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Speaker 1: Chatter stat tata ita.

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Speaker 2: I want my way home. I can't break you. I

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want my way home. Can't break to save. I want

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my way home. Can't break to see. I won't my

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way home. Can't breaker see, I won't my way home.

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Can't breaker see. I want my way home. Camp break

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to save. I want my way home. Tamp break to see.

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Speaker 3: The game.

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Speaker 4: Changes, press changes, presses, pass expression, persons, expressions, expression persons.

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Speaker 5: Expression that us discaping, that us discapping, that US discaping.

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Speaker 3: That must discapping case. Look at me, amen, love, look

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at me almen love someone.

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Speaker 1: K someone.

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Speaker 5: Can spending spending.

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Speaker 1: Some kNs.

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Speaker 3: Some can send that plaiting, spend that plaiting.

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Speaker 6: All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is David

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Patrick Harry but Church of the Eternal Logos, and today

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I have the great, the mighty, the powerful Jay Dyer

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with us today. How are you doing today, brother.

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Speaker 7: No great man, thanks for having me back. Glad to

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be here.

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Speaker 6: Oh man, now, I'm glad that you're here. I've I'm

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a huge fan of your work, as you know, and

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you've been killing it on the Info Wars lately. Oh thanks,

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I've been watching your fourth hours and dropping those those

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red pills for the more normy crowd. Uh, we just

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need you to get the the Orthodox on Alex Jones,

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some of his Christian theology.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've done a couple of Fourth Hours where I

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tried to you know, slip in worth oxeology. Even did

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one whole Fourth Hour on Father Supper, Roses Nihilism. So

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nobody's really had any problems with me talking about that stuff.

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Of course, I don't know, you know, how much of

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the Fourth Hour Alex always sees. I know he watches

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some of the installments I do, but I don't know

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if he sees them all. So uh, yeah, that that's

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up in the air. But definitely, you know, pray for him.

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And I saw your Rogan stream, so you know, pray

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for for Rogan too, because you know they know each other.

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So hopefully, hopefully eventually the you know, the seeds of

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Orthodoxy can you know, filter out in that direction.

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Speaker 6: Amen to that. So today I asked you to come

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on and talk to us about the Vatican, about Catholicism,

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and so before we dive too deep in any of

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the topics, because I really we see the Pope, we

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see the Vatican essentially being a catalyst for many of

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the things of your contents that you talk about, whether

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it be the globalism, the great Reset, the really technological

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entrapment of humanity. Seems like the Vatican's a little bit

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on board with this stuff. And I want to go

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through some of these evils that it seems like we're

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seeing from a sort of, as you said, a sort

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of spiritual Babylon that we're witnessing in the Vatican. But

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before we even get into the evils that we want

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to address, you want to, you know, give insights to

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people of what we're not saying, that we do recognize

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the unification of the original Church, that we do recognize

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quote unquote Catholic saints, certain ones aligned with Orthodoxy, And

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just before we even dive into any of the topics,

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what what you want to share with people, like where

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we're going, where we're not going.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great idea. I think that, you know,

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a lot of the debates, a lot of the apologetics

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in the last few years has got a little nasty

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because Roman Catholics are angry at a lot of the

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stuff that we do. You know, we've seen so many

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people convert from Rome Catholicism to Orthodoxy. So so there's

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some sour grapes, some some lemons there in terms of attitudes.

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But you know, from my vantage point, I don't have

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any personal hatred towards Roman Catholicism. I don't hate the

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Roman Catholic Church or anything like that. I opposed the

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system and particularly you know, the head of that system

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and how he is steering that entity. And so really

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it does come from a position of concern and love

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and care for Roman Catholics. We want them to be

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united with us, but we can't have a false union,

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and so the only path to real union and restoration

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I think has to come through truth. Right, you can't

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have unity without truth, and you can't have truth without unit.

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They kind of go togethers. They're not either ores. And

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you know that, as you said, we do share commonality

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the first thousand years of the Church, roughly speaking, where

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certainly we would acknowledge many holy popes of Rome, many

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saints that are popes of Rome, you know, Saint Leo,

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the great defender of the you know, to natures in

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Christ with his tone at Chalcedon, and of course many

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other saints of Rome. So there's nothing inherently wrong with

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apostolic succession or the Apostolic See of Rome or anything

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like that. But obviously, as everybody knows, I think in

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this audience, the divergence comes after about a first first

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thousand years, and there's already the seeds of the split

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between the East and the West prior to you know,

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ten fifty four, but the beginning of the split is

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really in the late eight hundreds, nine hundreds, and then

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it kind of comes to full fruition in my view,

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in twelve seventy four the Council of Lions and then

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successively later at the Council of Florence, because after the

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Council of Lions in twelve to twenty four in the West,

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you have the full on acceptance of the Phillyoquay in

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the sense of a double hypostatic procession, and then you

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get the response of the Orthodox, which are the Palomite Synods,

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to explicitly reject that. And you know, those have been

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received universally throughout the whole world of Orthodoxy. They're part

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of the Lenton Liturgy we affirmed, and the teaching and

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affirmation of the Palomite Synods in Saint Gregor Palomas, So

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we know that we can't accept the philly Oquid doctrine

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given the fact that the Palomite Synods reject it, and

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they reject it very clearly. Sagrey Palmus has a whole

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work that Father Heres has recently translated into English English

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called the Apedictic Treatise on the Holy Spirit, which really

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quells gets rid of any notions of there being a

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reconciliation in the sense of, oh, it was just a

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dispute over words, and we all mean the same thing. No,

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we don't, I mean, And Saint Gregoro Palm has meant

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it very clear in the Apudictive Treati in the Holy

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Spirit that the Latin Church is following Satan. There they're Satanic,

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and he was saying that all the way back then.

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And he also said similar things to Barleum in the

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in the Triads and in the debate with the barleym.

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Might I can Dinos that if you follow this course,

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you will lead your church and your group into atheism.

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And that's precise to what we've seen the West do ideologically,

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is go down the course of the track of atheism.

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So long story short, you know, there's nothing we're not saying.

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Everything that you believe is false, or that you're evil

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because you're ruming Catholic that the system is wrong. And

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that's what you know, I really like to get into

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and focus on, is the system addicts and how the

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systems don't work. And when you have bad systems, what

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happens is that they produce bad results, and they can

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produce civilizationally catastrophic results. And that's what's happened in the West.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and as Orthodox, I mean, we can point to

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my favorite church father, Saint Maximus the Confessor, and how

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he had to appeal to Rome during the time that

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he was living because of the controversies of what was

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going on in the East, and it was actually the

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West that aided. But then again, this is pre schism.

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This is before the establishment of the papacy, and where

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we really see the split of the One Holy Orthodox

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Catholic Church into the papacy again, unleavened bread, Eucharist, the

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Holy Roman Empire, the alliance with Charlemagne, all this different

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stuff where it seems like the things get way more

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political than theological as history goes on. So thank you

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for beginning there. Now, privately we kind of went back

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and forth and you shared with me a news clip

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about Pope Francis's new alliance with the Islamic world in

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this new what Abrahamic religious center, and it seems like

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with what's going on post Kufid, is a new one

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world religion, and in fact they're openly wanting to build

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structures promoting this concept. I would love for you because

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I feel like this is really a central point when

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we look at the evils of the Vatican, because we're

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going to go through a lot of them, but the

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new one World religion hints at a lot of the

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preference for unity over multiplicity, ecumenicism, globalism, alliance with what

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seems to be the sort of technological one world government

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that the Pope Francis seems totally in step with. And

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so can you dive in to the Vatican the Pope.

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How long has this process actually been moving in this

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attempt for the Vatican to really be the sort of figurehead.

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It seems like it seems like the Pope's the new

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religious leader of the new one world religion.

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Speaker 7: I think that's definitely where it could go. And I

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think that there seem to be some pretty clear indications

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that Etsis would certainly like to be in that role

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we saw. I mean in terms of I think clear

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indicators of this idea in the dogmatic decrees and definitions

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of Vatican two, and they are dogmatic, despite however many

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Roman Catholics want to say, they don't have to accept

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Vatican two. It was a firm with full papal authority,

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it's from the chair, and it deals with faith and morals.

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That's really all that's needed to be under the status

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of dogmatic declaration for a Roman Catholic. And in fact,

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I have a whole video where I go through four

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separate documents from the Papacy Act affirming and making it

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very clear that Vatican two is dogmatic. You do have

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to accept. There's not an optional council for Roman Catholic

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and there's at least four places in other Roman Catholic

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dogmatic papal statements that affirm that. So we get if

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we get that out of the way, then we can

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come to documents like Atata. I don't know if you're

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familiar with this, but this is one of the more

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famous Vatican two documents, and it's the October twenty eighth,

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nineteen sixty five document. It's about five pages six pages

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it's not that long. Are you familiar with this?

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Speaker 6: No? I'm not too familiar, can you.

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Speaker 7: So everybody should be familiar with this, and everybody should

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read it because it's not very long. And I think

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what you'll notice is kind of the point that we're

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getting at here, which is that this idea of generic theism,

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that there's a generic, universal idea of just some God

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that everybody agrees on, and that therefore we can find

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paths to unity from that is really what undergirds the

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very thing that we're looking at with this House of

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the Faith of Abraham or whatever it is. And I

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sent you a link there. There's another there's another proposed

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version of this over in Germany. Somebody is saying too

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that there's a there's proposed versions of this over in

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the United Arab Emirates. And the idea is that, well,

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we're going to just get together under a common banner,

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not of the accidents, but the essentials. Right, So this

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applying the Arisitilian distinction of essence and accidents to to

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this idea that, well, don't we all believe in one God?

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all on the same page at least as far as

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that goes, and then we can just consider the other

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stuff like Jesus and Trinity and resurrect virgin birth. Maybe

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those are all just kind of like add ons, and

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they're not the essentials. And this lowest common denominator fallacy

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just keeps getting whittled down right to where ironically, at

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Vatican two and Nosra Tat it says, I'm gonna read it.

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It says, throughout the long history to the present day,

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there is found amongst different peoples a certain awareness of

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some hidden power which lies behind the course of nature

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and the events of human life. At times there is

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present even a recognition of a supreme being, perhaps a father.

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This awareness and recognition results in a way of life

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that is imbued with a deep religious sense. The religions

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that are found in more advanced civilizations endeavor by a

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way by way of well defined concepts and exact language

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to answer these questions. Thus Hinduism Hinduism. In Hinduism, people

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explore the divine mystery and express it in limitless niches,

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achime me riches of myth, and the accurately defined insights

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of philosophy. They seek release from the trials of the

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present day and the asthetical practices profound meditation, and they

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have recourse to God capital G in confidence and love.

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the God of Hinduism is the God that we all worship.

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a supreme being. And so the iron here is that

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so this is equivalent to me equating as long as

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we call that a non rigid designator. There's a paper

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that Father Deacon and I covered by a doctor Garibee,

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which is actually critiquing this notion of generic theism, or

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the idea that just because all the monotheistic religions affirm

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a God, that they're affirming the same God. Well, that's

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actually a fallacy and it's it's known as the quantification

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shift fallacy. And the reason it's a fallacy is because

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it should be obvious that because we're all affirming one,

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it doesn't equate to the fact that it's the identical

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one that we're all affirming, Right, I mean, I could

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say there's one God. Another guy down the road could

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say Oh, there is one God. I agree with you.

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But he means Satan, right, I'm certain. Maybe maybe he

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attends the Temple of set Church or or the sat

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what's the new thing that's they've got the abortion ritual

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that they're talking about, the Satanic Satanic Temple.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Satanic Temple, that's it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe he believes that it's Lucifer, that's the one God.

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But does it follow from the fact that we all

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believe in one God that it's the same God.

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 7: No, And that's what's known as the quantifier shift fallacy.

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Other examples of this in logic would be situations where

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we say something like, every woman, h every girl loves

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a boy, therefore every girl loves the same boy.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: Right, Everyone is born of a woman, therefore everyone is

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born of the same woman.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: They're obvious fallacies. All of these religions believe in one God,

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therefore they believe in the same God. Now, when we

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come to, you know, something like the New Testament, what's

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perhaps an example of a religion that's very close to

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you know, some of the things that we we would affirm.

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Maybe they even have a lot of the books shared

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with us. Let's say Judaism. Judaism affirms a father. Does

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Jesus say that just affirming the Father is enough?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 7: No, he says that no one comes to the Father

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but through me. Because the word father. If God's eternally

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a father, according to Saint Anthonatius, he's eternally the father

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of an eternal son. So the word father necessitates and

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implies the son. Right. So I'm no more joined with

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that religion than I am with an Arian or Jehova's

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witness Right, I mean, Joe's witnesses say there's one God.

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So are we all on the same team? Well, the

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same Basil didn't think so. I mean, he wrote gigantic

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treatises and like spend his whole life combating the idea

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that we're all of the same faith.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: And in fact, if you look at the Niceno constant

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Apolity Creed, it designates the One God as the Father

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of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that implies, by necessary implication,

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the Son and the Spirit. As the Cappadocians famously said,

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I can no longer think of the One being the

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essence of God or the person of the Father, as

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I am quickly bound over to think of the three,

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and I can no longer think of the three without

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quickly being referred back to the one. So there's an

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equal ultimacy of the one and the many in the trinity.

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So there's no such thing as kind of picking out

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because of there being commonalities, that there's therefore one lowest

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common denominator religion. And if you read the Garibie paper,

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he points out that if there's a lowest common denominator

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religion that is just the commonalities in these various so

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called monotheistic faiths or Abrahamic faiths, then that's actually a

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third other religion. Right, that's that's not the other three

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you see, And that's all you can. You can prove

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that logically by a conjunct where you put, for example,

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in in parentheses, and logic you could say, we're gonna list,

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let's say the beliefs of Orthodox Christianity that make Orthodoxy Orthodoxy. Right,

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So that would be A, would be the trinity, B,

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Virgin birth, C, you know, incarnation, D, resurrection. Right, Let's

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say all of the beliefs that are necessary components of

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Orthodox Christianity, they're in these parentheses A, A, B, C, D, E,

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F Z, Right, if we take out Oh but wait

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a minute, one of those beliefs is that God's omnission,

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so maybe that's.

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Speaker 6: A you know, G.

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Speaker 7: Well, Jews and Muscles believe that God's on this and

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so they believe G.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: But is G the same as the set that's up

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here in the parenthes. No, No, it's not. And even

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if I take elements out commonalities, it's not this set

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because this set is everything in totality. It's a total set.

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It's in the parentheses. And this is just logic showing

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that there's no such thing as a core religion that

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is the core of these three monotheistic abrahemit face. It's

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it's a simple it's a simple way in logic, in

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linguistic philosophy to show that this set is not this

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set merely because there's common things. Another point, too, is

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that he makes in the Garbye paper and makes some

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really great examples or analogies to a card games. If

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I'm playing poker and then I'm playing, you know, crazy eights,

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Does the fact that poker and Crazy eights use cards

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mean they're playing a same game the same game?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 7: Does the fact that there's cards and rules involved mean

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that there's actually a common core game that's neither Poker

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nor Crazy Eights.

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Speaker 6: No, of course not.

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Speaker 7: It's this nonsense, right. So in other words, the set

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of beliefs is going to determine the reference in the set.

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And that's why it's a holistic. It's a whole systemic thing.

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And so the word God is in linguistic philosophy, it's

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known as a non rigid designator. And what we mean

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by that is that it's not a personal pronoun. It

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doesn't pick out anything specific. Even in scripture, the word

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God just little case God. It could refer to the

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person of the Father. It could refer to the whole Trinity.

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It could refer to divine actions or attributes with the

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divine essence. It can refer to angels. Angels are called gods,

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elokin sons of God. It could refer to humans. I

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will make you as a god to Pharaoh, right, God

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says to Moses. And it could refer to us in deification.

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It could refer to demons, right, the gods of the nations.

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So the point here is that it's abatance witch the

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fact that the other religions use the word God or

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the word monotheism or the word you know, whatever that's

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in common. We believe in an omniscient God. You believe

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in om thissa God. So it's the same God. No,

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it's not, because the rest of the set of beliefs

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about our God is just as necessary as any single

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member of the set right. The Father is just as

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necessary as Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is just as necessary

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as Son, as as omniscience. You can't start just subtracting

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from them. And there's no argument to be made for

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some of God's attributes being more self evident than the others.

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They all go together. It's holistic. You don't like, learn

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the essence of God and then down the road like

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Tomism says, we'll tack on trinity, we'll tack on virgin birth. No, no,

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it all goes together. Right, it's a set right.

