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Speaker 1: My name is Jim Cummings and welcome to tuned In.
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Speaker 3: Legendary Jim Cummings, how are you?
Speaker 1: Meanwhile?
Speaker 2: Back at the ranch?
Speaker 3: Hello, and today we are very lucky to be joined
Speaker 3: by the voice that say Disney. She's Ariel, she is
Speaker 3: the lovely Joy and Juddy, how are you doing?
Speaker 5: I do agree? Thank you so much for.
Speaker 2: Having me thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: The ours, honor is ours.
Speaker 5: Oh well, we've been trying to do this for like
Speaker 5: the last three years, so yes, it happened.
Speaker 1: Finally got it fixed. Well, you're a busy you're a
Speaker 1: busy goal. We like that.
Speaker 5: Well, and you're a busy guy. And I see you
Speaker 5: a lot while we're flying across the.
Speaker 1: Sky at Yes, it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And you know, I I had some pleasant
Speaker 1: surprises because I'm because I'm thinking, well, oh gosh, I
Speaker 1: know Jody, I know, yeah, all this and that, and
Speaker 1: but I'm finding all these little gems, like there was
Speaker 1: a ball you were in Balto? Yes, that Balto the
Speaker 1: second and third one. I guess, yes, yes, because I
Speaker 1: was in the first one.
Speaker 2: But I was the bad guy, so I got kicked off.
Speaker 5: Oh bad guy, you're gone. Yeah, yeah, Balto two and three.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like I I sort of do all
Speaker 5: the twos and threes. I do all the sequels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, part two, that's great, I've done those.
Speaker 5: You're like a lady were you were you lady in
Speaker 5: the original and like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: No, but your mom wasn't old enough. Yeah, that's nice. Well,
Speaker 1: they did that for a good while. They were coming
Speaker 1: out with the directive videos, and we didn't mind those
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 2: Because people bought those.
Speaker 5: We were thankful with those residual checks. It was it
Speaker 5: was good.
Speaker 1: What you said, unbelievable and one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: that And I remember watching it and thinking, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: who is that? Wait a minute, Oh my gosh, Oh
Speaker 1: that's Jody because you were in Barbie. Yes, that was
Speaker 1: come on so fun.
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I mean really just dropped from heaven
Speaker 5: for me. It was after Mermaid and kind of got
Speaker 5: a call from the agent that just said, hey, Toy Story,
Speaker 5: here we go, Toy Story two. Barbie wasn't in Toy
Speaker 5: Story one because Mattel at the time was like, no,
Speaker 5: we're not going to do a movie, We're not going
Speaker 5: to be in a Disney cartoon, pix Our cartoon. And
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, Toy Story took off and
Speaker 5: then Mittel was like, wait a minute, I.
Speaker 2: Think we hold on.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so then yeah, Barbie joined in. I did
Speaker 5: not audition for that, and so when I got to
Speaker 5: the studio, it was kind of like, what do you
Speaker 5: want me to do? And they're like, well, we're going
Speaker 5: to play with a box of Barbies. So that's what
Speaker 5: we did for the first hour, is we just pulled
Speaker 5: out this box of Barbie's and all of us just
Speaker 5: started talking to each other, holding them and playing with them.
Speaker 5: And then they were like, that's it, that's it, we're
Speaker 5: gonna we're gonna roll with that. And we just wanted
Speaker 5: writing lines and I'd throw something out and then the
Speaker 5: directors would and then we'd all just kind of like
Speaker 5: it was play. We just wow, it was really fun.
Speaker 2: So you just improved tons of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, especially all the time you'd.
Speaker 3: Already voiced Bobby before that though, right.
Speaker 5: Well, yes, that's very funny that you even know that,
Speaker 5: because it's kind of a you got to do a
Speaker 5: deep dive into the internet. But when the executives for Mattel,
Speaker 5: it was a female executive at the time, came to
Speaker 5: the studio while I was doing Toy Story two, and
Speaker 5: I walked into the room and I met her and
Speaker 5: she said, you don't understand this is this is a
Speaker 5: really important day. This is the very first time that
Speaker 5: we have ever allowed Barbie to have a voice. And
Speaker 5: I just kind of had to look at her very
Speaker 5: kindly and say, I'm so sorry. I don't mean to
Speaker 5: be disrespectful.
Speaker 6: At all, but I actually did the Clay Nation Barbie
Speaker 6: workout video a couple of years ago and gave Barbie
Speaker 6: her very very first voice.
Speaker 5: So the Metallic executive didn't know that. Wow the deep
Speaker 5: dive for that VHS. So, yeah, she's workout. It's a
Speaker 5: workout Barbie.
Speaker 1: So is this a take off from Jane Fonda's workout?
Speaker 1: And remember that I'm showing my age. You were five
Speaker 1: years old or three. But uh okay, silly.
Speaker 5: So silly. So yeah. So then the executive was kind
Speaker 5: of like, oh, you know, disheveled, I think at the moment,
Speaker 5: and all of the Pixar and our staff they didn't
Speaker 5: realize it either. They're like, so you've already voiced Barbie.
Speaker 5: You gave her her first voice. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: is that going to be a problem, And they're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: it'll be fine, it'll be fine. So after two, then
Speaker 5: when three came out, you know, Barbie became more than
Speaker 5: just tour guide Barbie real person and kind of the
Speaker 5: hero of the day with everything, So it was super fun.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, that is so cool. What an iconic character.
Speaker 3: It's amazing how the universe works that way, in the
Speaker 3: sense that you voiced Bobby so long before that, and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he randomly pitched you to do
Speaker 3: Bobby again.
Speaker 5: I know, and it was I truly. I mean I
Speaker 5: didn't asked. When I got to work that day, the
Speaker 5: first day of the session, I was like, why are
Speaker 5: you hiring me? I didn't even audition for this. Well,
Speaker 5: we we heard you as Ariel, and we knew that
Speaker 5: Barbie was in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, all right, you bet she is.
Speaker 1: Bobby's here now, partner.
Speaker 5: Oh man, it was. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: It was a lot of fun. And unfortunately Michael Keaton
Speaker 5: was really really sick. So we were supposed to report
Speaker 5: one day. I was going to ask you, Bob, and
Speaker 5: you know, I got to the lot and he was
Speaker 5: stepping out, I thought, on his break and I was
Speaker 5: coming in. So I was really excited because we hadn't
Speaker 5: done any of our stuff together yet. I've been by myself.
Speaker 5: I've oh, this will be so much fun. And so
Speaker 5: I walk in and he looks at me and he's
Speaker 5: got a mask on. And this is obviously before mask
Speaker 5: time and he's like, don't come near me. I have
Speaker 5: I'm very very sick. I'm so sorry. I'm going home
Speaker 5: and I'm going to bed. And I was like nice
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 5: He just walked out and I never saw him again
Speaker 5: until our day of press and we reintroduced myself. Hi,
Speaker 5: I'm Jody. I played Barbie High. And then we start acting,
Speaker 5: you know, doing all your press stuff in the studio.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, best friends and you've done this forever.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, Philly. That's when the real acting comes in.
Speaker 1: Remember that one time when we weren't there, me too,
Speaker 1: I'm not there again.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I had these I had on these heels,
Speaker 5: and I did not realize that that Michael was, you know,
Speaker 5: a little shorter than you than I was, which is
Speaker 5: not a problem, not a problem at all. But I
Speaker 5: think when we were in the studio and we were
Speaker 5: doing all this press and publicity, I noticed that he
Speaker 5: was on his tiptoes a little bit. So I kind
Speaker 5: of like took my shoes off and I kind of
Speaker 5: like tried to squat down a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, my wife does that because.
Speaker 5: Because I you know, I felt so bad. I felt
Speaker 5: so bad. Yeah, so I was like, I could see
Speaker 5: that he was a little sensitive about needing to get
Speaker 5: next to me and then putting his arm around me
Speaker 5: and making sure that he was kind of like pressing up,
Speaker 5: you know, to just get that stature going. I was
Speaker 5: very sensitive about that with him.
Speaker 1: I know that that's what screwed up your collaboration with Prince,
Speaker 1: is what I understand. It was the same similar situation.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yeah, very WHI It was fun.
Speaker 1: It was great, great, great, good good stuff, and you're
Speaker 1: out there on the convention circuit as well, and it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5: It has been. I kind of held off on those
Speaker 5: for about ten years because I homeschool We live in
Speaker 5: North Georgia. I'm up at the lake right now where
Speaker 5: I'm at and homeschooled both of the kids for seventeen
Speaker 5: years and now they are twenty three and twenty five.
