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<v Speaker 1>Alrighty, what is going on? Drivetime?

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday afternoon, about thirteen minutes past the hour of two o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>It is kicky and the teeth cold today.

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<v Speaker 2>About twenty two degrees right now, about twelve degrees early

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, tried to take the dog out for a walk.

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<v Speaker 2>He looked at me, He's like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>So we went back inside. But hey, happy Wednesday. Halfway

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<v Speaker 2>through that work week, one day closer to the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>And as it is every single day, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>have you along for the ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Spence checkets behind the mic. That's Porter Larson behind the glass. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>the LA Lakers are in Salt Lake City. Luka Doncic

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<v Speaker 2>is expected to play. He was listed as questionable yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>but mark Stein and others have reported today that he

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<v Speaker 2>is now upgraded to probable.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Jazz are not the storyline.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, as history continues to be made, this feels

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<v Speaker 2>pretty seismic as far as what the Lakers have been

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<v Speaker 2>able to do grabbing Luka Doncic. It's a continuation of

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<v Speaker 2>what the La Lakers have done for a number of

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<v Speaker 2>different years, grabbing stars at a premium price and allowing

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<v Speaker 2>a franchise to be among the championship contenders pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Much yearned in, year out.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll do some NBA basketball on the show today

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<v Speaker 2>with the Lakers in town to take on the Utah Jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>University of Utah men's basketball team had a real shot

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<v Speaker 2>last night. It was actually a pretty good game up

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<v Speaker 2>until the very end where it escalated quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>The game was tied at seventy two apiece.

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati went on an eleven to zero run after that

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<v Speaker 2>and took an eighty five to seventy five win over

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<v Speaker 2>the Utes back in Salt Lake City. Now coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday against Kansas and then Monday against Kansas State

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of big twelve basketball games for the

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<v Speaker 2>Utah men, who, yeah, like I said, had a shot

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<v Speaker 2>to get that win. Would have been a good win

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<v Speaker 2>on the road, but went cold down the stretch. Some

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<v Speaker 2>bad turnovers and some bad closing from the Utes. It

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<v Speaker 2>allowed Cincinnati to take the win. Bring them Young with

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<v Speaker 2>a quad one win on the road last night in

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<v Speaker 2>Morgantown beating West Virginia a really good college basketball game.

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<v Speaker 2>Diego Demon hit a big three and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>free throws, and BYU was able to get the win,

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<v Speaker 2>and as of now they are one of the four

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<v Speaker 2>last four teams in according to Joe Lonardi after getting

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<v Speaker 2>a quad one win. As the Big twelve season continues

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<v Speaker 2>to unfold, Utah Women taking on Colorado seven o'clock tonight

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<v Speaker 2>here in Salt Lake City the Huntsman Center. So we've

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<v Speaker 2>got some college basketball on the show today. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>we have some NBA basketball on the show today as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Gets ready for the Jazz game tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Look back on the NFL season that was and behind

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<v Speaker 2>us now with a Super Bowl finished, and we'll look

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<v Speaker 2>at to the offseason in pro football already a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting topics. All the coaching vacancies have been filled,

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<v Speaker 2>were high speed ahead to the NFL drafts. So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>do some football on the program today as well. Tom Homo,

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<v Speaker 2>after twenty years as the Brighamy Young Athletic Director, had

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<v Speaker 2>his press conference today.

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<v Speaker 1>Caught that earlier as I was doing some show prep.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Tom was very honest and very forthcoming about

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<v Speaker 2>the challenges that he faced during his twenty years, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a really interesting, interesting presser in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different ways. So Tom Homo steps aside

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<v Speaker 2>after twenty years down at BYU and the nationwide replacement

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<v Speaker 2>I should say the nationwide search for replacement is on.

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<v Speaker 2>As the President bringing me on, was sitting next to

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Shane, Reese and Shane talked about President Reese talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the process that they will take take on now

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<v Speaker 2>to try to replace what in many ways it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be a very very successful twenty year stretch with

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Homo at at the home. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>topics today, a lot of things to get to on

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<v Speaker 2>the program. Good guest list right out of the gates,

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<v Speaker 2>mikey amb will stop by from the NFL Network. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>do some college and pro football with Mike Neil Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, something just flew directly in my mouth that

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<v Speaker 2>felt like a Bugold, Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>We're good.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on something like Seriously, you ever been on like

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<v Speaker 2>a four wheeler a motorcycle and you're driving in like

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<v Speaker 2>a June bug flies in like dumb and dumber style.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the amount of times I ride the Jordan

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<v Speaker 3>River Trail just on my bicycle, I've consumed more bugs

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<v Speaker 3>than i'd like to count.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was really gross.

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<v Speaker 3>We can hit the instant replay.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we're good.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're watching on YouTube, if there's a replay of

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<v Speaker 2>what just flew directly in my mouth, go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>text in I'm not sure what that was, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>it hit me right in the back of the throat. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>moving on, so after Mike stops by, we'll bring in

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<v Speaker 2>Neil Smith for a little Utah Hockey Club, little NHL

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<v Speaker 2>conversation on the program today. Sean Sayed, who was a

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<v Speaker 2>guest on this show last week and essentially called the

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia Eagle blowout in the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll let Sean come on from.

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<v Speaker 2>Summer Sports and do a little bit of a victory lap,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk some offseason NFL in the program today,

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<v Speaker 2>and then our guys Smitty Richard Smith live in studio

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<v Speaker 2>for the four o'clock hour with Lebron James Lukadocs and

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<v Speaker 2>the LA Lakers in town and the All Star Break

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<v Speaker 2>upon us now in just a couple of days, Well

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<v Speaker 2>look back on it's not the first half of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>but now that we have the All Star Break coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked to Smitty about what he's seen from the Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>so far and ultimately what he's hoping to see from

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<v Speaker 2>these young kids as they move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Now for the final thirty ish games of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mike am, Neil Smith, Jean Sayad, Richard Smith, me

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<v Speaker 2>Spence check its, I'll be the great listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>And that guy PORTERA Larson who did not have a

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<v Speaker 2>bug flying Ito was throats.

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<v Speaker 1>Just now you're a Lebron guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it odd to think that the Lakers are in

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<v Speaker 2>town and Lebron is not their best player? He's not

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<v Speaker 2>now right now, Luka Doncic is a better player than

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<v Speaker 2>Lebron James. Okay, yes, nobody would would refute that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about their careers. I'm talking about today right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's an odd feeling, and I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 3>for Lebron welcomed at forty years old. And listen, this

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<v Speaker 3>is no slight to Dwayne Wade, no slight to Chris

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<v Speaker 3>Bosch or Kyrie Irving. He's never played with a Luka Doncic, right,

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<v Speaker 3>A guy. That part of that is saying, well, we've

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<v Speaker 3>never seen a player like Luca, But yeah, man, he

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<v Speaker 3>does some things that Lebron does really well and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of replicates them. And for the Lakers, that's got to

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<v Speaker 3>be welcome when you're trying to maybe limit some of

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<v Speaker 3>the minutes for a guy that's forty years old. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>why not get a guy that does a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the things he can do and might be doing it

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<v Speaker 3>for the next ten to fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've been saying since that trade went down a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago, the cruel part, if you're an NBA

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<v Speaker 2>fan or not a Lakers fan, is there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>player in pro basketball it's better equipped to take over

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<v Speaker 2>this Laker team than Luca once Lebron retires because they

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<v Speaker 2>do so many things that are similar. So Lakers in

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<v Speaker 2>Town tonight, Jazz and Action tonight. Our first guest right

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<v Speaker 2>out of the gates is going to be mikey Am.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we're gonna bring in Mike Yam, but I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk a little bit real quick, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get back to some of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Smithy will have some thoughts on it.

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<v Speaker 2>After twenty years, Tom Homo has stepped aside as the

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<v Speaker 2>athletic director down at BYU. The replacement is certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>yet identified the president. Reeche, the president of Brigham Young,

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<v Speaker 2>was sitting by Tom today during their press conference, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said that they are going to have a national

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<v Speaker 2>search and then laid out the criteria. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>essentially lead with Jesus Christ in mind. It's a faith

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<v Speaker 2>based institution. You have to align yourself with a mission

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<v Speaker 2>of Brigham Young well at the same time leading the

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<v Speaker 2>athletic department forward into whatever's next. And I think Tom

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<v Speaker 2>probably did that better than anybody could have expected. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a challenging task, and I've said oftentimes both on

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<v Speaker 2>this show and other shows I've done in the market

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<v Speaker 2>nearly twenty years now, being the athletic director of BYU,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's the hardest job in college athletics,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is among the hardest jobs. And I thought

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<v Speaker 2>Tom was very front facing and forthcoming and honest today

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<v Speaker 2>during his presson, or maybe more so than I'd ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard him before. And it's always funny when you get

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that's just retired, or you get the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that's just changed teams, then you get the real deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you actually get the story right now that they're

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<v Speaker 2>not tied down to actually tow the line and say

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<v Speaker 2>the things that they're supposed to say every time they

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<v Speaker 2>do media or every time they're front facing in public.

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<v Speaker 2>Among the most interesting things I heard from Tom today

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<v Speaker 2>during his presser is about four or five years into

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<v Speaker 2>the job. Four or five years into I guess independence

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<v Speaker 2>would be the better way to put that. He went

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<v Speaker 2>home to his wife Laurie and said, I can't do this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is too hard, you know, to navigate independence, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll continue to say this. To navigate independence, to navigate

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<v Speaker 2>everything you have to navigate as the athletic director while

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<v Speaker 2>aligning yourself to the values of a place as unique

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<v Speaker 2>and as stringent, honestly speaking as Brigham Young, is a

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<v Speaker 2>remarkable accomplishment that Tom should walk away feeling very proud of.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, of every department.

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<v Speaker 2>In you know, in the ecosystem of that university, the

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<v Speaker 2>athletic department is probably the one that does not naturally

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<v Speaker 2>align itself with the values of a faith based institution

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<v Speaker 2>more so than any other department. And that's a tricky

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<v Speaker 2>dance to dance when you're Tom Homo leading that department,

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<v Speaker 2>He hired Dave Rose, which probably Dave is the best

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<v Speaker 2>about the coaching, but only time will tell. But ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>if not the hardest jobs in all of college athletics.

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<v Speaker 2>Administration the athletic director at BYU. Man that's a tough gig,

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<v Speaker 2>and whoever's next is taking over for a legend, which

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<v Speaker 2>landing spot, which I think is the crown jewel achievement

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<v Speaker 2>of Tom Homo's tenure, will allow whoever takes over more

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<v Speaker 1>So kind of the biggest story here locally.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Holmo stepping aside from a BYU athletic director, that

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<v Speaker 2>gig that he had for twenty years, and they'll have

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<v Speaker 2>a replacement in place by late August is what I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz in action tonight taking on the LA Lakers. Luka

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<v Speaker 2>and others. So you will see Lebron, you will see Luca,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll get to that game. We'll get you ready

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<v Speaker 2>But let's do a little pro football with our guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Yam formerly the Pac twelve. That's how we got

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<v Speaker 2>to know him, and with the NFL Network. On a

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday afternoon Mike. Happy Wednesday, sir, how are you?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing great. I feel like neither one of us

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<v Speaker 6>pearl Jam better man.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm okay with that, Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>I've long said that NFL, or excuse me, fmdjs have

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<v Speaker 1>They come in, They're like.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, it's thirty degrees outside, and here's Pearl Jam. Then

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<v Speaker 2>they chill for like six or seven minutes. Unfortunately, what

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<v Speaker 1>Although you're not wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's start with the uncomfortable stuff, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a question I have for you about my freaking New

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<v Speaker 2>York Football Jets. So it looks like they are going

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<v Speaker 2>to move on from Aaron, which I applaud. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a locker room cancer and he's not good at football anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you make of where we find ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>with the Jets? What do you think is next? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think they're going to bottom out and try to

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<v Speaker 6>So this is a really big subject because if there's

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<v Speaker 7>And is it a good idea bad idea?

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<v Speaker 6>I will give them a lot of credit in this regard,

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<v Speaker 6>and you probably would agree with this. They went for it,

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<v Speaker 6>and they had a really good team a couple of

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<v Speaker 6>years ago that seemed to be deficient on the offensive side,

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<v Speaker 6>so they said, hey, what's our best option right now?

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<v Speaker 6>And they went and signed Aaron Rodgers. And I think

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<v Speaker 6>there's a couple of different ways to look at this.

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<v Speaker 6>It clearly didn't work out, and it's probably a good

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<v Speaker 6>But I will say this, they just trade for Devonte

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<v Speaker 6>Adams right and were willing to continue even as the

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<v Speaker 6>wheels were falling off, and they had fired Robert Sala

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<v Speaker 6>at that point. They said, hey, let's keep building, let's

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't enough, but I think the organization had to say

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<v Speaker 6>it in themselves. This is what Aaron Rodgers does. This

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<v Speaker 6>is the offense that he brings to the table. He's

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<v Speaker 6>at a stage in his career two years ago where

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<v Speaker 6>it's like, yo, he wants the guys that are comfortable

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<v Speaker 6>in that system, understand where they need to be when

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<v Speaker 6>they need to be there, and they're not going to

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<v Speaker 6>make a bunch of play calls. And not to go

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<v Speaker 6>on a tangent here, I was talking to a Polleague

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<v Speaker 6>of Mind and NFL network Isaiah standback and he's down

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<v Speaker 6>in that Dallas area. We were together for the Shrine

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<v Speaker 6>Bowl a couple weeks ago when the Cowboys decided to

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<v Speaker 6>go a shot and Himer and he turns to me

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<v Speaker 6>and you see, you know why this is a really

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<v Speaker 6>good move for Dak.

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<v Speaker 7>It's because he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 6>Have to worry about remaking an entire offense right and

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<v Speaker 6>like learning things from scratch, there's some continuity that is

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<v Speaker 6>going to be in place. Rich down to him are

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<v Speaker 6>in the fold, and I think the same thing could

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<v Speaker 6>be said Baron Rodgers. They try to make him as

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<v Speaker 6>comfortable as possible. Look, it didn't work out the first season,

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<v Speaker 6>gets hurt obviously, a couple snaps into the game, and

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<v Speaker 6>we're now seeing where if you're coming off an Achilles injuries,

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<v Speaker 6>sometimes you're just not going to look right, like as

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<v Speaker 6>Kirk Cousins, the Kirk Cousins that I saw for most

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<v Speaker 6>of this year, or is he closer to the one

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<v Speaker 6>that I saw two years ago. When he's really healthy,

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<v Speaker 6>I would argue, like it hurts not as bad as

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<v Speaker 6>what we witnessed there. I just don't think he was healthy.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think as Aaron Rodgers started to get a

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<v Speaker 6>start to look a little bit better, but you know,

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<v Speaker 6>a little too late, and they had to go and

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<v Speaker 6>move on.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like I'm not even answering your question here,

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<v Speaker 6>but it does feel like the Jets have two paths

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<v Speaker 6>to go. Do we rebuild in this draft and I

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<v Speaker 6>don't think that this is a great quarterback class, which

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<v Speaker 6>is what they need. Do they find that bridge guy

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<v Speaker 6>and insert him in in free agency to sort of

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<v Speaker 6>piece this thing together. Maybe, but there's a part of

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<v Speaker 6>me that says, you know, they might just try to

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Aaron's done? Do you think that's it

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<v Speaker 1>for Aaron Rodgers?

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<v Speaker 7>No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's going to be interests because of who

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<v Speaker 6>he is, and I think we saw enough flashes late

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<v Speaker 6>in the season where I think there's a team that's like,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, maybe he's got got a little left here

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<v Speaker 6>in the tank, and maybe it's good enough to bridge

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<v Speaker 6>the gap before we go to either a young quarterback

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<v Speaker 6>or we see what happens in the draft next season.

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<v Speaker 7>There's god.

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<v Speaker 6>I was talking with Brian Baldinger about this the other day.

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<v Speaker 6>You look through the top ten, you make an argument like,

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<v Speaker 6>sixty seven of those teams need a quarterback. There's not

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<v Speaker 6>six or seven first round arms in this year's draft,

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<v Speaker 6>and lord knows there's not six top ten quarterbacks in

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<v Speaker 6>this year's draft. Last year, what we saw with the

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<v Speaker 6>run of six guys going those first twelve picks, like

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<v Speaker 6>that's not going to happen again this year. At least

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<v Speaker 6>it's not my opinion that that's going to happen. And

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<v Speaker 6>if that's the case, guys like Aaron Rodgers, I think,

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<v Speaker 6>do find a home. And by the way, do you

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<v Speaker 6>think he wants to finish out this way? There's a

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<v Speaker 6>part of me that says no, like he's he wants

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<v Speaker 6>to get back out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to agree with you, and it only takes

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<v Speaker 2>one general manager to believe that. And your point about

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<v Speaker 2>going all in to at least give it a shot

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<v Speaker 2>is very fair and as Jets fan who has for

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<v Speaker 2>years wondered when they would actually do that. I will

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<v Speaker 2>admit to having some sort of excitement about the endeavor.

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<v Speaker 1>It just didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's move off the Jets, and that's actually talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the game that was played, you know, just a

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<v Speaker 2>few days back now and one hundred and thirty seven

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<v Speaker 2>point seven mili at its peak, and then you add

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<v Speaker 2>the streaming numbers and the Spanish broadcast numbers. So my

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<v Speaker 2>where they're because every year it's a new record, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going in the wrong direction. Do you think we're

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<v Speaker 2>on this trajectory where every year we're going to see

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<v Speaker 2>the audiences grow.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to say yes, because there's a huge, huge

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<v Speaker 6>the international audience and the expansion that is happening and

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<v Speaker 6>finding different markets in Europe, finding different markets in South

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<v Speaker 6>America as well. They haven't even come close to tapping

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<v Speaker 6>the Asian market, like I don't even think. I know,

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<v Speaker 6>there's an effort and there's a lot of progress that's

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<v Speaker 6>being made behind the scenes. But can you imagine globally,

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<v Speaker 6>because we talked about the NFL at least in headquarters

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<v Speaker 6>as a global sport, and I think there's a real

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<v Speaker 6>are selling out in Munich and Brazil and obviously we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to get in Ireland right now, Like that's all great,

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<v Speaker 6>but when they haven't even come close to tapping that market,

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<v Speaker 6>like I haven't heard the conversations about a game in

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<v Speaker 6>So I think that there's still a ridiculous amount of

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<v Speaker 7>You think about flag.

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<v Speaker 6>Football being included into the Olympics, I think there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a lot to be said where that audience is

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<v Speaker 6>going to continue to grow, which is mind boggling to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't love the whole like what does one

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<v Speaker 2>loss mean for a player's legacy? But I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you about the winning quarterback instead of leading

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation with the Chiefs and Mahomes because I just

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<v Speaker 2>and look, I am no NFL scout and I am

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable being an observer and having an informed opinion because

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this for a long time, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not some expert. I just was never on board with

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation about Jalen. I just wasn't like it felt

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<v Speaker 2>a great offensive line and they have probably the best

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<v Speaker 2>ago in the Super Bowl, Jalen passed for over three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred Like he can throw the football. And yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>always believed that at some point that this dude was

425
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<v Speaker 2>going to get it done. I've been a fan of

426
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<v Speaker 2>his way back in Bama when he lost his job

427
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<v Speaker 2>and stayed in college and stayed the course.

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<v Speaker 1>What did this win do for the narrative surrounding Jalen Hurts.

429
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<v Speaker 6>I think it changes it dramatically, and I think you're

430
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<v Speaker 6>hitting the nail the head and it was something that

431
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<v Speaker 6>was bothering me. I do a new podcast with Lamar Hurt,

432
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<v Speaker 6>who I know is a buddy of yours and has

433
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<v Speaker 6>probably been on the show a million times that we

434
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<v Speaker 6>were talking about it last night actually on the episode,

435
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<v Speaker 6>and I said to him, like, I got to the

436
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<v Speaker 6>point where I was really disappointed with and it's partly

437
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<v Speaker 6>my fault too, right, Like I could have spoken up

438
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<v Speaker 6>on like the five hour Super Bowl Live show that

439
00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.440
<v Speaker 6>I did last week, right, like you're doing all this

440
00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:27.720
<v Speaker 6>coverage and I'm thinking to myself, like i'd get the

441
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<v Speaker 6>low hanging fruit of legacy with Mahomes and going for

442
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<v Speaker 6>a repeat and the tailor Show Travis Kelsey situation. But

443
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<v Speaker 6>there was one point, Spence, like during the week, I

444
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<v Speaker 6>was working with David Carr and in one of our

445
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<v Speaker 6>commercial breaks, I turned to him and I just said,

446
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<v Speaker 6>do you see it the way that I see it?

447
00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:44.519
<v Speaker 6>And he looked at me and he's like, where are

448
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<v Speaker 6>you going with this? And I said, I see a

449
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<v Speaker 6>world where the Chiefs win small like, for sure they

450
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<v Speaker 6>can win this game. I mean, look at the season,

451
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<v Speaker 6>look at the team, look at my homes. Of course

452
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<v Speaker 6>they can win the Super Bowl. But I see it

453
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<v Speaker 6>where the Eagles can win a close game. But I

454
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<v Speaker 6>got to tell you, I also see the Eagles mashing

455
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<v Speaker 6>this team, and I don't see Kansas City being able

456
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<v Speaker 6>to say the same thing. And he started to laugh

457
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<v Speaker 6>and he said, I've been thinking the same thing, and

458
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<v Speaker 6>I go, I'm not going to say that on air

459
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<v Speaker 6>just because I'm the host, right, like he's the analyst.

460
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<v Speaker 6>And he did pick Philadelphia in that game. They didn't

461
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<v Speaker 6>think it was going to be a wrecking ball the

462
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<v Speaker 6>way that he didn't say it was going to be

463
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<v Speaker 6>a wrecking ball the way that it turned out. But

464
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<v Speaker 6>as Jalen Hurts is on that podium, Spence I started

465
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<v Speaker 6>thinking to myself, why not the Eagles being the new dynasty.

466
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<v Speaker 6>And I'm not suggesting Kansas City is going away. All

467
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<v Speaker 6>I'm saying is Jalen Hurts is young. Right, So they

468
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<v Speaker 6>got a guy who's in place who two years ago

469
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<v Speaker 6>was in the MVP conversation that we've built their coordinators

470
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<v Speaker 6>two seasons ago off of that loss, and it was

471
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<v Speaker 6>a bad year for Nick Sirianni.

472
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<v Speaker 7>It was on the hot seat.

473
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<v Speaker 6>People were talking about this losing his job. Now he's

474
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<v Speaker 6>a Super Bowl winner. They get stay Kwon Barkley, they

475
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<v Speaker 6>got a young defense, Like think about what Kansas City

476
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<v Speaker 6>has done.

477
00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:55.200
<v Speaker 7>They've built around the homes.

478
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<v Speaker 6>Philly got Jalen hurts. They got skill position players that

479
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<v Speaker 6>are in the fold. Kansas City kind of lost some

480
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<v Speaker 6>of those dudes. But the reason why the Chiefs were

481
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<v Speaker 6>in this game is because of their defense, fense and

482
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<v Speaker 6>what they've done in this draft. Look at what Howie

483
00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:12.480
<v Speaker 6>Roseman has done, their general manager, Eagles GM. But he's

484
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<v Speaker 6>starting to build a team that's got young studs on

485
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<v Speaker 6>the defensive side, on the front half of that, in

486
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<v Speaker 6>that front seven and in the back end. I just

487
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.279
<v Speaker 6>look at that and go, hey, really, I don't think

488
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<v Speaker 6>is going anywhere. And maybe I'm just being dramatic because

489
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<v Speaker 6>it's they're coming off the Super Bowl win, but I

490
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<v Speaker 6>really do think the framework.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Is there for this team, and that's where I wanted

492
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<v Speaker 2>to go next. And I know you got to go

493
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<v Speaker 2>in a minute. So I have one Kansas City question

494
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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 6>No got I got a couple. I get a couple,

496
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<v Speaker 6>So whatever.

497
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<v Speaker 1>You need, Okay, cool, Okay, Kennedy, I.

498
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<v Speaker 6>Just got a text at a meeting, got canceled.

499
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<v Speaker 1>Se Oh cool, okay, great more Mike am is better

500
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<v Speaker 1>for us.

501
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we talk a lot about you know,

502
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<v Speaker 2>Mahomes twenty nine Josh Allen Lamar twenty eight, Jalen's twenty

503
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<v Speaker 2>six and Sequon's twenty eight, AJ's twenty seven, DeVante's twenty six.

504
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, when you win at a high level,

505
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<v Speaker 2>you are going to lose coaches, which they have again,

506
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<v Speaker 2>and there are going to be players that need to

507
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<v Speaker 2>get paid, so they're not going to run it back entirely.

508
00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>But the bulk of their team is in place and

509
00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.039
<v Speaker 2>they are young. What are you willing to say about

510
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<v Speaker 2>what is now possible after watching them just dismantle this

511
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<v Speaker 2>modern day dynasty in Kansas City?

512
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<v Speaker 6>So do I think they can get back and win

513
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<v Speaker 6>another Super Bowl in the next two to three seasons?

514
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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I absolutely do think that that is the case.

515
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<v Speaker 6>We and you, and I don't want to put words

516
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<v Speaker 6>in your mouth that I've been on with you enough

517
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<v Speaker 6>to know kind of like we think similarly in terms

518
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:32.960
<v Speaker 6>of some of the personnel and the teams that are

519
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:34.960
<v Speaker 6>out there, Like, I don't think this is going you know,

520
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:39.440
<v Speaker 6>the hot take like the AFC has got better teams collectively.

521
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<v Speaker 6>But if you said to me, who are the most

522
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<v Speaker 6>complete teams in the NFL, two of them are in

523
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<v Speaker 6>the NFC and one is in the AFC. And that's

524
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<v Speaker 6>the Baltimore Ravens, and then I would throw the Lions

525
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<v Speaker 6>in with the Eagles.

