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<v Speaker 1>Gregory Wrightstone, and he is a very experienced person in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of science, actual science, talking about climate change. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a geologist with more than thirty five years of

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<v Speaker 1>experience researching and studying various aspects of the Earth's processes.

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<v Speaker 1>He was recently accepted as an expert reviewer for the

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<v Speaker 1>un IPCC, the Inner Governmental Panel on Climate Change. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to ask him about that. Maybe he is

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<v Speaker 1>somebody kind of like Scott Atlas on the COVID team

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<v Speaker 1>loan dissenter. But his science and fact based approach exposes

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<v Speaker 1>many of the alarmist myths concerning our changing climate. Gregory

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<v Speaker 1>is a strong proponent of the scientific process and believes

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<v Speaker 1>that policy decisions should be driven by science, by facts,

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<v Speaker 1>by data, not by a political agenda. The book that

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<v Speaker 1>he has published is A very Convenient Warming, How Modest

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<v Speaker 1>Warming and more co two are benefiting humanity. Great to

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<v Speaker 1>have you on. Thank you for joining us, Gregory Wrightstone.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, David, actually for the new book.

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<v Speaker 2>My birthday was last week and I woke up on

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<v Speaker 2>the well my birthday, went to the computer and loan

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<v Speaker 2>and behold that A very convenient Warming. My newest book

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<v Speaker 2>was at number one best seller on Amazon and what

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<v Speaker 2>a birthday gift. I couldn't have asked for anything better.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, yeah, my first book was a regular there.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're trying to get the word out. I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>executive director of the CO two Coalition, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>pre eminent scientific organization of skeptical scientists. We have physicists,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a geologist, energy experts and the like, and they

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<v Speaker 2>all believe as I do, is that CO two is

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<v Speaker 2>beneficial by a lot. He's usually beneficial, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>no climate crisis and we should celebrate how earthse ecosystems

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<v Speaker 2>are thriving and prospering.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree one hundred percent with that, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff about carbon sequestration is just the most astounding

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<v Speaker 1>thing I have ever seen. But again, that website is

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<v Speaker 1>CO two Coalition dot org, and we'll talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about that as well. But what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>in the news, and you've experienced a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>this as well. They have all seized upon these hurricanes

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<v Speaker 1>as climate change. Tell us a little bit about what

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<v Speaker 1>you've been going through there in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in Florida, Well, well, I've been pointing out I

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<v Speaker 2>use science facts and data, but data to support my

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<v Speaker 2>stances and my narrative. And it flies in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of most of all you're hearing on the media, mainstream

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<v Speaker 2>media and in hurricanes. I've been tested. My beliefs that

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<v Speaker 2>climate changes and driving hurricanes have been tested in the

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<v Speaker 2>last two weeks, but I still came through and I'm looking,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm relying on my scientific work to dispute a man

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<v Speaker 2>made driven climate crisis. My home is an Apollo Beach

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<v Speaker 2>about twelve miles south of Tampa. And if you recall

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<v Speaker 2>a day and a half or two days before landfall,

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<v Speaker 2>he was at a Cat five and man, my home

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<v Speaker 2>was right and acrosshairs and we looked even some of

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<v Speaker 2>the seasoned old salts in the area. They looked at

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<v Speaker 2>it and they said, man, we're bailing out. We've never

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<v Speaker 2>left before. It looked bad and because it was going

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<v Speaker 2>to hit it. But our experts in the two Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>were saying, no, no, no, no, no, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>land as a category two, maybe category three. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen. And they also predicted that there

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<v Speaker 2>would be no instead of a storm surge at Tampa.

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<v Speaker 2>They told me, no, we saw it at end, and

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<v Speaker 2>when the end struck, this will be about to be similar.

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<v Speaker 2>There will actually be a negative surge. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>it would suck water out of the band. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what they found. So it made we bailed out. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been hit the week before by Helene. We escaped any flooding,

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<v Speaker 2>but the area around us was hit pretty hard. A

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<v Speaker 2>bookkeeper's home was was devastated. We actually did a GoFundMe

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<v Speaker 2>campaign for her and raised thirty three thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>two days. And what a blessing that was to her,

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<v Speaker 2>She says, in my darkest time of my life, you

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<v Speaker 2>guys came through and I may just you know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're being You're brightening and making this so much more bearable.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can do one We we can't help everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>but we helped her. But we made what seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be a reasonable decision instead of fleeing north, but to

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<v Speaker 2>go southeast to the other side of the state. And

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<v Speaker 2>we went to Vero Beach condo of a friend. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you may recall that, we couldn't have chosen a

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<v Speaker 2>worse place to evacuate too in the United States or

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<v Speaker 2>probably the world. It was this huge super storm cell

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<v Speaker 2>at about four pm came through our area. It was giant,

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<v Speaker 2>it was gnarly, and it was it was scary. And

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<v Speaker 2>the tornadoes hit. And the tornado near us went right

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<v Speaker 2>up along Highway A one A. If you're a Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Buffett fan, you know Highway A one A, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>right up by two miles wath of that. It actually

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<v Speaker 2>hit the condo that was next to the part of

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<v Speaker 2>our building was next to us, and it was I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing a live video interview with another host at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and there's like alarms going off, lightning lights,

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<v Speaker 2>you're flashing. He said, this is great. I mean, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>never have another interview like that, you know, with his

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<v Speaker 2>with his guest in the middle of being hit by

