Speaker 1: Welcome to the Reality Realm with your hosts Irene Allen
and Mark Johnson and hello everybody, welcome to our brand
new show, The Reality Realm here on the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. I'm Mark Johnson along with Irene Allen. How
are you today, Irene? This just sounds weird, what being
a new named show?
Speaker 2: No you do it introducing me?
Speaker 1: Well, I know there will be less Yeah, there will
be less gaffs with me doing it, but that was
part of the charm with the old show Lass Gas
gaff g a yeah.
Speaker 2: Mess ups. Yes, okay, so you're telling me I messed
up quite a lot on the show lest outburts of
ship chip. Oh yeah, well it's it easier you could
have been. Is easier to say, what's the name of
the show.
Speaker 1: Again, Reality Realm, Reality.
Speaker 2: Realm, rather than this is the Paranormal UK Radio show
coming to you on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.
Speaker 1: The flagship show of what would Radio. Well, we should
explain that to people that this is a new show
that Irene and I are doing. We are changing our
format a little bit, hence the name change, and we
haven't really done many shows this year, mostly due to
personal and medical issues that we've both been experiencing. Things
are getting back to normal, so we decided to move forward,
but changing the format a new start, new format. We
will still have the occasional guest, however, mostly going forward
is just going to be Irene and I because we
have a lot to say and a lot to talk about,
and sometimes when we have guests never stop.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's that You never stopped? Okay?
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Well you know you never chimed in. Now
I'm making you talk.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, night.
Speaker 1: People are going to see what they're in for.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But remember you can still get the Paranormal
UK Radio Show with me and Mark.
Speaker 1: It's still all of our shows are still on our
speaker page, which goes out to all of the major
platforms Apple, Samsung, Google, My Heart Radio, Amazon, Audible, as
well as all the other shows on the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. With this show, though, there are a lot
of things that we talk about privately. We go over
a lot of different concepts and sometimes with doing guests
on the show, first of all, sometimes you.
Speaker 2: Just had all careful.
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you just run out of guests. You know.
It's there's so many podcasts out there and they're all
doing guests, and they're all talking about the same things,
and some of the things that we're interested in want
to talk about. There are either guests, you know, the
guests either are not up to speed on these things
or sometimes not putting anybody down at all. But I
think we have researched things a lot more than other people.
So we decided that we're going to do this format
moving forward, not saying again that we wouldn't have the
occasional guest ah, but we do have a lot to say,
and we have a lot of shared experiences and knowledge
going back decades. So we're going to give this a try.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to be like a chat show between
me and you, and I'm going to try and talk
when I could get a work when you're not talking.
Speaker 1: Well, some of this is you are more knowledgeable than me,
so I do expect you to talk more.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I might be more knowledgeable, Mark, but it is
difficult to put what is going on in my head
into words that people can understand.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, especially if you go into alien speak.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's because my brain moves faster than
my mouth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it. Or the information is having
trouble being processed by your brain coming out in English. Yeah,
same thing I guess could be, could be mm hmm.
And for this first show, uh huh.
Speaker 2: You're going to tell us about your night out.
Speaker 1: Well, I am. I had an experienced Friday night that
sparked a conversation with Irene and I and I thought
it would be a good topic to start off our
first show. And let me set up the situation. I
was invited over to our good friend Natalie's house. She
was hosting a psychic medium party where this psychic medium
came in and there were about ten people there and
she was doing readings for everyone and not using tarot
cards or anything like that, but she was trying to
pick up on energy in people's energy. Now, she called
herself a psychic medium. After our conversation, we started to
doubt the term medium. And I'm not trying to put
this woman down or say she's in any way faking.
She's not. In fact, she was pretty good at what
she was doing, but I think she miss she even
misunderstands what it is she's doing now. First and foremost,
when we started, she immediately pointed to me and started
reading me right off the bat, and it went for
almost an hour and a half to the point where
I was feeling guilty. It's like talk about somebody else
for a change. Everyone hears here for a reading, you know.
But she started talking about spirits coming through and she
long story short, she supposedly picked up on my wife's
spirit and she started pointing out all this negativity surrounding
my wife, who passed away a year and a half ago,
and that her energy was attached onto me and was
manipulating me or preventing me from moving forward. There was
jealousy there, There was all these things. Now here's what
bothered me. Okay, while some of these attributes were true
in life, at the same time, there was good in
her as well. And it's like every human being, we
have our good and bad side. We all have our
quirks and our traits. And yeah, there's some things that
happened in my marriage. I didn't like, we had some
issues like everybody else, and what this woman was picking
up on it bothered me because it didn't ring true,
because it didn't coincide with what I know or what
I think I know about spiritual energy and the negativity
that she said was attached to me that she was
trying to remove. I could not imagine my wife not
crossing over and clinging to me like that, with all
this negativity, because I had a dream about her a
few months after she passed, and it was not a dream.