526
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<v Speaker 4>You know.

527
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<v Speaker 6>And it's not to say that Kansas City is not good.

528
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<v Speaker 6>It's not to say Buffalo is not good, or you know,

529
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<v Speaker 6>the Houston Texans on the rise, whoever, you know what

530
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<v Speaker 6>Washington is going to end up being in the next

531
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<v Speaker 6>couple of seasons. I just think right now, based off

532
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<v Speaker 6>of those rosters, those three teams, to me, are the

533
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<v Speaker 6>most complete. And if you've got the most complete teams,

534
00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:11.279
<v Speaker 6>I think you got a chance at the end. And

535
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<v Speaker 6>to me, that's why I think Philadelphia because of some

536
00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:17.440
<v Speaker 6>of those ages that you reference, and because they have

537
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<v Speaker 6>a general manager willing to wheel and deal to get

538
00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:25.480
<v Speaker 6>this team to this point. Like the Eagles always seem

539
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.119
<v Speaker 6>to be active, always seem to pull the right strings,

540
00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 6>and it's usually not a train wreck like they don't

541
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:36.160
<v Speaker 6>have like these god awful, you know, seasons where you

542
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 6>just shake your head and go, what the heck happened?

543
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.720
<v Speaker 6>Like maybe they don't live up to the hype, but

544
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<v Speaker 6>that's why I really do think like the Eagles absolutely

545
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<v Speaker 6>are in the next the next couple of seasons.

546
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<v Speaker 2>All right, Now, let's move over to the chief side

547
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:51.000
<v Speaker 2>of this, and you know, I don't know where you

548
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:53.039
<v Speaker 2>were at Will while you were watching the game.

549
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:54.559
<v Speaker 1>I was shell shocked.

550
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:56.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought Kansas City was going to win a close

551
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.599
<v Speaker 2>one because it just got sick of I thought Buffalo,

552
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was Josh's year, just get sick of

553
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:04.519
<v Speaker 2>picking against Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. So but actually,

554
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<v Speaker 2>before we get to the Chiefs question, at what point

555
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<v Speaker 2>during the game, Mike, did you say to yourself, all Right,

556
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<v Speaker 2>that's it, that's a rap.

557
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:16.839
<v Speaker 6>So d hops drop made me think to myself, like

558
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:20.319
<v Speaker 6>this just might not be it. And obviously at the

559
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:24.079
<v Speaker 6>end of the first quarter, Patrick's eyes got I sound

560
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:25.799
<v Speaker 6>like so dramatic, dude, Like I don't need to be

561
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.720
<v Speaker 6>that guy. But they're like, like, am I the only

562
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 6>one who saw that? Like you're you're sitting there and

563
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.519
<v Speaker 6>you're you're seeing Mahomes kind of run around, and you

564
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.440
<v Speaker 6>have flashes of the you know, a Todd Bowles defense

565
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.880
<v Speaker 6>in a huge game like the Super Bowl, Just like

566
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.960
<v Speaker 6>the dude's head was on a swivel and you look

567
00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 6>at the tackles on that offensive line and they weren't

568
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.119
<v Speaker 6>holding up, and they weren't holding up even when Philly

569
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.200
<v Speaker 6>wasn't think I think I saw this, God I should.

570
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<v Speaker 6>You would think I would have gone through our postgame

571
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<v Speaker 6>research package like eight hundred times. But I'm almost positive

572
00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:01.079
<v Speaker 6>that Philly did not blitz in that game and still

573
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<v Speaker 6>was able to generate that much pressure. So when I

574
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<v Speaker 6>see Mahomes have that type of look, that's at that

575
00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:08.359
<v Speaker 6>point I was like, oh, like this, this ain't going

576
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<v Speaker 6>to be good for these dudes.

577
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, you're You're right, And he was seeing ghosts

578
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's what happens where every time you drop back,

579
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:16.599
<v Speaker 2>you're running for your life. I mean, I don't really

580
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<v Speaker 2>view this and I'm not a I don't think wins

581
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.359
<v Speaker 2>and losses are a quarterback stat That's just me. I mean,

582
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>we kind of do the thing like Mahomes was eight

583
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<v Speaker 2>to zero against Vic Fangio prior to.

584
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<v Speaker 1>The Super Bowl.

585
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.359
<v Speaker 2>But moving over to the Kansas City side, I mean,

586
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<v Speaker 2>Andy Reid's coming back next year. Mahomes is still in

587
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.400
<v Speaker 2>his twenties. We'll see what happens with Kelsey. This does

588
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>feel a little bit like the diagnosis we all did

589
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 2>after the Tampa Bay Super Bowl loss, where they couldn't

590
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>protect Mahomes at all. They obviously have offensive line issues,

591
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>but they're among the favorites in some sports books, the

592
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>favorite to win it again next year because they have

593
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred center. What does the offseason look like and

594
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 2>do you anticipate a recalibration and maybe a second or

595
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<v Speaker 2>third act with this Kansas City Chiefs team.

596
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<v Speaker 6>Look, I think they're going to be in the mix

597
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.359
<v Speaker 6>again next year because of the Mahomes factor, right, And

598
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 6>I think it's even more magnified to me. Some people

599
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 6>might say, Hey, that's a lazy take, but my pushback

600
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 6>on it would be think about what Mahomes was able

601
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:17.359
<v Speaker 6>to accomplish this year when there were clearly flaws on

602
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.039
<v Speaker 6>that team, and I think they were magnified in the

603
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 6>Super Bowl. And I think the one thing that Bert

604
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.200
<v Speaker 6>Beach is needing to sort to figure out here in

605
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.480
<v Speaker 6>the next couple weeks ahead of the draft is how

606
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:29.680
<v Speaker 6>do I fill some of these gaps? And there were

607
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.599
<v Speaker 6>gaps on that offensive line. People felt like the shift

608
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.599
<v Speaker 6>with Joe Tuni on that offensive line, moving him to

609
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.839
<v Speaker 6>the left tackle was going to be enough, and for

610
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.160
<v Speaker 6>eight weeks or so, it was, But I think we

611
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.519
<v Speaker 6>forgot what the first half of the season looked like

612
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 6>for Mahomes, interceptions were piling up, sacks were piling up

613
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:50.519
<v Speaker 6>for him, and there was an unsteady nature around this offense.

614
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 6>I think clearly they need a playmaker on that outside

615
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 6>to go along with a new Xavier Worthy de hop Unfortunately,

616
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, wasn't that guy They had to do with

617
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.759
<v Speaker 6>injuries with Hollywood Brown. You know, they need to figure

618
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 6>out that backfield, but Checko was banged up, you know,

619
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 6>like they just never really got that production. But first

620
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.279
<v Speaker 6>and foremost is how do you solidify an offensive line

621
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<v Speaker 6>in front of Patrick Mahomes? And then how do you

622
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 6>add some depth and some pieces on the offensive side,

623
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.680
<v Speaker 6>And more importantly, because it's the defense that carried them

624
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 6>these last two years, how do you make sure you're

625
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:24.759
<v Speaker 6>in a good spot. So I think you know, in

626
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 6>no particular well actually in a particular order. Offensive line's

627
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 6>got to be like first, second, and third, and then

628
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.119
<v Speaker 6>it's another playmaker, whether it's a running back or a

629
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:34.079
<v Speaker 6>wide receiver, and we got to add some depth to

630
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 6>that defense.

631
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 2>A couple of other just questions around the league. Then

632
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:39.839
<v Speaker 2>I'll set you loose, and if you need to hang

633
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.319
<v Speaker 2>up on me, Mike, you know you can in my feelings,

634
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>so I'm good.

635
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<v Speaker 7>They just swift.

636
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 6>I know, I told Porter that I had an out time,

637
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 6>but they just they shifted my meeting.

638
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 7>So like, I'm good for a few minutes. Whatever you need.

639
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, because I did want to ask you. I mean,

640
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Jayden Daniels was nearly a ute and then he ended

641
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 2>up down at Arizona State, and you were with the

642
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>network and we had him in the PAC twelve footprint

643
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and I remember watching him and being like, yeah, he's fun,

644
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he's exciting, but come on, man, like nobody saw this.

645
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 2>And I've got a buddy who's a Commanders fan, and

646
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>we kind of below our football misery with me being

647
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.039
<v Speaker 2>the Jets fan and him being the Commanders fan.

648
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>And if you're a Commanders.

649
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Fan, now they've got some work to do because he

650
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.119
<v Speaker 2>was so good. I think he was able to cover

651
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 2>up some real holes at Philly exposed. So what do

652
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>they do this offseason to make sure they do not

653
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>waste too clearly is a generational talent and attendant to that,

654
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.079
<v Speaker 2>how surprised are you to watch this kid do what

655
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 2>he's doing based off the fact that you saw the

656
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>start of his college career.

657
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.240
<v Speaker 6>I spent I was at his first start against Kent State.

658
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.480
<v Speaker 6>That was a game that was unpacked twelve Network. We

659
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 6>were doing our road show there, the first, you know,

660
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 6>true freshman to get a start in at the quarterback

661
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 6>spot for ASU, and he played. I don't remember the

662
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 6>exact numbers, but I know it through like maybe two

663
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 6>touchdowns in that game and he looked good. And it's

664
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:57.119
<v Speaker 6>funny this time last year, as he's getting ready for

665
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 6>the draft, Michael Robinson on one of my buzz and

666
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.039
<v Speaker 6>colleagues in NFL, kept telling me he's like, yo, man,

667
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 6>I think I might like him better than Caleb. And

668
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.720
<v Speaker 6>it was so hard for me to boot the skinny,

669
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 6>thin kid, who, by the way, you know, goes to

670
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 6>LSU and has eyesmen. It's not like I need to

671
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.960
<v Speaker 6>see him play really well in his last stop, but

672
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 6>it's hard sometimes to boot you those early perceptions that

673
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 6>you have of a guy.

674
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 7>He's been terrific.

675
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 6>He's the reason why people watch the draft. He's the

676
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 6>reason why there are, you know, a bunch of teams

677
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 6>in the top ten who feel like they are just

678
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 6>one player away from changing the fortunes of an entire franchise.

679
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.720
<v Speaker 6>And it's not to say that Caleb's not going to

680
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 6>be good, but we saw bo Nicks have some great

681
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.319
<v Speaker 6>flashes for a Denver team that we didn't think was

682
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:43.880
<v Speaker 6>going to be able to play as well as they did.

683
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.359
<v Speaker 6>Kudos to Sean Payton in that regard as well. The

684
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.000
<v Speaker 6>only pushback and by the way, I'm not the only

685
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 6>one saying this, and I'm not saying it's going to happen,

686
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 6>but no, Cijo Strout took a little bit of a

687
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.079
<v Speaker 6>step back, I thought this past season, and how do

688
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.240
<v Speaker 6>you ensure that that's not the case for four or

689
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 6>Jane and Daniels. I don't know what I would point

690
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 6>to other than I think some teams figured out how

691
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.400
<v Speaker 6>to make CJ a little uncomfortable. They had some real

692
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 6>injuries that they needed to navigate, and I thought that

693
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.319
<v Speaker 6>was a factor they were rushing him defenses. I felt

694
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:17.880
<v Speaker 6>like he was under more pressure this season than he

695
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 6>was in his rookie campaign. But it feels like Jane's

696
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 6>got a slightly different skill set because of his mobility,

697
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 6>what he does with his legs, where he might be

698
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.079
<v Speaker 6>able to negate some of that stuff and be just

699
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 6>as good, if not better, in year two.

700
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So you're referenced Caleb, and it's interesting.

701
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of people that have dissenting opinions

702
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>on who he can be, and I like him.

703
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot there.

704
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I know that some people don't love the perceived Prima

705
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Donna stuff or whatever.

706
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man.

707
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I think we saw a lot during his rookie year

708
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 2>that indicated that he was getting better, and now they

709
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:53.279
<v Speaker 2>bring in Ben Johnson and I don't know, Mike, it's interesting.

710
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I've never been one to like Nick Sirianni.

711
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 2>His opening press conference made us all cringe and we're like,

712
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:00.200
<v Speaker 2>is this dude okay?

713
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 1>And he just won a super Bowl.

714
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:06.279
<v Speaker 2>There just isn't anything about Ben's personality that I've seen

715
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 2>so far that makes me believe he's like a Dan

716
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Campbell culture builder. But maybe you don't have to be

717
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>because he's so brilliant offensively. How does this look now

718
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>that Chicago has an offensive minded coach for a young

719
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.559
<v Speaker 2>quarterback who I still believe can be really special.

720
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 7>Huge in such a meaningful way.

721
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.960
<v Speaker 6>I'm with you, and I think the people that I've

722
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 6>talked to around you know that team that franchise, or

723
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 6>at least know Ben. I think that's part of the concern, right,

724
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.880
<v Speaker 6>like and Ben get in a room and own it

725
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 6>the way Dan Campbell can. And by the way, he

726
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 6>doesn't need to be Dan Campbell. There's plenty of different

727
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Speaker 6>personalities that are out there. By and large, I think

728
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 6>there's so much optimism around getting an offensive guy who

729
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:55.640
<v Speaker 6>can really work and mold the guy that I thought

730
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.480
<v Speaker 6>was a generational type talent coming out of school in

731
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 6>Caleb Williams. You know, I would give this context to

732
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.960
<v Speaker 6>Jared Goff was almost left for dead, and I couldn't

733
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 6>be happier that this guy is balled out the way

734
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.359
<v Speaker 6>that he has. You know, they've had some great pieces

735
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 6>in Detroit around him, but then was able to get

736
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 6>the best out of Jared Goff. And now I think, hey,

737
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.160
<v Speaker 6>you've got a guy like Caleb Williams and there are

738
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.799
<v Speaker 6>pieces to that offense that are pretty talented. Can you

739
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 6>get this team over the hum And there's a part

740
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.599
<v Speaker 6>of me that says, you know, they're one of those

741
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 6>squads who, you know, I thought they'd be good this year.

742
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 6>Obviously there were some real struggles for him and the

743
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 6>wheels fell off for him, But I do think next

744
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.000
<v Speaker 6>year I would point to them as a team that

745
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 6>would be one of the more dangerous ones.

746
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you about another Pac twelve kid, because

747
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>as a Jets fan, I actually thought the Jets had

748
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.960
<v Speaker 2>found their future when they drafted Sam Darnold.

749
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.119
<v Speaker 1>I did not work out, and maybe that's a Jets problem.

750
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Zach Wilson's family online too, has something to

751
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>add to that. But I was very happy for Sam

752
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Speaker 2>to see what he did in Minnesota this year. Although

753
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>it didn't end the way he was expecting, it feels

754
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>like he's earned a shot somewhere.

755
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where do you think that is?

756
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 6>I think the Raiders potentially are a good fit. I

757
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.039
<v Speaker 6>know there's a lot of people pointing in a Russell

758
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 6>Wilson in that regard. I'm with you on Sam. You know,

759
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 6>I made references. I said this the other day about

760
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:21.679
<v Speaker 6>say Kwan, and someone hit me up on social media

761
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.199
<v Speaker 6>and I'm like, oh my god, Like, you guys are

762
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 6>so technical. I talked about how remember that Rulese bowl

763
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 6>I said a couple of years ago it was twenty eighteen.

764
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.880
<v Speaker 6>You know, Sorry, my frame of reference sometimes, like I

765
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 6>don't realize that I'm getting old and I'm forty three

766
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.719
<v Speaker 6>now and you know, like twenty eighteen wasn't just two

767
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.960
<v Speaker 6>years ago. I'd also argue college doesn't seem that long ago.

768
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 6>But you remember that Penn State match against that Sea

769
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.440
<v Speaker 6>and you know, just kind of like the head to

770
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 6>head stuff, and there were so much buzz around Sam,

771
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 6>and I know it didn't play out great for him

772
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:53.360
<v Speaker 6>in his NFL career, but this resurgence has been has

773
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:58.079
<v Speaker 6>been remarkable. And I do think that while the ending

774
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.599
<v Speaker 6>was not great for Sam, Kevin O'Connell and like the

775
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 6>position he was in at least in that last game

776
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 6>raised a couple eyebrows for a few of us at

777
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.920
<v Speaker 6>NFL Network as we were doing some of our shows

778
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.880
<v Speaker 6>around it. It felt like there weren't like a ton

779
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 6>of great adjustments in that game in that second half,

780
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 6>and Sam obviously struggled. But Sam deserves another opportunity. I

781
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.440
<v Speaker 6>think he gets it, And you know, do I think

782
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 6>he gets like a forty million dollar, you know deal somewhere.

783
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if that's the case, but you know, hell,

784
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, three weeks left in the season,

785
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:32.559
<v Speaker 6>it was looking like that.

786
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what he ends up getting, but.

787
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.519
<v Speaker 6>The Raiders certainly look like a team that could be

788
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 6>one of those squads that that would do.

789
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 7>Well with him.

790
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to make this a trip around nostalgic

791
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Pac twelve questions, But I have one more question for

792
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.760
<v Speaker 2>you before I say you lose, because we are in

793
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 2>a market where we have a lot of Broncos fans

794
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and I was on the sidelines when Bonick rolled into

795
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>town with the Oregon Ducks and they just dismantled the utes.

796
00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.239
<v Speaker 2>But I was pretty skeptical about Bo's potential to playfl

797
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 2>football at a high level, and I think he answered

798
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions. So I'm going to ask you

799
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the same question before I said you loose that I

800
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>asked you about Washington.

801
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ask you about Denver.

802
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>What do they need to do to make sure that

803
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:13.559
<v Speaker 2>this momentum continues to roll and make sure Bow's ready

804
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>to go for your two.

805
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 6>I don't think you're alone in your assessment and what

806
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.440
<v Speaker 6>you thought it was going to be. And you know,

807
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:22.960
<v Speaker 6>I think the two of us are sitting here going

808
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 6>doing a double take, like damn they played that well,

809
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 6>bow balled out like that. I do think another playmaker

810
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.159
<v Speaker 6>is solidifying that defense with some depth around there. There

811
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 6>were times as I watched this team and I just wondered, like, hey,

812
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 6>like what would they be with one of the more

813
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 6>talented running backs in the NFL. Did feel like bow

814
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.920
<v Speaker 6>was under a lot of pressure to deliver, and by

815
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 6>the way he did. You know, Jaden doesn't have Jaden season?

816
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 6>Well next to the guy, I mean, it's sort of

817
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.519
<v Speaker 6>the same conversation, which is how good can Washington be?

818
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 6>How good could Denver be? Well, it turns out pretty

819
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.639
<v Speaker 6>damn good. And while people wanted to see Cincinnati sink

820
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 6>into the postseason, it was Denver grabbing that last spots.

821
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 6>And kudos to that team for having that type of season.

822
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 6>But to me, I really do think another playmaker. And

823
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 6>I know we had to get to play with his

824
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 6>college buddy in Franklin, but I do think there needs

825
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 6>to be more of a conservative effort on the offensive

826
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 6>side to build.

827
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 2>A round Bow Mike, Before I set you lose, what

828
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 2>is going on? Follow back? I just followed you again

829
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.119
<v Speaker 2>on Twitter. That's so weird. I just pulled up your

830
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Twitter page and said follow back. I've been following you

831
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 2>for like five years. I don't know what the deal

832
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.320
<v Speaker 2>is anyway, Twitter. Twitter's weird. I don't know if you've

833
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>been following the news cycle about the dude the team's

834
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 2>down the company, but it's kind of a weird, weird

835
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.239
<v Speaker 2>spot for social media right now. I know they call

836
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:44.599
<v Speaker 2>it except Yeah, but before I set you lose fried

837
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Rice and Marinara, you've written a children's book and you

838
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:48.800
<v Speaker 2>also have a new podcast. So tell our listeners where

839
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:49.679
<v Speaker 2>they can go get your work.

840
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 7>No, I appreciate it, by the way, Like I didn't

841
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.440
<v Speaker 7>even follow the guy who owns I.

842
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 6>Don't want to make this political deal, but like it's

843
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 6>almost like I'm on his timeline. Like it's kind of

844
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 6>crazy to me, which is just wild. Anyway, appreciate it

845
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<v Speaker 6>as always, man you mentioned in the book, it's a

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<v Speaker 6>certainly a huge passion project for me, Privorus and Marinara.

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<v Speaker 7>It is on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 6>If anyone is purchasing a review would be amazing. I

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<v Speaker 6>do have another one coming out at the end of

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<v Speaker 6>the year. It was just corresponding with some folks about that,

851
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<v Speaker 6>got some football ties on that one, and then all

852
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<v Speaker 6>ball with Lamar Hurd, one of my best friends from

853
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<v Speaker 6>my days at Pac twelve. It is obviously the TV

854
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<v Speaker 6>analysts for the Blazers, we're doing a little West Coast,

855
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<v Speaker 6>We're doing some NML. We're doing a little MBA conversation.

856
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<v Speaker 6>It airs on the PAC twelve Conferences YouTube page and

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<v Speaker 6>you can listen to.

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<v Speaker 7>It as well.

859
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<v Speaker 6>So I appreciate you a mentally man, even just bringing

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<v Speaker 6>that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Always good to hear voice my friend. Be well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>chat soon.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, you're the best man. Take care the.

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<v Speaker 1>Great Mike Yeam.

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<v Speaker 2>was with our friends at the NFL. Always appreciate Mike's

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<v Speaker 2>bit of breaking news, only because we've been covering this

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00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 2>story quite a bit, the Department of Education has recinded

892
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the It was not a ruling. It was just a

893
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<v Speaker 2>memo sent around by the Department of Education prior to

894
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden leaving the White House and Donald Trump taking

895
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<v Speaker 2>over that NIL would be under Title nine guidelines, and

896
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.719
<v Speaker 2>that has been rescinded. We'll get back to it because

897
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 2>there is some storylines applicable to our local scene here.

898
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.480
<v Speaker 2>We're also going to bring in Neil excuse me, Richard Smith.

899
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Neil Smith's on the phone. We're bringing him in right now.

900
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.039
<v Speaker 2>But Richard Smith live in studio. He gets ready for

901
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Jazz Laker Sean saiad for some DFL. But the aforementioned

902
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Neil Smith stops by for our weekly conversation about the

903
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 2>world of professional hockey.

904
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Neil, Happy Wednesday, sir?

905
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.039
<v Speaker 4>How are you Happy Wednesday?

906
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 7>To you?

907
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 4>And there's too many Smiths, I mean, how do you

908
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 4>keep them all straight?

909
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, especially in our state. Smith is a very popular

910
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:39.280
<v Speaker 2>name in the state of Utah.

911
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:39.639
<v Speaker 7>Neil.

912
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 1>So we've got Neil Smith.

913
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Former NHL executive now Richard Smith spent forty years with

914
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the Jazz front office. I gotta know, did are you

915
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 2>a Are you a Super Bowl guy? I know you're

916
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 2>a hockey guy.

917
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Did you get not really?

918
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 4>I you know what, Spence. I was driving eleven and

919
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 4>a half hours on Sunday to go from New York

920
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 4>back home to South Carolina. So the roads were quite

921
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.239
<v Speaker 4>good because most people that have life were watching the

922
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 4>Super Bowl. But I was behind the wheel of a car.

923
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, do you are you all hockey? Do

924
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you take it any basketball or anything else? Or is

925
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.920
<v Speaker 2>it just all hockey for you.

926
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.559
<v Speaker 4>You know, don't tell your dad that I don't watch basketball. No,

927
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.119
<v Speaker 4>I mean when I was at the garden, I used

928
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 4>to love the Knicks and I and I really do

929
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 4>appreciate the athleticism a basketball boy. When you say courtside

930
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.920
<v Speaker 4>and see those guys, it's it's unbelievable. And baseball I love.

931
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't know who could grow up in North America

932
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 4>not sort of like baseball because it's, you know, the

933
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.119
<v Speaker 4>American game, and it's so easy to go to a

934
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 4>game and just enjoy yourself. You don't need, you know,

935
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 4>you don't need to really know the score, just going

936
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 4>to enjoy the day. So but I mostly, you know,

937
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 4>grew up in Canada. I'm a Canuck. I'm all hockey

938
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:56.239
<v Speaker 4>all the time.

939
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Well fair enough.

940
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Well it's good that you're all hockey all the time

941
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 2>because you are hockey experts, so we need your knowledge.

942
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 1>So four nations face off.

943
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.159
<v Speaker 2>I know it's not something that moves the needle for you,

944
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.599
<v Speaker 2>but it does allow a little bit of a respite,

945
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a reset right this time of

946
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.760
<v Speaker 2>year where the hockey clubs offer another number of days.

947
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.239
<v Speaker 2>So what do you think the boxes are they need

948
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 2>to be checked around NHL front offices with this break.

949
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.159
<v Speaker 2>Are you using it to get healthy? Are you looking

950
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 2>at your roster maybe to make some moves. What does

951
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 2>this pause and action do for the world of the

952
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 2>NHL new.

953
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 4>Well, First of all, I think that the general managers

954
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 4>that have players playing in the tournament are doing a

955
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 4>lot of praying every night that their players don't get hurt,

956
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 4>because these are their best players. And the one team

957
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 4>who's actually up at the top of the league that

958
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 4>has nobody playing in the tournament is Washington. It's amazing.

959
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:53.079
<v Speaker 4>So Chris Patrick the GM, and Spencer Carbury the coach,

960
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:55.800
<v Speaker 4>they're relieved, they go on vacation and they can just

961
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 4>enjoy watching the four Nations. But the other gms, I

962
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.639
<v Speaker 4>can tell you, are just sitting there praying that their

963
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 4>guys don't get hurt. I think for the gms that

964
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 4>aren't involved, you know, it's all of the above. It's

965
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 4>what you said. They're looking to see who they should add.