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Speaker 6: Just based on what you said, this idea, the sort

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of manipulation or the word concept fallacy, it almost feels

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like there's magical cannontations underneath this. Like I've spoken before

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that magic is all about the manipulation of language and meaning,

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which then alters people's perceptions of reality. And I can't

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help but think when we start looking at Catholic history,

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or you know, perennial itself. This idea of the Abrahamic

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religions really all sort of saying the exact same thing.

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with the Moorish occupation, where they allowed for all these

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mystical traditions to study each other and even smoke hishiesh

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coming out of Northern Africa. And then right after that

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the Hermetic Corpus, we get Marcillo, Ficino, Giovanni, Picadella Marendola,

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and we see magic, Chaldean oracles, Sufism, Kabbala, and Christian

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mysticism all come together in this sort of new understanding

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of what man is, of what religion is. And this

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is where the perennialism itself, if you're going to trace

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that idea really gets going, is the thirteenth century Spain

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and Catholicism has really been associated with this concept ever since.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to bring up the Renaissance origins

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of the humanism, actually because this is a more accurate

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thesis on the real origins of a humanism way way

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prior to Vatican two. So, for example, if you read

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a Cult Renaissance Church of Rome, Hoffmann shows in that

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book that the real origins of the ideas of a

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common root of the religions, a skeletal root religion that

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is neither Christianity, nor Orthodox, nor Islam nor you know,

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philosophical schools. So it's kind of a neoplatonic approach, and

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it's an approach as you said that it gets adopted

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eventually by the perennial schools, which are really just borrowing

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from Neoplatonism to try to find the grand ultimate skeletal

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backbone of what the world religions are, which are just

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kind of masks. So the perennialist idea, which again is

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not new, it was already had and seed form by Neoplatonists,

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and then it's regurgitated by the neo Platonic schools that

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really influence the people in the Italian Renaissance. It's just

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regurgitating things that had already been rejected in the first

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seven Councils. So actually, if you read For example, Myandor's

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book Business Ideology, there's a whole chapter on the rejection

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of Neoplatonism. And this is why you get, for example,

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the visiting Emperor Saint Justinian is the one who started

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closing down the Platonic Academy and these schools, because what

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happens is in the sonoticon there's an explicit rejection of

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Platonism Neoplatonism in this end this idea which manifests in

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the chapter that he wrote called the It's about the humanists,

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the monastics and humanists, and so this eventually manifests is

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a warfare between neoplatonism. And this even gets into iconography

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because the iconoclass are actually rejecting iconography on neoplatonic grounds.

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Theodore the STUDEI. It's repeated in the Alspinsky Treatise with

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Theology the icon in the chapter on Gregory Palomos, because

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pallemism is what undergirds the affirmation of iconography. The energy's

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doctrine is crucial and fundamental to why we do iconography.

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energies being the reason why iconography is useful, correct, important, pedagogical,

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and also mystical. I mean, this is why the Saints

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have a golden halo. It's because that's signifying the uncreated light.

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Icons themselves are teaching the essence energy doctrine. And so

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when we get to the Renaissance period, there's a rejection

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of that idea of icons and iconography having a specific

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liturgical setting and meaning and significance, and there's rubrics for

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how you do it. You don't do Chinese Jesus, because

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Jesus wasn't Chinese. But we specifically see at the time

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of CHARLEMI and after that's when the Western Church departs

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right in many ways from the liturgical norms and from

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the Seventh Council. The Romancallolic Church never has really accepted

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the actual teaching of the Seventh Ecumenical Council. They affirm

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it in principle, but for them, oh, that just means

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we can do Jesus art right, and you can do anything,

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so you can have God the Father as an old man.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 7: Actually, the Seventh Machemenical Council says, you cannot paint God

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the Father as an old man, and it says that's

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a heretical and idolatrous notion. No man has seen the

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Father at any time, Jesus says, and never will because

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the only icon of the Father is the person of

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the Son. The hypostasis of the Son is the only

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icon of the Father. And so there can be symbolic

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representations of the Father in the sense of the three

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angels in the you know, the famous uh Abrahamic Rublev icon,

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there's a symbols that represent the Trinity. But we make

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it very clear if you read the later icon councils

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in Moscow, they explain, note that those icons are not

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portraying the person of the Father, right, any more than

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the number three is like portraying the person of the Father.

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the icon, but it's not the hypostasis of the Father.

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story short is just that iconography. Orthodox theology is very clear,

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very precise on these topics, and it is always stressed that,

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as the Nice in Crete says, the one God is

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the Father the Son, and the Spirit principally right, when

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we begin our Trinitarian theology, it's the person of the Father.

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I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, right, and

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then yes, I also affirm God from God like from light,

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the Son and the Spirit. Right, So one God can

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pick out different things. It can mean the person the Father,

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It can mean the entire triad, it can mean the

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divine essence that they share. It can even pick out

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the attributes or energies that God has, because God is

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fully present in Greek energy. Sure, but the point is

472
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just that if we understood even just iconography itself. Right,

473
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And this is another point I'm gonna it's gonna come up,

474
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I'm sure in the debate in a few days with Trent,

475
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because we'll be debating this very topic. Is that you know,

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God for us has a specific reference and it means Trinity.

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Speaker 3: Right.

478
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Speaker 7: It's it's the persons of the Trinity. There's no such

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thing as generic theism, just even by linguistic philosophy, God

480
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,519
is a non rigid designator doesn't tell you. So you're

481
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absolutely right that it's a kind of abate and switch.

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I don't know how self conscious the authors of the

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Vatican Two documents actually were because some of this is

484
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:44,119
really dumb and it's really low level argumentation, like because

485
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they pray and because they you know, seek out things

486
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in their Idolatrist religion that therefore it's the same god

487
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as us. I mean, that's just not just non sequitors,

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that it's that it's our God.

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Speaker 6: And do you think this emphasis on the like you said,

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the neoplatonic precept is of the sort of skeletal schematical

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framework of all world religions and noise comes back to

492
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this unknown or transcendent one again relates to the ancient

493
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,840
Greek problem of the one in the many and this

494
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historical prevalence to privilege unity over multiplicity. And you see

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this in Tomism, you see this in absolute divine simplicity

496
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in which you've talked about, uh, you know, at nauseum

497
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on yours on your channel. But Orthodoxy doesn't have this

498
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:34,800
dialectical tension between multiplicity and unity, and therefore you actually

499
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,199
find a balance. You actually find a harmony at an

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intellect and at an intellectrical intellectual, you know, theological level.

501
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There's a balance there. Do you think that this has

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any ties back to absolute divine simplicity.

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Speaker 7: What absolutely does. And that's not anything that I came

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up with. In fact, countless Orthodox saints and theologians have

505
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been saying this for a long time. In fact, in

506
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the little book that's kind of the good if you

507
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,360
want an introduction to this topic and what we're talking

508
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,519
about here. I don't affirm everything that that this author writes,

509
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but this book is really good, and it's called Church

510
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,519
Papacy Schism by Philip Chrard, And really the whole thesis

511
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of this book is that the imbalance and the one

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the many is kind of what undergirds the Roman Catholic system.

513
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So papalism itself never could have really arisen if the

514
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pope didn't kind of arrogate himself to the office and

515
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roll of what the Holy Spirit does. So it's not

516
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accidental that the rise of the papal monarchy in the

517
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early Middle Ages is at the same time as a

518
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:41,840
direct correlation, direct provable connection between that and the imbalance

519
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,400
that occurs in the Phillioquay doctrine. The Philioquay doctrine creates

520
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,400
a diad And again I would just say, read Saint

521
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,599
Photias's mystagogy because he says improves in you know about

522
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:55,039
eighty pages that if you give the power in particular

523
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,239
property of the person the father to the son, now

524
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,960
you have a father son. Now you have a diet

525
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and that diad of father's son, which produces the third person,

526
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the father son. There that diad actually has the power

527
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of producing a person that the spirit lacks. So now,

528
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in this silly effort to try to prove the deity

529
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of the Christ against arianism, which is kind of the

530
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motivations of why the Philioque was rolled out to begin with,

531
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which is all kind of a mistake and a misunderstanding anyway,

532
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:29,039
it really has the opposite effect of subordinating the spirit.

533
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So if the Holy Spirit is subordinated in the life

534
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of this institution, which is precisely what all of our

535
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,719
saints and theologians said that the filiok we would do again,

536
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just read the mystagogy of Saint Photius. He said it

537
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would do that. And then what happens is that now

538
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,719
we need a humanistic.

539
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Speaker 6: Role for the Holy.

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Speaker 7: Spirit embodied in the person of the pope. Now the

541
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Pope is the voice of the Holy Spirit. The voice

542
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,679
of God on earth is no longer the immediate, innate,

543
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direct presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of

544
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the church, an extra juridical office that speaks in this way,

545
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and so the pope really becomes the the bridge of

546
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,599
the philioquoy now or the Holy Spirit comes into the church,

547
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,360
he kind of replaces Christ in the economia. And that's

548
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,480
the argumentation that that Chirard makes, which I've always thought

549
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:21,079
was a really really powerful argument, and it's and he

550
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,559
makes the argument that it's on the basis of absolute

551
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divine simplicity that these this even happened. I mean, Photius

552
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himself even says this that the simplicity doctrine that the

553
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,360
Cappadocians and the Church adopted is not the simplicity doctrine

554
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,119
that the West adopted. And so they even noticed that

555
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at the time. That's what undergirds the whole debate of

556
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the Phillyoquay, at the time of Photius and at the

557
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time of the Council Alliance. And when you read the

558
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Tomos of the Palomite Synods and the Palmite theology of

559
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,960
that time, and they appredictive treat use of Saint Gregory

560
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,639
against the Latins, it's all saying what I'm saying it's

561
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,519
none of this stuff is like me making it. So,

562
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,920
it's just in these documents, very clear, very lucid logic

563
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,000
go presentation, by the way, which should show people that

564
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:08,079
there's nothing antithetical to palamism and apologetics and logic. I mean,

565
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:12,239
he's using Ariscitian logic. That's what the appedictic treatise means. Right.

566
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Speaker 6: So, given the Vaticans theological presupposition of absolute divine simplicity,

567
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given now their promotion of this one world religion, this perennialistic,

568
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,000
this neo potonic theology, how and where do you see

569
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,480
the tentacles of this merge into Klaus Schwab's great reset.

570
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I mean, it seems like I don't see any pushback

571
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from the Vatican. I see Vagano speak out against a

572
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lot of this stuff. But it seems like Pope Francis

573
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is totally in step with Klaus Schwab, totally in step

574
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with the Rothschilds, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Fortune five hundred companies,

575
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:58,920
the Warburg's really the CCP. Where do you see the

576
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:04,880
bridge of this presuppositional framework of unity into now the political, economic,

577
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:08,119
and actual movements of the Vatican in the great Reset

578
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and the one world, global religion and government.

579
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Speaker 7: Well, if you look at the famous chapter of Dostyevsky,

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which was prophetic, I mean, Dossiovski's Grand Inquisitor and Brothers

581
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Karamatsa basically tells us this. He said, you know, one

582
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hundred years ago or whatever, that the papacy would become

583
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:29,119
a gigantic, geopolitical worldly institution to try to solve man's

584
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,800
problems in a humanistic way. And I mean that's again

585
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,639
echoed in Saint Justin Popovitch's you know book Orthodox Faith

586
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,039
in Life in Christ, where he basically calls the papacy

587
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the exaltation of man, the worship of man, it's the

588
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great humanistic institution, again echoing the point of Cherard that

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the pope is really just taking the place of Christ,

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taking the place of the Holy Spirit. And what this

591
00:42:52,440 --> 00:43:01,039
does is make the Roman Church into a geopolitical uh corporation,

592
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,280
to put it simply. And now I'm not the first

593
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,079
to make this analogy. In fact, you can go back

594
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to the Frankish period and that's precisely when we started

595
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,840
to see these real alterations from the Christianity that had

596
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:18,519
been accepted in the imperium, so that the Byzantine Imperium

597
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,239
had a had an emperor, it had a patriarchal system

598
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,079
already canonically approved in multiple ecumenical councils by that time.

599
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And what happens is that the Carolinian theologians of Charlemagne's court,

600
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they specifically did not accept the seven Dicamitical Council, and

601
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,719
to the Pope's credit at that time, the papacy in

602
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,960
the days of Charlemagne affirms the seventh Decamitical Council in

603
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communion with us. They agree with us, and so, but

604
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what happens is that the Carolinian court is able to

605
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through certain maschinations and through after a couple a decade

606
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:00,440
or two, if you sent excuse me, if you entries,

607
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,440
you get what's called the Franco Papal Church. And that's

608
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during this period when the patrine See moves from Rome

609
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to France, and then we start to see a real

610
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geopolitical machination. But even in Photius's day, San Photius was

611
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complaining that Charlemagne had sent missionaries into Bulgarian Orthodox jurisdictions

612
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to try to convert them to accepting the Philly Oquay.

613
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So the Philioquay was a geopolitical tool. And this is

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admitted by multiple scholars now even Roman Catholics, Like this

615
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,719
is in Cishansky is the Philly Oquick book. So it's

616
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not a it's not an orthodox reading of history. It's

617
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,800
in Roman Catholic theology now too. In history. So he

618
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:42,840
basically sends missionaries to try to get people to accept, oh,

619
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you don't have the right creed. You see. See, if

620
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,440
you want to be on the right page, you gotta

621
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,840
be you gotta have Charlemagne's creed, you see. So you

622
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,000
see how it's a geopolitical tool, right, and so he's

623
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:58,960
converting Orthodox territories over to this false, uh you know,

624
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,880
affirmation of an addition to the creed, and the pope

625
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,639
at that time, Leo Right had even stated, no, you

626
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,079
can't right change the creed. So he agreed with us

627
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right at that time. But what happens is that eventually

628
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:20,320
the Franco papal power starts installing people who are geopolitical

629
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,159
tools of the Franks. And this is nobody denies this.

630
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I mean, this is why, this is why the Sea

631
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,199
of Rome is in France for eighty years. I mean,

632
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this is Avignon papacy, very famous, very well known. Out

633
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,840
of this we get three different dudes claiming to be

634
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the true pope. It's the famous, it's the famous Great

635
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,920
Western schism. And I mean, but I don't think Roman

636
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,079
Catholics understand that when you accept the papacy, like you're

637
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,800
taking that on, like you're owning that right, that's part

638
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,559
of your thing, and you're having to admit, yeah, sure

639
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:52,280
that happened. I don't have a problem with that, so what.

640
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But I don't think that they realized that it was

641
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a council that was convened to solve this issue, the

642
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,280
Council of Constance. And then they just turn around and say, yeah,

643
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,039
but of course councils aren't superior to popes. No wait

644
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,079
a minute, so three rival popes, the issue is solved

645
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,039
by a council deciding which one's pope. But then also,

646
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:12,960
councils aren't a bo But it's just silly, right, I mean,

647
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,360
there's so many examples of this kind of stuff in history,

648
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which one of the key killer examples we'll get through

649
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,920
here in a moment, which has Constantinople one the second

650
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,000
acumenical council. But I know I'm rambling, but this backstory

651
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,760
is necessary to understand how we get to the world

652
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,800
where we are now, where the papacy is really just

653
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,920
a geopolitical ngo. The best way to understand the papacy

654
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,360
in terms of what it really is is an NGO

655
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:45,400
kind of international corporate mafia at the top. Okay, not

656
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,599
saying everybody in the Roman County church is part of this,

657
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:51,559
but this is why we're seeing so much corruption in

658
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,000
the Vatican Bank for so many years, so much corruption

659
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:57,800
in terms of the pedo scandals that everybody knows all about.

660
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,519
In fact, they just a lot of Roman Olthlics are

661
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:04,400
coping about the recent French report that was released by

662
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the French bishops. So that wasn't They're all.

663
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Speaker 8: Saying, there's the liberal media of the liberal media, liberal media. No,

664
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it's your own bishops that really start report. Dude, it's

665
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not the liberal media. I mean, how long are they

666
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,880
going to keep buying it? It was just the liberal media,

667
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,000
liberal media. No, it's real corruption in that church.

668
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Speaker 6: The other one is I've noticed lately on the Catholics

669
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they want to point to American public school systems that

670
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:29,039
it's way worse than the church. And that this is

671
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,840
just a pr stunt to make the church look bad,

672
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which is laughable at best.

