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Speaker 2: Chris, I'm the nerve with the mouth David.
Speaker 1: Alliance Volume two and eighty one, and this very much
Speaker 1: might be the final Marvel Alliance of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: And you know what, we are not gonna disappoint you.
Speaker 1: We are bringing to you the first Avengers Doomsday teaser
Speaker 1: trailer that you know what. We have it, We've seen it,
Speaker 1: We've seen it a number of times, and you know what,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this show, and we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: good time doing it because this is the March towards
Speaker 1: Avengers dooms dive. So this time next year, you know,
Speaker 1: we we're finally in the midst of it. Because what's
Speaker 1: the release date of it, David, what do we have
Speaker 1: the official release date?
Speaker 2: Let's see, let me play it actually headed up a
Speaker 2: moment ago.
Speaker 1: Yep, December eighteenth, So yeah, we are officially one year
Speaker 1: away as of recording tonight, we are one year away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that is amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm super super excited about it. I'm super excited to
Speaker 2: get at least something, even if it is a dash
Speaker 2: and a sprinkle.
Speaker 1: Yeah so but yeah, So anyways, how has been your week?
Speaker 2: My week has been good. I'm on the final road
Speaker 2: towards Christmas break and Christmas vacation, so I'm really really
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. Just have most people are counting
Speaker 2: down to Christmas, I'm counting down one more wake up
Speaker 2: until I'm officially off of work for two weeks.
Speaker 1: Yep, And same with me, Like we have a half
Speaker 1: day tomorrow and then we have some travel plans and
Speaker 1: some stay home plans and things like that, so we
Speaker 1: are I'm looking forward to two full weeks off and
Speaker 1: get into decompress. Had some good news this week at work,
Speaker 1: so we're, you know, we're rocking and rolling but uh
Speaker 1: but yeah, so the uh it's you know, we were
Speaker 1: we were hoping for something and we luckily received it
Speaker 1: with our uh with the this lovely trailer. So but yeah,
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Speaker 1: as we said at the opening, David and I have
Speaker 1: seen the very first Avengers Doomsday teaser trailer. This is
Speaker 1: not a trailer. This is the definition of a teaser.
Speaker 1: This is one of four teaser trailers that are through
Speaker 1: one of three teaser trailers. And the idea is there
Speaker 1: will be a full trailer and we'll probably put full
Speaker 1: on quotes until we see it, but we'll just say
Speaker 1: four of these are teaser trailers. Is the first one.
Speaker 1: All of them are right now, and they've stuck to
Speaker 1: their guns despite what's happened this week. Marvel's stuck to
Speaker 1: their guns and they did these. Each of these are going.
Speaker 1: I mean, next week will be the Telltale Sign will
Speaker 1: they're the new trailer release, but the first one releasing
Speaker 1: with Avatar Fire and Ash. The next week will be
Speaker 1: another one, the following week will be a third one,
Speaker 1: and then supposedly a bigger, more encompassing trailer for Avengers Doomsday.
Speaker 1: Now what David and I will say this, like we
Speaker 1: have seen the trailer. Neither one of us have gone
Speaker 1: to Avatar Fire and Ash. How did we see it? Then? Yes,
Speaker 1: we have seen the lead trailer. We have seen we
Speaker 1: have seen a very poor quality of the trail. We
Speaker 1: have also seen a better version of the trailer. Right now,
Speaker 1: we are not going to be showing it because we
Speaker 1: are not going to get our channel get a copyright
Speaker 1: strike because Marvel has been going after shows. But we
Speaker 1: are going to be talking about it and going to
Speaker 1: be discussing it at that point. So we're gonna be
Speaker 1: going full full on our thoughts about this at that point.
Speaker 1: This is our entirety of the show. It will not
Speaker 1: be a long show tonight. We will not be doing
Speaker 1: any listener feedback. We won't be doing complic Club. We
Speaker 1: already said that's on Hiatus in Factor Fictions. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna be doing this tonight and it will be our
Speaker 1: so topic. So if you do not want to know
Speaker 1: anything about the very first teaser trailer, if you just
Speaker 1: want to see it on UNDUDD, well we're gonna let
Speaker 1: you know from David and I are going to stick
Speaker 1: to our guns right now. We're going to be probably
Speaker 1: taking the next two weeks off for the holidays unless
Speaker 1: something one of these trailers does reveal something huge. This
Speaker 1: seemed to warranted just because of the first full transparency.