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<v Speaker 2>a tornado in a hurricane. But bear in mind those

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<v Speaker 2>that tornado hit at four point thirty. The landfall didn't

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<v Speaker 2>occur until eight thirty four hours later, so this preceded that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but again, I took a look at the our newsletter

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<v Speaker 2>for the CO two Coalition. Go to CO two Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>dot org to subscribe. You'll love it. I give some

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<v Speaker 2>more detail. We're having a newsletter go out today about

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<v Speaker 2>my experience. We also have information. I took a look

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<v Speaker 2>at landfalling hurricanes and that's the best measure if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to look at long term hurricane information. Landfalling hurricanes

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<v Speaker 2>for the United States are the best because we can

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<v Speaker 2>take that confidently. We know every single hurricane that's made

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<v Speaker 2>landfall in the United States going back to at least

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen fifty and that's because they're so big you can't

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<v Speaker 2>miss it. And right we know it's made landfall, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been recorded. And so if we look at landfalling hurricanes,

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<v Speaker 2>we find in the United States there have been in decline.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at Florida land falling hurricanes and they've also

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<v Speaker 2>been in decline. So that's a pretty good metric. And

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing they're saying is that hurricane intensity is increasing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not borne out by the evidence. If you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the globally accumulated cyclone energy that Ryan Malley and

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<v Speaker 2>the NOAH do, that's basically an estimate of the intensity

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<v Speaker 2>of the hurricanes, which translates to windspeed, and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>pretty flat. He could probably argue there's been a slight decline,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's definitely been not a significant trend either up

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<v Speaker 2>or down, and in fact, Christopher land Sea. And what

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<v Speaker 2>a great name for he's a Noah hurricane expert, or at.

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<v Speaker 1>Least he used.

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<v Speaker 2>What a great name for a hurricane expert. Christopher land

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<v Speaker 2>Sea is almost as good as a geologist with the

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<v Speaker 2>last name of wright Stone, isn't it Christopher Lansy. One

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<v Speaker 2>of his last he left he told the truth about hurricanes.

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<v Speaker 2>His last analysis said, well, you know, maybe hurricane intensity

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<v Speaker 2>is increasing by maybe one percent. Okay, let me ask you, David,

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<v Speaker 2>if you were standing on C S to key, could

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<v Speaker 2>you tell the difference between one two and one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and three miles per hour? I think so, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what so give the minute. Okay, let's say he's right,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't. It's it's so little that it's meaningless.

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<v Speaker 1>And can they measure that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is. But you see this panic everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the UK, the Express, that's what person says, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I slipped through this, but the headlines storm tracker

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<v Speaker 1>map shows a path of Hurricane Kirk with a monster

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five mile an hour gales to batter Britain and

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<v Speaker 1>it is just filled with over the top bombastic alarmism.

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<v Speaker 1>It's horrific. The UK is bracing for. This is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be brutal, a shocking weather forecast sweeping in with

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<v Speaker 1>widespread destruction, just panic, panic, panic everywhere. And he says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't even notice that if it came, you know, so,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what we're seeing. We're seeing that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hype and they don't really as you point out a

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<v Speaker 1>one percent difference, can they even measure that, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't feel it. Can they really accurately measure that

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<v Speaker 1>and record it, comparing it to the of measurements that

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<v Speaker 1>they had a century ago? Did they were they accurate?

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<v Speaker 1>Even if they're accurate today. So we don't know that, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all about creating a climate of fear. They

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<v Speaker 2>fear and control. They need to establish a climate of fear.

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<v Speaker 2>They need you and your viewers to say, oh, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a climate catastrophe and it's our fault. Millions will die,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a climate crisis, will have crop failure, pestilence and

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<v Speaker 2>nasty population because of man made global warming. So they

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<v Speaker 2>have to establish this climate of fear because they're object

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<v Speaker 2>is really what their proposals are is to control every

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of your life. They want to control how much

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<v Speaker 2>water comes out of your shower, what kind of car

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<v Speaker 2>you drive, how you heat your home, how cool you

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<v Speaker 2>keep it in the summer, and how hot you warm

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<v Speaker 2>it in the winter. That we could go on and

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<v Speaker 2>on on what you eat.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean all that. I mean they're shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down farms now. The EPA is going to start shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down farms with us. It is absolutely amazing, and we

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<v Speaker 1>understand that it's that's what the real purpose of all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is. And they have a lot of different

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<v Speaker 1>thing in mind. That's why I refer to it as mcguffin.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't really matter what the thing is, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>about creating the fear so that you can bring in

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<v Speaker 1>these controls. And it's always the same controls I want

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<v Speaker 2>In those same people. Aren't they so proud that we

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<v Speaker 2>support choice? I support choice? Well, no, they don't. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to choose what kind of car to drive,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to choose all those things, and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to give you that choice, do they It's fear

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<v Speaker 2>and control, fear and they want you. Why else would

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<v Speaker 2>we voluntarily give up our freedoms? Only that there truly

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<v Speaker 2>is an existential threat to humanity and it's just not there.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we see, David, this new book. My first

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<v Speaker 2>book was Inconvenient Facts. It's now sold almost one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand copies. It's in that book we established pretty clearly

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<v Speaker 2>that there is no climate crisis. We've gone a step

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<v Speaker 2>further in this new book and with the CO two coalition,

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<v Speaker 2>is not only is there not a climate crisis, but

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<v Speaker 2>by almost every metric we look at Earth, pschosystems are