In fact, I was in the middle of a regular dream,
and all of a sudden it was interrupted by this
beautiful vision of my wife. She was dressed in red,
which was her favorite color. She was stunningly beautiful, with
this bright aura around her hair done up. She was
twenty years younger, the most beautiful version of herself, smiling
at me, and she only said one thing to me,
which I still kind of ponder to this day. She
looked at me and she goes, how can I help? Well,
in the vision, I knew she was gone, and I said, well,
you could still be here because I'm still grieving her death.
And then all of a sudden it stopped. I went
back into my regular crappy dream. But when I woke up,
that just stuck with me, and I knew she had
crossed over and she was okay. So if that's the case,
and I've had a couple of others that she's been
around to let me know she's okay. These were more
towards the beginning, right after she passed. So when this
psychic woman was talking about all this negative stuff around me,
like her clinging to me and yeah, I'm not sitting
here saying it didn't ring true, but it really really
bothered me because I didn't feel that was correct. So
Irene and I were having a long conversation about this,
and at this point, Irene feel free to chime in
at any time. But I started to feel that I've
always had a problem when people talk about, oh, well,
people who die they don't know they're dead, or they
don't want to move on and they cling to life
and blah blah blah blah blah. I've never really bought,
but I have in some of my training learning over
the years, there's something that's known as soul fragmentation. I
was training as a shamanic practitioner at one point, and
there's actually a healing ceremony called the soul retrieval, And
basically what that is is trauma can like fracture little
pieces of your soul yourself, and the healing process is
finding that piece and reintegrating it back in the soul.
So what I was feeling is that whatever this energy
was that was attached to me was not my wife's
actual spirit or soul, but I think an energetic fragment
of either a piece of her soul or maybe all
that I'm sorry, piece of you. Yeah, it could be
a piece of me. It could be the energy that
I had from anger and resentment towards things that happened
in our marriage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: That's what I want. I wanted to talk about a
little bit is the idea of not only spirits and souls,
but the energy because everything is energy. Everything around us,
even what we think of a solid matter is energy
at the sub atomic level, and everything is vibrations. So
why don't you talk a little bit about this, Irene.
I mean, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Thinking you know about this, this, lady.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: Any media will tell you that when they bring someone back,
or someone comes back, they're going to come back in
a form in a way that you would recognize them
as they were. Nose Granny coming back, miserable old Grannie,
coming back as a huppy, bubbly old grannie, because you
would say, that's not my grandmother, right. But there were
times when your wife was not anything like this one said.
This lady said, there was that other side to your wife,
a happy, go lucky, fun loving person. She concentrated only
on that side of it. You could say that your
wife or shit way it's been put to you. It
sounds like she your wife is a narcissist.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, she even used those words, which I know
wasn't true.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So why she's got it once? I mean,
medium's got it into their head that this person, this
is how that person is. They will draw out that
side of it. So if you know everything, all the
traits of a narcissist, you're going to bring them out
and of course it's going to be fit in your situation. Yeah,
do you understand that? Talking about when we were talking
the other day and I said to you that I
believe in that's something I do believe that when someone
passes over, it's like yin and yang. There's two sides
to them and they split apart or can split apart,
especially if it's traumatic passover, which is it was with
your wife. Right, You've got the negative side and you've
got their positive side. This is another thing that she
could have been doing. She could have been pulling. Just
on the negative side. This woman has got talent. She
has got talent, mark, But it's just they how can
I put this? It's in the early stages. Hm, So
what I mean? It's in the early stages as a
hell of a lot. Well, how long I've been doing it?
I'm not going to say how old I am, but
let's say I've been doing it sixty years, so that
means I'm over sixty.
Speaker 1: Okay, So and I just turned sixty this year. So
you've been doing it longer than I've been alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, yeah, I have. I've been doing it longer
than well, I was around when Jesus was a boy.
So there you go. It's just that.
Speaker 1: It's such.
Speaker 2: She's still trying to run before she can walk. There's
still a hell of a lot to learn here, I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Now he thought.
