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<v Speaker 1>All right back on the big one. It's the average

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<v Speaker 1>American in for the great American on this Monday break

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<v Speaker 1>to have you with us. We are closing in on

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<v Speaker 1>a month down the road from the election. That'll be tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no question that immigration was a huge factor

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<v Speaker 1>in Donald Trump regaining power regaining the presidency. Swing voters

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<v Speaker 1>broke for Trump fifty two percent versus thirty eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>for Harris, and swing voters voters broke late for Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump in this election, and among total swing voters who

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately chose Donald Trump, immigration was a key issue, seventy

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent of them believing that it was extremely or

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<v Speaker 1>very accurate to say Democrats are not quote tough enough

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<v Speaker 1>on addressing the border crisis end quote. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with Donald Trump needs to address it, needs to

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<v Speaker 1>address quickly, How quickly, how effective will he be able

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<v Speaker 1>to address it? And what happens when the media, the

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding hearts in the media began showing us pictures and

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<v Speaker 1>writing stories about families being separated in various locations around

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<v Speaker 1>the country, regardless of whether or not there is a

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<v Speaker 1>criminal in that family who came here illegally to do

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<v Speaker 1>God knows what to this country regardless of all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>because the media doesn't get all that wrapped up on

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<v Speaker 1>details what happens when they begin painting that picture and

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<v Speaker 1>how it will it affect about how Donald Trump goes

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<v Speaker 1>about his business. Standing by the way, in as someone

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<v Speaker 1>whose opinion matters greatly on this, we have had Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur on the show before. He is a law and

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<v Speaker 1>policy expert at the Center for Immigration Studies, and he

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<v Speaker 1>has carved out some time to spend with us right

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<v Speaker 1>here on seven hundred W welw and Andrew, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you on this glorious day, Ken.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great. It's a beautiful day here in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>The states started to recover and we're getting ready for

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<v Speaker 2>the Christmas season. Though first be warm in the staff,

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<v Speaker 2>not that way today.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that North Carolina hopefully digging out from the

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<v Speaker 1>devastation of that hurricane. It is a beautiful state. I

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<v Speaker 1>spent a part of last December in North Carolina. I

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<v Speaker 1>just love that state. All right, So you've you've been

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<v Speaker 1>busy on this topic. I just just for a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of I guess clarity. There were studies done on this,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were studies that just basically reinforced what I

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<v Speaker 1>just said. There's no question immigration and the philosophical approach

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<v Speaker 1>to it by the Biden administration was absolutely paramount in

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<v Speaker 1>this election. How long do you think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take Donald Trump to undo what Joe Biden and his

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<v Speaker 1>people did to this country from an immigration standpoint over

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<v Speaker 1>the last three and a half years, or would it

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<v Speaker 1>be asking too much to ask Donald Trump to undo

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<v Speaker 1>it in the four years he'll have it the oval office.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, Ken, And you know, to start with,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just say that Donald Trump probably picked the

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<v Speaker 2>best man that he could to be the quarterback on

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<v Speaker 2>his team at the White House on this issue. Tom Homan. Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, was the former Deputy Director of ICE under

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<v Speaker 2>Barack Obama when he headed the Enforcement Removal Operations Unit.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also an acting ICE director under President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>This a guy who literally came up from the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a cop and then he became a border

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<v Speaker 2>patrol agent, worked his way up through ICE. Really knows

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<v Speaker 2>the ins and outs of this. And you know, can

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<v Speaker 2>remember back to a time when we were actually effectively

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<v Speaker 2>running the border, when we were effectively removing people from

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, and when we didn't leave the back

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<v Speaker 2>door open for any and all to come in. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you know, you've probably got the best

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<v Speaker 2>person out of all three hundred and thirty five million

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<v Speaker 2>Americans in charge of this issue. But the question that

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<v Speaker 2>jazz is bigger than that. And when you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers of people who are here illegally, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>even really get a grasp on it. You'll hear numbers

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere between eleven point three million to about twenty five million.

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<v Speaker 2>We estimate that it's something between thirteen and fifteen million,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of those people literally just showed up,

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<v Speaker 2>just showed up in the last four years, so they

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<v Speaker 2>really haven't put down the sorts of roots that you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. But can consider the fact that there are

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<v Speaker 2>more than five hundred thousand migrant children in our schools

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I mean, that's a huge number of people.

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<v Speaker 2>And extricating, you know, children from the community, sending them

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<v Speaker 2>back home, that's going to require a lot of political will.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that you know, when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers that you just cited, those are from Blueprint Analyzes.

