promised Land. 1429 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:35.560 Do you find your eyes drawn to it? Though? 1430 01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:40.560 At this point no, I'm just it's just part of 1431 01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:41.239 the experience. 1432 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:44.560 So you're sort of used to them on screen. I mean, obviously, 1433 01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:46.680 when I'm watching a foreign film or something in a 1434 01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:48.680 different language, I'm used to it, and my eyes are 1435 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.520 drawn to it. I need them. But you so if 1436 01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:54.279 you ALIGNE goes past really quickly, you don't understand it. 1437 01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:56.520 You're kind of trained to look down really quickly. 1438 01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:59.720 And yeah, I mean it's not I wouldn't even say 1439 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:04.560 it that directed emotion. It's just I'm just taking the 1440 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:07.279 totality of the screen, including the text. 1441 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:09.960 I see, I see. 1442 01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:12.359 So, so Frederica, keep doing what you're doing. 1443 01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:13.720 I got your back. 1444 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:19.600 Don't listen to this this heathen. That's hilarious. But anyway, 1445 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:22.560 I could have used some of them subtitles watching it. 1446 01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:27.039 So so the mix got a little better as we went, 1447 01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.880 and it was not It was not an ideal experience. 1448 01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:33.800 But I want to call out Adam actually getting up 1449 01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:35.880 multiple times and asking him to fix it, because I 1450 01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:37.319 don't know that I would have did that, you know. 1451 01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:41.239 Oh yeah, I had experience like that too, where audio 1452 01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:44.399 was weird. It's very loud, like loud to the point 1453 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:48.000 of pain. And I to this day, I'm like, why 1454 01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:50.159 did I get up and say something rather than go 1455 01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:51.880 through that for two and a half hours. 1456 01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:57.279 So what ended up happening is I had to watch 1457 01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.560 it again just so that I could I could make 1458 01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:05.000 out the look. And you you watched this last. 1459 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:06.520 Night, right yesterday afternoon? 1460 01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:09.000 Yeah? Yesterday? Okay, So we have not discussed this at all. 1461 01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:12.279 I think I think it's and I hate doing this. 1462 01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:18.279 I think it's just one of those Eh, it's fine, Zachi. Yeah, 1463 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:21.880 I loved it. Wow. 1464 01:17:22.399 --> 01:17:23.439 How often does that happen? 1465 01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:24.279 Wow? All right? 1466 01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:28.880 I went in very I wouldn't even say skeptical. I was. 1467 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:31.840 I'm a fan of alien and aliens, but I'm not. 1468 01:17:32.079 --> 01:17:33.840 They're not like my terminator too, you know, I know 1469 01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:36.159 it backwards and sure, sure it's tied to my youth 1470 01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:39.560 or anything. Yeah, And so I saw the trailer, I 1471 01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:42.880 was like, I'm hopeful. I love that shot of Kaylee 1472 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:46.279 Spainey with the gun. It looks like something from nineteen 1473 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:47.640 eighty six and the best. 1474 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.439 Possible way, totally yeah. 1475 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:52.520 And so I went into this truly out of obligation, 1476 01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:55.920 like like I would watch it at some point, but 1477 01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:59.239 you know, the hit to miss ratio in the series 1478 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:01.640 is not that great, you know what I mean, And 1479 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:03.640 so I went in like, Okay, here we go. And 1480 01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:05.920 then it's like it starts out on that you know, 1481 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:09.159 colonized planet and you know her and her her brother 1482 01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:13.359 quote unquote, and like and I was like, I'm kind 1483 01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:16.479 of into this, like I'm enjoying the world building. And 1484 01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:19.520 then it came up with their goal. You know, it's 1485 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:21.640 a little risky, but let's go do this and then 1486 01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:24.399 we can get a specifics later. But like this ticking 1487 01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:28.479 clock is introduced, and I literally out loud went fantastic. 1488 01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:35.000 That ticking clock is so cool. And I loved the filmmaking. 1489 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.680 I loved the I thought they captured the alien aesthetic 1490 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:44.960 of these like damp ships and like a filmmaker visuals, 1491 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:52.000 you know, very thoughtful direction and like the tension was 1492 01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:56.640 interesting or well done. The set pieces were inventive and 1493 01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:00.399 used everything that was available within the not only the 1494 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:02.359 geography of the ship, but the logic of the ship 1495 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:03.319 and how it works. 1496 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:07.079 And the station or station space station. 1497 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:10.600 And like two thirds in, I was like, a plus 1498 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:13.600 right now, I mean it is this like a plus 1499 01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:15.520 like Godfather's a plus. Like no, no, but like as 1500 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.039 an alien, I totally get what you're saying, A plus, 1501 01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.319 Like I have no complaints. And then in the third 1502 01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:23.880 act something happens that made me like, yeah. 1503 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:28.399 That's where it kind of lost me. Not even lost me, 1504 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:33.439 but that's where I was like, all right that you know, Yeah. 1505 01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:36.279 I was actually like, dude, I actually Frederika hates' movies 1506 01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:36.439 like this. 1507 01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:37.760 I think she actually like this. 1508 01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:39.159 And then I was even like you know what, I'm 1509 01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:41.039 gonna take my brother. I'm gonna take my brother to this. 1510 01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:43.319 And then I have to say the ending did knock 1511 01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:45.079 me down to like yeah, maybe I'll take my brother. 1512 01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:49.199 See Okay, So so without spoiling anything, here here is 1513 01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:52.680 where I end up at. It's fine because I did 1514 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:54.680 enjoy it. I think I think all the stuff that 1515 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:58.079 you said, I think fide Alvarez did an amazing job, 1516 01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:01.720 really evoking both of the first two films, both of 1517 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:07.720 like Chef's Kiss. Yeah, I don't what I and they 1518 01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:10.079 you know what they said, what the filmmakers said. Oh, 1519 01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:12.079 there's all these like nods to the other films in 1520 01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:14.520 the series throughout. And I was on board for the 1521 01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:17.119 most part. And we'll get into those and spoilers what 1522 01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:20.920 I was less on board for. And my son, who 1523 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:22.680 I my oldest son. I went with him the second 1524 01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:24.760 time he pointed this out, and I agree with him. 1525 01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:29.520 The final third or the final bit at the near 1526 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:33.720 near the near the end is a virtual remake of 1527 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:35.600 the original movie. 