Speaker 1: We're Tom and Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style
Speaker 1: Opinion Fest. Hell, look, welcome back to another edition of
Speaker 1: the Pso I'm the Tea and you're te Lo. Tom
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Speaker 1: Lorenzo because my lovely husband, yay, And we did not
Speaker 1: think we were doing a podcast this week. In fact,
Speaker 1: we announced that we weren't doing a podcast this week
Speaker 1: because Lorenzo had hand surgery. Yeah, I mean nothing, No,
Speaker 1: you're fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's well, apparently you.
Speaker 1: Were perked up for a couple of days, got his percocets,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, let's just take
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 2: It's a trigger finger pretty much. Yeah, and so it's
Speaker 2: it's a quick surgery, same day surgery.
Speaker 1: I had this same issue about five or six years ago.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead now.
Speaker 2: I postponed for a long time because you know, you
Speaker 2: can start by just doing exercises and then if that
Speaker 2: doesn't work, then you move on to injections and then
Speaker 2: finally surgery. So I was like, I don't need this finger.
Speaker 1: So it was pinky finger. Yeah. We people don't know
Speaker 1: that blogging is hell on your body. Sometimes. And I
Speaker 1: had the same issue about six years ago. I had
Speaker 1: multiple trigger fingers after I and by that I mean
Speaker 1: your hands, your fingers curl up, you can't uncleane them.
Speaker 1: And that was after writing Legendary Children. And it's you know,
Speaker 1: you spend all day clicking on a mouse and typing,
Speaker 1: and at a certain point your hands say that's enough.
Speaker 1: So but in my case, I never needed surgery. I
Speaker 1: first I got the injections, and then they gave me
Speaker 1: exercises and splints to wear, so it never got But
Speaker 1: you ignored it.
Speaker 2: Well, I ignored everything. And mine got so bad to
Speaker 2: the point that if I wash my face, I would
Speaker 2: like pull my face with my finger. It's tough. I
Speaker 2: couldn't put my MICUs. Yeah, I couldn't put my hand
Speaker 2: in the pocket anymore without you know, too much trouble.
Speaker 2: And then and I was in airports, I was like,
Speaker 2: how am I going to do skin my hand? Now?
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to explain to the agent
Speaker 2: every time we look at my finger. Anyway, so I
Speaker 2: had surgery. Everything is fine. I can't go to the gym,
Speaker 2: but I will wait, you know, and then remove all
Speaker 2: the ditches next week.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yes, and I'm fin Lorenzo's fine. But anyway, he
Speaker 1: got up this morning, I had already been up for
Speaker 1: an hour and I was like, look, honey, Harry and
Speaker 1: Meghan podcasts always do numbers for us. And Harry and
Speaker 1: Meghan just announced the bombshell announcement that they are returning
Speaker 1: to London, returning to England to live, and we are
Speaker 1: going to talk about that. We have many, many, many
Speaker 1: thoughts about that. But we also had on the back
Speaker 1: burner we were planning and then we canceled this week's podcast.
Speaker 1: We were planning to talk about another thing about which
Speaker 1: we are both a little hot at the moment, which
Speaker 1: is well, it's first the news that Nicholas Holt has
Speaker 1: taken a role in the Bear in the Harry Potter
Speaker 1: a TV series, a TV series, and that's just a disappointment.
Speaker 1: And also actress Belle Pally, who was already cast in
Speaker 1: the in the series, just gave it bullshit answer. I'm
Speaker 1: going to toss to you because you have all the facts. However,
Speaker 1: let me just in case people don't know, because honestly,
Speaker 1: I was talking to a family member recently and they
Speaker 1: just don't know about j K Rowling. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's not permeating past people who really pay attention to
Speaker 1: or who care about trains people.
Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of denial out there. So J. K.
Speaker 1: Rowling, who is a billionaire made a billion dollars as
Speaker 1: the author of Harry Potter, has spent the last more
Speaker 1: than half decade, it's pretty much close to a decade
Speaker 1: at this point, speaking out against transgender people and in
Speaker 1: really really bigoted ways and leading entire social movements against
Speaker 1: trans people in England in the UK, and also using
Speaker 1: her money to fund anti trans legislation, some of which
Speaker 1: has already gotten passed. And she is very very open
Speaker 1: that about the fact that she will use any money
Speaker 1: she makes to fight the scourge of trans people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has a fund. There's a website. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to mention the name. But anyway, she has
Speaker 2: a site and a fund that you know, if you
Speaker 2: need any help, you know, suing a transperson, talk to her. Anyway.
Speaker 2: The thing with this issue is that if you follow
Speaker 2: the news about this, you've been following the news about this.
Speaker 2: It started very mild with her just going like, well,
Speaker 2: trans people have the right to be out there.
Speaker 1: That's trans rhetoric. Generally in the last decade.
Speaker 2: But then but you know women, and it was always
Speaker 2: this very mild, very gentle conversation about trans people, and
Speaker 2: then it kept increasing increasing in getting worse and worse,
Speaker 2: AND's to the point that she's full blown against trans people.
Speaker 1: And just everything hits when you're like on social media
Speaker 1: and you find it happens on the right wing all
Speaker 1: the time. They find out that they can get It's
Speaker 1: the same thing. Listen, he was never a good person,
Speaker 1: but you can watch Elon Musk in the last ten years.
Speaker 1: He just went completely insane online.
Speaker 2: When you find the support, when you see people you
Speaker 2: know gathering and saying you're right, you know, you go, girl,
Speaker 2: you know right, we're right, We're behind you, and these
Speaker 2: people are horrible, and then you know, and you have
Speaker 2: the money, because that's the issue. She has the money
Speaker 2: and not a lot of it people a lot of
Speaker 2: it to Spain. And she said it, and I quote her,
Speaker 2: she doesn't care about her legacy. She said that I'm
Speaker 2: going to be dead anyway, and I'm quoting here here.
