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Speaker 4: Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's
Speaker 4: time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm your host, as always, George Jobs. As we record,
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Speaker 4: So with that being said, let's bring on Tonight's special
Speaker 4: guest joining us from Indiana is Eli.
Speaker 5: Eli.
Speaker 4: Sir, thank you so much for joining us tonight. I
Speaker 4: really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Hey, George, I'm super excited, super glad to be here.
Speaker 1: It's an honor.
Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Why don't you go ahead and just take a moment
Speaker 4: or two and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, So name's Eli Schultz. I'm thirty years old,
Speaker 1: currently in Warsaw, Indiana. I grew up in rural Huntington, Indiana,
Speaker 1: and I went through periods of being homeschooled, private Christian school,
Speaker 1: and then finished out in public school. A little bit
Speaker 1: of everything there, and then I got a bachelor's in
Speaker 1: biomedical engineering and I worked in orthopedics for six to
Speaker 1: seven years helping design implants and surgical instruments and and
Speaker 1: so really into all that, you know, modern mainstream science
Speaker 1: stuff for sure. And then as of lately, I've been
Speaker 1: married for a couple of years and i have a
Speaker 1: five month old daughter now, which is awesome. Amen, And
Speaker 1: I'm loving being a dad. It's great. And yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's my background for you.
Speaker 5: What college did you go to?
Speaker 1: It's a small private school called Indiana Tech and four.
Speaker 5: Good stuff, good stuff.
Speaker 4: It's interesting, you know, you did went the biomedical route
Speaker 4: with scientism and stuff. And I'd mentioned before my daughter
Speaker 4: when she graduated, she had her site sets on pharmaceutical
Speaker 4: tech and she paid out a pocket got her certificate,
Speaker 4: and it just coincidentally happened.
Speaker 5: I can remember if it was. I think it was.
Speaker 4: Either twenty twenty or twenty one, and her very first
Speaker 4: day on the job, she understood that quick what she
Speaker 4: had signed up for.
Speaker 5: We had kind of mentioned it to her.
Speaker 4: But you'll always you never want to tell an adult
Speaker 4: child what to do, especially at that age, because that
Speaker 4: you're telling they'll do it. The more pressure you put
Speaker 4: up against an eighteen year old. At least, that was
Speaker 4: the way my mind worked, because I knew everything when
Speaker 4: I was eighteen. But it was amazing, very quickly how
Speaker 4: God worked with her and she understood. My goodness, gracious.
Speaker 4: Actually you know what it was during COVID because I
Speaker 4: think it was a CVS she worked for her first
Speaker 4: day on the job, she was given this roadmap and
Speaker 4: when I mean roadmap, so it was do you want
Speaker 4: the COVID vaccine?
Speaker 5: If client says no, ask this.
Speaker 4: If they say yes, give vaccine and then like that
Speaker 4: tree continues, you know what I mean. It was like
Speaker 4: a sales pitch, like you're going to work to sell
Speaker 4: cars and they're saying, this is how you answer asked
Speaker 4: the questions. It was very eye opening for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's so sad that you go into
Speaker 1: school thinking you're going to be doing one thing, and
Speaker 1: you get your degree, you enter the workforce, and you're
Speaker 1: kind of like once you have that degree, especially if
Speaker 1: you have student loans, Yeah, like you were almost enslaved
Speaker 1: to this path in your life, like you're dedicated to
Speaker 1: it and you really don't have much to say because like,
Speaker 1: you got this degree, that is what you're trained to do.
Speaker 1: These are the only employers are going to hire you,
Speaker 1: and you're at their mercy and imagine being imagine what
Speaker 1: it takes to step away from that once you have
Speaker 1: a huge amount of student loans, which is reality for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. It's almost impossible, it is. And
Speaker 1: Lucky for me, I was blessed enough and I had
Speaker 1: all the scholarships that I needed, and I exited with
Speaker 1: very little debt. And so when it went for me
Speaker 1: leaving my career after six or seven years, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have that burden. You know, I was able
Speaker 1: to once I saw the truth about what was happening
Speaker 1: milk industry and I was able to say, you know,
Speaker 1: this isn't for me. Yeah, and I was able to
Speaker 1: walk away. But and also because you know, I'm married
Speaker 1: and we're able to like, yeah, I just my heart
Speaker 1: goes out to so many people who are working jobs
Speaker 1: in part of systems that they can't escape, just because
Speaker 1: they literally can't. It's really sad.
Speaker 4: And that's really interesting because this is twice today that
Speaker 4: the same kind of conversation has come up that the
Speaker 4: Gentleman I interviewed earlier. This afternoon, Josh, we had that
Speaker 4: same exact conversation. I get so many emails eli from
Speaker 4: people not just here in the States, but are around
Speaker 4: the world who want to get out there and try
Speaker 4: to spread the truth. But A they're working fifty sixty
Speaker 4: seventy hours a week, especially in this time of hyperinflation.
Speaker 4: B they're afraid of repercussions, so they don't really want
Speaker 4: to go public with things.
Speaker 5: Pardon me, and see.
Speaker 4: The other thing we talked about was there are a
Speaker 4: lot of people who because of the matrix and the
Speaker 4: way it is built the matrix is, they're very hesitant
Speaker 4: to go out on a limb. They could have a
Speaker 4: great idea, a great business mind, and they have a
Speaker 4: plan in place, but they're afraid to take that step
Speaker 4: because health insurance through the company, or you know, the security,
Speaker 4: those type of things. It is really quite the web
Speaker 4: they have created for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, like I had all the benefits, you know,
Speaker 1: I had I called my desk job. I called it
Speaker 1: the Golden handcuffs. You know, it was the dream for
Speaker 1: any kid coming out of high school to end up
Speaker 1: where it was. I had the best job in the company, like,
Speaker 1: you know, helping design the newest stuff that they were doing.
Speaker 1: And I mean it was really it was cool in
Speaker 1: that sense. But the it's not all pretty it's all
Speaker 1: you know, you're you. You realize that what they tell you,
Speaker 1: especially in the medical industry, is like, oh, we're helping
Speaker 1: people where you're with the work that you're doing every
Speaker 1: day is making this huge difference. And then I'm upstairs,
Speaker 1: right and then you know, you go through the factory,
Speaker 1: you see the people who are actually doing the real work,
Speaker 1: and you go out into the real world and you
Speaker 1: see what people are paying for stuff, and you kind
Speaker 1: of realize that you're not necessarily helping people as much
Speaker 1: as those corporate emails want you to believe. You're kind
Speaker 1: of just this piece in this machine. And then also
Speaker 1: you kind of have to be honest with yourself sometimes
Speaker 1: these big companies like you're not even needed period, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're big just to be big. It's it's
Speaker 1: just crazy, like they're inefficient to be inefficient because I
Speaker 1: don't even like it's beyond me. I don't even care
Speaker 1: too much about any of this anymore. I just I'm
Speaker 1: all about talking about Jesus now and the truth and everything,
Speaker 1: and it's just I'm so happy I was able to
Speaker 1: put all that behind me and help people truly. And
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the one thing I'll say about that. My
Speaker 1: wife is a dental hygienis, and I would tell her
Speaker 1: every day, but she would come home every day of stories,
Speaker 1: building these personal connections with people, every day, helping these people.
Speaker 1: And I always told her, I was like, how you
Speaker 1: are making such an impact in these people's lives, like
Speaker 1: they remember you, you remember them, like you're doing amazing
Speaker 1: things like actually helping treat people. And I always felt
Speaker 1: so disconnected from that, no matter how hard my corporate
Speaker 1: company wanted me to think that it's the same, you
Speaker 1: know what, I mean, absolutely, this is not. It's just not.
Speaker 1: You know, she works for a small dental office, you know,
Speaker 1: with like thirty people. You know I work at a
Speaker 1: global company tens of thousands of people. I mean, it's yeah, Anyway.
Speaker 4: In many cases, the bigger the company, actually the less
Speaker 4: it is helping people.
Speaker 5: It is maybe.
Speaker 4: Providing a service to people, but to say it's helping
Speaker 4: people is probably not the correct term. And I will
Speaker 4: go back to point in case where the article in
Speaker 4: September two thousand and one Washington I'm sorry. September twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: Washington Post, over one hundred thousand small businesses permanently closed
Speaker 4: from COVID. So again, that is the biggest wealth transfer
Speaker 4: in the history probably, I mean, you can argue eighteen fifteen,
Speaker 4: but I'm willing to bet in this day and age,
Speaker 4: with the price of everything, that was the largest wealth
Speaker 4: transfer in history. And when you give fewer people a
Speaker 4: slice of the pie, you are endangering your future because
Speaker 4: less people of our mindset, of our grouping, the people
Speaker 4: who actually have morals and care about this world, have
Speaker 4: a say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, especially in the medical industry. I mean,
Speaker 1: if there is a company that pops up trying to
Speaker 1: do the right thing, they just get swallowed up ye
Speaker 1: and time and time again because they wave a big
Speaker 1: check in front of their face, and no matter where
Speaker 1: you think you are, when that money comes, it's I
Speaker 1: can just see, you know, I see it all the time.
Speaker 1: They sell out and yeah, it's really hard fighting against
Speaker 1: the system. They're just so yeah. But no, I really
Speaker 1: don't believe in being a victim though in all of this.
Speaker 1: I think there's a way to fight back. For sure.
Speaker 4: We're doing that right now. If I showed you this
Speaker 4: picture five years ago, would.
Speaker 5: You believe it?
Speaker 1: Let's it say it's blurry.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry about that. It's so.
Speaker 4: I went to Low's today and at the Dunkin Donuts
Speaker 4: they had signs out front that said, come grow with
Speaker 4: a come grow with us starting at eighteen dollars an hour.
Speaker 4: Now hiring eighteen dollars an hour.
Speaker 1: When I when I was in college working at Chipotle,
Speaker 1: I was making like nine oh five, and I thought,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is a pretty good.
Speaker 4: The minimum wage in the mid to like eighty seven
Speaker 4: was three dollars and thirty five cents an hour. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and now they're they're they can't And that's what I
Speaker 4: don't understand. And I want to get to the other subjects.
Speaker 4: But how this world is even functioning with things like that?
Speaker 4: Eighteen dollars an hour but nobody's working. It seems like
Speaker 4: nobody's working. How was this world working?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no idea. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: do it. I thank God every day that I'm our
Speaker 1: family is able to do it, because I don't know
Speaker 1: how he's helping everybody else do it. I really don't.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 4: Let's get to your journey to the truth, and it
Speaker 4: doesn't have to necessarily be you know, flat Earth. But
Speaker 4: I guess at what point in your life, did you
Speaker 4: start to have discernment and start to think to yourself
Speaker 4: that these stories, whether it's nine to eleven and the
Speaker 4: moon landing, just didn't.
Speaker 5: Quite add up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll try to be quick with it. That grew
Speaker 1: up with Rush Limbaugh. I mean, that sets you on
Speaker 1: a good course, I would say, but not, you don't.