966
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.000
<v Speaker 4>Are they a seller, are they a buyer? Where have

967
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 4>they got a realistic chance? And they're evaluating their lineup

968
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 4>and they're evaluating their injuries. And this is a great

969
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 4>break for a player who's got a nagging injury to

970
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.000
<v Speaker 4>get a couple of ten days to two weeks off

971
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:33.079
<v Speaker 4>to rest and heal.

972
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 2>So, as we say here now only twenty six games

973
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>left for the Utah Hockey Club, which, honestly, is I'm

974
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 2>saying that out loud, that is wild.

975
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 1>It feels like they just landed in our market.

976
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, I wanted to do a little bit

977
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 2>of a kind of a reset and a look back

978
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>on the fifty six games that have been played here

979
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>for the Utah Hockey Club. And honestly, I'll give you

980
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of credit because they are in a spot

981
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.199
<v Speaker 2>where you told us you thought they would be.

982
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>They are right there for the wildcard.

983
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.880
<v Speaker 2>There are six points back of Vancouver, they're a full

984
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 2>nine excuse me, eleven back of Colorado. But they're right

985
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 2>where you told us you thought they would be, as

986
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 2>we are now sitting here in February, and down the

987
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 2>stretch we go. So before we look forward, let's look

988
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.719
<v Speaker 2>back on the fifty six games that have been played,

989
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.239
<v Speaker 2>the good, the bad, Your thoughts on the hockey club

990
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 2>as we sit here right now.

991
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, my good friend and partner on my podcast,

992
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.360
<v Speaker 4>Vic Morin, made up a great chart for me that

993
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 4>we're going to use on the podcast showing all the

994
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.960
<v Speaker 4>teams and how many games they have left, how many

995
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 4>home games, how many games against over five hundred teams,

996
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.440
<v Speaker 4>how many games against sub five hundred teams, playoff teams

997
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.280
<v Speaker 4>and non playoff teams, And it really gives you a

998
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.960
<v Speaker 4>great picture. I'll tell you with a quick statement about Utahn.

999
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.880
<v Speaker 4>You and I have talked about this all year. Nine

1000
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.519
<v Speaker 4>to twelve and six at home is really not going

1001
00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 4>to do it. I mean, the other there only have

1002
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 4>nine games at home. That's two less than Vancouver has

1003
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 4>at home. That's seven less than Calgary has at home,

1004
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:11.920
<v Speaker 4>three less than Saint Louis has at home, and it's

1005
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.440
<v Speaker 4>four less than Anaheim Ducks have at home. So if

1006
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 4>they were just five hundred, if they were twelve, if

1007
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.920
<v Speaker 4>they were twelve, twelve and three, you know, that's a

1008
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 4>big deal. That's an extra three point so they would

1009
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.880
<v Speaker 4>have in the standings, which would put them even closer.

1010
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:34.360
<v Speaker 4>So that being not good on home ice, which is

1011
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 4>the opposite of where they were at Mullet Arena back

1012
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 4>in Arizona, has really cost them this season.

1013
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, I know I've asked you this, But let's

1014
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.079
<v Speaker 2>dig into a little bit more because there are a

1015
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.159
<v Speaker 2>couple of things that I've noticed they really struggle with.

1016
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 2>And obviously the home ice and inability to capture maximum

1017
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.760
<v Speaker 2>points here in Salt Lake is a big problem.

1018
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>They also don't close Neil.

1019
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:58.679
<v Speaker 2>They went through the stretch where I think it was

1020
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>thirteen straight games were either tied or leading heading into

1021
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 2>the third period, and I think they had three or

1022
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>four wins during that thirteen game stretch.

1023
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 1>What gives it?

1024
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Is it, Okay, a new market, It's not an expansion team,

1025
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.000
<v Speaker 2>but it is a new home for these coaches and

1026
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 2>players in the staff.

1027
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Is it youth? Is it inexperience?

1028
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 2>Like the inability to get points at home and close

1029
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 2>out What does that say to you?

1030
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 4>What that says to me is that it's a young

1031
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 4>group and they're a nervous group. Once the other team scores,

1032
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 4>they come out early in the games and do quite well.

1033
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 4>They're fast their score. I mean, look at their last

1034
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 4>game in Washington. They got a big lead on the

1035
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 4>best team in the league, and then they were able

1036
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.559
<v Speaker 4>to come back and tie them in the last seconds

1037
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.159
<v Speaker 4>of the game, and then Utah went on to win

1038
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.280
<v Speaker 4>in the shootout, but they start what we call squeezing

1039
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.079
<v Speaker 4>your stick tighter, meaning that you get all nervous, like,

1040
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:53.639
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, here we go again. Are we going

1041
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 4>to lose again. We can't lose again. We can't lose again.

1042
00:46:56.679 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 4>That's what happens to an inexperienced team. An experienced team

1043
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:03.280
<v Speaker 4>goes up to nothing, goes up to nothing, gets a

1044
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.719
<v Speaker 4>goal scored on them. They go, so what you know,

1045
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.920
<v Speaker 4>inexperienced team is so happy that they've got the lead,

1046
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:10.639
<v Speaker 4>and then the other team scores and they go, oh

1047
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 4>my god, no, please, please, don't do this again. So

1048
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:18.400
<v Speaker 4>it's it's just a maturation process. And yeah, you're right,

1049
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 4>this is not an expansion team. It's an established team,

1050
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 4>but it's a young team and we're going to have

1051
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 4>to get experience in how to handle and protect the lead.

1052
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>You reference, you know, general managers in front offices utilizing

1053
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 2>this little break to kind of look around. The trade

1054
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.760
<v Speaker 2>deadline is March seventh, Neal, Is that right? Ver second

1055
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<v Speaker 2>week of March something like that?

1056
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<v Speaker 4>I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>So yet okay, so so Bill Armstrong right now taking

1058
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 2>this opportunity to analyze his group, and as you and

1059
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I have discussed all year, This is a club with

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00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.480
<v Speaker 2>clean books and draft capital. Should they want to make

1061
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 2>an addition to exibite the growth, they have the ability to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do that now.

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00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Bill has also talked on the record often times about

1064
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>this process and how they've been implementing the process for

1065
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 2>a number of years.

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00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:05.760
<v Speaker 1>They're not going to stray from it.

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00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 2>We had a general manager here named Dennis Lindsay from

1068
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 2>the Jazz who always said, we will not skip steps.

1069
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>We are going to do this the hard way. We're

1070
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>going to learn our lessons, we're going to grow.

1071
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<v Speaker 2>But just generally speaking, what sort of conversations you think

1072
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Bill and staff are having about the potential of adding

1073
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.079
<v Speaker 2>to the group for the stretch run.

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<v Speaker 4>And all. Honestly, and I don't want to throw water

1075
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 4>on a playoff run, but I think that where they'll

1076
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 4>be right now is they'll be talking about whether or

1077
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 4>not they can get anything back to add to this

1078
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.760
<v Speaker 4>group for the future. I don't think they'll be talking

1079
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 4>about trying to gout and get something to fortify them

1080
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.559
<v Speaker 4>for this little last run here, because time is running

1081
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 4>out quickly. As you said, they got twenty six games

1082
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:53.599
<v Speaker 4>to go, fourteen at home, twelve on the road. It's

1083
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.840
<v Speaker 4>not going to be easy at this point, and Vancouver

1084
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.840
<v Speaker 4>is the odds on favorite to get into the playoffs.

1085
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.119
<v Speaker 4>And remember, they were really good team last year. This

1086
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 4>year they've hit a lot of different self inflicted roadblocks.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think, you know, the GM Armstrong and his

1088
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 4>staff should be, you know, pre they should be moderately

1089
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.760
<v Speaker 4>happy about this season. They've come into the market, they've

1090
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.360
<v Speaker 4>had a decent year. They've kept themselves in the fight

1091
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.039
<v Speaker 4>all the time. And I'm not saying Spencer out of

1092
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:26.199
<v Speaker 4>the fight now. They should keep fighting right till the

1093
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 4>deadline comes, when they've got to make that buyer seller decision.

1094
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.079
<v Speaker 4>But I would think that they're sitting around saying, what

1095
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:36.719
<v Speaker 4>can we do to get a draft picks or young

1096
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 4>assets so that our team is fortified again for the

1097
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 4>next year and beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've talked to you about the goaltending situation,

1099
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.199
<v Speaker 2>but it just the numbers say Vimealka is the guy.

1100
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 1>The data says he is the guy.

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00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 2>And Ingram was hurt for a while and then he

1102
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 2>came back, and they're they're kind of doing the thing

1103
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>where they're rotating based off of what that game needs,

1104
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>based off of what the Knight needs. But if I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the way, I'll post the question, like if they

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<v Speaker 2>found a way to make it into the postseason where

1107
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>it's like, all right, we have to have our best

1108
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.800
<v Speaker 2>players on the ice. Do you think coach tourney simply

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<v Speaker 2>goes Vimelka based off the numbers?

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<v Speaker 1>Or because Connor was the uh, you know, the.

1111
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Kind of the guy a year ago and he was

1112
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<v Speaker 2>the incumbent to win the jobs, you think he looks

1113
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<v Speaker 2>at potentially Connor because all of the data indicates Mamelka

1114
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>has been the better goaltender all year long. If they

1115
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<v Speaker 2>made the postseason, who do you think would be there

1116
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:33.079
<v Speaker 2>in goal?

1117
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<v Speaker 4>I think the Milka just on what you said, because

1118
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.599
<v Speaker 4>coaches are going to go in the numbers, and I

1119
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<v Speaker 4>also think that the Milka is going to be the

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<v Speaker 4>guy they're going to turn to when they play the

1121
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 4>two games that they've got left against Vancouver and the

1122
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 4>important games like beating Calgary, beating Sonola's, beating Anaheim. In

1123
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.320
<v Speaker 4>the games they've got remaining, that's when you want to

1124
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<v Speaker 4>have your best out there, and I think the Milka

1125
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 4>has been the best. Now having said that, here is

1126
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:05.000
<v Speaker 4>a question for Bill Armstrong. The Milk is an unrestricted

1127
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.960
<v Speaker 4>free agent at the end of the year, So do

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00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 4>they get him signed and make sure that he's coming

1129
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.559
<v Speaker 4>back to Utah, or do they see if anybody needs

1130
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:17.519
<v Speaker 4>a real good backup that's going into the playoffs, that

1131
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 4>maybe has got an injury to their backup or maybe

1132
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.320
<v Speaker 4>has a problem. You're not going to trade them as

1133
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 4>a number one going into the playoffs, but you might

1134
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 4>be able to find a team that needs a real

1135
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 4>quality backup. Do they move them or do they sign

1136
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.800
<v Speaker 4>them and keep them in Utah. That's something I certainly

1137
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 4>can't answer, but I do know he has played. He's

1138
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.440
<v Speaker 4>been the best go attender this year in my opinion,

1139
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:47.079
<v Speaker 4>and I think he has You know, he's an unrestricted guy,

1140
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.480
<v Speaker 4>so they got to decide what is the future for Tural.

1141
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Curious as to moving away from Utah Hockey Club as

1142
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>we have this trade deadline now, you know, still a

1143
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 2>few weeks away, which teams, Neil, are you hearing that

1144
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Speaker 2>would be active and which players do you think are

1145
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Speaker 2>available that could be moved prior to that March deadline

1146
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.599
<v Speaker 2>That actually could change the scope of the league.

1147
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's hard to figure out who's going

1148
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.320
<v Speaker 4>to be active when the deadline comes, you know, coming

1149
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.880
<v Speaker 4>up to the deadline, because it's always the best teams

1150
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:22.480
<v Speaker 4>that are going to be the most active and take

1151
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 4>the biggest swing of the bat at the plate because

1152
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 4>they've got a chance to win it. And so I

1153
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.239
<v Speaker 4>would think that the Washington Capitals and the Winnipeg Jets

1154
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.119
<v Speaker 4>are going to try to fortify what they've got, which

1155
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:41.119
<v Speaker 4>means that they could go, for example, and we're talking

1156
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:44.840
<v Speaker 4>to Utah, so let's look at Utah. They could come

1157
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:48.920
<v Speaker 4>to Utah and say, you know, Bukestad, do you have

1158
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 4>any interest in you know, what are I got to

1159
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 4>give you the buke Stad or what have I got

1160
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 4>to give you for Kerkfoot. Those are two guys that

1161
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 4>Utah has as unrestricted free agents at the end of

1162
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:03.039
<v Speaker 4>this season. So that's you know, that's where those top

1163
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.719
<v Speaker 4>teams and the playoff teams will be trying to fortify

1164
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.119
<v Speaker 4>for this run right now. I mean, maybe if Fortuso

1165
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 4>comes off the ir he's a guy that won a

1166
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.679
<v Speaker 4>Stanley Cup with Saint Louis back in eighteen, maybe he'd

1167
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.199
<v Speaker 4>be a guy that someone would warrant as a depth

1168
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.400
<v Speaker 4>defenseman because you can never have enough when the playoffs start.

1169
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:26.039
<v Speaker 4>But that's that's what the teams that are in the

1170
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.239
<v Speaker 4>mix are going to be looking to add. The teams

1171
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.000
<v Speaker 4>that aren't in the mix are obviously looking to get

1172
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.159
<v Speaker 4>whatever they can for their UFAs.

1173
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<v Speaker 2>All Right, I have a little fun question I want

1174
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.119
<v Speaker 2>to end with, but before we get there, I'm going

1175
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 2>to ask you, if you had to pick right now

1176
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.360
<v Speaker 2>in the East and the West, your two favorite teams

1177
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.159
<v Speaker 2>to advance and play for the Stanley Cup, one team

1178
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:46.960
<v Speaker 2>from the East, one team from the West.

1179
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 4>And why, oh boy, Well, from the West, I'm going

1180
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.280
<v Speaker 4>to say Winnipeg only because they've had this unbelievable year

1181
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.360
<v Speaker 4>and last year they got knocked out early and I

1182
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.719
<v Speaker 4>think they've learned from that. They've got the best schoolie

1183
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.599
<v Speaker 4>in the league. So I'll take Winnipeg in the West,

1184
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.920
<v Speaker 4>even though Edmonton's a great team and we all know

1185
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.840
<v Speaker 4>that Connor McDavid and Leon Tricedel and all that. And

1186
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:16.000
<v Speaker 4>in the East, I'm going to go back to Florida,

1187
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 4>even though Washington's had this great year. I think Florida

1188
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.559
<v Speaker 4>is a veteran team. They've been there, they know how

1189
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 4>to get there. I'd say it's going to come down

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00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:29.360
<v Speaker 4>to between Washington and Florida, And at the end of

1191
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.480
<v Speaker 4>the day, I think Florida would win that last round.

1192
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:34.360
<v Speaker 4>But that's that's splitting here. You know it's going to

1193
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.800
<v Speaker 4>be one of those two, I think against Winnipeg, all.

1194
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, Moving over to the question, I wanted to kind

1195
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 2>of kick the tires with you on before I set

1196
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 2>you loose.

1197
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<v Speaker 1>On a Wednesday, you know, the Lakers are in town.

1198
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Luka Doncic, I can't believe I'm saying that, but Luka Doncic,

1199
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Lebron James on the same team. Lakers are in town,

1200
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.280
<v Speaker 2>and the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks is under

1201
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 2>a tremendous amount of heats after moving on from a

1202
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.960
<v Speaker 2>generational player at the agent twenty five, I wanted to know, Neil,

1203
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:07.039
<v Speaker 2>what one transaction that you made as a roster constructor

1204
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:11.840
<v Speaker 2>in the NHL, Which one transaction gave you the most anxiety,

1205
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Like there's a lot riding on this and you decided

1206
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 2>to go with it anyway because your gut told you

1207
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 2>to do it.

1208
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<v Speaker 1>Is there one that comes to mind?

1209
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<v Speaker 4>I would say the one that was the one that

1210
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:31.400
<v Speaker 4>was the most gave me the most anxiety, gave me

1211
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:33.960
<v Speaker 4>the best results, and that was trading for Mark Mesia

1212
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 4>back in ninety one, who was a generational player who

1213
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 4>won six Stanley Cups. But I did trade two young

1214
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:48.480
<v Speaker 4>players and Bernie Nichols, who was a seventy goal scorer

1215
00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 4>for the LA Kings at one time, to Edmonton, and

1216
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.599
<v Speaker 4>I trusted that Mark still had it at his age

1217
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:00.239
<v Speaker 4>to lead us and to get us there. And did

1218
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.239
<v Speaker 4>he ever. I mean, he did more than I would

1219
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.719
<v Speaker 4>ever have hoped for. But it did. When you talk

1220
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 4>about that feeling that you get when you push the

1221
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:11.159
<v Speaker 4>button on a big trade and you know, if it

1222
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:13.840
<v Speaker 4>doesn't work, guess who's going to get their head cut off.

1223
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.440
<v Speaker 4>It's going to be you. I mean, that's the one

1224
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.880
<v Speaker 4>that probably caused me the most anxiety.

1225
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.800
<v Speaker 2>And that one worked out just fine. Neil, There's no

1226
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>doubt about that. Before I say you lose, and it

1227
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.119
<v Speaker 2>may be the answer to this question may include the

1228
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<v Speaker 2>player you just alluded to the best duo all time,

1229
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:36.199
<v Speaker 2>two players playing together in NHL history, Because we have

1230
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Luke and Lebron and I best best duo and you

1231
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 2>can give us a couple of examples. I mean, there

1232
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.440
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of options here, but in your opinion,

1233
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.280
<v Speaker 2>the best duo who played together in the history of

1234
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 2>pro hockey.

1235
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.800
<v Speaker 4>I guess I got to say Gretzky and Missy in Edmonton.

1236
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:56.519
<v Speaker 4>You know, they won four Stanley Cups together. I'm sure

1237
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.079
<v Speaker 4>there were guys on the Islanders who won four Stanley

1238
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.800
<v Speaker 4>Cups when you win Trotcy and pot Than and Bossy

1239
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.920
<v Speaker 4>and those guys, and then the great Montreal teams at

1240
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.039
<v Speaker 4>one four in a row at the you know, at

1241
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.159
<v Speaker 4>the very end of the seventies there with Lafleur and

1242
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:12.679
<v Speaker 4>the great defense they had, and Ken Dryden and net

1243
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot. There's a lot there. Bobby Or and

1244
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.639
<v Speaker 4>Phil Esposito in the early seventies when they won two

1245
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.920
<v Speaker 4>Cups for Boston. There's been quite a few. You know,

1246
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 4>we have more players that are active during the game

1247
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.320
<v Speaker 4>in hockey than you do in basketball. So two star

1248
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 4>players in basketball is probably like four star players in hockey,

1249
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:37.440
<v Speaker 4>because you know, we're going on and off the ice

1250
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:39.800
<v Speaker 4>a lot more than the basketball players are.

1251
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:43.320
<v Speaker 2>All right, Neil, where can our new hockey listeners in

1252
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.199
<v Speaker 2>our hockey market find that podcast to yours?

1253
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:55.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, you can find it on any podcast platform, Apple, Spotify, iHeartRadio, YouTube,

1254
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Speaker 4>if you want to look at us you can read

1255
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:01.119
<v Speaker 4>every edition of our show is on YouTube and everyone

1256
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:05.119
<v Speaker 4>is on our website, which is NHL Wraparound dot com.

1257
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.280
<v Speaker 4>I hope the good folks of Salt Lake will give

1258
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:10.920
<v Speaker 4>it a try and subscribe and like it and all

1259
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 4>that good stuff. And I got to tell you, it's

1260
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 4>been fun doing this all season. I'm really looking forward

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<v Speaker 4>to to going forward with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Neil, thank you sir for the time. Have a great

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<v Speaker 2>week ahead and we will get you on soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, thank you. Spince all right, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Great Neil Smith general manager back in the day of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rangers the Islanders, spent a number of years with

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Wings as well. Got a great podcast. NHL

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<v Speaker 2>Wraparound dot com is where you find it. LA Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>are in town tonight to take on to Utah.

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<v Speaker 5>Jazz.

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00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Luka Doncic will play.

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<v Speaker 2>He was listed as questionable yesterday, upgraded it probable about

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<v Speaker 2>two hours ago or so. So Jazz Lakers tonight, Lebron

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00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:51.039
<v Speaker 2>James intown, Luka Doncic in town and the Jazz.

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<v Speaker 1>Will be there too.

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00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.039
<v Speaker 2>But obviously the storyline certainly is with the Lakers side

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00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:57.920
<v Speaker 2>of things. But we'll do some pro football now. Friend

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<v Speaker 2>of the show joined us last week prior to the

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl. Well, and now I'm bringing them on to brag.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Sayad Suomer Sports Sean, Happy Wednesday, buddy, how are you.

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00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 7>It feels good.

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00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.119
<v Speaker 8>You know, it's not just about being right, it's about

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00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 8>the process, it's about the analysis. I do feel good

1284
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:14.719
<v Speaker 8>about you having to come on the show. Predicted that

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00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:16.920
<v Speaker 8>Eagles win. Certainly I think a little bit different and

1286
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 8>then most people would have expected in terms of how

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<v Speaker 8>it looked. But for me, it was still a fun game.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not sure I who it was.

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<v Speaker 2>For you, well, certainly you called it, and I wanted

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00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to bring you on to kind of reflect on exactly

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00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.679
<v Speaker 2>what you saw and then talk about the game, how

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00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:33.639
<v Speaker 2>it unfolded, and whether or not it kind of went

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<v Speaker 2>into lockstep with what you were expecting.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, it did in terms of the way that

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00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:41.880
<v Speaker 8>the Eagles defense approached the Kansas City Chiefs. Where the

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00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:45.320
<v Speaker 8>Eagles defensive plans, it was not particularly complicated. We're going

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00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.199
<v Speaker 8>to play a bunch of zone coverage. We're going to

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<v Speaker 8>make you make the right decision over and over again.

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<v Speaker 8>Just rush four guys, send zero total blitz is an

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<v Speaker 8>entire game. I mean, that is Vic Banjo, the defensive

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00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 8>coordinators approach two games in general, so I could feel,

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00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 8>you know, how that was.

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00:59:59.119 --> 00:59:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Where I didn't.

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00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:02.800
<v Speaker 8>Expect was, you know, really Zach Bond interception that pick

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01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.559
<v Speaker 8>six from Cooper Dejene, where you're making the play that

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01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:07.840
<v Speaker 8>I mean, Mahomes is throwing that ball because you have

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01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:09.960
<v Speaker 8>no business being in that spot, just based on how

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01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.400
<v Speaker 8>everything played out. So I thought it was an excellent

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<v Speaker 8>example of the Eagles really really just hitting the highest

1310
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:17.719
<v Speaker 8>level of their people where I think at their best

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01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 8>defensive line play this entire season. I mean, Josh What

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01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:22.760
<v Speaker 8>may have played the best game of his career. So

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not going to pretend like I would have predicted

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<v Speaker 8>all of that. I'm not going to pretend like I

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<v Speaker 8>would have predicted the final score in that game. But

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<v Speaker 8>the way the Eagles.

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01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:30.599
<v Speaker 7>Came in, I mean, it.

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<v Speaker 8>Is what we talked about last week in kind of

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<v Speaker 8>how they approached the Chiefs.

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<v Speaker 2>At what point I've been asking all of my NFL

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01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.639
<v Speaker 2>guests so far this week the same question. When did

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<v Speaker 2>you and again, I know you predicted Philly was going

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01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:44.760
<v Speaker 2>to win the thing, but while you were watching the

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<v Speaker 2>game out, what point did.

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<v Speaker 1>You say, Okay, that's a wrap, they're not coming back.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think that when I started to get the thoughts.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, honestly, it wasn't until after the like kind

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<v Speaker 8>of middle east of the third quarter, because you go

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<v Speaker 8>into the half twenty four or nothing, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>it's really really hard to come back from that. But

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<v Speaker 8>Mahomes has literally done that before against the textans of

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01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:08.079
<v Speaker 8>fears out, so I didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 7>Count it out.

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<v Speaker 8>But you could start to feel it pretty early on

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<v Speaker 8>just I mean the first third down or the Eagles

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<v Speaker 8>are making it really hard on the Chiefs. Cooper degen

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01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:19.199
<v Speaker 8>is being super physical, kind of pushing around Travis Kelcey

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<v Speaker 8>a little bit. You can start to feel it. You

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01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.760
<v Speaker 8>can start to see it. You see even when Sekwon

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<v Speaker 8>Barkley is not brisen off big runs, Jalen Hurts, just

1341
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.639
<v Speaker 8>getting rid of the ball, playing super comfortable, playing on time,

1342
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.880
<v Speaker 8>start to feel but look, I'm back in the back

1343
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 8>of my mind, I need I need to see double zero,

1344
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.519
<v Speaker 8>you know, to tle Patrick Mahomes out. So really it

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01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.039
<v Speaker 8>was once you got in that middle of the third quarter,

1346
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:41.840
<v Speaker 8>I've had Devonda Smith touchdown. I was like, all right,

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01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:43.599
<v Speaker 8>I don't need to be silly anymore, there's no way

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01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:45.039
<v Speaker 8>these guys are going to be able to come back.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know you've already touched on the defensive game

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01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:51.119
<v Speaker 2>plans schematically from Vic Fangio prior to Sunday, as you

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01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.679
<v Speaker 2>and I talked about last week, Patrick Mahomes eight and

1352
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.280
<v Speaker 2>oh against Vic Fangio. So let's dig a little bit deeper.

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01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Did did Vic Fangio do anything different this time around?

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01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Or was it just kind of the classic schematic attack

1355
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:06.719
<v Speaker 2>that he always likes to implement. But he has the

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01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:09.320
<v Speaker 2>horses now and Kansas City couldn't.

