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Speaker 3: My guest today is a neuroscientist. She has herself suffered
Speaker 3: such a very young age of with migraines chronic migraines,
Speaker 3: to the point where she was basically having a migraine
Speaker 3: almost every day, and after years of suffering, she finally
Speaker 3: decided that she was gonna do some significant research over
Speaker 3: a decade's worth of research on understanding migraines and what
Speaker 3: the body does basically shuts down during one of these attacks,
Speaker 3: and she has made some groundbreaking discoveries which reveals a
Speaker 3: nutritional aspect of migraines. Now, the other thing, and this
Speaker 3: is what will come out in this interview today, is
Speaker 3: that her research has culminated in a nutritional supplement that
Speaker 3: is so effective it actually can be considered a biohacking tool.
Speaker 3: Only does it help people who have migraines, it appears
Speaker 3: to have potential health ramifications for people with dementia, Alzheimer's
Speaker 3: brain fog, which can be caused by a number of
Speaker 3: different topics, and most importantly help people relieve themselves of
Speaker 3: pharmacological remedies. The allopathic community does not have anything like this.
Speaker 3: In fact, their approach is to is to medicate rather
Speaker 3: than holistically innovate with different types of herbs, supplements nutritional
Speaker 3: remedies over drugs. And I was so impressed with this
Speaker 3: nutritional supplement that I am going to promote it as
Speaker 3: soon as possible, as soon as I get the information,
Speaker 3: and in the near future we'll talk more about it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be kind of a guinea pig on
Speaker 3: my own and start taking the supplement, and I'll report
Speaker 3: on the benefits I have. I don't have I don't
Speaker 3: have headaches, I don't have migraines, but I do have
Speaker 3: brain fog occasionally. I am, like most of us, you know,
Speaker 3: under a certain amount of stress, and I need to
Speaker 3: stay creative. I need to have enough support mentally to
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Speaker 3: my team to produce Destiny, produce Earth Ancients, and on occasion,
Speaker 3: produce Earth Ancients Special edition, either the Archives or a
Speaker 3: special program, depending on who the topic or who the
Speaker 3: guest is, or what the topic is. So stay tuned
Speaker 3: for that. And the product is called brain Ritual. If
Speaker 3: you do suffer from debilitating migraines. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I was blown away to discover that over a billion
Speaker 3: people suffer from migraines. A billion, that is one in
Speaker 3: seven people suffer from migraines. It's just amazing. So listen closely.
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna find today's program intriguing. So today's
Speaker 3: program is overcoming chronic migraines and the Brain Ritual solution
Speaker 3: with my guests, Doctor Elena Gross. I didn't know that
Speaker 3: the world suffers from migraines. I just discovered. And by
Speaker 3: the way, our program today is on migraines. That a
Speaker 3: billion people on our planet suffer from migraines, and that's amazing.
Speaker 3: When I read that, I was a bit shocked. And
Speaker 3: migraines are different than headaches. We're going to find out
Speaker 3: the details here shortly. But my guest today is Elena,
Speaker 3: doctor Elena Gross. She is a specialist on this. She
Speaker 3: is the founder and CEO of a company, and she
Speaker 3: is a passionate neuroscientist, clinical researcher, and former chronic migraine suffering.
Speaker 3: I mean, if anyone could become passionate about it as
Speaker 3: somebody who suffers from migraines. So today we're going to
Speaker 3: discover not only the causation of migraines, but solutions for
Speaker 3: those of you who have chronic migraines. We're going to
Speaker 3: have a solution for you. So Elena, welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 3: Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. It's exciting to
Speaker 2: be here.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about you. In your work, you say that
Speaker 3: you were suffering from a young age with migraines. That
Speaker 3: must have been really a challenge because because the people
Speaker 3: that I know who have migraines, there is stabilitating. You
Speaker 3: can't really do a lot when you have a severe migraine.
Speaker 3: And what I've read about and I've only read a
Speaker 3: little bit, the suggestions are, of course, take your meds,
Speaker 3: but also go to a room, be quiet, shut the
Speaker 3: world off, and if you can, try to sleep, which
Speaker 3: I thought was kind of interesting. Talk a little bit
Speaker 3: about migraines. What's the what's the what's the background on migraines?
Speaker 3: How are they? How are they formed? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Thank you. So My backstory is, as you already just
Speaker 2: quickly mentioned, is that I started getting this very debilitating
Speaker 2: headaches with some other associated in terms such as a
Speaker 2: lot of light sensitivity, so light would heard, noises would heard,
Speaker 2: I would get six or nausea. Moving would make it worse,
Speaker 2: and I would actually wake up from it. So there
Speaker 2: was no way I could go to sleep and just
Speaker 2: sleep it off because the pain was so bad that
Speaker 2: it would wake me up. So there's no way of
Speaker 2: sleeping through it. And when I was waking up with
Speaker 2: this terrible headaches and everything was like spinning, it was
Speaker 2: basically the moment for taking painkillers that would maybe work
Speaker 2: had passed because it was already so bad. So yeah,
Speaker 2: some of this advice they go to bed, sleep it off.
Speaker 2: You know, you can do that with a headache, with
Speaker 2: a tension, take hebaite, not with the micraine. Microines are
Speaker 2: typically half sided, so that's a good sign that only
Speaker 2: half of the phase or the skull the brain is affected.
Speaker 2: Mine used to be predominantly right sided, but it can
Speaker 2: be both as well. It's more rare. They're pulsating and
Speaker 2: burning in quality, and they come with light noise, even
Speaker 2: smell sensitivity, so people get really sick when they smell
Speaker 2: perfumes and all of that. Sometimes even touch sensitivity and
Speaker 2: moving makes it worse. You get sick. And also in
Speaker 2: a third of sufferers you have this so called aura face,
Speaker 2: which precedes the headache face, and there you get kind
Speaker 2: of blackening out of the visual field. You get visual
Speaker 2: disturbances or sensory disturbances. So this goes from like blacking
Speaker 2: in our parts of the visual field, people think they
Speaker 2: have a stroke all the way to like paralysis or
Speaker 2: numbness of body, so almost like seizure like symptoms, and
Speaker 2: it's transient but still, and then you get this crushing fatigue.
Speaker 2: So even before you get yawning, frequent urination, you have
Speaker 2: this craving for foods, You get irritable, and afterwards you
Speaker 2: get this kind of like a hangover phase where your
Speaker 2: body is just rained, right, you just feel so exhausted.
Speaker 2: And these are kind of phases of the migraine. And
Speaker 2: this goes all the way from like I have one
Speaker 2: attack year to I have an attack every day or
Speaker 2: at least fifty percent of the time than you're in
Speaker 2: chronic migraine, which means very difficult. So this is where
Speaker 2: I ended up in. I started having these headaches when
Speaker 2: I was fourteen. Interestingly enough, half a year after I
Speaker 2: was prescribed the contraceptive pill for hormone deficiency, so they
Speaker 2: figured out I don't have enough hormones and then they
Speaker 2: gave me artificial hormones, which probably made everything worse. And
Speaker 2: the pill actually raises ooxitive stress, which are these free
Speaker 2: radicals that destroy parts of the body by fifty percent,
Speaker 2: so you're more inflamed. And this oxitive stress that we
Speaker 2: will talk about more, these like free radical bombs. They
Speaker 2: are also the common denominator of all migraine triggers, but
Speaker 2: basically for me, it only went downhill from there. I
Speaker 2: tried everything pharmacological, all the different drugs that they give you,
Speaker 2: like convolves in drugs, entity pressants that may work for
Speaker 2: migraine or not. I tried all the alternative stuff, Chinese,
Speaker 2: urbal medicine, acupuncture, but it only kept getting worse. So
Speaker 2: by the time I was halfways through my bachelor's degree
Speaker 2: in psychology, I had chronic migraine despite trying everything, despite
Speaker 2: leaving all the food triggers and going to bed and
Speaker 2: at a regular time, and taking all the drugs and
Speaker 2: trying everything right. And then I was thinking, well, I'm
Speaker 2: never gonna lead a normal life anyway. I will never
Speaker 2: be able to hold a normal jaw, so I might
Speaker 2: as well dedicate my life for a little bit of
Speaker 2: workforce and energy. I have left research, so I switched
Speaker 2: into neuroscience. I was lucky enough to get a stipend
Speaker 2: at Oxford in England and a medical doctor who was
Speaker 2: a migraine expert took me under his wings and I
Speaker 2: did both of my master projects in migraine research and
Speaker 2: stumped across the fact or the evidence that migraine could
Speaker 2: be as much a match ofolic disease as a neurological one.
