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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the syndicate Body and Soul or

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should I just say buddy, Hello?

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Speaker 2: Filthy movie Lovers, Something Weirdos and anti criterion brose to

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the twenty fourth episode of The Sin Syndicate, the only

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podcast with its own karate consultant and a personal invitation

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into the vortex of voluptuousness. My name is Gentry Austen,

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writer and researcher, and I'm here with my co host,

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adult film historian Casey Scott. This week we are joined

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again by friend of the pod and paperback freak Alex

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de Santo. He's going to help us get back into

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the swing of things after a two week break, and

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what better way to return than to cover two black

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and white dirty pictures that blur the line between sex

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film and art film. Today we're going to be talking

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about director Joel Landwear's orgiastic hatchet slasher in Hot Blood

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and its avant garde follow up Fluctuations.

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Speaker 3: Violence is her pastime, pain is what they long for,

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pleasure is what they receive, and it's all in Hot Blood,

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a motion picture that goes beyond anything you've ever seen

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in sex.

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Speaker 4: Degradation and Violence.

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Speaker 3: In Hot Blood is a motion picture that is different.

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It is the story of the immoral life and a

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dangerous game, a story that is as raw and ugly

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as murder.

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Speaker 2: But first, let's check in with the Sexploitation News desk.

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We've got a few updates and corrections this week. I

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think we'll start with the HGL kickstarter, which was funded

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with a couple days left to go. It looked like

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I don't think that they reached their stretch goal to

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get the thirty five millimeter prints struck, but they did

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reach the goal to start work on restoring a whole

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bunch of Herschel Gordon Lewis films. Any thoughts, guys, I

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know we've kind of went over this a bit before.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's great, it's very exciting. I think it's

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probably better news for horror fans than it is for

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sexploitation fans, if I'm going to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the UHDS of the Blood trilogy is the big one.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's going to be great. I think my

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concern is though, the restorations of this exploitation, because we

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I mean, we just saw them announce another Blu ray

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from s VHS Transfers and I'll repeat Again, SVHS transfers

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do not belong on Blu ray, so if we're going

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to have svhs of this exploitation, I'm not interested. So yeah,

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I'm hoping that this means we're going to get transfers

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from film of all of this stuff. Please pretty please.

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Speaker 2: I think we are. Yeah, but what it's going to

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look like is still a question, so we'll see what's available. Alex,

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any thoughts, No, I'm burned out from this is good.

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Speaker 4: I'm just really happy that finally this is actually happening

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because two thousand Maniacs is camera negative surface, and that's

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one of my favorite hbls. It was missing for the

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Era release and I've just been like fingers crossed because

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you know, there's something weird. Restoration was done, you know,

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back when Blu rays were always like soft and trying

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to scrub out grain and things like that, so that

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one's in need of a big overhaul. Yeah. Again, we'll

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wait to see about elements and things like that, and

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oddly enough, everyone's gonna be like, what hell you're thinking of?

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The second one I'm the most excited for. It probably

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is actually not even the HGL film. It's stick it

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in your ear which is fascinating, which is such a

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fascinating movie. But yeah, nice, nice, I want to hear

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more about the elements and things like that. Like, just

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I don't know out of how to react yet. Great,

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I just don't know what to think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 5: I know, well, because I was going back over my

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Something Weird supplement that has there, you know, the supplements,

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It was just them reminding people they had these catalogs

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or collections. So there's like an HG LT Lewis supplement,

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a Twisted Sex supplement, a new DQT supplement. So I

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was looking for the Herschel Gordon Lewis one and it

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lists all of the sources that they use on this stuff,

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and so they had negatives to a lot of this stuff.

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are we going to have to deal with thirty five

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millimeter prints which is less than ideal, Like are the

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negatives that Something Weird had access to still available to

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do these restorations? And that is a big turn of

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mine because if they're not, then I'm gonna have to

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hold onto the dvdrs. I guess.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'd hate to say it, who knows because

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some of those HGL films that were saved for Arrow

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were not source from whatever original elements Something Weird had,

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some and things like that. What yeah, where'd you go? NAG?

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Speaker 5: I know I still have my Something Weird snapcase of

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that because I I'm holding on to that because it

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looks it's it's a little bit more complete than the

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Blu ray because you know, there's missing stuff on that

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, maybe both a ristory and also maybe

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include the video version if it's nicer, you know, kind

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of like a Dracula thor Old Man the alternate cut

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and things like that, like just yeah, just gives a glimpse.

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Speaker 2: And Tserama they did that with too, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, that's a idea, Yes, And that pussy they did

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that too with two because they found a longer version,

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but the longer version was still saying footage from the

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last transfer, So there's two versions of that. So yeah,

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I think as hangs and don't do as long as

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they don't do what they did with the doors Wishman's

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where they just ignored the fact that two of those

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movies were cut and didn't include them as extras. I

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think we'll be.

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Speaker 2: Fine, Yeah, Lawrence Milton Booren, we got some updates, Casey.

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What did we find out about man?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so two people reached out to us. One wants

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to remain nameless. The other Sean Langrick. He was great

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and he is the guy who's in charge with Jane

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Centis as well. I asked, and I didn't mention him

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in the Orgie Castle episode, and he said, yeah, fine,

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you can say I'm in touch with her. It's like, okay, good, Okay.

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So we found out that our our boy Bouren has

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a criminal past, which I won't go into too much

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detail on. I will describe it as domestic abuse. And

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it's very troubling. It's a very troubling article that was

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sent to us by both researchers, and it makes me

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wonder if that experience led him to seek sort of

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a self counseling with this alternative thinking of like the

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use of sound and light and things to kind of

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improve his mind. The article also did mention that he

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served time at a prison camp for his not adhering

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to his draft notice. So he didn't just pay a fine.

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I think a year because he didn't he didn't go

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to go to combat for World War two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And then also the musical from Venus with Love apparently happened.

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only knew there were songs that were done. Apparently the

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book was also done, and the book was finished by

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Bourne and David Reid, who we think is the David

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Reid that was involved with Rat Fink, the James Landis

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movie which is amazing, and Tales of a Salesman. So

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the Tales of a Salesman connection makes sense to connect

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Buren to sexploitation, I think. And so that was kind

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of where we left with with Bourn. I just I

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think it's crazy that it was shown. There was a

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newspaper thing that said, from Venus would Love the first

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Outer Face musical comedy. It was at the Lions Clubhouse

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on Echo Park Avenue, which that building is now for

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sale for a million dollars if you want to buy it,

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but also said amazing story costumes, fourteen song hits. That's

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a lot in spectacular rainbow rama, which of course he had,

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you know, the rainbow his magic light thing that he

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was selling, but also Rainbow Records, which was the record

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company that put out the Psyched by the forty Witch

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theme song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine he had a bunch of those rainbow

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devices just like spread out all over the sure.

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Speaker 5: But then they were left over. Maybe that's why he

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was trying to sell them in that journal from nineteen sixty,

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because this was in nineteen fifty nine, so he had

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these things left in nineteen sixty, like, well, I guess

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I'll try to sell these and tell people that this

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is for their health. I don't know. The more I

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think about it, the more I think he might have

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just been a real huckster, but fascinating guy. Still feely.

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Speaker 4: There's a patent for that damn light. Yeah, that exists.

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Speaker 5: Sur I would love to research that. Actually I never

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did research that. Maybe it's possible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was wondering that too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean kind of a connection back to forty

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which as well is a film called Dingle Dangle, which

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was sent to us from our friend John.

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Speaker 5: Charles, Yes, John who I just realized. I did the

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math in my head. I have known him for more

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than twenty five years, because I've known him since the

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is old school, that's late nineties, early two thousands, like

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the original forums for like movie people to geek out together.

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That I've known him that long. And yeah, he send

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us this copy of Dingle Dangle, which came out on

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it before me? Let's hear your thoughts first, because yeah,

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Speaker 2: It Dingle Dangle. Well, yeah, because originally, you know, if

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dates floating around the internet are like early sixties. What

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mean the music. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know how

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to put it. I mean it's it's a very early

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seventies sexploitation movie with just a bunch of nothing, a

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very loose plot. Of course, the songs are kind of

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the big draw because you actually get to see who

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Speaker 5: And that's my big correction. Yeah, there's not a Well,

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discogs because you know, if you're a mood music person,

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discogs is your place. So apparently around the time that

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and his very pseudonyms, but also discussing how there's one

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Johnny by the Way and there's another Johnny by the Way.

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which I you know, if that's the case, I love

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being wrong if it leads to corrections out there. But yeah, no,

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you and looking at pictures of Joe Bisco, it's very

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clear that he is the guy in this movie with

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a very ugly oily wig playing Johnny by the Way,

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and that means that he's sang the forty Witch song,

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just wrote it as Joe Bisco and then sang it

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as Johnny by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know when I was watching I sent

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and the Mormon podcast here, and I was like, I

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don't know, there one of them's kind of a skinnier guy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We thought we saw some similarities, but I don't think

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wasn't clear because we you know that Joe Bisco. I

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don't even think that Joe Bisco picture was up when

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I was schecking discogs, so I don't even know what

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Joe Bisco looked like. So it was kind of tough

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to put those together. The music is the best part

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of that, but also bamby Allen is great in it

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imported from La Build his Barbara Allison. So I think

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around nineteen seventy one, I think, and shot in San Francisco.

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James E. Myers had co written Rock around the Clock

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and written all these other rock songs as Jimmy Denight,

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and that's the name he used on a lot of

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his exploitation That heart he acted in and also directed

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some hardcore porno. But by the time this came around,

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he had been like the title character and fabulous bastard

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from Chicago. He'd done all this other stuff. So I

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think Joe Bisco is the executive producer of this movie,

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so he financed it. So Myers must have just been

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like listen, Sexpotation movies are where it's out the money.

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on this too, So I think that's why it looks

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better than all the other Bobby Davis stuff, because Bobby

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Davis wrote and directed it. His stuff is usually so

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low rent and gross, and this looks much better than

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like my sister's business, which is really really rough, So

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this is a huge stuff up for him.

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Speaker 2: It's still mostly set in lights, one or two rooms

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of a house.

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Speaker 5: Basically you'd think it was shown in Los Angeles because

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other San Francisco films would take advantage of those locations

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and have a lot more outdoor footage. This doesn't look

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like a bunch of hotel rooms. Yeah, it's just not

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Elizabeth Knowles is in it in a very bad wig

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and she had done She's people would know it from

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like Trader Horney and The Masterpiece and just the two

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of us. And she has a very bad American accent

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in this. Clear Dia and her real life boyfriendly Parsons

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our boyfriend and girlfriend in this.

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Speaker 2: Yes see, I didn't recognize her people in this, but

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I definitely did.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I definitely did. So that was good. Yeah,

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Bambi Allen was like immediate. I was like, oh my god,

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Babby Allen's great. So yeah, she's she's great and her

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implants have settled, so she looks good, I know, heartening

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back to our conversation, you know, but she's good in this.

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I think she and the songs are the best thing

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about this. I think she's just you know, endlessly charming

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as usual and really has a good brings. She elevates

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the production and then she disappears way too quick.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think what stands out to me is the inclusion

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of some black actors in this, and they're getting in

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on the action and it's not you know, done in

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like a stereotypical way. They're just part of the film.

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You know, they're just act right bodies in the film

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and then they do something. There's some interesting sex swing action,

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but yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's just oh that's the only good scene. Yeah, okay,

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like love, I only love that scene. That's about it.

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just like, it's all all it entails folks out there

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because it's not the easiest to find. It's literally just

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the day in the life of suburbanites who are bored. Yeah,

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that's it, folks.

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Speaker 5: Davis. It's like a Don Davis movie.

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Speaker 4: Basically, it's exactly Don Davis, more.

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Speaker 5: Diverse and in San Francisco instead of Los Angeles. Yeah,

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and trying to describe it as like being in the suburbs,

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and it's like, okay, the suburbs, Like it opens with

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them with baby Allen taking a cab in San Francisco,

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it is not the suburbs. And then the guys her

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she's the secretary, and so it's Bunny Brodie who was

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in Green Door in Resurrection of Eve. Yeah, and that

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Ed Sander who's in What Home Brother Charles, which was

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a big surprise to me. I was like, oh wow,

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I didn't think he did anything else. He is a

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talent agent who's married to Elizabeth Knowles Claar Diaz, the

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daughter George McDonald from Green Doors, The Milkman, and it's

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just it's just people randomly having sex. It's very similar

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to like early hardcore, but it is also very San Francisco,

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and then it feels more. It has a lot of

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like long haired hippie chicks, very San Francisco, not like

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La at all. It's not the La girls that are

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trying to be models and movie stars. It's San Francisco

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girls who were like, yes, I'll take my clothes up

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in front of the camera and have sex. I'm doing

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it anyway. So it has that San Francisco look. And

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also San Francisco was much more about interracial you know,

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interracial sex and equality in front of the screen and

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things like that. It's much more diverse than San Francisco,

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so you feel San Francisco, which was the year after this,

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So I think it is. I think seventy one is

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probably the right.

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Speaker 4: That would have to be because Klemiel's first release Slash Product,

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no they didn't produced this was Double in Fidelity, which

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is nineteen seventy. Ah, Okay, it cannot be earlier nineteen seven. Yeah,

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they distributed this one as well.

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Speaker 5: Calemille, Okay, that's right, and then they reassure slighted by

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the forty witch and blood freak. Yeah that's right. I'm

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not I'm remembering the episode now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a few original productions,

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but apparently they mostly picked up other people's already release

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pictures that I think, yeah, yeah, right, but had a

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few original productions or things like that.

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Speaker 5: H Frank Harry who ran in I'm glad that. I'm

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glad John sent it to us so we could, you know,

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check it off. But I would not recommend any kind

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of struggle to see it. I think if you come

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across it, right, I I'm glad that I was able

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to see bmby Allen once again do her thing and

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be great. And it's a nice reminder of how much

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we lost when she died unexpectedly. She's not enough and

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clear Dea so much better, and now their stuff like

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this is very early clear deal, like she got so

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good when she's in like three AM and desires with

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young girls in hardcore, and even what about Jane in

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the year after, She's terrific in that. So it's not

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it's fluff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fifty minutes of near hardcore grinding, folks. That's it.

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That's it. That's it. That is all it is.

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Speaker 5: It feels longer than an hour, yeah, it's yeah, it's

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one of those where it drags.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm always curious with these films though, to see

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like how far they push it for softcore and this

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simulated double penetration even so, it's like, Wow, they're seeing

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how far they can go here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're in San Francisco, so I don't know why

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they didn't go further. It would be a while till

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James E. Myers actually did hardcore, because he directed what

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Rendezvous in Hell I think was his, and I think

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he did Swinging Genie.

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Speaker 4: The campaign even claims that's triple X, but alas awful.

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Speaker 5: Well that's funny because you know who also calls software

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triple x is Rottler. In the contemporary erotic cinema. Thing

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he calls triple X is not hardcore. It just means

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it's the most graphic, not necessarily actual penetration. Triple X

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for hardcore didn't really happen until later, you know, Yeah,

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you're right, three X just means Oh, it's the hottest

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thing on the planet when it absolutely isn't. It was

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just a marketing technique at that point, not an actual rating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Think did you watch it, Alex?

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Speaker 4: I watched it this morning. I skimmed it this morning.

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I skimmed through it. That's I give him a.

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Speaker 5: Cool attention because I knew that I was going to

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get rid of it after I finished, and I had

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to review it for a letterbox, so I was like, Okay,

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I'm noting making note of everything and goodbye.

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Speaker 4: I've always been curious just because I have this really

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like a whack job hack of a press book that

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doesn't have ad mats. But like, that's just.

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Speaker 5: That white photos with purple against a purple background. Yeah,

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you use color photos a.

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Speaker 4: Great little I'm Johnny by the way, I'm so and

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so like those.

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Speaker 5: The music is good, and unfortunately I can't find any

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evidence it was ever released anywhere.

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Speaker 4: Imagine Thiss got like a little promotional something or another.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would love it, it's just not on discogs.

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Speaker 2: Well you might have to scan that for us, Alex,

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because maybe does that cover have any nudity on it?

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Speaker 4: No, no, it goes. I would like to like, no, no,

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it's got a little blob so.

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Speaker 5: A horrible wig in the top.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: This is the one sheet, but the one sheet had

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a lot more white to it. This is a little

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bit more narrow, but I think this is what the

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one sheet looked like.

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Speaker 5: There's a bunch of floating heads.

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Speaker 2: Because you can't even heard that image online any what

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year is this?

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Speaker 5: What year is this? That is not nineteen seventy one

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graphic design?

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Speaker 4: That's really it's it's nothing. Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean Daisy's ain't did that and that was two years ago.

