Speaker 1: Gregory Wrightstone, and he is a very experienced person in
Speaker 1: terms of science, actual science, talking about climate change. He
Speaker 1: is a geologist with more than thirty five years of
Speaker 1: experience researching and studying various aspects of the Earth's processes.
Speaker 1: He was recently accepted as an expert reviewer for the
Speaker 1: un IPCC, the Inner Governmental Panel on Climate Change. And
Speaker 1: I'll have to ask him about that. Maybe he is
Speaker 1: somebody kind of like Scott Atlas on the COVID team
Speaker 1: loan dissenter. But his science and fact based approach exposes
Speaker 1: many of the alarmist myths concerning our changing climate. Gregory
Speaker 1: is a strong proponent of the scientific process and believes
Speaker 1: that policy decisions should be driven by science, by facts,
Speaker 1: by data, not by a political agenda. The book that
Speaker 1: he has published is A very Convenient Warming, How Modest
Speaker 1: Warming and more co two are benefiting humanity. Great to
Speaker 1: have you on. Thank you for joining us, Gregory Wrightstone.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, David, actually for the new book.
Speaker 2: My birthday was last week and I woke up on
Speaker 2: the well my birthday, went to the computer and loan
Speaker 2: and behold that A very convenient Warming. My newest book
Speaker 2: was at number one best seller on Amazon and what
Speaker 2: a birthday gift. I couldn't have asked for anything better.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, my first book was a regular there.
Speaker 2: So we're trying to get the word out. I'm also
Speaker 2: executive director of the CO two Coalition, which is the
Speaker 2: pre eminent scientific organization of skeptical scientists. We have physicists,
Speaker 2: I'm a geologist, energy experts and the like, and they
Speaker 2: all believe as I do, is that CO two is
Speaker 2: beneficial by a lot. He's usually beneficial, and there is
Speaker 2: no climate crisis and we should celebrate how earthse ecosystems
Speaker 2: are thriving and prospering.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree one hundred percent with that, and yeah,
Speaker 1: this stuff about carbon sequestration is just the most astounding
Speaker 1: thing I have ever seen. But again, that website is
Speaker 1: CO two Coalition dot org, and we'll talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more about that as well. But what we're seeing
Speaker 1: in the news, and you've experienced a little bit of
Speaker 1: this as well. They have all seized upon these hurricanes
Speaker 1: as climate change. Tell us a little bit about what
Speaker 1: you've been going through there in Florida.
Speaker 2: You're in Florida, Well, well, I've been pointing out I
Speaker 2: use science facts and data, but data to support my
Speaker 2: stances and my narrative. And it flies in the face
Speaker 2: of most of all you're hearing on the media, mainstream
Speaker 2: media and in hurricanes. I've been tested. My beliefs that
Speaker 2: climate changes and driving hurricanes have been tested in the
Speaker 2: last two weeks, but I still came through and I'm looking,
Speaker 2: I'm relying on my scientific work to dispute a man
Speaker 2: made driven climate crisis. My home is an Apollo Beach
Speaker 2: about twelve miles south of Tampa. And if you recall
Speaker 2: a day and a half or two days before landfall,
Speaker 2: he was at a Cat five and man, my home
Speaker 2: was right and acrosshairs and we looked even some of
Speaker 2: the seasoned old salts in the area. They looked at
Speaker 2: it and they said, man, we're bailing out. We've never
Speaker 2: left before. It looked bad and because it was going
Speaker 2: to hit it. But our experts in the two Coalition
Speaker 2: were saying, no, no, no, no, no, it's going to
Speaker 2: land as a category two, maybe category three. This is
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. And they also predicted that there
Speaker 2: would be no instead of a storm surge at Tampa.
Speaker 2: They told me, no, we saw it at end, and
Speaker 2: when the end struck, this will be about to be similar.
Speaker 2: There will actually be a negative surge. In other words,
Speaker 2: it would suck water out of the band. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what they found. So it made we bailed out. We've
Speaker 2: been hit the week before by Helene. We escaped any flooding,
Speaker 2: but the area around us was hit pretty hard. A
Speaker 2: bookkeeper's home was was devastated. We actually did a GoFundMe
Speaker 2: campaign for her and raised thirty three thousand dollars in
Speaker 2: two days. And what a blessing that was to her,
Speaker 2: She says, in my darkest time of my life, you
Speaker 2: guys came through and I may just you know, you're
Speaker 2: you're being You're brightening and making this so much more bearable.
Speaker 2: So we can do one We we can't help everybody,
Speaker 2: but we helped her. But we made what seemed to
Speaker 2: be a reasonable decision instead of fleeing north, but to
Speaker 2: go southeast to the other side of the state. And
Speaker 2: we went to Vero Beach condo of a friend. And
Speaker 2: if you may recall that, we couldn't have chosen a
Speaker 2: worse place to evacuate too in the United States or
Speaker 2: probably the world. It was this huge super storm cell
Speaker 2: at about four pm came through our area. It was giant,
Speaker 2: it was gnarly, and it was it was scary. And
Speaker 2: the tornadoes hit. And the tornado near us went right
Speaker 2: up along Highway A one A. If you're a Jimmy
Speaker 2: Buffett fan, you know Highway A one A, and it's
Speaker 2: right up by two miles wath of that. It actually
Speaker 2: hit the condo that was next to the part of
Speaker 2: our building was next to us, and it was I
Speaker 2: was doing a live video interview with another host at
Speaker 2: the time, and there's like alarms going off, lightning lights,
Speaker 2: you're flashing. He said, this is great. I mean, you'll
Speaker 2: never have another interview like that, you know, with his
Speaker 2: with his guest in the middle of being hit by
Speaker 2: a tornado in a hurricane. But bear in mind those
Speaker 2: that tornado hit at four point thirty. The landfall didn't
Speaker 2: occur until eight thirty four hours later, so this preceded that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again, I took a look at the our newsletter
Speaker 2: for the CO two Coalition. Go to CO two Coalition
Speaker 2: dot org to subscribe. You'll love it. I give some
Speaker 2: more detail. We're having a newsletter go out today about
Speaker 2: my experience. We also have information. I took a look
Speaker 2: at landfalling hurricanes and that's the best measure if you
Speaker 2: want to look at long term hurricane information. Landfalling hurricanes
Speaker 2: for the United States are the best because we can
Speaker 2: take that confidently. We know every single hurricane that's made
Speaker 2: landfall in the United States going back to at least
Speaker 2: eighteen fifty and that's because they're so big you can't
Speaker 2: miss it. And right we know it's made landfall, it's
Speaker 2: been recorded. And so if we look at landfalling hurricanes,
Speaker 2: we find in the United States there have been in decline.