Speaker 1: David and I have also just seen the Thor trailer
Speaker 1: as well, based on the descriptions, based on everything like that,
Speaker 1: it is not something that we feel we need to
Speaker 1: go live about next week. So we'll hold that back
Speaker 1: and see if we can see because the one we
Speaker 1: are looking forward to, the rumor is that this was
Speaker 1: the first one. Next one will be focused on Thor,
Speaker 1: next one will be focused on after that Doctor Doom,
Speaker 1: and then a proper Avengers Doomsday kind of full trailer.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, so we will be taking the next
Speaker 1: two weeks off after tonight, no extra things in the feed,
Speaker 1: but we will be back next week. That following week
Speaker 1: probably we may have to kind of do a combo
Speaker 1: episode because we'll probably have to break down some trailers
Speaker 1: and then do our twenty twenty six predictions when we
Speaker 1: come back that first full week of January. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of our setup at that point. So again, final warning,
Speaker 1: we are going to break this down. If you don't
Speaker 1: want to know anything, we will see you next year.
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird to say that, but I always
Speaker 1: enjoy saying it. So if you want to know anything,
Speaker 1: here's your warning. Full spoilers start now, three two one.
Speaker 1: Here we go. So this is you know, this is
Speaker 1: a trailer. We'll just go out and say it. This
Speaker 1: is focused on Steve Rogers. Yeah, I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you and I are in the circles.
Speaker 1: We knew the rumor was that the order was going
Speaker 1: to be Steve Rogers thor Doctor Doom and then a
Speaker 1: full trailer. So finding it now we have talked about
Speaker 1: on this show. I can't even remember how many years
Speaker 1: ago that we we broke down the story that Deadline.
Speaker 1: I think Deadline is the one who put it out
Speaker 1: there that Chris Evans was going to be returning and
Speaker 1: in some capacity as Steve Rogers and or Captain America.
Speaker 1: I almost want to say that was two or three
Speaker 1: years ago that came out and then nothing came of it.
Speaker 1: So this is the first evidence that it is. So
Speaker 1: that is what this trailer is focused on. So before
Speaker 1: we even break it down, what do we think about
Speaker 1: this strategy of just putting it in Avatar fire and
Speaker 1: Ash making exclusive despite the leaks, despite all the leaks,
Speaker 1: including another leak that happened earlier in the week with
Speaker 1: a very bad leak, very bad transfer of the new
Speaker 1: Spider Man brand, New Day at that point, so they
Speaker 1: are definitely scramming. They're definitely trying to need tight in
Speaker 1: their shit. But overall, David, what do you think about
Speaker 1: this strategy of just making exclusive to Avatar, Because I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I don't think Avatar needs the
Speaker 1: help of an Avengers trailer to do it.
Speaker 2: I do not like this strategy strictly because it is
Speaker 2: solely tied to Avatar. If this was a situation where
Speaker 2: they put this out with multiple movies and you got
Speaker 2: one different one every week and they were just trying
Speaker 2: to help revitalize the movie industry, right now, I would
Speaker 2: be a little bit more lenient to how I feel
Speaker 2: about this, but the fact that this is solely a
Speaker 2: way to drive people to continue to see Avatar and
Speaker 2: run revenue up and ticket sales up. For that, I
Speaker 2: absolutely dislike it. And movie tickets aren't cheap. Yes, I
Speaker 2: have a list. Other people have other ways that they
Speaker 2: are able to watch multiple movies a month and things
Speaker 2: like that. But if you don't and you're trying to
Speaker 2: go see this, that's anywhere from ten to twenty bucks
Speaker 2: just to be able to see this and to see
Speaker 2: Avatar again. I watched the first Avatar, I did not
Speaker 2: watch the second. I don't plan on watching the third.
Speaker 2: And for them to use this as a to reel
Speaker 2: me into something that's already going to make money, I'd
Speaker 2: rather you attached us to that Timothy Shalloon May movie
Speaker 2: or something else, or a new movie every week to
Speaker 2: just drive people to the theater. If your big thing
Speaker 2: is to have them see these teasers in theater, don't
Speaker 2: just attach it to one movie that you have to
Speaker 2: see four times over four separate weeks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I and you know, for us, for us in the know,
Speaker 1: and for us that I kind of lives and breathes
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. The content creators. You know, they've always said, oh,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna put in theaters, and nine times out
Speaker 1: of ten they end up putting out the week week
Speaker 1: of at that point or the day it goes out,
Speaker 1: and we know we're getting it. But this is the
Speaker 1: first time they've really stuck to their guns besides the leaks.
Speaker 1: And I selfishly, I don't like it because it kind
Speaker 1: of puts us in a bind of having to go
Speaker 1: to leaks. And I mean, I'll be honest with you, David,
Speaker 1: and I necessarily don't didn't really want to do it,
Speaker 1: go at it for the leak, but neither one of
Speaker 1: us are going to be paying to see Avatar four times.
Speaker 1: And for you, all the listeners who want to see
Speaker 1: us and have us break this down, you know, we're
Speaker 1: doing this because we enjoy doing this. We want to
Speaker 1: put it out there for those of you that also
Speaker 1: like us that we're not going to see Avatar four times.
