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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Reality Realm with your hosts Irene Allen

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and Mark Johnson and hello everybody, welcome to our brand

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new show, The Reality Realm here on the Paranormal UK

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Radio Network. I'm Mark Johnson along with Irene Allen. How

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are you today, Irene? This just sounds weird, what being

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a new named show?

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Speaker 2: No you do it introducing me?

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Speaker 1: Well, I know there will be less Yeah, there will

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be less gaffs with me doing it, but that was

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part of the charm with the old show Lass Gas

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gaff g a yeah.

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Speaker 2: Mess ups. Yes, okay, so you're telling me I messed

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up quite a lot on the show lest outburts of

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ship chip. Oh yeah, well it's it easier you could

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have been. Is easier to say, what's the name of

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the show.

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Speaker 1: Again, Reality Realm, Reality.

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Speaker 2: Realm, rather than this is the Paranormal UK Radio show

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coming to you on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: The flagship show of what would Radio. Well, we should

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explain that to people that this is a new show

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that Irene and I are doing. We are changing our

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format a little bit, hence the name change, and we

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haven't really done many shows this year, mostly due to

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personal and medical issues that we've both been experiencing. Things

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are getting back to normal, so we decided to move forward,

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but changing the format a new start, new format. We

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will still have the occasional guest, however, mostly going forward

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is just going to be Irene and I because we

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have a lot to say and a lot to talk about,

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and sometimes when we have guests never stop.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's that You never stopped? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, Well you know you never chimed in. Now

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I'm making you talk.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, night.

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Speaker 1: People are going to see what they're in for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But remember you can still get the Paranormal

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UK Radio Show with me and Mark.

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Speaker 1: It's still all of our shows are still on our

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speaker page, which goes out to all of the major

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platforms Apple, Samsung, Google, My Heart Radio, Amazon, Audible, as

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well as all the other shows on the Paranormal UK

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Radio Network. With this show, though, there are a lot

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of things that we talk about privately. We go over

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a lot of different concepts and sometimes with doing guests

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on the show, first of all, sometimes you.

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Speaker 2: Just had all careful.

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Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you just run out of guests. You know.

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It's there's so many podcasts out there and they're all

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doing guests, and they're all talking about the same things,

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and some of the things that we're interested in want

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to talk about. There are either guests, you know, the

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guests either are not up to speed on these things

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or sometimes not putting anybody down at all. But I

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think we have researched things a lot more than other people.

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So we decided that we're going to do this format

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moving forward, not saying again that we wouldn't have the

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occasional guest ah, but we do have a lot to say,

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and we have a lot of shared experiences and knowledge

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going back decades. So we're going to give this a try.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to be like a chat show between

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me and you, and I'm going to try and talk

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when I could get a work when you're not talking.

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Speaker 1: Well, some of this is you are more knowledgeable than me,

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so I do expect you to talk more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I might be more knowledgeable, Mark, but it is

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difficult to put what is going on in my head

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into words that people can understand.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, especially if you go into alien speak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's because my brain moves faster than

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my mouth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it. Or the information is having

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trouble being processed by your brain coming out in English. Yeah,

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same thing I guess could be, could be mm hmm.

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And for this first show, uh huh.

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Speaker 2: You're going to tell us about your night out.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am. I had an experienced Friday night that

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sparked a conversation with Irene and I and I thought

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it would be a good topic to start off our

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first show. And let me set up the situation. I

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was invited over to our good friend Natalie's house. She

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was hosting a psychic medium party where this psychic medium

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came in and there were about ten people there and

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she was doing readings for everyone and not using tarot

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cards or anything like that, but she was trying to

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pick up on energy in people's energy. Now, she called

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herself a psychic medium. After our conversation, we started to

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doubt the term medium. And I'm not trying to put

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this woman down or say she's in any way faking.

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She's not. In fact, she was pretty good at what

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she was doing, but I think she miss she even

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misunderstands what it is she's doing now. First and foremost,

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when we started, she immediately pointed to me and started

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reading me right off the bat, and it went for

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almost an hour and a half to the point where

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I was feeling guilty. It's like talk about somebody else

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for a change. Everyone hears here for a reading, you know.

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But she started talking about spirits coming through and she

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long story short, she supposedly picked up on my wife's

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spirit and she started pointing out all this negativity surrounding

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my wife, who passed away a year and a half ago,

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and that her energy was attached onto me and was

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manipulating me or preventing me from moving forward. There was

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jealousy there, There was all these things. Now here's what

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bothered me. Okay, while some of these attributes were true

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in life, at the same time, there was good in

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her as well. And it's like every human being, we

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have our good and bad side. We all have our

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quirks and our traits. And yeah, there's some things that

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happened in my marriage. I didn't like, we had some

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issues like everybody else, and what this woman was picking

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up on it bothered me because it didn't ring true,

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because it didn't coincide with what I know or what

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I think I know about spiritual energy and the negativity

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that she said was attached to me that she was

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trying to remove. I could not imagine my wife not

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crossing over and clinging to me like that, with all

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this negativity, because I had a dream about her a

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few months after she passed, and it was not a dream.