Speaker 1: But now she supposedly could feel spirits coming in coming through,
and I question that, is it really that's what she's feeling,
or she's picking up on certain energies off of the
people there there she's reading mm hmm. And again I
want to make it a point here, I'm in no
way putting this woman down. Okay, although I do feel
most psychics are nowhere near as good as they think
they are, or they don't really have a full understanding
of what it is that they're doing, and it's like
they learn so much and then they hold on to
that and they don't learn anything else because.
Speaker 2: Through books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just.
Speaker 2: You know, reverberate in the same spell. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, hell, I can tell you that many other researchers
in the paranormal community do the exact same thing. They
think they watch a few ghost shows and they know
how to be a paranormal investigator or they even know
what they're dealing with, which in all the years, I'm
guilty of it in the beginning, But thank goodness, I
learned as I went and I expanded my horizons. Plus
working with you, you kick my butt whenever I'm going
down the wrong path.
Speaker 2: That's true. I enjoy that one.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, you do immensely.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. So, but she has not done. She isn't good.
She will be or is a good medium m hm.
You know, but she's at a stage where she's standing still.
Mm hmm. Yeah, she's a physical medium, not mental or
physical physical she said she was, So is she able
to channel people, I mean, actually go into trance and
things like.
Speaker 1: This, I don't know, because I don't know anything about
her other than when she showed up that night.
Speaker 2: M So.
Speaker 1: So it brings up a lot of interesting questions in
regards to spiritual energy. And energy is energy, whether it's spiritual, whether.
Speaker 2: It's physical like electric.
Speaker 1: Or ye, you know, the type of energy. We can
see and measure other types of energy. And this is
one of the reasons why we called the show what
we did the Reality Realm, because basically our concept of
what is reality is woefully inadequate and wrong. I've always
likened it to the light spectrum. You know, if you
look at the entire electromagnetic spectrum, we see this little
sliver and that's all we think of reality, and not
considering the vastness that goes out in either direction, either
into the infrared or the ultraviolet that we can't see
or we cannot directly experience, but it's still there. So
we're going to be talking about subjects like this to
try to expand people's ideas of reality. Yeah, and with
spirit which is something I'm very interested.
Speaker 2: First of all, you've got to really figure out what
psychic energy is smart besides the telepathy and this, that
and the other. You know, everybody's got psychic energy. You've
got the mother that's worried because she gets gut feeling
that something happened to her charge late home from school,
and she's nine out of ten times she's right, you know.
Or you've got the the person that can sit there,
or anybody. You can sit there with your eyes closed.
You can imagine you're walking through a woodland and the
breeze is blown and the leaves are rustling, and it's
almost real. This is all part of psychic energy, especially
when it feels real, when you start to feel that,
you can smell it and feel it. That's all psychic ennergy.
Everybody can do it.
Speaker 1: We all have that ability, but we also have a
lot of it programmed out of it by our Western society,
our values, and you know how the likes of my mother.
Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody's going to see a ghost, it's
going to be me. I was born in a haunted house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you're you're in the UK, whose house
isn't haunted in the UK, that's it. So I've always
had a lot of questions about what happens when someone
passes over when you know, I look at it, and
you know, Irena and I don't always have to agree
on everything, and not saying that we disagree on this,
but I'm just saying that in my what I think
is again, most people, I feel crossover to wherever that
ultimate other dimension is. People can call it heaven, people
can call it whatever you know, Valhalla. I don't care.
It's it's a definite higher dimension and we are spiritual
beings at heart having a human experience, and we can
go into all sorts of other different subjects about that
that include reincarnation or you know, all these other.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you with that, mark. I don't
believe that, you know, there a consciousness goes somewhere.
Speaker 1: Well, energy is never destroyed, it just changes form.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know whether it's going to be
one of these nice little valleys with flowers and things
like that. Like everyone says, yess, that's what you wanted
in life. What about these people that you know they
don't want to be anywhere else once they die. They
just want it to be that. Is that possible? Can
it just be that blackness? And nothing else. Then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what's funny. I've been I've been focusing a
lot lately on hearing about near death experience stories.
Speaker 2: I'm in the radio show that we've done the Yeah
a lot on the radio show.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of YouTube channels where people tell their stories.
And there's one consistent theme now in the in the
old spiritualism or what people think when you die is oh,
you see the light and you go down a tunnel
and then you come out on this other side and
you either meet Jesus or an angel or sometimes even
God directly. Yeah, but there there's also many who talk
about they first wind up in this black void.
Speaker 2: Let me let me okay, let me stop you there.
