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Speaker 6: All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is David
Patrick Harry but Church of the Eternal Logos, and today
I have the great, the mighty, the powerful Jay Dyer
with us today. How are you doing today, brother.
Speaker 7: No great man, thanks for having me back. Glad to
be here.
Speaker 6: Oh man, now, I'm glad that you're here. I've I'm
a huge fan of your work, as you know, and
you've been killing it on the Info Wars lately. Oh thanks,
I've been watching your fourth hours and dropping those those
red pills for the more normy crowd. Uh, we just
need you to get the the Orthodox on Alex Jones,
some of his Christian theology.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've done a couple of Fourth Hours where I
tried to you know, slip in worth oxeology. Even did
one whole Fourth Hour on Father Supper, Roses Nihilism. So
nobody's really had any problems with me talking about that stuff.
Of course, I don't know, you know, how much of
the Fourth Hour Alex always sees. I know he watches
some of the installments I do, but I don't know
if he sees them all. So uh, yeah, that that's
up in the air. But definitely, you know, pray for him.
And I saw your Rogan stream, so you know, pray
for for Rogan too, because you know they know each other.
So hopefully, hopefully eventually the you know, the seeds of
Orthodoxy can you know, filter out in that direction.
Speaker 6: Amen to that. So today I asked you to come
on and talk to us about the Vatican, about Catholicism,
and so before we dive too deep in any of
the topics, because I really we see the Pope, we
see the Vatican essentially being a catalyst for many of
the things of your contents that you talk about, whether
it be the globalism, the great Reset, the really technological
entrapment of humanity. Seems like the Vatican's a little bit
on board with this stuff. And I want to go
through some of these evils that it seems like we're
seeing from a sort of, as you said, a sort
of spiritual Babylon that we're witnessing in the Vatican. But
before we even get into the evils that we want
to address, you want to, you know, give insights to
people of what we're not saying, that we do recognize
the unification of the original Church, that we do recognize
quote unquote Catholic saints, certain ones aligned with Orthodoxy, And
just before we even dive into any of the topics,
what what you want to share with people, like where
we're going, where we're not going.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great idea. I think that, you know,
a lot of the debates, a lot of the apologetics
in the last few years has got a little nasty
because Roman Catholics are angry at a lot of the
stuff that we do. You know, we've seen so many
people convert from Rome Catholicism to Orthodoxy. So so there's
some sour grapes, some some lemons there in terms of attitudes.
But you know, from my vantage point, I don't have
any personal hatred towards Roman Catholicism. I don't hate the
Roman Catholic Church or anything like that. I opposed the
system and particularly you know, the head of that system
and how he is steering that entity. And so really
it does come from a position of concern and love
and care for Roman Catholics. We want them to be
united with us, but we can't have a false union,
and so the only path to real union and restoration
I think has to come through truth. Right, you can't
have unity without truth, and you can't have truth without unit.
They kind of go togethers. They're not either ores. And
you know that, as you said, we do share commonality
the first thousand years of the Church, roughly speaking, where
certainly we would acknowledge many holy popes of Rome, many
saints that are popes of Rome, you know, Saint Leo,
the great defender of the you know, to natures in
Christ with his tone at Chalcedon, and of course many
other saints of Rome. So there's nothing inherently wrong with
apostolic succession or the Apostolic See of Rome or anything
like that. But obviously, as everybody knows, I think in
this audience, the divergence comes after about a first first
thousand years, and there's already the seeds of the split
between the East and the West prior to you know,
ten fifty four, but the beginning of the split is
really in the late eight hundreds, nine hundreds, and then
it kind of comes to full fruition in my view,
in twelve seventy four the Council of Lions and then
successively later at the Council of Florence, because after the
Council of Lions in twelve to twenty four in the West,
you have the full on acceptance of the Phillyoquay in
the sense of a double hypostatic procession, and then you
get the response of the Orthodox, which are the Palomite Synods,
to explicitly reject that. And you know, those have been
received universally throughout the whole world of Orthodoxy. They're part
of the Lenton Liturgy we affirmed, and the teaching and
affirmation of the Palomite Synods in Saint Gregor Palomas, So
we know that we can't accept the philly Oquid doctrine
given the fact that the Palomite Synods reject it, and
they reject it very clearly. Sagrey Palmus has a whole
work that Father Heres has recently translated into English English
called the Apedictic Treatise on the Holy Spirit, which really
quells gets rid of any notions of there being a
reconciliation in the sense of, oh, it was just a
dispute over words, and we all mean the same thing. No,
we don't, I mean, And Saint Gregoro Palm has meant
it very clear in the Apudictive Treati in the Holy
Spirit that the Latin Church is following Satan. There they're Satanic,
and he was saying that all the way back then.
And he also said similar things to Barleum in the
in the Triads and in the debate with the barleym.
Might I can Dinos that if you follow this course,
you will lead your church and your group into atheism.
And that's precise to what we've seen the West do ideologically,
is go down the course of the track of atheism.
So long story short, you know, there's nothing we're not saying.
Everything that you believe is false, or that you're evil
because you're ruming Catholic that the system is wrong. And
that's what you know, I really like to get into
and focus on, is the system addicts and how the
systems don't work. And when you have bad systems, what
happens is that they produce bad results, and they can
produce civilizationally catastrophic results. And that's what's happened in the West.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and as Orthodox, I mean, we can point to
my favorite church father, Saint Maximus the Confessor, and how
he had to appeal to Rome during the time that
he was living because of the controversies of what was
going on in the East, and it was actually the
West that aided. But then again, this is pre schism.
This is before the establishment of the papacy, and where
we really see the split of the One Holy Orthodox
Catholic Church into the papacy again, unleavened bread, Eucharist, the
Holy Roman Empire, the alliance with Charlemagne, all this different
stuff where it seems like the things get way more
political than theological as history goes on. So thank you
for beginning there. Now, privately we kind of went back
and forth and you shared with me a news clip
about Pope Francis's new alliance with the Islamic world in
this new what Abrahamic religious center, and it seems like
with what's going on post Kufid, is a new one
world religion, and in fact they're openly wanting to build
structures promoting this concept. I would love for you because
I feel like this is really a central point when
we look at the evils of the Vatican, because we're
going to go through a lot of them, but the
new one World religion hints at a lot of the
preference for unity over multiplicity, ecumenicism, globalism, alliance with what
seems to be the sort of technological one world government
that the Pope Francis seems totally in step with. And
so can you dive in to the Vatican the Pope.
How long has this process actually been moving in this
attempt for the Vatican to really be the sort of figurehead.
It seems like it seems like the Pope's the new
religious leader of the new one world religion.
Speaker 7: I think that's definitely where it could go. And I
think that there seem to be some pretty clear indications
that Etsis would certainly like to be in that role
we saw. I mean in terms of I think clear
indicators of this idea in the dogmatic decrees and definitions
of Vatican two, and they are dogmatic, despite however many
Roman Catholics want to say, they don't have to accept
Vatican two. It was a firm with full papal authority,
it's from the chair, and it deals with faith and morals.
That's really all that's needed to be under the status
of dogmatic declaration for a Roman Catholic. And in fact,
I have a whole video where I go through four
separate documents from the Papacy Act affirming and making it
very clear that Vatican two is dogmatic. You do have
to accept. There's not an optional council for Roman Catholic
and there's at least four places in other Roman Catholic
dogmatic papal statements that affirm that. So we get if
we get that out of the way, then we can
come to documents like Atata. I don't know if you're
familiar with this, but this is one of the more
famous Vatican two documents, and it's the October twenty eighth,
nineteen sixty five document. It's about five pages six pages
it's not that long. Are you familiar with this?
Speaker 6: No? I'm not too familiar, can you.
Speaker 7: So everybody should be familiar with this, and everybody should
read it because it's not very long. And I think
what you'll notice is kind of the point that we're
getting at here, which is that this idea of generic theism,
that there's a generic, universal idea of just some God
that everybody agrees on, and that therefore we can find
paths to unity from that is really what undergirds the
very thing that we're looking at with this House of
the Faith of Abraham or whatever it is. And I
sent you a link there. There's another there's another proposed
version of this over in Germany. Somebody is saying too
that there's a there's proposed versions of this over in
the United Arab Emirates. And the idea is that, well,
we're going to just get together under a common banner,
not of the accidents, but the essentials. Right, So this
applying the Arisitilian distinction of essence and accidents to to
this idea that, well, don't we all believe in one God?
And if we all believe in one God, that we're
all on the same page at least as far as
that goes, and then we can just consider the other
stuff like Jesus and Trinity and resurrect virgin birth. Maybe
those are all just kind of like add ons, and
they're not the essentials. And this lowest common denominator fallacy
just keeps getting whittled down right to where ironically, at
Vatican two and Nosra Tat it says, I'm gonna read it.
It says, throughout the long history to the present day,
there is found amongst different peoples a certain awareness of
some hidden power which lies behind the course of nature
and the events of human life. At times there is
present even a recognition of a supreme being, perhaps a father.
This awareness and recognition results in a way of life
that is imbued with a deep religious sense. The religions
that are found in more advanced civilizations endeavor by a
way by way of well defined concepts and exact language
to answer these questions. Thus Hinduism Hinduism. In Hinduism, people
explore the divine mystery and express it in limitless niches,
achime me riches of myth, and the accurately defined insights
of philosophy. They seek release from the trials of the
present day and the asthetical practices profound meditation, and they
have recourse to God capital G in confidence and love.
So they're literally said God is literally saying that capital G,
the God of Hinduism is the God that we all worship.
Because they're believing in a God, there's some supreme God,
a supreme being. And so the iron here is that
so this is equivalent to me equating as long as
I say it's a supreme being, which in linguistic philosophy
we call that a non rigid designator. There's a paper
that Father Deacon and I covered by a doctor Garibee,
which is actually critiquing this notion of generic theism, or
the idea that just because all the monotheistic religions affirm
a God, that they're affirming the same God. Well, that's
actually a fallacy and it's it's known as the quantification
shift fallacy. And the reason it's a fallacy is because
it should be obvious that because we're all affirming one,
it doesn't equate to the fact that it's the identical
one that we're all affirming, Right, I mean, I could
say there's one God. Another guy down the road could
say Oh, there is one God. I agree with you.
But he means Satan, right, I'm certain. Maybe maybe he
attends the Temple of set Church or or the sat
what's the new thing that's they've got the abortion ritual
that they're talking about, the Satanic Satanic Temple.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Satanic Temple, that's it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe he believes that it's Lucifer, that's the one God.
But does it follow from the fact that we all
believe in one God that it's the same God.
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 7: No, And that's what's known as the quantifier shift fallacy.
Other examples of this in logic would be situations where
we say something like, every woman, h every girl loves
a boy, therefore every girl loves the same boy.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: Right, Everyone is born of a woman, therefore everyone is
born of the same woman.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: They're obvious fallacies. All of these religions believe in one God,
therefore they believe in the same God. Now, when we
come to, you know, something like the New Testament, what's
perhaps an example of a religion that's very close to
you know, some of the things that we we would affirm.
Maybe they even have a lot of the books shared
with us. Let's say Judaism. Judaism affirms a father. Does
Jesus say that just affirming the Father is enough?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: No, he says that no one comes to the Father
but through me. Because the word father. If God's eternally
a father, according to Saint Anthonatius, he's eternally the father
of an eternal son. So the word father necessitates and
implies the son. Right. So I'm no more joined with
that religion than I am with an Arian or Jehova's
witness Right, I mean, Joe's witnesses say there's one God.
So are we all on the same team? Well, the
same Basil didn't think so. I mean, he wrote gigantic
treatises and like spend his whole life combating the idea
that we're all of the same faith.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: And in fact, if you look at the Niceno constant
Apolity Creed, it designates the One God as the Father
of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that implies, by necessary implication,
the Son and the Spirit. As the Cappadocians famously said,
I can no longer think of the One being the
essence of God or the person of the Father, as
I am quickly bound over to think of the three,
and I can no longer think of the three without
quickly being referred back to the one. So there's an
equal ultimacy of the one and the many in the trinity.
So there's no such thing as kind of picking out
because of there being commonalities, that there's therefore one lowest
common denominator religion. And if you read the Garibie paper,
he points out that if there's a lowest common denominator
religion that is just the commonalities in these various so
called monotheistic faiths or Abrahamic faiths, then that's actually a
third other religion. Right, that's that's not the other three
you see, And that's all you can. You can prove
that logically by a conjunct where you put, for example,
in in parentheses, and logic you could say, we're gonna list,
let's say the beliefs of Orthodox Christianity that make Orthodoxy Orthodoxy. Right,
So that would be A, would be the trinity, B,
Virgin birth, C, you know, incarnation, D, resurrection. Right, Let's
say all of the beliefs that are necessary components of
Orthodox Christianity, they're in these parentheses A, A, B, C, D, E,
F Z, Right, if we take out Oh but wait
a minute, one of those beliefs is that God's omnission,
so maybe that's.