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Speaker 7: Well, the bishop's report out of France was what two

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hundred thousand victims in the last sixty years, two hundred

675
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thousand from the Catholic bishops of France. That's not from

676
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the Boston Globe or the Washington Post. Okay, that's not

677
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from liberal entities. But that's just an example of how

678
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:03,440
like the Hamster wheel of justification, rationalization and coping that

679
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:05,400
goes on when you talk about this stuff is just

680
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,639
kind of mind boggling. And it's really because that is

681
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I genuinely believe it's a system of dead works that

682
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,960
Paul talks about that doesn't actually have the power. Right,

683
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So Paul says, in the Last Times, you will notice

684
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,519
there will be a kind of fake church that has

685
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:24,679
the appearance of guidliness but lacks the power thereof and

686
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is characterized by dead works. And I can't think of

687
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,119
any better system that exemplifies that than the Roman Catholic system,

688
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,280
where it's literally a denial of uncreated grace, literally a

689
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,360
denial of you know, the direct perception of God through

690
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,079
the news. I mean, they don't have a news doctrine,

691
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So how are they going to have uncreated grace and

692
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,400
direct perception. They don't. It's explicitly rejected for a long time.

693
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So and that is all, yes, because of heretical trinitarian theology.

694
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They went heterodox a thousand years ago, and Photius was

695
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,960
right all along. And the mere fact that the system

696
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:01,880
has it's more and changes. That's the amazing thing here

697
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,039
is that uh it had they had this ability to

698
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,039
appeal to truths and falses at the same time and

699
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:12,559
morphed the position. And no better example this than you know,

700
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,960
if you look at the landscape of Roman Catholicism, a

701
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,599
Roman Catholic can in his own mind basically construct what

702
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,119
the church is right. And you can have a guy

703
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,920
over here who's a trad who for him, the Roman

704
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,599
Catholic Church is the Urban the second calling the Crusades

705
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:31,880
against Islam, right, that's the Roman falsism, that's what I

706
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:34,000
believe in. And then you have another dude over here

707
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,199
who's like, you know, uh, father Bruce, and for him,

708
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,559
Roman Catholicism is uh mother Teresa going and praying in

709
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,199
Buddhist temples, which she did, by the way, So what

710
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,280
a which which is it?

711
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:46,639
Speaker 6: Is it?

712
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 7: Is it Francis and Benedict praying in the mosque towards Mecca?

713
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,559
Is that authentic Roman Catholicism? Or is it crusades against

714
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:56,519
Islam in the Middle Ages. Well, the thing about Roman

715
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:58,320
Catholicism that you can make it whatever you want, right,

716
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,800
it can be all of these things and none of

717
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,119
these things, because it's a system that lends itself to

718
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,559
that malleability under the superstructure of the appearance of dogma.

719
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,559
But even when we get to that, we actually find

720
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,599
out that the Roman Catholic as an individual is in

721
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:16,599
no better position than anyone else. They're always saying, you

722
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:18,320
don't have a way to know the dogmas. You don't

723
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,960
have a no way to know what's true and false.

724
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,239
You don't know what the dogmas are. They're in the

725
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,440
exact same existential position as anyone else, Protestant or Orthodox.

726
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:32,280
Because I've got right here gigantic tones of Catholic theologies,

727
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,039
specifically the papal stuff over there, thousands of pages of

728
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,559
papal teaching. As an individual Roman Catholic, how are you

729
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:43,440
in any better position? Since I mean, I've got my

730
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,639
stack over here of church fathers and councils. You got

731
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:49,960
your stack over here of papal teachings. How do you,

732
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,519
as an individual Catholic know for sure that you're reading

733
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:55,960
through the gigantic thousands of pages of papal documents and

734
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:59,639
interpreting it correctly and correctly parceling out which ones are

735
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:03,880
authoritative in which ones are not. You're not in any

736
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,960
better position. So the very thing that the whole office

737
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,280
of the papers are supposed to solve, which is having

738
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,440
certitude and authority over disputes, doesn't actually work. Look at

739
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,960
the world of Roman Policism now, they've been in seventy

740
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:19,440
years of confusion and disarray. They can't tell you what

741
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,360
the dogmas are. They don't know if Vatican two is dogmatic.

742
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,519
They all disagree with one another more than the Roman,

743
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,960
more than the Orthodox, or more than Protestant. They are

744
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,519
like Protestants basically. I mean, I could go down the

745
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,960
road and in one city we're supposed to It's supposed

746
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,280
to be so easy to identify the Roman Catholic Church.

747
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,880
I can find five different chapels that all disagree and

748
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,079
aren't in communion or don't know. But what Vatican two

749
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,599
is in the actual like you know, hard city examples.

750
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,440
Down the road, there's an SSPX chapel, an FSSP chapel,

751
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,800
a set of a contest chapel, a Novasordo chapel, right,

752
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,159
and these all disagree, right, and all think the other

753
00:51:57,159 --> 00:51:58,199
ones are stupid herotics.

754
00:51:58,519 --> 00:51:58,639
Speaker 3: Right.

755
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,039
Speaker 6: And we see now that Pope Frank is actively trying

756
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:08,119
to suppress the trad Latin Mass, which again, even despite

757
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,519
all the things that you said, any any sort of

758
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,679
remnants of an older Catholicism would be president in the

759
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,280
trade Latin Mass. They're trying to get rid of it.

760
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,360
And that this spirit of innovation, the spirit of almost

761
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,400
progressive revelation that you see the Vatican and the Papacy promote.

762
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,599
You know, I can't help but think about you know,

763
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,039
this was a major influential book on me. Was God

764
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:37,239
History and Dialectic and seeing how Rome is the continuation

765
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,880
of the Greco Roman philosophical political empire, and that you

766
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,880
can look at the statuary, you can look at the

767
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,280
dialectical tensions within their theology. You can look at well

768
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,079
their marianology which looks very similar to pagan venus worship,

769
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:56,800
and various stuff like that that the establishment of the

770
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,920
papacy as this central figure is really a movement back

771
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,320
to Caesar himself, that somehow there's this god man who's

772
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,880
also a sort of political theological figure. I mean, in

773
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:10,039
my mind, this is the papacy. And so then the

774
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:14,320
papacy being a sort of uh, you know, Roman Empire

775
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,639
two point zero wants to post schism, and it's in

776
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:21,800
its attempt to establish the holy Roman Empire, which exactly

777
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:24,039
is what I'm claiming that it is the sort of

778
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:27,719
Roman Empire two point oh. That no wonder, it's this

779
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:33,199
worldly you know, this worldly process to help humanity that

780
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,159
to uh, you know, it's a progressive.

781
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,599
Speaker 7: It's a humanistic institution that's totally atheistic now and it's

782
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,079
an nng oh, it.

783
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:43,519
Speaker 6: Really isn't n g oh, it really is. And you

784
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,960
can see it. And Pope Francis's support of mass migration

785
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,119
that the same Catholic country is that he's this, he's

786
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,960
the vicar of he's the steward of these of his

787
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:56,159
Catholic flock. Well, he's okay with all the Muslim migrants

788
00:53:56,199 --> 00:54:01,639
of Northern Africa. Flood France, flood Germany, you know, flood Spain.

789
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,519
It's totally fine. You know, we need more refugees in Italy.

790
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:09,079
That he is totally on board with all the subversive

791
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,360
NGOs in the world as of right now.

792
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,119
Speaker 7: Anyways, Yeah, and I would add that, you know, this

793
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,400
has been known and written about by Roman Catholics themselves

794
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,440
for a long time. So I don't know how many

795
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:23,599
times I have to tell the Roman Catholics to go

796
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,519
read your own trads. I mean one of the best

797
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,400
examples of this as I lectured through and talked about

798
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,440
this entire eight hundred page book for many years. It's

799
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,960
almost as important, you know as a book like Tragyan

800
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,559
Hope and that's John Courtney Murray Timelife magazine and the

801
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:42,320
American proposition how the CIA's doctrinal warfare program changed the

802
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,840
Roman Catholic Church. And so basically wim Hoff proves in

803
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,000
about eight hundred pages and in about you know, a

804
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:52,119
thousand plus footnotes as a trad Catholic himself. By the ways,

805
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:54,480
he's not an Orthodox person. He's not some you know,

806
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,239
crazy conspiracy there is. He's a lawyer who's documented in

807
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:02,559
extreme detail, you know, the history of the Roman Catholic

808
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:08,480
Church's subversion. I'm saying the institution being subverted, them being

809
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,280
subverted in the twentieth century. So this is not it

810
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,920
does deal a lot with theology, but it's more so

811
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:18,239
a geopolitical analysis of what happened in the twentieth century

812
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:20,960
from the vantage point of intelligence analysis. So how did

813
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,800
this institution become an NGO to basically promote the interests

814
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,679
of the elite in America and in the West. And

815
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,199
that's precisely what happened. And of course he takes key

816
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,000
figures like John Courtney Murray who famously was allied with

817
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,760
CD Jackson in this creation of the Doctrinal Warfare program,

818
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,599
which was the CIA's Cold War program to use all institutions,

819
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:44,800
not just the Roman Cacality Church, but mainly the Romancaloity

820
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,920
Church and Protestants and Orthodox as well as a means

821
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:52,119
for geopolitical promotion of Americanism. And this is the Americanism

822
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:54,679
of you know, the Four Freedoms and all this kind

823
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:00,159
of propaganda maloney, which is really just monetarism and consumerism right,

824
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:05,920
neoliberalism right, and so attaching neoliberalism and consumerism and all

825
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,880
of the other isms and leftisms to Americanism and basically

826
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:13,000
making the churches in the West, the churches in the

827
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:18,000
USA tools of the for lack of better for the

828
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:20,039
deep stay. Really, I mean, that's that's what it amounts to.

829
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:22,320
In fact, the book even details you know, a lot

830
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,119
of the Rockefeller Foundation people and even rock Filler himself

831
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,360
meeting with the papacy meeting with people from the church

832
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,039
saying we want to fund you know, liberals and radicals

833
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,840
like John Courtney Murray to go into the Vaticanto to

834
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,719
make sure that documents like sant Get you know, passed,

835
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,320
because documents like no State really aid in making the

836
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,599
church into an ecumenist institution. And that's why acumenism itself

837
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,480
is actually a Rockefeller project. They were putting money into

838
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:54,840
ecumenism long before Batticantu, way back in the thirties, forties, fifties.

839
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,199
I've detailed this in my lectures on the history of

840
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,480
the Rockfiller family. They write books to talking about it.

841
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,840
It's it's not hard to figure out, and it's easy

842
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:09,280
to see why because you because what monetarism, what capitalism,

843
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,960
neoliberalism does is it wants to promote the idea of

844
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:17,639
lowest common denominator right to push the product right. What's

845
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:19,880
the easiest way to sell this idea, what's the easiest

846
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,559
way to sell Americanism, to sell consumerism, to sell quantification ets,

847
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:26,320
that are all these ideas that are bound up in

848
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,719
that philosophy. Well, lowest common denominator, right, what's the easiest,

849
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:30,960
simplest way to package this?

850
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: Right?

851
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,559
Speaker 7: And that LCD the lowest common denominator approach, which is

852
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:43,280
basically just neoliberalism applied to religion. So ecumenism is neoliberal

853
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,199
economic theory applied to religion as a tool of control.

854
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,760
What's the easiest way to get people funneled into this

855
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,920
thing that I, as a zillionaire run fund and control.

856
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:56,960
That's what is going on, And that's why Francis is

857
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,039
really just a tool of the power, the global elite,

858
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,400
the banking elite, the corporate elite. Hence why he goes

859
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,039
and meets with Lynn Forrester, to raw Child, and so

860
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,599
why he meets with all the World Economic Forum people

861
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:11,760
to promote to promote what he calls, uh, what's the

862
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,679
word they use? Something capitalism. My mind's going like right now,

863
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:21,920
it's a new type of capitalism that's like socially conscious, Yeah,

864
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:24,920
socially conscious whatever he called it. I'm sure somebody in

865
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,960
the chat will remember, but that's been I mean, that's

866
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,400
showing that he's allied with these global entities really to

867
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:34,280
just promote the next instantiation, the next phase of what

868
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,800
in nineteen sixty five was still very revolutionary. So you

869
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,960
go read the documents Vatican two, and it's saying that,

870
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:44,519
you know, the Roma Collay Church is now accepted religious freedom,

871
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,400
which they had previously condemned in multiple paval and cyclicals

872
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,800
for many centuries as a heresy of the Protestants right,

873
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,320
I mean, luther is condemned for promoting religious liberty. Vatican

874
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,920
two now accepts it as dogma. And there's many other

875
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:02,559
things you can go read in cyclicals like Mararii votes.

876
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:06,320
You could read Mortalium Animos, and I always recommend Catholics

877
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,960
reading Mortalium animals because Pius eleven specifically says interfaith gatherings,

878
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:16,199
the humanoust, prayer meetings, et cetera, are apostasy. So in

879
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,920
nineteen twenty eight he can write in a cyclical that

880
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,800
is universal ordinary magisterium for the whole church, it's dealing

881
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,000
with faith in morals, and he can say that it's apostasy,

882
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,440
and then in a few decades, the actions of praying

883
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:30,639
with all the world religions is now affirmed as the

884
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:32,679
work of the Holy Spirit. So literally, the Holy Spirit

885
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,360
flips like he changes his mind from nineteen twenty eight

886
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:38,360
to nineteen sixty five, and it's exact opposite. Oh no,

887
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,239
it's not apostle anymore. Now, it's good to do that.

888
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,320
And that shows you that the whole Roman system has

889
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:48,719
always been an amorphous, evolving innovation that just adapts to

890
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,079
the times. And is the anti church right, No?

891
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:56,679
Speaker 6: And so that leads me to ask you how much

892
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,599
power does the Vatican have because everything that we're talking about,

893
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,840
and it being in lockstep with things like the Rockefeller Foundation,

894
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,599
the Rothschilds, the Fortune five hundred. You know, you hear

895
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:14,119
all the people speculating, Oh well, it's it's the Vatican

896
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:16,840
that rules the world. It's the Vatican Bank. No, it's

897
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,679
the CCP. No, it's the globalist it's the deep state.

898
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,159
Where do you use what is the power of the Vatican.

899
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:30,400
Is the Vatican sort of follower of the the you know,

900
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:33,920
the real billionaire elite that the globalist elite that rule

901
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,960
the world. Are they a follower of this process? Are

902
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:39,480
they a sort of partner in the sense that they

903
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,760
have comparable power, but they have different objectives, and they're

904
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,639
going because I feel like that's kind of the CCP.

905
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,159
The CCP is going along with the global reset because well,

906
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:53,320
they have similar objectives, but they have also very different

907
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,039
objectives and so they're not in lockstep with the global elite.

908
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:59,760
How do you see the Vatican and Catholicism globally speaking,

909
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,360
and really the attempt for the new one world religion?

910
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,920
Where does this fit into the billionaire global elite, the CCP,

911
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,119
all the conspiracy theories of who runs the world? Are

912
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:12,400
they a follower? Are they? Do they have do they

913
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:13,920
wield real power?

914
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 7: I would say that they are a partner in globalism

915
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,199
and they do have a lot of power, but maybe

916
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,599
not the type of power of the actual kind of

917
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:30,239
inner deep state. In other words, it was the Western

918
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,199
elite deep state that actually subverted and captured the office

919
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:38,800
of the papacy in the last decade, or assume in

920
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,119
the last century. So the twentieth century is really the

921
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:44,880
Western elite capturing the office of the papacy. I think

922
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,880
the office of the papacy was already corrupt, was already

923
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,360
teaching bad doctrines, but they might have had a degree

924
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,960
of sort of independence, maybe one hundred two hundred years

925
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,159
ago for example. You know, if you go back to

926
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,199
Leo the thirteenth, I mean, he wrote famous and cyclicals

927
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:03,440
condemning free Mary, being very open, you know, about the

928
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:08,880
opposition to the forces of revolutionary philosophy, the forces of

929
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,840
atheism and materialism. So there were still kind of the

930
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,599
remnants of the office of you know, combating errors in

931
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:19,440
heresy back in the days of Lee the thirteenth. But

932
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:21,039
I think by the time we get up into the

933
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:24,760
twentieth century, when we get into you know, what wim

934
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,639
Hoff is detailing in his book, that's where we can

935
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,000
definitely say that the Roman Catholic Church is a captured

936
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:34,480
institution from the top. Again, doesn't mean that at the

937
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:37,440
you know level of a BEGANU or these different people,

938
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,079
you know, different trads. There aren't sincere you know, anti

939
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:44,519
nWo people, But it's just beyond any shadow of a

940
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:50,119
doubt of anybody with intellectual honesty, especially during the reign

941
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,800
of Francis, which I've watched very closely. I mean I've

942
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,440
been you know, very interested in the real Mecalolic Rolds

943
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,360
since two thousand and three four. So I was I

944
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:00,199
was there at the tom of John Paul, I was

945
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:02,599
there for the whole period of Benedict. I saw that,

946
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:09,199
And I've watched, you know, the Francis conundrum catastrophe very

947
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:14,039
closely as well. And what is clear is that it's

948
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:18,400
basically it does wield power in the sense that it's

949
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,840
a gigantic institution and has a lot of sway. But

950
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:26,840
in another sense, it's not like the papacy itself has

951
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,840
a tremendous amount of power in the geopolitical sphere because

952
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,800
they themselves are I think captives of the Western power elite.