1528 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:39.279 I don't disagree. I don't disagree, and you know, and 1529 01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:41.079 that's the other thing too, I do have to give 1530 01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:43.239 like a caveat, even though I'm not backing down from 1531 01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:46.359 really enjoying myself. Yes, and maybe it even had to 1532 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:48.479 do with me sort of. Okay, I just got back 1533 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:50.119 from this trip. I'm really tired, but I gotta go 1534 01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:52.680 see this and talk about with Zachi and yeah, and 1535 01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:56.039 then getting really into it and leaning forward in my 1536 01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:58.680 seat and walking out like man, I had a good time. 1537 01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:02.680 That that was my perience. I also have seen people 1538 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:07.159 criticizing it for being I guess derivative, you know, like 1539 01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:09.319 just repeating the first two films, and I would say, 1540 01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:11.760 you know what, You're not wrong, like, you're not wrong, 1541 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:15.800 Like this to me feels like a synthesis. I would say, 1542 01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:18.399 a very good synthesis of one and two. 1543 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:21.359 See, you know what, you're You're right. And and if 1544 01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:22.920 I can just add to that, what it felt like 1545 01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:26.760 to me was a Force Awakens Alien movie. 1546 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:29.319 Mmmm, yeah, sure right. 1547 01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:33.159 You know how Force Awakens is basically a remake of 1548 01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:33.760 Star Wars. 1549 01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:35.359 Yeah, yeah, that's what this. 1550 01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:39.479 Is, right, and and essentially Kaylee Spainey is and you 1551 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:43.279 got you Got, you Got Ray and Finn basically, No, 1552 01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:48.039 you're so right. I'm not saying that in a bad way. 1553 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:50.640 I get it because this is an IP and Disney's 1554 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:52.960 gonna want to find Fox Slash. Disney's gonna find ways 1555 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:56.560 to to you know, to platform it outward. Totally fine. 1556 01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:04.000 The the the only part of that derivative, that derivative 1557 01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:08.920 aspect that pulled me out was how much the final 1558 01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:12.199 piece felt like just redoing the exact ending of Alien. 1559 01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:16.680 You know, I can't disagree, and I think I actually 1560 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:18.520 liked it. We both have these opinions because I think 1561 01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:22.840 we're coming from slightly similar but slightly different places relationships 1562 01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:25.039 with the movies. So I'm happy I can sort of 1563 01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:27.720 represent this where it's like someone who saw Star Wars 1564 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:29.880 two or three times and it was like, oh yeah, 1565 01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:33.079 I remember liking Star Wars. So it's not maybe as 1566 01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:37.039 in my face right, although it did cross my mind 1567 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:37.840 while it was happening. 1568 01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:41.840 I mean, I'll tell you, I mean, given the totality 1569 01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:44.880 of alien films, I would place this in the upper third. 1570 01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:47.760 You know me too, Oh yeah, definitely, you know. 1571 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:50.720 I don't I don't know where i'd put it with 1572 01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:52.520 reference to the third one, but certainly I liked it 1573 01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:54.119 better than the fourth one, which I don't believe you've 1574 01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:54.600 even seen. 1575 01:22:54.920 --> 01:22:57.119 No, no, everybody told me it's not worth it, and 1576 01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.399 so i've I'll watch it someday, but it's never that's 1577 01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:03.479 a weird one, man, because I think it has some 1578 01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:07.159 good ideas, yeah, that are not executed particularly well. 1579 01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:13.800 In my opinion, I think this one what I really appreciated, 1580 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:18.439 and I think I think we're like ya close to spoilers, so, 1581 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:24.399 but ultimately what I appreciated was the esthetic approach, how 1582 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:28.000 it very much. It lives within the world of those 1583 01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:32.359 first two movies. It's clearly made and Fida Alvarez and 1584 01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:35.000 I'm assuming you know the various people he got to 1585 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:38.439 make the movie with them very much. Coming at it 1586 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:42.039 as fans of those. 1587 01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:47.079 Two movies, definitely. I mean the production design, like I said, 1588 01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:50.960 the damp ships, the old school sort of eighties kind 1589 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:51.760 of computers. 1590 01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.119 The computers, yep, I loved that. 1591 01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:58.479 Honestly, me too, man, you know, even just real I 1592 01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:01.399 just wanted to in the filmmaking. Like it was the lenses. 1593 01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:04.199 I could tell the lenses he was using, and like, 1594 01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:05.600 I don't know if it was shot in film or not. 1595 01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:07.800 Usually I'm pretty good at it. Twisters was shot on 1596 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:10.680 film and it was beautiful. You could tell. And I 1597 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.000 really feel like it elevated that film. This one, I 1598 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.479 don't know, it feels like it was, and so I 1599 01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:19.359 think it reminded, you know, what it was, like, evoked 1600 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:23.079 the type of movies that delighted me when I was young. Sure, 1601 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.479 it's style. There's a group shot where the kids are 1602 01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:28.520 talking about I think they're talking about taking off or 1603 01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:30.760 what the plan is, and there's this group shot of 1604 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:33.560 them and it just has that sort of slightly warped 1605 01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:37.479 wide angle sort of and the way that they're blocked 1606 01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:39.159 and seated in the room. And I was just like, man, 1607 01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:41.640 I feel like I'm watching a lust movie from my 1608 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:45.359 youth and it really and not just that stuff. I 1609 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:48.880 did enjoy the relationship with Kaylee Spiney and like I said, 1610 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:52.199 her brother, that worked for me that it was changes 1611 01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:54.920 the shifts in that Yeah, that were for you two. 1612 01:24:55.319 --> 01:24:58.199 Oh yeah. And by the way, David Johnson who plays Andy, 1613 01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:00.359 he was great to me. 1614 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:01.800 That's like a starmaking role. 1615 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:03.239 Yeah. Yeah, he's terrific in though. 