Speaker 5: So my girlfriend, Paige O'Hara, who plays the voice of Bell,
Speaker 5: started doing them and she's like, come on, come on.
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I'm homeschooling and I'm working on the weekends.
Speaker 5: It's crazy. I just can't. She goes, well, I think
Speaker 5: it'll be a really good thing for you. To do
Speaker 5: when kids go off to college. This is going to
Speaker 5: be a great thing, and so I did. I did
Speaker 5: my first one in twenty seventeen, and I just did
Speaker 5: a handful that year and they were a lot of fun. Really, yeah,
Speaker 5: just gone to the weekend. It was very helpful for
Speaker 5: sure financially during college years, which was wonderful. And then
Speaker 5: after COVID is when it got really crazy. So like
Speaker 5: last sure it was forty trips I think last year,
Speaker 5: and the year before that was like thirty five.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it was blood really really crazy, but lots
Speaker 5: and lots of fun, you know, just lovely, lovely, lovely fans,
Speaker 5: and I'm very thankful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of my favorite things is when
Speaker 1: we were at D twenty three a while back and
Speaker 1: I just lucked out and I was on there were
Speaker 1: surrounded by princesses and royalty. I was like the cheeseburger
Speaker 1: in Paradise, and I had just enough connection to each
Speaker 1: of you to sneak into all the pictures. So it's
Speaker 1: like all these fabulous, wonderful actresses and me, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, oh it was fun.
Speaker 5: We did that one convention with you and I think
Speaker 5: we were down in Florida and it was during the strike.
Speaker 5: It was you with all five or six of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, we had so much fun.
Speaker 5: That's the one all the girls and then Jim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like that was the original cheeseburger in Paradise.
Speaker 1: I'm telling it was fun.
Speaker 2: That was good stuff.
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Speaker 5: Now, how long When did you start with the company, Jim?
Speaker 5: I feel like we were around the same time.
Speaker 1: Well, my very first job was for Dumbo's Circus, which
Speaker 1: was Disney Channel, and that was before streaming and everything.
Speaker 1: In fact, cable was was brand new. So yeah, and
Speaker 1: I and I played basically well, I was lying all
Speaker 1: the lion because they couldn't have, you know, a life
Speaker 1: size mouse. It was Timothy from Dumbo. That's who I was,
Speaker 1: you know, the little bit.
Speaker 7: Of guy and that was Stumbo's pal.
Speaker 5: And so what year what year was that? When you
Speaker 5: what's your higher date? I forgot.
Speaker 1: I want to say eighty four, eighty four and a half, yeah.
Speaker 5: Because I think my higher date was eighty six, and
Speaker 5: I think my first studio date was eighty seven. I
Speaker 5: feel like, yeah, yeah, nice fun Wow.
Speaker 1: I know for a long time. Yes, yes, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'd rather, you know, have a ton of birthdays than
Speaker 1: one funeral. So see, still going, still.
Speaker 5: Going strong, and we're still faithful that we have the jobs,
Speaker 5: and you.
Speaker 1: Know, oh absolutely. And I was looking at your IMDb
Speaker 1: and there are things that I just I did not
Speaker 1: I did not know, and.
Speaker 5: You I don't know my own career. I don't know
Speaker 5: him until somebody says to look at IMDb and they'll
Speaker 5: be like, like, I have no recollection, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Well, I bet you remember getting a Tony.
Speaker 5: Well I didn't get a Tony. I got nominated. And
Speaker 5: I do remember that night.
Speaker 1: The Internet says, received that's okay. You don't want to, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to, says I want it says I
Speaker 1: obliterated the competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: That was me.
Speaker 5: I remember that. Yes, yeah, I want an Oscar, you know,
Speaker 5: be like she's in an Oscar winning movie. I heard
Speaker 5: you won an Oscar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my film did.
Speaker 5: But hey, I'm going to take it. I'm part of it.
Speaker 2: Right, But it was Oscar the Grouch. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: See the wrong Oscar, the wrong one. The Helen Has
Speaker 1: Award too, right was in there?
Speaker 5: Yes, no, I think did I win that or did
Speaker 5: I get Yes.
Speaker 2: You did.
Speaker 1: I don't think I wonk nutche nuts. But yeah she won. Everybody.
Speaker 5: We could just tell you whatever we want and you
Speaker 5: have to believe it.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: It was yeah, crazy for you. It was an incredible experience.
Speaker 5: Incredible And to do that show eight times a week
Speaker 5: with the grocery music and dancing my little tushy off
Speaker 5: every day, I loved it. I had so much fun.
Speaker 5: It was a wonderful, wonderful season. So but after, you know,
Speaker 5: after that show, my husband and I did another Broadway
Speaker 5: tour in Europe together and my one and only. But
Speaker 5: then it was time to get to LA and do
Speaker 5: full time with the studio and start a family. And
Speaker 5: you know, the seasons were perfect. Living in New York
Speaker 5: for twenty six years was perfect. Moving to la having
Speaker 5: the kids there, living there for eight years, five minutes
Speaker 5: from the studio was heaven. But then, you know, once
Speaker 5: we were able to work and record from anywhere, and
Speaker 5: that kind of all changed in two thousand and three,
Speaker 5: four and five, and we could leave the studio and
Speaker 5: keep our jobs. We decided to move up here to
Speaker 5: North Georgia, to Lake Lanier, the base of the Blue
Speaker 5: Ridge Mountains, and kind of do a small town feel
Speaker 5: for our kids.
Speaker 1: And that's beautiful.
Speaker 5: Got an airport, you know, an hour away. We've got
Speaker 5: a studio here, but we have a sister's studio for
Speaker 5: Disney is just about I don't know, fifty minutes away
Speaker 5: that i've been at for nineteen years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I've got my same end engineer I've been with
Speaker 5: for nineteen years and he's great.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great.
Speaker 5: So it's been it's been really it's been really great.
Speaker 5: It's been great to raise the kids here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Mars ain't the place to raise the kids,
Speaker 1: so you moved there instead.
Speaker 2: That's wonderful. Good for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, fun and I didn't know that
Speaker 1: you had. I'm reading my notes here in a year,
Speaker 1: so fascinating notes about her notes. I do, I do,
Speaker 1: and let's see we've got smile and welcome to the club.
Speaker 1: And I think we covered Helen Hayes Award, which is
Speaker 1: bloody awesome.
Speaker 5: You didn't win, Yes, you did have one.
Speaker 1: Well, I say you won, and uh, what A're gonna do?
Speaker 2: Call us up? No, they can't do it.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know you had anything with Batman beyond
Speaker 1: who were you?
Speaker 5: I know, I know it's a good one. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: was fun. It was fun. I got to be I
Speaker 5: don't know who was I aqua girl something like that.
Speaker 5: She kind of had a blue face and white hair.
Speaker 5: But again, it's like during those times when you're jumping
Speaker 5: in on this and jumping in on that, I wouldn't remember.
Speaker 5: But then people come to you at conventions, are they, oh,
Speaker 5: could you please sign this?
Speaker 1: Someway?
Speaker 5: Am I in that? I mean, are you sure they know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know they know, they know.
Speaker 5: They don't it's bad. But again too, that's like that's
Speaker 5: during the time of having two babies at home and
Speaker 5: nursing and starting to homeschool that my brain was just
Speaker 5: I don't really remember a lot of those years as
Speaker 5: far as work goes, I remember everything with the kids,
Speaker 5: but I would just go down to Disney Character Voices
Speaker 5: and that's when you know Brian Monroe who runs the ship. Now,
Speaker 5: Brian was answering phones and he was babysitting my kids
Speaker 5: for me while I was in the studio.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great.
Speaker 5: So they had all the toys set up. So he's like,
Speaker 5: I got a toy set up. I've got them. You
Speaker 5: run in, you run up. So he had both of
Speaker 5: my little ones. He was answering phones and entertaining. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and now he's the big cheese for Disney character voices.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: You have a lot of laughs thinking about those days.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean those are all like golden years for me.
Speaker 1: I just you know, watching Disney in their own way,
Speaker 1: not that we're ever worried about them, but taking off
Speaker 1: in different directions. And you know, like with the park
Speaker 1: and I get to do this crazy Hondo guy for
Speaker 1: the park, and there's all these opportunities that are there
Speaker 1: now that we're never there before, not the least of
Speaker 1: which are these conventions. Yes, you know, and I love
Speaker 1: going there and I'm sure you get the tear jerkers that.