953
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,199
They were captured a long time ago. Abatican two is

954
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,960
really really a concession to Americanism and a surrendering to

955
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:47,239
the power elite of the American imperium, which is not Americans.

956
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,880
It's right international we as Americans are ruled by Yeah,

957
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,199
exactly right. So the papacy, unfortunately, is just an instant

958
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,800
an arm of that apparatus. And I don't like the

959
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,119
Jesuits don't run the world, they're also in arm of

960
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:05,480
this apparatus. The Jesuits are a big part of Again.

961
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,199
John Courtney Murray is a Jesuit. He was one of

962
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:10,880
the people who helped pass Vatican too. He's one of

963
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,800
the guys who helped get no stratat in these different

964
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:19,760
you know, just horrendous documents passed which are duping all

965
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,840
these people into thinking that, you know, all the world

966
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,000
religions are just on a scale of being and a continuum.

967
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:26,800
We all worship the same God, it's all the same.

968
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:31,239
That's just funneling people into what could be this emerging

969
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,320
new world religion of the you know, a Brahmic face.

970
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,639
And if you read for Telly Twudy, I mean we

971
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,599
pointed this out that Francis was intentionally putting non denominational,

972
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:45,840
anti Trinitarian prayers into the encyclical because what they want

973
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,159
to do is have the world religions on a kind

974
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:52,199
of a concentric circle scale to where we're all part

975
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:54,880
of the same system. But really the papacy is like

976
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,280
the key holder the petrine office, not just of Rome

977
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,599
or Christianity, but of all the world religion. As you see,

978
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,159
so you're you're a Hindo, You're just kind of Hindus

979
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:06,079
are just kind of outer further on the scale from

980
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,960
the Muslim, and the Muslim is is outer, it's closer

981
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:13,679
than the non denominational Protestant, and then the nounomenial Protestant

982
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,960
is a little closer, a little further out than the Anglican,

983
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,639
and then then you get closer in with the Orthodox,

984
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:21,760
and then you get the Roman Catholic. Right, So it's

985
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,920
like this this concentric circles of the world religions that

986
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:28,679
you know, which is self absurd, right, I mean again,

987
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,239
which everything that we said, like in the first hour,

988
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,480
dealing with the fact that logically speaking, you can show

989
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:38,960
that there's no commonality you know, quantifier shift fallacy just

990
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,880
because they use the same word God any more than

991
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,679
you know, uh, I'm worshiping the you know, same deity

992
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,800
as the scientologists, because they believe in one deity. It's

993
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,840
just ridiculous speak.

994
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:54,119
Speaker 6: A little bit. Then to the you talk about it's

995
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,280
essentially a sort of subverted institution at the very top.

996
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,960
You know, people speculate, well, this is because the Freema,

997
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,599
the Freemason said they're going to take over the Vatican

998
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:05,039
a long time ago, and they've been slowly infiltrating it.

999
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,840
As you said, people say, no, it's it's a Jesuit

1000
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,920
conspiracy withinside the Church. But the sort of liberation theolod

1001
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,800
Well that has it has Communist Marxist tendencies. Talk about

1002
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,320
then what even the lavender mafia talk about the subversion

1003
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:26,880
of the Catholic Church. How did this elite, the sort

1004
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,239
of top of this pyramid within the Catholic Church become subverted?

1005
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,079
Speaker 7: Well, again, I would say one of the clues to

1006
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:38,440
this would be the writings of the popes themselves about

1007
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:41,639
masonry and about revolutionary philosophies. If you go and you

1008
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:46,320
read Gregory the sixteenth or seventeenth was the first pope

1009
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,519
backing i think the seventeen hundreds to write the first

1010
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:53,000
encyclical against freemasonry. There's a whole list of these multiple

1011
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:54,880
condinations from the Holy Office. You can come all the

1012
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,920
way up to Leo the thirteenth, where again he wrote

1013
01:06:58,239 --> 01:07:04,840
Humanum Janus where he was condemning freemasonry. You know, pretty strongly.

1014
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,000
This is the you know, late eighteen hundreds, and they

1015
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:16,119
correctly saw that the philosophy of masonry is a revolutionary

1016
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:19,079
philosophy that ultimately gives way to technocracy. I mean, we

1017
01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:23,079
think of some of the key revolutionary philosophers. We've got Voltaire,

1018
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:25,880
we've got Saint Simone, we've got goose coomped. These are

1019
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,599
all people who are in the circles of what those

1020
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:31,519
encyclicals are condemning. And so the Ore the thirteenth, for example,

1021
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:36,400
calls Masonry organized naturalism, which is just to replace religion

1022
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:43,400
with the processes of natural science. So scientism, revolutionary technocracy

1023
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,079
is what is ultimately being kind of targeted there.

1024
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:48,039
Speaker 6: And so the.

1025
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 7: Lodges have always been promoters of scientism and political revolution.

1026
01:07:56,119 --> 01:07:58,440
This is why we don't live in our monarchies anymore.

1027
01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:00,800
Why the world, except for the Britain monarchy, which is

1028
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,440
itself a Masonic monarchy, all the monarchies have been toppled

1029
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,159
and what we live under is these democratic republics, because

1030
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:11,239
that is the free Masonic philosophy. And also part of

1031
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:17,760
that philosophy is scientism. You know, actually Masonry can can

1032
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:23,880
encompass either Marxism, socialism, or capitalism. They're all equally fully

1033
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:29,600
masonically compatible, and Freemasons have been all the above. And

1034
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,119
that's because the end goal is none of those things, right.

1035
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:35,920
The end goal for those systems is the sort of

1036
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:41,159
Luciferian final system, the final stage of whatever their technocratic

1037
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,560
utopia type system is, which is transhumanism, et cetera. This

1038
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:49,840
is why, you know, Huxley basically says that the technocracy

1039
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:55,600
of it's what the revolutionaries of the philosos the illuminous,

1040
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,319
the vice shop, right, Jacobin, this is what they were

1041
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:05,800
really after the time, was this future technocratic utopia, dystopia,

1042
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,560
and it's the overthrowing of thrown in altar. Right. The

1043
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,560
fundamental element of Masonic oaths and rituals at a certain

1044
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,760
point in terms of the philosophy is the attitude the

1045
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,159
outlook is to get rid of throne and altered, so

1046
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,520
church and state out of there and we get the

1047
01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:29,199
revolutionary democratic republic, right, which is run by the you know,

1048
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,760
eliter the teplocrats, right that they become the new priests

1049
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,439
class basically, right. So there's a long history of that

1050
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:42,479
that's been going on. That's what undergirds the Masonic you know,

1051
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,520
papal war. But exactly what date I don't know. It

1052
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:53,000
doesn't really matter because most whether it was Benedicta fifteenth

1053
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:56,359
for example, who affirmed the United Nations or Schume the

1054
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,479
legal nations. So we already have Benedicta the fifteenth uh

1055
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,520
famously affirming and supporting the League of Nations, which is

1056
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,159
bizarre to me. While he would do that very possible,

1057
01:10:07,319 --> 01:10:11,159
very possible, it was already subverted at that time. Maybe

1058
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,800
we could even point to Pious the Ninth and Vatican One.

1059
01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:16,319
I mean, he's the one that you know, is confirming

1060
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:20,640
and affirming total papal supremacy. So maybe even Vatican One

1061
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,039
is the point of of subversion and the anti price

1062
01:10:24,119 --> 01:10:29,000
system in the Church. And in fact, Pious the Ninth

1063
01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:33,319
himself was for a while a part of the revolutionary philosophy.

1064
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 6: Uh.

1065
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 7: He was one of the young Italian revolutionaries. And then

1066
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,720
he later becomes the pope and he gets locked in

1067
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,960
the Vatican for a while when when when it's besieged

1068
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,319
by revolutionaries, which are Masonic revolutionaries, so he's like, actually

1069
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,720
he's actually under house arrest in the Vatican for a while.

1070
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:52,520
And then supposedly that's when he realizes, Okay, maybe the

1071
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,920
revolution is not a good idea. They're gonna they're gonna

1072
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,600
come behead the pope, right, They're not my friend. Uh,

1073
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,840
and so he has this change of supposed to lead

1074
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,199
and then he you know, then Vatican won and all this,

1075
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:07,520
and so whether what this specific date is it doesn't

1076
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,000
really matter. And really, again, you can go back, like

1077
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:12,960
you said to you can go back to the Borges

1078
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:17,560
and Medichi's, the extremely corrupt papacy, Alexander the sixth They

1079
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,840
were all a humanists, they were all, you know, platonists,

1080
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:24,720
probably didn't even believe the religion at all. Yeah, and

1081
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,399
and and you know, you can go back further, probably

1082
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,159
to Charlemagne and the period win the papacy begins to

1083
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:34,640
be not in Charlotte's day that there was a good

1084
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,720
pope at that time, but after that is when you

1085
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,760
start getting the co opting of the office. And so

1086
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,000
it's anybody's guess exactly when this happened. But you know,

1087
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,359
we can look to the Vatican bank scandals of the

1088
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:50,920
last sixty years, the p two, the PG lodge, Bishop Marcinkus,

1089
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:55,560
the famous hanging of the robertal Kylbi, the Vatican banker

1090
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,960
under the Black Fires Bridge, him being murdered by the mafia.

1091
01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:01,600
I mean, all of that is also another indicator of

1092
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,960
clearly at that point, right when we're getting into the

1093
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:10,000
fifties the sixties, because it really the visible change is

1094
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:13,119
John the twenty third, because Pie is the twelfth still

1095
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:16,199
had the remnants of some traditional ideas of the papacy,

1096
01:12:16,319 --> 01:12:20,680
although he did write the encyclical that allows for Catholics

1097
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,720
to accept the theistic evolutions. In that sense, you could

1098
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,760
say he was a revolutionary too. But John the twenty

1099
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,680
third is who is the first modernist pope, right, He

1100
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,960
writes Pacham and teras calling for global economic interest, for

1101
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:38,680
a global monitoring of the economy. You know, this kind

1102
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,239
of Ulien type stuff from John the twenty third. John

1103
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:46,159
twenty third is the first to invite Protestants to come

1104
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:48,960
to the Vatican to pray, uh to do these sort

1105
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,920
of acumenist type meetings that didn't involved prayer. That was

1106
01:12:53,039 --> 01:12:56,439
very revolutionary. He's the first to invite Communists to the Vatican, again,

1107
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:01,079
very revolutionary. John twenty third of course calls back right,

1108
01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:06,159
so at least to public appearances, it's really do only

1109
01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:08,520
twenty third is the first. And there's a lot of

1110
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,600
rumors that he was involved in freemasonery and rosecution. I

1111
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,600
don't know that's true. I don't really need to know

1112
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,600
if that's true, because I can tell by his public

1113
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,520
actions and what he's doing Aboutican two and what he's

1114
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,520
promoting right where he stands, right, I don't have to

1115
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,439
know his motives. I don't have to know. You know,

1116
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,920
if he's promoting no strataate in this kind of bullshit,

1117
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:29,359
then I know he's a bad guy.

1118
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 6: So speak again with what you know. Recently, I saw

1119
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,439
there was some priests, Catholic priests in Italy that got

1120
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,800
arrested or there's some type of reprimmendation for them having

1121
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,279
gay orgies and buying drugs with church money, and the

1122
01:13:44,359 --> 01:13:49,600
whole Lavender mafia, the sort of gay cardinal secret cult

1123
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,119
inside the Vatican. Are you familiar with this? Have you

1124
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:52,760
heard about this?

1125
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean there's been multiple books written over this

1126
01:13:56,039 --> 01:13:58,600
is another This is just another daily news cycle for

1127
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,279
the Vatican. I mean that's I mean, over the last

1128
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,000
fifteen years, I've heard countless versions of this story. So

1129
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:09,840
this is just another day, just another day in Rome.

1130
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,199
Speaker 9: Right, I mean talking to a Jesuit and he was

1131
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,880
very open that it's kind of a no, you know,

1132
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,760
it's not uncommon for seminarians to sleep with priests, and

1133
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,239
that this was a sort of unspoken thing that he had.

1134
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:25,119
Speaker 7: A well known Yeah, this was a there are whole

1135
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:27,880
books written on this. Michael Rose has a book goodbye,

1136
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:33,199
good men, just about this issue in the last at

1137
01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:35,640
least since Vatican two or since the seventies of how

1138
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,520
this is like most of the Roman Catholic clergy. I

1139
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,640
don't think people understand this. I had a good trad

1140
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,880
friend for many years and we were having discussion about

1141
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,760
the various studies that have been done about, you know,

1142
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:55,239
sexual preferences amongst from Catholic clerics. And somebody had said, oh,

1143
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:59,720
the public numbers were something like forty or fifty percent, right,

1144
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:05,720
skittles and good. One of my good, very active Catholic

1145
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,920
friends at the time was like, no, it's more like seventy, right.

1146
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,600
I mean, well, a lot of those people weren't telling

1147
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,600
the truth, and I think that it probably is sixty

1148
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,000
to seventy percent would be My guests are skittles. And

1149
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,920
I've known seminarians who had to leave various seminaries because

1150
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:24,119
they were expected to have those kinds of relations with

1151
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:29,640
the rectors and with the bishops. Yeah, so as well known.

1152
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,399
I mean, in fact, entire orders are are skittles and people.

1153
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:35,119
Everybody knows this.

1154
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1155
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really sad to see. And you can so

1156
01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:43,760
the sexual degeneracy and then the promotion of the sort

1157
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,279
of the global research. I mean to me, as an

1158
01:15:46,359 --> 01:15:51,520
Orthodox where morality dictates the cleanliness of one's noetic perception

1159
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,359
of reality itself, that it all goes together, the sexual degeneracy,

1160
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:00,039
the global warming, the global reset, the mass migration, and

1161
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,239
it's all one thing.

1162
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 7: And I think we should point out too. But yeah,

1163
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,720
because at a certain point, because a lot of Roman

1164
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,600
Catholics are going to say, dude, you guys have sat

1165
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,560
you have you guys have problems, you guys have skills. People. Hey,

1166
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,359
and the the argument is not orthodoxy is true because

1167
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,119
you have those problems. Nobody's making that argument. Nobody would

1168
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:21,760
be so foolish as to say that.

1169
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

1170
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 7: And nobody's saying, oh, orthodoxy is spot. We don't have

1171
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,960
any acumenists, we don't have any No, no, no, that's

1172
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:31,399
not the point. The point is the scope, the scale,

1173
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,880
the quantity, the promotion, the insanity that the extremity of it.

1174
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,399
I mean we're not just talking about I mean, if

1175
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,319
you read the German report about them. Did you see

1176
01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:41,720
the report about the nuns in Germany?

1177
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:44,399
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, well you shared it. That's how I saw it.

1178
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,520
Speaker 7: I mean, it's like, this is like a whole other

1179
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,720
level of in the rampant examples of of the Satanic

1180
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,800
abuse in the Roman Caolic Church. I mean it's not

1181
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:58,800
just you know, a corrupt bishop of uh you know,

1182
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:03,399
taking money or you know people, it's it's like extreme

1183
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:05,479
Satanic stuff.

1184
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 6: Well, I saw that there was a Again, I don't know,

1185
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,960
it's curious what your opinion is, but an insider quote

1186
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,600
unquote saying that Harry Kissinger talked about attending a black

1187
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,119
Mass in the Vatican, and that George w or George H.

1188
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:20,239
Bush was there, and that this is a known thing,

1189
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:22,439
that there's black masses in the Vatican. Have you ever

1190
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:22,960
heard about this?