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That was two years before this. I mean, you know,

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so I don't know. I guess it just shows that.

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Speaker 7: I know, it's funny because because because Uhumill's earlier campaign

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ripped off like the my tam b loook instead like

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it's a lot cleaner, yeah, and things like that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what happened. I don't know what what

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what who Frank Harr hired to do the Daggle Dangel

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campaign because he was doing fine with Barco's like stock

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this exploitation design, Hey, I like to think is maybe

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just Bobby Davis going, you know what, I can do this?

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Speaker 5: It looks like I have that.

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Speaker 4: It looks like it looks like Bobby Davis decided too.

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Speaker 5: It looks like Bobby's like, you can do this, I

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did it before, which is crazy. That's probably what happened

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because my sister's business is one of the worst press

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books ever.

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Speaker 4: You have something fun with that? Wow, okay, because the

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one sheets already bad enough too.

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Speaker 5: Oh the press book is terrible and it doesn't even

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try to hide the leading ladies mustache at all. With

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the mustache, yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you saw that image Alex that I tried to

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get uploaded of the rear end. What was that from

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for Daniel's angle? Did you see that image?

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Speaker 5: I think it was actually John's video cover?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, I was wondering this thing is presented.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a They just like, well, see you

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flipped the magazine tore it out. But that's why you.

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Speaker 5: Scan that, because then you can upload that to t

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m dB and then letters can then upload that image.

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Speaker 2: Exactly because they will not put the image.

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Speaker 5: That VHS cover is terrible. I don't know what they

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were thinking with that.

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Speaker 4: That's yeah. I'm trying to think did anyone actually rent that?

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Did any little old man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody who wanted like butt Cake magazine or something

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from Golden Child got this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's marketed like it looks like more of a

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gay film than a straight film.

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Speaker 4: I know. I wonder if there's any images on the

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back of the box, like what kind of stills r

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on the back too to try and promote this? Is

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there anything or not?

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Speaker 5: It looks like a cover for like fun Buns Contest,

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which is a very cheap gay porn that that's something

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weird put out in a bunch of other people because

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it's like dirt cheap. But yeah, it looks like fun

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Buns Contest to me, Well enough.

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Speaker 2: Enough bashing undingled dangle, I know, no.

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Speaker 5: More dingle dangle, dangle dangle, Fuck you me, Davis.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Joel Land where the man, he's got

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to serve vibing films that we can talk about. So

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maybe we start with but only two week and talk

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about Yes, but only two week can talk about Let's

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just talk about the man. Let's start there, Casey, what

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do you think is that a good place?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 5: This I have not been able to sleep for the

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past several days because I've been so bothered by this guy.

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But not no, not even in like a funny way,

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because like so I knew. I found out about Oh God,

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twenty eleven. I think I was researching it, and I

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found that he had died in nineteen eighty one, because

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he was I found it in Social Security death indecks

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that he died in April nineteen eighty one. And it

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wasn't until recently that I found that there was a

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death notice in the New York Times that said that

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he was brutally murdered. I will read that piece. Where

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did that piece go? There? It is so the family

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of the late Joel Land Where this is from the

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May third, nine and eighty one New York Times death notice.

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So the family of the late Joel Land, where adored

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00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:01,839
son of Anne and dear brother of Sheldon rtally murdered

471
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,759
at age thirty nine. Thank his friends for their profound

472
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:09,279
expressions of sympathy. He was quiet, gentle, considerate, did his best,

473
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:11,200
and left the world a better place than he found it.

474
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,440
We shall miss him more than we can say. Sheldon

475
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:18,160
Land where so haunting? Yeah, because I can find nothing

476
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,880
more about this, about this murder, I don't know why

477
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,720
it happened. I don't know where it happened or how

478
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,880
it happened. I don't know if anyone was arrested or convicted.

479
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,799
I don't know if justice was served. I don't know

480
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,000
anything about it. So I reached out to the New

481
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:33,279
York Records Apartment and I have an appointment with them

482
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:36,200
to see them on Thursday next week to look through

483
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,759
the homicide logs of the NYPD in nineteen eighty one

484
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,519
to see if it was documented. But they have advised

485
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:43,279
if he was not murdered in Manhattan, I had to

486
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:45,960
go to all the other boroughs records offices to look

487
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,640
at their homicide logs for a night's in eighty one.

488
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,359
So I am prepared to go the distance for this

489
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,839
because I want to know what happened. Like I'm very

490
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,759
haunted by this, but I'm also I'm also bothered by

491
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,920
it because Sheldon died in twenty eleven. He was a

492
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,920
very successful film and food critic sowed. You can find

493
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,960
reviews of him all over the place New York posts,

494
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,960
different magazines. He had like a radio show in the

495
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,359
sixties and seventies. So he died and he was gay,

496
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:16,519
and he left behind a partner that auctioned off his

497
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:21,079
belongings at an auction house in Florida, but nowhere does

498
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,480
he mention that he was predeceased by a brother and

499
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:27,319
then his mother. When his mother died in nineteen ninety nine,

500
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,319
that obituary does not mention that she was predeceased by

501
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,920
a brother. So the last evidence that Joel Landber even

502
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,640
existed is his death notice. And that really bothers me

503
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,279
because how brutal was this murder and what were the circumstances.

504
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,720
You mentioned a possibility of maybe something involving something criminal potentially,

505
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,519
which is always a possibility. My thought was that it

506
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:54,279
was maybe it was a case of like in an

507
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,480
a mereror brother situation where we had two gay brothers

508
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,680
and one was killed in like a cruising situation. Thing

509
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,759
goes to that just because there's no if there's no

510
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,440
record of it, there's a reason for it, like the

511
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,119
fact that I couldn't find any other anything else. Maybe

512
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,200
this maybe this murder was reported on, but he wasn't

513
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,759
named because the nature of the murder. So yeah, I

514
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:15,519
haven't I haven't really been able to sleep because of

515
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,039
this because it's really bothering me, and the irony is

516
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,640
it's over these two pieces of shit that I'm that

517
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,880
I that I am that I'm obsessed with finding out

518
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,960
what happened to this guy.

519
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:31,039
Speaker 4: Because I was just about to a second.

520
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,039
Speaker 5: I do love in Hot Blood, but it's not a

521
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,880
good movie. But but I'm dying to know, you know,

522
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,960
I and I found a lot of other very instring information.

523
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:44,359
He made a film called A Puritan's Dream, which was

524
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,119
a short film that was distributed in sixty seven sixty

525
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,440
eight all over Actually I mean it toured it. It

526
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:54,839
showed up in all sorts of different underground film screenings

527
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,279
nationwide and then toured with like a package of other films.

528
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,720
And I don't know who the disturbed was because I

529
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,599
can't find that information either. A sixteen millimeter print is

530
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,599
at the filmmaker's co op here in New York and

531
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,279
they it has screened as recently as two thousand and one.

532
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,759
Because I found I found, I found evidence that it

533
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,920
screened as part of a film program. He used the

534
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960
name Leo J. Rudnall on that as well. So I've

535
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,839
emailed the filmmaker's co op to ask them, how can

536
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,880
I screen this? I don't have a six film millimeter

537
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,519
projector can I screen it there and I have to

538
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:29,759
hear back, so I've emailed so many people. I emailed

539
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,160
the auction house where the auction was, because that's the

540
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200
crazy thing. Sheldon's obituary, he doesn't mention his late brother.

541
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960
When I looked at the auction page in twenty eleven

542
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:41,200
or twenty twelve, there was a lot of stuff that

543
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,440
was the script for In Hot Blood, the script for Fluctuations, photos,

544
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,319
press books for this stuff, and then I think it

545
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,640
was either the negative or a print of a third movie,

546
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,400
which might have been Puritan's Dream, or it might have

547
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,039
been a third movie that we don't know about. That

548
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,079
stuff is white from the internet because it was over

549
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,680
a decade ago, so they don't hold that online for

550
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,799
you to look at the auction. So I emailed them

551
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,440
and I want to know the details of that auction.

552
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,799
But it's interesting that he held on to his brother's

553
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,119
stuff for that long and took it with him when

554
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:11,319
he moved to Florida from New York, Like was that

555
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,960
all that was left of his brother was the film stuff,

556
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,400
and so he held on to it. Like it's just

557
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:19,400
it's really crazy to think about, and it just I

558
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,839
think it's a great example of how like even the

559
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,039
most ridiculous, crazy movies in this genre have really interesting

560
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,519
stories behind them related to the people who made them, right,

561
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,319
And it just makes me all think about films that

562
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,480
we don't know who made them, so who knows what

563
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:40,359
that story is? I mean, But the search continues for

564
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,119
the Joel.

565
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 6: Facts.

566
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 5: I'm waiting to hear back from an actress that he

567
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,480
did social things with in New York who was like

568
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:56,720
the daughter of a British diplomat. And I'm waiting to

569
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,519
hear back from the late the partner of the late brother.

570
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,400
Like I've put out my feelers for everybody, and I'm

571
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,400
hoping that, like over the next week, I'll have people

572
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,200
trickling back in to let me know what they know. Yeah,

573
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,359
but yeah, I've been obsessed with the past like four days,

574
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,359
four or five days, and it drives me nuts because

575
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:18,359
I want answers now, but I have to wait basicently.

576
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the partner of the brother. I

577
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,119
feel like there's no reason not to talk if he

578
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,559
has something to say at this point, right, they're both

579
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,240
gone out.

580
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 5: It was I asked him, did Sheldon ever talk about Joel? Like,

581
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,680
do you know? I didn't ask that I didn't ask

582
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,480
about how he was murdered. I asked about, well, I'm

583
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,400
trying to also find what happened between. I described it

584
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,319
as I was looking for information on a film director

585
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,559
and I know his last one was nineteen seventy and

586
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:51,279
then I found out that he was murdered in nineteen

587
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,880
eighty one, So I'd like to know what his life

588
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,440
was like between that time and did Joell ever talk

589
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,039
about him? But because you know, and I've referenced the

590
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,640
notice in the New York Times where obviously it was

591
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,160
something that the family was very hurt by. Yeah, so

592
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,359
we'll see what happens. I mean, it's definitely something you

593
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,880
have to try to lightly with. It's kind of like

594
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,519
reaching out to like family members of deceased filmmakers and

595
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,160
actors and actresses. It's kind of like, listen, I'm not

596
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
trying to like muck Rake or trying to like you know,

597
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,160
I'm just trying to find find I'm just trying to

598
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,160
learn about who who this person was. And it would

599
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,720
be super helpful if one of the last people who

600
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,359
knows he had no other siblings, no other family, no

601
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,920
extended family, and was and had no other family so yeah,

602
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:43,319
I you know, I don't know, and uh, that's where

603
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:47,119
I'm at with Joel. It was way easier researching stand

604
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:48,039
bored and I'll tell you that.

605
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:53,799
Speaker 2: So well, so Apperitzin's Dream, who really.

606
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 5: Don't even that what that is?

607
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

608
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: Did it get distributed? Description any one we know?

609
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 5: Or was it just not a clue? Yeah, not a clue.

610
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,079
There's no, there's nothing. There's no distributor listed in any

611
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,400
of the stuff I could find about Puritan's Dream. You know,

612
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,720
it's kind of like, I think it's similar to like

613
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,960
Vapors the Milligan movie, where it's like you want to

614
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,039
if you see ads for that, you're not necessarily in

615
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,039
the paper. It's a short film, you're not necessarily going

616
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,960
to see who the distributor is. It'll say like underground

617
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,279
Sensation Puritan's Dream, and that's it, Like if it's an

618
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,240
underground film. I think they also want to keep that

619
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,000
air of mystery about it, like, well, who made this?

620
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,079
And that's why he had his fake name on it,

621
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:29,920
Leo Rudnell.

622
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: Well that was used that on all these films, didn't he.

623
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 5: Yes, And I was around so many weird references in

624
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,359
the papers he went to like social gatherings, and he

625
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,200
went to Warhol parties and met with Ultraviolet, and there's

626
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,359
a there's a news piece where they they told each

627
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,000
other what their real names were. So I think you'd ask, like,

628
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,319
how do we know Leo J. Rudenwell is Joel.

629
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Landware besides these It's a matter of.

630
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,119
Speaker 5: Record in the in in in the New York Times

631
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,160
and also was mentioned in the AFI cat log. Yeah,

632
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,680
but yeah, it's it's interesting. It's uh that I found

633
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,119
more under the fake name in my research than I

634
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,279
did under his real name, because I think he was

635
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,640
trying to establish Leo g. Rudnall is some kind of

636
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,000
underground yeah person to pay attention to.

637
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:17,559
Speaker 6: Well.

638
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,079
Speaker 2: The fact that you mentioned him going to Warhol parties,

639
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:23,279
I think is like a key part of understanding Joel

640
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,880
in that these films are best looked at as kind

641
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,319
of underground art films in a way. And I know

642
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,440
I said in my intro like sometimes the line is yeah,

643
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,799
one of them more than the other, but maybe one

644
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:35,079
of them.

645
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe I don't know what you're saying.

646
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: The line between art and sex films, I think is pretty.

647
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,119
Speaker 5: Things with certain filmmakers, that's true.

648
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,599
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Milligan's vapors is a good example, you know,

649
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,000
and he played he played around in uh in warholschool.

650
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,759
He hated Warhol, but he still played around in those

651
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,960
circles as well, right, Alex, Yeah.

652
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: I mean he served for a whole of summer. So, yes,

653
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:02,440
they've interacted.

654
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 6: Yes, Sandy takes out the mesa dream. The girls called

655
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:14,719
ho speedy. We to get the water and revert to

656
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,760
obligingly give Sandy the shot.

657
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: But well, maybe that's a good segue to the stan

658
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,199
Borden who kind of helped get these in theaters. Alex,

659
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,079
I think you could probably tell us more about stan Bordon.

660
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 4: Not in his early years case he was star in

661
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,039
his early years.

662
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 5: That yeah, so I did dig into that because I

663
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,199
was like, where did the hell did Stan Bordon come from? Brooklyn? Boy,

664
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,440
like many of our people, noney of our expectations expotation

665
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,679
people fought in World War Two. Actually was able to

666
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,480
confirm he was awarded three Air Medals for meritis achievement

667
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,719
in the sustained bomber combat operations over Germany and German

668
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,519
occupied countries. So he was in the Air Force and

669
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:00,800
so he did.

670
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: He mean, Barry Mayde, maybe can you imagine it's possible.

671
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,159
Speaker 5: It's possible. I mean, maybe it's possible. I don't know.

672
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,920
It's interesting they never really crossed paths, or maybe they

673
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,360
did and he just didn't want to work with them.

674
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,840
But yeah, once he got back from the war, he

675
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,400
I'm not sure how he got involved with with RKA

676
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,440
Unique Records, but that's kind of the beginning of that's

677
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,079
the earliest I can find of him movie with entertainment.

678
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,519
Speaker 4: There's a really there's a hazy rumor that he was

679
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:32,360
a jukebox jobber earlier on. He had a bit of

680
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,519
a like uh, disadvantage of upbringing. According to Vernon Becker,

681
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,000
he had been a young kind of hood in the

682
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:41,679
late thirties. To support his family, he worked as a

683
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,599
strong arm man and then somehow ended up becoming a

684
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:48,519
jukebox jobber for Hotman there, you know, buying jukeboxes and

685
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,239
like reselling them and things like that. But like you said,

686
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,320
how he got Eddie farther into music, That's the big

687
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,320
mystery right there, is how he went from this small

688
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,800
time local thing into that.

689
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, not able to trace that. But then it's also strange.

690
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:05,880
I'm it's tough to trace how he got from music

691
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,639
after RKO Unique Records went out, well, he was fired

692
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,159
but then they went out of business. But then he oh,

693
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:13,320
he got into the film business. Thor Dick Randall, I

694
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,920
think because Dick Randall was a music guy before he

695
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,239
got into film. So I think one of the first

696
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,800
movies he did was he was executive producer on a

697
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,400
movie called News of All Nations, which was then released

698
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,800
under several different titles, and that was not distributed by him.

699
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,480
It was distributed by another company called Union Film Distributors.

700
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,760
But that's the first evidence I could find him working

701
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,559
on any movie.

702
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, at sixty two, and then around that time he

703
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,679
acquired the British new dye Sun Swept, and that supposedly

704
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,039
did really well for him, so he continued. I think

705
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,960
at first he was going to be he was gained

706
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,559
to kind of more so release in like art films

707
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,199
and you know and foreign product and things like that,

708
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,800
and he did through American like one or two little

709
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,000
things for the most part. But Sun Swept did really

710
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
really well for him. So it seems like that is

711
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,760
what led him to continue going down exploitation Uh in st.

712
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 5: Pickup or did he add yeah, sub subs what?

713
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:13,159
Speaker 1: Uh?

