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Speaker 1: At a book.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, thanks so much as always for joining us

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for another episode of dog Mean Encounters Radio. Really appreciate

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you listening. Wow, where do I start? If you listen

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to episodes three ninety nine, for eighty eight and five

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thirty eight, you'll listen to tonight's guest come on and

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talk about the several dog men sightings and encounters that

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she's had, or I should say, more accurately, dog woman

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encounters that she's had with a dog woman that she

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affectionately calls Imber. Of course, I'm talking about Kim. While

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originally had planned bring Kim on here and just do

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a pretty traditional interview with her so she could catch

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you up and bring you up to speed on this

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most the stunning, most recent experience that she had with them,

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this sighting. But Wow, earlier this evening, Kim had an

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experience that she never would have expected to have. I'm

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not going to get into the details, of course, I'm

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gonna let Kim do that for you. But when she

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contacted me about an hour ago to bring up to

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speed and let me know what happened, it blew me away.

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I really wasn't expecting that. Well, without any further Ado.

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Let's get her in here now. Kim, thanks so much

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for coming back.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Vick, glad to be back.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great having you, it is, Kim. For anyone

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listening who missed those episodes episodes three ninety nine, four

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eighty eight, and five thirty eight, please give them a

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brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 3: M Well, are you talking about the actual episodes or

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just me, just.

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Speaker 2: You, whatever you'd like to tell them about yourself.

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Speaker 3: I'm a single woman. I'm over sixty, so I'm a

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senior at this point. I am retired nurse, and I

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work part time as a sound therapist, which is kind

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of an unusual occupation. And I live in a and

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I live in a in my motor home, and I

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just pretty much spend my time with my little dog

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and going to work and going to take care of

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my elderly mother. My life's not very exciting except for

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when I run into Amber. Are the others?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say right there, it makes it more than

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exciting enough. I'd say too exciting, especially when you consider

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what happened this evening. Only Cow if you could bring

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the Oh, I'm sorry, please continue.

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Speaker 3: You didn't tell me you were going to bring that up. Okay,

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if you don't.

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Speaker 2: Want to talk about it, then we don't have to.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it's okay, because it's gonna well, yeah, it's okay.

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my aspects a little bit from for the future.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it will, you understandably. So well, if you're

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sure you're okay talking about it, then please tell everyone

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listening what happened earlier today.

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Speaker 3: Gosh talk talk about a total surprise. And I couldn't.

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I could not get it straight in my head that

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I was going to talk to Vic tonight and this happened.

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Was coming back from my my my older mothers had

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gone out to dinner to celebrate her wedding anniversary, just

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her and them. Shot. My dad's no longer with us.

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But anyway, I'm on a road that isn't quite I

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developed paved road. It's just just black asphalts, no concrete curves, stitches. Anyway,

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this thing, creature, person at dog man whatever, came out

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of the woods and chased my car tonight, and I

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could tell what it was because of its feet in

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its hands. I've seen enough of these creatures now that

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I know what a dog man looks like there's no

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I would never say, oh, it's a bear or it's

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a this, But in my mind, I was trying to

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tell myself it was a deer that maybe had gone

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crazy and was running down the road. I saw the

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feet and I saw the hands. I could not I

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kept I couldn't turn my head far enough back to

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see this thing because I was driving. But I could

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see it in my little tiny h were left mirror.

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I could see its feet. First it was on all fours,

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then it stood up on two, and then it got

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back down on fours all fours and disappeared again because

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a car came up behind me. But it chased me

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for maybe three or four blocks, and then it went

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back into the woods. But I know this was a

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dog man, and it was a blonde red color. It's

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nobody I've ever seen before. When the car came up

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behind me, it got up closer to me and I

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for the next four or five miles, it kept flashing

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it slights at me, and I just kept going because

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I wasn't going to stop. But anyway, I was chased

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by a dog man. Tonight had to been could have

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been anything else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it had to be one too, when

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you consider what you just reported about seeing how fast

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were you going, Kim when it was transitioning from fours

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to two's back to fours.

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Speaker 3: This is thirty miles an hour. It's a rule suburban

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road and that's the speed limit.

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Speaker 2: Well, because these guys, well I'm sorry, please continue.

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Speaker 3: I know they can run fast, but it was just

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kind of loping along, and I think it just kind

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of stunned me. My natural reactions probably should have been

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a speed off, but I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Well, considering your past experiences with these guys, I mean,

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you didn't have any reason to be too freaked out,

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but this one could have presented quite a bit of danger.

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It's hard to say all though. If you're doing thirty,

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it definitely could have caught you. And you told me

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that you're in a ragtop, so I know you.

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Speaker 3: Volkswagen Nubeetle ragtop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you thought that when we first spoke about this earlier.

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You thought that you're even more vulnerable while being in

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that ragtop. But like I told you, they could peel

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the roof off of a hard top like a tin

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can if they really wanted to get you. But yeah,

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that one, for whatever reason, was just trying to torment Sho.

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I don't need to tell you that you already know,

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but I don't know why it was trying to torment you.

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I want to put this out there for everyone listening.

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This is something that I shared with Kim before we

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started recording here. It's just one of those quirky things.

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I mean, as far as quirky things go when it

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comes to dog men, it's a mile long list. But

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one of the quirky things about dog men that you

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need to understand if you're one of the people who

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listens to the show and think it would be so

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need to head out into the woods and try to

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investigate one of these things. Of course that's not Kim,

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but a lot of people who listen to the show

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do try to do that. Something you need to know

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and need to be aware of, is for some strange reason.

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There's definitely a pattern I've noticed over the years of

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talking with so many people, thousands and thousands of dogmen eyewitnesses,

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and that includes investigators too. If you go out and

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try to investigate dog men, it's not that uncommon. It's

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somewhat uncommon, but it's not that uncommon for them to

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flip the script and wind up investigating you. That can

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come in the form of the dog man that you're

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driving miles and miles to go investigate, and it's territory

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it coming in and seeking you out at your home.

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It can also represent itself and another dog man you've

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never seen before showing up at your property that you

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never expected to see. I don't know what it is,

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but like I said, sometimes when when you investigate dog men,

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they flipped the script and decide to investigate you. I

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don't know how long it's been, but the most recent

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case of that, I had a dog man investigator contact

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me pleading me for help. You've got to help me, Vicky,

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You've got to help me. A dog man I've been investigating.

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It followed me home and knows where I live. It's

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here now. So yeah, if you're going to head out

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into the woods and try to do that, be warned.

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guys follow you home? Because that's when it really gets real.

