Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of May nineteenth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Lost, Season two, episode twenty two,
Speaker 1: three minutes, a pretty obscure title which I guess refers
Speaker 1: to the amount of time Michael was given to commune
Speaker 1: with Walt Yes, and yet he did not get three
Speaker 1: minutes no, so sort of seems like a random title
Speaker 1: that they just kind of threw on there. We need
Speaker 1: a title. What are we going to do?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know how about this right? This episode was.
Speaker 4: Busy, Yeah, I mean you.
Speaker 1: Had to be on your toes because it was like there.
Speaker 2: Weren't flashbacks to you know, some distant pass but there
Speaker 2: were just flashbacks ricocheting among today, three days ago, ten
Speaker 2: days ago, thirteen days ago, all these intervals, and.
Speaker 4: If you were not paying attention.
Speaker 2: And reading the screen every few minutes when they announced this,
Speaker 2: you might not.
Speaker 4: Realize what was going on.
Speaker 2: The old Yes, I believe that they had Michael shoot
Speaker 2: himself in the shoulders so that in the scenes where
Speaker 2: he had a sling on, you knew that was today
Speaker 2: the present day, a.
Speaker 1: Big white sling, so you can't miss it. You can't go, well,
Speaker 1: it is this armin A sling. Oh no, it's like
Speaker 1: a flashing neon sign saying present or relatively present or
Speaker 1: now ish or something. Yep, but it does fill in
Speaker 1: for us what happened between when Michael left in search
Speaker 1: of Walt and came back and shot people. So as
Speaker 1: we had predicted, they told him that if they got
Speaker 1: he got Henry out, then they would give him Walt,
Speaker 1: which why on earth would you trust those people?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And then at the last second, oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: we also want four other people.
Speaker 4: We want you to we want you to.
Speaker 2: Free Henry, not Henry, and we also want you to
Speaker 2: deliver us these four other people and then we'll let
Speaker 2: you and walk go.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I don't know. Then Michael's well, exactly what happens,
Speaker 1: then I'll take.
Speaker 4: A boat also please.
Speaker 1: Yes, They're like, hey, he's supposed to use as an excuse, Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go We're gonna go get these others. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go attack them, We're gonna go whatever. We're gonna
Speaker 1: bring a band of people to take over or something
Speaker 1: which he can get away with when the list is Jack, Kate,
Speaker 1: Sawyer and anybody else. Right, But it was excuse says,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put together a lean, mean, fighting force to
Speaker 1: go get these guys, and we're bringing her a Hurley said, Nope,
Speaker 1: you can't come Jen, Nope, nobody else, just just the
Speaker 1: three of you and Hurley Early. That's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: all you need to here to know that Michael is compromised.
Speaker 1: I mean, good on saying for picking up on that.
Speaker 1: But Harly, he's the one you're gonna go sneaking through
Speaker 1: the jungle with. I mean, I love the guy, but
Speaker 1: he's not the one you pick for this mission or
Speaker 1: any mission unless involves getting food out of someplace. So
Speaker 1: they yeah, that's that. They set him up pretty bad
Speaker 1: with that. Nobody else. Really he should have argued with
Speaker 1: them that. I mean, it was nice that he mentioned
Speaker 1: that he didn't know who James Ford was, But why
Speaker 1: didn't they just write Sawyer down on there? Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they They have known he didn't know, but they have
Speaker 1: their other reasons. It will all become clear eventually, maybe.
Speaker 4: In maybe in years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they don't. They don't let out. But this
Speaker 1: just seems like I'm I mean, we've been watching this
Speaker 1: show long enough to know a bad idea when we
Speaker 1: hear it. Oh buddy, that's not gonna work. You know
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. Why are you doing this? Why
Speaker 1: didn't you just come clean to your friends and tell
Speaker 1: them everything and then you can figure out what to do.
Speaker 1: But he's got to get his son.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even his son is like dad. These people are lying,
Speaker 2: like Walt's trying to warn him, not tell, not to
Speaker 2: fall for anything.
