WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.000 We're Tom and Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style 2 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:28.480 Opinion Fest. Hell, look, welcome back to another edition of 3 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:30.519 the Pso I'm the Tea and you're te Lo. Tom 4 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:32.359 Fitzgerald and I'm here with the Low and you're Telo 5 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:36.280 Lorenzo because my lovely husband, yay, And we did not 6 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:38.359 think we were doing a podcast this week. In fact, 7 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:40.560 we announced that we weren't doing a podcast this week 8 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.799 because Lorenzo had hand surgery. Yeah, I mean nothing, No, 9 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:46.000 you're fine. 10 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.159 Yeah, it's it's well, apparently you. 11 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.719 Were perked up for a couple of days, got his percocets, 12 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:52.359 and I was like, you know what, let's just take 13 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:52.640 the week. 14 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:57.159 It's a trigger finger pretty much. Yeah, and so it's 15 00:00:57.240 --> 00:00:59.359 it's a quick surgery, same day surgery. 16 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:01.799 I had this same issue about five or six years ago. 17 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:02.759 I'm sorry, go ahead now. 18 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.159 I postponed for a long time because you know, you 19 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:08.760 can start by just doing exercises and then if that 20 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:12.480 doesn't work, then you move on to injections and then 21 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.640 finally surgery. So I was like, I don't need this finger. 22 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:20.599 So it was pinky finger. Yeah. We people don't know 23 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.519 that blogging is hell on your body. Sometimes. And I 24 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:27.040 had the same issue about six years ago. I had 25 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:30.200 multiple trigger fingers after I and by that I mean 26 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:33.879 your hands, your fingers curl up, you can't uncleane them. 27 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.280 And that was after writing Legendary Children. And it's you know, 28 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:39.920 you spend all day clicking on a mouse and typing, 29 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.400 and at a certain point your hands say that's enough. 30 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.040 So but in my case, I never needed surgery. I 31 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:48.799 first I got the injections, and then they gave me 32 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.000 exercises and splints to wear, so it never got But 33 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:53.040 you ignored it. 34 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:55.760 Well, I ignored everything. And mine got so bad to 35 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:57.760 the point that if I wash my face, I would 36 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.799 like pull my face with my finger. It's tough. I 37 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:03.519 couldn't put my MICUs. Yeah, I couldn't put my hand 38 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.280 in the pocket anymore without you know, too much trouble. 39 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.680 And then and I was in airports, I was like, 40 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:11.639 how am I going to do skin my hand? Now? 41 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.000 I don't want to have to explain to the agent 42 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.919 every time we look at my finger. Anyway, so I 43 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.240 had surgery. Everything is fine. I can't go to the gym, 44 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:24.759 but I will wait, you know, and then remove all 45 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:25.680 the ditches next week. 46 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:29.759 Anyway, Yes, and I'm fin Lorenzo's fine. But anyway, he 47 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:31.840 got up this morning, I had already been up for 48 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:35.759 an hour and I was like, look, honey, Harry and 49 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:39.039 Meghan podcasts always do numbers for us. And Harry and 50 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.879 Meghan just announced the bombshell announcement that they are returning 51 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:47.639 to London, returning to England to live, and we are 52 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.199 going to talk about that. We have many, many, many 53 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.159 thoughts about that. But we also had on the back 54 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.879 burner we were planning and then we canceled this week's podcast. 55 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:59.159 We were planning to talk about another thing about which 56 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:02.039 we are both a little hot at the moment, which 57 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:07.159 is well, it's first the news that Nicholas Holt has 58 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:09.479 taken a role in the Bear in the Harry Potter 59 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:14.439 a TV series, a TV series, and that's just a disappointment. 60 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:18.280 And also actress Belle Pally, who was already cast in 61 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:22.919 the in the series, just gave it bullshit answer. I'm 62 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.120 going to toss to you because you have all the facts. However, 63 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.400 let me just in case people don't know, because honestly, 64 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:30.599 I was talking to a family member recently and they 65 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.560 just don't know about j K Rowling. But you know, 66 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.120 it's not permeating past people who really pay attention to 67 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:38.919 or who care about trains people. 