Speaker 1: It's not the whole truth by any means. But when
Speaker 1: I would say, like, the first time I didn't trust
Speaker 1: government was when Obamacare shut up, and it was like,
Speaker 1: if you like your plan, you can keep it. And
Speaker 1: then I saw what happened to my parents and everything
Speaker 1: they're going through at that time, and I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: this government is and here I was just a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, But even then, I so that was when
Speaker 1: I first started question And I don't know if I
Speaker 1: ever even believed in the moon landing, even as an adult.
Speaker 1: I always I don't think I really got into it.
Speaker 1: Nine to eleven was always I never really thought too
Speaker 1: much about it, but it always was real, sketchy, how
Speaker 1: those buildings just came straight down. I'm always been open
Speaker 1: to these like conspiracies. I've always known about them, but
Speaker 1: I never really got into them because I was so
Speaker 1: busy with my career in school and everything. What happened
Speaker 1: recently in where I just woke up like it was
Speaker 1: an explosion in front of me. I'm taking in content
Speaker 1: from which I mentioned earlier as a JT fall as
Speaker 1: JC on Facebook just randomly started feeding these reels. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. And it's all about like symbolism, like
Speaker 1: spiritual symbolism. Everything that is intertwined in every part of
Speaker 1: reality is spiritual in some way, and that's something I
Speaker 1: always believed in and talked about. But I really didn't
Speaker 1: realize how deep that went. And his, uh, the way
Speaker 1: he did his content really just sucked me into it.
Speaker 1: And I remember they, yeah, he is excellent. They mentioned
Speaker 1: something about biblical cosmology and the flat Earth and they
Speaker 1: just went right by it like it was nothing was marbles,
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, what was that? You know,
Speaker 1: And obviously I've heard of flat earth and I never
Speaker 1: take it SERI as well, just crazy right and and
Speaker 1: here I am right, But uh, that what he ended
Speaker 1: up getting to. Like when he first started making content,
Speaker 1: he talk about the little season or the short season.
Speaker 1: Right then he kind of got there. And my relationship
Speaker 1: with Jesus has been huge, like very important to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and when essentially, I mean, you've had other
Speaker 1: people talk about the Short Season, the little season, right,
Speaker 1: they know way more about that I do. But when
Speaker 1: he was talking about this idea that the Second Company
Speaker 1: of Christ has already happened, something that I grew up
Speaker 1: and almost everybody around here grew up being taught that
Speaker 1: were awaiting the Second Coming. When someone tells you that
Speaker 1: you're something you've believed in, I mean like for me,
Speaker 1: that was huge, like I believe that to my core.
Speaker 1: And then for him to turn that around, say hey,
Speaker 1: what about this other idea? And I was like, and
Speaker 1: when the evidence he had was just biblical stuff, He's like,
Speaker 1: just read this, Just read it and tell me what
Speaker 1: you think. Specifically, things in Matthew and they're talking about
Speaker 1: these things will happen in your generation. And I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to quote a bunch of biblical text
Speaker 1: on it, but the Bible's one thing's for sure is
Speaker 1: that the Bible was talking about the Second Coming or
Speaker 1: the Little Season all this stuff, like like it is
Speaker 1: not absolutely concrete for sure that we are we are
Speaker 1: waiting second coming to Christ. It might have already happened,
Speaker 1: like we should, like Christians today need to know that
Speaker 1: there are other ideas, and like I didn't even know
Speaker 1: there was other ideas, Like I didn't even know if
Speaker 1: there's any other ideas, Like what is this? And it
Speaker 1: was like really really frustrating like that. I don't want
Speaker 1: to blame my parents or anything, or even I blame myself. Man,
Speaker 1: I didn't even read I didn't read the Bible, like
Speaker 1: I blame myself, Like I'm gonna take responsibility, but I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, like we need to be talking about
Speaker 1: these other ideas because we I view it as lying
Speaker 1: by a mission or only teaching one thing about something
Speaker 1: as massive as you know, what we believe in the
Speaker 1: Bible and story of Jesus. Like it's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: you frustrated.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, well you're right. I mean deception is Satan's
Speaker 4: most powerful tool and he uses it. And that's why
Speaker 4: even someone you know, five years ago, six years ago,
Speaker 4: someone who considered himself a person of discernment, I still
Speaker 4: laughed at the thought of flat Earth. And there's still
Speaker 4: many and again, everybody has their own journey. I don't
Speaker 4: want to knock people down because they don't believe it.
Speaker 4: But everybody I talk to, now there are some people
Speaker 4: who still I get the occasional email, well what about
Speaker 4: the final experiment? What about Sharon? And this person and
Speaker 4: that person? And I've sent several emails I copy and paste.
Speaker 4: I have it all prepared, and I don't like to
Speaker 4: get into public, you know, knocking people down. But if
Speaker 4: you just do your research with just a few of
Speaker 4: the people involved with at and the fact that they're
Speaker 4: putting out a movie to make money off of it,
Speaker 4: it's just and even so let's just take it at
Speaker 4: its face value that they went down there and they
Speaker 4: saw the sun for twenty four hours, that still doesn't
Speaker 4: explain gravity, the spinning, the water containment water. I mean,
Speaker 4: just all of the things we've been talking about for
Speaker 4: the last two and a half years. And you know,
Speaker 4: all of these things are meant to number one, I believe,
Speaker 4: to split the truth community and number two, just just
Speaker 4: plant that little seed of doubt to get you back
Speaker 4: off the train.
Speaker 5: That's my belief.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. For so, what happened with me is
Speaker 1: I I I was like, I needed I need to
Speaker 1: I need to find the truth. So I set out
Speaker 1: on this mission of finding the truth. And at that
Speaker 1: point I was willing to say I can't trust anybody.
Speaker 1: I can't trust the church, which like when you can't
Speaker 1: touch trust the church's I mean, that's a weird thing
Speaker 1: to say, you know. And and I slowly started taking
Speaker 1: in a lot more content about like seeking the truth,
Speaker 1: and I came across all the main guys, and obviously
Speaker 1: I found your podcast. Honestly, when I found your podcast,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the first one that pops
Speaker 1: up on apples, Like there's no way this is a
Speaker 1: good one. And because it's the first one that pops
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but it turns out it's the Bessel.
Speaker 1: I just I just love your podcast, George of it
Speaker 1: and learning so much, man, I definitely almost every episode
Speaker 1: I have to get on my phone and like find
Speaker 1: what you guys have been talking about. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: constantly learning new things about the different theories. But what's
Speaker 1: blown my mind on my journey is how much proof
Speaker 1: evidence whatever you want to call it, there actually is,
Speaker 1: like and how much information and how many amazing videos
Speaker 1: there are on YouTube, even Rumble, all these like if
Speaker 1: you do you want the truth, like if you want
Speaker 1: to see it's right there in front of you and
Speaker 1: you just have to go and check it out. And
Speaker 1: I desperately try to get my family, my brothers, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: just check this out like it's cool, Like just look
Speaker 1: into it and you don't even have to believe it.
Speaker 1: But man, these videos are really cool. Is check them out.
Speaker 1: My dad won't even will he'll change the subject to me.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even want to talk about it at all.
Speaker 1: But that guy loves space, like he just loved it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but serious.
Speaker 4: When when I had Facebook, I could put a little
Speaker 4: video of my chicken just walking around and it would get,
Speaker 4: you know, twenty five likes. And the one time I
Speaker 4: actually had the courage, you know, because Facebook just friends
Speaker 4: and family people, you know, to put something on there
Speaker 4: about it, it was like dumbleweeds, not one like nobody
Speaker 4: mentioned anything. And it's like okay because for me when
Speaker 4: I first actually came across it and took the time
Speaker 4: to look at it and realized that man, I was
Speaker 4: wrong all these years like everything else, I'm excited and
Speaker 4: you want to tell people about it, and the reaction
Speaker 4: you get is not what you think you're going to get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like so for me, like, at first,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if the flat Earth was more of
Speaker 1: a metaphor because to me it represents so much, right
Speaker 1: and when so to me, it represents more than it is,
Speaker 1: like actually flat. Like I do believe it's actually flat,
Speaker 1: but the idea of it is much bigger than it
Speaker 1: being actually flat. Right. Do you agree with that, George?
Speaker 5: I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And many people eventually want to start calling this true
Speaker 4: Earth more than flat Earth, because while it is flat,
Speaker 4: we have the hills and valleys and peaks and such.
Speaker 4: But many people think that the term flat earth has
Speaker 4: been hijacked, and we want to start getting away with that.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, people aren't going to go
Speaker 4: to Google and put in true Earth, so we're still
Speaker 4: in that quandary. But yeah, I agree with you one
Speaker 4: hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to me, like I was sold you. I
Speaker 1: discovered this these other ideas in the Bible, right, so
Speaker 1: I start reading my Bible more, I start taking in
Speaker 1: some flat earth content more. And of course we all
Speaker 1: know that the Bible substantially supports Biblical cosmology the flat earth.
Speaker 1: And you've had some other people come in and talk
Speaker 1: about players like that being God's throne right, like kind
Speaker 1: of like when you go back to like why the lie,
Speaker 1: Like it just all makes so much sense on this
Speaker 1: grand scale as to why they would lie about the
Speaker 1: earth where they're just trying to hide God from us.
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of when I get to like
Speaker 1: the more metaphorical reasons, you know, they're just so profound
Speaker 1: and overwhelming. And it like even if and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this, even if the earth is actually not flat,
Speaker 1: like what it has done for me just accepting that
Speaker 1: it is, even though I harp percent do believe it is,
Speaker 1: is just this profound thing where I'm now able to say, like,
Speaker 1: I take the word of God so seriously, so literally,
Speaker 1: I step outside of my doorstep every day and I
Speaker 1: can look at the North Star and say, there you are, Lord,
Speaker 1: I love you. You know, I'm here to serve you.
Speaker 1: And like, like the journey from where I was before
Speaker 1: to now, Like if you ask my wife, She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not even the same person. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, that's the power of the lie, Like
Speaker 1: that is the lie, Like that is what it is.
Speaker 1: Who cares really at the end of the day, who
Speaker 1: cares about the globe? Like that is it. That is
Speaker 1: the thing, like that's what they don't want and is
Speaker 1: like that connection between you and your creator. And I
Speaker 1: can just feel it so powerfully, and it's been changing
Speaker 1: me my life every day, like I just get closer
Speaker 1: and closer to God and so much so that Georgia,
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you something. You've inspired me. You
Speaker 1: know how you you evangelize, you hand out things, You
Speaker 1: talked about Jesus with people, right, and that's just amazing.
Speaker 1: I've been a Christian my whole life, never told a
Speaker 1: single person about Jesus in my entire life, right, What
Speaker 1: the heck is that? Come on? And and I started
Speaker 1: researching a little bit about like how can I start
Speaker 1: doing that? Like I feel called to do that? And
Speaker 1: I started doing that a little bit just in grocery stores.