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<v Speaker 2>thriving and prospering, and humanity is benefiting from that probably

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<v Speaker 2>And you have a Christian show here, and this really

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to the heart of you know, if we

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<v Speaker 2>were going to have killed PEP hundreds of millions of people,

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<v Speaker 2>we should do something about it. But just the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>is occurring. We're seeing a huge benefits to humanity and

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<v Speaker 2>their solutions, particularly in the developing world, the Asia and Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to they don't want to lift these people

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<v Speaker 2>out of poverty by using affordable, abundant reliable energy that

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<v Speaker 2>can be dry from natural gas and coal. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep them with their someb down and let them,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what they want to do to us as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And that that really is the concern, and that really

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<v Speaker 1>That really is the way that they can control us

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<v Speaker 2>It is. And you had two of the three words

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<v Speaker 2>I use for electricity. What we should look for, it's affordable, reliable,

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<v Speaker 2>And again, since we are not going into a climate

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<v Speaker 2>two is beneficial, there's no way we should be trying

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<v Speaker 2>We're actually be hurting ourselves. And the other thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>we're being told. We're being told, oh, we can't, we

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<v Speaker 2>must fear the heat, the heat will cause terrible things. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>look back over the last several thousand years to see

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, to find that we are in a warming trend,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's been warming for more than three hundred years.

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<v Speaker 2>There were three other warming trends similar to what we're

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<v Speaker 2>in right now, but all three were hotter, ended up

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<v Speaker 2>during each one of those warm periods. Life was good,

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<v Speaker 2>then it started getting cold, and really bad things happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And each one of the times when it started getting cold,

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<v Speaker 2>and we see these cold periods are associated with famine,

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<v Speaker 2>crop failure, pestilence, and masty population. And so it was

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<v Speaker 2>that led to the Greek Dark Age is and it

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<v Speaker 2>Warm period, the time of Christ. At that time, again

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<v Speaker 2>It's not much of a bread basket today. So it

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<v Speaker 2>then when it started getting cold again. There were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of reasons for the Roman Empire's fall. Cold was

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<v Speaker 2>probably a contributing factor, and that led to what was

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<v Speaker 2>and then that led to the recent cooling period. Called

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<v Speaker 2>the Little Ice Age. It was probably the coldest time

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<v Speaker 2>of the last ten thousand years, and it was again

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<v Speaker 2>maybe fifty percent of Iceland perish during that time. One

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<v Speaker 2>third of the population of the Earth perish during that time,

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<v Speaker 2>and particularly northern Europe. We have a lot of great

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<v Speaker 2>records of just how terrible it was, recalled Valley Forge

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<v Speaker 2>and George Washington. It was very cold. For example, not

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<v Speaker 2>and George when they lived there during this Little Ice Age,

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<v Speaker 2>that was really cool cold. Martha liked to enjoy ice

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<v Speaker 2>center drinks in the summer, so George built an ice house.

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<v Speaker 2>They dug in and he would have his indentured service

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<v Speaker 2>and slaves got down in the winter and it froze very,

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<v Speaker 2>very thick ice every year. It doesn't do that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it did that. So we can use historical data like that.

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<v Speaker 2>People understand that and they'll go, oh, yeah, if the

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<v Speaker 2>Potomac River was freezing solid, nearly solid every winter and

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<v Speaker 2>it only happens once every thirty years, now, well it

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<v Speaker 2>had been a lot colder then, and we can use

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<v Speaker 2>that same historical data to show how warm it was

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<v Speaker 2>during the Medieval warm time period, the Roman warming period,

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<v Speaker 2>and so much warm. But again history tell They would

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<v Speaker 2>call me a science denier, but I would call them

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<v Speaker 2>history deniers because they're denying history shows conclusively that warm

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<v Speaker 2>is much much better than cold. We should welcome you

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<v Speaker 2>once and fear the cold.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course cycles through there, and especially if you've

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The ones that they were togas. There's a reason they

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Washington caught a cold riding around and that was well.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that was what killed him. It

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<v Speaker 1>might have been the bleeding in the mercury that they

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<v Speaker 2>But that.

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<v Speaker 1>Brought it all on. Talk a little bit about what happens,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because part of what we're seeing now is

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<v Speaker 1>we've had situations back in the middle of the teen Unders.

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<v Speaker 1>I forget the exact date when Krakatoa happened. They had

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because there was a lot of debris that

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<v Speaker 1>was sent up by the volcano on land. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>have talked about and I forget where it was in

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<v Speaker 1>the South Pacific that was recently, like last year or

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<v Speaker 1>two years ago something. Yeah, that's it. The water volcano

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<v Speaker 1>and that puts up water vapor that has a warming effect.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a land volcano that has a cooling effect.