Speaker 1: They say yes, and you know, the woman who's I
Speaker 1: guess in charge of Walt says what attorneys have said previously,
Speaker 1: and what we have said in our commentaries is for
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to kill people and turn over
Speaker 1: everything to get your son, you don't have to know
Speaker 1: a lot about him. It's like you've spent you've been
Speaker 1: actually in charge of him as a father for an
Speaker 1: extremely short period of time, most of it after a
Speaker 1: plane crash. It's not like this devoted your entire life
Speaker 1: to caring for this boy, and now he has been
Speaker 1: rested from your hands. He's like he's been mostly nothing
Speaker 1: to you. And I mean not that it's your fault,
Speaker 1: but right unless maybe I mean she did ask did
Speaker 1: he appear places he was? Maybe he was hanging with
Speaker 1: Michael all this time, and Michael just hasn't mentioned it.
Speaker 1: You know, he comes to visit me every week. It's
Speaker 1: real nice. We go to the park and nobody seems
Speaker 1: to be able to see him Invincent. But yeah, what
Speaker 1: a mess. Yeah, that whole thing, what a stupid mess.
Speaker 1: And being that it's coming to the end of the season, especially,
Speaker 1: I think we can predict that nothing good will come.
Speaker 4: Of me.
Speaker 1: When it was over. I told my husband, Okay, I
Speaker 1: have to think of some parenting tips to get out
Speaker 1: of this, And he looked at me and said, there's
Speaker 1: one parent and he's a jackass, which is a little
Speaker 1: harsh on Claire. Claire's a parent. Yeah, we got another one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Claire's like, yes, please, I will inject my
Speaker 2: child with these mystery substances every nine day.
Speaker 1: That's what. Yeah, I mean, I know vaccines are a
Speaker 1: hot topic these days and we don't want to go there,
Speaker 1: but would you inject I have this random thing that
Speaker 1: was found, It was just dropped into the jungle here.
Speaker 1: Why don't you inject it into your small infant child? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yourself if you like, Charlie's been trying it out.
Speaker 1: You know, it's fine, just like that, that seems to
Speaker 1: be I don't think I could. I would want, you know,
Speaker 1: could we get some clinical trials on this right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean it's I guess it's all from back when
Speaker 2: the others had captured her and tried to convince her
Speaker 2: that she needed this.
Speaker 1: And the baby needed that.
Speaker 4: I like, we don't want to believe those people.
Speaker 1: Okay, why are they believing those Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh and I missed where Charlie got it from the
Speaker 2: balloon like food.
Speaker 1: Dropped the drop I think you said from the drop.
Speaker 1: So along with the food came came just a suitcase
Speaker 1: of random things to inject into your bikey, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's fine.
Speaker 4: No problem.
Speaker 1: The people here want nothing but the best for you.
Speaker 1: It's fine, man, people I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: Well clear maybe you know a young and fairly naive parent.
Speaker 4: But every nine.
Speaker 1: Days, that's the part that just what now?
Speaker 4: Every nine days?
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Why does it say that? Somewhere on the
Speaker 1: They're like a little dosage note in that dusty case
Speaker 1: full of god knows what. I don't know, Oh man,
Speaker 1: just weirder and weirder. I feel for her having a
Speaker 1: having a baby in this situation, but we don't we
Speaker 1: don't get enough details about how exactly that's going for her.
Speaker 1: Right What she feeds this, well, man, I guess she breastfeeds.
Speaker 1: But what they diaper her with? What they use on
Speaker 1: the die? Did they get some like you know, uh
Speaker 1: zinc oxide in the drop as well that they can
Speaker 1: use for diper rash?
Speaker 2: Maybe Sawyer has some? Yeah, oh the Island Walgreens under
Speaker 2: his bed.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: What he doesn't have anymore are little statues full of heroin. No,
Speaker 1: they all got thrown into the sea, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: how long before the tide brings those puppies back? Exactly?
Speaker 1: That's what I like, you know, in the major leagues,
Speaker 1: anytime soon. He wasn't throwing them so far away. I
Speaker 1: guess it'll all get wet, right, that'll be will that
Speaker 1: ruins something?
Speaker 2: No, they were inside the statues and wrapped in plastics.
Speaker 1: I mean it was a good it was a good effort.
