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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Marvel Alliance Podcast recover anything and everything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the Marvel Universe and the comics, TV

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<v Speaker 1>and movies. Who will go from er six one six

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mojo Verse to the TVA in order to

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<v Speaker 1>bring the Marvel Universe right to you. I'm the Man

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<v Speaker 1>without Fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, I'm the nerve with the mouth David.

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<v Speaker 1>Alliance Volume two and eighty one, and this very much

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<v Speaker 1>might be the final Marvel Alliance of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, we are not gonna disappoint you.

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<v Speaker 1>We are bringing to you the first Avengers Doomsday teaser

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<v Speaker 1>trailer that you know what. We have it, We've seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen it a number of times, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do this show, and we're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>good time doing it because this is the March towards

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<v Speaker 1>Avengers dooms dive. So this time next year, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we we're finally in the midst of it. Because what's

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<v Speaker 1>the release date of it, David, what do we have

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<v Speaker 1>the official release date?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, let me play it actually headed up a

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<v Speaker 2>moment ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, December eighteenth, So yeah, we are officially one year

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<v Speaker 1>away as of recording tonight, we are one year away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm super super excited about it. I'm super excited to

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<v Speaker 2>get at least something, even if it is a dash

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<v Speaker 2>and a sprinkle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so but yeah, So anyways, how has been your week?

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<v Speaker 2>My week has been good. I'm on the final road

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<v Speaker 2>towards Christmas break and Christmas vacation, so I'm really really

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to that. Just have most people are counting

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<v Speaker 2>down to Christmas, I'm counting down one more wake up

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<v Speaker 2>until I'm officially off of work for two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, And same with me, Like we have a half

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<v Speaker 1>day tomorrow and then we have some travel plans and

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<v Speaker 1>some stay home plans and things like that, so we

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<v Speaker 1>are I'm looking forward to two full weeks off and

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<v Speaker 1>get into decompress. Had some good news this week at work,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're, you know, we're rocking and rolling but uh

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, so the uh it's you know, we were

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<v Speaker 1>we were hoping for something and we luckily received it

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<v Speaker 1>with our uh with the this lovely trailer. So but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let us get into the uh before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>breaking down the trailer and everything like that. We want

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<v Speaker 1>But this was it was oh what was it, Lion King?

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<v Speaker 1>as we said at the opening, David and I have

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<v Speaker 1>seen the very first Avengers Doomsday teaser trailer. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not a trailer. This is the definition of a teaser.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of four teaser trailers that are through

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<v Speaker 1>one of three teaser trailers. And the idea is there

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<v Speaker 1>will be a full trailer and we'll probably put full

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<v Speaker 1>on quotes until we see it, but we'll just say

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<v Speaker 1>four of these are teaser trailers. Is the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>All of them are right now, and they've stuck to

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<v Speaker 1>their guns despite what's happened this week. Marvel's stuck to

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<v Speaker 1>their guns and they did these. Each of these are going.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, next week will be the Telltale Sign will

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<v Speaker 1>they're the new trailer release, but the first one releasing

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<v Speaker 1>with Avatar Fire and Ash. The next week will be

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<v Speaker 1>another one, the following week will be a third one,

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<v Speaker 1>and then supposedly a bigger, more encompassing trailer for Avengers Doomsday.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what David and I will say this, like we

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<v Speaker 1>have seen the trailer. Neither one of us have gone

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<v Speaker 1>to Avatar Fire and Ash. How did we see it? Then? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen the lead trailer. We have seen we

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<v Speaker 1>have seen a very poor quality of the trail. We

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<v Speaker 1>have also seen a better version of the trailer. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we are not going to be showing it because we

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to get our channel get a copyright

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<v Speaker 1>strike because Marvel has been going after shows. But we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be talking about it and going to

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<v Speaker 1>be discussing it at that point. So we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>going full full on our thoughts about this at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our entirety of the show. It will not

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<v Speaker 1>be a long show tonight. We will not be doing

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<v Speaker 1>any listener feedback. We won't be doing complic Club. We

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<v Speaker 1>already said that's on Hiatus in Factor Fictions. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be doing this tonight and it will be our

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<v Speaker 1>so topic. So if you do not want to know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about the very first teaser trailer, if you just

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<v Speaker 1>want to see it on UNDUDD, well we're gonna let

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<v Speaker 1>you know from David and I are going to stick

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<v Speaker 1>to our guns right now. We're going to be probably

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<v Speaker 1>taking the next two weeks off for the holidays unless

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<v Speaker 1>something one of these trailers does reveal something huge. This

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to warranted just because of the first full transparency.