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<v Speaker 1>We have so many natural processes that have amazing and

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<v Speaker 1>direct influence. You know, we're talking about solar activity or

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about volcanic activity. Talk a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not all man made. What's happening right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the increase in CO two is man made for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part. The vast majority is from US using

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<v Speaker 2>fossil fuels. But I'm okay with that. I'm okay with

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<v Speaker 2>a large carbon fliprint because what we're saying is CO

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<v Speaker 2>two is beneficial. We have a paper that I'm finalizing

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<v Speaker 2>right now. It's actually a lengthy ninety two page summary,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's highly detailed science and we'll use seven different

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<v Speaker 2>lines of evidence to verify and conclude that the increase

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<v Speaker 2>in CO two of fifty percent since the Industrial Revolution

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<v Speaker 2>is from man. There are some people out there saying

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<v Speaker 2>it's not, but we're emitting huge amounts of CO two

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<v Speaker 2>into the atmosphere. If you do that, it's got to

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<v Speaker 2>increase atmosphereic CO two and so you know we have that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I started rambling on I forgot the question, the

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<v Speaker 2>original question you asked for.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was talking about natural processes in terms of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, changing the climate and that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're also there's some false things out there that are

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<v Speaker 2>being spread. One is that volcanoes provide huge amounts of

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<v Speaker 2>CO two. And there's one report to Mount Pinatubo when

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<v Speaker 2>it when rup did it put out more CO two

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<v Speaker 2>and during the eruption than was Man's every emitted. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's just categorically false because we know how much CO

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<v Speaker 2>two was emitted by Man that year I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was nineteen ninety one. We also know closely how much

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<v Speaker 2>CO two was put out by Pinatubo, and it turns

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<v Speaker 2>out that that eruption put out two tenths of the

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the CO two emitted that year of Man two.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a small contribution that gets a lot of play.

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<v Speaker 2>They try and downplay our contribution to Cooto.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what I was talking about was the ejection of

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<v Speaker 1>material in the upper atmosphere, which would be a cooling.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot a lot of people think that the volcano.

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<v Speaker 2>There are two types of volcanoes. One's explosive, think Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Helen's Pinatubo. The other type is called effusive volcanoes,

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<v Speaker 2>which just kind of flows out, think of killaway. We

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<v Speaker 2>see that a lot some of the volcano of the

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<v Speaker 2>eruptions at Iceland, these are big, huge lava flows, and

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<v Speaker 2>those tend to put out more CO two than the

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<v Speaker 2>explosive volcanoes. And some of these there were a couple two.

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<v Speaker 2>There were two huge lava flows that were effusive. One

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<v Speaker 2>was called the Deccan Traps. The other was the Siberian Traps.

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<v Speaker 2>These these volcanoes flowed for millions of years, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>emitting CO two for millions of years and probably contribute

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<v Speaker 2>a fair amount of CO two to the atmosphere. These

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<v Speaker 2>explosive volcanoes do not. And it's where then also the explosive volcanoes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the solids. You think, well, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>block out the sun. It does for the fuse that

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<v Speaker 2>falls out pretty quickly, the sulfates, the aerosols and the

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<v Speaker 2>sulfates to get up into the stratosphere that last for

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<v Speaker 2>three four five years. That has a cooling effect because

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing, is the Sun's reflecting off of those

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<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't get to strike the earth that warming effect.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we talked about the undersea volcano, the one

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<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned again I can't remember that the Congress

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<v Speaker 1>from the tongue. Yeah, okay, well that one.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Another greenhouse gas, of course, the big one is water vapor,

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<v Speaker 1>and if that increases the water vapor by significant percentages

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<v Speaker 1>in that one, that's going to also affect things. My

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<v Speaker 1>when you have something that is going to massively increase

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<v Speaker 1>greenhouse gases like water vapor. You know, there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>things that are natural out there, but they want to

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<v Speaker 1>make it as everything is about man made, right. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you agree with that or you disagree with that? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's be clear. Since CO two CO two is

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<v Speaker 1>a greenhouse gas, CO two is increasing, so it has more.

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<v Speaker 1>CO two has a contribution, has a warming effect on

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<v Speaker 1>the ass atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just very small, very modest, and overwhelmed by those

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<v Speaker 2>natural forses. So don't be a denier. Yes, CO two

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<v Speaker 2>has a warming effect, thankfully, but again it's it's overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 2>by these natural forces, and we see through time that

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<v Speaker 2>CO two increases and decreases do not control temperature. Just

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<v Speaker 2>going back through Earth's history to the dawn of time,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't see correlation there, and so we have to

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<v Speaker 2>we have to look at the science, effects and the data,

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<v Speaker 2>put it in a long perspective to figure that out.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know you're the book. Your book title hearkens

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<v Speaker 1>back to al Gore's documentary An Inconvenient Truth. Your book

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<v Speaker 1>is a very convenient warming and as part of his documentary,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we could laughingly refer to it as but

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<v Speaker 1>as part of his film, let's they say it played

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<v Speaker 1>a very big role. I remember that he had the

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<v Speaker 1>projections of what was going to happen to temperature driven

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<v Speaker 1>and following exactly CO two. As you point out, CO

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<v Speaker 1>two is going up and down. But that direct correlation

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<v Speaker 1>that was there the hockey stick from Michael Man, as

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<v Speaker 1>everybody talks about it. You had that blown up into

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<v Speaker 1>and that really has Michael Mann's correlation there of his

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<v Speaker 1>hockey stick thing really hasn't played out, has it?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about al Gore. He used eight thousand or

420
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<v Speaker 2>four hundred thousand years of CO two versus temperature. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a really good correlation over the last several

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand years. But it's not CO two driving temperature.

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<v Speaker 2>It's temperature driving CO two changes. And because that's because

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<v Speaker 2>the oceans are the great sink and source for CO two.

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<v Speaker 2>A cold ocean absorbs more CO two, a warm ocean expels.