Speaker 6: A you know, G.
Speaker 7: Well, Jews and Muscles believe that God's on this and
so they believe G.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: But is G the same as the set that's up
here in the parenthes. No, No, it's not. And even
if I take elements out commonalities, it's not this set
because this set is everything in totality. It's a total set.
It's in the parentheses. And this is just logic showing
that there's no such thing as a core religion that
is the core of these three monotheistic abrahemit face. It's
it's a simple it's a simple way in logic, in
linguistic philosophy to show that this set is not this
set merely because there's common things. Another point, too, is
that he makes in the Garbye paper and makes some
really great examples or analogies to a card games. If
I'm playing poker and then I'm playing, you know, crazy eights,
Does the fact that poker and Crazy eights use cards
mean they're playing a same game the same game?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: Does the fact that there's cards and rules involved mean
that there's actually a common core game that's neither Poker
nor Crazy Eights.
Speaker 6: No, of course not.
Speaker 7: It's this nonsense, right. So in other words, the set
of beliefs is going to determine the reference in the set.
And that's why it's a holistic. It's a whole systemic thing.
And so the word God is in linguistic philosophy, it's
known as a non rigid designator. And what we mean
by that is that it's not a personal pronoun. It
doesn't pick out anything specific. Even in scripture, the word
God just little case God. It could refer to the
person of the Father. It could refer to the whole Trinity.
It could refer to divine actions or attributes with the
divine essence. It can refer to angels. Angels are called gods,
elokin sons of God. It could refer to humans. I
will make you as a god to Pharaoh, right, God
says to Moses. And it could refer to us in deification.
It could refer to demons, right, the gods of the nations.
So the point here is that it's abatance witch the
fact that the other religions use the word God or
the word monotheism or the word you know, whatever that's
in common. We believe in an omniscient God. You believe
in om thissa God. So it's the same God. No,
it's not, because the rest of the set of beliefs
about our God is just as necessary as any single
member of the set right. The Father is just as
necessary as Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is just as necessary
as Son, as as omniscience. You can't start just subtracting
from them. And there's no argument to be made for
some of God's attributes being more self evident than the others.
They all go together. It's holistic. You don't like, learn
the essence of God and then down the road like
Tomism says, we'll tack on trinity, we'll tack on virgin birth. No, no,
it all goes together. Right, it's a set right.
Speaker 6: Just based on what you said, this idea, the sort
of manipulation or the word concept fallacy, it almost feels
like there's magical cannontations underneath this. Like I've spoken before
that magic is all about the manipulation of language and meaning,
which then alters people's perceptions of reality. And I can't
help but think when we start looking at Catholic history,
or you know, perennial itself. This idea of the Abrahamic
religions really all sort of saying the exact same thing.
We can point back to the Iberian Peninsula in Spain
with the Moorish occupation, where they allowed for all these
mystical traditions to study each other and even smoke hishiesh
coming out of Northern Africa. And then right after that
we start looking at the fifteenth century, the fourteen hundreds.
We get the Italian Renaissance, we get the translation of
the Hermetic Corpus, we get Marcillo, Ficino, Giovanni, Picadella Marendola,
and we see magic, Chaldean oracles, Sufism, Kabbala, and Christian
mysticism all come together in this sort of new understanding
of what man is, of what religion is. And this
is where the perennialism itself, if you're going to trace
that idea really gets going, is the thirteenth century Spain
and Catholicism has really been associated with this concept ever since.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to bring up the Renaissance origins
of the humanism, actually because this is a more accurate
thesis on the real origins of a humanism way way
prior to Vatican two. So, for example, if you read
a Cult Renaissance Church of Rome, Hoffmann shows in that
book that the real origins of the ideas of a
common root of the religions, a skeletal root religion that
is neither Christianity, nor Orthodox, nor Islam nor you know,
Judaism is itself a religious presupposition that comes out of
philosophical schools. So it's kind of a neoplatonic approach, and
it's an approach as you said that it gets adopted
eventually by the perennial schools, which are really just borrowing
from Neoplatonism to try to find the grand ultimate skeletal
backbone of what the world religions are, which are just
kind of masks. So the perennialist idea, which again is
not new, it was already had and seed form by Neoplatonists,
and then it's regurgitated by the neo Platonic schools that
really influence the people in the Italian Renaissance. It's just
regurgitating things that had already been rejected in the first
seven Councils. So actually, if you read For example, Myandor's
book Business Ideology, there's a whole chapter on the rejection
of Neoplatonism. And this is why you get, for example,
the visiting Emperor Saint Justinian is the one who started
closing down the Platonic Academy and these schools, because what
happens is in the sonoticon there's an explicit rejection of
Platonism Neoplatonism in this end this idea which manifests in
the chapter that he wrote called the It's about the humanists,
the monastics and humanists, and so this eventually manifests is
a warfare between neoplatonism. And this even gets into iconography
because the iconoclass are actually rejecting iconography on neoplatonic grounds.
They all have neoplatonic arguments. This comes up in St.
Theodore the STUDEI. It's repeated in the Alspinsky Treatise with
Theology the icon in the chapter on Gregory Palomos, because
pallemism is what undergirds the affirmation of iconography. The energy's
doctrine is crucial and fundamental to why we do iconography.
It's the apologetic argument that they use at the Seven
Council St. Theodore and Saint John Damascus talk about the
energies being the reason why iconography is useful, correct, important, pedagogical,
and also mystical. I mean, this is why the Saints
have a golden halo. It's because that's signifying the uncreated light.
Icons themselves are teaching the essence energy doctrine. And so
when we get to the Renaissance period, there's a rejection
of that idea of icons and iconography having a specific
liturgical setting and meaning and significance, and there's rubrics for
how you do it. You don't do Chinese Jesus, because
Jesus wasn't Chinese. But we specifically see at the time
of CHARLEMI and after that's when the Western Church departs
right in many ways from the liturgical norms and from
the Seventh Council. The Romancallolic Church never has really accepted
the actual teaching of the Seventh Ecumenical Council. They affirm
it in principle, but for them, oh, that just means
we can do Jesus art right, and you can do anything,
so you can have God the Father as an old man.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 7: Actually, the Seventh Machemenical Council says, you cannot paint God
the Father as an old man, and it says that's
a heretical and idolatrous notion. No man has seen the
Father at any time, Jesus says, and never will because
the only icon of the Father is the person of
the Son. The hypostasis of the Son is the only
icon of the Father. And so there can be symbolic
representations of the Father in the sense of the three
angels in the you know, the famous uh Abrahamic Rublev icon,
there's a symbols that represent the Trinity. But we make
it very clear if you read the later icon councils
in Moscow, they explain, note that those icons are not
portraying the person of the Father, right, any more than
the number three is like portraying the person of the Father.
It represents a symbolic it's what's called the idos of
the icon, but it's not the hypostasis of the Father.
And that's made very clear for a reason. Anyway, Long
story short is just that iconography. Orthodox theology is very clear,
very precise on these topics, and it is always stressed that,
as the Nice in Crete says, the one God is
the Father the Son, and the Spirit principally right, when
we begin our Trinitarian theology, it's the person of the Father.
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, right, and
then yes, I also affirm God from God like from light,
the Son and the Spirit. Right, So one God can
pick out different things. It can mean the person the Father,
It can mean the entire triad, it can mean the
divine essence that they share. It can even pick out
the attributes or energies that God has, because God is
fully present in Greek energy. Sure, but the point is
just that if we understood even just iconography itself. Right,
And this is another point I'm gonna it's gonna come up,
I'm sure in the debate in a few days with Trent,
because we'll be debating this very topic. Is that you know,
God for us has a specific reference and it means Trinity.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: It's it's the persons of the Trinity. There's no such
thing as generic theism, just even by linguistic philosophy, God
is a non rigid designator doesn't tell you. So you're
absolutely right that it's a kind of abate and switch.
I don't know how self conscious the authors of the
Vatican Two documents actually were because some of this is
really dumb and it's really low level argumentation, like because
they pray and because they you know, seek out things
in their Idolatrist religion that therefore it's the same god
as us. I mean, that's just not just non sequitors,
that it's that it's our God.
Speaker 6: And do you think this emphasis on the like you said,
the neoplatonic precept is of the sort of skeletal schematical
framework of all world religions and noise comes back to
this unknown or transcendent one again relates to the ancient
Greek problem of the one in the many and this
historical prevalence to privilege unity over multiplicity. And you see
this in Tomism, you see this in absolute divine simplicity
in which you've talked about, uh, you know, at nauseum
on yours on your channel. But Orthodoxy doesn't have this
dialectical tension between multiplicity and unity, and therefore you actually
find a balance. You actually find a harmony at an
intellect and at an intellectrical intellectual, you know, theological level.
There's a balance there. Do you think that this has
any ties back to absolute divine simplicity.
Speaker 7: What absolutely does. And that's not anything that I came
up with. In fact, countless Orthodox saints and theologians have
been saying this for a long time. In fact, in
the little book that's kind of the good if you
want an introduction to this topic and what we're talking
about here. I don't affirm everything that that this author writes,
but this book is really good, and it's called Church
Papacy Schism by Philip Chrard, And really the whole thesis
of this book is that the imbalance and the one
the many is kind of what undergirds the Roman Catholic system.
So papalism itself never could have really arisen if the
pope didn't kind of arrogate himself to the office and
roll of what the Holy Spirit does. So it's not
accidental that the rise of the papal monarchy in the
early Middle Ages is at the same time as a
direct correlation, direct provable connection between that and the imbalance
that occurs in the Phillioquay doctrine. The Philioquay doctrine creates
a diad And again I would just say, read Saint
Photias's mystagogy because he says improves in you know about
eighty pages that if you give the power in particular
property of the person the father to the son, now
you have a father son. Now you have a diet
and that diad of father's son, which produces the third person,
the father son. There that diad actually has the power
of producing a person that the spirit lacks. So now,
in this silly effort to try to prove the deity
of the Christ against arianism, which is kind of the
motivations of why the Philioque was rolled out to begin with,
which is all kind of a mistake and a misunderstanding anyway,
it really has the opposite effect of subordinating the spirit.
So if the Holy Spirit is subordinated in the life
of this institution, which is precisely what all of our
saints and theologians said that the filiok we would do again,
just read the mystagogy of Saint Photius. He said it
would do that. And then what happens is that now
we need a humanistic.
Speaker 6: Role for the Holy.
Speaker 7: Spirit embodied in the person of the pope. Now the
Pope is the voice of the Holy Spirit. The voice
of God on earth is no longer the immediate, innate,
direct presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of
the church, an extra juridical office that speaks in this way,
and so the pope really becomes the the bridge of
the philioquoy now or the Holy Spirit comes into the church,
he kind of replaces Christ in the economia. And that's
the argumentation that that Chirard makes, which I've always thought
was a really really powerful argument, and it's and he
makes the argument that it's on the basis of absolute
divine simplicity that these this even happened. I mean, Photius
himself even says this that the simplicity doctrine that the
Cappadocians and the Church adopted is not the simplicity doctrine
that the West adopted. And so they even noticed that
at the time. That's what undergirds the whole debate of
the Phillyoquay, at the time of Photius and at the
time of the Council Alliance. And when you read the
Tomos of the Palomite Synods and the Palmite theology of
that time, and they appredictive treat use of Saint Gregory
against the Latins, it's all saying what I'm saying it's
none of this stuff is like me making it. So,
it's just in these documents, very clear, very lucid logic
go presentation, by the way, which should show people that
there's nothing antithetical to palamism and apologetics and logic. I mean,
he's using Ariscitian logic. That's what the appedictic treatise means. Right.
Speaker 6: So, given the Vaticans theological presupposition of absolute divine simplicity,
given now their promotion of this one world religion, this perennialistic,
this neo potonic theology, how and where do you see
the tentacles of this merge into Klaus Schwab's great reset.
I mean, it seems like I don't see any pushback
from the Vatican. I see Vagano speak out against a
lot of this stuff. But it seems like Pope Francis
is totally in step with Klaus Schwab, totally in step
with the Rothschilds, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Fortune five hundred companies,
the Warburg's really the CCP. Where do you see the
bridge of this presuppositional framework of unity into now the political, economic,
and actual movements of the Vatican in the great Reset
and the one world, global religion and government.