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In fact, I was in the middle of a regular dream,

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and all of a sudden it was interrupted by this

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beautiful vision of my wife. She was dressed in red,

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which was her favorite color. She was stunningly beautiful, with

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this bright aura around her hair done up. She was

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twenty years younger, the most beautiful version of herself, smiling

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at me, and she only said one thing to me,

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which I still kind of ponder to this day. She

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looked at me and she goes, how can I help? Well,

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in the vision, I knew she was gone, and I said, well,

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you could still be here because I'm still grieving her death.

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And then all of a sudden it stopped. I went

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back into my regular crappy dream. But when I woke up,

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that just stuck with me, and I knew she had

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crossed over and she was okay. So if that's the case,

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and I've had a couple of others that she's been

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around to let me know she's okay. These were more

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towards the beginning, right after she passed. So when this

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psychic woman was talking about all this negative stuff around me,

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like her clinging to me and yeah, I'm not sitting

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here saying it didn't ring true, but it really really

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bothered me because I didn't feel that was correct. So

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Irene and I were having a long conversation about this,

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and at this point, Irene feel free to chime in

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at any time. But I started to feel that I've

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always had a problem when people talk about, oh, well,

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people who die they don't know they're dead, or they

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don't want to move on and they cling to life

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and blah blah blah blah blah. I've never really bought,

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but I have in some of my training learning over

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the years, there's something that's known as soul fragmentation. I

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was training as a shamanic practitioner at one point, and

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there's actually a healing ceremony called the soul retrieval, And

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basically what that is is trauma can like fracture little

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pieces of your soul yourself, and the healing process is

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finding that piece and reintegrating it back in the soul.

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So what I was feeling is that whatever this energy

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was that was attached to me was not my wife's

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actual spirit or soul, but I think an energetic fragment

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of either a piece of her soul or maybe all

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that I'm sorry, piece of you. Yeah, it could be

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a piece of me. It could be the energy that

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I had from anger and resentment towards things that happened

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in our marriage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want. I wanted to talk about a

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little bit is the idea of not only spirits and souls,

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but the energy because everything is energy. Everything around us,

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even what we think of a solid matter is energy

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at the sub atomic level, and everything is vibrations. So

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why don't you talk a little bit about this, Irene.

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I mean, I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Thinking you know about this, this, lady.

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Any media will tell you that when they bring someone back,

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or someone comes back, they're going to come back in

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a form in a way that you would recognize them

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as they were. Nose Granny coming back, miserable old Grannie,

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coming back as a huppy, bubbly old grannie, because you

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would say, that's not my grandmother, right. But there were

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times when your wife was not anything like this one said.

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This lady said, there was that other side to your wife,

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a happy, go lucky, fun loving person. She concentrated only

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on that side of it. You could say that your

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wife or shit way it's been put to you. It

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sounds like she your wife is a narcissist.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, she even used those words, which I know

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wasn't true.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So why she's got it once? I mean,

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medium's got it into their head that this person, this

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is how that person is. They will draw out that

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side of it. So if you know everything, all the

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traits of a narcissist, you're going to bring them out

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and of course it's going to be fit in your situation. Yeah,

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do you understand that? Talking about when we were talking

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the other day and I said to you that I

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believe in that's something I do believe that when someone

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passes over, it's like yin and yang. There's two sides

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to them and they split apart or can split apart,

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especially if it's traumatic passover, which is it was with

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your wife. Right, You've got the negative side and you've

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got their positive side. This is another thing that she

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could have been doing. She could have been pulling. Just

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on the negative side. This woman has got talent. She

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has got talent, mark, But it's just they how can

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I put this? It's in the early stages. Hm, So

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what I mean? It's in the early stages as a

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hell of a lot. Well, how long I've been doing it?

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I'm not going to say how old I am, but

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let's say I've been doing it sixty years, so that

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means I'm over sixty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So and I just turned sixty this year. So

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you've been doing it longer than I've been alive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, yeah, I have. I've been doing it longer

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than well, I was around when Jesus was a boy.

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So there you go. It's just that.

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Speaker 1: It's such.

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Speaker 2: She's still trying to run before she can walk. There's

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still a hell of a lot to learn here, I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Now he thought.

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Speaker 1: But now she supposedly could feel spirits coming in coming through,

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and I question that, is it really that's what she's feeling,

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or she's picking up on certain energies off of the

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people there there she's reading mm hmm. And again I

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want to make it a point here, I'm in no

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way putting this woman down. Okay, although I do feel

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most psychics are nowhere near as good as they think

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they are, or they don't really have a full understanding

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of what it is that they're doing, and it's like

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they learn so much and then they hold on to

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that and they don't learn anything else because.

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Speaker 2: Through books.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just.

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Speaker 2: You know, reverberate in the same spell. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, hell, I can tell you that many other researchers

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in the paranormal community do the exact same thing. They

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think they watch a few ghost shows and they know

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how to be a paranormal investigator or they even know

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what they're dealing with, which in all the years, I'm

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guilty of it in the beginning, But thank goodness, I

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learned as I went and I expanded my horizons. Plus

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working with you, you kick my butt whenever I'm going

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down the wrong path.

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Speaker 2: That's true. I enjoy that one.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, you do immensely.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. So, but she has not done. She isn't good.

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physical physical she said she was, So is she able

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to channel people, I mean, actually go into trance and

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things like.

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Speaker 1: This, I don't know, because I don't know anything about

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her other than when she showed up that night.

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Speaker 1: So it brings up a lot of interesting questions in

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regards to spiritual energy. And energy is energy, whether it's spiritual, whether.