Speaker 1: It showed an intention lot approved lock who was just
Speaker 1: sitting there on the beach waiting for his legs to
Speaker 1: start working again. Yep, and then they did and he
Speaker 1: just took off. Isn't that nice? People? I'm surprised people
Speaker 1: aren't just lining up to go to that island. Mm hmm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sun sand and all your ills will be curious. That's right,
Speaker 1: that'll be great. You never go back, but you know,
Speaker 1: we drop food down every.
Speaker 4: So every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are coconuts on some of the trees. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's blaccos. Probably you could go get some food
Speaker 1: from them if you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you need to do is befriend Gin and Son,
Speaker 2: because yes, Gin knows how to catch fish and Son
Speaker 2: knows how.
Speaker 4: To guard it.
Speaker 1: So that's right there, you go.
Speaker 2: They have their the parents who are going to be
Speaker 2: possibly the most prepared.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So Michael Boy Harold Parano had to do
Speaker 1: some some big time wild eyed, crazy guy acting in this. Yes,
Speaker 1: And you know why anybody is listening to him and
Speaker 1: wanting to do what he says, I don't know, because
Speaker 1: he looks quite mad.
Speaker 2: Well, and he he's using this the like I'm a parent,
Speaker 2: you know it's my call, and he's yeah, he's playing
Speaker 2: that to everybody who doesn't.
Speaker 1: Have a kid, like oh yeah.
Speaker 2: But the same way that would work the same way
Speaker 2: that Claire tried to do to Son. So you know,
Speaker 2: are they all going to surprise pregnancies our secret children?
Speaker 1: Maybe I wouldn't be surprised at all. I feel like
Speaker 1: in the real world, you make that sort of excuse
Speaker 1: and people are saying, I didn't tell you to have
Speaker 1: a kid, You just go do your own thing, not
Speaker 1: my concern. Yeah, why they would say, sure, let's do things.
Speaker 1: I was very glad that sayid figure came with the
Speaker 1: WTF and you know, could tell why nobody else could,
Speaker 1: why Sawyer wouldn't have noticed somebody work in a con
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, but busy morning Analysia who he
Speaker 1: has to tell Jack about their little tryst.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was evidence that he is susceptible to a
Speaker 2: con himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from time admitted to it. Jack is his closest
Speaker 1: thing to a friend.
Speaker 4: Ah, buddies, Jack's.
Speaker 1: Like not reciprocate, but I is. I mean obviously Michael
Speaker 1: has to arrange it so that Hurley will want to go,
Speaker 1: but to kill Libby and then say, look, you have
Speaker 1: to go because they killed her.
Speaker 4: Right is low? Yeah, buddy, it's youd.
Speaker 1: It is not well with your soul. Perhaps you need
Speaker 1: to do some absolution with mister Echo who has decided
Speaker 1: to stop being a priest and building a church and
Speaker 1: just press the button. It must be such a relief.
Speaker 1: It must be such a relief, you know. You go
Speaker 1: from the things this guy has gone from being a
Speaker 1: drug dealer, being a fake priest, losing his brother, all
Speaker 1: the stresses this man has had, and now he always
Speaker 1: sits in a nice place and just gets button. It
Speaker 1: looks like he's like, yep, yep, I'm here, I got it.
Speaker 2: We got food, we got a record player, we got books.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna be putting up at church anymore. Why
Speaker 1: do I need to do that work. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and press a button. You looked so pleased.
Speaker 1: But Charlie, you want to continue building a church, go
Speaker 1: right ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna worry about sitting in a church
Speaker 1: that Charlie built because it's not going to come down.
Speaker 1: But what good is it having a fake priest on
Speaker 1: your island if he's not going to do funerals? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that funeral was pretty I will mourn her in my
Speaker 1: own way, mourn them in my own way. Meanwhile, I'm
Speaker 1: going to hit the buttons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so fun.
Speaker 1: The numbers the most relaxing, relaxing mission on the island.
Speaker 1: So where is mister Locke off to do?
Speaker 4: We think? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did he head to head out into the jungle. Well,
Speaker 1: he just took off down the beach. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: didn't know if he was going to join the rest
Speaker 1: of the gang or if he was off to do something.
