Speaker 1: At a book.
Speaker 2: Hey everyone, thanks so much as always for joining us
for another episode of dog Mean Encounters Radio. Really appreciate
you listening. Wow, where do I start? If you listen
to episodes three ninety nine, for eighty eight and five
thirty eight, you'll listen to tonight's guest come on and
talk about the several dog men sightings and encounters that
she's had, or I should say, more accurately, dog woman
encounters that she's had with a dog woman that she
affectionately calls Imber. Of course, I'm talking about Kim. While
originally had planned bring Kim on here and just do
a pretty traditional interview with her so she could catch
you up and bring you up to speed on this
most the stunning, most recent experience that she had with them,
this sighting. But Wow, earlier this evening, Kim had an
experience that she never would have expected to have. I'm
not going to get into the details, of course, I'm
gonna let Kim do that for you. But when she
contacted me about an hour ago to bring up to
speed and let me know what happened, it blew me away.
I really wasn't expecting that. Well, without any further Ado.
Let's get her in here now. Kim, thanks so much
for coming back.
Speaker 3: Hi, Vick, glad to be back.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great having you, it is, Kim. For anyone
listening who missed those episodes episodes three ninety nine, four
eighty eight, and five thirty eight, please give them a
brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 3: M Well, are you talking about the actual episodes or
just me, just.
Speaker 2: You, whatever you'd like to tell them about yourself.
Speaker 3: I'm a single woman. I'm over sixty, so I'm a
senior at this point. I am retired nurse, and I
work part time as a sound therapist, which is kind
of an unusual occupation. And I live in a and
I live in a in my motor home, and I
just pretty much spend my time with my little dog
and going to work and going to take care of
my elderly mother. My life's not very exciting except for
when I run into Amber. Are the others?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say right there, it makes it more than
exciting enough. I'd say too exciting, especially when you consider
what happened this evening. Only Cow if you could bring
the Oh, I'm sorry, please continue.
Speaker 3: You didn't tell me you were going to bring that up. Okay,
if you don't.
Speaker 2: Want to talk about it, then we don't have to.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's okay, because it's gonna well, yeah, it's okay.
Might as well include it because it's going to change
my aspects a little bit from for the future.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it will, you understandably. So well, if you're
sure you're okay talking about it, then please tell everyone
listening what happened earlier today.
Speaker 3: Gosh talk talk about a total surprise. And I couldn't.
I could not get it straight in my head that
I was going to talk to Vic tonight and this happened.
Was coming back from my my my older mothers had
gone out to dinner to celebrate her wedding anniversary, just
her and them. Shot. My dad's no longer with us.
But anyway, I'm on a road that isn't quite I
developed paved road. It's just just black asphalts, no concrete curves, stitches. Anyway,
this thing, creature, person at dog man whatever, came out
of the woods and chased my car tonight, and I
could tell what it was because of its feet in
its hands. I've seen enough of these creatures now that
I know what a dog man looks like there's no
I would never say, oh, it's a bear or it's
a this, But in my mind, I was trying to
tell myself it was a deer that maybe had gone
crazy and was running down the road. I saw the
feet and I saw the hands. I could not I
kept I couldn't turn my head far enough back to
see this thing because I was driving. But I could
see it in my little tiny h were left mirror.
I could see its feet. First it was on all fours,
then it stood up on two, and then it got
back down on fours all fours and disappeared again because
a car came up behind me. But it chased me
for maybe three or four blocks, and then it went
back into the woods. But I know this was a
dog man, and it was a blonde red color. It's
nobody I've ever seen before. When the car came up
behind me, it got up closer to me and I
for the next four or five miles, it kept flashing
it slights at me, and I just kept going because
I wasn't going to stop. But anyway, I was chased
by a dog man. Tonight had to been could have
been anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it had to be one too, when
you consider what you just reported about seeing how fast
were you going, Kim when it was transitioning from fours
to two's back to fours.
Speaker 3: This is thirty miles an hour. It's a rule suburban
road and that's the speed limit.
Speaker 2: Well, because these guys, well I'm sorry, please continue.
Speaker 3: I know they can run fast, but it was just
kind of loping along, and I think it just kind
of stunned me. My natural reactions probably should have been
a speed off, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, considering your past experiences with these guys, I mean,
you didn't have any reason to be too freaked out,
but this one could have presented quite a bit of danger.
It's hard to say all though. If you're doing thirty,
it definitely could have caught you. And you told me
that you're in a ragtop, so I know you.
Speaker 3: Volkswagen Nubeetle ragtop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you thought that when we first spoke about this earlier.
You thought that you're even more vulnerable while being in
that ragtop. But like I told you, they could peel
the roof off of a hard top like a tin
can if they really wanted to get you. But yeah,
that one, for whatever reason, was just trying to torment Sho.
I don't need to tell you that you already know,
but I don't know why it was trying to torment you.
I want to put this out there for everyone listening.
This is something that I shared with Kim before we
started recording here. It's just one of those quirky things.
I mean, as far as quirky things go when it
comes to dog men, it's a mile long list. But
one of the quirky things about dog men that you
need to understand if you're one of the people who
listens to the show and think it would be so
need to head out into the woods and try to
investigate one of these things. Of course that's not Kim,
but a lot of people who listen to the show
do try to do that. Something you need to know
and need to be aware of, is for some strange reason.