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Speaker 2: It's physical like electric.

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Speaker 1: Or ye, you know, the type of energy. We can

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see and measure other types of energy. And this is

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one of the reasons why we called the show what

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we did the Reality Realm, because basically our concept of

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what is reality is woefully inadequate and wrong. I've always

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likened it to the light spectrum. You know, if you

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look at the entire electromagnetic spectrum, we see this little

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sliver and that's all we think of reality, and not

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considering the vastness that goes out in either direction, either

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into the infrared or the ultraviolet that we can't see

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or we cannot directly experience, but it's still there. So

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we're going to be talking about subjects like this to

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try to expand people's ideas of reality. Yeah, and with

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spirit which is something I'm very interested.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you've got to really figure out what

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psychic energy is smart besides the telepathy and this, that

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and the other. You know, everybody's got psychic energy. You've

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got the mother that's worried because she gets gut feeling

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that something happened to her charge late home from school,

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and she's nine out of ten times she's right, you know.

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or anybody. You can sit there with your eyes closed.

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breeze is blown and the leaves are rustling, and it's

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almost real. This is all part of psychic energy, especially

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when it feels real, when you start to feel that,

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you can smell it and feel it. That's all psychic ennergy.

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Everybody can do it.

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Speaker 1: We all have that ability, but we also have a

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lot of it programmed out of it by our Western society,

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our values, and you know how the likes of my mother.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody's going to see a ghost, it's

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going to be me. I was born in a haunted house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you're you're in the UK, whose house

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isn't haunted in the UK, that's it. So I've always

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had a lot of questions about what happens when someone

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passes over when you know, I look at it, and

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you know, Irena and I don't always have to agree

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on everything, and not saying that we disagree on this,

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but I'm just saying that in my what I think

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is again, most people, I feel crossover to wherever that

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ultimate other dimension is. People can call it heaven, people

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can call it whatever you know, Valhalla. I don't care.

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It's it's a definite higher dimension and we are spiritual

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beings at heart having a human experience, and we can

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go into all sorts of other different subjects about that

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that include reincarnation or you know, all these other.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you with that, mark. I don't

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believe that, you know, there a consciousness goes somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Well, energy is never destroyed, it just changes form.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know whether it's going to be

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one of these nice little valleys with flowers and things

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like that. Like everyone says, yess, that's what you wanted

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in life. What about these people that you know they

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don't want to be anywhere else once they die. They

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just want it to be that. Is that possible? Can

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it just be that blackness? And nothing else. Then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what's funny. I've been I've been focusing a

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lot lately on hearing about near death experience stories.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the radio show that we've done the Yeah

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a lot on the radio show.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of YouTube channels where people tell their stories.

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And there's one consistent theme now in the in the

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old spiritualism or what people think when you die is oh,

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you see the light and you go down a tunnel

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and then you come out on this other side and

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you either meet Jesus or an angel or sometimes even

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God directly. Yeah, but there there's also many who talk

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about they first wind up in this black void.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me okay, let me stop you there.

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I've got to go back to my father. But he

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was alive, right, And he was alive before we even

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knew there was anything wrong with my father. Now, my

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father used to have have dreams, and what he used

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to dream usually came true. So I was at the

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ironing board one morning in the kitchen and he got

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up and he came into the kitchen and he said

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to me, I mean, I have had a funny dream

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last night. So I said, what was it? He said,

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I did feel like I was going through a dark tunnel,

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he said. I was being grabbed right, left and sent

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up from These hands were everywhere, and this tunnel was

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pitch black, and I couldn't see the end of the tunnel.

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And I thought, wow, Dad, you're a train driver. You're

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going through tunnels all the time. Maybe that's what's triggered

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this weird dream. So I told him that, trying to

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put his mind at rest, okay, And I never told

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him what I knew about these sort of things or

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what I'd heard over the years. I just said, really,

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a train driver, I just wanted to put his mind

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at rest. But they're Two weeks later, the doctor was

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called to the house and the doctor was worried about

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my father, and my father was taken into hospital and

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he had bowl cancer. And two weeks after he went

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into hospital he was dead. Wow that was fast, Yeah,

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very fast. So Mark, now you're talking about these dark

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places where people go to, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: It's it's that they find themselves in these dark places.

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But many times, even though there's no light, at least

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at first, they they're not feeling in negativity. They actually

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sometimes even feel love, and then eventually a pinpoint of

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light appears and they start racing towards it, and that's

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when they enter a tunnel. Now, there are also stories

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of people who supposedly go to versions of hell, like

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the hands grabbing at your dad and the dream, you know,

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darker spirits or I don't believe in hell myself. I

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think that's a human concept.

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Speaker 2: Although with heaven you heaven you, Heaven you go Hell,

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everything has got to opposite.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's there's higher dimensions and there's.

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Speaker 2: Lower yeah dimensions, you know, good bad. It's so there

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aren't Well we deal.

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Speaker 1: With you know, even in the paranormal, we deal with

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negative entities. Some people can call them demons.

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Speaker 2: I think most people do call them demons in America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, America is infested with demons. It's but you know,

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there's a lot of times you're dealing with things that

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are much different than what people think. They may be mischievous,

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they may be on the negative side, they could be

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quite nasty. Human beings can be quite nasty. And if

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you have someone who's really nasty in life, if they

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pass over, I I believe that. But sometimes people will

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refuse to move on either they're scared that they're going

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to be judged, especially if they were religious or for

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whatever reason, they still want to hold on to things.