Speaker 2: Well, he's put out because he's realized that, you know,
Speaker 2: pressing the button was just a psychological experiment, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's figured that, you know, that's what he learned from going.
Speaker 1: To John again John.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now he's coming, buddy, He's like, I'm out
Speaker 2: of here taking my ball like.
Speaker 1: That. He's not on the list of people that that's right,
Speaker 1: he is not. From a parenting point of view, I
Speaker 1: think one thing we learned from this is be able
Speaker 1: to tell people things about your kid. Yes, people ask
Speaker 1: you questions about your kid. Do you really know?
Speaker 4: You should be read?
Speaker 1: And I mean I would say that possibly this is
Speaker 1: a situation where dad's maybe not as strong as moms,
Speaker 1: because moms are the ones who are going to the
Speaker 1: doctors and doing this thing and doing that thing. You know,
Speaker 1: Walt's mother would have had a thick folder full of
Speaker 1: data to give to the creepy other lady. Yes, Michael's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, you know that's embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Well, and it is exactly what they did to him
Speaker 2: at the custody.
Speaker 4: Here I did.
Speaker 1: They did, and he should have learned something from that. Yes,
Speaker 1: just make stuff up, yeah right, you need to, don't
Speaker 1: just I don't know. Yeah, he's my son. He's my son,
Speaker 1: and I will kill all these people worry him. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you know what you can tell me about him? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, not too much. I haven't really spent
Speaker 1: that much time with him. But but meanwhile, let me
Speaker 1: put all my friends in danger or death to get
Speaker 1: him back. This is this is a very frustrating character. Yes,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, if you will do anything for him,
Speaker 1: including that anything, learning a thing or two right there
Speaker 1: was or pretending like you know things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know the blogger and sort of internet
Speaker 2: person design mom, she did a whole thing.
Speaker 1: About you know, men, because it's always men.
Speaker 2: They are all about like I need guns to protect
Speaker 2: my family, you know, and she's like, you know, what
Speaker 2: protects your family laundry and and you know, clean water
Speaker 2: and giving your kids baths, and you know, she made
Speaker 2: this whole long conversation, you know, imagined conversation like I'm
Speaker 2: you know, I need a gun to protect them.
Speaker 1: Like she's like, actually, you need to feed them, you know,
Speaker 1: food that's safe and healthy, and you need to like
Speaker 1: wash their clothes so they don't get diseases. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we're at with Michael. So I
Speaker 1: think so Michael is very up for any degree of
Speaker 1: violence right in the defense of by size. But you know,
Speaker 1: have they ever actually had a conversation, Yeah, when the
Speaker 1: kid had a choice. He was hanging with Locke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh well, well it's parenting is hard. It is, it is.
Speaker 1: We do. We do acknowledge that I got out here
Speaker 1: for a dad, you know. Uh, Saide's sensing that Michael
Speaker 1: is compromised. That's a parenting I mean we don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think that Saide has any children, but that's a uh,
Speaker 1: that's a parenting reflex. Yes, that this person is being
Speaker 1: too nice, this person is being too cooperative, this person
Speaker 1: is being too firm. This just is this is.
Speaker 4: Something something is not right, something that's.
Speaker 1: Not acting like a kid should be acting. Hmm, what's up?
Speaker 4: What does this mean?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a useful skill that not too many of
Speaker 1: these people have. It's true, not that it's going to
Speaker 1: do sight any particular good, but you know, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a good parenting skill to be able to smell
Speaker 1: a rat and know what to do about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and knowing what to do about it is the harder part. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he knew to like tell Jack, and.
Speaker 1: Jack was ready to be.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, we're gonna go, and he's like, wait, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't want him to know that we know right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Jack Jack bought it, though. You could tell
Speaker 1: that he could see the wisdom of that. He gave
Speaker 1: Michael a look, and I bother will do anything for
Speaker 1: his son, anything, anything except.
Speaker 4: Visit once in a while.