There's definitely a pattern I've noticed over the years of
talking with so many people, thousands and thousands of dogmen eyewitnesses,
and that includes investigators too. If you go out and
try to investigate dog men, it's not that uncommon. It's
somewhat uncommon, but it's not that uncommon for them to
flip the script and wind up investigating you. That can
come in the form of the dog man that you're
driving miles and miles to go investigate, and it's territory
it coming in and seeking you out at your home.
It can also represent itself and another dog man you've
never seen before showing up at your property that you
never expected to see. I don't know what it is,
but like I said, sometimes when when you investigate dog men,
they flipped the script and decide to investigate you. I
don't know how long it's been, but the most recent
case of that, I had a dog man investigator contact
me pleading me for help. You've got to help me, Vicky,
You've got to help me. A dog man I've been investigating.
It followed me home and knows where I live. It's
here now. So yeah, if you're going to head out
into the woods and try to do that, be warned.
Do you really want to risk having one of these
guys follow you home? Because that's when it really gets real.
But moving on there, Kim, having had this experience earlier on,
how do you think that might affect your interest in
going out and trying to find Imber again to see her.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's too early. It's chearly to know,
because I had just well, as we had discussed when
we did the initial interview, you know, I've kind of
lost my I haven't lost my caution, but I had
lost my fear of Ember and her bunch, and I
just at this time, I just don't know because I
run those streets all the time, and there's a corridor
that they stay in out there where I've encountered them
multiple times. And now I've got this newbie, so there's
more than just Ember and her bunch out there. So
I don't know, Vic, I can't really answer that truthfully.
Speaker 2: Well, this is all so new. I mean, you've got
plenty of time to think about this and decide if
you do want to continue heading out to try to
seek out experiences with Ember in the future. There's no rush,
But whatever you decide, I'm sure it's going to be
the right decision. So you have no concern they're at all.
The last time we spoke before, when you contacted me
about a week ago, Kim, you told me about several
visits you had had by some dog men. You think
that one of those might have been Ember, and another
one might have been that big, frightening meal that always
escorts her. But after we spoke that time, did any
other dogmen pay visits?
Speaker 3: No, only those two, and of course they disappeared months ago,
so no. But honestly, you and I both have had
the feeling that those two were Ember and her mate.
But at this point I really don't know because I
never saw the second one. All I saw was the
big dark one, and I never saw him in the light.
It was always after after the sunset, So I really
don't know. They could have been other dog men, And
if they were, that's just another fright frightening thought for
me to be having, because that means I've got even others.
Let's hope not. I'm just going to keep thinking it
was Ember and her mate.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we talked about the possibility that it is
a different group of dog men that paid you visit.
But the good news in that, if there is good
news to be had when dogmen pay you a visit,
is the fact that, Okay, they know you're there. There's kim.
If they actually know your connection to Ember, but they
saw you, they knew where to find you. If they
wanted to harm you. They've had all these opportunities to
do that, but they haven't, so thank goodness for that.
I know that's only going to bring you so much solace,
But I mean, when it comes to having dog men
paying you visits at your residence, you have to look
for the bright spots anywhere you can get them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now they're gone as far as I know. That's
the bright spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that definitely helps. Hope they never do return, but
you never know. You really don't talking about strange frightening things.
You said that your grandson lives with you now, and
something really unnerving happened related to that. Please talk us
through that.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, my grandson has a tiny, tiny helm here
and somebody busted in the door. But uh, and nothing
was taken except like cat food and dog food. They
didn't take any electronics or anything, so we don't think
it was a neighborhood kid or anything. But we don't
know for sure. But yeah, a busted at the door.
It's been quite a while back, and the only thing
they took was the food, so they had to. Matter
of fact, it was a bad bust and it wasn't
just to bust the door. And they had to replace
the whole doorframe. It had to be completely reinforced and rebuilt.
So whoever it was was pretty serious and was a
pretty good size.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say they must have been. And if they
broke in and all they took was the cat food,
what does that tell you. There's a strong possibility. I
don't want to go there, but it's a strong possibility.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we had cats missing too. There's a
lot of cats around here, and they're all they're all
catch and release feral cats. But my son feeds them,
and he feeds so many of them and they come
to him, they may not come to anybody else. We
had a whole bunch of those disappear. So I was
thinking that maybe when those dog people and dog whatever
they are dog individuals were here, that they had maybe
feasted on some of the neighborhood cats, because everybody that's
missing a cat always comes and asks, my son, have
you seen my cat? Well, there wasn't just our cats
around us, but it was other cats there. There's no
dogs that run this neighborhood. It was just the cats.
But yeah, we had about eight cats disappear that we
know of, so could have it was during that same period,
so it was obvious they were here, maybe eating the cats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like they just might have been. I'm so
sorry to hear that happened. It's awfully impressive that your
son takes care of them that way, because not many
people do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of crazy in that crazy that way. Yeah,
if one's missing, he goes. And there was one cat.
He never did find him. He looked for him for
two months. You know, that's just how he is. All
have names. They don't always have names that make sense
or are very attractive, but they they're all named, every
last one of them.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, he's a good man. Yeah, that's
definition of altruistic right there. All right, Kim, About three
weeks ago, you saw Emburg again and she wasn't alone.
Please take your time telling us a story behind that.
Give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Approximately seventeen days ago, I ran into Amber. I was
on the same I was. I was actually driving on
the same road that I saw her on the very
first time that I ever saw her, but this time
she was on the other side of the road, whereas well,
the first time I saw her she was on the
east this time she was on the west. This is
a squiggly country road. It's just a leftover from before
they started making straight neighborhood roads that it was just
just left and it's just been paved, and it's fairly narrow,
and it's squiggles around. And I have to back up
for a minute. I have to give some background on this.