1616 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:05.640 Yeah, and she's been great too. I mean, Priscilla had 1617 01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:10.000 a good Civil War, good couple of years alien. Yeah, yeah. 1618 01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:11.920 And I just thought the set piece, I mean, that's 1619 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:15.000 what we're going for. Could you completely shift it and 1620 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:17.560 not put it on a ship and people getting picked off? Yes, 1621 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:19.359 And I think they should because they're going to keep 1622 01:25:19.359 --> 01:25:22.720 making these please do that. But for whatever this is, 1623 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:24.960 like I said, as a synthesis, I thought it was 1624 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:30.520 a highly successful synthesis of new characters, new locations, new parameters, 1625 01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:35.800 and some really cool ideas for them to navigate through. 1626 01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:39.520 That just had me. I literally noticed at one point, 1627 01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:41.439 I was leaning for it in my seat, having a 1628 01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:41.960 great time. 1629 01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:48.439 Yeah, I think ultimately where I landed is is it? 1630 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:50.439 It's it's a. 1631 01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:57.239 Fine entry in this franchise that doesn't touch its height, sure, 1632 01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.800 but is pretty well above it's lows. 1633 01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:05.479 Yeah. Yeah, And I mean in the in the age 1634 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:08.960 of these legacy sequels, these speaking of the Crow, you 1635 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:12.000 know what I mean. You go, oh, well, they can 1636 01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:16.920 make another good alien movie, even though yes, like, is 1637 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:22.239 it a little bit you know, an echo too much 1638 01:26:22.279 --> 01:26:23.199 of an echo of something? 1639 01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:23.960 Oh? 1640 01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:24.319 Very much. 1641 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:27.560 So absolutely I can see that, and it would be 1642 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:29.680 cool if they could figure out some sort of new 1643 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.039 angle to come at it with. Totally. But I guess 1644 01:26:32.079 --> 01:26:34.000 it was just to my surprise how much I enjoyed this. 1645 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:37.920 Well, hey, you want to talk spoilers, let's do it. 1646 01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:42.640 Spoiler. 1647 01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:50.399 So right up top we come in. We you know, 1648 01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:53.640 you have the type face, the saw bass typeface, you know, 1649 01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:57.680 And I'm like, okay, already, my my short hairs are 1650 01:26:57.680 --> 01:26:59.119 standing up. I'm like, oh ho, there we. 1651 01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:03.680 Dude, James Horner esque music over the stars. I was like, 1652 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:07.039 oh my gosh, Like I was like, you're really going 1653 01:27:07.119 --> 01:27:08.279 to do like a score like that. 1654 01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:12.520 Well, and then and then we float through the wreckage 1655 01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.920 of the Nostromo and I'm like, sign me up. 1656 01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:18.079 You know, yeah, it looked I couldn't selve as a 1657 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:18.760 model or CG. 1658 01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:20.039 Oh there you go. 1659 01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:23.760 Whoever did that? Kudos, man, kudos. 1660 01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:27.680 I had a student by the recently, who's who's like, oh, 1661 01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:31.000 I just watched the original Alien and I was like, oh, 1662 01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:33.359 did you think? And they said, you know, I didn't 1663 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:39.039 think the CG was very good. And I said, oh, 1664 01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:46.720 well there's a reason for that. Oh no, but okay, 1665 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.600 So this is set twenty years after Alien. Right, it's 1666 01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:52.119 a I think I think the term is mid qool 1667 01:27:52.399 --> 01:27:57.600 as as the youngsters. So I liked that. I like 1668 01:27:57.680 --> 01:28:02.560 how they found some cracks to fit a story into that. 1669 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:07.159 That all I was on board with the the what 1670 01:28:07.319 --> 01:28:09.439 I'm I'm like, this is my problem, right, I'm like 1671 01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:13.560 watching the how does the continuity fit together? Right? And 1672 01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:16.920 and you've got the Ridley Scott prequel movies, you know, Prometheus, 1673 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.159 an Alien, Covenant, and you got this and how does 1674 01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:23.399 it all fit? And And what I appreciated was that 1675 01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:29.399 this movie attempts to encompass the totality. So you've got okay, 1676 01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:34.520 so we should mention this. You've got a CGI resurrected 1677 01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:35.520 Ian Holme. 1678 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:37.680 Yeah, what do you think about that? 1679 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:41.680 So I've seen a lot of people online kind of 1680 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:45.279 losing their shit over this. Yeah, right, oh, this is 1681 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.239 you know, it's disrespectful, it's a homunculus and all this 1682 01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:52.319 other stuff and and on. Maybe this is like a 1683 01:28:52.359 --> 01:28:54.680 controversial opinion, but I'm like, look, if you can do 1684 01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:57.520 it well and if the family is on board with it, 1685 01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.600 I don't see that much of a problem with it. 1686 01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:04.439 Yeah, I agree. I thought it worked. It was jarring 1687 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:07.079 at first, right, and some of it I thought looked 1688 01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:09.039 a little dodgy. I think that was the only dodgy 1689 01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:14.079 looking visual effects in the film. Yes, but it felt 1690 01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:15.880 of the world. It did. 1691 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:19.000 The only the only caveat I would say is I 1692 01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:21.920 would have preferred if he and this is not ash. 1693 01:29:22.039 --> 01:29:24.640 This is Rook, a new character. But you know, I 1694 01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:27.119 think in terms of the movies Shorthand, it makes sense 1695 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:30.520 to have him because you see Ian Holme and right 1696 01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:36.119 away you're like, this, this guy's sketchy as opposed to 1697 01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:39.119 having a new synthetic person. And then we have to 1698 01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:42.199 connect the dots on our own whether he is or 1699 01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.319 not a good guy or a bad guy. 1700 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:45.159 Yeah, that's good point. 1701 01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:48.279 However, I would have preferred not to have him be 1702 01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:50.680 a presence all the way throughout. I think a little 1703 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:51.760 would have gone a long way. 1704 01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:54.680 M M yeah yeah, Like I was appearing on those monitors, 1705 01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:56.760 on the monitors, and then and then this is so 1706 01:29:56.840 --> 01:29:58.000 this is a thing that bugged me. 1707 01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:01.159 I don't mind member berries, but I don't like is 1708 01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:03.680 you know, and this is Terminator movies do this like 1709 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:07.079 oh hey, I'll be back right yeah where He's like, 1710 01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:10.960 you know, I don't uh, you know, I won't tell 1711 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:13.079 you the chances, but you have my sympathy. I'm like, oh, 1712 01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:15.239 that's the exact same thing. Ash says, like, you guys 1713 01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:18.159 all just say the same stuff. You know. That stuff 1714 01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:18.920 takes me out of it. 1715 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:23.279 And surprisingly, as on the nose as that was, that wasn't, 1716 01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:25.439 the to my opinion, most offensive. 