Speaker 1: Ellie Murphy my guest for the evening. You know exactly
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Please make sure you support the content creators that come
on the show, otherwise they don't come on anymore. Ellie,
It's a pleasure to have you on tonight.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure here.
Speaker 1: So you are a very special case. When I originally
started the show with my co host, we had two intentions.
I want to interview the biggest names in porn, and
I want to interview the girls who are not the
biggest names in porn, who will become the biggest names
in porn. And through that process, we started going deeper
and we started brand new faces. Now. We brought you
on early, early for brand new faces, and it was
amazing because we talked to performers like you, and some
of them stay a year, some of them stay six months.
Some of them decide they don't really want to do this,
and you know, decide it's not for them years later,
four or five years later. However, many it is here.
You are. You have worked with some of the biggest
performers in the industry. You have worked on some of
the biggest sites in the industry. You are an example
of someone who went from a brand new face for
me up to an actual mainstream performer. And I know
it sounds weird as I've met you and talked to
you one time in the past, but I want to
say you had the professionalism in you back then, and
it is only shown how strong it was that you've
gotten to this point. So I just want to congratulate
you on that and say you've done a great job
with your career up to this point, and I think
you're You're awesome.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I definitely appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Sure. What first question, And this is corny, but I
always start out my interviews with the going Deeper girls
with this, from what you do the entire day, what
do you consider your job title to be if you
were to put on a resume the adult industry goes away.
Now you got to put this on your resume. What
was your job in this industry?
Speaker 2: I don't know that I could put one specific title
on it. Broadly speaking, I would say adult performer or
performer creator tends to be kind of riling with it personally,
because for me, I don't know It's always been one
of those things where like just because I do porn,
I know that like makes me a star, but I
feel like I'm still just an actress, not like because
I'm not like at the top with like the top
top models that have been there. I kind of see
it a little differently. I see myself kind of on
the same plane as like everybody else. So I just
consider as all performers. And since that encompasses, it can
also encompass not just the mainstream side of things, but
the content creation, the camming, all of that. It's all
performing in some aspect, and so I would say probably
just adult performer or adult actress just in all encompassing.
Speaker 1: What's so interesting about that too, is it that doesn't
account for any of the social media work you have
to do, like the outside perspective, right the outside someone just.
Speaker 2: Like social media. Well, marketing is not my category, has
never been. I still struggle.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Okay, fair enough, So you'd be even bigger
if you gave a shit about that. I think if
I had.
Speaker 2: If I had a marketing team, probably I know that
that's honestly probably the only way I'm going to be
able to actually handle all the social media aspects in
the way that I really need to be able to
because there are so many of them and keeping track
of everything is really difficult with everything else that goes on,
and so like if I was able to do that better, yeah,
I'd probably be a lot more.
Speaker 1: Known or known.
Speaker 2: I guess that's not necessarily the word, right, But it
also just depends, like where you take it to, Like
this year has been very interesting for everybody, and so
it's like if you're doing mainstream mostly and then like
you're doing only canes on the side or vice versa,
that's a little different than like if you're juggling that
and like the camming aspect of things, because you can
and put plugs in certain places that you can't in others,
kind of like with here.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, all right, that makes sense. So just to
recount a little bit for the audience, if you if
they haven't listened to the Brand New Faces episode, how
did you initially decide to make that step into the
adult entertainment industry. Did you have like vanilla stuff before
this and you just decided like fuck it, this is
who I am, I'm going to do this, or was
it always your intention like, let me jump into this
as soon as I'm comfortable doing it.
Speaker 2: So I actually never saw myself getting into this industry.
If you had asked me, like when I graduated high school,
if I ever saw myself here, I would have said
absolutely not. I was on a completely different path. And
that got not just derailed, but kind of exploded. It
kind of became a It became a path that I
could no longer attain in any passion that would have
like been reasonable timing wise, okay, And so I had
to do something different, and I had by that point,
I had started camming. And so since I was already
camming after I was later doxed, and that was basically
at the point I'd been considering doing mainstream. But at
the point that that happened, I was just like, fuck it, everybody,
everybody already knows, the whole thing's already been exploded. Worst
has already passed. Let's do this, okay.
Speaker 1: Was and just no personal stuff, no names. I totally
get that too. Was that a personal doxing? Was that
from a fan? Was that? Like? How did that? How
did that come about? Again? No parton. You don't have
to give any personal inform me just in that aspect,
I wonder, I asked that because I wonder like, if
it was a fan that did that in some way,
does that did that maybe show away from it a
little bit, like a little bit like h or if
it was a personal thing, then maybe that pushes you
towards it, you know.