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But moving on there, Kim, having had this experience earlier on,

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how do you think that might affect your interest in

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going out and trying to find Imber again to see her.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's too early. It's chearly to know,

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because I had just well, as we had discussed when

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we did the initial interview, you know, I've kind of

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lost my I haven't lost my caution, but I had

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lost my fear of Ember and her bunch, and I

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just at this time, I just don't know because I

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run those streets all the time, and there's a corridor

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that they stay in out there where I've encountered them

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multiple times. And now I've got this newbie, so there's

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more than just Ember and her bunch out there. So

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Speaker 2: Well, this is all so new. I mean, you've got

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plenty of time to think about this and decide if

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you do want to continue heading out to try to

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seek out experiences with Ember in the future. There's no rush,

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But whatever you decide, I'm sure it's going to be

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the right decision. So you have no concern they're at all.

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The last time we spoke before, when you contacted me

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about a week ago, Kim, you told me about several

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visits you had had by some dog men. You think

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that one of those might have been Ember, and another

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one might have been that big, frightening meal that always

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escorts her. But after we spoke that time, did any

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other dogmen pay visits?

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Speaker 3: No, only those two, and of course they disappeared months ago,

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so no. But honestly, you and I both have had

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the feeling that those two were Ember and her mate.

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never saw the second one. All I saw was the

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big dark one, and I never saw him in the light.

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It was always after after the sunset, So I really

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don't know. They could have been other dog men, And

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if they were, that's just another fright frightening thought for

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me to be having, because that means I've got even others.

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Let's hope not. I'm just going to keep thinking it

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was Ember and her mate.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we talked about the possibility that it is

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a different group of dog men that paid you visit.

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But the good news in that, if there is good

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news to be had when dogmen pay you a visit,

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is the fact that, Okay, they know you're there. There's kim.

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If they actually know your connection to Ember, but they

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saw you, they knew where to find you. If they

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wanted to harm you. They've had all these opportunities to

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do that, but they haven't, so thank goodness for that.

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paying you visits at your residence, you have to look

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for the bright spots anywhere you can get them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now they're gone as far as I know. That's

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the bright spot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that definitely helps. Hope they never do return, but

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you never know. You really don't talking about strange frightening things.

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You said that your grandson lives with you now, and

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something really unnerving happened related to that. Please talk us

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through that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, my grandson has a tiny, tiny helm here

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and somebody busted in the door. But uh, and nothing

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was taken except like cat food and dog food. They

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didn't take any electronics or anything, so we don't think

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it was a neighborhood kid or anything. But we don't

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know for sure. But yeah, a busted at the door.

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It's been quite a while back, and the only thing

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they took was the food, so they had to. Matter

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of fact, it was a bad bust and it wasn't

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just to bust the door. And they had to replace

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the whole doorframe. It had to be completely reinforced and rebuilt.

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So whoever it was was pretty serious and was a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say they must have been. And if they

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broke in and all they took was the cat food,

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what does that tell you. There's a strong possibility. I

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don't want to go there, but it's a strong possibility.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, we had cats missing too. There's a

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lot of cats around here, and they're all they're all

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catch and release feral cats. But my son feeds them,

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and he feeds so many of them and they come

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to him, they may not come to anybody else. We

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had a whole bunch of those disappear. So I was

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thinking that maybe when those dog people and dog whatever

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they are dog individuals were here, that they had maybe

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feasted on some of the neighborhood cats, because everybody that's

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missing a cat always comes and asks, my son, have

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you seen my cat? Well, there wasn't just our cats

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around us, but it was other cats there. There's no

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dogs that run this neighborhood. It was just the cats.

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But yeah, we had about eight cats disappear that we

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know of, so could have it was during that same period,

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so it was obvious they were here, maybe eating the cats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like they just might have been. I'm so

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sorry to hear that happened. It's awfully impressive that your

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son takes care of them that way, because not many

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people do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of crazy in that crazy that way. Yeah,

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if one's missing, he goes. And there was one cat.

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He never did find him. He looked for him for

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two months. You know, that's just how he is. All

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have names. They don't always have names that make sense

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or are very attractive, but they they're all named, every

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last one of them.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I said, he's a good man. Yeah, that's

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definition of altruistic right there. All right, Kim, About three

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weeks ago, you saw Emburg again and she wasn't alone.

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Please take your time telling us a story behind that.

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Give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 3: Approximately seventeen days ago, I ran into Amber. I was

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on the same I was. I was actually driving on

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the same road that I saw her on the very

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first time that I ever saw her, but this time

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she was on the other side of the road, whereas well,

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the first time I saw her she was on the

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east this time she was on the west. This is

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a squiggly country road. It's just a leftover from before

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they started making straight neighborhood roads that it was just

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just left and it's just been paved, and it's fairly narrow,

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and it's squiggles around. And I have to back up

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for a minute. I have to give some background on this.

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I have been searching for Ember. I've been searching for

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Ember for about two months and well almost three months,

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well two and a half months now, but I've already

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saw her, so that one half month is wiped off.

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But for two months I sought her out because I

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drive the same streets all the time. I'm always out there,

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and I don't go up and down the streets, you know,

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on a daily basis, maybe twice a week or anyway,

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and I have been seeking her out. I've been mentally

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and verbally calling for her because she was expecting and

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I was really hoping to see her and to see

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her babies, even if it's for the last time. But anyway,

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I'm on the road and I'm driving squiggly Rode and

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I'm thinking about Ember, of course, because I always do

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when i'm out there, because that's the most obvious place

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to think about her. In the first place, I saw

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her as I came around in the road that brings

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me to the right, and I'm driving straight towards the woods.

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There she was. She was about thirty feet away from

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the fence that it is fenced. It's just bob wire,

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old kind of farm fence. She was way back in

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the in the fresh green spring growth, you know how

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before everything gets bushy and tall and green and thick,

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had the new growth. And she was down on all

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fours and her guy was with her. He was behind

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her that the same way he was last time I

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saw her. He was standing behind her into the trees.

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He does not like to show himself to me. But

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the thing about Ember was is she has two babies.

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They were on her back. She's a bright spot. She's

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a very beautiful she's a gray, she's a pretty things.

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She's very very noticeable. It'd be hard for her to

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hide in the green growth. Whereas that big, the big

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black mate, it's not hard for him to hide. He's

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he's like Matt Black. He the darkest, darkest, darkest dark

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dark you could ever come to, is this guy. But

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Amber is just the opposite. She's like a I named

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her amber. She's like she's like the glowing flame, the

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glowing embers of the fire. She just she shows up,

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so I had no way to miss her. And she

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never did stand up. She was down, down, down. She

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was either on her knees or on her haunches. I

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never knew what or how for sure she was she

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was positioned because there's green growth all around her. But

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she has two babies. They they're cute. One is black

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like his daddy, and the other one is a charcoal

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gray with a white circle right under its chin, a

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perfect almost a perfect white circle. And I never did

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get to see their bodies. All I got to see

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was the top of them, you know, from their shoulders down.