Speaker 1: I go to people to say, hey, do you love
Speaker 1: Jesus and just have conversations. I hand out some things,
Speaker 1: and it's just so it's like, would I ever have
Speaker 1: done that ever if it weren't for discovering the truth
Speaker 1: about this world? You know?
Speaker 5: I mean it's powerful.
Speaker 4: And something I always add to that is we have
Speaker 4: been told by the news, right, and most people when
Speaker 4: we wake up. That's something we put in the history books.
Speaker 4: We don't watch the nightly news and get fed with propaganda.
Speaker 4: But they want us to believe that everybody who doesn't
Speaker 4: share our thoughts system like if you're a Republican, the Democrats,
Speaker 4: those crazy libs, that if we go out and try
Speaker 4: to talk to people, we're going to get hit over
Speaker 4: the head with the baseball bat. People are crazy. You
Speaker 4: just can't do that anymore. I have not had one
Speaker 4: bad interaction with people doing this.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: I will have people that'll just put their hand up
Speaker 4: and tell me straight up they're not interested, have a
Speaker 4: good day, no problems, just all right, you take care.
Speaker 4: I've had people who've talked to me. I'm like, I
Speaker 4: got to go. I've got other people. It's been thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: I had a Korean War veteran one time that talked
Speaker 4: to me for almost an hour at the Walmart parking lot.
Speaker 4: God bless them. But the whole thought of you know,
Speaker 4: everybody else is crazy, it's just a lie, and I
Speaker 4: think we are more alike even you know, they'll show
Speaker 4: you the oh the crazy blue haired person in Portland.
Speaker 4: You know that's the the one percent of the one
Speaker 4: percent as the same as the top of the food chain,
Speaker 4: the one percent of the one percent who's trying to
Speaker 4: make our lives miserable. Most people work hard, love their family,
Speaker 4: and are curious and are thoughtful, and it's a matter
Speaker 4: of presenting it, presenting information in a kind and loving way,
Speaker 4: and they will receive it as you present it in
Speaker 4: most cases.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I am. I just love what the Holy
Speaker 1: Spirit has done in my life ever since discovering this,
Speaker 1: and just in saying like I basically I prayed and
Speaker 1: I was like, Lord, I believe that the Bible's true,
Speaker 1: Like I believe what it says, and I said, I
Speaker 1: wanted to change my life, and and he's just working
Speaker 1: doing his thing, and I'm just here for it, honestly,
Speaker 1: and I'm just really excited. And uh and I just
Speaker 1: love how much I love talking about Jesus. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I love talking about flat Earth. That drives people crazy
Speaker 1: is like they just won't have a normal conversation and
Speaker 1: I'll just be like, Hey, whoa, you know, Jesus is
Speaker 1: this or there's this Bible passage I just read, or
Speaker 1: there's uh, you know what about the these sun rays?
Speaker 1: What do you think about this? You know, like I'm
Speaker 1: always talking about, I'm probably driving people crazy in my
Speaker 1: life at this point, but I don't care, Like I
Speaker 1: love this, This is great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but obviously it means that much to me because
Speaker 4: I dedicated it. You know, I'm someone who's interested in
Speaker 4: so many rabbit holes, but this one I saw very
Speaker 4: early on.
Speaker 5: Was how important it was.
Speaker 4: And you are a prime example of how in myself, right,
Speaker 4: but so many people come on. It changes the way
Speaker 4: you read the Bible right, and that in itself is
Speaker 4: mind blowing. You understand the lies, you understand God is
Speaker 4: right there. He's not in another dimension. He's right above
Speaker 4: you looking down, and you start everything starts to click,
Speaker 4: whether it's Joshua ten thirteen, Psalms nineteen one, all of
Speaker 4: these verses just what I get it now. And then
Speaker 4: you realize how evil the globe is. Not just a
Speaker 4: Santa claus Lie. This is ten thousandfold the Santa claus Lie.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and and like the the thing is like, how
Speaker 1: did the how did the church quote unquote let this?
Speaker 1: How did that? How did they let this happen? Right? Like?
Speaker 1: How did we get here? And I was just talking.
Speaker 1: JT talks a lot about these old buildings right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the cathedrals, and there are evidence of a time
Speaker 1: where the religion Jesus Christ was the pinnacle of human
Speaker 1: existence clearly, like that like everything was about him clearly,
Speaker 1: because I mean just look at this stuff and and Christianity,
Speaker 1: I mean it's been in a decline sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very evident, and at least to me, that's what
Speaker 1: I feel. And I'm just wondering, like that's why I like,
Speaker 1: you know, going back to that whole like little season
Speaker 1: thing before. I mean, it just makes so much sense
Speaker 1: some of that stuff, Like when you think about when
Speaker 1: you when you feel what's happening in the world, and
Speaker 1: then you see what it was before. And and for
Speaker 1: me now it's just like, man, I just want to learn.
Speaker 1: I want to learn everything, Like I just want to
Speaker 1: learn so much more about the Bible and the history
Speaker 1: and I want to be able to be somebody who
Speaker 1: can speak clearly to the truth, you know, And and
Speaker 1: when you think about just having this, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what I want to say right now. I'm just
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with just how crazy this whole thing has been
Speaker 1: for me in my own personal life.
Speaker 4: George, Sorry, no, no, it can be overwhelming when.
Speaker 1: You first here. We go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I was just going to ask.
Speaker 1: George. I was just I wanted to talk about I
Speaker 1: made some notes I wanted to talk about, like how
Speaker 1: did we get here as a church?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 1: Like we want to blame I don't even know. People
Speaker 1: come on here and they're blaming everybody all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm thinking, like, who are the leaders
Speaker 1: in our faith that let this happen? You know, Like
Speaker 1: when did they just accept this globe thing and just say, oh,
Speaker 1: all of these like literally littered the Bible is littered
Speaker 1: with passages talking about biblical cosmology and how close God
Speaker 1: is to us. It's just so evident right there. How
Speaker 1: did they just throw all that away? I mean, what
Speaker 1: they preach now is just it's just nothing compared to
Speaker 1: what it was. And and I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned earlier before we even got on here,
Speaker 1: that you're having a hard time finding a church, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't even know where I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to go now, because like I don't want anything besides
Speaker 1: just the cold hard truth of God and where He
Speaker 1: is and where we are and what it means to
Speaker 1: be saved. What it means to be a Christian all
Speaker 1: this kind of and this kind of thing, like I
Speaker 1: want it, but but I don't want to be the
Speaker 1: defeatist person who says, oh, I can't go anywhere. I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you a little bit, George about
Speaker 1: like how as a community, like, like what are the answers? Like?
Speaker 1: One thing's for sure is I don't think just hunkering
Speaker 1: down and homesteading isn't answer to any of this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. I can't stand that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And what do you think.
Speaker 5: I think it all depends on the person.
Speaker 4: I think if we followed the teachings of Paul in
Speaker 4: that form as far as having small meeting gatherings, you know,
Speaker 4: ten eleven twelve people like minded people instead of going
Speaker 4: to a physical and let'sten that this isn't a one
Speaker 4: stop fix. Everybody has their own needs and some people
Speaker 4: are blessed to have a church that fits their needs.
Speaker 4: And I'm just saying my particular case, it's been very
Speaker 4: difficult for me, and we have seen many flaws.
Speaker 5: In the church.
Speaker 4: And I don't have to show the Presbyterian Church has
Speaker 4: collapsed as a whole As a matter of fact, an
Speaker 4: article came out today the Presbyterian Church has had to
Speaker 4: let go of every single missionary there completely out of
Speaker 4: the mission business because insert reason. The churches are failing.
Speaker 4: And we talked beforehand, you know, for Easter Sunday service.
Speaker 4: You know, the average age is probably sixty five. There's
Speaker 4: a decline. Whether you're running a business or a church.
Speaker 4: The one thing you have to look at is the
Speaker 4: age because if you don't fix it, then you're not
Speaker 4: going to have any in the business world, customers, in
Speaker 4: the church world, congregants in twenty years. So you have
Speaker 4: to ask yourself what is the problem. There's a great
Speaker 4: book and I'm sure I'm blowing the title of this
Speaker 4: called give me a second. It's what do you call
Speaker 4: it when somebody dies and they do the post mortem?
Speaker 4: My goodness, no, for the reason for the person dying.
Speaker 4: It's a simple word.
Speaker 1: Oh and I.
Speaker 4: Can't think of it autopsy, sorry, the autopsy of the church.
Speaker 4: And this book is written as someone who is doing
Speaker 4: an autopsy on a church that has collapsed. There's many
Speaker 4: churches in our neck of the woods that have that
Speaker 4: are sitting empty. And he goes back and really lists
Speaker 4: the reasons why it died and the reasons for its death.
Speaker 4: And it's very intriguing and and much of it is
Speaker 4: because we have the whole basis for our conversation today
Speaker 4: is people aren't taking the Bible literally. We're trying to
Speaker 4: take the Bible and manipulate it so it fits our
Speaker 4: way of life, the worldly things right instead of.
Speaker 5: Right. Like the Methodist Church.
Speaker 4: Ten fifteen, twenty years ago, they started just becoming very
Speaker 4: i'll just say very progressive, right the alphabet LGBTQ and
Speaker 4: all of that stuff. And here's the thing, And again
Speaker 4: this is George's opinion. Just this is me as someone
Speaker 4: who reads the Bible. If you repent, okay, that means
Speaker 4: you're sorry for your previous actions that caused sin. But
Speaker 4: for you to truly repent, that means you have to
Speaker 4: change your way. So again this is George. And send
Speaker 4: your emails to FI files guests at gmail dot com,
Speaker 4: or go to the website and click on contact. I
Speaker 4: respond to everybody, But you can't say I repent and
Speaker 4: then jump in the sack with a guy again that night.
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: This is just my idea is hypocrite I'm not or anything.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying as the Bible says, don't get mad
Speaker 4: at me. This is what the Bible says. You can't
Speaker 4: no matter what your sin is. Right, that's just one sin.
Speaker 4: If you have a thing and it's wrong, and you
Speaker 4: know it, and you repent, but you go right back
Speaker 4: to it, right, God forgives us. But in order to repent,
Speaker 4: you have to try. You have to be willing to
Speaker 4: try to change your ways.
Speaker 5: And I think, and I'm writing.
Speaker 4: A I'm writing a substack right now, and I've been
Speaker 4: writing it for a week and I keep going back
Speaker 4: on it. But the sinner's prayer is something that has
Speaker 4: kind of come under the magnuscope. Try that again. It
Speaker 4: has come under the microscope for meu lately because I'm
Speaker 4: afraid that some people think it's some kind of magic
Speaker 4: spell that if you say it then you're just absolved
Speaker 4: and you continue about your day. That's not Billy Graham
Speaker 4: popularized that, and Billy Graham is a big part of
Speaker 4: this substack and the Graham family. Again, it's easier for
Speaker 4: the camel to get through the eye of a needle
Speaker 4: than a rich person to get into heaven.