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<v Speaker 8>Keep up, So it was a little bit of you know,

1358
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 8>some stuff was the same, some stuff was different. They

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01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:16.440
<v Speaker 8>play a little bit of a different coverage. They really,

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01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:20.960
<v Speaker 8>you know, prioritize having multiple people watching Travis Pelsey, even

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01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.199
<v Speaker 8>if they're not in a dedicated kind of bracket or

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01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:25.960
<v Speaker 8>a double team. And the way that the pass rush

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01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:28.440
<v Speaker 8>was working, where instead of you know, being a fast

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01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.960
<v Speaker 8>guy running outside that offensive tackle, they were running straight

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01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:34.440
<v Speaker 8>through those guys and that you know, closes the areas

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01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:36.920
<v Speaker 8>for Mahomes to be able to scramble a little bit.

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<v Speaker 8>So I really enjoyed seeing that just from an overall

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01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:41.800
<v Speaker 8>pass rushing plan for the Eagles. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 8>a good job. I mean, I actually I felt like

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<v Speaker 8>Andy Reid didn't do the best job in the game

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<v Speaker 8>where we didn't think of maybe an example or two

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<v Speaker 8>where they're getting the ball a little bit further down

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<v Speaker 8>the field. Obviously we have that drop the Hopkins. Of course,

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<v Speaker 8>some of those touchdowns coming later in the game. I

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01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.400
<v Speaker 8>would have really liked to see him just literally, you know,

1376
01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.559
<v Speaker 8>pick the fat, throw the ball to the outside, make

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01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.280
<v Speaker 8>those warnerback to tackle over and over because the way

1378
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:04.719
<v Speaker 8>that Fandia was playing, it would have required that. And

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01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.000
<v Speaker 8>we saw I think the future down thirty four to

1380
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:08.960
<v Speaker 8>nothing by this time. But you know, zabywhere that you

1381
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.599
<v Speaker 8>catch a quick throwing on Mitchell Tantaple, you you're able

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01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:13.400
<v Speaker 8>to get yards. I think, you know, maybe turning that

1383
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:16.119
<v Speaker 8>a little bit earlier would have not won the game,

1384
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:17.639
<v Speaker 8>but I think it would have made it a bit closer.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to follow up, even though you just alluded

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01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.480
<v Speaker 2>to my follow up question, did you see because one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why I picked Kansas City in a

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01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:30.119
<v Speaker 2>close one like most of America, is Andy and Mahomes

1389
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:33.239
<v Speaker 2>typically figured out. Andy Reid makes the adjustments Mahomes finds

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01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:33.760
<v Speaker 2>a way to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Did at any point outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Of what you just alluded to, because look, you know

1393
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:40.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people say, well they didn't run the football. Well,

1394
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.840
<v Speaker 2>you're down big, so you've got to get chunk plays

1395
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.760
<v Speaker 2>and you have to rely on a generational talent in

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01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Patrick Mahomes. But was there anything specifically, Sean that you

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01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.519
<v Speaker 2>saw Kansas City tried to do that simply just didn't work.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, it felt like every single thing that they

1399
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:56.719
<v Speaker 8>were really trying to.

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<v Speaker 7>Do didn't work.

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01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:59.760
<v Speaker 8>Where you can't throw the ball picked because the defensive

1402
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:01.679
<v Speaker 8>is really good and coverage, you can't throw the ball

1403
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:03.719
<v Speaker 8>in your immediate because guys are dropping passes. You can't

1404
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.000
<v Speaker 8>throw the ball deep because your offensive line is not

1405
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.239
<v Speaker 8>holding up enough from a home to be able to

1406
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:10.760
<v Speaker 8>take that extra step and let that thing flop. So

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<v Speaker 8>it really felt like none of that was able to

1408
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:15.079
<v Speaker 8>work at all. And you mentioned, yeah, it would be

1409
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:17.360
<v Speaker 8>nice if you could run the ball. You know, there's

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01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:19.400
<v Speaker 8>a clip of Nolan Smith putting Tray Smith like on

1411
01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:21.639
<v Speaker 8>his are really pushing him far back. I mean, the

1412
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:24.440
<v Speaker 8>Eagles were more physical than the Chiefs were upfront. They

1413
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.360
<v Speaker 8>really were able to push them around. I'm not really

1414
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:29.119
<v Speaker 8>sure if any plan would have worked on that day.

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01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:29.679
<v Speaker 4>It felt like the.

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01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 8>Eagles really came in so locked into a personal thing

1417
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.800
<v Speaker 8>that the Chiefs were doing, So I'm not even sure

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01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:37.679
<v Speaker 8>like you see some of those kind of second and

1419
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:39.400
<v Speaker 8>a half adjustments. I guess you call them that for

1420
01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:41.760
<v Speaker 8>the Chiefs, but I mean, when you're down that big,

1421
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:43.960
<v Speaker 8>it's such a big hell to climb, and it just

1422
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.599
<v Speaker 8>felt like, you know, the team or the better aster

1423
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:48.440
<v Speaker 8>from top to bottom ended up winning here.

1424
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Let's move over to the other side.

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01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:54.199
<v Speaker 2>What did Steve Spagnolo try to do defensively? Because look,

1426
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City, over the course of their recalibration of just

1427
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of changing their approach, they're probably based off personnel

1428
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:04.239
<v Speaker 2>one a lot of games this year based off of

1429
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Steve Spagnolo on that defense, it just did not do

1430
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:10.360
<v Speaker 2>much of anything to provide pushback against Philly. What did

1431
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Spagnolo try to do and how did Philly counter that

1432
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:14.639
<v Speaker 2>to make it ineffective?

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<v Speaker 8>Spagnola, I thought.

1434
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:19.199
<v Speaker 7>Really approached this game in the exact right way.

1435
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:22.400
<v Speaker 8>Sae Kwon Barkley was largely shut down. I think when

1436
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:24.679
<v Speaker 8>you look at the Eagles how they's played the entire season.

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01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.239
<v Speaker 8>That is what you want to start with, and so

1438
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:30.800
<v Speaker 8>for them to have that success is a really good thing. Now,

1439
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.559
<v Speaker 8>the problem is that Jalen Hurts has had the best

1440
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 8>game of his career where the best two games or

1441
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:37.239
<v Speaker 8>maybe two of three games in his career have been

1442
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.960
<v Speaker 8>this game and then the NFC Championship game. So when

1443
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.199
<v Speaker 8>you look at how the Eagles looked in week eight,

1444
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:44.880
<v Speaker 8>in Week ten, you know, it didn't feel if Kirts

1445
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:45.880
<v Speaker 8>was going to be able to do this.

1446
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:46.960
<v Speaker 7>So I think the approach was.

1447
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.079
<v Speaker 8>Really exactly correct. And as you got later and later

1448
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:51.920
<v Speaker 8>you are able to get a blitz that ends up

1449
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 8>getting a sack. But for Hurts to play at that

1450
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:56.920
<v Speaker 8>high of a level and really take everything that Stags

1451
01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:58.760
<v Speaker 8>is trying to do and throw it right back in

1452
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.280
<v Speaker 8>his space by making those quick throws, by turning some

1453
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:04.280
<v Speaker 8>of those escapes into throws to receivers instead of just

1454
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.079
<v Speaker 8>you know, you're spinning around in a circle.

1455
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:06.519
<v Speaker 7>You end up sack.

1456
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:09.079
<v Speaker 8>And for him to be confident and quickness process I

1457
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.639
<v Speaker 8>thought was super impressive. So I was, overall, you know,

1458
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:14.719
<v Speaker 8>pretty fine, it's back as approach. I think the bigger

1459
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.360
<v Speaker 8>takeaway it's Hurts really really stepping up to the moment,

1460
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:18.480
<v Speaker 8>what sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of because a lot of the conversations, certainly around prior

1462
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.719
<v Speaker 2>to the game was the questions that a lot of

1463
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:26.599
<v Speaker 2>people had about Jalen and the questions that a lot

1464
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:28.039
<v Speaker 2>of people had about Nick Sirianni.

1465
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:30.880
<v Speaker 1>So I already asked you about the Jaalen portion of this?

1466
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:35.119
<v Speaker 2>What sort of questions did Nick Sirianni answer as a

1467
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl winning head coach?

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01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:36.639
<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean it is it's so fun to think about

1470
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.840
<v Speaker 8>just his story. Fun for me to think about it

1471
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 8>from the outset. I can't imagine it was that fun

1472
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:47.280
<v Speaker 8>for him going through it. There was like legitimate, totally

1473
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:49.880
<v Speaker 8>like reasonable calls at the beginning of this year, like

1474
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:51.800
<v Speaker 8>are they going to bring Sirianni back? What does he

1475
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:53.840
<v Speaker 8>do for this team? After a week four, going to

1476
01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:55.639
<v Speaker 8>the bye week, you know thoughts of all, right, well,

1477
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:57.840
<v Speaker 8>this guy's gonna get fired and be an offensive. It

1478
01:06:57.880 --> 01:06:59.480
<v Speaker 8>sits in somewhere next year where he's never going to

1479
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 8>be able to get his chance again. I just think

1480
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:05.159
<v Speaker 8>that there are things that happen in an NFL locker room,

1481
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.039
<v Speaker 8>in the NFL building that a head coach is responsible

1482
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:10.519
<v Speaker 8>for that it is unquantifiable and you start to hear

1483
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:13.360
<v Speaker 8>some of the stories come out, whether it's Who're on

1484
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:16.239
<v Speaker 8>writing his handwritten note Siseeah Rodgers who mixed the season

1485
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:18.559
<v Speaker 8>for a gambling subspension, whether it's you know, talking to

1486
01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:20.840
<v Speaker 8>na Kobe Dean after his injury and figuring out different

1487
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:23.400
<v Speaker 8>things to get him in the best spot. And I

1488
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:26.320
<v Speaker 8>mean you think about the locker room overall. Obviously these

1489
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.039
<v Speaker 8>are incredibly talented players, there's still personalities right where Adie

1490
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.199
<v Speaker 8>Brown had early in the game or earlier in the season,

1491
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:34.199
<v Speaker 8>he had said out loud and he said the correct thing,

1492
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:36.480
<v Speaker 8>like what's not working. It's the passing game. It's there

1493
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:39.000
<v Speaker 8>for him to be able to navigate all that, for

1494
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:41.239
<v Speaker 8>him to be able to navigate his relationship with Jalea

1495
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:43.719
<v Speaker 8>hurts where you know sometimes in the media it hurts.

1496
01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:46.960
<v Speaker 8>Is like not that he is unfriendly to the media,

1497
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:48.440
<v Speaker 8>but I think he's trying to, you know, get through

1498
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:50.280
<v Speaker 8>his day. He's trying to get back to the real

1499
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:51.960
<v Speaker 8>hard work of it all. So I just think Syriann,

1500
01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:54.719
<v Speaker 8>he does deserve credit. Now, what is it exactly for?

1501
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:56.679
<v Speaker 8>I think it is some of those kind of human

1502
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.559
<v Speaker 8>human aspects that we just don't get to see unless

1503
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.440
<v Speaker 8>like you see that the way that he high fives

1504
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:03.360
<v Speaker 8>his players on on the sidelines, or you see the

1505
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.159
<v Speaker 8>way that the players do take on that personality a

1506
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:11.199
<v Speaker 8>little bit where Suriani is gonna like almost like you

1507
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:13.800
<v Speaker 8>have a shield for other players. Where there was a

1508
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:16.279
<v Speaker 8>game last year against the Seahawks where Hurts and ager

1509
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.600
<v Speaker 8>Brown make this kind of odd decision for a specific

1510
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:21.880
<v Speaker 8>player ends up as interception and seriality just goes up

1511
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:23.560
<v Speaker 8>to the media. It's like, look, that was my call,

1512
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.600
<v Speaker 8>and how do I want people to lie to the media, know,

1513
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:29.439
<v Speaker 8>not necessarily, but for him to take the fall on

1514
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:31.520
<v Speaker 8>that and to kind of make himself look like a

1515
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:33.640
<v Speaker 8>little bit of a fool in that situation for his

1516
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:36.119
<v Speaker 8>players to be able to, you know, just continue to

1517
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:38.840
<v Speaker 8>work on what they need to work on. So seeing

1518
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.920
<v Speaker 8>that for Sirianni, it's got to feel awesome, because, look,

1519
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.640
<v Speaker 8>no one can ever remove Super Bowl champion head coach

1520
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:45.399
<v Speaker 8>from his resume.

1521
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:48.960
<v Speaker 2>So when you win, you're gonna lose coaches and you're

1522
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna lose probably players and want to get paid. So

1523
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Kellen Moore bounces to take the Saints job. Uh, what

1524
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:56.960
<v Speaker 2>what sort of hole does that leave? And who do

1525
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:58.840
<v Speaker 2>you think do you just give me some candidates to

1526
01:08:58.880 --> 01:08:59.560
<v Speaker 2>take that gig.

1527
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.279
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and more leaving well, when Johns and Gannon had

1528
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:06.000
<v Speaker 8>left over their last Super Bowl, if the Eagles were

1529
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.960
<v Speaker 8>like kind of unprepared for it just based on a

1530
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.039
<v Speaker 8>communication with Gannon for what they thought was going to happen.

1531
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:14.960
<v Speaker 8>So they've been ready for this eventuality. So Kevin Patula

1532
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.880
<v Speaker 8>is one guy in house that they certainly like. He'll

1533
01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:20.720
<v Speaker 8>get some sort of look. I think Dradd Johnson quarterbacks

1534
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:22.880
<v Speaker 8>coach or Texan is a guy who will end up

1535
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:24.800
<v Speaker 8>getting an interview if they're doing a full interview. I

1536
01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:27.520
<v Speaker 8>assudn't have to do in the interview process Jess because

1537
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:30.239
<v Speaker 8>he was someone that also interviewed with them previously. There's

1538
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:33.760
<v Speaker 8>a few other internal candidates, you know. For the situation overall,

1539
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:36.000
<v Speaker 8>it's it's kind of a dream job. You have the

1540
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.079
<v Speaker 8>best offensive line in the league, you have a super

1541
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:40.880
<v Speaker 8>Bowl VT quarterback, and you have a very good running back.

1542
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.039
<v Speaker 8>You have really good receivers. So all the things are

1543
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:46.840
<v Speaker 8>there that I hope that they go outside the building.

1544
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:49.479
<v Speaker 8>I think that's my initial leading just so you can

1545
01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:50.319
<v Speaker 8>get a little.

1546
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:50.720
<v Speaker 7>Bit more creative.

1547
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:52.359
<v Speaker 4>You can move that offense.

1548
01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:54.520
<v Speaker 8>Forward where look, the way that say Klon Barkley ran

1549
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:57.119
<v Speaker 8>this year. I think he's going to be fantastic. It's

1550
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.279
<v Speaker 8>not like he's older. He's asking to be able to

1551
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:01.640
<v Speaker 8>do it. There is a chance so just based on

1552
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:03.680
<v Speaker 8>variants that you're not able to hit all the home

1553
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:05.920
<v Speaker 8>run So I would love to see even like a

1554
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:08.279
<v Speaker 8>guy like Key Martin, the quarterbacks coach in Baltimore, who

1555
01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:11.800
<v Speaker 8>we've seen Lamar Jackson continue to evolve as a passer

1556
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 8>really and to bring in a guy like that, I

1557
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:15.399
<v Speaker 8>think could be a lot of fun.

1558
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:18.600
<v Speaker 2>So one more thing on the Eagles, and I've got

1559
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.600
<v Speaker 2>a couple of other big picture NFL questions, and I've asked,

1560
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:23.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, the NFL guys who have stopped by this

1561
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 2>week kind of this similar question because when you look

1562
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.760
<v Speaker 2>at the landscape of the league, we often talk about,

1563
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:32.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, guys like Lamar and Josh Allen and Patrick

1564
01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Mahomes in their late twenties, Jalen's twenty six and Saquon's

1565
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:40.439
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight. AJ Brown is twenty seven, DeVante Smith is

1566
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty six, And yes, they have some decisions to make

1567
01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:46.720
<v Speaker 2>on other pieces, but the main portion of this roster

1568
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:50.000
<v Speaker 2>is either in or entering their prime. And I'm not

1569
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:52.479
<v Speaker 2>a hyperbolic radio host, but what are you willing to

1570
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:56.680
<v Speaker 2>say about potentially the type of I don't know, era

1571
01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:59.239
<v Speaker 2>of Eagles football that we're in for. Should they be

1572
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:00.960
<v Speaker 2>able to keep the ball this team together for a

1573
01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:01.920
<v Speaker 2>number of years.

1574
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:05.439
<v Speaker 8>I mean, it really is looking pretty good, and I

1575
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:07.279
<v Speaker 8>think that is for a few reasons. Then you look

1576
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:10.920
<v Speaker 8>at the way that Howard Rosman, that Jeffrey Laurie as

1577
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.920
<v Speaker 8>the owner, the way that they handle contracts.

1578
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:15.000
<v Speaker 4>Is so so smart.

1579
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:16.760
<v Speaker 8>They do pay guys a little bit early. I'm like,

1580
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:18.560
<v Speaker 8>you have to hit on some of those, right because

1581
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:20.279
<v Speaker 8>you know, you can pay a receiver ask for one

1582
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:22.560
<v Speaker 8>good year. If they're not good in that second and

1583
01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:24.039
<v Speaker 8>third year, it really comes back.

1584
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:24.399
<v Speaker 7>To bite you.

1585
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:27.439
<v Speaker 8>But you know, Devonte Smith, Agri Brown are look already

1586
01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:29.880
<v Speaker 8>under contract, Jalen Hurt already under contract. So to be

1587
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.079
<v Speaker 8>able to take care of those guys already and then

1588
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:35.279
<v Speaker 8>pay Dickerson Jurgens like you're taking care of really really

1589
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:38.720
<v Speaker 8>core aspects of your team pretty early. Their defensive spending

1590
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:40.960
<v Speaker 8>is not that high. So I'm actually very interested to

1591
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.359
<v Speaker 8>see what this offseason looks like for that where they're

1592
01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:45.399
<v Speaker 8>going to probably lose mill and Williams. There's a good

1593
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.960
<v Speaker 8>chance they lose that bond. Darius Slaves getting a little

1594
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:50.199
<v Speaker 8>bit older. I think when I look ahead to next year,

1595
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 8>I always think, well what about You know, a specific

1596
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.560
<v Speaker 8>team is more likely to look a little bit closer

1597
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:58.560
<v Speaker 8>to average, whether that's something that's not good or something

1598
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:02.439
<v Speaker 8>that's very good. It's so hard to reheat as the

1599
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:06.600
<v Speaker 8>top defense by statistics year after year. I love Vic Fangio,

1600
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:09.239
<v Speaker 8>you know so much, and watching this defense. I really

1601
01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:11.800
<v Speaker 8>enjoyed going through this roster. You still have Dylan Carter,

1602
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:13.359
<v Speaker 8>you have the genie in year two, you have Mitchell

1603
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:16.000
<v Speaker 8>in year two. You have so much talent on that team.

1604
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.239
<v Speaker 8>Sometimes fifty fifty balls just end up at touchdowns instead

1605
01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:22.000
<v Speaker 8>of interceptions or incompletion. So, you know, I just worry

1606
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.640
<v Speaker 8>about this the coin flip and just appreciating how many

1607
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:26.439
<v Speaker 8>things have to happen for you to be able to,

1608
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:28.000
<v Speaker 8>you know, climb that top of the mount. And of

1609
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:30.319
<v Speaker 8>course you know the commanders and Jayson Daniels, they're they're

1610
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.359
<v Speaker 8>really going to be pushing. But this team is in

1611
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.279
<v Speaker 8>like a good financial health situation where you will see

1612
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:38.439
<v Speaker 8>things about people saying, oh, you know, like the bill's

1613
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:40.239
<v Speaker 8>gonna come due eventually, and you know that can be true.

1614
01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:42.239
<v Speaker 8>Like players, we're gonna get a little bit older. It's

1615
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:43.840
<v Speaker 8>not gonna happen for a little bit though, They're going

1616
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:45.760
<v Speaker 8>to keep you know, you push that, you kick the

1617
01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:48.119
<v Speaker 8>can down the road in terms of having to, you know,

1618
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:50.479
<v Speaker 8>have this kind of salary account blow up, You're able

1619
01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:52.319
<v Speaker 8>to kind of manipulate it in a few different ways

1620
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:54.119
<v Speaker 8>that I just wish other teams would do that in

1621
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.279
<v Speaker 8>the same way. You know, teams just should, like if

1622
01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:58.800
<v Speaker 8>you learn anything from the Evils model, it should be

1623
01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:01.439
<v Speaker 8>that because you're gonna have to pay multiple players a

1624
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:02.960
<v Speaker 8>lot of money, it's not a league where you can

1625
01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:05.520
<v Speaker 8>afford to not do that. So I'm excited to see

1626
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:07.239
<v Speaker 8>what the Eagles look like going forward. I really just

1627
01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:09.880
<v Speaker 8>want to see Gillen Hurt continue to grow. You know,

1628
01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:12.319
<v Speaker 8>he unfortunately is going to have another new offensive coordinator

1629
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.640
<v Speaker 8>as you just mentioned. I want to see him as

1630
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:17.720
<v Speaker 8>a really really positive passer going into next season.

1631
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.439
<v Speaker 2>Certainly, it would be a fools out Aaron to believe

1632
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:23.479
<v Speaker 2>the Kansas City is done, you know, with their quarterback

1633
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:27.600
<v Speaker 2>in his twenties and a transcendent generational head coach Kelsey

1634
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.760
<v Speaker 2>thirty five, Maybe it's it for you know, you know,

1635
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:32.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's it for him. What does the offseason look

1636
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:35.560
<v Speaker 2>like in Kansas City to ensure that they continue to.

1637
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Capitalize on a generational talent under center?

1638
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:40.279
<v Speaker 8>Well, a big thing is going to be what you

1639
01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:43.159
<v Speaker 8>do with that offensive lot where you had problems that

1640
01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:46.760
<v Speaker 8>both pfle stops the entire season. Your star right guard

1641
01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:48.119
<v Speaker 8>is going to be a free agent and is going

1642
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:50.039
<v Speaker 8>to get paid a lot of money by someone that

1643
01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:52.800
<v Speaker 8>may be someone other than you. And as you mentioned,

1644
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:55.159
<v Speaker 8>you know, Kelsey, whatever, even if he does come back,

1645
01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:57.359
<v Speaker 8>he's not a player that is going to be, you know,

1646
01:13:57.399 --> 01:13:59.199
<v Speaker 8>looking the same early in the season as he is

1647
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.199
<v Speaker 8>later in the season. So he made a puge heart.

1648
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:03.479
<v Speaker 8>I'm going to talk about what's gonna happen with Chris Jones.

1649
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:05.359
<v Speaker 8>I do think Chris Jones still has a lot of

1650
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:07.560
<v Speaker 8>good football played. And as you mentioned, it's so hard

1651
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:08.840
<v Speaker 8>to like bet against Patrick Mahomes.

1652
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:09.680
<v Speaker 7>What are we doing here?

1653
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:13.119
<v Speaker 8>We got not lucky or unlucky, but yeah, it happened

1654
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:14.720
<v Speaker 8>in the Super Bowl. I do think they're going to

1655
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:17.039
<v Speaker 8>come back. I want to see this team though, like

1656
01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:19.760
<v Speaker 8>get to kind of another iteration of their offense. I

1657
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.319
<v Speaker 8>really like watching Xavier Worthy grow over the last few weeks.

1658
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:25.079
<v Speaker 8>We saw it, you know, in kind of garbage time

1659
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:27.800
<v Speaker 8>in that Super Bowl. This guy can run by every

1660
01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.840
<v Speaker 8>single player on every single team, and Patrick Maholmes can

1661
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.680
<v Speaker 8>throw it exactly where it needs to be in no situation.

1662
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:35.560
<v Speaker 8>So I actually want to see this offense get back

1663
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:38.279
<v Speaker 8>to a little bit more of that downfield attack as

1664
01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:40.920
<v Speaker 8>opposed to like, you know, we're just gonna get five

1665
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.920
<v Speaker 8>yards on the inside runs. We're gonna throw the ball

1666
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:44.720
<v Speaker 8>quick and that, and you know it really starts with

1667
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:45.520
<v Speaker 8>that offensive lick.

1668
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.600
<v Speaker 2>So I will take advantage of having a smart football

1669
01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:50.520
<v Speaker 2>guy in the show to ask you about my Jets

1670
01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:52.439
<v Speaker 2>who it looks like they're going to move on from

1671
01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers and thank goodness, he's a locker room cancer

1672
01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:57.119
<v Speaker 2>and he's bad at football.

1673
01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:59.039
<v Speaker 1>So what's what's next for my guys?

1674
01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Give me a little hope, and not even hope for

1675
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:03.000
<v Speaker 2>next year, because they're not going to be in it

1676
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:05.359
<v Speaker 2>next year, but maybe hope that there's a plan in

1677
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:08.439
<v Speaker 2>place that at some point there'll be a competitive NFL

1678
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:09.159
<v Speaker 2>football team.

1679
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:11.880
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean, I mean even on the just at

1680
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:14.159
<v Speaker 8>the high level. I enjoy, you know, the hires that

1681
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 8>they were able to make. I think Aaron glennments definitely

1682
01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:18.000
<v Speaker 8>have the right kind of person that you want to bring.

1683
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:21.359
<v Speaker 8>I really really like Ken Rank from the offensive coordinator

1684
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:23.279
<v Speaker 8>they have there, the work that he did in a

1685
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:25.479
<v Speaker 8>trout with Ben Johnson. I think that's the right direction.

1686
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.399
<v Speaker 8>You have a very talented roster, like I don't want

1687
01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:31.159
<v Speaker 8>us to forget that where guys at Quinna Williams Safs

1688
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.479
<v Speaker 8>Gardner on defense, of course, I think the offensive line,

1689
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:36.279
<v Speaker 8>you know, but there are some some positive spots on there.