Speaker 2: I looked at Florida land falling hurricanes and they've also
Speaker 2: been in decline. So that's a pretty good metric. And
Speaker 2: the other thing they're saying is that hurricane intensity is increasing.
Speaker 2: That's not borne out by the evidence. If you look
Speaker 2: at the globally accumulated cyclone energy that Ryan Malley and
Speaker 2: the NOAH do, that's basically an estimate of the intensity
Speaker 2: of the hurricanes, which translates to windspeed, and it's been
Speaker 2: pretty flat. He could probably argue there's been a slight decline,
Speaker 2: but there's definitely been not a significant trend either up
Speaker 2: or down, and in fact, Christopher land Sea. And what
Speaker 2: a great name for he's a Noah hurricane expert, or at.
Speaker 1: Least he used.
Speaker 2: What a great name for a hurricane expert. Christopher land
Speaker 2: Sea is almost as good as a geologist with the
Speaker 2: last name of wright Stone, isn't it Christopher Lansy. One
Speaker 2: of his last he left he told the truth about hurricanes.
Speaker 2: His last analysis said, well, you know, maybe hurricane intensity
Speaker 2: is increasing by maybe one percent. Okay, let me ask you, David,
Speaker 2: if you were standing on C S to key, could
Speaker 2: you tell the difference between one two and one hundred
Speaker 2: and three miles per hour? I think so, and that's
Speaker 2: what so give the minute. Okay, let's say he's right,
Speaker 2: you can't. It's it's so little that it's meaningless.
Speaker 1: And can they measure that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean it is. But you see this panic everywhere
Speaker 1: in the in the UK, the Express, that's what person says, Well,
Speaker 1: maybe I slipped through this, but the headlines storm tracker
Speaker 1: map shows a path of Hurricane Kirk with a monster
Speaker 1: seventy five mile an hour gales to batter Britain and
Speaker 1: it is just filled with over the top bombastic alarmism.
Speaker 1: It's horrific. The UK is bracing for. This is going
Speaker 1: to be brutal, a shocking weather forecast sweeping in with
Speaker 1: widespread destruction, just panic, panic, panic everywhere. And he says, well,
Speaker 1: it didn't even notice that if it came, you know, so,
Speaker 1: and that's what we're seeing. We're seeing that kind of
Speaker 1: hype and they don't really as you point out a
Speaker 1: one percent difference, can they even measure that, as you said,
Speaker 1: you can't feel it. Can they really accurately measure that
Speaker 1: and record it, comparing it to the of measurements that
Speaker 1: they had a century ago? Did they were they accurate?
Speaker 1: Even if they're accurate today. So we don't know that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's all about creating a climate of fear. They
Speaker 2: have to create two words I want to use here,
Speaker 2: fear and control. They need to establish a climate of fear.
Speaker 2: They need you and your viewers to say, oh, oh no,
Speaker 2: it's a climate catastrophe and it's our fault. Millions will die,
Speaker 2: there's a climate crisis, will have crop failure, pestilence and
Speaker 2: nasty population because of man made global warming. So they
Speaker 2: have to establish this climate of fear because they're object
Speaker 2: is really what their proposals are is to control every
Speaker 2: aspect of your life. They want to control how much
Speaker 2: water comes out of your shower, what kind of car
Speaker 2: you drive, how you heat your home, how cool you
Speaker 2: keep it in the summer, and how hot you warm
Speaker 2: it in the winter. That we could go on and
Speaker 2: on on what you eat.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean all that. I mean they're shutting
Speaker 1: down farms now. The EPA is going to start shutting
Speaker 1: down farms with us. It is absolutely amazing, and we
Speaker 1: understand that it's that's what the real purpose of all
Speaker 1: this stuff is. And they have a lot of different
Speaker 1: things that they throw out there, always with the same
Speaker 1: thing in mind. That's why I refer to it as mcguffin.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter what the thing is, but it's
Speaker 1: about creating the fear so that you can bring in
Speaker 1: these controls. And it's always the same controls I want
Speaker 1: to bring.
Speaker 2: In those same people. Aren't they so proud that we
Speaker 2: support choice? I support choice? Well, no, they don't. Now
Speaker 2: I would like to choose what kind of car to drive,
Speaker 2: I would like to choose what kind of dishwasher to buy.
Speaker 2: I'd like to choose all those things, and they don't
Speaker 2: want to give you that choice, do they It's fear
Speaker 2: and control, fear and they want you. Why else would
Speaker 2: we voluntarily give up our freedoms? Only that there truly
Speaker 2: is an existential threat to humanity and it's just not there.