Speaker 1: I'm going to see it. I don't know when I'm
Speaker 1: going to see it over my break, but I'm also
Speaker 1: not rushing out for purposes to see it for this
Speaker 1: trailer alone four times. I you know, it's an extra
Speaker 1: thing added into for the general audience to get kind
Speaker 1: of excited about this, to remind them that don't aren't
Speaker 1: in the stratosphere of always watching all the content. Those
Speaker 1: that know, I've always known this. This is the build
Speaker 1: up hype for Avengers Doom's Day. What I will say
Speaker 1: is I don't like it as a content creator, but
Speaker 1: I will say this, and I'll play Devil's advocate. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I agree with it, but now they have
Speaker 1: four weeks of dialogue about Avengers Doom's Day, That's where
Speaker 1: I'll say, like, I don't it's I don't like it,
Speaker 1: but that's where they're thinking. But I still don't think
Speaker 1: that it was the best move. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, I understand their reasoning. I just I don't like
Speaker 2: that they've only attached it to one movie and you're
Speaker 2: driving up viewership for something that honestly does not and
Speaker 2: will not need it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know we're it is what it is,
Speaker 1: and that's why we decided we're still going to break
Speaker 1: it down because especially with some of the trusted people
Speaker 1: who are in the know and have seen Avatar have
Speaker 1: basically in so many words, confirmed that what was leaked
Speaker 1: is the trailer at that point that David and I
Speaker 1: had seen, so so we feel comfortable breaking this down
Speaker 1: and doing doing this so kind of looking at further
Speaker 1: of it. So as we you know, we'll we'll we
Speaker 1: are not going to be pulling it up on screen
Speaker 1: because again they'll be they have they have struck a
Speaker 1: number of uh you know, copyright strikes and things like that,
Speaker 1: but we will pull it up on our end to
Speaker 1: break it down for you in case you have not
Speaker 1: personally seen it. So it does start off with with
Speaker 1: we get stee, we get a man that we know
Speaker 1: is Steve Rogers riding on a motorcycle. Now, as we know,
Speaker 1: Steve Rogers has been very much always about riding on
Speaker 1: his motorcycles.
Speaker 2: So and Steve in the comics is on his motorcycle
Speaker 2: a lot. We've have various images throughout the MCU of
Speaker 2: Steve on a motorcycle, including that seen from Age of Ultron.
Speaker 2: We have a motor motorcycle in Captain America First Avenger,
Speaker 2: so it's it's not new to us to see him
Speaker 2: with the motorcycle.
Speaker 1: And one of the other things too is you know
Speaker 1: some people have pointed out like the year the bi
Speaker 1: and things like that, it could be different now with
Speaker 1: always with trailers, especially with this one too, that they
Speaker 1: could be also playing with time, you know, and how
Speaker 1: scenes are shot and put together too, to kind of
Speaker 1: make things like look like they're happening all in the
Speaker 1: same area. I think they're also playing with this also.
Speaker 1: The overture that is playing is the Avengers scene you
Speaker 1: hear with just a simple piano that they've done before.
Speaker 1: So Steve gets off the bike and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: very kind of classic helmet living on a suburban street.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't know the exact time, our year
Speaker 1: he's living in at this point, because we know he's
Speaker 1: come back. This is the house he showed up with
Speaker 1: Peggy at the end of endgame, you know, walking up
Speaker 1: the steps and we get to see a look at
Speaker 1: his what was basically his endgame costume and taking it
Speaker 1: out of the drawer. Now, something you know kind of
Speaker 1: going into this at this point is you know, as
Speaker 1: we said, we don't know. We know sometimes passed as
Speaker 1: a big reveal will happen a little bit. But do
Speaker 1: you think, David, that Steve came to this when he
Speaker 1: met with Peggy and just put down the shield, put
Speaker 1: down his uniform and officially retired, or do you think
Speaker 1: he stayed on his CAP for a while to maybe
Speaker 1: fix some wrongs and eventually retired or went into kind
Speaker 1: of semi retirement. What do you think.
Speaker 2: I think he went into a semi retirement more of
Speaker 2: a hey, I'm back, I'm here for you, but also
Speaker 2: as needed when big things happen. He may have done
Speaker 2: some sneaking around Cap and just you know, out here
Speaker 2: doing kind of like what we just read about in
Speaker 2: Spider Man, where you know he would make business trips,
Speaker 2: but during those business trips, when big things happened, he
Speaker 2: couldn't help but be that hero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it's always hard because again he's
Speaker 1: he was always the one to say say, like, you
Speaker 1: can't just sit there and let evil triumph. You know,
Speaker 1: he even making the hard choice. That's who Steve Rogers is,
Speaker 1: even without the shield. So you see him take it
Speaker 1: out kind of take a look at it, and it's
Speaker 1: an amazing uniform. I love the endgame one, but but
Speaker 1: look at this, like he takes it out of a drawer.