Speaker 1: That's what I grew up my whole life. Yeah, hearing,
Speaker 1: And again I'm take full accountability. I didn't read the
Speaker 1: Bible myself and until recently, and I just cry out
Speaker 1: to everybody out there, like, read the Bible. Read the Bible.
Speaker 1: Read the Bible, like every answer to every single thing
Speaker 1: in your life is right there. And I'm just uncovering
Speaker 1: just I'm not even a quarterway through it, and it's
Speaker 1: it's just all right there, and like I cannot like
Speaker 1: the other thing I was gonna mention, Georgia is like
Speaker 1: my my new Like I know, it's a whole spectrum
Speaker 1: out there on what people views salvation for me personally,
Speaker 1: Like I worry so much that I was living a
Speaker 1: whole life outside of salvation until I rededicated my life
Speaker 1: to Jesus after discovering the truth, because I am. When
Speaker 1: I read the Bible, it put the fear of God
Speaker 1: in my soul. And it is something that you will
Speaker 1: never get unless you read it yourself. Don't let any
Speaker 1: other man or a woman tell you what the word
Speaker 1: guy says. Read it yourself. And I just think you
Speaker 1: have like you almost have to to be confident in
Speaker 1: your salvation. Like if somebody's making you feel confident in
Speaker 1: your salvation. You haven't read the Bible, like, please read it,
Speaker 1: you know. Like for me, I know that my I
Speaker 1: finally grabbed the wheel of my life and I took
Speaker 1: that exit onto that narrow road. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I was on that big road and I was
Speaker 1: just anytime, maybe asked me like are you saved? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying sure, you know, but again like that, just
Speaker 1: that sinner's prayer every once in a while, Like what
Speaker 1: even is repentance? Yes, you ask, You ask your modern
Speaker 1: day churchgoer, which was just me a few months ago,
Speaker 1: what does it mean to repent? They'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: pray forgive me my sins. But never is it the
Speaker 1: truth which Jesus commands so clearly in the Gospels, that
Speaker 1: you must despise your sin, turn away from everything of
Speaker 1: this world, give up everything, and focus on him. He says,
Speaker 1: if you love me, keep my commandments, and you will sin,
Speaker 1: of course. But when you make that decision to truly
Speaker 1: repent and turn your life get onto that narrow road,
Speaker 1: it becomes so easy to fight the devil and to
Speaker 1: turn away from sin. It's like so much easier would
Speaker 1: you have to actually grab that wheel and get off
Speaker 1: that road and learn to hate your sin. Like it's
Speaker 1: that I give you for me personally. This is just
Speaker 1: my personal being. Like if you're if you cuss and
Speaker 1: you don't feel bad about that word that just came
Speaker 1: out of your mouth, you might not despise your sin,
Speaker 1: and that might be a little thing to tell you, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you might want to go read some more. Let's talk
Speaker 1: to God pray because like you're supposed to hate your saying.
Speaker 4: The reason I'm kind of smiling and laughing is because
Speaker 4: it's so.
Speaker 1: Serious, man, Like, this is so serious, man Like, I
Speaker 1: just it is.
Speaker 4: But it's funny you mentioned that, because I just mentioned
Speaker 4: that guy at the Walmart parking lot, the EDDEO Korea
Speaker 4: War veteran. It started with me handing him a Bible track.
Speaker 4: Oh now I'm saved.
Speaker 5: I'm good. He said, I'm good, and then.
Speaker 4: Every fifth word was a curse word and me and
Speaker 4: my buddy he was with me, and we're looking at
Speaker 4: each other like this is I don't think people really
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 5: I really don't think people get it.
Speaker 4: I think people in this does no individual responsibility comes first, right,
Speaker 4: It has to start with the individual boom right, But
Speaker 4: there are a lot of people out there, and I'm
Speaker 4: guilty of it too. I had it my signature blocks
Speaker 4: on my emails. I put it on some of my
Speaker 4: I'll make home ade trifle sometimes if I want to
Speaker 4: direct somebody to somewhere, but I would have.
Speaker 5: It on there.
Speaker 4: And then it wasn't until I did a podcast because
Speaker 4: somebody sent me an email about Billy Graham Freemason this
Speaker 4: and that, and then a deep dab on their what
Speaker 4: do you call their nonprofit organization? Oh my goodness, gracious,
Speaker 4: And that's when I really started to understand, like he
Speaker 4: was the guy who brought about the Sinner's Prayer, he
Speaker 4: was the one who was trying to merge Catholics Roman
Speaker 4: Catholic Church with Protestants, and I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: what are we doing some people are I'm telling people
Speaker 4: to say this magic phrase and they think they're free,
Speaker 4: can just go right about their life. That is not
Speaker 4: repentance and following Christ.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. And that's why, like guys like I just
Speaker 1: want to say something the whole fighters community like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm new here for sure, I just discovered it. But
Speaker 1: guys like, well, we're especially people at the platform, like
Speaker 1: please say the name of Jesus, please, like, do not
Speaker 1: hide from his name, like just yell at from the
Speaker 1: mountain tipes. Guys. Because I've been I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of content. I've been taking it all in, but not
Speaker 1: all of it is based in scripture. And if you ever,
Speaker 1: like we're everyone's talking about like, oh, the world's going
Speaker 1: to crap and all this and all that, Like, guys,
Speaker 1: Jesus is the answer, Like like it's the lack of
Speaker 1: Jesus in people's lives that make them do what they're doing, okay,
Speaker 1: Like and like we talk about all the controllers and
Speaker 1: this idea that they're like, oh, evil's just going to
Speaker 1: be evil, like because we can fight back, but we
Speaker 1: have to declare the name of Jesus, like that is
Speaker 1: our weapon and we have to spread that. People have
Speaker 1: to become more connected with Jesus. Like that is the answer.
Speaker 1: Like too many times is it doom and gloom on
Speaker 1: some of the truth or content? Yeah, like it's it's
Speaker 1: so focused on like the end times, the day of
Speaker 1: the Lord, all this stuff. Guys, Like our community, we
Speaker 1: need people to get this idea that evangelism and missionaries
Speaker 1: are for third world countries. Get that lie out of
Speaker 1: your head, like this nation needs saved and we need
Speaker 1: warriors to wear the forearm armor of God and get
Speaker 1: out there, crawl out of your bunker that you just
Speaker 1: put in and go and be persecuted. Spread the name
Speaker 1: of Jesus, guys, like you know the truth, Like you
Speaker 1: guys know the truth? Like I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated when I hear so much stuff like oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get some solar panels and go in
Speaker 1: the woods, you know, Like you know, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm talking about? George.
Speaker 4: Just Yeah, She's just frustrating that there's a go between.
Speaker 4: For me, was just wanting to get away from the
Speaker 4: riff raft, from the just the worldly things. It's even
Speaker 4: it's a bit much for me to even to walk
Speaker 4: into a Walmart these days. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I beat feet locally and we'll go into town and
Speaker 4: and do things. But yeah, to completely take yourself and
Speaker 4: go Ted Kazinski and put a cabin in the woods,
Speaker 4: is that the right thing? Not for everybody. Because you
Speaker 4: are commanded, we are commanded.
Speaker 1: You're commanded to spread like Jesus died for us, give
Speaker 1: us one thing to do. Guys, he gave us one thing.
Speaker 1: And I saw some of stuff on Easter talking about
Speaker 1: like what he went through. Guys, like read that. Read
Speaker 1: what Jesus went through? Okay, and then go hide like
Speaker 1: seriously like that, don't actually go hide, guys right right
Speaker 1: out there, like like, let I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a fine line because there is a war
Speaker 4: on Christianity and there's a war on humans. All the
Speaker 4: things we talk about, whether it's chemtrails or vaccines, this,
Speaker 4: that and the other thing. That's a big reason people
Speaker 4: want to grow their own food, et cetera. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, you can't put your head in the
Speaker 4: sand and go into complete self preservation mode, because how
Speaker 4: are you going to spend you know, share the Gospel
Speaker 4: of Jesus.
Speaker 5: Now we do live, you know.
Speaker 4: In a rural area, but even there's other people outside
Speaker 4: of myself who spread gospel. I went to the at
Speaker 4: the corner there's a little country store and they have,
Speaker 4: you know, two little gas pumps and a few things inside,
Speaker 4: and somebody had put some Bible tracks on the gas pumps,
Speaker 4: and I was so excited. I was like, this is
Speaker 4: what I'm talking about, this is what people need to do,
Speaker 4: and that's cool to Even when I go to the
Speaker 4: post office sometimes I'll just leave a tract in there,
Speaker 4: hoping somebody will come in to fill out a mail
Speaker 4: form and see it and pick it up and walk
Speaker 4: out of there. And when we we don't eat out
Speaker 4: very much, maybe once every two months or something, but
Speaker 4: when we do, we try to put one with the
Speaker 4: tip a Bible track.
Speaker 5: And that's what you know.
Speaker 4: And I'm not preaching from the pulp, but i am
Speaker 4: not any better than anybody else. I'm just doing at
Speaker 4: my advanced age from I've seen evil firsthand. When I
Speaker 4: was doing my seminary paperwork, they asked me why I
Speaker 4: wanted to go for my masters, and I thought about it,
Speaker 4: and I well, why do I want to do this?
Speaker 4: Because you don't have to have a Master's of Divinity
Speaker 4: to preach the Gospel. But I do want to be
Speaker 4: more well informed. I want to be more in the Bible.
Speaker 4: I want to be taught from a classical stance as well.
Speaker 4: But the real reason is I've seen so much evil firsthand.
Speaker 4: I've seen that just great things in humanity and just
Speaker 4: the most evil things you could ever imagine, and I
Speaker 4: want the good to outweigh the bad. And my way
Speaker 4: to do that now after seeing all that death and
Speaker 4: destruction for twenty years of my life, is to bring
Speaker 4: the Gospel of Jesus to people. And these positive messages
Speaker 4: and some things we talk about, especially on the other podcast,
Speaker 4: they're not pleasant, but I always mentioned at the at
Speaker 4: the bottom of these at the bottom of the rabbit
Speaker 4: hole of Satan, at the top is Jesus, right, and that.
Speaker 1: Is the truth.
Speaker 4: Every single evil thing, whether it's nine to eleven vaccines,
Speaker 4: you find Satan in the end, but there is always
Speaker 4: a redeeming light, and that is Jesus.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Do you want to jump into the silver bullets
Speaker 1: as you call.
Speaker 5: Let's do it? Or do your silver bullets for flatter?
Speaker 1: All right? So obviously, like the Bible is my number one.
Speaker 1: There's just so much good stuff in there. I would say,
Speaker 1: like my favorite some of my favorite stuff is when
Speaker 1: in the in Job and in the Whirlwind, when God's
Speaker 1: saying did I.
Speaker 3: Not do this?
Speaker 1: Did I not do this? And I just just like, man,
Speaker 1: what a power move. That's so cool. I just visualized
Speaker 1: that chapter in Job is very powerful Polaris and the
Speaker 1: just the other stars, like how they align with the pyramids,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to give you a quick funny stories.
