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Speaker 2: in here, say Nick, when it comes to nil, do
Speaker 2: you think players now receiving money should make them more
Speaker 2: comfortable with getting fan criticism considering they're getting paid? You know,
Speaker 2: I was given that some thought during the break. I think,
Speaker 2: if you like, let me give you an example. Who's
Speaker 2: the quarterback at Auburn.
Speaker 3: Peyton Thorn. He he got bitched.
Speaker 2: They're going with a different quarterback at Auburn because Auburn's
Speaker 2: off to a rough start, struggled in their first game
Speaker 2: against I'm not even sure who it was, and then
Speaker 2: they lost to Cal and they're now going with a
Speaker 2: different quarterback, and Peyton Thorn. I've seen some comments about him,
Speaker 2: well some comments from him, probably not him going out
Speaker 2: of it, and I don't.
Speaker 3: Know the specifics, but quotes from him have been shared.
Speaker 2: I assume those are quotes that are coming from like
Speaker 2: a press conference or an interview. I doubt he's I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's just randomly throwing out stuff on
Speaker 2: social media. But he made a comment, and I'm not
Speaker 2: picking on the guy, but he made a comment about
Speaker 2: how he received a bunch of messages from angry fans
Speaker 2: that were mad about him sucking and the team losing,
Speaker 2: therefore they lost a bet, and then he made he
Speaker 2: made he made a reference that you know, whenever we
Speaker 2: do play well and they win their bet, I don't
Speaker 2: hear from him and get any of that money, Which
Speaker 2: why would you, like, I don't I mean that to me,
Speaker 2: that just seems a little bit. But long story short,
Speaker 2: nobody wants criticism in a crazy harsh way like you're
Speaker 2: gonna get when an emotional fan is upset you lost, right,
Speaker 2: Like the best opportunity to see grown ups acting like
Speaker 2: children and doing things that is really I would hope
Speaker 2: outside of their true character is when their emotional after
Speaker 2: their team wins and you know they can tweet stuff
Speaker 2: at PLU. I mean, it doesn't happen as often as
Speaker 2: it probably used to. I don't know, maybe it does
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of anonymous people on Twitter, but like,
Speaker 2: you should never tweet at a player, hey you suck,
Speaker 2: or thanks for dropping that pass, like you know people
Speaker 2: are gonna do it. There's never gonna be a scenario
Speaker 2: where that doesn't happen at all. And I think players
Speaker 2: know that it's it's bound to happen every now and then.
Speaker 2: But the best chance to see somebody do it is
Speaker 2: right after their team loses and emotions are high.
Speaker 3: Well, now you got money involved, right.
Speaker 2: It's one thing if people are upset because they're team lost,
Speaker 2: but if they're team lost and there's money that they
Speaker 2: could have been gained if they won, and now it's
Speaker 2: money that's lost, Like, people are gonna act like idiots,
Speaker 2: not condoning it. But I think the hesitancy that you
Speaker 2: would see this is the best way to describe it.
Speaker 2: The hesiitency that you would see previously is now no
Speaker 2: longer there at that same level. Because when you used
Speaker 2: to type up something on Twitter, rather it be a
Speaker 2: DM or an Instagram message, whatever, you would think. Okay, man,
Speaker 2: it's a college kid. I need to calm down. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know he's playing hard. I mean it's I shouldn't
Speaker 2: I shouldn't behave like this. What am I doing? I'm
Speaker 2: a grown up. Why am I acting like this? That
Speaker 2: hesitancy is probably not at the same level, because now
Speaker 2: you're you're thinking, this guy's getting paid. I put in
Speaker 2: five hundred bucks last month from my for the NIL collective.
Speaker 2: This guy's out here sucking. I'm gonna let him know
Speaker 2: about it. So again, nobody should do that. But there
Speaker 2: that's nil or no innil. That's always been a thing,
Speaker 2: fans losing their cool and behaving hopefully out of character.
Speaker 2: Maybe that is their true character, but just you know,
Speaker 2: being jerks to college kids out there playing for the
Speaker 2: level of the game. Now they're playing and they're making money.
Speaker 2: So again that doesn't mean you should do it. I
Speaker 2: just think of you're a college athlete, you should now
Speaker 2: know that like the optics of this, and it's not
Speaker 2: even just the optics, it's what it is. This is
Speaker 2: professional sports, and I don't think the old well, hey.