Speaker 2: She doesn't care.
Speaker 1: She thinks she's fighting the good fight.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's what people do. I mean when they
Speaker 2: put something in their head, they you know, they think
Speaker 2: that's that's that's what they need to do, that's their mission.
Speaker 2: And when you have the money, then that's the problem here.
Speaker 2: And you know, so she's so there's and I understand
Speaker 2: her books. I never read her books. I was never
Speaker 2: interested in any of her books. It's not my thing.
Speaker 2: And but I understand that her books are very very
Speaker 2: popular the whole franchise.
Speaker 1: They are very important to an entire generation, and.
Speaker 2: People will love the books. So it's very hard for
Speaker 2: people to say, you know, no to the books, no
Speaker 2: to all that, and then you know and not support her.
Speaker 2: And I was so disappointed with Nicholas Halton and Baille
Speaker 2: Palley because I like both. I like both as actors.
Speaker 1: She had already taken the role though she's But.
Speaker 2: I was disappointed with the statement because I have the statement,
Speaker 2: and I'll talk about it in a minute. My point
Speaker 2: is that I understand, and I was very angry on
Speaker 2: Instagram and I posted something, I usually don't talk about
Speaker 2: this woman at all because I don't want to talk
Speaker 2: about her. Yes, I don't want to talk about her
Speaker 2: because the more you talk about her, the you know,
Speaker 2: the more Champagne bottles she opened and celebrates. So I
Speaker 2: so I didn't want to talk about it, but I
Speaker 2: was very disappointed with Paley because she she came out
Speaker 2: with the statement.
Speaker 1: I can read it.
Speaker 2: I haven't read now to read, so you go ahead
Speaker 2: and read it.
Speaker 1: I strongly disagree with JK. Rowling's views on gender. I
Speaker 1: think that the trans community deserves safety and dignity and
Speaker 1: respect and total acceptance. All good, but like she follows
Speaker 1: it up with a butt. But I love Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: I grew up with the books. I am from that
Speaker 1: for there should not be a butt in that statement.
Speaker 1: I am from that first generation of readers. And again
Speaker 1: I love magic and spookiness, okay more than trans people.
Speaker 2: I guess there shouldn't be a statement at all because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take your money and just go home.
Speaker 2: As I said on Instagram, these people should just take
Speaker 2: the money and shut their mouths because a statement like
Speaker 2: that doesn't have It makes me even angrier because you're
Speaker 2: saying that trans people should have all the acceptance when
Speaker 2: when you taking money from someone she's the executive producer
Speaker 2: on the show. Yeah, you're taking money from someone who's
Speaker 2: saying that trans people have no rights. So you can't
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 1: You can't say I love and support trans people and
Speaker 1: then follow that up with but yes.
Speaker 2: And my disappointment was, you know, I mean, you can
Speaker 2: say John Liso did the same thing, but he's an
Speaker 2: old geezer.
Speaker 1: You know, he still should know better. He's lay a train.
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, but you know, I'm
Speaker 2: more disappointed with this younger generation of you know, like,
Speaker 2: these people are young. Come on.
Speaker 1: And the thing about Nicholas Holt that is really really
Speaker 1: disappointing is he's not some B list act right, You're
Speaker 1: making Superman movies at this point. You are a list.
Speaker 1: You were pulling major checks and you're not even gonna
Speaker 1: be playing I mean, if if he was playing like
Speaker 1: Voldemort or something like that, I'm like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: an actor camp. But he's playing not a minor character,
Speaker 1: but definitely a bee character. Why why are you taking
Speaker 1: this money? Why are you doing this?
Speaker 2: I understand, you know, I'm not accepting these people to
Speaker 2: be very aggressive about their views and politics, like Javier
Speaker 2: bor Danfritxam who says, I don't care about my career anymore.
Speaker 2: This is this is my mission, this is my view,
Speaker 2: which is you know, do.
Speaker 1: You ironically, that's what JK Rowling says. But it's working
Speaker 1: well for.
Speaker 2: Her, right, So I understand, But you can't just say
Speaker 2: no to one one thing. I mean, you have you
Speaker 2: already have a ton of money. I understand if you're young,
Speaker 2: starting your career, this is your first project or whatever.
Speaker 1: Kids those kids should not be blamed for taking those roles.
Speaker 2: I agree. And but you know it's HBO is a
Speaker 2: major project you starting your career. I can understand. I
Speaker 2: don't accept it, but I understand. But and that's my
Speaker 2: thing on Instagram, I even said, because you know, you
Speaker 2: say something on Instagram and then people come back with
Speaker 2: something completely different to fight you back. So I said, listen,
Speaker 2: I understand. I'm not asking you to burn the books
Speaker 2: or or you know, forget that you like these books
Speaker 2: whatever you have them, you bought them. That was before
Speaker 2: she went completely nuts. I get that part. But supporting
Speaker 2: any new project it.
Speaker 1: Makes her money. Yeah, that's the point. It makes her money.
Speaker 2: Right knowing what what what what her position is right now,
Speaker 2: and you still support her because you love the books.
Speaker 2: That's you know, you just give the money to, you know,
Speaker 2: to the wrong people. And so when when actors accept
Speaker 2: a project like that, I think they should just accept it,
Speaker 2: shut up, and you know, hope that people will forget
Speaker 2: about Well when you come out with statements like that, uh,
Speaker 2: it's just bullshit. It's bullshit. You just calling me stupid
Speaker 2: that you know it's why.
Speaker 1: And it also, I mean, it helps reinforce I'm not
Speaker 1: naive about this, but it's it's sometimes good to be reminded.
Speaker 1: Celebrities are not moral, right, should not look for moral guidance.
Speaker 1: They're not moral actors, and many of them are far
Speaker 1: far far more involved with their careers and making money
Speaker 1: than they are in any social justice sort of ideas.