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Maybe it's all I got to see, because they kept

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bobbing up and climbing around. They were on her back,

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writing kind of like a possum, or like a possum

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does the babies right on the back, and they they

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had they had nothing to do with me. They didn't

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even know I was there. They were too busy playing

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with her ears. They kept batting at her ears and

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jumping around and switching around and all of this whole

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thing only lasted less than maybe four minutes, you know,

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the whole thing. I got to see a foot in

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a hand, but it was it was just in passing

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because when she turned around to leave, the babies did

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the opposite. They they slid around and were against her

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chest as she as she walked away on all fours.

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She never stood up. Not one time did she ever

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stand up. So I'm thinking that her position is because

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of those babies and that's how she carries them. She

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had two breasts that I thought I thought she had

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more at one point in time, but she had two

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breasts that were activated and I could see them and

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she looked okay. She vi kid asked me how her

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body looked, and I really couldn't see her. She didn't

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stand up, but she looked okay. She didn't look like

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she didn't look saggy or baggy or she's looked like

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her slender little self. She's gotten taller, she's about a

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foot taller. But like I said, I didn't get to

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see her because so I don't know how tall she

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is now. But the last time I saw her that

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she had actually stood up, she was about six foot

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And we'll see they looked like a little monkeys there.

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The babies look like little monkeys. They're about the size

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of a ten to twelve month old human. And she

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I had no idea when she could have had them,

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but she's they've been gone from if they were visiting me,

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they've been gone from my home area for the last

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two and a half to three months. So if that

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was her, then she's gone off and had these. When

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I saw her the day I had the flat tire

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and I actually got to see her that she was pregnant.

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She just had a little bit around basketball billy, but

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it was enough to know that she was pregnant because

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the way it was positioned. But she got two little monsters,

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and they look like little monkeys. I couldn't tell their

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eye color. I guess the eyes were dark. I really

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couldn't tell their eye color. They were just kept bouncing around.

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I'm moving. I could see their little ears. The ears

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are a little different than the adults. They're they're not

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quite as straight up on top. They're probably just not established,

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you know how some dog's ears get stronger as they

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get older and stand up higher. I think these little

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ones just they're just ears, just aren't standing up yet,

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but they look like a little monkeys. And there were

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just two and I couldn't tell if they were boys

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or girls because I never got to saw that part.

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I got to see that part of their body. But

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they they're sure cute. They're sure cute. Anyway, that's pretty

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much my story. He the male made a noise just

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like he did before, and she said, who, I gotta go,

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and that's when they left. And like I said, this

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whole thing was maybe four minutes if I was lucky,

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and I did stop with my car running because I

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was just in shock and thrilled and just I had

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to see. And no, you can't take pictures of this stuff, guys,

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you just can't. It don't work. If I moved it,

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reached for touched or changed anything, it would probably scare

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her off. And I'm just not going to risk that.

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So the only person that has the photographs of them

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is me and my brain. But I feel so lucky

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and privileged, and she's just as beautiful as ever. And

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these if these things are real, and they're just like us.

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They just want to survive. So that's what these guys

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are out there doing, surviving with their little family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a definition of scratching out a living unintended.

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Of course, how close was Imbertilla when you first saw her?

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Speaker 3: She's about thirty feet from the fence. They were back,

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They were back quite a ways.

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Speaker 2: If she was thirty feet from the fence, how close

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were you to the fence.

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Speaker 3: You're probably six feet from the fence because I was

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in the road.

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Speaker 2: So you were close to it, really close.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really close to her. Like I said,

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I came around the curve and there she was. But

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I've been seriously looking for her now for quite a while,

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so wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really close now. Just so I'm clear

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on this, was she on the driver's side of your

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car or the passenger side.

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Speaker 3: She's on the driver's side.

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Speaker 2: On the driver's side, so you had your window down,

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You're looking at your driver's side window, and she's literally

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thirty six feet away. Was it a windy day or

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pretty calm or somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Between semi rainey? It's been, we've been and we've had

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Seattle weather here for quite a while. We still, as

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a matter of fact, we did today. These guys see

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to be active on rainy days. I don't understand it.

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But yeah, it had been a rainy day. It wasn't

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raining at that point in time, but it had rained,

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not hard, no storms, just rain, just soft spring rain.

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Speaker 2: Well, what you just said there, Kim, bring something else

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to mind I need to address. I've spoken with people

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who have these things around their homes. Some people live

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way out and they've had interactions with these guys and

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they do things to quote unquote protect themselves from the

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dog and they're around. Well, one of the ideas that

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I've heard put out there, where they say they do

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this or do that or protect themselves. One of the

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things they do, mistakenly is they'll wait until it's really

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nasty if they have to go out. For example, if

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there's a really nasty snowstorm and they forgot to take

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the trash out, and they think, okay, well, I'll just

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wait until it gets nastier, supposed to get nastier later on,

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I'll just take the trash out. Then, understand, these guys

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are a scene in some of the nastiest conditions just

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because it's snowing and blowing or it's a really bad thunderstorm.

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Don't think for a second that these guys aren't out

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and about because of the nasty conditions. Don't think that,

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because there have been plenty of encounters reported where people

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saw them under conditions like that. But if you think

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about it being a predator, that's when the hunting's it's best.

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Because if you're a prey animal and you're bedded down

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like a deer, for example, because of the snowing and blowing,

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or if it's a real bad thunderstorm and you've got

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all that ring coming down and all that wind, you

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can sneak up on a deer and it's never going

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to hear you. So yeah, if you do have these

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guys around, don't think for a second that because it's

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nasty out that you can go check the mail, you

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can go take the trash out, because they're not going

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to be around. That's just not how it is. So

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I just wanted to bring that to your attention. Moving on, Kim,

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did she seemed did Ember seem to be annoyed by

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the pups doing all that on her back, messing with

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her ears?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, she kept this. Let's see the one

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that was just okay, so that's her her left side,

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the one that was behind her left ear. She kept

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reaching up and taking its paw off of her ear.

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Poor thing, Yeah, poor thing. They're sure cute, brick, They're

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unbelievably cute. Unbelievably cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cute, but a handful. It sounds like. Yeah, yeah,

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there was one guy who found the one by itself

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and he made the mistake of trying to pick it up,

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and I guess it bit him.

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Speaker 3: Well, these guys were healthy, so they probably would bite

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somebody that tried to go after him. Of course, that's

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their natural instinct. These are wild animals.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt. He'd be crazy to try to do that,

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especially to think there wouldn't be any blowback from doing that.

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Were the puffs smooth or jerky in their movements?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Smooth or jerky? No, not jerky, just bouncey. They

473
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didn't seem to be uncoordinated, if that's what you're looking for.

474
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, sounds like they're off to a good start.