Speaker 3: We can't boo.
Speaker 2: We're never gonna boo because these guys are just out
Speaker 2: there playing for the love of the game. They're playing
Speaker 2: for that name on the front of the jersey, not
Speaker 2: the back, and they're going to school every day for
Speaker 2: this many hours and man, they just they're out there
Speaker 2: working hard for nothing. Well no, that's not what it
Speaker 2: is now, So I think that alone makes it to
Speaker 2: where these student athletes should just understand that fans are
Speaker 2: gonna be like that at times.
Speaker 3: And I'm curious. I do think.
Speaker 2: Booing is a very sensitive subject in college sports, at
Speaker 2: least I feel like it is, because there's some that
Speaker 2: say you should never boo. These are college kids. And
Speaker 2: there's some people that say that, then they'll boo and
Speaker 2: you know what they say, No, uh.
Speaker 3: I'm booing the coach. I'm booing the coach. I'm not
Speaker 3: booing the players. I'm boo the coach. He's making eight
Speaker 3: million a year. I'm booing his ass. But like nobody knows.
Speaker 2: Like again, it's the effect of booing is not like
Speaker 2: players aren't out there running to the locker room.
Speaker 3: Oh man, you hear these booze men. They're really giving
Speaker 3: it to coach.
Speaker 2: They're gonna know they're booing them all collectively. So now
Speaker 2: that again, it is professional sports and it's right in
Speaker 2: our face. Like maybe you can boo and feel like,
Speaker 2: you know what, these guys are getting paid, they deserve
Speaker 2: to be booed.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 2: But again, it's so stupid how we do it. This
Speaker 2: is pay for play. I mean, you're not paid based
Speaker 2: off of the type of performance that you have. But
Speaker 2: if you're a good player who's produced, probably gonna get
Speaker 2: a bigger nil deal than somebody who doesn't.
Speaker 3: So it is pro sports.
Speaker 2: It is pay for play, but we have to act
Speaker 2: like it's not by calling it name, image, and likeness.
Speaker 2: So maybe that could be the guardrail there where people claim, well, hey,
Speaker 2: they're not they're not being paid to got out here
Speaker 2: and play, So we can't boom them they're getting paid
Speaker 2: because they they tweeted about my business and you know,
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the fact that they are
Speaker 2: the star quarterback, nothing to do that they're a five
Speaker 2: star freshmen coming in out of high school. You know,
Speaker 2: they're they're they're not. They're only doing this because of
Speaker 2: who they are, not because of their their status as
Speaker 2: an athlete. So it's an interesting question. I still think
Speaker 2: we're relatively new and early into this new world of
Speaker 2: college sports now being pro sports. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I don't think fans should ever DM a player, regardless
Speaker 2: of anything pro or college, Like why would you wait,
Speaker 2: like you think they need that? Like what's productive about that? Now,
Speaker 2: With that said, if you're a pro athlete making millions
Speaker 2: and you're underperforming. I think you should just expect fans
Speaker 2: to act like that. I mean, again, I'm just that's
Speaker 2: not my nature. I'm not a I mean, I can't think.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever randomly written somebody a
Speaker 2: message on the Internet telling them I hate them or
Speaker 2: that they suck, because that's just not how I'm not
Speaker 2: to say that I'm holier than now. I've done a
Speaker 2: lot of stupid stuff, but like, that's not my personality.
Speaker 2: Although sometimes when I feel like the show is not great, IDM, John,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you suck so much as a producer, get
Speaker 2: your act together. Not really I would have the heart
Speaker 2: to do that. But have you ever had the urge
Speaker 2: to tweet it a player? John at a player?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't either.
Speaker 4: I think even when I was younger, I mean, there
Speaker 4: was definitely a point where I was a lot more
Speaker 4: emotional with my fandom, especially with Indiana, But I never
Speaker 4: once felt like, oh, I'm gonna go, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go tweet it Jordan holes and talk about how
Speaker 4: bad of a point guard he's been tonight. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I've never thought to do that. But that you never
Speaker 4: thought to do it because Jordan Holes was fantastic. But
Speaker 4: another reason Ever tweeted him.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like that that's that wasn't coming
Speaker 2: from a certain place, was like, you're not You're not
Speaker 2: blaming him for Tom Crean not being able to effectively
Speaker 2: execute against the zone against Syracuse back in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: Right, there were a lot of.