Speaker 1: Past Easter, my brother came in the first time I
Speaker 1: talked to him since I was a flat earther, and
Speaker 1: he has blowing up on me about how stupid I
Speaker 1: am right for being a flat earther, and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, calm down, man, calm down. Hear me out.
Speaker 1: And I got him to calm down just to know
Speaker 1: that I could tell him about that crazy corkscrew thing
Speaker 1: that we're doing through space according to NASA. And I
Speaker 1: showed him the diagram right, and then I showed him
Speaker 1: the Georgia guidestones right and some of these ancient mass
Speaker 1: with Polaris at this center. And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I was telling about Plaaris never moves absolutely ever. And
Speaker 1: right after I showed him that crazy diagram from NASA
Speaker 1: where we're flying through space, and he said to me,
Speaker 1: he said, no, you're lying about Polaris. There's no way
Speaker 1: what you're telling me about Larius is true. And then
Speaker 1: I was laughing. I was like, man, exactly, that's my point. Man,
Speaker 1: You like you see it too, man Like you're a
Speaker 1: flat earther. You don't even know it, And that really
Speaker 1: made it mad. It was a great easter, guys, it
Speaker 1: was awesome.
Speaker 4: But do you think it'll make them curious enough to
Speaker 4: dig any deeper or does he still have that wall up?
Speaker 1: Well, he definitely has the ball up.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 1: My dad's heard me talking about this a whole bunch.
Speaker 1: But he my brother mentioned, did you not see those
Speaker 1: girls that just went into space on Blue Origin? And
Speaker 1: then my dad, who's a glober, says no, that was fake.
Speaker 1: So then I got these two Globers arguing about which
Speaker 1: trip to space was faking, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I've over here just rolling because you know, this
Speaker 1: is really funny. It was. It was a great time
Speaker 1: with the family for sure. All right. So anyway, those
Speaker 1: numbers is the stars and then the crepuscular rays light
Speaker 1: shadows the way that they move. We can see too far.
Speaker 1: All we've seen all those experiments right seeing too far
Speaker 1: across the bodies of water where you can see the
Speaker 1: Chicago skyline from across the lake on a clear day.
Speaker 1: The one that really hit me because I'm you know,
Speaker 1: all the time when the studying and university is the
Speaker 1: NASA and military documents that talk about they do all
Speaker 1: these calculations assuming a flat, non moving earth. And that's
Speaker 1: really interesting. But that's a little that's a little sketchy
Speaker 1: to me just because it's like, so like why would
Speaker 1: they put that in there? But nonetheless it's really interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if and again, if you go to the
Speaker 4: CIA's historical library or whatever ever it is their documents
Speaker 4: and you actually put flat earth in quotations, uh so
Speaker 4: it doesn't search for the words individually, you will get
Speaker 4: a lot of I did that just the other day again,
Speaker 4: and there's just document after documents saying, whether it's a
Speaker 4: technical manual for a piece of equipment or whatever, it says,
Speaker 4: treat the earth that has it's flat and non rotational.
Speaker 4: And again, anything you do, you train, as you fight,
Speaker 4: you practice, as you play, that's got to be a
Speaker 4: big red flag.
Speaker 5: Great point. Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing that's sketchy about that is like if they know,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it just be wouldn't it just go unsaid? Like
Speaker 1: if you're if these people who are doing these formulas
Speaker 1: and creating these reports like they know obviously, so why
Speaker 1: would they put it in there? And it goes back
Speaker 1: to kind of the about the how they have to
Speaker 1: tell you right, there's all these clues all over the place,
Speaker 1: and it just makes.
Speaker 4: Sense absolutely, and disclosure it's.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just like more than disclosure of
Speaker 1: those like just straight up right in front of your face. Yeah, mockery,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely mockery.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: The Emergency Landings is my last one, the in connecting flights,
Speaker 1: and uh, it just makes so much sense, beautiful on
Speaker 1: a flat Earth map. When I looked into some of
Speaker 1: that stuff, it was really cool. But you guys have
Speaker 1: talked about that quite a bit on here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need to get Eddie Allen Carr on this podcast.
Speaker 4: He was the one who wrote that book sixteen Emergency
Speaker 4: Landings that that proved flat Earth.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm absolutely yeah and not and then you just
Speaker 1: go outside and it's I saw this video the day
Speaker 1: I was just talking about how like from a very
Speaker 1: young age, we're fed the globe stuff and we're fed
Speaker 1: all of this science fiction crazy sign stuff from a
Speaker 1: very young age. And the video was specifying on what
Speaker 1: it does here psyche when it comes to no longer
Speaker 1: trusting your own senses and your own eyes, and how
Speaker 1: much easier it will be for the rest of your
Speaker 1: life to give you know, put your faith in these
Speaker 1: white lab coat scientists people, or your your overseers or
Speaker 1: your government right because you've been trained from a very
Speaker 1: beginning to not trust your own two eyes. And I
Speaker 1: never really thought too much about that, but it's just
Speaker 1: it's almost sick, like what they've done to children and
Speaker 1: you know, going into adulthood like in that way, manipulating
Speaker 1: because they understand psychology so much like these the controllers
Speaker 1: understand it beyond it's crazy, and that's why we're Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm addicted to flat earth videos now, but it
Speaker 1: used to be just like you know, doom strolling and
Speaker 1: they're you know, like they understand this stuff the way
Speaker 1: that the human mind works. And it's just I know
Speaker 1: that George, you talk about you want your kids to
Speaker 1: kind of see the truth and what the world says,
Speaker 1: and you know, now that I have a five month old,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that kind of thing. You know, what
Speaker 1: what am I going to do? How am I going
Speaker 1: to raise her? Like what's the what's the right answer?
Speaker 4: And that's interesting because like that's not something that's not
Speaker 4: something that I had to deal with that never came
Speaker 4: up when I was a teenager. Just today, when we
Speaker 4: were driving around, uh you know, going to Low's picking
Speaker 4: up lumber, et cetera, doing our things, I was actually
Speaker 4: playing a podcast. I rarely do it, but I wanted
Speaker 4: to go back and to check the audio, and my
Speaker 4: wife and daughter were so enamored by it. We ended
Speaker 4: up just listening to the whole thing. And she is
Speaker 4: very well aware and she watches videos, but she is
Speaker 4: also in her curriculum through Monarch Alpha and Omega Publishing,
Speaker 4: you know, they teach that stuff and she is aware of,
Speaker 4: you know, the official narrative, and we try she's fifteen
Speaker 4: and a half and she you know, we tell her
Speaker 4: this is what they're told and why it's taught. And
Speaker 4: being in a Christian school again, that is something that
Speaker 4: is frustrating when you hear things like you know, ken
Speaker 4: Ham and that neck of the Woods who understand young
Speaker 4: Earth and build an arc and have such the experience.
Speaker 4: But if you even mentioned her thinking about saying anything
Speaker 4: about flat Earth down there, they'll completely shut you down.
Speaker 4: And he k has written many articles all over the
Speaker 4: Internet just just destroying flat Earth. And to me, it's
Speaker 4: like I at this point It's really hard for me
Speaker 4: how people can see this but they can't see the
Speaker 4: connecting dot too.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess for me, I just worry about, like
Speaker 1: because I've been like going to being homeschool myself, but
Speaker 1: then being with children who are in the school system,
Speaker 1: like and always kind of feeling like an outsider, like,
Speaker 1: and then when I was finally given that freedom, I
Speaker 1: kind of just was sucked straight into that. I can
Speaker 1: see that, you know. And I became very worldly right
Speaker 1: when I left home and and you know, did all
Speaker 1: that through college, all that college life, you know, And
Speaker 1: I worry about just the right like how to raise
Speaker 1: children in this day and age, and like, I just
Speaker 1: want to tell them the truth. But when they go
Speaker 1: with their friends, they're just going to be that crazy outsider.
Speaker 1: And I'm worried that when they taste freedom, they're going
Speaker 1: to be sucked in. But you know, I just I
Speaker 1: know that Jesus and his powers so strand done. As
Speaker 1: long as they love him more than they love themselves
Speaker 1: and anything of this world, everything will be great. But
Speaker 1: much easier said than done, of course.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you you know who gets that right the amish.
Speaker 4: They don't never got into the worldly problem. They don't
Speaker 4: have to worry about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not sure if I have anything
Speaker 1: else written down here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna put this link into the show notes
Speaker 4: for people so they can go to the uh the
Speaker 4: CIA's Freedom of Information Act archive and just put in
Speaker 4: those two words, and well you get a plethora of
Speaker 4: documents and again it's in your face. Yeah, they told us.
Speaker 4: It's just sometimes it takes just a little bit of looking,
Speaker 4: a little bit of watching. Have you I don't know
Speaker 4: if you were like a movie buff or TV buff
Speaker 4: before you woke up, have you like going back and
Speaker 4: why some of these things and started to notice things
Speaker 4: within the background or things of that nature.
Speaker 1: A little bit? What was the true Truman show? Is
Speaker 1: that the tru carry with the dome?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where? Yeah? That one? I so I was struggling a
Speaker 1: little bit and still am with like the firmament being
Speaker 1: a solid, impassable dome, right, because it's it almost seems
Speaker 1: like too simple for god, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: In a way, I'm not saying it's not real. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's interesting, right, but it's almost funny. How
Speaker 1: where I am. Now The Truman Show validated that. For me.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, okay, yeah it is real because it
Speaker 1: was in the Truman Show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: Like like it's like, thank you, guys, you helped me
Speaker 1: get there. You know, that's right showing me like that.
Speaker 4: The other big one for me was I always like
Speaker 4: they Live with Roddy Piper because I was a wrestling
Speaker 4: fan growing up. But you know, the Hawkgan and those guys,
Speaker 4: and then you know, after you wake up and you
Speaker 4: go back and watch it, you know, like this guy
Speaker 4: is trying to tell the story of how hard it
Speaker 4: is to wake people up. You know, you tell people
Speaker 4: just look watch this video, just listen to this podcast,
Speaker 4: just just one time, and they're like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: And that that fight scene with them trying to put
Speaker 4: the glasses on is really just an analogy of trying
Speaker 4: to get people to take one second and get out
Speaker 4: of the worldly ways and just to look at something
Speaker 4: for one minute, and how difficult of a task that
Speaker 4: can be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely going to rewatch that again now that
Speaker 1: you just mentioned it, because it's been forever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it hits a lot of places.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you. I did have this crazy,
Speaker 1: completely random question to ask you, what do you think
Speaker 1: crude oil is?
Speaker 4: Crude oil is just a renewable.
Speaker 5: Like water.
Speaker 4: I think it's something that is so plentiful. I've done
Speaker 4: some research and there was a week, maybe a couple
Speaker 4: of days late last year and I stopped. There's so
Speaker 4: many things that I want to research and only so
Speaker 4: much time. But follow me for a second, if go ahead,
Speaker 4: she ol right, sheal as hell. And I wonder if
Speaker 4: this is like a magic fluid that Satan is like.