Speaker 2: The ones that just come up and I.
Speaker 7: Can't believe it talking Ariel.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you keep it a box of Kleenex
Speaker 5: right next to me. I have a lot of criers.
Speaker 5: Do you have a lot of criers? I'm sure, just
Speaker 5: a lot in their thirties and forties and then two
Speaker 5: or three generations. Now sometimes we'll have four generations of
Speaker 5: families that have grown up and you know, love area,
Speaker 5: which is just so sweet. But you know, I'm just
Speaker 5: so thankful.
Speaker 1: I'm some people.
Speaker 5: I know you are too. We've talked about this before,
Speaker 5: but you know, it's not a job. It's just it's
Speaker 5: a big part of our life. For people that meet
Speaker 5: you that you are a part excuse my pun, part
Speaker 5: of their world, but you really are part of their
Speaker 5: story and the impact that these characters make on them
Speaker 5: is just mind blowing.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 5: I know you have these same types of things. But
Speaker 5: I have a huge following in the lgbtqia plus community
Speaker 5: where people find their voice and find the identity. So
Speaker 5: I have so so many wonderful fans in that particular community.
Speaker 5: But also I have a huge community on the spectrum,
Speaker 5: huge community. Yeah, God bless and any type of able,
Speaker 5: any challenges, yes, So you know, we have our quadriplegiates,
Speaker 5: paraplegics are wheelchair friends and with the autistic community. It
Speaker 5: blows my mind that they can relate to Ariel who
Speaker 5: gave up her voice, but they have learned how to
Speaker 5: speak by watching our film and they know every word
Speaker 5: more than I do.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've had people say that.
Speaker 5: So it's just so heart warming that it's it's such
Speaker 5: a huge responsibility. And so when people say to me like, oh,
Speaker 5: aren't you tired of doing Aeriel and singing this song
Speaker 5: every week? And aren't you tired of talking to people
Speaker 5: about the film, I'm like no, because you have no
Speaker 5: clue as to what these characters mean to people. And
Speaker 5: the imagery, yeah, is huge, Like they find their identity,
Speaker 5: like their value, and they find their voice. And those
Speaker 5: are the people and the stories that I that we
Speaker 5: all get to hear every weekend that really shake your
Speaker 5: world and just you feel so thankful and so grateful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it fills me with gratitude, which is a necessary
Speaker 1: component for happiness. Yes, you know, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: And when you when you hear these stories from the
Speaker 1: people that you know, latch Key kids who had to
Speaker 1: come home and lock the door and run in, and
Speaker 1: they'll turn on dark winged Duck or Chippendale Risky Rangers
Speaker 1: for that, and they'll say, well, you kind of raised me.
Speaker 1: You kind of you were a protective aura around me
Speaker 1: because I could go to the hundred Acre Wood or
Speaker 1: Saint Gernard right and escape the what was outside my door. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and uh, and it's just it's an honor. It's it
Speaker 1: is really an honor.
Speaker 5: That's absolutely right. It's it's an honor. It's a blessing,
Speaker 5: it's a gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a privilege.
Speaker 5: And you know, I know you're the same way I am.
Speaker 5: That we we don't ever take it for granted, you know,
Speaker 5: we really don't. It matters, you know, it matters to us.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes it does. And their feelings mean everything, you know, right,
Speaker 1: you see those little faces light up.
Speaker 2: Yes, I just love it.
Speaker 4: I have a question for you, Jody, sure, Do you
Speaker 4: have a preference between acting on stage and voice acting?
Speaker 5: No? I really don't. You know, it's sort of like
Speaker 5: your children, Like you love all your children equally. I
Speaker 5: love every aspect of what I get to do. I
Speaker 5: love to be in the studio. I love to do
Speaker 5: concerts with symphonies. I love to do theater pieces. And
Speaker 5: now that my kids have grown and left home and
Speaker 5: have their own careers, I put my foot back in
Speaker 5: the water for musical theater about a year and a
Speaker 5: half ago and just ignited that eight year old little
Speaker 5: girl inside of me about what my first love was,
Speaker 5: which is to be on stage to do these characters.
Speaker 5: So I was able to do Gypsy with my daughter
Speaker 5: playing my daughter. Oh that was, oh my god, incredible.
Speaker 2: I think it was crazy.
Speaker 5: I think we're the first mother real mother daughter that
Speaker 5: had played that, have played Rose and Louise. I don't
Speaker 5: think there's another one that's ever done that. That was magical.
Speaker 5: We had such an amazing time. Then this year in
Speaker 5: Orlando at the gorgeous Doctor Phillips Center at Steinman's Hall,
Speaker 5: which is like the best sound system in the world,
Speaker 5: best place to sing in the world. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 5: I did Hello Dolly, So I did Dolly in that.
Speaker 1: Really that was magical.
Speaker 5: And then it's January and February my daughter and I
Speaker 5: are going to touch on to Gypsy again and play
Speaker 5: mother daughter again in New York. So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 5: It'll be fun, It'll be fun. To. I'm just going
Speaker 5: to take advantage of these opportunities because I don't know
Speaker 5: if I'll ever have again, and as long as I'm
Speaker 5: healthy and I'm strong and i can still do what
Speaker 5: I need to do up on stage, that that really
Speaker 5: is a lovely, lovely experience to pull out of the
Speaker 5: hat of my career that I hadn't done in over
Speaker 5: twenty years, I think, to answer your question, they're all
Speaker 5: equally enjoyable, fulfilling and magical, and I don't have a favorite.
Speaker 5: Whatever I'm doing at the time is my favorite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And naturally people ask me that.
Speaker 5: It is like when I'm in the studio and I'm
Speaker 5: in it and I'm all in. I'm having the time
Speaker 5: of my life, you know, and then I leave and
Speaker 5: then like, I'm working on music for a concert in
Speaker 5: North Carolina and I can't wait. I can't wait to
Speaker 5: put on a gown and sing gorgeous music. And that's
Speaker 5: really different because you don't have a script and I
Speaker 5: just get to work with the audience and have a
Speaker 5: lot of wow beating off of them, which is very
Speaker 5: different than going to do gypsy or another musical.
Speaker 1: It's like an improv sort of no it's just when
Speaker 1: I do symphony concerts, I don't have a script and
Speaker 1: I just get to do whatever I want.
Speaker 5: So I have a song list, but talking in between
Speaker 5: with the audience is something I really enjoy, you know,
Speaker 5: just kind of filling them in, doing a little story,
Speaker 5: telling them about the song and what it means and
Speaker 5: my relationship to the particular song. But then again, you
Speaker 5: feed off of the audience live and I love that.
Speaker 5: I love that part.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what first. I think, that's what draws
Speaker 1: everybody to this business and as children or whenever you started,
Speaker 1: because I was in place as a little kid, and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, well this is if I could do
Speaker 1: this well enough that somebody will pay me, Okay, I'm in.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to go to law school.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be an attorney up till like second grade,
Speaker 1: which is really weird.
Speaker 5: But I went to college for law. That's what I
Speaker 5: that's what I was studying, was pre law. Wo and
Speaker 5: I had done an audition, this random audition my freshman
Speaker 5: Christmas break, and the girl broke her ankle and I
Speaker 5: flew out to LA and did a show and that
Speaker 5: was that Wow. Yeah, you know, I was going to
Speaker 5: be a lawyer. Was that was sort of my love.
Speaker 5: But you know, a different path opened up. And I
Speaker 5: loved singing when I was little, and loved singing at church.
Speaker 5: That was so much fun. My sister and I sang
Speaker 5: together at church nine and just always had a love
Speaker 5: for that and theater. But it wasn't really until I
Speaker 5: got into college. I was like, oh wow, I think
Speaker 5: I'm gonna check this out, see what this is all about.
Speaker 1: So true? Well, I've always said, you know, my niece's nephews, whoever,
Speaker 1: if you make a list of things that you love
Speaker 1: doing so much, you do them for free all day,
Speaker 1: then do them so well that somebody.
Speaker 2: Will pay you. That's it.
Speaker 1: You're there. That's that's as close as it gets to
Speaker 1: you know, career and happiness and you know, edification in
Speaker 1: their universe saying okay, you could do that. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the way it felt like to me.
Speaker 5: It's that sweet spot between your passion, your natural giftedness
Speaker 5: and your talents and your gifts that you're born with
Speaker 5: and then being able to pay your bills.