Speaker 4: High school games I remember where, like towards the end
Speaker 4: of the Tom creen era, where Tom Crean would go
Speaker 4: and scout a player. I think maybe he was going
Speaker 4: to watch his son. I can't remember the exact specifics.
Speaker 3: When they kissed.
Speaker 4: No, that wasn't when they kissed. But there were fans
Speaker 4: because they were so angry with Tom Crean, if they
Speaker 4: saw him at the game, they would boo him at
Speaker 4: the high school game. And that's very it's a very
Speaker 4: uncomfortable thing.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's the best word to describe it. It's uncomfortable because you
Speaker 2: can kind of understand and no coach truly views it
Speaker 2: this way, at least not any that I've ever actually known,
Speaker 2: and I don't know many coaches. But if fans are
Speaker 2: gonna boo you at a high school game that you're attending,
Speaker 2: that's a good fan base. Sounds crazy to say, but
Speaker 2: they care. They are passionate and you need that. So
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not condoning it, and I'm sure no.
Speaker 2: If it was me, i'd say, what's this lunatic doing?
Speaker 2: Get this guy out of here, harassing me when I'm
Speaker 2: not even at work, Like it is crazy, But fans
Speaker 2: who care that much to do it are the most
Speaker 2: passionate fan base, which that's always mattered, right, because you're
Speaker 2: gonna need all that support and just you know, you're
Speaker 2: a big deal in your in your own state and
Speaker 2: in your city, within your fan base, like everybody wants that,
Speaker 2: but now it's you can leverage it with money that
Speaker 2: you need to go get players. So you know, anytime
Speaker 2: a coach brings up negativity from fans or from media,
Speaker 2: that's the biggest tell that they're they're they're done. Not
Speaker 2: to say that they're gonna never win again and they're
Speaker 2: gonna get fired, but they're they're defeated at that point.
Speaker 2: They are, I mean, because you're trying to get sympathy
Speaker 2: when like you just need to go. You need to
Speaker 2: understand your job is to win, like Dabbo right like
Speaker 2: after they got their ass kicked by Georgia. What did
Speaker 2: he talk about? I'm content in my life. I know
Speaker 2: you can't change that for me. Y'all gonna ride about
Speaker 2: the good stuff, and we do the good stuff. Gonna
Speaker 2: ride about the badge Stubb, but we do the bad stuff.
Speaker 2: Don't matter to me. And then he went on for
Speaker 2: like two minutes talking about how he doesn't care, doesn't
Speaker 2: read it, and clearly it does trigger him. So you know,
Speaker 2: anytime a coach does that, they're they're they're dealing with it.
Speaker 2: They're struggling. Not to say that they can't recover from it.
Speaker 2: But like Billy Napier, I mean, they had the worst
Speaker 2: start they could have had with that blowout loss to
Speaker 2: Miami on their home field in Gainesville, and he started
Speaker 2: making references about we can't ignore the fans in central
Speaker 2: Florida in their basements, like that's insult. First of all, again,
Speaker 2: I did neetver even brought this up. I gotta be
Speaker 2: I've said a lot of dumb stuff on this show
Speaker 2: over the years. I've said a lot of dumb stuff.
Speaker 2: Probably the last five minutes hand up total dumbass on.
Speaker 2: I had no clue Florida houses didn't have basements, Like
Speaker 2: it made sense, but like I didn't know why that
Speaker 2: became such a bad comment from him, Like because it
Speaker 2: turned into where nobody was mad that he was like
Speaker 2: deflecting and blaming fan negativity and acting like people are
Speaker 2: not helping him whenever it's his job to get his
Speaker 2: guys focused on winning and executing and not paying attention
Speaker 2: to the Internet. But it actually turned out to where
Speaker 2: people just made fun of him because he didn't know
Speaker 2: that the state that he's in where he coaches at
Speaker 2: the University of Florida, nobody in those homes in that
Speaker 2: state has a basement. And you know, I kept thinking,
Speaker 2: like wait a second, really, and then sure enough, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no I mean again, it makes sense. I just
Speaker 2: had never I've been to Florida many times in my life.
Speaker 2: I've been to homes in Florida, and I never once
Speaker 2: thought about it that they never have a basement. That
Speaker 2: to me, that's a reason you don't live in Florida.
Speaker 2: Basements are great.