Speaker 2: The so the pushing towards it was just the fact
that it was already out there everyone, Like a lot
of people's biggest fear if their family, friends, community, anybody
that they knew before getting into porn didn't know or
doesn't know what they're doing, is then finding out and
coming to a head unexpectedly like a random person from
high school, like hitting up that kind of thing, or family,
extended family whatever. So in that aspect, because all of
that had already been taken care of for me, I
was like, Okay, let's do this. I don't have to
worry about any of that now hitting me at from
left field, And so that kind of pushed it towards
in some aspects. Yeah, the whole event of being dogs
did kind of make things difficult for a time. But
it was a person I knew, I knew who did it,
and so that made it a little easier in the
fact of at least you know, so it's not an
unknown out there. But it was also my fans that
kept me going, because if it weren't for the people
that I had in my room when that happened, and
the people that had stuck with me through everything up
and to that point and through that, I don't know
that I would have had the strength to actually make
that drump and keep going with what I was doing
and not just give up after that, because that's a
lot of mental and emotional stress to deal with when
your entire world implodes.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, can I ask you about the ebbs and
flows of this industry you came in You still are
a beautiful, young looking girl, red hair like you mark
a lot of the things where you know, I want
to get you on my website if I'm a producer.
How did that go when you finally started doing mainstream stuff?
Was it a bunch of offers at once? Did they
eventually kind of slow down a little bit? Or has
it been consistent through only because I you know, applying
it to camming as well when they really promote you
at the beginning there, I've heard girls go, you know,
you get five thousand people in your room or eight
thousand people in your room, and then a couple months
later you have fifteen, sixteen, twenty people. So in terms
of shooting mainstream stuff, and then I'd like to ask
about the same thing with the Chad as well, or
the the camming as well. What is the ebb and
flow of it? Did you get a big burst at
the beginning and did you did you did you think
like this is it? Because I've made it, I am good.
Speaker 2: So it's different for everybody. I'll start with that every
person's experience, especially when the story is completely different. I
also started that to say, I would say mine is
my kind of start and story to this industry has
never been the standard by any means A lot of
for me, I didn't and I still haven't done the
New Girls circuit, Like I didn't shot for all the companies.
Yet I had a really hard time actually finding an
agency that would take me at first, and there were
a few different reasons for that, one of them being
at the time my skin was still really bad from
being sick, and so I had to actually wait a
little bit longer than I had originally. When I originally
tried to get in the industry, just to get my
skin to clear up on my body and to just
be back at a healthier state visibly. And so with
that kind of they things a little. And by that
point COVID had ended all the all the girls were
starting to kind of that were coming in at that
time that I was also turning in. We're starting to
become bigger. There was a lot more only fans girls
starting to come in. So that was starting to make
things harder because now everything is shifted towards social media
and which is where they're really headed now. And so
I had trouble for kind of finding an agency at
first a willion to represent me, and then I've struggled
to have consistent representation or being presented to companies consistently,
and I don't know exactly what the reason for that is.
So the majority of the shoots that I have actually
done have been in some form self booked or from
them reaching out to me, or connections that I've made.
I'll get a shoot for another company because some producers like, hey,
you should shoot this person. And so it's been more
that side of things than like getting bookings through an agency.
Like I feel like a lot of the girls when
they start and then get with an agency, they're like, oh,
here's this shoot the shoot, the shoot, the shoot, and
like you kind of do the circuit and then it
slows down and it's Benny part of steady. The first
I would say consistently, probably until this last year, I
averaged at least one shoot a month, maybe not actually
one every month, maybe it'd be like three one month
and none of the next, but about one did you
shoots a month until this last year, and then it's
been kind of down for everybody this last year just
with all the adult verification stuff going on. It has
made the beginning half of the year really difficult for
the the websites to do shooting and deal with that
because that was a huge thing that everybody had to
stop what they were doing, deal with all the age
verification and then kind of get back to work. And
so shoots have been down a lot for everybody that
during that part of the year, and so that's been
more of a camming focus part for be Gotcha and
to lead into that out of the question. And with camming, yes,
you get depending on where you are, you get a
promo period that is either a week, a month, whatever
it is. You get a tag, you're put in the
new person spots, and you do typically get a lot
of followers during that time. Sometimes you keep that momentum
and you'll be consistently having that many people in your
room and getting that many followers. But a lot of
times what happens is when you lose that new tag,
you get put on the page with everybody else, and
you get put on that page with everybody else. Depending
on the way that the site does sorting, you could
get lost in the back pages because you aren't the
top number of followers, or the most active people in
the room, or the model that's preferred by whoever's running
side at the time. So it really depends on where
you end up. I was very fortunate for a long
time to end up on the side I started on.