714
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 4: It's lost. As far as I know, it's lost, so

715
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,239
I haven't found a copy of it.

716
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,519
Speaker 5: I don't think they're added footage. I think because like

717
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:21,719
a lot of those British nudies were important, I don't

718
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,519
think they had to add anything. It was just nudity.

719
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've never heard of a British nudity nudy

720
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,920
sorry ever having out of anything like anyone's ever released,

721
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,719
I don't think.

722
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 5: Right, it's not like a low hunger situation or like violated.

723
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,800
It's not like a South American pickup where they had

724
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,639
to add stuff because they weren't.

725
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Because there was stuff going

726
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,280
on over there, like Harrison Marx was doing all sorts

727
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,840
of things and stuff like that. There were a few,

728
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:50,599
like little nudy things going on, just not as big

729
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,920
as what was going on in the US. So that

730
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,599
was the birth of American film distributing pretty much, and

731
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:59,000
then he became a powerhouse in.

732
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: I want.

733
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 4: I want to see like the high tier exploitation world

734
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,599
kind of like like like like the mid slash lower

735
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,199
tier stuff that we all kind of have a soft

736
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,679
spot for, like the five to ten thousand dollars productions

737
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,000
type of films. He wasn't like a canvas or an

738
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:23,480
audubon that you know, like you know, had less titles,

739
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:26,719
but they played for a lot longer in one or

740
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,599
two theaters. He was one of the like one to

741
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:33,000
two weekers who always had a strong succession of product

742
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,199
and he was apparently pretty fair guy to work with.

743
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,039
Like again, he came from music, which was even more

744
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,679
crooked than film, So from all I've heard, he was

745
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:46,119
a pretty good guy to get along with. Everyone who

746
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,559
was around him at the time kept on hinting that

747
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:55,039
he had some mob ties to the Jewish mob, and

748
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,800
his business for the most part was a really smart one,

749
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,679
especially if and to survive as an exploitation filmmaker. He

750
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,320
bought films outright normally no percentage or anything like that,

751
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:10,840
for ten to fifteen thousand dollars three payments, and unlike

752
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,639
most people, you actually got paid, which again is a

753
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:16,679
pretty good living for making these types of movies. Like

754
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,519
Mike Finley made his living off of stick.

755
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, to make money, if he's

756
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,960
going to sell it outright to stand, you know, he

757
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,840
has to make it for like five or ten to

758
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,880
make five grand off of it if he sells it

759
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,039
for fifteen right.

760
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, for about that much, And if you weren't

761
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,559
going into like distributing yourself or something like that. Honestly,

762
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,559
that was probably the smarter thing to do instead of

763
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:42,559
trying to get percentage or something like that. And that's

764
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,119
normally when you got stiffed or something like that, you

765
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,280
were better off shooting a film for three to five

766
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,960
thousand dollars, selling it for around ten, and then rinse

767
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,800
and repeating because then because because then like like there

768
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,199
was not probably not as much of a need to

769
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,800
stiff you. Your film was the just ditributors now they

770
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,440
did not have to deal with you anymore. You were gone,

771
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,920
so pay you off, You're fine. And so yeah, that's

772
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,159
how people like Mike lived. Jack Brafman later started doing

773
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:12,880
that for American Film, then went on to do it

774
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,039
distri picks. Did Casey did letter Kurtman have kind of

775
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,559
a similar deal with distri picks early on?

776
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 5: Yes, Kurt Kurt Films, Yeah.

777
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he kind of did the same thing as

778
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,480
well too, like three thousand and sold them for more outright, Yeah.

779
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 5: And then Chuck Smith same thing. Chuck Smith made movies

780
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,119
and then sold them out right to district Picks two.

781
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:34,760
So yeah, I mean that was kind of the that's why,

782
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,880
Like I know you've asked that on a several previous episodes,

783
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,360
like how well did this movie? Did the directors know?

784
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,159
How well this movie do? Is like, no, they wouldn't

785
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,000
because they sold it, Like they're not going to track

786
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,920
it because they got the money to then pocket and

787
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,280
then pay back anybody who invested in it, and then

788
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,400
that's it, Like they're not going to track it or

789
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,599
follow it because that they're on to the next thing,

790
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,599
which I think is honestly, I think it's smart, especially

791
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,079
if you know that you're not going to get stiffed.

792
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,800
And there's also so I think Stan probably was the

793
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,719
best one. But it's not like there was a lack

794
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,599
of options for distributors in New York, so you know,

795
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,920
but I think Mike got really lucky because we talked

796
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,960
about it where he was at once he was with

797
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,880
what's his space for since Syndicate, and then he was

798
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,199
with some Brenner who was a nightmare, and then he

799
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,880
was with for that I think that was body with

800
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,880
female twos those two, and then it was Satan's Bed

801
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,360
for somebody else and then he stumbled into Borden to

802
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,320
take me naked, and then he stayed there for like

803
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,199
four years.

804
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: Hey, that's why. That's why I found very I find

805
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,360
very fascinating about a company like American Film Distributors is

806
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,920
just wading through their titles. Is they just run the

807
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:47,440
gamut from Michael's more polished mos stuff two things that

808
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:51,039
might have live sound, but we're only photographed with one

809
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:55,400
single light in a room, to weird rdy stuff like

810
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,039
take me naked, or fluctuations or to slop like all

811
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:04,800
when are bad or love captive that are absolutely batshit insane. Yeah,

812
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,840
as well, the American Film catalog is just is like

813
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,960
a great like starter fors like what were you going

814
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,760
to get every single week? Pretty much?

815
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, they also handled They also did regional distribution for

816
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,360
like yes, the Forbidden and for was to California and

817
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,119
then there was something else. There were some other ones

818
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:27,280
that they did to regional distribution too. So that also

819
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,440
makes it a more diverse catalog because then you're dealing

820
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,360
with like films shot in color, are films shot not

821
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,320
outside of New York apartments that aren't that don't don't

822
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,320
look the same his French imports are pretty good too.

823
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,960
I think he had good taste in those two generally.

824
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, one or two. And he did some ballsy stuff

825
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,800
as well, Like some of the content that he let

826
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,440
slide in a few of these movies. I'm like, oh, man,

827
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,840
that must have gone snipped out of some prints.

828
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:56,079
Speaker 5: Probably some of the things like like well, it's even

829
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,320
interesting to like because yeah, you mentioned that, like he's

830
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,480
like lower to mid tiers, not like at Canvas or something.

831
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:03,480
I feel like he started out pretty I think his

832
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:07,039
quality was higher when he started out, and then as

833
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,960
things got sleazy er and grosser in the industry, he

834
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,559
really started wallowing in the gutter. I mean.

835
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,519
Speaker 4: After a time, he had a really good, like kind

836
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:20,880
of system going on there. You know, he had the

837
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,559
same consistent campaigns, see the exact same uniform look. Almost

838
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,679
all his films would first go premiere either that at

839
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:32,039
the Cameo or the Tivoli, so on, so forth. So yeah,

840
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:35,760
the first couple of years are very interesting because at

841
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,719
the very least he cares enough to use a little

842
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,119
bit of like the splashes of red in his campaigns

843
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,400
and things like that. But yeah, they are some of

844
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,199
the grimiest looking little bad boys.

845
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:55,559
Speaker 6: Sensual pleasure is their greatest goal in life. They dance

846
00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:01,000
a dance of desire, desperately seeking gratification they love.

847
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,119
Speaker 4: That's what I mean. Why why I say there, That's

848
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:08,639
why I mean why I say their quality is kind

849
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:12,119
of very fascinating and things like that in terms of like, yeah, no,

850
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:15,599
they weren't about to release, like or produce bigger things

851
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:18,320
like Arouse, which is like twenty or like forty thousand dollars,

852
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,440
but something like the Olga films which only cost a

853
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,400
couple grand each but had really good technicians and people

854
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,320
behind them, so they look more expensive.

855
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 5: Right, But then he had district pick shit like Frustrated

856
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,920
Shari or any of the Leonard Kurtman shit or it's

857
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,880
just like that's lower quality than in the American film catalog.

858
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,360
So like you had there were levels.

859
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as a distributor, not of film, but

860
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,719
I mean like like as a distributor, not the quality

861
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,760
of their products, but like they would weren't like doing

862
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,679
really big runs in the big houses. None of the

863
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:54,960
American product was going to play the pussy Cat, not

864
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,159
even at the Monica for a lot of time, you know,

865
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,000
like it like he he was consistent and made really

866
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,400
good money things like that, but it was not one

867
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,800
of one of the really really big guys.

868
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 5: Right, So interesting. I love his catalog. There aren't that

869
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:10,800
many missing, are there. I feel like there's only like a.

870
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: There's a chunk, there's a there's a chunk still like

871
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,400
everyone's a blue moon. I'm like, oh wait, yeah, the

872
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:20,199
Rodkins missing, some massage parlor is missing, and a few

873
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,159
of one or two things have shown up. But I

874
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,559
was at least two thirds of it exist in any way,

875
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,599
in some way, shape or form. They were. Yeah, the

876
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:34,199
catalog was kind of fragmented, like they weren't all found

877
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,800
in one place, right like, because some had even been

878
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,360
like a bunch of them were abandoned at movie Lab.

879
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,679
Some had actually a chunk of that Mike found they

880
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,800
had been sold to Harry Ferris over in California. Harry

881
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,920
Ferris ended up with a chunk of the catalog, things

882
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,519
like Take Me Naked and White Slaves of Giantown. So

883
00:45:57,519 --> 00:45:59,239
some of these actually showed up all the way over

884
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,239
in California. You know where the final third ended up. Yeah,

885
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,000
it's a mystery because yeah, we also don't I don't

886
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,280
think we have sound swept eves On Skis.

887
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:11,079
Speaker 5: I don't think so On Skis exists, but oh it

888
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,760
does not on film? Yeah it's available, you can see it.

889
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 4: Oh crap, Okay, okay, because.

890
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,639
Speaker 5: I think actually it's because that was an import, so

891
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:23,000
anything import I I don't assume that that would ever

892
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,199
be here. I feel I feel like they would maybe

893
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,199
have a dupe negative here. I don't know if he

894
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,079
ever bought those in perpetuity either, because I think those

895
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,079
I think eves On Skis came out as a DVD

896
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:35,920
extra for something in the UK. Okay, a distributor has it.

897
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 4: It also because you were because you were there back

898
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,280
when these were first being found. So some other films

899
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,440
also took a while to surface as well too, right

900
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:43,480
like the Christopher Flesh.

901
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,079
Speaker 5: Ever Flesh took forever, yes, because so I don't know.

902
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 4: I'm not sure where that showed up, So like two

903
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,599
or three spots, these these films have been kind of

904
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:52,840
spread out unfortunately.

905
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, well there was definitely that, But then it was

906
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,320
also like they were going through and transferring stuff constantly,

907
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,639
so they were kind of discovering stuff that either wasn't

908
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,400
labeled or was incorrectly labeled. Or you know, because there

909
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,599
was a massive amount of stuff. I think, yeah, I

910
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:15,280
think that was the Yeah, so I think it's well, yeah,

911
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,079
it's kind of like with the Brenner stuff, where like

912
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,599
the imports, I think go back to the go back

913
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,519
to the well and those like go back to the

914
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,599
source country for those. But like something that's like case

915
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:28,559
of the Stripping Wives was distributed here by American Film.

916
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,679
I even I think it was handled by Inner Film

917
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,000
in Florida, but I think it was. I think it

918
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:36,079
was them everywhere else, American Film distributing, and that's like

919
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,920
not anywhere. All we have is that Simon Reel, I think,

920
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:40,559
and that's it.

921
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, also sued. Yeah. So mostly mostly we're pretty lucky.

922
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:50,519
We're pretty lucky with this catalog on like Chancellor chance

923
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,599
or something.

924
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,039
Speaker 5: Else, yes, or Shelley him.

925
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: You could watch like the standboard in catalog and get

926
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,440
a pretty good picture of like the changes and the

927
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,199
sex Bloki film industry.

928
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, and they're pretty and they're pretty consistent too.

929
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,760
There aren't that many like outright dogs in that catalog.

930
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: I mean, there's the Jack Braverman stuff is, but.

931
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 4: Even those are like fascinating at least at least one

932
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,440
or two of them are really interesting, but that's bottom

933
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:18,880
of the barrel.

934
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,119
Speaker 5: But even stuff like Jennifer and Una, which were Jennifer

935
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,960
is good and I like Marina Una is imported from

936
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:30,599
San Francisco. UNA's good. So yeah, I think it's very

937
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,760
I think it's a very consistent catalog. I mean, whether

938
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,440
he had any kind of taste or not, or he

939
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:38,159
just bought based on how we could market it, I

940
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:40,519
think it's I think it's pretty consistent. There aren't that

941
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:42,960
many movies that I would say, don't watch this in

942
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,199
their catalog. Plutuations is one of those.

943
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:50,639
Speaker 2: So they're done at nineteen seven. There's nothing after that.

944
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 4: Right, well, I can find well kind of yes, because

945
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:58,400
well not well, not for a hot minute, but later on,

946
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:04,880
when Stan was investing in Mike's three D lens, right

947
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,159
like one thing to see, there's a really weird period

948
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:11,679
in nineteen seventy six where a the lens was taking

949
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:15,159
a long time to be developed. So Stan produced Funk

950
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:18,199
three D utilizing some of the test footage from the lens.

951
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:20,280
But also just like he was a little bit concerned

952
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,840
enough to where his money was going, so he's like,

953
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,559
let's do something with this lens, so they shot Funk

954
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,840
three D. He released that the ads I've seen say

955
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,199
American film that's nineteen seventy six. And then one of

956
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,599
his biggest releases, which tragically for him, absolutely tanked after

957
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:43,199
the first week, was Bloodsucking Freaks as the Incredible Torture Show,

958
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:50,199
which got which Stan gave a very big release to

959
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,719
that multi multi run.

960
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: Well the types remember casey of your friend Adrian. He

961
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,400
was going to see our.

962
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:05,039
Speaker 5: Friends tapes with with our least favorite person Bills.

963
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: On the phone with Bill Landis, and Bill Landis was

964
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,400
going to see Bloodsucking Freaks under that title under the

965
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,119
and the way Landis was talking about it was like

966
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,440
this is a big production. It was like a big party.

967
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 5: And it was a reissue that was that debt Debt

968
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:22,880
recording from eighty one or eight.

969
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, so that was like the real issue

970
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:25,400
of it.

971
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 4: After Yeah, that would have to be that.

972
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: It sounds like they were still making like a big

973
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,880
show of it. You know, this is kind of like

974
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,719
a midnight show.

975
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 5: I think Trauma had it at that point.

976
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,639
Speaker 4: Trauma had it at that point. It it should have

977
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,239
been it should not have been as big of a

978
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,920
release as it was someone convinced Stan to do like

979
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,239
a big multi run like multiple multiple day and dates,

980
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:51,840
which this it probably just should have stayed at like

981
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,800
one theater. For the most part, it did great the

982
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,480
first week. It did fantastic business the first week, and

983
00:50:56,519 --> 00:51:00,039
in the second week it immediately died it completely. He

984
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,400
just passed. Yeah, just absolutely ended things and that was

985
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,440
he had to stand bored it. Apparently he wasn't doing

986
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,039
the best health wise either as well up into the

987
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,960
seventies and things like that either, like the wind was

988
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,559
starting to get out of a sales a little bit.

989
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,239
He was always a little bit unhealthy, Like he just

990
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,719
always kind of was at the end of the day.

991
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,599
Smoked a lot. Everyone always comments that he always had

992
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:24,400
cigar ash on him whenever they met him, Like he

993
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:26,920
drooled a little bit and had cigar ash on him

994
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,360
at all times. But he was lovely.

995
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 5: I can't think I always think of Lorraine with Stan,

996
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,360
which is not the case, because I mean, that was

997
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,199
something interesting because I was reason in Lorrain because I

998
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:38,840
was trying to see if she's still around, and she's not.

999
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,199
She died in twenty eighteen, but she was someone who

1000
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,320
she became super successful, I think more successful than Stan

1001
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,840
ever once I mean she I found a really good

1002
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,199
article in the New York Daily News in the Business

1003
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:53,880
section where they had this whole focus on her with

1004
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,320
the photo of her and everything in her office of

1005
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Great Scott Advertising, which was named after her son, and

1006
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,760
of her background in film, no mention of Stan whatsoever.

1007
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,639
It really was just about how she basically built herself up.

1008
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:08,679
And apparently Stan worked at her office, but I don't

1009
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:11,639
know in what role. That's not mentioned in that article.