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<v Speaker 1>David and I have also just seen the Thor trailer

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<v Speaker 1>as well, based on the descriptions, based on everything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not something that we feel we need to

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<v Speaker 1>go live about next week. So we'll hold that back

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<v Speaker 1>and see if we can see because the one we

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<v Speaker 1>are looking forward to, the rumor is that this was

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<v Speaker 1>the first one. Next one will be focused on Thor,

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<v Speaker 1>next one will be focused on after that Doctor Doom,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a proper Avengers Doomsday kind of full trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>So but yeah, so we will be taking the next

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks off after tonight, no extra things in the feed,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will be back next week. That following week

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<v Speaker 1>probably we may have to kind of do a combo

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<v Speaker 1>episode because we'll probably have to break down some trailers

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<v Speaker 1>and then do our twenty twenty six predictions when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back that first full week of January. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of our setup at that point. So again, final warning,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to break this down. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to know anything, we will see you next year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of weird to say that, but I always

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy saying it. So if you want to know anything,

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<v Speaker 1>here's your warning. Full spoilers start now, three two one.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go. So this is you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a trailer. We'll just go out and say it. This

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<v Speaker 1>is focused on Steve Rogers. Yeah, I thought this was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, you and I are in the circles.

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<v Speaker 1>We knew the rumor was that the order was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be Steve Rogers thor Doctor Doom and then a

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<v Speaker 1>full trailer. So finding it now we have talked about

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. I can't even remember how many years

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<v Speaker 1>ago that we we broke down the story that Deadline.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Deadline is the one who put it out

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<v Speaker 1>there that Chris Evans was going to be returning and

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<v Speaker 1>in some capacity as Steve Rogers and or Captain America.

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<v Speaker 1>I almost want to say that was two or three

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<v Speaker 1>years ago that came out and then nothing came of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the first evidence that it is. So

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<v Speaker 1>that is what this trailer is focused on. So before

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<v Speaker 1>we even break it down, what do we think about

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<v Speaker 1>this strategy of just putting it in Avatar fire and

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<v Speaker 1>Ash making exclusive despite the leaks, despite all the leaks,

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<v Speaker 1>including another leak that happened earlier in the week with

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<v Speaker 1>a very bad leak, very bad transfer of the new

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man brand, New Day at that point, so they

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<v Speaker 1>are definitely scramming. They're definitely trying to need tight in

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<v Speaker 1>their shit. But overall, David, what do you think about

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<v Speaker 1>this strategy of just making exclusive to Avatar, Because I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be honest with you, I don't think Avatar needs the

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<v Speaker 1>help of an Avengers trailer to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not like this strategy strictly because it is

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<v Speaker 2>solely tied to Avatar. If this was a situation where

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<v Speaker 2>they put this out with multiple movies and you got

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<v Speaker 2>one different one every week and they were just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to help revitalize the movie industry, right now, I would

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<v Speaker 2>be a little bit more lenient to how I feel

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely dislike it. And movie tickets aren't cheap. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a list. Other people have other ways that they

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<v Speaker 2>are able to watch multiple movies a month and things

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<v Speaker 2>just to be able to see this and to see

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<v Speaker 2>Avatar again. I watched the first Avatar, I did not

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<v Speaker 2>watch the second. I don't plan on watching the third.

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<v Speaker 2>And for them to use this as a to reel

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<v Speaker 2>me into something that's already going to make money, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>rather you attached us to that Timothy Shalloon May movie

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<v Speaker 2>or something else, or a new movie every week to

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<v Speaker 2>just attach it to one movie that you have to

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<v Speaker 2>see four times over four separate weeks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I and you know, for us, for us in the know,

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<v Speaker 1>and for us that I kind of lives and breathes

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. The content creators. You know, they've always said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna put in theaters, and nine times out

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<v Speaker 1>of at that point or the day it goes out,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know we're getting it. But this is the

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<v Speaker 1>first time they've really stuck to their guns besides the leaks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I selfishly, I don't like it because it kind

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<v Speaker 1>to leaks. And I mean, I'll be honest with you, David,

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<v Speaker 1>and I necessarily don't didn't really want to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>go at it for the leak, but neither one of

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<v Speaker 1>us are going to be paying to see Avatar four times.

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<v Speaker 1>And for you, all the listeners who want to see

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<v Speaker 1>us and have us break this down, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing this because we enjoy doing this. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>put it out there for those of you that also

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<v Speaker 1>like us that we're not going to see Avatar four times.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to see it. I don't know when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to see it over my break, but I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>not rushing out for purposes to see it for this

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<v Speaker 1>trailer alone four times. I you know, it's an extra

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<v Speaker 1>of excited about this, to remind them that don't aren't

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<v Speaker 1>in the stratosphere of always watching all the content. Those

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<v Speaker 1>that know, I've always known this. This is the build

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<v Speaker 1>up hype for Avengers Doom's Day. What I will say

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<v Speaker 1>is I don't like it as a content creator, but

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this, and I'll play Devil's advocate. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying I agree with it, but now they have

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<v Speaker 1>four weeks of dialogue about Avengers Doom's Day, That's where

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say, like, I don't it's I don't like it,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's where they're thinking. But I still don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that it was the best move. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I understand their reasoning. I just I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>that they've only attached it to one movie and you're