Speaker 2: And what we see, David, this new book. My first
Speaker 2: book was Inconvenient Facts. It's now sold almost one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand copies. It's in that book we established pretty clearly
Speaker 2: that there is no climate crisis. We've gone a step
Speaker 2: further in this new book and with the CO two coalition,
Speaker 2: is not only is there not a climate crisis, but
Speaker 2: by almost every metric we look at Earth, pschosystems are
Speaker 2: thriving and prospering, and humanity is benefiting from that probably
Speaker 2: And you have a Christian show here, and this really
Speaker 2: goes back to the heart of you know, if we
Speaker 2: were going to have killed PEP hundreds of millions of people,
Speaker 2: we should do something about it. But just the opposite
Speaker 2: is occurring. We're seeing a huge benefits to humanity and
Speaker 2: their solutions, particularly in the developing world, the Asia and Africa.
Speaker 2: They want to they don't want to lift these people
Speaker 2: out of poverty by using affordable, abundant reliable energy that
Speaker 2: can be dry from natural gas and coal. They want
Speaker 2: to keep them with their someb down and let them,
Speaker 2: don't let them prosper.
Speaker 1: And that's what they want to do to us as well.
Speaker 1: You've now got the e p A is focused now
Speaker 1: on shutting down power plants. And of course they've been
Speaker 1: shutting them down for a while now because oh, well
Speaker 1: can't have coal or whatever. But the EPA has come
Speaker 1: after them now with a vengeance with their emissions and
Speaker 1: so forth, and so as they shut down the grid. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they need more power for the AI. So they're
Speaker 1: going to put these small nuclear reactors out there, but
Speaker 1: it's only going to be power for them. They're going
Speaker 1: to shut down affordable reliable energy for us. And UH.
Speaker 1: And that that really is the concern, and that really
Speaker 1: is the agenda. I think that is control and impoverish
Speaker 1: and austerity.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: That really is the way that they can control us
Speaker 1: as through poverty.
Speaker 2: It is. And you had two of the three words
Speaker 2: I use for electricity. What we should look for, it's affordable, reliable,
Speaker 2: and abundant. In other words, we can get along. We
Speaker 2: get a big bang for our buck. And that's what
Speaker 2: we get with nuclear as well with nuclear cold natural gas.
Speaker 2: And again, since we are not going into a climate
Speaker 2: crisis that is driven by CO two, but rather CO
Speaker 2: two is beneficial, there's no way we should be trying
Speaker 2: to do carbon capture or take the carbon mitigation strategies.
Speaker 2: We're actually be hurting ourselves. And the other thing that's
Speaker 2: really interesting, it's one of my pet it's the section
Speaker 2: of the book is one of my favorite things to
Speaker 2: talk about, is a strong relationship between human history and
Speaker 2: climate history. To find that it's completely opposite of what
Speaker 2: we're being told. We're being told, oh, we can't, we
Speaker 2: must fear the heat, the heat will cause terrible things. Well,
Speaker 2: look back over the last several thousand years to see
Speaker 2: what happened, to find that we are in a warming trend,
Speaker 2: but it's been warming for more than three hundred years.
Speaker 2: There were three other warming trends similar to what we're
Speaker 2: in right now, but all three were hotter, ended up
Speaker 2: warmer than what we are today, and all three were
Speaker 2: hugely beneficial and improvements we saw to the human condition
Speaker 2: during each one of those warm periods. Life was good,
Speaker 2: food was bountiful. The great empires, the civilizations rose up.
Speaker 2: The first of those was the Bronze Age. It was
Speaker 2: called the Minoan Warm period. The first great civilizations rose up,
Speaker 2: the Assyrians, the Hittits, the Babylonians, the Harapan Empire in
Speaker 2: the Indus River Valley. All those great civilizations around the
Speaker 2: world rose up during a really really warm time. And
Speaker 2: then it started getting cold, and really bad things happened.
Speaker 2: And each one of the times when it started getting cold,
Speaker 2: and we see these cold periods are associated with famine,
Speaker 2: crop failure, pestilence, and masty population. And so it was
Speaker 2: that led to the Greek Dark Age is and it
Speaker 2: really didn't get good until we got into the Roman
Speaker 2: Warm period, the time of Christ. At that time, again
Speaker 2: food was bountiful, life was good. North Africa was the
Speaker 2: bread basket. You may not be aware of the Roman army.
Speaker 2: It's not much of a bread basket today. So it
Speaker 2: then when it started getting cold again. There were a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons for the Roman Empire's fall. Cold was
Speaker 2: probably a contributing factor, and that led to what was
Speaker 2: called the Dark Ages. And then the Medieval Warm period
Speaker 2: was again life was good, empires arose, food was bountiful,
Speaker 2: and then that led to the recent cooling period. Called
Speaker 2: the Little Ice Age. It was probably the coldest time
Speaker 2: of the last ten thousand years, and it was again
Speaker 2: maybe fifty percent of Iceland perish during that time. One
Speaker 2: third of the population of the Earth perish during that time,
Speaker 2: and particularly northern Europe. We have a lot of great
Speaker 2: records of just how terrible it was, recalled Valley Forge
Speaker 2: and George Washington. It was very cold. For example, not
Speaker 2: far from where I am right now is Mount Vernon
Speaker 2: and George when they lived there during this Little Ice Age,
Speaker 2: that was really cool cold. Martha liked to enjoy ice
Speaker 2: center drinks in the summer, so George built an ice house.
Speaker 2: They dug in and he would have his indentured service
Speaker 2: and slaves got down in the winter and it froze very,
Speaker 2: very thick ice every year. It doesn't do that, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think in the eighties there was one winter where
Speaker 2: it did that. So we can use historical data like that.
Speaker 2: People understand that and they'll go, oh, yeah, if the
Speaker 2: Potomac River was freezing solid, nearly solid every winter and
Speaker 2: it only happens once every thirty years, now, well it
Speaker 2: had been a lot colder then, and we can use
Speaker 2: that same historical data to show how warm it was
Speaker 2: during the Medieval warm time period, the Roman warming period,
Speaker 2: and so much warm. But again history tell They would
Speaker 2: call me a science denier, but I would call them
Speaker 2: history deniers because they're denying history shows conclusively that warm
Speaker 2: is much much better than cold. We should welcome you
Speaker 2: once and fear the cold.