1010
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:14,960
And I think she was actually really heavily involved with

1011
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,480
that three D process in terms of financing and trying

1012
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,199
to work figure out how to market it and get

1013
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:23,440
other financiers involved, because went in there. I've had an

1014
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,159
article where it was reporting on Findley's death and Lorraine

1015
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:32,000
is quoted because she said, yeah, my company was investing

1016
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,559
in his three D process and he was a technical

1017
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,719
genius like she. You know, she had nothing but good

1018
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,079
stuff to say about Mike in that interview. But I

1019
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:43,000
think she's also I don't know about Lorraine because she

1020
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:48,480
had a long term business relationship with Donald Trump. She

1021
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:52,320
was most of her marketing and everything in advertising was

1022
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,960
involved with real estate in New York and so she

1023
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,360
got a shit ton of money from all these real

1024
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,719
estate people and Donald Trump was one of those. So

1025
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,320
Trump Tower. She was very involved with Trump Tower from

1026
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,559
the very beginning. She was involved with Trump starting in

1027
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,840
like the early eighties, late seventies, early eighties, the infancy

1028
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,119
of Trump, and she kept her relationship going with him

1029
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:15,679
until the agency closed and she retired. So don't love that.

1030
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,079
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like you can't be in real

1031
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,079
estate in New York and not run into Trump at

1032
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:23,000
that time, you know.

1033
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 5: I mean, running into Trump is different than actively like

1034
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:30,199
promoting him and contributing to his image and making him

1035
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:33,199
popular in New York and helping him make money and

1036
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:36,480
that kind of thing. So I mean she was, Yeah,

1037
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,559
she was kind of I consider her like a henchman essentially, because.

1038
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,639
Speaker 4: She all heard is that she was a very tough,

1039
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,400
take it or leave a kind of woman.

1040
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that.

1041
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,039
Speaker 4: In question all I really got from her, Although apparently

1042
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:51,079
she did do some film campaign stuff too, because Lloyd

1043
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:51,760
Coffin once.

1044
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 5: Horrors for Warner Oh, yes, which is crazy. I'm just like,

1045
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,119
what do you mean to do to a little of Horrors?

1046
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:02,159
It's mentioned in that article. Really Okay, good for her,

1047
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,599
but their son is alive. It was Scott Borden, and

1048
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,800
I'm like, should should I reach out to see if

1049
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,840
he wants to talk about his parents? I have no idea.

1050
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,760
I also don't know if Stan is his father, because

1051
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,000
he was born nineteen seventy.

1052
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: They married, got marriedly one yeah.

1053
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,199
Speaker 5: So I don't know if she had him before they

1054
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,719
got married and it's Stan's son, or if that was

1055
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,760
his son from another relationship and they met a year later.

1056
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,079
I really I don't know the nature of that relationship

1057
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,440
and the development of it. I'd love to know. Maybe

1058
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,320
Scott knows.

1059
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:35,199
Speaker 4: Did you actually talk Did you actually actually ever talk

1060
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,280
to her because you had her number?

1061
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:36,559
Speaker 8: Right?

1062
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,519
Speaker 5: No, I don't know. I never called her because everyone

1063
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,159
you know why, because of fucking Bill Landis where Bill

1064
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,599
Lindas says that everyone's a nightmare. It turns out they're

1065
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:46,679
not a nightmare. They're only a nightmare because he was

1066
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:49,079
a nightmare and he scared the shit out of people

1067
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:51,960
and bothered people over the phone, sort of like if oh, yeah,

1068
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:56,519
everyone was terrified of Broberta for years because he harassed

1069
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:58,599
her so hard. She still to this day does not

1070
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,960
answer her home phone number. It's you know, so Bill

1071
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,480
and has developed the developed reputations around people like, oh, yeah,

1072
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,920
I don't talk to them. They're really a pain in

1073
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,840
the ass. And then it turns out, no, they weren't.

1074
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,760
They just you were the pain in the ass, and

1075
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,880
they they thought every researcher was like you. So you know,

1076
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,159
it's an uphill battle when you have people like that

1077
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:23,559
who are representing researchers and pulling ship like that. So

1078
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:26,360
I never got to talk to her. Apparently another researcher has,

1079
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,599
but I don't know if that's accurate or not. I'll

1080
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:29,119
leave it at that.

1081
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:33,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see Stan in Olga's Girls.

1082
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:35,559
Speaker 4: And George Weis.

1083
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I will say not in gotta say, I

1084
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,119
mean not attractive.

1085
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: Well, he's not an actor, so you don't need to

1086
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,599
just I don't care.

1087
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,639
Speaker 5: They're hot men in this business, Sandy Johnson, they are

1088
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:54,840
hot men in this business.

1089
00:55:55,159 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's not Sandy Awakening and a drug stupa can

1090
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:05,280
think only of revenge and retaliation. Violence is imprinted on

1091
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,480
her brain and ticks away like a time bomb.

1092
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: So you know, thinking about stans like catalog here, where

1093
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,000
does Joel fit to me? He's like an outlier in

1094
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,679
that he seems like an artsy guy.

1095
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,679
Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think Borden financed the stuff.

1096
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,280
I think it was all self fins and he bought

1097
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,280
it out right. I don't think Borden was a financier

1098
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:32,800
for any of them.

1099
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: You don't think they had an agreement before he was

1100
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,599
a distributor.

1101
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. Well, so what else would

1102
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,079
you really do? Because after you're making experimental film, experimental

1103
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:45,719
film doesn't make money. What's the closest cheap genre that

1104
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,320
you can do, yeah, to try and make something? So yeah, yeah,

1105
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,320
so who knows, Like he could have he could have

1106
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,159
just been like looking through distributors, could have done what

1107
00:56:57,159 --> 00:56:59,360
what Finley did and just look at the one sheets

1108
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,239
of distributors that were like the reason we love it.

1109
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:06,840
There a few catalogs, like like one of the things

1110
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,800
I had that listed American film distributors, like that was

1111
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,719
just like a catalog of all sorts of different distributors

1112
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,119
and like it says, they're like we handle like normally

1113
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:18,159
exploitation type stuff and things. So there were like a

1114
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:20,960
few resources around at the time.

1115
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 5: Right, Well, and then that's just and that's kind of

1116
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,639
what I'd like to know who distributed Puritan's Dream, because

1117
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:28,559
I can't find any evidence who distributed it. But the

1118
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:30,679
fact is, I mean, he got his foot in the

1119
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:33,079
door with that short film, so it's possible he used

1120
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:34,719
that as like a calling card and was like, well,

1121
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,679
I got I had this movie, I did it in

1122
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:39,000
theaters made, so why don't you take a chance on

1123
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,239
purchasing this movie from me, regardless of whether it's good

1124
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,719
or not. I think that was the situation, and then

1125
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:46,320
he was fair, and then he went back to him

1126
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,599
with fluctuations a year later, and then something happening to

1127
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:52,679
make any others to the best of our knowledge, But yeah,

1128
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,639
I don't think Borden didn't finance these I don't. Yeah,

1129
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,039
that's that's the case for most of these of these

1130
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,440
distributors that were talking about, like distri picks, very rarely

1131
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,000
financed those movies. A lot of them were just brought

1132
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:08,280
to them by enterprising filmmakers that had put money into

1133
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,679
their own money or investors money into this project and

1134
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:12,400
they wanted to sell it so they get the money

1135
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,800
back to get for the investors and make a profit

1136
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,559
for themselves. The America Brothers were like that, Yeah, that

1137
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:19,920
was kind of the case. Like you, you took a

1138
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:22,960
chance making these movies independently. You had to hope you

1139
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,840
would find a distributor or give you a good deal.

1140
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,840
Distributor is very different from from production and producers that existed,

1141
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,679
but not not as frequently as one would think.

1142
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so In Hot Blood was the first to be released.

1143
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,079
Where do we begin with in Hot Blood? Well, let's

1144
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,480
look at the release history quick. So tell me more

1145
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,800
about these Frank Ken latter sexy shockers, like how much

1146
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,239
he was involved. I don't think we've ever talked about

1147
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,239
this about them.

1148
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember because I interviewed him about this

1149
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,400
for a paper I did at n YU, specifically about

1150
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,920
something weird, and that was I got to interview Mike

1151
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,280
and that was great before he passed away. I think

1152
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,159
Frank trying to think, I don't remember how Frank got

1153
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:09,920
into something weird fold.

1154
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: Oh, Frank got something weird fold because he was at

1155
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,039
first a buyer like he was at first one like

1156
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:18,960
look at for he came across the ads sexy Shockers

1157
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,079
happened because that was just Mike. Frank did not. Frank

1158
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,840
has been quote saying I don't think we sold a

1159
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,559
single one based on my name. Mike just wanted to

1160
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:28,000
do it.

1161
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: He wanted to put his name.

1162
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 5: But I think he's I think he's.

1163
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 4: Being I mean, I don't know, I don't know, but

1164
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:33,920
that's I think.

1165
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 5: He's being humble because I think as he was, he's

1166
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,840
known for like basket case brain damage, Franken Hooker, like,

1167
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:46,599
I think he's known for mixing weird nudity and sex

1168
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:50,119
with violence, and so I think that kind of gives

1169
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:51,800
you an idea of what to expect from the Sexy

1170
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,199
Chocker series. They're gonna be sexy movies with like violence

1171
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,159
or horror elements in them. And he wrote the liner

1172
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,079
notes for all of them. Would was great, and his

1173
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:04,440
line notes are always great because he wasn't gonna like,

1174
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,440
he wasn't going to try to sell you some movie

1175
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,840
is some great lost work of art. He was going

1176
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,079
to tell you it was a piece of shit, but

1177
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:11,559
he was also going to tell you it was crazy

1178
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:13,960
enough to get your attention. Like in Hot Blood is

1179
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,880
a good example, he wasn't going to try to tell

1180
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,079
you it was some lost horror sex gem. It's just like,

1181
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:22,199
what the fuck is this? Like, you know, I can't

1182
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:24,280
believe people would go see this movie expecting to see

1183
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,519
naked ladies and they see this, you know. But also

1184
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:31,519
Frank had a background of going to see these movies.

1185
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:34,320
So yeah, like you said, Alex, like he's buying these

1186
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,000
movies because he saw a lot of them when they

1187
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,880
were in theaters. So he's kind of the perfect person

1188
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,599
you want on board. He was kind of like a

1189
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:44,519
Joe Bob Briggs who was actually a filmmaker, and he

1190
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:46,679
had more of a pedigree in actually going to see

1191
01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:50,000
than specifically the New York films when they were showing

1192
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,920
at these flee pits on forty second Street. He's like

1193
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:56,719
a genuine forty second Street pete without.

1194
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,559
Speaker 4: He's one of the few that has seen things that

1195
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:02,960
we can't see, right Prower girls hous Vampire's less like.

1196
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,360
He's one of the very few survivors that yep, and.

1197
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: He has a good memory about it from heard him

1198
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,400
when I hear.

1199
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,679
Speaker 5: Him talking about yeah, yeah, he does. Yeah, all right.

1200
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: So it was a Sexy Shocker number of Volume forty

1201
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:21,079
three and then later reissued on the Image DVD Triple Feature,

1202
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:25,719
paired with Ultimate Degenerate and The Lusty Hours Too.

1203
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 4: Far Superior Films, fantastic release.

1204
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,559
Speaker 2: I think I think.

1205
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 5: Okay, Lusting Hours is weaker than in Hot Blood.

1206
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,679
Speaker 4: But okay, okay, mister, you've really changed since your DVD

1207
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,000
driving days. My good man, Like, oh my goodness, I

1208
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:43,639
have I originally bought this release, right, okay?

1209
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 5: Oh, I think all of them are great, And actually

1210
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,159
that's my DVD. I can't find it, so now I

1211
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:50,480
have to pay what seventy five bucks to replace it,

1212
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:56,000
buy some use copy for some exorbitant amount. Yeah, yeah,

1213
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:57,559
I think I didn't. I think I raved about it

1214
01:01:57,559 --> 01:01:59,800
on my DVD driving with you Build Blood.

1215
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: I did not know you did. I remember going to

1216
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,559
go going to the video store to pick this DVD up,

1217
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:08,119
going I ultimate degenerate and lustian. I was, are apparently great?

1218
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,760
The Hot Blood's going to be a bad time anyone

1219
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,320
right back with fluctuations. Oh the guy who put out

1220
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,679
that awful Hot Blood is back with fluctuay shots. Oh really?

1221
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 9: Yes?

1222
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:21,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were a bit brutal with that one. Yeah.

1223
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,480
So when you started changing later on, I was like,

1224
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,079
oh crazy, are you okay? Like, what's going on?

1225
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: When was that written? Because we know in twenty fifteen,

1226
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,599
like we know in twenty fifteen, Casey posted into Something

1227
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:36,000
Weird group saying you should go see In Hot Blood

1228
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:36,920
It's great.

1229
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:38,639
Speaker 4: And I remember reading that and going is he okay?

1230
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:43,159
Speaker 5: So something changed in between driving I'm way back in

1231
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,199
machine my review. Let me see. Hold on, what the

1232
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:48,360
fuck did I really do this?

1233
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 4: Maybe not remember, but yeah, I remember fully here.

1234
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 5: This is a quote I wrote. Anyone who says In

1235
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,639
Hot Blood is a piece of shit is one hundred

1236
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:58,639
percent right. But it's the best piece of shit you'll

1237
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:04,960
ever see. To sheer bad movie genius. Something really deserves

1238
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,760
a shiny, nice metal for unearthing this baby. I don't

1239
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,480
know how much longer I could have survived without this

1240
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:14,159
hitting DVD. It says In Blood it is possibly the wildest,

1241
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:16,159
non findly roughy to come out of New York City.

1242
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:20,079
And I can say that without reservation. In barely sixty minutes.

1243
01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:23,320
There's enough so nimbalistic acting, tame sex, goofy pot developments,

1244
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,920
and bear titties to please a horny grindhouse on. It's

1245
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:32,320
not to mention the completely unexpected violent climax. I don't

1246
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,880
know hours.

1247
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,039
Speaker 4: Actually, I was too excited about Ultimate Degenerator.

1248
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:40,639
Speaker 5: Yeah No, that was Yeah, that's my favorite Findlay movie

1249
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:42,760
is Ultimate Degenerate. Yeah, so oh.

1250
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:44,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, hands down.

1251
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:51,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, at midnight in some flaming town when Spring trips

1252
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:55,880
north again this year and I to my pledge toward him, true,

1253
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,559
I shall not fail that rendezvous.

1254
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 5: But I don't know where we start with this, because

1255
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,719
it's like, it is very take me naked, and then

1256
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,840
opens with a poem. It's like, oh, art.

1257
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:12,239
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah. It opens as if it might be something

1258
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:17,039
with like the credits burning up on piece of paper.

1259
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,039
Speaker 5: And we love credits written on a naked body. Always

1260
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:21,559
love that.

1261
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that poem. It's like old World War One poets.

1262
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:29,199
I have a rendezvous with death, and I don't think

1263
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:31,119
it really. I don't know if it really. I guess

1264
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:35,760
it sets up Doris's fall from grace. She's, you know,

1265
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,679
she's doomed from the beginning. I guess that's the idea, right.

1266
01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:41,559
Speaker 4: I've heard that poem so many times. I swear he

1267
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:43,719
just walked into a bookstore, picked up the first book

1268
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,800
and was just like, okay, yeah.

1269
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,119
Speaker 5: Probably the bookstore where he found a book written by

1270
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:50,400
a Doris Poro.

1271
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 4: Which fascinating, very obscure dirty books. I was about saying,

1272
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,880
that's a fascinating bookstore because those publications up there are

1273
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,519
super obscure. Well even for dirty.

1274
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,039
Speaker 5: I'm not sick in nineteen sixty eight, so.

1275
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:09,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know those ones with the Statue of Liberty,

1276
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:12,840
those are very obscure. So this was an interesting book store.

1277
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,239
I've had both of those, I don't know, maybe not

1278
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:15,880
in New York.

1279
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,199
Speaker 2: So what we're talking about is the lead in this movie,

1280
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:24,360
Doris Peril. There are some books credited to someone with

1281
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,519
that same name. We're not sure if it's her. I

1282
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:29,320
don't think it's her.

1283
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,599
Speaker 4: With how enthusiastic unenthusiastic she is, I don't think the

1284
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:36,320
typewriter And really I want to say it, but yeah,

1285
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,679
you heard to Yeah, everyone, just go watch the banana

1286
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,719
scene and you'll agree with me. Oh my god, Like

1287
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,639
Stacy Walker, where are you?

1288
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:49,599
Speaker 10: I know?

1289
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 5: Which? Should we do the plot summary before we even

1290
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:53,079
go further?

1291
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 4: Okay?

1292
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,199
Speaker 5: Like would you do the liner notes?

1293
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. Do I want to read that

1294
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,679
that huge paragraph?