I was on the main page a lot until I
had a issue during COVID where my idea expired and
I couldn't get it renewed, so they tried to shadow
ban me because you're no longer eighteen, because that's how
that works. That's how that works, And so I was
couldn't get house key because from Walmart because I couldn't
prove that I was eighteen because my i D was
expired by like three months.
Speaker 1: I thought I just had to get a new ID.
How fucking crazy is that that places won't accept it
when it's expired. It doesn't change my birth date? Like,
what are we doing here? What is this? I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: I think they take it the same as like a
fake ID. But during COVID there's nothing you could do
because you literally couldn't go to the DMV. Yeah, so
that made thing it's difficult there. Eventually after I didn't
realize this, but shortly after we had talked last time,
I had taken a break from camming for the most
part because of shoots. I didn't realize when I went
back to start camming like regularly regularly, I had been
off the sites for about a year and a half. Wow,
and so I had done a show here and there,
but I hadn't really been on in a year and
a half, which was crazy to think that it had
been that long already. But I went back to cammymore.
I switched. I've switched platforms now and on that platform
since I started, I have consistently been on the first page.
I consistently have people in my room. I haven't really
had the struggles that a lot of girls talk about,
where oh I haven't had anybody in my room. I've
made five dollars and four hours, and like, I've been
very fortunate to not have those struggles. And even my
slow days, for the most part, are I would still
consider decent. And so I do also contribute that a
lot to a couple of my fans that I have,
and they'll just come and they'll chat with me and
hang out with me and like keep it so people
are a little more willing to come in because if
I'm just sitting there staring at a wall, nobody wants
to just like, come look at a person that looks bored.
And so if you look like caram fun and you're interacting,
it makes a big difference. And I think that's kind
of a thing with all of it, is if you
are enjoying what you're doing, then the fans are going
to enjoy them more.
Speaker 1: Sure they can see your posts. Yeah yeah, you covered
a ton there, let me go back. Well no, no, no,
please please. I love it when performers talk, don't one
word me, do me that favor what you said there
about jumping back even further and then I want to
talk a lot about the cam stuff. But uh, what
you said about how everything's moving to followers and numbers
and this and that, I'm going to use the rating
system for women, and I'm sorry it's misogynistic, but I'm
going to do it. Do you think a woman who
is a ten in looks but has ten thousand followers
or a woman who is a six in looks and
has a million followers? The million what you're telling me
is that girl's going to get booked ten times out
of ten over the other one is that yeah, okay,
so it's just they're looking for you guys to do
the promotion side bummer.
Speaker 2: Unless I mean unless like the other person fits their
brand to a t. Sure, then they're gonna get picked over.
But nine times out of ten, it comes to follow down.
If you don't have a certain number of followers on
social media, you're gonna get passed over, especially if you're
trying to like book things yourself. There's people, there's even
performers that if you don't have certain number of followers,
they you can't collab because it's seen as kind of
a you're using, which I do get because it's a
you're using them to get up kind of situation, which
for certain people, that is definitely a risk that you
have to be aware of because you don't want to
collab with people who are really shitty at doing their job. Sure,
and then you end up with like bad content, but
they end up with good content simply because of the
name of the person in there that you're that they
worked with, and so like, you can't use it for
your brand, but they're gonna post it anyway, and then
it boosts them up and you're like, okay, I can't,
like I can see that being a problem. And so
a lot of times you try and like you want
to work your way up the ladder without trying to
jump to the top. So just going straight for like
I want to work with this person, this person, this person,
because they're at the very top, they're the biggest names
in the industry. It's like, let's you want to start
with people kind of on your level and people that
are a little higher and work your way up to
that point instead of just jumping in and hey, you
don't know me, I'm brand new, but I want to
work with you like that kind of I feel like
would come across as more like an over eager fan thing. Okay,
but that could also just be my perspective.
Speaker 1: Well, I so let me ask you, how much of
a work up was it until you were able to
work with a superstar like Lauren Phillips, Because I totally
believe you worked all the smaller sites and built it up.
But I went on Twitter one day and I go,
this girl I interviewed like a few years ago as
working with one of the biggest stars in the industry.