68 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.240 Because there's a lot of denial out there. So J. K. 69 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.560 Rowling, who is a billionaire made a billion dollars as 70 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.879 the author of Harry Potter, has spent the last more 71 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:51.960 than half decade, it's pretty much close to a decade 72 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:58.039 at this point, speaking out against transgender people and in 73 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:03.360 really really bigoted ways and leading entire social movements against 74 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:08.520 trans people in England in the UK, and also using 75 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.840 her money to fund anti trans legislation, some of which 76 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:17.319 has already gotten passed. And she is very very open 77 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:20.560 that about the fact that she will use any money 78 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:24.439 she makes to fight the scourge of trans people. 79 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:29.600 Yeah, she has a fund. There's a website. Yeah, I'm 80 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.720 not going to mention the name. But anyway, she has 81 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.120 a site and a fund that you know, if you 82 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.560 need any help, you know, suing a transperson, talk to her. Anyway. 83 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.360 The thing with this issue is that if you follow 84 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.360 the news about this, you've been following the news about this. 85 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.639 It started very mild with her just going like, well, 86 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:49.439 trans people have the right to be out there. 87 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.639 That's trans rhetoric. Generally in the last decade. 88 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:54.079 But then but you know women, and it was always 89 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:58.720 this very mild, very gentle conversation about trans people, and 90 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.399 then it kept increasing increasing in getting worse and worse, 91 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.199 AND's to the point that she's full blown against trans people. 92 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:09.639 And just everything hits when you're like on social media 93 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.839 and you find it happens on the right wing all 94 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.120 the time. They find out that they can get It's 95 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.360 the same thing. Listen, he was never a good person, 96 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.240 but you can watch Elon Musk in the last ten years. 97 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:21.240 He just went completely insane online. 98 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.040 When you find the support, when you see people you 99 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:29.040 know gathering and saying you're right, you know, you go, girl, 100 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.240 you know right, we're right, We're behind you, and these 101 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.319 people are horrible, and then you know, and you have 102 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.800 the money, because that's the issue. She has the money 103 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.199 and not a lot of it people a lot of 104 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.360 it to Spain. And she said it, and I quote her, 105 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.079 she doesn't care about her legacy. She said that I'm 106 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.639 going to be dead anyway, and I'm quoting here here. 107 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:49.040 She doesn't care. 108 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:51.279 She thinks she's fighting the good fight. 109 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.040 Right, And that's what people do. I mean when they 110 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.759 put something in their head, they you know, they think 111 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.879 that's that's that's what they need to do, that's their mission. 112 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.680 And when you have the money, then that's the problem here. 113 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:09.079 And you know, so she's so there's and I understand 114 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.920 her books. I never read her books. I was never 115 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:14.680 interested in any of her books. It's not my thing. 116 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:19.759 And but I understand that her books are very very 117 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:21.120 popular the whole franchise. 118 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:24.720 They are very important to an entire generation, and. 119 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:27.600 People will love the books. So it's very hard for 120 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:29.800 people to say, you know, no to the books, no 121 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:33.199 to all that, and then you know and not support her. 122 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:37.519 And I was so disappointed with Nicholas Halton and Baille 123 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.160 Palley because I like both. I like both as actors. 124 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:42.920 She had already taken the role though she's But. 125 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.240 I was disappointed with the statement because I have the statement, 126 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.319 and I'll talk about it in a minute. My point 127 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.279 is that I understand, and I was very angry on 128 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.079 Instagram and I posted something, I usually don't talk about 129 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:55.839 this woman at all because I don't want to talk 130 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.560 about her. Yes, I don't want to talk about her 131 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.160 because the more you talk about her, the you know, 132 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:07.360 the more Champagne bottles she opened and celebrates. So I 133 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:08.759 so I didn't want to talk about it, but I 134 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:12.000 was very disappointed with Paley because she she came out 135 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:13.079 with the statement. 