Speaker 2: And the beauty of this finding is metabolism. So the
Speaker 2: way we make energy from food, in very simple terms,
Speaker 2: is something that you might know from diabetes, right, metabolic
Speaker 2: disease one of the most known one. But it's something
Speaker 2: that we can change. We cannot change the neurological heart
Speaker 2: wiring of our brain, right, the neural connections whatever, not yet,
Speaker 2: you cannot change our genetics, but we can influence metabolism.
Speaker 2: That's called epigenetics. We can totally change this. That's in
Speaker 2: our control even today. So this is very powerful. Took
Speaker 2: me a decade to figure out what you need to do.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's what.
Speaker 3: A horrible sad story though, because some people will just
Speaker 3: like go nuts without my pain, that my discomfort. Before
Speaker 3: we get into more details, can you give us the
Speaker 3: fundamentals of what is happening physiologically that is creating migrance?
Speaker 3: What is it expanded blood vessels? Is it something in
Speaker 3: the brain? Talk about the specific so that our listeners
Speaker 3: have an idea exactly what a migraine is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, So I wish we would know too.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent certainty. But we published this quite highly
Speaker 2: what we think how the migraine is actually happening all
Speaker 2: the way from new genetics to the resolution of the attack.
Speaker 2: So let's quickly walk through this. So for a long
Speaker 2: time they thought migraine was a vascular problem, well for
Speaker 2: a long time, I say, for like the last fifty years,
Speaker 2: where they thought there was some vessels expanding and that
Speaker 2: presses against the skull and that hurts. But in the
Speaker 2: meantime this theory has been mainly debunked because we know
Speaker 2: that the dilation of the vessels is not in time
Speaker 2: coherence with the event, so it happens not before so after.
Speaker 2: So that doesn't really match. So no, I think there's
Speaker 2: a different explanation. We know that the physiological underlyking not
Speaker 2: the pain, is certain neuropeptides, certain molecules being released, and
Speaker 2: they hurt when they're around. They activate neurons, and that
Speaker 2: is pain. Right, So we know that, But why are
Speaker 2: these neural let's say, inflammatory molecules released in the first place.
Speaker 2: That's the question. And we can already say in my
Speaker 2: theory migraine. You already said a billion people in the
Speaker 2: world have migrained This cannot be an accident of nature.
Speaker 2: This is not a small nuisance mutation that is accidentally
Speaker 2: happening in every seventh person in the world. That's extremely unlikely.
Speaker 2: So that means, coming back to the ancient wisdom, that
Speaker 2: means migraine genetics must have had an evolutionary purpose an advantage.
Speaker 2: Otherwise those genes would have never been passed on to
Speaker 2: such a big degree. Right, Okay, so here we go.
Speaker 2: What is the advantage? Now? We know mechanistically migrainers' brains
Speaker 2: are hyperactive, so they are basically not habituating. And in
Speaker 2: simple terms, there's means if you without migraine were to
Speaker 2: look at a white wall or some stimulus that isn't changing,
Speaker 2: your brain at some point would drastically reduce firing because
Speaker 2: it only encodes for change. A miganus brain doesn't stop
Speaker 2: firing even if the stimulus isn't changing. It's hyperactive, so
Speaker 2: it uses more energy. And we know that even from
Speaker 2: your imaging studies, even between migrant attacks and Migan's brain
Speaker 2: on average has sixteen percent less atp or less energy
Speaker 2: currency in the brain. That's a lot sixteen percent less,
Speaker 2: so they use more energy. And again if we go
Speaker 2: back to ten thousand plus years people were maybe living
Speaker 2: in tribes around the campfire. Now you can imagine every
Speaker 2: seventh person lying around that campfire has this hyperactive brains.
Speaker 2: Those are the ones that wake up very easily and
Speaker 2: would save the tribe from the tiger approaching or whatever
Speaker 2: threat it could be, right an immigration.
Speaker 3: So you're looking at evolutionary wise as to certain people
Speaker 3: have this tendency because they have this chemistry in their
Speaker 3: brain that is hypersensitive. It's hyperactive.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, hyperactive, hyperactive, right, hyperactive. Yes, you need their
Speaker 2: brains fire.
Speaker 3: Me very fascinating price.
Speaker 2: It comes at a price. Now you have a hyperactive brain,
Speaker 2: it needs more energy. Now, ten thousand plus years ago,
Speaker 2: our salts would have been full of nutrients and minerals,
Speaker 2: our plants, and even a lot of meat and fat.
Speaker 2: It would have had a very energy dense diet. Genet
Speaker 2: takes from ten thousandlous years ago into the modern world
Speaker 2: where we are eating foods that is deprived of minerals nutrients.
Speaker 2: We are constantly having quick carbs and like fast food,
Speaker 2: and that cannot sustain those migraine brains anymore. Now you
Speaker 2: have a ferrari brain. Let's say, but you have a
Speaker 2: very small engine and it's just not sustaining it anymore. Now,
Speaker 2: what does the brain do. It has to warn us, right,
Speaker 2: it has tell us, look, slow down, it's not working.
Speaker 2: We're lacking something. But the brain cannot really talk to us,
Speaker 2: but it can warn us. So the migraine is the
Speaker 2: warning signal. The migraine is the fire alarm that there's
Speaker 2: a fire ongoing, that we're out of energy. And what
Speaker 2: does the migraine do. The migraine, as you already said,
Speaker 2: the migraine forces us to lie down, close our eyes,
Speaker 2: not move because all of that makes it worse. So
Speaker 2: it's an energy conserving behavior. The migraine tells us whoe.
Speaker 2: The pain is always a warning signal something is wrong,
Speaker 2: and it forces us to rest. So mechanistically we can
Speaker 2: explain all this. How you know the genetics hyper excitability,
Speaker 2: bad metabolism. Now this is where another part comes in.
Speaker 2: So the Miburner typically is not very adapted to our
Speaker 2: glucose or carbohydrate rich diets. So they have this more
Speaker 2: ancient maybe Pavio, let's say genetics just in simple terms, right,
Speaker 2: So metabolism is not wid or functioning so they have
Speaker 2: more energy demand met with less energy supply. It's a
Speaker 2: perfect storm in order to force us to rest to
Speaker 2: restore energy than these neuropeptides are released that hurt, and
Speaker 2: at the same time, the signals are being released to
Speaker 2: set off an ancient metabolism pathway which is keton body production,
Speaker 2: which will come into as well. So it's trying to
Speaker 2: make an alternative energy source to glucose for the brain
Speaker 2: to rest energy situation while you're lying down right, and
Speaker 2: then it's through the pain forcing you to basically rest
Speaker 2: until energy home mistakes has been restored and these very
Speaker 2: dangerous free radicals have been neutralized. So it's also trying
Speaker 2: to reduce this oxiative stress at the same time. So
Speaker 2: in an upshell, my brain is an evolutionary preserve, ancient
Speaker 2: warning signal that we need that we have too much
Speaker 2: oxi of stress or too little energy. And basically migrain
Speaker 2: has to be of evolutionary advantage otherwise it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: around today. So if we turn back to look at
Speaker 2: more like what life was like ten thousand years back,
Speaker 2: when people weren't crippled by migraines all the time, maybe
Speaker 2: we can help figure out.