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<v Speaker 2>Just think about it's kind of contrary to to what

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<v Speaker 2>you might say. If you take a leader jar of

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<v Speaker 2>ginger ale and take it out of the refrigerator and

429
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<v Speaker 2>open it up, it just goes. But take that leader

430
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<v Speaker 2>jar of ginger ale and put it out on your

431
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<v Speaker 2>picnic table and your patio on the sun in August.

432
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<v Speaker 2>But it's sit there for an hour, and then go

433
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<v Speaker 2>open it up, and man, it will be like a

434
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<v Speaker 2>volcano with that CO two that's in the ginger ale

435
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<v Speaker 2>that's being expelled because it's warm. And that's what we see.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Warming oceans expel CO two, and so it warms first

437
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<v Speaker 2>and then CO two increases, and it's delayed by hundreds

438
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<v Speaker 2>of years. But if you can press it all, which

439
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<v Speaker 2>al Gore did, his interpretation was just backwards of what

440
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<v Speaker 2>it should have been. It's not CO two driving temperature,

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<v Speaker 2>it's temperature driving CO two.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. Yeah, I was involved with a group that

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get the data from Michael Man. He fought

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<v Speaker 1>like a bensheet and was able to win in court

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<v Speaker 1>and not show the data, which had already his conclusions

446
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<v Speaker 1>that I had been published. He'd collected it. He'd on

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<v Speaker 1>the science at the University of Virginia, so he did

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<v Speaker 1>it on the public dime, and he'd published his conclusions

449
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<v Speaker 1>and they'd been used to create public policy. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>we could not pry that data from him. And you

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<v Speaker 1>have to wonder why he got it, if it was real.

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<v Speaker 2>Why he's he's a piece of work. He's a nasty

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<v Speaker 2>footish person and he's very like jigeous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we had to be careful what we sayd about

455
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<v Speaker 1>Michael Man, because we know what we do.

456
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<v Speaker 2>I was quoting someone else there when I just called him,

457
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<v Speaker 2>asked him that was a quote, uh, we know from

458
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<v Speaker 2>Mike mark Stein was the best quo. He lost in

459
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<v Speaker 2>court to Michael Mann got one million dollar judgment against him.

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<v Speaker 2>But mark Stein said that the hockey stick is a

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<v Speaker 2>reconstruction of temperature using proxies with two problems, the proxies

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<v Speaker 2>and the reconstruction. He said, other than that, you can

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<v Speaker 2>take it to the bank, and that was that's a clent.

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<v Speaker 2>So what he did, he was just proxies are things

465
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<v Speaker 2>we used for temperature reconstruction or CO two reconstruction through

466
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<v Speaker 2>back before historical records. And Michael Man used some really

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<v Speaker 2>really horrifically bad proxies to reconstruct temperature. And like you say,

468
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<v Speaker 2>he's According to him, we had a slowly declining temperature

469
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<v Speaker 2>up until about the twentieth century and then man, it

470
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<v Speaker 2>just took off the temperatures the skyrocketed. And he again

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<v Speaker 2>he based that in his reconstructional on just bad, bad,

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<v Speaker 2>bad proxies, particularly tree ring data in the southwest of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>To make it sense, he was a pick. You're starting

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<v Speaker 1>ending points carefully there, doesn't you. But he was also

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<v Speaker 1>involved in climate gate, and that's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>why he was a focus of the group that I

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<v Speaker 1>was working with, because you know, he was even though

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of focused in the UK at East

480
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 1>England University, he was involved back and forth with emails.

481
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<v Speaker 1>They were talking about we're going to hide the decline

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<v Speaker 1>based on our models. And that's the other thing about this.

483
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<v Speaker 1>How did these people get a pass for making all

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<v Speaker 1>these predictions. You were talking earlier about the scientists that

485
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<v Speaker 1>were affiliated with the CO two Coalition dot org and

486
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<v Speaker 1>how they were pretty accurate in terms of what they

487
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<v Speaker 1>thought would happen with the hurricane, even the sense that

488
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<v Speaker 1>the storm surge is going to be negative because it

489
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<v Speaker 1>was going to you know, land somewhere else, and so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we have those types of things and if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody can make a prediction and it comes true, but

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<v Speaker 1>we have these grand predictions that are kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to predict the weather fifty years in advance, and

494
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<v Speaker 1>they're hysterically wrong, you know, whatever they're predicting, where they're

495
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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Great Barrier, reef disappearing, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>They keep making these predictions, and yet they never seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be held accountable for making these false predictions with

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<v Speaker 1>their models.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, go back to May of this year and see

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<v Speaker 2>what no was predicting for this year's hurricane season. They

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<v Speaker 2>were predicting one of the highest number of storms ever

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<v Speaker 2>in record. Well, No, it's it feels particularly particularly for

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<v Speaker 2>me and my wife that it's been a bad hurricane season,

504
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<v Speaker 2>but were actually under the average for the hurricanes and

505
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<v Speaker 2>it will probably we may get to the very low

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<v Speaker 2>end of what Noah predicted. But no one they're never

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<v Speaker 2>called on the carpet, yes, right for that, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Santa's made that case to a journalist and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I had talked about that. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you look at the hurricanes that hit Tampa,

511
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<v Speaker 1>there was one in eighteen forty eight took exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>path that they were predicting, but you know which this

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<v Speaker 1>one did not take that path, but that was they

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<v Speaker 1>had one that had actually taken that path in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight. And then in North Carolina in Ashville in

516
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty one, they also had a hurricane that went

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<v Speaker 1>up there and caused just about the kind of same

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<v Speaker 1>level of destruction in terms of water accumulation of that

519
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>type of thing. Hesitate to use the word flood because

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<v Speaker 1>if you a flood, the insurance companies won't pay them anything,

521
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<v Speaker 1>So we have to come up with some other name

522
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<v Speaker 1>for what happened is rain, and so it had that

523
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<v Speaker 1>kind of rain. But you know, we've seen this type

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, So it's not unprecedented. And you know these

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<v Speaker 1>were situations that happened. There wasn't really any man made

526
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<v Speaker 1>industry that was that was doing that one hundred years ago,

527
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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty years ago. So you know that

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<v Speaker 1>that is the background. But no matter what they say,

529
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<v Speaker 1>they're never held accountable to it, and no matter how

530
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<v Speaker 1>dire and faults their predictions are, it just keeps going.