1690
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:39.680
<v Speaker 8>I think that the decision to say, hey, like Aaron,

1691
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:43.000
<v Speaker 8>like you know, we're moving forward. That's also to me

1692
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:46.319
<v Speaker 8>a signal of a smart organization just based on where

1693
01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:48.640
<v Speaker 8>Rogers is, based on what it means for the Teamal

1694
01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.279
<v Speaker 8>is it you have to have a year of Tyrod Taylor.

1695
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:53.319
<v Speaker 8>Everything's getting in solved, you know. I don't want to

1696
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:55.079
<v Speaker 8>tell you to not watch football next season, like there

1697
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:57.359
<v Speaker 8>is a chance that it's going to be a little

1698
01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:59.479
<v Speaker 8>bit of a tough ride. I grew up in the area,

1699
01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:01.520
<v Speaker 8>so I understan in how many times you have to

1700
01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:03.960
<v Speaker 8>hear like Jeff's rebuild Jeffs rebuild. I think when you

1701
01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.079
<v Speaker 8>look at some of the hires that they made up

1702
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.399
<v Speaker 8>and down and even like the senior advisors and things

1703
01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:11.600
<v Speaker 8>like that, where you're bringing people with experience, I think

1704
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.359
<v Speaker 8>just in the right areas, it gets me excited at

1705
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:18.000
<v Speaker 8>that level. Now it really is gonna pend how things

1706
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:20.199
<v Speaker 8>happen on the field where you're obviously in a division

1707
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:22.680
<v Speaker 8>where no, you're going to be looking at Josh Allen

1708
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:23.640
<v Speaker 8>a whole heck of a lot.

1709
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:27.920
<v Speaker 2>So let me just kick the tires with little offseason stuff.

1710
01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Big names that you think could be on the move.

1711
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I am curious as to your take on Sam Darnold,

1712
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.039
<v Speaker 2>who once upon a time actually thought was the answer

1713
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:38.159
<v Speaker 2>for my team under center. But teams out there that

1714
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:40.239
<v Speaker 2>are maybe a piece or two away names that could

1715
01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:42.079
<v Speaker 2>be on the move and offseason ahead, what do you

1716
01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:42.680
<v Speaker 2>think it looks like.

1717
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:45.319
<v Speaker 7>I mean some of the big tradens.

1718
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:46.960
<v Speaker 8>Of course, Key Higgens is going to be a big

1719
01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:49.720
<v Speaker 8>one if the Bengals aren't able to figure it out.

1720
01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:51.399
<v Speaker 8>Tray Smith, as I mentioned though, I mean he's a

1721
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:54.399
<v Speaker 8>really really good guard from the Tone City Chiefs. I mean,

1722
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:56.279
<v Speaker 8>those are those guys I think the Patriots would have

1723
01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:59.000
<v Speaker 8>circle just because you're trying to fill so many holes

1724
01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:00.840
<v Speaker 8>on your roster. I think when you look at you know,

1725
01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:03.079
<v Speaker 8>DJ reads from your jet, there's a chance that he

1726
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:05.720
<v Speaker 8>ends up somewhere else. Is he ending up in San Francisco?

1727
01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:08.279
<v Speaker 8>I think where Darnald ends up will be fascinating. He

1728
01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:10.319
<v Speaker 8>it feels like it could be a situation. I don't know.

1729
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:12.960
<v Speaker 8>Maybe's it Las Vegas just a place where you have

1730
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:16.399
<v Speaker 8>the kind of holdover quarterback another year. I think Josh Sweat,

1731
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:18.920
<v Speaker 8>you know, is it Arizona. I think a guy like

1732
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:21.359
<v Speaker 8>Milan Williams is coming off at Super Bowl is the charge?

1733
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:24.399
<v Speaker 8>Adding agency is exciting even if there's not you know,

1734
01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:27.920
<v Speaker 8>one hundred names that you can't wait to look at,

1735
01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:30.960
<v Speaker 8>but like crazy, it's just so important, Like you want

1736
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.000
<v Speaker 8>to fill your roster to the point where you go

1737
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:36.159
<v Speaker 8>into the draft and can actually just choose the most

1738
01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:38.920
<v Speaker 8>talented player instead of choosing a player and say, hey,

1739
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:41.319
<v Speaker 8>if we don't, you know, hit on our right guard

1740
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:43.720
<v Speaker 8>in the draft, our team is totally foiled. I think

1741
01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:45.960
<v Speaker 8>it'll be interesting to see, you know, what teams are making,

1742
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:48.159
<v Speaker 8>what mover in attatches to move that happened, you know

1743
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:51.399
<v Speaker 8>immediately when kind of those transactions are able to start

1744
01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:54.159
<v Speaker 8>happening sometimes a little bit later in free agency as well.

1745
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Last thing, shanat Sachelers, give me the coaching higher you

1746
01:17:57.960 --> 01:17:59.800
<v Speaker 2>like the most, and the coaching higher the left.

1747
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Scratching your head.

1748
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:03.600
<v Speaker 8>Okay, so this is this is a good and I

1749
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:07.039
<v Speaker 8>think the easy one to point at as the scratching

1750
01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:11.399
<v Speaker 8>your head one is Dallas with Schottenheimer at the same time, like, yeah,

1751
01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:14.439
<v Speaker 8>do we expect Dallas to do? I guess anything that

1752
01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:17.359
<v Speaker 8>would would be like a process that we would love.

1753
01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:18.039
<v Speaker 7>Probably not.

1754
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.319
<v Speaker 8>I think that maybe there were a few other names.

1755
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:22.560
<v Speaker 8>I think that was more of a process based one.

1756
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:24.840
<v Speaker 8>I would have liked to see, you know, interviews just

1757
01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:27.920
<v Speaker 8>kind of in different directions. I think that in terms

1758
01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.239
<v Speaker 8>of the ones that I like, you know, Ben Jonson

1759
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.640
<v Speaker 8>is an easy I really do like Liam Collen in Jobson,

1760
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:34.479
<v Speaker 8>But I think that one is a fun one. I

1761
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.800
<v Speaker 8>think it's the right bet to make. I am a

1762
01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:38.880
<v Speaker 8>little bit biased. You know, you want the young offensive

1763
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.720
<v Speaker 8>coordinator type person to be running your organization. I just

1764
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:45.279
<v Speaker 8>still believe in Trevor Lawrence. I think what Cohen gave

1765
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.600
<v Speaker 8>in Tampa Bay with Jaker Maseld and really Morphing his

1766
01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:51.000
<v Speaker 8>offense from a little bit more, uh, you know, in

1767
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:53.399
<v Speaker 8>their run game that really really evolved over time. So

1768
01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:55.640
<v Speaker 8>I think that I'm excited about that now. I think

1769
01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:58.039
<v Speaker 8>one of my favorite things about head coaching hires, there's

1770
01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:01.159
<v Speaker 8>a chance that like Schoenheimer is the best head coach

1771
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:04.439
<v Speaker 8>that ever existed. We just don't know until we're able

1772
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:06.359
<v Speaker 8>to see it. So I'm excited for Colling as the

1773
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:08.359
<v Speaker 8>chance it doesn't work out, but that's probably my favorite

1774
01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:10.439
<v Speaker 8>one where Ben Jonson think is also an easy answer

1775
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:11.600
<v Speaker 8>as well, Sean.

1776
01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Where can people go find your work?

1777
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:12.800
<v Speaker 5>Bud?

1778
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:16.000
<v Speaker 8>You can follow me on Twitter at Science Teams and

1779
01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:18.680
<v Speaker 8>just put out a little article just about a big

1780
01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:21.000
<v Speaker 8>fan jo which he's meant to be, and my career,

1781
01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:23.960
<v Speaker 8>and also just about his entire season. So always appreciate

1782
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:25.560
<v Speaker 8>the fallow. I'm gonna do a lot of free agency

1783
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:27.399
<v Speaker 8>stuff with Zimmer Sports thee offseason.

1784
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, my friend. Appreciate the time. Be well with

1785
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:29.920
<v Speaker 1>chat soon.

1786
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:32.039
<v Speaker 8>Okay, so much appreciate it.

1787
01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Sean Saya joined us last week. He was the one

1788
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:36.600
<v Speaker 2>NFL guest we had that was like this could get

1789
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:39.600
<v Speaker 2>loose man, Philly could smoke him, and they certainly did

1790
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:42.039
<v Speaker 2>so appreciate Sean time. Today, we're gonna bring in Smitty

1791
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:44.359
<v Speaker 2>coming up on the other side for an entire hour.

1792
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:47.319
<v Speaker 2>We'll do a little Jazz Lakers, we'll do a little

1793
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.199
<v Speaker 2>NBA Big Picture stuff as we're high speed out of

1794
01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:52.199
<v Speaker 2>the All Star break, and then we'll launch you at

1795
01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:53.760
<v Speaker 2>the five o'clock hour of the program, We're going to

1796
01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:55.960
<v Speaker 2>say too night on a Wednesday at six o'clock. But

1797
01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.239
<v Speaker 2>it's time now for your chance to win Utah men's

1798
01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:02.199
<v Speaker 2>basketball tickets. Text youths right now. That's utes to three three,

1799
01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:04.359
<v Speaker 2>nine eight six. Text utes to three three and nine

1800
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:06.880
<v Speaker 2>eight six for your chance to win tickets to see

1801
01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:09.279
<v Speaker 2>the Utah men's basketball program. How do you feel that

1802
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:11.279
<v Speaker 2>most every NFL guest we have and I'm like, hey,

1803
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:13.279
<v Speaker 2>which coaching hired do you hate the most, they all

1804
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:14.039
<v Speaker 2>say shot and Ira.

1805
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:19.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm kind of with them just and it's not

1806
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.960
<v Speaker 3>because I don't like Shoddy.

1807
01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh I forgot we call him Shotty.

1808
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:28.279
<v Speaker 3>It's more because of what was on the table the

1809
01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.319
<v Speaker 3>last calendar two years and who the Dallas Cowboys are

1810
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:33.800
<v Speaker 3>and should be. And that's that's kind of where I'm

1811
01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:37.279
<v Speaker 3>at with it. It's it's a lukewarm higher even though

1812
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.560
<v Speaker 3>I have I would say cautious optimism that it'll be

1813
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:45.439
<v Speaker 3>better than the McCarthy era, which, no, I don't know

1814
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:46.239
<v Speaker 3>how high that bar is.

1815
01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know it's not a low bar. He wasn't

1816
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:52.439
<v Speaker 2>a disaster wins at least. Yeah, he wasn't a disaster.

1817
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:55.159
<v Speaker 2>I think you and I should be allowed to pick

1818
01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.319
<v Speaker 2>new football teams. Do you have any desires we're allowed?

1819
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any desire? You're gonna ride with the Cowboys?

1820
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because that's kind of a family thing for you, right, Yeah.

1821
01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:07.039
<v Speaker 3>No, I'll be I'll be complaining about the Cowboys offseason

1822
01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:08.640
<v Speaker 3>until the bitter end.

1823
01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:10.479
<v Speaker 1>When I was home for the Super Bowl.

1824
01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Is fun because we were watching the game with like

1825
01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:15.239
<v Speaker 2>all my little nieces and nephews and my sister Lily,

1826
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:18.439
<v Speaker 2>who runs sports issues. She's done very well. She turned

1827
01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:19.800
<v Speaker 2>to me and she said, do you really cheer for

1828
01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:23.640
<v Speaker 2>the Jets? Like, well, yeah, I mean they've always been

1829
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:25.279
<v Speaker 2>my team since I was ten years old. She's like,

1830
01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you should be allowed to pick a new team. I'm

1831
01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:28.640
<v Speaker 2>considering the Rams.

1832
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I like it.

1833
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.159
<v Speaker 2>I like the Rams. I like the way they played.

1834
01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:34.600
<v Speaker 2>It might be a bad time because they're about to

1835
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:36.800
<v Speaker 2>do a little pivot. I think Stafford's gone. They're trading

1836
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:41.079
<v Speaker 2>Cooper cup. We got a little local flavor with Puca, right,

1837
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.359
<v Speaker 2>so I'm considering the Rams some local flavor.

1838
01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:45.880
<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of local flavor in Denver, in Detroit.

1839
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:46.239
<v Speaker 1>I can't.

1840
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't do the I can't do the Broncos. Dude,

1841
01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:50.560
<v Speaker 2>shout out to our guy, Garrett Bowles front of the show.

1842
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.119
<v Speaker 2>But I you know, utah utah UTNFL kind of minor

1843
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>league system with Barton and everything. But I just I

1844
01:21:57.079 --> 01:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>can't do the Broncos. There are too many Bronco fans

1845
01:21:59.039 --> 01:21:59.520
<v Speaker 2>in Salt Lake.

1846
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:01.760
<v Speaker 3>You got to another option in New York. Not a

1847
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:02.279
<v Speaker 3>great option.

1848
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh man.

1849
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I can't go from the Jets to the Giants. That's

1850
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:06.960
<v Speaker 2>like the ultimate Benedict Arnold move.

1851
01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:08.199
<v Speaker 3>The Bills are a good organization.

1852
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:09.920
<v Speaker 1>The Bills usually some good teams.

1853
01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:10.880
<v Speaker 3>They might win once.

1854
01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:14.279
<v Speaker 1>At Dalton Cole. Like the Bills.

1855
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.560
<v Speaker 3>The Jets, Hey, Tyrod Taylor might be your starter.

1856
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Did you stop it? There's nothing, It doesn't matter who

1857
01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:22.720
<v Speaker 2>it is, Okay. The Jets are one of these organizations

1858
01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:24.039
<v Speaker 2>that will simply never be good.

1859
01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:29.239
<v Speaker 3>They just want I'm you're not wrong, but Tyrod is

1860
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:32.640
<v Speaker 3>your starter Week one next year? Maybe step up.

1861
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather have Tyrod Taylor and Aaron Rodgers me too,

1862
01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:36.319
<v Speaker 2>so too.

1863
01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:37.439
<v Speaker 1>It's a tough scene.

1864
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:40.520
<v Speaker 2>So I texted Border today and I said, look, the

1865
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Lakers are in town, which means I only want stars

1866
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:46.680
<v Speaker 2>on the show. I want superstars, I want celebrities. I

1867
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:48.640
<v Speaker 2>want heavy hitters. When the Lakers are here, we have

1868
01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:51.720
<v Speaker 2>to bring in the heaviest of hitters, the biggest stars

1869
01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:53.600
<v Speaker 2>that we have in our rolodex. So, of course, for

1870
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the next hour, the superstar himself, Richard Smith is live

1871
01:22:57.960 --> 01:22:58.399
<v Speaker 2>in studio.

1872
01:22:58.439 --> 01:22:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Hello, Smitty.

1873
01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:01.359
<v Speaker 5>So then so then Porter texted you back, said, no,

1874
01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:05.079
<v Speaker 5>we're all out. I got nothing else. So we're at

1875
01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.279
<v Speaker 5>the bottom of the barrel. This is all I got.

1876
01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:09.600
<v Speaker 5>You take it, or you leave it, or we're off

1877
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:10.600
<v Speaker 5>the air or whatever.

1878
01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:11.039
<v Speaker 7>This is.

1879
01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:12.359
<v Speaker 1>This is the top of the barrel.

1880
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:16.359
<v Speaker 5>So Spen's like you always do. You come through and go, hey,

1881
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.119
<v Speaker 5>I'll take the last the last piece of candy in

1882
01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:21.920
<v Speaker 5>the barrel. I don't care whoever, it.

1883
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Is not at all, not at all.

1884
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:25.159
<v Speaker 5>How you doing, We're doing great, We're doing great.

1885
01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:26.680
<v Speaker 1>You watch the Super Bowl.

1886
01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:29.000
<v Speaker 5>I did watch the Super bowl, you know, you know,

1887
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:31.119
<v Speaker 5>we have a family thing we've been doing for years.

1888
01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:33.920
<v Speaker 5>My nephew has a great home where he has one

1889
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:38.000
<v Speaker 5>of those big new theater rooms and all that, and

1890
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.720
<v Speaker 5>you know, big heavy hitter type stuff, and and he

1891
01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:46.359
<v Speaker 5>put together a like a bingo card that everybody could play,

1892
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:49.279
<v Speaker 5>and they were all different, you know, so that every

1893
01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:52.399
<v Speaker 5>square was like, uh, you know, missed field goal to

1894
01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:56.479
<v Speaker 5>the right, you know, or fumble recovered by the offense

1895
01:23:56.720 --> 01:24:00.159
<v Speaker 5>or whatever it was. And so everybody was engaged in

1896
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.840
<v Speaker 5>that all all all all game long, and it came

1897
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:05.359
<v Speaker 5>down right to the right to the end, and I

1898
01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:08.800
<v Speaker 5>had I had my whole card completed except for one

1899
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:13.880
<v Speaker 5>one square and that was the missfield goal, which it

1900
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:17.840
<v Speaker 5>wasn't any missfield goal, right, But we were arguing the

1901
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:20.600
<v Speaker 5>fact that earlier in the game, if you remember, one

1902
01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:25.840
<v Speaker 5>of the long sideline passes resulted in a passing apference

1903
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:30.000
<v Speaker 5>and and I said, well, the passing apference was because

1904
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:33.960
<v Speaker 5>the guy grabbed his face mask. That's a face mask.

1905
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.880
<v Speaker 5>And I have a square on my card that says

1906
01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:41.479
<v Speaker 5>penalty by face mask. I said, that's a penalty. No, no,

1907
01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:43.760
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't. They didn't call a face mask. They said

1908
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:46.600
<v Speaker 5>it was passing apference. I said it was passing apference

1909
01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:50.479
<v Speaker 5>because he grabbed his face right. That was no, No,

1910
01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:53.199
<v Speaker 5>that that doesn't you know. So this is the kind

1911
01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:56.680
<v Speaker 5>of family arguments you get, you know, when the big

1912
01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:59.920
<v Speaker 5>candy bar is on the line for the winner.

1913
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:03.079
<v Speaker 2>I know, yeah, No, I feel like you have a

1914
01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>legitimate beef there. Oh, Dave mcmitiman's on TV's in Salt

1915
01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Lake front of the show. Uh, a consistent guest of

1916
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:10.119
<v Speaker 2>the show. I'm sure he's not thrilled to be in

1917
01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:12.640
<v Speaker 2>saul Lake when it's ten degrees outside. You know, it's

1918
01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:16.520
<v Speaker 2>funny because I talk a lot about I'm fascinated by

1919
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:20.479
<v Speaker 2>like ratings in the business of sports and how certain

1920
01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:23.279
<v Speaker 2>leagues and certain products have captured the market share that

1921
01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:23.600
<v Speaker 2>they have.

1922
01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:25.039
<v Speaker 1>It's always been interesting to me.

1923
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:29.239
<v Speaker 2>And the NFL just set another record for viewership with

1924
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the Super Bowl. Fox reported a peak in the second

1925
01:25:32.039 --> 01:25:34.800
<v Speaker 2>quarter when it was still close ish of one hundred

1926
01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and thirty seven point seven million viewers on Linard television.

1927
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Streaming numbers were close to fifteen mil. The Spanish broadcast

1928
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.239
<v Speaker 2>got close to two. So some quick math, I mean

1929
01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that's north of one hundred and fifty million people watching

1930
01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:48.960
<v Speaker 2>one sporting event, which is pretty stunning so many when

1931
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:51.680
<v Speaker 2>you think about it. I'm just curious as too, as

1932
01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:54.399
<v Speaker 2>somebody who made a career in pro sports, why you

1933
01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:57.039
<v Speaker 2>think pro football has been able to capture this market share?

1934
01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:59.359
<v Speaker 2>And you know, there are a few different reasons, and

1935
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:03.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, totally, I was home with my family for

1936
01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the Super Bowl and I was watching with all my

1937
01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:08.439
<v Speaker 2>nieces and nephews, and we had our little square game

1938
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>going on and all the you know, nieces and nephews

1939
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:14.159
<v Speaker 2>were allowed to pick a square and towards the end

1940
01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:16.199
<v Speaker 2>of the game, because at this point the kids were

1941
01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:18.399
<v Speaker 2>upstairs playing it was a blowout, they didn't give a rip.

1942
01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>But my nine year old nephew, Teddy comes up to

1943
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:23.079
<v Speaker 2>me and he says, Uncle Spencer, will you come and

1944
01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>get me if Kansas City scores a touchdown but misses

1945
01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the extra point, because if that happens, I'm gonna win.

1946
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>The Gummy Bears.

1947
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:32.239
<v Speaker 2>It just kind of hits you, like, this is a

1948
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:36.039
<v Speaker 2>nine year old essentially gambling on a game of course, right,

1949
01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:39.319
<v Speaker 2>And in part part of the NFL's market share and

1950
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:42.199
<v Speaker 2>the ability to capture it, I think they I think

1951
01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:44.199
<v Speaker 2>they were able to kind of create a space for

1952
01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:47.319
<v Speaker 2>gambling on their sport far before it was legal and

1953
01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:50.039
<v Speaker 2>befar before anyone else kind of leaned into it.

1954
01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:53.439
<v Speaker 5>Well, and you know, you know, Spence and my extended

1955
01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:56.359
<v Speaker 5>family does this as well. They you know, everybody from

1956
01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:58.880
<v Speaker 5>the from the eight year old all the way up.

1957
01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:03.439
<v Speaker 5>They're all involved in the fantasy football every fall, you know,

1958
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:05.720
<v Speaker 5>and everybody they have a draft and they do all

1959
01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:08.560
<v Speaker 5>this stuff, and they check scores and have a you know,

1960
01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:11.359
<v Speaker 5>a thing online and get on and see who who

1961
01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:13.880
<v Speaker 5>got the most points this week or whatever. But that

1962
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:18.479
<v Speaker 5>isn't done with any other sport, right, Nobody does it

1963
01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:21.039
<v Speaker 5>with you know, any other time of the year for

1964
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:23.279
<v Speaker 5>anything else. Right, And so I don't know, I don't

1965
01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:25.680
<v Speaker 5>know if it's because it's the once a week thing.

1966
01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:29.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if it's because it's the time of year,

1967
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:33.359
<v Speaker 5>you know, in the fall. And I mean, I'm not

1968
01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:36.479
<v Speaker 5>I'm not quite sure exactly what the what the great

1969
01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:39.399
<v Speaker 5>great holders. I do know that I've always thought, you know,

1970
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.039
<v Speaker 5>especially you know, the way technology is now in the

1971
01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:45.319
<v Speaker 5>last fifteen twenty years and the way they show slow

1972
01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:48.079
<v Speaker 5>motion and they and they do all this stuff, is

1973
01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:51.359
<v Speaker 5>is you know that it's gotten more to me of

1974
01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.880
<v Speaker 5>somewhat of the gladiator type thing, the Roman times, where

1975
01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.479
<v Speaker 5>everybody's in the in the arena and they're rooting for

1976
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:03.600
<v Speaker 5>the get smashed on the on the on the block

1977
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:06.239
<v Speaker 5>or whatever it is, or tackled you know, and and

1978
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:08.720
<v Speaker 5>thrown up in the air and or whatever during the

1979
01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:10.640
<v Speaker 5>during the course of a game. So I don't know

1980
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:13.439
<v Speaker 5>if that's it or what the you know, how they

1981
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:17.039
<v Speaker 5>ended up marketing it this way, but part of it,

1982
01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:19.920
<v Speaker 5>I think, I don't know how far down the line

1983
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.239
<v Speaker 5>it gets about. They have done a good job over

1984
01:28:22.279 --> 01:28:24.880
<v Speaker 5>the years with the salary cap stuff and the way

1985
01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:27.399
<v Speaker 5>they put their schedules together, you know, the you know,

1986
01:28:27.479 --> 01:28:30.199
<v Speaker 5>during the course of the season, the guys who played

1987
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:34.640
<v Speaker 5>well last year play each other next year, you know,

1988
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:37.479
<v Speaker 5>you know, outside of your division and stuff, and then

1989
01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:41.239
<v Speaker 5>they purposely do that so that you know, in week sixteen,

1990
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:45.720
<v Speaker 5>seventeen eighteen, most of the teams are eight and eight

1991
01:28:46.319 --> 01:28:49.239
<v Speaker 5>or they're nine and seven or whatever, and so a

1992
01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:51.600
<v Speaker 5>lot of teams have a chance to get in the

1993
01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:54.279
<v Speaker 5>last week or two. And I don't know if maybe

1994
01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:58.000
<v Speaker 5>that's part of the stick that everybody's feels like they

1995
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:00.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, their dog is still the race most of

1996
01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:03.239
<v Speaker 5>the most of the year. I'm not quite sure how

1997
01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:04.119
<v Speaker 5>that plays out.

1998
01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's interesting to compare because we're an NBA market.

1999
01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>We've been an NBA market, you know, for a long

2000
01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:13.439
<v Speaker 2>long time now, And I often remind people of this.

2001
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:16.239
<v Speaker 2>The highest rated basketball game in the history of the

2002
01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>sport was played here in Salt Lake in nineteen ninety eight.

2003
01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:21.560
<v Speaker 2>It was Michael Jordan's last game, and that was the

2004
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>last time during that era mid to late nineties was

2005
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:29.039
<v Speaker 2>the last time that pro basketball was even in pro

2006
01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:30.319
<v Speaker 2>football stratosphere.

2007
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:32.239
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't on the level, but.

2008
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:34.960
<v Speaker 2>There was some data that indicated the ratings had improved

2009
01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:37.399
<v Speaker 2>in the NBA under you know, it was Magic and

2010
01:29:37.399 --> 01:29:39.079
<v Speaker 2>then it was Larry and then it was the you know,

2011
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the Laker Celtics thing that Michael took over and David

2012
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Stern was a master of his craft to manipulate the

2013
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:48.279
<v Speaker 2>media to create this behemoth that was kind of making

2014
01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:49.319
<v Speaker 2>some inroads.

2015
01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:52.319
<v Speaker 1>As far as the progress with pro football.