475
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,480
I can only imagine what everyone must go through trying

476
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,960
to keep him in check. Can you imagine two of them?

477
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got her hands full, So does he?

478
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd say so. Speaking of him, I know when

479
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:45,559
he saw him for the first time, when he was

480
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,559
escorting Imber. He looked put off when he saw you

481
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,039
come to visit, basically to visit Embers what you're doing.

482
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,440
Did he look put off this time as well?

483
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: No, but he did let him stay long. He gave

484
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,720
the signal and off they went. No, he just stood there,

485
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,920
and of course, like I told you when we interviewed,

486
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,599
I had to keep an eye on him, and I

487
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000
kept trying to look at her and watch the puppies

488
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,680
at the same time, puppies, pufps, whatever they are, and

489
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:17,039
watch them all. It was quite an adventure to try

490
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,160
to take all that observation in. He pretty much just

491
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,319
stayed back in the trees like he always does. He's

492
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,240
probably four feet behind her, maybe that's a guess. That's

493
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,200
probably not even accurate. But he doesn't come out. He

494
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,519
stands behind it. He stands up behind the trees and

495
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,920
likes to peer up over the limbs at you. He

496
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,519
wants you to know how tall he is. He wasn't

497
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:38,599
down at all fours and being humble like her. He

498
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,160
was all stood up tall and just looked at me

499
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,400
and looked at Ember, and pretty soon he just made

500
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,640
the signal and off they went. She turned around and

501
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:48,279
they left.

502
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, with him around. I'm sure security is not a

503
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:54,640
problem at all. I'm sure he has got that well

504
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,440
in hand. Did the pups seem to have any trouble

505
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,559
clinging to imber?

506
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,759
Speaker 3: No? No, no, I don't think so. They were. They

507
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:13,160
kept climbing up her back. The one fell off and

508
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400
she kind of reached around and I could see where

509
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,440
she took took her hand and scooped his little button

510
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,240
put him back on her back. So they might within

511
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:24,680
their antics, they might lose their grip and fall off,

512
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,279
would be my guess.

513
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,519
Speaker 2: What really makes me wonder about this is I know

514
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,880
they can definitely use their hands to cling on to her,

515
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:37,240
but if they're moving around from her shoulders down around

516
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,880
to her chest, I wonder if they're using their feet too.

517
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:40,680
Could you tell?

518
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: Well, you have to realize that she if she was,

519
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,519
if she was on all fours, whether she was sitting

520
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:50,319
on her haunches or not, they have the slope of

521
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:55,680
her back to be on, so they're not hanging They're

522
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,400
not hanging down where they're going to fall off. They

523
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,559
have the slope of her back to you know, stay on,

524
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:04,160
So that's not as I don't think it's as difficult

525
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,640
as if she actually were standing up.

526
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: Well, no, definitely not. But didn't you see the moved

527
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,160
around down to her chest?

528
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: Also, they swung well when she got up. When she

529
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,319
got up, when she turned around to leave, they flipped

530
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,720
around and were on the front. And I couldn't tell

531
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,200
how they were attached then because I couldn't see them anymore.

532
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,079
They were attached on the front. She had them on

533
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,440
the front, So maybe they have a different kind of

534
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,279
grip when she's you know, walking like that. I can't

535
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:37,720
answer that because I didn't get to see it.

536
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:42,839
Speaker 2: Oh sure, well, it's understandable. I mean, you're doing the

537
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,920
best you could to take all this in. I mean

538
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,079
I can only imagine what it must have been like

539
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,480
to have those experience that experience there and to try

540
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,920
and take all that in. I mean, my head would

541
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,880
be spinning and spinning right now just trying to think

542
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,480
about what it must have been like. Holy cow, that's intense.

543
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,759
You told us about some of the features that the

544
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:06,440
pups had, and it makes me think that the answer

545
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,319
to this is going to be yes. I'm gonna ask

546
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,599
you anyway, could you see any features on the pups

547
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,640
that gave them puppy like features? No matter what the

548
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,480
breed of puppy talking about dogs here, no matter what

549
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,880
the breed of puppy or dog is, you can always

550
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,440
tell when you're looking at a puppy because of its features.

551
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Is that the same thing here with these dog men, pups.

552
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,799
Speaker 3: Pufps uh, Puppies aren't Puppies don't have sharp distinct features

553
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,039
like adult dogs do. And these guys are the same way.

554
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,359
They they're just kind of blunted in a way. They're softer,

555
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,440
Their features aren't as sharp. They're just kind of softer

556
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:52,119
and more rounded, kind of pudgy, and they're you know,

557
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,240
they're the way the way they're their weights distributed. So yeah,

558
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:59,519
they definitely aren't. You know, they do change. They're they're

559
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:04,160
not more an instant sharp, scary looking, big mouthed dog

560
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,079
men there. These are these are tiny, little soft puppies

561
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,759
and their appearance and so they look like little monkeys.

562
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,119
Their their faces aren't quite as wide and and their

563
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,880
their snouts aren't as long, and they definitely don't have

564
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,440
the teeth.

565
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:25,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, not yet, but that soon to come. Unfortunately, I

566
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,519
know it's probably too hard to tell just by trying

567
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,880
to take in all this, but I'm gonna ask you anyway,

568
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,559
were you able to see if their body confirmation made

569
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:37,000
it look like they were adapted to ambulate by petally,

570
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,319
or if maybe they looked like they were just adapted

571
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,920
to move around on all fours.

572
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,519
Speaker 3: I don't, I know, I don't. I don't think I

573
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,599
can answer that because their little limbs just didn't look

574
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,279
their their limbs. You know how the adults the back

575
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:56,160
limbs are different than the back the back limbs are

576
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,519
different than the front arm limbs. These guys didn't have

577
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:05,599
that disproportion. These guys looked more like their arms and

578
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,039
their legs were the same length. But like I said,

579
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:12,200
I never got a clear, too clear of a glance

580
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,160
at their actual arms and legs. But they seemed like

581
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,039
they just weren't. You know, they need to grow and

582
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,000
they need to grow into their bodies. No, I think

583
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:25,000
they probably are a little bit handicapped and their ability

584
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:29,000
to travel. They're still you know, they're just still so little.

585
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,640
I don't think they were that old. I just don't

586
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,960
think they were that old yet. You know, there's a

587
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,599
lot of animals in the world that are born and

588
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,640
they hit the ground and can walk because they have to.

589
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,680
That's what. That's what nature requires. And these guys, I

590
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,119
don't know. I don't think they have that quite as

591
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240
much of a start in life. I think they really

592
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,880
need to be nurtured and watched from their parents. I

593
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,000
think they're more helpless than your average animal.

594
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: Well, even so, they're in good hands. I mean, can

595
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,039
you imagine being the one you tried to go in

596
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:04,920
and harm them. That wouldn't be good.