Speaker 1: And of course cycles through there, and especially if you've
Speaker 1: got a Roman toga that those drafts can get really bad,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: The ones that they were togas. There's a reason they
Speaker 2: go togas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Washington caught a cold riding around and that was well.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was what killed him. It
Speaker 1: might have been the bleeding in the mercury that they
Speaker 1: gave him.
Speaker 2: But that.
Speaker 1: Brought it all on. Talk a little bit about what happens,
Speaker 1: you know, because part of what we're seeing now is
Speaker 1: we've had situations back in the middle of the teen Unders.
Speaker 1: I forget the exact date when Krakatoa happened. They had
Speaker 1: a little mini ice age at that point in time
Speaker 1: as well, because there was a lot of debris that
Speaker 1: was sent up by the volcano on land. Some people
Speaker 1: have talked about and I forget where it was in
Speaker 1: the South Pacific that was recently, like last year or
Speaker 1: two years ago something. Yeah, that's it. The water volcano
Speaker 1: and that puts up water vapor that has a warming effect.
Speaker 1: If it's a land volcano that has a cooling effect.
Speaker 1: We have so many natural processes that have amazing and
Speaker 1: direct influence. You know, we're talking about solar activity or
Speaker 1: we're talking about volcanic activity. Talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: It's not all man made. What's happening right.
Speaker 2: Well, the increase in CO two is man made for
Speaker 2: the most part. The vast majority is from US using
Speaker 2: fossil fuels. But I'm okay with that. I'm okay with
Speaker 2: a large carbon fliprint because what we're saying is CO
Speaker 2: two is beneficial. We have a paper that I'm finalizing
Speaker 2: right now. It's actually a lengthy ninety two page summary,
Speaker 2: but it's highly detailed science and we'll use seven different
Speaker 2: lines of evidence to verify and conclude that the increase
Speaker 2: in CO two of fifty percent since the Industrial Revolution
Speaker 2: is from man. There are some people out there saying
Speaker 2: it's not, but we're emitting huge amounts of CO two
Speaker 2: into the atmosphere. If you do that, it's got to
Speaker 2: increase atmosphereic CO two and so you know we have that,
Speaker 2: and I started rambling on I forgot the question, the
Speaker 2: original question you asked for.
Speaker 1: Well, I was talking about natural processes in terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, changing the climate and that type of thing.
Speaker 2: They're also there's some false things out there that are
Speaker 2: being spread. One is that volcanoes provide huge amounts of
Speaker 2: CO two. And there's one report to Mount Pinatubo when
Speaker 2: it when rup did it put out more CO two
Speaker 2: and during the eruption than was Man's every emitted. And
Speaker 2: that's just categorically false because we know how much CO
Speaker 2: two was emitted by Man that year I think it
Speaker 2: was nineteen ninety one. We also know closely how much
Speaker 2: CO two was put out by Pinatubo, and it turns
Speaker 2: out that that eruption put out two tenths of the
Speaker 2: percent of the CO two emitted that year of Man two.
Speaker 2: So it's a small contribution that gets a lot of play.
Speaker 2: They try and downplay our contribution to Cooto.
Speaker 1: Well, what I was talking about was the ejection of
Speaker 1: material in the upper atmosphere, which would be a cooling.
Speaker 2: A lot a lot of people think that the volcano.
Speaker 2: There are two types of volcanoes. One's explosive, think Mount
Speaker 2: Saint Helen's Pinatubo. The other type is called effusive volcanoes,
Speaker 2: which just kind of flows out, think of killaway. We
Speaker 2: see that a lot some of the volcano of the
Speaker 2: eruptions at Iceland, these are big, huge lava flows, and
Speaker 2: those tend to put out more CO two than the
Speaker 2: explosive volcanoes. And some of these there were a couple two.
Speaker 2: There were two huge lava flows that were effusive. One
Speaker 2: was called the Deccan Traps. The other was the Siberian Traps.
Speaker 2: These these volcanoes flowed for millions of years, and we're
Speaker 2: emitting CO two for millions of years and probably contribute
Speaker 2: a fair amount of CO two to the atmosphere. These
Speaker 2: explosive volcanoes do not. And it's where then also the explosive volcanoes,
Speaker 2: it's not the solids. You think, well, it's going to
Speaker 2: block out the sun. It does for the fuse that
Speaker 2: falls out pretty quickly, the sulfates, the aerosols and the
Speaker 2: sulfates to get up into the stratosphere that last for
Speaker 2: three four five years. That has a cooling effect because
Speaker 2: what they're doing, is the Sun's reflecting off of those
Speaker 2: so it doesn't get to strike the earth that warming effect.
Speaker 1: And then we talked about the undersea volcano, the one
Speaker 1: that you mentioned again I can't remember that the Congress
Speaker 1: from the tongue. Yeah, okay, well that one.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Another greenhouse gas, of course, the big one is water vapor,
Speaker 1: and if that increases the water vapor by significant percentages
Speaker 1: in that one, that's going to also affect things. My
Speaker 1: point is that you know when you have solar activity,
Speaker 1: when you have something that is going to massively increase
Speaker 1: greenhouse gases like water vapor. You know, there's so many
Speaker 1: things that are natural out there, but they want to
Speaker 1: make it as everything is about man made, right. Do
Speaker 1: you agree with that or you disagree with that? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's be clear. Since CO two CO two is
Speaker 1: a greenhouse gas, CO two is increasing, so it has more.
Speaker 1: CO two has a contribution, has a warming effect on
Speaker 1: the ass atmosphere.