Speaker 3: I love that. I think that's fantastic. I think the
Speaker 3: big problem though, is, and this is obvious to me,
Speaker 3: is the allopathic solution is just not happening, you know,
Speaker 3: to drug to mask it to cover, and I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to live without painkillers, right, But the modern
Speaker 2: medicine is turning off the warning signal. They're turning off
Speaker 2: the fire alarm because it's anoint but they're not ditinguishing
Speaker 2: the fire. So we've completely moved away from root cause treatments.
Speaker 2: A doctor doesn't have the time to drill down in
Speaker 2: any potential root causes, it's symptoms, and then they give
Speaker 2: you a treatment for this symptom. Now, everything around migraine
Speaker 2: apart from these antidepressants or anti convulsions that are off
Speaker 2: a migraine, but they work accidentally a little bit. They
Speaker 2: all impact metabolism by the way, all of them. But
Speaker 2: really migrant specific stuff is all painkillers, whether it's tonic
Speaker 2: or cute or whatever. The pain which is the most
Speaker 2: annoying symptom, but it's a symptom and it's a warning signal.
Speaker 3: Right, ask you about this. I love your your research
Speaker 3: and looking at an evolutionary approach.
Speaker 2: To this, especially for your podcast rights, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love it. What do you think in your studies
Speaker 3: was unique about these people that get migrants, was it?
Speaker 3: I mean you're saying they had early warning sensibilities, they
Speaker 3: could tell when some maybe they had a sixth sense.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's possible that it crosses over into
Speaker 3: high intuition high psychic ability.
Speaker 2: Now, a lot of I don't know too much about,
Speaker 2: let's say, autism or ADHD or these hyper sensitive people.
Speaker 2: But what I do know that a lot of these
Speaker 2: neuropsychiatric issues, they all have this hyper sensitivity component where light, doors,
Speaker 2: light noise, anything, sensory signals seems to be too strong. Right.
Speaker 2: They all seem to have this in common. And in
Speaker 2: a way, they're all connected to energy metabolism as well,
Speaker 2: So you can find mitochondrial dysfunction in almost all of them.
Speaker 2: That's one thing. So the powerhouses of the cells are
Speaker 2: not working as well anymore, and if they're not, Actually
Speaker 2: a bit more about neuroscience is one of the things
Speaker 2: that is the most energy demanding in the brain is
Speaker 2: actually filtering information. It's and you know this probably you
Speaker 2: know the cocktail party effect. Right, You're in a party
Speaker 2: or a room full of people and you can still
Speaker 2: listen to that one conversation even though there's like a
Speaker 2: million conversations around you. You can filter out all the
Speaker 2: unnecessary information but focus on the conversation you are having
Speaker 2: with a person in front of you. But if somebody
Speaker 2: else calls you your name across the room, suddenly you
Speaker 2: are stopping to filter and you can unfilter and listen
Speaker 2: to that again. Right, So this whole thing of like
Speaker 2: deciding what are we filtering, what are we focusing on?
Speaker 2: For example, you probably don't notice the chair under your
Speaker 2: bottom right now until I've mentioned it, and then you
Speaker 2: notice it, right, So you've constantly filtering and sitting on
Speaker 2: that chair and sitting here there's the air or noise
Speaker 2: or whatever. You're filtering everything out when you're listening to me,
Speaker 2: unless you focus your attention elsewhere. And this takes a
Speaker 2: lot of energy. Now, also something that is too bright,
Speaker 2: like filtering these things out take a lot of energy.
Speaker 2: So any kind of disease, neuropsychiatric disease, I would say condition,
Speaker 2: if it's a disease, well, it's debatable, right, Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: all of these have solutionary advantage to them, but they
Speaker 2: have a problem with filtering and energy metabolism, and if
Speaker 2: these brains would have more energy and less inflammation, then
Speaker 2: these problems or issues, those symptoms may not express as
Speaker 2: much anymore. Now, what I said about migraine is really
Speaker 2: the migrainer having this brains that don't habituate, meaning they
Speaker 2: don't slow down firing when something doesn't change, so they
Speaker 2: don't have this energy conserving mechanism, which in today's world
Speaker 2: is shit because you want to sleep deep even with
Speaker 2: all the distractions going on. Right, So somebody who just
Speaker 2: sleeps deep and is filtering out everything intoday's world is adaptive.
Speaker 2: But if you go ten thousand years back and you
Speaker 2: have the deepest sleep, right, you probably don't survive the night.
Speaker 2: So it's depending on which environment you put the genetics
Speaker 2: into whether they are expressing let's say positively or negatively. Right.
Speaker 2: And maybe one last thing, because this doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be all about migraine. For example, depression. Take depression super
Speaker 2: common increasingly more common in today's world, Like people are
Speaker 2: so depressed left, right and center? Why right? Again, it's
Speaker 2: so frequent, it's not an accident of nature. These mechanisms
Speaker 2: must have had an advantage and when is there a
Speaker 2: moment that we are all kind of depressed in a
Speaker 2: sense that we withdraw. We don't want to meet people,
Speaker 2: We want to stay in bed when we're sick. So
Speaker 2: depression could be stemming from sickness withdraw behavior. So again
Speaker 2: we go back ten thousand plus years when we're living
Speaker 2: in a campfire and in a cave somewhere. Now, imagine
Speaker 2: somebody called a virus. Now, if they would run around
Speaker 2: hugging everybody happily and like, they would just kill the tribe. Right,
Speaker 2: So in that sense, when they got sick, everybody kind
Speaker 2: of gets a bit depressed. You don't want to see anyone.
Speaker 2: You just want to be on your own, in your bed,
Speaker 2: tucked away, no motivation to do anything. That's what depression
Speaker 2: was today. So in a way, you know thats out
Speaker 2: today with no metabolism and a lot of information, it
Speaker 2: kind of mimics some pathways of infection. So just to
Speaker 2: say anything that affects more than zero point five to
Speaker 2: one percent of the population, you can be almost true
Speaker 2: that it's not a genetic issue. That's an environmental issue,
Speaker 2: which means if we turn back in time and we
Speaker 2: mimic our environment a little bit, more closely to what
Speaker 2: it was back then. This could really be a remedy today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your migraines and your research led to your discovery
Speaker 1: and your company launch of brain Ritual.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that in a sec and
Speaker 3: I think this is wonderful that you were inspired enough
Speaker 3: to go beyond the simple pharmacological remedies, which are not
Speaker 3: remedies at all. They are band aids, right. And so
Speaker 3: before we get into this solution, the Brain Ritual, we're
Speaker 3: going to take a short commercial break to allow our
Speaker 3: sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with
Speaker 3: my guest today, doctor Elena Gross, discussing her new product,
Speaker 3: Brain Ritual. Will be right back.
Speaker 4: Este comoas and los cuentos issus.
Speaker 3: For my guest today is doctor Elena. She has developed
Speaker 3: a new product that stems off the painful effects of
Speaker 3: migraines and looks to be a brain hack that could
Speaker 3: revolutionaries our ability to function in various states of stress.