597
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: Oh you ain't getting narrowim with him around?

598
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, or with Ember around, Yeah, that wouldn't

599
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,480
work out very well at all.

600
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: That's true too. Ember doesn't scare me.

601
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,559
Speaker 2: He does well, Yeah, she doesn't frighten you. But imagine

602
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:22,719
trying to hurt her pupps.

603
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,599
Speaker 3: Then she would, Yeah, she wouldn't. I don't think she'd

604
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,280
let me narrow him. I think she's just gonna let

605
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,079
me look at them, and that's all I'm going to get.

606
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,320
So no, I wouldn't attempt that. I'm not. No, I'm

607
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,079
not that stupid.

608
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, Kim, I'm think of a

609
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,119
good reason why she lets you see her, why she

610
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,559
lets you see the pups. It's because she knows you're

611
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:44,880
not going to try to hurt her, especially try to

612
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,960
hurt her puffs. So it doesn't surprise me she did.

613
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,519
It really doesn't. What kind of thoughts were rolling through

614
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,519
your head around in your head that night? Did you

615
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:55,559
get a wink of sleep?

616
00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: No? No, No, I didn't. I I really didn't. I

617
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:03,239
was I was so excited, and I went out to

618
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,280
my mom's and I was on my way to my

619
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,840
mom's and I got out to her house and she

620
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,639
kept saying, what's wrong with you? Why are you so quiet?

621
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,960
Because I couldn't tell her. I just I couldn't. I

622
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,320
just yeah, it kept me this stray. And then I

623
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,360
went to work the next day. And even though I

624
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,199
have a one one friend at work that kind of

625
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,679
is a cryptid fan and that kind of thing, and

626
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,360
I've talked to them about my experiences, I just yeah.

627
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,039
I was reeling for several days because I didn't believe

628
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:34,840
it to begin with, and I felt privileged on top

629
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,000
of that, and I just I was just ecstatic. I

630
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,880
was happy. I mean, it was really cool. It was

631
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,320
like seeing your friend's new baby, you.

632
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,039
Speaker 2: Know, well, yeah, times one hundred, My my.

633
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,639
Speaker 3: My, my, uh my, god, my god, children.

634
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,519
Speaker 2: You're God dog man or I don't know, how you.

635
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: Put I don't know what. How do you how would

636
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,880
you termin how would you term that?

637
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:05,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question there for anyone listening. If

638
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,280
you have any questions that you want me to ask him,

639
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,679
please type them in all caps. That way I don't

640
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,480
miss them. I appreciate it. Did you go out the

641
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,320
next day trying to see him b again and her pups?

642
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: No? No, no, because I don't want to wear out

643
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,760
my welcome. It took me months to get to see

644
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,519
her to begin with. I don't want her to think

645
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,039
that that's all I do, so I've given up on that.

646
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,079
I won't pursue her again. I probably won't pursue her

647
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,679
again after my experience tonight on the way home. But

648
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,920
we'll see, I mean, we'll see. The future just you know,

649
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:42,320
is an open open book. Yeah, that it is.

650
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,599
Speaker 2: And the great thing, like I said, is you don't

651
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,840
have to rush or anything. You can take your time

652
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,440
and really think it through to decide how you want

653
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,159
to handle that. Do you want to go back out

654
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,639
sometime down the road and see if you can see

655
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:57,440
her again or not? So that's no pressing matter there.

656
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,360
When you told your friend who's in there, I'm sure

657
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,239
you told him about Timber, But did you break the

658
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,639
news about the puppies to him or her as well?

659
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:12,559
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I got a lot of silence and looks

660
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:18,360
of disbelief, but that person did listen. I got tolerated.

661
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,119
I'm not sure if you believed me or not.

662
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if he doesn't believe you, then that's a

663
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:26,159
Hymn problem, not a U problem.

664
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: That kind of how I feel about it.

665
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. Do you understand that? It really is?

666
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,639
Speaker 3: I really don't care what anybody thinks.

667
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:39,039
Speaker 2: That's good, that's a good policy to have. It really is,

668
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,159
What are you going to do of sometime down the

669
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,840
road here in the near future, even she pays you

670
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,920
a visit with those pups intil at your home.

671
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: Ah, call you and I'll tell you about it.

672
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,039
Speaker 2: Well, I'd love to hear about it. Is that something

673
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,960
that you've put any thought into the possibility that might happen?

674
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a possibility, But there's always

675
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,280
the possibility that's the last time I ever get to

676
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,800
see her too. I mean, that's just how the world

677
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,599
world rolls, you know. They may take off and go

678
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,480
somewhere else. Maybe that's what she was doing. Maybe she

679
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,079
came to tell me goodbye. She's like, here's the kids,

680
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,079
you know, see you later.

681
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, Kim, Even if you don't go out

682
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,159
actively looking for Ember, I've just got this feeling that

683
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:29,440
that road where you saw her, you're coming back from

684
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,760
your mom's house. Well you've got to travel that road

685
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,519
in the future anyway. So who's to say that she's

686
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:36,679
not going to force another sight thing to happen. I'd

687
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,760
be surprised if you don't see her again sometime.

688
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: You're probably right, I would. It wouldn't shock me. I mean,

689
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,679
it would be a nice surprise. And I don't know.

690
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,079
It just every time I see her it's like a

691
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:55,360
whole new thing, you know. It's like I've never seen

692
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,719
her before. Every time I see her, it's a whole

693
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,239
new experience, even though I know the others happened. Each

694
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,880
time it happens, it's like, you know, that's that's the thing, right,

695
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,559
I've been in there that that moment. So we'll see, uh,

696
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:10,119
I don't know.

697
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, time won't tell. She sure does seem to

698
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:16,280
be taken by you. So that's why I say, I

699
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,559
just would be astonished if you never have never another sighting,

700
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,079
if you never see her again.

701
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:27,119
Speaker 3: Well, it's like I told you when we interviewed. I've

702
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:31,599
been open minded and skeptical the whole time I've had

703
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:35,000
these experiences. But I definitely believe in the mind speak

704
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,920
at this point because I really feel like she came

705
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:41,400
back because I was looking for and I think she

706
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:45,239
heard it or felt it or just knew it. These

707
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,159
guys have abilities and uh things that we're just never

708
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,480
going to know, you know, we're never going to understand.

709
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,039
They're they're more advanced than us than other in some

710
00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:00,360
ways and not as advanced in others, so you know knows.

711
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,840
But yeah, I believe in the mind speaking. I believe

712
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,960
in the fact that they do. They are attracted to

713
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,039
certain people. I mean, their animals are attracted to me

714
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:12,800
in general. I'm not a dog whisper or anything like that,

715
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,760
but some people that I know have had you know,

716
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,480
angry more. How do you say? What am I just

717
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,079
dogs that just don't take to people, and they take

718
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,519
to me. And of course all these cats. I have

719
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:29,559
more cats. I don't even own a cat, but I

720
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,239
have lots of cats. They sleep on my porch, on

721
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,440
my trampoline, on my lawn chairs. I've got cats every morning.