Speaker 7: Well, if you look at the famous chapter of Dostyevsky,
which was prophetic, I mean, Dossiovski's Grand Inquisitor and Brothers
Karamatsa basically tells us this. He said, you know, one
hundred years ago or whatever, that the papacy would become
a gigantic, geopolitical worldly institution to try to solve man's
problems in a humanistic way. And I mean that's again
echoed in Saint Justin Popovitch's you know book Orthodox Faith
in Life in Christ, where he basically calls the papacy
the exaltation of man, the worship of man, it's the
great humanistic institution, again echoing the point of Cherard that
the pope is really just taking the place of Christ,
taking the place of the Holy Spirit. And what this
does is make the Roman Church into a geopolitical uh corporation,
to put it simply. And now I'm not the first
to make this analogy. In fact, you can go back
to the Frankish period and that's precisely when we started
to see these real alterations from the Christianity that had
been accepted in the imperium, so that the Byzantine Imperium
had a had an emperor, it had a patriarchal system
already canonically approved in multiple ecumenical councils by that time.
And what happens is that the Carolinian theologians of Charlemagne's court,
they specifically did not accept the seven Dicamitical Council, and
to the Pope's credit at that time, the papacy in
the days of Charlemagne affirms the seventh Decamitical Council in
communion with us. They agree with us, and so, but
what happens is that the Carolinian court is able to
through certain maschinations and through after a couple a decade
or two, if you sent excuse me, if you entries,
you get what's called the Franco Papal Church. And that's
during this period when the patrine See moves from Rome
to France, and then we start to see a real
geopolitical machination. But even in Photius's day, San Photius was
complaining that Charlemagne had sent missionaries into Bulgarian Orthodox jurisdictions
to try to convert them to accepting the Philly Oquay.
So the Philioquay was a geopolitical tool. And this is
admitted by multiple scholars now even Roman Catholics, Like this
is in Cishansky is the Philly Oquick book. So it's
not a it's not an orthodox reading of history. It's
in Roman Catholic theology now too. In history. So he
basically sends missionaries to try to get people to accept, oh,
you don't have the right creed. You see. See, if
you want to be on the right page, you gotta
be you gotta have Charlemagne's creed, you see. So you
see how it's a geopolitical tool, right, and so he's
converting Orthodox territories over to this false, uh you know,
affirmation of an addition to the creed, and the pope
at that time, Leo Right had even stated, no, you
can't right change the creed. So he agreed with us
right at that time. But what happens is that eventually
the Franco papal power starts installing people who are geopolitical
tools of the Franks. And this is nobody denies this.
I mean, this is why, this is why the Sea
of Rome is in France for eighty years. I mean,
this is Avignon papacy, very famous, very well known. Out
of this we get three different dudes claiming to be
the true pope. It's the famous, it's the famous Great
Western schism. And I mean, but I don't think Roman
Catholics understand that when you accept the papacy, like you're
taking that on, like you're owning that right, that's part
of your thing, and you're having to admit, yeah, sure
that happened. I don't have a problem with that, so what.
But I don't think that they realized that it was
a council that was convened to solve this issue, the
Council of Constance. And then they just turn around and say, yeah,
but of course councils aren't superior to popes. No wait
a minute, so three rival popes, the issue is solved
by a council deciding which one's pope. But then also,
councils aren't a bo But it's just silly, right, I mean,
there's so many examples of this kind of stuff in history,
which one of the key killer examples we'll get through
here in a moment, which has Constantinople one the second
acumenical council. But I know I'm rambling, but this backstory
is necessary to understand how we get to the world
where we are now, where the papacy is really just
a geopolitical ngo. The best way to understand the papacy
in terms of what it really is is an NGO
kind of international corporate mafia at the top. Okay, not
saying everybody in the Roman County church is part of this,
but this is why we're seeing so much corruption in
the Vatican Bank for so many years, so much corruption
in terms of the pedo scandals that everybody knows all about.
In fact, they just a lot of Roman Olthlics are
coping about the recent French report that was released by
the French bishops. So that wasn't They're all.
Speaker 8: Saying, there's the liberal media of the liberal media, liberal media. No,
it's your own bishops that really start report. Dude, it's
not the liberal media. I mean, how long are they
going to keep buying it? It was just the liberal media,
liberal media. No, it's real corruption in that church.
Speaker 6: The other one is I've noticed lately on the Catholics
they want to point to American public school systems that
it's way worse than the church. And that this is
just a pr stunt to make the church look bad,
which is laughable at best.
Speaker 7: Well, the bishop's report out of France was what two
hundred thousand victims in the last sixty years, two hundred
thousand from the Catholic bishops of France. That's not from
the Boston Globe or the Washington Post. Okay, that's not
from liberal entities. But that's just an example of how
like the Hamster wheel of justification, rationalization and coping that
goes on when you talk about this stuff is just
kind of mind boggling. And it's really because that is
I genuinely believe it's a system of dead works that
Paul talks about that doesn't actually have the power. Right,
So Paul says, in the Last Times, you will notice
there will be a kind of fake church that has
the appearance of guidliness but lacks the power thereof and
is characterized by dead works. And I can't think of
any better system that exemplifies that than the Roman Catholic system,
where it's literally a denial of uncreated grace, literally a
denial of you know, the direct perception of God through
the news. I mean, they don't have a news doctrine,
So how are they going to have uncreated grace and
direct perception. They don't. It's explicitly rejected for a long time.
So and that is all, yes, because of heretical trinitarian theology.
They went heterodox a thousand years ago, and Photius was
right all along. And the mere fact that the system
has it's more and changes. That's the amazing thing here
is that uh it had they had this ability to
appeal to truths and falses at the same time and
morphed the position. And no better example this than you know,
if you look at the landscape of Roman Catholicism, a
Roman Catholic can in his own mind basically construct what
the church is right. And you can have a guy
over here who's a trad who for him, the Roman
Catholic Church is the Urban the second calling the Crusades
against Islam, right, that's the Roman falsism, that's what I
believe in. And then you have another dude over here
who's like, you know, uh, father Bruce, and for him,
Roman Catholicism is uh mother Teresa going and praying in
Buddhist temples, which she did, by the way, So what
a which which is it?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 7: Is it Francis and Benedict praying in the mosque towards Mecca?
Is that authentic Roman Catholicism? Or is it crusades against
Islam in the Middle Ages. Well, the thing about Roman
Catholicism that you can make it whatever you want, right,
it can be all of these things and none of
these things, because it's a system that lends itself to
that malleability under the superstructure of the appearance of dogma.
But even when we get to that, we actually find
out that the Roman Catholic as an individual is in
no better position than anyone else. They're always saying, you
don't have a way to know the dogmas. You don't
have a no way to know what's true and false.
You don't know what the dogmas are. They're in the
exact same existential position as anyone else, Protestant or Orthodox.
Because I've got right here gigantic tones of Catholic theologies,
specifically the papal stuff over there, thousands of pages of
papal teaching. As an individual Roman Catholic, how are you
in any better position? Since I mean, I've got my
stack over here of church fathers and councils. You got
your stack over here of papal teachings. How do you,
as an individual Catholic know for sure that you're reading
through the gigantic thousands of pages of papal documents and
interpreting it correctly and correctly parceling out which ones are
authoritative in which ones are not. You're not in any
better position. So the very thing that the whole office
of the papers are supposed to solve, which is having
certitude and authority over disputes, doesn't actually work. Look at
the world of Roman Policism now, they've been in seventy
years of confusion and disarray. They can't tell you what
the dogmas are. They don't know if Vatican two is dogmatic.
They all disagree with one another more than the Roman,
more than the Orthodox, or more than Protestant. They are
like Protestants basically. I mean, I could go down the
road and in one city we're supposed to It's supposed
to be so easy to identify the Roman Catholic Church.
I can find five different chapels that all disagree and
aren't in communion or don't know. But what Vatican two
is in the actual like you know, hard city examples.
Down the road, there's an SSPX chapel, an FSSP chapel,
a set of a contest chapel, a Novasordo chapel, right,
and these all disagree, right, and all think the other
ones are stupid herotics.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: And we see now that Pope Frank is actively trying
to suppress the trad Latin Mass, which again, even despite
all the things that you said, any any sort of
remnants of an older Catholicism would be president in the
trade Latin Mass. They're trying to get rid of it.
And that this spirit of innovation, the spirit of almost
progressive revelation that you see the Vatican and the Papacy promote.
You know, I can't help but think about you know,
this was a major influential book on me. Was God
History and Dialectic and seeing how Rome is the continuation
of the Greco Roman philosophical political empire, and that you
can look at the statuary, you can look at the
dialectical tensions within their theology. You can look at well
their marianology which looks very similar to pagan venus worship,
and various stuff like that that the establishment of the
papacy as this central figure is really a movement back
to Caesar himself, that somehow there's this god man who's
also a sort of political theological figure. I mean, in
my mind, this is the papacy. And so then the
papacy being a sort of uh, you know, Roman Empire
two point zero wants to post schism, and it's in
its attempt to establish the holy Roman Empire, which exactly
is what I'm claiming that it is the sort of
Roman Empire two point oh. That no wonder, it's this
worldly you know, this worldly process to help humanity that
to uh, you know, it's a progressive.
Speaker 7: It's a humanistic institution that's totally atheistic now and it's
an nng oh, it.
Speaker 6: Really isn't n g oh, it really is. And you
can see it. And Pope Francis's support of mass migration
that the same Catholic country is that he's this, he's
the vicar of he's the steward of these of his
Catholic flock. Well, he's okay with all the Muslim migrants
of Northern Africa. Flood France, flood Germany, you know, flood Spain.
It's totally fine. You know, we need more refugees in Italy.
That he is totally on board with all the subversive
NGOs in the world as of right now.
Speaker 7: Anyways, Yeah, and I would add that, you know, this
has been known and written about by Roman Catholics themselves
for a long time. So I don't know how many
times I have to tell the Roman Catholics to go
read your own trads. I mean one of the best
examples of this as I lectured through and talked about
this entire eight hundred page book for many years. It's
almost as important, you know as a book like Tragyan
Hope and that's John Courtney Murray Timelife magazine and the
American proposition how the CIA's doctrinal warfare program changed the
Roman Catholic Church. And so basically wim Hoff proves in
about eight hundred pages and in about you know, a
thousand plus footnotes as a trad Catholic himself. By the ways,
he's not an Orthodox person. He's not some you know,
crazy conspiracy there is. He's a lawyer who's documented in
extreme detail, you know, the history of the Roman Catholic
Church's subversion. I'm saying the institution being subverted, them being
subverted in the twentieth century. So this is not it
does deal a lot with theology, but it's more so
a geopolitical analysis of what happened in the twentieth century
from the vantage point of intelligence analysis. So how did
this institution become an NGO to basically promote the interests
of the elite in America and in the West. And
that's precisely what happened. And of course he takes key
figures like John Courtney Murray who famously was allied with
CD Jackson in this creation of the Doctrinal Warfare program,
which was the CIA's Cold War program to use all institutions,
not just the Roman Cacality Church, but mainly the Romancaloity
Church and Protestants and Orthodox as well as a means
for geopolitical promotion of Americanism. And this is the Americanism
of you know, the Four Freedoms and all this kind
of propaganda maloney, which is really just monetarism and consumerism right,
neoliberalism right, and so attaching neoliberalism and consumerism and all
of the other isms and leftisms to Americanism and basically
making the churches in the West, the churches in the
USA tools of the for lack of better for the
deep stay. Really, I mean, that's that's what it amounts to.
In fact, the book even details you know, a lot
of the Rockefeller Foundation people and even rock Filler himself
meeting with the papacy meeting with people from the church
saying we want to fund you know, liberals and radicals
like John Courtney Murray to go into the Vaticanto to
make sure that documents like sant Get you know, passed,
because documents like no State really aid in making the
church into an ecumenist institution. And that's why acumenism itself
is actually a Rockefeller project. They were putting money into
ecumenism long before Batticantu, way back in the thirties, forties, fifties.
I've detailed this in my lectures on the history of
the Rockfiller family. They write books to talking about it.
It's it's not hard to figure out, and it's easy
to see why because you because what monetarism, what capitalism,
neoliberalism does is it wants to promote the idea of
lowest common denominator right to push the product right. What's
the easiest way to sell this idea, what's the easiest
way to sell Americanism, to sell consumerism, to sell quantification ets,
that are all these ideas that are bound up in
that philosophy. Well, lowest common denominator, right, what's the easiest,
simplest way to package this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: And that LCD the lowest common denominator approach, which is
basically just neoliberalism applied to religion. So ecumenism is neoliberal
economic theory applied to religion as a tool of control.