1717 01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:28.720 Okay a line. I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah. 1718 01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:34.680 If if Andy said get away from her period, yep, 1719 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:35.720 I would have been fine. 1720 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:36.319 Perfect. 1721 01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:40.079 When he says literally he's like, get away from her 1722 01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:43.359 dot dot dot, I'm like, please, don't, please, don't please 1723 01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:46.239 you bitch. Oh damn it. 1724 01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:49.479 I know, it was like, oh, come on, like, it's 1725 01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:52.359 like he watched the other movie exactly. That's and he 1726 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:55.840 doesn't drives me that way. That's that's not his character 1727 01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:57.239 to talk like that, right. 1728 01:30:58.000 --> 01:30:58.239 Yeah. 1729 01:30:58.279 --> 01:30:58.520 That was. 1730 01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:03.279 So that type of stuff I don't like. As far 1731 01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:06.239 as the Rook character and the role he plays, I 1732 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:09.159 had no problem. Again, I'm kind of like, look, it 1733 01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:11.319 sounds like the family was on board. And I know 1734 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.640 before Ian Holme died, he did this little cameo in 1735 01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:19.079 the Hobbit, so I feel like he would have been 1736 01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:21.159 open to this at least. I don't know. Maybe I don't. 1737 01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:24.239 That's presumptuous on my part, but I just feel like 1738 01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:27.600 it it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. Yeah. Yeah, 1739 01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:30.119 so all of that, I was on board with that. 1740 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:33.239 And again the aesthetic, like the way they go into 1741 01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:35.920 the science lab and you're like, my god, this looks 1742 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:38.439 like the thing on the Nostromo. You know, like I 1743 01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:47.920 loved all of that stuff. I think that this is 1744 01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:49.960 and this is where watching it twice really helped. I 1745 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:56.720 was like, how long has this ship been like a derelict? 1746 01:31:57.840 --> 01:31:59.760 You know what I mean? Because I'm like, it sounds 1747 01:31:59.800 --> 01:32:01.880 like what they're doing is pretty important. Sounds like the 1748 01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:05.479 company knew about it right right sitting here. And then 1749 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:07.920 the second time, because I could actually hear him, he's like, 1750 01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:12.279 we were searching for the wreckage of the Nostromo for 1751 01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:15.119 twenty years. We found it about one hundred and ten 1752 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:20.159 days ago, and so within the last three months all 1753 01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:23.720 of this went down, right, So then it makes sense that, well, 1754 01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:27.000 it's everything went to shit very quickly and the company 1755 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:29.840 just hasn't had time to send anybody and they just 1756 01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:32.680 happened to stumble upon it then, So that that clicked 1757 01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:40.760 for me. That made sense. Yeah, in terms of the 1758 01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:44.439 the progression of the story, Like I said, I'm I 1759 01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:47.800 was kind of like, first of all, when they find 1760 01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:51.119 that whole the room with the face huggers, Yeah, dude, 1761 01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:55.199 I've seen so many versions of this scene, you know. 1762 01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:59.520 I'm kind they did something new. Yep, you know that. 1763 01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:03.720 And then there's the other scene when they're going there's 1764 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:05.800 it's like a room full of face huggers and they 1765 01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:07.000 have to just get through. 1766 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:09.760 It and be quiet, dude. And then that girl's in 1767 01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:12.920 peril and she's speaking through the calm and he's like 1768 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:14.720 like trying to cover the calm. 1769 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:19.520 Great by the way, Dora the Explorer goes through it 1770 01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:19.920 in this. 1771 01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:23.079 Yeah, oh I didn't know that. 1772 01:33:23.199 --> 01:33:25.680 Yeah she's ever said, Yeah, we just saw her in 1773 01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:28.439 that other piece of shit movie too, was that. 1774 01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:33.760 Madame Web Wow? Okay, now she's great in this. She 1775 01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:36.479 was good in this, but dude, Yeah, the set pieces, 1776 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:40.399 the whole thing where they introduce the gravity, you know, 1777 01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:43.720 kicking on and off, you know, introduced at the beginning, 1778 01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:45.640 and it's fun because it makes it an obstacle for 1779 01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:48.279 them to get to their goal, you know, right at 1780 01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:50.840 the beginning. But that the way that that comes back 1781 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:53.840 into play when she's in that hallway. I loved it 1782 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:55.800 because she was in that hallway. She's literally got her 1783 01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:58.239 back against the wall. There's all these aliens coming toward 1784 01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:01.079 her and she's got that gun, but you can't shoot 1785 01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:03.279 them because their acid blood will go through the ship 1786 01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:06.319 and they'll crash. I literally was like, I love this. 1787 01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:08.720 I have no idea what she can do. I don't know, 1788 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:11.000 and I can't wait to find out. And then when 1789 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:14.359 they use the gravity, and so she shoots kills all 1790 01:34:14.359 --> 01:34:17.640 the aliens and all their blood is floating in the 1791 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:20.039 air and she has to navigate her way through there 1792 01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:21.760 and even like she's going to encounter it, so she 1793 01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:23.479 shoots her gun to push herself down. 1794 01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:24.359 Yeah. 1795 01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:26.880 I was like, come on, this is great. 1796 01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:29.439 That was that was pretty effective. I mean, that's well, 1797 01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:31.439 that's kind of the thing, right, that's the essential. This 1798 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:35.640 is something that Ridley Scott talked about after Prometheus, you know, 1799 01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:38.600 before before Alien Covenant, they were going to do just 1800 01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:42.640 a straight ahead sequel to Prometheus, and somebody asked him like, 1801 01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:44.079 are you going to bring in the alien or whatever? 1802 01:34:44.119 --> 01:34:46.560 He says, well, I think they've done everything they can 1803 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:50.840 with that creature, you know. And and you know, I 1804 01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:54.039 think I think Fan uproar led to them doing Alien 1805 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:56.359 Covenant and that it's not a movie I was crazy about. 