I've got to go back to my father. But he
was alive, right, And he was alive before we even
knew there was anything wrong with my father. Now, my
father used to have have dreams, and what he used
to dream usually came true. So I was at the
ironing board one morning in the kitchen and he got
up and he came into the kitchen and he said
to me, I mean, I have had a funny dream
last night. So I said, what was it? He said,
I did feel like I was going through a dark tunnel,
he said. I was being grabbed right, left and sent
up from These hands were everywhere, and this tunnel was
pitch black, and I couldn't see the end of the tunnel.
And I thought, wow, Dad, you're a train driver. You're
going through tunnels all the time. Maybe that's what's triggered
this weird dream. So I told him that, trying to
put his mind at rest, okay, And I never told
him what I knew about these sort of things or
what I'd heard over the years. I just said, really,
a train driver, I just wanted to put his mind
at rest. But they're Two weeks later, the doctor was
called to the house and the doctor was worried about
my father, and my father was taken into hospital and
he had bowl cancer. And two weeks after he went
into hospital he was dead. Wow that was fast, Yeah,
very fast. So Mark, now you're talking about these dark
places where people go to, aren't you.
Speaker 1: It's it's that they find themselves in these dark places.
But many times, even though there's no light, at least
at first, they they're not feeling in negativity. They actually
sometimes even feel love, and then eventually a pinpoint of
light appears and they start racing towards it, and that's
when they enter a tunnel. Now, there are also stories
of people who supposedly go to versions of hell, like
the hands grabbing at your dad and the dream, you know,
darker spirits or I don't believe in hell myself. I
think that's a human concept.
Speaker 2: Although with heaven you heaven you, Heaven you go Hell,
everything has got to opposite.
Speaker 1: Well, there's there's higher dimensions and there's.
Speaker 2: Lower yeah dimensions, you know, good bad. It's so there
aren't Well we deal.
Speaker 1: With you know, even in the paranormal, we deal with
negative entities. Some people can call them demons.
Speaker 2: I think most people do call them demons in America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, America is infested with demons. It's but you know,
there's a lot of times you're dealing with things that
are much different than what people think. They may be mischievous,
they may be on the negative side, they could be
quite nasty. Human beings can be quite nasty. And if
you have someone who's really nasty in life, if they
pass over, I I believe that. But sometimes people will
refuse to move on either they're scared that they're going
to be judged, especially if they were religious or for
whatever reason, they still want to hold on to things.
And yet I also believe that a person's soul can
cross over, but some of that negative or even positive,
some of the energy can be left behind. In my case,
as you pointed out, and I actually believe this because
part of my grief process that I've been going through,
and I've talked to a therapist about it, is I
alternate between missing my wife. I still love her, I
always will, and yet I alternate between those feelings of
grief and loss to anger at some of the shit
we went through or some of the things that she
was doing that I didn't agree with, and I couldn't
tell her any different, or I could shout it down
or again, I'm not going to bash her. I'm I
agree with me. When I said that, then yes I did.
So it could be because I'm feeling those emotions, that's
what's clinging to me. That part of me is creating
that energy myself, because that's what I experienced at times
when we had our bad times and my resentment had
grown to a point where you have to watch thought forms,
you have to guard your thoughts. Thoughts are energy, and
you could tell me what your thoughts on this, But
I feel thoughts are energy, and if you focus too
much on the negative, you're gonna create negative energy around you.
Speaker 2: Oh that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm beginning to think that again. This
this woman was very good at picking up on energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are people, you know. Yeah, she was
very good at picking up on energy. But there are
people that can. You can look at that straight away
and you can tell everything about them. Yeah, you can
tell whether you like them or not if you get
bad feeling from them, which is all psychic energy again
mm hmm. You know they're they're either putting it out
or you're you're taking it up. But then you can
you could turn around and tell some Sometimes it's so
strong that you can actually tell that person what they're
what they're doing. Like just now, and you picked up
your guitar, I couldn't say I couldn't see you because
we didn't have cameras on, And I said to you,
you can get me a song.
Speaker 1: Just just to clarify this for the audience, this is
the kind of connection that Irene and I have, which
is why we do so well together is before we
jumped on the skype call, I was practicing my guitar
for the first time in a very long time, trying
to get back into it, playing very badly. And the
second she called me, she goes, well, are you gonna
give me a song? And I'm going, how in the
frick and frack? Or did you know? I was playing
my guitar And of course she just laughs at me,
because you know, she's always tuned into me like that.
And yet it's, uh, it's I still find it funny
and amazing at times. But then I also, you know,
why do I expect any different? And and it's again,
it's tuning into energy, even though we're like, what three
thousand miles.