Speaker 1: But then we kind of get a new cut to
Speaker 1: him putting it in a chest. So something has happened,
Speaker 1: you know where he's putting it away. And when you're
Speaker 1: putting in kind of a chest like this, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to me you're going to be taking You're looking
Speaker 1: to take it out again, You're looking to put it aside,
Speaker 1: move on with your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, when I think about a lot of
Speaker 2: comic book movies that we've seen in the past, the
Speaker 2: chest is where they keep the costume when they're ready
Speaker 2: for action. I think of Daredevil having it in the closet,
Speaker 2: hitting around. I think about Spider Man in his apartment
Speaker 2: ready to you know, kick open that chest and grab
Speaker 2: that costume mouth. So I wonder if this is more
Speaker 2: of this is my quick action chess versus I'm locking
Speaker 2: this away for good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, that's an interesting way to put it, But
Speaker 1: you're right, it just kind of seemed like the reason
Speaker 1: I went to kind of putting it away is like
Speaker 1: he takes it out of the drawer at that point.
Speaker 1: But then again, we don't know the sequence of this,
Speaker 1: but like he's closing it, you know, ending his chapter.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I was kind of thinking of
Speaker 1: the symbolism of instead.
Speaker 2: Of closing the proverbial door or chest on his time
Speaker 2: as Captain America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so as we go forward, we go it's not
Speaker 1: just Steve we get we now get Steve Rogers is
Speaker 1: officially a dad. And David, I know you want to
Speaker 1: say it because we're all thinking it at that point.
Speaker 1: What did she Hulks say, Captain America. Yep, So yeah,
Speaker 1: Steve is a dad. So we we don't see Peggy
Speaker 1: in this, but it is the house and anything like that.
Speaker 1: So Steve is a daddy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You gotta assume at this point that that was part
Speaker 2: of the plan when he went back. That's part of
Speaker 2: what he wouldn't talk about with Sam when Sam asked him,
Speaker 2: do you want to talk about it, and he said no,
Speaker 2: I don't think I will. You know that this is
Speaker 2: part of what he decided to go back and create
Speaker 2: an entire life that he never got to lead because
Speaker 2: he was out here being cat yep, And I think
Speaker 2: that was It wasn't just the reveal of Steve, you know,
Speaker 2: officially being back at that point, but that he is
Speaker 2: a father and I'm guessing that's the son. It's kind
Speaker 2: of I'm just going off of just what I can tell,
Speaker 2: and he's looking very happily as a father and you know,
Speaker 2: then we looking totally on it. Then we get Steve
Speaker 2: Rogers will return and Avengers Doomsday, and that is our
Speaker 2: that is our trailer, or assume me that is our teaser.
Speaker 2: Forts So they chose to start off.
Speaker 1: With maybe the biggest one. And so do you feel
Speaker 1: out of the four things that we know that we
Speaker 1: have been rumored to come, it was going to be
Speaker 1: Steve Thor, doctor Doom, Avenger Full Avengers, Doom's Doom to
Speaker 1: say trailer. Do you think it was a right choice
Speaker 1: for them to start off with Steve.
Speaker 2: Rogers for if they're building up to the big trailer,
Speaker 2: I say yes, because he is the biggest name other
Speaker 2: than doctor Doom, and he is the when you start
Speaker 2: telling people, hey, Captain America is back, especially a certain
Speaker 2: section of people, that Steve Rogers Captain America is back,
Speaker 2: that will bring them in. So this, this is going
Speaker 2: to bring you in more than hey we've got another Thor.
Speaker 2: We know Thor's coming back, We've seen Thor, we know
Speaker 2: what's going on with him. Doctor Doom. He saved that
Speaker 2: one for last because it's Doom. But this is grab
Speaker 2: the people with the big name, with the your your
Speaker 2: captain is back here you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it wasn't necessarily the wrong choice
Speaker 1: to do, especially when you think about it in the
Speaker 1: sense of who the the Avengers Trinity is, being that
Speaker 1: Captain America the first Avenger, followed up by Thor. Then
Speaker 1: you know, then we've get Tony Stark. Now, this isn't
Speaker 1: our Tony Stark, but doctor Doom. As the Russos have said,
Speaker 1: this is a very this is a Tony Stark variant.
Speaker 1: This is not our Doctor Doom. They have been very
Speaker 1: clear on that many times, that this is a Tony
Speaker 1: Stark variant that is calling himself Doctor Doom.
Speaker 2: But again, so please don't get up in arms. This
Speaker 2: isn't the Victor you know from the comics. We have
Speaker 2: already established this is not the Victor von Doom that
Speaker 2: you know from the comics. This is a whole different avenue.