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And yet I also believe that a person's soul can

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cross over, but some of that negative or even positive,

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some of the energy can be left behind. In my case,

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as you pointed out, and I actually believe this because

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part of my grief process that I've been going through,

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and I've talked to a therapist about it, is I

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alternate between missing my wife. I still love her, I

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always will, and yet I alternate between those feelings of

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grief and loss to anger at some of the shit

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we went through or some of the things that she

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was doing that I didn't agree with, and I couldn't

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tell her any different, or I could shout it down

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or again, I'm not going to bash her. I'm I

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agree with me. When I said that, then yes I did.

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So it could be because I'm feeling those emotions, that's

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what's clinging to me. That part of me is creating

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that energy myself, because that's what I experienced at times

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when we had our bad times and my resentment had

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grown to a point where you have to watch thought forms,

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you have to guard your thoughts. Thoughts are energy, and

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you could tell me what your thoughts on this, But

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I feel thoughts are energy, and if you focus too

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much on the negative, you're gonna create negative energy around you.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm beginning to think that again. This

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this woman was very good at picking up on energy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are people, you know. Yeah, she was

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very good at picking up on energy. But there are

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people that can. You can look at that straight away

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and you can tell everything about them. Yeah, you can

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tell whether you like them or not if you get

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bad feeling from them, which is all psychic energy again

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mm hmm. You know they're they're either putting it out

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or you're you're taking it up. But then you can

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you could turn around and tell some Sometimes it's so

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strong that you can actually tell that person what they're

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what they're doing. Like just now, and you picked up

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your guitar, I couldn't say I couldn't see you because

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we didn't have cameras on, And I said to you,

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you can get me a song.

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Speaker 1: Just just to clarify this for the audience, this is

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the kind of connection that Irene and I have, which

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is why we do so well together is before we

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jumped on the skype call, I was practicing my guitar

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for the first time in a very long time, trying

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to get back into it, playing very badly. And the

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second she called me, she goes, well, are you gonna

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give me a song? And I'm going, how in the

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frick and frack? Or did you know? I was playing

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my guitar And of course she just laughs at me,

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because you know, she's always tuned into me like that.

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And yet it's, uh, it's I still find it funny

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and amazing at times. But then I also, you know,

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why do I expect any different? And and it's again,

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it's tuning into energy, even though we're like, what three

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thousand miles.

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Speaker 2: Apart, I don't know, it's further than that, six.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe whatever, whatever the distance from New Jersey to

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Wales is. You know, time is an illusion and space

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is even an illusion. You don't have to be next

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to someone to know what's going on. She picked me

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up a continent away, so again it's it's energy, energy

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all around us. One of the other things I want

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to talk about there was another aspect of this reading.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of cold readers what they call

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cold readers. You know, they's got something like a mark

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on your finger where you had a wedding ring and

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then just tell you know, you're separated or you're divorced

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or whatever, that type of thing. But this woman was that.

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I don't think this woman was a cold breader. She's

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not a cold breader.

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Speaker 1: No. No, she picked up.

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Speaker 2: Once once she got a hit, she she dragged it out,

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she ran with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she went way too long without saying that

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much more.

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Speaker 2: Now, she didn't give you any real evidence.

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Speaker 1: She talked about some things that I didn't think she

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could know that sounded personal with my wife. At the

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same time, It's like what you said about certain personality types.

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You can just assuss them out and and talk about

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that personality type, and there's a lot in there that

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could ring true. But the one another thing that she

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saw right off the bat, which I have trouble with,

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is she goes, oh, Archangel, Michael is with you. He's

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standing right behind you, and he's there to help you.

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And I inwardly rolled my eyes. And again I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Just trying to inwardly roll my eyes.

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Speaker 1: Well I was rolling my eyes without hers seeing because

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I'm sitting there going, oh my God, are you kidding me?

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Because and again I'm not putting down anybody's faith, but

475
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:55,519
I don't buy the traditional concept of angels, especially the

476
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,440
handful of named angels that people say, oh, you know,

477
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:05,960
Archangel Gabriel is working with me or Michael or anything else.

478
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,079
It's like, I don't buy it. I'm sorry, I don't.

479
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: It's how they used to say that was angels didn't

480
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,119
have names, angels didn't have gender.

481
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: No, unless it's a way, you know, as humans to

482
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:32,199
more relate to things.

483
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,679
Speaker 2: More comfortable to think that they got archangel Michael. But

484
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,400
I don't know.

485
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:42,599
Speaker 1: Which is a very Christian Judeo Christian concept, which I'm

486
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,519
not a Christian, although I grew up in the church.

487
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,800
And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of things

488
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:54,000
that I think about a lot and uh, especially around Jesus.

489
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:58,440
But do I That's where I don't really believe concepts

490
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:04,880
of heaven, Hell, traditional concepts and angels themselves. Now, what

491
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:15,960
I do believe in is higher spiritual beings entities, yeah,

492
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,840
that we can interpret as quote unquote angels, and then

493
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,039
what we can assign a name to them and if

494
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:32,800
there are all of these these angels supposedly, like what's

495
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,159
the old saying, how many angels can dance on the

496
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:39,280
head of a pin? Okay, if there's this almost infinite

497
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,840
number of angels, why do we know the names of

498
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,039
like four or five of them? And that's it, And

499
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:50,320
that's all anybody ever focuses on. You know, we suppose.