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<v Speaker 2>driving up viewership for something that honestly does not and

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you know we're it is what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why we decided we're still going to break

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<v Speaker 1>who are in the know and have seen Avatar have

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<v Speaker 1>basically in so many words, confirmed that what was leaked

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<v Speaker 1>had seen, so so we feel comfortable breaking this down

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<v Speaker 1>and doing doing this so kind of looking at further

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<v Speaker 1>of it. So as we you know, we'll we'll we

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to be pulling it up on screen

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<v Speaker 1>because again they'll be they have they have struck a

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<v Speaker 1>number of uh you know, copyright strikes and things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will pull it up on our end to

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<v Speaker 1>break it down for you in case you have not

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<v Speaker 1>personally seen it. So it does start off with with

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<v Speaker 1>we get stee, we get a man that we know

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<v Speaker 1>is Steve Rogers riding on a motorcycle. Now, as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Rogers has been very much always about riding on

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<v Speaker 2>So and Steve in the comics is on his motorcycle

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. We've have various images throughout the MCU of

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<v Speaker 2>Steve on a motorcycle, including that seen from Age of Ultron.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a motor motorcycle in Captain America First Avenger,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's it's not new to us to see him

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<v Speaker 2>with the motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the other things too is you know

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<v Speaker 1>some people have pointed out like the year the bi

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that, it could be different now with

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<v Speaker 1>always with trailers, especially with this one too, that they

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<v Speaker 1>could be also playing with time, you know, and how

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<v Speaker 1>scenes are shot and put together too, to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>same area. I think they're also playing with this also.

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<v Speaker 1>The overture that is playing is the Avengers scene you

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<v Speaker 1>hear with just a simple piano that they've done before.

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<v Speaker 1>So Steve gets off the bike and you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very kind of classic helmet living on a suburban street.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we don't know the exact time, our year

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<v Speaker 1>he's living in at this point, because we know he's

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<v Speaker 1>come back. This is the house he showed up with

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<v Speaker 1>Peggy at the end of endgame, you know, walking up

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<v Speaker 1>the steps and we get to see a look at

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<v Speaker 1>his what was basically his endgame costume and taking it

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<v Speaker 1>out of the drawer. Now, something you know kind of

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<v Speaker 1>going into this at this point is you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>we said, we don't know. We know sometimes passed as

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<v Speaker 1>a big reveal will happen a little bit. But do

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<v Speaker 1>you think, David, that Steve came to this when he

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<v Speaker 1>met with Peggy and just put down the shield, put

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<v Speaker 1>down his uniform and officially retired, or do you think

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<v Speaker 1>he stayed on his CAP for a while to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>fix some wrongs and eventually retired or went into kind

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<v Speaker 2>I think he went into a semi retirement more of

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<v Speaker 2>a hey, I'm back, I'm here for you, but also

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<v Speaker 2>as needed when big things happen. He may have done

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<v Speaker 2>some sneaking around Cap and just you know, out here

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<v Speaker 2>doing kind of like what we just read about in

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<v Speaker 2>Spider Man, where you know he would make business trips,

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<v Speaker 2>but during those business trips, when big things happened, he

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems like it's always hard because again he's

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<v Speaker 1>he was always the one to say say, like, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't just sit there and let evil triumph. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he even making the hard choice. That's who Steve Rogers is,

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<v Speaker 1>even without the shield. So you see him take it

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<v Speaker 1>out kind of take a look at it, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing uniform. I love the endgame one, but but

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<v Speaker 1>look at this, like he takes it out of a drawer.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we kind of get a new cut to

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<v Speaker 1>him putting it in a chest. So something has happened,

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<v Speaker 1>you know where he's putting it away. And when you're

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<v Speaker 1>putting in kind of a chest like this, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to me you're going to be taking You're looking

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<v Speaker 1>to take it out again, You're looking to put it aside,

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<v Speaker 1>move on with your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. To me, when I think about a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>comic book movies that we've seen in the past, the

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<v Speaker 2>chest is where they keep the costume when they're ready

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<v Speaker 2>for action. I think of Daredevil having it in the closet,

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<v Speaker 2>hitting around. I think about Spider Man in his apartment

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<v Speaker 2>ready to you know, kick open that chest and grab

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<v Speaker 2>that costume mouth. So I wonder if this is more

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<v Speaker 2>of this is my quick action chess versus I'm locking

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<v Speaker 2>this away for good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay, that's an interesting way to put it, But

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, it just kind of seemed like the reason

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<v Speaker 1>he takes it out of the drawer at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>But then again, we don't know the sequence of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but like he's closing it, you know, ending his chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of where I was kind of thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>the symbolism of instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Of closing the proverbial door or chest on his time

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<v Speaker 2>as Captain America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so as we go forward, we go it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just Steve we get we now get Steve Rogers is

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<v Speaker 1>officially a dad. And David, I know you want to