Speaker 2: So please calm it down a bit, very calm.
Speaker 1: But again, this is purposely this is our original Avengers
Speaker 1: Trinity here though that makes sense now, but I want
Speaker 1: you to pay attention. It said Steve Rogers will return
Speaker 1: at Avengers Doomsday. It did not say Captain America will return.
Speaker 1: A couple of things that I think about with that, Well,
Speaker 1: Captain America is not Steve Rogers anymore. Captain America is
Speaker 1: Sam Wilson. So there's one thing, there's honor amongst the
Speaker 1: shield being passed on. Two, there have been a lot
Speaker 1: of rumors going around even before this trailer leaked, even
Speaker 1: before this that when Chris Evans is rumored to be
Speaker 1: returning and signed back on that he would be portraying
Speaker 1: maybe different multiverse characters of Steve. I think we've talked
Speaker 1: about it, and I think we've done factor of fictions on
Speaker 1: this saying we'll be seeing more than one Captain America.
Speaker 1: We've heard lots of rumors for years, even with Doctor
Speaker 1: transon multi versus Maddening like Hydra Steve from Secret Empire.
Speaker 1: I think there's a very good possibility of that. I
Speaker 1: think there's even stronger possibility that Steve will take on
Speaker 1: the persona of No Mad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's what I feel is after seeing
Speaker 2: this and thinking about the fact that Steve might have
Speaker 2: been doing some side hustling hero work and not full
Speaker 2: on Captain America, because again he gave up the Shield
Speaker 2: and everything, so I could see a situation where, yes,
Speaker 2: this is the nomad version of Steve Rogers, and he
Speaker 2: he would be respectful knowing that he gave this shield up,
Speaker 2: he gave that up, and this is where he's going
Speaker 2: from here on. So I could definitely see the version
Speaker 2: that we see in this trailer, not necessarily the main
Speaker 2: Steve Rogers that we're going to see in the movie,
Speaker 2: but the version from this trailer is the nomad version.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll throw another wrench into this mix as well,
Speaker 1: that we people make an assumption that when Steve brought
Speaker 1: back the stones and were supposed to put them back
Speaker 1: into place, that timelines were redone timeline, he respected the
Speaker 1: timeline and that he when he met up back with
Speaker 1: Peggy that was still this was still reality six one six,
Speaker 1: and that he just somehow existed throughout the time it
Speaker 1: has been there in a different form of Steve Rodgers.
Speaker 1: At that point, however, the Russos, and this was before
Speaker 1: they jumped on with coming back on for Doomsday in
Speaker 1: Secret Wars, that they have said that no, that's not
Speaker 1: what we feel at all. They have said that Steve
Speaker 1: didn't go back to the timeline. They have said that
Speaker 1: after on game he is on a different timeline. He
Speaker 1: is on a different reality, so that if they're gonna
Speaker 1: stick to what they said after I can't remember when
Speaker 1: that happened when they kind of a stat and kind
Speaker 1: of push back on that. But if this is a
Speaker 1: different reality, could this be a reality where Steve that
Speaker 1: Steve Rogers didn't come back. Could that be that he
Speaker 1: comes in and his reality and kind of you know
Speaker 1: that Steve didn't make it through, you know, his fight
Speaker 1: with Red Skull and everything like that, and kind of
Speaker 1: takes the position at that point. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: one thing. If we're going to take the rules of
Speaker 1: the face value, and there's nothing that says they don't
Speaker 1: change their mind, and they kind of he is on
Speaker 1: six one six, But I think that gets really that
Speaker 1: gets messy. Yeah, And it's always been a messy thing
Speaker 1: until they came out and said that, I can more
Speaker 1: accept that he's on a different reality because that's kind
Speaker 1: of what the ancient one had told Bruce Banner, like,
Speaker 1: there is no way once you go back and you
Speaker 1: you do this, that you will create other branches of timelines.
Speaker 1: You it's not that the die has been cast. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The main reason that I feel like this isn't our
Speaker 2: main earth this isn't Earth six one six is because
Speaker 2: of Sharon Carter.
Speaker 1: I feel like, who who's that?
Speaker 2: I feel like she would have recognized her aunt, Peggy's
Speaker 2: baby daddy had it been she made out the same
Speaker 2: person that she made out with. I'm that would be
Speaker 2: a little awkward. We don't kink shame. But again, this
Speaker 2: guy looks exactly like your uncle. There's there's something going
Speaker 2: on here.
Speaker 1: That's not your mother. It's a mad baby.