500
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:57,159
Speaker 2: People like it's rank, it's rank. You know, you want

501
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:05,760
to if people like to let they like to their

502
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,079
egos get hold of and hold of them, and they'd

503
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:10,519
like to be there on the top, on the top ones.

504
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:11,639
You know, on the top.

505
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 1: Level there's angels.

506
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: And you know, if there's an angel called, for instance, Christopher, Christopher, oh,

507
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:28,920
come and think of my name at the moment, if

508
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,760
there was an angel called Picky po right, somebody would

509
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,960
have wanted to be with Picky Bow or even talk

510
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,320
about Picky Pow. And as Picky Bow was the top angel,

511
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,400
mm hmm. You know, that's why they go for Gabriel,

512
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,840
they go for Raphael and make VICKI and things like that.

513
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, And which which one was supposedly cast Satan

514
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,440
out of heaven, Michael or Gabriel? I forget which they were, yeah,

515
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,800
which you know, I don't believe in Satan either, or

516
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,559
the real idea of Satan. I think it's a bad

517
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:12,639
rap because he just used to be called the adversary.

518
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,119
It wasn't until much later.

519
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,639
Speaker 2: It's not you know, like we said, this is all

520
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:21,639
a biblical thing to get bums on SATs in church.

521
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,639
If you don't come to church, you're going to hell. Now.

522
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,599
The dimons will get you, the devil will get you.

523
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Which is there are things that there. It's an energy,

524
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:42,239
it's an energy, and it's bad. You know, there are

525
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,039
bad cleans out there, bad energies.

526
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: And what happens. And this can be a whole nother show,

527
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,840
because we've discussed this in the past, But what are

528
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,920
a lot of these bad negative energies.

529
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: You cannot destroy a bad negative energy, you cannot destroy it.

530
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: But when you're dealing with a bad negative energy.

531
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: Demon, you won't be able to destroy a demon. No

532
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,559
one can destroy a demon.

533
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: We say, you can't destroy a soul. Energy cannot be

534
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:23,320
destroyed the But these these demon cases, you know, they

535
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,559
start off small and they keep getting bigger and bigger

536
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,639
because they're causing chaos in a home or with.

537
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: A person put an energy into it.

538
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're feeding it and that's why it's getting stronger.

539
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: I've always liked you're given out energy and that energy

540
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,079
is just connected. It's like start feeding a little fire

541
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,079
and feed a flame. It's going to turn into a fernow,

542
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:46,480
isn't it.

543
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:51,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's I liken them to a parasite. They

544
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:55,360
latch onto someone, cause enough chaos in their life to

545
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,719
have all these negative emotions and they feed off of it. Yeah,

546
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,679
and they get stronger. So energy energy.

547
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,119
Speaker 2: Is such a wild is interesting.

548
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: It's very interesting.

549
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:18,039
Speaker 2: It is interesting, and it is such a big, big concept.

550
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,159
You know, there is so much to it.

551
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:28,519
Speaker 1: So kind of getting back to the angel thing, and again,

552
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,480
I do believe there.

553
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: Are well you know that, don't you.

554
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: Thought the energy there's wet energy cooks.

555
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:41,599
Speaker 2: There is oh fuck energy.

556
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:48,199
Speaker 1: Yes, your British accent keeps throwing me off. Thought energy. Well,

557
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,079
that's that is what I attribute to what the psychic

558
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,039
was seeing around me. She kept seeing it around my

559
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:01,079
feet and piled up around like it was hanging on

560
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:05,119
to me. But that was my own negative thoughts and

561
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,639
energy building up, and it was called it's a thought

562
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:11,480
form energy. It's like you know what you wrote about

563
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:15,800
in your your novel Where Demon's Dwell, about thought forms

564
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:20,960
because of creating like a tulpa or something that a

565
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:25,119
low level thought form energy that can kind of act

566
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:27,480
on its own or through direction.

567
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: And what was that in We've Got to Give Book?

568
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,199
Speaker 1: I did? I said, your novel Where Demons Dwell by Irene.

569
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: Allen, okay, right, invitable on Amazon.

570
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,519
Speaker 1: Amazon, in kid book. Yes, we had the block to

571
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:51,320
that been Kindle soft cover and now hardcover.

572
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: That's is it, Yes, to get it?

573
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I put them all on hardcover for you.

574
00:42:58,199 --> 00:42:59,639
Speaker 2: Another one for the bookshelf.

575
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,159
Speaker 1: Through a grape yeah, sure, pass it through the screen here.

576
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:10,639
I mean, if you could see me playing guitar, you know,

577
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:12,719
you might as well hand some you know, hand some

578
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:21,119
grapes over to me. Yeah. So so you know, these

579
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:26,440
angels are these these higher level beings. And when we

580
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:32,440
say higher level, I'm talking about entities.

581
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only way to describe them is it either

582
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,599
entity or beings. But they are neither of neither of them.

583
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,840
It is an energy.

584
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,559
Speaker 1: It's an energy, and it's an intelligent energy. And the

585
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:53,519
fact the fact that these let's let's focus on the

586
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:59,559
intelligent energies for the moment. You know, people again, in

587
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:04,480
most religions and theology, they look at black and white

588
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:08,840
heaven and hell, okay, when in reality, there are these

589
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,199
multiple levels going in either directions, just like the light

590
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,360
spectrum higher and lower.