Speaker 4: Maybe because he's Billy Napier. Maybe he built his own
Speaker 4: house there, I mean not with his own hand, but
Speaker 4: had his house built and put his own basement, and
Speaker 4: he's the only one in Florida, and so he assumes
Speaker 4: everybody else has a basement.
Speaker 2: But like, if you went to a builder rather you're
Speaker 2: talking about a single family home and a modest price
Speaker 2: or millions of millions of dollars that you have to
Speaker 2: spend on a home. If you go to de develop
Speaker 2: to a developer and say you want a basement, like,
Speaker 2: will they do it?
Speaker 4: I mean maybe if you throw a little extra under
Speaker 4: the table. I mean I'm not saying.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, are you allowed to have a basement
Speaker 3: in Florida.
Speaker 4: I don't think you are. I think it's a flood concern.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can't be the I mean maybe
Speaker 2: I am. Maybe this is just what I say to
Speaker 2: kind of really acknowledge like that I didn't realize how
Speaker 2: dumb I was. Like, I can't be the only one
Speaker 2: that didn't realize that, right, Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4: I wish I could feel for you, But I've had
Speaker 4: family in Florida for years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, says Yes, it's technically possible to build a basement
Speaker 2: in some parts of Florida, but they are uncommon and
Speaker 2: can be very challenging to construct. Apparently that Florida water,
Speaker 2: the high water table down there in Florida is a
Speaker 2: big factor.
Speaker 4: Who to thunk?
Speaker 3: Who will?
Speaker 2: I mean again, you sometimes I really learn a lot
Speaker 2: just by saying something really stupid and being corrected by people.
Speaker 2: And that's not really what this was. But had I
Speaker 2: been you know, had I not seen the internet mocking
Speaker 2: this man for the basement reference, I would have never
Speaker 2: known that that was like a weird thing to say
Speaker 2: when you're the coach in Florida and literally there's no
Speaker 2: basements in central Florida. And if he wasn't like so
Speaker 2: sensitive already because he knows he's going to get fired,
Speaker 2: he could lean into that and have fun with it.
Speaker 2: And that's always what you should do as a coach.
Speaker 2: Don't need yourself too seriously, you know, make fun of yourself.
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Speaker 2: it's not. And that's kind of you know, that's a
Speaker 2: negative thing, right, because Fridays are great. But I'm now
Speaker 2: just I'm now embracing Thursday as the new Friday because
Speaker 2: that's when football starts. We've got some NFL action tonight,
Speaker 2: good college games as well, and then football the next
Speaker 2: few days. It's good stuff. So I'm doing well all considered.
Speaker 2: Somebody who's not doing well Christian McCaffrey. He was held
Speaker 2: out of the opener for the Niners, a guy who's
Speaker 2: been super impressive throughout his career but also has had
Speaker 2: some nagging injuries during his time. But the conversation here
Speaker 2: is not just about Mason, who stepped in and did
Speaker 2: phenomenal in McCaffrey's place. But he might have slipped up
Speaker 2: and said something maybe his bosses wouldn't have liked him
Speaker 2: to say. He's probably being very honest, but he did
Speaker 2: say after the game that he found out on Friday
Speaker 2: night that he would be getting the start. That has
Speaker 2: led to a lot of people claiming that the Niners
Speaker 2: might have broken a rule. Only they could really tell
Speaker 2: us that, right. I guess my question, Larry, is I
Speaker 2: feel like it's important to let these NFL franchises know.
Speaker 2: There's now a rule in college where you've got to
Speaker 2: release an injury report if you're in the SEC, and
Speaker 2: I believe there's another league that does it as well.
Speaker 2: But I feel like you could probably get away with
Speaker 2: being dishonest, and they would have a really tough time
Speaker 2: proving that.
Speaker 5: Well. I don't know if the word dishonest I would
Speaker 5: use it. But keep in mind that these categories of
Speaker 5: questionable and doubtful are not absolute lines. They're not they're
Speaker 5: not objective criteria. I think the NFL gets up or
Speaker 5: the you know, forty nine ers get to pass on
Speaker 5: this one. They listed him as questionable, so in theory,
Speaker 5: they could have asked Mason to you know, be the
Speaker 5: starter on Friday, but you know, said he's going to
Speaker 5: come in in special situations. That's not you know, unusual.
Speaker 5: I think the other part of it is that apparently
Speaker 5: in this you know, that incident caused Kyle Shanahan to
Speaker 5: come out admit that McCafferty not only has some CAF issues.