Speaker 2: So that that's that's my main reasoning for thinking that
Speaker 2: this is a separate Earth, because that would make a
Speaker 2: lot of events of Civil War just very very awkward,
Speaker 2: and it brings into more of a understanding of like
Speaker 2: how he shows up when he does, and like I said,
Speaker 2: it just gets really interesting. And it's what we always
Speaker 2: joke around saying, all these huge events come around were
Speaker 2: the Avengers. Steve just happened to stay in the background
Speaker 2: and kind of go going against what he said, but
Speaker 2: also in the sense of like he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: ruin a timeline, so someone could say that too, but
Speaker 2: I just I'm with you. I don't think this is
Speaker 2: Earth six one six or Earth nineteen ninety ninety ninety nine, whatever,
Speaker 2: we're want to call him, No, it's it's definitely a
Speaker 2: branching timeline. I had a whole conversation with my girlfriend
Speaker 2: earlier about how multiversal theory and like it's got to
Speaker 2: be the minute he went back and he decided to
Speaker 2: have a kid, it branched off something entirely different, and
Speaker 2: that's the version that we're seeing, is the different branch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's take our it's for what I canna
Speaker 1: end up our only ad break for the evening before
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Speaker 1: So with that idea that we're both kind of on
Speaker 1: the page that this is a separate reality, you know,
Speaker 1: putting the duxtaposition of the idea that could be a
Speaker 1: earth either where Steve Rogers passed away, Because again, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's just gonna walk in and see Peggy
Speaker 1: and Peggy's just gonna hook up with him and be
Speaker 1: with him if she doesn't didn't have a prior relationship
Speaker 1: with a Steve Rogers, you know. Yeah, so there's that
Speaker 1: the implications how does this set up for Doom's day
Speaker 1: in Secret Wars as well as what does this play
Speaker 1: into Doctor Doom's issue with him? Could Steve going back
Speaker 1: and dropping up the stones and setting himself up in
Speaker 1: this reality being happy, being with Peggy having a child?
Speaker 1: Did this lead to negatively affecting Doctor do Doom's own
Speaker 1: reality in the sense of did he lead to an
Speaker 1: incursion on his world? Did it lead to did it
Speaker 1: lead to something affecting his reality in a negative way?
Speaker 1: Like something? There are rumors saying that it is going
Speaker 1: to be a fight. This is a fight between Steve Rogers.
Speaker 1: Movies focused very much on Steve Rodgers versus Door Doctor
Speaker 1: Doom's Tony Stark variant. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, in the past we have seen that both Cap
Speaker 2: and those that he worked with in the beginning had
Speaker 2: ties to Howard Stark. So what's to say that him
Speaker 2: going back to the past had a negative effect on
Speaker 2: Howard Stark and his enterprise that he was building, which
Speaker 2: caused a rift in there that could have made Howard
Speaker 2: then go into a different route, which would then pass
Speaker 2: down to Tony taking that different route as well. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of I wonder about how this affects that
Speaker 2: because we saw an agent Carter we saw in the
Speaker 2: First Avenger, we saw just in many different timelines of
Speaker 2: how Howard Startworth's working directly with these programs. So because
Speaker 2: of that, him going back in time, could that change
Speaker 2: the trajectory of Howard, which could then change the trajectory
Speaker 2: of where Tony went from there, and that's how he
Speaker 2: ended up in the space of Doom.
Speaker 1: Or is doctor Doom necessarily of is this from Steve's reality?
Speaker 1: You know something that he did, something that he villain,
Speaker 1: He faced down and he wanted to come down, Like
Speaker 1: you said, if Steve moonlighted or didn't necessarily fully put
Speaker 1: down the shield or to give up his vigilanteism, he
Speaker 1: did something to Doom and this is Doom's revenge, which
Speaker 1: leads to the idea of our end credit scene and
Speaker 1: Fantastic four is if interactions with Franklin Richard. Franklin Richard
Speaker 1: being a major Omega level mutant can have reality warping
Speaker 1: powers of the highest order, Doom is seeking him out
Speaker 1: to create a reality where he wants to rule and
Speaker 1: destroy all others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that there's so many different scenarios that I
Speaker 2: can think of to create this new version of Doom.
Speaker 2: I am just I'm very excited to see the face
Speaker 2: to face between Steve Rogers and this version of Doom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially as I said, like the first time they
Speaker 1: see his face and they don't see a Doom, they
Speaker 1: see Doc, they see Tony, and all of them know
Speaker 1: Tony is dead. But they have also said the Russo's
Speaker 1: have also said that Tony and the snap that he
Speaker 1: did had more effects than just wiping out Danus. You know,
Speaker 1: his snap did more to bring on this variant. And
Speaker 1: that's where and they keep on saying, like, you know
Speaker 1: again that Endgame, this is a sequel to Endgame. Who
Speaker 1: I didn't realize there were strands handing out there, you know,
Speaker 1: outside of what they there and this is all Sometimes
Speaker 1: what I worry too, is that they're going to it
Speaker 1: is what it is, retcons some things or put some
Speaker 1: things into place that say like, oh, it was always there.