I have been searching for Ember. I've been searching for
Ember for about two months and well almost three months,
well two and a half months now, but I've already
saw her, so that one half month is wiped off.
But for two months I sought her out because I
drive the same streets all the time. I'm always out there,
and I don't go up and down the streets, you know,
on a daily basis, maybe twice a week or anyway,
and I have been seeking her out. I've been mentally
and verbally calling for her because she was expecting and
I was really hoping to see her and to see
her babies, even if it's for the last time. But anyway,
I'm on the road and I'm driving squiggly Rode and
I'm thinking about Ember, of course, because I always do
when i'm out there, because that's the most obvious place
to think about her. In the first place, I saw
her as I came around in the road that brings
me to the right, and I'm driving straight towards the woods.
There she was. She was about thirty feet away from
the fence that it is fenced. It's just bob wire,
old kind of farm fence. She was way back in
the in the fresh green spring growth, you know how
before everything gets bushy and tall and green and thick,
had the new growth. And she was down on all
fours and her guy was with her. He was behind
her that the same way he was last time I
saw her. He was standing behind her into the trees.
He does not like to show himself to me. But
the thing about Ember was is she has two babies.
They were on her back. She's a bright spot. She's
a very beautiful she's a gray, she's a pretty things.
She's very very noticeable. It'd be hard for her to
hide in the green growth. Whereas that big, the big
black mate, it's not hard for him to hide. He's
he's like Matt Black. He the darkest, darkest, darkest dark
dark you could ever come to, is this guy. But
Amber is just the opposite. She's like a I named
her amber. She's like she's like the glowing flame, the
glowing embers of the fire. She just she shows up,
so I had no way to miss her. And she
never did stand up. She was down, down, down. She
was either on her knees or on her haunches. I
never knew what or how for sure she was she
was positioned because there's green growth all around her. But
she has two babies. They they're cute. One is black
like his daddy, and the other one is a charcoal
gray with a white circle right under its chin, a
perfect almost a perfect white circle. And I never did
get to see their bodies. All I got to see
was the top of them, you know, from their shoulders down.
Maybe it's all I got to see, because they kept
bobbing up and climbing around. They were on her back,
writing kind of like a possum, or like a possum
does the babies right on the back, and they they
had they had nothing to do with me. They didn't
even know I was there. They were too busy playing
with her ears. They kept batting at her ears and
jumping around and switching around and all of this whole
thing only lasted less than maybe four minutes, you know,
the whole thing. I got to see a foot in
a hand, but it was it was just in passing
because when she turned around to leave, the babies did
the opposite. They they slid around and were against her
chest as she as she walked away on all fours.
She never stood up. Not one time did she ever
stand up. So I'm thinking that her position is because
of those babies and that's how she carries them. She
had two breasts that I thought I thought she had
more at one point in time, but she had two
breasts that were activated and I could see them and
she looked okay. She vi kid asked me how her
body looked, and I really couldn't see her. She didn't
stand up, but she looked okay. She didn't look like
she didn't look saggy or baggy or she's looked like
her slender little self. She's gotten taller, she's about a
foot taller. But like I said, I didn't get to
see her because so I don't know how tall she
is now. But the last time I saw her that
she had actually stood up, she was about six foot
And we'll see they looked like a little monkeys there.
The babies look like little monkeys. They're about the size
of a ten to twelve month old human. And she
I had no idea when she could have had them,
but she's they've been gone from if they were visiting me,
they've been gone from my home area for the last
two and a half to three months. So if that
was her, then she's gone off and had these. When
I saw her the day I had the flat tire
and I actually got to see her that she was pregnant.
She just had a little bit around basketball billy, but
it was enough to know that she was pregnant because
the way it was positioned. But she got two little monsters,
and they look like little monkeys. I couldn't tell their
eye color. I guess the eyes were dark. I really
couldn't tell their eye color. They were just kept bouncing around.
I'm moving. I could see their little ears. The ears
are a little different than the adults. They're they're not
quite as straight up on top. They're probably just not established,
you know how some dog's ears get stronger as they
get older and stand up higher. I think these little
ones just they're just ears, just aren't standing up yet,
but they look like a little monkeys. And there were
just two and I couldn't tell if they were boys
or girls because I never got to saw that part.
I got to see that part of their body. But
they they're sure cute. They're sure cute. Anyway, that's pretty
much my story. He the male made a noise just
like he did before, and she said, who, I gotta go,
and that's when they left. And like I said, this
whole thing was maybe four minutes if I was lucky,
and I did stop with my car running because I
was just in shock and thrilled and just I had
to see. And no, you can't take pictures of this stuff, guys,
you just can't. It don't work. If I moved it,
reached for touched or changed anything, it would probably scare
her off. And I'm just not going to risk that.
So the only person that has the photographs of them
is me and my brain. But I feel so lucky
and privileged, and she's just as beautiful as ever. And
these if these things are real, and they're just like us.
They just want to survive. So that's what these guys
are out there doing, surviving with their little family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a definition of scratching out a living unintended.
Of course, how close was Imbertilla when you first saw her?
Speaker 3: She's about thirty feet from the fence. They were back,
They were back quite a ways.
Speaker 2: If she was thirty feet from the fence, how close
were you to the fence.
Speaker 3: You're probably six feet from the fence because I was
in the road.
Speaker 2: So you were close to it, really close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really close to her. Like I said,
I came around the curve and there she was. But
I've been seriously looking for her now for quite a while,
so wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really close now. Just so I'm clear
on this, was she on the driver's side of your
car or the passenger side.