Speaker 1: So and people on the left, actually both sides do this,
Speaker 1: tend to uphold any celebrity that they feel as their
Speaker 1: same values. And it's like, you know what, you have
Speaker 1: no idea if these people even have values.
Speaker 2: It's very hard. Like I sometimes I post on Instagram
Speaker 2: like I say I adore this actor or whatever, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I sometimes I check. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: is this versa clean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm really worry about that sort of.
Speaker 2: I know. It's just like because people come back and say,
Speaker 2: you know, you're supporting someone who blah blah blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and I understand, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's like, God, you can't.
Speaker 1: No, I actually am. I meant that differently. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm really wary of elevating yes people too much or
Speaker 1: claiming to love someone that I'm like, no, I love
Speaker 1: your work. I love but I don't know you.
Speaker 2: Now when I say adore you or I love you,
Speaker 2: and I make sure to point out what roles and
Speaker 2: movies or whatever I mean the work. But even so
Speaker 2: people still come back and say, you know, you should
Speaker 2: not talking about this person because blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And I get it. But at the same time, we
Speaker 2: have directors like the Ali Pencu, the director of Black Mirror.
Speaker 2: She came out posted on an Instagram that she was
Speaker 2: invited to direct the series and she said, haf no
Speaker 2: uh to transphobia and youth that you can say no
Speaker 2: and you know we're not talking about I mean, she's
Speaker 2: a famous director, but you know it's not like some
Speaker 2: mega mega mega multi's.
Speaker 1: Not making the money Nicholas Hold is making.
Speaker 2: Right exactly so, but and she said no, not the one.
Speaker 2: The low key director Kate Herron also said no, you
Speaker 2: can say no, you know, and you're not gonna miss rent. No.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just like, come on, but I think
Speaker 2: but that's that's how Yeah, that's that says a lot
Speaker 2: about celebrities. That says a lot about the entertainment Indian
Speaker 2: and actors and directors in general. They sometimes just can't
Speaker 2: help themselves to want the attention, to want you know,
Speaker 2: more and more and more and and and if it
Speaker 2: doesn't affect you direct then yeah, they don't care.
Speaker 1: They don't care. We will not be covering the Harry
Speaker 1: Potter Show, and we will not. I did joke about
Speaker 1: this that I we would cover the Red Carpet, but
Speaker 1: all the captions would be links to trans organizations. But
Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, you should do it, you
Speaker 1: should do it, but that would require us purchasing the pictures,
Speaker 1: and that just sends a message that oh, this is right,
Speaker 1: these are hot. We you know, No, we're not going
Speaker 1: to that is no. We've all often said that it's
Speaker 1: our job to cover things, and sometimes we're going to
Speaker 1: cover people like Johnny Depp or whatever who were just problematic, asshole,
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt whomever. But this is this is on a
Speaker 1: different level than that. I'm not suggesting, you know, Johnny
Speaker 1: Depp and Brad Pitt are supposed to are accused, credibly
Speaker 1: accused domestic abusers. I am not, you know, whitewashing that
Speaker 1: at all. But when you are leading a social movement
Speaker 1: to destroy lives, that's that's on a different level. And
Speaker 1: I really cannot support it.
Speaker 2: And people were saying, they say, I mean the stuff
Speaker 2: I read online. I mean there was some guy on
Speaker 2: Instagram saying, well, I'm gay and my kids loved the book.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, that kind of statement. And
Speaker 2: also people saying left and right, you know, we should
Speaker 2: be able to separate the art from the you know.
Speaker 1: Or but she's not doing.
Speaker 2: JK.
Speaker 1: Ralling has made it perfectly clear her art is fueling
Speaker 1: her big Atrice, So she's making it a connection.
Speaker 2: It's one thing when you have a point of view
Speaker 2: and you collecting out that money and you keeping in
Speaker 2: your bank, But when you going out there and saying
Speaker 2: I'm using this money.
Speaker 1: Right, it's not it's her point of view. I am
Speaker 1: one hundred sure that we cover celebrities on the regular
Speaker 1: who are probably transphobic, of course, and I would bet
Speaker 1: that we have probably covered a few that have actually
Speaker 1: said things publicly that are transphobic. But again, this isn't
Speaker 1: about JK. Rowling's view. She's allowed to have them as
Speaker 1: we're you know, as repulsive as I find them. Like
Speaker 1: I said, she's using her money to fund a social
Speaker 1: movement to destroy the lives of trans people. So that's
Speaker 1: on a whole another you cannot separate. She's using the
Speaker 1: money from her art to do this, and you cannot
Speaker 1: separate the art from the artist, and.
Speaker 2: That you you she's using the weapon that causes more
Speaker 2: damage than anything else, which is money. Money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the problem all our billionaires decided in
Speaker 1: the last ten years. You know what, let's take off
Speaker 1: the guardrails. We're rich, we can do whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: we want.
Speaker 2: Absolutely So anyway, it's very disappointing. I'm sure there's gonna
Speaker 2: be more disappointment coming, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna take your statement, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call it out. You know, I'm gonna say it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: Agreed to our trans siblings, we stand with you, To
Speaker 1: our trans a non binary siblings, we stand with you.
Speaker 1: Trans arts are human rights, and we will speak out
Speaker 1: against this shit when we have the platform to do so.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a short break and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back and talk about another Harry.
Speaker 2: You'll be right back.
Speaker 1: We're back, And I'm pretty sure you probably skipped that
Speaker 1: whole first fifteen minutes to get to this part. I
Speaker 1: hope you didn't.
Speaker 2: But it's all over the news.
Speaker 1: It's of course all over the news that Prince Harry
Speaker 1: and Meghan Markle are or I'm sorry, Prince Harry and
Speaker 1: Meghan Sussex, the Duke and duchesses, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call them. They are moving back to the UK after
Speaker 1: six years. They've fled in twenty twenty because they felt
Speaker 1: that their family life, their security and their public reputation
Speaker 1: was just constantly at risk or being trashed.