136 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:13.399 I can read it. 137 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.480 I haven't read now to read, so you go ahead 138 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:16.000 and read it. 139 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.600 I strongly disagree with JK. Rowling's views on gender. I 140 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:23.519 think that the trans community deserves safety and dignity and 141 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:28.639 respect and total acceptance. All good, but like she follows 142 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.240 it up with a butt. But I love Harry Potter. 143 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:33.199 I grew up with the books. I am from that 144 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:35.560 for there should not be a butt in that statement. 145 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:37.759 I am from that first generation of readers. And again 146 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.360 I love magic and spookiness, okay more than trans people. 147 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.959 I guess there shouldn't be a statement at all because. 148 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.439 Yeah, take your money and just go home. 149 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.199 As I said on Instagram, these people should just take 150 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:51.079 the money and shut their mouths because a statement like 151 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.240 that doesn't have It makes me even angrier because you're 152 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:58.040 saying that trans people should have all the acceptance when 153 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.240 when you taking money from someone she's the executive producer 154 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.600 on the show. Yeah, you're taking money from someone who's 155 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.600 saying that trans people have no rights. So you can't 156 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:06.879 have it. 157 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.480 You can't say I love and support trans people and 158 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.319 then follow that up with but yes. 159 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.439 And my disappointment was, you know, I mean, you can 160 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.199 say John Liso did the same thing, but he's an 161 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:17.920 old geezer. 162 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.639 You know, he still should know better. He's lay a train. 163 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:22.959 I get it, I get it, but you know, I'm 164 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:25.879 more disappointed with this younger generation of you know, like, 165 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.519 these people are young. Come on. 166 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:31.079 And the thing about Nicholas Holt that is really really 167 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:35.960 disappointing is he's not some B list act right, You're 168 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.559 making Superman movies at this point. You are a list. 169 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.039 You were pulling major checks and you're not even gonna 170 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:44.960 be playing I mean, if if he was playing like 171 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.600 Voldemort or something like that, I'm like, well, I guess 172 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.759 an actor camp. But he's playing not a minor character, 173 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:53.840 but definitely a bee character. Why why are you taking 174 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.279 this money? Why are you doing this? 175 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.639 I understand, you know, I'm not accepting these people to 176 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.720 be very aggressive about their views and politics, like Javier 177 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:05.799 bor Danfritxam who says, I don't care about my career anymore. 178 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:08.200 This is this is my mission, this is my view, 179 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:10.159 which is you know, do. 180 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.840 You ironically, that's what JK Rowling says. But it's working 181 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:13.279 well for. 182 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:17.159 Her, right, So I understand, But you can't just say 183 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.600 no to one one thing. I mean, you have you 184 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:21.919 already have a ton of money. I understand if you're young, 185 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.279 starting your career, this is your first project or whatever. 186 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.399 Kids those kids should not be blamed for taking those roles. 187 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:31.360 I agree. And but you know it's HBO is a 188 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.600 major project you starting your career. I can understand. I 189 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:38.679 don't accept it, but I understand. But and that's my 190 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.159 thing on Instagram, I even said, because you know, you 191 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.960 say something on Instagram and then people come back with 192 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:48.039 something completely different to fight you back. So I said, listen, 193 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.279 I understand. I'm not asking you to burn the books 194 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.679 or or you know, forget that you like these books 195 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.320 whatever you have them, you bought them. That was before 196 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.879 she went completely nuts. I get that part. But supporting 197 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:00.120 any new project it. 198 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:04.759 Makes her money. Yeah, that's the point. It makes her money. 199 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:08.039 Right knowing what what what what her position is right now, 200 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.799 and you still support her because you love the books. 