1806 01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:58.520 Some people like it, but I think what this movie 1807 01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:00.680 showed to me at least, it's like, well there's I mean, 1808 01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:05.199 it's an it's a visually distinctive creature with a very 1809 01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:10.319 specific set of strengths and limitations, and it's all about 1810 01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:13.640 finding a new angle, you know. So I'm on board 1811 01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:16.520 for that. Just HARKing back to what I was saying 1812 01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:20.239 earlier about it, sort of these references that include the 1813 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:27.039 totality for me, hearing Ian Holme as basically Ash talking 1814 01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:32.279 about the Prometheus. Yeah, that's to me, that's like Luke 1815 01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:36.760 Skywalker mentioning Dart Citius. You know what I mean. You're like, oh, wow, 1816 01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:38.720 it's that thing, but it's that other thing and they're 1817 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:44.159 all connected. Wow. Yeah yeah, like like I think, because 1818 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:47.000 again I was not a fan of Alien Covenant. However 1819 01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:49.840 that's in the mix, right. That's so I like the 1820 01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:56.880 idea of tying this in because to me, this by 1821 01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:58.520 virtue of what we see in this film, it gives 1822 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:03.520 some context to Alien that is intriguing, right, like, oh, 1823 01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:07.000 the company wanted the alien, but why did they want 1824 01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:10.800 the alien? Oh they're trying to engineer people for terraforming 1825 01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:12.640 or whatever. Like all of that is interesting, these little 1826 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:15.000 pieces that you can carry forward, you know. I did 1827 01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:15.239 like it. 1828 01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:17.239 Yes, all that world building stuff was great, and like 1829 01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:19.399 I said, the first act, I was just eating it up, 1830 01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:22.399 like seeing them what their reality was. And when she's 1831 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:24.760 trying to say that she has her hours and the 1832 01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:29.159 poor you know, android beaten up and he's telling the 1833 01:36:29.239 --> 01:36:33.319 dad jokes like I was just all that was so great. Yeah, 1834 01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:37.359 and then I yeah, the black Goo it's it kind 1835 01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:38.760 of makes sense why they would want It's like, well, 1836 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:42.000 everyone's dying, like we keep getting diseases. Like colonizing these 1837 01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:45.199 places is not working out. We need to enhance these people. 1838 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.399 I was like, oh yeah, I mean I don't love 1839 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:51.239 the goo, but like it. It makes sense, like it 1840 01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:54.479 they they fit it in and at the very least. 1841 01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:57.479 Well, hold on, I'm going to contradict myself into a second. 1842 01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:02.119 But one thing about both prometh and Covenant which drove 1843 01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:04.800 me bananas is you have people acting in a way 1844 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:08.119 that no human would act under these circumstances. 1845 01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:09.199 Yeah. 1846 01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:13.039 Right, So in Prometheus, you're, you know, they're exploring this 1847 01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:16.800 alien temple or whatever it is, and this weird snake 1848 01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:19.399 looking thing pokes its head up, and so one of 1849 01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:22.239 our genius scientific explorers is like, hey, buddy, and he 1850 01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:23.640 kind of sticks his hand up. I'm like, what are 1851 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:27.880 you stupid? And he predictably dies shortly thereafter it. And 1852 01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:31.279 then similar stuff in Covenant. They're like, hey, this planet's fine, 1853 01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:35.399 let's all take off our helmets. I'm like, no, don't 1854 01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:38.079 do that. Yeah, And for the most part with this film, 1855 01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:41.640 I was like, Okay, they're at least acting believably. Yeah, 1856 01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:43.880 up until Dora the Explorer is like, hey, let me 1857 01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.520 inject this thing into my body. What could possibly go wrong? 1858 01:37:47.479 --> 01:37:49.159 You know, it's funny. I mean, it's we'd joke about 1859 01:37:49.199 --> 01:37:52.439 Chekhov's gun a lot, and it's funny because when she's 1860 01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:56.319 about to do it, when she's still with Rain and Rain, 1861 01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:59.319 all of a sudden, it's like, no, don't. I was like, oh, phew. 1862 01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:01.800 But then when what's her name? 1863 01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:01.960 Ka? 1864 01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:06.399 You know she's a lone, she's pregnant, she's dying. I 1865 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:08.359 was like, oh, I don't really want this to happen, 1866 01:38:08.399 --> 01:38:11.119 but you also realize it has to happen, you know 1867 01:38:11.159 --> 01:38:13.640 what I mean? And so then I mean, well, then 1868 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:16.039 the movie turns into the movie split, you know what 1869 01:38:16.079 --> 01:38:19.680 I mean. You get like the half man half alien 1870 01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:25.000 hybrid thing, and I was like, eh, like for truly, 1871 01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:27.560 like I was on a high with this movie, and 1872 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:32.399 when that thing was introduced, I was like, Okay, I 1873 01:38:32.399 --> 01:38:33.600 don't know, how'd you feel about that? 1874 01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:39.640 So it it? It looks it looks kind of like 1875 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:43.159 an engineer, you know, from Frometheus. Right, first of all, 1876 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:45.199 I was like, Wow, that's some crazy cgi and that's 1877 01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:47.199 actually a real dude. 1878 01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:49.279 I'm the close ups I felt like you could tell 1879 01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:50.159 it looked pretty good. 1880 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:52.479 I don't even mean the close ups. I mean just 1881 01:38:52.520 --> 01:38:56.640 standing up. It's a real guy. Wow, Like you know 1882 01:38:56.640 --> 01:38:58.760 how the alien in seventy nine, that's a guy in 1883 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:00.880 a suit. This is a guy who they just put 1884 01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:03.199 like an alien tail on and crap. 1885 01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:05.479 Well, I hope the NBA is keeping watch. 1886 01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:11.279 Right, Yeah, I so so the and the creature is 1887 01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:14.840 called the Offspring by the way, okay, uh and it's 1888 01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:21.079 say again I love that band. Yeah, it's reminiscent of 1889 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:26.720 an alien resurrection. There's a creature called the Newborn. Yeah, 1890 01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:29.600 and that's like a human alien hybrid in a different way. 1891 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:31.520 I've heard about you like this. This this is a 1892 01:39:31.560 --> 01:39:33.760 little call. Yeah, and that's disgusting looking in that So 1893 01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:37.720 this is kind of in that vein. Yeah it uhh. 1894 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:41.439 I never fully got on board with it. I found 1895 01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:44.439 it too disgusting looking. 