Speaker 3: She's on the driver's side.
Speaker 2: On the driver's side, so you had your window down,
You're looking at your driver's side window, and she's literally
thirty six feet away. Was it a windy day or
pretty calm or somewhere.
Speaker 3: Between semi rainey? It's been, we've been and we've had
Seattle weather here for quite a while. We still, as
a matter of fact, we did today. These guys see
to be active on rainy days. I don't understand it.
But yeah, it had been a rainy day. It wasn't
raining at that point in time, but it had rained,
not hard, no storms, just rain, just soft spring rain.
Speaker 2: Well, what you just said there, Kim, bring something else
to mind I need to address. I've spoken with people
who have these things around their homes. Some people live
way out and they've had interactions with these guys and
they do things to quote unquote protect themselves from the
dog and they're around. Well, one of the ideas that
I've heard put out there, where they say they do
this or do that or protect themselves. One of the
things they do, mistakenly is they'll wait until it's really
nasty if they have to go out. For example, if
there's a really nasty snowstorm and they forgot to take
the trash out, and they think, okay, well, I'll just
wait until it gets nastier, supposed to get nastier later on,
I'll just take the trash out. Then, understand, these guys
are a scene in some of the nastiest conditions just
because it's snowing and blowing or it's a really bad thunderstorm.
Don't think for a second that these guys aren't out
and about because of the nasty conditions. Don't think that,
because there have been plenty of encounters reported where people
saw them under conditions like that. But if you think
about it being a predator, that's when the hunting's it's best.
Because if you're a prey animal and you're bedded down
like a deer, for example, because of the snowing and blowing,
or if it's a real bad thunderstorm and you've got
all that ring coming down and all that wind, you
can sneak up on a deer and it's never going
to hear you. So yeah, if you do have these
guys around, don't think for a second that because it's
nasty out that you can go check the mail, you
can go take the trash out, because they're not going
to be around. That's just not how it is. So
I just wanted to bring that to your attention. Moving on, Kim,
did she seemed did Ember seem to be annoyed by
the pups doing all that on her back, messing with
her ears?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, she kept this. Let's see the one
that was just okay, so that's her her left side,
the one that was behind her left ear. She kept
reaching up and taking its paw off of her ear.
Poor thing, Yeah, poor thing. They're sure cute, brick, They're
unbelievably cute. Unbelievably cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cute, but a handful. It sounds like. Yeah, yeah,
there was one guy who found the one by itself
and he made the mistake of trying to pick it up,
and I guess it bit him.
Speaker 3: Well, these guys were healthy, so they probably would bite
somebody that tried to go after him. Of course, that's
their natural instinct. These are wild animals.
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt. He'd be crazy to try to do that,
especially to think there wouldn't be any blowback from doing that.
Were the puffs smooth or jerky in their movements?
Speaker 3: Uh? Smooth or jerky? No, not jerky, just bouncey. They
didn't seem to be uncoordinated, if that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, sounds like they're off to a good start.
I can only imagine what everyone must go through trying
to keep him in check. Can you imagine two of them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got her hands full, So does he?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd say so. Speaking of him, I know when
he saw him for the first time, when he was
escorting Imber. He looked put off when he saw you
come to visit, basically to visit Embers what you're doing.
Did he look put off this time as well?
Speaker 3: No, but he did let him stay long. He gave
the signal and off they went. No, he just stood there,
and of course, like I told you when we interviewed,
I had to keep an eye on him, and I
kept trying to look at her and watch the puppies
at the same time, puppies, pufps, whatever they are, and
watch them all. It was quite an adventure to try
to take all that observation in. He pretty much just
stayed back in the trees like he always does. He's
probably four feet behind her, maybe that's a guess. That's
probably not even accurate. But he doesn't come out. He
stands behind it. He stands up behind the trees and
likes to peer up over the limbs at you. He
wants you to know how tall he is. He wasn't
down at all fours and being humble like her. He
was all stood up tall and just looked at me
and looked at Ember, and pretty soon he just made
the signal and off they went. She turned around and
they left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with him around. I'm sure security is not a
problem at all. I'm sure he has got that well
in hand. Did the pups seem to have any trouble
clinging to imber?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, I don't think so. They were. They
kept climbing up her back. The one fell off and
she kind of reached around and I could see where
she took took her hand and scooped his little button
put him back on her back. So they might within
their antics, they might lose their grip and fall off,
would be my guess.
Speaker 2: What really makes me wonder about this is I know
they can definitely use their hands to cling on to her,
but if they're moving around from her shoulders down around
to her chest, I wonder if they're using their feet too.
Could you tell?
Speaker 3: Well, you have to realize that she if she was,
if she was on all fours, whether she was sitting
on her haunches or not, they have the slope of
her back to be on, so they're not hanging They're
not hanging down where they're going to fall off. They
have the slope of her back to you know, stay on,
So that's not as I don't think it's as difficult
as if she actually were standing up.
Speaker 2: Well, no, definitely not. But didn't you see the moved
around down to her chest?
Speaker 3: Also, they swung well when she got up. When she
got up, when she turned around to leave, they flipped
around and were on the front. And I couldn't tell
how they were attached then because I couldn't see them anymore.
They were attached on the front. She had them on
the front, So maybe they have a different kind of
grip when she's you know, walking like that. I can't
answer that because I didn't get to see it.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, well, it's understandable. I mean, you're doing the
best you could to take all this in. I mean
I can only imagine what it must have been like
to have those experience that experience there and to try
and take all that in. I mean, my head would
be spinning and spinning right now just trying to think
about what it must have been like. Holy cow, that's intense.