Speaker 3: Talk a little more about the people that the one
Speaker 3: in seven who is the migraine sufferer, and it seems
Speaker 3: fairly metabolic to me, but there's also other situations where
Speaker 3: perhaps they're not getting enough exercise. Perhaps they're as you say,
Speaker 3: they have a depression or they have they're not very
Speaker 3: invigorated with life. This is something that isn't discussed a
Speaker 3: great deal. Do you think that the society's changes are
Speaker 3: so radical that they just can adapt, so they're not
Speaker 3: adapting well as a human being? Is that? Can you
Speaker 3: talk a little bit to that topic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can expand on that, and that's already a
Speaker 2: fair assumption that you just mentioned. Now evolue fuationary speaking, right,
Speaker 2: ten thousand plus years is a blink of an eye. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very very little to actually adapt to the drastic changes.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Ten thousand years is roughly the time when we started
Speaker 2: to have agriculture, and we know that Migraine. There's already
Speaker 2: records of Migraine about two thousand plus years back, so
Speaker 2: we know that it's been around for a long time.
Speaker 2: But it's been around for at least as long as asgriculture.
Speaker 2: Like modern living. Now, in the last five hundred years,
Speaker 2: life has changed even more drastically. Now, what has happened
Speaker 2: and to explain why migrants are maybe so maladapted to
Speaker 2: today's world, we might have to also dive into a
Speaker 2: little bit further back into the ancient world to understand
Speaker 2: what power houses in our cells are. Now, there's so
Speaker 2: called mitochondria in our cells that are basically responsible for
Speaker 2: most of the fuel for the energy that we're making.
Speaker 2: Mitochondria actually ancient bacteria. So if we go back millions
Speaker 2: of millions of years now, not just ten thousand years,
Speaker 2: we will end up in a world where there's just
Speaker 2: an ancient soup and there's a little like single celled organisms,
Speaker 2: and there's these bacteria floating around and oxygen has just
Speaker 2: appeared in the atmosphere. Now, oxygen can be very damaging.
Speaker 2: We know this from like food getting rancid. You know,
Speaker 2: that's oxygen damaging our food. We know this from free
Speaker 2: radicals that's little bombs, reactive oxygen species. They can also
Speaker 2: damage our skin if we're aging. Those are more around now.
Speaker 2: These little bacteria swimming in the soup, they were now
Speaker 2: encountering this oxygen that was damaging them. They needed a shelter.
Speaker 2: And then we had single celled organisms just one cell
Speaker 2: basically floating around and they wanted to grow, they needed
Speaker 2: more energy. So this is the most ancient coalition that
Speaker 2: has formed, and it's still around today. Is that these
Speaker 2: bacteria fused with a single cell organism and they told
Speaker 2: them all, I'm gonna make you energy if you protect
Speaker 2: me from the Oxford stress. So these ancient bacteria are
Speaker 2: still to round around in every single cell and they're
Speaker 2: still making our energy. But they're bacteria in origin. Right,
Speaker 2: So we know a lot about our gut and the
Speaker 2: whole microbiota. But I'm gonna say these micro these bio
Speaker 2: biota or bacteria, an even more important. So without them,
Speaker 2: we don't Without them working well and thriving inside of us,
Speaker 2: we are not making enough energy. And every single thing
Speaker 2: we do, whether we move, whether we think, whether we're sleep,
Speaker 2: whether we're eating, whether we're fighting viruses, needs energy. Every
Speaker 2: single organ, everything single thing that goes on in the
Speaker 2: human body requires energy. Now these break down, nothing works,
Speaker 2: and the first organ that is not gonna work is
Speaker 2: our brain because it's only making up two percent of
Speaker 2: our bottle mass. But twenty five percent of our energy
Speaker 2: goes to this organ right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah read working contract, Yeah, go ahead, a lot of energy.
Speaker 2: Now, why did I have this whole excursion to those
Speaker 2: ancient mitochondria because a lot of what we do today,
Speaker 2: basically almost everything we do today hurts our mitochondria. Whether
Speaker 2: this is perfumes, toxin perfumes, Whether this is too much
Speaker 2: sunlight radiation, whether this is antibiotics, whether this is a
Speaker 2: process food diet, whether this is working nonstock and multitasking
Speaker 2: all day, whether this is late night watching TV and
Speaker 2: blue light ratings through our skin or our eyes. All
Speaker 2: of these things, toxins, diet, lifestyle, all of these things
Speaker 2: damage the powerhouses and all cells. This ancient mitochondria. Now,
Speaker 2: if you have a migraine genetic right, Remember, migrainers have
Speaker 2: a higher energy demand, and they have problems already fighting
Speaker 2: this opposite of stress. And now we put them in
Speaker 2: the world that damages energy metabolism, of course they're not
Speaker 2: going to do well. They're the canary in the coal mines.
Speaker 2: They're the ones where everything is going to explode quicker
Speaker 2: than somebody who even needs less energy. So, long story short,
Speaker 2: you asked, what does what happens to these migrat patients
Speaker 2: if we put them in today's world, will their energy
Speaker 2: system are going to break down? They are not so
Speaker 2: good in fighting these bombs, they're not so good at
Speaker 2: neutralizing these free radical bombs, and so their brain is
Speaker 2: going to run out of energy quicker and their brain
Speaker 2: has more demand. Now, of course there's hormonal migraines. There
Speaker 2: are other reasons why you can have migraines as well.
Speaker 2: Can be nutra agency. So if you don't have enough magnesium,
Speaker 2: your energy system is not going to work out well
Speaker 2: if you don't have vitimin d. Of course, that's also
Speaker 2: all metabolic and even hormones. So people that get hormonal
Speaker 2: migraines they don't realize female hormones are not just for reproduction.
Speaker 2: They're very potent antioxidants. They're the hormones that neutralize this
Speaker 2: oxidtive stress. So if your levels go low towards your period,
Speaker 2: you've lost your shield. Of course you get more migraines. Also,
Speaker 2: female hormones are responsible for insulin sensitivity, so how well
Speaker 2: we can use sugar that also diminishes towards our period. Right,
Speaker 2: So there's different stresses, and then even psychological stress on
Speaker 2: a cellular level looks like physical stress. So psychological stress
Speaker 2: makes free radicals, makes these bombs. So next time you
Speaker 2: fight with your husband or boss or partner, or you
Speaker 2: say yes to everything, you are creating these bombs. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's important, might be impatient, to conserve energy, to
Speaker 2: say no, to think about how you receive messages, and
Speaker 2: maybe get rid of toxic people in your life if
Speaker 2: you can, because.
Speaker 3: That's wow, it's a real formula, get rid of toxic
Speaker 3: people in your life. I meant to throw out there
Speaker 3: at the very beginning that it affects women and a
Speaker 3: higher degree than men. Migraines and talking about hormonal changes
Speaker 3: and women have their minstrel cycles and that's a huge
Speaker 3: flow issue. But you're also giving us an overview of
Speaker 3: some of the causation, which I think is important.
Speaker 2: I want to get into a women's cycle. So men
Speaker 2: are lucky that they have their homemone level stable the
Speaker 2: whole time, so they kind of have this shield around
Speaker 2: the months. Women's cycle so towards the end of the
Speaker 2: months they lose their shield. So I think this one
Speaker 2: reason why they could be more vulnerable and support of that.