1191
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have a whole shelf on the history of

1192
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,439
that stuff. So now I don't know if that's the case,

1193
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,279
I wouldn't be surprised. But multiple people have written books

1194
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:37,239
on networks of the of the Satanic cult and kind

1195
01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:41,079
of secret societies in various Roman Catholic circles. I mean,

1196
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:46,239
you have you know, the cardinal from Scotland best friends

1197
01:17:46,279 --> 01:17:50,680
with Jimmy Savell, multiple pictures of them with children. Savel

1198
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,640
was was awarded knighthood by John pull the second. I

1199
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,199
mean they had to know. I mean you get vetted

1200
01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:58,640
by security services before you go talk to the Pope.

1201
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,960
There's no way they didn't know who Jimmy Seville was

1202
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,439
and what he did as a fixer, as a procurer

1203
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:08,000
of children, you know, with this this open satanic you

1204
01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:11,880
know persona and relationship that Saval had, There's no way

1205
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,960
these people didn't know this. Then you know he's getting

1206
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,239
these awards. I mean, it's just insane. And people just

1207
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:20,800
simply refuse and won't believe that their leaders are that

1208
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,560
corrupt because it would really mean the whole that they've

1209
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,239
been lied to and they've been believing a lie, and

1210
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:29,039
so they would rather double down on delusions than simply

1211
01:18:29,119 --> 01:18:31,680
to admit that they're being lied to and they've been deceived.

1212
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:34,279
But I mean, the same people that are on the

1213
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:39,000
nightly news, the webs of mass destruction people, I mean,

1214
01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:41,840
they're lying just as much as these people are lying, right,

1215
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,600
So if you think those people are lying, don't you

1216
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,560
also think their buddies of the Vatican are lying?

1217
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,079
Speaker 6: Right? Absolutely? And it's so funny. People like the Stephen

1218
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:54,720
Colberts of the world are like the public figureheads of

1219
01:18:55,079 --> 01:18:57,720
a Catholic you know, or how do I promote my

1220
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:02,279
Catholic faith. And again he's a total subverter, total stood

1221
01:19:02,399 --> 01:19:05,520
for the deep state of the global you know nothing,

1222
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,359
he says, you can believe it even to be his

1223
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:08,000
own opinion.

1224
01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 7: Well, he is a Catholic, because again, Catholicism is whatever

1225
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,359
you want it to be. If you wanted to be

1226
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,560
skittles and uh, you know, chopping up B A B

1227
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,039
I s at plan p A r N T H

1228
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:25,520
O O D, and then that's what it is for you.

1229
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,039
If you want it to be medieval knights crusading and

1230
01:19:29,159 --> 01:19:31,800
chopping off heads, they can be whatever you want.

1231
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:36,239
Speaker 6: You kind of mentioned it again. I had a list

1232
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:41,720
of topics, but would you mind speaking maybe a little

1233
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,920
bit more on on like I'm not too familiar on

1234
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:46,680
the erection of the Vatican Bank.

1235
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 7: What is the history?

1236
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 6: How did this thing come about? You know, I know

1237
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,760
a little bit about usury and the Mediceese being really

1238
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,760
the first force in Western Europe to really okay usury

1239
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,159
in a in a real sys somatic way. How does

1240
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:06,319
this relate to the Vatican Bank. What is you know

1241
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,399
some of the background on the Vatican Bank that people

1242
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:09,000
would need to know.

1243
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 7: All right, So Hoffen also has a book on this

1244
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:16,920
about the papal reversal a position on usury. So everybody

1245
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,840
knows for the first thousand news Christianity, you aren't supposed

1246
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,479
to do usury, right, So the papacy then makes changes

1247
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,680
and sort of oh, well, you can do in this case,

1248
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,760
this case, this case. So the renaissance are of papacy

1249
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,520
is you're exactly right where this reversal occurs, and this

1250
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,640
is really what paves the way for modern banking. Modern

1251
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,119
banking couldn't have happened if you hadn't had that medieval

1252
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:41,279
power structure having a shift a position on this stuff.

1253
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,319
So in many ways, the modern world is a product

1254
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:48,279
of the Vatican. You could say, maybe not directly, but

1255
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:52,640
I mean even law right, legal theory actually goes back

1256
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,600
to medieval canon law and the Holy Office. A lot

1257
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,880
of people don't know that the Inquisition and the procedural

1258
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,600
approach of the Inquisition, for example, had a huge impact

1259
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,680
on Western legal theory, which I'm not saying that was

1260
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,920
about that. Actually there's a lot of good things believed

1261
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:13,039
or not in inquisitional procedure that would go into Western

1262
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:15,520
legal theory about the rights of the accused, all this

1263
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,000
kind of stuff. So a lot of that is overplayed

1264
01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:23,039
and and kind of misunderstood. So but that's a different topic.

1265
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:26,720
And when it comes to legal theory itself, our monetary theory, yeah,

1266
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:32,760
I think that eventually what happens is that you get

1267
01:21:33,079 --> 01:21:37,439
the allowance for fiat money, money printing, all these kinds

1268
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,079
of which would which would would have been previously seen

1269
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:47,479
as dubious immoral practices in terms of banking, become the

1270
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,039
norm in the West. I don't think directly, because I

1271
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:53,279
don't think the papers was directly causing that, but you

1272
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:56,199
get the allowance of these things, which opens the pendor's box,

1273
01:21:56,319 --> 01:22:01,039
is the point. And so eventually, I don't think the

1274
01:22:01,119 --> 01:22:04,039
Vatican Bank started as a thing where they were just

1275
01:22:04,079 --> 01:22:06,000
trying to make money or its like a It was

1276
01:22:06,079 --> 01:22:08,319
the institute of you know, religious works. It was just

1277
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:10,079
kind of going to be this thing where that you know,

1278
01:22:10,359 --> 01:22:13,800
they could promote good works through money for the Diocese

1279
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,359
of Rome and the Church Rome. But what eventually happens,

1280
01:22:17,399 --> 01:22:19,880
I think is that because there's so much wealth and

1281
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,960
power that the Vatican eventually accrues, it's just too much,

1282
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:28,439
it's too over the top that when it becomes eventually

1283
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,640
this bank that is part of the global usery based

1284
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,640
banking scam is when it really becomes just this nightmare.

1285
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,079
And this is where we get the famous Vatican banking scandal,

1286
01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:43,800
where now it's tied into the global economy, it's tied

1287
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:48,079
into the giant trillion dollar debt based system, it's tied

1288
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:50,199
into the mafia. This is all well documented. It's not

1289
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,760
a conspiracy theory. It's a very famous, well known, documented

1290
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,319
event of the Vatican bank scandals, and it eventually led

1291
01:22:57,359 --> 01:23:01,319
to the assassination of multiple people. One of the famous

1292
01:23:01,359 --> 01:23:04,199
bishops involved in this is Bishop Marcinkus. Go look it up.

1293
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,319
And the famous banker who died, the Vatican banker Roberto Calvi.

1294
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,359
He ends up assassinated by the mafia over this gigantic

1295
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,960
money laundering scheme. So we're organized crime the Vatican. They're

1296
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,159
joined at the hip at this point, very clearly from

1297
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:21,680
the scandal. And even after the Vatican banking scandal, it's

1298
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,439
not like, oh, well it went away. I mean, there

1299
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:30,560
have been multiple Vatican banking scandals involving money laundering, bribery, theft, deception,

1300
01:23:31,239 --> 01:23:34,560
death's assassinations in the last several decades, so it's not

1301
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:39,079
like this went away in the you know, fifty sixty seventies. No, no, no,

1302
01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:43,000
it's still ongoing. There have been major Vatican banking scandals

1303
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,840
in the last couple of years. And again, the Vatican

1304
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,920
Bank is not any different than any of the other

1305
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:52,880
international banks. It's one of them. It's tied into the

1306
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:58,960
shadow banking structure. It's just another element of the you know,

1307
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:02,600
bast system. And so the human t R A F

1308
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,279
F I, C K, I, n G. The blackmail that

1309
01:24:06,359 --> 01:24:10,039
goes on through clerics being compromised, which by the way

1310
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:14,680
wim Hoff covers. I mean that all ties into these

1311
01:24:15,319 --> 01:24:18,840
banking elite scandals because it's the banks that run the world.

1312
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:24,359
Speaker 6: Right, then why the Vatican is so in favor of

1313
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:27,239
the Great Reset, Because not only are they yeah, he's

1314
01:24:27,279 --> 01:24:30,680
a tool of these humanist institution, but they're financially in

1315
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,439
line and in lockstep with the Great Reset itself.

1316
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,159
Speaker 7: Oh, totally, And it's very obvious. It's totally evident to

1317
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,359
the whole world, and everybody knows it. And the rom

1318
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:41,319
mccallochs lie to themselves, Oh but he's not really or oh,

1319
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,600
I'll just wait until there's a bays pope. You're not

1320
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,199
going to get a bas pope. Guess what, Francis stacked

1321
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:49,439
the cardinals with non based cardinals. Who do you think

1322
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,000
the non based cardinals are going to elect a bays pope?

1323
01:24:52,039 --> 01:24:54,399
Are you serious? There are no base cardinals, there's no base.

1324
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,479
You're not going to get whoever that black dude from

1325
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,239
Africa is, and he's he's a opponent Vatican two anyway,

1326
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:04,079
So I don't know what people think that cardinal. What's

1327
01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:05,079
his face? That black dude?

1328
01:25:05,359 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I know that you've posted recently on some

1329
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,800
of the what you what's your thoughts on the whole

1330
01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:15,920
Canadian thing where they're finding the remains of the of

1331
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:19,319
the natives at these Catholic sites. I've seen some people

1332
01:25:19,399 --> 01:25:23,479
in an orthosphere post that this was a hoax, that

1333
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:27,520
this was a sort of political ploy, But I mean,

1334
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:31,880
the Vatican has Cathosism itself, has a whole history of

1335
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,319
killing people pretty ruthlessly. What are your thoughts on some

1336
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:38,159
of the because that's some contemporary news that.

1337
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 7: I don't find it hard to believe. Obviously I don't

1338
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,840
know one hundred percent certitude, but I watched two documentaries

1339
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,119
on it. I watched multiple interviews with people who had

1340
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:53,439
lived in these orphanages in Canada, I think that a

1341
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,000
lot of them are telling the truth. And when I

1342
01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:58,800
compare it to other cases of orphanages that aren't just

1343
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,319
about indigenous peoples. I mean, you can go to the

1344
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:06,680
orphanages in Ireland, the ones in Scotland, there's cases a

1345
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,279
Jersey where I think the one in Jersey wash it

1346
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,279
was where they found you know, like piles of bones

1347
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:18,560
in the corner. There ben rumors for many many years

1348
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:23,079
of again satanic and occultic practices in these places. So

1349
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,399
I don't think that's hard to believe at all. In fact,

1350
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:28,399
it's not in print anymore. But William Kennedy wrote a

1351
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,600
book back before all this came out in two thousand

1352
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,560
and three or four called Lucifer's Lodge, and he was

1353
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,479
just documenting the cases of this stuff up until two

1354
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,600
thousand and three or four. So many, many more cases

1355
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,920
have come out, and so again it's not just look

1356
01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:48,199
up the satanic practices that were going on at the

1357
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,079
orphanage in Scotland where they admitted it with Satanic Look

1358
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:54,960
at how they were renting the boys out in Germany.

1359
01:26:55,359 --> 01:26:58,680
Admittedly I can't even say what they were doing in

1360
01:26:58,760 --> 01:26:59,119
that case.

1361
01:26:59,319 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 6: So just.

1362
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 7: So I don't find it hard to do. I know

1363
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,119
with the hum certitude that that that's what they were

1364
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,039
doing to the indigenous peoples and kind of know, but

1365
01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:09,880
I don't find it hard to believe given the other

1366
01:27:10,039 --> 01:27:14,680
cases that I can confirm, right absolutely, Yeah, the the

1367
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:22,199
and by the way, just because leftist groups take stories

1368
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,239
and try to use them, doesn't mean that there's not

1369
01:27:25,359 --> 01:27:28,319
some truth to the stories, right absolutely.

1370
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 6: And the grooming of children, I mean, this is a

1371
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:34,880
this is a known thing. And you know, even my

1372
01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:37,920
low Ye Monopolis himself, where did he experience his first

1373
01:27:38,079 --> 01:27:42,560
homoerotic relationship well with his priest and and so it's

1374
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,039
it's it's so out in the open that it's kind

1375
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:49,760
of hard as an Orthodox and I never really turned

1376
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,399
my gaze even coming back to Christ. Catholicism was always

1377
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,359
a real difficult pill to swallow given some of these

1378
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,560
things that were they're so out in the open. At

1379
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:03,199
this point, I did find the traditionality interesting before really

1380
01:28:03,279 --> 01:28:08,680
diving into Orthodoxy. But the child grooming, the pedophilia, it

1381
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,319
is so so prevalent.

1382
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 7: And like that, I mean, that's what I'm trying to say,

1383
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,800
is that the at the organizational institutional level. This is

1384
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,960
so rampant and so widespread that it's as if the

1385
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:24,439
whole organization is basically an organized crime entity, right, which

1386
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:25,359
that's how I see it.

1387
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 6: Their bank is used to launder the money for all

1388
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:32,159
their crime. And this is not this is known, right,

1389
01:28:32,359 --> 01:28:35,960
So why people want to be in this baffles me.

1390
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,720
And I think people think that, you know, what they

1391
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,880
read in the church fathers, or what they read in

1392
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:44,840
the forged documents, which you know, the papacy has relied

1393
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,760
on countless dozens of forgeries to try to pop up

1394
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,560
this position because it was so ahistorical, they had to

1395
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,239
rely on all these I've got a list of the

1396
01:28:52,279 --> 01:28:54,920
forgeries right here. They rely on all these forgeries, you know,

1397
01:28:55,039 --> 01:28:56,880
forged documents to try to prove the papacy.

1398
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, if you're not being by forgeries,

1399
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,680
I don't understand why you would find this institution even

1400
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:09,439
convincing or dealing. I mean, it's not a haven of traditionalism,

1401
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:13,600
it's not. It is the revolution itself. Francis is a

1402
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,199
revolutionary and when you go into this institution as a

1403
01:29:17,319 --> 01:29:22,159
traditionally minded person, uh, Francis doesn't want you there. You're

1404
01:29:22,199 --> 01:29:24,479
not his he doesn't care about you, he wants you

1405
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,520
to go away. In fact, look what he just did

1406
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:31,600
to all the Trads exactly exactly so so that the

1407
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,880
irony ears of the Roman Catholics, the traditional Roman Catholics,

1408
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,039
that get so mad at us, and really, I think

1409
01:29:38,119 --> 01:29:41,359
that it's just lashing out. They're angry about their position,

1410
01:29:42,079 --> 01:29:45,119
their church, and really Francis, and a lot of the

1411
01:29:45,159 --> 01:29:48,199
anger is directed at us when it's you know, I'm

1412
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:51,359
not Francis, I'm not. I don't. There's no better evangelist

1413
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,199
for Orthodoxy than Pote Francis.

1414
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,359
Speaker 6: Amen to that. And you almost feel bad because I know,

1415
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,279
I have some Catholic friends and they're still there, you know,

1416
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,560
they're on the level, they're based, and they're still struggling

1417
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,439
with their faith. And it's like I'm always trying to

1418
01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:11,600
throw out lures that lead them back to Orthodoxy. And

1419
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:16,159
it's like the the ancestry of their family, their relationship

1420
01:30:16,279 --> 01:30:19,760
to Orthodoxy. You know how many generations I mean Catholicism,

1421
01:30:22,039 --> 01:30:25,800
I know, and and and it's I they can't get

1422
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,239
out of the historistity of their family tradition being part

1423
01:30:30,279 --> 01:30:30,920
of Cathology.

1424
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 7: Okay, well, that's just an idol. So that's we would

1425
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,479
all be idolators if we believe that, because our ancestors

1426
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:37,199
are all Pagans.

1427
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 6: But I mean, that's the only thing I can imagine

1428
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,399
why what would hold somebody in Catholicism at this point.

1429
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,399
There is no logical theological justification for why it'd be

1430
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,239
the true church. It has to be some like you said,

1431
01:30:53,319 --> 01:30:56,359
sort of idolizing of your family history of this is

1432
01:30:56,399 --> 01:30:58,520
what you know our granddad did, and he was such

1433
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:03,760
a great guy. It just falls empty, It falls real empty.

1434
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 7: Well, the scary part about that, too, is how delusions work.