1896 01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:49.279 Yes, I thought it was gross for starters, but I 1897 01:39:49.279 --> 01:39:51.239 can live with gross if I'm on board with it. 1898 01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:57.079 But I it's like the whole reality of the movie 1899 01:39:57.199 --> 01:40:00.520 shifted slightly and I was really enjoying the reality I 1900 01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:02.920 had just been in, right, you know what I'm saying, 1901 01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:06.359 which I you know, reality, aliens whatever, like right, but 1902 01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:06.920 I get. 1903 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:09.840 The very similitude that they created, which. 1904 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:12.039 I thought they did very very well. And then this 1905 01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:15.159 one I felt like I leapt into another like the 1906 01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:17.439 movie Species or something, you know what I mean. And 1907 01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:19.479 I was like, no, I was really enjoying the other movie. 1908 01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:25.720 Yeah, so it's so to me, it's was it was. 1909 01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:28.760 I crazy about Act three. I was not did it 1910 01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:29.920 kill the entire movie? 1911 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:30.119 For me? 1912 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:33.119 It did not. I know for some people it did. 1913 01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:39.159 I'm not there. But but again, just just to echo 1914 01:40:39.199 --> 01:40:42.000 what I was saying before, it's not even so much 1915 01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:44.880 as the creature being kind of off putting or whatever, 1916 01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:49.560 but I'm like, it just it became such a retread 1917 01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:53.359 of like, Okay, now she's she's in her underwear. Now 1918 01:40:53.399 --> 01:40:55.720 she's got to get into spacesuit, and now she's got 1919 01:40:55.720 --> 01:40:57.680 to open up the vacuum of space. Like it's like 1920 01:40:57.960 --> 01:40:59.000 beat for beat, you know. 1921 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:02.119 I definitely thought it with kicking the thing out into space. 1922 01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:03.960 I didn't even think about like when she was kind 1923 01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:06.079 of yet ready, like in her underwear and whatever, that's. 1924 01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:08.960 So true, You're right, And then at the end she's 1925 01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:09.960 like this is rain. 1926 01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:11.000 Yeah. 1927 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:15.439 Carrodine last survivor of this signing off, I'm like, is 1928 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:18.520 this just a thing that we do now in this universe? 1929 01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:18.760 You know? 1930 01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:20.840 Fair? Totally fair, you know. 1931 01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:22.960 I like, like, that's the stuff that pricks me. And 1932 01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:25.760 again it's not like a deal breaker, but that's that's like, 1933 01:41:26.199 --> 01:41:28.239 that's like, hey, you've seen the other movie, right, and 1934 01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:29.479 it's just like that thing, you know. 1935 01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:32.680 Yeah, So like I'm kind of with you. It wasn't 1936 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:35.239 enough to derail the movie from me. At the end 1937 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.359 of the day, I like the first I'd say like 1938 01:41:37.399 --> 01:41:44.239 three quarters of this movie really really enjoyed. Last quarter didn't, 1939 01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:46.600 like I said, felt like I left into another movie, 1940 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:50.680 like you said, got a little repetitive. Although I will 1941 01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:54.600 add to that I did love the Well, what I 1942 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:56.880 was saying referring to earlier with the ticking clock was 1943 01:41:57.279 --> 01:41:59.119 we've got to get these power cells out of here, 1944 01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:02.760 and in thirty six hours, this thing is just on 1945 01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:06.520 a collision course to this ring of this planet, right, 1946 01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:08.640 which I was like, oh, come on, that's so good, 1947 01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:12.439 like right, like just using the environment, it makes total sense. 1948 01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:15.520 It's organic original, that's a really fun And then of 1949 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:18.439 course they get you know, things go haywire and it 1950 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:20.439 shortens the window and they're going to hit those rings 1951 01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:23.640 even quicker. So when it came to her being connected 1952 01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:26.560 to that cable, having to get him out detached the 1953 01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:30.520 bottom thing, and then it involved that bottom whatever storage 1954 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:34.560 thing colliding into those rings, the spinning rings of that planet, 1955 01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:36.720 and then the shit blasting off just in time before 1956 01:42:36.760 --> 01:42:39.039 it hits the rings. And I really liked that. I 1957 01:42:39.079 --> 01:42:40.039 thought that was pretty cool. 1958 01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:44.560 No, I think the internal logic holds up pretty well. 1959 01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:47.119 And I'm sure somebody will write in and tell me 1960 01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:48.800 how it falls apart and which is fine. But I mean, 1961 01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:52.880 just at a glance, it seem seemed to hold up okay, 1962 01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:56.039 and so I'm fine with that, and I like for 1963 01:42:56.079 --> 01:43:00.720 the most part how it fits in continuity wise, and 1964 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:04.479 I'm definitely like, well, well there's an opportunity here to 1965 01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:08.640 do something with this universe. I mean, I like the universe, 1966 01:43:08.680 --> 01:43:11.720 you know, I like the alien universe. I love whyland Utani, 1967 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:14.399 which I'm I'm gonna say is like Amazon one hundred 1968 01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:18.399 years from now. Basically. Yeah, it was all fun and 1969 01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:22.399 games and we were ordering toilet paper. You know, they'll 1970 01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:27.119 be bioengineering us before we know it, you know, I like, 1971 01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:30.800 I like that like the fleshing out of what the 1972 01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:33.239 company is everything else. And I think the existence of 1973 01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:35.920 this film within this time period in the in the 1974 01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:40.479 you know, the cannon speaks to like the acknowledgment that well, 1975 01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:43.840 that's the most fruitful place to tell stories. 1976 01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:44.760 Mmmm. 1977 01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:48.199 Sure, because you know, because they kept moving forward. The 1978 01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:51.680 last the fourth, the Sigourney Weaver one is like one 1979 01:43:51.760 --> 01:43:56.359 hundred years after or whatever it is, you know, and 1980 01:43:56.439 --> 01:43:59.239 it gets less interesting, you know, But when you keep 1981 01:43:59.239 --> 01:44:02.199 it somewhat close to where we came in, you know 1982 01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:05.000 that there's the opportunity there for for something that we 1983 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:10.640 can somewhat relate to. Yep, yep. And so it's it's 1984 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:15.199 again at this point, this is a very this is 1985 01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:19.399 a very expansive franchise. So it's I'm kind of looking 1986 01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:24.319 at it at any new films as new Terminator movies 1987 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:27.520 almost like, Okay, well, at this point, we're not going 1988 01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:30.640 to get anything close to those first two. Yeah, but 1989 01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:33.840 give me something that that pulls me in a little bit. 1990 01:44:33.920 --> 01:44:35.960 And I would say in terms of hit to miss ratio, 1991 01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:37.920 as far as that goes, I'd say the Alien franchise 1992 01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:42.319 is fared better overall than than than the terminatory. 