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<v Speaker 1>say it because we're all thinking it at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>What did she Hulks say, Captain America. Yep, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve is a dad. So we we don't see Peggy

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<v Speaker 1>in this, but it is the house and anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So Steve is a daddy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta assume at this point that that was part

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<v Speaker 2>of the plan when he went back. That's part of

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<v Speaker 2>what he wouldn't talk about with Sam when Sam asked him,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to talk about it, and he said no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I will. You know that this is

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<v Speaker 2>part of what he decided to go back and create

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<v Speaker 2>an entire life that he never got to lead because

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<v Speaker 2>he was out here being cat yep, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was It wasn't just the reveal of Steve, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>officially being back at that point, but that he is

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<v Speaker 2>a father and I'm guessing that's the son. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of I'm just going off of just what I can tell,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's looking very happily as a father and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>then we looking totally on it. Then we get Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers will return and Avengers Doomsday, and that is our

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<v Speaker 2>that is our trailer, or assume me that is our teaser.

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<v Speaker 2>Forts So they chose to start off.

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<v Speaker 1>With maybe the biggest one. And so do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>out of the four things that we know that we

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<v Speaker 1>have been rumored to come, it was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Thor, doctor Doom, Avenger Full Avengers, Doom's Doom to

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<v Speaker 1>say trailer. Do you think it was a right choice

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<v Speaker 1>for them to start off with Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers for if they're building up to the big trailer,

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<v Speaker 2>I say yes, because he is the biggest name other

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<v Speaker 2>than doctor Doom, and he is the when you start

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<v Speaker 2>telling people, hey, Captain America is back, especially a certain

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<v Speaker 2>section of people, that Steve Rogers Captain America is back,

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<v Speaker 2>that will bring them in. So this, this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring you in more than hey we've got another Thor.

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<v Speaker 2>We know Thor's coming back, We've seen Thor, we know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on with him. Doctor Doom. He saved that

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<v Speaker 2>one for last because it's Doom. But this is grab

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<v Speaker 2>the people with the big name, with the your your

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<v Speaker 2>captain is back here you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think it wasn't necessarily the wrong choice

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<v Speaker 1>to do, especially when you think about it in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense of who the the Avengers Trinity is, being that

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<v Speaker 1>Captain America the first Avenger, followed up by Thor. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, then we've get Tony Stark. Now, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>our Tony Stark, but doctor Doom. As the Russos have said,

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<v Speaker 1>This is not our Doctor Doom. They have been very

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<v Speaker 2>But again, so please don't get up in arms. This

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<v Speaker 2>already established this is not the Victor von Doom that

420
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<v Speaker 2>you know from the comics. This is a whole different avenue.

421
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<v Speaker 2>So please calm it down a bit, very calm.

422
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<v Speaker 1>But again, this is purposely this is our original Avengers

423
00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:14.839
<v Speaker 1>Trinity here though that makes sense now, but I want

424
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<v Speaker 1>you to pay attention. It said Steve Rogers will return

425
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<v Speaker 1>at Avengers Doomsday. It did not say Captain America will return.

426
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<v Speaker 1>A couple of things that I think about with that, Well,

427
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<v Speaker 1>Captain America is not Steve Rogers anymore. Captain America is

428
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<v Speaker 1>Sam Wilson. So there's one thing, there's honor amongst the

429
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<v Speaker 1>shield being passed on. Two, there have been a lot

430
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<v Speaker 1>of rumors going around even before this trailer leaked, even

431
00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:48.039
<v Speaker 1>before this that when Chris Evans is rumored to be

432
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<v Speaker 1>returning and signed back on that he would be portraying

433
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<v Speaker 1>maybe different multiverse characters of Steve. I think we've talked

434
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<v Speaker 1>about it, and I think we've done factor of fictions on

435
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<v Speaker 1>this saying we'll be seeing more than one Captain America.

436
00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:05.799
<v Speaker 1>We've heard lots of rumors for years, even with Doctor

437
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>transon multi versus Maddening like Hydra Steve from Secret Empire.

438
00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.519
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a very good possibility of that. I

439
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:16.519
<v Speaker 1>think there's even stronger possibility that Steve will take on

440
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the persona of No Mad.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's that's what I feel is after seeing

442
00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.759
<v Speaker 2>this and thinking about the fact that Steve might have

443
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<v Speaker 2>been doing some side hustling hero work and not full

444
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:35.279
<v Speaker 2>on Captain America, because again he gave up the Shield

445
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>and everything, so I could see a situation where, yes,

446
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<v Speaker 2>this is the nomad version of Steve Rogers, and he

447
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 2>he would be respectful knowing that he gave this shield up,

448
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.839
<v Speaker 2>he gave that up, and this is where he's going

449
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:52.440
<v Speaker 2>from here on. So I could definitely see the version

450
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<v Speaker 2>that we see in this trailer, not necessarily the main

451
00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Steve Rogers that we're going to see in the movie,

452
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<v Speaker 2>but the version from this trailer is the nomad version.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll throw another wrench into this mix as well,

454
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<v Speaker 1>that we people make an assumption that when Steve brought

455
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<v Speaker 1>back the stones and were supposed to put them back

456
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<v Speaker 1>into place, that timelines were redone timeline, he respected the

457
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:23.599
<v Speaker 1>timeline and that he when he met up back with

458
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<v Speaker 1>Peggy that was still this was still reality six one six,

459
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 1>and that he just somehow existed throughout the time it

460
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.759
<v Speaker 1>has been there in a different form of Steve Rodgers.