591
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not really been proven that.

592
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:25,159
Speaker 1: No, it's not. What I'm saying is is theoretical. Secondhand,

593
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,119
I can't prove it.

594
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: I seen it.

595
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:35,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have lucky you.

596
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:36,519
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't want to write.

597
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,199
Speaker 1: But you know, these beings can or entities can exist

598
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,280
on multiple levels, not just in heaven or what we

599
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,400
think of as heaven or the spirit plane. Spirit plane

600
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:59,519
is one plane out of many, and we as human souls,

601
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,840
I think we have we have the ability to move

602
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,400
on to different planes as as we develop, whether you know,

603
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:12,280
through lifetimes here on earth, through whatever we whatever the

604
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,840
hell it is we do when we're not here on earth.

605
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:29,360
But it's all vibrations, yeah, vibrational energy. M There's also

606
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:35,679
the the concept of when people die and they go

607
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:43,840
to heaven, and so many Westerners see Jesus, Okay, do

608
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,519
they well, they say they do.

609
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:48,119
Speaker 2: I think they do.

610
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:49,039
Speaker 1: They think they do.

611
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,679
Speaker 2: You're talking about people, You're not talking about people that

612
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,480
die and they're dead, Yes.

613
00:45:57,639 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if they die in their dead, how the

614
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,280
hell would we know about it? Well, this is true,

615
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,760
one that knows what they're doing. Yeah, But I also

616
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:16,320
feel that what's what's beyond is really beyond our comprehension.

617
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,880
And some of these people come back and they see

618
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:25,599
or they they process things that can be done on

619
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:29,400
a human level. So when they when they go and

620
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,119
they say they've seen Jesus, I think one of two

621
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,760
things happens. Either that's what they're their brain is processing

622
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:45,199
whatever higher level energy that they're dealing with. And I

623
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:53,880
also feel that these entities are not above presenting themselves

624
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,440
in such a way that the person would have more

625
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,199
of an instant understanding. You know, if they're they're not

626
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:08,599
going to you know, appear as like Zeus, if they're

627
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:14,840
not following Greek mythology, they're Christian, they see Jesus. Even

628
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,679
if they're not Christian, they're exposed to enough Christianity in

629
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,679
our countries that you know, maybe that's what they'll see. Occasionally,

630
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,519
some people see you know, Muhammad, you know, and what

631
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:32,119
about Eastern philosophies, So.

632
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: There's you know, they don't always see someone high like that.

633
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:39,440
You know, there are the ones that pass over come

634
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:43,920
back and they've been chatting with Grandma over there. Grandma's

635
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,599
the one that's told them time to go back. Is

636
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:50,880
it Grandma or is it another entertainment or something that's

637
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,639
disguising it or looking like Grandma. So that that person

638
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,239
that's soul, that spirit, soul whatever feels comfortable with them

639
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:00,559
m hmm.

640
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:05,559
Speaker 1: Knowing that that person is coming back, and that's what

641
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:08,920
in their human form they're going to understand.

642
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,639
Speaker 2: All I say, everyone's got everyone's got the date written

643
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:13,440
on them, darling.

644
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, mine's mine's out there. Maybe it'll be sooner

645
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:19,119
than later, who knows.

646
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,599
Speaker 2: So if they do come back, it's because they haven't

647
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,960
reached their date and that that was they've got bloody

648
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,599
good surgeons and things like.

649
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:34,599
Speaker 1: That, or or like me, you just get damn lucky. Yeah,

650
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,920
because I could have checked out earlier this year.

651
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: Now you couldn't.

652
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't my time.

653
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: Have you ever been in a grape, you know, as

654
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:54,519
a child, every I know, but every grape I had

655
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:59,559
sea I've just bitten. Now nowadays all the grapes in

656
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:02,960
the shop are all seedless, so you can't get hold

657
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,079
of that little seed and plant it like you did

658
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,639
when you were a kid. And if you bite into

659
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:14,800
a grape, now bite grape in half, it looks quite revolting.

660
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,519
There's a white bit in that one.

661
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all that hybridization and genetic engineering. GMOs. Yeah,

662
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,199
I've seen some really scary stuff that they're they're.

663
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:32,559
Speaker 2: Scary stuff in great Darling.

664
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so hard to buy any anything anymore that

665
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,000
they haven't screwed up, which is why our elp is

666
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:48,639
so bad. But that could be another show altogether, gripes, grapes,

667
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,800
or that they're doing our food and what I want.

668
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: To talk about. I want to I want to mention

669
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,519
this now we're doing to show. And this happened a

670
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:02,280
couple of weeks ago, and it's still aggravating me because

671
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,800
I've got to get it out there. Okay about the cutulary,

672
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:14,639
the cutlary Darling. Yes, right, My husband and I were

673
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,119
in and I'm going to give this no, I'm not

674
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:19,840
going to give it up. We were in a shop

675
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,280
and we were in the restaurant in the shop, and

676
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,920
we were a cup of tea and a bite tweet

677
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,960
and it was we're sitting at a four seater table.

678
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,119
We sat at two seats, one opposite each other. That

679
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,119
left two seats opposite each other with no one sitting there.