1295
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,159
Speaker 3: A one.

1296
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 6: Thro all right?

1297
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:09,119
Speaker 5: Okay? Okay, so uh something written by Frank kind laughter

1298
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,760
of Rita. An ordinary girl with an extraordinary body decides

1299
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,360
to put that body to work by becoming a nude model.

1300
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,320
This somehow immediately leads to the kind of orgies where

1301
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,719
guys are tied up with electrical cords and stepped on

1302
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,719
with high heels, while Rita sits on the side foolishly

1303
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,000
blowing a banana. But things get really insane when Sandy,

1304
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:29,920
a black model, shoots up Methodrome and starts a fight

1305
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,239
with Rita and another gal of Roberta, who has a

1306
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:38,159
deformed thumb never noticed that. Unfortunately Sandy I didn't either. Yeah. Unfortunately,

1307
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:40,719
Sandy gets so belligerent that Rita and Roberta are forced

1308
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,039
to bang her head repeatedly on the floor until she

1309
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,000
passes out. Then they fleet to Roberta's apartment, where they

1310
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:48,159
can sole each other by rubbing ice on their nipples

1311
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,639
and beating each other's butt with a leather belt. All

1312
01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:53,519
too soon, however, Sandy awakes, takes a meat cleaver out

1313
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:56,559
of her dainty little handbag and stages an old fashioned

1314
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,800
massacre that leaves our three lovely heroines hacked up, bloody,

1315
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,079
and dead on Roberta's couch the end. Imagine yourself back

1316
01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:05,400
in nineteen sixty eight, hoping to pass an hour ogling

1317
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:08,800
naked girls, and stumbling into a theater showing this.

1318
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 4: Let me just add folks that this little lady's purse

1319
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,440
I would kill for what's in my bag video from her,

1320
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,599
because there is a full meat cleaver. There is mess

1321
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,960
in all the works in it as well too.

1322
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:26,599
Speaker 5: She has all of her junk and the Yeah it's

1323
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:27,440
it's crazy and.

1324
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 4: She's but not a gun. She's tough.

1325
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 5: She will come after the film. Actually, yeah, it's very confused.

1326
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,159
Speaker 2: And she can't keep a straight face in the finale

1327
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:42,199
when she's supposed to be like murderous no, which.

1328
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 5: Is you know, that's kind of why I love this,

1329
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,239
because it's just nobody is taking this seriously at all.

1330
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:52,639
Like it's just you know, I think Joe Ellen's the

1331
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:56,360
only one who's doing it. Oh yeah, yeah, I think

1332
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,960
Joe Ellen's the only one. I think she was a

1333
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,360
professional model, so like, I think she's the only one

1334
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,400
who kind of is like, this is a real job.

1335
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,880
I've done movies before. And then she shows up with

1336
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,079
these half assed amateurs.

1337
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 4: She's the one with a short cut, right, she was

1338
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,760
one of the short Yeah, she's.

1339
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,559
Speaker 5: Like Felicia and girl from Pussycat and yeah, she's fantastic.

1340
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,239
I love her, but she disappears pretty quickly.

1341
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: She's just in that modeling scene, right.

1342
01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:23,399
Speaker 5: She's in that, and then the orgy sequence in.

1343
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 4: The orgy okay, unfortunately, because I don't recognize anyone. I

1344
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,000
wonder where he got some of these other people from

1345
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,560
his weird underground connections or something like, I don't recognize

1346
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,319
that's blonde.

1347
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:36,279
Speaker 5: I definitely the blonde is around because I I checked

1348
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,840
her resume and I was like, is this accurate? And

1349
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,000
I confirm that it is.

1350
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:41,520
Speaker 4: The Patty McNair look alike.

1351
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:48,359
Speaker 5: Uh no, that yeah, she's great. I don't know who

1352
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,520
she was, but no, it's Roberta Ruth Cologne. I'm gonna

1353
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,720
say cologne. I think it sounds better than Colon. But

1354
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:01,479
she's the she's the blonde. She has a striptea sequence

1355
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,560
in Love Is Where It's At, which is Joe Ellen

1356
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,000
is in that, and she has the credits painted on

1357
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,039
her body at the beginning, and then she's in a

1358
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:11,039
short called My Cup running over with Judson Todd and

1359
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:14,039
Yolanda Senior Elly, who's also in Love Is Where It's At.

1360
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,279
Speaker 4: Very similar soundtracks as well with Love Is Where It's

1361
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,359
At in this one too, very Valentino that one.

1362
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 5: Yes, and Love is where It's at Philip Philip Baker

1363
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:27,920
Hall screen debut R I P yeah, yeah, playing Phil

1364
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,359
Vaine private detective. Have you seen that? Gentry? Love is

1365
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:34,760
where it's at? Oh, it's good, It's it's pretty good.

1366
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:35,439
I enjoy it.

1367
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, it's fun.

1368
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,199
Speaker 5: Larry Larry Hunter is like a killer, like you know,

1369
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:46,479
it's it's fun. It's like a grizzle. It's a film

1370
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,479
noir private detective story. It's fun.

1371
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,159
Speaker 4: I love Jackie. That's about it. Not gonna lie and

1372
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:53,840
the and the credits and the credit.

1373
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,520
Speaker 5: Joe Ellen is good in it. Yolanda Seniorrell is good

1374
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,279
in it, like I don't know. It has a fun cast. Yeah,

1375
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:00,760
I mean a person.

1376
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,319
Speaker 4: M I'm not as much of a goal on a

1377
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:04,720
person just with Oh.

1378
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I love her.

1379
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 2: Four stars from Casey for Love is where It's at.

1380
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 5: It was four and a half. I changed it, okay,

1381
01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:15,800
but yeah, no, I think it's.

1382
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,119
Speaker 2: Some and a typical.

1383
01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:18,520
Speaker 6: Just now.

1384
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 4: I don't write most things. I know that's right next

1385
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,359
to nothing. What do you mean you have to ask?

1386
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,039
You want to know.

1387
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,039
Speaker 5: I love the opening of this because you have the

1388
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:31,840
poem and then you have her like walking down the

1389
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,920
street petting a cat, which is I guess character development,

1390
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:39,439
and she goes a scary stairway to her modeling session

1391
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,960
where this is my fa My favorite sequence on the

1392
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,119
whole movie is the modeling session because it's God has

1393
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:50,960
great music from Valentino Major, and basically you know that

1394
01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:53,800
Joel was directing off camera and so he was the camera.

1395
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,680
The camera tilts, the models changed pose tilts again, models

1396
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,880
change pose tilts again. But you know these women are

1397
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,239
professional models, so they're making some of the most ridiculous

1398
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:10,560
poses ever for session. So it's it's it's it's unhinged

1399
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,319
from the very get go of these of these women

1400
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:16,159
who don't know how to model. A poser look suxy

1401
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,600
and they all are for a good time.

1402
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,039
Speaker 4: They all look different. They're not interacting with each other.

1403
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:23,239
What is the assignment for? We don't know what this

1404
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,199
photo assignment is for, because not of them look exactly

1405
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:26,600
the same.

1406
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 5: They're not. The girl playing Sandy thinks that she can

1407
01:11:31,039 --> 01:11:33,119
just have her back to the camera a lot, like

1408
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:35,279
she turns around, has her back to the camera. Like,

1409
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:37,720
that's not how photography works, Honey, you're a model. We

1410
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,119
need to see you. So I'm just like I That's

1411
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:42,720
part of why I love this movie is because you

1412
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,199
can kind of hear the direction in your head. Yeah,

1413
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:48,279
it's like, okay, rub rub, rub your rub the nipple

1414
01:11:48,319 --> 01:11:51,800
on you with the ice keys, and we do this right.

1415
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 4: It's it's it's totally like like, well you can see

1416
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,800
them looking up at someone else on occasion too as well.

1417
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,560
You could fully see the women look up like I

1418
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,239
reclut cutting yet do I have to keep repping? I'm

1419
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:08,319
still rapping? Okay, okay, exactly. This cube is almost melted. Okay,

1420
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:09,039
I know.

1421
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,199
Speaker 5: And then you have the narration, which is great, which

1422
01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:14,520
I think is Joel because I added that to I

1423
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,239
n dB. I'm pretty sure that is Joel.

1424
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,279
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, I wondered that.

1425
01:12:18,279 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 5: Very very fay voice, which again lends some credence to

1426
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,399
my theory that he might have been gay, very New

1427
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,000
York accent. I also love that and uh yeah, very

1428
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:34,479
amateur recorded narration sounds he recorded in like his closet

1429
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,800
of his apartment, like a real real.

1430
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting he didn't do narration for fluctuations.

1431
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:43,359
Speaker 5: He maybe, but isn't he on the phone calls?

1432
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,039
Speaker 2: Is that him on the phone calls.

1433
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:46,399
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's him or not.

1434
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,199
Speaker 2: Actually I can't tell, don't think so.

1435
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,359
Speaker 4: The voice inflection is not the same. That's the problem.

1436
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not because yes, he has a little lispy, yeah,

1437
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,520
lispy voice a little bit.

1438
01:12:57,399 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 4: And uh yeah he's distinct enough. Yeah, no, I don't

1439
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:01,840
think it's fluctuations.

1440
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 2: We'll get to that, yeah, or maybe we'll just combine.

1441
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,840
This whole discussion is about both of them.

1442
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 5: Well, they're so different. I mean in Hot Blood is tolerable, Yeah,

1443
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,479
fluctuations is not.

1444
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:20,159
Speaker 2: Okay, So Hot Blood situation has plot beats that go

1445
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:23,880
places I think fluctuations does not.

1446
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 4: Yes, correct, Yeah, fluctuations.

1447
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 5: And it has the worst blood effects ever.

1448
01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:34,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, we can't forget the great meat Cleaver massacre.

1449
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,079
I got like ten good mats this movie. Hey, i'll

1450
01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:39,600
give you that. I'll give it that, a meat clever

1451
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,720
massacre in a roughy not gonna lie pretty pleased.

1452
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 2: The editing around it is worse than Milligan, like, way

1453
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:48,479
way worse.

1454
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 4: This film looks like, yeah, he just kind of what

1455
01:13:52,079 --> 01:13:54,399
he did. He didn't actually like watch us at speed.

1456
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,000
He just kind of held the film up to his

1457
01:13:56,079 --> 01:13:57,600
eye and when I guess i'll cut here.

1458
01:13:58,199 --> 01:13:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.

1459
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean half the I mean half the

1460
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,119
A third of the time this film is even focus.

1461
01:14:06,199 --> 01:14:08,039
Speaker 5: It's takes quite a while for the film to actually

1462
01:14:08,039 --> 01:14:09,920
get into focus when you're watching it, Like the full

1463
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,880
opening sequel, the whole opening sequence on the street into

1464
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,880
the apartment building is out of focus. That what just

1465
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,159
goes to Shorty that I think. I don't think Borden

1466
01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:20,239
paid a lot to purchase this.

1467
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:23,399
Speaker 4: I don't know, probably not first time too.

1468
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, there's no way Fluctuations is at least in focus.

1469
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,359
I'll give it that. Fluctuations is a technical improvement. The

1470
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,840
editing is also better. Oh yeah, yeah, nothing else about

1471
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:35,199
it is.

1472
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll say, Fluctuations to me has interesting ideas,

1473
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,920
but in a twenty minute movie, not in a sixty

1474
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,439
minute movie. It's experience. It's an experimental art house film.

1475
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,680
It's not supposed to be taken as a real narrative piece.

1476
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:55,199
Speaker 5: But it makes me think of what Puritan's dream was. Yeah,

1477
01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:58,119
oh maybe that maybe Puritsan's dream. Maybe Puritan's dream is

1478
01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:02,119
in this movie. Maybe Puritson's dream was cut into this film.

1479
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,960
And then he shot stuff around it. I really I

1480
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:05,359
don't know.

1481
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 4: I really do like to think Pearton's Dream had all

1482
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:08,039
that karate.

1483
01:15:09,159 --> 01:15:12,399
Speaker 5: Well. Pearson's Dream also based on its description of filmmaker's

1484
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,439
co op of the print they had, it was in

1485
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,600
black and white and in color. So Joel Landwerd did

1486
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:22,039
shoot something in color for that feature. And God, I

1487
01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:23,600
cannot wait. I hope I get to see it at

1488
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:24,039
some point.

1489
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: It's near you, it is, it is right here in

1490
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:28,399
New York.

1491
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 5: I need somebody to set it up and screen it

1492
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,199
for me in sixteen millimeter?

1493
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 9: What what?

1494
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,079
Speaker 3: What? Oh?

1495
01:15:51,079 --> 01:15:53,239
Speaker 5: Wait? So are we Doris Poro fans?

1496
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 2: There are fans in the Facebook for them.

1497
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,359
Speaker 5: I love because she looks like First of all, she

1498
01:16:02,399 --> 01:16:05,079
does have a body that won't quit. I will say

1499
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:07,800
she was cast well. I also like the fact that

1500
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:13,159
this movie has a latina lead and a black woman

1501
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:16,359
in it, which is like very uncommon for this era.

1502
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,159
So yeah, she looks like a deer cotton headlights. She

1503
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:24,800
clearly signed up to do a day's work and maybe

1504
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,399
got in over her head. But there is something appealing

1505
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:30,680
about her because it really does look like she was

1506
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,920
a model, and it really does kind of echo like

1507
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,560
her stumbling into this movie by accident and then and

1508
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,439
then just wandering out. Well, she dies at the end,

1509
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:40,880
but at the.

1510
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,319
Speaker 2: End of the movie with the best death base, where yeah,

1511
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:46,279
she's like really trying hard.

1512
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:49,520
Speaker 5: The base of all three of them, actually, I think,

1513
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,239
which is a low bar, but you know.

1514
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's another of my farits, and that she's again

1515
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,000
one of these ladies who's just so wonderfully unflustered about

1516
01:16:59,039 --> 01:17:03,399
all the debauchery happening around her. Right, she's like, well,

1517
01:17:04,039 --> 01:17:06,439
yeah exactly, She's like, well, I mean I'm in New

1518
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,880
York now, I guess New Yorkers are just like this,

1519
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:10,880
right exactly.

1520
01:17:11,079 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 5: It's like, well, I just model. This is what I

1521
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:17,279
have to do, and I have to suck on a

1522
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:20,439
banana and make it look sexy and is this good?

1523
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 3: Look?

1524
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what the gals vote to do. Like no, no,

1525
01:17:23,399 --> 01:17:24,880
this is a standard, like.

1526
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 5: Right, there is something very like charmingly amateur about her,

1527
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,159
which I'm just yeah, I don't hate her. There are

1528
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:38,359
worse leading ladies. What's her face from Starlet is way worse.

1529
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,840
She's like a charisma vacuum. But no, there's something about her.

1530
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:43,319
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1531
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 5: I don't know yeah, I don't make an impression in

1532
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:50,159
this film, Joe Ellen, I think is misused. I guess

1533
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,840
the segue she's in fluctuations. She is the first person

1534
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,920
we see she is. She's reading The Voyeur at the beginning.

1535
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,640
She's the only cast member in both movies. Joe Ellen's

1536
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:00,960
the woman and reading The Voyeur.

1537
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 2: Oh Joe Ellen, Yes, sorry, I thought you med ye yes,

1538
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,399
And like you said, there is that connection of like

1539
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:14,279
dirty books. I mean The Voyeur and his follow up,

1540
01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:17,760
The Exhibitionists. They're not like dirty dirty books. They're not

1541
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:18,560
like these books.

1542
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 5: That and interesting connection. So an article I found where

1543
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:29,439
Joel went to was at some high society affair with

1544
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,840
this actress Sarah Smithers, and they're described as he's producing

1545
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,039
a movie called Venus and Adonis and she's the star, which,

1546
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:39,439
as far as I know, the movie never happened. But

1547
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,399
Sarah Smithers is the model on the back of that book.

1548
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,640
She posed semi nude for the cover of that book.

1549
01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:51,600
So it's kind of like an inside joke of like,

1550
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:54,520
this is this is the actress that I was working with,

1551
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,600
and now she's technically in my movie because she's on

1552
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,960
this book. So so I did find that very interesting.

1553
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:03,720
When I found that connection, I was like, oh, wait,

1554
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:07,079
this is the book that Gentry put in the show notes. Yeah,

1555
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:09,960
that's very strange. Interesting.

1556
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember when I first watched the movie,

1557
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,199
I immediately was like, oh, I kind of want to

1558
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:17,079
read this and see if there's some connection with the film.

1559
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,760
And there kind of is, I mean art wise, but

1560
01:19:21,239 --> 01:19:24,840
I think the content is there. It's not directly connected

1561
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:25,399
in any way.

1562
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:27,159
Speaker 5: No, it's not.