2016
01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Again, it was never in that area, but it was

2017
01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>making progress and now the gap could not be wider.

2018
01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:02.079
<v Speaker 2>The NBA still by most metrics, is number three behind

2019
01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the NFL and college football, then it's pro basketball. Any

2020
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.199
<v Speaker 2>thoughts as to why the NBA has not been able

2021
01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>to keep up on the domestic viewership. Now, I will

2022
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>add this, the NFL is now talking about trying to

2023
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:19.239
<v Speaker 2>capture international audiences. The NBA doesn't really sweat the domestic

2024
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>stuff because their revenue streams internationally are far greater than

2025
01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>pro footballs as far as the global sports, Soccer's won

2026
01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>basketball's too, and so they are able to mitigate maybe

2027
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>some revenue or ratings or eyes or attention domestically because

2028
01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.119
<v Speaker 2>of what they bring in internationally. But as far as

2029
01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the attention span of the American sports fan, why do

2030
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:41.520
<v Speaker 2>you think basketball has not been able to keep up?

2031
01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:44.600
<v Speaker 5>Well, I don't know. I think that the game itself

2032
01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:48.560
<v Speaker 5>part of it. To me from my perspective is having

2033
01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:53.760
<v Speaker 5>seen rules changes over the years, is that I think

2034
01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:57.000
<v Speaker 5>maybe the NBA has gone too much, you know, toward

2035
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.640
<v Speaker 5>trying to make your offensive heavy, you know, by putting

2036
01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:04.720
<v Speaker 5>in all these defensive rules restrictions, and you can't you

2037
01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:08.520
<v Speaker 5>can't put a hand on somebody, you can't level somebody off. You.

2038
01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:10.680
<v Speaker 5>You know, you have an arm bar, but you can't

2039
01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:13.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, turn them one way the other and so

2040
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:17.840
<v Speaker 5>it's all, you know, relegated to trying to legislate the

2041
01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:21.439
<v Speaker 5>game so that we have these one forty you know,

2042
01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:25.600
<v Speaker 5>one thirty five games, you know, where where the good

2043
01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:29.439
<v Speaker 5>games back in our day, Spence used to be the

2044
01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:32.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, you know the Knicks Pacers, Uh, you know,

2045
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:35.840
<v Speaker 5>grind them house. Yeah, you know, you know, eighty nine,

2046
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:41.359
<v Speaker 5>eighty five and whatever, and you know. But but but

2047
01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:43.279
<v Speaker 5>I just think that that some of it is it

2048
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:46.159
<v Speaker 5>looks it looks to me a little bit a little

2049
01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:49.920
<v Speaker 5>bit like there's too much offense. We we don't do

2050
01:31:50.079 --> 01:31:53.439
<v Speaker 5>enough to help the defensive guys. Everybody wants to score

2051
01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:58.119
<v Speaker 5>and dunk and and no, and nobody plays defense, you know,

2052
01:31:58.239 --> 01:32:01.640
<v Speaker 5>per se, you know, because you can see how the

2053
01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:04.239
<v Speaker 5>scoring is. And some of it's because the way the

2054
01:32:04.279 --> 01:32:06.920
<v Speaker 5>game is legislated and the way that the rules are,

2055
01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:09.520
<v Speaker 5>and maybe the fans look at that and go, I

2056
01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:13.119
<v Speaker 5>don't know, feels a little bit like wrestling or something

2057
01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:16.039
<v Speaker 5>like where they're just it's a little bit artificial because

2058
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:19.000
<v Speaker 5>they're not really playing a whole game. They're only playing

2059
01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:21.920
<v Speaker 5>on one side of the court, that makes any sense.

2060
01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:24.399
<v Speaker 2>Also, I noticed this last night because it's funny, you

2061
01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:27.560
<v Speaker 2>referenced Nick's Pacers. They played each other last night, and

2062
01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>I was watching and flipping back and forth. I was

2063
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:32.039
<v Speaker 2>watching the utes and BYU both tipped at five, and

2064
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:35.960
<v Speaker 2>then checking out nick Pacers later on. There's not a

2065
01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:40.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of urgency in pro basketball until the final five minutes.

2066
01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>And when you're watching an NFL game, almost every single

2067
01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:47.640
<v Speaker 2>play feels like life or death. There's just like, and

2068
01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't this is anecdotal. I don't really know how

2069
01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:54.239
<v Speaker 2>to like where to grasp this issue to say, Okay,

2070
01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:57.439
<v Speaker 2>it's this or that or whatever. But you know, a

2071
01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:01.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of possessions Halliburton dribbles the ball down the floor,

2072
01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:03.359
<v Speaker 2>puts it through his legs three times, takes a step

2073
01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:04.039
<v Speaker 2>back three and you're.

2074
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like, what are we doing? Yeah, yeah, there's

2075
01:33:06.760 --> 01:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>not a lot of urgency possession by possession.

2076
01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:08.920
<v Speaker 4>No.

2077
01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:11.600
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, in the NFL two spence, a lot

2078
01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:14.039
<v Speaker 5>of the players, not everybody, you know, the big names

2079
01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:18.880
<v Speaker 5>are are secure and and they're they're situated, you know,

2080
01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:21.600
<v Speaker 5>financially and and spots on the team. But a lot

2081
01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:25.159
<v Speaker 5>of the players on NFL teams, you know, don't have

2082
01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:29.239
<v Speaker 5>the so called guaranteed contracts or the big money deals,

2083
01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:31.560
<v Speaker 5>and and a lot of them are week to week.

2084
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:33.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean, if you don't perform and you don't play

2085
01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:36.199
<v Speaker 5>your position, you know, you could be you know, the

2086
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:39.760
<v Speaker 5>ones obviously that A publicized, the most of the kickers

2087
01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:43.760
<v Speaker 5>who miss a crucial kick or two extra points in

2088
01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:46.479
<v Speaker 5>the game, and you see on Monday they cut the

2089
01:33:46.520 --> 01:33:49.960
<v Speaker 5>guy and on Wednesday they're having tryouts for a new

2090
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:53.640
<v Speaker 5>guy who's going to be the kicker on Sunday, you know.

2091
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:55.520
<v Speaker 5>And and there's a lot of the other you know,

2092
01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:59.760
<v Speaker 5>other players, offensive, defensive linemen, linebackers who some guys have

2093
01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:02.199
<v Speaker 5>guaranteed contracts, but a lot of them are you know,

2094
01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:04.119
<v Speaker 5>might be you know, could get cut or they or

2095
01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:06.319
<v Speaker 5>they they you know, they get hurt, you know, they

2096
01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:08.359
<v Speaker 5>go on the injured list and you don't see them again.

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01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:10.439
<v Speaker 5>And I don't know if has anything to do with that,

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01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:15.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, relative to like the NBA, where virtually every

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01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:19.039
<v Speaker 5>guy on the roster has a guaranteed contract, and especially

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01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.960
<v Speaker 5>after you know, the early January date this year, I

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01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.039
<v Speaker 5>think it was January sixth or January eighth or something,

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01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:26.119
<v Speaker 5>which is a guaranteed date. So if you had a

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01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:29.800
<v Speaker 5>non guaranteed contract and you're on the roster after that date,

2104
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.359
<v Speaker 5>then your your contract's guarantee for the rest of the year,

2105
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:35.640
<v Speaker 5>even if you don't play a minute, you know. So

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01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:38.800
<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I've always thought there's some problem with

2107
01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:43.359
<v Speaker 5>that in the NBA, where there's too much quote free

2108
01:34:43.439 --> 01:34:46.880
<v Speaker 5>money and nobody really has to go out and earn

2109
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:52.720
<v Speaker 5>it per se. Once they get it and you know it,

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01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:56.760
<v Speaker 5>and there's something to the sense of urgency that if

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01:34:56.800 --> 01:35:00.119
<v Speaker 5>I don't perform tonight and I don't I don't play hard,

2112
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:01.960
<v Speaker 5>and I don't dive on the floor, and I don't

2113
01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:04.199
<v Speaker 5>step in and try and take a charge or whatever

2114
01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:06.680
<v Speaker 5>it is, that I may not be on the team

2115
01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:10.239
<v Speaker 5>on Friday. You know, that's not a that's not a feeling,

2116
01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:12.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, because you know, you know, even if they

2117
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:15.279
<v Speaker 5>let you go, they don't like you for whatever reason

2118
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:17.600
<v Speaker 5>you're not playing well whatever, Well, I made it past

2119
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:19.800
<v Speaker 5>the guarantee date, so I'm getting my MI in your mind,

2120
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:21.479
<v Speaker 5>all that kind of thing. So I don't know if

2121
01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:24.600
<v Speaker 5>there's something to that that all those a link together

2122
01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:27.119
<v Speaker 5>and people are going, yeah, well, these guys are getting

2123
01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:29.079
<v Speaker 5>paid a lot of money and they don't really look

2124
01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:31.560
<v Speaker 5>like they're playing hard. I don't know why I should

2125
01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:33.279
<v Speaker 5>invest my time in that, you know.

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01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now there's some good points, all right. I was

2127
01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:38.720
<v Speaker 2>excited to have you in because I wanted to talk

2128
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:41.680
<v Speaker 2>to you about this dynamic. And I this is going to

2129
01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:44.119
<v Speaker 2>be a very loose parallel because I don't think there's

2130
01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:47.119
<v Speaker 2>anything where we can be entirely analogous.

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01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:50.279
<v Speaker 1>But but follow me for a second. So Lakers are

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01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>in town tonight.

2133
01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, it has been a crazy news cycle surrounding the

2134
01:35:57.319 --> 01:36:00.920
<v Speaker 2>decisions made by roster Constructions in pro basketball to do

2135
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:04.479
<v Speaker 2>some things that feel a little bit unprecedented to me

2136
01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>and feel a little bit noteworthy, if I could use

2137
01:36:07.239 --> 01:36:11.319
<v Speaker 2>a jazz phrase. Patrick Dumont is the part of the

2138
01:36:11.359 --> 01:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>new ownership group in Dallas, and it's been a rough

2139
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:16.680
<v Speaker 2>week for our guy. He walked into a Mavericks home

2140
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:20.760
<v Speaker 2>game to a tremendously loud courus of booze and he

2141
01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>turned to a security guard and he said, are they

2142
01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:23.479
<v Speaker 2>booing me?

2143
01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:25.199
<v Speaker 1>And he said, yes, they are.

2144
01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Nico Harrison has been kind of revealed as like the

2145
01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:32.479
<v Speaker 2>rogue decision maker here that is behind the Luka Doncichs

2146
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:35.840
<v Speaker 2>decision because he simply didn't believe, as you outlined last

2147
01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>week in his off court habits, and do you want

2148
01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:41.319
<v Speaker 2>to invest three hundred and fifty five million dollars in

2149
01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:43.359
<v Speaker 2>a player who you don't think takes care of himself.

2150
01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>We've been all over the things, over all the things.

2151
01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:50.039
<v Speaker 2>This is a decision that could cost Nico's job, and

2152
01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:53.960
<v Speaker 2>it feels like it is already costing Dallas a tremendous

2153
01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:57.520
<v Speaker 2>amount of goodwill in that community. Can you recall whether

2154
01:36:57.600 --> 01:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>it was Scottie or whether it was Kevin or Danna

2155
01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:03.399
<v Speaker 2>personnel decision that you guys had to make as a

2156
01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:07.920
<v Speaker 2>front office where you went, Okay, here we go.

2157
01:37:08.119 --> 01:37:09.079
<v Speaker 1>We just made a.

2158
01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Call on Darren or whatever, and now it's on. Now

2159
01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's gonna be on us as to whether

2160
01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:17.600
<v Speaker 2>or not this works out. Is there anything that even

2161
01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>comes to mind as far as the same type of

2162
01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:21.399
<v Speaker 2>heat they're kind of facing in Dallas.

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01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:24.520
<v Speaker 5>Well, first of all, you know, the the the profile

2164
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:27.920
<v Speaker 5>of the players involved in this, this Dallas Laker trade was,

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01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:29.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, was at the top of the heap. So

2166
01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:33.840
<v Speaker 5>that's that, That's the first thing. The secondly, you know,

2167
01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:36.680
<v Speaker 5>these these aren't unusual and we've talked about that before.

2168
01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:40.640
<v Speaker 5>Spence too, and across across all sporting lines. Whether it's

2169
01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:43.520
<v Speaker 5>a Babe Ruth or whether it's a Wayne Gretzky, or

2170
01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:46.319
<v Speaker 5>whether it's a Wilt Chamberlain, you know, whoever it is.

2171
01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:48.560
<v Speaker 5>You know, these guys have all been traded, These things

2172
01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:53.000
<v Speaker 5>have happened before. The thing that that that I don't uh.

2173
01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:56.279
<v Speaker 5>I you know, if I was the guy overseeing and

2174
01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:58.279
<v Speaker 5>I was just you know, you know, waving a magic

2175
01:37:58.359 --> 01:38:01.640
<v Speaker 5>wand whatever that means. You know, in this scenario, I

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01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:06.920
<v Speaker 5>would I would advise Nico Harrison and Patrick Dumont to

2177
01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:11.640
<v Speaker 5>instead of running away from what's going on. In other words,

2178
01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:15.239
<v Speaker 5>Nico doesn't show up in his usual seat for the game,

2179
01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:18.479
<v Speaker 5>He doesn't show up for the first game after the trade.

2180
01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:21.640
<v Speaker 5>You know, wasn't there at all. You know that To me,

2181
01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:24.479
<v Speaker 5>if I'm a fan, I look at that and go, okay,

2182
01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:27.600
<v Speaker 5>that that even makes me a little more, you know,

2183
01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:30.520
<v Speaker 5>upset about this or there's something else you know that

2184
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:33.439
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I would rather see them turn around and

2185
01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:36.920
<v Speaker 5>do just the opposite, just hit it head on, you know.

2186
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:41.359
<v Speaker 5>And and I was just saying to to James Peterson

2187
01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:43.760
<v Speaker 5>before we came on the air, Hey, if I was them,

2188
01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:45.760
<v Speaker 5>I'd say, hey, you know what we should do. We

2189
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:49.199
<v Speaker 5>should have we should have a town hall meeting tomorrow

2190
01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:52.359
<v Speaker 5>at noon. Anybody who's upset at this, come on down,

2191
01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:55.359
<v Speaker 5>let's go. You know, and you know you you guys

2192
01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:57.880
<v Speaker 5>pay the bills. You guys are investing in this like us.

2193
01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:01.119
<v Speaker 5>We'll answer the questions. Now. If I get a question

2194
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.520
<v Speaker 5>and I don't feel like, you know, revealing you know,

2195
01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:07.960
<v Speaker 5>corporate you know, secrets or things that I think, you

2196
01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:09.960
<v Speaker 5>know should stay in the house, then I'll say so.

2197
01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:12.840
<v Speaker 5>But I'm going to give you the opportunity to vent

2198
01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.680
<v Speaker 5>to me and for us to talk it through, and

2199
01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:18.159
<v Speaker 5>to give you, you know, as much as I can

2200
01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:21.199
<v Speaker 5>the rationale of why, you know, we don't just do this.

2201
01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:24.039
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, if I'm if I'm playing Nico

2202
01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Harrison for a minute, I don't just wake up in

2203
01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:28.600
<v Speaker 5>the middle of the night and say, hey, I think

2204
01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:30.000
<v Speaker 5>it's a good idea if we get rid of one

2205
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:32.760
<v Speaker 5>of the best players in the league, and I'm not

2206
01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:35.840
<v Speaker 5>gonna tell anybody why We're just going to do it

2207
01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:38.640
<v Speaker 5>like that doesn't really wash with a lot of people.

2208
01:39:38.840 --> 01:39:41.239
<v Speaker 5>So you know, you have to explain to people. You know,

2209
01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:44.199
<v Speaker 5>you don't explain all of your business, obviously, but but

2210
01:39:44.359 --> 01:39:47.800
<v Speaker 5>you tell people as much as you can about this process,

2211
01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:50.960
<v Speaker 5>and you have to ask people to think for a minute,

2212
01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:53.600
<v Speaker 5>to step back and say, do you think we would

2213
01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:58.279
<v Speaker 5>trade a top five player who's not even in his

2214
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:01.880
<v Speaker 5>prime yet age, why, who's performing the way he has

2215
01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:05.680
<v Speaker 5>performed so far for us for for just just to

2216
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:08.960
<v Speaker 5>do it and just to get a different look on

2217
01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:11.840
<v Speaker 5>our team. I mean, I hope you think that we

2218
01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:15.920
<v Speaker 5>have more than that in our substance in making these

2219
01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:20.079
<v Speaker 5>decisions to to to be able to exercise something that

2220
01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:23.039
<v Speaker 5>we know is going to be difficult, you know, to

2221
01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:25.680
<v Speaker 5>deal with. You know, we didn't think this was just

2222
01:40:25.720 --> 01:40:28.000
<v Speaker 5>going to go in a twenty four hour news cycle

2223
01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:31.359
<v Speaker 5>and then everybody's onto the next thing. And so, you know,

2224
01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:35.920
<v Speaker 5>give us some credit or at least have some substance

2225
01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:40.239
<v Speaker 5>to thinking that that there's a rationale, there's some reasoning

2226
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:44.079
<v Speaker 5>behind why we would make such a move, you know,

2227
01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:47.880
<v Speaker 5>in the benefit of our organization, of you, our fans.

2228
01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:50.720
<v Speaker 5>That's that's where our responsibility is. And I would just

2229
01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:53.079
<v Speaker 5>hit it head on, you know, in that regard, because

2230
01:40:53.119 --> 01:40:55.399
<v Speaker 5>that's usually if you look in the pass in any

2231
01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:58.720
<v Speaker 5>scenario of this nature spence where there's an uproar. But

2232
01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:01.359
<v Speaker 5>any decision, is it a a sports decision, is it

2233
01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:04.399
<v Speaker 5>a governmental decision? Is it something you know that affects

2234
01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:07.119
<v Speaker 5>our culture or our life. People who are in those

2235
01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:11.840
<v Speaker 5>positions that when times when they've just faced the music

2236
01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:14.760
<v Speaker 5>head on and took it on and said, hey, let's go,

2237
01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:17.520
<v Speaker 5>let's go, what do you got, Let's talk it out

2238
01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:21.000
<v Speaker 5>and and and do that. Most of the time people go, yeah,

2239
01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:23.840
<v Speaker 5>but what if what if this thing? And you go, well,

2240
01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:25.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, because of A B and C whatever, and

2241
01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:30.720
<v Speaker 5>and and then you find out people realize, okay, I

2242
01:41:31.159 --> 01:41:33.119
<v Speaker 5>don't know, you know, and and but they but they

2243
01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:36.079
<v Speaker 5>start backing down because they understand that you're in a

2244
01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:39.800
<v Speaker 5>difficult position and you wouldn't make a decision like this

2245
01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:46.279
<v Speaker 5>unless you actually felt somewhere that this made sense, uh,

2246
01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:49.439
<v Speaker 5>for the for the overall business that were running. You know,

2247
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:53.159
<v Speaker 5>whether you understand what those things are or you don't.

2248
01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:56.039
<v Speaker 5>I can communicate some of them to you, some of

2249
01:41:56.079 --> 01:41:58.600
<v Speaker 5>them I might not be able to, but at least

2250
01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:01.760
<v Speaker 5>rationally look at it, you know, for what it is,

2251
01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:05.239
<v Speaker 5>instead of trying to find you know, some underbelly or

2252
01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:07.640
<v Speaker 5>some you know some you know, there's gotta be some

2253
01:42:07.800 --> 01:42:10.920
<v Speaker 5>secret thing that's going on that nobody's telling us, you

2254
01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:14.359
<v Speaker 5>know whatever, And you know, it's just I think people.

2255
01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:17.439
<v Speaker 5>You have to give people credit, you know, for for

2256
01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:23.279
<v Speaker 5>trying to help you to overall understand what this overall

2257
01:42:23.319 --> 01:42:25.479
<v Speaker 5>situation is. If that makes any.

2258
01:42:25.399 --> 01:42:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Sense, yeah, it does. I just don't personally see the rationale. Now.

2259
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Bob Myers made a really compelling point because about an

2260
01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:35.520
<v Speaker 2>hour after the trade was announced, he was on the

2261
01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:40.359
<v Speaker 2>dais for the NBA on ESPN coverage and he said, look,

2262
01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that Anthony Davis is Luca, but what

2263
01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I am saying is peak Anthony Davis and peak Luka

2264
01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:49.600
<v Speaker 2>doncis if you can get like a seven game healthy

2265
01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:52.960
<v Speaker 2>peak Anthony Davis, he is still one of the elite

2266
01:42:53.039 --> 01:42:56.119
<v Speaker 2>talents in all of the lead. Well, he affects the game, yes, yes,

2267
01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:58.359
<v Speaker 2>And so now the problem is he's hurt now, and

2268
01:42:58.399 --> 01:43:00.319
<v Speaker 2>he might be shelved for four or five weeks, and

2269
01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:03.560
<v Speaker 2>so as we react to what's in the moment, if

2270
01:43:03.560 --> 01:43:07.079
<v Speaker 2>you're Nico Harrison, the worst case scenario happened where he's hurt,

2271
01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and so even you know, if he's able to come

2272
01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:14.680
<v Speaker 2>back and at some point maybe make a difference, in

2273
01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the postseason. Where we are in the news cycle right

2274
01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:19.479
<v Speaker 2>now is these guys are getting killed. The only thing

2275
01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I could think of is when Kevin decided to trade Darren,

2276
01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:23.760
<v Speaker 2>as far as trying to be analogous here in the

2277
01:43:23.760 --> 01:43:27.199
<v Speaker 2>market now, the circumstances were much different, and that's what

2278
01:43:27.239 --> 01:43:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I think confuses a lot of people, because Darren and

2279
01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Jerry had their thing, and so Kevin had Jerry's back

2280
01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:34.560
<v Speaker 2>and said, we don't want this male content.

2281
01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:35.800
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna hit the reset button.

2282
01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>There are no indications like it's been interesting seeing the

2283
01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:44.039
<v Speaker 2>look on Jason Kidd's face whenever he's been front facing.

2284
01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:45.359
<v Speaker 1>He didn't do meet the other night.

2285
01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I would be very curious to hear what Jason Kidd

2286
01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:50.359
<v Speaker 2>had to say in a very honest moment about as

2287
01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:53.039
<v Speaker 2>a coach losing a guy like that. But this is

2288
01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:56.520
<v Speaker 2>different because it doesn't appear that Luca had issues with

2289
01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:59.119
<v Speaker 2>a coach or his teammates. From what we know, this

2290
01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:03.800
<v Speaker 2>was a executive making a decision almost on his own.

2291
01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>But Kevin never struck me as a monolith.

2292
01:44:05.960 --> 01:44:06.119
<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys were very uh up front officely would communicate

2294
01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>together and come up with ideas. Was did you guys

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01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:14.279
<v Speaker 2>feel the heat when you decided to do the Darren thing.

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<v Speaker 5>No, you know, I it was a different set of

2297
01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:20.800
<v Speaker 5>circumstance because I think the I think the general Jazz

2298
01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:26.880
<v Speaker 5>fan uh back at that time, if you remember, had

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01:44:26.920 --> 01:44:32.159
<v Speaker 5>the had the the blow up between Darren, Darren Williams

2300
01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:36.479
<v Speaker 5>and and Jerry Sloan and the prompted you know, Jerry

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01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:41.920
<v Speaker 5>to to to uh step down and resign and then

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01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:46.520
<v Speaker 5>uh shortly after that, Kevin made the move, you know,

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01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:49.199
<v Speaker 5>to trade Darren because he thought that was in He

2304
01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:54.600
<v Speaker 5>also thought it was in the again similar to the

2305
01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:58.439
<v Speaker 5>d Aaron Fox situation Sacramento a few weeks ago, where

2306
01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:01.880
<v Speaker 5>Fox came out and said, you know it didn't say

2307
01:45:01.880 --> 01:45:06.000
<v Speaker 5>it directly, but but there were all indications internally that

2308
01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:08.800
<v Speaker 5>he's gonna he's not gonna come back here when he's

2309
01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:11.880
<v Speaker 5>a free agent, right, whether it's Aaron Fox, that was

2310
01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:16.640
<v Speaker 5>the so called scuttle. But with Donovan Mitchell, I'm not

2311
01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:20.640
<v Speaker 5>sure if that was if that was totally uh accurate

2312
01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:23.960
<v Speaker 5>or or or a truism, but that's that that that's

2313
01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:28.439
<v Speaker 5>what the general perception was, uh with Darren. With Darren Williams,

2314
01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:31.119
<v Speaker 5>it was the same similar type thing we don't know

2315
01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:34.079
<v Speaker 5>if Darren Williams is gonna come back when he's a

2316
01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:36.680
<v Speaker 5>free agent in a year and a half. And so

2317
01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:40.520
<v Speaker 5>let's you know, we we we put that together with

2318
01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:45.399
<v Speaker 5>the discord or whatever's going on, you know with uh,

2319
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:49.159
<v Speaker 5>with coach Sloan and that kind of stuff, and you go, Okay,

2320
01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:52.239
<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe it makes sense to to do something now,

2321
01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:55.479
<v Speaker 5>you know, while your value is high and in terms

2322
01:45:55.479 --> 01:46:00.279
<v Speaker 5>of that that player. But but again, Spence, uh, Kevin,

2323
01:46:00.399 --> 01:46:03.560
<v Speaker 5>Kevin O'Connor, you know, did I wouldn't say exactly the

2324
01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:06.039
<v Speaker 5>same because I obviously I wasn't wasn't in the room,

2325
01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:08.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, with Nico Harrison and and and and all

2326
01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:11.560
<v Speaker 5>that stuff. But but but Kevin, you know, in a

2327
01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:17.279
<v Speaker 5>similar fashion, did you know, handled it in uh kind

2328
01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:20.840
<v Speaker 5>of the same framework that Nico Harrison did with Darren Williams.