What's the easiest way to get people funneled into this
thing that I, as a zillionaire run fund and control.
That's what is going on, And that's why Francis is
really just a tool of the power, the global elite,
the banking elite, the corporate elite. Hence why he goes
and meets with Lynn Forrester, to raw Child, and so
why he meets with all the World Economic Forum people
to promote to promote what he calls, uh, what's the
word they use? Something capitalism. My mind's going like right now,
it's a new type of capitalism that's like socially conscious, Yeah,
socially conscious whatever he called it. I'm sure somebody in
the chat will remember, but that's been I mean, that's
showing that he's allied with these global entities really to
just promote the next instantiation, the next phase of what
in nineteen sixty five was still very revolutionary. So you
go read the documents Vatican two, and it's saying that,
you know, the Roma Collay Church is now accepted religious freedom,
which they had previously condemned in multiple paval and cyclicals
for many centuries as a heresy of the Protestants right,
I mean, luther is condemned for promoting religious liberty. Vatican
two now accepts it as dogma. And there's many other
things you can go read in cyclicals like Mararii votes.
You could read Mortalium Animos, and I always recommend Catholics
reading Mortalium animals because Pius eleven specifically says interfaith gatherings,
the humanoust, prayer meetings, et cetera, are apostasy. So in
nineteen twenty eight he can write in a cyclical that
is universal ordinary magisterium for the whole church, it's dealing
with faith in morals, and he can say that it's apostasy,
and then in a few decades, the actions of praying
with all the world religions is now affirmed as the
work of the Holy Spirit. So literally, the Holy Spirit
flips like he changes his mind from nineteen twenty eight
to nineteen sixty five, and it's exact opposite. Oh no,
it's not apostle anymore. Now, it's good to do that.
And that shows you that the whole Roman system has
always been an amorphous, evolving innovation that just adapts to
the times. And is the anti church right, No?
Speaker 6: And so that leads me to ask you how much
power does the Vatican have because everything that we're talking about,
and it being in lockstep with things like the Rockefeller Foundation,
the Rothschilds, the Fortune five hundred. You know, you hear
all the people speculating, Oh well, it's it's the Vatican
that rules the world. It's the Vatican Bank. No, it's
the CCP. No, it's the globalist it's the deep state.
Where do you use what is the power of the Vatican.
Is the Vatican sort of follower of the the you know,
the real billionaire elite that the globalist elite that rule
the world. Are they a follower of this process? Are
they a sort of partner in the sense that they
have comparable power, but they have different objectives, and they're
going because I feel like that's kind of the CCP.
The CCP is going along with the global reset because well,
they have similar objectives, but they have also very different
objectives and so they're not in lockstep with the global elite.
How do you see the Vatican and Catholicism globally speaking,
and really the attempt for the new one world religion?
Where does this fit into the billionaire global elite, the CCP,
all the conspiracy theories of who runs the world? Are
they a follower? Are they? Do they have do they
wield real power?
Speaker 7: I would say that they are a partner in globalism
and they do have a lot of power, but maybe
not the type of power of the actual kind of
inner deep state. In other words, it was the Western
elite deep state that actually subverted and captured the office
of the papacy in the last decade, or assume in
the last century. So the twentieth century is really the
Western elite capturing the office of the papacy. I think
the office of the papacy was already corrupt, was already
teaching bad doctrines, but they might have had a degree
of sort of independence, maybe one hundred two hundred years
ago for example. You know, if you go back to
Leo the thirteenth, I mean, he wrote famous and cyclicals
condemning free Mary, being very open, you know, about the
opposition to the forces of revolutionary philosophy, the forces of
atheism and materialism. So there were still kind of the
remnants of the office of you know, combating errors in
heresy back in the days of Lee the thirteenth. But
I think by the time we get up into the
twentieth century, when we get into you know, what wim
Hoff is detailing in his book, that's where we can
definitely say that the Roman Catholic Church is a captured
institution from the top. Again, doesn't mean that at the
you know level of a BEGANU or these different people,
you know, different trads. There aren't sincere you know, anti
nWo people, But it's just beyond any shadow of a
doubt of anybody with intellectual honesty, especially during the reign
of Francis, which I've watched very closely. I mean I've
been you know, very interested in the real Mecalolic Rolds
since two thousand and three four. So I was I
was there at the tom of John Paul, I was
there for the whole period of Benedict. I saw that,
And I've watched, you know, the Francis conundrum catastrophe very
closely as well. And what is clear is that it's
basically it does wield power in the sense that it's
a gigantic institution and has a lot of sway. But
in another sense, it's not like the papacy itself has
a tremendous amount of power in the geopolitical sphere because
they themselves are I think captives of the Western power elite.
They were captured a long time ago. Abatican two is
really really a concession to Americanism and a surrendering to
the power elite of the American imperium, which is not Americans.
It's right international we as Americans are ruled by Yeah,
exactly right. So the papacy, unfortunately, is just an instant
an arm of that apparatus. And I don't like the
Jesuits don't run the world, they're also in arm of
this apparatus. The Jesuits are a big part of Again.
John Courtney Murray is a Jesuit. He was one of
the people who helped pass Vatican too. He's one of
the guys who helped get no stratat in these different
you know, just horrendous documents passed which are duping all
these people into thinking that, you know, all the world
religions are just on a scale of being and a continuum.
We all worship the same God, it's all the same.
That's just funneling people into what could be this emerging
new world religion of the you know, a Brahmic face.
And if you read for Telly Twudy, I mean we
pointed this out that Francis was intentionally putting non denominational,
anti Trinitarian prayers into the encyclical because what they want
to do is have the world religions on a kind
of a concentric circle scale to where we're all part
of the same system. But really the papacy is like
the key holder the petrine office, not just of Rome
or Christianity, but of all the world religion. As you see,
so you're you're a Hindo, You're just kind of Hindus
are just kind of outer further on the scale from
the Muslim, and the Muslim is is outer, it's closer
than the non denominational Protestant, and then the nounomenial Protestant
is a little closer, a little further out than the Anglican,
and then then you get closer in with the Orthodox,
and then you get the Roman Catholic. Right, So it's
like this this concentric circles of the world religions that
you know, which is self absurd, right, I mean again,
which everything that we said, like in the first hour,
dealing with the fact that logically speaking, you can show
that there's no commonality you know, quantifier shift fallacy just
because they use the same word God any more than
you know, uh, I'm worshiping the you know, same deity
as the scientologists, because they believe in one deity. It's
just ridiculous speak.
Speaker 6: A little bit. Then to the you talk about it's
essentially a sort of subverted institution at the very top.
You know, people speculate, well, this is because the Freema,
the Freemason said they're going to take over the Vatican
a long time ago, and they've been slowly infiltrating it.
As you said, people say, no, it's it's a Jesuit
conspiracy withinside the Church. But the sort of liberation theolod
Well that has it has Communist Marxist tendencies. Talk about
then what even the lavender mafia talk about the subversion
of the Catholic Church. How did this elite, the sort
of top of this pyramid within the Catholic Church become subverted?
Speaker 7: Well, again, I would say one of the clues to
this would be the writings of the popes themselves about
masonry and about revolutionary philosophies. If you go and you
read Gregory the sixteenth or seventeenth was the first pope
backing i think the seventeen hundreds to write the first
encyclical against freemasonry. There's a whole list of these multiple
condinations from the Holy Office. You can come all the
way up to Leo the thirteenth, where again he wrote
Humanum Janus where he was condemning freemasonry. You know, pretty strongly.
This is the you know, late eighteen hundreds, and they
correctly saw that the philosophy of masonry is a revolutionary
philosophy that ultimately gives way to technocracy. I mean, we
think of some of the key revolutionary philosophers. We've got Voltaire,
we've got Saint Simone, we've got goose coomped. These are
all people who are in the circles of what those
encyclicals are condemning. And so the Ore the thirteenth, for example,
calls Masonry organized naturalism, which is just to replace religion
with the processes of natural science. So scientism, revolutionary technocracy
is what is ultimately being kind of targeted there.
Speaker 6: And so the.
Speaker 7: Lodges have always been promoters of scientism and political revolution.
This is why we don't live in our monarchies anymore.
Why the world, except for the Britain monarchy, which is
itself a Masonic monarchy, all the monarchies have been toppled
and what we live under is these democratic republics, because
that is the free Masonic philosophy. And also part of
that philosophy is scientism. You know, actually Masonry can can
encompass either Marxism, socialism, or capitalism. They're all equally fully
masonically compatible, and Freemasons have been all the above. And
that's because the end goal is none of those things, right.
The end goal for those systems is the sort of
Luciferian final system, the final stage of whatever their technocratic
utopia type system is, which is transhumanism, et cetera. This
is why, you know, Huxley basically says that the technocracy
of it's what the revolutionaries of the philosos the illuminous,
the vice shop, right, Jacobin, this is what they were
really after the time, was this future technocratic utopia, dystopia,
and it's the overthrowing of thrown in altar. Right. The
fundamental element of Masonic oaths and rituals at a certain
point in terms of the philosophy is the attitude the
outlook is to get rid of throne and altered, so
church and state out of there and we get the
revolutionary democratic republic, right, which is run by the you know,
eliter the teplocrats, right that they become the new priests
class basically, right. So there's a long history of that
that's been going on. That's what undergirds the Masonic you know,
papal war. But exactly what date I don't know. It
doesn't really matter because most whether it was Benedicta fifteenth
for example, who affirmed the United Nations or Schume the
legal nations. So we already have Benedicta the fifteenth uh
famously affirming and supporting the League of Nations, which is
bizarre to me. While he would do that very possible,
very possible, it was already subverted at that time. Maybe
we could even point to Pious the Ninth and Vatican One.
I mean, he's the one that you know, is confirming
and affirming total papal supremacy. So maybe even Vatican One
is the point of of subversion and the anti price
system in the Church. And in fact, Pious the Ninth
himself was for a while a part of the revolutionary philosophy.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: He was one of the young Italian revolutionaries. And then
he later becomes the pope and he gets locked in
the Vatican for a while when when when it's besieged
by revolutionaries, which are Masonic revolutionaries, so he's like, actually
he's actually under house arrest in the Vatican for a while.
And then supposedly that's when he realizes, Okay, maybe the
revolution is not a good idea. They're gonna they're gonna
come behead the pope, right, They're not my friend. Uh,
and so he has this change of supposed to lead
and then he you know, then Vatican won and all this,
and so whether what this specific date is it doesn't
really matter. And really, again, you can go back, like
you said to you can go back to the Borges
and Medichi's, the extremely corrupt papacy, Alexander the sixth They
were all a humanists, they were all, you know, platonists,
probably didn't even believe the religion at all. Yeah, and
and and you know, you can go back further, probably
to Charlemagne and the period win the papacy begins to
be not in Charlotte's day that there was a good
pope at that time, but after that is when you
start getting the co opting of the office. And so
it's anybody's guess exactly when this happened. But you know,
we can look to the Vatican bank scandals of the
last sixty years, the p two, the PG lodge, Bishop Marcinkus,
the famous hanging of the robertal Kylbi, the Vatican banker
under the Black Fires Bridge, him being murdered by the mafia.
I mean, all of that is also another indicator of
clearly at that point, right when we're getting into the
fifties the sixties, because it really the visible change is
John the twenty third, because Pie is the twelfth still
had the remnants of some traditional ideas of the papacy,
although he did write the encyclical that allows for Catholics
to accept the theistic evolutions. In that sense, you could
say he was a revolutionary too. But John the twenty
third is who is the first modernist pope, right, He
writes Pacham and teras calling for global economic interest, for
a global monitoring of the economy. You know, this kind
of Ulien type stuff from John the twenty third. John
twenty third is the first to invite Protestants to come
to the Vatican to pray, uh to do these sort
of acumenist type meetings that didn't involved prayer. That was
very revolutionary. He's the first to invite Communists to the Vatican, again,
very revolutionary. John twenty third of course calls back right,
so at least to public appearances, it's really do only
twenty third is the first. And there's a lot of
rumors that he was involved in freemasonery and rosecution. I
don't know that's true. I don't really need to know
if that's true, because I can tell by his public
actions and what he's doing Aboutican two and what he's
promoting right where he stands, right, I don't have to
know his motives. I don't have to know. You know,
if he's promoting no strataate in this kind of bullshit,
then I know he's a bad guy.