Speaker 2: In the second and third trimester of pregnancy, when hormone
Speaker 2: levels are crazy high in women, my WIN frequency goes
Speaker 2: down drastically on average. Wow, and before puberty it's one
Speaker 2: to one boys and girls.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's get into the the idea behind brain ritual. Yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously your research came up with some aha moments, not
Speaker 3: only nutrition, but perhaps physical activity and other things. What's
Speaker 3: the what's the uh the idea behind brain ritual. It's
Speaker 3: kind of pulling. It seems to me. It's like pulling
Speaker 3: all these areas together in a homeo homeo holistic, holistic
Speaker 3: kind of the word I was thinking of. So give
Speaker 3: us the give us the evolution.
Speaker 2: Yes, bring then things were letting me introduce this here.
Speaker 2: So the fox frame looked like this brain ritual will
Speaker 2: be rebranded in a little bit. But basically what this
Speaker 2: brain ritual is, it is turning to the past for future.
Speaker 2: It's basically ancient wisdoms. A lot of the things that
Speaker 2: we have discussed that could be deficient, that we could
Speaker 2: be deficient of today. Put in a single medical food product.
Speaker 2: So you can see all of these ingredients. They're all
Speaker 2: human identical ingredients to support metabolism. In a way, it's
Speaker 2: a one stop metabolism show. What is injurer. The key
Speaker 2: ingredient is a so called ketone body. Now, this is
Speaker 2: the ancient fuel that humans have basically lost and is
Speaker 2: so important for brain health. A keton body is a
Speaker 2: small chain fatty acid, small fat derived molecule that used
Speaker 2: to be produced when we're fasting or when we're deprived
Speaker 2: of carbohydrates. For example, ten thousand years back, humans were
Speaker 2: in keytosis, making these keton bodies a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: And it turns out that small fatty acid is a
Speaker 2: very potent fuel source for our brain. It's more efficient
Speaker 2: and the preferred new fuel source for the brain over glucose.
Speaker 2: Now the way we live today, the way that we
Speaker 2: eat all the time, and that we're very carbohydrate dependent. Basically,
Speaker 2: a baby is still born in ketosis. A human baby
Speaker 2: and keton bodies are essential for brain growth and intelligence
Speaker 2: and the brain development the first two years, but as
Speaker 2: soon as they're weaned and they're put on a Western diet,
Speaker 2: basically keitin body production in the diver almost stops entirely.
Speaker 2: So for one, this is bringing this ancient fuel back
Speaker 2: into the modern world, but without trying to make you
Speaker 2: fast all the time, because that can be a migraine
Speaker 2: trigger as well, dractically changing your diet which may introduce stress,
Speaker 2: and then the stress causes migraines again. And additionally, in
Speaker 2: today's world, sadly, our soils are very much deprived of keynutree. First,
Speaker 2: we don't eat a lot of nutritious foods sometimes, but
Speaker 2: even if we are right, I try to eat healthy.
Speaker 2: What isn't in the soil is not going to end
Speaker 2: up in your food, so it's not going to end
Speaker 2: up in your body. And a bit like a car
Speaker 2: needs more than petrol, So the keton bodies are the petrol,
Speaker 2: but it also needs water and oil and other stuff
Speaker 2: to keep the engine running right, So this similar to this,
Speaker 2: Our bodies need electrolytes, trace minerals, antioxidants that soluble water,
Speaker 2: to soluble vitamins, amino acids, and a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff to make energy, so called cofactors, so that your
Speaker 2: enzymes in the body can do their job. Now this
Speaker 2: has a lot of them, I would say, the key
Speaker 2: ones in them. A lot of them, at least a
Speaker 2: third studied in migraine trials as well in the right
Speaker 2: doses for migraine in it to support metabolism, and if
Speaker 2: you have a deficiency in one of these ingredients, it
Speaker 2: will replace them. So it's a one stot energy metabolism
Speaker 2: show for migraine. And basically it is taking engine wisdom
Speaker 2: it's taking what we had as a human species ten
Speaker 2: thousand years plus for our brain health to be able
Speaker 2: to afford ferrari brains and every seventh person to protect
Speaker 2: us from a tiger even today. So if you fix
Speaker 2: energy metabolism right, then your threshold for a microan attach
Speaker 2: should go up because the brain doesn't warn you of
Speaker 2: an energy it doesn't have to warn you of an
Speaker 2: energy deficiency anymore. I would say this is not the
Speaker 2: solution for everyone. Like, if you have severe hormonal migraine
Speaker 2: and you have just a lack of hormones, you probably
Speaker 2: need to see a bioidentical hormone specialist because this is
Speaker 2: not replacing hormones because not everybody needs hormones, right, So
Speaker 2: this is not in the formula, So please go and
Speaker 2: see a specialist if that's the case. But otherwise it's
Speaker 2: not doing any harm. Right, It's all human identical, highest
Speaker 2: quality ingredients and design for migrain and me. Right, So
Speaker 2: I have less than one day migraine a month, I'm
Speaker 2: down from twenty days. I didn't have a life worth living.
Speaker 3: I have amazed twenty days of Migrainekay.
Speaker 2: It was not a real life worth living, and I
Speaker 2: don't looking back. People ask me like, how did you
Speaker 2: do it? I have no idea, And I know there's
Speaker 2: so many listeners out there or people out there that
Speaker 2: still have panic migraine and just want to say, your warriors,
Speaker 2: you're doing amazing. I know you feel like you let
Speaker 2: everybody down because of your pain, but my goodness, are
Speaker 2: some of the bravest people I know in the world
Speaker 2: for sure, and they give in for their family and
Speaker 2: are really warriors. And the sad thing is it may
Speaker 2: not be necessary, right, So this is the hopeful message.
Speaker 2: I have developed a four pillar program as well, you
Speaker 2: can find on my website which is including lifestyle changes
Speaker 2: in case you cannot afford this sessil so a lot
Speaker 2: you can do to make your lifestyle more like it
Speaker 2: used to be ten thousand years back, without starving or
Speaker 2: freezing in a cave. I promise I water an adaptation
Speaker 2: of that ancient wisdom. But yeah, so that's that's the
Speaker 2: message I want to give. And yeah, ratual it's a
Speaker 2: ritual for your brain. You need to take it every
Speaker 2: day to keep your brain healthy and flourish and hopefully
Speaker 2: for it to not need to turn on a warrant signal.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because when I was reading the
Speaker 3: ingredients in brain ritual, it's almost it's more than just
Speaker 3: for migraines. It may be for brain stability.
Speaker 2: It's so true reading the higher because of migrain but literally,
Speaker 2: and that's what we're thinking as well, like it is
Speaker 2: a brain ritual for brains, period, for healthy brits.
Speaker 3: And I mean, have you tested it for other possibilities?
Speaker 3: Have you tested it for It may increase people's intuition,
Speaker 3: It may increase people's intelligence, you know.
Speaker 2: So glad you mentioned this. I didn't want to oversell it,
Speaker 2: but we have had a lot of case reports. We
Speaker 2: had one person with depression gate of all and essence.
Speaker 2: We had a person with autoimmune disease reach out that
Speaker 2: got much better. We had a person with diabetes even
Speaker 2: get of diabetes medication because diabetes can be metabolic. So
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say, because we didn't have don't
Speaker 2: have trials on this, that this is the remedy especial
Speaker 2: neuropsychiatric issues of brain function in general. One of our
Speaker 2: investors is a cyclist, and yeah, like a competitive cyclist,
Speaker 2: and he said he can go without food on a
Speaker 2: bike ride for like four hours and his performance is
Speaker 2: still better. We have people that had so much energy
Speaker 2: they couldn't fall asleep at night, so they have used
Speaker 2: their dose a little bit. And we are doing depression
Speaker 2: trial right now, we don't have results, and we are
Speaker 2: doing an Alzheimer's trial.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say brain deterioration, dementia, Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3: I mean it seems like something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of evidence
Speaker 2: that when you have Alzheimer's, you kind of have a
Speaker 2: type three diabetes in your brain, which means the brain
Speaker 2: turns insulin resistant, which means it cannot use glucose anymore.