Speaker 1: That's always a good circle.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, because when I do master classes with college,
Speaker 5: high school and college kids. And that's the thing we
Speaker 5: kind of talk about. I said, you know, I think
Speaker 5: that you have to have a natural gift set. You
Speaker 5: have to have something inside of you naturally. It's very
Speaker 5: hard to learn how to sing. You can improve in singing,
Speaker 5: and you can strengthen your singing, but if somebody is
Speaker 5: tone deaf and they say to me, I want to
Speaker 5: be a singer, it's really difficult. It's really really difficult.
Speaker 4: So what's your response in that situation?
Speaker 5: What I say to them is that each person has
Speaker 5: a skill set, a natural giftedness towards something some things,
Speaker 5: it can be many things, but unearthing and figuring out
Speaker 5: what that is and then honing that craft and really
Speaker 5: strengthening that craft, that's the gift. But what happens is
Speaker 5: we're in such a compare and compete society thanks to
Speaker 5: social media. Social media is great in so many amazing ways,
Speaker 5: and then in some other ways it's not so great.
Speaker 5: But the compare and compete is so hard because we
Speaker 5: live what I call in an American idol world where
Speaker 5: you get your fifteen minutes of fame and everybody's a star,
Speaker 5: and everybody wants to be a star, but not everybody
Speaker 5: is naturally gifted to be able to sing or to act,
Speaker 5: or I'm not naturally gifted to be a CPA or
Speaker 5: a math teacher. But we want what other people are.
Speaker 5: It's like, we want that. So when kids say to me,
Speaker 5: but I want to be a star, I want to
Speaker 5: be a singer, I want to be on Broadway, And
Speaker 5: I'll say, so, tell me what your natural gift set is. Well,
Speaker 5: they'll be like, well, I can't really sing, I'm not
Speaker 5: really a good actor, and my dancing stinks.
Speaker 1: Oh perfect.
Speaker 5: I kind of think, well, okay, you're a producer, triple
Speaker 5: threat in the other direction, so let's take a look
Speaker 5: at that. But why do you want that? That's my
Speaker 5: question is why do you want something that you're not
Speaker 5: naturally going in that direction? And it's because so and
Speaker 5: so has it that that person is that and that one.
Speaker 5: I'm like, there's where we have a problem because we
Speaker 5: want what somebody else has, And then we forget about
Speaker 5: who we are and figure out an unearth and really
Speaker 5: like excavate all these incredible gifts that you have inside
Speaker 5: of you. You know, you get to be your best
Speaker 5: version of you me there's already one of me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, advice, your best.
Speaker 5: Version of who you are. And that's challenging for kids,
Speaker 5: especially that they really want these dreams. And you want
Speaker 5: every kid to reach for their dreams and their goals
Speaker 5: and their wishes. Everybody. We want that, we want everybody
Speaker 5: to go for it. But I also think you have
Speaker 5: to have a natural, full skill set. You gotta have something.
Speaker 5: You got to have something inside of you to build on.
Speaker 5: So I was born with my voice. I came out
Speaker 5: of the roomb with my voice. I can strengthen it,
Speaker 5: improve it, expand it.
Speaker 1: And did you just walk around the house singing, singing
Speaker 1: and everything?
Speaker 5: And but I but I was born with my voice.
Speaker 5: It came in my package.
Speaker 2: You know, it just came with me literally.
Speaker 5: Just like other people who are natural artists or sculptors,
Speaker 5: or people that are brilliant with again with numbers or
Speaker 5: science or investigative research, all these things that they're naturally
Speaker 5: gifted in. It's like, go on that stick, on that
Speaker 5: journey and see where.
Speaker 4: That's Can I play Devil's Advocate here?
Speaker 5: Sure?
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Speaker 4: Do it now, because there's a lot of famous and
Speaker 4: you know, people in the media that don't necessarily have
Speaker 4: the most amazing skill set. You know, it's not like
Speaker 4: they were the ultimate most talented person for that job.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of other factors that comes
Speaker 4: into becoming a star or you know, even becoming recognized.
Speaker 4: So maybe somebody who's not born with that package that
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean they can't be a star. So how
Speaker 4: do you how do you? You know, right, bounce, I.
Speaker 5: Totally hear what you say. For me, my question is
Speaker 5: why do you want to be a star? See? I
Speaker 5: never wanted to be a star. I was very clear
Speaker 5: when I was eight years old. I remember telling my mother,
Speaker 5: I want to be an actress. I want to sing,
Speaker 5: dance and act. I want to be a working actress.
Speaker 5: I don't want to be famous, I don't want to
Speaker 5: be rich, and I don't need to be a star.
Speaker 5: I wanted to do what I wanted to do because
Speaker 5: I loved doing it, and it was like passion, like
Speaker 5: I had to express myself this way or I was
Speaker 5: going to bust. That's the only way I could describe it.
Speaker 2: No, I agree.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's the difference when somebody says it to me,
Speaker 5: and they say it often. I'm doing a masterclass in
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks, and I'm sure one of them
Speaker 5: is going to say this to me. I want to
Speaker 5: be famous and I want to be a star. And
Speaker 5: my question to you is why why.
Speaker 1: That's a great point.
Speaker 5: You need the validation, you want the applause, you want
Speaker 5: to feel better about yourself. Well, let me tell you
Speaker 5: something that stardom, it doesn't last. And you can talk
Speaker 5: to stars, stars, most of them are kind.
Speaker 1: Of miss Yeah. Agree.
Speaker 5: I think they're kind of unhappy. I think they're kind
Speaker 5: of miserable. I really do. I'm not going to say everybody,
Speaker 5: but I'm going to say I think there's a pretty
Speaker 5: good percentage of celebrity stars if you ask them, I
Speaker 5: don't think they're happy for me. It's kind of like
Speaker 5: trying to encourage a child, and I say child, they're
Speaker 5: under twenty two. They're all children's right, they're stud that
Speaker 5: frontal lobe for you. Boys didn't even close up until
Speaker 5: you're twenty five, So they're all kids to me. But
Speaker 5: that's the deeper issue that I want to look at.
Speaker 5: You know, I want you to ask yourself, why do
Speaker 5: you want to be a famous and be a star?
Speaker 5: Does that mean money in your pocket? Does it mean
Speaker 5: people are going to like you, You're going to get
Speaker 5: a date? What does that mean? So we have we
Speaker 5: kind of go a little bit deeper than just a
Speaker 5: regular masterclass. Let's talk about voice, because you kind of
Speaker 5: just want to encourage some body to get down a
Speaker 5: path that brings fulfillment and purpose and enjoy and wanting
Speaker 5: to share your gifts with others, whatever those gifts may be.
Speaker 1: You know, well, so I don't know, this.
Speaker 5: Is my thoughts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's perfect. That's good advice. And plus, if
Speaker 1: you're you know, if you do something that you enjoy,
Speaker 1: tho's chances are that somebody else will. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: maybe you could sell that, you know, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what we're doing.
Speaker 2: You know, no God would.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we still we still, we still have our
Speaker 5: jobs and we're so thankful.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I wanted to ask you, Jody, I
Speaker 3: saw a video on YouTube this week. Have you ever
Speaker 3: seen the video of how it actually directing you in
Speaker 3: the studio for part of your World? Yeah, isn't one
Speaker 3: of the most amazing videos ever.
Speaker 5: It is. You know. I had not one, but two
Speaker 5: opportunities to work with him. He was my director for Smile,
Speaker 5: my first leading role on Broadway, not my first Broadway show,
Speaker 5: but my first starring role on Broadway. And he was
Speaker 5: my director and my lyricist, and he was just a genius.
Speaker 5: And then I booked Mermaid. When our show closed after
Speaker 5: six weeks, we got killed by Frank Rich of the
Speaker 5: New York Times, and it was Martin Hamlished, and of
Speaker 5: course he had just done a chorus line. And our
Speaker 5: show was supposed to run forever. I mean, we were
Speaker 5: supposed to be in this show forever. And it was
Speaker 5: six weeks and he Howard was already doing Mermaid with
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Katzenberg, Michael Eisner, and Peter Schneider. He was already
Speaker 5: working with Ron and John and he felt sorry for us,
Speaker 5: so he invited a handful of us girls to audition
Speaker 5: for Ariel. And as I say on the concert stage,
Speaker 5: it gave me something to do on the way to
Speaker 5: the unemployment office, which it did. So I just went
Speaker 5: to this audition to have something to do because we
Speaker 5: were so depressed. So never in a million years would
Speaker 5: I get it. I've never been behind a mic, I'd
Speaker 5: never done animation, I'd never done voiceover. I didn't know
Speaker 5: what I was doing. And like a year later, I
Speaker 5: get a call and I got it, and I couldn't
Speaker 5: believe it. I'm sorry, there's like a fly in here.