Speaker 2: And I guess and they were attacking his wife, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a really bad, bad time of it
Speaker 1: after they got married in the UK. And there is
Speaker 1: blame to be had all around, but I personally placed
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Well, most of the blame is
Speaker 1: on the British media, of course, and some blame is
Speaker 1: on that family. This is again one of those conversations
Speaker 1: where I don't know these people, and I'm never going
Speaker 1: to know these people, and anything you get about how
Speaker 1: they are behind closed doors is very very filtered and
Speaker 1: usually through people that have agendas. Not only that, but
Speaker 1: much of our understanding of who these people are is
Speaker 1: based not on stuff from behind closed doors, but from
Speaker 1: royal I'm using scare quotes here, royal commentators who just
Speaker 1: talk about if you read the People magazine report, because
Speaker 1: they were the first one to break it exclusively, there
Speaker 1: were like six different sentences that started off. People understands that,
Speaker 1: meaning I can't quote anyone, I don't have any direct reference,
Speaker 1: but someone surmised that this is what's going on. That
Speaker 1: is the gist of so much royal commenting, and listen,
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. But I'm not pretending like I
Speaker 1: have insider information.
Speaker 2: Right that this is a fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have always talked about the Royals based on,
Speaker 1: you know, what is publicly available, mixed with some skepticism
Speaker 1: about the gossip and that sort of thing, and that's
Speaker 1: pretty much how we're treating this. So I want to
Speaker 1: first off say kudos to Lorenzo because I believe one
Speaker 1: of the time last few times we talked about Harry
Speaker 1: and Meghan. You said he's going to move home. He's
Speaker 1: going to move home, and I said it, and I
Speaker 1: remember saying, I don't think so. I think he loves
Speaker 1: his life here.
Speaker 2: No, I mean recently. I mean, I know for the
Speaker 2: past I don't know six months.
Speaker 1: I just want to say there has been a change,
Speaker 1: change in the last six months.
Speaker 2: Every time he gives an interview, he talks about missing
Speaker 2: you know, Great Britain, London or whatever, his life back there.
Speaker 2: He talks a lot about that. So I saw that
Speaker 2: coming and I'm sure he didn't do it any sooner
Speaker 2: because of her, probably, you know, probably because Megan doesn't
Speaker 2: want to do it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there's that I do want to start off, well,
Speaker 1: we've already started up. I do want to interject here
Speaker 1: and say that, and you agree with We talked about
Speaker 1: this ahead of time that ninety percent of what happens
Speaker 1: in their marriage and the things that they do, like
Speaker 1: leaving and going back, and the way they deal with
Speaker 1: his family and everything, that's him, but everybody blames it
Speaker 1: on her. We've talked about this before. Harry's issues with
Speaker 1: his family and with the British press and with the
Speaker 1: British public are very well documented. He has come right
Speaker 1: out and said these things even before he left the country.
Speaker 1: He is met about what happened to his mother and
Speaker 1: he blames not wrongly, the media, his father, his family
Speaker 1: and the British public.
Speaker 2: He's had issues way before they got married, way before
Speaker 2: he met that ever since he had walked behind her
Speaker 2: coffin exactly.
Speaker 1: And the only reason, well, there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: why William doesn't have the same issues. Number one being.
Speaker 2: He's going to be the king.
Speaker 1: He's going to be the king, and he knew he
Speaker 1: had to surrender all of this, like you weren't going
Speaker 1: to get a chance to rebel. But second, and this
Speaker 1: is this, This is from reading between the lines. This
Speaker 1: is from just you know, it is from gossip, It
Speaker 1: is from royal insider stuff. But my understanding is that
Speaker 1: when Diana was alive, William, as the older, more responsible son,
Speaker 1: saw a lot of stuff and saw the way she acted,
Speaker 1: saw her had more of an understanding of her issues,
Speaker 1: her addiction issues, her eating disorder issues, and her volatility,
Speaker 1: her personality issues. I mean, Diana was volatile when we
Speaker 1: could talk. Well, we're not going to but there's been
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about why she was that way,
Speaker 1: but there's no denying she was incredibly difficult to deal with.
Speaker 1: And there's all these stories about her calling him up
Speaker 1: when he was away at school, like in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, and just unloading on him. My point being,
Speaker 1: he's got that older sibling understanding of his parents' troubled
Speaker 1: marriage and that he sees them both as human beings
Speaker 1: and adults, whereas Harry didn't. He had that little boy's
Speaker 1: understanding and he never outgrew it. And he's mad at
Speaker 1: Camilla and he's mad at his father, and listen, I
Speaker 1: would be too. Frankly, I'm not saying that's weird, but
Speaker 1: that's I'm just explaining the difference between them.
Speaker 2: They're very different, and they they knew they were going
Speaker 2: to take different path in life, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure Harry knew that until about
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, well because he's.
Speaker 2: An idiot, But but Harry knew, I'm going to be
Speaker 2: the king, and this is William new. I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: William knew and he said, this is my life now.
Speaker 2: And then he met someone married someone who is also
Speaker 2: dying to be the queen are you kidding me? I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just think get yelled, so I don't care.
Speaker 2: But that's that's that's their plan and and there work.
Speaker 2: They worked very hard for it on it. So that's
Speaker 2: that Harry was the crazy guy, young guy, loved to poorty,
Speaker 2: loved America, loved the United States and meet Hollywood people
Speaker 2: and people in the United States. And that's how he
Speaker 2: met Meghan.
Speaker 1: Before Meghan came into the picture, because we covered them.
Speaker 1: We used to cover them as a threesome. Harry, William
Speaker 1: and Catherine would go out together and do events together.
Speaker 1: And I think before Meghan, there was a big part
Speaker 1: of Harry that thought he was going to be like
Speaker 1: a It's very similar to Princess Margaret, where he thought
Speaker 1: he was going to be some sort of co monarch
Speaker 1: because he and his brother are clothes. And and then
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't Kate's arrival because he loved Kate.