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<v Speaker 2>Blueprint is a democratic organization, so they're looking at this

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<v Speaker 2>with a pretty clear eye. You know, this was a

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<v Speaker 2>major issue, and the American people want something done. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want my honest assessment, though, Donald Trump's not really

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to to undo just the damage

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<v Speaker 2>in the last four years, during the four years that

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to have, I estimate that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take about a decade. It's probably going to cost about

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<v Speaker 2>a trillion dollars to extricate the United States trum this. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a trillion dollar spent on removing people. Removing

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<v Speaker 2>people is actually a lot cheaper proposition. But when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to caring for all of those people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>about eight million people who have arrived over the last

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<v Speaker 2>four years. You know, in providing aid to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the school districts and the cities and the towns, the

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<v Speaker 2>police forces that are going to need to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant crime, you're going to rack up a trillion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>bill pretty quickly. And unfortunately, a lot of that money

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<v Speaker 2>isn't going to be paid by the federal government. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that is going to be paid by state

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<v Speaker 2>and local officials as they deal with this, try to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, handle and provide for the children, provide medical

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<v Speaker 2>care for people who are This is a mess, And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think that the American people appreciate how

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<v Speaker 2>big a mess this is. I think that over the

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<v Speaker 2>next two years, we're actually going to start to see

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<v Speaker 2>some of those costs come do. And the American people

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<v Speaker 2>are you know, just going to support uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump policies even more than they have. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a lot of pushback in the media. Is

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<v Speaker 2>going to show you a picture of you know, every

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<v Speaker 2>you know, mother and child that ends up getting removed,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, try to play on the heartstreams of

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<v Speaker 2>the American people. I just don't know how successful that's

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, And honestly, I think if they're if

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<v Speaker 1>they're smart, what what they'll do it? And you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Trump is smart. I think what he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>wind up doing is going after the the the people

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<v Speaker 1>that have entered this country that have committed crimes either

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<v Speaker 1>in this country when they arrived or have a criminal

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<v Speaker 1>I think if he tries to go in and separate

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<v Speaker 1>mother from child and things like that, that's that's an

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<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a non win him. But I think Initially,

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<v Speaker 1>he can stop what's going over the southern border. We

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<v Speaker 1>already see that Mexico really wants to play ball because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want to be tariffed. Same with Canada as well,

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<v Speaker 1>So you have that. I think he'll physically try and

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<v Speaker 1>finish that border wall, and if he does, indeed have

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three Republicans in con well, he's he's got fifty

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<v Speaker 1>plus his vice president and then three people that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they may be Republicans, they may not be, Collins and

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<v Speaker 1>Murkowski and McConnell. We'll see exactly where they go with

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<v Speaker 1>these votes. But if indeed can get that wall finished

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<v Speaker 1>and can start extricating the criminals that are in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that will go a long way in curtailing

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<v Speaker 1>a new people coming in and b maybe getting the

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<v Speaker 1>message out to other people they should not be in

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<v Speaker 1>this in this country in the first place. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's where Homan starts, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>You, Yeah, no, absolutely, In fact, mister Homan has said

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to be where he starts. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are hundreds of thousands an estimated you know, seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand criminal aliens who are in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>who are going to be a top priority. We also

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<v Speaker 2>have hundreds of people who are on the terror watch

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<v Speaker 2>list who are here. We're going to need to get

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<v Speaker 2>those people out. And if you start to move through

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<v Speaker 2>you know those hundreds of thousands of people, the dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>of all of this has changed. You have a paradigm shift.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no longer you know, thought of that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to come here and live here indefinitely

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<v Speaker 2>and remain here forever. You know, now people are going

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<v Speaker 2>to start to see those criminals taken off the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to start to see a crackdown along the

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<v Speaker 2>border if they have family members that they're hoping to

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<v Speaker 2>immigrate and they're not going to be able to make it.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I mean completing the border wall system, which

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<v Speaker 2>is bigger than just defence itself. You know, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>cameras and the lights and the fiber opt to cable,

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<v Speaker 2>all those other things that make that border wall system

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<v Speaker 2>work is going to be a game changer. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to see the number of people entering the

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<v Speaker 2>lead a plummet. We're going to go back to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen numbers when we saw the first Trump effect.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to see a lot of cooperations from Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>and Cannon. That's in both of their interests to help

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<v Speaker 2>us out on this, and then we could start to

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<v Speaker 2>address that criminal population, that national security risk population in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. And you know, you're going to see

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people go home because that's what happened

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<v Speaker 2>about three hundred thousand to five hundred thousand people who

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<v Speaker 2>are here unlawfully can't lead every year, I fig you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see those numbers pick up. In fact, there

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<v Speaker 2>was an article out of Dalton, Georgia that was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how people you know there were planning on leaving there.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an article out of Springfield, Ohio about people

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<v Speaker 2>who were looking for someplace else to live because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they know that they are, you know, in the cross

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<v Speaker 2>heirs of immigration enforcement. So yeah, I mean, really, the

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<v Speaker 2>most important thing that Trump's going to do is change

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<v Speaker 2>the narrative of all this. I think they we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get back to a lawful immigration system, an orderly

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<v Speaker 2>immigration system. That's in the interesting American people. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's you know, the election itself is the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>statement that the American people can make about immigration. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's going to have a real impact.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Arthur our guest. He's with the Center for Immigration Studies.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not only writing and writing well about immigration for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time on CIS dot org. How important was

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<v Speaker 1>immigration in the twenty twenty four election? A really detailed

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<v Speaker 1>study that cites some of the research that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>You also writes op eds that appear in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different places. I saw this. Texas has spent millions

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<v Speaker 1>placing razor wire along the border. Well, Biden found a

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<v Speaker 1>judge that said that was illegal, and I guess it was.