722
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,199
There's one little cat that wrote that sleeps on my

723
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:43,079
door mat, and I have to say, okay, yolo, because

724
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,559
you know they all have names. You gotta move because

725
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:47,239
I got to get out the door because I can't

726
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,920
open the door. So I just feel like maybe that's

727
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,559
part of it. I'm just a person that the animals

728
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,800
are attracted to. And that's the same case because em

729
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,159
there's an animal when it comes right down to it.

730
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:03,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you, unless she has supernatural qualities, which that's

731
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,960
entirely possible as well. It's hard to say.

732
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's still an animal on some in some

733
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,920
aspect because that's how they live. I mean, look how

734
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,400
they live. They have a hunt deer and you know

735
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,400
they live outside, so they're in the natural world. They

736
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,679
are an animal, regardless of all their other skills or abilities.

737
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, it really is. Well, let's

738
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,920
get some to some of these listener questions. The first

739
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,320
one up is from Glenn Kamada, and Glenn wants to

740
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,679
know if the puffs had tufts on their ears.

741
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 3: Tufts on their ears, No, I don't. Well, if they did,

742
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,320
the ears weren't sticking up on Amber, her ears stick

743
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,559
up and she and the tufts are like little flags

744
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,719
on top. The baby's ears aren't straight up, they're not

745
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,280
They're not as substantial as Amber's are yet, so I

746
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,679
don't know if they had tufts or not.

747
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,119
Speaker 2: Well, you can faulnded for that, No need to apologize.

748
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,559
I mean, like I said before several times, you have

749
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,519
so much going through your head. You can't be faulted

750
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,800
for not noticing that. And I'll bet you get money.

751
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,840
They didn't have tufts yet. That's probably something down the

752
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,440
road they're going to form, but at that young age

753
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,639
I highly doubt it. And now we're talking about ears.

754
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,639
Did you notice if Imber had her ears sticking straight

755
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,039
up or laid back.

756
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: Straight up? Well, she laid on back a couple times

757
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,199
trying to dodge the puppies hands, but they were straight

758
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,719
up because she was and straight up and facing towards me,

759
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:45,360
you know, my direction she was. She was listening and

760
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,480
picking up whatever I was trying to give off, so

761
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:49,960
they were straight up.

762
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: I just can't get this image out of my head

763
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:57,159
of those little monsters going after years. Can you imagine

764
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,760
how frustrating that would be? Wow?

765
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you also have to realize how cute it was.

766
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:09,159
They really are cute. And anybody that's lure into trying

767
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:11,639
to catch him one catching one of them, oh my goodness,

768
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:16,760
I can understand why they of course they they wouldn't

769
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,079
get to keep it. Somebody would come and take it away.

770
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,679
But they're they are, They're they're really cute. It'd be tempting.

771
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,519
They're really cute, But you have to realize what they

772
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:29,800
grow into. They grow into that big black thing.

773
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't always stay here, right, One.

774
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 3: Of them is a cold black and I don't know

775
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,519
if they're male or female. I didn't get to see

776
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,599
their you know, their parts. But if that little black

777
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:47,199
one's a male, yeah, yeah, anyway, he.

778
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,679
Speaker 2: Just might turn into an eleven twelve foot or someday.

779
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,800
You never know. And like I told you everyone listening,

780
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,760
you don't know this, but I did mention this to

781
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,880
Kim behind the scenes, that just imagine Ember's obviously taken

782
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,800
by her. There's no debate eating that whatsoever. Well, there's

783
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,920
every possibility, maybe even a probability, that if she keeps

784
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,920
bringing her cubs around, her pups around to see Kim,

785
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,400
that they might grow up having this fascination with Kim

786
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,039
as well. And with that in mind, if maybe the

787
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,840
black one is a male and he grows to full

788
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,679
maturity at eleven twelve feet, she might have an eleven

789
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,880
twelve footer coming to pay her visits down the road.

790
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,360
And that's not going to give you the warm and fuzzies,

791
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,320
but that's a heck of a lot better than having

792
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,199
an eleven to twelve footer that doesn't like you paying

793
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:40,440
you visits. Just something that I wanted to bring up

794
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,199
to remind you of. It's been a while since I

795
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,199
said that to you, but you never know what the

796
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,960
future holds. Let's move on to the next question here.

797
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,800
It's a general question from kaz Va, and he wants

798
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,880
to know do you think that their eyes change based

799
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,840
on the threat level? I don't. People report seeing sh

800
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,199
and color from their eyes their eye shine, but I

801
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,079
think that's nothing more than them looking in one direction

802
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,760
when you're seeing them for the first time, and then

803
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,119
when they look in another direction, the color of their

804
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,079
eye shine changes. You can see that in cats, you

805
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,360
can see that in dogs. I don't know definitively that's

806
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,920
what's going on there. Maybe it is some type of

807
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,159
supernatural quality ability they have to change the color of

808
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,320
their eye shine. I don't know, but that can be

809
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,760
explained away in a natural way. That's just basically what

810
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,079
I'm saying with regards to that. This next question is

811
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:40,800
from Kelly in and Kelly wants to know we're able

812
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,480
to feed the amber and her babies.

813
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't do that. If you start feeding them,

814
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,000
sometimes they start expecting that from you, and that can

815
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,000
be a problem. So I wouldn't even try to do that.

816
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good you know that. It can be a

817
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,400
big problem. This next question is from Diego Fangs in Diego.

818
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:06,559
So that you know, I noticed you asked this question

819
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,360
multiple times, so I deleted some of the spots where

820
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,800
you asked this question. If you ask it just one

821
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,920
time and all caps, I'll notice that and I'll save that,

822
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,239
So please keep that in mind for future notice. But

823
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,679
he wants to know how big was the dog mean

824
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:22,400
that chase to you.

825
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 3: Oh, well, the dog man that chased me to night

826
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:35,079
was a thin one. I'm thinking it was a juvenile.

827
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,039
I would say it was probably five or six feet,

828
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,440
but all I really saw of it was its arms

829
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,119
and legs running. I didn't get a really good look

830
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,079
at its face. I tried, because but I couldn't look

831
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,199
back over my shoulder because I was driving, and I

832
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,079
kept changing it in the angle of my mirror, and

833
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:55,320
I kept trying to see it. I really couldn't see

834
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,079
its head. But running, I'd say it was about five

835
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:01,440
or six feet, because usually it takes a couple of

836
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,840
feet off of them when they're on their all fours,

837
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:06,840
and this one changed, so I'm saying rob five or

838
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,679
six feet. I'm thinking it was a juvenile though, because

839
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,880
it was real it was thinner.