You told us about some of the features that the
pups had, and it makes me think that the answer
to this is going to be yes. I'm gonna ask
you anyway, could you see any features on the pups
that gave them puppy like features? No matter what the
breed of puppy talking about dogs here, no matter what
the breed of puppy or dog is, you can always
tell when you're looking at a puppy because of its features.
Is that the same thing here with these dog men, pups.
Speaker 3: Pufps uh, Puppies aren't Puppies don't have sharp distinct features
like adult dogs do. And these guys are the same way.
They they're just kind of blunted in a way. They're softer,
Their features aren't as sharp. They're just kind of softer
and more rounded, kind of pudgy, and they're you know,
they're the way the way they're their weights distributed. So yeah,
they definitely aren't. You know, they do change. They're they're
not more an instant sharp, scary looking, big mouthed dog
men there. These are these are tiny, little soft puppies
and their appearance and so they look like little monkeys.
Their their faces aren't quite as wide and and their
their snouts aren't as long, and they definitely don't have
the teeth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not yet, but that soon to come. Unfortunately, I
know it's probably too hard to tell just by trying
to take in all this, but I'm gonna ask you anyway,
were you able to see if their body confirmation made
it look like they were adapted to ambulate by petally,
or if maybe they looked like they were just adapted
to move around on all fours.
Speaker 3: I don't, I know, I don't. I don't think I
can answer that because their little limbs just didn't look
their their limbs. You know how the adults the back
limbs are different than the back the back limbs are
different than the front arm limbs. These guys didn't have
that disproportion. These guys looked more like their arms and
their legs were the same length. But like I said,
I never got a clear, too clear of a glance
at their actual arms and legs. But they seemed like
they just weren't. You know, they need to grow and
they need to grow into their bodies. No, I think
they probably are a little bit handicapped and their ability
to travel. They're still you know, they're just still so little.
I don't think they were that old. I just don't
think they were that old yet. You know, there's a
lot of animals in the world that are born and
they hit the ground and can walk because they have to.
That's what. That's what nature requires. And these guys, I
don't know. I don't think they have that quite as
much of a start in life. I think they really
need to be nurtured and watched from their parents. I
think they're more helpless than your average animal.
Speaker 2: Well, even so, they're in good hands. I mean, can
you imagine being the one you tried to go in
and harm them. That wouldn't be good.
Speaker 3: Oh you ain't getting narrowim with him around?
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, or with Ember around, Yeah, that wouldn't
work out very well at all.
Speaker 3: That's true too. Ember doesn't scare me.
Speaker 2: He does well, Yeah, she doesn't frighten you. But imagine
trying to hurt her pupps.
Speaker 3: Then she would, Yeah, she wouldn't. I don't think she'd
let me narrow him. I think she's just gonna let
me look at them, and that's all I'm going to get.
So no, I wouldn't attempt that. I'm not. No, I'm
not that stupid.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, Kim, I'm think of a
good reason why she lets you see her, why she
lets you see the pups. It's because she knows you're
not going to try to hurt her, especially try to
hurt her puffs. So it doesn't surprise me she did.
It really doesn't. What kind of thoughts were rolling through
your head around in your head that night? Did you
get a wink of sleep?
Speaker 3: No? No, No, I didn't. I I really didn't. I
was I was so excited, and I went out to
my mom's and I was on my way to my
mom's and I got out to her house and she
kept saying, what's wrong with you? Why are you so quiet?
Because I couldn't tell her. I just I couldn't. I
just yeah, it kept me this stray. And then I
went to work the next day. And even though I
have a one one friend at work that kind of
is a cryptid fan and that kind of thing, and
I've talked to them about my experiences, I just yeah.
I was reeling for several days because I didn't believe
it to begin with, and I felt privileged on top
of that, and I just I was just ecstatic. I
was happy. I mean, it was really cool. It was
like seeing your friend's new baby, you.
Speaker 2: Know, well, yeah, times one hundred, My my.
Speaker 3: My, my, uh my, god, my god, children.
Speaker 2: You're God dog man or I don't know, how you.
Speaker 3: Put I don't know what. How do you how would
you termin how would you term that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question there for anyone listening. If
you have any questions that you want me to ask him,
please type them in all caps. That way I don't
miss them. I appreciate it. Did you go out the
next day trying to see him b again and her pups?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, because I don't want to wear out
my welcome. It took me months to get to see
her to begin with. I don't want her to think
that that's all I do, so I've given up on that.
I won't pursue her again. I probably won't pursue her
again after my experience tonight on the way home. But
we'll see, I mean, we'll see. The future just you know,
is an open open book. Yeah, that it is.
Speaker 2: And the great thing, like I said, is you don't
have to rush or anything. You can take your time
and really think it through to decide how you want
to handle that. Do you want to go back out
sometime down the road and see if you can see
her again or not? So that's no pressing matter there.
When you told your friend who's in there, I'm sure
you told him about Timber, But did you break the
news about the puppies to him or her as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I got a lot of silence and looks
of disbelief, but that person did listen. I got tolerated.
I'm not sure if you believed me or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if he doesn't believe you, then that's a
Hymn problem, not a U problem.
Speaker 3: That kind of how I feel about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. Do you understand that? It really is?
Speaker 3: I really don't care what anybody thinks.
Speaker 2: That's good, that's a good policy to have. It really is,
What are you going to do of sometime down the
road here in the near future, even she pays you
a visit with those pups intil at your home.