1435
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:10,199
And the problem is that the more that you buy

1436
01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:15,359
into and affirmed delusions, you're not hurting anybody but yourself.

1437
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,840
I mean, it's not like you're not getting at me

1438
01:31:18,119 --> 01:31:21,720
because you stay in Rome almost good dire convinced, my

1439
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,479
friends become tragile. You're gonna find out firsthand that the

1440
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,680
trad world is not what is cracked up to me.

1441
01:31:28,359 --> 01:31:31,880
And right the nightmare I was. I spent ten years

1442
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,680
in that world, so it's it's not it's not. The

1443
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,479
grass is not Greeners want to try to say if

1444
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:41,239
you go to the trad world and one thing I

1445
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:43,479
found too is that, like you said, a lot of

1446
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,039
the times when we talk to people who I'll put

1447
01:31:47,039 --> 01:31:50,680
it this way, I've never had a person who left

1448
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:57,279
Orthodoxy for Rome have a coherent, real conversation with any

1449
01:31:57,319 --> 01:31:59,560
of us or any any of my friends about why,

1450
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:02,359
in fact what always happens. And there was a couple

1451
01:32:02,359 --> 01:32:04,279
of people recently who did this in the last year.

1452
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,960
I know of two. They specifically said, I will not

1453
01:32:08,119 --> 01:32:10,039
speak to you, I don't want anything to do with you,

1454
01:32:10,079 --> 01:32:12,760
and I'm not going to talk to you. And it's like, well,

1455
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,199
did I do something personally? No, okay, but what wouldn't

1456
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:19,439
you want to at least bounce the ideas off, like

1457
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,239
you know what I mean, we're at least decent apologists

1458
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:23,880
over here, Like, wouldn't you want to hear some at

1459
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:25,880
least good arguments as to why maybe it's not the

1460
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:27,840
best choice. No, I want nothing to do with you.

1461
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:29,800
I'm not going to talk to you. I don't want it.

1462
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,359
So what that says to me is that the reasons

1463
01:32:33,399 --> 01:32:35,680
that they have and in one case, this one person said,

1464
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,680
when I prayed, I felt better doing Roman Cally prayers.

1465
01:32:41,079 --> 01:32:46,000
That's not a good argument. Again, that is pre delusion exactly.

1466
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,279
We're not. We don't choose our religion of the basis

1467
01:32:48,279 --> 01:32:51,039
of how we feel. I mean, if that was the case, Uh, well,

1468
01:32:51,119 --> 01:32:53,039
I got a burning in my bosom when I prayed,

1469
01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:54,560
So I guess I should go to you know this

1470
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:55,439
or that cold man.

1471
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, So in that idea, like, for example, the gentleman

1472
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:06,199
of your example leaving Orthodoxy not wanting to engage with

1473
01:33:06,279 --> 01:33:08,560
you because you may sway him from his decision to

1474
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,279
go back to Catholicism, and then even basing it in

1475
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,880
emotional I mean, Saint Ignatius, his whole prayer is about

1476
01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:22,000
fantastic imaginating places for prayer and devotion and then immense

1477
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,159
Pietism in the way that you feel and get an

1478
01:33:24,199 --> 01:33:27,319
Orthodoxy we say, who watch out with being way too

1479
01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:29,479
emotional and way too in your imagination.

1480
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 7: Well, one of these people was a girl, so that's

1481
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:34,880
actually why she wanted to go on that route. Another

1482
01:33:35,079 --> 01:33:39,000
person was a dude who specifically would not have anything

1483
01:33:39,079 --> 01:33:43,479
to do or discuss anything with any of us. And again,

1484
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,600
I mean, that's your prerogative, but it's not really going

1485
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:49,439
to hurt my feelings if you don't like me. But again,

1486
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:51,319
I would just I would think that if I was

1487
01:33:51,359 --> 01:33:53,479
going to make a decision like that, I would want

1488
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:57,680
to know the best case and the best arguments, irregardless

1489
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,880
of the person giving the argument right, right? What the

1490
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:01,960
other position was?

1491
01:34:02,199 --> 01:34:02,319
Speaker 3: Right?

1492
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 7: So what's the best arguments for Orthodoxy? What was the

1493
01:34:05,039 --> 01:34:07,119
best arguments from Catholicism? I want to see both of

1494
01:34:07,159 --> 01:34:10,399
those right. And that's, you know, really what I tried

1495
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,520
to do. That's the approach. I took many, many years

1496
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,159
looking at both of those arguments, both those systems and

1497
01:34:15,279 --> 01:34:17,600
not just the arguments. But like, where have both of

1498
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,720
these churches gone? Right? Where did Rome go in the

1499
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,920
last fifteen years? Where did Orthodoxy go in the last

1500
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:23,439
fifteen years?

1501
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 3: Right?

1502
01:34:24,399 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 6: No, And that has to do with a pursuit of

1503
01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:30,720
an honest pursuit and sincere pursuit of truth, of which

1504
01:34:31,039 --> 01:34:35,239
is the incarnation of Jesus Christ, the logos Jesus Christ

1505
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,640
is the truth. Truth is who, not of what. And

1506
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,800
so my own journey back to Orthodoxy deeply in the psychedelics,

1507
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,279
deeply into the drug scene. But it was I was

1508
01:34:44,319 --> 01:34:46,439
honestly thought it was true, and I was open to

1509
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,239
change my mind and I'm learning, I'm taking a new information,

1510
01:34:50,039 --> 01:34:54,640
and that journey leads me to Orthodoxy and even led

1511
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,760
me to your content, of which you are on the

1512
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,319
same path, and that you're apologetics. So if I am

1513
01:34:59,399 --> 01:35:01,840
able to do any thing positive with my channel, it's

1514
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,520
trying to put out truthful things in the pursuit of truth,

1515
01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:08,439
no matter whoever it comes from or who it comes from,

1516
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,239
and then take that and navigate based on that information.

1517
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:14,199
And I feel like so many of the people I

1518
01:35:14,319 --> 01:35:17,279
know that are still stuck in Roman Catholicism. They can

1519
01:35:17,359 --> 01:35:20,640
see so much of what's going on because their trad values,

1520
01:35:21,359 --> 01:35:23,479
Yet then when it comes back to the Church and

1521
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:27,119
the absolute degeneracy of their institution, they don't want to

1522
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:29,279
look at it. And to me, that's in negating of

1523
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,119
Christ himself and the pursuit of truth, which is why

1524
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:34,920
then the Church is the way it is. The Catholic

1525
01:35:35,039 --> 01:35:36,479
Church is the way it is because of that.

1526
01:35:37,159 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 7: Well one of the other tried myths that needs to

1527
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,880
be exploded, which is another kind of weird delusion, as

1528
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,600
a lot of Roman Catholics think that they can have

1529
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:49,880
their Roman Catholicism regardless and irrespective of Rome. I don't

1530
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,239
care what Francis does. I'm gonna go Latin Mass I'm

1531
01:35:52,279 --> 01:35:55,520
gonna do my trad stuff. That's my religion. But that's

1532
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,880
not how the Roman Catholic system works. You don't get

1533
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:01,640
to erect your mental Roman Catholic that has nothing to

1534
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,600
do with Rome. Because the fundamental nature of the Church

1535
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,920
in the Roman Catholic system is defined at Vatican One

1536
01:36:07,319 --> 01:36:12,600
and is essentially constituted by Rome and the living successor

1537
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,600
in Rome. You have no right, no prerogative. In fact,

1538
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,000
you're condemned for saying that I'm going to have my

1539
01:36:19,119 --> 01:36:23,439
Roman Catholicism irregardless, with nothing to do with the guy

1540
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,520
in Rome. That's totally contrary. It's condemned. In fact. In

1541
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,399
terms of Vatican One, Vatican One says that the Roman

1542
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:35,520
Catholic Institution, as a visible institution, can never lose its

1543
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,319
constituent elements and parts, and some of those are things

1544
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:45,399
like international visibility. It's a visible international institution. It has

1545
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:49,239
a living head and successor and always will until the

1546
01:36:49,359 --> 01:36:51,960
return of Christ. So that doesn't mean that there's not

1547
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:55,840
periods of vacancy when they're going to elect a pope,

1548
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,279
but it's saying that there will never cease to be

1549
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,880
a living, visible successor to the office of Peter under

1550
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,960
that terrorism of the Holy Spirit until the end of

1551
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,880
the world. This is all laid out very clearly in

1552
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,880
Vatican One. Everybody who's a Roman Catholic who doesn't know

1553
01:37:10,039 --> 01:37:12,960
this should go print out and Rea Vatican one, because

1554
01:37:14,119 --> 01:37:16,159
I'm serious, so many people in my experience in the

1555
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:19,000
Roman Catholic world, they're just ignorant of what Vacan one

1556
01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:21,239
actually says, and they think that they can do this

1557
01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:25,640
like Protestant move where they have a Roman Catholicism of

1558
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,159
their own in their head that's not connected to Rome.

1559
01:37:29,319 --> 01:37:32,000
That doesn't work, that doesn't exist. You don't get to

1560
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:37,399
have an historian, invisible church version of Catholicism that's not

1561
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:41,920
based on the living successor to Peter in Rome. Right,

1562
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:46,319
That's what Vatican one says, right, right, And that's what

1563
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,039
they all want to do. They're all like, I don't

1564
01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:50,199
care what's happened in Rome for the last seventy years.

1565
01:37:50,199 --> 01:37:52,199
I'm going to do my thing. Okay, But that's not

1566
01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:54,560
Roman Catholicism. That's something else.

1567
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,039
Speaker 6: And that's the problem with you know, the whole SSPX

1568
01:37:58,159 --> 01:37:59,640
and a lot of those people.

1569
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 7: In care and and the trads too.

1570
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, now their their mass is being uh, you know,

1571
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,239
outlawed within this.

1572
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 7: Well, they're all saying, I don't care what Rome does.

1573
01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:13,399
It doesn't work like that, don't you know that Vatican

1574
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:17,199
One says that you have to adhere to the jurisdictional,

1575
01:38:17,319 --> 01:38:24,680
canonical and UH judgments of Rome, so that, in other words,

1576
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,119
when the when the Holy See pronounces a judgment on

1577
01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:33,840
this or that liturgical canonical issue, you can't reject it.

1578
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:38,279
You might believe it's wrong, but you can't reject it.

1579
01:38:38,359 --> 01:38:42,159
You don't have the authority to reject the juridical decisions

1580
01:38:42,199 --> 01:38:45,319
of the Roman See. That's actually a condemned proposition because

1581
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,319
at the time that that was added to Vatican One,

1582
01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:50,399
it's it's part of Vatican one. If you read densing here,

1583
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,279
there were theologians, for example, the time we were saying, oh, okay, well,

1584
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,600
I will accept uh the papal teaching only in so

1585
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,079
far as it's ex cathedral, and so there was some

1586
01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:03,640
theologians who said at that time that means I don't

1587
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:06,880
have to accept uh, like if the Holy Office censures

1588
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,159
me for teaching something like if they condemn me or

1589
01:39:09,239 --> 01:39:11,680
excommunicate me, or then I don't have to accept those

1590
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,720
things because they're not ex cathedral that is condemned, and

1591
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:18,760
it specifically say it's that you must follow the Roman

1592
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,800
See in all of her offices and decisions, including the

1593
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,520
Holy Office, which is an extension of the of the

1594
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,119
Roman See. So I mean you could see the like

1595
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,399
the new the the Sophistry and Casustrie that was being used,

1596
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:34,800
or people are trying to get around it. Well, I

1597
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:38,279
don't have to accept like, you know, the Holy Office

1598
01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:40,920
because that's not the Pope. Well, it specifically says that

1599
01:39:41,079 --> 01:39:43,319
it's an extension of the Pope. You do have to

1600
01:39:43,359 --> 01:39:47,159
accept it, right, because it's an action of the representatives

1601
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:49,840
of the Holy See. So this is all just just

1602
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:54,800
gains and nonsense that the trads do and play to

1603
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:56,319
try to get around these problems.

1604
01:39:57,159 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, my favorite, one of my favorite ones is the

1605
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,680
the sort of low IQ rebote, and I saw Nick

1606
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,960
Quintez said this to you and your debate with him

1607
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,399
as well, we're the true church because we were founded

1608
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,079
by Peter. And it's like, dude, did you not read

1609
01:40:10,119 --> 01:40:13,640
the Book of Acts? Like there's multiple churches you know,

1610
01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:17,079
for example, I'm in the antiochia In Church antioch INDIOK

1611
01:40:17,239 --> 01:40:21,000
was founded by Peter and Paul Way before Rome. So

1612
01:40:22,039 --> 01:40:23,359
what exactly you talking about it?

1613
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 7: I mean, earlier ecuminical councils state that every church that

1614
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:32,000
has absolute succession is as fully Catholic as any other church.

1615
01:40:32,039 --> 01:40:33,239
So this is ridiculous, right.

1616
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 6: Well, when you're talking about how they almost harm themselves

1617
01:40:39,079 --> 01:40:45,039
in the sort of delusion mouse traps mazes that the

1618
01:40:45,319 --> 01:40:47,600
Catholics go through. I mean, now we're seeing the Vatican

1619
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:52,000
promote the jab passport and getting the stabbies, and.

1620
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 7: Now this, I mean, what better example of the fact

1621
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,840
that he is a tool of the geopolitical powers that

1622
01:40:58,880 --> 01:40:59,720
we talked about than that.

1623
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,399
Speaker 6: Exactly, you can't even go so based on the presupposition,

1624
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,479
say I am a Roman Catholic, Well, I definitely want

1625
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,800
to go to the Vatican, and I want to, but

1626
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:11,800
I'm against abortion. So because I'm against abortion, I'm not

1627
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,000
going to put something with fetal cells inside of me.

1628
01:41:14,279 --> 01:41:17,319
But then the Vatican itself won't even let you in

1629
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:19,800
without your green pass What are you talking about?

1630
01:41:20,199 --> 01:41:22,159
Speaker 7: H And by the way, I found there used to

1631
01:41:22,199 --> 01:41:25,199
be some things on the Vatican website several years ago,

1632
01:41:25,319 --> 01:41:28,840
maybe five ten years ago that actually condemned using those

1633
01:41:29,399 --> 01:41:35,439
cell lines in stabbies, and it's apparently no longer the

1634
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,880
case that was under Benedict. So again, it's funny how

1635
01:41:39,079 --> 01:41:41,800
things just can reverse, right, like it's a sin to

1636
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:43,800
do it like ten years ago. Oh now it's cool,

1637
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,359
it's all good, donor right.

1638
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,279
Speaker 6: And I saw in certain parts of the US that

1639
01:41:48,399 --> 01:41:53,039
Catholic bishops were preventing priests from giving religious exemptions from

1640
01:41:53,079 --> 01:41:53,720
the stabbes.

1641
01:41:55,039 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, and if any trid wants to fuss about the

1642
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,640
worthwox world, I would totally agree with you. Wrong, whether

1643
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,479
it's in the world or the Orthodoxy anyway, it's wrong.

1644
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:07,000
But but the point is that the nature of the

1645
01:42:07,079 --> 01:42:10,880
Roman Catholic system is not the system that is Orthodoxy.

1646
01:42:11,039 --> 01:42:14,720
Orthodoxy doesn't have Bartholome you as a pope, right, He's

1647
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,920
not like there have been countless time, not countless, but

1648
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,880
many times when the patriarch concept and noble was a

1649
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,319
total heretic. And everybody knows this his famous instances in

1650
01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:27,520
the history of the church, many of them persecuted people

1651
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:31,520
who eventually became saints. Right, So we're not saying that

1652
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,760
a patriarch, any of these bishops can't apostatize. In fact,

1653
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:39,359
that's our whole point any patriarchy, any bishop can apostatize,

1654
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,239
including the one in Rome, and.

1655
01:42:41,319 --> 01:42:46,399
Speaker 6: He has clearly and so along. What we're seeing now

1656
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:50,520
within Catholicism is I forget what's the priest's name, and

1657
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,000
he's got like a he's online on Twitter and stuff

1658
01:42:53,039 --> 01:42:56,119
something Martin, and he promotes a lot of the homosexual stuff.

1659
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,279
Speaker 7: You know his name, Oh the famous Jesuit.

1660
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah that now now I know with some of

1661
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,640
the more trad bishops and priests and Catholicism were really

1662
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:08,159
upset because Francis sent him a glowing letter about his

1663
01:43:08,399 --> 01:43:14,960
work regarding same sex unions and marginalized communities. That you're

1664
01:43:15,079 --> 01:43:19,199
really seeing a real push within Catholicism for same sex unions.