1563
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is funny that the actress that he

1564
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,439
wanted to cast in his other movie is on the

1565
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,520
book that she's reading in his movie later. Yeah, that's funny.

1566
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,279
Speaker 5: Yes, And she was arrested getting photographed for the cover of.

1567
01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: That No, she was arrested in publicity.

1568
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 5: Photo shoot promoting the book and she was arrested. Yeah.

1569
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,119
Interesting girl. Yeah, hopefully she gets back with me because

1570
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:52,359
I'd love to know more about this.

1571
01:19:52,439 --> 01:20:02,319
Speaker 2: Allright, sending your book club, let's read the together, Alex interested. Sure.

1572
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:05,079
Speaker 5: Sure, it's not a bad idea. It's pretty long a

1573
01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:06,760
book club. I think we should be able to have

1574
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:07,359
a book club.

1575
01:20:09,119 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 4: It's not like you guys don't know what we're getting

1576
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,319
in for. Prepare yourselves.

1577
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:15,279
Speaker 5: Oh, you've read it.

1578
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:17,560
Speaker 4: No, No, I just mean this book.

1579
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well that's true.

1580
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 4: Careful shitty.

1581
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,359
Speaker 2: You're right, you want to again.

1582
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 8: On you. It's not a pure drop on yesterday change.

1583
01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 6: I know what that.

1584
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:51,199
Speaker 8: Nothing is a purely I only eat the Sign of Town.

1585
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that.

1586
01:20:56,319 --> 01:20:58,239
Speaker 5: The liner notes that I couldn't paste are rie.

1587
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 6: Uh.

1588
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,359
Speaker 5: And there's something we catalog there by Mike Akamanda, who

1589
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:04,279
was Dreadful Pleasures. Aither of you guys remember Dreadful Pleasures?

1590
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 4: They ring such a bell.

1591
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 5: It was a really good fanzine that Mike put out

1592
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,479
several issues, and it was like him reviewing movies. He

1593
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,199
had the best collection of newspaper ad mats and things

1594
01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:21,199
for like all sorts of exploitation, exploitation stuff, so gorgeously

1595
01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:25,279
photographed zine. I think he was based in New Jersey.

1596
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,920
I haven't thought about Mike and years. I hope he's

1597
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,159
doing well. But yeah, he did a lot of liners

1598
01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:35,079
for for something weird, like John Harrison did a lot,

1599
01:21:35,119 --> 01:21:36,720
and there's a bunch of other people who are still around.

1600
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,399
He did too. But I don't know if we want

1601
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:39,600
to read these liners. They're long.

1602
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fluctuations.

1603
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 5: It tries to sum it up in this liner notes,

1604
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:51,520
but it's like, I don't know how I typed all that.

1605
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 4: I mean, the bare idea of fluctuations is that it's

1606
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:03,199
people reading a book, erotic fantasies from a book, and

1607
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:09,600
reality and fantasy begin to blend with each other. As

1608
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:14,720
the film progresses, people reading the book go into like

1609
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,920
characters from the book suddenly start like walking out into

1610
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,920
the living rooms of like the person reading it, or

1611
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,960
suddenly someone like shall we say, reading the book that

1612
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,279
seems to have karate as somehow actually fighting the karate

1613
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:35,199
guys later on and winning. Meanwhile, also there is a

1614
01:22:35,279 --> 01:22:42,119
continuous dialogue between a couple saying the most vulgar things

1615
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,239
to each other while some other types of vulgar things

1616
01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:49,960
happen on camera. I'm talking about the I'm talking about

1617
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:55,640
the wound fingering and awful things like that. It's just

1618
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:01,159
weird stuff happening, folks. That's it an interesting.

1619
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 5: Way, in my opinion.

1620
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,239
Speaker 4: All drags out so long.

1621
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 5: It's so boring. It's interesting interesting when stuff is happening

1622
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,439
on the phone call, and then just when it becomes

1623
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,079
NonStop moaning, it's so monotonous and it's.

1624
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,520
Speaker 4: Just like, can we can we hear them?

1625
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,359
Speaker 5: Can we hear them talking again? Because like the conversation

1626
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,000
I think is interesting because it's just a pervert talking

1627
01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:26,960
to like either a sexphone operator or a girlfriend or

1628
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,920
something about what she will or won't do sexually. And

1629
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,039
that's interesting because it sounds like an actual genuine phone

1630
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:37,520
call that he recorded secretly and maybe the girl didn't know,

1631
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,159
you know, or he had a friend of his recorded

1632
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:43,279
or something. That's fascinating to me. But then it goes away.

1633
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:45,840
It just becomes the moaning over the loops.

1634
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,359
Speaker 2: It's a loop too anyway.

1635
01:23:48,079 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it's so monotonous.

1636
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so strange.

1637
01:23:54,039 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, the karate makes no sense. It has a karate consultant,

1638
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,600
and I can't find that guy. I don't even know

1639
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,479
if I don't know what the fuck that was, So

1640
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,159
I don't think that not a clue exactly.

1641
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has like brief interesting ideas it does nothing

1642
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,119
with for the most part.

1643
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 5: But that's the thing. I don't know if there were

1644
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,840
actual ideas. I just feel like, if you know what,

1645
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,880
it feels like, it feels like he had like a

1646
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,359
checklist and he was like okay, check, okay, check okay. Check,

1647
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,119
and that was it. There's nothing else at least in

1648
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:25,560
how Blood has like a narrative, even if it's like

1649
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,840
a plot written on like a napkin at a diner

1650
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:32,800
before they started shooting fluctuations. Doesn't even feel like experimental

1651
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,560
films are like underground films. I feel like our filmmakers

1652
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,119
that are trying to do something with film, or at

1653
01:24:38,199 --> 01:24:41,479
least trying to like play around with the medium. I

1654
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,880
don't think that's even him doing that. There's one really

1655
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,720
good editing moment with like the still photographs, and then

1656
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,479
it like fades out and fades in, like there's an

1657
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,640
interesting editing there, but then it's like it doesn't come back.

1658
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,880
So it doesn't even work as like an experimental movie

1659
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,279
because there's nothing he's experimenting with. It's just your typical bullshit.

1660
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,920
It's like it's like a Jack Rabin movie with like

1661
01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:09,880
a little more a little more technical finesse. Yeah, but

1662
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,119
that's yeah. If Jack Rabman makes a better makes a

1663
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:16,359
more interesting movie than you, you got a problem. It's

1664
01:25:16,399 --> 01:25:17,399
not good. That's not good.

1665
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,239
Speaker 2: That's really close ups I think are nice where he

1666
01:25:20,279 --> 01:25:23,560
intercuts a couple of close ups of like characters I

1667
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,359
don't know. It feels semi professional in that, you know,

1668
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,199
the camera is actually doing a few interesting things. It's

1669
01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:31,600
not like stuck in one place.

1670
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 4: But it's enough to make me very curious about what

1671
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:35,439
this third mystery film is.

1672
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 5: I know me too.

1673
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 4: These you can bind. It's just enough to make me wonder, Oh,

1674
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,439
did both like kind of blend well for a third

1675
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,960
film that we never saw, you know, to we get

1676
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,720
a really great swung song and we'll never know.

1677
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:50,239
Speaker 5: Well, that's why I wonder if Pearson's Dream is in fluctuations,

1678
01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:53,279
because it feels like something that could have been edited

1679
01:25:53,359 --> 01:25:55,960
already pre edited into this film, and it is like,

1680
01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:58,479
it feels like something that could be dream like or

1681
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,199
have like a dream narrative, or it's just the kind

1682
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:04,399
of way or maybe the maybe the punchline of like

1683
01:26:04,399 --> 01:26:06,920
the title Puritan's Dream is just like a long sex

1684
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:12,279
scene and that's the punchline. So I don't know. Yeah, no,

1685
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:13,760
very tantalizing.

1686
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 8: Well, the only reason where Chilling have a Big trick

1687
01:26:22,119 --> 01:26:26,279
really turned to me on would I feel about it?

1688
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 4: Me?

1689
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 8: You know, the person that broke me doesn't matter anymore?

1690
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:34,439
Before he started to twist his leg, you don't so

1691
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,520
you don't need a space or a name or a personality.

1692
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,359
The only thing you do have the prick's what I like.

1693
01:26:42,119 --> 01:26:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I go.

1694
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 6: Wrong with the rest of it.

1695
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:51,079
Speaker 2: So this played on a double billing with Come On, Baby,

1696
01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:53,840
Light My Fire. That would have been a trip.

1697
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,159
Speaker 5: That was the earliest one very into sixty nine that

1698
01:26:56,199 --> 01:27:02,079
I could find, which that's such a better that's really crazy.

1699
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:05,319
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean the ions need something after fluctuation, so

1700
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:05,920
thank god.

1701
01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 2: Yes, we don't know what order they played though.

1702
01:27:09,039 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 4: That's true. It depends when he walked in.

1703
01:27:11,399 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 5: Abandoning the theater after. It's just like they wouldn't hang

1704
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:18,119
out after that movie. They could have walked out that

1705
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:20,159
flipped those I think, yeah.

1706
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends when the person actually walked in.

1707
01:27:23,119 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: The tagline is a sexplosive symphony, and I'm like, that

1708
01:27:28,039 --> 01:27:34,079
is not accurate. There's no symphonic orchestral nature to this movie.

1709
01:27:34,119 --> 01:27:38,359
It's just especially with that looping background track. I don't

1710
01:27:38,399 --> 01:27:40,359
know what who came up with that idea.

1711
01:27:40,399 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 5: I think that's probably what they're referencing is because the

1712
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,840
audio never stops, so that's probably what they're referencing. And

1713
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,960
that as far as audio, you're there's always gonna be

1714
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:54,760
something going. But that's not As we learn from Sarno,

1715
01:27:55,039 --> 01:27:57,520
sometimes you can work with silence and it works great.

1716
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:03,359
Sometimes you don't mean a cacophony of sounds over the

1717
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,720
entire soundtrack. I mean it's over comped.

1718
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,159
Speaker 2: I think this probably could have helped if there was

1719
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:10,439
a little bit more silence in this.

1720
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 4: Actually, also just was a good time nineteen sixty nine

1721
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,920
in black and white too well.

1722
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 5: I mean, Jennifer, Jennifer was black and white, Marine was

1723
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,920
black and whine. Ultimately Jennifer's black and white, like American

1724
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,279
film distributing was doing almost exclusively black and white, they

1725
01:28:27,319 --> 01:28:30,680
were not they were not upgrading to color. So I

1726
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,560
think it's because I think that was Stan's money, money

1727
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,880
saving thing. I think it was cheaper to print negatives

1728
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,079
and prints in black and white than it was in color.

1729
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,640
So yes, if you if you actually, if you look

1730
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,319
at the catalog, there isn't a lot of color in

1731
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:46,960
that catalog. After a certain point, it's like primitive love

1732
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,319
is color serving wives of color.

1733
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,520
Speaker 4: Sun swept his color, and at the very end he

1734
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,720
almost tries to start a little bit with things like

1735
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,319
Una and then there's this weird mysterious film I've got

1736
01:28:57,359 --> 01:28:59,479
called fly Me, which I know is in color because

1737
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:05,399
i've seen aims from the trailer and Monosa Deca though

1738
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,000
that was earlier. That wasna sound the shelf a bit.

1739
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,319
Speaker 5: Oh that was sixteen seventy, wasn't it.

1740
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,359
Speaker 4: I thought I shot earlier sixteen millimere color because some

1741
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:20,359
releases in that she leaves New York by sixty eight. Yeah,

1742
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,399
that's interesting. You know it was a because then it

1743
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:27,960
was later inserted. I've got nothing on fly Me. I

1744
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,720
have no idea. I need to look for some ads

1745
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,680
or something like that, because fly Me has got nothing.

1746
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,479
It's just the poster art and then some mats.

1747
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,560
Speaker 5: It's not like Flying Acquaintances, is it? Because that's seventy

1748
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,840
three in that softcore. I wonder if there's a relation.

1749
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:43,199
I'm not sure.

1750
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that it's terrible, but well, it's funny

1751
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,319
because genre Lan put out a movie in seventy four

1752
01:29:52,359 --> 01:29:54,640
and it was retitled in America fly Me the French Way,

1753
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,399
and it even got a something weird video release. It

1754
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,680
even got to take all the sexual Yeah. Yeah, so

1755
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,600
I wonder if it's a riff on. That title is

1756
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,760
a riff on that earlier fly Me.

1757
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,199
Speaker 5: I don't know that seems oh you mean fly Me

1758
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:10,199
the French way. It could have been well because Blyme

1759
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,920
was a New World movie that came out seventy three.

1760
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,399
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's what it's like. It's even hard to

1761
01:30:16,399 --> 01:30:18,800
find out about this movie because that one always comes

1762
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,600
up to. It's very hard to find thing about this

1763
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,800
fly Me. I wish I got the trailer I had yea.

1764
01:30:24,039 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 2: That airline stewardess movie or whatever it is.

1765
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, which is It's fair. I have a soft

1766
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:32,319
spot for it, but a lot of people don't like it.

1767
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:36,920
Lilo Terrena ed to Priest's wife one of those stewardess.

1768
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 4: Isn't that?

1769
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 2: Yep, you're right. Anyways, I was going to talk about.

1770
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,359
So yeah, fluctuations did not get a hand in lot

1771
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:48,239
or Sexy Shocker release because there's not really anything shock.

1772
01:30:48,359 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 5: You know, it came out as a twisted sex cinema series,

1773
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,560
which is probably more accurate. Those are the two best series,

1774
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,479
honestly in the Something Weird are the sexy Shockers and

1775
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,359
the twists the sex because the twisted sex are almost

1776
01:31:02,399 --> 01:31:06,640
all New York black and white, really insane shit.

1777
01:31:07,359 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 2: So Alex Alex's Bread and Butter.

1778
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, yeah, yes.

1779
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:15,159
Speaker 5: I think there's only a few exceptions, like the Walls

1780
01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:17,960
Have Eyes as Florida, and then there's like a few

1781
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,760
other I think help Wanted Females, Twisted sext them and

1782
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,239
that's California. But most of them are down and dirty, grungy,

1783
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,880
black and white New York films.

1784
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:32,560
Speaker 2: Like Fine Later with Vibrations and Submission on that triple feature.

1785
01:31:33,079 --> 01:31:35,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, Submission was Twisted Sex. Yeah.

1786
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:41,119
Speaker 4: Such a roller coaster of a triple bill, Yeah.

1787
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I feel if you're watching them in order,

1788
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:46,399
because it goes Vibrations, Fluctuation, Submission, that's a really rough

1789
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,760
roller coaster because you're starting with the best and then

1790
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,319
you're going down into the swamp and they're coming back

1791
01:31:51,359 --> 01:31:53,319
up to Submission, which is almost as.

1792
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 2: It's a fun triple bill for sure, and I love it.

1793
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,359
It's all like the singular word titles. No, I know

1794
01:31:59,520 --> 01:31:59,760
it is.

1795
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,199
Speaker 5: I think two of those films are great. Fluctuations is like,

1796
01:32:02,279 --> 01:32:05,800
what the fuck is this doing here? It's added value,

1797
01:32:06,039 --> 01:32:07,880
I guess, But then that that means that release has

1798
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,000
no trailers on it because there's no room for anything else.

1799
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, oh really, because some of them do and

1800
01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:14,760
some of them don't as well.

1801
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:18,319
Speaker 5: Exactly, I think. And also the deleted scenes of Submission

1802
01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:19,319
are on the I think too.

1803
01:32:19,359 --> 01:32:22,359
Speaker 4: I think that matters more than trailers to have some

1804
01:32:22,399 --> 01:32:25,720
space on because the Ultimate Degenerate release does have trailers

1805
01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:26,840
but nothing else.

1806
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, it does.

1807
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 4: You're gonna put on You've got really cool outtakes or

1808
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,840
as trailers, so you can stick somewhere else.

1809
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Well.

1810
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 5: Also, Vibrations didn't have a Sarno commentary, which I really wanted.

1811
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:40,239
Speaker 4: The commentaries were kind of done by that time.

1812
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,039
Speaker 5: I know, anyway, tell me about tell me about it.

1813
01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:45,239
I was reviewing all this shit and saying, where's the commentary?

1814
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:48,079
Speaker 4: That's about saying I think Sarno would have really remembered

1815
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:50,439
all about Vibrations. That was just such a tiny little

1816
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:51,359
Morse Caplan thing.

1817
01:32:52,359 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 5: Well, then we could have heard all about Morse Caplin,

1818
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,800
couldn't we? And Peggy's in it. We could have gotten

1819
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,399
an identifier possibly for knockers McCall up got some realase stories.

1820
01:33:02,119 --> 01:33:03,199
Speaker 4: I mean, that's still possible.