Speaker 5: He's got some achilles issues, which makes more sense to
Speaker 5: me why they kept them out, because he said if
Speaker 5: it was a playoff game, he would have played. But
Speaker 5: if you've got some vulnerabilities and achilles ten in this
Speaker 5: early in the season, you can risk a complete tear
Speaker 5: and then it is, you know, then the year is
Speaker 5: over with. It looks like he's gonna, you know, be
Speaker 5: dressed and ready to play this weekend. From from all reports.
Speaker 5: So the NFL has not said they're going to investigate.
Speaker 5: I don't think that they will the truth be told.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, Joe Burrows last year in that
Speaker 5: incident with his wrist may have even been you know,
Speaker 5: that might have been a little bit more obfuscation than
Speaker 5: this incident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it'd be a waste of resources
Speaker 2: to really invest in looking into this because you know,
Speaker 2: you're right, dishonesty is probably not really what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, heck, they could have told Jordan Mason, hey, look,
Speaker 2: you're you're likely going to be getting a bulk of
Speaker 2: the carries regardless of what happens with CMC, just because
Speaker 2: of his situation. And if you're a teammate, then you're
Speaker 2: aware that he's dealing with with with a nagging injury.
Speaker 2: I I guess I'm asking you to speculate here, But
Speaker 2: do you think because there's so much money being bet
Speaker 2: on the NFL now, that they just feel like having
Speaker 2: the protocol in place and telling these franchises they need to,
Speaker 2: you know, give updates Like I just think it's more
Speaker 2: of a if it's more of a of a cover
Speaker 2: your own rear end kind of thing.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any heightened sensitivity just because there's
Speaker 5: more legalized gambling, because there's been more illegal gambling. That's true,
Speaker 5: many years.
Speaker 3: That's true, And.
Speaker 5: So I don't know that this necessarily has changed things.
Speaker 5: I think there's a grain of the lines when there
Speaker 5: is the coaches, both in college and in pro are
Speaker 5: going to take that to the limit, and so call
Speaker 5: it gamesmanship, call it, you know, strategy, whatever you want.
Speaker 5: In this case, I think there's much ado about nothing.
Speaker 5: I think they had intentionally listed them as questionable. He
Speaker 5: was questionable, he decided not to play. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of NFL games where their players you know, are announced
Speaker 5: right before game time, in this case, ninety minutes that
Speaker 5: they're not going to play. So that's why you have
Speaker 5: the practice squad and those other kind of things. So
Speaker 5: I think way too much was made of this way.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think because it's a Monday night, you know,
Speaker 2: if you have a fantasy football team, you've probably already
Speaker 2: played all the running backs you could have, and he
Speaker 2: was listed as questionable, which I think probably was the truth.
Speaker 2: And yet it's it's probably people just growing in it
Speaker 2: because their fantasy team out have taken a loss just
Speaker 2: because of the timing here, not having enough time to
Speaker 2: make a replacement with the only being one game on Monday.
Speaker 3: But real quick on c would you say?
Speaker 2: And I don't have his injury history right in front
Speaker 2: of me, and I know you don't either, But he's
Speaker 2: somebody that has dealt with some injuries throughout his career.
Speaker 3: But is he is he A?
Speaker 2: I feel like he's an interesting case study to where
Speaker 2: regardless of what has happened, he is at this point
Speaker 2: always proven that when he does rehab and get healthy,
Speaker 2: he's still really really good at football. Like there's not
Speaker 2: it's not like he's lost his fastball or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he has had a series of injuries for a
Speaker 5: number of years. That's back how he ended up with
Speaker 5: San Francisco to a large extent. And I think you
Speaker 5: have to keep in mind that running backs, you know,
Speaker 5: it's a it's a very tough existence. It's when most
Speaker 5: most teams other than my Cleveland Browns have a whole
Speaker 5: stack full of them, right, and they just uh, you know,
Speaker 5: so they take precautions and you and you it's by committee,
Speaker 5: and in part it's by committee because of the nagging injuries.
Speaker 5: A little ankle injury can go a long way for
Speaker 5: a running back in terms of their inabilities. So this is, uh,
Speaker 5: this is the way the NFL works. It's why they're
Speaker 5: longevity of a running back is one of the lower
Speaker 5: longevities in the whole NFL, really in all of sports.