201 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.080 That's you know, you just give the money to, you know, 202 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:19.440 to the wrong people. And so when when actors accept 203 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:22.039 a project like that, I think they should just accept it, 204 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:25.200 shut up, and you know, hope that people will forget 205 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.639 about Well when you come out with statements like that, uh, 206 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.039 it's just bullshit. It's bullshit. You just calling me stupid 207 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.039 that you know it's why. 208 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:40.360 And it also, I mean, it helps reinforce I'm not 209 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.799 naive about this, but it's it's sometimes good to be reminded. 210 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:48.519 Celebrities are not moral, right, should not look for moral guidance. 211 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.720 They're not moral actors, and many of them are far 212 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:55.919 far far more involved with their careers and making money 213 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.200 than they are in any social justice sort of ideas. 214 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.480 So and people on the left, actually both sides do this, 215 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.759 tend to uphold any celebrity that they feel as their 216 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.120 same values. And it's like, you know what, you have 217 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.840 no idea if these people even have values. 218 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.039 It's very hard. Like I sometimes I post on Instagram 219 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.000 like I say I adore this actor or whatever, and 220 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.480 I'm like, I sometimes I check. I'm like, all right, 221 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:22.639 is this versa clean? Yeah? 222 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.279 I'm really worry about that sort of. 223 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:27.000 I know. It's just like because people come back and say, 224 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:28.919 you know, you're supporting someone who blah blah blah blah 225 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.519 blah blah blah, and I understand, but at the same time, 226 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:32.919 it's like, God, you can't. 227 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:34.919 No, I actually am. I meant that differently. I'm like, 228 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.639 I'm really wary of elevating yes people too much or 229 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.159 claiming to love someone that I'm like, no, I love 230 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:45.679 your work. I love but I don't know you. 231 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:47.200 Now when I say adore you or I love you, 232 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.720 and I make sure to point out what roles and 233 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.480 movies or whatever I mean the work. But even so 234 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:54.679 people still come back and say, you know, you should 235 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.399 not talking about this person because blah blah blah blah. 236 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.039 And I get it. But at the same time, we 237 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:06.039 have directors like the Ali Pencu, the director of Black Mirror. 238 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.480 She came out posted on an Instagram that she was 239 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.200 invited to direct the series and she said, haf no 240 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:17.159 uh to transphobia and youth that you can say no 241 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.840 and you know we're not talking about I mean, she's 242 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.200 a famous director, but you know it's not like some 243 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.200 mega mega mega multi's. 244 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:27.559 Not making the money Nicholas Hold is making. 245 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:30.039 Right exactly so, but and she said no, not the one. 246 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.960 The low key director Kate Herron also said no, you 247 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:39.559 can say no, you know, and you're not gonna miss rent. No. 248 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:42.879 I mean it's just like, come on, but I think 249 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.759 but that's that's how Yeah, that's that says a lot 250 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.240 about celebrities. That says a lot about the entertainment Indian 251 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.840 and actors and directors in general. They sometimes just can't 252 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:55.519 help themselves to want the attention, to want you know, 253 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.000 more and more and more and and and if it 254 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:02.120 doesn't affect you direct then yeah, they don't care. 255 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.919 They don't care. We will not be covering the Harry 256 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.120 Potter Show, and we will not. I did joke about 257 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.919 this that I we would cover the Red Carpet, but 258 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:15.919 all the captions would be links to trans organizations. But 259 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:17.440 and people are like, oh, you should do it, you 260 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.240 should do it, but that would require us purchasing the pictures, 261 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:23.120 and that just sends a message that oh, this is right, 262 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:25.960 these are hot. We you know, No, we're not going 263 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.000 to that is no. We've all often said that it's 264 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:32.480 our job to cover things, and sometimes we're going to 265 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.679 cover people like Johnny Depp or whatever who were just problematic, asshole, 266 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:40.360 Brad Pitt whomever. But this is this is on a 267 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:43.600 different level than that. I'm not suggesting, you