1993 01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:43.800 Yeah, definitely, you know. 1994 01:44:44.359 --> 01:44:49.279 Uh so it's it, it's it's uh for me personally, 1995 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:52.199 I'm when when the movie ended, I was like, well, 1996 01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:56.399 I don't know what else you can do with this character, 1997 01:44:58.399 --> 01:45:01.119 but I'd be curious to see more of her. So 1998 01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:04.680 that's to me, like that, I'd put that in the 1999 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:05.600 wind column, you know. 2000 01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:09.319 Totally totally. I mean, yeah, her and her brother being 2001 01:45:09.359 --> 01:45:13.840 sort of the main protagonists. I really enjoyed their journey, 2002 01:45:14.119 --> 01:45:18.159 you know, I mean where he's sort of a caretaker 2003 01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:20.479 for her, but he's programmed to be sort of like 2004 01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:23.560 almost like a younger brother, it seems. And then when 2005 01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:26.039 he gets his chip replaced and he becomes really smart, 2006 01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:27.880 and then he's basically you know, the needs of the 2007 01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:30.600 many way the needs of the few kind of becomes 2008 01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:32.680 cold in that sort of way that they don't like. 2009 01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:37.800 And then you know, her deciding to go back after him, 2010 01:45:37.840 --> 01:45:39.960 like all that track for me, the emotionality of all 2011 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:41.159 that I was really important. 2012 01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:45.479 Oh yeah, I I mean I think, well, and when 2013 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:50.720 we look at the the other human characters on balance, 2014 01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:55.960 I liked them same, which to me, that's that's your 2015 01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.359 win right there, where you're actually like, oh I don't 2016 01:45:58.359 --> 01:46:01.840 do that, you know, like all of that idiot, the 2017 01:46:02.079 --> 01:46:12.359 the the the guy, the the guy with the headband. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2018 01:46:12.359 --> 01:46:15.479 the kind of the jerk character when he when he 2019 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:19.199 sticks the that little electrode probe thing from from King 2020 01:46:19.239 --> 01:46:20.720 to the Planet of the Apes, when he puts that 2021 01:46:20.840 --> 01:46:24.359 in the the sack and he pulls it, I sees 2022 01:46:24.399 --> 01:46:30.640 this burned. I'm like, hey, stupid, yeah, keep walking moron, 2023 01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:33.920 you know. Yeah. It's like, hey, there's this thing sticking out. 2024 01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:36.760 Let me let me just poke my eye socket right 2025 01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:41.119 up next to it and see what's happening there. You know. Yeah, 2026 01:46:41.159 --> 01:46:44.800 this is the stuff where I'm like, come on, come on, guys. Yep, yep. 2027 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:49.039 It's it's very funny because because again, you you look 2028 01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:54.720 at John Hurt in Alien and when he looks into 2029 01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:59.239 the thing, You're like, well, don't do that right, right, 2030 01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:02.560 And you always say like, would I say that? Now, 2031 01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:04.720 I'm only saying that because I know Alien, right, And 2032 01:47:04.720 --> 01:47:07.520 I'm like, no, I'm just a terrified person in general. 2033 01:47:09.560 --> 01:47:14.800 So something is guey and sketchy and and not you know, 2034 01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:16.800 it does not occur naturally. 2035 01:47:17.399 --> 01:47:18.119 Yep, yep. 2036 01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:20.079 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna stick my face in it. 2037 01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:21.680 That's to me, that's how Zaki is on rolls. 2038 01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:24.079 No need to poke it. I'm not a poke type 2039 01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:24.520 of ers. 2040 01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:32.800 Just keep walking. It walks. Yeah. But but you know, uh, 2041 01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:38.000 I I'm glad it's performing because I'm curious to see 2042 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:40.119 what happens next with this universe. I think it's interesting 2043 01:47:40.159 --> 01:47:44.039 that Ridley Scott is an EP on this, and I 2044 01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.840 would not be surprised if the Prometheus references were put in. 2045 01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:49.680 At his prodding. 2046 01:47:49.479 --> 01:47:52.399 One he's like, it's like, where's the goo? 2047 01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:58.439 Right? Yeah, Like he's kind of like the the you know, 2048 01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:00.760 the overseer of Alien and stuff. It feels like I 2049 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:02.760 think he might even be involved with this new show 2050 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:03.479 that's coming up. 2051 01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:05.760 You know what, though, he set the template, and that 2052 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:08.119 is quite a template. 2053 01:48:07.760 --> 01:48:08.960 Like I quite a template, you know. 2054 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:13.159 Halfway through I was even thinking there was that movie 2055 01:48:13.159 --> 01:48:16.399 that came out a couple of years ago, Life all Right, 2056 01:48:16.479 --> 01:48:19.000 which was a lot like Alien essentially, you know, this 2057 01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:24.279 entity picking out people in space, and I remember being fine, 2058 01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:26.720 I don't remember a lot about it, to be honest, right, 2059 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.239 but it didn't linger in my mind. It didn't create 2060 01:48:29.239 --> 01:48:32.479 a world I remember, and I thought about that during 2061 01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:37.159 this because man, this it's really Scott created this sort 2062 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:40.640 of vibe for this universe. But I was amazed at 2063 01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:44.439 how they reconjured that vibe. It's just not easy to do. 2064 01:48:44.520 --> 01:48:46.199 I mean we were talking about it in the Terminator 2065 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:49.439 Salvation commentary where I was like, this doesn't feel connected 2066 01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:51.760 to the other movies. For me, it doesn't even resemble 2067 01:48:51.800 --> 01:48:54.880 the other movies, right, And I was just amazed that 2068 01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:59.119 he was able, Alvarez was able to do that, like 2069 01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:03.199 it it felt like an a level execution. Yeah, I 2070 01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:07.520 mean in this world it fits seamlessly between the first 2071 01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:12.760 two yep, where I'd be very curious, like if someone 2072 01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:17.079 were to watch them in chronological order, how they would flow. 2073 01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:19.920 And that, honestly, that's the reason why the little, the 2074 01:49:19.960 --> 01:49:23.680 little verbal nods I didn't like, m yeah, because you're right. 2075 01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:26.000 If you put up sorry, I'm I'm how are you 2076 01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:28.920 often probably gonna say the same thing you're about to Yeah, 2077 01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:31.079 well go ahead. Yeah. Well then if you get the 2078 01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:33.479 the Andy character saying get away from her, you bitch, 2079 01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:36.920 and then you watched Aliens next, it's like it takes 2080 01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:39.640 away the power of that moment, which is an incredible moment. 