Speaker 4: I know this sounds way out there, right, but this
Speaker 4: you tap the ground and it's shield. You look at
Speaker 4: the old maps with sheel and oil. Is it something
Speaker 4: from the underworld?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then when you see those pillars of Earth,
Speaker 1: there's like the shield coming up between the pillars. Yes.
Speaker 1: And I saw this video from way way back, black
Speaker 1: and white, somebody was saying that the oil is as
Speaker 1: plentiful as water. It's you're made to think it's scarce.
Speaker 1: But I also still believe that there was infinite free
Speaker 1: energy and still there is today. We're just not allowed
Speaker 1: to tap into a researcher otherwise we get taken out.
Speaker 1: But I and then if you would, if you think
Speaker 1: about how God would make a make a world, energy
Speaker 1: would be free and it would be clean. And crude
Speaker 1: oil is almost the exact opposite of that. It's been monetized,
Speaker 1: and it's super dirty. Not only is it visibly dirty,
Speaker 1: it like creates all this, you know, all these gases
Speaker 1: and everything, and it is almost it's like when we
Speaker 1: talked before, like how sayan takes God's things and he
Speaker 1: perverts them and inverts them, and it's that's almost kind
Speaker 1: of how I see the crude oil and then we
Speaker 1: know that like the money runs the world and crude
Speaker 1: oil is a huge piece of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's it's weird how the some of the
Speaker 1: most evil things of this world money right, are directly
Speaker 1: connected to this suspicious black using fluid from the ground.
Speaker 1: And because you can't really like if you if you
Speaker 1: believe in creationism, you can't really buy into the idea
Speaker 1: that it's just old vegetation because the earth isn't old enough, right.
Speaker 5: It's not.
Speaker 1: So even even me who believed in the creation story
Speaker 1: in a young Earth, sixty five seven thousand year old Earth, whatever,
Speaker 1: I never even thought to question what I'm told about
Speaker 1: all these other things. You know, it's not until you
Speaker 1: kind of see the truth for like something, you can
Speaker 1: question absolutely everything. And it's like, you know, this oil
Speaker 1: is that's I'm on board with you what you're saying, George, honestly. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I found one of the articles in my notes
Speaker 4: that I was studying. It's called Hill the Underworld also
Speaker 4: has the oil substance in the universe, and it really
Speaker 4: talks about how shoal is also the same liquid but
Speaker 4: of a different grade of the fallen ones where they're
Speaker 4: being held. So when we perform this drilling, we're actually
Speaker 4: drilling where these beings are being kept. And again and
Speaker 4: to you for you to fully understand it, I put
Speaker 4: the link in the show notes. You'll see the waters
Speaker 4: above the firmament, the fluff gates, the firmament of the sky,
Speaker 4: the sun and the moon Earth, and like right above
Speaker 4: the columns of the earth is shil and it is
Speaker 4: in the Bible, and then the Abyss is under that.
Speaker 4: And that's what a lot of people believe that that
Speaker 4: is the Like sometimes they tell us the truth, but
Speaker 4: then they invert it, like so they tell us that
Speaker 4: you know, maybe it's fossil fuels, it's dead dinosaurs in
Speaker 4: these things. But what if it's really this, you know
Speaker 4: from shoal it's dead the from the world of the day,
Speaker 4: if you will, the land of the dead, you know,
Speaker 4: hell for lack of a better word.
Speaker 1: So do you remember the Beverly Hillbilly is where they
Speaker 1: like shot from the ground. Yeah, you know. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: like what are they telling you of that? Like what
Speaker 1: is that? You know? And yeah, this, uh, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask Hugh George, like, do you ever
Speaker 1: like take a position on some of the things that
Speaker 1: when it comes to the end Times? Like I'm like
Speaker 1: I mentioned in the beginning with like the Little Season,
Speaker 1: like are you willing to share kind of where you
Speaker 1: are with all that stuff?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 4: I hate to say it because I don't want it
Speaker 4: to I don't want people to think that it's a
Speaker 4: cop out, but my eschatology change is constantly. My views
Speaker 4: on eschatology and the end Times change is often. Recently
Speaker 4: I was leaning towards it just maybe we are in
Speaker 4: the Little Season because I truly believe that the world changed,
Speaker 4: that evil stopped hiding and showed its ugly face after
Speaker 4: nine to eleven, two thousand and one. But I will
Speaker 4: tell you that someone who I think the world of,
Speaker 4: Josh from the Founded Earth Brothers, he did a two
Speaker 4: hour kind of YouTube podcast with another gentleman and he
Speaker 4: made a lot of valid points to where maybe we're not.
Speaker 4: But if you count the days, like for you know,
Speaker 4: one Biblical day as a millennium, you know, if we're
Speaker 4: at that six or seven thousand year timeframe, then you
Speaker 4: know we very well could be in those times. It's
Speaker 4: an interesting conversation. I hate to cop out, but I'm
Speaker 4: not sure if we are or not. And I'm hoping
Speaker 4: that is something that eventually because once I I if
Speaker 4: I feel obviously I have a podcast on flat Earth,
Speaker 4: so I'm very committed to that if I do, like,
Speaker 4: if I come across something that makes me that convinces me,
Speaker 4: I would certainly come out and talk about it and
Speaker 4: also be willing to listen to other people, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just a lot of the Bible is metaphorical but
Speaker 1: also very literal, and it's very poetic and sometimes and
Speaker 1: it's crazy how we get all caught up in this
Speaker 1: end times like Jesus is coming or where are we win?
Speaker 1: Is this win is this, but like we can just
Speaker 1: jump in our car and five minutes down the road
Speaker 1: we could be taken out by a semi And it's
Speaker 1: like at that in that sense, aren't the end times today?
Speaker 1: Like for you? And it almost to me, I'm when
Speaker 1: I'm reading it, I'm the Bible now, I almost see
Speaker 1: it as past, present, future all at the same time almost,
Speaker 1: And it's and it reminds me of how a lot
Speaker 1: of the things that were happening in the Old Testament
Speaker 1: were just the story of Jesus over and over and
Speaker 1: over again, just not yet, you know. And it's really interesting,
Speaker 1: is I just I'm just so excited where I am
Speaker 1: right now my personal journey because there's just so many
Speaker 1: things to look forward to learning and I can put
Speaker 1: away the things of this world, put those off to
Speaker 1: the side, and just focus on the Word of God
Speaker 1: and like all the different things that that leads to.
Speaker 1: It's just really exciting. I go ahead. I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, my dad, lucky for me, he was a
Speaker 1: big time book collector and he has like practically ancient
Speaker 1: Bibles in his library. Wow, from the the oldest one
Speaker 1: I found so far is like from the eighteen eighties
Speaker 1: or something like that, which is not ancient by any means,
Speaker 1: but it is in my eyes, and the amount of
Speaker 1: work that these people were putting into these things at
Speaker 1: that time even goes beyond anything that exists today, and
Speaker 1: it was really interesting. I can't wait to dig more
Speaker 1: into some of that older stuff.
Speaker 4: But one of our great listeners sent me a fifteen
Speaker 4: sixty Geneva Bible.
Speaker 5: But the large sprint, I mean, the.
Speaker 4: Book's like this big is my eyes are getting bed
Speaker 4: in their old age, and I'm really I want to
Speaker 4: read more into Yah Sure and Enoch and those type
Speaker 4: of things, because maybe those, again supplemental books, not necessarily
Speaker 4: canon books, can help shed some light and answer some
Speaker 4: of those questions I'm kind of tinkering with. By the way,
Speaker 4: here's a fun fact for you. Do you know how
Speaker 4: many times the word shield is in the Bible?
Speaker 1: Geez? How many sixty six sixty six chances?
Speaker 4: Oh, my little word that means hell is in the
Speaker 4: Bible sixty six times?
Speaker 1: And there didn't you say there's sixty six books right now?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: Right, So that's yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah, That's
Speaker 1: why I want to learn so much more about this
Speaker 1: the older some of his older stuff and the history
Speaker 1: and everything, and it's just my dad had a a
Speaker 1: Bible that has practically like an illustration on every page. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was some of the most beautiful stuff I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I've never seen before, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this was in here my entire life in the library,
Speaker 1: I never once picked it up like that, and I
Speaker 1: was like, now, I just can't get enough of that.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking and it's like the Word of God
Speaker 1: made pictures. It's just so beautiful and it's just really exciting.
Speaker 1: The I love talking about flat earth so much, George I.
Speaker 1: I was at the liquor store after Alante's work the
Speaker 1: other day and I never once have talked to the
Speaker 1: guy at the checkout, but I've seen so many times,
Speaker 1: and I asked him, I said, hey, are you you
Speaker 1: look like somebody to be into conspiracy theories? Have you
Speaker 1: considered are you ever considered flat Earth? And he perked
Speaker 1: up and was so eager to talk to me about that.
Speaker 1: And now we have like this connection, and I just
Speaker 1: it's just so fun to talk about and it's and
Speaker 1: he's super open to it, and I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: he is on board yet, but It's just there are
Speaker 1: so many people out there who are questioning the world
Speaker 1: right now for obvious reasons, and maybe they haven't seen
Speaker 1: the flowery Earth yet. But I'm excited to keep bringing
Speaker 1: the truth out there, and I think people, I think
Speaker 1: more people are looking for truth right now than than not.
Speaker 1: And obviously Jesus comes first, but.
Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of that goes back to
Speaker 4: with COVID, and even the normist of normies saw, you know,
Speaker 4: something isn't adding up, and many people took time to
Speaker 4: just research and that led to maybe their algorithm showing
Speaker 4: them another video, and it led them to their awakening.
Speaker 4: So again we started the conversation with technology being a
Speaker 4: double edged sword, and you know, it's come full circle
Speaker 4: to that evil when they overplay their hand, can lead
Speaker 4: to a great awakening. And even five years ago we couldn't.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have half the people emailing me asking to
Speaker 4: join this podcast if COVID never happened. So again, you
Speaker 4: have to take these blessing into skuide because seventy five
Speaker 4: percent of the people who have come on this podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm just spitballing here, but a large portion woke up
Speaker 4: because of you know, why if they have this magical
Speaker 4: elixir that fixes everything, why are they giving it to
Speaker 4: me for free? Why are they offering me a free
Speaker 4: burger and fries or a free joint or this or
Speaker 4: that to take this jab? If it works so well,
Speaker 4: why don't they just if they have this miracle cure,
Speaker 4: say hey, we have a cure, come get it, and
Speaker 4: everybody should just go running down there.
Speaker 5: But they overplayed their hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what the enemy meant for evil, God will use
Speaker 1: for good for sure.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 1: And the COVID thing for me at that at that
Speaker 1: point in time, I was so focused on myself because
Speaker 1: I was at that point in my life where it
Speaker 1: was like it was all me. Right, I'm in my
Speaker 1: young or you know, mid twenties. All I'm doing is
Speaker 1: lifting weights, listening to the death metal and you know,
Speaker 1: eating all the protein and doing my worldly engineering job.