Speaker 3: Ah, call you and I'll tell you about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'd love to hear about it. Is that something
that you've put any thought into the possibility that might happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a possibility, But there's always
the possibility that's the last time I ever get to
see her too. I mean, that's just how the world
world rolls, you know. They may take off and go
somewhere else. Maybe that's what she was doing. Maybe she
came to tell me goodbye. She's like, here's the kids,
you know, see you later.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Kim, Even if you don't go out
actively looking for Ember, I've just got this feeling that
that road where you saw her, you're coming back from
your mom's house. Well you've got to travel that road
in the future anyway. So who's to say that she's
not going to force another sight thing to happen. I'd
be surprised if you don't see her again sometime.
Speaker 3: You're probably right, I would. It wouldn't shock me. I mean,
it would be a nice surprise. And I don't know.
It just every time I see her it's like a
whole new thing, you know. It's like I've never seen
her before. Every time I see her, it's a whole
new experience, even though I know the others happened. Each
time it happens, it's like, you know, that's that's the thing, right,
I've been in there that that moment. So we'll see, uh,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, time won't tell. She sure does seem to
be taken by you. So that's why I say, I
just would be astonished if you never have never another sighting,
if you never see her again.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like I told you when we interviewed. I've
been open minded and skeptical the whole time I've had
these experiences. But I definitely believe in the mind speak
at this point because I really feel like she came
back because I was looking for and I think she
heard it or felt it or just knew it. These
guys have abilities and uh things that we're just never
going to know, you know, we're never going to understand.
They're they're more advanced than us than other in some
ways and not as advanced in others, so you know knows.
But yeah, I believe in the mind speaking. I believe
in the fact that they do. They are attracted to
certain people. I mean, their animals are attracted to me
in general. I'm not a dog whisper or anything like that,
but some people that I know have had you know,
angry more. How do you say? What am I just
dogs that just don't take to people, and they take
to me. And of course all these cats. I have
more cats. I don't even own a cat, but I
have lots of cats. They sleep on my porch, on
my trampoline, on my lawn chairs. I've got cats every morning.
There's one little cat that wrote that sleeps on my
door mat, and I have to say, okay, yolo, because
you know they all have names. You gotta move because
I got to get out the door because I can't
open the door. So I just feel like maybe that's
part of it. I'm just a person that the animals
are attracted to. And that's the same case because em
there's an animal when it comes right down to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you, unless she has supernatural qualities, which that's
entirely possible as well. It's hard to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's still an animal on some in some
aspect because that's how they live. I mean, look how
they live. They have a hunt deer and you know
they live outside, so they're in the natural world. They
are an animal, regardless of all their other skills or abilities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, it really is. Well, let's
get some to some of these listener questions. The first
one up is from Glenn Kamada, and Glenn wants to
know if the puffs had tufts on their ears.
Speaker 3: Tufts on their ears, No, I don't. Well, if they did,
the ears weren't sticking up on Amber, her ears stick
up and she and the tufts are like little flags
on top. The baby's ears aren't straight up, they're not
They're not as substantial as Amber's are yet, so I
don't know if they had tufts or not.
Speaker 2: Well, you can faulnded for that, No need to apologize.
I mean, like I said before several times, you have
so much going through your head. You can't be faulted
for not noticing that. And I'll bet you get money.
They didn't have tufts yet. That's probably something down the
road they're going to form, but at that young age
I highly doubt it. And now we're talking about ears.
Did you notice if Imber had her ears sticking straight
up or laid back.
Speaker 3: Straight up? Well, she laid on back a couple times
trying to dodge the puppies hands, but they were straight
up because she was and straight up and facing towards me,
you know, my direction she was. She was listening and
picking up whatever I was trying to give off, so
they were straight up.
Speaker 2: I just can't get this image out of my head
of those little monsters going after years. Can you imagine
how frustrating that would be? Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you also have to realize how cute it was.
They really are cute. And anybody that's lure into trying
to catch him one catching one of them, oh my goodness,
I can understand why they of course they they wouldn't
get to keep it. Somebody would come and take it away.
But they're they are, They're they're really cute. It'd be tempting.
They're really cute, But you have to realize what they
grow into. They grow into that big black thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't always stay here, right, One.
Speaker 3: Of them is a cold black and I don't know
if they're male or female. I didn't get to see
their you know, their parts. But if that little black
one's a male, yeah, yeah, anyway, he.
Speaker 2: Just might turn into an eleven twelve foot or someday.
You never know. And like I told you everyone listening,
you don't know this, but I did mention this to
Kim behind the scenes, that just imagine Ember's obviously taken
by her. There's no debate eating that whatsoever. Well, there's
every possibility, maybe even a probability, that if she keeps
bringing her cubs around, her pups around to see Kim,
that they might grow up having this fascination with Kim
as well. And with that in mind, if maybe the
black one is a male and he grows to full
maturity at eleven twelve feet, she might have an eleven
twelve footer coming to pay her visits down the road.
And that's not going to give you the warm and fuzzies,
but that's a heck of a lot better than having
an eleven to twelve footer that doesn't like you paying
you visits. Just something that I wanted to bring up
to remind you of. It's been a while since I
said that to you, but you never know what the
future holds. Let's move on to the next question here.