2329
01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:23.039
<v Speaker 5>He didn't tell any of us what was going on,

2330
01:46:23.560 --> 01:46:25.960
<v Speaker 5>uh in his in in our so called in their circle,

2331
01:46:26.039 --> 01:46:29.039
<v Speaker 5>whatever that was. You know, I didn't know what was happening.

2332
01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:33.600
<v Speaker 5>You know. Kevin did it with his good friend Billy King,

2333
01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:36.239
<v Speaker 5>who was the general manager in New Jersey Nets at

2334
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:40.079
<v Speaker 5>the time. They had worked together in Philadelphia ten years

2335
01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:44.600
<v Speaker 5>earlier become very good friends, very good colleagues. They felt

2336
01:46:44.640 --> 01:46:47.840
<v Speaker 5>they could trust each other in terms of doing some

2337
01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:49.960
<v Speaker 5>kind of a deal that didn't get out in the media.

2338
01:46:50.439 --> 01:46:54.119
<v Speaker 5>A Lah, the Jimmy Butler Miami Heat type thing, and

2339
01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:57.479
<v Speaker 5>uh and they they they put a package together and

2340
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:00.840
<v Speaker 5>discussed it, and then Kevin went to, uh, you know,

2341
01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:03.479
<v Speaker 5>the Miller family and said, hey, I think you know,

2342
01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:06.359
<v Speaker 5>for reasons A, B, and C, this is this is

2343
01:47:06.920 --> 01:47:09.039
<v Speaker 5>a good time to make a move like this, even

2344
01:47:09.079 --> 01:47:12.159
<v Speaker 5>though it's our best player and it's gonna hurt us

2345
01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:15.000
<v Speaker 5>in the short term, but I think it'll help us

2346
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:17.840
<v Speaker 5>somewhere down the line the long term. Okay, the Miller's

2347
01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:20.560
<v Speaker 5>bought bought into that. Okay. And I'm sitting in my

2348
01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:23.399
<v Speaker 5>office on the day that they know it was leaked,

2349
01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:26.720
<v Speaker 5>and I see a scroll on the TV in my office.

2350
01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:29.520
<v Speaker 5>It says, you know, breaking news Darren Williams Trade at

2351
01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:31.720
<v Speaker 5>the you know, I'm going, what is that? You know whatever?

2352
01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:35.279
<v Speaker 5>And then and then Kevin literally like walked through my office.

2353
01:47:35.720 --> 01:47:37.319
<v Speaker 5>I said, Hey, what is this thing on the on

2354
01:47:37.359 --> 01:47:39.880
<v Speaker 5>the on the TV. And he looks and he goes, oh,

2355
01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:42.279
<v Speaker 5>is that out already? And I looked at him I said,

2356
01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:45.479
<v Speaker 5>is that a real thing? He goes, yeah, you know,

2357
01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:49.960
<v Speaker 5>typical Kevin fashion. He shrugged and then kept walking. You know,

2358
01:47:50.039 --> 01:47:51.520
<v Speaker 5>so now I got to go chase him down the

2359
01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:55.399
<v Speaker 5>hallway into his office, what's going on whatever? And you know,

2360
01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:57.239
<v Speaker 5>but he did a similar thing where he played it

2361
01:47:57.279 --> 01:47:58.800
<v Speaker 5>close to the vest because he didn't want to be

2362
01:47:58.880 --> 01:48:00.600
<v Speaker 5>on the public, didn't want to have to deal with

2363
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:03.239
<v Speaker 5>media and all that kind of stuff in the similar

2364
01:48:03.319 --> 01:48:06.680
<v Speaker 5>fashion what happened with Dallas and Lakers last week. And

2365
01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:10.760
<v Speaker 5>sometimes front office people in those decision making roles will

2366
01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:14.720
<v Speaker 5>will handle things in a particular way because they feel

2367
01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:18.640
<v Speaker 5>that's the best way to handle it with the least

2368
01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:21.960
<v Speaker 5>amount of noise going on around it, and it doesn't

2369
01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:25.319
<v Speaker 5>really affect, you know, the decision making process that they're

2370
01:48:25.359 --> 01:48:25.920
<v Speaker 5>going through.

2371
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Lebron James Luka, Doncic rolling down and I the LA

2372
01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Lakers taking on the Utah Jazz. We got Richard Smith

2373
01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>live in studio for one more big segment, all right, Smitty,

2374
01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Thirty games left for the Jazz. I think a lot

2375
01:48:40.159 --> 01:48:42.600
<v Speaker 2>of people that don't maybe file the league closely feel

2376
01:48:42.640 --> 01:48:44.800
<v Speaker 2>like the All Star break is the halfway point. It's

2377
01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:47.560
<v Speaker 2>very much not past halfway point about two and a

2378
01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:50.880
<v Speaker 2>half three weeks ago, So thirty games left for the

2379
01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Jazz and the Lakers come into town tonight. And you know,

2380
01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting a lot of the national guests that we

2381
01:48:58.119 --> 01:49:01.479
<v Speaker 2>have on to talk Pro basketball all some of them

2382
01:49:01.479 --> 01:49:02.960
<v Speaker 2>will text me before the interview like dude, I got

2383
01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.159
<v Speaker 2>nothing on the Jazz, or just like you don't ask

2384
01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>me about it. And with this entire boom of the

2385
01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:13.039
<v Speaker 2>media attention surrounding Luke and Lebron, I've listened to a

2386
01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:15.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of podcasts, watch a lot of coverage, and they

2387
01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:16.840
<v Speaker 2>all say the same thing, like, well, we can't learn

2388
01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>anything about them yet because they're only playing the Jazz,

2389
01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:22.600
<v Speaker 2>not a serious team about winning this year. With thirty

2390
01:49:22.640 --> 01:49:25.319
<v Speaker 2>games left, what would you say to Jazz fans about

2391
01:49:25.399 --> 01:49:28.359
<v Speaker 2>some takeaways you've had that are positive that they can

2392
01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:31.880
<v Speaker 2>just kind of latch onto. If there's anything there to

2393
01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:33.960
<v Speaker 2>indicate that this thing is moving in the right direction.

2394
01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:39.960
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's it's a difficult question, defense because there hasn't

2395
01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:41.880
<v Speaker 5>been a lot. I mean to be honest, you know,

2396
01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:45.960
<v Speaker 5>they're in the third year of this tear down, rebuild, reboot,

2397
01:49:46.000 --> 01:49:51.359
<v Speaker 5>whatever however you you'll label it. Their overall team. Defense

2398
01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:56.199
<v Speaker 5>hasn't gotten any better, hasn't gotten appreciably better. Whether that's

2399
01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:00.920
<v Speaker 5>by schematics, whether that's coaching, whether that that's the players

2400
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:04.520
<v Speaker 5>who aren't aren't executing what the coaches want, whatever it is,

2401
01:50:05.439 --> 01:50:11.560
<v Speaker 5>it hasn't gotten anybody. There's still a bottom five defensive team.

2402
01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:15.520
<v Speaker 5>Larry Markinen, you know, had a very good first year

2403
01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:18.880
<v Speaker 5>with the Jazz, obviously played to an all star level.

2404
01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:21.239
<v Speaker 5>He's gone down a little bit. You know. Some of

2405
01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:23.439
<v Speaker 5>that I think is just because he's he doesn't have

2406
01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:26.239
<v Speaker 5>a good team around him, and so there's you know,

2407
01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:28.399
<v Speaker 5>the other teams are leaning on him a little bit.

2408
01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:31.520
<v Speaker 5>But how about this little little tidbit which is which

2409
01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:36.399
<v Speaker 5>is interesting more than anything that that's really helpful to

2410
01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:40.439
<v Speaker 5>the cause. But John Collins through you know, two thirds

2411
01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:42.399
<v Speaker 5>of the season, after they play these two games, it

2412
01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:44.399
<v Speaker 5>will really be two thirds of the way through the season.

2413
01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:49.039
<v Speaker 5>John Collins is playing close to a one eighty clip.

2414
01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:52.319
<v Speaker 5>He's shooting over fifty from the floor, he's shooting forty

2415
01:50:52.319 --> 01:50:54.880
<v Speaker 5>four from three and eighty seven from the line, so

2416
01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:58.600
<v Speaker 5>he's almost close to you know, you know, touching up

2417
01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:02.319
<v Speaker 5>on that that that fifty forty ninety line that we

2418
01:51:02.359 --> 01:51:06.680
<v Speaker 5>talked about Lowry Markinen last year. You know touching John

2419
01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:08.720
<v Speaker 5>Collins is playing official now. He hasn't played a lot

2420
01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:11.000
<v Speaker 5>of games. He's been out a bunch of games. He's

2421
01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:14.279
<v Speaker 5>been out like fourteen to fifteen games. He's only started

2422
01:51:14.319 --> 01:51:18.239
<v Speaker 5>half the games that the Jazz have played. But the

2423
01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:21.359
<v Speaker 5>other guy who's been playing very efficiently and is out

2424
01:51:21.439 --> 01:51:25.159
<v Speaker 5>currently with an ankle injury is Colin Sexton, who's played

2425
01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:29.760
<v Speaker 5>very well, and again he's played much more efficiently than

2426
01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:32.479
<v Speaker 5>Lowry Marketing is. If you look at their numbers, you know,

2427
01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:36.199
<v Speaker 5>Sexton to market In, you know, field goal percentage forty

2428
01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:40.640
<v Speaker 5>eight to forty two, three point percentage forty one to

2429
01:51:40.760 --> 01:51:44.720
<v Speaker 5>thirty five, field goal free throw percentage eighty nine to

2430
01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:47.920
<v Speaker 5>eighty six. I mean, Colin Sexton has played very efficiently,

2431
01:51:48.079 --> 01:51:51.159
<v Speaker 5>very well. So he's he's played better this year. So

2432
01:51:51.319 --> 01:51:54.000
<v Speaker 5>he's a guy that I'm excited to see if they

2433
01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:56.760
<v Speaker 5>hold on to him in the offseason because I think

2434
01:51:56.760 --> 01:52:01.720
<v Speaker 5>he can really continue to play well and play efficiently.

2435
01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:06.600
<v Speaker 5>He's really grown into his game and his body and

2436
01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:10.760
<v Speaker 5>and the way he plays aggressively on the court. Walker

2437
01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:14.560
<v Speaker 5>Kessler has shown to me that that he's a he's

2438
01:52:14.560 --> 01:52:18.319
<v Speaker 5>a rim protector. He's a natural rebounder. He's a guy

2439
01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:21.640
<v Speaker 5>who can who can uh can get you a double

2440
01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:26.279
<v Speaker 5>digital rebounds. He's gonna average a double double. I think

2441
01:52:26.319 --> 01:52:28.399
<v Speaker 5>he's never gonna be a great score, but he's gonna

2442
01:52:28.399 --> 01:52:31.600
<v Speaker 5>be able to get mop up points and easy rim

2443
01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:34.199
<v Speaker 5>runs and stuff like that. And you know, I think

2444
01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:36.960
<v Speaker 5>he'll always be like a you know, a twelve and

2445
01:52:37.039 --> 01:52:39.239
<v Speaker 5>twelve type guy. And then if he can average a

2446
01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:42.640
<v Speaker 5>couple of block shots, I think he's someone who's who's

2447
01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:46.319
<v Speaker 5>a keeper for them with marking in with maybe sext

2448
01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:49.119
<v Speaker 5>and how they see that. John Collins again, I've never

2449
01:52:49.159 --> 01:52:51.960
<v Speaker 5>been a big John Collins fan, but he's played, he's

2450
01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:54.640
<v Speaker 5>played better this year. He's got a year left on

2451
01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:57.920
<v Speaker 5>his contract, which is a big number twenty six for

2452
01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:00.359
<v Speaker 5>really for what he does. But John Collins is also

2453
01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:03.880
<v Speaker 5>the same age as Lowry Markin. He's not an old guy.

2454
01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:06.560
<v Speaker 5>You know, he came in young. So so these are

2455
01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:09.880
<v Speaker 5>guys that that you think they I don't know if

2456
01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:13.239
<v Speaker 5>they'll all be with them, you know, next year, but

2457
01:53:13.359 --> 01:53:16.479
<v Speaker 5>I think they're guys who can be guys that that

2458
01:53:16.479 --> 01:53:19.279
<v Speaker 5>that are somewhat of a foundation. Now you still have

2459
01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:22.399
<v Speaker 5>to have a couple of these young guys show up.

2460
01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:26.520
<v Speaker 5>The one guy who's who's played better. Uh, still don't

2461
01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:29.479
<v Speaker 5>know if I really like his game that much, but

2462
01:53:30.119 --> 01:53:34.920
<v Speaker 5>he has improved somewhat in this these first fifty games

2463
01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:40.000
<v Speaker 5>is Isaiah Collier. You know, he's he's a natural passer.

2464
01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:44.880
<v Speaker 5>Sometimes he gets too deep into the defense, into the

2465
01:53:44.880 --> 01:53:48.880
<v Speaker 5>paint and then and predetermines where he's gonna throw the pass,

2466
01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:52.520
<v Speaker 5>and and and he's turned over prone that way. But

2467
01:53:52.640 --> 01:53:56.800
<v Speaker 5>he's he's really looks like he's got a good feel

2468
01:53:57.359 --> 01:53:59.640
<v Speaker 5>early in off in the offense to to where the

2469
01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:01.479
<v Speaker 5>balls supposed to be. And the other thing I like

2470
01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:04.159
<v Speaker 5>about him is that he'll get it and he'll push

2471
01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:07.720
<v Speaker 5>it aggressively from free throw line to free throw line.

2472
01:54:07.840 --> 01:54:10.760
<v Speaker 5>So instead of walking it up like Kante George does

2473
01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:14.840
<v Speaker 5>and and saunter into an offense, Collier will really push

2474
01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:18.640
<v Speaker 5>it and he'll he'll he'll he'll make a quick speed

2475
01:54:18.680 --> 01:54:21.840
<v Speaker 5>pass to somebody up ahead to try and get something early.

2476
01:54:22.319 --> 01:54:25.079
<v Speaker 5>And that's what I just like, that mindset that, you know,

2477
01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:28.079
<v Speaker 5>trying to push it, push it, to be aggressive that way.

2478
01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:31.880
<v Speaker 5>He's a young guy. He's two years removed from high school,

2479
01:54:32.359 --> 01:54:34.600
<v Speaker 5>so he's got a ways to go. But I like

2480
01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:39.359
<v Speaker 5>some of his natural tendencies when he has the ball

2481
01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:42.640
<v Speaker 5>in his hand to get it to teammates. That that now,

2482
01:54:43.840 --> 01:54:47.079
<v Speaker 5>his issue, obviously is he can't shoot, and so does

2483
01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:52.079
<v Speaker 5>that get appreciably better or at least better enough that

2484
01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:54.399
<v Speaker 5>that he can stay in the lineup and stay on

2485
01:54:54.439 --> 01:54:57.520
<v Speaker 5>the floor late in games and make some things happen.

2486
01:54:57.600 --> 01:55:00.239
<v Speaker 5>But I like his game a little bit. It's one

2487
01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:03.560
<v Speaker 5>on me a little bit. But a lot of the

2488
01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:06.039
<v Speaker 5>other guys, you know, the jury still, I'm not sure

2489
01:55:06.359 --> 01:55:08.560
<v Speaker 5>how many of them, if any of them, will be

2490
01:55:08.560 --> 01:55:09.760
<v Speaker 5>be here long term.

2491
01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:12.279
<v Speaker 2>So let's let's dig in a call here a little

2492
01:55:12.279 --> 01:55:14.760
<v Speaker 2>bit more, because I agree with you there are a

2493
01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:18.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of things to like seven plus or seven games

2494
01:55:18.319 --> 01:55:22.399
<v Speaker 2>with ten plus assists. No jazz rookie's ever done that. Now,

2495
01:55:22.479 --> 01:55:24.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure John could have pulled that off if he

2496
01:55:24.279 --> 01:55:26.000
<v Speaker 2>played a little bit more as a rookie was behind

2497
01:55:26.079 --> 01:55:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Rocky Green. But you reference the splits, the shooting splits.

2498
01:55:29.720 --> 01:55:33.039
<v Speaker 2>He's twenty one percent from three, So it's not like, yeah,

2499
01:55:33.079 --> 01:55:35.119
<v Speaker 2>he can't really shoot it, No, he can't shoot it

2500
01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>at all. But there are some things about him that

2501
01:55:39.319 --> 01:55:43.319
<v Speaker 2>are in eight that he has that I wasn't sure

2502
01:55:43.680 --> 01:55:46.399
<v Speaker 2>that would translate to pro basketball because we didn't see

2503
01:55:46.439 --> 01:55:49.159
<v Speaker 2>a ton of him in college and only saw one year.

2504
01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:52.680
<v Speaker 2>And your point, it's important to reiterate two years out

2505
01:55:52.680 --> 01:55:54.239
<v Speaker 2>of high school is he's a puppy.

2506
01:55:54.479 --> 01:55:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's so young.

2507
01:55:56.119 --> 01:55:58.840
<v Speaker 2>But there are some things that he has that you

2508
01:55:58.880 --> 01:56:01.800
<v Speaker 2>can't necessarily teach, and then there are some things that

2509
01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:04.960
<v Speaker 2>he has to work on, namely shooting. If he puts

2510
01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:08.479
<v Speaker 2>in the work, Okay, tap into your knowledge forty plus

2511
01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:11.039
<v Speaker 2>years you know with the Jazz, do you have a

2512
01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:13.319
<v Speaker 2>success story that we can point to as a young

2513
01:56:13.319 --> 01:56:15.800
<v Speaker 2>player that I mean, I can remember Carl as a

2514
01:56:15.880 --> 01:56:17.920
<v Speaker 2>rookie shooting free throws and you're like, dude, just hit

2515
01:56:17.960 --> 01:56:19.439
<v Speaker 2>the rim, so maybe we can get the rebound. He

2516
01:56:19.479 --> 01:56:22.199
<v Speaker 2>turned into a seventy five percent free throw shooter. Yeah,

2517
01:56:22.239 --> 01:56:24.399
<v Speaker 2>you can learn to shoot it, right, Like you think

2518
01:56:24.439 --> 01:56:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Isaiah can learn to be a thirty five percent three

2519
01:56:27.359 --> 01:56:27.920
<v Speaker 2>point shooter.

2520
01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:32.159
<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, time will tell. I don't know what kind

2521
01:56:32.159 --> 01:56:34.359
<v Speaker 5>of a worker he is. I don't know if he's

2522
01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:37.920
<v Speaker 5>a guy who's determined to do that. You know again,

2523
01:56:38.680 --> 01:56:41.399
<v Speaker 5>you know, we'll we'll see that bear itself out as

2524
01:56:41.439 --> 01:56:45.359
<v Speaker 5>we go forward. The one thing about him, he's got

2525
01:56:45.439 --> 01:56:49.800
<v Speaker 5>elite speed. When he gets the ball out of bounds,

2526
01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:52.720
<v Speaker 5>he can really push it, and he can really push

2527
01:56:52.760 --> 01:56:56.880
<v Speaker 5>it quickly. And he also has a great first step

2528
01:56:57.720 --> 01:56:59.840
<v Speaker 5>when he gets the ball in a half court off

2529
01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:02.960
<v Speaker 5>and he sees that he has a slight advantage on

2530
01:57:03.039 --> 01:57:05.720
<v Speaker 5>his guy, he can really he can put it on

2531
01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:09.880
<v Speaker 5>the floor and he can get two steps really quickly

2532
01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:13.000
<v Speaker 5>right to the dotted line. And and then he's got

2533
01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:16.680
<v Speaker 5>that powerful body. He's got like a Marcus Smart type body,

2534
01:57:17.039 --> 01:57:19.920
<v Speaker 5>and so he can he can get it. He can

2535
01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:24.359
<v Speaker 5>get it with speed he sees the floor. Uh, he's

2536
01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:27.800
<v Speaker 5>gotta he's gotta smooth out those rough edges. Will he

2537
01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:33.720
<v Speaker 5>ever be a serviceable shooter? Okay, well, we'll see that.

2538
01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:36.720
<v Speaker 5>That was also a concern with Marcus Smart when he

2539
01:57:36.760 --> 01:57:40.159
<v Speaker 5>came into the league. And obviously he made himself into

2540
01:57:40.319 --> 01:57:43.479
<v Speaker 5>a bona fide uh A player in this league and

2541
01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:45.680
<v Speaker 5>and and obviously was a defensive Player of the Year

2542
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:49.800
<v Speaker 5>a couple of years ago. You know, this kid has

2543
01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:55.319
<v Speaker 5>the chance to be something like that with his innate speed,

2544
01:57:56.560 --> 01:58:00.560
<v Speaker 5>uh feel for the game. Now, can he can smooth

2545
01:58:00.600 --> 01:58:03.239
<v Speaker 5>out the other the other parts of his game to

2546
01:58:03.359 --> 01:58:07.560
<v Speaker 5>make him himself more valuable and someone who gets more

2547
01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:11.159
<v Speaker 5>extended time as he goes along. But he's a guy

2548
01:58:11.239 --> 01:58:13.920
<v Speaker 5>who I would I would if I was a fan,

2549
01:58:14.039 --> 01:58:16.800
<v Speaker 5>I'd be keeping an eye on to see how he

2550
01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:20.960
<v Speaker 5>improves because he has he has the body and he

2551
01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:25.359
<v Speaker 5>has some of the innate athleticism that you need in

2552
01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:29.960
<v Speaker 5>this league as a lead guard to to have some success.

2553
01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:33.680
<v Speaker 5>Can he can he grow into that three years from

2554
01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:37.600
<v Speaker 5>now when he's twenty three years old. Is he appreciably

2555
01:58:37.680 --> 01:58:40.399
<v Speaker 5>better and is he one of the guys you're counting on.

2556
01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:43.079
<v Speaker 5>That's one of the things that you want to take

2557
01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:43.760
<v Speaker 5>into account.

2558
01:58:44.199 --> 01:58:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's tough, man, you know, it really is tough

2559
01:58:46.760 --> 01:58:49.159
<v Speaker 2>to make this team interesting when they're not trying to win,

2560
01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:51.479
<v Speaker 2>and even the people to cover them day to day

2561
01:58:51.560 --> 01:58:54.039
<v Speaker 2>or just kind of doing everything they possibly can to

2562
01:58:54.079 --> 01:58:56.000
<v Speaker 2>try to come up with topics that are interesting. I

2563
01:58:56.720 --> 01:58:59.000
<v Speaker 2>do think there are some things to like about Isaiah.

2564
01:58:59.119 --> 01:59:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I do think Walker shown a very real step forward.

2565
01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:04.720
<v Speaker 2>It was tough to see Taylor Hendrick go down. It

2566
01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:08.520
<v Speaker 2>would have been nice to analyze his growth. The rookie

2567
01:59:08.600 --> 01:59:11.880
<v Speaker 2>year of Cody Williams. Okay, now, Cody's had some injury issues,

2568
01:59:12.239 --> 01:59:15.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm pulling up his numbers right now. So Cody right

2569
01:59:15.239 --> 01:59:17.840
<v Speaker 2>now has played in twenty seven games.

2570
01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:18.800
<v Speaker 1>He started twelve.

2571
01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:21.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, when you pick a guy in the top ten,

2572
01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:23.199
<v Speaker 2>I just think you hope it looks a little bit

2573
01:59:23.319 --> 01:59:25.600
<v Speaker 2>better than it has. I know he's had some moments

2574
01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:28.479
<v Speaker 2>in the G League. But you know, as we're trying

2575
01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:30.399
<v Speaker 2>to analyze who these young players are, whether or not

2576
01:59:30.479 --> 01:59:32.520
<v Speaker 2>they can be part of winning basketball, we've got to

2577
01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:35.439
<v Speaker 2>talk about these rookies. I mean, do you think behind

2578
01:59:35.439 --> 01:59:37.720
<v Speaker 2>closed doors they're a little bit concerned even though he

2579
01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:38.880
<v Speaker 2>is still just a kid.

2580
01:59:39.439 --> 01:59:43.479
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, I don't know. It's that's that's hard

2581
01:59:43.520 --> 01:59:47.079
<v Speaker 5>to say just because of you know, without being there

2582
01:59:47.119 --> 01:59:50.199
<v Speaker 5>every day and being in practice, being in film sessions

2583
01:59:50.279 --> 01:59:53.000
<v Speaker 5>talking to those guys one on one to get a

2584
01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:56.399
<v Speaker 5>real feel for who they are, what their mindset is,

2585
01:59:56.560 --> 02:00:00.399
<v Speaker 5>what their what their desires are to be a a

2586
02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:05.279
<v Speaker 5>top level professional. It's hard to say. For me. This

2587
02:00:05.399 --> 02:00:08.119
<v Speaker 5>year for for Cody Williams has been a wash out.

2588
02:00:09.079 --> 02:00:13.760
<v Speaker 5>He's he's been a bust uh for me as far

2589
02:00:13.960 --> 02:00:18.239
<v Speaker 5>as showing any kind of potential. You know, he's long,

2590
02:00:18.319 --> 02:00:21.520
<v Speaker 5>he's thin, okay, whatever, you know, so what does that

2591
02:00:21.600 --> 02:00:24.319
<v Speaker 5>mean you know and uh uh you know my old

2592
02:00:24.399 --> 02:00:27.960
<v Speaker 5>colleague and and and obviously one of the one of

2593
02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:30.279
<v Speaker 5>you guys on on the radio station here weekly or

2594
02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:33.680
<v Speaker 5>Coach Cheese, you know, would always would always come back with,

2595
02:00:34.039 --> 02:00:36.039
<v Speaker 5>you know, if you brought up a guy that that

2596
02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:39.079
<v Speaker 5>he didn't he didn't like, or question about what he

2597
02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:41.239
<v Speaker 5>could what he could do to help you, he'd always

2598
02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:44.800
<v Speaker 5>come back with just this three word question, which was

2599
02:00:44.840 --> 02:00:48.760
<v Speaker 5>always very salient, you know, as succinct as it could be.