Speaker 2: Apart, I don't know, it's further than that, six.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe whatever, whatever the distance from New Jersey to
Wales is. You know, time is an illusion and space
is even an illusion. You don't have to be next
to someone to know what's going on. She picked me
up a continent away, so again it's it's energy, energy
all around us. One of the other things I want
to talk about there was another aspect of this reading.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of cold readers what they call
cold readers. You know, they's got something like a mark
on your finger where you had a wedding ring and
then just tell you know, you're separated or you're divorced
or whatever, that type of thing. But this woman was that.
I don't think this woman was a cold breader. She's
not a cold breader.
Speaker 1: No. No, she picked up.
Speaker 2: Once once she got a hit, she she dragged it out,
she ran with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she went way too long without saying that
much more.
Speaker 2: Now, she didn't give you any real evidence.
Speaker 1: She talked about some things that I didn't think she
could know that sounded personal with my wife. At the
same time, It's like what you said about certain personality types.
You can just assuss them out and and talk about
that personality type, and there's a lot in there that
could ring true. But the one another thing that she
saw right off the bat, which I have trouble with,
is she goes, oh, Archangel, Michael is with you. He's
standing right behind you, and he's there to help you.
And I inwardly rolled my eyes. And again I'm not.
Speaker 2: Just trying to inwardly roll my eyes.
Speaker 1: Well I was rolling my eyes without hers seeing because
I'm sitting there going, oh my God, are you kidding me?
Because and again I'm not putting down anybody's faith, but
I don't buy the traditional concept of angels, especially the
handful of named angels that people say, oh, you know,
Archangel Gabriel is working with me or Michael or anything else.
It's like, I don't buy it. I'm sorry, I don't.
Speaker 2: It's how they used to say that was angels didn't
have names, angels didn't have gender.
Speaker 1: No, unless it's a way, you know, as humans to
more relate to things.
Speaker 2: More comfortable to think that they got archangel Michael. But
I don't know.
Speaker 1: Which is a very Christian Judeo Christian concept, which I'm
not a Christian, although I grew up in the church.
And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of things
that I think about a lot and uh, especially around Jesus.
But do I That's where I don't really believe concepts
of heaven, Hell, traditional concepts and angels themselves. Now, what
I do believe in is higher spiritual beings entities, yeah,
that we can interpret as quote unquote angels, and then
what we can assign a name to them and if
there are all of these these angels supposedly, like what's
the old saying, how many angels can dance on the
head of a pin? Okay, if there's this almost infinite
number of angels, why do we know the names of
like four or five of them? And that's it, And
that's all anybody ever focuses on. You know, we suppose.
Speaker 2: People like it's rank, it's rank. You know, you want
to if people like to let they like to their
egos get hold of and hold of them, and they'd
like to be there on the top, on the top ones.
You know, on the top.
Speaker 1: Level there's angels.
Speaker 2: And you know, if there's an angel called, for instance, Christopher, Christopher, oh,
come and think of my name at the moment, if
there was an angel called Picky po right, somebody would
have wanted to be with Picky Bow or even talk
about Picky Pow. And as Picky Bow was the top angel,
mm hmm. You know, that's why they go for Gabriel,
they go for Raphael and make VICKI and things like that.
Speaker 1: You know, And which which one was supposedly cast Satan
out of heaven, Michael or Gabriel? I forget which they were, yeah,
which you know, I don't believe in Satan either, or
the real idea of Satan. I think it's a bad
rap because he just used to be called the adversary.
It wasn't until much later.
Speaker 2: It's not you know, like we said, this is all
a biblical thing to get bums on SATs in church.
If you don't come to church, you're going to hell. Now.
The dimons will get you, the devil will get you.
Which is there are things that there. It's an energy,
it's an energy, and it's bad. You know, there are
bad cleans out there, bad energies.
Speaker 1: And what happens. And this can be a whole nother show,
because we've discussed this in the past, But what are
a lot of these bad negative energies.
Speaker 2: You cannot destroy a bad negative energy, you cannot destroy it.
Speaker 1: But when you're dealing with a bad negative energy.
Speaker 2: Demon, you won't be able to destroy a demon. No
one can destroy a demon.
Speaker 1: We say, you can't destroy a soul. Energy cannot be
destroyed the But these these demon cases, you know, they
start off small and they keep getting bigger and bigger
because they're causing chaos in a home or with.
Speaker 2: A person put an energy into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're feeding it and that's why it's getting stronger.