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<v Speaker 1>It must be an interesting thing to work with the

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<v Speaker 1>U n IPCC because of that. That's a lot about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I actually got in on that at the very

534
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<v Speaker 2>end and there was very little I could contribute or

535
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<v Speaker 2>do at that time, so and I was I signed up,

536
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<v Speaker 2>was accepted, and then I joined the CO two Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>as executive director, and I have been just there was

538
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<v Speaker 2>just you had to set your priorities and this is

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<v Speaker 2>leading this group of eminent scientists. We just had John

540
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<v Speaker 2>Klauser join us on our board. He's the twenty twenty

541
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<v Speaker 2>two Nobel Laargate, the physic We've got Patrick Moore on

542
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.759
<v Speaker 2>our board who's the co founder of Greenpeace and if

543
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 2>he's wonderful, and doctor William Happer, Emeritis, Professor of Physics

544
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<v Speaker 2>from Princeton, and he's the He was the inventor of

545
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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Soviets sodium guide star laser developed during the

546
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars under Reagan and if you if you remember

547
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<v Speaker 2>SDI star Wars was they were trying to shoot down

548
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<v Speaker 2>incoming missiles from the Soviet Union and intercept them in

549
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<v Speaker 2>space using lasers, but they couldn't figure out how to

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<v Speaker 2>do it because they just it was. It was Will Happer,

551
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<v Speaker 2>our chairman, that invented this ability to keep laser's focused

552
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<v Speaker 2>through the atmosphere. And now his invention as you at

553
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 2>every observatory around the world to get crystal clear nighttime images.

554
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<v Speaker 2>If you ever see an observatory with a yellow beam

555
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.640
<v Speaker 2>going up from it, that's his sodium guide star laser

556
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>that are used to keep to figure out what's going

557
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<v Speaker 2>on in the atmosphere so they get crystal clear photographs.

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<v Speaker 2>So these are the type of scientists that we have.

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<v Speaker 2>They're incredible. Yes, it's great, and we stick to the science.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's essential because if they're going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>us afraid of the unknown, and if they're going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>as we saw throughout all this COVID stuff, I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>expert and science is what I say. It is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the antithesis of science. That's what as I

565
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<v Speaker 1>say often.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they promote, they promote consensus science. That's the big thing.

567
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<v Speaker 2>And it's as Michael Clayton famously said, if it's science,

568
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<v Speaker 2>it's not consensus. If it's consensus, it's not science. And

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Fiman, the great physicist, my favorite quote about consensus.

570
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<v Speaker 2>He says, I would rather have questions that can't be

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<v Speaker 2>answered than answers that can't be questioned. And that's what

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00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 2>we have today in climate syms. We have an ant

573
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<v Speaker 2>and they tell us what the answer is, and you

574
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<v Speaker 2>dare not question it. You must not. You must and

575
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<v Speaker 2>they need to silence me and my colleagues at the

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<v Speaker 2>CO two coalition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we've seen that first with climate, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>saw it with the COVID stuff and with medications, and

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<v Speaker 1>now it's everything, you know, anything, they will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what is true and you cannot question that. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that's the attack that we see on free speech. That's

582
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<v Speaker 1>happening everywhere, but it's now flowing out everywhere, but it

583
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<v Speaker 1>began with the climate stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and let me just if we have time here,

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<v Speaker 2>just delving, just one of the things, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>proudest things. We're doing scientific papers and we do the

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<v Speaker 2>technical material, but we also had our members were concerned

588
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<v Speaker 2>about the state of science education in America, and we

589
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<v Speaker 2>decide to do something about and put a committee of

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<v Speaker 2>mostly PhDs together, and what they've done is incredible. I

591
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 2>ended up hiring a full time artist, talented artist Chicago

592
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<v Speaker 2>Hellinger di Silva down in Brazil, and he does We're

593
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<v Speaker 2>creating books, we're creating videos that are attractive to children

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<v Speaker 2>and students. But most importantly, we're also doing lesson plans

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<v Speaker 2>for homeschooling parents and charter schools. And they're not just

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<v Speaker 2>a lesson plan. It's rare. We actually have a scientist

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<v Speaker 2>doing that, doctor Sharon Camp, PhD in analytic chemistry. She's

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<v Speaker 2>an ap science teacher and reader, and so this is

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<v Speaker 2>science based. We're totally vetted the lesson plans. We've completed

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<v Speaker 2>the first series of book. I've just authored the first

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<v Speaker 2>of the next series. We call it a sleep Well series.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna love this. So the title is Chloe the

603
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<v Speaker 2>Clownfish sleeps Well at Night and it's all It's marvelous.