Speaker 1: You could tell he adored Kate. It was Megan's arrival
Speaker 1: because Megan arrives and suddenly it's very codified that you
Speaker 1: were on a lower level and as the Queen was
Speaker 1: rapidly aging and they were getting closer and closer to
Speaker 1: that throne. This was all becoming much more pronounced and
Speaker 1: say what you want.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't deny the fact that, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: an actor and you're you're not British. I mean, of
Speaker 2: course people are going to look at her a different way.
Speaker 2: I mean they are no matter how hard she tried.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not. And we've talked about this and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to rehash it because I do think
Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan made some mistakes and how to integrate
Speaker 1: her into life to which she was completely unprepared.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying she didn't try it. I'm sure she
Speaker 2: tried very hard, Megan to fit in and to be
Speaker 2: part of the royal family. But no matter how hard
Speaker 2: you try, you're not British.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I think, and this is really well documented,
Speaker 1: especially with the women who marry into the family, they learn,
Speaker 1: whether they can accept it or not. Diana could not
Speaker 1: accept it that they are told early on, this is
Speaker 1: how limited you are, this is what you cannot do,
Speaker 1: this is how you have to act. And my understanding
Speaker 1: is that Megan wasn't fully briefed on all of that,
Speaker 1: and part of that is because Harry just didn't want
Speaker 1: to just you know, he thought he could. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They think they can change the system, and the system
Speaker 1: all always always slaps some days.
Speaker 2: I think they are and they were very naive about
Speaker 2: the whole thing. And you know, at least she has
Speaker 2: an excuse. She didn't grow up, you know, in that
Speaker 2: system he did, so I'm sure he went like, oh, honey,
Speaker 2: you'll be fine, You'll be fine. And she wasn't briefed
Speaker 2: well enough. She didn't get the support that she needed,
Speaker 2: so she you know, of course, she was going to
Speaker 2: make mistakes and not do what was expected.
Speaker 1: Also, I think her personality, yes, that's not well suited
Speaker 1: to it. And that's not a criticism of her, but
Speaker 1: she's the girl with binders.
Speaker 2: She does all her work.
Speaker 1: She shows up with ideas and meetings and agendas and
Speaker 1: that's great. But you cannot do that, buckingham ballas you
Speaker 1: absolutely that's not your role. You go where you're told,
Speaker 1: you say with the words that they write for you.
Speaker 1: That's it. I think it sucks. That's not a life
Speaker 1: I would want. But it was Harry's job. More importantly,
Speaker 1: it was Charles's job to make sure that she understood that.
Speaker 2: So that's why it didn't work. And had she married
Speaker 2: someone like William, maybe because then you have a whole
Speaker 2: system there to tell you this.
Speaker 1: Is how William would have married her.
Speaker 2: But my point is that you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 2: because day was prepped, then you would have a husband
Speaker 2: that understand that system, expect that system, and he would
Speaker 2: and he would tell your wife, you know, this is
Speaker 2: how we're going to do it, honey. No. You you
Speaker 2: married the crazy one who wanted to party all night.
Speaker 1: And and you know, and didn't think the rules of plan.
Speaker 2: No. Now, he thought that he could get away with it,
Speaker 2: right and he didn't. Yeah, and then when he had
Speaker 2: to give up everything to have the life he wanted
Speaker 2: with his wife, he regretted. I'm sorry, you can tell
Speaker 2: me whatever, but I'm that guy regretted everything.
Speaker 1: I don't think he regretted everything. I And again, we
Speaker 1: don't know these people, but I think there were times
Speaker 1: in their California life where he was really really happy.
Speaker 1: He loved the house, he loved raising those kids. There
Speaker 1: it was And I'm basing this off of social media
Speaker 1: things and videos and stuff like that, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they were faking. I do think it's harder. You know,
Speaker 1: someone like Harry Is who had such a sheltered life.
Speaker 1: I know he was well traveled and well educated, and
Speaker 1: he was a soldier and all of that, but come on,
Speaker 1: he was not someone who could stop being British or
Speaker 1: surrender his Britishness. And sometimes, and I did think sometimes
Speaker 1: that California was a mistake for them and they should
Speaker 1: have stayed in Canada because he could have kept a
Speaker 1: pseudo British social existence there, but California is. And then
Speaker 1: the other thing I thought was, if you had to
Speaker 1: do America, then you might have been better off in
Speaker 1: New York, which is more similar to London than la
Speaker 1: ever will be not let alone Montecito, California is it
Speaker 1: was a mistake because he was not suited to that
Speaker 1: that existence. I think he enjoyed it, but then I
Speaker 1: think it just didn't pay off for him. Everything was very.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when you grew up, we'd be befolding
Speaker 2: you underwear and cutting your meat and you know, and
Speaker 2: you know, preparing the bath for you. No, he ca'd change,
Speaker 2: you know, in twenty four hours. I'm sorry, Yeah, you cannot.
Speaker 2: So that's what happened there. I mean, I know they
Speaker 2: have houses everywhere. They have a house in Lisbon housing
Speaker 2: in anyway, It's not like his life was wasn't great
Speaker 2: in la but he wasn't the same and he missed
Speaker 2: his family. I'm sure he missed his family too.
Speaker 1: I think that was a really big part of it.
Speaker 1: Harry's this is what I mean, Harry's social life, Harry's
Speaker 1: family life. Harry's circle of friends was very very British.
Speaker 1: One of his favorite things to do is polo. And yes,
Speaker 1: I know they have a very good polo very good
Speaker 1: polo clubs all over the country, but especially in California.
Speaker 1: And I know he got to do that, but I
Speaker 1: doubt very much it was the same thing as playing
Speaker 1: with his mates, with the guys that he went to
Speaker 1: school with, or the cousins that he's known his whole life.