Speaker 2: If you think about it, it's it's crazy. I guess
Speaker 2: it's been trending that way for quite some time and
Speaker 2: does not appear to be slowing down. But doctor Larry
Speaker 2: Ben's of pro emphyscal Therapy is our guest joining us
Speaker 2: here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 3: Louisville football off to a great start.
Speaker 2: I mean they've they've taken care of business in a
Speaker 2: major way, and for the most part, it seems as
Speaker 2: if they've managed to stay pretty healthy. However, Donald Cheney,
Speaker 2: the running back transfer from Miami. Jeff Bram did say
Speaker 2: after the game that he believes it was a high
Speaker 2: ankle sprain for Cheney. Those can those can linger. And
Speaker 2: I guess you know, I'm not gonna ask you to
Speaker 2: share anything, even if you know anything about about Cheney himself.
Speaker 2: But when you hear of a running back dealing with
Speaker 2: that injury at that position, is that a position to
Speaker 2: where you feel as if you know, the timetable to
Speaker 2: be one hundred percent could be a little longer than
Speaker 2: maybe somebody who's playing a different position.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it absolutely is, as opposed to say, for example,
Speaker 5: an offensive linement, particularly a guard. So let's unpack this
Speaker 5: a bit and high ankle sprain, which is not a
Speaker 5: great name because it's a little hard to you know,
Speaker 5: determine what that is. But a typical ankle sprain is
Speaker 5: if you were to jump up and down off your
Speaker 5: tippy toes, that that foot moves inward. That's called inversion.
Speaker 5: And the typical ankle spray, and the kind that probably
Speaker 5: most of your listeners have had at some point in
Speaker 5: there in their life is a routine ankle sprain extremely
Speaker 5: common injury, and that is the ligament that connects the
Speaker 5: tailor's bone, one of the bones in the in the ankle,
Speaker 5: to the tibia. That is very predictable. It takes three
Speaker 5: six weeks swelling. You know, we've treated them. We've treated
Speaker 5: a million of them. A high ankle sprain is just
Speaker 5: the opposite. This is when your foot moves outward what
Speaker 5: is known as e version, and technically it's the it's
Speaker 5: the fibrous tissue that connects the tibia, which is your
Speaker 5: shin bone, to the fibula, which is that outer, really
Speaker 5: really thin bone. It is a much tougher injury. It's
Speaker 5: only about one percent of all sprains. However, in the
Speaker 5: NFL it's a lot more common than one percent of
Speaker 5: the sprains, at least, at least in terms of the
Speaker 5: general population, it's one percent on a running back. Depending
Speaker 5: on how much bleeding and how severe it is. If
Speaker 5: it's a moderate to severe ankle injury of the of
Speaker 5: a high ankle, it could be six to eight weeks.
Speaker 5: So that's the first question. Is it a mild, moderate severe?
Speaker 5: There's a thing, interestingly enough, called a squeeze test. Now
Speaker 5: there's tests in medicine that either have a high sensitivity
Speaker 5: or a high specificity, meaning you know, are they sensitive
Speaker 5: and are they more diagnostic if they if they come
Speaker 5: out as a positive. I'll give you example. So in
Speaker 5: the squeeze test on this as you literally are trying
Speaker 5: to squeeze the fibula and the tiva together, you like
Speaker 5: somebody down on their on their back, and that test,
Speaker 5: if positive, causes excruciating pain, and it's generally believed to
Speaker 5: be that sprain. My guess is whether it was this
Speaker 5: player at University of Louisville or you know, David no
Speaker 5: Kub you know one of my a joke in my
Speaker 5: favorite Cleveland brown You know, they can get this brain
Speaker 5: and that's probably why they are able to diagnose it
Speaker 5: so quickly, because that test has a high sensitivity to
Speaker 5: be in sort of the correct diagnosis. That doesn't, however,
Speaker 5: tell you how severe it is, and so we have
Speaker 5: to let mother nature and time determine, and certainly swelling
Speaker 5: and all the things that go with it. But to
Speaker 5: a running back or certainly a tight end, it's much
Speaker 5: more serious than an offensive guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with within Djoku you mentioned him with the Browns,
Speaker 2: I mean obviously not a great start for the Browns
Speaker 2: and Deshaun Watson. But hey, if he could get get
Speaker 2: some get some continuity going and start finding his tight end,
Speaker 2: that could that could help the Browns. When you hear
Speaker 2: of a tight end in that role, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you talked about it just a little bit, but I
Speaker 2: feel like you.
