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Speaker 1: Around.

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Speaker 2: This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast. Coming back

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to your story, I mean, this is amazing. People are

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witnessing this all over the place. Give us an account,

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as you tell in your book and describe it. How

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many witnesses did indeed the FBI, you know, interrogate or

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take their testimony. I mean, this is interesting story to

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tell us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the final count was seven hundred and

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fifty five. Wow. And the FBI, by the way, was

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totally They're in over their heads. That's they're not air

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you know, investigators of air craft intimates. They shouldn't even

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been on the job. But on day one, hour one,

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they were designated to take the job over from the

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National Transportation Safety Board, the INTSP, who by law is

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designated to control all in any domestic airplane crashes. Now

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they maintained that control by law. I mean, it's not

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just like a tradition. It's law only if until uh,

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it's declared a crime. And this was never declared a crime,

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the destruction of tow the Grete hundred. But the I

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just bullied them right out of the way, right immediately

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and started interviewing people up and down the coast of

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Long Island and then Connecticut, even in New Jersey, people

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as you know, ships at sea, a few aviators who

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saw it, helicopter pilots, and what the FBI would do

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is they would interview someone and fill out what's called

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the three to zero two which is just like a

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handwritten you know, a document where you would and then

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it would be at some point given to a secretary

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to type up or whatever. So but they didn't have

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any GPS, they didn't have any navigation as they were

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really blundering through this, which actually ends up helping the

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people who wanted these this incident to go away. So

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they interviewed about seven hundred fifty five people. Of those

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seven fifty five, I think that the number was two

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fifty eight who saw a streak of light heading up

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towards the aircraft. And I think the end final MTSP

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number was fifty six who were able to trace that

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streak of light from the horizon all the way to

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the aircraft. So many of these witnesses were just excellent,

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and a lot of them were professionals with serious experience

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and helicopter pilots for instance, and you know former military people,

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fisherman people, who were used to knowing what they were seeing,

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and also people It's going to sound a little sort

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of classes maybe, but people who live on along the

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coast of the Amptons and southern Longland are used to

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be taken seriously. They can't easily be brushed off, and

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so they were very persistent. And the one shortcoming of

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this witness experience is that this took place just before

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the Internet became a commonplace. At that point, only about

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twelve percent of the people were online, and so the

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witnesses had had no way of.

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Speaker 2: Your report that the New York Times came online I

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think in an internet and way back in nineteen ninety

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six or thereabouts, right, Yeah, to continue, that's right.

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Speaker 1: That's when they first came online, exactly. And so but

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the witnesses had no way of knowing there were other

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witnesses because The New York Times wasn't going to interview them.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, right, but first hand evidence right from the cockpit

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of an aircraft. I'm reading this from your book. No,

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I'm not reading it, forbidden executive, No excuse me. We're

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talking about David McLean, an East Wind pilot, saw the

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tw eight hundred explode right in front of him, And

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what better evidence could you have that something's amiss there

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that we see the explosion. Describe that a little better

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than what I tried to read there because or described

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because when you have that first hand information, they're seeing

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it right from sitting in the cockpit, like, oh my god,

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look at this big airliner. I just saw it explode.

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Tell us more about that.

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Speaker 1: That's inportant in McClain's case. And you know, it's been

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a while since i've reviewed this case, but I think

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remember it well. What the I would say the people

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were become, I'm going to call them the conspirators, the

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people who wanted this to go away. What they liked

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about McClain is that he didn't see the missile approach.

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What they didn't like about McClean is that he saw

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the plane fall right out of the sky. That's amazing. Now,

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why this was a problem is because the CIA, which

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had very discreetly taking control of the investigation from the

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FBI on day one or day two, at the end

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of their the way they closed the investigation was the

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CIA was commissioned. This is crazy to create an animation

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that would somehow rationalize, explain away what the eyewitnesses saw,

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and so what they concluded, and doctor Scott, you could

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probably speak to this more eloquently than I can. What

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they concluded was that there was an on board explosion

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center fuel tank, spontaneous unknown origin that blew the nose

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off the plane, and then the noseless plane ascended from

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that point another thirty five hundred and four thousand feet,

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using people into thinking they saw a missile going up.

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Speaker 2: Totally ridiculous, but it was spoon fed to was and

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so many people have met. Well now, obviously through your

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research and your books investigative journalism, people are starting to

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wake up. But thirty years later, oh my gosh, I mean,

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this is still the greatest mystery. And then it goes

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deep as we get into this interview with our very

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special guest, Jack Cashell. Your questions and observations at one

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eight hundred and eight four eight nine to two to

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two two. Maybe some of you even witness this or

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no people who had, or sadly again, maybe you knew

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people who actually perished on that particular aircraft. But I

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think I have it right, didn't George Stephanopoulos once say,

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and I don't know if the quote is right, Tell

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the truth, but do it slowly? Is there some truth

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to what.

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Speaker 1: I just said? I don't know that he said that,

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but okay, I think I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what I thought I heard. But that's interesting.

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So the main role of the CIA is to deceive.

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That's the business that they're in. So obviously true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they gave out medals at the end of

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the day, right. I can tell you the guy who

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said he has a picture in the CIA bag in

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Randolph's house, he gets like the President's medal for doing

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a good job. And if this has been a foreign

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adversary and it's somehow served on a national purpose, obviously

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he gets it. But when you're dealing with the American people,

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that's not your role. In fact, the CIA should never

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had been involved. They have no authority at all to

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medal in a domestic airplaner. You're so right.

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Speaker 2: And if you watch that video, I guess no, unless

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they've edited it again. It keeps insisting on what center,

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fuel tank, fuel tank, fuel tank, It comes going on

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and on and on. But you're so right. I'm not

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an aviation a missile. I'm not an aviation expert by

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any means. But I know plenty of pilots that are,

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but what I find ludicrous from the science of astronomy

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and space and physics, you don't necessarily see the front

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section of a seven forty seven deciding to propel itself

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higher into the air. And I think in your book

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you describe it even better. Season seven forty seven pilots said,

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hell no, that front section would just drop like a

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rock because obviously it defines the laws of physics, which

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is totally amazing.