Speaker 5: And but the saving grace for me was that Howard
Speaker 5: was going to be there. So when I walked in
Speaker 5: the first day, I just went straight to him. I said, Howard,
Speaker 5: I don't know why I got this job. I don't
Speaker 5: know how I got this job. And I am not qualified.
Speaker 5: I don't know why no doing it. And He's like, Jodie,
Speaker 5: I've got.
Speaker 1: You, deep breath, You're going to be fine.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not. I am freaking out all of these
Speaker 5: people in the room. And of course we didn't know
Speaker 5: that well. We knew that the animators had moved off
Speaker 5: the lot at that time on Flower Street and Glendale
Speaker 5: and they were in their little temporary housing. I mean,
Speaker 5: things were rough. Things were real rough and all of
Speaker 5: the executives were our sessions. It was like, what is happening?
Speaker 5: This is like intense. But I just told Howard I
Speaker 5: don't know what I'm doing. He's like, I've got you.
Speaker 5: I've got you. So that video is everything. Because he
Speaker 5: stood next to me for two and a half weeks
Speaker 5: in every session in the studio booth with me silent
Speaker 5: off the mic. I never knew. They never picked up
Speaker 5: his breathing nothing. I never had to do a pass
Speaker 5: again because he was standing right here, you know. But
Speaker 5: to have him, I mean, he fed me every line.
Speaker 5: And Ron and John are directors. They let Howard take me.
Speaker 5: Ron and John were like, she's yours. You bet.
Speaker 2: They're the greatest guys director director.
Speaker 5: And they had no ego about it whatsoever. They'd come
Speaker 5: on the mic and say a few things and then
Speaker 5: Howard would interpret it, and Howard would give me the
Speaker 5: note and then I did it. So I was just
Speaker 5: I just did everything that he told me to do.
Speaker 5: So I tell people anything that you love about Ariel,
Speaker 5: and you love about the song, and you love about
Speaker 5: the character, you love Howard because that's him. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's Ariel. I just like imitated him and then just
Speaker 5: sort of like jumped on the back of what he
Speaker 5: had already created.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 5: So you know, the legacy for me, like when people say,
Speaker 5: aren't you tired of singing part of your world every week?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, are you kidding? Every time I sing
Speaker 5: that song, I pay tribute to Howard and I remind
Speaker 5: you all in the audience that Howard's legacy matters and
Speaker 5: it's important and we need to remember. This man pretty
Speaker 5: much saved the studio. He brought the Broadway musical and
Speaker 5: he insisted on bringing Alan Menkin. That was the deal.
Speaker 5: That was a deal breaker. It's like Alan comes, or
Speaker 5: this isn't happening. So he brings his partner with him,
Speaker 5: you know, and they change animation and we have our
Speaker 5: renaissance on our second Golden Agent of animation, and the
Speaker 5: all the animators came back to the lot. I mean,
Speaker 5: it was just crazy times.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 3: This law of intense intensity is better than enormous. When
Speaker 3: he was directing you, I love that.
Speaker 5: One because I just kept singing like I was filling
Speaker 5: a Broadway theater and he'd say, you are not singing
Speaker 5: on the stage. At the lun Fontaine. We are not
Speaker 5: this is it. You're singing right here. This is as
Speaker 5: far as you're gonna see. Now, you're gonna speak. You're
Speaker 5: gonna speak. I'm gonna speak a song. He's like, Yeah,
Speaker 5: you're gonna whisper. You're gonna whisper. We're gonna try a whisper. Now,
Speaker 5: I'm like, why do which song?
Speaker 2: Which part of your world part?
Speaker 5: I speak it, I whisper it. I sing some notes
Speaker 5: I don't really Some notes are flat, some notes are great.
Speaker 5: But it was it was a crazy chaos that was
Speaker 5: perfect for what they wanted for Areal.
Speaker 1: That's that's interesting.
Speaker 5: It was. It was really fair. It was a fascinating process.
Speaker 5: It was very very very very hard for me to
Speaker 5: transition from a live stage Broadway musical to a microphone.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. And I'm Italian. So it was a
Speaker 5: lot of this yeah, and then it was a lot
Speaker 5: of Jody, we gotta do that again, honey, put your
Speaker 5: hands down. You can't hit the microphone. Oh did I
Speaker 5: hit the microphone. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, back away up, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're gonna have to tire ourselves.
Speaker 1: If you don't, I have a story like that with
Speaker 1: Carol Channing. She did a Chipadale Rescue Rangers and she
Speaker 1: was I was Monterey Jack and she was my girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Carol Channing. And she comes to the studio wearing just
Speaker 1: practically a drum set on each wrist, you know, like
Speaker 1: a trap. Said there were cymbals and ratchets and just
Speaker 1: you know, all these beads and all the and Warren
Speaker 1: says to Worth, the guy back at B and B
Speaker 1: if you remember that, he.
Speaker 2: Said, I'm sorry, he's Channing.
Speaker 1: You can't move, No, sweetie, I have to move. This
Speaker 1: is how I work.
Speaker 7: I just I have to be all over the place.
Speaker 1: And so she says, but it's well, your your blouse
Speaker 1: is very starched, and it's very you know, and he
Speaker 1: finally solved the wrist thing. She goes, no problem, and
Speaker 1: she's an up and takes off her blouse and there
Speaker 1: she stands with about five pounds of cotton under each
Speaker 1: strap and she's going day, She's marvelous, she's great. She
Speaker 1: she's p pure freedom. And I remember looking up more
Speaker 1: in the engineer because he brought his little video camera
Speaker 1: into tail takes a bit and he just looks at it,
Speaker 1: looks at her and I better not do that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: better not do that.
Speaker 5: Well, the guys had a they had like a little
Speaker 5: blackmail on me. They had I don't think you can
Speaker 5: say that word. I'm sorry, that's not appropriate, but they
Speaker 5: had they had something on me. And towards the end
Speaker 5: of the of the sessions, I was I don't know,
Speaker 5: I was doing something and they were like, just remember,
Speaker 5: we have a burp track on you, Jody, we have
Speaker 5: a burp track. And I'm like, you have a what?
Speaker 5: They had been taping recording all of my burps. I
Speaker 5: had a lot of birth problems, A lot.
Speaker 1: Of problems everybody.
Speaker 5: I take too much Aaron when I was singing, and
Speaker 5: then I wouldn't expel it correctly and then this huge
Speaker 5: burth would come out what I thought was in between
Speaker 5: each take needs us to say. They kept it running,
Speaker 5: So that's there.
Speaker 3: Somewhere at Disney was a special fare on the day
Speaker 3: a day. I'm sure.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, oh, yeah, I don't know where that is,
Speaker 5: but it's somewhere. I'm sure. I'm sure how Howard Green
Speaker 5: could find it?
Speaker 1: He can, That's true, that's true. He would know, wouldn'ty
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's funny. Oh my gosh, well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's you know I I did. I was task
Speaker 1: on the task Mania show, and he always had to burp,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 2: They would.
Speaker 1: We had a signal because I can't really do a
Speaker 1: monstrous burp on command.
Speaker 2: Just can't do that.
Speaker 1: So we had a signal and and I was sitting
Speaker 1: there and I was sipping my coke. DrAk. Okay, a
Speaker 1: little more bubble, a little more bubble. Oh here comes
Speaker 1: to good. But and I go like this, and everybody
Speaker 1: shuts up, and only my MIC's on it, you know,
Speaker 1: just some thunderous you know.
Speaker 2: And I go, okay, okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 5: Those are good ones, and you want those because those
Speaker 5: are the real ones, you know. Yeah, Because then when
Speaker 5: they say, okay, now we're gonna do I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: I can't do it like that.
Speaker 2: Murice LaMarsh.
Speaker 1: He's got a fake purp that he can do on command,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like an earthquake.
Speaker 5: Awesome. I'm jealous.
Speaker 1: He shows up on this sphincter scale, I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's not a pretty sight. You don't
Speaker 1: want to look at him while he's doing it, but
Speaker 1: it's pretty damn funny. Oh, Man Amen, And you know
Speaker 1: I was reading too that you did. We talk about
Speaker 1: Batman Beyond and Lady in the Tramp.