Speaker 1: And for me, I see this is the thing, George, Like,
Speaker 1: I feel so bad to this day, like what my
Speaker 1: life was like during COVID because I was part of
Speaker 1: this white collar club. I can't even I can't even
Speaker 1: stand it anymore, what like they did to these people,
Speaker 1: Like ah, like I'm at home getting paid a salary,
Speaker 1: working out in my garage gym, you know, and then
Speaker 1: there's all these families out here, lives and communities and
Speaker 1: everything is being completely destroyed. But me, because at the
Speaker 1: time I was in the club right of this white
Speaker 1: collar global engineering firm, COVID did nothing to me. It
Speaker 1: was the best time of my life. And it's disgusting,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, George, Like absolutely, it's horrible,
Speaker 1: Like I feel so bad now, and yeah, it's just what, yeah,
Speaker 1: what they did to you know, families and and my
Speaker 1: my papa died in a nursing home and when none
Speaker 1: of us were able to go see him, and at
Speaker 1: the time, and I remember just how hard that was
Speaker 1: on my mom because she was with me when he
Speaker 1: passed away. And yeah, it's just pure evil. And like
Speaker 1: I just pray for forgiveness for every Boddy involved for
Speaker 1: that and that they'll find Jesus. I really do, Like
Speaker 1: I really hope these people find Jesus and turn away
Speaker 1: from Yah. That's the only thing that's ever going to
Speaker 1: help these people that are behind all this.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: That's like at such a high level, like you might
Speaker 1: think that nothing can be done, but you just have
Speaker 1: that faith.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you do, you do.
Speaker 4: And you know my wife, she would come home in
Speaker 4: tears saying that, you know, I was the last person
Speaker 4: this You know, I was the last person this person
Speaker 4: saw as they passed away. But it shouldn't have been me.
Speaker 4: It should have been the family. But they weren't allowed
Speaker 4: in there, you know, or they could only have one
Speaker 4: loved one in there. And she had to watch the
Speaker 4: daughter's sons, you know, pleading for to go in. And
Speaker 4: you know, she had to leave that particular phase of
Speaker 4: nursing because number one, it was bad for mental health.
Speaker 4: Number two, s refuse to get the jabs, so she quit.
Speaker 4: But blessings come to those, you know, who stand by
Speaker 4: the laws of God, the rules of God, and who
Speaker 4: don't been too worldly ways Psalms one, eighteen eight. You know,
Speaker 4: put your faith in God, not in man. One other
Speaker 4: thing I wanted to touch on before we start to
Speaker 4: wind down is this. You know, we see a lot
Speaker 4: of the churches go to Protestia dot com. You'll scratch
Speaker 4: your head every time you see. And we talk about
Speaker 4: this movement for a one world religion, but there's really in.
Speaker 5: The Christian entity.
Speaker 4: There's only really two organizations that control the churches. You know,
Speaker 4: this whole ecumenical movement started late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 4: and the world what is it called the World Council
Speaker 4: of Churches, They pretty much oversee everything that's not Catholics.
Speaker 4: So you know, you have Orthodox Christian, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist,
Speaker 4: all of those, and then you have the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: So really only have two entities that are controlling all
Speaker 4: this Christianity. So again at the top, we don't see it.
Speaker 4: Many people don't see it locally. They just maybe know
Speaker 4: their preacher and the preacher's deacon, you know. But that's
Speaker 4: the problem when you get into a church with the denomination.
Speaker 4: And then again, I'm sure there's churches out there Methodist
Speaker 4: or Baptist, or people who are listening right now may
Speaker 4: have just a great church and are blessed with a
Speaker 4: great preacher, and they focus outward, not just inward. Like
Speaker 4: we talked about getting the word out and not portraying
Speaker 4: themselves as a business where they put up a sign
Speaker 4: and hope people come to them. But people would be
Speaker 4: surprised if they did some research. The World Council of
Speaker 4: Churches and the Catholic Church control probably ninety plus percent
Speaker 4: of all the Christian churches.
Speaker 1: My mom was, she still does. She goes to a
Speaker 1: Presbyterian church the years that she's been there's been there
Speaker 1: a long time. She's you know, she tells me about
Speaker 1: some of the things that are happening at the higher level. Yep,
Speaker 1: I think they split. I think the Methodists might have
Speaker 1: split as well. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Presbyterian USA. And then there's something else. And the
Speaker 4: Methodist Church split five years ago too, Yes they.
Speaker 1: Did, right, Okay, Yeah, so she she fills me in
Speaker 1: on some of that stuff going on. But the Presidentian
Speaker 1: church that she goes to right now, they have a
Speaker 1: congregation of less than twenty and they I almost always
Speaker 1: have my entire life. And every time they have a
Speaker 1: budget budget meeting that comes up, I have to dismiss
Speaker 1: myself because it's hard for me to sit through these
Speaker 1: budgets talks when they're these organizations have like millions of
Speaker 1: dollars in their reserves wherever they are, and they're spending.
Speaker 1: They're always going over budget just to keep their doors
Speaker 1: open and pay their bills and all this thing. And
Speaker 1: the only thing that goes through my mind in some
Speaker 1: of these cases is like like, wouldn't this be like
Speaker 1: wouldn't this money be more well spent in an organization
Speaker 1: that is actually doing and producing fruit, like producing fruit
Speaker 1: for the community and instead of just going to waste.
Speaker 1: And it's that was like growing up, even when I
Speaker 1: was early young and sitting through those meetings and seeing
Speaker 1: how it's always a negative that they're always losing money
Speaker 1: and they're not going out and producing fruit, like and
Speaker 1: I'm not really getting even then, I knew I wasn't
Speaker 1: really getting the truth of the gospel even then. And
Speaker 1: that's probably all across the country. Oh, it's just like that.
Speaker 4: That's our church has about twenty I counted twenty two
Speaker 4: on Easter Sunday. And I think you should ask your
Speaker 4: church elders what is the mission of the church. When
Speaker 4: I started my business, the first thing I did was
Speaker 4: I I wrote my mission statement. Is why am I
Speaker 4: doing this? If you're doing it just for the money,
Speaker 4: don't do it. You have to have a reason to
Speaker 4: do anything in life. So ask your church elders what
Speaker 4: is your mission statement? Like If they don't have an answer,
Speaker 4: that's a sign that's one of the reasons they're not.
Speaker 4: But if their message is to bring the Gospel of
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ to the community. Then follow up with what
Speaker 4: are we doing to supplement that? How are we accomplishing
Speaker 4: that mission? And I've been to churches here and again
Speaker 4: I'm not like the overseer of the churches and I
Speaker 4: go around greade each church. It's not what I'm trying
Speaker 4: to say. But you know when I see churches, for instance,
Speaker 4: and this may seem such minutia of people, but you know,
Speaker 4: after church and they break out a grill and they
Speaker 4: cook and they have food together and then they go home.
Speaker 4: What have I think everything that should be done in
Speaker 4: the church. One should be for the pastor to shepherd
Speaker 4: his congregation, but he should be his congregation to go
Speaker 4: out and lead to be disciples.
Speaker 1: Yes, and.
Speaker 4: Again it goes back to people who think, as long
Speaker 4: as I show up and I say that that magic phrase,
Speaker 4: I'm good to go, and I'm just I'm not there anymore.
Speaker 4: We have to be more serious as Christians. I don't
Speaker 4: want to be like a beer if it were Christians,
Speaker 4: Christian light, just one calorie. You've got to be all
Speaker 4: in and you have to be willing. You have to
Speaker 4: be willing to talk to people and the two things
Speaker 4: people are so hesitant to talk about in our community
Speaker 4: are flat earth and Jesus Christ. Right, you can talk
Speaker 4: about the game on Sunday and all these other things,
Speaker 4: but why are we so hesitant to bring up something
Speaker 4: that can Eternity is an awful long time and if
Speaker 4: you can change someone's life, someone's eternity, that's powerful.
Speaker 1: It really is. And the oftentimes like like you're people,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just some things I've heard, like
Speaker 1: your grandma's faith isn't going to save you, right, your
Speaker 1: parents' faith isn't going to save you. Like when you
Speaker 1: read the Bible and that says to go out and
Speaker 1: baptize on nations. It's not saying your church down the
Speaker 1: street go out and you know your pastor at your
Speaker 1: church down the street, go out and do this. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's saying you, like, like, if your church isn't
Speaker 1: empowering you to do what is strictly commanded in the
Speaker 1: New Testament by Jesus in his own words, just read
Speaker 1: Jesus's own words, only listen to him, and there's enough
Speaker 1: right there for you. Like no other entity, no other organization,
Speaker 1: can save you. Like it's Jesus alone and you have to,
Speaker 1: you know, listen to him and do what he says.
Speaker 1: It's like nobody else can do that for you. And
Speaker 1: too many times we go to church just like we've
Speaker 1: always just grabbed somebody like here, come to church with me.
Speaker 1: They'll save you.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, man, you have that relationship with
Speaker 1: that friend in your life. If you have that friend
Speaker 1: in your life who is not saved, God put you
Speaker 1: in their life to share the gospel with them. Don't
Speaker 1: just grab their arm yank them to church and then
Speaker 1: don't talk to him about Jesus the rest of the week.
Speaker 1: You know, like that's not it's not enough, Like you're
Speaker 1: not doing your part. God has you there for a reason,
Speaker 1: Like you're here for a reason. It's you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And it's a wonderful and beautiful thing. And
Speaker 1: it's fun, it really is.
Speaker 4: And there's Yeah, there's small things you can do when
Speaker 4: you go out to dinner, say make sure you say
Speaker 4: say grace. Other people say that it's contagious. Just like
Speaker 4: during COVID you walk in without a mask. Yeah, there
Speaker 4: was people who were looked at you with despot. You know,
Speaker 4: they despised you. But there's also people who maybe didn't
Speaker 4: have the courage to do so they saw you and
Speaker 4: they give you that nod, that look, and like maybe
Speaker 4: just maybe that gave someone the courage to take off
Speaker 4: their mask. And you know what I'm getting at the
Speaker 4: setting an example can be powerful.
Speaker 1: It's that fruit. I like, when you are truly living
Speaker 1: for Christ, like you are commanded, yeah, you will produce fruit.
Speaker 1: And to me, I don't know if this is biblical
Speaker 1: or not. I just envision a true Christian, a true
Speaker 1: disciple of the Lord, as this tree with fruit, and
Speaker 1: any person walking by them just can pick some of
Speaker 1: this from them. I don't know if this is biblical,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of how I see it. And in
Speaker 1: everyone who pays by you, you should be hoping for
Speaker 1: them to grab a piece of that fruit, that is
Speaker 1: the piece of the Holy Spirit from you, because you're
Speaker 1: carrying the Holy Spirit with you. And to your point,
Speaker 1: like if that's praying in public, I mean, that's wonderful, amazing.