Speaker 3: Know you not.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, Like getting open obviously would
Speaker 2: be difficult if you've got a lingering issue, but I
Speaker 2: kind of feel like that would be one more on
Speaker 2: the optimistic side to where you would you would expect
Speaker 2: them to be able to maybe play through it a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, either play through it or play in limited sets. Yeah, right,
Speaker 5: special circumstances, kind of monitor it while playing exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they'll put in certain units for certain plays, their downs,
Speaker 5: whatever the case may be, where you can do shorter patterns.
Speaker 5: He also liked Christie McCafferty has had, you know, quite
Speaker 5: the injury career his through his career too, so, but
Speaker 5: this is a bad injury. Let's make no mistake about it,
Speaker 5: and you hope that it's on the lower side of
Speaker 5: the six to eight weeks if it's serious, if it's mild,
Speaker 5: it could be as low as two to three weeks.
Speaker 3: Another injury in the NFL after just one week. Puka Nakua,
Speaker 3: the receiver for the Rams who really burst on the
Speaker 3: scene last year, kind of an unexpected young star. He
Speaker 3: is now out with what is being called a sprained PCL.
Speaker 3: I believe four games is the minimum because he has
Speaker 3: been placed on IR what kind of what kind of
Speaker 3: recovery I guess rehab is typical for a receiver with
Speaker 3: a sprained PCL.
Speaker 5: Yeah, first of all, this is just a this is
Speaker 5: a bad mood. This is unfortunate for the Rams because
Speaker 5: he is a he turned he's turned into a superstar,
Speaker 5: and you know, it hurt. It hurt them in the game.
Speaker 5: Apparently he had this injury sort of a nagging injury
Speaker 5: from even this summer. Everybody's heard of sort of the
Speaker 5: ACL or the anterior cruciate ligament. These are these two
Speaker 5: ligaments that cross in your knee that connect the effectively
Speaker 5: your upper leg to the lower leg. The pcls, it
Speaker 5: turns out, is an incredibly strong ligament and so it
Speaker 5: seldom tears. It is really really uncommon, and when it happens,
Speaker 5: they oftentimes won't even do surgery anymore. So it appears
Speaker 5: that on him at some point last year, late in
Speaker 5: the year somewhere along the way, that he stretched it
Speaker 5: and had a legitimate attenuation of that ligament and it
Speaker 5: healed up. And so now they're calling this a more
Speaker 5: of a nagging or recurrence there. So what does that mean?
Speaker 5: Hard to tell from just the verbiage of how they're
Speaker 5: describing it. It depends on the swelling, it depends on
Speaker 5: the disability. And you know, I think already though they
Speaker 5: did put them on IR for at least six weeks, right,
Speaker 5: is that not correct? I believe for to seek. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so that's you know, that's pretty standard of this first time,
Speaker 5: and we'll see what happens when he comes back. But
Speaker 5: he could be an all year round off, it wouldn't
Speaker 5: be surprised me. Or he can come back at the
Speaker 5: end the end of the that time period. Time will tell. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you have Nick Chubb for the Cleveland Browns, who they've
Speaker 5: already sayds out the first you know, that same period
Speaker 5: of time. But there's a general belief that he's going
Speaker 5: to miss at least the first half of the year.
Speaker 5: So you know, these are these are killers for these organizations,
Speaker 5: and certainly ones that make such a big, big difference,
Speaker 5: like Chubb to the Browns and certainly him to LA.
Speaker 2: All Right, one more question for you, Larry, and this
Speaker 2: one comes in from a listener. I love when our
Speaker 2: listeners prepare questions for our conversations with doctor Ben's Doctor McElroy.
Speaker 2: UFL volleyball, of course, is phenomenal, one of the one
Speaker 2: of the programs where you hire a great coach, she
Speaker 2: comes in and now you know, any any moment this
Speaker 2: program winning a national championship, and volleyball would not be
Speaker 2: surprised with what Danny busbiin Kelly has done. But somebody
Speaker 2: asked a question more along the lines of what is
Speaker 2: what are the most common injuries with with college volleyball players.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if there's one that stands out, but
Speaker 2: somebody asked me within the same question sort of to
Speaker 2: describe what jumper's knee is. And I know I'm putting
Speaker 2: you on the spot here, but is that a common
Speaker 2: thing you hear from volleyball players having what's called jumper's knee?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Sure, let me let me back up a bit,
Speaker 5: so you're absolutely right. I mean, think of the teams
Speaker 5: that UFL volleyball has already played. They open up with Wisconsin,
Speaker 5: you know, top five team national television. Then you go
Speaker 5: and you play Tennessee, right, you know again top team,
Speaker 5: and then you go and play Penny and State. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that would be like you know, an sec to you know,
Speaker 5: they'd be like us opening up against you.