Speaker 5: Yes, Lady the Tramp was super. That was funny because
Speaker 5: Rick Dempsey at the time, he was in charge of
Speaker 5: Disney character voices. So when that came out, When when
Speaker 5: this audition came out, my agent had had called and said,
Speaker 5: you know, could could Jody audition for Lady And they're like, oh, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: Jody's Aeriel and Jody's going to be Ariel and that's great.
Speaker 5: And my agent was like, well, I think she can
Speaker 5: do other stuff.
Speaker 1: It's OK.
Speaker 5: And they're like and they're like, no, no, no. So
Speaker 5: I went into the studio without anybody knowing and just
Speaker 5: me and my engineer and my agent she knew, and
Speaker 5: I laid down a Lady sound alike to Barbara Lutty,
Speaker 5: like I don't know, maybe a dozen lines and some
Speaker 5: singing or something. Maybe I did something else. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think I did some singing as well. And so my
Speaker 5: agent sent that anonymously without a name attack and she
Speaker 5: was very sneaky about it and just said, you know,
Speaker 5: I've got this client kind of new and just take
Speaker 5: a listen and of course they were like, oh, well
Speaker 5: that's like an exact match, So yeah, that that sounds good.
Speaker 5: Let's let's let's let's bring her in. And then she
Speaker 5: told them and they were like, oh, you got us,
Speaker 5: you got it. We laugh, we laughed. So yeah, it
Speaker 5: was kind of like against what they had wanted, but
Speaker 5: then then it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun, but it was what
Speaker 1: you wanted, so that's good.
Speaker 5: Well, I just said, you know, I just want to
Speaker 5: throw it out there and just put me in the pot,
Speaker 5: you know, mix it up and see what happens. I mean,
Speaker 5: if it's the right match, then that's great. If it's not,
Speaker 5: then no big deal. But let me just throw it up.
Speaker 5: But they were like, no, no, no, no, that's that's Ariel.
Speaker 5: She's Ariel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was really fun.
Speaker 5: That was fun to do something that was different, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I know I've lost maybe one or two
Speaker 1: jobs because no, he's a Disney guy. Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: there are worse things to be right, right, right, I'll
Speaker 1: take that every time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's a flaw. Okay, yes, yes, if that's
Speaker 5: a negative, I'll take it. I can limit that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Amen, Hey, Jody, you were touching on earlier how little
Speaker 3: moment essentially saved Disney the animation side of things. And
Speaker 3: you've talked about how you were very relaxed during it
Speaker 3: because you know, you said the suits were watching, but
Speaker 3: you said you didn't realize how much pressure was put
Speaker 3: on the film. Do you think do you think they
Speaker 3: deliberately held that information from you so they could get
Speaker 3: the aerial that they wanted because or do you think
Speaker 3: you still would have been able to deliver what they
Speaker 3: wanted had you known that pressure was there.
Speaker 5: That's interesting, you know what, I don't really know the
Speaker 5: answer to that. I think they kept everything pretty hush
Speaker 5: hush the cast, but again, we were going to be
Speaker 5: the way that kind of Walt had designed it, which
Speaker 5: was we would remain anonymous. No one was going to
Speaker 5: know who we were. When the vhs would come out.
Speaker 5: You could freeze the frame, but it's just rolling the credits.
Speaker 5: So we were told that upfront. So both Sam and
Speaker 5: I Sam Wright, who played Sebastian, we were both doing
Speaker 5: a Broadway show while we were recording. He was afraid
Speaker 5: to fly, so he had to train back and forth,
Speaker 5: but I would fly back and forth. So we never
Speaker 5: told anybody that we were doing it and everything was
Speaker 5: just going to be sort of quiet and hidden and
Speaker 5: no one would know, and that's fine, and you just
Speaker 5: go back and do your Broadway show. So I never
Speaker 5: talked about it or anything. And I think that was
Speaker 5: kind of the feeling when we were there, when I
Speaker 5: looked around and saw all these people. I didn't know
Speaker 5: what that meant because I'd never done it before. So
Speaker 5: no one really said anything to me about out this
Speaker 5: kind of pressure. I did not really know anything about that.
Speaker 5: I did think it was interesting that my animators were
Speaker 5: not on the lot, because I knew they used to
Speaker 5: be and they were here now, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 5: I kind of knew about those other films that were
Speaker 5: right in front of ours that things were a little
Speaker 5: bit challenging. But I had no idea that everything was
Speaker 5: writing on this film. So they did a nice job
Speaker 5: of not expressing that to us, which I think is
Speaker 5: probably was the best way to handle it, especially somebody
Speaker 5: like me, who was so seriously right. I didn't need
Speaker 5: anything more than I got to try to do this
Speaker 5: job that I don't feel qualified for. So I think,
Speaker 5: you know, if anybody would have said something, I think
Speaker 5: Howard would have kind of stepped in to say, we
Speaker 5: got to focus on we got to get this job done.
Speaker 5: You know, with her, we don't need any of this
Speaker 5: other stuff going on. So yeah, and that was just
Speaker 5: so great to have him there. It was just so great.
Speaker 5: I'm so thankful.
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Speaker 3: As someone who didn't want fame, how did you handle
Speaker 3: suddenly having it?
Speaker 5: Well, it was pretty weird because we, again, we were
Speaker 5: not expecting it, and all of a sudden in September,
Speaker 5: I got a call from my agent going you're going
Speaker 5: on a press tour. I'm like, oh what, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're going on a press tour. You're doing twenty two
Speaker 5: cities in twenty days, so get packed. I'm like to
Speaker 5: do what and they're like, to advertise the film. I'm
Speaker 5: like wait, wait, wait wait, wait, so they're going to
Speaker 5: tell them who I am. Yeah, they're going a whole
Speaker 5: different way. They're going a whole different way. They're going
Speaker 5: to reveal who you are. And I was like, whoa, okay,
Speaker 5: yeah that was That was a big turn of events.
Speaker 5: That was like a big turn to the laugh that
Speaker 5: I had no idea. So life changed very quickly. And
Speaker 5: when that film came out, it was like crazy town
Speaker 5: at that point. And again we weren't none of us
Speaker 5: were expecting it. It wasn't part of the plan at all.
Speaker 5: It was all lovely, lovely, lovely surprises, but it was
Speaker 5: it was a little bit scary. It was a little
Speaker 5: bit scary because I thought, what's my life like now?
Speaker 5: And I'm in New York and I'm doing theater. Now,
Speaker 5: what's happening out here? And people are asking to do
Speaker 5: these things? Well, what's happening? So it was, it was.
Speaker 5: It was a big shift, that's for sure, but a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful,
Speaker 5: all great stuff. I mean, it was so magical and
Speaker 5: so exciting, but quite startling, especially when you weren't prepared
Speaker 5: for it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Well you're prepared now, that's for sure. Next,
Speaker 1: that's wonderful, and I'm happy to say that I got
Speaker 1: to be your dad.
Speaker 5: I know that.
Speaker 2: The third one, I know, all right, I have to
Speaker 2: say it, Ariel Okay, I feel better now.
Speaker 5: It was perfect.
Speaker 2: I just had to get that out of me.
Speaker 5: It's so wonderful. Yes, you're you're my dad. Well, I
Speaker 5: can't wait to say that you're my daddy.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, yeah, yeah, that doesn't sound nice. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I liked the shoulder input there. That helped. That helped
Speaker 2: sell it my daddy. Okay, yeah that works.
Speaker 5: Just to clarify everybody, he is King Triton now.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, Yes.
Speaker 5: All right, yes that was That's really sweet though. Boy
Speaker 5: Ken Mars, he was so scary. He was so nice
Speaker 5: and so sweet, just like Pat, so nice, so sweet, laughing, laughing,
Speaker 5: laughing makes you laugh all the time, and Pat would
Speaker 5: make me laugh all the time. But then we were
Speaker 5: recording together with plexiglass. We did because of Howard. We
Speaker 5: did our whole experience like a Broadway show. So we
Speaker 5: all did a big read through together, we did a
Speaker 5: sing through together, and then we started recording together with
Speaker 5: plexiglass between us, which I've never gotten to do since
Speaker 5: I've been by myself ever since that movie. But to
Speaker 5: be able to record together, and both Ken and Pat
Speaker 5: so funny, so nice, so jovial, so loving when they
Speaker 5: get behind the microphone. Oh my gosh, he made me cry.