Right here, she must have done something to get there,
So what was that build up?
Speaker 2: Like? Actually, that was pure luck. That was one of
the craziest things because I'm talking more like content like
self booking stuff with other creators for your things. That
one I did kind of lucking to you because a
lot of times they there are studios that will book
new girls with experienced girls or experienced performers and it
doesn't really matter. In this case, when I worked with
Lauren for the first time, I was nervous as hell
because it was my I was getting to work with Lauren,
which was huge. It was my first scene for Girlfriend Films,
which was huge, and it was my first girl girls thing,
like ever, like actual girl girl thing that went any
further than just like touching her kissing, which was also huge.
So it was like a bunch of huge starts for
me that day and like it was definitely kind of
a overwhelming thing, but all in good ways. And so like,
I that was this start of kind of a cool
relationship with that company because my first two shoots that
I did for them were with two huge names, and
then it was like I worked with pretty well known
girls for I think every single one of my shoots
for that except for this Aucewood was another newer girl,
but she's still well known and she's a redhead, so
we have fun so like and it's one of those
that just I don't know. It was kind of crazy
and it was cool because I got to work with
Borning in last year in a scene that's actually nominated,
actually had a nomination this year for Exabans, and so
that was really cool to like after a couple of
years kind of come back around to that and be like,
I'm getting to work with her again in another scene,
and it was super cool to like be able to
reconnect with that.
Speaker 1: You you didn't get put on her no list. That's
a nice thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Right as a new person, I was like I was
new to everything, new to that type of new to
the girl girl scene. I was like, new to the
industry is still and I'm like, I don't know what
I'm doing. Like I'm going to follow. I'm gonna let
you lead, Like, please give me direction, help me out here.
I want to learn and like make this scene good.
And she was very open to that and like willing
to work with me and like kind of explain how
it worked and all that. And so it's super cool
that my first experience there was with a big name
star and like give me that kind of head start
jump in, and it wasn't just somebody else. It's like
I don't know what I'm doing either, we're gonna wing it.
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to weave back and forth
between your your camming and the mainstream content. So going
back to the camming, do you have any advice for
a new performer that's coming on to one of the camsites?
What can they do during that promo period? What is
like the best thing that you've either seen either it
worked for you or maybe it didn't work for you
and you go, oh, maybe I should have done this.
Is it going hard right off the bat, like big
sexy shows to get a lot of followers? Is it
teasing right off the bat? Like? What do you think
if I were to come to you as a beautiful
younger woman and say, hey, I want to start camming.
I know I'm going to get this promo time. What
do I do in the first two weeks of my show?
Speaker 2: So those actually kind of a thing, The like I knew,
what do I like? What tips would you have? Was
the thing that I actually got quite a bit shortly
after I started. I would say the two bigsins would
be being on as much as possible during that promo time,
especially if it is a site that only has a
week long promo. Being aware of when your promo time
starts is also huge because some sites the second year
prove your time starts. Other sites, your first stream is
when your promo times starts, So you could be approved
and then not stream for two weeks and then that's
when it starts, not when you were approved two weeks before.
So being aware of that and when it does start,
making sure you're on either at least as many days
of that time as possible, if not as much time
as possible, to make the best use of that as
far as shows go, I would say I had a
little bit of an advantage because I didn't jump in
without knowing what I was kind of getting into. I'd
done my research a bit, so I would say, if
you have a better idea what you're doing, try it.
The thing that didn't work on you is that I'm
not very good at hiding the fact that I knew
some of the secrets as far as like what the
people are going to try and do in the room,
and so I was prepared for that, so trying kind
of play new girl a little better than I did.
If you have an idea what you're getting into, and
don't just like jump into having everything set up, don't
like make it seem like it's an experienced person room
that has just rebranded as a new name, because that
can be a negative. But also having starting out kind
of small, not doing like big crazy shows at first,
not having like expecting super high tip prices, kind of
just going seeing how it feels the first week. Just
being there mostly, I think is a big thing and
kind of seeing where it goes, what you feel like doing.
Don't expect that you have to do things right off
the bat, and I feel like a lot of new
pmras I think that they have to because that's what
everybody's asking for sure, And it's your room. You're in
complete control. Ask for something. If it's not for a
on out that you're willing to do it for, or
theaters being obnoxious, just put your foot down at your room.
If you need to kick them, kick them out, tell
them no, I'm not interested right now. I'm still trying
to figure this out how this works. And do it
at your pace, on your timeline, with your comfort level.