1665
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,239
Speaker 7: Well, there was an issue a few months ago where

1666
01:43:22,279 --> 01:43:26,600
Francis in a video talked about how it might be

1667
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,760
advantageous to have the legalization of the civil unions too.

1668
01:43:31,239 --> 01:43:34,039
Speaker 6: What was his reason for it being advantageous just to

1669
01:43:34,079 --> 01:43:35,039
get more people or what?

1670
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 7: No, I think it was throwing I mean my analysis

1671
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,840
that he was throwing a bone either to that community,

1672
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,479
to the left, or he was testing the waters to

1673
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,359
see how far he could go to advance the revolution right.

1674
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 6: Which in my mind it is the Apostate church.

1675
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,079
Speaker 7: And so I mean all of the I mean all

1676
01:43:56,119 --> 01:43:58,760
of their apologists were all up in arms and going

1677
01:43:59,079 --> 01:44:02,199
having a hissy fit over it. And it's like, I mean,

1678
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:04,159
what about all the other stuff he does?

1679
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 3: Like he.

1680
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 7: I mean he goes to mosques and prays towards Mecca.

1681
01:44:10,039 --> 01:44:13,119
I mean that's an action of apostasy in your own

1682
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:16,600
theology and canon law. But they don't care. They don't care, right,

1683
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:18,840
That's what they just say. I don't care what he does.

1684
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,399
I don't care what he does. It doesn't matter. I

1685
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:22,680
don't have to listen to Rome. It's all. It's it's

1686
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:27,119
you notice how arbitrary it is as to what's infallible

1687
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:29,600
and binding and what's not. It's just whatever the Roman

1688
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,800
Catholic needs at the moment. Right, Oh, it's not, that's

1689
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:35,560
not infallible. It doesn't matter, it's not, it's not ex cathedral,

1690
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,199
and then when he needs it to be it is.

1691
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,600
This is again the irony is that there is no

1692
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:44,920
actual list for them as to what is dogma infallible

1693
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,720
and what isn't. So the very thing that they always

1694
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,560
try to roll out is like their trump card, their

1695
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:54,640
knockdown argument. Right, you don't have a way to know dogma. Okay,

1696
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,680
where is the list of the Roman Catholic dogmas? They

1697
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:01,119
don't have one. There is no infallible list. Yeah.

1698
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,159
Speaker 6: The relativism, as you're talking about, you started sort of

1699
01:45:04,279 --> 01:45:07,600
picking and choosing and finding things that are useful at

1700
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:10,279
certain points. I mean, to me, this is the spirit

1701
01:45:10,359 --> 01:45:14,000
of the anti Christ. If Christ is the truth, the

1702
01:45:14,119 --> 01:45:17,039
fact that the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church is

1703
01:45:17,239 --> 01:45:21,079
filled with all this really promoting the relativism is the

1704
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:25,319
negation of Christ himself, the negation of the validity and

1705
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:27,000
veracity of Christianity.

1706
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:31,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, it can't be apostasy in nineteen twenty eight to

1707
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:36,439
have inter religious prayer meetings and interfaith prayer meetings in

1708
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,000
nineteen sixty five. That be the work of the Holy

1709
01:45:39,039 --> 01:45:41,640
Spirit to do it right. It's just I can't. That's

1710
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,560
not possible. And they always say, give us one example

1711
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:50,840
of a contradiction chal There's one right there, which insane.

1712
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:54,359
By the way, Roman Catholics they really should read Mortalium

1713
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:59,039
Anemos because the whole encyclical is a virulence, I mean,

1714
01:45:59,239 --> 01:46:06,199
just rabbit refutation and rejection of Ecumenism in all forms,

1715
01:46:08,199 --> 01:46:11,720
and then it's night and day, the very opposite of

1716
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,079
what is in Vatican Two, in the Vatican two documents

1717
01:46:14,119 --> 01:46:17,560
and in the actions of the Vatican two papacy. Particularly.

1718
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,399
I'm sure you've seen the Assezi gatherings, are you familiar

1719
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,520
with us? Okay, so in nineteen eighty six, and then

1720
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,720
then again on something like nineteen ninety two or I

1721
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:30,279
don't know, someone in the nineties, they gathered together all

1722
01:46:30,319 --> 01:46:32,880
the world religions and have these big, famous prayer meetings.

1723
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,520
And you'll notice it's their famous pictures where John pull

1724
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,760
the Second is of their holding a plant or something,

1725
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,039
and he's up there with the Buddhists and with the

1726
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:44,760
Hindus and the Giantess, and there's even an Orthodox bishop

1727
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:49,119
there supposedly. And it's known as the Assezi Gatherings. And

1728
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:55,000
they famously went into the Saint Francis Cathedral in Italy,

1729
01:46:55,359 --> 01:46:59,880
in Assisi, and they draped blankets over all the crucifixes,

1730
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:03,439
so it's to not offend the world religions. They allowed

1731
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,439
voodoo practitioners to go into one of the rooms, they

1732
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:08,640
allowed all the other religions to go into the other rooms,

1733
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:12,279
and they had a World Religion Prayer Day where everyone

1734
01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:15,199
prayed to their gods. It's very famous incidents, but I

1735
01:47:15,239 --> 01:47:18,239
don't know why every Roman Catholic should know about this.

1736
01:47:19,319 --> 01:47:23,439
And uh, they even placed a little Buddha up on

1737
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:29,399
the altar to appease the Buddhists. And I mean, if

1738
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:31,840
that's if you can't see, if you don't have the

1739
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:35,319
spiritual discernment, not telling you, but people in general, if

1740
01:47:35,319 --> 01:47:38,119
people in general don't have the spiritual discernment to see

1741
01:47:38,199 --> 01:47:41,079
that that is apostasy, then I don't know what to

1742
01:47:41,159 --> 01:47:43,560
tell you. And you're in delusion, and you know it's

1743
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,279
just going to have to be God waking them up

1744
01:47:45,279 --> 01:47:48,079
out of that state, because I mean, that's just a

1745
01:47:48,279 --> 01:47:52,640
fundamentally impossible scenario to have all of the world religion.

1746
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,760
In fact, I mean, it was so bad Benedict had

1747
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,640
to do like damage control for it.

1748
01:47:59,239 --> 01:48:03,239
Speaker 6: Wow yeo. I mean, which you see now the Pacha

1749
01:48:03,279 --> 01:48:04,600
Mama veneration.

1750
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,399
Speaker 7: Patcha Mama is just an a logical extension of Vatican

1751
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:10,520
two in the Aszi gathering, and Pacha.

1752
01:48:10,319 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 6: Mama as a what do you want to call it,

1753
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:16,760
a spiritual entity is really just a sort of substantiation

1754
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,920
of the global warming cult in this new veneration of

1755
01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:20,920
nature itself.

1756
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:24,119
Speaker 7: I mean, Patcha Mama is a human sacrifice deity.

1757
01:48:24,039 --> 01:48:27,159
Speaker 6: Right in the Amazon. It related back to this sort

1758
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:31,279
of which is exactly one we're undergoing at a global

1759
01:48:31,399 --> 01:48:36,279
level right now. Is a sort of human sacrificial absolutely.

1760
01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:39,159
Speaker 7: And let's make a point about this that relates earlier

1761
01:48:39,279 --> 01:48:42,640
to the sleight of hand. And you mentioned the extreme

1762
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:47,399
Marion dogmas in Rome. One of the justifications that these

1763
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:51,079
people tried to give for Pascha Mama was precisely that, well,

1764
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:55,600
if they're as indigenous people honoring the Great Mother, that's

1765
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:59,880
no different than Mary. Really, so Mary is literally a

1766
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:04,359
eqivalent of a human sacrifice deity. In other words, is

1767
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,920
remember what we were saying earlier about how the word

1768
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:11,319
God is not a rigid designator. Right. But this is

1769
01:49:11,399 --> 01:49:15,439
the syncretistic approach of Roman Catholicism, you know, this is

1770
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,199
what you see in Santaia, right, which is, oh, well,

1771
01:49:18,319 --> 01:49:22,199
convert the masses by just saying that Mary is your patchemma.

1772
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,800
That's not real conversion. That's not what Christianity is. Christianity

1773
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,520
is not taking all the world religion symbols and then

1774
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,319
just saying that while we're all talking about the same thing. Bro,

1775
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:33,600
it's all the same. No, Mary is not a human

1776
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:36,000
sacrifice deity out of the Amazon. They're not the same thing.

1777
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:39,159
So the fact that the word great mother or mother

1778
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:42,640
is used does not mean it's the same reference.

1779
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 6: This is so stupid, right, absolutely, I'm not joking.

1780
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 7: That's literally the justification that they tried to use. I

1781
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:54,960
tried to say, well, it's a great mother, we have

1782
01:49:55,079 --> 01:49:57,680
the mother of God that they had tacos the same thing, bro.

1783
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,159
Speaker 6: But it's just like what you're talking about at the

1784
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:02,039
beginning of the stream, with what they do with the

1785
01:50:02,119 --> 01:50:05,119
concept of God in the New One World religion. It's

1786
01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:08,359
it's the same inflation of concepts and categories.

1787
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,239
Speaker 7: It's a word concept fallacy, it's a sleight of hand.

1788
01:50:12,279 --> 01:50:12,520
Speaker 3: It is.

1789
01:50:13,279 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 7: The stupid thing about this is that it doesn't produce converts.

1790
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:23,199
It produces aberrations and aberrant forms of the religion that

1791
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,479
lead to the very things that are the problem that

1792
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:26,159
we're talking.

1793
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,279
Speaker 6: About, right, which I believe is entirely intentional.

1794
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,399
Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, it's it's a it's a tool for

1795
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:35,800
religious engineering ultimately from the vantage point of the elite, right.

1796
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and and so the pascha, Mama, I

1797
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:45,479
mean it. It's getting Catholic in the Catholic world, whether

1798
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:50,039
they're conscientious of it or not to again subtly get

1799
01:50:50,279 --> 01:50:53,920
scooped up into the green religion.

1800
01:50:54,279 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 7: Which well, yeah, exactly. So remember the word catholic. So

1801
01:50:58,079 --> 01:50:59,840
if you read the in the in the first style

1802
01:51:00,039 --> 01:51:01,760
and years, when you're reading the Church fathers and the

1803
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,119
Saints and the councils, Catholic means the fullness of the

1804
01:51:04,199 --> 01:51:08,399
faith right. It does not equate to a number of

1805
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:11,079
people that believe it. That might be part of it,

1806
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:14,840
at least when the Church expands throughout the Empire. And yeah,

1807
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,520
there's a lot of people believe it. But the Catholic

1808
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,880
Church at various times, even in the Imperium, was very small.

1809
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,399
In the Arian Crisis, the number of true Catholics was

1810
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:28,119
very small in the days of Saint Maximus. Saint Maximus

1811
01:51:28,199 --> 01:51:31,000
famously said I am a Catholic and will always remain

1812
01:51:31,039 --> 01:51:33,279
a Catholic. Even if the number of Catholics is reduced

1813
01:51:33,319 --> 01:51:36,680
to five people. He said, I'll still be the I'll

1814
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,079
still be one of the Catholics. And he's expressing the

1815
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:43,239
point that Catholic means fullness does not equate to first

1816
01:51:43,279 --> 01:51:47,520
and foremost numbers of people. And this is another silly

1817
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:50,239
argument of the Roman Catholics, and they try to equate

1818
01:51:50,319 --> 01:51:52,439
the two and oh see where the true churches we

1819
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:53,880
have the most people. And that's what Catholic means. It

1820
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,439
means universal. And they're doing the same thing with universal,

1821
01:51:56,479 --> 01:52:00,159
where they say, oh see, universal means everything, and so

1822
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,960
every religion is really, you see, just part of the

1823
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:07,560
consenter circles of Catholicism. Right, absolutely, no, that's not what

1824
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,600
Catholic means. In the Creed, one Holy Catholic and Apostolic

1825
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:13,359
Church has nothing to do with all the religions being

1826
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:14,840
on a scale of being.

1827
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 6: In fact, the Creeds emphatically stating that this is the single,

1828
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:24,119
one true faith, path and purpose exactly. It's not ecumenical

1829
01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:26,439
whatsoever or perennialistic whatsoever.

1830
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,680
Speaker 7: It would be like saying it'd be like saying, well,

1831
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:34,800
we're all acumenists because they were ecumenical councils, and that's

1832
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:40,800
the same word. I think, how stupid that is, Like,

1833
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:44,960
as of ecumenism equates to ecumenical council It's totally different meanings.

1834
01:52:45,039 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 6: Dude, Oh my gosh, It reminds me of the people

1835
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:51,840
that you look at English words and come up with

1836
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:55,239
this whole uh theology of how all the you know,

1837
01:52:55,399 --> 01:53:00,520
all the religions are are star warship astro theot and

1838
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:02,640
they kind of mix and do they try to do

1839
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:03,239
This is a.

1840
01:53:03,239 --> 01:53:06,520
Speaker 7: Classic Jordan Maxwell move, right, Dordon Maxwell does this where

1841
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:13,439
he says Solomon, right, Solomon was actually soul home and on,

1842
01:53:14,279 --> 01:53:18,239
and it's like, dude, the name Solomon Shalom has nothing

1843
01:53:18,319 --> 01:53:20,600
to do with those other languages, right.

1844
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 6: That game's only played in English. And that's what I

1845
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:24,039
think for.

1846
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:27,319
Speaker 7: This, it's so stupid, so low i q. But ironically

1847
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what we're talking about is almost like another version of this,

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like really low iq uh slide. It's a sleight of hand, right.

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Imagine me trying to convert people being like, do you

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believe in God? I believe in God? Do we well

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believe in God? He's like, He's like, well, but I'm

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a voodoo practitioner. Yeah, but we both agree that we

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believe in God, so we're in the same religion. See,

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now you have to come to church with me? Like,

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who would buy that? It's just such a stupid argument, right,

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that's what's going on.

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Speaker 6: Well, and whether it be the pacha mama worship, be

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the marinology, or the sort of sympathetic yearnings it has

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towards the global warming, global climate chain, whatever they want

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to call it. Now you see the feminization of the

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church itself and how it's now wanting to even ordain

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women as priests, and that Orthodoxy really is the last

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vestige of any sort of patriarchal force within Christianity because

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the consumerism. Yeah, we might have some good Protestants or

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Evangelicals that are resistant things, but Protestantism itself, especially the

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way it exists in America, is replete with consumerism, you know,

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self worship, all these different things that doesn't masculinize a person.

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There's no tradition there. Orthodoxy is the last vestige of

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a sort of masculinized Christianity. And even though the trad

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Catholics want to talk about their crusaders of you know,

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the the eleventh Entry or whatever, it's it's a feminized

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institution at this point because it's so worldly, it's so

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in step with the progressive yearnings of the world. Right now,

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what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 7: And also you can say that in the fact that

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that older Crusader ethos, which itself is heterodox, but that

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older idea of Crusaders is actually given way to the

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obsessive Marian apparition reliance. And so the modern manifestations of

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Roman Falicism are almost completely dominated by Marianism, marion dogmas,

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and excessive uh Marian worship. Really, and I don't think anybody,

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I mean, I again, my years in the trad world,

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I met more trads that could tell you about you know,

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Fatima and magic, Goryan all this nonsense than could tell

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you what's in scripture. They probably couldn't tell you the

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Tank commandments, but they could tell you everything about you know,

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adam On Megigorian, all this nonsense. They don't know what's

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in the Book of John, but they know about so what.

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That's a clear example to me, right of this is

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an aberrant, you know, form of delusion. Really, I mean,

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the the saints that have really been stressed in the

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last few hundred years of the Romancolic Church are especially

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in the last few decades, saints that are confirmations of

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Vatican two, Right, I mean, we've got jose Maria Scrieva,

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We've got you know, Mother Terisa. I mean, these are

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expressions of the Vatican two religion and worldview, and even

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before them, you have these really historyonic manifestations of the

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of the feminine, which from the from the orthodixed perspective.

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This is a really important point because we think the

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experience of the saints is unified. There's not twenty hundred different,

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thousand mystical paths that everybody takes that involves all this

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nonsense of like, you know, Jesus giving people spiritual orgasms.

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I'm not joking, by the way. That's the real thing

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with Teresa Avila. You know, Jesus floating around in the

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host and telling Fostina Kowalska that she's the holiest and

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most best known in the world and their bff and

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boyfriend girlfriend. I'm not joking. That's what's in her revelations.