Speaker 5: He made me cry. He was so scary, and Pat
Speaker 5: was frightening and just oh my gosh. And then for
Speaker 5: my character Vanessa, where I've become her and she had
Speaker 5: to teach me how to do her cackle and I
Speaker 5: had to imitate her. We had so much fun. But
Speaker 5: they both were very scary when the mics were on,
Speaker 5: and then the mic would be awful. They'd be like
Speaker 5: and I'd be like, a both, oh wow, He's like,
Speaker 5: I made you cry. I'm like, yes, you made me cry.
Speaker 5: You made me really cry. You screamed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do that again.
Speaker 5: I know. But they were both so so so sweet,
Speaker 5: both so sweet.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I remember. I think it was Alan Venkman right,
Speaker 1: and uh no, wait am I saying his name?
Speaker 2: Menkan Veankman.
Speaker 1: That's the guy from the Ghostbusters forgot never mind, but
Speaker 1: his twin brother, you know. But I always always love
Speaker 1: when my character gets to sing. It just kicks it
Speaker 1: up like way, not just for me, well.
Speaker 5: You and you you're an amazing singer. You're an amazing blucialist,
Speaker 5: of course, and you know a man of a million voices,
Speaker 5: of a million voices, is that you can sing on
Speaker 5: top of that in all of those variety of characters,
Speaker 5: which is so amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: But that's that was one of my favorite things about Pocahontas.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even really in the movie. In the movie,
Speaker 1: but I just sang for uh, well, I was palatant. Yes,
Speaker 1: the river cuts is bad and it was such a
Speaker 1: beautiful song. And I'm sure you're the same. If there's
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, wait, there's a song you have
Speaker 1: to sing, you have to and it's like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: I mean please, yeah, and they Randy Newman ended up
Speaker 1: writing a song uh for Princess and the Frog. When
Speaker 1: he heard that, Ray sang good and uh that just yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever spoken about that, but here's
Speaker 1: those good times any but it was just so cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so special.
Speaker 2: Yay, it good stuff.
Speaker 1: Have you ever worked with Randy Newman?
Speaker 5: I have not. He was on Toy Story one, two
Speaker 5: M three, I think, yeah, but I only saw him
Speaker 5: at the opening carpet person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got any relationship getting to me, but I
Speaker 1: did get to meet him method opening. Well, that's good,
Speaker 1: great guy. It was fun crazy.
Speaker 3: I think the importance of that Bobby performance too, was
Speaker 3: that you didn't mock Bobby Ada.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was super important. It was really important to me.
Speaker 5: But it was also important to the team that we
Speaker 5: don't make fun of her and that she is something
Speaker 5: more than a plastic figure. And that's why, you know,
Speaker 5: she's super smart. She's really smart, and I love that
Speaker 5: we got to delve into that in number three. We
Speaker 5: got to delve into her brilliance and the plan that
Speaker 5: she comes up with, and you know, so I loved
Speaker 5: that we could kind of take her in a different way.
Speaker 5: It was It was really a great challenge, I think
Speaker 5: to tackle that character and give her some depth and
Speaker 5: give her some substance, give her, give her a lot
Speaker 5: of value. It was fun in the studio though, because
Speaker 5: of her restrictions, her physical restrictions, especially with her arms
Speaker 5: that you know, I made sure while I was recording,
Speaker 5: I always stand up. I'm always impressed when people can
Speaker 5: sit down when they record. I can't. I have to
Speaker 5: stand up, and I because I guess a theater background,
Speaker 5: I've got to physically act everything out and real in
Speaker 5: reality for me. So yes, everything was definitely locked, locked
Speaker 5: and loaded. Who with the arms?
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It just kind of helped me to sort of get
Speaker 5: into her skin and kind of figure out who she is.
Speaker 5: But I yes, I do love that we were We
Speaker 5: were able to show her her smart, wonderful, brilliant brain.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And rightly, so, Jim, you're the same. You become the
Speaker 3: character when you voice them too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't know any other way.
Speaker 5: I don't either. I don't think there's another way to
Speaker 5: make them real otherwise you're just reciting lines, right. And
Speaker 5: it's funny because like back then, we didn't have like
Speaker 5: I mean, we had walkmans. There'd be walkmans of the
Speaker 5: animators that be recording us, and maybe some video cameras
Speaker 5: and things. But of course now it's so high tech
Speaker 5: with everything. You know, they want to videotape every session
Speaker 5: and every zoom and every this and every that, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, that's really great, but you know, I'm
Speaker 5: kind of doing some crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it.
Speaker 5: Kind of takes away Like Carol was saying is that
Speaker 5: you feel very, very free in the studio, much more
Speaker 5: so than you do on stage when people are staring
Speaker 5: at you. So when you're in the studio and I
Speaker 5: know you feel the same way, I kind of let
Speaker 5: it all go. I let it all go, and I
Speaker 5: don't stop and think about what a fool I look like.
Speaker 5: I'm looking ridiculous. I'm making weird faces and I'm doing
Speaker 5: weird contortions and this and that. But it's where I
Speaker 5: got to go to make it, make it happen. And
Speaker 5: every once in a while, I'll be like, ah, dang it,
Speaker 5: this is this is all being recorded, like this is
Speaker 5: all visually being seen because I do a lot of
Speaker 5: this with my eyes closed. And I mean, I probably
Speaker 5: like I look weird. Thing to think about, like, she whiz,
Speaker 5: what are you doing with all that tape? What are
Speaker 5: you doing with all that video? Because it's not pretty.
Speaker 5: It's definitely not looking good.
Speaker 1: I remember they took video of me and Princess and
Speaker 1: the Frog and I was playing Ray and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: please tell me you didn't design him to look like me,
Speaker 1: because he's, I mean, I love him, not the best
Speaker 1: looking guy on the block. So it's like, please tell
Speaker 1: me you use some imagination that hi.
Speaker 5: Ouch, But I think, you know, it's kind of like
Speaker 5: being a kid in a candy store or a kid
Speaker 5: in a sandbox, where you sort of have to remove
Speaker 5: everybody else from the equation. I can't really think about
Speaker 5: all the people, especially during Mermaid, all the people behind
Speaker 5: the glass, because the second you think about that changes
Speaker 5: your performance and you start to edit. Yeah, oh oh,
Speaker 5: you know, you change, as opposed to when Howard's just like,
Speaker 5: don't look at them, don't think about them behind the glass.
Speaker 5: They're not even there. We're going to turn the lights down.
Speaker 5: We're going to turn the lights down. You're not even
Speaker 5: to be able to see that. I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 5: think I think that's a good idea. I think just
Speaker 5: make it black, that'll be great. Then I don't think
Speaker 5: about them all staring at me, and then I start
Speaker 5: to change my performance, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know I've noted that as well. And oftentimes,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're doing a phone patch or something
Speaker 1: over you know, like we're doing here today, there'll be
Speaker 1: just an engineer in there in the recording booth. And
Speaker 1: that's fine, which is not a problem, but then I've
Speaker 1: noticed that when there's like two or three or what's
Speaker 1: just like five people in there, they turned into an audience.
Speaker 1: Now you're an audience, You're not just people in the booth. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: coming for you. You know. Then then I then I
Speaker 1: really perform. And I realized that years and years ago,
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't bother me. The more people the better,
Speaker 1: because I think it ups the ante for me. Just
Speaker 1: you know, someone.
Speaker 5: Right now, that's good, that's really good. I am. I
Speaker 5: think I just I start getting a little bit, a
Speaker 5: little bit focused on myself realizing how silly I look.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well see I already look pretty silly, so
Speaker 1: I don't have that problem.
Speaker 2: Of course I look silly.
Speaker 1: I look silly.
Speaker 2: I look silly today, Yes, as you look.
Speaker 5: Silly when you're when you're doing you know, when it
Speaker 5: gets to okay, now it's time for efforts, and now
Speaker 5: it's time for giggles and laughs, yeah, size and screams
Speaker 5: and yells. I have to act them all out. I
Speaker 5: can't just sit at the school and you know, and
Speaker 5: put up this whole thing. I got it up, and
Speaker 5: I've got to be running and I've got to have
Speaker 5: this and do the whole thing, and then I'll be
Speaker 5: finished and I'll hear them all laughing behind the glass.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you, guys, you're laughing. Yeah, you're not really me,
Speaker 5: you're laughing.
Speaker 1: Act because oh well, one of my favorites guys like that.