Speaker 1: That's he was never prepared for that kind of break.
Speaker 1: Some people aren't like Megan as an actress, As someone
Speaker 1: who was a little more traveled, he can bounce around
Speaker 1: and adjust to things. Although I think she found England impossible.
Speaker 1: Why don't we take a bit of a break, because
Speaker 1: now we have psychoanalyze Harry, and we let's talk about her.
Speaker 1: Why we think this is happening and what we think
Speaker 1: the next thing will be. So yeah, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: We're back talking about Prince Harry and Mega Markles shocking
Speaker 1: returned to the UK, which was just announced less than
Speaker 1: twenty four hours ago. So we are, and I should
Speaker 1: remind you of once again, we're not operating on a
Speaker 1: lot of information here. I did read as many reports
Speaker 1: as I could this morning, and for instance, one of
Speaker 1: them was there's this one story that's going around that
Speaker 1: King Charles only found out about this four days ago.
Speaker 1: But the story is sourced to the Sun, which is
Speaker 1: a total rag who hates Megan and Harry. And then
Speaker 1: it was picked up by page six in the New
Speaker 1: York Post, which is owned by Rupert Murdik, who also
Speaker 1: hates them. So this is the thing, when you look
Speaker 1: at any sort of reportage of these two, you really
Speaker 1: have to look at the source. So I don't know
Speaker 1: how much I believe some of the stories that are
Speaker 1: coming out about why they made this decision or how
Speaker 1: they made this.
Speaker 2: So I also read that the story broke he in
Speaker 2: the United States first, of that true that I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, I mean, yes, in American People magazine it
Speaker 1: was an exclusive for like an hour.
Speaker 2: And they were mad in England, you know, the family
Speaker 2: of royal family, because that's how they found out first.
Speaker 2: That's my er.
Speaker 1: I don't believe.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't say that at all.
Speaker 2: Way before that thing was published, they knew all about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Harry and Meghan have made a lot of
Speaker 1: mistakes and dealing with the family, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they would be that freaking stupid surprise we're moving back, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Harry visited his father and Meghan and the grandchildren earlier
Speaker 1: this summer, and there were some lovely pictures of them,
Speaker 1: like at Althorpe where his mother is buried, and you're.
Speaker 2: Not supposed to be published, by the way.
Speaker 1: You could sense the long and even and Meghan was
Speaker 1: the one who posted those pictures. So I in retrospect,
Speaker 1: I do think there were conversations happening. It's not just
Speaker 1: that Harry misses his mates. And we'll get into Megan
Speaker 1: because immediately it's all this discussion about Meghan's business opportunities
Speaker 1: and whether they paid off for her and everything like that,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that, but just put bluntly, Charles
Speaker 1: has cancer. He's in his late seventies, and I think
Speaker 1: that visit pulled up a lot of feelings in Harry.
Speaker 1: He did say a couple of days ago there was
Speaker 1: a statement that came out where he said he was
Speaker 1: going to be returning to England on a regular basis
Speaker 1: over every couple of months. And when I read that
Speaker 1: statement a couple days ago, and listen, this is just
Speaker 1: me talking. I have no inside information. I'm not claiming
Speaker 1: this to be true. But when I read that a
Speaker 1: couple days ago, I was like, oh, man, Charles must
Speaker 1: be in really bad shape. And this that was my
Speaker 1: first thought with this. Yes, their businesses are not doing great.
Speaker 1: Yes Harry misses his mates, but his father is elderly
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say he's dying, but he's
Speaker 1: in he has a serious condition.
Speaker 2: And I would think that I I think that would
Speaker 2: be a much smarter move to just go visit every
Speaker 2: now and then, as opposed to move. I don't think
Speaker 2: this movie is gonna go well at all. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is not no, It's just going to escalate. It's
Speaker 2: just going to get worse and worse by the minute.
Speaker 2: The press is going to go after her again, go
Speaker 2: after them again, and now the children are there. This
Speaker 2: is my thing. I'm like, go ahead, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is not good at all. And again naive guy
Speaker 2: decides to move back without really thinking, this is not
Speaker 2: a good decision. If you want to visit your grandfather
Speaker 2: every every two months, I'm sorry, father, I mean.
Speaker 1: Take your money.
Speaker 2: Just go fly first class, exactly, Go go all the time.
Speaker 2: Take the children, you know, take the Megan, take everybody.
Speaker 2: You don't even had to take pictures and make it public.
Speaker 2: Just make it private, you know, no anyway, but no,
Speaker 2: you decide to move.
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine. Now that's not gonna goast be in
Speaker 1: her throat. Listen, she documented, They both documented the poor
Speaker 1: treatment of her by the press over there. I'm not
Speaker 1: evenna talk about the family stuff because I don't even
Speaker 1: know how true any of that is. But the it's
Speaker 1: well documented that she was on there, and it continued.
Speaker 1: They moved to America and they still published stories about
Speaker 1: them every single day anytime any of the either of
Speaker 1: them did anything. Did you know with the Invictus Games
Speaker 1: or her documentary or her you know, they they came
Speaker 1: out with the most vicious shit. They are known for it.
Speaker 1: They are infamous for it. And my first thought, well,
Speaker 1: I kind of guessed when the first report came out
Speaker 1: because it included the sentence that their children were already
Speaker 1: ruled in schools. And I'm like, Megan, really, really you are, like,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that you're like excited about enrolling your
Speaker 1: children into the system that you fled and very publicly
Speaker 1: claimed on an international level was hugely racist.
Speaker 2: Do you just those who have learned nothing and they
Speaker 2: love to play royal family?
Speaker 1: No, we'll get into that, but I don't believe that
Speaker 1: to be true at all. I don't think, well, we'll
Speaker 1: get into it now. I don't believe they're doing anything royal.