840
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it just might have been. If that's

841
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,639
the size it was, it must have been a juv.

842
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,840
The next question is from Christina Ysterday, and Christina wants

843
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,480
to know, Hi, Kim, you said the babies look like monkeys.

844
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:28,159
Do they have any doggy in futures? Thank you?

845
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, they look like well, monkeys, they don't have

846
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,280
monkey faces. I just was saying that to compare them

847
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,159
their activity, the way they're jumping around and carrying on

848
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,679
and being honre and they just reminded me of a

849
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,440
couple of little monkeys. But no, they have dog man features.

850
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,239
You can tell their dog men. There's no doubt about that.

851
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't doubt that at all. This next one

852
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:57,639
up on deck is from cast Cake and they want

853
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:59,760
to know did you hear any noises made.

854
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: By the p M I kind of think of it. Yeah,

855
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:11,960
a few little squeals, but nothing too notable.

856
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,159
Speaker 2: Can you compare the squeals to any other animals that

857
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:17,599
you know of?

858
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 3: I would say, uh, similar to a couple of larger

859
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:38,840
breed puppies chewing on and wrestling with each other. The Yeah,

860
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,840
those kind of noises.

861
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,639
Speaker 2: Well, I said it before several times, but I'll say

862
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:45,800
it again. I can only imagine what it must have

863
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,760
been like to sit there and watch all this, to

864
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,000
take it in.

865
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:52,679
Speaker 3: In which should lasted longer?

866
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,119
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet you do. This next one's from Kasaki

867
00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:59,360
as well. He wants to know, or she wants to know,

868
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:02,000
was there any lack of noise during the encounter.

869
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,679
Speaker 3: No, No, there's not this big, this big, awesome silence.

870
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:14,639
When I see these guys, the the the nature just

871
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:18,280
seems to go on there. They don't. They don't stop it.

872
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,360
I mean the wind still blows and the leaves still clatter,

873
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:26,159
and you know, no, it doesn't go silent. I know

874
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,320
that's a popular think, and I know what happens, but

875
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,639
not when I see these guys not under a friendly

876
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:35,480
environment like we have.

877
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you and this your interactions have been friendly. Hopefully

878
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,559
stay that way. This next question is from Cascake as well.

879
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:49,039
They want to know how many stone did the little

880
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:50,519
monkeys way? Do you think?

881
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. I don't can't do the stone,

882
00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:05,679
but i'd say they were probably I think they were

883
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:09,639
probably close to maybe twelve pounds each. But that's a guess.

884
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,960
That's a very unprofessional guess.

885
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,159
Speaker 2: Oh, that's all you can do is gues. There's nothing

886
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,119
unprofessional about that. I mean, there's so many things about

887
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,920
these guys we don't know. All you can do is

888
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,199
just destiny things like that. This next question is from

889
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,119
Bang Bang and she wants to know do the pups

890
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:31,079
have adult teeth.

891
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,159
Speaker 3: I couldn't see any teeth. I couldn't see any teeth.

892
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,199
I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't see any teeth.

893
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,159
And they weren't grinning. The adults have this weird grin

894
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,320
they give you. These guys weren't doing that yet.

895
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I mean, you had so much

896
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,079
going through your mind and the thirty six feet away

897
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,559
from you, and they're moving around and all that, it'd

898
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,239
be impossible to see their teeth like that, at least

899
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,960
well enough to tell what type of teeth they had.

900
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,280
That is, if they.

901
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: Really weren't trying to chew on anything. If they were

902
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,079
trying to, like chew on our ears or something, I

903
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,239
might have been able to see something like that. But

904
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,159
they weren't trying to chew on anything.

905
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: I think it's really impressive that you noticed all the

906
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,880
details you did. You did a really good job. You

907
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,159
really did. This next one for you is from Christy

908
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:27,440
Ann and Christy wants to know it's a general question

909
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:31,280
do dog men mate for life or find other mates? Well,

910
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,559
that's a question that you'd have to really have multiple

911
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,960
dog men under close observation for a long period of

912
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,119
time to be able to answer. So yeah, unfortunately, don't

913
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,599
have that answer for you. All we can do is guess.

914
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:51,679
Move into the next question that would be from CASKI. Again,

915
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:56,679
they want to know, did the pups smile at you?

916
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,119
Speaker 3: No, Like I said, the adults have these strange grids

917
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,840
they give you. The pups weren't smiling. The pups weren't

918
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,480
really paying attention to me. They were too busy making

919
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:08,559
their mother crazy.

920
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Sounds like

921
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,159
she had her hands full. This next question for you

922
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:25,280
is from there. It is. Here's some Wargo and Harrison

923
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,960
wants to know what was the impression you got about

924
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,960
their personalities.

925
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 3: The pups. Yes, they definitely were in good shape. They

926
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,280
had lots of energy, and they were andre as the

927
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:45,079
day is long. Yes, but their babies, I mean, that's

928
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,880
all they have to do is play, eat and sleep

929
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,280
and play and whatever. You know, They're definitely just babies.

930
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,639
So yeah, they were bright. They were bright though, I

931
00:52:54,639 --> 00:53:02,480
mean because they were just bothering her ears and each other.

932
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:10,199
Speaker 2: Never dull moment. No, there can't be with those two around,

933
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,679
CASKI also wants to know how many cats do you

934
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:14,639
have in total?

935
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,199
Speaker 3: I don't have any. There's thirty feral cats here that

936
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,480
my son feeds, and then they think they have four

937
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,199
that are house cats of their own.

938
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like your son, like you said, he handles

939
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:32,719
all that. So I didn't think you had any. But

940
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,800
that is a good question.

941
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, I don't. I don't. I don't need any cats.

942
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,480
They volunteer. Volunteer. I have a little Pomeranian and she

943
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:44,800
gets along with it. Matter of fact, she'll run with

944
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,039
the cats. But I don't have I'm not a cat person.

945
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,239
I never knew my son was either until he started

946
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:50,800
doing this.

947
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like he's just a flat out animal person,

948
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,760
which of course that's a good thing he is.

949
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm proud of him. I'm glady, I'm glad

950
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,480
he has that bent to him.

951
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be proud of him. That's admirable. This

952
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,960
next one is from Bug and Bug wants to know

953
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:13,960
have you thought of giving Imber's mate and her baby's names?

954
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, okay, the mate, I just call him big Guy,

955
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:35,039
So he's Guy. Okay, I really Amber is Amber because

956
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:35,880
of her appearance.

957
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: The babies, I just turned them Freakin' freck nothing sentimental.

958
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,599
Speaker 2: Sounds like those are perfect names for him, considering how

959
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:50,239
they're acting.