know, Johnny 268 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.960 Depp and Brad Pitt are supposed to are accused, credibly 269 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:52.360 accused domestic abusers. I am not, you know, whitewashing that 270 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.279 at all. But when you are leading a social movement 271 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:59.200 to destroy lives, that's that's on a different level. And 272 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:00.799 I really cannot support it. 273 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.759 And people were saying, they say, I mean the stuff 274 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:05.799 I read online. I mean there was some guy on 275 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:08.600 Instagram saying, well, I'm gay and my kids loved the book. 276 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:14.679 I was like, all right, that kind of statement. And 277 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.559 also people saying left and right, you know, we should 278 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:20.120 be able to separate the art from the you know. 279 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:21.279 Or but she's not doing. 280 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:21.759 JK. 281 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.360 Ralling has made it perfectly clear her art is fueling 282 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.159 her big Atrice, So she's making it a connection. 283 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.200 It's one thing when you have a point of view 284 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:32.240 and you collecting out that money and you keeping in 285 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:37.000 your bank, But when you going out there and saying 286 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:38.559 I'm using this money. 287 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:43.080 Right, it's not it's her point of view. I am 288 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.679 one hundred sure that we cover celebrities on the regular 289 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.919 who are probably transphobic, of course, and I would bet 290 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.159 that we have probably covered a few that have actually 291 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:57.240 said things publicly that are transphobic. But again, this isn't 292 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:59.519 about JK. Rowling's view. She's allowed to have them as 293 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.000 we're you know, as repulsive as I find them. Like 294 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.440 I said, she's using her money to fund a social 295 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.559 movement to destroy the lives of trans people. So that's 296 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:13.320 on a whole another you cannot separate. She's using the 297 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.639 money from her art to do this, and you cannot 298 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:17.000 separate the art from the artist, and. 299 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:22.080 That you you she's using the weapon that causes more 300 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.440 damage than anything else, which is money. Money. 301 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:26.840 Yeah, and that's the problem all our billionaires decided in 302 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:28.759 the last ten years. You know what, let's take off 303 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:30.840 the guardrails. We're rich, we can do whatever the fuck 304 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:31.320 we want. 305 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.120 Absolutely So anyway, it's very disappointing. I'm sure there's gonna 306 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:38.279 be more disappointment coming, but it is what it is. 307 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.279 I'm just not gonna take your statement, and I'm gonna 308 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.600 call it out. You know, I'm gonna say it's bullshit. 309 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.720 Agreed to our trans siblings, we stand with you, To 310 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.000 our trans a non binary siblings, we stand with you. 311 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:53.320 Trans arts are human rights, and we will speak out 312 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.320 against this shit when we have the platform to do so. 313 00:15:57.720 --> 00:15:59.120 All right, we're gonna take a short break and then 314 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.159 we're gonna come back and talk about another Harry. 315 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:02.879 You'll be right back. 316 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:09.399 We're back, And I'm pretty sure you probably skipped that 317 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.600 whole first fifteen minutes to get to this part. I 318 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:12.360 hope you didn't. 319 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.360 But it's all over the news. 320 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.600 It's of course all over the news that Prince Harry 321 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.320 and Meghan Markle are or I'm sorry, Prince Harry and 322 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.200 Meghan Sussex, the Duke and duchesses, whatever you want to 323 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.039 call them. They are moving back to the UK after 324 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.200 six years. They've fled in twenty twenty because they felt 325 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:35.320 that their family life, their security and their public reputation 326 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.600 was just constantly at risk or being trashed. 