Speaker 2: Know, that alone says you've arrived as one of the
Speaker 2: programs in that sport. Man, it's prime time best teams
Speaker 2: in the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, So. The most common injuries that we typically see
Speaker 5: in volleyball, by the way, tend to be more shoulder,
Speaker 5: more overhead action. You can obviously break fingers, do all
Speaker 5: kinds of those kinds of things, but generally we find
Speaker 5: they're mostly the shoulder, but jumpers, knees and things in
Speaker 5: general can definitely happen. I think your listener could also
Speaker 5: be referencing younger volleyball players, so, you know, sort of
Speaker 5: adolescence while they're still growing. Make sense that what is
Speaker 5: known as jumpernese, which is really the tendinitis, and oftentimes
Speaker 5: it's attributed that your muscles are sort of growing faster
Speaker 5: than your bond. So if you take like a twelve
Speaker 5: or thirteen year old girl who's doing a lot of jumping.
Speaker 5: You know, they can really develop you know osgod slaughters
Speaker 5: and other kinds of things in their knee that lead
Speaker 5: to tendonitis in overuse of that tendon. So, yes, that
Speaker 5: is one of the more common injuries because there's a
Speaker 5: lot of repetitive jumping and just like you know, I
Speaker 5: compare you know, sort of this aau basketball on the
Speaker 5: boy side with volleyball on the girls side. They play
Speaker 5: a lot of games and that's a lot of jumping
Speaker 5: that repetitive motion can in impact cause some inflammation and
Speaker 5: tenderness there, otherwise known as the teller tendonitis aka jumper's knee.
Speaker 2: Larry, as always, I appreciate you making time for us.
Speaker 2: Always a good conversation. We will talk with you soon.
Speaker 5: Go cards, absolutely, go cars. We'll get a weekend off,
Speaker 5: but we're gonna that's that's a that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. Good stuff. We will. You're
Speaker 3: gonna be at the george Tech game.
Speaker 5: Be it the Georgia Tech game then headed a Notre Dame. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't miss football games.
Speaker 3: Good stuff. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Doctor Benn's take care of That's doctor Larry. Ben's pro
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Speaker 2: yesterday on his Instagram live. But I've got from Men's
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Speaker 2: Fellas you ready, And I'm just gonna give you some
Speaker 2: quick hitters here. Too much crap says here. If it's
Speaker 2: good for your heart, it's good for your sex life.
Speaker 2: Much with unhealthy fats and high sugar content can lower
Speaker 2: testosterone and in turn your sex drive will be impacted
Speaker 2: by that. Negatively, this says, switch to decaf, the cup
Speaker 2: of coffee you might enjoy by giving your blood flow
Speaker 2: a boost. In turn that switch to decaffeinated beverages might
Speaker 2: be playing a role in a reduced blood flow, which
Speaker 2: you know can affect you downstairs. So balance is key.
Speaker 2: So because too much caffeine isn't exactly a good thing
Speaker 2: when it comes to, you know, getting it on. This
Speaker 2: is one that I would assume most people are aware
Speaker 2: of too much alcohol. And they say here, I'm reading
Speaker 2: directly from Men's Health, so I'm not not me saying it,
Speaker 2: but Men's Health says we've all heard of whiskey wang.
Speaker 3: I've never heard anybody say that. I mean you, John, No,
Speaker 3: I mean I've heard it.
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about, Men's Health not I've
Speaker 2: never heard it referred to whiskey Wang. But I have
Speaker 2: a good idea of what that means. Says here that
Speaker 2: it's a real thing. Alcohol works as a depressant for
Speaker 2: the for the central nervous systems, so it can quote
Speaker 2: numb the feelings of sexual stimulation and alter the blood
Speaker 2: flow in and out of your unit. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean there's also like you know, well, I don't
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Speaker 2: We can't use whiskey, Wang because now people know like you.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, that that I think you're right. But
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