Speaker 1: It's just I I have a problem and my dad
Speaker 1: wants me to stop, but I can't not pick up hitchhikers.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just I just feel like
Speaker 1: when I'm driving down the road, I see somebody walking,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like I have to help them, you know,
Speaker 1: like I have to, and he can't stand it because
Speaker 1: he thinks I'm going to get killed. And I literally
Speaker 1: told him, I said, I would rather be killed loving
Speaker 1: somebody than to drive by them and not love them.
Speaker 1: Like that's where I am right now, and I'll be
Speaker 1: in head I'll see you guys there.
Speaker 5: But that's that's commendable.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I've done it before by myself, but many times if
Speaker 4: I have my wife or daughter in their car, I
Speaker 4: just can't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, it's a different story.
Speaker 4: But when we were in the military, if you were
Speaker 4: driving past a soldier who was walking, if you didn't
Speaker 4: stop and pick them up, you would get in trouble.
Speaker 4: And and these are a lot of the values that
Speaker 4: I would try to share, you know, just trying to
Speaker 4: help people.
Speaker 5: Simple gestures.
Speaker 4: Could go so far and they can lead to bigger things,
Speaker 4: just simple gestures.
Speaker 1: So then when it goes back, like we're talking earlier
Speaker 1: about like what is the solution to this evil in
Speaker 1: this world? Like it it seriously is so simple to me.
Speaker 1: It's just Jesus you know, and loving him and then
Speaker 1: letting the Holy Spirit work through you, like don't you
Speaker 1: don't even have to do anything. All you have to
Speaker 1: do is pray to God, say God, use me, let
Speaker 1: him use you, do as He commands, being that beautiful,
Speaker 1: rich relationship with Jesus, and and then literally the world
Speaker 1: will become better. Like that is literally I have one
Speaker 1: hundred percent faith if that Christians today woke up you
Speaker 1: know that we love that word, right, yeah, and realize
Speaker 1: that Jesus is the answer. Flat earth is beautiful and amazing.
Speaker 1: It's not the answer, you know, Yeah, like waking up
Speaker 1: quote unquote should be truly repenting, turning to Jesus being
Speaker 1: that fruit tree like he tells us.
Speaker 5: To be amen.
Speaker 4: Now you're spot on. You presented everything perfectly, and it's amazing,
Speaker 4: you know, talking to you for this these last ninety
Speaker 4: minutes to see kind of your your transformation into a
Speaker 4: follower of Jesus Christ and how passionate you are about
Speaker 4: it is very inspiring. And I hope that this inspires
Speaker 4: other people to take your lead. And you're right. If
Speaker 4: more people would, you know, really not be to become
Speaker 4: fruit bearers, right, it would change the world.
Speaker 5: It truly would.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I I just I just loved you so much,
Speaker 1: and I just know that like like he's just like
Speaker 1: staying there with open arms, like I just can't. I
Speaker 1: just I just wish I could articulate it better, like
Speaker 1: the overwhelming change in your life, no matter who you are,
Speaker 1: no matter where you were, where you've been, like it
Speaker 1: will have on your life. And yeah, it's a very
Speaker 1: it's a very amazing, very powerful.
Speaker 4: But go ahead, George, No, it's it's this has been
Speaker 4: a great conversation where we're just now at at the
Speaker 4: ninety minute marks so we can start to to wind down.
Speaker 4: We touched on the six Silver Bullets, We talked about
Speaker 4: the Little Season and just about everything I'm looking at
Speaker 4: on your your email is uh and again all of
Speaker 4: these things and this is a very important thing for
Speaker 4: many people, like because again for me, you know, flat Earth,
Speaker 4: what was a just such a huge stepping stone for
Speaker 4: me learning how to read the Bible and to understand
Speaker 4: the whole conspiracy of the lie, how the world is manipulated,
Speaker 4: and how you know they use the television and the
Speaker 4: movies and music and everything else to try to mold you,
Speaker 4: to keep you and God at a distance, right, But
Speaker 4: when you break that, when you break the matrix and
Speaker 4: you tune everything out and you live for yourself, your family,
Speaker 4: your friends, and Jesus Christ. Moreover, you know, for Jesus
Speaker 4: Christ and God. You know that the burden. You know,
Speaker 4: life still has its up and down. Sure right, we
Speaker 4: deal with things, but you don't worry like you used to,
Speaker 4: because you know at the end of this, at the
Speaker 4: end of our lives, that we have an eternity walking
Speaker 4: down the streets of gold with all our family, our
Speaker 4: loved ones who also accepted Christ, and we defeat Satan.
Speaker 4: And someone I wish I could find, I wanted to
Speaker 4: mention this.
Speaker 5: Real quick.
Speaker 4: I can kind of um and off for a second
Speaker 4: as this as I bring up my computer. Somebody posted
Speaker 4: on Twitter the other day that, oh here it is
Speaker 4: somebody put this guy Iraq veteran eight eight eight. He's
Speaker 4: got a very large present on Twitter and he said,
Speaker 4: is the devil winning thirty nine percent? Yes, sixty percent? No,
Speaker 4: sixty five votes? And I simply replied, the devil only
Speaker 4: wins when you let him. And that is the truth.
Speaker 4: If you allow him to win, he can win. It's
Speaker 4: up to you. It's up to us, but he may
Speaker 4: have his small victories, but at the end we win
Speaker 4: the battle period period.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 5: I'll leave you with the last word, my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me on, George. I would
Speaker 1: just say, like, guys, like truly repenting means completely. What
Speaker 1: it says clear as day in the New Testament by
Speaker 1: Jesus themselves is to turn away from this world, being
Speaker 1: like born again. I never took that to something. What
Speaker 1: does that even mean? The people go get baptized and
Speaker 1: go straight back into saying like born again you are
Speaker 1: you are now a spirit, like a new creation in
Speaker 1: God's eyes, Like that's what it's meant to be. You're
Speaker 1: not supposed to be of this world anymore. And I'm
Speaker 1: just so thankful I figured this out and I can
Speaker 1: see it, and I'm so thankful that I was able
Speaker 1: to see the words for Jesus myself and actually get
Speaker 1: into the Bible myself. And I don't need I don't
Speaker 1: need anybody else's interpretation. It's just Jesus talking to me.
Speaker 1: The same way that if you get in the Bible,
Speaker 1: let Jesus talk to you and let him tell you
Speaker 1: the truth. And and you know, if you're having a
Speaker 1: hard time with that, I would say, just completely turn
Speaker 1: away from the world. If that means believing in the
Speaker 1: globe and you think being a flat earther would bring
Speaker 1: you closer to than Jesus, I can guarantee you it
Speaker 1: will do it. You know, you don't even have to
Speaker 1: believe it and just do it then, I literally it
Speaker 1: will work miracles. And if you're listening to secular music
Speaker 1: and still and but you're having a hard time with
Speaker 1: your relationship with Jesus, cut it off. I literally used
Speaker 1: to be the hugest metal head, like insane amount of
Speaker 1: death metal was going into my ears on any given day,
Speaker 1: and my wife slowly worked on me with that. And
Speaker 1: every time I got in her car, it was Christian
Speaker 1: music every time. And I think the Lord for her
Speaker 1: day in and day out, because I know I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be here for one for her either. And now all
Speaker 1: I listen to is beautiful worship music. It's all I need.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with some of the other fun music
Speaker 1: out There's no big deal. It's just like, take in
Speaker 1: the presence of Jesus, focus on him every single day
Speaker 1: and he will change your life. Like this doom and
Speaker 1: gloom that is out here it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: that way, Like you can drive down the road every
Speaker 1: single day being thinking positive, wonderful things, loving Jesus. But
Speaker 1: he's the only way. And I guess i'd say, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here. Thank you, George. It's
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. I was really nervous, as
Speaker 1: you might tell, I don't have a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of flat Earth knowledge yet, guys. I'm working on it,
Speaker 1: but I just really wanted to let you guys know
Speaker 1: what this community has done in terms of leading me
Speaker 1: closer to my relationship with Jesus. So what you guys
Speaker 1: are doing in this community is huge. Keep doing it.
Speaker 1: That's the reason. Yeah, thank you guys.
Speaker 4: Aymen, the energy you brought tonight was second and none
Speaker 4: and the passion you have is refreshing. And I can't
Speaker 4: thank you enough for reaching out and jumping on. I
Speaker 4: know you're going to be busy here in about the
Speaker 4: next week ten days, right, yeah, with your new little one.
Speaker 4: So God bless you and your family and thanks again,
Speaker 4: and you know, feel free to reach out later in
Speaker 4: the year and keep us posted on your family and
Speaker 4: you know, any things that you have done since since
Speaker 4: now your your excitement. Your energy is next level. So again,
Speaker 4: thank you so much for joining us, and to all
Speaker 4: the listeners, thank you all for your continued support and
Speaker 4: your messages, and you know, reach out to me on
Speaker 4: the website on that contact form. Everything is streamlined now,
Speaker 4: these messages aren't falling through. And I've had so many
Speaker 4: just within the last forty eight hours, so many great
Speaker 4: conversations with people. I can't thank you all enough. It's
Speaker 4: a great community that we have built. And may God
Speaker 4: bless you all and keep your head on a swivel.
Speaker 4: And until we meet a friend, until we meet again,
Speaker 4: my friends, we will see.
Speaker 3: I know it's been a strugg I don't know you've
Speaker 3: had spain. I know you feeling tied. Tell down about
Speaker 3: all the way? Yeah, I know you feeling are you smile?
Speaker 7: Ain't the same? I saw a way to go from you.
Speaker 7: I feel like you've lost your way. Don't give it. No,
Speaker 7: don't give in. Never is home. Don't let go the primise.
Speaker 3: It ain't done. Yeah, he's got up, glad. Why it's
Speaker 3: a way, God up? Let me come?
Speaker 2: Why wait God, m.
Speaker 8: I can see the street beside you. Child's are putting
Speaker 8: up five. Oh, you're stronger than a thing. You are, Yeah,
Speaker 8: you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead found.
Speaker 3: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: You're shoving ride.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're living, breathing, moving, You can hold your head
Speaker 3: a pie.
Speaker 2: Don't give up, No, don't give in, nevertheless whole, don't
Speaker 2: let go on the primies. It ain't Donet's god or clay.
Speaker 2: Why a waintail? The God of mabe come, don't give up. No,
Speaker 2: don't give in you never live home. Don't let go
Speaker 2: on the primies. It ain't nif it's worth living? What's
Speaker 2: a waytail?
Speaker 3: The God up? Babe Court? Why sur pray down? Got up?
Speaker 3: Steamy colt? Oh? Yes, what a pray down? The god
Speaker 3: baby colt.
Speaker 2: Oh Yeah, got the steamy colt.
Speaker 9: Oh, don't do no, don't give in, never lose hol
Speaker 9: do let go of the primise I made and done? Yes,
Speaker 9: God a plane, watch God of if it colls and don't.
Speaker 3: Give up No dog giving but never the whole. Don't
Speaker 3: let go of the primes. Get ain't done.
Speaker 6: Lover's worth living? Watch and down the God of every
Speaker 6: cols Oh, the God of needs cos whats down?
Speaker 3: The God of a coach.
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