2600
02:00:49.199 --> 02:00:53.319
<v Speaker 5>You'd bring up a guy and you'd say, Cody Williams, Cordy, Cody,

2601
02:00:53.520 --> 02:00:57.039
<v Speaker 5>Cody Williams. He'd go to do what do what? Yeah,

2602
02:00:57.680 --> 02:01:00.560
<v Speaker 5>to do what? You know? And and and that's what

2603
02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:03.880
<v Speaker 5>I would say about him. You know, somebody brings him up,

2604
02:01:03.920 --> 02:01:06.760
<v Speaker 5>I go to do what? You know? What does he do?

2605
02:01:07.279 --> 02:01:09.600
<v Speaker 5>You know, he doesn't guard anybody. He doesn't use that

2606
02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:14.119
<v Speaker 5>length athleticism, he doesn't hasn't shown any toughness. He doesn't

2607
02:01:14.199 --> 02:01:17.239
<v Speaker 5>have any kind of offensive game that he could go to,

2608
02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:20.399
<v Speaker 5>whether it's a dribbled drive game and use his athleticism

2609
02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:23.560
<v Speaker 5>to get up and over guys and do that or

2610
02:01:23.600 --> 02:01:26.479
<v Speaker 5>around guys with quickness or can't shoot it over the

2611
02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:28.039
<v Speaker 5>top of guy. You know, I don't know what he does.

2612
02:01:28.119 --> 02:01:31.199
<v Speaker 5>So so this has been an interesting year for him.

2613
02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:34.359
<v Speaker 5>I think he I would I would label it as

2614
02:01:34.399 --> 02:01:39.640
<v Speaker 5>a disappointment myself. I don't know what they see in

2615
02:01:39.760 --> 02:01:43.239
<v Speaker 5>him going forward. If if it's just he has to

2616
02:01:43.239 --> 02:01:46.960
<v Speaker 5>get his mindset, he has to get some toughness, he

2617
02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:50.239
<v Speaker 5>has to get some strength his body, he has to

2618
02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:53.039
<v Speaker 5>get a skill level up. Although you know, for me,

2619
02:01:53.239 --> 02:01:55.680
<v Speaker 5>for him on that if you're grading him out on

2620
02:01:55.720 --> 02:01:58.720
<v Speaker 5>a on a report card, you know, all those things

2621
02:01:58.760 --> 02:02:01.640
<v Speaker 5>are things that he has to get better at or

2622
02:02:01.680 --> 02:02:04.640
<v Speaker 5>he's not gonna you know, graduate to the next class.

2623
02:02:04.840 --> 02:02:07.319
<v Speaker 5>You know, that's that's just the way it is. And

2624
02:02:07.399 --> 02:02:10.079
<v Speaker 5>so you know, they have quite a few of those

2625
02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:13.479
<v Speaker 5>guys for me, but he's one that sticks out that

2626
02:02:13.520 --> 02:02:16.239
<v Speaker 5>you go, yeah, he just to me, it looks like he's,

2627
02:02:16.439 --> 02:02:18.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, not sure what he's doing out there and

2628
02:02:19.079 --> 02:02:21.840
<v Speaker 5>doesn't doesn't play with a lot of confidence and doesn't

2629
02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:24.920
<v Speaker 5>play with any you know, like Collier. He makes a mistake, okay,

2630
02:02:24.960 --> 02:02:27.159
<v Speaker 5>he throws up in the fourth row, whatever, but he

2631
02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:30.680
<v Speaker 5>plays with a certain amount of confidence and and and toughness,

2632
02:02:30.840 --> 02:02:34.600
<v Speaker 5>at least offensively aggressiveness. I should say but but Cody

2633
02:02:34.600 --> 02:02:37.359
<v Speaker 5>Williams for me is uh is a is a big,

2634
02:02:37.399 --> 02:02:39.159
<v Speaker 5>big question mark? All right?

2635
02:02:39.319 --> 02:02:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I just look, there's just nothing to talk about with

2636
02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the roster. They're not serious about winning.

2637
02:02:44.920 --> 02:02:46.319
<v Speaker 2>We all know what time it is, we all know

2638
02:02:46.359 --> 02:02:48.399
<v Speaker 2>what they're trying to do. It makes it really challenging

2639
02:02:48.520 --> 02:02:51.560
<v Speaker 2>day to day to try to even make it somewhat fascinating.

2640
02:02:51.640 --> 02:02:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Jazz fans continue to show up. Jazz fans rule, and

2641
02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I think the building will be packed tonight. But when

2642
02:02:56.600 --> 02:02:59.159
<v Speaker 2>it comes to what JJ Reddick has now at his disposal,

2643
02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I was listening to media after the Jazz game and

2644
02:03:03.079 --> 02:03:04.800
<v Speaker 2>then he did some media I want to say it

2645
02:03:04.840 --> 02:03:08.720
<v Speaker 2>was yesterday maybe after practice. Made a point that with

2646
02:03:08.840 --> 02:03:11.760
<v Speaker 2>their roster now, the third best defender on the opposing

2647
02:03:11.800 --> 02:03:14.800
<v Speaker 2>team as to guard Austin Reeves. Now, Austin is not

2648
02:03:14.880 --> 02:03:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Luca Lebron, but he's a good player. You can run

2649
02:03:17.159 --> 02:03:19.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff through Austin Reeves. He's a capable ball handler, he

2650
02:03:20.279 --> 02:03:22.399
<v Speaker 2>passes it pretty well and when he gets going, he

2651
02:03:22.399 --> 02:03:26.439
<v Speaker 2>can really score. But obviously the headline is Lebron and

2652
02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:29.439
<v Speaker 2>it's Luca. How do you think this is going to

2653
02:03:29.520 --> 02:03:31.439
<v Speaker 2>work and what do you think JJ is going to

2654
02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:34.239
<v Speaker 2>try to implement to make sure because they now have

2655
02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:37.119
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to play forty eight minutes of pro basketball

2656
02:03:37.159 --> 02:03:40.199
<v Speaker 2>with either Luka Doncic or Lebron James. I still think

2657
02:03:40.239 --> 02:03:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma City is head and shoulders above everybody. I will

2658
02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:44.319
<v Speaker 2>not bury the Denver Nuggets, even though a lot of

2659
02:03:44.319 --> 02:03:46.359
<v Speaker 2>people have. Jamal Murray's been better as of late, but

2660
02:03:46.359 --> 02:03:48.399
<v Speaker 2>they have the best player on the planet, Nicola Jokic.

2661
02:03:49.039 --> 02:03:50.960
<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to what JJ Reddick has at

2662
02:03:50.960 --> 02:03:53.359
<v Speaker 2>his disposal, Jazz fans going to the game, what do

2663
02:03:53.359 --> 02:03:55.880
<v Speaker 2>you think this Laker attack is going to look like

2664
02:03:56.319 --> 02:03:59.199
<v Speaker 2>right away? And what's best case as far as what

2665
02:03:59.239 --> 02:03:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it looks like when it's.

2666
02:03:59.800 --> 02:04:03.239
<v Speaker 5>Fun, Well, I think that you know it's it's you know,

2667
02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:06.800
<v Speaker 5>they have two and a half guys. Uh if you're

2668
02:04:06.800 --> 02:04:10.560
<v Speaker 5>talking about being a serious contender, whether it's donc James

2669
02:04:11.079 --> 02:04:13.600
<v Speaker 5>and and Austin Reaves, who I like some You know,

2670
02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:17.680
<v Speaker 5>Austin Reeves is a beneficiarya of having played with two

2671
02:04:17.760 --> 02:04:21.119
<v Speaker 5>great players so far in his career in Davis and James.

2672
02:04:21.479 --> 02:04:24.560
<v Speaker 5>Now he's playing with James and Doncic, and so he

2673
02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:26.720
<v Speaker 5>gets to do some things and maybe he's you know,

2674
02:04:26.760 --> 02:04:29.199
<v Speaker 5>if he's with the jazz team, I don't think he's

2675
02:04:29.239 --> 02:04:32.600
<v Speaker 5>as effective because he'd be asked to do too many

2676
02:04:32.640 --> 02:04:35.159
<v Speaker 5>things that he's not used to doing it at a

2677
02:04:35.239 --> 02:04:38.399
<v Speaker 5>high volume level. But but I like the way he plays.

2678
02:04:38.439 --> 02:04:41.239
<v Speaker 5>I liked him at Oklahoma. You know, he played well,

2679
02:04:41.560 --> 02:04:44.439
<v Speaker 5>you know in college, was an all around kind of guy.

2680
02:04:45.119 --> 02:04:47.720
<v Speaker 5>But he's a guy who who plays off of the

2681
02:04:47.720 --> 02:04:50.439
<v Speaker 5>strengths of his teammates. And he's been playing with a

2682
02:04:50.479 --> 02:04:53.960
<v Speaker 5>couple of great teammates, you know, so far in l

2683
02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:57.119
<v Speaker 5>A and and that's been switched out. But we'll see what,

2684
02:04:58.680 --> 02:05:01.039
<v Speaker 5>you know, how it is going forward. But they still

2685
02:05:01.079 --> 02:05:04.680
<v Speaker 5>have a big problem with their roster. You know, Mark Williams,

2686
02:05:04.960 --> 02:05:10.479
<v Speaker 5>the trade didn't go through, and now the other kid

2687
02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:12.920
<v Speaker 5>just got hurt, you know, the other big guy that

2688
02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:15.479
<v Speaker 5>they have the name of Caseman at the moment with

2689
02:05:15.560 --> 02:05:18.239
<v Speaker 5>the Lakers, and so now you know, they're they're really down.

2690
02:05:19.479 --> 02:05:23.039
<v Speaker 5>You know, they're short. Big guy whether it's Jared Vanderbilt

2691
02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:26.479
<v Speaker 5>is going to try and plug in there. It's gonna

2692
02:05:26.479 --> 02:05:31.279
<v Speaker 5>be tough. Their roster is not very good beyond those guys,

2693
02:05:31.399 --> 02:05:34.199
<v Speaker 5>and so they have to rely when they get to

2694
02:05:34.239 --> 02:05:37.520
<v Speaker 5>the playoffs, they have to hope that Doncic and James

2695
02:05:37.560 --> 02:05:40.760
<v Speaker 5>are healthy, that Reeves is healthy, which you know he's

2696
02:05:40.760 --> 02:05:43.720
<v Speaker 5>been for the most part. But Doncic and James are

2697
02:05:43.760 --> 02:05:46.640
<v Speaker 5>gonna be playing, you know, forty two forty three, forty

2698
02:05:46.640 --> 02:05:51.640
<v Speaker 5>four minutes in playoff games. And we've seen both guys

2699
02:05:52.079 --> 02:05:55.359
<v Speaker 5>be able to lift their teams up with the way

2700
02:05:55.399 --> 02:05:59.600
<v Speaker 5>that they play. And so I wouldn't put anything past

2701
02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:02.600
<v Speaker 5>a team that has a healthy Lebron James on it

2702
02:06:03.560 --> 02:06:07.319
<v Speaker 5>because he's he's always proven that he's that good, you know,

2703
02:06:07.359 --> 02:06:10.720
<v Speaker 5>when the when the real lights come on. So can

2704
02:06:10.760 --> 02:06:13.399
<v Speaker 5>they get past Okay, see, can they get past Memphis,

2705
02:06:13.800 --> 02:06:15.880
<v Speaker 5>which is a very good team when they're healthy? Can

2706
02:06:15.880 --> 02:06:20.279
<v Speaker 5>they get past a healthy Denver team? You know these guys,

2707
02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:23.680
<v Speaker 5>these are tough uh teams that that are going to

2708
02:06:23.720 --> 02:06:26.199
<v Speaker 5>give them a lot of problems. You know, is Golden

2709
02:06:26.199 --> 02:06:28.800
<v Speaker 5>State gonna be better uh towards the end of the

2710
02:06:28.840 --> 02:06:31.479
<v Speaker 5>season when when Jimmy Butler gets in the in the

2711
02:06:31.600 --> 02:06:34.159
<v Speaker 5>flow and if those guys are healthy, you know, with

2712
02:06:34.319 --> 02:06:37.079
<v Speaker 5>Green and Curry, you know, can they make some kind

2713
02:06:37.119 --> 02:06:40.439
<v Speaker 5>of noise in in the in the playoffs? It's you know,

2714
02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:43.079
<v Speaker 5>as we always say, Spence, the old worn out adage, right,

2715
02:06:43.119 --> 02:06:46.920
<v Speaker 5>the best players best ability is his availability. And so

2716
02:06:47.039 --> 02:06:48.680
<v Speaker 5>that's what it comes down to when you get to

2717
02:06:48.720 --> 02:06:51.319
<v Speaker 5>the to the playoffs, is who's who's on the floor,

2718
02:06:51.720 --> 02:06:55.439
<v Speaker 5>who's healthy and and can they can they carry a

2719
02:06:55.479 --> 02:06:59.439
<v Speaker 5>team over a seven game stretch, you know, and and

2720
02:06:59.520 --> 02:07:00.760
<v Speaker 5>that kind of an atmosphere.

2721
02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:04.640
<v Speaker 2>He referenced the Mark Williams trade being rescinded, which meant

2722
02:07:05.319 --> 02:07:07.640
<v Speaker 2>the Lakers had to tell Dalton Connect they actually liked

2723
02:07:07.640 --> 02:07:10.199
<v Speaker 2>them a lot all along. And same thing on the

2724
02:07:10.199 --> 02:07:13.000
<v Speaker 2>other side. That has to be a unique challenge when

2725
02:07:13.159 --> 02:07:15.159
<v Speaker 2>a trade is done. You were telling a story off

2726
02:07:15.159 --> 02:07:18.039
<v Speaker 2>air about the Ronnie Cyclic deal back in the day.

2727
02:07:18.439 --> 02:07:21.079
<v Speaker 2>It really, you know, would have given you guys a

2728
02:07:21.199 --> 02:07:24.840
<v Speaker 2>very talented center. My understanding of the story is Ronnie

2729
02:07:24.880 --> 02:07:27.319
<v Speaker 2>did not want to live in Salt Lake City. What's

2730
02:07:27.359 --> 02:07:30.520
<v Speaker 2>it like when the trade is actually consummated and then

2731
02:07:30.720 --> 02:07:32.840
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, it falls apart, then you have to

2732
02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:34.760
<v Speaker 2>remind the guy who trade to wait, no, we actually do.

2733
02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:37.079
<v Speaker 5>Like you well, you know back then, you know, spence

2734
02:07:37.720 --> 02:07:40.760
<v Speaker 5>to refresh memories of our fans. I mean, maybe some

2735
02:07:40.840 --> 02:07:44.319
<v Speaker 5>haven't even heard this story, but in ninety eight February

2736
02:07:44.359 --> 02:07:47.840
<v Speaker 5>of ninety eight, near the trade deadline, the Jazz decided

2737
02:07:47.880 --> 02:07:52.039
<v Speaker 5>to try and get an offensive threat in the center

2738
02:07:52.079 --> 02:07:55.239
<v Speaker 5>position to go along with Karl Malan, John Stockton, Jeff

2739
02:07:55.239 --> 02:07:58.800
<v Speaker 5>Horniseck making another push toward a second NBA Finals. So

2740
02:07:58.840 --> 02:08:01.760
<v Speaker 5>they got a deal done with Orlando where they were

2741
02:08:02.560 --> 02:08:08.119
<v Speaker 5>willing to trade Chris Morris, Greg Foster, and the first

2742
02:08:08.159 --> 02:08:12.479
<v Speaker 5>round pick to the Orlando Magic for Ronnie Cyclely. And

2743
02:08:12.600 --> 02:08:15.800
<v Speaker 5>Ronnie Cyclely was an offensive center, was a good player

2744
02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:18.319
<v Speaker 5>and would have fit in well with what the Jazz

2745
02:08:18.319 --> 02:08:22.680
<v Speaker 5>are doing at that time, and the Jazz in Orlando

2746
02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:26.119
<v Speaker 5>actually made the trade. Chris Morris and Greg Foster went

2747
02:08:26.159 --> 02:08:30.159
<v Speaker 5>to Orlando, they did their physical, they actually attended an

2748
02:08:30.319 --> 02:08:35.039
<v Speaker 5>Orlando practice, and then they were pulled off the court

2749
02:08:35.119 --> 02:08:40.800
<v Speaker 5>after practice, and Ronnie Cyclely was balking about coming, balking

2750
02:08:40.880 --> 02:08:44.359
<v Speaker 5>about coming, something about you know, whether he wanted to

2751
02:08:44.399 --> 02:08:47.039
<v Speaker 5>play here or he wanted his contract extended, if he

2752
02:08:47.119 --> 02:08:50.760
<v Speaker 5>was coming something something, And so finally the traders just

2753
02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:53.239
<v Speaker 5>called off, and the parties involve said, you know what,

2754
02:08:53.920 --> 02:08:56.720
<v Speaker 5>there's too much heavy lifting going on here. We're just

2755
02:08:56.760 --> 02:08:59.880
<v Speaker 5>going back to what we had. And so Greg Foster

2756
02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:04.119
<v Speaker 5>and Chris Morris come back to the Jazz. They have

2757
02:09:04.199 --> 02:09:07.000
<v Speaker 5>a meeting with Jerry Sloan. You guys got a problem.

2758
02:09:07.479 --> 02:09:09.560
<v Speaker 5>You know, this is the NBA, this is the business.

2759
02:09:09.720 --> 02:09:12.239
<v Speaker 5>Both guys are like, now, you know, we get it whatever,

2760
02:09:12.720 --> 02:09:15.600
<v Speaker 5>And we ended up. The Jazz ended up that year

2761
02:09:15.680 --> 02:09:18.880
<v Speaker 5>going on and making another run to the to the

2762
02:09:19.119 --> 02:09:22.239
<v Speaker 5>their second NBA Finals in ninety eight, with both those

2763
02:09:22.279 --> 02:09:25.720
<v Speaker 5>guys playing minutes in rotation and and uh and Greg

2764
02:09:25.800 --> 02:09:29.319
<v Speaker 5>Foster doing his famous throat slash and and at near

2765
02:09:29.319 --> 02:09:31.960
<v Speaker 5>the end of Game four in La to to help

2766
02:09:32.039 --> 02:09:34.039
<v Speaker 5>the Jazz go get over the hump and and then

2767
02:09:34.119 --> 02:09:37.680
<v Speaker 5>get to the NBA Finals again. And you know, that's

2768
02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:39.880
<v Speaker 5>just part of the business. You know. You hope you

2769
02:09:39.960 --> 02:09:42.640
<v Speaker 5>got guys who who understand that. I got a young

2770
02:09:42.640 --> 02:09:46.000
<v Speaker 5>guy like Dalton Connect. You know, he's a rookie. Okay,

2771
02:09:46.199 --> 02:09:48.000
<v Speaker 5>you know he's a little bit of an older rookie.

2772
02:09:48.039 --> 02:09:52.079
<v Speaker 5>But you know, you know, guys, Jerry Sloan will always say,

2773
02:09:52.119 --> 02:09:54.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, are your feelings hurt? You know? Okay, well,

2774
02:09:55.000 --> 02:09:56.920
<v Speaker 5>you know you got about ten minutes to get over that,

2775
02:09:57.039 --> 02:10:00.039
<v Speaker 5>and then we got we got work to do. And

2776
02:10:00.039 --> 02:10:02.880
<v Speaker 5>and that's just the business, you know. And it's an

2777
02:10:02.960 --> 02:10:03.840
<v Speaker 5>unfortunate part.

2778
02:10:04.439 --> 02:10:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

2779
02:10:04.720 --> 02:10:07.239
<v Speaker 5>And it's a difficult part because sometimes you know, people's

2780
02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:10.640
<v Speaker 5>families are involved and and those kinds of things and

2781
02:10:11.800 --> 02:10:13.560
<v Speaker 5>you have to deal with that, and that's all part.

2782
02:10:13.720 --> 02:10:16.439
<v Speaker 5>That's why the trade deadline being in the middle of

2783
02:10:16.479 --> 02:10:19.399
<v Speaker 5>the season like that is really is really uneasy for

2784
02:10:19.439 --> 02:10:22.720
<v Speaker 5>everybody because nobody wants to have to go through that

2785
02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:24.760
<v Speaker 5>and and be in situations like that.

2786
02:10:25.439 --> 02:10:27.680
<v Speaker 2>What's one thing before I say you lose that you

2787
02:10:27.760 --> 02:10:32.239
<v Speaker 2>find interesting about tonight because it's, like we've talked about,

2788
02:10:32.359 --> 02:10:34.560
<v Speaker 2>it's tough to cover a team that's not trying to

2789
02:10:34.600 --> 02:10:38.359
<v Speaker 2>win and you're reaching for storylines and maybe Isaiah Colliers

2790
02:10:38.399 --> 02:10:41.039
<v Speaker 2>this or that. Before I set you lose, one interesting

2791
02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:42.159
<v Speaker 2>tidbit for tonight's game.

2792
02:10:42.239 --> 02:10:44.479
<v Speaker 5>Well, I just got one that's way out in left field, Spencer,

2793
02:10:44.520 --> 02:10:47.199
<v Speaker 5>but he doesn't doesn't make any difference about anything.

2794
02:10:47.319 --> 02:10:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

2795
02:10:47.680 --> 02:10:49.600
<v Speaker 5>I was talking to Coach Waiting about this the other day.

2796
02:10:49.960 --> 02:10:52.600
<v Speaker 5>First time I can ever remember, and I'm pretty sure

2797
02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:56.159
<v Speaker 5>this would be right that the Jazz are playing the

2798
02:10:56.239 --> 02:11:02.000
<v Speaker 5>teams from LA four games in a row. Think about it.

2799
02:11:02.239 --> 02:11:05.239
<v Speaker 5>They played the Clippers in LA, play the Lakers in

2800
02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:08.560
<v Speaker 5>LA play the Lakers in Salt Lake play the Clippers

2801
02:11:08.560 --> 02:11:12.720
<v Speaker 5>tomorrow night. They never used to whenever you'd go to LA.

2802
02:11:12.840 --> 02:11:16.720
<v Speaker 5>You never used to play both teams on the same trip.

2803
02:11:17.319 --> 02:11:19.920
<v Speaker 5>They always split it up for whatever reason. So you'd

2804
02:11:19.920 --> 02:11:23.600
<v Speaker 5>always go there, play the Lakers, go back, go to Phoenix,

2805
02:11:23.720 --> 02:11:26.680
<v Speaker 5>go to Sacramento, go somewhere else. Three weeks later, go

2806
02:11:26.760 --> 02:11:30.199
<v Speaker 5>back to LA to play the Clippers. Whatever. Now they've

2807
02:11:30.239 --> 02:11:33.239
<v Speaker 5>got this thing where, you know, an unusual quirk in

2808
02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:36.279
<v Speaker 5>the schedule where they're playing the LA teams four times

2809
02:11:36.279 --> 02:11:39.920
<v Speaker 5>in a row, which is unusual. That's about the best

2810
02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:43.159
<v Speaker 5>thing I can come up with for any interesting storyline

2811
02:11:43.199 --> 02:11:47.520
<v Speaker 5>about the game tonight, Spence, because otherwise, really, let's be honest,

2812
02:11:47.760 --> 02:11:51.319
<v Speaker 5>it's just game fifty one out of eighty two in

2813
02:11:51.439 --> 02:11:55.920
<v Speaker 5>early February that nobody really cares much about other than

2814
02:11:56.720 --> 02:12:02.840
<v Speaker 5>maybe Luca Doncic and Lebron James both play. Maybe they both.

2815
02:12:02.680 --> 02:12:05.000
<v Speaker 2>They're both playing, according to what we've been telling more

2816
02:12:05.159 --> 02:12:08.079
<v Speaker 2>more Laker fans or Jazz fans in the building tonight.

2817
02:12:08.199 --> 02:12:12.520
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's always been a question, uh forever. Any time

2818
02:12:12.560 --> 02:12:15.760
<v Speaker 5>the Lakers come, there's there's always a large contingency of

2819
02:12:16.159 --> 02:12:19.680
<v Speaker 5>Laker fans in the Delta Center building. And which is uh,

2820
02:12:19.920 --> 02:12:22.800
<v Speaker 5>which is always uh? Uh? We always would have a

2821
02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:24.920
<v Speaker 5>big bone to pick with. You know a lot of

2822
02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:28.039
<v Speaker 5>the season ticket holders who would sell their tickets to

2823
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:30.720
<v Speaker 5>some people they knew were Laker fans and try and

2824
02:12:30.720 --> 02:12:32.920
<v Speaker 5>make a bunch of money off them and stuff, and

2825
02:12:32.920 --> 02:12:35.359
<v Speaker 5>and the Laker fans always show up. They always show

2826
02:12:35.399 --> 02:12:36.079
<v Speaker 5>up in Lake.

2827
02:12:36.319 --> 02:12:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Smittiewell, great to see you. As always,

2828
02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:41.720
<v Speaker 2>we'll continue to make NBA basketball and interesting, even though

2829
02:12:41.720 --> 02:12:42.800
<v Speaker 2>the Jazz are tough to cover.

2830
02:12:42.920 --> 02:12:44.680
<v Speaker 5>Hey, hey, that's what we're here for.

2831
02:12:44.840 --> 02:12:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, enjoy the game. We'll see you, say man.

2832
02:12:46.760 --> 02:12:46.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

2833
02:12:47.000 --> 02:12:49.159
<v Speaker 1>The great Richard Smith forty years with the Jazz front

2834
02:12:49.199 --> 02:12:49.359
<v Speaker 1>off