Don't get pushed in anything.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? What is your room? What is the vibe the
feel of your room right now? Is it a discussion?
Are you talking with people? Are you answering questions? Are
you playing games? Like if I head on over which,
by the way, folks, links will be in the episode
description just to remind you who I'm talking to. It's
Ellie Murphy. You know exactly where you can find her
at Ellie Murphy E L L I E. Murphy. Sorry,
I apologize for the plug. What is your what is
your ice? Head on over to your room? I click
it in the episode description and you're there. You're live.
What type of vibe are you putting out or experience?
Speaker 2: Pretty much the same as it has always been. I
depending on what side I'm on. If I'm on a
site where I have apps where I can run games, I
will run games or have my mods run the games
and the goals. Sometimes I don't run goals. I'll just
run games because I do take privates now and I
didn't previously. The other site is it's a premium site,
so it's all privates, or like group shows, you can
tip four certain things in like just the chat area.
It's always been conversation. If you come in and you
just sit and you lurk and you're a registered user,
especially if it's a name I recognize, I will call
you out and say hi because I want you to
come talk. I'm not doing it to be mean. I
do it because I want the interaction. If you come
in my room and you recognize me, that's probably like
still I get that like super giddy, stupid new girl
like excitement over it. When people come into my cameroom
and are like, oh my gosh, I know you from this.
I absolutely love your work, and especial if it's one
of the ones that I like shot a bunch for
and like, I still get really excited when people do
that because it still doesn't it doesn't happen all the time,
but when it does, if they're just like, oh my gosh,
I love your work, I do make I'm like, Okay,
well what do you know me from? Like do you
just know me from like the clips on like the
hub and whatnot, or like do you actually know my
know me from a site? And so I'm always curious
where they know me from. Do they know me from
this or that? Or is it someoney who's come over
from a different site. And so if you come in
my room and you know me, absolutely feel free to say, hey,
I love your work, or I know you from this
or or I got your link from this, and let
me know because I love to find out where people
have heard about me and that I very much appreciate
my fans. I've always had a deep love for the
appreciation you guys have for us in the support. It
means a whole lot more to us, I think then
a lot of people realize and getting to have that
connection in my room is always super fun. If you don't,
I understand not everybody has money to spend. So I'm
totally willing to have people come in, chat, hang out,
feel free. Just don't demand and just if I get
pulled into shows, I will come back. Usually unless there's
an issue with something or I'm gone forever, but I
come back. I hang out, People come back in the room,
we start chatting again, having fun. It's super chilled, down
to earth and everyone says, I love how how really
you are, how down to earth you are, and just
how like chillier room is. That's where they get the
most because that I am still the all American girl
next door vibes across everything. That's never going to change.
I may have a few crazy brain days where we're
kind of squirreling all over the place, but we've reeled
those in a little bit more.
Speaker 1: You said something there that was exciting. I love. It's
that half a second I get of excitement when you
go on a camsite and you see a name, like
a name you have seen before, or a face and
you're like, that's a porn That's not just some pretty
girl from Portland who's camming over there. That is a
name so I can't imagine the excitement of anyone who
really now, I can't imagine it. I just explained why
I can imagine it. I'm stupid, but I can imagine
that excitement of like, oh my god, it's Ellie Murphy.
I've watched her scenes before, I've done whatever and jumping in.
But then it's nice to hear that you keep them engaged,
because you are becoming a big enough name where you
could probably sit there topless on your phone and still
collect some tips if you want it to. But that's
not you. You, like you said, you appreciate the fans,
You appreciate the community, and I think that's awesome to
see from the outside. I think it's very very cool,
and I can very much respect and appreciate that.
Speaker 2: And when Dady's come out, keyboards get law.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point, all right. I have a couple
about some shoots you did, a couple questions and a
couple interests in it, up to the point I'm about
to reference you mostly shot. I don't I don't mean
this in a negative way at all because it's relative
to what I'm gonna point out, but you mostly shot,
like tame content boy, girl or girl you know anything
like that. What got in your head when you decided
you wanted to shoot with the Asiani sites, the Gang Bang,
Cream Pie, Glory Whole Secrets and Cream Pile oled I
believe all appropriately named by the way, Uh what what
was was that? Like rent is due? Or were you
like I need to expand my horizons and try something new?
Speaker 2: None of the above. Actually, when the opportunity was presented me, first,
I was not gonna lie slightly terrified because my first
shoot for Game CREAMPI was my third shoot in the industry.
That was the third shoot my agency presented to me.