2081 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:43.159 Yes again, it's in the theater. I was like, get 2082 01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.039 away from her. I love it. And then when he 2083 01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:45.520 says you. 2084 01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:49.760 Bitch, I was like, really, like, I would be kind 2085 01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:51.520 of curious to be in the room when they're making 2086 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:52.439 a decision, like. 2087 01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:55.720 Yeah, I mean you know, you know they had that 2088 01:49:55.760 --> 01:49:57.680 conversation should we put this part of that way? You know? 2089 01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:00.000 Oh, I'm sure there was decision. Yeah, like a very 2090 01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:01.279 version with a version without it. 2091 01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:07.560 Yeah, but yeah, Hey, you know what, Look, as far 2092 01:50:07.600 --> 01:50:12.359 as I'm concerned, we have the television show coming next 2093 01:50:12.399 --> 01:50:15.680 year by Noah Hawley, and I think that is set 2094 01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:22.279 a concurrent to Prometheus, if I'm not mistaken timeline wise. 2095 01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:25.600 So I don't know. I don't know what the plan 2096 01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:29.199 is are that it's called Alien Earth. Make of that 2097 01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:35.039 what you will, Okay, but but I'm excited to see 2098 01:50:35.479 --> 01:50:36.039 what they do. 2099 01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:38.840 You know, I'm in. I'm in, Yeah for sure. 2100 01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:43.039 Yeah, this is you know, the Alien franchise. You know, 2101 01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:46.720 for me, it's even between the films. You know. Dark 2102 01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:49.279 Horse Comics for the longest time, they had a whole 2103 01:50:49.319 --> 01:50:54.000 series of comic books, yeah, and set in different time 2104 01:50:54.039 --> 01:50:56.760 periods and whatever. And they did the same thing with Predator, 2105 01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:59.800 you know, and that I'm kind of like that if 2106 01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:01.960 we end up with something like that, like what dark 2107 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:03.880 Horse Comics did for all those decades, like here's an 2108 01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:08.119 alien story set in this time, you know, and that's 2109 01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:11.640 I'm on board for that totally, because I think the 2110 01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:17.399 creature is obviously visually distinctive. It's never you'll never be 2111 01:51:17.439 --> 01:51:19.359 able to do this kind of creature as good as this. 2112 01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:23.079 And also, I mean, I think there's a lot of 2113 01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:25.560 potential for different story I've used to. 2114 01:51:25.479 --> 01:51:27.840 Explore, you know, I agree, And if you can keep 2115 01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:32.159 coming with interesting scenarios and ways to play with this stuff, yeah, 2116 01:51:32.239 --> 01:51:33.920 well then I will enjoy it. 2117 01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:35.479 There you go. 2118 01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:39.840 This is great, man. I'm really enjoyed this conversation. When 2119 01:51:39.880 --> 01:51:43.079 it ended, I was so tempted to text you. Really, 2120 01:51:43.239 --> 01:51:45.119 we don't tend to do that, so I was like, Okay, 2121 01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:48.640 I'm gonna try to avoid it talking tomorrow. So yeah, well, 2122 01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:53.920 I hope people enjoyed this conversation, and hey, let us 2123 01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:56.079 know your thoughts. I mean, this has been somewhat of 2124 01:51:56.119 --> 01:51:59.479 a divisive film, so hey, maybe you disagree with us, 2125 01:51:59.479 --> 01:51:59.960 and that's fine. 2126 01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:02.800 Let us know. You can email us at MOVIEFILM Podcast 2127 01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:04.840 at gmail dot com. You can all so hit like 2128 01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:07.880 on our Facebook page Facebook dot com, slash Movie Film 2129 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:10.600 Podcast and message us there. As always, if you like 2130 01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:12.640 what we're doing, please go to Apple Podcasts and leave 2131 01:52:12.680 --> 01:52:14.680 a review, leave a star rating. Every little bit helps 2132 01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:17.079 spread the word. We're also on YouTube, so if you 2133 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:21.199 want to subscribe to our YouTube channel and access our 2134 01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:22.800 content that way, hey, you know what, that's fine too. 2135 01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:24.359 If you're looking for me online, you can find me 2136 01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:27.399 on social media at Zachie's Corner. That's the Aki S Corner. 2137 01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:32.600 I also have a couple pieces up at San Francisco 2138 01:52:32.680 --> 01:52:34.800 Chronicle and also at IGN. I have my review of 2139 01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:39.039 Watchman Chapter one. This is the new animated adaptation of 2140 01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:40.800 the classic. 2141 01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:45.399 Graphic novel A wait, where's that to watch you? 2142 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:51.439 It's streaming, but my review is at IgM. Cool off, 2143 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:56.039 check that out. So, yeah, they've taken the graphic novel 2144 01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:58.560 and they're adapting it into two parts, a two part 2145 01:52:58.600 --> 01:53:01.359 animated movie, so kind of like the long Halloween, Got It, 2146 01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:01.920 Got It? 2147 01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:02.199 You know? 2148 01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:08.640 So so this, the first part goes up to well, shit, 2149 01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:10.039 I don't even remember what party goes up. 2150 01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:10.279 To, but. 2151 01:53:12.199 --> 01:53:15.359 It's it's interesting because I think I think it's a 2152 01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:17.880 good adaptation. It's by J. Michael Straczinski. He did the 2153 01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:21.039 script and it's you know, he created about on five, 2154 01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:24.239 et cetera. And he, unlike the Snyder film, you know, 2155 01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:27.800 he tries to stick very closely to the to the text, 2156 01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:34.359 you know. But the problem I had is that in 2157 01:53:34.479 --> 01:53:37.079 terms of like the performances, which are all pretty good, 2158 01:53:37.119 --> 01:53:39.920 but you can't help but compare them with the live 2159 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:43.880 action performers. And and say what you will about the 2160 01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:47.760 Zack Snyder movie, the casting was like on point, Jackie 2161 01:53:47.760 --> 01:53:51.000 Earl Haley was amazing as Warshak, right right right, And 2162 01:53:51.039 --> 01:53:53.600 here you've got Titus well Over as Warshak. Titus well Over, 2163 01:53:53.680 --> 01:53:57.600 great actor, and I can totally see him as Warshak. 2164 01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:01.319 But it's not Jackie Earl Haley. Sure sure feels like 2165 01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:01.920 an imitation. 2166 01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:05.079 Following that, yeah, weirdly right and then and then the 2167 01:54:05.119 --> 01:54:08.119 bigger problem, and this is this is the issue with 2168 01:54:08.119 --> 01:54:11.000 both the Snyder film and the animated movie. Neither one 2169 01:54:11.520 --> 01:54:16.239 convinced me that you're not better off just reading the comic. Hmmm. Interesting, 2170 01:54:16.359 --> 01:54:18.920 that's to me. I'm like the comic. I mean, I 2171 01:54:18.960 --> 01:54:22.279 remember you had this issue with the with the Snyder film. 2172 01:54:23.239 --> 01:54:25.319 Yeah, yeah, no, I I read it for the first 2173 01:54:25.319 --> 01:54:28.600 time in preparation for the movie, and I really enjoyed it. 2174 01:54:29.279 --> 01:54:33.720 Yeah hmm, okay, well, you know, I mean, if I 2175 01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:36.840 come across it out of curiosity, I'd like to see 2176 01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:38.119 there's certain moments. 2177 01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:40.640 It's not it's not terrible. It's not terrible. And the 2178 01:54:40.640 --> 01:54:44.560 the animation at CG animated, but the style is meant 2179 01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:48.319 to look like Dave Gibbons is drawing, sure, which I 2180 01:54:48.319 --> 01:54:50.439 think is really cool. I kind of evokes his brushstroke 2181 01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:53.840 and stuff, so so worth the look, worth the look anyway? Cool? Cool? 2182 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:55.720 But what about you? What do you have anything you 2183 01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:56.560 want to talk up? 2184 01:54:57.239 --> 01:55:00.960 Well? In past weeks, I've been talking about episodes of 2185 01:55:01.000 --> 01:55:04.800 Young Jedi Adventures dropping and they've dropped, so those are 2186 01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:09.800 available now season two, first batch of episodes on Disney 2187 01:55:09.880 --> 01:55:11.079 Junior and Disney Plus. 2188 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.600 There you go, there it is. Thanks everybody for listening. 2189 01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:16.600 We'll catch you next time. This has been episode two 2190 01:55:16.720 --> 01:55:19.600 ninety nine, and look at that three hundred is right 2191 01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:22.159 around the corner. Wow. 2192 01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:31.880 Welcome friends to podcasts podcasting. John Show back again. 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