Speaker 2: So without energy, neurons are starving and they're just degenerating. Right,
Speaker 2: So keiton bodies use an alternative transport system to the brain,
Speaker 2: so they're completely insulent independent, which makes it a perfect
Speaker 2: rescue energy for people, or a good rescue energy potentially
Speaker 2: with people with Alzheimer's. So we haven't started the trial,
Speaker 2: but there's quite some good evidence that this could also
Speaker 2: help there. We only have individuals trial trying, so I
Speaker 2: don't want to promise and I'm not giving any medical
Speaker 2: advice here right this is just research and personal your
Speaker 2: doctor before you do and anything, please, or your medical professional.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad you're bringing it up because I think
Speaker 2: the potential is pretty big. Why because humans were designed
Speaker 2: to have keton bodies and nutrients around. That's how we
Speaker 2: were designed as right, that was the news. Time is
Speaker 2: a blink of an eye. It's not enough time for
Speaker 2: everybody to adapt to this new environmental situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we should mention that it's a powder you
Speaker 3: dissolve into a glass of water.
Speaker 2: Right, water, exactly good. You mentioned. So it comes a
Speaker 2: little like stick packs or sashets and water, no sugar
Speaker 2: in it. Some hate the flavor, some love the flavor.
Speaker 2: It's very individual. We're coming out with a new flavor
Speaker 2: in August as well, and I'm going to send you some.
Speaker 2: If you want some extra brain power, you can tell
Speaker 2: me what you think and if you want, we're very
Speaker 2: happy to give some exclusive discount to your listeners that
Speaker 2: do want to try.
Speaker 3: So you talk about that because we have a lot
Speaker 3: of people listening and we can talk about Let me
Speaker 3: put you on the spoty, Lena. I hate to do
Speaker 3: this to you, but can you provide some case studies
Speaker 3: of people that perhaps were in a trial group that
Speaker 3: had you know, uh, problematic migraines that followed your brain
Speaker 3: Ritual program and had good results. Can you talked maybe
Speaker 3: about some people that.
Speaker 2: You were Yeah, and you can if you're interested. We
Speaker 2: have quite a few of these testimonials published on the website,
Speaker 2: so guys, you can check out all videos. You can
Speaker 2: check out some of the written testimonials. So we had
Speaker 2: some really touching ones. One even came with a photo
Speaker 2: of one chronic migraine patient who just got a some
Speaker 2: kind of a belt color and take one door. She
Speaker 2: started a take one door sport and got a belt.
Speaker 3: And taekwon do. Yes, I guess I was listening. Okay, sorry, I.
Speaker 2: Was a acorodiation.
Speaker 3: I figured it out.
Speaker 2: I figured it yeah, yeah, yeah. So we had another
Speaker 2: patient her daughters only know with migraine, and the third
Speaker 2: around thirty and since starting brain Ritual, she had a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks migraine free and her children never knew
Speaker 2: her without migraine. In we had another one that sent
Speaker 2: us a family photo. Then went to an adventure park
Speaker 2: you know with a roller coasters, like a fun park,
Speaker 2: and that's like the worst place to be for a migrant.
Speaker 2: Everything is loud and screaming and you know, lights and everything.
Speaker 2: And she said it's the first time she could join
Speaker 2: her family going into a fun park. And she has
Speaker 2: been migraine free for eight weeks. She hasn't been without
Speaker 2: a migraine for five years, a chronic migraine. She hadn't
Speaker 2: had a single attack in eight weeks. They went to
Speaker 2: the fun park and see she survived that a miraculously
Speaker 2: without a migraine thanks to very ritual.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So these are the super responders, right, We have some
Speaker 2: we have some that half the microine frequency, and in
Speaker 2: all transparency, we have somewhere it doesn't really help, so
Speaker 2: they must look for some other root calls, like, for example,
Speaker 2: that hormone deficient and well maybe they have some toxins
Speaker 2: in addition. So it doesn't help for everyone. But we
Speaker 2: have very touching stories where it's life changing and they
Speaker 2: really send us like, let's changed my life, and it's
Speaker 2: worth it for every single person and makes all the
Speaker 2: hard work pay off. Whenever we get a testimony such.
Speaker 3: As that, we're gonna take a short commercial break to
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Speaker 3: shortly with my guest today doctor Elena Gross, discussing migraines
Speaker 3: and her solution, brain Ritual. Will be right back with
Speaker 3: you shortly. Oh, a full a check up for the day.
Speaker 3: There's not one who as once one hundred degrees burns feed.
Speaker 2: Won't you drink with me?
Speaker 4: We have in the town she wants about the show.
Speaker 2: Makes of it.
Speaker 3: My guest today is doctor Elena Gross. She has developed
Speaker 3: a holistic remedy for migraines and also brain deficit in
Speaker 3: a product called brain Ritual. For more information, you can
Speaker 3: go to brain ritual dot com and get all the details.
Speaker 3: It sounds like you have more positive responses than negative.
Speaker 2: One of the things the negative positive. I have to
Speaker 2: say one thing, if you just this is full of
Speaker 2: new chients minerals. So if some people have very sensitive
Speaker 2: GI systems like sensitive stom like, so if you started
Speaker 2: too quickly, you can get diarrhea and gastro intestinal upsets.
Speaker 2: That's basically the only side effect unless you're allergic. So
Speaker 2: we're now recommending people to slowly ramp up. Because our
Speaker 2: modern GI trucks are not used to NU chains anymore, right,
Speaker 2: so they are like easy, What the hell? I haven't
Speaker 2: seen that in a long time.
Speaker 3: So will you make a good point, because I was
Speaker 3: looking at the five seas of of uh migraines are cheese, chocolate, coffee, cola,
Speaker 3: and strangely citrus fruit is what it showed up on Wikipedia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are interesting cases. So for those that are
Speaker 2: histamine all of these have like a histamine connection. So
Speaker 2: if you're histamine sensitive, those matter. For me, I can
Speaker 2: eat all of these again. Right, if you fix the
Speaker 2: energy situation, then sometimes all of these like triggers that
Speaker 2: are histamin tree may not even matter anymore. So for
Speaker 2: all my life, I tried to like avoid red wine
Speaker 2: and citrus, and I avoid chocolate and in the end
Speaker 2: and it didn't really matter. So if you are fixing
Speaker 2: your metabolism and you're improving that, you can try to
Speaker 2: introduce these foods and enjoy them and see what what happens.
Speaker 2: I mean, some still have to avoid these histamine liberators,
Speaker 2: but some don't. I'm a person who can can eat
Speaker 2: these things again. I can even drink red wine again.
Speaker 3: Within Oh my god, that's fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 2: I eat dark chocolate. I eat a lot of dark chocolate,
Speaker 2: and it's supposedly so bad and I mean Swiss cheese.
Speaker 3: Come on, I also sist Europe if you don't eat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it would be very sad without it. So
Speaker 2: there's a vpe even there, even in these very common triggers.
Speaker 2: So modern medicine, for the lack of a better alternative,
Speaker 2: I guess they numb the pain and they try as
Speaker 2: to avoid the triggers, which makes sense, right, And so
Speaker 2: the trigger factors a kind of what makes the the
Speaker 2: bucket overflow. But what I'm trying to do is empty
Speaker 2: the bucket so that a few drops of whatever cheese
Speaker 2: and wine and what is not having the bucket will pull.