So part of me was like, oh my god, if
I don't do this, are they not going to get
me work? Like are they trying to see like how
serious I am? And at the same time, I was like,
I don't know if I can actually go do this
because that's a lot of things to pay attention to
and I'd only ever been with like one person at
a time before that shoot, so like it was a lot.
But thankfully they If it had been another side, I
don't know if I would have been able would have
accepted the shoot simply because I know the way that
they shoot things is much more relaxed and it's all
centered on the girl having a good time, and so
that's what the guys are most focused on, and so
that was a comfort knowing that ahead of time and
their talent. Liaison is a phenomenal person and she's a
lot I learned so many things from her during that
for shoot, like tips and tricks that I've used since then,
and I've asked her. She's like, if you have any questions,
just ask, because like she was surprised that it was
my third shoot and I was still trying to figure
out what I'm doing with paperwork and what I'm doing
with wardrobe and what I need to do for this
that or the other, and I'm like, I don't know
what I'm doing. I've not really done this for very long,
and so explaining everything to me was super helpful, and
like it was definitely one of those Okay, we're jumping
in the deep bend here, but it's gonna be okay.
And I've met a few of the people before, so
I knew I was okay.
Speaker 1: If we were doing a body count prior just industry
wise body counts. So you went one and then two
up to what seven something like that after your third shoot?
Speaker 2: Oh, so it would have been one two, bob.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think there's four of the first's therefore, okay,
all right, so it the four or five?
Speaker 2: I can't remember. There might have been five to first time.
I mean once you had four guys, one shoot was
five guys, and I don't remember which you switch right now?
Speaker 1: I heard that wrong For a second. I thought you
were saying, once you've had four guys, you have five guys?
Nothing really changes? Does anything change when you go from
four guys to five guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah? One person gets left out? Okay, you only have
two hands in. I mean you've only got four places. Well,
unless you do anyal you've only got four places to
what things. So somebody's got to be kind of standing
out on the sideline that there's if there's five, because
you can only rotate so much.
Speaker 1: But I actually.
Speaker 2: Not a lot.
Speaker 1: I see. I've asked that question before and the answer
I've gotten. How many people make a gang bang? And
you've done it now? So you would officially say four
what qualified male performers? I apologize? What would you say
per female? How many guys to qualify as a gang bang?
Speaker 2: I would say three could count two because it's I mean,
I guess it depends on whether you qualify anything over
one as like ganging up. But I feel like two
is still like three since its own thing. Sure, so
once it's like three on one or more, I would
say that would that would qualify at least in some form.
I definitely four and up. You're you're very much on
your own tag teamed and you're kind of a lot
to figure out on.
Speaker 1: Your own, totally fair. Uh, how do you decompress from
a scene like that? Like what do you do? You
just have to like sit on a bag of peas?
Or like, like, how do you frozen piece? Obviously not
cooked ones? You may cook them, I don't know, But
how do you how do you come down from a
scene like that? Or are you jacked at the end
of it? Are you excited and like ready to go
for more?
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like a warm bath would be
a little more depressing the bag of frozen piece, But
it depends on the scene. I was very much just
like I need to sit down because I was very
much out of breath. My legs were shaking, and I'm
just like I need a moment. But I was also
like super pumped because I was like, I was excited that.
I mean, it's through. I did the scene. It's a
huge thing. That's what a lot of people nine times
out of ten until like recently now it's like seven
times out of ten when people come in and say
they know me from something or they've seen my work,
that's what they've seen my gangings. Sure, the first one
or the second one, that's what they know me from.
And I'm kind of surprised I haven't done a lot
more are content because of that, because I know the
color contrast is a huge thing. I have several fans
that are really from that side, that fandom area, and
like they're always trying to push me to more. And
I actually one that wants me to shoot for Vixen
and Black, like a lot of people have mentioned that
they want me to do, and he actually went and
signed up for their website just so that he could
recommend me. And I think he may have been the
one that actually pushed it over the edge to finally
get into contact that hey, we want to set up
a ghostie And so it's it's a big deal to
have fans that are like, hey, this is what like,
And actually we went a false through and like, hey, company,
I want I want to see you shoot this person.
Because you can come to me and say it, I
can't do anything about it ninety percent of the time. Guys,
I know you don't realize that, but just telling us
doesn't do anything. We aren't the ones that are like
we can go to the company be like hey, I'd
love to shoot for you, but we can't be like
I want to shoot for you with this person for
this type of scene, Like the company has to present
that to us and a lot of fans don't necessarily
get that part. And so like that was super cool
when he's like, hey, I recommend to you and I
got an email back said they got it. So it
was like super exciting, and so the whole thing like
it's exciting and super excited after, but also the same time,
my body's like for me, it's like I'm tired, I'm
going to sit.