960
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: Well, there's there's a restaurant here in Kansas City called

961
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,360
Freakin' Frecks, and I really so that was the first

962
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,559
thing that came to mind, was Frick and Frick.

963
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, those are great names. Let's get

964
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,360
to the next question from Wandering Bull three six y nine.

965
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,599
They want to know do you get a sense of

966
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:13,119
human intelligence from the dog men?

967
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: Yes, they're highly intelligent. It's even it's almost even hard

968
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,239
to look them in the eye because you can just

969
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,960
feel it. It's it's just it's just loud. It's just

970
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:31,760
it's just expanse even obvious. Yes, they're very intelligent, and

971
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,960
it's almost frightening. It is frightening, Oh it is.

972
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:39,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the most frightening things about these guys,

973
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,480
how intelligent they are. The next one's from Costca. He

974
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:47,239
wants to know did the pups have tiny monkey raccoon hands?

975
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,679
Speaker 3: They? Yes, they have tiny hands. I didn't get to

976
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:53,800
see the hands very much because they kept they wouldn't

977
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,159
hold still. But they do have tiny they have tiny hands. Yes,

978
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:01,519
they're born with their hands intact because they sure they

979
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,840
sure have a good grip on them, so of course

980
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,280
they'd have to they have to be able to hold

981
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,559
onto her with something. But yeah, they've got hands, little

982
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:09,679
tiny hands.

983
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder when those little dudes sleep.

984
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 3: M what does she sleep? Is what I want to know.

985
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a really good point.

986
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,800
Poor thing. Well, this next one for you is from

987
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:29,000
shalam Shaw and they want to know do you think

988
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:32,960
that the dog men can sense fear aka surge and adrenaline?

989
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: Are you talking about like from me? Oh yeah, they

990
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:46,800
sense everything they that they've got on their energy. Well,

991
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:51,000
just like a dog, they can. They can they recognize

992
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,880
and they pick up on fear. I apologize.

993
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,519
Speaker 2: I apologize, Kim for some reason you're broke up there?

994
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,239
Can you answer that question again for us?

995
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 3: The answers, yes, they they pick up on fear.

996
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: And their master is a causing fear as well.

997
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,119
Speaker 3: But that's yeah, And I think and I think that's

998
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:17,920
a big basis on how they react to you. Because

999
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,480
when I saw the big, big, big guy for the

1000
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:26,159
first time, I was giving off fear and he kind

1001
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:30,039
of acted kind of cocky and you know, to look,

1002
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,239
you know, I'm here, look at me, you know, big

1003
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,960
brownie guy. But this time he wasn't like that. He

1004
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:39,760
was totally different. Because I'm not afraid of him Ian.

1005
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,119
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he knew from the earlier

1006
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:46,719
interaction that you're no threat to him or to Imber

1007
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,079
or to her pups or anything of the sort. So

1008
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:52,480
I think that's probably why he was more laid back

1009
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,920
this time. Could be wrong, but that's just my opinion.

1010
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,159
Got another really good question for you from Mary and

1011
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,880
Mary wants to know have you ever had any dreams

1012
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:03,920
about Ember?

1013
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:08,039
Speaker 3: No? No, I haven't, but if I had it, I

1014
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:08,960
wouldn't be surprised.

1015
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:13,679
Speaker 2: Well down the road you might have some. It's hard

1016
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:18,320
to say. Let's come up. That's right, let's get to

1017
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,079
the last question here of the night for you. It's

1018
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,599
from deal Mansfield and Deale wants to know, Kim, do

1019
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:25,920
you think Imber saw you?

1020
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:31,039
Speaker 3: Oh? I know, definitely she saw me. We make eye contact.

1021
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons why he was asking

1022
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,559
that is obviously she had her hands full with the puppies.

1023
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 3: But from the way you describe it, no, she knew

1024
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:42,440
I was there.

1025
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:44,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1026
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: From the way you described everything, I got the impression

1027
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,400
that she was looking at you for the duration of

1028
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,519
the whole experience. Don't want to jump to conclusions, but

1029
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:54,800
I got the feeling that was the case.

1030
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she saw me. Just look like I said,

1031
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,280
we made eye contact.

1032
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure she did. I'll bet she was glad

1033
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:05,719
to see you.

1034
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: Also, well, I don't know about that, but yeah, I know,

1035
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,039
I know she knew I was there.

1036
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she was, but that's

1037
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,719
also a guess, so we don't know for sure. Well,

1038
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:21,199
before we get out of here, Kim, do you have

1039
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:25,840
any closing comments you want to put out there for us?

1040
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:30,039
Speaker 3: Ah, just don't be surprised what you're going to see

1041
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:31,800
in the woods are along the roads, because you just

1042
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:32,239
never know.

1043
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,719
Speaker 2: Isn't that the truth? Never a dull moment?

1044
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: No, never is never know.

1045
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,719
Speaker 2: With all the experiences you had, really does make you

1046
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,679
wonder what's next. It really does. Hopefully nothing but good

1047
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:53,840
experiences and no more experiences with that strange blonde one.

1048
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:01,039
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, that's that's weird. I cant it

1049
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:04,239
was weird too, But anyway, I just had to wait

1050
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,480
and see, hopefully not. I really don't want to.

1051
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. Yeah, it really makes me wonder

1052
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,199
if that was all about. But having said that, Kim,

1053
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,400
I can't thank you enough for coming back. I really

1054
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,400
do hope that you don't have any more negative experiences.

1055
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,239
Like I said, but if you have any experiences period,

1056
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:24,800
and especially if you need help with them, please do

1057
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:26,800
let me know because I'll be there for you.

1058
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: Think, Vick.

1059
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,079
Speaker 2: Well, you're welcome. Thanks again so much for coming back

1060
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:36,360
on of course, and have a great night.

1061
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 3: Bye.

1062
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:43,079
Speaker 2: All right, that's another one in the books. I can't

1063
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:45,159
thank you guys enough for listening to the show and

1064
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:48,119
supporting the eyewitnesses the way you do. Of course, if

1065
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:51,239
you happen to be an eyewitness yourself, if you want

1066
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:54,079
to speak with me about your encounter because you need help,

1067
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,800
or if you just want to be a guest on

1068
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,840
the show, please go to dogmandancounters dot com and some

1069
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,440
mid a report. If you do that, then I'll be

1070
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,559
more than happy to contact you and schedule a phone

1071
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,519
consultation with you. So please keep that in mind. And

1072
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,800
of course, if we do speak about your encounter, if

1073
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,639
you need help with that experience, there's never any pressure

1074
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:16,880
to come on the show. That's something where if you

1075
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,239
want to do a show, we can definitely do one,

1076
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,800
but there's never any pressure to do that. But having

1077
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,360
said that, thanks again so much for listening everyone, and

1078
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:26,599
have a great night.