Speaker 1: It really wasn't there, you know, it just happened to
Speaker 1: be a convenient thread that you just pulled on to say,
Speaker 1: see this one little thing, this proves it happens. I mean,
Speaker 1: we in the combook community to do it all the time,
Speaker 1: but you know, so it again. Overall it was it
Speaker 1: was a you know, a good teether trailer. It set
Speaker 1: up the idea of confirming Chris Evans's back, confirming that
Speaker 1: Steve is not necessarily being cath In Merrick at this point,
Speaker 1: He's a father and just like Steve is gonna go
Speaker 1: for anything, you guarantee you you step in front of
Speaker 1: Steve's not just his wife and I'm assuming he ain't
Speaker 1: Peggy or MegaNet married, but you step in trying to
Speaker 1: take away his son. At that point, what did Tony
Speaker 1: say in endgame? I got you know, get everyone back great.
Speaker 1: I will not compromise losing what I have gained from it.
Speaker 1: He even realized as a father, as a husband, but
Speaker 1: particularly being a father, that he would not ever do
Speaker 1: anything to ever compromise what he has gained. And I
Speaker 1: think that Steve is going to now understand what that
Speaker 1: is to a different to a to a very similar degree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you and I both know, fatherhood changed you
Speaker 2: a whole different perspective, and I'd be excited to see
Speaker 2: what Steve's reasoning would be for taking back up the
Speaker 2: shield or taking back up the mantle is now that
Speaker 2: he's a father.
Speaker 1: Yeah so but as as you said, so we we
Speaker 1: have just right before air, we were able to get
Speaker 1: access to the the Thorum based on the descriptions that
Speaker 1: have been shared and been very consistent at that point
Speaker 1: and matches up. So we'll kind of wait and see.
Speaker 1: But if it ends up being the right one, set
Speaker 1: your expectations not high. This if that ends up being
Speaker 1: one eight is not going to be as kind of
Speaker 1: I mean, this was big, but this is this doesn't
Speaker 1: raise the same level. I think we're all now waiting
Speaker 1: on the Doctor Doom trailer because this will be our
Speaker 1: first look at Robert Downey Junior as this Tony Stark
Speaker 1: Doctor Doom variant, and I think that's that's the one
Speaker 1: I'm most excited for besides the proper Doomsday trailer. So yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that is our kind of breakdown at
Speaker 1: that point. So as I said, that's going to be
Speaker 1: kind of our main part of our show. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: we will deal post credits as ah, but we will
Speaker 1: take a break at least for right now until twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six with listener questions, Comic Book Club and Factor fictions.
Speaker 1: At this point, like I said, David and I are
Speaker 1: going to take the next two weeks off. Even if
Speaker 1: we do get a hold of the Doctor Doom one,
Speaker 1: just say we get it a hold next week, David
Speaker 1: and I are going to take a break. I need
Speaker 1: not from each other. We love each other, but you
Speaker 1: know we you know, we do this as much in
Speaker 1: the holidays for us are are very important and uh
Speaker 1: doing that at that point, but rest assured if we
Speaker 1: feel something that really it's got to really rise our
Speaker 1: attention the next episode we come back, we will break
Speaker 1: down everything at that point and we'll be very excited
Speaker 1: to because again we'll the Thor and possibly Doctor Doom
Speaker 1: maybe an Avengers Doomsday. I don't know. Will Disney come
Speaker 1: to their senses and just start putting this stuff out
Speaker 1: and try to come back the leakers, But I'll give
Speaker 1: them this, they didn't. They didn't blink. I thought they would,
Speaker 1: I really did. I thought with them on the leaks
Speaker 1: and everything that came out with this one alone, I
Speaker 1: thought they were gonna blink. But they're not blinking, so
Speaker 1: more power to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's they're they're definitely standing their ground on this one.
Speaker 2: So they've made a decision and they are all in
Speaker 2: on it. Ye.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, so like we said, we will be
Speaker 1: all for the next two weeks. Nothing in the feeds
Speaker 1: for that. We're we're gonna kind of keep go go
Speaker 1: dark with that at that point. But first Thursday in
Speaker 1: January we will do our trailer breakdown, So there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a chonky episode if any new because the Hollywood's
Speaker 1: also going to do it dark in the next for
Speaker 1: the next two weeks as well, So we'll also have
Speaker 1: mister Stell back on for the twenty twenty six predictions.