Speaker 1: Oh well, Walt does not seem like he's having a
Speaker 1: real good time there another villain. No, so surely we're
Speaker 1: going to go get him out, aren't we. Yeah. Vincent
Speaker 1: just keeps popping up at apropotons.
Speaker 2: To start regular reminder like, don't forget no Walt, he's
Speaker 2: out there somewhere.
Speaker 1: Is that the dog that's gonna see Michael in hell?
Speaker 4: Oh boy, that was.
Speaker 1: Not a very comforting story, really, it really wasn't. Thanks
Speaker 1: there echo. Oh well, so why do we think they
Speaker 1: took some blood from Michael?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I wonder what they're doing with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's creepy.
Speaker 3: Bringing it down to their island they have. Does it
Speaker 3: have something to do with the nine nine day, every
Speaker 3: nine day vaccine?
Speaker 1: Oh? Maybe, so every nine day? What is there on
Speaker 1: this island that you would have to vaccidate yourself against?
Speaker 1: I guess it's this illness, that's this phantom illness that
Speaker 1: Danielle talks about. Right, doesn't seem to be bothering anybody
Speaker 1: right now. Nope, unless it's making them all kind of stupid,
Speaker 1: stupid virus. Protect yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: Michael, I'll go across the island for you to to,
Speaker 1: you know, confront these evil people, and let's bring Early
Speaker 1: with us. Sure, Okay, no harm can come to Hurly. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's right. But but harm they do realize that harm
Speaker 1: comes to everybody around her, right. I think I'm in
Speaker 1: an expedition with him. That's probably why Libby is no more.
Speaker 1: That's right, poor Libby, only to be seen in flashbacks henceforward.
Speaker 1: But so with all this mystery and all this weirdness
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and all this planning of a
Speaker 1: trek and a dangerous mission, hey there's a boat.
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 1: What the heck? That was a twist. At the end
Speaker 1: of the episode, it seemed like it was over. Claire
Speaker 1: was being kind to Charlie. Did she know that he
Speaker 1: threw all the statues in the in the sea?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But here comes another wrinkle.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: It's so, do we remember anybody who took off in
Speaker 1: a boat at some point? Well, I mean the others,
Speaker 1: but that was a different boat.
Speaker 4: Wasn't it.
Speaker 1: No, not in that kind of boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, to remember something possibly but not important.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they'll remind me.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if I would have remembered it
Speaker 1: if I hadn't paid. But anyway, excitement, well sort of
Speaker 1: excitement ahead for the next two episodes, which have well
Speaker 1: let's not say who the flashbacks will be, okay, because
Speaker 1: it kind of spoils a little bit. Okay, So next week,
Speaker 1: are we gonna watch both parts of the final or
Speaker 1: are we just gonna watch one? U? We can?
Speaker 4: How are you want to do it?
Speaker 1: Do you think we should watch them both?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I were they they must have been released
Speaker 1: a week apart, right, let's just find out watch it
Speaker 1: if the way people would have watched it? Or should
Speaker 1: we watch it just in one huge ridiculous I can
Speaker 1: show Dharma brand goldfish crackers.
Speaker 4: Your date May.
Speaker 3: Fourth.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, it was the two hour season finale.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we should watch it. We should watch it
Speaker 1: as one, we should watch it as one, I think. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's do it. Okay, let's get to the
Speaker 1: third season already?
Speaker 3: Yeah deleting okay part one?
Speaker 1: There, So next Tuesday. We will continue with season two
Speaker 1: episodes twenty three and twenty four of Loss Right, Live Together,
Speaker 1: Die Alone. That sounds promising. They're just gonna go to
Speaker 1: Otherville and they're gonna welcome them with open arms. Michael's
Speaker 1: gonna go off with with Walt, and everybody's just gonna
Speaker 1: be happy and have a good time. Yeah yeah, send
Speaker 1: us off into the summer on a high. No dying alone,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, send us off to us cup somewhere with
Speaker 1: a good feeling. You've be a level luau of some sort,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I'm sure everybody will be so happy.
Speaker 1: And if you believe that you have an island to
Speaker 1: sell you, yes, what could possibly go wrong? It seems
Speaker 1: like they have such a solid plan.
Speaker 4: They always do, they do, they do.
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