Speaker 2: I've always liked you're given out energy and that energy
is just connected. It's like start feeding a little fire
and feed a flame. It's going to turn into a fernow,
isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's I liken them to a parasite. They
latch onto someone, cause enough chaos in their life to
have all these negative emotions and they feed off of it. Yeah,
and they get stronger. So energy energy.
Speaker 2: Is such a wild is interesting.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting.
Speaker 2: It is interesting, and it is such a big, big concept.
You know, there is so much to it.
Speaker 1: So kind of getting back to the angel thing, and again,
I do believe there.
Speaker 2: Are well you know that, don't you.
Speaker 1: Thought the energy there's wet energy cooks.
Speaker 2: There is oh fuck energy.
Speaker 1: Yes, your British accent keeps throwing me off. Thought energy. Well,
that's that is what I attribute to what the psychic
was seeing around me. She kept seeing it around my
feet and piled up around like it was hanging on
to me. But that was my own negative thoughts and
energy building up, and it was called it's a thought
form energy. It's like you know what you wrote about
in your your novel Where Demon's Dwell, about thought forms
because of creating like a tulpa or something that a
low level thought form energy that can kind of act
on its own or through direction.
Speaker 2: And what was that in We've Got to Give Book?
Speaker 1: I did? I said, your novel Where Demons Dwell by Irene.
Speaker 2: Allen, okay, right, invitable on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Amazon, in kid book. Yes, we had the block to
that been Kindle soft cover and now hardcover.
Speaker 2: That's is it, Yes, to get it?
Speaker 1: Yes, I put them all on hardcover for you.
Speaker 2: Another one for the bookshelf.
Speaker 1: Through a grape yeah, sure, pass it through the screen here.
I mean, if you could see me playing guitar, you know,
you might as well hand some you know, hand some
grapes over to me. Yeah. So so you know, these
angels are these these higher level beings. And when we
say higher level, I'm talking about entities.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only way to describe them is it either
entity or beings. But they are neither of neither of them.
It is an energy.
Speaker 1: It's an energy, and it's an intelligent energy. And the
fact the fact that these let's let's focus on the
intelligent energies for the moment. You know, people again, in
most religions and theology, they look at black and white
heaven and hell, okay, when in reality, there are these
multiple levels going in either directions, just like the light
spectrum higher and lower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not really been proven that.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. What I'm saying is is theoretical. Secondhand,
I can't prove it.
Speaker 2: I seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have lucky you.
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't want to write.
Speaker 1: But you know, these beings can or entities can exist
on multiple levels, not just in heaven or what we
think of as heaven or the spirit plane. Spirit plane
is one plane out of many, and we as human souls,
I think we have we have the ability to move
on to different planes as as we develop, whether you know,
through lifetimes here on earth, through whatever we whatever the
hell it is we do when we're not here on earth.
But it's all vibrations, yeah, vibrational energy. M There's also
the the concept of when people die and they go
to heaven, and so many Westerners see Jesus, Okay, do
they well, they say they do.
Speaker 2: I think they do.
Speaker 1: They think they do.
Speaker 2: You're talking about people, You're not talking about people that
die and they're dead, Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if they die in their dead, how the
hell would we know about it? Well, this is true,
one that knows what they're doing. Yeah, But I also
feel that what's what's beyond is really beyond our comprehension.
And some of these people come back and they see
or they they process things that can be done on
a human level. So when they when they go and
they say they've seen Jesus, I think one of two
things happens. Either that's what they're their brain is processing
whatever higher level energy that they're dealing with. And I
also feel that these entities are not above presenting themselves
in such a way that the person would have more
of an instant understanding. You know, if they're they're not
going to you know, appear as like Zeus, if they're
not following Greek mythology, they're Christian, they see Jesus. Even
if they're not Christian, they're exposed to enough Christianity in
our countries that you know, maybe that's what they'll see. Occasionally,
some people see you know, Muhammad, you know, and what
about Eastern philosophies, So.
Speaker 2: There's you know, they don't always see someone high like that.
You know, there are the ones that pass over come
back and they've been chatting with Grandma over there. Grandma's
the one that's told them time to go back. Is
it Grandma or is it another entertainment or something that's
disguising it or looking like Grandma. So that that person
that's soul, that spirit, soul whatever feels comfortable with them
m hmm.
Speaker 1: Knowing that that person is coming back, and that's what
in their human form they're going to understand.
Speaker 2: All I say, everyone's got everyone's got the date written
on them, darling.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, mine's mine's out there. Maybe it'll be sooner
than later, who knows.