1821
01:33:04,119 --> 01:33:06,239
Speaker 5: Well, my release I have to call, but I don't know.

1822
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 2: Well, so Vibrations yet has gotten released, but Submission that

1823
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:14,359
doesn't happen.

1824
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 5: Sorry, it doesn't have submission. No it doesn't so good.

1825
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah for release, yeah for sure.

1826
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 5: No, it's so good. Fluctuations can rot. But I like submission.

1827
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:29,800
I really want a nice high death upgrade. Please. Yeah,

1828
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:30,880
I love submission.

1829
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 4: Yes, anyone who hasn't yet, this is your keye to

1830
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:34,560
go check out submission.

1831
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 2: It's so good. We're having a little mini Jennifer Wells

1832
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,520
revival lately, so let's get it out there. Oh yeah, I.

1833
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 4: Guess, yeah, I mean we just got Career Bad. Oh yeah,

1834
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,039
we got Inside Jennifer Wells right.

1835
01:33:49,039 --> 01:33:50,399
Speaker 5: Which I feel like that would have been the perfect

1836
01:33:50,399 --> 01:33:52,479
time to put out Blonde Velvet and Temptations, which are

1837
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,800
also districts. I don't know why those want put out,

1838
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:55,960
but what do I know.

1839
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 2: I'll talk to your boy.

1840
01:33:59,039 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 5: Actually, well, this got actually yeah, they got another big,

1841
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:06,960
big X rated library that they're going to be doing

1842
01:34:07,039 --> 01:34:10,760
major stuff with, which yes, it's great, but also means

1843
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,560
they're going to be bumping a lot more stuff off

1844
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:13,119
the calendar.

1845
01:34:13,359 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 2: Talking about the Mitchell No Brothers, No.

1846
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:16,520
Speaker 5: They got another one.

1847
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,039
Speaker 4: Oh, we'll talk later.

1848
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:24,119
Speaker 5: That'll be announced. Well, it'll be announced in January, I believe.

1849
01:34:24,279 --> 01:34:29,560
Speaker 4: Oh, a lot good announcements in January. Jesus, I know, yeah.

1850
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 2: Back to fluctuations. I didn't want to mention again this

1851
01:34:33,399 --> 01:34:36,680
kind of queer subtext going on here with Joel. This

1852
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:42,319
one definitely feels a lot more gazy with regard to

1853
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,960
like our male back ends and just how the camera

1854
01:34:46,079 --> 01:34:51,720
is situated in full frontally. Yeah, yeah, okay, we're all

1855
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:53,640
in agreement. Stir all right, Yeah, I know.

1856
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,239
Speaker 4: I was wondering about that too. I just didn't really

1857
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:59,359
have anything. I was just like, oh, Joel thought a

1858
01:34:59,399 --> 01:35:02,880
bit about his men and things, okay, right, well.

1859
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,560
Speaker 5: It's all like twinkie dudes. The one guy, well, actually,

1860
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,880
the one guy looks very young, the guy that's the

1861
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,119
full frontal in the shower, and.

1862
01:35:10,359 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 2: I think he's supposed to because I think that's the

1863
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,279
angle of that scene, is like he's with the older woman.

1864
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:20,079
She's supposed to be oh yeah, like true much older,

1865
01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:22,119
and he's the young boy. Yeah.

1866
01:35:23,319 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 5: Interesting.

1867
01:35:25,079 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 2: I did not understand, like the kidnapping that happens in

1868
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,800
this movie, I don't know how that related to anything.

1869
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,199
Speaker 5: No, there's no narrative to this.

1870
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 4: How does anything happen to this movie? What do you mean?

1871
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:39,039
How does anything happen.

1872
01:35:39,359 --> 01:35:42,359
Speaker 5: Sometimes she'll reading the book. It's like this ship, this

1873
01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:44,600
is supposed to be in the book. Is there are

1874
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,800
the karate guys next door to her while she's reading

1875
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,079
or are they in the book? Is the phone is

1876
01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:51,159
the phone call in her memory or is a part

1877
01:35:51,159 --> 01:35:52,880
of the book. Who knows? I don't think.

1878
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:56,159
Speaker 4: Also, also, there's two different women reading books too, so

1879
01:35:56,199 --> 01:35:58,239
we can't even tell there's not just one woman reading

1880
01:35:58,239 --> 01:35:59,640
the book. Guys, there's two.

1881
01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:02,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, a second book a history of orgies, and there's

1882
01:36:02,319 --> 01:36:04,840
only one. There's what one orgy that we go back

1883
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:05,600
to over and over.

1884
01:36:06,079 --> 01:36:08,119
Speaker 4: You just look like a threesome too. It's technically like.

1885
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, which I guess is an orgy in the books

1886
01:36:11,039 --> 01:36:13,880
in the book, it's it's just like, yeah, I think

1887
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,520
it's a waste of time to put too much thought

1888
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,479
into this, because nobody else put this much thought into it.

1889
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,399
Speaker 2: The orgy is a boy, a boy and a girl.

1890
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,920
So it's like, you know, Joel had his choice, give

1891
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:29,960
me two guys anyway, Golden Shower, that's a pretty big deal. Huh.

1892
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:34,319
Speaker 5: That's true. Yes, that is true. But I don't know.

1893
01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:36,760
At this point, we've seen so much crazy shit in

1894
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:41,960
like the Findley movies, So it feels similar to that.

1895
01:36:42,079 --> 01:36:44,119
I mean, at this point, we're like, this is the

1896
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:47,159
tail end of the Ruffies before we we go off

1897
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:52,439
into hardcore. So I feel like every there's nothing that's

1898
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,159
off limits at this point except for actual hardcore.

1899
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,520
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it does feel like that, yeah, for sure.

1900
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 5: And the only other cast member that I recognized and

1901
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,079
I was happy to see is Kim Lewid. Most people

1902
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:07,439
know his baby from A Thousand Pleasures, but she's in

1903
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:11,000
so much of this stuff. Sort of a very gangly

1904
01:37:11,039 --> 01:37:14,439
blonde with an overbite, kind of kind of like Roberta

1905
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:15,880
actually a little bit.

1906
01:37:16,039 --> 01:37:20,119
Speaker 2: Her face definitely looks like Roberta when she's when she's

1907
01:37:20,119 --> 01:37:23,119
holding that globe. Yeah, she's like holding that globe when

1908
01:37:23,159 --> 01:37:26,239
you see just like half of her face, the bottom half, Yeah,

1909
01:37:26,279 --> 01:37:27,760
it looks like Roberta.

1910
01:37:28,199 --> 01:37:31,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. So she's in a lot of this stuff. It's

1911
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:33,399
like and that she was very tail end, so she

1912
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,439
was like it was like her Susan Landau, Linda Boyce,

1913
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,479
Uda Erickson, that was all around the same era, but

1914
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,000
except Kim was in a lot of like the most

1915
01:37:42,039 --> 01:37:45,000
low rent stuff. I feel like she's I feel like

1916
01:37:45,039 --> 01:37:47,680
she would do Yeah, she would take the lowest paying

1917
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:49,960
jobs because she's just was like whatever. I feel like

1918
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,439
she had a lower threshold for gigs than the rest

1919
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,520
of the girls in New York at that time because

1920
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,600
she shows up in really terrible stuff.

1921
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,359
Speaker 4: That's the thing. I know, because I love seeing her,

1922
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:03,640
But the movie, she's mostly in Ultimate Voight, your Ultimate

1923
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:07,199
so forth. Yeah, besides the friendly stuff, I can't think

1924
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:09,119
of another one that I'm like, Oh, that's the only

1925
01:38:09,159 --> 01:38:10,840
thing I liked about this movie is Oh, there's Kim

1926
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,319
in that lovely dress. Oh at least she's on screen,

1927
01:38:14,039 --> 01:38:17,239
right that stay on screen, Kim, please stay on screen, please?

1928
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 5: Right? Exactly. Well, like I gave this one star and

1929
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:22,920
half the stars for the phone calls. The other half

1930
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:24,159
is for Kim, and that's it.

1931
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:25,399
Speaker 4: That's fair.

1932
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the phone calls are Yeah, like you said,

1933
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:32,680
the phone calls are interesting because there is no filter

1934
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:36,520
at all. It does seem like they're just talking off

1935
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,560
the cuff, like they weren't given direction.

1936
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like, well, it feels genuine. It doesn't

1937
01:38:42,279 --> 01:38:44,359
feel like it doesn't feel like it was scripted or

1938
01:38:44,359 --> 01:38:46,279
an act. It feels like it's an actual phone call.

1939
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,800
Like and it might very well be. I don't. I

1940
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,000
don't think this was scripted.

1941
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does weird.

1942
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 5: Nobody's nobody in these movies is acting well enough to

1943
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:59,119
make it sound that convinsing. Like when she when she

1944
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,680
gets a little testy with him, that's, I don't that's

1945
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,439
not acting like you know, when he's saying to like

1946
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,399
you put your cigarette, you put my cigarette in your ass,

1947
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,800
and he's like, no, I didn't. Like, this is an

1948
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,479
actual conversation with these people. This is not This is

1949
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,640
not a script or improv. They also can't improv well,

1950
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,720
so like this is a I believe it's a genuine

1951
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:19,239
phone call.

1952
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 2: It might be well, And it's interesting. I kind of

1953
01:39:24,319 --> 01:39:29,000
browse those books that John sent us, you know, the

1954
01:39:29,039 --> 01:39:32,560
doors Poral books, and you know that language is in

1955
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:36,439
those books as well. That just like super dirty language.

1956
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:40,199
Speaker 4: That's how they were gay at that time as well too.

1957
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:42,800
The second the second, when they thought they could get

1958
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:47,199
away with it, they went the pendulum violently swung. Yeah, yep,

1959
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,119
So that everything in those things is every other word

1960
01:39:50,199 --> 01:39:53,960
is a four letter word. It's it's like it's it's

1961
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,840
like a kid finally like being able to like talk

1962
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,720
and just going for it. The books you read like

1963
01:40:00,199 --> 01:40:01,479
single it's like, yeah, that's all it.

1964
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:05,279
Speaker 5: Is, because I have I have a time of them,

1965
01:40:05,279 --> 01:40:07,640
and I'm just like, god, this is terrible. I must

1966
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,520
you have to be like a real dyed in the

1967
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,760
world degenerate to get off on because it's like there

1968
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,720
is nothing going on and it's except like real bottom

1969
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,239
of the barrel.

1970
01:40:19,039 --> 01:40:22,239
Speaker 4: Filthy, really gross.

1971
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,239
Speaker 5: But then it actually it becomes kind of boring after

1972
01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:28,359
a while. It's like, okay, if there's no nuance or

1973
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:32,000
anything going on, yeah, it's just kind of like, Okay,

1974
01:40:32,039 --> 01:40:34,439
this is it. Yeah, it's it's very much like the

1975
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:37,319
non stop moaning on this outstrag. I'm like, okay, this

1976
01:40:37,399 --> 01:40:38,600
is it. Okay, great.

1977
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that is the way to look

1978
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:43,039
at it, is like he's he's he is trying to

1979
01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:45,079
put he is trying to make these books come to

1980
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:48,359
life on the screen in a way. And with all

1981
01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:50,439
their films that do, that's so much better.

1982
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 5: Who really do feel like one of these books come

1983
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,359
to life? We talked about a few of them. This

1984
01:40:56,399 --> 01:41:00,439
is not one of them. Yea, even like Hot A Dreams,

1985
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,560
I think does that better? And it's set it around

1986
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:08,000
a book store, so that feels like Mure. Yeah, and

1987
01:41:08,039 --> 01:41:11,199
that kind of tackles this thing much better, where it

1988
01:41:11,279 --> 01:41:13,960
is centered around the erotic bookstore and like reading the

1989
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,079
books that are there, and you know, it inspires, you know,

1990
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,159
fantasies that are then filmed, and they don't they don't

1991
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:22,560
drag on that much. It's not a great movie, but

1992
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:26,359
I think it is a better encapsulation of like the

1993
01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:28,520
dirty books that were being made around that time.

1994
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:34,159
Speaker 8: I'll be cool to you any day, Suck.

1995
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,399
Speaker 10: That's true.

1996
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,239
Speaker 8: You don't know how to stuck like I do.

1997
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,159
Speaker 6: She's got the tongue of tongue.

1998
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:46,399
Speaker 8: Oh, we've had ton of the triple mixed mine anything.

1999
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember when we first started this podcast, we

2000
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,880
were like, well, event sure we have to do fluctuations

2001
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,479
just so that we can clip some of that audio so.

2002
01:42:06,119 --> 01:42:08,119
Speaker 5: It eventually we do.

2003
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,520
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I know, what do you mean, Dission?

2004
01:42:12,079 --> 01:42:14,720
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe this is just me this for the record,

2005
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:19,479
this was not a discussion. I never would have done fluctuations. Well,

2006
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:21,119
you know what, The only way it makes sense is

2007
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:23,840
if you're doing it combined with in Hot Blood, which

2008
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,560
I definitely wanted to talk about because I want to

2009
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,640
talk about Joel and it's one of my big guilty pleasures.

2010
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,960
The fluctuations doesn't work if you're not considering it as

2011
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,439
part of a two for that this one guy did.

2012
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,359
It doesn't work on its own at all.

2013
01:42:38,039 --> 01:42:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it does fit into the broader

2014
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:44,319
picture of understanding Joel. So it's worth talking about for sure.

2015
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:45,119
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2016
01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's fluctuations and in Hot Blood. Yeah, any

2017
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:51,640
last thoughts.

2018
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 5: No, I like In Hot Blood. But I love the

2019
01:42:58,039 --> 01:43:00,359
narration of In Hot Blood. And also the you know,

2020
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:02,199
major soundtrack is good.

2021
01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 2: That's good.

2022
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so many great recognized tracks.

2023
01:43:06,039 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I can put It's a movie I can

2024
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,720
put on in the background, which I enjoy because the

2025
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,600
soundtrack is so good. Yeah, I don't know. I wish

2026
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,479
I could recognize some more of the locations, and they're

2027
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:19,239
not Blood. That's another reason fluctuations sucks. It's got In

2028
01:43:19,279 --> 01:43:21,000
Hot Blood. We at least get some really good New

2029
01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:25,720
York street locations. We get Doris Poro and Ruth Cologne

2030
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:30,560
running down the street, or you've identified like that shag thing.

2031
01:43:31,159 --> 01:43:36,239
No I was trying. Oh no, wait, yes, West sixty

2032
01:43:36,279 --> 01:43:41,359
seven Street. It's the Upper West Side, which is very unusual.

2033
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:46,960
But ye, fluctuations is all taken place in like two apartments.

2034
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:48,560
Speaker 2: It's probably his apartments.

2035
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:52,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I want to know who. There's

2036
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,119
two big ones. There's the big living room and then

2037
01:43:55,159 --> 01:43:58,680
there's the modern one where the ballet long hair dancer

2038
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,560
lady with all the books behind.

2039
01:44:00,399 --> 01:44:01,279
Speaker 5: It, which is different.

2040
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 4: Right, there's some interesting locales. I'm like, who did you know?

2041
01:44:05,279 --> 01:44:07,359
Who were you hanging out with? That's why we care

2042
01:44:07,399 --> 01:44:08,560
more about who were you hanging out with?

2043
01:44:09,159 --> 01:44:09,319
Speaker 5: Right?

2044
01:44:09,399 --> 01:44:11,279
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly who.

2045
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:13,199
Speaker 5: Was hanging out with ultra Violet and the daughter of

2046
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:16,479
a British diplomat who was arrested for indecent exposure.

2047
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,560
Speaker 4: Like I want to know he was the one there

2048
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:21,560
places like yeah, I just wanted yeah.

2049
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 5: And also like his brother was was successful, was successful

2050
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:26,840
in the world of like journalism and writing and stuff.

2051
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,479
So who knows who was hob nobbing with with his

2052
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,279
brother in like the New York literary world. Who knows?

2053
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,039
You know that's true? Yeah, yeah, So it just just

2054
01:44:35,039 --> 01:44:36,239
begs so many questions.

2055
01:44:36,319 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I do get the feeling that he was like

2056
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:42,279
a you know, a literate guy, and he had certain

2057
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:46,439
artsy aspirations and this was his way to get his

2058
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:48,000
foot in the door. Who knows what he would have

2059
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,359
done after. Yeah, it's too bad we never got anything else,

2060
01:44:50,359 --> 01:44:52,840
because I mean, maybe he would have made it out

2061
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:55,119
of exploitation. Are there anybody was.