Speaker 1: I don't think the family will allow it. I don't
Speaker 1: think Charles will allow it, and I really don't think
Speaker 1: they want it.
Speaker 2: No, they want to be royal without working.
Speaker 1: Well, there's about the glass of people in England, upper
Speaker 1: class aristocratic people in which they can live and I mean, like,
Speaker 1: Eugenie's not a working royal, Beatrice isn't a working world.
Speaker 1: They'll do fine. I think he does miss his family,
Speaker 1: but I get like the I mean, I whatever, but
Speaker 1: I hope her children are treated well. That would scare
Speaker 1: the shit out of me to enroll my I mean,
Speaker 1: they had security issues, they had publicity issues, Okay, and
Speaker 1: then I want to bring this up. The timing of
Speaker 1: this is so strange to me because the British press
Speaker 1: is right now being coming in for international criticism and
Speaker 1: currently tearing itself apart over the death of Cambridge professor Jason,
Speaker 1: aren't they who is was a black man who the
Speaker 1: press hounded tremendously until he killed himself. And I'm not
Speaker 1: getting into that case at all. But the whole country
Speaker 1: is buzzing with the idea that the British press is
Speaker 1: feral and racist and tries to destroy lives. And here's
Speaker 1: Megan enrolling her kids in school. I don't get. I
Speaker 1: don't This is why I think Charles must be in
Speaker 1: a bad way, because that is honestly the only reason
Speaker 1: I can see her agreeing to Okay, let's go with that.
Speaker 2: He's dying and they want to come back. Big mistake
Speaker 2: because he's because if he die, things are going to
Speaker 2: get even worse because William is going to be the
Speaker 2: king and he want to be an asshole about those two.
Speaker 1: Now, he'll probably reconcile with him because of the pr
Speaker 1: I mean, it might not be true behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: but publicly they'll probably reconcile.
Speaker 2: Moving is a is a bad choice.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be in a royal residence, which
Speaker 1: is good a good idea, and evidently they have not
Speaker 1: asked for security, which is also a good idea. Again,
Speaker 1: making all of this sound kind of urgent and dire
Speaker 1: is the fact that Harry just lost his court case
Speaker 1: in the UK against the media and is going to
Speaker 1: owe like forty five pounds or something. And now, listen,
Speaker 1: he's probably good for it. Like I don't think, I
Speaker 1: really don't think they're struggling.
Speaker 2: With Are you kidding me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But again, all of these things add up to this
Speaker 1: would not be a good idea right now, and that's
Speaker 1: why I think Charles must be in bad shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I don't understand why they're moving. They
Speaker 2: have a house in La gorgeous house, they have a
Speaker 2: lot house in Lisbon. Why do you have to move?
Speaker 2: Just keep traveling? I guess, just well, go see your
Speaker 2: family every now and then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are your kids in schools or something, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, what is the reason to move aside from
Speaker 2: the family it's not like this family is, you know,
Speaker 2: watching TV and.
Speaker 1: Has social group. His whole social group, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, he even if he moves, he's going to
Speaker 2: see his father once a week. I would be.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about her business, her businesses. So I
Speaker 1: looked it up and yes, because you have to wade
Speaker 1: through a lot of gossip, but it does appear to
Speaker 1: be true that as Ever is not as sort of
Speaker 1: Sun Dialing as a company. She hasn't been doing much
Speaker 1: work with it. There hasn't been much in the way
Speaker 1: of sales. There's been no new product rollouts or anything.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like that's probably not happening for her.
Speaker 1: She is nominated for an Emmy currently as an Emmy
Speaker 1: nominee because of her show on Netflix. Netflix did not
Speaker 1: produce another season of the show, but supposedly she's coming
Speaker 1: back for specials. I don't know if that's still happened. Granted,
Speaker 1: if she did a special from some English cottage, yeah,
Speaker 1: the numbers on that would be pretty fucking oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's the plan.
Speaker 2: Her Lovely Garden and herbs in the UK, But.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I don't know what. I don't know that
Speaker 1: Harry and Megan actually have to work. I mean, I
Speaker 1: really don't know if that's the case. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much money they had, but there's all this talk
Speaker 1: about there whatever. But I don't know. Maybe they're just
Speaker 1: gonna come back and just be you know, lazy aristocrats
Speaker 1: because that's the only life he knows. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But again, I just want to say, the press is
Speaker 1: going after her because they're so freaking obsessed with her,
Speaker 1: and I don't really think this has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with her. I think she's trying to keep her
Speaker 1: crazy husband happy and she's agreeing to things. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know her, but I cannot imagine.
Speaker 2: This is a very move because it's not gonna go well.
Speaker 2: Let's aside from the press. This is not gonna go
Speaker 2: well because he has a bad relationship with his brother.
Speaker 2: He bedmouths the whole family to Oprah so and the book,
Speaker 2: so I mean he he said horrible things about the family,
Speaker 2: so he has to deal with the family issues, you know,
Speaker 2: before anything else. So I don't think that's gonna go
Speaker 2: well moving back, and the press is going to destroy them,
Speaker 2: both of them, and then they're gonna be the press.
Speaker 2: So there's gonna be this vicious cycle.
Speaker 1: I mean, I need some sort of sign that something's
Speaker 1: going to be different this time. Did you hire someone
Speaker 1: to handle this show?
Speaker 2: Are you doing?
Speaker 1: Or you just flying back and buying a place and
Speaker 1: thinking it's I just I wish them well, I really do,
Speaker 1: but I have a really hard time saying how this
Speaker 1: works out well for them. I need to remind folks
Speaker 1: because a lot of times Americans don't know this. Megan
Speaker 1: fans don't know this. They are extremely unpopular with the public.
Speaker 1: They are especially She's probably one of the least popular
Speaker 1: public fingers in the UK.
Speaker 2: Because she's not playing the game.