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All this nonsense that, by the way, you have to accept.

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If you're Catholic, you believe those things. You know, Jesus,

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Jesus carving his name into the chest of various saints,

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and you know, Jesus giving a circumcision ring to one

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of the women's saints. I mean, it's just nonsense. It's ridiculous.

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It's actually delusion from the Orthodox perspective, because for us,

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the experience of the saints is all the same. It

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is a unified experience of the divine light, not in

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the escaton, in this life. So for us, Moses, Paul, Basil, Palamas,

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they all have the same experience. There's no such thing

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as these crazy things.

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Speaker 6: Right, okay, right, which gives it a sort of real unity.

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And that's what's the funny thing about the when you

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look at Catholicism is they have this unity in the papacy,

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or or at least submission to the papers.

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Speaker 7: It's a pseudo pseudo unity.

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Speaker 6: Because inside it they have so much diversity and contention

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and conflict and literally contradictions amongst each other. It makes

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no sense. It's just that we all submit to the papacy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's not a unified faith at all. No, the

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principle of unity is just the verbal accession and knowledge

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acknowledgment mentally verbally of the pope. That's it.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: Literally, everything else is all all over the place.

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Speaker 6: I can't help too. One of the things I've been

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thinking about is is it feels like Catholicism is magical

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like they sort of promote a magical theology and when

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you look at again, I don't know the technic, but

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their concepts of grace. So the pope has grace then

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because of his grace.

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Speaker 7: Oh, it is in fact, it is a technology. The

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ex operary operato doctrine is a magical doctrine because in

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the Roman Catholic system, you could be ordained a priest

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literally the next day become a Satanist and you can

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still confect the Eucharus for the rest of your life.

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They literally think that that's the power of the priesthood,

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which is just preposterous. I mean, the Orthodox to you

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that you know, if you're outside the church, you can't

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confect the Eucharist, right, I mean an aposta can't confect

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the Ucharsus, you can't even confect the Eucharus without the

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approval of economical bishop. So the idea of this whole,

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you know, it's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: Right, And they can do like the transubstantiation. The fact

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that they can do things on behalf of the people.

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I've been trying to this.

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Speaker 7: Is why Satanists and occultists actually try to go to

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Roman Catholic They try to get I'm not joking. They

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try to get that priesthood ordination because they think that

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it is a magical power.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think the Catholics and no institution presented as

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a magical power.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's like a technology, right, So you can control

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technical you know what, God. You can make God come

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into the bread and the wine, and you don't even

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have to have the faith, right, I mean literally, you

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can be a Satanist the day you get ordained, and

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you can still confect the Uchers, which is just for.

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Speaker 6: Which makes you think. And what I mean by it

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as magical is that when we perform a liturgical service

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as Orthodox, we ask the Holy Spirit through a mystery

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to come and sanctify these gifts on behalf of everybody.

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The priest is just the head of the body of Christ,

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the parishioners. Where in Catholicism, you know, it's it's that

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the priest does it. He does it on your behalf

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because you know you as a little bit lower than

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he is in the world of grace and relationship to God,

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that he needs to do this for you. That there's this,

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as you said, as sort of an authority, there's this technique,

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whether he believes in it or not. He has this

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ability to magically transform warm the the unleavened bread by

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the way, which I find demonic in itself. I mean,

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if Christ's body rose from the dead, and the Eucharist

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is how we participate in the salvific work of Christ,

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then the bread obviously has to be risen to some

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degree because his body roads. That's the theology to make

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it unleavened bread. They want to say that they're doing

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it because the Old Testament or whatnot. It conflates New

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Testament theology.

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Speaker 7: It makes no sense, and yeah, it's it's a very

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If you read Metropolitan Seraphro Mabereus's list, he lists one

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of the lists that has one of the many things

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that can never be accepted by the Orthodox because it's

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not Patristic. I mean Rome, I mean there's all kinds

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of things like this, like forbidding children to have communion.

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The whole ancient church did that. It's i mean, the

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only only the Orthodox Church maintains that. So uh, I

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mean these are clear signs of you know, who the

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actual consistent Patristic church is. And uh, you know, it's

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just the degree of deception and coping and you know,

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mental gymnastics that that they have to go to to

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try to make that system work is I think what

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drives those people kind of crazy. A lot of them

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become alcoholics, a lot of them are very depressed, a

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lot of them become atheists. They just give up because

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that system doesn't get you anywhere. And and it's because

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the system itself is a problem.

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Speaker 6: Right, It makes total sense, makes total sense, just.

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Speaker 7: Like this, just like Protestanism or Evangelicalism, just different problems.

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Speaker 6: Right. No, I totally agree. I totally agree.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go pretty soon.

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Speaker 6: But we have we can. Do you have time for

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a few super chats?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Sure, okay, all right, thank you so much for for

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stopping here and having this conversation.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure well, by the way, I did have a

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bunch of like the more of the historical stuff that

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maybe we can do a separate one on that kind

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of stuff. But like Edward Denny's Papalism, and this is

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a thousand page book, a getas book, the Papacy is

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kind of a classic on this too, and so I

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wouldn't mind, you know, maybe down the road we can

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do another discussion where we get into like the historical examples,

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you know, the canon law I've got in your I

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sent you that that first link. There is a list

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of the canons you know that are contrary to Let

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me show a Vatican one. So maybe we can do

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a show on that subject. That would be great.

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Speaker 6: First superchat comes from Traditional Culture Preservation Society, throws in

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fifteen dollars and says, hello, I have been a fan

2028
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and follower for a while. I'd be interested in interviewing

2029
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you on my channel about anthropology sometime in the near future.

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Is that okay with you? That's definitely okay with me.

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Thank you so much. Traditional Culture Preservation Society. Send me

2032
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an email at Church of the Eternal Logos at gmail

2033
02:03:49,159 --> 02:03:51,680
dot com and we can definitely set something up. Thank

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02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:55,399
you so much for your superchat. Oh our good, our

2035
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good ortho. Buddy. Chase Haggard throws into super chat and says,

2036
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the Dynamic Diva duo at it again. Thanks for all

2037
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your hard work. Well, thank you, Chase. I know he's

2038
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a mod in your discord. Brother the Tristan and nephew

2039
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to Merril Haggard. Orthodoxy Chloroquin throws into super chat and says,

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how are we to understand Christ's final judgment of the

2041
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wicked when he says, quote depart from me, ye accursed

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into the fire unquote, et cetera. How does this square

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with eternal torment being an undesired experience of God's uncreated

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energies when he said depart.

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Speaker 7: Right, So it's not a spatio temporal thing. You can't

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get away from God in terms of space. It's not

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like there's a place where he's not. So what is

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not there is the positive experience of God. What is

2049
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there is the ill experience of God. So this is outline.

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You just go read Saint Maximus on it. He covers

2051
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it in detail, ever ill being, ever well being there

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you go.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, thank you Orthodox of Chlora Quinn for your super Chat.

2054
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I greatly appreciate, appreciate your support. Brother Eric. Breakbill throws

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into super chat and says, congrats on reaching nine thousand subs. Well,

2056
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thank you very much, Eric, I appreciate that slow and steady.

2057
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Stevie throws into super chat and says, are Jay and

2058
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David aware of the ABBA return and their upcoming quote

2059
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magical space circus unquote virtual concert. It's awfully convenient timing.

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No I'm not familiar you.

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Speaker 7: Uh no, I'll follow boomer disco bands. But that's pretty

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cool to hear about. I'll check it out.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much Stevie for the support. The Green

2064
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Feathers throws into super chat and says, thanks for another

2065
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great stream. Well, thank you Green Feathers for all your support.

2066
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I really appreciate it. Orthodox of Chlora Quinn throws in

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a two parter. Okay, so we got two part super

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chat here. First part is Roman Catholicism is really nothing

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more than papalolatry. I guess, the idolatry of the infallible

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man enthroned in Vatican City. The papacy has followed Lucifer's

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proud fall from grace by saying quote, I will place

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my throne over the bishops of the Church. True, I

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shall be as God on earth unquote. Instead of being

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the first among equals, the papacy has unwittingly become the

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first among many forerunners for anti Christ. Great show, gentlemen,

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thanks for all you do in God bless well. Thanks

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Orthodoxic Chloroquin, great comment, great super chat, Thank you for

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your support. Brother links throws into super chat and says,

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Jay go into spurgatory.

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Speaker 7: All right, Um, I've paid all my sperg indulgences, so

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I'm out of it.

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Speaker 6: What a relief. Panoat throws into super chat and says

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doctor Joseph Ferrell in God History and Dialectic Volume three,

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calls the post schism Western concept of God the chameleon godhead,

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which lines up perfectly with the manifold confused absolute divine

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simple spawns true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And also, I mean, you know, Orthodox faith and life

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and Christ by Saint Justin Papovitch is really just I mean,

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in multiple chapters making the points that David and I

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made tonight. I haven't read that book. It's a musteret.

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Speaker 6: Matthios. Uh salt the gang throws in a super chat

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and says Greeting's brothers, Jay, may I play, please be

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readmitted to the discord. God bless you both.

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Speaker 7: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: So we have a whole bunch of mods. We had

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a bad mod about six months ago who was intentionally

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comes to verting and deleting people in like a lot

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of people to cause problems. So we don't have that

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mod anymore. So I don't know if he did that,

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or who did that or what. But I don't really

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handle the monding anymore, so I don't he'ple always asked

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me to do this, but I don't even know, so

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I don't know.

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Speaker 6: All right, Well, is Chase is still a mod in

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your discord?

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Speaker 7: Right, yes, Chase?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so Chase, if you're available, maybe go back and

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forth with mattheos assault the Gang and see if maybe

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that situation can be remedied. Next super Chat comes from

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Storm the Cat and says, Hi, dph and J. If

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Protestants believe in the rapture will happen before the Anti

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Christ comes, does that mean that they will be tricked

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and they will worship the Anti Christ? I like both

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of your channels, Please pray for me and my family.

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Interesting question, I mean, well, I mean, I.

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Speaker 7: Guess if we're in the end times, they might end

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up tricked and they might not believe when there's no rapture.

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But I don't know for positive that we are in

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the end times. But if we are, yeah, so yeah, so.

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Speaker 6: Obviously we don't believe in the rapture. I would say

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just that doctrine itself is probably a spirit of the Antichrist,

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so it's true to some degree. Next Superchat comes from Rich,

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he says, great stream, I still share the quote proving

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God to an atheist video all the time to introduce

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people to tag Jay. Do you still plan on making

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a quick response video directly calling out Lofton?

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Speaker 7: No, the reason we didn't do that is because right

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after that is when Trent wanted to do the debate,

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and Trent is just obviously a much more quality He's

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actually a quality opponent and a person that you know,

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I have actual respect for. So Trent is somebody that

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we want to focus on. I don't think that Lofton

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is even worth anybody's time.

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Speaker 6: Really agreed. Tatiana throws into super chat and says, been

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so long since I caught a live stream. God bless

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you brothers in Christ. Well, thank you so much, Tatiana,

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God bless you and your family. Next super chat comes

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from James and he says, why did Patriarch Krill write

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the forward to Pope Francis's book called Quote Our Mother

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Earth and Exchange of quote Gifts and make the Havana

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declaration with Francis as well? I'm not familiar with those things,

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so feel free.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know about the forward to the book.

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I would disagree with that. I don't know that writing

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the forward necessarily makes your hair take. If he's affirming

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the climate change stuff, I would say that's pretty pretty

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bad news. And I don't agree with what is in

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the Havana statement either.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I have no idea, but think James, thank you

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for that.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 7: So I think people think too that like if an

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Orthodox bishop does something bad, then it's the same thing

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as what happens with the pope doesn't. But I mean,

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I don't think people grasp that the Orthodox Church is decentralized, right,

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So I'm not like immediately destroyed because a patriarch or

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a metropolitan or a bishop does something a bat or evil.

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That's not how our church works. It's a synodal church,

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so there's synods and it's governed to notally. And when

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there's a synod that you know, deals with those kinds

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of scandals or issues, then it's dealt with right. So

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if there are and there are right, there's there's canonical

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procedures for these kinds of things. So yeah, I mean, again,

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I don't know where these people get the idea that

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I mean that half of the Orthodox world hates me.

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I'm not that the whole Orthodox world even knows who

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I am. And I'm saying that in America, there's a

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large percentage of those people that can't stand me, dislike me,

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would like to, you know, see me not talking about

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Orthodoxy or whatever. But that doesn't do what I conclude

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from that old I guess Orthodoxy is not true because

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many of these people don't like me, right, or in

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other words, the truth or falsity of the system is

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not going to be dependent on within a decentralized system

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this or that bishop doing this that wrong. The difference

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between what we are arguing and the Roman system is

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that it's not a decentralized system. It's a system that

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hinges on what the guy in Rome does. My system

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doesn't hinge on what Carol does.

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Speaker 6: Right, exactly. Well, most people just have no idea of

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what orthodox ecclesiology is, and like.

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Speaker 7: Right, they think it's just like the pope and like

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if the patriarch of Moscow does something bad, then the

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whole system falls apart. Like that, it's not a papal system, dude.

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Speaker 6: Or maybe they come from the Baptist you know, well,

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you know, minister so and so is in charge of

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the church. That must just again they extrapolate the Catholic

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ecclesiology to you know, some Protestant form where there's always

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a single person in charge. There is no person in

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charge at Christ. The priest of priests. He's the only

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person in charge of the church. He's the head of

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the church. That's why we have no vicar.

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Speaker 7: This is a good thing. This is this is a

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firewall because the whole system can't be tainted and disrupted

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and ruined by one dude, and that Rome can't. Right.

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So if an Orthodox of bishop or a priest that

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I'm under goes into heresy, the great thing about multiple

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jurisdictions is that Lord willing, I can find another one.

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Speaker 6: Right is human milk Vegan throws into superchat with no comment,

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thank you very much as human milk Vegan for the

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support and Orthodox of Chloroquin throws in another superchat, thank

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you very much, brother, and he says, when Catholicism supposedly

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says quote I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic

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Church unquote, what it really means is I believe in

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one supreme, infallible and Roman pontiff unquote extra papum nola

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Sullis Catholicism is an exact ecclesiological.

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Speaker 7: Heresy absolutely.

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Speaker 6: And that does all the superchats. So brother, thank you

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so much for coming on and sharing your wisdom with us.

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I guarantee you this will be insightful for a lot

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of people who watch. This covered a lot of ground

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and hit on a lot of the heresies and the evils.

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Speaker 7: Well, we need to also get into, you know, the

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history and the cannons, because I'm sure I can already

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tell whether on mcallis you're going to take you Oh,

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they didn't even talk about the history. What about the

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quotes and the councils to say, I'm ready to deal

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with those in any But by the way, again, for

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the people who want a really detailed account of those things,

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Ubi Petris has done multiple videos. We've been you know,

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promoting and working with UBI for uh, you know, over

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a year, and go over to ubi's channel and you

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can find specific places all of those things that are dressed,

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you know, all the stuff that lofton that a barrow

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brings up, they're all addressed in detail in Ubie's videos

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and so I'm happy to also address them, which you

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know I will get to you know in the future

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when we do a you know, discussion on Denny's book,

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but whatever.

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Speaker 6: Amen to that man. Thank you so much for all

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the work you do. You put out so much content,

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whether it be info war is your channel, rock fin

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your website, hustling, hustling, and I'm trying to work in

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a similar manner, so I definitely respect the hustle. Most

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people don't realize how much effort it takes to create

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content and do this type of work. Yeah, you get

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to make your own schedule, but it's not easy. You

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work literally way more than a nine to five. It's

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all day long. And so thank you man for so

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much of what you do, everything you do. Shout out

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to Jamie, Thank you both for all your guys's work.

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Thanks for coming on and I really appreciate everything. Is

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anything you'd like to say before hopping off here?

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Speaker 7: No, thank you, glad to be here. Congrats on nine

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k and hopefully you know, if you if everybody will,

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if you're not subscribed to me, coming on my channel too,

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and I'll be you know, hopefully we can hit the

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one hundred k pretty soon. I get that give you

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little play button thing.

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Speaker 6: There you go. Yeah, i'll have you, i'll have your

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channel in the description. But I'm sure everybody knows your stuff.

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I'm sure almost everybody in the live chat's probably subscribed

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to both of us. So anyways, man, thank you so much.

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Shout out to Mikhail, King of Kings, throws in a

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super chat right at the end, with no comment. Thank

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you very very much.