Speaker 6: So speak again with what you know. Recently, I saw
there was some priests, Catholic priests in Italy that got
arrested or there's some type of reprimmendation for them having
gay orgies and buying drugs with church money, and the
whole Lavender mafia, the sort of gay cardinal secret cult
inside the Vatican. Are you familiar with this? Have you
heard about this?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean there's been multiple books written over this
is another This is just another daily news cycle for
the Vatican. I mean that's I mean, over the last
fifteen years, I've heard countless versions of this story. So
this is just another day, just another day in Rome.
Speaker 9: Right, I mean talking to a Jesuit and he was
very open that it's kind of a no, you know,
it's not uncommon for seminarians to sleep with priests, and
that this was a sort of unspoken thing that he had.
Speaker 7: A well known Yeah, this was a there are whole
books written on this. Michael Rose has a book goodbye,
good men, just about this issue in the last at
least since Vatican two or since the seventies of how
this is like most of the Roman Catholic clergy. I
don't think people understand this. I had a good trad
friend for many years and we were having discussion about
the various studies that have been done about, you know,
sexual preferences amongst from Catholic clerics. And somebody had said, oh,
the public numbers were something like forty or fifty percent, right,
skittles and good. One of my good, very active Catholic
friends at the time was like, no, it's more like seventy, right.
I mean, well, a lot of those people weren't telling
the truth, and I think that it probably is sixty
to seventy percent would be My guests are skittles. And
I've known seminarians who had to leave various seminaries because
they were expected to have those kinds of relations with
the rectors and with the bishops. Yeah, so as well known.
I mean, in fact, entire orders are are skittles and people.
Everybody knows this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really sad to see. And you can so
the sexual degeneracy and then the promotion of the sort
of the global research. I mean to me, as an
Orthodox where morality dictates the cleanliness of one's noetic perception
of reality itself, that it all goes together, the sexual degeneracy,
the global warming, the global reset, the mass migration, and
it's all one thing.
Speaker 7: And I think we should point out too. But yeah,
because at a certain point, because a lot of Roman
Catholics are going to say, dude, you guys have sat
you have you guys have problems, you guys have skills. People. Hey,
and the the argument is not orthodoxy is true because
you have those problems. Nobody's making that argument. Nobody would
be so foolish as to say that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: And nobody's saying, oh, orthodoxy is spot. We don't have
any acumenists, we don't have any No, no, no, that's
not the point. The point is the scope, the scale,
the quantity, the promotion, the insanity that the extremity of it.
I mean we're not just talking about I mean, if
you read the German report about them. Did you see
the report about the nuns in Germany?
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, well you shared it. That's how I saw it.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's like, this is like a whole other
level of in the rampant examples of of the Satanic
abuse in the Roman Caolic Church. I mean it's not
just you know, a corrupt bishop of uh you know,
taking money or you know people, it's it's like extreme
Satanic stuff.
Speaker 6: Well, I saw that there was a Again, I don't know,
it's curious what your opinion is, but an insider quote
unquote saying that Harry Kissinger talked about attending a black
Mass in the Vatican, and that George w or George H.
Bush was there, and that this is a known thing,
that there's black masses in the Vatican. Have you ever
heard about this?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have a whole shelf on the history of
that stuff. So now I don't know if that's the case,
I wouldn't be surprised. But multiple people have written books
on networks of the of the Satanic cult and kind
of secret societies in various Roman Catholic circles. I mean,
you have you know, the cardinal from Scotland best friends
with Jimmy Savell, multiple pictures of them with children. Savel
was was awarded knighthood by John pull the second. I
mean they had to know. I mean you get vetted
by security services before you go talk to the Pope.
There's no way they didn't know who Jimmy Seville was
and what he did as a fixer, as a procurer
of children, you know, with this this open satanic you
know persona and relationship that Saval had, There's no way
these people didn't know this. Then you know he's getting
these awards. I mean, it's just insane. And people just
simply refuse and won't believe that their leaders are that
corrupt because it would really mean the whole that they've
been lied to and they've been believing a lie, and
so they would rather double down on delusions than simply
to admit that they're being lied to and they've been deceived.
But I mean, the same people that are on the
nightly news, the webs of mass destruction people, I mean,
they're lying just as much as these people are lying, right,
So if you think those people are lying, don't you
also think their buddies of the Vatican are lying?
Speaker 6: Right? Absolutely? And it's so funny. People like the Stephen
Colberts of the world are like the public figureheads of
a Catholic you know, or how do I promote my
Catholic faith. And again he's a total subverter, total stood
for the deep state of the global you know nothing,
he says, you can believe it even to be his
own opinion.
Speaker 7: Well, he is a Catholic, because again, Catholicism is whatever
you want it to be. If you wanted to be
skittles and uh, you know, chopping up B A B
I s at plan p A r N T H
O O D, and then that's what it is for you.
If you want it to be medieval knights crusading and
chopping off heads, they can be whatever you want.
Speaker 6: You kind of mentioned it again. I had a list
of topics, but would you mind speaking maybe a little
bit more on on like I'm not too familiar on
the erection of the Vatican Bank.
Speaker 7: What is the history?
Speaker 6: How did this thing come about? You know, I know
a little bit about usury and the Mediceese being really
the first force in Western Europe to really okay usury
in a in a real sys somatic way. How does
this relate to the Vatican Bank. What is you know
some of the background on the Vatican Bank that people
would need to know.
Speaker 7: All right, So Hoffen also has a book on this
about the papal reversal a position on usury. So everybody
knows for the first thousand news Christianity, you aren't supposed
to do usury, right, So the papacy then makes changes
and sort of oh, well, you can do in this case,
this case, this case. So the renaissance are of papacy
is you're exactly right where this reversal occurs, and this
is really what paves the way for modern banking. Modern
banking couldn't have happened if you hadn't had that medieval
power structure having a shift a position on this stuff.
So in many ways, the modern world is a product
of the Vatican. You could say, maybe not directly, but
I mean even law right, legal theory actually goes back
to medieval canon law and the Holy Office. A lot
of people don't know that the Inquisition and the procedural
approach of the Inquisition, for example, had a huge impact
on Western legal theory, which I'm not saying that was
about that. Actually there's a lot of good things believed
or not in inquisitional procedure that would go into Western
legal theory about the rights of the accused, all this
kind of stuff. So a lot of that is overplayed
and and kind of misunderstood. So but that's a different topic.
And when it comes to legal theory itself, our monetary theory, yeah,
I think that eventually what happens is that you get
the allowance for fiat money, money printing, all these kinds
of which would which would would have been previously seen
as dubious immoral practices in terms of banking, become the
norm in the West. I don't think directly, because I
don't think the papers was directly causing that, but you
get the allowance of these things, which opens the pendor's box,
is the point. And so eventually, I don't think the
Vatican Bank started as a thing where they were just
trying to make money or its like a It was
the institute of you know, religious works. It was just
kind of going to be this thing where that you know,
they could promote good works through money for the Diocese
of Rome and the Church Rome. But what eventually happens,
I think is that because there's so much wealth and
power that the Vatican eventually accrues, it's just too much,
it's too over the top that when it becomes eventually
this bank that is part of the global usery based
banking scam is when it really becomes just this nightmare.
And this is where we get the famous Vatican banking scandal,
where now it's tied into the global economy, it's tied
into the giant trillion dollar debt based system, it's tied
into the mafia. This is all well documented. It's not
a conspiracy theory. It's a very famous, well known, documented
event of the Vatican bank scandals, and it eventually led
to the assassination of multiple people. One of the famous
bishops involved in this is Bishop Marcinkus. Go look it up.
And the famous banker who died, the Vatican banker Roberto Calvi.
He ends up assassinated by the mafia over this gigantic
money laundering scheme. So we're organized crime the Vatican. They're
joined at the hip at this point, very clearly from
the scandal. And even after the Vatican banking scandal, it's
not like, oh, well it went away. I mean, there
have been multiple Vatican banking scandals involving money laundering, bribery, theft, deception,
death's assassinations in the last several decades, so it's not
like this went away in the you know, fifty sixty seventies. No, no, no,
it's still ongoing. There have been major Vatican banking scandals
in the last couple of years. And again, the Vatican
Bank is not any different than any of the other
international banks. It's one of them. It's tied into the
shadow banking structure. It's just another element of the you know,
bast system. And so the human t R A F
F I, C K, I, n G. The blackmail that
goes on through clerics being compromised, which by the way
wim Hoff covers. I mean that all ties into these
banking elite scandals because it's the banks that run the world.
Speaker 6: Right, then why the Vatican is so in favor of
the Great Reset, Because not only are they yeah, he's
a tool of these humanist institution, but they're financially in
line and in lockstep with the Great Reset itself.
Speaker 7: Oh, totally, And it's very obvious. It's totally evident to
the whole world, and everybody knows it. And the rom
mccallochs lie to themselves, Oh but he's not really or oh,
I'll just wait until there's a bays pope. You're not
going to get a bas pope. Guess what, Francis stacked
the cardinals with non based cardinals. Who do you think
the non based cardinals are going to elect a bays pope?
Are you serious? There are no base cardinals, there's no base.
You're not going to get whoever that black dude from
Africa is, and he's he's a opponent Vatican two anyway,
So I don't know what people think that cardinal. What's
his face? That black dude?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I know that you've posted recently on some
of the what you what's your thoughts on the whole
Canadian thing where they're finding the remains of the of
the natives at these Catholic sites. I've seen some people
in an orthosphere post that this was a hoax, that
this was a sort of political ploy, But I mean,
the Vatican has Cathosism itself, has a whole history of
killing people pretty ruthlessly. What are your thoughts on some
of the because that's some contemporary news that.
Speaker 7: I don't find it hard to believe. Obviously I don't
know one hundred percent certitude, but I watched two documentaries
on it. I watched multiple interviews with people who had
lived in these orphanages in Canada, I think that a
lot of them are telling the truth. And when I
compare it to other cases of orphanages that aren't just
about indigenous peoples. I mean, you can go to the
orphanages in Ireland, the ones in Scotland, there's cases a
Jersey where I think the one in Jersey wash it
was where they found you know, like piles of bones
in the corner. There ben rumors for many many years
of again satanic and occultic practices in these places. So
I don't think that's hard to believe at all. In fact,
it's not in print anymore. But William Kennedy wrote a
book back before all this came out in two thousand
and three or four called Lucifer's Lodge, and he was
just documenting the cases of this stuff up until two
thousand and three or four. So many, many more cases
have come out, and so again it's not just look
up the satanic practices that were going on at the
orphanage in Scotland where they admitted it with Satanic Look
at how they were renting the boys out in Germany.
Admittedly I can't even say what they were doing in
that case.
Speaker 6: So just.
Speaker 7: So I don't find it hard to do. I know
with the hum certitude that that that's what they were
doing to the indigenous peoples and kind of know, but
I don't find it hard to believe given the other
cases that I can confirm, right absolutely, Yeah, the the
and by the way, just because leftist groups take stories
and try to use them, doesn't mean that there's not
some truth to the stories, right absolutely.
Speaker 6: And the grooming of children, I mean, this is a
this is a known thing. And you know, even my
low Ye Monopolis himself, where did he experience his first
homoerotic relationship well with his priest and and so it's
it's it's so out in the open that it's kind
of hard as an Orthodox and I never really turned
my gaze even coming back to Christ. Catholicism was always
a real difficult pill to swallow given some of these
things that were they're so out in the open. At
this point, I did find the traditionality interesting before really
diving into Orthodoxy. But the child grooming, the pedophilia, it
is so so prevalent.
Speaker 7: And like that, I mean, that's what I'm trying to say,
is that the at the organizational institutional level. This is
so rampant and so widespread that it's as if the
whole organization is basically an organized crime entity, right, which
that's how I see it.
Speaker 6: Their bank is used to launder the money for all
their crime. And this is not this is known, right,
So why people want to be in this baffles me.
And I think people think that, you know, what they
read in the church fathers, or what they read in
the forged documents, which you know, the papacy has relied
on countless dozens of forgeries to try to pop up
this position because it was so ahistorical, they had to
rely on all these I've got a list of the
forgeries right here. They rely on all these forgeries, you know,
forged documents to try to prove the papacy.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, if you're not being by forgeries,
I don't understand why you would find this institution even
convincing or dealing. I mean, it's not a haven of traditionalism,
it's not. It is the revolution itself. Francis is a
revolutionary and when you go into this institution as a
traditionally minded person, uh, Francis doesn't want you there. You're
not his he doesn't care about you, he wants you
to go away. In fact, look what he just did
to all the Trads exactly exactly so so that the
irony ears of the Roman Catholics, the traditional Roman Catholics,
that get so mad at us, and really, I think
that it's just lashing out. They're angry about their position,
their church, and really Francis, and a lot of the
anger is directed at us when it's you know, I'm
not Francis, I'm not. I don't. There's no better evangelist
for Orthodoxy than Pote Francis.