Speaker 2: It's just very small, very modest, and overwhelmed by those
Speaker 2: natural forses. So don't be a denier. Yes, CO two
Speaker 2: has a warming effect, thankfully, but again it's it's overwhelmed
Speaker 2: by these natural forces, and we see through time that
Speaker 2: CO two increases and decreases do not control temperature. Just
Speaker 2: going back through Earth's history to the dawn of time,
Speaker 2: we don't see correlation there, and so we have to
Speaker 2: we have to look at the science, effects and the data,
Speaker 2: put it in a long perspective to figure that out.
Speaker 1: And you know you're the book. Your book title hearkens
Speaker 1: back to al Gore's documentary An Inconvenient Truth. Your book
Speaker 1: is a very convenient warming and as part of his documentary,
Speaker 1: I guess we could laughingly refer to it as but
Speaker 1: as part of his film, let's they say it played
Speaker 1: a very big role. I remember that he had the
Speaker 1: projections of what was going to happen to temperature driven
Speaker 1: and following exactly CO two. As you point out, CO
Speaker 1: two is going up and down. But that direct correlation
Speaker 1: that was there the hockey stick from Michael Man, as
Speaker 1: everybody talks about it. You had that blown up into
Speaker 1: something that was about thirty feet tall and he gets
Speaker 1: on an elevated platform to go up to exaggerate that,
Speaker 1: and that really has Michael Mann's correlation there of his
Speaker 1: hockey stick thing really hasn't played out, has it?
Speaker 2: Let's talk about al Gore. He used eight thousand or
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand years of CO two versus temperature. Well,
Speaker 2: there is a really good correlation over the last several
Speaker 2: hundred thousand years. But it's not CO two driving temperature.
Speaker 2: It's temperature driving CO two changes. And because that's because
Speaker 2: the oceans are the great sink and source for CO two.
Speaker 2: A cold ocean absorbs more CO two, a warm ocean expels.
Speaker 2: Just think about it's kind of contrary to to what
Speaker 2: you might say. If you take a leader jar of
Speaker 2: ginger ale and take it out of the refrigerator and
Speaker 2: open it up, it just goes. But take that leader
Speaker 2: jar of ginger ale and put it out on your
Speaker 2: picnic table and your patio on the sun in August.
Speaker 2: But it's sit there for an hour, and then go
Speaker 2: open it up, and man, it will be like a
Speaker 2: volcano with that CO two that's in the ginger ale
Speaker 2: that's being expelled because it's warm. And that's what we see.
Speaker 2: Warming oceans expel CO two, and so it warms first
Speaker 2: and then CO two increases, and it's delayed by hundreds
Speaker 2: of years. But if you can press it all, which
Speaker 2: al Gore did, his interpretation was just backwards of what
Speaker 2: it should have been. It's not CO two driving temperature,
Speaker 2: it's temperature driving CO two.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, I was involved with a group that
Speaker 1: tried to get the data from Michael Man. He fought
Speaker 1: like a bensheet and was able to win in court
Speaker 1: and not show the data, which had already his conclusions
Speaker 1: that I had been published. He'd collected it. He'd on
Speaker 1: the science at the University of Virginia, so he did
Speaker 1: it on the public dime, and he'd published his conclusions
Speaker 1: and they'd been used to create public policy. And yet
Speaker 1: we could not pry that data from him. And you
Speaker 1: have to wonder why he got it, if it was real.
Speaker 2: Why he's he's a piece of work. He's a nasty
Speaker 2: footish person and he's very like jigeous.
Speaker 1: Yes, we had to be careful what we sayd about
Speaker 1: Michael Man, because we know what we do.
Speaker 2: I was quoting someone else there when I just called him,
Speaker 2: asked him that was a quote, uh, we know from
Speaker 2: Mike mark Stein was the best quo. He lost in
Speaker 2: court to Michael Mann got one million dollar judgment against him.
Speaker 2: But mark Stein said that the hockey stick is a
Speaker 2: reconstruction of temperature using proxies with two problems, the proxies
Speaker 2: and the reconstruction. He said, other than that, you can
Speaker 2: take it to the bank, and that was that's a clent.
Speaker 2: So what he did, he was just proxies are things
Speaker 2: we used for temperature reconstruction or CO two reconstruction through
Speaker 2: back before historical records. And Michael Man used some really
Speaker 2: really horrifically bad proxies to reconstruct temperature. And like you say,
Speaker 2: he's According to him, we had a slowly declining temperature
Speaker 2: up until about the twentieth century and then man, it
Speaker 2: just took off the temperatures the skyrocketed. And he again
Speaker 2: he based that in his reconstructional on just bad, bad,
Speaker 2: bad proxies, particularly tree ring data in the southwest of
Speaker 2: the United States.
Speaker 1: To make it sense, he was a pick. You're starting
Speaker 1: ending points carefully there, doesn't you. But he was also
Speaker 1: involved in climate gate, and that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why he was a focus of the group that I
Speaker 1: was working with, because you know, he was even though
Speaker 1: that was kind of focused in the UK at East
Speaker 1: England University, he was involved back and forth with emails.
Speaker 1: They were talking about we're going to hide the decline
Speaker 1: based on our models. And that's the other thing about this.
Speaker 1: How did these people get a pass for making all
Speaker 1: these predictions. You were talking earlier about the scientists that
Speaker 1: were affiliated with the CO two Coalition dot org and
Speaker 1: how they were pretty accurate in terms of what they
Speaker 1: thought would happen with the hurricane, even the sense that
Speaker 1: the storm surge is going to be negative because it
Speaker 1: was going to you know, land somewhere else, and so,
Speaker 1: you know, we have those types of things and if
Speaker 1: somebody can make a prediction and it comes true, but
Speaker 1: we have these grand predictions that are kind of like
Speaker 1: trying to predict the weather fifty years in advance, and
Speaker 1: they're hysterically wrong, you know, whatever they're predicting, where they're
Speaker 1: talking about the Great Barrier, reef disappearing, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: They keep making these predictions, and yet they never seem
Speaker 1: to be held accountable for making these false predictions with
Speaker 1: their models.