Speaker 1: We'll see, as I say, we will revisit our twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five and see who was correct and who got
Speaker 1: wrecked with their predictions. So it's always a fun time
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Speaker 1: We hope you've enjoyed our breakdowns this year twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: We've got some bangers coming up at this point. It's
Speaker 1: going to be a heck of a year with Daredevil
Speaker 1: Borne again season two. We've got We've got, as we said,
Speaker 1: Avengrew's Doomsday, We've got Spider and Brand New Day. We've
Speaker 1: got some great here. I know we're going to start
Speaker 1: the Earth with wonder Man. That's going to be an
Speaker 1: interesting one to start off the year at the end
Speaker 1: of January, but we will be here for all of it.
Speaker 1: For those of you that celebrate the upcoming holidays, we
Speaker 1: wish you a very merry holiday, Very happy holiday. Stay
Speaker 1: safe out there, everyone, and as Dan and I would say, excelsior,
Speaker 1: true believers. All Right, David, our final post credits discussion
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. What do you have for us,
Speaker 1: my friend?
Speaker 2: Oh right, fun one? What movie or project originally slated
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five? This can include anything that has
Speaker 2: been pushed back, canceled, or just fell off the face
Speaker 2: of the earth. Were you most excited about that you
Speaker 2: didn't get to see Wonder Man?
Speaker 1: No? No, I mean looking back at you know what
Speaker 1: we did in the previous episode of kind of looking
Speaker 1: at our our own rankings of where this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff was. I mean, the easy answer is there double
Speaker 1: born again. I mean, that's that's the easy answer at
Speaker 1: that point. But I would say, and I kind of
Speaker 1: hinted towards and it kind of said it in that
Speaker 1: episode too, that I was quite excited, surprisingly excited about
Speaker 1: Friendly Neighbor spider Man because it was new, a new
Speaker 1: Spider Man animated show. It ended up kind of really
Speaker 1: surprising me better than I thought it was gonna be,
Speaker 1: and it became just a it wasn't just a sweet
Speaker 1: version of just Spider Man. It actually dealt with some
Speaker 1: hard hitting stuff and didn't pull some punches with it,
Speaker 1: and I like the creativity they did with it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: born Again as the low hanging fruit. But I'd say
Speaker 1: you're friendly new but Spider Man for.
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, that's good one. Out of what got release,
Speaker 2: I would say Daredevil was most anticipated out of what
Speaker 2: Never Saw the light of Day. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I understand the reasons, and I one thousand percent back
Speaker 2: the reasons, but I am so sad that we are
Speaker 2: not going to be able to see what could have
Speaker 2: been with the King Dynasty.
Speaker 1: Fair, I mean I moved on from it, I mean
Speaker 1: an enter my thought process. But yes, you did say
Speaker 1: never see the light of day yet Kang Dynasty because
Speaker 1: I adore that story in the comics. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you if you want to see where the Avengers get
Speaker 1: completely wrecked more than thanis could ever do, read The
Speaker 1: King Dynasty by Kerk Busiek and George Perez because that
Speaker 1: is one of the best Avenger stories of all time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that, yeah, go ahead, that is one that I again,
Speaker 2: I every reason that they had for canceling, that they
Speaker 2: check all the boxes. I have no problems with them. Saying,
Speaker 2: you know what, we're not going forward. But the storyline
Speaker 2: itself just you know, came building his empire cross time,
Speaker 2: the large conflicts that was happening that just I want.
Speaker 2: I was so looking forward to seeing that. But then yeah,
Speaker 2: we we had to make a plot shift.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Joceph were made. Now, I would say out
Speaker 1: of movies, out of the three movies that came out,
Speaker 1: I think Thunderbolts was when it came down to it,
Speaker 1: out of the three, Thunderbolts was the one that I
Speaker 1: was excited about because I liked a lot of the
Speaker 1: characters and where they set that up, and it met
Speaker 1: my expectations and it was it was a true story
Speaker 1: that I wanted that met my expectations and then some
Speaker 1: a very personal story at that rate, so that if
Speaker 1: I had to pick a movie, you'd be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I literally had the conversation earlier we were talking
Speaker 2: about that movie and someone they were saying that they
Speaker 2: were surprised when listening to the last episode that that
Speaker 2: would have been my pick out of my favorite of
Speaker 2: the movies and so and I told them, you know,
Speaker 2: given anything that I've dealt with mental health wise, anything
Speaker 2: my family's dealt with mental health wise. They go that
Speaker 2: the fact that it hit those beats, the fact that
Speaker 2: it touched on that in such significant manner, and the
Speaker 2: way that it dealt with that, I go to me
Speaker 2: that made it more important than any of the other
Speaker 2: movies released.
Speaker 1: Yeah so but all right, well, we will see you
Speaker 1: all in twenty twenty six. Happy New Year everyone, Hope
Speaker 1: you've enjoyed this, and uh again we will see you then.
Speaker 1: We've got a great year ahead of us. Stay safe
Speaker 1: out there and enjoy that break for all you that celebrate.
Speaker 1: Talk to you later, all right, bye bye, see you