2062
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 5: Out of his exploitation he got he made his way

2063
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:02,159
into exploitation to make money. Yeah, I believe Puritan's dreams

2064
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:04,800
from about all accounts from what I've seen, not a

2065
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:09,479
s exploitation movie. He was already making artsy underground movies

2066
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:12,520
and then stumbled into sex movies because he can make

2067
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:14,840
them cheap and make a profit. And maybe that money

2068
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,840
was going to go into doing the artsy films, which

2069
01:45:17,159 --> 01:45:21,000
I haven't found any evidence of, So yeah, it's interesting.

2070
01:45:21,039 --> 01:45:23,079
It's kind of like an expense Curly where Spence Curly

2071
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:29,119
wildly successful at industrial films documentaries and then decides to

2072
01:45:29,239 --> 01:45:33,800
slum doing satur nine productions and then while he is,

2073
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:36,159
which are shot for nothing, just to make a little

2074
01:45:36,199 --> 01:45:39,840
extra cash. So yeah, it's interesting. It really does feel

2075
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:41,239
like slumming.

2076
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:42,600
Speaker 2: Really a bit.

2077
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2078
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,279
Speaker 2: I do like the ad mats for fluctuations though.

2079
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very strong, that middle finger on Kim's mouth.

2080
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,359
That's a strong thing to put on your ads. Once again,

2081
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,880
Stan being a bit more ballsy. Because I can see

2082
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,000
that gain censored quite a bit.

2083
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:02,159
Speaker 5: I wondered about him. I don't know, if you know,

2084
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,880
like Lorraine came from a background of like advertising design

2085
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:10,199
and stuff. I wonder how I wonder if she was

2086
01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:14,359
all involved with any of the ad campaigns and designs

2087
01:46:14,399 --> 01:46:16,880
for any of those films near the tail end. I

2088
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:18,680
really I don't have any idea because I don't know

2089
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:20,880
when they met. I just know they married in seventy one.

2090
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:24,000
I don't know if she was with him well before then.

2091
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,279
Speaker 4: That's a curious thing because I think i'd have to

2092
01:46:28,319 --> 01:46:30,239
go back to it. It's not the later edition. I

2093
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:32,800
think the first edition of the Ghastly One mentioned her

2094
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,239
saying having something to do with the campaigns, but then

2095
01:46:35,279 --> 01:46:39,319
the lace edition does is oh have that? I think

2096
01:46:39,319 --> 01:46:43,239
that's where I read it with her maybe possibly possibly

2097
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:48,159
or for that because yeah, but I don't know, because

2098
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,520
because Bill interacted with them.

2099
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:54,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bill Landis interviewed Stan and it's a terrible interview.

2100
01:46:54,119 --> 01:46:56,680
It's all one word answers, and because he's not he's

2101
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:00,399
not a good interviewer. So yeah, that interview was total

2102
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:02,760
waste of time. If you haven't if people haven't read it,

2103
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:04,520
don't go out of your way to try to read it.

2104
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:09,279
It's really a massive disappointment. And yeah, yeah, I think

2105
01:47:09,279 --> 01:47:11,079
it's like a page and a half and it's mostly

2106
01:47:11,079 --> 01:47:13,680
one word answers. I'm just like, God, this, this is

2107
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:18,960
what happens when you have this crazy maniac interviewing people.

2108
01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:23,359
And Laton too and interviewed Abba Layton too before she died,

2109
01:47:23,359 --> 01:47:25,880
And I'm like, that's the Alba Layton interview that we

2110
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:29,239
have to deal with. Nobody else interviewed this very important

2111
01:47:29,279 --> 01:47:33,680
woman behind Bradley Metzger's films. That's crazy to me. So yeah,

2112
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:35,880
I guess we have lands to thank quote unquote for

2113
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:38,000
speaking to them in some way.

2114
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:39,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately.

2115
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at more of these ad MAT's, like

2116
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:44,479
the fluctuations. Even though like font on it it just

2117
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:47,239
looks nice. I don't know something about it. It stands out.

2118
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 4: I'd love to know who did the campaigns because they're

2119
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,720
all very consistent. They're all mostly the same. They were

2120
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,000
using the same people normally, the same layout.

2121
01:47:57,279 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 5: You see a lot you see this particular font on

2122
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,880
a lot of their stuff. I don't know what that

2123
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:06,439
font is, but you see in a lot of their

2124
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:07,399
later period stuff.

2125
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, a bunch of obviously hand drawn, but there was

2126
01:48:10,039 --> 01:48:13,199
a little resource that's not sad.

2127
01:48:13,239 --> 01:48:17,159
Speaker 2: And even paired with career bed at once at Detroit

2128
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:22,479
Double Bill, So there's another Jennifer Wihell's connection. That's fun.

2129
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:25,199
Speaker 5: It's always on the top half of the bill, that's crazy.

2130
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:28,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, all I want to know is what on earth

2131
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:32,960
was playing with it at the Capri in Detroit. Booing booing?

2132
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:38,600
Speaker 5: I bang, your is booing booing? Is that Dean Martin? No,

2133
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:39,960
it's not Dean Martin, it's Tony.

2134
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,359
Speaker 4: What am I thinking? This is hot?

2135
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:48,520
Speaker 5: Booing? Booing? Is no booing? No, I'm sorry, I think

2136
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:54,199
booing booing is Isn't it boing boing? Isn't it? The

2137
01:48:54,319 --> 01:48:59,640
Lewis at the bottom half, possibly, which is crazy at

2138
01:48:59,640 --> 01:48:59,960
that point.

2139
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 2: Wait the new dy QD boying.

2140
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that's the only thing. These things just kept

2141
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,359
They kept shoving them back out. That's how it works.

2142
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 5: It's color, even if it's old. It's color. Build with

2143
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,880
a black and white movie, so at least you're getting

2144
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,880
some color even if it's old on the second half.

2145
01:49:20,079 --> 01:49:22,079
But yeah, I thought that was interesting because yeah, looking

2146
01:49:22,119 --> 01:49:23,600
at that, you can see that it's showing at two

2147
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:25,960
theaters in Detroit. You know, there's only one print in

2148
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,039
that town, So that print has to go back and

2149
01:49:28,079 --> 01:49:30,520
forth between these two theaters of In Hot Blood.

2150
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 2: Somehow in another lifetime. That was job.

2151
01:49:37,359 --> 01:49:39,359
Speaker 4: I had to drive that for one to another. That's

2152
01:49:39,399 --> 01:49:42,279
how it works. Yeah, so some little yeah, take a taker, Hey,

2153
01:49:42,319 --> 01:49:44,479
can you go drive this print to the next town.

2154
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:46,079
They need it for next week.

2155
01:49:47,199 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 5: But it's interesting because look at this. So yeah, so

2156
01:49:50,079 --> 01:49:55,039
I guess for anyone, for listener's sake, I did like

2157
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:58,680
a timeline of the release of In Hot Blood across

2158
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:02,279
the nation. The earliest release I found was April twenty

2159
01:50:02,279 --> 01:50:06,159
sixth in Richmond, Virginia, and it didn't release until New

2160
01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:09,880
York until like two weeks later. So it didn't even

2161
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:12,520
premiere in New York. I think it premiered in Richmond,

2162
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:16,960
so and then it premiered in San Francisco. It never

2163
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,840
premiered in LA I don't think, and then it jumped

2164
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:23,319
all over the place. Then it also plays in certain theaters,

2165
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:26,319
but then it plays in certain theaters package with chain girls,

2166
01:50:26,319 --> 01:50:30,239
in multiple different locations. So that's like that's probably Stan

2167
01:50:31,239 --> 01:50:35,000
or whoever his regional distributor was creating that package of

2168
01:50:35,079 --> 01:50:37,880
two stand films and then being able to get that

2169
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,479
booked by different people and wherever his territory was.

2170
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:42,920
Speaker 4: I was just also about to say for those of

2171
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:44,960
you out there who are like wondering also how some

2172
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:46,960
of these things could be like connected with something like

2173
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,640
career bed. It could just be the same sub distributor,

2174
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,399
like let's not forget as well, like too sub distributor

2175
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:56,399
handled multiple different like national distributors as product. So it

2176
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:58,479
might be strange for like the outlier to look at

2177
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:00,239
that ad for it, I don't know it Lane in

2178
01:51:00,359 --> 01:51:02,279
ar Kansas or somewhere with another film. But you have

2179
01:51:02,319 --> 01:51:06,119
to remember that sub distributors dealt with multiple main distributors

2180
01:51:06,119 --> 01:51:07,880
as product at a time.

2181
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 5: Well, and this is another case. So like in Hot

2182
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:13,119
Blood double feature with Another Day, Another Man, which is

2183
01:51:13,159 --> 01:51:15,680
two years old at that point, it played double feature

2184
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,439
with those two in Richmond. Those that double feature played

2185
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:24,760
in Richmond, Rochester and Knoxville, three very different territories, double

2186
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:28,159
featured with those those two movies paired together in those

2187
01:51:28,199 --> 01:51:32,439
different territories. But that's probably that's either sand packaging them

2188
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:37,039
to those that region, or it's one one regional distributor handling.

2189
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:38,399
Speaker 4: All of those exactly.

2190
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably not Rochester, but possibly Richmond. Probably possibly Virginia

2191
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:46,600
and Tennessee together though, mm hmm. But yeah, So it's

2192
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:51,920
just it's interesting to see the history movie the place. Yeah,

2193
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,199
it jumps all over the place. It's not it's not

2194
01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:55,880
a situation where like if you think a movie is

2195
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,880
opening in one place, like if it opens in New

2196
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,000
York and then you think of it, Okay, it's gonna

2197
01:52:01,039 --> 01:52:04,800
move west gradually, but that's not what happened. It'll open

2198
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:07,439
in Richmond first, and then New York and then I'll

2199
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:10,720
pass so and then Miami and then yeah, all over

2200
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:11,720
the place. There is no.

2201
01:52:13,399 --> 01:52:15,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it can also too. Yeah, well sounds it could

2202
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,479
just be a weird scheduling thing, like I can imagine

2203
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,359
like you had to wait like two weeks for the

2204
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:22,800
cameo for another feature to leave, because that happens sometimes,

2205
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:25,359
like Stan was dealing with a lot of different product

2206
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,399
so things just kind of get staggered because there's only

2207
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:30,119
so many people, like, hold on a second, I need

2208
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:33,439
to deal with your past film first, yeah, right before

2209
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:34,319
this show comes on.

2210
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 5: Right. So it's it's just interesting to see.

2211
01:52:37,319 --> 01:52:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many prints is he striking of something like

2212
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:45,680
in Hot Blood none or less? Probably you're dealing with many. Yeah,

2213
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:46,960
you have to move around.

2214
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,039
Speaker 5: Yeah that too. Yeah, so you have these print exchanges

2215
01:52:50,039 --> 01:52:51,720
that are trying when when it's done that needs to

2216
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,720
be shipped out immediately to the next territory.

2217
01:52:54,079 --> 01:52:54,520
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

2218
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. But it's just interesting to see what Also, some

2219
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,439
of them are double filled and some of them open,

2220
01:53:00,119 --> 01:53:03,359
some of them open, Like Hot Blood doesn't necessarily always

2221
01:53:03,359 --> 01:53:06,239
open at the top of a double bill. It could

2222
01:53:06,319 --> 01:53:09,319
open new at the bottom of a double bill because

2223
01:53:09,319 --> 01:53:11,840
it's not considered hot enough or good enough, Like it

2224
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:15,479
premiered in Atlantic City, New Jersey, at the bottom half

2225
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:18,079
of double bill with Olgast Dancehall Girls. That was the

2226
01:53:18,119 --> 01:53:20,319
top half of the bill, and that was the premiere

2227
01:53:20,319 --> 01:53:23,439
Ougust Dancehall Girls had more legs because it was Olga

2228
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:27,760
regardless of it was Audrey Campbell. So yeah, it's interesting.

2229
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:29,720
I mean, that's that's something that's more interesting than the

2230
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:33,600
actual movie. So like Fluctuations, the history of that distribution.

2231
01:53:34,119 --> 01:53:35,960
And then it was also I kept finding ad mats

2232
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:38,399
for like Fluctuation without the s and I was like, well,

2233
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:41,960
what was inappropriate about the fluctuation, what was what was

2234
01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:47,039
inappropriate about the plural of fluctuation? Why didn't why does not.

2235
01:53:47,079 --> 01:53:47,520
Speaker 6: Have the s?

2236
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:51,520
Speaker 5: It's very strange. Yeah, but then you found ad mats

2237
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,920
were in wild Blood.

2238
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:57,560
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, because yeah, when it showed at the Cameo

2239
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:02,680
Standard two weeks, Sanborne stuff normally premiered at the Cameo

2240
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:06,600
or the Tivoli Standard two weeks, which is Chllie Wilson's

2241
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:10,760
normal thing. It was released, it was shown because NY

2242
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:12,600
Daily News is one of those papers that was a

2243
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:17,119
lot pickier than say Village Voice or something. So we're

2244
01:54:17,159 --> 01:54:19,119
trying to look for these films in a paper like

2245
01:54:19,279 --> 01:54:22,640
NY Daily News, which always censored it. This was the

2246
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:25,079
ads for this was in wild Blood. It's kind of

2247
01:54:25,079 --> 01:54:27,439
a nightmare if you're trying to look for the title.

2248
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,720
So I say it also researchers is try and look

2249
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,880
for the tagline anything goes in the world of Models

2250
01:54:33,439 --> 01:54:36,960
and things like that or something or something like that,

2251
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:38,039
because these were always.

2252
01:54:38,039 --> 01:54:40,159
Speaker 5: Because this was a world of exotic I'm sure if

2253
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:42,359
you look for a world of exotic models, you'd probably

2254
01:54:42,359 --> 01:54:42,760
find it.

2255
01:54:43,359 --> 01:54:46,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, exotic models. You could probably come up with like

2256
01:54:46,399 --> 01:54:50,760
a couple things like that, but yeah, standard two weeks.

2257
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:55,199
Shelley Wilson apparently only played paid fifteen hundred flat rental

2258
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:57,880
for those two weeks. Normally.

2259
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 2: That's about it, all right, Joel, Well, we will stay

2260
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,159
tuned to see what who gets back to you, if

2261
01:55:05,199 --> 01:55:06,479
anybody casey.

2262
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,760
Speaker 5: I know, I'm hopefully for some more get some sleep

2263
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:12,039
elements in the Joel story. I know it's I mean,

2264
01:55:12,079 --> 01:55:17,119
it really is bothering me, just because even the family

2265
01:55:17,159 --> 01:55:18,920
of it all, like even even the fact that it's

2266
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,079
not mentioned, and like the family his surviving family's obituar,

2267
01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:25,000
He's just like, Wow, he really was just erased completely.

2268
01:55:25,079 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 4: But it also says a lot that his brother care

2269
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:30,680
enough to keep on hanging on to that negative exactly

2270
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:32,479
because what you're going to do with the negative you

2271
01:55:32,479 --> 01:55:34,560
can't even watch it exactly.

2272
01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:37,359
Speaker 5: And all that all that ship was one lot of

2273
01:55:37,399 --> 01:55:40,039
all of Joel's stuff, just in one collection. And I

2274
01:55:40,399 --> 01:55:41,920
want to know who bought it because I want to

2275
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:44,439
know who I need to harass to get it, because yeah,

2276
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:46,279
it has to be somebody who knew what it was.

2277
01:55:46,479 --> 01:55:49,359
Speaker 2: Did you find that auction listing that you were looking for?

2278
01:55:49,479 --> 01:55:51,760
Speaker 5: No, I emailed them and asked for it because it's

2279
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:54,119
off line. So I emailed them and if they don't

2280
01:55:54,119 --> 01:55:56,119
get back with him, want to call him and be like,

2281
01:55:56,199 --> 01:55:57,399
I need to know this info piece.

2282
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, this man does not need this negat

2283
01:56:00,039 --> 01:56:03,720
of what's he doing? But come on. It was even

2284
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,840
on one of the regular auction sites that like sells

2285
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:10,439
paper and stuff. It was random auction site.

2286
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, with Duncan's auction in Central Florida.

2287
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:18,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, what film's never seen a show up over there? Huh?

2288
01:56:19,279 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 2: All right, we'll stay tuned on that. Yeah. Maybe the

2289
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:24,720
saga of Joel is not over yet. We will see,

2290
01:56:26,039 --> 01:56:29,239
hope not. Thanks for coming on with us, Alex, helping

2291
01:56:29,319 --> 01:56:34,880
us out with Stanbardon and talking through too exciting films.

2292
01:56:35,479 --> 01:56:39,600
Speaker 4: And no time, gentlemen, and time I can't wait to

2293
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:43,279
forget about? Please what?

2294
01:56:55,199 --> 01:57:03,359
Speaker 3: Well, very well, quite proper about what?

2295
01:57:11,359 --> 01:57:14,199
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