Speaker 6: Amen to that. And you almost feel bad because I know,
I have some Catholic friends and they're still there, you know,
they're on the level, they're based, and they're still struggling
with their faith. And it's like I'm always trying to
throw out lures that lead them back to Orthodoxy. And
it's like the the ancestry of their family, their relationship
to Orthodoxy. You know how many generations I mean Catholicism,
I know, and and and it's I they can't get
out of the historistity of their family tradition being part
of Cathology.
Speaker 7: Okay, well, that's just an idol. So that's we would
all be idolators if we believe that, because our ancestors
are all Pagans.
Speaker 6: But I mean, that's the only thing I can imagine
why what would hold somebody in Catholicism at this point.
There is no logical theological justification for why it'd be
the true church. It has to be some like you said,
sort of idolizing of your family history of this is
what you know our granddad did, and he was such
a great guy. It just falls empty, It falls real empty.
Speaker 7: Well, the scary part about that, too, is how delusions work.
And the problem is that the more that you buy
into and affirmed delusions, you're not hurting anybody but yourself.
I mean, it's not like you're not getting at me
because you stay in Rome almost good dire convinced, my
friends become tragile. You're gonna find out firsthand that the
trad world is not what is cracked up to me.
And right the nightmare I was. I spent ten years
in that world, so it's it's not it's not. The
grass is not Greeners want to try to say if
you go to the trad world and one thing I
found too is that, like you said, a lot of
the times when we talk to people who I'll put
it this way, I've never had a person who left
Orthodoxy for Rome have a coherent, real conversation with any
of us or any any of my friends about why,
in fact what always happens. And there was a couple
of people recently who did this in the last year.
I know of two. They specifically said, I will not
speak to you, I don't want anything to do with you,
and I'm not going to talk to you. And it's like, well,
did I do something personally? No, okay, but what wouldn't
you want to at least bounce the ideas off, like
you know what I mean, we're at least decent apologists
over here, Like, wouldn't you want to hear some at
least good arguments as to why maybe it's not the
best choice. No, I want nothing to do with you.
I'm not going to talk to you. I don't want it.
So what that says to me is that the reasons
that they have and in one case, this one person said,
when I prayed, I felt better doing Roman Cally prayers.
That's not a good argument. Again, that is pre delusion exactly.
We're not. We don't choose our religion of the basis
of how we feel. I mean, if that was the case, Uh, well,
I got a burning in my bosom when I prayed,
So I guess I should go to you know this
or that cold man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So in that idea, like, for example, the gentleman
of your example leaving Orthodoxy not wanting to engage with
you because you may sway him from his decision to
go back to Catholicism, and then even basing it in
emotional I mean, Saint Ignatius, his whole prayer is about
fantastic imaginating places for prayer and devotion and then immense
Pietism in the way that you feel and get an
Orthodoxy we say, who watch out with being way too
emotional and way too in your imagination.
Speaker 7: Well, one of these people was a girl, so that's
actually why she wanted to go on that route. Another
person was a dude who specifically would not have anything
to do or discuss anything with any of us. And again,
I mean, that's your prerogative, but it's not really going
to hurt my feelings if you don't like me. But again,
I would just I would think that if I was
going to make a decision like that, I would want
to know the best case and the best arguments, irregardless
of the person giving the argument right, right? What the
other position was?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: So what's the best arguments for Orthodoxy? What was the
best arguments from Catholicism? I want to see both of
those right. And that's, you know, really what I tried
to do. That's the approach. I took many, many years
looking at both of those arguments, both those systems and
not just the arguments. But like, where have both of
these churches gone? Right? Where did Rome go in the
last fifteen years? Where did Orthodoxy go in the last
fifteen years?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: No, And that has to do with a pursuit of
an honest pursuit and sincere pursuit of truth, of which
is the incarnation of Jesus Christ, the logos Jesus Christ
is the truth. Truth is who, not of what. And
so my own journey back to Orthodoxy deeply in the psychedelics,
deeply into the drug scene. But it was I was
honestly thought it was true, and I was open to
change my mind and I'm learning, I'm taking a new information,
and that journey leads me to Orthodoxy and even led
me to your content, of which you are on the
same path, and that you're apologetics. So if I am
able to do any thing positive with my channel, it's
trying to put out truthful things in the pursuit of truth,
no matter whoever it comes from or who it comes from,
and then take that and navigate based on that information.
And I feel like so many of the people I
know that are still stuck in Roman Catholicism. They can
see so much of what's going on because their trad values,
Yet then when it comes back to the Church and
the absolute degeneracy of their institution, they don't want to
look at it. And to me, that's in negating of
Christ himself and the pursuit of truth, which is why
then the Church is the way it is. The Catholic
Church is the way it is because of that.
Speaker 7: Well one of the other tried myths that needs to
be exploded, which is another kind of weird delusion, as
a lot of Roman Catholics think that they can have
their Roman Catholicism regardless and irrespective of Rome. I don't
care what Francis does. I'm gonna go Latin Mass I'm
gonna do my trad stuff. That's my religion. But that's
not how the Roman Catholic system works. You don't get
to erect your mental Roman Catholic that has nothing to
do with Rome. Because the fundamental nature of the Church
in the Roman Catholic system is defined at Vatican One
and is essentially constituted by Rome and the living successor
in Rome. You have no right, no prerogative. In fact,
you're condemned for saying that I'm going to have my
Roman Catholicism irregardless, with nothing to do with the guy
in Rome. That's totally contrary. It's condemned. In fact. In
terms of Vatican One, Vatican One says that the Roman
Catholic Institution, as a visible institution, can never lose its
constituent elements and parts, and some of those are things
like international visibility. It's a visible international institution. It has
a living head and successor and always will until the
return of Christ. So that doesn't mean that there's not
periods of vacancy when they're going to elect a pope,
but it's saying that there will never cease to be
a living, visible successor to the office of Peter under
that terrorism of the Holy Spirit until the end of
the world. This is all laid out very clearly in
Vatican One. Everybody who's a Roman Catholic who doesn't know
this should go print out and Rea Vatican one, because
I'm serious, so many people in my experience in the
Roman Catholic world, they're just ignorant of what Vacan one
actually says, and they think that they can do this
like Protestant move where they have a Roman Catholicism of
their own in their head that's not connected to Rome.
That doesn't work, that doesn't exist. You don't get to
have an historian, invisible church version of Catholicism that's not
based on the living successor to Peter in Rome. Right,
That's what Vatican one says, right, right, And that's what
they all want to do. They're all like, I don't
care what's happened in Rome for the last seventy years.
I'm going to do my thing. Okay, But that's not
Roman Catholicism. That's something else.
Speaker 6: And that's the problem with you know, the whole SSPX
and a lot of those people.
Speaker 7: In care and and the trads too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now their their mass is being uh, you know,
outlawed within this.
Speaker 7: Well, they're all saying, I don't care what Rome does.
It doesn't work like that, don't you know that Vatican
One says that you have to adhere to the jurisdictional,
canonical and UH judgments of Rome, so that, in other words,
when the when the Holy See pronounces a judgment on
this or that liturgical canonical issue, you can't reject it.
You might believe it's wrong, but you can't reject it.
You don't have the authority to reject the juridical decisions
of the Roman See. That's actually a condemned proposition because
at the time that that was added to Vatican One,
it's it's part of Vatican one. If you read densing here,
there were theologians, for example, the time we were saying, oh, okay, well,
I will accept uh the papal teaching only in so
far as it's ex cathedral, and so there was some
theologians who said at that time that means I don't
have to accept uh, like if the Holy Office censures
me for teaching something like if they condemn me or
excommunicate me, or then I don't have to accept those
things because they're not ex cathedral that is condemned, and
it specifically say it's that you must follow the Roman
See in all of her offices and decisions, including the
Holy Office, which is an extension of the of the
Roman See. So I mean you could see the like
the new the the Sophistry and Casustrie that was being used,
or people are trying to get around it. Well, I
don't have to accept like, you know, the Holy Office
because that's not the Pope. Well, it specifically says that
it's an extension of the Pope. You do have to
accept it, right, because it's an action of the representatives
of the Holy See. So this is all just just
gains and nonsense that the trads do and play to
try to get around these problems.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my favorite, one of my favorite ones is the
the sort of low IQ rebote, and I saw Nick
Quintez said this to you and your debate with him
as well, we're the true church because we were founded
by Peter. And it's like, dude, did you not read
the Book of Acts? Like there's multiple churches you know,
for example, I'm in the antiochia In Church antioch INDIOK
was founded by Peter and Paul Way before Rome. So
what exactly you talking about it?
Speaker 7: I mean, earlier ecuminical councils state that every church that
has absolute succession is as fully Catholic as any other church.
So this is ridiculous, right.
Speaker 6: Well, when you're talking about how they almost harm themselves
in the sort of delusion mouse traps mazes that the
Catholics go through. I mean, now we're seeing the Vatican
promote the jab passport and getting the stabbies, and.
Speaker 7: Now this, I mean, what better example of the fact
that he is a tool of the geopolitical powers that
we talked about than that.
Speaker 6: Exactly, you can't even go so based on the presupposition,
say I am a Roman Catholic, Well, I definitely want
to go to the Vatican, and I want to, but
I'm against abortion. So because I'm against abortion, I'm not
going to put something with fetal cells inside of me.
But then the Vatican itself won't even let you in
without your green pass What are you talking about?
Speaker 7: H And by the way, I found there used to
be some things on the Vatican website several years ago,
maybe five ten years ago that actually condemned using those
cell lines in stabbies, and it's apparently no longer the
case that was under Benedict. So again, it's funny how
things just can reverse, right, like it's a sin to
do it like ten years ago. Oh now it's cool,
it's all good, donor right.
Speaker 6: And I saw in certain parts of the US that
Catholic bishops were preventing priests from giving religious exemptions from
the stabbes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and if any trid wants to fuss about the
worthwox world, I would totally agree with you. Wrong, whether
it's in the world or the Orthodoxy anyway, it's wrong.
But but the point is that the nature of the
Roman Catholic system is not the system that is Orthodoxy.
Orthodoxy doesn't have Bartholome you as a pope, right, He's
not like there have been countless time, not countless, but
many times when the patriarch concept and noble was a
total heretic. And everybody knows this his famous instances in
the history of the church, many of them persecuted people
who eventually became saints. Right, So we're not saying that
a patriarch, any of these bishops can't apostatize. In fact,
that's our whole point any patriarchy, any bishop can apostatize,
including the one in Rome, and.
Speaker 6: He has clearly and so along. What we're seeing now
within Catholicism is I forget what's the priest's name, and
he's got like a he's online on Twitter and stuff
something Martin, and he promotes a lot of the homosexual stuff.
Speaker 7: You know his name, Oh the famous Jesuit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah that now now I know with some of
the more trad bishops and priests and Catholicism were really
upset because Francis sent him a glowing letter about his
work regarding same sex unions and marginalized communities. That you're
really seeing a real push within Catholicism for same sex unions.
Speaker 7: Well, there was an issue a few months ago where
Francis in a video talked about how it might be
advantageous to have the legalization of the civil unions too.
Speaker 6: What was his reason for it being advantageous just to
get more people or what?
Speaker 7: No, I think it was throwing I mean my analysis
that he was throwing a bone either to that community,
to the left, or he was testing the waters to
see how far he could go to advance the revolution right.
Speaker 6: Which in my mind it is the Apostate church.
Speaker 7: And so I mean all of the I mean all
of their apologists were all up in arms and going
having a hissy fit over it. And it's like, I mean,
what about all the other stuff he does?
Speaker 3: Like he.
Speaker 7: I mean he goes to mosques and prays towards Mecca.
I mean that's an action of apostasy in your own
theology and canon law. But they don't care. They don't care, right,
That's what they just say. I don't care what he does.
I don't care what he does. It doesn't matter. I
don't have to listen to Rome. It's all. It's it's
you notice how arbitrary it is as to what's infallible
and binding and what's not. It's just whatever the Roman
Catholic needs at the moment. Right, Oh, it's not, that's
not infallible. It doesn't matter, it's not, it's not ex cathedral,
and then when he needs it to be it is.
This is again the irony is that there is no
actual list for them as to what is dogma infallible
and what isn't. So the very thing that they always
try to roll out is like their trump card, their
knockdown argument. Right, you don't have a way to know dogma. Okay,
where is the list of the Roman Catholic dogmas? They
don't have one. There is no infallible list. Yeah.