Speaker 1: So you may not see yourself as like, you know,
ten years from Ellie Murphy Ultimate gang Bang Girl, you'd
just be a girl with a few great gang bang
scenes on your resume.
Speaker 2: Probably I don't that's not like my my favorite forte
if I had to pot like a category. But I'm
not opposed to doing them. I just prefer I guess
it depends on the style of the shoot. The like
rougher gang bangs are not so much my thing or
my interest as like the more let's all have fun
and like we're all enjoying it, and it's more of
like higher energy, just fun, interactive atmosphere. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah it does. No, No, it totally does. I use
them as my reference point when I always talk about
there are three tiers to me of porn, and it's
not about it's not about whether or not it's good
porn or whatever. It's more about quality. So for me,
the top is your biggest name things with your vixens
and whatever else, with a beautiful you know, background and
uh fucking whatever. I don't know, I forget what they're going.
Cinematics stuff, Yeah, beautiful cinematography shots and yeah, cinematic stuff.
Then you have the bottom tier, which is like you
watch a guy fuck his girlfriend and you go, I
don't think you have the rights to Metallica and that
shouldn't be playing in the background, but I can still
enjoy this here. Then you have like the middle tier.
And I always use those sites as like the middle tier.
You're asiani And again, it's not that they're not high quality.
They're great quality.
Speaker 2: They're a lot better than they were.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, sure, but they they it's it's they don't
they don't do the cinematic thing as much. Still beautiful cameras, quality,
all of that shit. But I love that it's we're
just getting right into it. We're going to talk to
the performer and then we're going to jump right into it.
And you're right. Everyone I see on those sites always
seems like they're having a good time. There's never a
second of like, ugh this, I'm doing this just because
I'm doing this. So yeah, it's good to hear that
they're nice behind the scenes as well, because you hear
horror stories sometimes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there definitely can be, especially some a couple
of the sites.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well, I'm gonna mention it. Go ahead, sorry,
go ahead with.
Speaker 2: The content goal. I think it's funny though, because like
if you look even just back like in twenty twenty,
if you look at the content that a lot of
people were printing out because most of it had to
be home shot, because of COVID, the quality of content
the creators and otherwise has like exponentially increased as far
camera quality, because everyone's realizing, oh, either we need to
shoot on we're gonna shoot on cameras has to be
like the newest camera with the phone with the highest
quality camera, or we need to use actual cameras to
shoot and so like, just the content quality in that
aspect has exponentially increased since like I started, And it's
really funny to look back, even if some of my
stuff back then and I'm like, no, I didn't quite
do that right, But I had a lot of tech
issues at the start.
Speaker 1: As much as I hate zoom, I've learned how to
use it more because I had so much time doing
whatever to make the quality look better. And then I'll
upscale it later and this and that. If you go
back to some of the original podcasts, it's like one
audio feed and I tried to level it as best
as I can, and you're just like, oh fuck, they
just don't even don't even listen to that. So I
get it, and it is a good thing. Is it
positive for the end? You know? We always say how
OnlyFans has been so positive for performers by the way
at Ellie Murphy In case you're wondering, is it negative
in any way in the sense that if you can't
get your own personal brand stuff going, is it gonna limit?
Like if I was a performer and I'm a good
looking girl, I don't necessarily love the social media thing.
I'm not great at it. I try. Could it hurt
me if I go? I only want to be an
OnlyFans performer. I don't want to get my name out
anywhere other than the only fans community. Or do you
think it's big enough where that could sustain a career
At this point.
Speaker 2: There are definitely people who do strictly only fans and
make quite a bit from it. If you are trying
to do more than just OnlyFans and you are not
good at the social media aspect, or you also are
not good at the consistency of posting content thing, then
it's going to be a struggle. Because that's that's been
my biggest thing with all the content stuff, is trying
to juggle Camving life and content. I may have content
posts and then like something happens and then I'm like,
I haven't posted for a month. Oops, Like the consistency
for me has been the struggle there, and so like,
if that's your sole focus is like one website, that's
where all your work is going, that's where all your
energy is going, then yeah, absolutely it can be a career.
It sustainer if you can get it going, you have
the right branding and you're right type of content. Absolutely,
if you're trying to put things in too many baskets,
it can be a struggle on every platform.