461
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>At that point, however, the Russos, and this was before

462
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>they jumped on with coming back on for Doomsday in

463
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Secret Wars, that they have said that no, that's not

464
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<v Speaker 1>what we feel at all. They have said that Steve

465
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<v Speaker 1>didn't go back to the timeline. They have said that

466
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<v Speaker 1>after on game he is on a different timeline. He

467
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:06.279
<v Speaker 1>is on a different reality, so that if they're gonna

468
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<v Speaker 1>stick to what they said after I can't remember when

469
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<v Speaker 1>that happened when they kind of a stat and kind

470
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<v Speaker 1>of push back on that. But if this is a

471
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<v Speaker 1>different reality, could this be a reality where Steve that

472
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<v Speaker 1>Steve Rogers didn't come back. Could that be that he

473
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<v Speaker 1>comes in and his reality and kind of you know

474
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<v Speaker 1>that Steve didn't make it through, you know, his fight

475
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.759
<v Speaker 1>with Red Skull and everything like that, and kind of

476
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>takes the position at that point. I mean, that's that's

477
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 1>one thing. If we're going to take the rules of

478
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<v Speaker 1>the face value, and there's nothing that says they don't

479
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<v Speaker 1>change their mind, and they kind of he is on

480
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.200
<v Speaker 1>six one six, But I think that gets really that

481
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.759
<v Speaker 1>gets messy. Yeah, And it's always been a messy thing

482
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:50.440
<v Speaker 1>until they came out and said that, I can more

483
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<v Speaker 1>accept that he's on a different reality because that's kind

484
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of what the ancient one had told Bruce Banner, like,

485
00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:01.319
<v Speaker 1>there is no way once you go back and you

486
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you do this, that you will create other branches of timelines.

487
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:09.599
<v Speaker 1>You it's not that the die has been cast. Yeah.

488
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<v Speaker 2>The main reason that I feel like this isn't our

489
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>main earth this isn't Earth six one six is because

490
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:17.039
<v Speaker 2>of Sharon Carter.

491
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, who who's that?

492
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I feel like she would have recognized her aunt, Peggy's

493
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.799
<v Speaker 2>baby daddy had it been she made out the same

494
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:33.039
<v Speaker 2>person that she made out with. I'm that would be

495
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.599
<v Speaker 2>a little awkward. We don't kink shame. But again, this

496
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 2>guy looks exactly like your uncle. There's there's something going

497
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>on here.

498
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>That's not your mother. It's a mad baby.

499
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So that that's that's my main reasoning for thinking that

500
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>this is a separate Earth, because that would make a

501
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 2>lot of events of Civil War just very very awkward,

502
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 2>and it brings into more of a understanding of like

503
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>how he shows up when he does, and like I said,

504
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:07.759
<v Speaker 2>it just gets really interesting. And it's what we always

505
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.039
<v Speaker 2>joke around saying, all these huge events come around were

506
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>the Avengers. Steve just happened to stay in the background

507
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.039
<v Speaker 2>and kind of go going against what he said, but

508
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 2>also in the sense of like he doesn't want to

509
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 2>ruin a timeline, so someone could say that too, but

510
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I just I'm with you. I don't think this is

511
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<v Speaker 2>Earth six one six or Earth nineteen ninety ninety ninety nine, whatever,

512
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>we're want to call him, No, it's it's definitely a

513
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 2>branching timeline. I had a whole conversation with my girlfriend

514
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>earlier about how multiversal theory and like it's got to

515
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>be the minute he went back and he decided to

516
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 2>have a kid, it branched off something entirely different, and

517
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>that's the version that we're seeing, is the different branch.

518
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, let's take our it's for what I canna

519
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<v Speaker 1>end up our only ad break for the evening before

520
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<v Speaker 1>we kind of bring up a couple of points before

521
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<v Speaker 1>to bring it to a close. So as you know, listeners,

522
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<v Speaker 1>he's ad to help keep the lights on a gee

523
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<v Speaker 1>cultimate alliance thatwork don't get to choose what adds come on,

524
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<v Speaker 1>and they could be a bit loud to give her

525
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>that three count before they come on three two one,

526
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:09.799
<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back and we are back, all right.