Speaker 2: Was in the studio.
Speaker 1: He I won't say who he played or his name
Speaker 1: because I won't, but it was the Adams family. When
Speaker 1: I was playing Lurch because of my height, he he
Speaker 1: would do a line and it was supposed to be trepid,
Speaker 1: trepidacious and scared, very frightened. So we'd go, oh no,
Speaker 1: and then press himself up against the wall and he
Speaker 1: would go through these horrible grimaces and faces and you know,
Speaker 1: the great Gordon Hunt God rest is all from Hanna Barbera.
Speaker 1: He pressed down on the talk back.
Speaker 2: It exists.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, we can't hear you doing that, right,
Speaker 1: And he's going, oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, give us
Speaker 1: a little something while you're cringing, give us a cringing sound.
Speaker 5: Give us something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just you know, but you could tell stage
Speaker 1: actor lots of face, lots.
Speaker 5: Of face, lots of face going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of face going on. So are you often
Speaker 1: running these days. I mean, are you like still every
Speaker 1: weekend or every other week? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the next four weeks, the next four weekends, let's
Speaker 5: see where I'm at heading. I think I'm going up
Speaker 5: to Winnipeg for Invention on Friday, and then I'm heading
Speaker 5: to LA to do some fun little things for our
Speaker 5: thirty fifth anniversary of The Little Mermaid, which is crazy
Speaker 5: to think about thirty five years five. Then then I'm
Speaker 5: off to North Carolina that next weekend to do a concert,
Speaker 5: and I've hired my daughter to come and be my
Speaker 5: guest artist.
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited to do a concert that wonderful.
Speaker 5: We did want at Epcot a couple of weekends ago,
Speaker 5: and we had so much fun, and I asked her,
Speaker 5: do you think you could come back? And she's like,
Speaker 5: I can. So she's gonna fly down and meet me
Speaker 5: in North Carolina for a concert that's in Greensboro on
Speaker 5: November ninth, and then I'm back to LA for Oh
Speaker 5: Richard Sherman's memorial service.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I've been invited to sing feed the Birds,
Speaker 5: which the last time I saw saying that song was
Speaker 5: with him at the piano, So I'm very honored to
Speaker 5: get to participate in his memorial service, and then.
Speaker 2: I'll see you there.
Speaker 5: Oh good, I'll see you there. And then San Francisco
Speaker 5: for the Thanksgiving Comic Con.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, are you going to San.
Speaker 1: Fran I don't know. I don't I don't know, mind.
Speaker 5: I don't remember. Who's all going to be honest with you.
Speaker 5: I didn't even look at the list. And then one
Speaker 5: of my favorite favorite favorite things to do with the
Speaker 5: company is Candlelight Professional. So I'll be narrating down in
Speaker 5: Candlelight Professional at Epcot at Christmas Week. So I'm down
Speaker 5: there from the twenty eighth until January first.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 5: So I'm excited. I don't know how many years I've
Speaker 5: done it now. I started in the nineties, I think.
Speaker 5: And I am just beside myself getting to do Candle It.
Speaker 5: It's just such a wonderful, wonderful holiday celebration to do,
Speaker 5: and we try to go as a family, and I
Speaker 5: love it. And it's so funny because I don't sing
Speaker 5: in it. You just narrate. But of course I know
Speaker 5: the show so well after all these years that I
Speaker 5: sing every single song. But I think they turned my
Speaker 5: microphone off.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I think they turn.
Speaker 5: It off because I mean, I know all the parts too.
Speaker 5: I know, I know all the parts to the Hallylois chorus,
Speaker 5: so I kind of switch it off whether I'm a
Speaker 5: dou soprano or alta or whatever, but I can see
Speaker 5: the sound guy back there, and I'm just I know,
Speaker 5: I know he's turned me off, you know, because I'm
Speaker 5: not part of of the choir, and I'm like, but anyways,
Speaker 5: I sing the whole time, the whole show. But it's really,
Speaker 5: it's really fun. It's really fun. It's it's been a
Speaker 5: kind of a tradition for many, many years, and I'm
Speaker 5: always thrilled when when they invite me back, so, you know,
Speaker 5: because you never know, you never know, the phone might
Speaker 5: not ring that year, so you just kind of grateful,
Speaker 5: grateful when it does, Grateful when I do get to
Speaker 5: do those things. And then if it does it one day,
Speaker 5: I'll just say, you know what, it's been a great run.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Amen, that's pretty much my philosophy in a nutshell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very thankful, very very thankful.
Speaker 3: So before we go, Chris, should we play a game
Speaker 3: of voice swap? Just quickly?
Speaker 4: Yes, voice swap? Do you know this game?
Speaker 1: Joy?
Speaker 5: The Sun is setting, so I'm just gonna move my
Speaker 5: little Sorry, we're setting right into my eyes. I'm looking
Speaker 5: out at the lake. It's a beautiful, beautiful day. Okay.
Speaker 5: Tell me about voice swap? What is this?
Speaker 4: Okay? So Jim will go and give a line from
Speaker 4: one of his iconic characters, and then you will voice
Speaker 4: that same line about in the voice of one of
Speaker 4: your characters, and then vice versa. So, for example, Jim
Speaker 4: will give like, stay sweet as honey is Winnie the Pooh,
Speaker 4: and then you'll say the same thing, but as Ariel
Speaker 4: or Barbie, et cetera, et cetera, and then we'll go.
Speaker 5: Back for it. I'll do my best, all right.
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Speaker 1: slash Jim Cummings Podcast. Do it now? Okay, So I
Speaker 1: think I should be Triton. Is that a little too
Speaker 1: on the nose? All right?
Speaker 2: I'll get up all right.
Speaker 1: So here's the line, Harriel, there will be no singing
Speaker 1: in my kingdom.
Speaker 5: Ariel, there will be no singe in my kingdom.
Speaker 2: That just doesn't sound from you.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: It's like you're looking in the mirror, like talking yourself down.
Speaker 4: Don't do it, aol.
Speaker 3: Should we get king trot and singing part of your world?
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 3: I feel like Jody. You you sing, you sing part
Speaker 3: of your world, and we'll get Jim to sing it
Speaker 3: as Winnie the Pooh.
Speaker 1: Okay, excuse me, just what is the thing abou bob?
Speaker 2: I don't care how many you have? What is what?
Speaker 5: Okay? So I got to do part of your world
Speaker 5: and he gets to do it as Pooh. Yes, okay,
Speaker 5: okay hard hot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thanks. I could follow that.
Speaker 1: Pot it's too hot.
Speaker 5: Lower go lower, po.
Speaker 7: Old, it's filled with honey, good old poo.
Speaker 5: I love poo. My take home outfit from the hospital
Speaker 5: of our son McKinley when he was born is a
Speaker 5: little Winnie the Pooh outfit. So you get a little Winnie.
Speaker 8: Pooh, a little onesie, a little what do you call
Speaker 8: those little bird fo bid, thank you a bid, and
Speaker 8: then a little baby cap with baby little.
Speaker 5: Poo ears on top of it. So we brought him
Speaker 5: home from the hospital and his entire crib was Winnie
Speaker 5: the pooh.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 7: Well that's just as sweet as honey sweet. And I
Speaker 7: know he's going to be the best little boat for ever.
Speaker 7: And if you need Uncle Tigger to come over there
Speaker 7: and give them bounce and lessons, it's a done deal.
Speaker 5: But I just I love that I still have it.
Speaker 5: It's all clean, it's packed away, ready for my grand
Speaker 5: baby one day, right, hopefully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see too much pressure, no pressure, no pressure,
Speaker 1: no pressure at my.
Speaker 5: Kids are watching or listening, no pressure.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. It's got to be organic or
Speaker 1: is it organic? Yes, anyway, you get the idea, You
Speaker 1: get the idea. Oh, Sody, thank you so so.
Speaker 4: Soon, very much.
Speaker 5: It only took us three years or something between between
Speaker 5: your schedule and my schedule. I'm so thankful that it
Speaker 5: finally worked out. We had a few little technical difficulties,
Speaker 5: but we made it work.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's all good. It is it is it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I see you very soon.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll be the guy who looks like me.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately one of our cities we'll I'll definitely see you
Speaker 5: at Richard's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 5: That'll be special. That'd be special. But thank you so
Speaker 5: much for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Christopher's going to take us home.
Speaker 4: Well, thanks for being here, Jody. That that was a
Speaker 4: very interesting conversation and thank you all for watching. That
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