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<v Speaker 1>The Fed started cutting down the wire. Then wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>there was an appeals court ruling against Biden last week

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<v Speaker 1>to block Texas from kenny continuing to place razor wire.

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<v Speaker 1>This seawire up so it can continue. You again, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this depends on whether or not Trump gets

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<v Speaker 1>to complete the rest of his wall. But there's no question,

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<v Speaker 1>as you point out in this article, that the razor

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<v Speaker 1>wire is a great deterrent for people coming into this

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<v Speaker 1>country whose first act when they come into this country

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<v Speaker 1>is an illegal act. So I don't sense that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a bad ruling by this latest judge. But it

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<v Speaker 1>does work, does it not?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, absolutely. Inact, you can look at the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Texas has been running something called Operation Loan Star ever

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<v Speaker 2>since March twenty twenty one. They said troopers down their

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<v Speaker 2>National National Guard troops down there to you know, bolster

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<v Speaker 2>border patrol. And then just before Title forty two ended,

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<v Speaker 2>they started erecting these concertina wire or sea wire barriers

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<v Speaker 2>along the Rio Grande and you know, near population centers

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<v Speaker 2>to prevent people from crossing over and just blending into

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<v Speaker 2>the community and escaping into the country that way. For

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, nobody really knows the reason why. In September

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, CBP under the Biden Harris administration started

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<v Speaker 2>destroying portions of that wire in Maverick County, Texas. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this launched a fight. It went all the

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<v Speaker 2>way to the Supreme Court about whether they could tear

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<v Speaker 2>it out or whether they couldn't tear it out. And

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned the judge that they went to the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>She's actually a very interesting woman, judge of Leah Moses

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<v Speaker 2>down in Texas. She initially said, you know, the Biden

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<v Speaker 2>Harris administration could continue to destroy it, but she talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the political ego and ranker that had brought us

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<v Speaker 2>to this point. She said, look, the immigration system may

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<v Speaker 2>be dysfunctional, but it works when you allow it to work. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, her initial decision that allowed them to go

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<v Speaker 2>forward and destroy the wire that's just been reversed, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>was a win for the Biden administration, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>a stunning indictment of the Biden administration and the immigration

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<v Speaker 2>policies that they run down there. And now that this

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<v Speaker 2>circuit you know, has gotten along with that said no,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do it. This is sovereign state pop property

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to leave it alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But I don't think the Biden administration cared about

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<v Speaker 1>what her opinion was. They just said, hey, we can

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<v Speaker 1>cut the wire down. They provided them an optic right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely. But one thing that you'll note, Ken,

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<v Speaker 2>is that ever since the Supreme Court ruled in January

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four that they could go ahead destroying the wire,

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't touched it. Because going into an election year,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're contending that you're doing everything you

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<v Speaker 2>can to secure the border, and then you go destroying

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<v Speaker 2>the only impediment that there is to illegal immigration, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a bad visual. Yeah, And it was a bad

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<v Speaker 2>visual for you know, for Joe Biden when he was

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<v Speaker 2>running for president. It was a horrible one for Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>So Texas, Texas won, Texas is still winning on that issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, because if you recall back then, that Senate

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<v Speaker 1>seat Thatsad was still in play, it looked like it

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<v Speaker 1>might have been a flip for the Democrats, so they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't really go in there and jeopardize that. And again

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<v Speaker 1>they probably thought, well, you know, Texas may be turning

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<v Speaker 1>more purple than we think, and maybe we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to flip Texas in a national election. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, that would have if you would would have

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<v Speaker 1>put border patrol agents in between the Texas Rangers and

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<v Speaker 1>and the federal government, you know, wherever they may be

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the army, wherever it might have been, it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been. It would have been horrible. But I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you. I think it's I think it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be difficult. It's going to take years, decades probably

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<v Speaker 1>to undo what has happened to this country over the

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<v Speaker 1>last three and a half years. But I sense that

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<v Speaker 1>there are breaks that are being applied. But that won't

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Arthur, we appreciate your time here and you stay

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<v Speaker 1>well and keep fighting the good fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you can and best to all your listeners here.

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<v Speaker 1>He is that is a great destination where they take immigration,

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<v Speaker 1>I love to listen to Sloaney while I'm jogging. He

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to Slooney in the shower after my run.

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to Sloaney in the shower too.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of all those group man baths I

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<v Speaker 3>run out of hot water. I guess anytime is the

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I hate cold shower.

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