527
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.039
<v Speaker 1>So with that idea that we're both kind of on

528
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 1>the page that this is a separate reality, you know,

529
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>putting the duxtaposition of the idea that could be a

530
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 1>earth either where Steve Rogers passed away, Because again, I

531
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think he's just gonna walk in and see Peggy

532
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.599
<v Speaker 1>and Peggy's just gonna hook up with him and be

533
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>with him if she doesn't didn't have a prior relationship

534
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.839
<v Speaker 1>with a Steve Rogers, you know. Yeah, so there's that

535
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.279
<v Speaker 1>the implications how does this set up for Doom's day

536
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in Secret Wars as well as what does this play

537
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>into Doctor Doom's issue with him? Could Steve going back

538
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and dropping up the stones and setting himself up in

539
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 1>this reality being happy, being with Peggy having a child?

540
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Did this lead to negatively affecting Doctor do Doom's own

541
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.839
<v Speaker 1>reality in the sense of did he lead to an

542
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>incursion on his world? Did it lead to did it

543
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>lead to something affecting his reality in a negative way?

544
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Like something? There are rumors saying that it is going

545
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to be a fight. This is a fight between Steve Rogers.

546
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Movies focused very much on Steve Rodgers versus Door Doctor

547
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Doom's Tony Stark variant. Yeah.

548
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, in the past we have seen that both Cap

549
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>and those that he worked with in the beginning had

550
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>ties to Howard Stark. So what's to say that him

551
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 2>going back to the past had a negative effect on

552
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Howard Stark and his enterprise that he was building, which

553
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>caused a rift in there that could have made Howard

554
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:55.279
<v Speaker 2>then go into a different route, which would then pass

555
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>down to Tony taking that different route as well. So

556
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of I wonder about how this affects that

557
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 2>because we saw an agent Carter we saw in the

558
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 2>First Avenger, we saw just in many different timelines of

559
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>how Howard Startworth's working directly with these programs. So because

560
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 2>of that, him going back in time, could that change

561
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 2>the trajectory of Howard, which could then change the trajectory

562
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of where Tony went from there, and that's how he

563
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 2>ended up in the space of Doom.

564
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Or is doctor Doom necessarily of is this from Steve's reality?

565
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.759
<v Speaker 1>You know something that he did, something that he villain,

566
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>He faced down and he wanted to come down, Like

567
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you said, if Steve moonlighted or didn't necessarily fully put

568
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.039
<v Speaker 1>down the shield or to give up his vigilanteism, he

569
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>did something to Doom and this is Doom's revenge, which

570
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.359
<v Speaker 1>leads to the idea of our end credit scene and

571
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic four is if interactions with Franklin Richard. Franklin Richard

572
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 1>being a major Omega level mutant can have reality warping

573
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>powers of the highest order, Doom is seeking him out

574
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 1>to create a reality where he wants to rule and

575
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>destroy all others.

576
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that there's so many different scenarios that I

577
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.079
<v Speaker 2>can think of to create this new version of Doom.

578
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.799
<v Speaker 2>I am just I'm very excited to see the face

579
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>to face between Steve Rogers and this version of Doom.

580
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially as I said, like the first time they

581
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>see his face and they don't see a Doom, they

582
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.599
<v Speaker 1>see Doc, they see Tony, and all of them know

583
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Tony is dead. But they have also said the Russo's

584
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 1>have also said that Tony and the snap that he

585
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>did had more effects than just wiping out Danus. You know,

586
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>his snap did more to bring on this variant. And

587
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that's where and they keep on saying, like, you know

588
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.559
<v Speaker 1>again that Endgame, this is a sequel to Endgame. Who

589
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize there were strands handing out there, you know,

590
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.839
<v Speaker 1>outside of what they there and this is all Sometimes

591
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 1>what I worry too, is that they're going to it

592
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.079
<v Speaker 1>is what it is, retcons some things or put some

593
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 1>things into place that say like, oh, it was always there.

594
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 1>It really wasn't there, you know, it just happened to

595
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 1>be a convenient thread that you just pulled on to say,

596
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>see this one little thing, this proves it happens. I mean,

597
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>we in the combook community to do it all the time,

598
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 1>but you know, so it again. Overall it was it

599
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 1>was a you know, a good teether trailer. It set

600
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>up the idea of confirming Chris Evans's back, confirming that

601
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Steve is not necessarily being cath In Merrick at this point,

602
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>He's a father and just like Steve is gonna go

603
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>for anything, you guarantee you you step in front of

604
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Steve's not just his wife and I'm assuming he ain't

605
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Peggy or MegaNet married, but you step in trying to

606
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>take away his son. At that point, what did Tony

607
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 1>say in endgame? I got you know, get everyone back great.

608
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I will not compromise losing what I have gained from it.

609
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>He even realized as a father, as a husband, but

610
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.679
<v Speaker 1>particularly being a father, that he would not ever do

611
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.519
<v Speaker 1>anything to ever compromise what he has gained. And I

612
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>think that Steve is going to now understand what that

613
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 1>is to a different to a to a very similar degree.