680
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,639
We had a tray. We had put two pots of

681
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:46,159
tea with this that and the other, and cuts and saucers,

682
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:56,159
and we left everything on the tray. It's at the

683
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:59,280
cuts and saucers and the milk, and team poured it

684
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,519
out at the tea teapot back onto the trees. And

685
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,840
we were sitting eating. I just finished eating, but he

686
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:12,199
was still eating, and I sat there watching him. And

687
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,039
as I watched him, I heard this noise and when

688
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:18,320
I looked at the tray, I watched a teaspoon move

689
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,280
across the tray, up over the lip of the tray,

690
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,679
over the rest of the table that was there, and

691
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,000
then dropped down onto the floor. He saw it at

692
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:31,119
the corner of his eye.

693
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: Hmm.

694
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: Right, No one was touching it. It just and it

695
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,519
it just moved, and it was absolutely fantastic to just

696
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:47,599
watch it move, you know. And then when I came home,

697
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:53,800
and it was a little while afterwards, right, I was

698
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,440
standing in the dining room. I got an island in

699
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,280
the dining room with a space so coffee maker on

700
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,199
it and everything. Pickles pee with cage is in the window.

701
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:12,559
Pickle pees with is pickle Pee with a parrot. And

702
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:16,440
all of a sudden I heard this clatter, look down,

703
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,800
looked at Pickles. He was on the floor of the

704
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:26,199
cage jumping over a carving knife. I literally heard the

705
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:31,639
clatter of it in the bars and going through the bars,

706
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:35,159
and Pickles is jumping on it, trying to kill it

707
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,079
in the bottle of cage. Right.

708
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,559
Speaker 1: Well, he's always trying to kill something or someone.

709
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:46,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but my cutlery drawer is in the kitchen by

710
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:51,519
the sink. Okay, So that knife had to go with

711
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,840
the full length of the kitchen and it had to

712
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,960
turn right through the door, then go turn left and

713
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,960
go straight to throw the dining room to the end

714
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,639
of the dining room and straight into pickles cage. How

715
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:05,599
the hell did it do it?

716
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,159
Speaker 1: You know? That kind of activity again, it's another form

717
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:15,840
of energy, because some type of energy needed to move

718
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:20,719
the spoon and the knife and what's behind it, what,

719
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:26,400
what's what's causing it? To me, it seems intelligent mm hmm.

720
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:32,079
You know, that's like what we've both experienced with things

721
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:33,679
in our houses. Disappearing.

722
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: The only two people that were involved in both these

723
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,440
episodes was me and Brian. Brian was in the kitchen

724
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,400
on the other side of the room, by the by

725
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,880
the cooker, so he had his back to everything, but

726
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:58,679
he heard it hmm And all I was doing was

727
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:05,159
making a coffee, you know, domine myself and an expressor

728
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:15,079
hmm o way in the dining room. Fascinating if we

729
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:22,280
come back with some form of uh spare energy like

730
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:29,360
a ghost from Dumbhill. Oh degree, right, this sort of

731
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,519
energy we could have done. We were just talking normal.

732
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,599
It was normal life, you know, the want to hit

733
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,760
up one arguing that.

734
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:48,159
Speaker 1: You being you, you seem to attract different energies. It's

735
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:52,920
like a moth to a flame. And since that the

736
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:56,559
knife incident happened so shortly after the spoon, would not

737
00:54:56,679 --> 00:55:02,960
surprise me if something followed you home, well.

738
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: That's happened since so it must have got bored and

739
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,880
cleared off again.

740
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: Attached itself and did looked at you. It did a

741
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,400
little something and then went back to wherever it came from. Yeah,

742
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:26,559
but again that kind of poultry geist activity they call it,

743
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:31,599
you know, is interesting. That's like the coin that mysteriously

744
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:37,719
appeared on my guest the day of my wife's funeral.

745
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: All the coins that dropped through drop down through the ceiling.

746
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,559
When we were having a conversation in the kitchen, me

747
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:49,320
and about six other people, he's coin dropped down from

748
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,760
the ceiling down behind the radiator, slipped down beyond the

749
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,079
radiator and landed on the floor behind me.

750
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: There was an investigation I was doing once where we

751
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,639
you know a few of my team members and the

752
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:05,840
clients were standing in the kitchen in a circle talking

753
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,039
and a quarter would drop right in the middle of us,

754
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:10,519
peered out of nowhere and dropped on the floor.

755
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,119
Speaker 2: This is what makes me. This makes me angry, and

756
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,119
I really does make me angry about the things that

757
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:20,639
happen to me. You always get coins when it happens

758
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:25,280
to me in the in the hallway, it's stones, well.

759
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,639
Speaker 1: To be throw stones that to be fair, I've only

760
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:30,480
had it happen a couple of times in my life,

761
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,760
so it's not like it's something that happens all the time.

762
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,800
That's for me. Yeah, Well they're pretty.

763
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:46,559
Speaker 2: Stones, just from ordinary old stones from outdoors. Had all

764
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:51,880
type small stones, and I always throw to miss. Have

765
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,119
you ever noticed that if you're ever going to get

766
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,440
anything thrown to you, it would miss you.

767
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's enough to are you and get your attention,

768
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,159
which maybe is the point.

769
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I tell you, Okay, I'm standing right there

770
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,840
at the coffee makeup. Pickles Pee was in the window

771
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,039
in his massive, great cage. The knife goes, well, obviously

772
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:17,159
missed me, but it went straight through the cage. It

773
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,079
killed up the MoMA, ended up putting my Pickles on

774
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:21,440
the scow.