Speaker 2: Actually, go back to May of this year and see
Speaker 2: what no was predicting for this year's hurricane season. They
Speaker 2: were predicting one of the highest number of storms ever
Speaker 2: in record. Well, No, it's it feels particularly particularly for
Speaker 2: me and my wife that it's been a bad hurricane season,
Speaker 2: but were actually under the average for the hurricanes and
Speaker 2: it will probably we may get to the very low
Speaker 2: end of what Noah predicted. But no one they're never
Speaker 2: called on the carpet, yes, right for that, and it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Santa's made that case to a journalist and
Speaker 1: you know, and I had talked about that. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the hurricanes that hit Tampa,
Speaker 1: there was one in eighteen forty eight took exactly the
Speaker 1: path that they were predicting, but you know which this
Speaker 1: one did not take that path, but that was they
Speaker 1: had one that had actually taken that path in eighteen
Speaker 1: forty eight. And then in North Carolina in Ashville in
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one, they also had a hurricane that went
Speaker 1: up there and caused just about the kind of same
Speaker 1: level of destruction in terms of water accumulation of that
Speaker 1: type of thing. Hesitate to use the word flood because
Speaker 1: if you a flood, the insurance companies won't pay them anything,
Speaker 1: So we have to come up with some other name
Speaker 1: for what happened is rain, and so it had that
Speaker 1: kind of rain. But you know, we've seen this type
Speaker 1: of stuff, So it's not unprecedented. And you know these
Speaker 1: were situations that happened. There wasn't really any man made
Speaker 1: industry that was that was doing that one hundred years ago,
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years ago. So you know that
Speaker 1: that is the background. But no matter what they say,
Speaker 1: they're never held accountable to it, and no matter how
Speaker 1: dire and faults their predictions are, it just keeps going.
Speaker 1: It must be an interesting thing to work with the
Speaker 1: U n IPCC because of that. That's a lot about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I actually got in on that at the very
Speaker 2: end and there was very little I could contribute or
Speaker 2: do at that time, so and I was I signed up,
Speaker 2: was accepted, and then I joined the CO two Coalition
Speaker 2: as executive director, and I have been just there was
Speaker 2: just you had to set your priorities and this is
Speaker 2: leading this group of eminent scientists. We just had John
Speaker 2: Klauser join us on our board. He's the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two Nobel Laargate, the physic We've got Patrick Moore on
Speaker 2: our board who's the co founder of Greenpeace and if
Speaker 2: he's wonderful, and doctor William Happer, Emeritis, Professor of Physics
Speaker 2: from Princeton, and he's the He was the inventor of
Speaker 2: the Soviet Soviets sodium guide star laser developed during the
Speaker 2: Star Wars under Reagan and if you if you remember
Speaker 2: SDI star Wars was they were trying to shoot down
Speaker 2: incoming missiles from the Soviet Union and intercept them in
Speaker 2: space using lasers, but they couldn't figure out how to
Speaker 2: do it because they just it was. It was Will Happer,
Speaker 2: our chairman, that invented this ability to keep laser's focused
Speaker 2: through the atmosphere. And now his invention as you at
Speaker 2: every observatory around the world to get crystal clear nighttime images.
Speaker 2: If you ever see an observatory with a yellow beam
Speaker 2: going up from it, that's his sodium guide star laser
Speaker 2: that are used to keep to figure out what's going
Speaker 2: on in the atmosphere so they get crystal clear photographs.
Speaker 2: So these are the type of scientists that we have.
Speaker 2: They're incredible. Yes, it's great, and we stick to the science.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's essential because if they're going to keep
Speaker 1: us afraid of the unknown, and if they're going to say,
Speaker 1: as we saw throughout all this COVID stuff, I'm the
Speaker 1: expert and science is what I say. It is you know,
Speaker 1: that is the antithesis of science. That's what as I
Speaker 1: say often.
Speaker 2: Well, they promote, they promote consensus science. That's the big thing.
Speaker 2: And it's as Michael Clayton famously said, if it's science,
Speaker 2: it's not consensus. If it's consensus, it's not science. And
Speaker 2: Richard Fiman, the great physicist, my favorite quote about consensus.
Speaker 2: He says, I would rather have questions that can't be
Speaker 2: answered than answers that can't be questioned. And that's what
Speaker 2: we have today in climate syms. We have an ant
Speaker 2: and they tell us what the answer is, and you
Speaker 2: dare not question it. You must not. You must and
Speaker 2: they need to silence me and my colleagues at the
Speaker 2: CO two coalition.
Speaker 1: Yes, we've seen that first with climate, and then we
Speaker 1: saw it with the COVID stuff and with medications, and
Speaker 1: now it's everything, you know, anything, they will tell you
Speaker 1: what is true and you cannot question that. And so
Speaker 1: that's the attack that we see on free speech. That's
Speaker 1: happening everywhere, but it's now flowing out everywhere, but it
Speaker 1: began with the climate stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let me just if we have time here,
Speaker 2: just delving, just one of the things, one of the
Speaker 2: proudest things. We're doing scientific papers and we do the
Speaker 2: technical material, but we also had our members were concerned
Speaker 2: about the state of science education in America, and we
Speaker 2: decide to do something about and put a committee of
Speaker 2: mostly PhDs together, and what they've done is incredible. I
Speaker 2: ended up hiring a full time artist, talented artist Chicago
Speaker 2: Hellinger di Silva down in Brazil, and he does We're
Speaker 2: creating books, we're creating videos that are attractive to children
Speaker 2: and students. But most importantly, we're also doing lesson plans
Speaker 2: for homeschooling parents and charter schools. And they're not just
Speaker 2: a lesson plan. It's rare. We actually have a scientist
Speaker 2: doing that, doctor Sharon Camp, PhD in analytic chemistry. She's
Speaker 2: an ap science teacher and reader, and so this is
Speaker 2: science based. We're totally vetted the lesson plans. We've completed
Speaker 2: the first series of book. I've just authored the first
Speaker 2: of the next series. We call it a sleep Well series.