614
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as you and I both know, fatherhood changed you

615
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 2>a whole different perspective, and I'd be excited to see

616
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 2>what Steve's reasoning would be for taking back up the

617
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.800
<v Speaker 2>shield or taking back up the mantle is now that

618
00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>he's a father.

619
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so but as as you said, so we we

620
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.760
<v Speaker 1>have just right before air, we were able to get

621
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.159
<v Speaker 1>access to the the Thorum based on the descriptions that

622
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.280
<v Speaker 1>have been shared and been very consistent at that point

623
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.639
<v Speaker 1>and matches up. So we'll kind of wait and see.

624
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.119
<v Speaker 1>But if it ends up being the right one, set

625
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:25.920
<v Speaker 1>your expectations not high. This if that ends up being

626
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>one eight is not going to be as kind of

627
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was big, but this is this doesn't

628
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 1>raise the same level. I think we're all now waiting

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<v Speaker 1>on the Doctor Doom trailer because this will be our

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<v Speaker 1>first look at Robert Downey Junior as this Tony Stark

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Doom variant, and I think that's that's the one

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<v Speaker 1>I'm most excited for besides the proper Doomsday trailer. So yeah, agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so that is our kind of breakdown at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. So as I said, that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of our main part of our show. Don't worry,

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<v Speaker 1>we will deal post credits as ah, but we will

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<v Speaker 1>take a break at least for right now until twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six with listener questions, Comic Book Club and Factor fictions.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, like I said, David and I are

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<v Speaker 1>going to take the next two weeks off. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>we do get a hold of the Doctor Doom one,

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<v Speaker 1>just say we get it a hold next week, David

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<v Speaker 1>and I are going to take a break. I need

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<v Speaker 1>not from each other. We love each other, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know we you know, we do this as much in

646
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<v Speaker 1>the holidays for us are are very important and uh

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<v Speaker 1>doing that at that point, but rest assured if we

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<v Speaker 1>feel something that really it's got to really rise our

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<v Speaker 1>attention the next episode we come back, we will break

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<v Speaker 1>down everything at that point and we'll be very excited

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<v Speaker 1>to because again we'll the Thor and possibly Doctor Doom

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<v Speaker 1>maybe an Avengers Doomsday. I don't know. Will Disney come

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<v Speaker 1>to their senses and just start putting this stuff out

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<v Speaker 1>and try to come back the leakers, But I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>them this, they didn't. They didn't blink. I thought they would,

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<v Speaker 1>I really did. I thought with them on the leaks

657
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<v Speaker 1>and everything that came out with this one alone, I

658
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<v Speaker 1>thought they were gonna blink. But they're not blinking, so

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<v Speaker 1>more power to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's they're they're definitely standing their ground on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>So they've made a decision and they are all in

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<v Speaker 2>on it. Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>So but yeah, so like we said, we will be

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<v Speaker 1>all for the next two weeks. Nothing in the feeds

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<v Speaker 1>for that. We're we're gonna kind of keep go go

666
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<v Speaker 1>dark with that at that point. But first Thursday in

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<v Speaker 1>January we will do our trailer breakdown, So there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a chonky episode if any new because the Hollywood's

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<v Speaker 1>also going to do it dark in the next for

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<v Speaker 1>the next two weeks as well, So we'll also have

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<v Speaker 1>mister Stell back on for the twenty twenty six predictions.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see, as I say, we will revisit our twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five and see who was correct and who got

674
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<v Speaker 1>wrecked with their predictions. So it's always a fun time

675
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.639
<v Speaker 1>with that show. So David, tell people how they can

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<v Speaker 1>follow you.

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<v Speaker 2>You can follow me on all socials at the Fantom.

678
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680
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<v Speaker 2>where we cover things across all platforms of wrestling. I

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<v Speaker 2>over there at the Gimmick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, I enjoyed your breakdown of a Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night at that point with mister Coldy. Just give

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<v Speaker 1>me mister Sena's last match. I have to share with

687
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<v Speaker 1>the offline my take on that. But but yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can also, as I say, you can check me

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<v Speaker 1>out as always want every month on the Brave and

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<v Speaker 1>the Boys YouTube channel for our uh pre order preorder

691
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<v Speaker 1>show looking at the final order cutoffs of the new

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<v Speaker 1>really released pre orders every month on that channel. Check

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<v Speaker 1>it out and you can follow me in all the

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<v Speaker 1>socials at Chris Balga. You can check out Marvel Lines

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter at Marvel a Podcast. You can follow the

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<v Speaker 1>Gee Cultimate Alliance Network on Twitter at gapod network. You

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<v Speaker 1>can email the show at Marble Alliance Podcast at gmail

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Feel free to tweet email for onvide feedback.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us your again. Are putting it out there right now.