775
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:26,719
Speaker 1: Couldn't it It could have, yes, but no damage done

776
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,320
except that It's a good thing the knife was metal,

777
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,199
or Pickles would have ripped it to pieces.

778
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would have done.

779
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least he didn't when I was there. At

780
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,440
least he didn't like lunge at the cage trying and

781
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:44,760
rip my face off. He would look at me, but

782
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,599
I kept a good distance away.

783
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,519
Speaker 2: Do you know I've only ever with Pickles, I've only

784
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:54,360
ever seen him frightened once in his life, and he's

785
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,800
what thirty or years old?

786
00:57:56,239 --> 00:57:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

787
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: Right, And because it's not scared of anything, Pickles is.

788
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,199
It's a cross between a rock vila and a golden

789
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:11,760
eagle in his head anyway, Right, But when we first

790
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,119
moved into this house. Not long after we moved in,

791
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,559
Pickles was put into the to what was then a

792
00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:24,599
living room it's now the dining room. And I was

793
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:28,079
laying in bed one night. Oh, tremendous noise. It was

794
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:31,280
like he was going crazy down there, you know, battering

795
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:39,480
himself against everything, and it was all dark in there.

796
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:43,079
I walked into the room. I saw something move quickly

797
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:48,639
away from the cage, right, a dark, dark mast type.

798
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,800
They moved away from the cage, and poor old Pickles

799
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,639
he was panting on the bottom of the cage. He

800
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,800
was in such a statemrk. I heave the light of

801
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,239
the rest of the day. A few days. I would

802
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,519
never put him in the dark. I kept him in

803
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:07,000
the light until I thought it'd be okay in the

804
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:10,960
dark again, you know. So about really a week I

805
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:12,880
was leaving a light or in that room for it,

806
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,599
because whatever it was was interested in him. He was

807
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:19,400
a newcomer into this house and it was like it

808
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:20,639
was attracted to him.

809
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:22,199
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

810
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

811
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Fascinating.

812
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:32,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating. And of course the black mass is Oh.

813
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:33,880
I got punched in the bomb the other day, but

814
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:36,639
that was another story for another time.

815
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, that happened to me when I was visiting.

816
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,639
Kept yourself lucky, something something like the bomb.

817
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,079
Speaker 2: We do like, you know, we do like to please

818
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:54,920
in this house. And there's the black mass that people

819
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,840
have seen in the house as well. Yeah, but I

820
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,119
don't feel that that is anything that I need to

821
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,280
really get rid of. It's not that. Okay, it's dark,

822
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,159
it's a dark energy, but it's not anything that scares me.

823
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:13,519
And if nothing scares me, why should I get rid

824
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:17,480
of it? Right, It's all part of part and parcel

825
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:24,960
of this property, this land and everything else. Like I said,

826
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:28,559
Glenante will be talked about at some point, and the

827
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:33,400
antics of the what we call the spooks of Glenite.

828
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: Oh yes, in which I had well my own experiences

829
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,159
when I was there.

830
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,719
Speaker 2: And although we look at this as all energy and everything,

831
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:46,119
we're going to start we will have to so people understand.

832
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:52,079
We will have to use the common names for things

833
01:00:52,119 --> 01:01:01,639
like ghosts, uh, you know, entities, being spirits, demonious.

834
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,239
Speaker 1: I think the only demon you have in your house

835
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,280
is pickles.

836
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Otherwise, you know, the people aren't going to understand

837
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,599
the world what the hell we're going to be talking

838
01:01:11,639 --> 01:01:17,920
about If we call it a demon. It not a

839
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,400
demon that you would visualize a demon to look like,

840
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,199
but it's a full of energy. That's how we see it.

841
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: Very cool. Well, you know what, we are out of time, we.

842
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: Always having done it when you're having fun.

843
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: Oh yes, well we're going to have plenty more to

844
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:45,119
talk about. We are going to be trying to go

845
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:48,239
back to a weekly show. I know for a while

846
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,760
there we went to buy weekly and then we didn't

847
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,519
do much this year because of everything. But now we

848
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,760
want to get back into it. So we're going to

849
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,199
try to come out every Wednesday or right around Wednesdays

850
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,840
m hmm, and with with the new show each week.

851
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,519
So be sure to.

852
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:14,519
Speaker 2: Argue a bit and we may, well we do. We

853
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:16,360
do argue.

854
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we argue all the time.

855
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: We insult each other a bit as well, and we laugh,

856
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,679
you know, we laugh at each other. We have fun.

857
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,920
So that's what the show is going to be about,

858
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:37,280
paranormal with this mixed up maniac type of personalities that

859
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:37,760
we've got.

860
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,719
Speaker 1: M oh yes we do.

861
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: They're going to play us out yep.

862
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:51,679
Speaker 1: Well, when to thank everybody for tuning into the very

863
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:57,119
first premiere episode of the Reality Realm here on the

864
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:02,400
Paranormal UK Radio Network, and we'll stay with one of

865
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,880
our old staples. I mean, where can people find us?

866
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: At the WMA, at the well.

867
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: Wherever major podcasts can be found, will be there. So

868
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,000
everyone have a wonderful week, be good humans, and we

869
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:36,239
will catch you all next time. Take care, oh,