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<v Speaker 2>Art is fantastic. It is about Chloe that lives in

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Barrier Reef and she's told at school that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Great Barrier Reef in her home was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be destroyed because of man's climate change. We

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<v Speaker 2>would use that story. We're able to use that story

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<v Speaker 2>in an entertaining method to put out the facts about

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<v Speaker 2>what's actually happening with corals and the Great Barrier Reef.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was joined as a co author. Doctor Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Ridd who's one of the top chloral and Great Barrier

613
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<v Speaker 2>Reef experts, collaborated with me on this, so we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have top scientists that work together get to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure we get the story right. But we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>going we're getting the nose under the camel's tent by

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<v Speaker 2>getting this really interesting material out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's great. Yeah, that's one of the big failed

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<v Speaker 1>predictions was a Great Barrier Reef.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get off of that, I'd like to give

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<v Speaker 2>the website of our CO two Learningcenter dot com. CO

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<v Speaker 2>two Learningcenter dot com. You can go get our books

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<v Speaker 2>for qualifying homeschool organizations or charter schools. We've just brought

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<v Speaker 2>in a shipment of CO two meters that we actually

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<v Speaker 2>give to qualify and no charge to qualifying schools and

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<v Speaker 2>homes and teachers because some of our lesson plans involve

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<v Speaker 2>experiments that require a CO two meter, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these people they don't want to spend

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and forty dollars for a CEO two meter,

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<v Speaker 2>so we've done it for them, and that this is

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<v Speaker 2>our mission. Our mission has provide fact science data and

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<v Speaker 2>are now our mission too is to provide that information

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<v Speaker 2>to students and particularly the homeschool parents. And all three

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<v Speaker 2>of my grandchildren are homeschooled, and it's important. They love

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<v Speaker 2>to use this information. So CO two learning Center dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Two Learning center dot Comy. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a clownfish, be careful with school that

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<v Speaker 1>you hang out with, right, So that's wonderful that you

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<v Speaker 1>seized on that, and because that is that is really

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<v Speaker 1>the key. You know, you say Chloe sleeps well at night,

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's the problem. They are scaring these kids to death.

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<v Speaker 1>They think that they've got no future, that the world

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<v Speaker 1>is going to end because of CO two emissions, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is absolute insanity. And of course, the only way

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to stop CO two emissions is to starve

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<v Speaker 1>us to death and kill all the people. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think that might be what they're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, there is that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it certainly is amazing. Well, it's fascinating to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you again, Gregory Wrightstone and the book is

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<v Speaker 1>a very convenient warming at the top of the list

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon. And I've got a couple of comments here,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian and Deb McCartney. Can you ask if he has

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<v Speaker 1>heard of the Just Transition Task Force. I'm attending another

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<v Speaker 1>meeting in Northern Minnesota this evening regarding the killing of

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<v Speaker 1>coal fired power. So it's the Just Just Transition task Force.

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<v Speaker 1>So you hear anything about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't. I don't like the word transition. Yeah, it's transition.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about transition of energy, And it's why

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<v Speaker 2>should we transition away from something that's worked wonderfully, that's

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<v Speaker 2>lifted big?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right? Yeh? Do we lose you? We lost your audio?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you can still hear me not

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<v Speaker 1>if something happened there, still don't have it. There we

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<v Speaker 1>are now, we're back. Now we're back. Okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's darn gremlins. We should Why should we transition away

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<v Speaker 2>from reliable, abundant, affordable energy to unreliable energy that's not abundant,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not affordable. It's so the transition. It's a forced

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<v Speaker 2>transition way. I like to let the free market decide,

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<v Speaker 2>and the free market will tell you that it's coal,

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<v Speaker 2>it's natural gas, it may be nuclear for our electricity needs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is interesting, isn't it. You know? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that they were talking about that. I think they were.

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<v Speaker 1>They're concerned about the killing of coal fired power. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what their concern is. And so I think this other

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<v Speaker 1>group is true, should be transition away from it? Yes, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you look at I've got magazines here that

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<v Speaker 1>Gregory that I show people from nineteen seventy nine Time

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<v Speaker 1>and Newsweek, and they say, by the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, we will have no more oil and no

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<v Speaker 1>more natural gas. And I saved those because I knew

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<v Speaker 1>that was nonsense. And then they say, well, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and sixty six years of coal. So what

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<v Speaker 1>they do. They decide they're going to get rid of coal.

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<v Speaker 1>You can make coal theme, but they're not required. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one of that, you know, we talk about the UN

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of my pet peeves I talk about frequently,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the Paris Climate Court. Even people who

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<v Speaker 1>are alarmists were alarmed at the Paris Climate Court because

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<v Speaker 1>they said, well, you're not doing anything to stop this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to allow China and India to build as

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<v Speaker 1>many power plants as they wish and not have them

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<v Speaker 1>be clean, and so this is not addressing what our

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<v Speaker 1>global problem is. They think, They said, this is simply

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<v Speaker 1>a transfer of industry to China, and that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>it is, isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It It is? It is and bull are they both

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<v Speaker 2>India and China. I think presidents in India Prime Minister Modi,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's he does care about his people and

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to lift They still have eight hundred million

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<v Speaker 2>people that are living in energy poverty without electricity. He

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<v Speaker 2>wants to lift those people up and provide electricity to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone throughout throughout India. And he's they're going great guns.