327 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:44.320 And I guess and they were attacking his wife, you know. 328 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.080 Yeah, they had a really bad, bad time of it 329 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.799 after they got married in the UK. And there is 330 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:55.399 blame to be had all around, but I personally placed 331 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:56.840 a lot of them. Well, most of the blame is 332 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.440 on the British media, of course, and some blame is 333 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.759 on that family. This is again one of those conversations 334 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.400 where I don't know these people, and I'm never going 335 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:06.759 to know these people, and anything you get about how 336 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:10.240 they are behind closed doors is very very filtered and 337 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.440 usually through people that have agendas. Not only that, but 338 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.960 much of our understanding of who these people are is 339 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.920 based not on stuff from behind closed doors, but from 340 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.599 royal I'm using scare quotes here, royal commentators who just 341 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.240 talk about if you read the People magazine report, because 342 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:31.920 they were the first one to break it exclusively, there 343 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.680 were like six different sentences that started off. People understands that, 344 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:40.160 meaning I can't quote anyone, I don't have any direct reference, 345 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:44.400 but someone surmised that this is what's going on. That 346 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:48.279 is the gist of so much royal commenting, and listen, 347 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:51.680 that's what we're doing. But I'm not pretending like I 348 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:53.359 have insider information. 349 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:54.119 Right that this is a fact. 350 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.319 Yeah, we have always talked about the Royals based on, 351 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:02.880 you know, what is publicly available, mixed with some skepticism 352 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:04.920 about the gossip and that sort of thing, and that's 353 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:09.240 pretty much how we're treating this. So I want to 354 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.720 first off say kudos to Lorenzo because I believe one 355 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.400 of the time last few times we talked about Harry 356 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:16.480 and Meghan. You said he's going to move home. He's 357 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:18.440 going to move home, and I said it, and I 358 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:20.640 remember saying, I don't think so. I think he loves 359 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:21.359 his life here. 360 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.240 No, I mean recently. I mean, I know for the 361 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:25.799 past I don't know six months. 362 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.000 I just want to say there has been a change, 363 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:29.319 change in the last six months. 364 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:31.680 Every time he gives an interview, he talks about missing 365 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:36.400 you know, Great Britain, London or whatever, his life back there. 366 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:39.680 He talks a lot about that. So I saw that 367 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.880 coming and I'm sure he didn't do it any sooner 368 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:48.359 because of her, probably, you know, probably because Megan doesn't 369 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:49.000 want to do it. 370 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:55.119 Well, I mean, there's that I do want to start off, well, 371 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.119 we've already started up. I do want to interject here 372 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.000 and say that, and you agree with We talked about 373 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.200 this ahead of time that ninety percent of what happens 374 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.240 in their marriage and the things that they do, like 375 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:06.640 leaving and going back, and the way they deal with 376 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.160 his family and everything, that's him, but everybody blames it 377 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:14.279 on her. We've talked about this before. Harry's issues with 378 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:16.640 his family and with the British press and with the 379 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:21.200 British public are very well documented. He has come right 380 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:24.079 out and said these things even before he left the country. 381 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:26.880 He is met about what happened to his mother and 382 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:31.839 he blames not wrongly, the media, his father, his family 383 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:33.400 and the British public. 384 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:37.039 He's had issues way before they got married, way before 385 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.359 he met that ever since he had walked behind her 386 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:40.440 coffin exactly. 387 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.400 And the only reason, well, there's a lot of reasons 388 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:45.920 why William doesn't have the same issues. Number one being. 389 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:47.160 He's going to be the king. 390 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:48.480 He's going to be the king, and he knew he 391 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:50.599 had to surrender all of this, like you weren't going 392 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:53.839 to get a chance to rebel. But second, and this 393 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.039 is this, This is from reading between the lines. This 394 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.599 is from just you know, it is from gossip, It 395 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.079 is from royal insider stuff. But my understanding is that 396 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:08.319 when Diana was alive, William, as the older, more responsible son, 397 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:13.839 saw a lot of stuff and saw the way she acted, 398 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:18.839 saw her had more of an understanding of her issues, 399 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.200 her addiction issues, her eating disorder issues, and her volatility, 400 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:26.160 her personality issues. I mean, Diana was volatile when we 401 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.480