It's a general question from kaz Va, and he wants
to know do you think that their eyes change based
on the threat level? I don't. People report seeing sh
and color from their eyes their eye shine, but I
think that's nothing more than them looking in one direction
when you're seeing them for the first time, and then
when they look in another direction, the color of their
eye shine changes. You can see that in cats, you
can see that in dogs. I don't know definitively that's
what's going on there. Maybe it is some type of
supernatural quality ability they have to change the color of
their eye shine. I don't know, but that can be
explained away in a natural way. That's just basically what
I'm saying with regards to that. This next question is
from Kelly in and Kelly wants to know we're able
to feed the amber and her babies.
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't do that. If you start feeding them,
sometimes they start expecting that from you, and that can
be a problem. So I wouldn't even try to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good you know that. It can be a
big problem. This next question is from Diego Fangs in Diego.
So that you know, I noticed you asked this question
multiple times, so I deleted some of the spots where
you asked this question. If you ask it just one
time and all caps, I'll notice that and I'll save that,
So please keep that in mind for future notice. But
he wants to know how big was the dog mean
that chase to you.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, the dog man that chased me to night
was a thin one. I'm thinking it was a juvenile.
I would say it was probably five or six feet,
but all I really saw of it was its arms
and legs running. I didn't get a really good look
at its face. I tried, because but I couldn't look
back over my shoulder because I was driving, and I
kept changing it in the angle of my mirror, and
I kept trying to see it. I really couldn't see
its head. But running, I'd say it was about five
or six feet, because usually it takes a couple of
feet off of them when they're on their all fours,
and this one changed, so I'm saying rob five or
six feet. I'm thinking it was a juvenile though, because
it was real it was thinner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it just might have been. If that's
the size it was, it must have been a juv.
The next question is from Christina Ysterday, and Christina wants
to know, Hi, Kim, you said the babies look like monkeys.
Do they have any doggy in futures? Thank you?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, they look like well, monkeys, they don't have
monkey faces. I just was saying that to compare them
their activity, the way they're jumping around and carrying on
and being honre and they just reminded me of a
couple of little monkeys. But no, they have dog man features.
You can tell their dog men. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't doubt that at all. This next one
up on deck is from cast Cake and they want
to know did you hear any noises made.
Speaker 3: By the p M I kind of think of it. Yeah,
a few little squeals, but nothing too notable.
Speaker 2: Can you compare the squeals to any other animals that
you know of?
Speaker 3: I would say, uh, similar to a couple of larger
breed puppies chewing on and wrestling with each other. The Yeah,
those kind of noises.
Speaker 2: Well, I said it before several times, but I'll say
it again. I can only imagine what it must have
been like to sit there and watch all this, to
take it in.
Speaker 3: In which should lasted longer?
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet you do. This next one's from Kasaki
as well. He wants to know, or she wants to know,
was there any lack of noise during the encounter.
Speaker 3: No, No, there's not this big, this big, awesome silence.
When I see these guys, the the the nature just
seems to go on there. They don't. They don't stop it.
I mean the wind still blows and the leaves still clatter,
and you know, no, it doesn't go silent. I know
that's a popular think, and I know what happens, but
not when I see these guys not under a friendly
environment like we have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you and this your interactions have been friendly. Hopefully
stay that way. This next question is from Cascake as well.
They want to know how many stone did the little
monkeys way? Do you think?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. I don't can't do the stone,
but i'd say they were probably I think they were
probably close to maybe twelve pounds each. But that's a guess.
That's a very unprofessional guess.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's all you can do is gues. There's nothing
unprofessional about that. I mean, there's so many things about
these guys we don't know. All you can do is
just destiny things like that. This next question is from
Bang Bang and she wants to know do the pups
have adult teeth.
Speaker 3: I couldn't see any teeth. I couldn't see any teeth.
I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't see any teeth.
And they weren't grinning. The adults have this weird grin
they give you. These guys weren't doing that yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I mean, you had so much
going through your mind and the thirty six feet away
from you, and they're moving around and all that, it'd
be impossible to see their teeth like that, at least
well enough to tell what type of teeth they had.
That is, if they.
Speaker 3: Really weren't trying to chew on anything. If they were
trying to, like chew on our ears or something, I
might have been able to see something like that. But
they weren't trying to chew on anything.
Speaker 2: I think it's really impressive that you noticed all the
details you did. You did a really good job. You
really did. This next one for you is from Christy
Ann and Christy wants to know it's a general question
do dog men mate for life or find other mates? Well,
that's a question that you'd have to really have multiple
dog men under close observation for a long period of
time to be able to answer. So yeah, unfortunately, don't
have that answer for you. All we can do is guess.
Move into the next question that would be from CASKI. Again,
they want to know, did the pups smile at you?
Speaker 3: No, Like I said, the adults have these strange grids
they give you. The pups weren't smiling. The pups weren't
really paying attention to me. They were too busy making
their mother crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Sounds like
she had her hands full. This next question for you
is from there. It is. Here's some Wargo and Harrison
wants to know what was the impression you got about
their personalities.
Speaker 3: The pups. Yes, they definitely were in good shape. They
had lots of energy, and they were andre as the
day is long. Yes, but their babies, I mean, that's
all they have to do is play, eat and sleep
and play and whatever. You know, They're definitely just babies.
So yeah, they were bright. They were bright though, I
mean because they were just bothering her ears and each other.
Speaker 2: Never dull moment. No, there can't be with those two around,
CASKI also wants to know how many cats do you
have in total?
Speaker 3: I don't have any. There's thirty feral cats here that
my son feeds, and then they think they have four
that are house cats of their own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like your son, like you said, he handles
all that. So I didn't think you had any. But
that is a good question.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, I don't. I don't. I don't need any cats.