Speaker 2: So if they do come back, it's because they haven't
reached their date and that that was they've got bloody
good surgeons and things like.
Speaker 1: That, or or like me, you just get damn lucky. Yeah,
because I could have checked out earlier this year.
Speaker 2: Now you couldn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't my time.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been in a grape, you know, as
a child, every I know, but every grape I had
sea I've just bitten. Now nowadays all the grapes in
the shop are all seedless, so you can't get hold
of that little seed and plant it like you did
when you were a kid. And if you bite into
a grape, now bite grape in half, it looks quite revolting.
There's a white bit in that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all that hybridization and genetic engineering. GMOs. Yeah,
I've seen some really scary stuff that they're they're.
Speaker 2: Scary stuff in great Darling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so hard to buy any anything anymore that
they haven't screwed up, which is why our elp is
so bad. But that could be another show altogether, gripes, grapes,
or that they're doing our food and what I want.
Speaker 2: To talk about. I want to I want to mention
this now we're doing to show. And this happened a
couple of weeks ago, and it's still aggravating me because
I've got to get it out there. Okay about the cutulary,
the cutlary Darling. Yes, right, My husband and I were
in and I'm going to give this no, I'm not
going to give it up. We were in a shop
and we were in the restaurant in the shop, and
we were a cup of tea and a bite tweet
and it was we're sitting at a four seater table.
We sat at two seats, one opposite each other. That
left two seats opposite each other with no one sitting there.
We had a tray. We had put two pots of
tea with this that and the other, and cuts and saucers,
and we left everything on the tray. It's at the
cuts and saucers and the milk, and team poured it
out at the tea teapot back onto the trees. And
we were sitting eating. I just finished eating, but he
was still eating, and I sat there watching him. And
as I watched him, I heard this noise and when
I looked at the tray, I watched a teaspoon move
across the tray, up over the lip of the tray,
over the rest of the table that was there, and
then dropped down onto the floor. He saw it at
the corner of his eye.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: Right, No one was touching it. It just and it
it just moved, and it was absolutely fantastic to just
watch it move, you know. And then when I came home,
and it was a little while afterwards, right, I was
standing in the dining room. I got an island in
the dining room with a space so coffee maker on
it and everything. Pickles pee with cage is in the window.
Pickle pees with is pickle Pee with a parrot. And
all of a sudden I heard this clatter, look down,
looked at Pickles. He was on the floor of the
cage jumping over a carving knife. I literally heard the
clatter of it in the bars and going through the bars,
and Pickles is jumping on it, trying to kill it
in the bottle of cage. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, he's always trying to kill something or someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but my cutlery drawer is in the kitchen by
the sink. Okay, So that knife had to go with
the full length of the kitchen and it had to
turn right through the door, then go turn left and
go straight to throw the dining room to the end
of the dining room and straight into pickles cage. How
the hell did it do it?
Speaker 1: You know? That kind of activity again, it's another form
of energy, because some type of energy needed to move
the spoon and the knife and what's behind it, what,
what's what's causing it? To me, it seems intelligent mm hmm.
You know, that's like what we've both experienced with things
in our houses. Disappearing.
Speaker 2: The only two people that were involved in both these
episodes was me and Brian. Brian was in the kitchen
on the other side of the room, by the by
the cooker, so he had his back to everything, but
he heard it hmm And all I was doing was
making a coffee, you know, domine myself and an expressor
hmm o way in the dining room. Fascinating if we
come back with some form of uh spare energy like
a ghost from Dumbhill. Oh degree, right, this sort of
energy we could have done. We were just talking normal.
It was normal life, you know, the want to hit
up one arguing that.
Speaker 1: You being you, you seem to attract different energies. It's
like a moth to a flame. And since that the
knife incident happened so shortly after the spoon, would not
surprise me if something followed you home, well.
Speaker 2: That's happened since so it must have got bored and
cleared off again.
Speaker 1: Attached itself and did looked at you. It did a
little something and then went back to wherever it came from. Yeah,
but again that kind of poultry geist activity they call it,
you know, is interesting. That's like the coin that mysteriously
appeared on my guest the day of my wife's funeral.
Speaker 2: All the coins that dropped through drop down through the ceiling.
When we were having a conversation in the kitchen, me
and about six other people, he's coin dropped down from
the ceiling down behind the radiator, slipped down beyond the
radiator and landed on the floor behind me.
Speaker 1: There was an investigation I was doing once where we
you know a few of my team members and the
clients were standing in the kitchen in a circle talking
and a quarter would drop right in the middle of us,
peered out of nowhere and dropped on the floor.