Speaker 1: And if they come back and start playing the game,
Speaker 1: she'll be criticized for being insincere or faking it or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I mean, how Kate feels about all that.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, well she's gonna smile all the way through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they tried to land a couple of blows
Speaker 1: on her, which was not a good idea.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, that woman is one step away from
Speaker 2: becoming the queen. She is gonna behave you know? Wait?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course she is. But I don't see
Speaker 1: them making appearances together or anything like that.
Speaker 2: She will do anything necessary. And that's the thing about
Speaker 2: those two. Say what you want about those two, but
Speaker 2: they know what they have to do. This guy is
Speaker 2: completely lost.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's a family history of second siblings being
Speaker 1: completely lost because they don't take care of them.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It is the system that let him down, It is
Speaker 1: his family let him down.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the major problem with this royal family is
Speaker 2: that they learn nothing, and they learn nothing. They learn
Speaker 2: nothing from history, their own history, and they don't feel
Speaker 2: like they need to change anything.
Speaker 1: No, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they just do with it. Yeah they did,
Speaker 2: or ignore it, ignore it. Yeah, but that's it.
Speaker 1: No change, and that's whatsoever in essence, that's what Harry's doing.
Speaker 1: He's like, we're just going to move forward and ignore
Speaker 1: everything that that I said and that I did and
Speaker 1: that I felt, and we'll just.
Speaker 2: He does he really think that he can?
Speaker 1: Well, actually, yes, If Harry and Meghan moved back and
Speaker 1: keep their freaking mouth shut for a good year or so,
Speaker 1: the family will warm up to them. Stay out of
Speaker 1: the press, don't get that going to happen. Don't have
Speaker 1: no gossip nothing. If you stay out of it, the
Speaker 1: family will warm.
Speaker 2: Up to you are you kidding me. I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: Photarget's already camped.
Speaker 1: Well, they can't family not to blame them for that
Speaker 1: going out and giving interviews and statements. They Oh, even
Speaker 1: the family can't blame Megan for being, you know, a paparazzi.
Speaker 2: No, the press is going to get very bad. They're
Speaker 2: going to go after the kids, take pictures of the
Speaker 2: kids getting out of school, all that, and then Harry
Speaker 2: is going to come out and make a statement about.
Speaker 1: If he's smart. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: If he's smart, he's not smart.
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping they learned something in all this time,
Speaker 1: and if he's coming back, I really hope, like supposedly,
Speaker 1: Harry is very close with Beatrice and Eugenie that has
Speaker 1: remained close to them all this time, and I really
Speaker 1: hope those two are working on them and saying listen,
Speaker 1: because listen, they are Andrew's daughters. If there's anything they know,
Speaker 1: it's how to just ride out something and keep your
Speaker 1: mouth shut. I just wish someone in the family would
Speaker 1: tell him this, just shut up, because that is the
Speaker 1: only thing that family values in its members, is the
Speaker 1: fact that they don't say anything to anybody about anything.
Speaker 1: That is like their number one ethos, right, and Harry
Speaker 1: just never understood that. So if they move back, I
Speaker 1: really hope they shut them up. Just shut up, you know,
Speaker 1: tend to your garden, you know, get your kids in school,
Speaker 1: play polo, and I guess they're gonna do well. Obviously
Speaker 1: he's gonna do Invictus and stuff like that. But for
Speaker 1: her sake, for her sake, honey, just tend to your
Speaker 1: garden and bake your cookies. Like I'm sorry, at least
Speaker 1: for the first year, stay out of it.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen. I know it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: She's gonna want to do like charitable stuff, and that
Speaker 1: shit doesn't fly with the family. They don't like when
Speaker 1: they're doing these pseudo royal because that's.
Speaker 2: Pseudor oyal shit. And they do that because they don't
Speaker 2: want the responsibility. And I understand, but cut the fucking cord.
Speaker 1: There's other ways to do charitable work. You don't have
Speaker 1: to do public facing charitable work, and that's the kind
Speaker 1: of stuff that they like to do, you know. And well,
Speaker 1: all right, I think we've beaten this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not gonna go well. And I finally and Honestly,
Speaker 2: I find the whole and gross because it's like, these
Speaker 2: people have so much money, you built this enormous housing
Speaker 2: in Italy. He spent all this well whatever they bought
Speaker 2: the house or whatever, spent money creating that palace with
Speaker 2: with fake gardens and then and fake herbs, and then
Speaker 2: she they she and you know, they go back. She
Speaker 2: decides that okay, he decides that okay, and then they
Speaker 2: all go and leave everything behind. What they're not selling
Speaker 2: the house. Apparently they're keeping the house because they know
Speaker 2: they're gonna come back.
Speaker 1: Because I think they're just there on hospice watch. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I hate to say that because that's really it, but
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think that's it. They They are
Speaker 1: acting exactly like estranged members of a dying family member
Speaker 1: would act. That's that's it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I know, I know Charles is out making public appearances,
Speaker 1: and I you know, it looks like Charles.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: But then again, cancer doesn't always have a visible, you know, component,
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 2: Can't trust his family at all.
Speaker 1: I mean they but yeah, my thinking is all of
Speaker 1: the that it's weird. It doesn't entirely make sense. It
Speaker 1: kind of contradicts everything. They said, before all of that
Speaker 1: gets explained by Charles is in really big shape, as.
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts said, very wisely, ones big mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big mistake, all right. So love to hear your
Speaker 1: thoughts on this, except for the ones where you want
Speaker 1: to yell at us, but I guess you're allowed to
Speaker 1: say that stuff too, huh. And we'll be back actually
Speaker 1: tomorrow with the Bitterkit Movie Club podcast. We're watching Wuthering Heights,
Speaker 1: so please go watch that tonight so you can follow
Speaker 1: along with us tomorrow, and then we'll be back next
Speaker 1: week with whatever crosses ours across our desk. Until then,
Speaker 1: take care of yourselves, love you mean it.
Speaker 2: By bye,