They volunteer. Volunteer. I have a little Pomeranian and she
gets along with it. Matter of fact, she'll run with
the cats. But I don't have I'm not a cat person.
I never knew my son was either until he started
doing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like he's just a flat out animal person,
which of course that's a good thing he is.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm proud of him. I'm glady, I'm glad
he has that bent to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be proud of him. That's admirable. This
next one is from Bug and Bug wants to know
have you thought of giving Imber's mate and her baby's names?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, okay, the mate, I just call him big Guy,
So he's Guy. Okay, I really Amber is Amber because
of her appearance.
Speaker 3: The babies, I just turned them Freakin' freck nothing sentimental.
Speaker 2: Sounds like those are perfect names for him, considering how
they're acting.
Speaker 3: Well, there's there's a restaurant here in Kansas City called
Freakin' Frecks, and I really so that was the first
thing that came to mind, was Frick and Frick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, those are great names. Let's get
to the next question from Wandering Bull three six y nine.
They want to know do you get a sense of
human intelligence from the dog men?
Speaker 3: Yes, they're highly intelligent. It's even it's almost even hard
to look them in the eye because you can just
feel it. It's it's just it's just loud. It's just
it's just expanse even obvious. Yes, they're very intelligent, and
it's almost frightening. It is frightening, Oh it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the most frightening things about these guys,
how intelligent they are. The next one's from Costca. He
wants to know did the pups have tiny monkey raccoon hands?
Speaker 3: They? Yes, they have tiny hands. I didn't get to
see the hands very much because they kept they wouldn't
hold still. But they do have tiny they have tiny hands. Yes,
they're born with their hands intact because they sure they
sure have a good grip on them, so of course
they'd have to they have to be able to hold
onto her with something. But yeah, they've got hands, little
tiny hands.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder when those little dudes sleep.
Speaker 3: M what does she sleep? Is what I want to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a really good point.
Poor thing. Well, this next one for you is from
shalam Shaw and they want to know do you think
that the dog men can sense fear aka surge and adrenaline?
Speaker 3: Are you talking about like from me? Oh yeah, they
sense everything they that they've got on their energy. Well,
just like a dog, they can. They can they recognize
and they pick up on fear. I apologize.
Speaker 2: I apologize, Kim for some reason you're broke up there?
Can you answer that question again for us?
Speaker 3: The answers, yes, they they pick up on fear.
Speaker 2: And their master is a causing fear as well.
Speaker 3: But that's yeah, And I think and I think that's
a big basis on how they react to you. Because
when I saw the big, big, big guy for the
first time, I was giving off fear and he kind
of acted kind of cocky and you know, to look,
you know, I'm here, look at me, you know, big
brownie guy. But this time he wasn't like that. He
was totally different. Because I'm not afraid of him Ian.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he knew from the earlier
interaction that you're no threat to him or to Imber
or to her pups or anything of the sort. So
I think that's probably why he was more laid back
this time. Could be wrong, but that's just my opinion.
Got another really good question for you from Mary and
Mary wants to know have you ever had any dreams
about Ember?
Speaker 3: No? No, I haven't, but if I had it, I
wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2: Well down the road you might have some. It's hard
to say. Let's come up. That's right, let's get to
the last question here of the night for you. It's
from deal Mansfield and Deale wants to know, Kim, do
you think Imber saw you?
Speaker 3: Oh? I know, definitely she saw me. We make eye contact.
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons why he was asking
that is obviously she had her hands full with the puppies.
Speaker 3: But from the way you describe it, no, she knew
I was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: From the way you described everything, I got the impression
that she was looking at you for the duration of
the whole experience. Don't want to jump to conclusions, but
I got the feeling that was the case.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she saw me. Just look like I said,
we made eye contact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure she did. I'll bet she was glad
to see you.
Speaker 3: Also, well, I don't know about that, but yeah, I know,
I know she knew I was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she was, but that's
also a guess, so we don't know for sure. Well,
before we get out of here, Kim, do you have
any closing comments you want to put out there for us?
Speaker 3: Ah, just don't be surprised what you're going to see
in the woods are along the roads, because you just
never know.
Speaker 2: Isn't that the truth? Never a dull moment?
Speaker 3: No, never is never know.
Speaker 2: With all the experiences you had, really does make you
wonder what's next. It really does. Hopefully nothing but good
experiences and no more experiences with that strange blonde one.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, that's that's weird. I cant it
was weird too, But anyway, I just had to wait
and see, hopefully not. I really don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. Yeah, it really makes me wonder
if that was all about. But having said that, Kim,
I can't thank you enough for coming back. I really
do hope that you don't have any more negative experiences.
Like I said, but if you have any experiences period,
and especially if you need help with them, please do
let me know because I'll be there for you.
Speaker 3: Think, Vick.
Speaker 2: Well, you're welcome. Thanks again so much for coming back
on of course, and have a great night.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 2: All right, that's another one in the books. I can't
thank you guys enough for listening to the show and
supporting the eyewitnesses the way you do. Of course, if
you happen to be an eyewitness yourself, if you want
to speak with me about your encounter because you need help,
or if you just want to be a guest on
the show, please go to dogmandancounters dot com and some
mid a report. If you do that, then I'll be
more than happy to contact you and schedule a phone
consultation with you. So please keep that in mind. And
of course, if we do speak about your encounter, if
you need help with that experience, there's never any pressure
to come on the show. That's something where if you
want to do a show, we can definitely do one,
but there's never any pressure to do that. But having
said that, thanks again so much for listening everyone, and
have a great night.