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this. So the title is Chloe the
Speaker 2: Clownfish sleeps Well at Night and it's all It's marvelous.
Speaker 2: Art is fantastic. It is about Chloe that lives in
Speaker 2: the Great Barrier Reef and she's told at school that,
Speaker 2: you know, the Great Barrier Reef in her home was
Speaker 2: going to be destroyed because of man's climate change. We
Speaker 2: would use that story. We're able to use that story
Speaker 2: in an entertaining method to put out the facts about
Speaker 2: what's actually happening with corals and the Great Barrier Reef.
Speaker 2: And I was joined as a co author. Doctor Peter
Speaker 2: Ridd who's one of the top chloral and Great Barrier
Speaker 2: Reef experts, collaborated with me on this, so we you know,
Speaker 2: we have top scientists that work together get to make
Speaker 2: sure we get the story right. But we're kind of
Speaker 2: going we're getting the nose under the camel's tent by
Speaker 2: getting this really interesting material out there.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Yeah, that's one of the big failed
Speaker 1: predictions was a Great Barrier Reef.
Speaker 2: Before we get off of that, I'd like to give
Speaker 2: the website of our CO two Learningcenter dot com. CO
Speaker 2: two Learningcenter dot com. You can go get our books
Speaker 2: for qualifying homeschool organizations or charter schools. We've just brought
Speaker 2: in a shipment of CO two meters that we actually
Speaker 2: give to qualify and no charge to qualifying schools and
Speaker 2: homes and teachers because some of our lesson plans involve
Speaker 2: experiments that require a CO two meter, and you know
Speaker 2: a lot of these people they don't want to spend
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty dollars for a CEO two meter,
Speaker 2: so we've done it for them, and that this is
Speaker 2: our mission. Our mission has provide fact science data and
Speaker 2: are now our mission too is to provide that information
Speaker 2: to students and particularly the homeschool parents. And all three
Speaker 2: of my grandchildren are homeschooled, and it's important. They love
Speaker 2: to use this information. So CO two learning Center dot com.
Speaker 1: That's great. Two Learning center dot Comy. If you don't
Speaker 1: want to be a clownfish, be careful with school that
Speaker 1: you hang out with, right, So that's wonderful that you
Speaker 1: seized on that, and because that is that is really
Speaker 1: the key. You know, you say Chloe sleeps well at night,
Speaker 1: Well that's the problem. They are scaring these kids to death.
Speaker 1: They think that they've got no future, that the world
Speaker 1: is going to end because of CO two emissions, and
Speaker 1: it is absolute insanity. And of course, the only way
Speaker 1: you're going to stop CO two emissions is to starve
Speaker 1: us to death and kill all the people. But I
Speaker 1: think that might be what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Yea, there is that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it certainly is amazing. Well, it's fascinating to
Speaker 1: talk to you again, Gregory Wrightstone and the book is
Speaker 1: a very convenient warming at the top of the list
Speaker 1: on Amazon. And I've got a couple of comments here,
Speaker 1: Brian and Deb McCartney. Can you ask if he has
Speaker 1: heard of the Just Transition Task Force. I'm attending another
Speaker 1: meeting in Northern Minnesota this evening regarding the killing of
Speaker 1: coal fired power. So it's the Just Just Transition task Force.
Speaker 1: So you hear anything about that?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I don't like the word transition. Yeah, it's transition.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about transition of energy, And it's why
Speaker 2: should we transition away from something that's worked wonderfully, that's
Speaker 2: lifted big?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeh? Do we lose you? We lost your audio?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can still hear me not
Speaker 1: if something happened there, still don't have it. There we
Speaker 1: are now, we're back. Now we're back. Okay, that's good.
Speaker 2: It's darn gremlins. We should Why should we transition away
Speaker 2: from reliable, abundant, affordable energy to unreliable energy that's not abundant,
Speaker 2: that's not affordable. It's so the transition. It's a forced
Speaker 2: transition way. I like to let the free market decide,
Speaker 2: and the free market will tell you that it's coal,
Speaker 2: it's natural gas, it may be nuclear for our electricity needs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting, isn't it. You know? And I
Speaker 1: think that they were talking about that. I think they were.
Speaker 1: They're concerned about the killing of coal fired power. That's
Speaker 1: what their concern is. And so I think this other
Speaker 1: group is true, should be transition away from it? Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean you look at I've got magazines here that
Speaker 1: Gregory that I show people from nineteen seventy nine Time
Speaker 1: and Newsweek, and they say, by the middle of the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, we will have no more oil and no
Speaker 1: more natural gas. And I saved those because I knew
Speaker 1: that was nonsense. And then they say, well, we've got
Speaker 1: six hundred and sixty six years of coal. So what
Speaker 1: they do. They decide they're going to get rid of coal.
Speaker 1: You can make coal theme, but they're not required. That's
Speaker 1: one of that, you know, we talk about the UN
Speaker 1: That's one of my pet peeves I talk about frequently,
Speaker 1: and that is the Paris Climate Court. Even people who
Speaker 1: are alarmists were alarmed at the Paris Climate Court because
Speaker 1: they said, well, you're not doing anything to stop this.
Speaker 1: You're going to allow China and India to build as
Speaker 1: many power plants as they wish and not have them
Speaker 1: be clean, and so this is not addressing what our
Speaker 1: global problem is. They think, They said, this is simply
Speaker 1: a transfer of industry to China, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: it is, isn't.