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<v Speaker 2>They're mining and breaking records, mining coal, setting records, building

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<v Speaker 2>and producing more electric electricity derived from coal. The natural

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<v Speaker 2>gas isn't very well developed. We can talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about that. I traveled to India and spoke at

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<v Speaker 2>the first natural gas shell gas conference in India a

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<v Speaker 2>number of years ago, and but China prison g number one.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got to be sitting there right now, rubbing his

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<v Speaker 2>hands together and lead because he's we're self destructing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we're undermining our electricity, our economy for no good reason.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's advancing his he's mouthing the words, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to net zero by what twenty seventy twenty eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Has no intention of doing that now, and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>great guns. And I don't think there's no altruistic bone

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<v Speaker 2>in his body. His goal is to mount and have

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<v Speaker 2>an economy unrivaled in the world, and part of that's

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<v Speaker 2>us getting affordable, reliable, abundant energy. And he's doing it

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<v Speaker 2>with coal. He's using everything. They're building a lot of solar,

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing wind, but it's it's mainly coal that's really

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<v Speaker 2>driving this. And it's plus here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of our proposals here. We know about Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>She was pushing electric vehicles until she wasn't, which occurred

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<v Speaker 2>at I don't know why or when, but now she's not.

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<v Speaker 2>But their their whole energy solution. Jennifer Grandholman Department of Energy.

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<v Speaker 2>They want everybody to drive an electric car, which will

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<v Speaker 2>only increase demand for already scarce electricity and lead to

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be horrible, horrid warble.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we can look and see what's happening as they're

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<v Speaker 1>demanding that everything be electric, no no gas ranges, all

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<v Speaker 1>electric appliances, all electric cars and anything. As they're doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>they're simultaneously shutting down the grid capacity. And so we

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<v Speaker 1>know where this all leads. And you can see what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening in the UK as well. Their electricity is already

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<v Speaker 1>four times what it is in the United States. They

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<v Speaker 1>just shut down their last steel plant, They just shut

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<v Speaker 1>down their last coal energy plant. They can't compete and

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<v Speaker 1>manufacture anything with China. Mean, China has always had the

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<v Speaker 1>China price, which is their currency. Manipulation and copyright piracy

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<v Speaker 1>and slave labor. Well, now they've got the cheapest energy

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<v Speaker 1>of anybody. That's what's going to happen. All you've got Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at what is happening to the German industry. They're

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<v Speaker 1>having to shut down as well. If we follow this

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<v Speaker 1>path of getting rid of CO two, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>path of suicide. That's why your book is so important

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<v Speaker 1>and the organization is so important. The CO two Coalition

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<v Speaker 1>dot org that you put together got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel Prize winning scientists that are their people. Ought to

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<v Speaker 1>bookmark that and get that on your mailing list, and

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<v Speaker 1>the book is a very convenient warming again by Gregory Wrightstone.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a vital issue. It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, And that's again, that's the mission of

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<v Speaker 2>the CO two Coalition. It's my own personal mission is

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<v Speaker 2>to get the science, the facts and the data out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's actually happening. And I'm an optimist, David. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a true optimist in a lot of things, but particularly

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<v Speaker 2>I believe we're winning. I find I talk to lots

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<v Speaker 2>of people. I do a lot of Uber drivers, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm converting America one Uber driver at a time. But

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<v Speaker 2>I find just about everybody I talked to it's thirsty

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<v Speaker 2>for the information that we provide, that my books provide

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<v Speaker 2>that the CO two Coalition provides. They're thirsty for this.

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<v Speaker 2>They've never heard of it. So many times their eyes

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<v Speaker 2>get wide open, they go, I've never heard that. Why

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<v Speaker 2>are they lying? Why aren't they telling us that, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to be silenced Yeah, because I'm telling back

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<v Speaker 2>based story at the Ristom.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can see what is happening in the European countries,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the UK. They're a little bit ahead of us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know this article I covered you today, that's about

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<v Speaker 1>I said, electricity rationing has already begun. They just haven't

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<v Speaker 1>given you a coupon book. And they're talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>they're measuring all of the you know, the time of

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<v Speaker 1>day usage and all the rest of this kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And people are scrambling to figure out how they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to afford this. I mean, and we've got these offshore

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<v Speaker 1>wind farm that is offshore Long Island. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>escalate the price of well they're by conservative factor four

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<v Speaker 1>or five times, because they're looking at their profit margin

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be about one and a half times

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<v Speaker 1>what the current entire cost is. So it is amazing

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<v Speaker 1>what is happening with all this, how expensive, how unreliable

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<v Speaker 1>it is, and it really is is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly destructive for all of our lives. Yeah, well, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for joining us. And again the book

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<v Speaker 1>is a very convenient warming by Gregory Wrightstone. At the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the Amazon list, Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us, sir, and the CO two Coalition dot org

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<v Speaker 1>also very important, and I'll put that in the resource

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<v Speaker 1>into the description the CO two Learning Center dot com

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<v Speaker 1>because we do have a lot of people who homeschool

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<v Speaker 1>and I know they would be interested in those books

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<v Speaker 1>and that curriculum. Thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me tell you the David Night Show you can

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<v Speaker 4>listen to with your ears. You can even watch it

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<v Speaker 4>by using your eyes. In fact, if you can hear me,

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<v Speaker 4>that means you're listening to the David Night Show right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good job. And you want to know something else,

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<v Speaker 3>You can find all the links to everywhere to watch

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<v Speaker 3>or listen to show at the Davidnightshow dot com. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a website.