Speaker 2: But if the bucket is full every day all the time, right,
Speaker 2: a few drops of cheese or whatever will make it overflowing.
Speaker 2: You if consonant migraine. So really it's about emptying the
Speaker 2: buckets rather than trying to avoid the triggers that make
Speaker 2: the bucket overflow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, the other thing I keep thinking about when
Speaker 3: you're talking to me is like here in the United
Speaker 3: States we have something called biohacking, where people are ways.
Speaker 2: I love you say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk a little bit about that
Speaker 3: in a minute, because you sound like you have a
Speaker 3: product that's a biohack for the brain function. And one
Speaker 3: of the things is it's lifestyle change but also taking
Speaker 3: certain nutrients and uh, there's a couple of guys that
Speaker 3: take like handfuls of vitamins, which is kind of too
Speaker 3: much for a lot of people, including myself. But have
Speaker 3: you thought about this uh brain ritual as a potential
Speaker 3: bio hack for people who not necessarily necessarily haven't?
Speaker 2: I used to think of that, And it's funny to
Speaker 2: say that because I've been thinking about this for for
Speaker 2: this episode, and I was thinking as myself a bit
Speaker 2: like a biohacker, you know, trying to hack your.
Speaker 3: Own You're totally a biohacker.
Speaker 2: But to be to be fully true, I think it's
Speaker 2: a return to instead of a biohack, it's a return
Speaker 2: to evolutionary biology.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a return to eaching wisdom. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they knew, but it's a definitely return to
Speaker 2: evolutionary biology.
Speaker 3: It's also could be.
Speaker 2: What was in our lives before. Maybe you can call
Speaker 2: that biohacking because we're figuring out something that needs to
Speaker 2: happen in our own bodies. But I like to think
Speaker 2: of it as a return to our evolutionary biology.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you can address this at all.
Speaker 3: Have you had any clients slash patients slash subjects have
Speaker 3: improved or seem to have greater brain function on a
Speaker 3: maybe a you know, they can think quicker, they can
Speaker 3: process data better, you know all that. I mean, I
Speaker 3: didn't even ask you that because we're talking about preventative
Speaker 3: from migraines. But as a bio hack, this ingredient package
Speaker 3: that you have could be an enhancement.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's also one thing we see is that
Speaker 2: you get more mental clarity, you get less distraction, less noise,
Speaker 2: You might not need your afternoon snack as much. You
Speaker 2: can have this instead of caffeine. Right, you might be
Speaker 2: less reliant on coffee for your brain's energy or your
Speaker 2: brain's clarity. So it's something that students could take right
Speaker 2: to prepare for tests. We see it's used or could
Speaker 2: potentially use. Some athletes have tried it also to get
Speaker 2: more even if you run. I mean, for one, the
Speaker 2: heart loves ketones as well ketone bodies. But also you
Speaker 2: need to be very focused in sports, right, so it
Speaker 2: obs your brain perform during sports as well, so that's
Speaker 2: some of the things that we also see kind of
Speaker 2: like as a side effect, but that could eventually be
Speaker 2: the main focus.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So I think that's great.
Speaker 2: Brain properly is not only good for migraine. And that's
Speaker 2: one of the things that I realized when you start
Speaker 2: looking at problems from an evolutionary lens rather than a
Speaker 2: symptom lens, Like you have this in this symptom cluster,
Speaker 2: and then you have X disease, and you have this
Speaker 2: symptom cluster, and then you have X disease. You don't
Speaker 2: have this all of these symptoms yet, so you don't
Speaker 2: have a disease, but maybe you are on the way
Speaker 2: to that disease. All of these are like continuum, and
Speaker 2: the symptoms are depending on your genetics, they can be
Speaker 2: quite different, but the root car problem can be very similar.
Speaker 2: So somebody who has a lack of focus and fatigue
Speaker 2: could be on the way to eventually maybe having Alzheimer's
Speaker 2: or not, but the root cause to that could be
Speaker 2: very similar to somebody who has a different genetic and
Speaker 2: they have severe migraine. It can be a different part
Speaker 2: of the continuum. So for some it's really bad. For
Speaker 2: some it's low symptoms, but the root issue can be related,
Speaker 2: and that's why the brain of a migrants person is
Speaker 2: somewhat different. But when it comes to metabolism, all brains
Speaker 2: are a little bit alike, right, They need certain nutrients.
Speaker 2: They probably benefit from keto bodies. The only thing I
Speaker 2: want to say is does everybody profit from this? If
Speaker 2: you have all the ingredients, all the nutrients, electrolytes, trace minerals,
Speaker 2: and you have adapted perfectly to glucose metabolism, we all
Speaker 2: know these people. They're very slim, they don't sleep, they
Speaker 2: can eat what they want, and they seem to be
Speaker 2: fit and healthy. They barely sleep, right, they don't gain weight.
Speaker 2: These people have probably adapted to the modern world better
Speaker 2: than others. So there's at some point there's a ceiling effect. Right,
Speaker 2: If your brain is perfectly fueled, adding this doesn't add
Speaker 2: any benefit, right, maybe some prevention, we don't know. But
Speaker 2: for a large proportion of us, our brain is somewhat
Speaker 2: underfueled and somewhat lacking some nutrients. It's not yet a
Speaker 2: full blown disease. Yeah, it's not optimal either, right, So
Speaker 2: even in these cases, it seems very likely that it
Speaker 2: could help and from the few. I mean, for example,
Speaker 2: from our investors they're not sick that try this. Like
Speaker 2: one our lead investor from the last rook, he's just
Speaker 2: distributed this in his like friendship investor circle, and people like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I had long COVID and now I
Speaker 2: can think again in the afternoon. Right, I don't know
Speaker 2: if this afternoon slump or somebody with depression or people
Speaker 2: could actually feel a difference taking it. And there's very
Speaker 2: few things in a world where you can actually feel
Speaker 2: a difference. Yeah, so that really helps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a daily supplement, right, you take it
Speaker 3: every day? What do you suggest with breakfast or midday?
Speaker 2: What time of the day are you seeing ideally, Well,
Speaker 2: if you're sick at least, so if you were quite deprived,
Speaker 2: then I didn't you take it twice a day, So
Speaker 2: that was early afternoon. So that because your brain also
Speaker 2: needs energy all the time, right, so then it's better
Speaker 2: to have it twice a day if you're just looking
Speaker 2: for an extra boost. You can also sip it throughout
Speaker 2: the day. It's very stable in water, so you could
Speaker 2: fill it in your bottle and just drink it next
Speaker 2: to you next to water. Yeah, you can take it
Speaker 2: fast in the morning. If your gut is robust, if
Speaker 2: you have issues gast intestinal, it's better to take it
Speaker 2: after food. We don't really tell patients they need to
Speaker 2: take it with food or not. It's best to experiment.
Speaker 2: When you tolerate it, best you can sip it throughout
Speaker 2: the day. If you hate it, you can take a
Speaker 2: shot and just get over with it. But what is recommended,
Speaker 2: especially if you are suffering more from it, is you
Speaker 2: can also take half a Sasha in the morning if
Speaker 2: you just want to do one and half a Sasha
Speaker 2: in the evening, or if you have really a chronic
Speaker 2: biofrequency migraine you might need to sasha is actually you
Speaker 2: take one in the morning one in the afternoon.
Speaker 3: Fantastic.
Speaker 2: Okay, do in a bottle of water and drink it
Speaker 2: through out date.