Speaker 2: This is what makes me. This makes me angry, and
I really does make me angry about the things that
happen to me. You always get coins when it happens
to me in the in the hallway, it's stones, well.
Speaker 1: To be throw stones that to be fair, I've only
had it happen a couple of times in my life,
so it's not like it's something that happens all the time.
That's for me. Yeah, Well they're pretty.
Speaker 2: Stones, just from ordinary old stones from outdoors. Had all
type small stones, and I always throw to miss. Have
you ever noticed that if you're ever going to get
anything thrown to you, it would miss you.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's enough to are you and get your attention,
which maybe is the point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I tell you, Okay, I'm standing right there
at the coffee makeup. Pickles Pee was in the window
in his massive, great cage. The knife goes, well, obviously
missed me, but it went straight through the cage. It
killed up the MoMA, ended up putting my Pickles on
the scow.
Speaker 1: Couldn't it It could have, yes, but no damage done
except that It's a good thing the knife was metal,
or Pickles would have ripped it to pieces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would have done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least he didn't when I was there. At
least he didn't like lunge at the cage trying and
rip my face off. He would look at me, but
I kept a good distance away.
Speaker 2: Do you know I've only ever with Pickles, I've only
ever seen him frightened once in his life, and he's
what thirty or years old?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, And because it's not scared of anything, Pickles is.
It's a cross between a rock vila and a golden
eagle in his head anyway, Right, But when we first
moved into this house. Not long after we moved in,
Pickles was put into the to what was then a
living room it's now the dining room. And I was
laying in bed one night. Oh, tremendous noise. It was
like he was going crazy down there, you know, battering
himself against everything, and it was all dark in there.
I walked into the room. I saw something move quickly
away from the cage, right, a dark, dark mast type.
They moved away from the cage, and poor old Pickles
he was panting on the bottom of the cage. He
was in such a statemrk. I heave the light of
the rest of the day. A few days. I would
never put him in the dark. I kept him in
the light until I thought it'd be okay in the
dark again, you know. So about really a week I
was leaving a light or in that room for it,
because whatever it was was interested in him. He was
a newcomer into this house and it was like it
was attracted to him.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating. And of course the black mass is Oh.
I got punched in the bomb the other day, but
that was another story for another time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that happened to me when I was visiting.
Kept yourself lucky, something something like the bomb.
Speaker 2: We do like, you know, we do like to please
in this house. And there's the black mass that people
have seen in the house as well. Yeah, but I
don't feel that that is anything that I need to
really get rid of. It's not that. Okay, it's dark,
it's a dark energy, but it's not anything that scares me.
And if nothing scares me, why should I get rid
of it? Right, It's all part of part and parcel
of this property, this land and everything else. Like I said,
Glenante will be talked about at some point, and the
antics of the what we call the spooks of Glenite.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, in which I had well my own experiences
when I was there.
Speaker 2: And although we look at this as all energy and everything,
we're going to start we will have to so people understand.
We will have to use the common names for things
like ghosts, uh, you know, entities, being spirits, demonious.
Speaker 1: I think the only demon you have in your house
is pickles.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Otherwise, you know, the people aren't going to understand
the world what the hell we're going to be talking
about If we call it a demon. It not a
demon that you would visualize a demon to look like,
but it's a full of energy. That's how we see it.
Speaker 1: Very cool. Well, you know what, we are out of time, we.
Speaker 2: Always having done it when you're having fun.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, well we're going to have plenty more to
talk about. We are going to be trying to go
back to a weekly show. I know for a while
there we went to buy weekly and then we didn't
do much this year because of everything. But now we
want to get back into it. So we're going to
try to come out every Wednesday or right around Wednesdays
m hmm, and with with the new show each week.
So be sure to.
Speaker 2: Argue a bit and we may, well we do. We
do argue.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we argue all the time.
Speaker 2: We insult each other a bit as well, and we laugh,
you know, we laugh at each other. We have fun.
So that's what the show is going to be about,
paranormal with this mixed up maniac type of personalities that
we've got.
Speaker 1: M oh yes we do.
Speaker 2: They're going to play us out yep.
Speaker 1: Well, when to thank everybody for tuning into the very
first premiere episode of the Reality Realm here on the
Paranormal UK Radio Network, and we'll stay with one of
our old staples. I mean, where can people find us?
Speaker 2: At the WMA, at the well.
Speaker 1: Wherever major podcasts can be found, will be there. So
everyone have a wonderful week, be good humans, and we
will catch you all next time. Take care, oh,