Speaker 1: Around.
Speaker 2: This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast. Coming back
to your story, I mean, this is amazing. People are
witnessing this all over the place. Give us an account,
as you tell in your book and describe it. How
many witnesses did indeed the FBI, you know, interrogate or
take their testimony. I mean, this is interesting story to
tell us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the final count was seven hundred and
fifty five. Wow. And the FBI, by the way, was
totally They're in over their heads. That's they're not air
you know, investigators of air craft intimates. They shouldn't even
been on the job. But on day one, hour one,
they were designated to take the job over from the
National Transportation Safety Board, the INTSP, who by law is
designated to control all in any domestic airplane crashes. Now
they maintained that control by law. I mean, it's not
just like a tradition. It's law only if until uh,
it's declared a crime. And this was never declared a crime,
the destruction of tow the Grete hundred. But the I
just bullied them right out of the way, right immediately
and started interviewing people up and down the coast of
Long Island and then Connecticut, even in New Jersey, people
as you know, ships at sea, a few aviators who
saw it, helicopter pilots, and what the FBI would do
is they would interview someone and fill out what's called
the three to zero two which is just like a
handwritten you know, a document where you would and then
it would be at some point given to a secretary
to type up or whatever. So but they didn't have
any GPS, they didn't have any navigation as they were
really blundering through this, which actually ends up helping the
people who wanted these this incident to go away. So
they interviewed about seven hundred fifty five people. Of those
seven fifty five, I think that the number was two
fifty eight who saw a streak of light heading up
towards the aircraft. And I think the end final MTSP
number was fifty six who were able to trace that
streak of light from the horizon all the way to
the aircraft. So many of these witnesses were just excellent,
and a lot of them were professionals with serious experience
and helicopter pilots for instance, and you know former military people,
fisherman people, who were used to knowing what they were seeing,
and also people It's going to sound a little sort
of classes maybe, but people who live on along the
coast of the Amptons and southern Longland are used to
be taken seriously. They can't easily be brushed off, and
so they were very persistent. And the one shortcoming of
this witness experience is that this took place just before
the Internet became a commonplace. At that point, only about
twelve percent of the people were online, and so the
witnesses had had no way of.
Speaker 2: Your report that the New York Times came online I
think in an internet and way back in nineteen ninety
six or thereabouts, right, Yeah, to continue, that's right.
Speaker 1: That's when they first came online, exactly. And so but
the witnesses had no way of knowing there were other
witnesses because The New York Times wasn't going to interview them.
Speaker 2: Interesting, right, but first hand evidence right from the cockpit
of an aircraft. I'm reading this from your book. No,
I'm not reading it, forbidden executive, No excuse me. We're
talking about David McLean, an East Wind pilot, saw the
tw eight hundred explode right in front of him, And
what better evidence could you have that something's amiss there
that we see the explosion. Describe that a little better
than what I tried to read there because or described
because when you have that first hand information, they're seeing
it right from sitting in the cockpit, like, oh my god,
look at this big airliner. I just saw it explode.
Tell us more about that.
Speaker 1: That's inportant in McClain's case. And you know, it's been
a while since i've reviewed this case, but I think
remember it well. What the I would say the people
were become, I'm going to call them the conspirators, the
people who wanted this to go away. What they liked
about McClain is that he didn't see the missile approach.
What they didn't like about McClean is that he saw
the plane fall right out of the sky. That's amazing. Now,
why this was a problem is because the CIA, which
had very discreetly taking control of the investigation from the
FBI on day one or day two, at the end
of their the way they closed the investigation was the
CIA was commissioned. This is crazy to create an animation
that would somehow rationalize, explain away what the eyewitnesses saw,
and so what they concluded, and doctor Scott, you could
probably speak to this more eloquently than I can. What
they concluded was that there was an on board explosion
center fuel tank, spontaneous unknown origin that blew the nose
off the plane, and then the noseless plane ascended from
that point another thirty five hundred and four thousand feet,
using people into thinking they saw a missile going up.
Speaker 2: Totally ridiculous, but it was spoon fed to was and
so many people have met. Well now, obviously through your
research and your books investigative journalism, people are starting to
wake up. But thirty years later, oh my gosh, I mean,
this is still the greatest mystery. And then it goes
deep as we get into this interview with our very
special guest, Jack Cashell. Your questions and observations at one
eight hundred and eight four eight nine to two to
two two. Maybe some of you even witness this or
no people who had, or sadly again, maybe you knew
people who actually perished on that particular aircraft. But I
think I have it right, didn't George Stephanopoulos once say,
and I don't know if the quote is right, Tell
the truth, but do it slowly? Is there some truth
to what.
Speaker 1: I just said? I don't know that he said that,
but okay, I think I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I thought I heard. But that's interesting.
So the main role of the CIA is to deceive.
That's the business that they're in. So obviously true.
Speaker 1: I mean, they gave out medals at the end of
the day, right. I can tell you the guy who
said he has a picture in the CIA bag in
Randolph's house, he gets like the President's medal for doing
a good job. And if this has been a foreign
adversary and it's somehow served on a national purpose, obviously
he gets it. But when you're dealing with the American people,
that's not your role. In fact, the CIA should never
had been involved. They have no authority at all to
medal in a domestic airplaner. You're so right.
Speaker 2: And if you watch that video, I guess no, unless
they've edited it again. It keeps insisting on what center,
fuel tank, fuel tank, fuel tank, It comes going on
and on and on. But you're so right. I'm not
an aviation a missile. I'm not an aviation expert by
any means. But I know plenty of pilots that are,
but what I find ludicrous from the science of astronomy
and space and physics, you don't necessarily see the front
section of a seven forty seven deciding to propel itself
higher into the air. And I think in your book
you describe it even better. Season seven forty seven pilots said,
hell no, that front section would just drop like a
rock because obviously it defines the laws of physics, which
is totally amazing.