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<v Speaker 1>We've already broken down this. We have seen the thor one.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to talk to us about that, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we are glad to have it and love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear that and hear your thoughts about that. Continued

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<v Speaker 1>rate review the Marble Line Solo feed on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon Music, wherever you get your podcast, greatly appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we close out twenty twenty five. At this point, David,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely want to thank each and every one of

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<v Speaker 1>you listeners, your viewers. Thank you for being a loyal listener,

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<v Speaker 1>loyal viewer of Marvel Lines. We cannot do this without you.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a great pleasure to do this weekend week out.

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<v Speaker 1>We hope you've enjoyed our breakdowns this year twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>We've got some bangers coming up at this point. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a heck of a year with Daredevil

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<v Speaker 1>Borne again season two. We've got We've got, as we said,

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<v Speaker 1>Avengrew's Doomsday, We've got Spider and Brand New Day. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got some great here. I know we're going to start

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth with wonder Man. That's going to be an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting one to start off the year at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of January, but we will be here for all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of you that celebrate the upcoming holidays, we

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<v Speaker 1>wish you a very merry holiday, Very happy holiday. Stay

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<v Speaker 1>safe out there, everyone, and as Dan and I would say, excelsior,

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<v Speaker 1>true believers. All Right, David, our final post credits discussion

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty five. What do you have for us,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, fun one? What movie or project originally slated

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty five? This can include anything that has

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<v Speaker 2>been pushed back, canceled, or just fell off the face

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<v Speaker 2>of the earth. Were you most excited about that you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get to see Wonder Man?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, I mean looking back at you know what

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<v Speaker 1>we did in the previous episode of kind of looking

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<v Speaker 1>at our our own rankings of where this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff was. I mean, the easy answer is there double

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<v Speaker 1>born again. I mean, that's that's the easy answer at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. But I would say, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hinted towards and it kind of said it in that

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<v Speaker 1>episode too, that I was quite excited, surprisingly excited about

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<v Speaker 1>Friendly Neighbor spider Man because it was new, a new

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man animated show. It ended up kind of really

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<v Speaker 1>surprising me better than I thought it was gonna be,

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<v Speaker 1>and it became just a it wasn't just a sweet

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<v Speaker 1>version of just Spider Man. It actually dealt with some

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<v Speaker 1>hard hitting stuff and didn't pull some punches with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like the creativity they did with it. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>born Again as the low hanging fruit. But I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>you're friendly new but Spider Man for.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, Yeah, that's good one. Out of what got release,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say Daredevil was most anticipated out of what

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<v Speaker 2>Never Saw the light of Day. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the reasons, and I one thousand percent back

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons, but I am so sad that we are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to see what could have

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<v Speaker 2>been with the King Dynasty.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair, I mean I moved on from it, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>an enter my thought process. But yes, you did say

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<v Speaker 1>never see the light of day yet Kang Dynasty because

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<v Speaker 1>I adore that story in the comics. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you want to see where the Avengers get

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<v Speaker 1>completely wrecked more than thanis could ever do, read The

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<v Speaker 1>King Dynasty by Kerk Busiek and George Perez because that

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the best Avenger stories of all time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that, yeah, go ahead, that is one that I again,

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<v Speaker 2>I every reason that they had for canceling, that they

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<v Speaker 2>check all the boxes. I have no problems with them. Saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, we're not going forward. But the storyline

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<v Speaker 2>itself just you know, came building his empire cross time,

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<v Speaker 2>the large conflicts that was happening that just I want.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so looking forward to seeing that. But then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we we had to make a plot shift.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Joceph were made. Now, I would say out

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<v Speaker 1>of movies, out of the three movies that came out,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Thunderbolts was when it came down to it,

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<v Speaker 1>out of the three, Thunderbolts was the one that I

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<v Speaker 1>was excited about because I liked a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>characters and where they set that up, and it met

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<v Speaker 1>my expectations and it was it was a true story

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<v Speaker 1>that I wanted that met my expectations and then some

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<v Speaker 1>a very personal story at that rate, so that if

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<v Speaker 1>I had to pick a movie, you'd be that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I literally had the conversation earlier we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that movie and someone they were saying that they

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<v Speaker 2>were surprised when listening to the last episode that that

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<v Speaker 2>would have been my pick out of my favorite of

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<v Speaker 2>the movies and so and I told them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>given anything that I've dealt with mental health wise, anything

787
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.519
<v Speaker 2>my family's dealt with mental health wise. They go that

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it hit those beats, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>it touched on that in such significant manner, and the

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<v Speaker 2>way that it dealt with that, I go to me

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<v Speaker 2>that made it more important than any of the other

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<v Speaker 2>movies released.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so but all right, well, we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>all in twenty twenty six. Happy New Year everyone, Hope

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<v Speaker 1>you've enjoyed this, and uh again we will see you then.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a great year ahead of us. Stay safe

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<v Speaker 1>out there and enjoy that break for all you that celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to you later, all right, bye bye, see you