Speaker 2: It It is? It is and bull are they both
Speaker 2: India and China. I think presidents in India Prime Minister Modi,
Speaker 2: I think he's he does care about his people and
Speaker 2: he wants to lift They still have eight hundred million
Speaker 2: people that are living in energy poverty without electricity. He
Speaker 2: wants to lift those people up and provide electricity to
Speaker 2: everyone throughout throughout India. And he's they're going great guns.
Speaker 2: They're mining and breaking records, mining coal, setting records, building
Speaker 2: and producing more electric electricity derived from coal. The natural
Speaker 2: gas isn't very well developed. We can talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about that. I traveled to India and spoke at
Speaker 2: the first natural gas shell gas conference in India a
Speaker 2: number of years ago, and but China prison g number one.
Speaker 2: He's got to be sitting there right now, rubbing his
Speaker 2: hands together and lead because he's we're self destructing. Yes,
Speaker 2: we're undermining our electricity, our economy for no good reason.
Speaker 2: And he's advancing his he's mouthing the words, we're going
Speaker 2: to go to net zero by what twenty seventy twenty eighty.
Speaker 2: Has no intention of doing that now, and they're going
Speaker 2: great guns. And I don't think there's no altruistic bone
Speaker 2: in his body. His goal is to mount and have
Speaker 2: an economy unrivaled in the world, and part of that's
Speaker 2: us getting affordable, reliable, abundant energy. And he's doing it
Speaker 2: with coal. He's using everything. They're building a lot of solar,
Speaker 2: they're doing wind, but it's it's mainly coal that's really
Speaker 2: driving this. And it's plus here in the United States.
Speaker 2: Most of our proposals here. We know about Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: She was pushing electric vehicles until she wasn't, which occurred
Speaker 2: at I don't know why or when, but now she's not.
Speaker 2: But their their whole energy solution. Jennifer Grandholman Department of Energy.
Speaker 2: They want everybody to drive an electric car, which will
Speaker 2: only increase demand for already scarce electricity and lead to
Speaker 2: it's going to be horrible, horrid warble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can look and see what's happening as they're
Speaker 1: demanding that everything be electric, no no gas ranges, all
Speaker 1: electric appliances, all electric cars and anything. As they're doing that,
Speaker 1: they're simultaneously shutting down the grid capacity. And so we
Speaker 1: know where this all leads. And you can see what's
Speaker 1: happening in the UK as well. Their electricity is already
Speaker 1: four times what it is in the United States. They
Speaker 1: just shut down their last steel plant, They just shut
Speaker 1: down their last coal energy plant. They can't compete and
Speaker 1: manufacture anything with China. Mean, China has always had the
Speaker 1: China price, which is their currency. Manipulation and copyright piracy
Speaker 1: and slave labor. Well, now they've got the cheapest energy
Speaker 1: of anybody. That's what's going to happen. All you've got Germany.
Speaker 1: Look at what is happening to the German industry. They're
Speaker 1: having to shut down as well. If we follow this
Speaker 1: path of getting rid of CO two, it is a
Speaker 1: path of suicide. That's why your book is so important
Speaker 1: and the organization is so important. The CO two Coalition
Speaker 1: dot org that you put together got a lot of
Speaker 1: Nobel Prize winning scientists that are their people. Ought to
Speaker 1: bookmark that and get that on your mailing list, and
Speaker 1: the book is a very convenient warming again by Gregory Wrightstone.
Speaker 1: This is a vital issue. It really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, And that's again, that's the mission of
Speaker 2: the CO two Coalition. It's my own personal mission is
Speaker 2: to get the science, the facts and the data out there.
Speaker 2: But what's actually happening. And I'm an optimist, David. I'm
Speaker 2: a true optimist in a lot of things, but particularly
Speaker 2: I believe we're winning. I find I talk to lots
Speaker 2: of people. I do a lot of Uber drivers, and
Speaker 2: I'm converting America one Uber driver at a time. But
Speaker 2: I find just about everybody I talked to it's thirsty
Speaker 2: for the information that we provide, that my books provide
Speaker 2: that the CO two Coalition provides. They're thirsty for this.
Speaker 2: They've never heard of it. So many times their eyes
Speaker 2: get wide open, they go, I've never heard that. Why
Speaker 2: are they lying? Why aren't they telling us that, yes,
Speaker 2: we need to be silenced Yeah, because I'm telling back
Speaker 2: based story at the Ristom.
Speaker 1: And we can see what is happening in the European countries,
Speaker 1: especially in the UK. They're a little bit ahead of us.
Speaker 1: You know this article I covered you today, that's about
Speaker 1: I said, electricity rationing has already begun. They just haven't
Speaker 1: given you a coupon book. And they're talking about how
Speaker 1: they're measuring all of the you know, the time of
Speaker 1: day usage and all the rest of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And people are scrambling to figure out how they're going
Speaker 1: to afford this. I mean, and we've got these offshore
Speaker 1: wind farm that is offshore Long Island. It's going to
Speaker 1: escalate the price of well they're by conservative factor four
Speaker 1: or five times, because they're looking at their profit margin
Speaker 1: is going to be about one and a half times
Speaker 1: what the current entire cost is. So it is amazing
Speaker 1: what is happening with all this, how expensive, how unreliable
Speaker 1: it is, and it really is is going to be
Speaker 1: incredibly destructive for all of our lives. Yeah, well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. And again the book
Speaker 1: is a very convenient warming by Gregory Wrightstone. At the
Speaker 1: time of the Amazon list, Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us, sir, and the CO two Coalition dot org
Speaker 1: also very important, and I'll put that in the resource
Speaker 1: into the description the CO two Learning Center dot com
Speaker 1: because we do have a lot of people who homeschool
Speaker 1: and I know they would be interested in those books
Speaker 1: and that curriculum. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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