Speaker 6: The relativism, as you're talking about, you started sort of
picking and choosing and finding things that are useful at
certain points. I mean, to me, this is the spirit
of the anti Christ. If Christ is the truth, the
fact that the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church is
filled with all this really promoting the relativism is the
negation of Christ himself, the negation of the validity and
veracity of Christianity.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it can't be apostasy in nineteen twenty eight to
have inter religious prayer meetings and interfaith prayer meetings in
nineteen sixty five. That be the work of the Holy
Spirit to do it right. It's just I can't. That's
not possible. And they always say, give us one example
of a contradiction chal There's one right there, which insane.
By the way, Roman Catholics they really should read Mortalium
Anemos because the whole encyclical is a virulence, I mean,
just rabbit refutation and rejection of Ecumenism in all forms,
and then it's night and day, the very opposite of
what is in Vatican Two, in the Vatican two documents
and in the actions of the Vatican two papacy. Particularly.
I'm sure you've seen the Assezi gatherings, are you familiar
with us? Okay, so in nineteen eighty six, and then
then again on something like nineteen ninety two or I
don't know, someone in the nineties, they gathered together all
the world religions and have these big, famous prayer meetings.
And you'll notice it's their famous pictures where John pull
the Second is of their holding a plant or something,
and he's up there with the Buddhists and with the
Hindus and the Giantess, and there's even an Orthodox bishop
there supposedly. And it's known as the Assezi Gatherings. And
they famously went into the Saint Francis Cathedral in Italy,
in Assisi, and they draped blankets over all the crucifixes,
so it's to not offend the world religions. They allowed
voodoo practitioners to go into one of the rooms, they
allowed all the other religions to go into the other rooms,
and they had a World Religion Prayer Day where everyone
prayed to their gods. It's very famous incidents, but I
don't know why every Roman Catholic should know about this.
And uh, they even placed a little Buddha up on
the altar to appease the Buddhists. And I mean, if
that's if you can't see, if you don't have the
spiritual discernment, not telling you, but people in general, if
people in general don't have the spiritual discernment to see
that that is apostasy, then I don't know what to
tell you. And you're in delusion, and you know it's
just going to have to be God waking them up
out of that state, because I mean, that's just a
fundamentally impossible scenario to have all of the world religion.
In fact, I mean, it was so bad Benedict had
to do like damage control for it.
Speaker 6: Wow yeo. I mean, which you see now the Pacha
Mama veneration.
Speaker 7: Patcha Mama is just an a logical extension of Vatican
two in the Aszi gathering, and Pacha.
Speaker 6: Mama as a what do you want to call it,
a spiritual entity is really just a sort of substantiation
of the global warming cult in this new veneration of
nature itself.
Speaker 7: I mean, Patcha Mama is a human sacrifice deity.
Speaker 6: Right in the Amazon. It related back to this sort
of which is exactly one we're undergoing at a global
level right now. Is a sort of human sacrificial absolutely.
Speaker 7: And let's make a point about this that relates earlier
to the sleight of hand. And you mentioned the extreme
Marion dogmas in Rome. One of the justifications that these
people tried to give for Pascha Mama was precisely that, well,
if they're as indigenous people honoring the Great Mother, that's
no different than Mary. Really, so Mary is literally a
eqivalent of a human sacrifice deity. In other words, is
remember what we were saying earlier about how the word
God is not a rigid designator. Right. But this is
the syncretistic approach of Roman Catholicism, you know, this is
what you see in Santaia, right, which is, oh, well,
convert the masses by just saying that Mary is your patchemma.
That's not real conversion. That's not what Christianity is. Christianity
is not taking all the world religion symbols and then
just saying that while we're all talking about the same thing. Bro,
it's all the same. No, Mary is not a human
sacrifice deity out of the Amazon. They're not the same thing.
So the fact that the word great mother or mother
is used does not mean it's the same reference.
Speaker 6: This is so stupid, right, absolutely, I'm not joking.
Speaker 7: That's literally the justification that they tried to use. I
tried to say, well, it's a great mother, we have
the mother of God that they had tacos the same thing, bro.
Speaker 6: But it's just like what you're talking about at the
beginning of the stream, with what they do with the
concept of God in the New One World religion. It's
it's the same inflation of concepts and categories.
Speaker 7: It's a word concept fallacy, it's a sleight of hand.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 7: The stupid thing about this is that it doesn't produce converts.
It produces aberrations and aberrant forms of the religion that
lead to the very things that are the problem that
we're talking.
Speaker 6: About, right, which I believe is entirely intentional.
Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, it's it's a it's a tool for
religious engineering ultimately from the vantage point of the elite, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and and so the pascha, Mama, I
mean it. It's getting Catholic in the Catholic world, whether
they're conscientious of it or not to again subtly get
scooped up into the green religion.
Speaker 7: Which well, yeah, exactly. So remember the word catholic. So
if you read the in the in the first style
and years, when you're reading the Church fathers and the
Saints and the councils, Catholic means the fullness of the
faith right. It does not equate to a number of
people that believe it. That might be part of it,
at least when the Church expands throughout the Empire. And yeah,
there's a lot of people believe it. But the Catholic
Church at various times, even in the Imperium, was very small.
In the Arian Crisis, the number of true Catholics was
very small in the days of Saint Maximus. Saint Maximus
famously said I am a Catholic and will always remain
a Catholic. Even if the number of Catholics is reduced
to five people. He said, I'll still be the I'll
still be one of the Catholics. And he's expressing the
point that Catholic means fullness does not equate to first
and foremost numbers of people. And this is another silly
argument of the Roman Catholics, and they try to equate
the two and oh see where the true churches we
have the most people. And that's what Catholic means. It
means universal. And they're doing the same thing with universal,
where they say, oh see, universal means everything, and so
every religion is really, you see, just part of the
consenter circles of Catholicism. Right, absolutely, no, that's not what
Catholic means. In the Creed, one Holy Catholic and Apostolic
Church has nothing to do with all the religions being
on a scale of being.
Speaker 6: In fact, the Creeds emphatically stating that this is the single,
one true faith, path and purpose exactly. It's not ecumenical
whatsoever or perennialistic whatsoever.
Speaker 7: It would be like saying it'd be like saying, well,
we're all acumenists because they were ecumenical councils, and that's
the same word. I think, how stupid that is, Like,
as of ecumenism equates to ecumenical council It's totally different meanings.
Speaker 6: Dude, Oh my gosh, It reminds me of the people
that you look at English words and come up with
this whole uh theology of how all the you know,
all the religions are are star warship astro theot and
they kind of mix and do they try to do
This is a.
Speaker 7: Classic Jordan Maxwell move, right, Dordon Maxwell does this where
he says Solomon, right, Solomon was actually soul home and on,
and it's like, dude, the name Solomon Shalom has nothing
to do with those other languages, right.
Speaker 6: That game's only played in English. And that's what I
think for.
Speaker 7: This, it's so stupid, so low i q. But ironically
what we're talking about is almost like another version of this,
like really low iq uh slide. It's a sleight of hand, right.
Imagine me trying to convert people being like, do you
believe in God? I believe in God? Do we well
believe in God? He's like, He's like, well, but I'm
a voodoo practitioner. Yeah, but we both agree that we
believe in God, so we're in the same religion. See,
now you have to come to church with me? Like,
who would buy that? It's just such a stupid argument, right,
that's what's going on.
Speaker 6: Well, and whether it be the pacha mama worship, be
the marinology, or the sort of sympathetic yearnings it has
towards the global warming, global climate chain, whatever they want
to call it. Now you see the feminization of the
church itself and how it's now wanting to even ordain
women as priests, and that Orthodoxy really is the last
vestige of any sort of patriarchal force within Christianity because
the consumerism. Yeah, we might have some good Protestants or
Evangelicals that are resistant things, but Protestantism itself, especially the
way it exists in America, is replete with consumerism, you know,
self worship, all these different things that doesn't masculinize a person.
There's no tradition there. Orthodoxy is the last vestige of
a sort of masculinized Christianity. And even though the trad
Catholics want to talk about their crusaders of you know,
the the eleventh Entry or whatever, it's it's a feminized
institution at this point because it's so worldly, it's so
in step with the progressive yearnings of the world. Right now,
what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 7: And also you can say that in the fact that
that older Crusader ethos, which itself is heterodox, but that
older idea of Crusaders is actually given way to the
obsessive Marian apparition reliance. And so the modern manifestations of
Roman Falicism are almost completely dominated by Marianism, marion dogmas,
and excessive uh Marian worship. Really, and I don't think anybody,
I mean, I again, my years in the trad world,
I met more trads that could tell you about you know,
Fatima and magic, Goryan all this nonsense than could tell
you what's in scripture. They probably couldn't tell you the
Tank commandments, but they could tell you everything about you know,
adam On Megigorian, all this nonsense. They don't know what's
in the Book of John, but they know about so what.
That's a clear example to me, right of this is
an aberrant, you know, form of delusion. Really, I mean,
the the saints that have really been stressed in the
last few hundred years of the Romancolic Church are especially
in the last few decades, saints that are confirmations of
Vatican two, Right, I mean, we've got jose Maria Scrieva,
We've got you know, Mother Terisa. I mean, these are
expressions of the Vatican two religion and worldview, and even
before them, you have these really historyonic manifestations of the
of the feminine, which from the from the orthodixed perspective.
This is a really important point because we think the
experience of the saints is unified. There's not twenty hundred different,
thousand mystical paths that everybody takes that involves all this
nonsense of like, you know, Jesus giving people spiritual orgasms.
I'm not joking, by the way. That's the real thing
with Teresa Avila. You know, Jesus floating around in the
host and telling Fostina Kowalska that she's the holiest and
most best known in the world and their bff and
boyfriend girlfriend. I'm not joking. That's what's in her revelations.
All this nonsense that, by the way, you have to accept.
If you're Catholic, you believe those things. You know, Jesus,
Jesus carving his name into the chest of various saints,
and you know, Jesus giving a circumcision ring to one
of the women's saints. I mean, it's just nonsense. It's ridiculous.
It's actually delusion from the Orthodox perspective, because for us,
the experience of the saints is all the same. It
is a unified experience of the divine light, not in
the escaton, in this life. So for us, Moses, Paul, Basil, Palamas,
they all have the same experience. There's no such thing
as these crazy things.
Speaker 6: Right, okay, right, which gives it a sort of real unity.
And that's what's the funny thing about the when you
look at Catholicism is they have this unity in the papacy,
or or at least submission to the papers.
Speaker 7: It's a pseudo pseudo unity.
Speaker 6: Because inside it they have so much diversity and contention
and conflict and literally contradictions amongst each other. It makes
no sense. It's just that we all submit to the papacy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's not a unified faith at all. No, the
principle of unity is just the verbal accession and knowledge
acknowledgment mentally verbally of the pope. That's it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: Literally, everything else is all all over the place.
Speaker 6: I can't help too. One of the things I've been
thinking about is is it feels like Catholicism is magical
like they sort of promote a magical theology and when
you look at again, I don't know the technic, but
their concepts of grace. So the pope has grace then
because of his grace.
Speaker 7: Oh, it is in fact, it is a technology. The
ex operary operato doctrine is a magical doctrine because in
the Roman Catholic system, you could be ordained a priest
literally the next day become a Satanist and you can
still confect the Eucharus for the rest of your life.
They literally think that that's the power of the priesthood,
which is just preposterous. I mean, the Orthodox to you
that you know, if you're outside the church, you can't
confect the Eucharist, right, I mean an aposta can't confect
the Ucharsus, you can't even confect the Eucharus without the
approval of economical bishop. So the idea of this whole,
you know, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 6: Right, And they can do like the transubstantiation. The fact
that they can do things on behalf of the people.
I've been trying to this.
Speaker 7: Is why Satanists and occultists actually try to go to
Roman Catholic They try to get I'm not joking. They
try to get that priesthood ordination because they think that
it is a magical power.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the Catholics and no institution presented as
a magical power.
Speaker 7: Well, it's like a technology, right, So you can control
technical you know what, God. You can make God come
into the bread and the wine, and you don't even
have to have the faith, right, I mean literally, you
can be a Satanist the day you get ordained, and
you can still confect the Uchers, which is just for.
Speaker 6: Which makes you think. And what I mean by it
as magical is that when we perform a liturgical service
as Orthodox, we ask the Holy Spirit through a mystery
to come and sanctify these gifts on behalf of everybody.