Speaker 3: Let's tell people how they can get it, So give
Speaker 3: us the information on how people can order the product.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the website is brain ritual dot com. You
Speaker 2: can just order it there. But ideally, I mean you're
Speaker 2: launching tomorrow, right, so we would give you a link
Speaker 2: specifically that you can put in the show notes where
Speaker 2: people can get a thirty dollars trial discount, and so
Speaker 2: that's quite substantial on the first box. So they can
Speaker 2: just click the link and they get a discomecode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so those of you listening, I'll have the link
Speaker 3: on show notes as well as the doctor Gross's website,
Speaker 3: her general website, so you can kind of read about
Speaker 3: her own journey of discovery, torture and then discovery and
Speaker 3: all the other details. So that's fantastic. This is I
Speaker 3: think for a lot of different people. By the way,
Speaker 3: let's give them the price. What's a it's a thirty
Speaker 3: day supply, right, one box is thirty days and I
Speaker 3: think was it one hundred US for thirty days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety nine. So sadly it's very expensive to make
Speaker 2: and pwices increasing all the time drastically, so that's why
Speaker 2: it is coming in at a price. But it also
Speaker 2: means you look think the most bioavailable, best quality ingredients.
Speaker 2: Plus it's basically replacing your multi vitamin or whatever else
Speaker 2: you might be taking, apart from omega'srez because they taste discussing,
Speaker 2: so they're not in there. But it's got a lot
Speaker 2: of the other things in there that you need for
Speaker 2: daily functioning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if people are living in the United States
Speaker 3: that's shipped. Is the factory in Switzerland or where is
Speaker 3: it locate?
Speaker 2: No, we moved all the manufacturing to the US. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, in FDA registered facilities.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's going to be not too bad. This
Speaker 3: the one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Includes the shipping or no includes shipping.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's pretty good then.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I have a lot of listeners in Australia and
Speaker 3: in Canada.
Speaker 2: To the Canada, but in Canada doesn't include shipping, so
Speaker 2: Canadians have to pay shipping because that's more pricing. Okay,
Speaker 2: but we can still deliver. We can ship to Canada.
Speaker 3: Okay. So I'm going to have all the details in
Speaker 3: our show notes. And uh, I want to try it
Speaker 3: because for the bio hacking I'm trying to write.
Speaker 2: About, you get a box and tell us what you
Speaker 2: feel at the occident is the best thing you can
Speaker 2: do for aging two and possibly prevention. So it doesn't
Speaker 2: see downside unless you don't like the taste, but then
Speaker 2: we're coming out with new flavors.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what's the taste. It's a lime taste, isn't
Speaker 3: It's orange?
Speaker 2: It's orange and it's a little bit orange pine apple
Speaker 2: ish sounds great, so it's a bit tropical, and it's
Speaker 2: stevia sweeteness, so there's no sugar inside. It's all natural flavors. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and orangements, so no coloring agents either.
Speaker 3: Brain ritual. Doctor Elena Gross, fantastic having you on the program.
Speaker 3: Any last words before we let you go in this discovery,
Speaker 3: the self discovery. What a wonderful gift you're giving people
Speaker 3: in this.
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe maybe two last things. Fuel your
Speaker 2: brain to manage migraine, that's the first, and the second
Speaker 2: is always listen to your body. I know you will
Speaker 2: hear a lot of conflicting information from many different experts,
Speaker 2: but your body knows best. So we have to try
Speaker 2: and learn how to listen to our body again and
Speaker 2: it will tell us what's what feels good for us.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you keep mentioning in our interview
Speaker 3: today and I'm wondering if there's a weight loss aspect
Speaker 3: in this product.
Speaker 2: You know you'll lose, but actually you know, weight loss
Speaker 2: is happening in your brain or weight gain is happening
Speaker 2: in your brain. And this is maybe an important concept
Speaker 2: that we can give people that do not have migrain
Speaker 2: before we're off. But weight gain happens if your brain
Speaker 2: tells you you're hungry. Right, weight gain is not a
Speaker 2: willpower problem. It's facing your brain saying, look, you need
Speaker 2: to eat more with starving. If you're trying to get
Speaker 2: your vitamins and your nutrients from cookies, you have to
Speaker 2: need a lot of cookies until you've met your demands. Right,
Speaker 2: so we have a very poor quality diet. Your brain
Speaker 2: would be like, we're lacking stuff. Keep eating, and then
Speaker 2: you're eating, you're overeating, and then your insulin resistant, which
Speaker 2: means that glucose doesn't get into the cells anymore, especially
Speaker 2: not in the brain, which means your brain is literally starving.
Speaker 2: Even though you have a lot of access calories. Your
Speaker 2: brain is starving. Now you put ketone bodies and a
Speaker 2: full nutrient support into the picture, suddenly your brain will say, oh,
Speaker 2: we wait a minute, we have fuel. We do not
Speaker 2: need to eat. Come down out and fere less hungry. Now,
Speaker 2: if you still eat because you have a habit of overeating,
Speaker 2: you will not lose weight. But listen to the signal
Speaker 2: of you you're finally satiated. You don't need more calories
Speaker 2: because you don't need more nutrients than lose weight on
Speaker 2: the problem. So we've had people lose weight. A couple
Speaker 2: of people that reported this, my goodness, tend to be
Speaker 2: sometimes very slim because the energy deficients, so then they
Speaker 2: don't lose more weight. But if you are overweight, it
Speaker 2: can probably help. So if any of you guys as
Speaker 2: trying it for weight loss, do reach out. Please. We
Speaker 2: love no matter what you try it for, right, We
Speaker 2: love to hear from you, so we have in for
Speaker 2: that brain ritual. You can always send us any we're
Speaker 2: looking forward to hear from you, or all the social
Speaker 2: media channels. We're everywhere. Brain ritual. Yeah. I love to
Speaker 2: hear from your journeys and experience. Always happy to learn more.
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Hey, this has been really enlightening and I think
Speaker 3: you got something there and I'm glad that the product
Speaker 3: is built for migrain sufferers, but I'm looking at it
Speaker 3: for reviving fatigued brains like mine.
Speaker 2: It's made for you because you're looking at the ancient wisdom,
Speaker 2: you're looking at ancient civilizations, yes being podcasts. So this
Speaker 2: is definitely the ancient fuel and the ancient nutrients that
Speaker 2: you go with your podcast.
Speaker 3: Fantastic Elena, wonderful having you on the program and continues success.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Clive, It's gonna blast,
Speaker 2: really fun, great, great to be here.
Speaker 3: I have good feelings about this brain Ritual product. If
Speaker 3: you look at the ingredients, and by the way, it's
Speaker 3: brain ritual dot com. You can see the entire program,
Speaker 3: the case studies, the videos. Everything very well done. If
Speaker 3: you study the nutritional guidelines and what they've put into
Speaker 3: this powder, it's pretty impressive, it really is. And the
Speaker 3: fact that it helps people with all types of migraines
Speaker 3: is really quite significant. I mean, you don't just have
Speaker 3: hormonal or stress or nutritional problems that lead to migraines.
Speaker 3: This helps all types of migraines. So I'm going to
Speaker 3: try it. I don't have migraines, but I do have
Speaker 3: brain fog and I want to try it, So check
Speaker 3: it out brain ritual dot com. What was fun having
Speaker 3: her on the program. Hey, we've got a tour coming
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Speaker 3: that's it for this program. I want to thank my
Speaker 3: guest today, doctor Elena Gross, and her wonderful product Brain Ritual.
Speaker 3: As always the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and
Speaker 3: Fasl Parves. You guys rock all right, take care of
Speaker 3: you well and we will talk to you next time.