The priest is just the head of the body of Christ,
the parishioners. Where in Catholicism, you know, it's it's that
the priest does it. He does it on your behalf
because you know you as a little bit lower than
he is in the world of grace and relationship to God,
that he needs to do this for you. That there's this,
as you said, as sort of an authority, there's this technique,
whether he believes in it or not. He has this
ability to magically transform warm the the unleavened bread by
the way, which I find demonic in itself. I mean,
if Christ's body rose from the dead, and the Eucharist
is how we participate in the salvific work of Christ,
then the bread obviously has to be risen to some
degree because his body roads. That's the theology to make
it unleavened bread. They want to say that they're doing
it because the Old Testament or whatnot. It conflates New
Testament theology.
Speaker 7: It makes no sense, and yeah, it's it's a very
If you read Metropolitan Seraphro Mabereus's list, he lists one
of the lists that has one of the many things
that can never be accepted by the Orthodox because it's
not Patristic. I mean Rome, I mean there's all kinds
of things like this, like forbidding children to have communion.
The whole ancient church did that. It's i mean, the
only only the Orthodox Church maintains that. So uh, I
mean these are clear signs of you know, who the
actual consistent Patristic church is. And uh, you know, it's
just the degree of deception and coping and you know,
mental gymnastics that that they have to go to to
try to make that system work is I think what
drives those people kind of crazy. A lot of them
become alcoholics, a lot of them are very depressed, a
lot of them become atheists. They just give up because
that system doesn't get you anywhere. And and it's because
the system itself is a problem.
Speaker 6: Right, It makes total sense, makes total sense, just.
Speaker 7: Like this, just like Protestanism or Evangelicalism, just different problems.
Speaker 6: Right. No, I totally agree. I totally agree.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go pretty soon.
Speaker 6: But we have we can. Do you have time for
a few super chats?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Sure, okay, all right, thank you so much for for
stopping here and having this conversation.
Speaker 7: I'm sure well, by the way, I did have a
bunch of like the more of the historical stuff that
maybe we can do a separate one on that kind
of stuff. But like Edward Denny's Papalism, and this is
a thousand page book, a getas book, the Papacy is
kind of a classic on this too, and so I
wouldn't mind, you know, maybe down the road we can
do another discussion where we get into like the historical examples,
you know, the canon law I've got in your I
sent you that that first link. There is a list
of the canons you know that are contrary to Let
me show a Vatican one. So maybe we can do
a show on that subject. That would be great.
Speaker 6: First superchat comes from Traditional Culture Preservation Society, throws in
fifteen dollars and says, hello, I have been a fan
and follower for a while. I'd be interested in interviewing
you on my channel about anthropology sometime in the near future.
Is that okay with you? That's definitely okay with me.
Thank you so much. Traditional Culture Preservation Society. Send me
an email at Church of the Eternal Logos at gmail
dot com and we can definitely set something up. Thank
you so much for your superchat. Oh our good, our
good ortho. Buddy. Chase Haggard throws into super chat and says,
the Dynamic Diva duo at it again. Thanks for all
your hard work. Well, thank you, Chase. I know he's
a mod in your discord. Brother the Tristan and nephew
to Merril Haggard. Orthodoxy Chloroquin throws into super chat and says,
how are we to understand Christ's final judgment of the
wicked when he says, quote depart from me, ye accursed
into the fire unquote, et cetera. How does this square
with eternal torment being an undesired experience of God's uncreated
energies when he said depart.
Speaker 7: Right, So it's not a spatio temporal thing. You can't
get away from God in terms of space. It's not
like there's a place where he's not. So what is
not there is the positive experience of God. What is
there is the ill experience of God. So this is outline.
You just go read Saint Maximus on it. He covers
it in detail, ever ill being, ever well being there
you go.
Speaker 6: Thanks, thank you Orthodox of Chlora Quinn for your super Chat.
I greatly appreciate, appreciate your support. Brother Eric. Breakbill throws
into super chat and says, congrats on reaching nine thousand subs. Well,
thank you very much, Eric, I appreciate that slow and steady.
Stevie throws into super chat and says, are Jay and
David aware of the ABBA return and their upcoming quote
magical space circus unquote virtual concert. It's awfully convenient timing.
No I'm not familiar you.
Speaker 7: Uh no, I'll follow boomer disco bands. But that's pretty
cool to hear about. I'll check it out.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much Stevie for the support. The Green
Feathers throws into super chat and says, thanks for another
great stream. Well, thank you Green Feathers for all your support.
I really appreciate it. Orthodox of Chlora Quinn throws in
a two parter. Okay, so we got two part super
chat here. First part is Roman Catholicism is really nothing
more than papalolatry. I guess, the idolatry of the infallible
man enthroned in Vatican City. The papacy has followed Lucifer's
proud fall from grace by saying quote, I will place
my throne over the bishops of the Church. True, I
shall be as God on earth unquote. Instead of being
the first among equals, the papacy has unwittingly become the
first among many forerunners for anti Christ. Great show, gentlemen,
thanks for all you do in God bless well. Thanks
Orthodoxic Chloroquin, great comment, great super chat, Thank you for
your support. Brother links throws into super chat and says,
Jay go into spurgatory.
Speaker 7: All right, Um, I've paid all my sperg indulgences, so
I'm out of it.
Speaker 6: What a relief. Panoat throws into super chat and says
doctor Joseph Ferrell in God History and Dialectic Volume three,
calls the post schism Western concept of God the chameleon godhead,
which lines up perfectly with the manifold confused absolute divine
simple spawns true.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And also, I mean, you know, Orthodox faith and life
and Christ by Saint Justin Papovitch is really just I mean,
in multiple chapters making the points that David and I
made tonight. I haven't read that book. It's a musteret.
Speaker 6: Matthios. Uh salt the gang throws in a super chat
and says Greeting's brothers, Jay, may I play, please be
readmitted to the discord. God bless you both.
Speaker 7: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: So we have a whole bunch of mods. We had
a bad mod about six months ago who was intentionally
comes to verting and deleting people in like a lot
of people to cause problems. So we don't have that
mod anymore. So I don't know if he did that,
or who did that or what. But I don't really
handle the monding anymore, so I don't he'ple always asked
me to do this, but I don't even know, so
I don't know.
Speaker 6: All right, Well, is Chase is still a mod in
your discord?
Speaker 7: Right, yes, Chase?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Chase, if you're available, maybe go back and
forth with mattheos assault the Gang and see if maybe
that situation can be remedied. Next super Chat comes from
Storm the Cat and says, Hi, dph and J. If
Protestants believe in the rapture will happen before the Anti
Christ comes, does that mean that they will be tricked
and they will worship the Anti Christ? I like both
of your channels, Please pray for me and my family.
Interesting question, I mean, well, I mean, I.
Speaker 7: Guess if we're in the end times, they might end
up tricked and they might not believe when there's no rapture.
But I don't know for positive that we are in
the end times. But if we are, yeah, so yeah, so.
Speaker 6: Obviously we don't believe in the rapture. I would say
just that doctrine itself is probably a spirit of the Antichrist,
so it's true to some degree. Next Superchat comes from Rich,
he says, great stream, I still share the quote proving
God to an atheist video all the time to introduce
people to tag Jay. Do you still plan on making
a quick response video directly calling out Lofton?
Speaker 7: No, the reason we didn't do that is because right
after that is when Trent wanted to do the debate,
and Trent is just obviously a much more quality He's
actually a quality opponent and a person that you know,
I have actual respect for. So Trent is somebody that
we want to focus on. I don't think that Lofton
is even worth anybody's time.
Speaker 6: Really agreed. Tatiana throws into super chat and says, been
so long since I caught a live stream. God bless
you brothers in Christ. Well, thank you so much, Tatiana,
God bless you and your family. Next super chat comes
from James and he says, why did Patriarch Krill write
the forward to Pope Francis's book called Quote Our Mother
Earth and Exchange of quote Gifts and make the Havana
declaration with Francis as well? I'm not familiar with those things,
so feel free.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know about the forward to the book.
I would disagree with that. I don't know that writing
the forward necessarily makes your hair take. If he's affirming
the climate change stuff, I would say that's pretty pretty
bad news. And I don't agree with what is in
the Havana statement either.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have no idea, but think James, thank you
for that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 7: So I think people think too that like if an
Orthodox bishop does something bad, then it's the same thing
as what happens with the pope doesn't. But I mean,
I don't think people grasp that the Orthodox Church is decentralized, right,
So I'm not like immediately destroyed because a patriarch or
a metropolitan or a bishop does something a bat or evil.
That's not how our church works. It's a synodal church,
so there's synods and it's governed to notally. And when
there's a synod that you know, deals with those kinds
of scandals or issues, then it's dealt with right. So
if there are and there are right, there's there's canonical
procedures for these kinds of things. So yeah, I mean, again,
I don't know where these people get the idea that
I mean that half of the Orthodox world hates me.
I'm not that the whole Orthodox world even knows who
I am. And I'm saying that in America, there's a
large percentage of those people that can't stand me, dislike me,
would like to, you know, see me not talking about
Orthodoxy or whatever. But that doesn't do what I conclude
from that old I guess Orthodoxy is not true because
many of these people don't like me, right, or in
other words, the truth or falsity of the system is
not going to be dependent on within a decentralized system
this or that bishop doing this that wrong. The difference
between what we are arguing and the Roman system is
that it's not a decentralized system. It's a system that
hinges on what the guy in Rome does. My system
doesn't hinge on what Carol does.
Speaker 6: Right, exactly. Well, most people just have no idea of
what orthodox ecclesiology is, and like.
Speaker 7: Right, they think it's just like the pope and like
if the patriarch of Moscow does something bad, then the
whole system falls apart. Like that, it's not a papal system, dude.
Speaker 6: Or maybe they come from the Baptist you know, well,
you know, minister so and so is in charge of
the church. That must just again they extrapolate the Catholic
ecclesiology to you know, some Protestant form where there's always
a single person in charge. There is no person in
charge at Christ. The priest of priests. He's the only
person in charge of the church. He's the head of
the church. That's why we have no vicar.
Speaker 7: This is a good thing. This is this is a
firewall because the whole system can't be tainted and disrupted
and ruined by one dude, and that Rome can't. Right.
So if an Orthodox of bishop or a priest that
I'm under goes into heresy, the great thing about multiple
jurisdictions is that Lord willing, I can find another one.
Speaker 6: Right is human milk Vegan throws into superchat with no comment,
thank you very much as human milk Vegan for the
support and Orthodox of Chloroquin throws in another superchat, thank
you very much, brother, and he says, when Catholicism supposedly
says quote I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic
Church unquote, what it really means is I believe in
one supreme, infallible and Roman pontiff unquote extra papum nola
Sullis Catholicism is an exact ecclesiological.
Speaker 7: Heresy absolutely.
Speaker 6: And that does all the superchats. So brother, thank you
so much for coming on and sharing your wisdom with us.
I guarantee you this will be insightful for a lot
of people who watch. This covered a lot of ground
and hit on a lot of the heresies and the evils.
Speaker 7: Well, we need to also get into, you know, the
history and the cannons, because I'm sure I can already
tell whether on mcallis you're going to take you Oh,
they didn't even talk about the history. What about the
quotes and the councils to say, I'm ready to deal
with those in any But by the way, again, for
the people who want a really detailed account of those things,
Ubi Petris has done multiple videos. We've been you know,
promoting and working with UBI for uh, you know, over
a year, and go over to ubi's channel and you
can find specific places all of those things that are dressed,
you know, all the stuff that lofton that a barrow
brings up, they're all addressed in detail in Ubie's videos
and so I'm happy to also address them, which you
know I will get to you know in the future
when we do a you know, discussion on Denny's book,
but whatever.
Speaker 6: Amen to that man. Thank you so much for all
the work you do. You put out so much content,
whether it be info war is your channel, rock fin
your website, hustling, hustling, and I'm trying to work in
a similar manner, so I definitely respect the hustle. Most
people don't realize how much effort it takes to create
content and do this type of work. Yeah, you get
to make your own schedule, but it's not easy. You
work literally way more than a nine to five. It's
all day long. And so thank you man for so
much of what you do, everything you do. Shout out
to Jamie, Thank you both for all your guys's work.
Thanks for coming on and I really appreciate everything. Is
anything you'd like to say before hopping off here?
Speaker 7: No, thank you, glad to be here. Congrats on nine
k and hopefully you know, if you if everybody will,
if you're not subscribed to me, coming on my channel too,
and I'll be you know, hopefully we can hit the
one hundred k pretty soon. I get that give you
little play button thing.
Speaker 6: There you go. Yeah, i'll have you, i'll have your
channel in the description. But I'm sure everybody knows your stuff.
I'm sure almost everybody in the live chat's probably subscribed
to both of us. So anyways, man, thank you so much.
Shout out to Mikhail, King of Kings, throws in a
super chat right at the end, with no comment. Thank
you very very much.