Speaker 1: I want to do a thing on here that I
call stat check, So I use the Internet Adult Film Database,
which is totally off and wrong. It's going to give
you numbers that don't include this and that and whatever else.
But I feel like it's a nice benchmark so that
a year from now, when you come on and you're like,
so I have all these AVAN awards now and I'm
a super we can be like, oh my god, Ellie,
remember back in the day when you blah blah blah
blah blah. The amount of scenes you've worked with, according
to the Internet Adult Film Database is forty two scenes.
The amount of male performers you've worked with eighteen. Female
performers you've worked with fifteen. No tell me if I'm
wrong on this. No direct nominations for av and awards, right.
Speaker 2: I would say I could check those dads.
Speaker 1: In and see. One time I was interviewing a female performer, uh,
Wendy Rain, and I gave those numbers, and I told her,
I go, those numbers are totally wrong. Don't sweat it.
Don't sweat it. They're wrong. We're just going to use
it as a metric. And she goes, I can pull
them up right here, and she had her spreadsheet and
she went through each guy she's worked with, each scene.
How yeah, mine's on paper. You don't. You don't have to.
I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2: But it was like, actually I could because I have
my notebook over there that I i'd write everything down,
and I would say, I know that's not entirely accurate,
because I know there's scenes that haven't been released, so
there's and there's I think six of those on IFD
are all from the same shoot. I think there's like
six of them from the Gang Bang shoots because if
there's compilations and things in there, so there are a
couple repeats, but it's probably pretty close. I know they
have I haven't checked recently to see what the last
scene that they had posted was. But that's probably pretty accurate.
It's a little bit higher on I know female count
is higher, and like I said, depending on what the
last scene was, male counts probably pretty close.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Sure, so I have but not too bad and the Yeah,
a lot of us do keep our own stats or
records at least of like what shoots we've done, just
for our own fun. I don't have any direct like
per former like specific nominations and aspect like performer categories
you perform the or anything like that. Sure, I do
have a I have a scene that got an xim
A nomination with Lauren Phillips and Sophia Locke and Ryan Key.
We got a nomination for an XMA Award for that one.
And then I have a no, I'm in a nomination
for the Age the All Girl. What was it? It's
like older younger category best Video for girlfriend films, and
so that that scene up we did got nominated for
that category. So I'm still pretty excited a thought, because
it's still my first nominations for both and so the
fact that I've missed it so close last year, I
was like on one of the girlfriend Films. When we
were the it was the second scene that got nominated,
and we were the first from that series, so like
we were close and then as you regot one. So
it's pretty exciting just to like hit that level of saying, hey,
I've been part of something that's been nominated that I
mean to me, that's enough. Even if I never get
a solo about nomination, that's enough for me to be like, hey,
I've been a part of this. Sure, And there's several
companies that I've worked really closely with and I'm like,
you've been nominated. I feel proud because I've been a
part of that too, And so like it's an exciting
thing for me to just see, like, hey, my friends
have been nominated. I've been part of that thing that's
been nominated. And I don't care if I get a
specific nomination or not. I know some people that's a
huge thing, but I'm like I've been a part of it,
so that the counts.
Speaker 1: The recognition is nice, right, that work you did, people
are recognizing it as a good thing. Like I have
a nomination. I have no illusions I'm gonna beat Plug
Talk or any of the other big name podcasts but
it feels good that I had at least one fan
out there who went, hey, this guy, Hey that, So
you have people out there who went y. Lauren Phillips
is great in this Elly Murphy though, really nailed it.
I love this scene, you know, however, it went yeah,
last question, because we're running out of time here. Unfortunately,
I could talk to you all day. But last question.
And this is an odd one, and I just use
it as a measuring stick. I make no judgment on
it whatsoever. I find it interesting to hear performers who
work in the industry and their input on this. What
should the and the responses have totally surprised me. That's
why I ask it, now, what is the age that
performers should be able to get into the industry?
Speaker 2: I agree with what I feel like the consensus is
going towards now is kind of what I've always thought is. Honestly,
I think that the age to join the industry should
be twenty one, partially for the performer's sake, because there
are a lot of industry parties and things that happen,
and attending those without being able to drink can be
a challenge. Some people for not getting themselves in trouble.
And also just because when you're fresh out of high school,
ninety nine percent of people have been living in their
parents' house. They've not been out on their own how
to take care of themselves, how to place with their
own yet, and that even just too even just a
year or two of experience on your own taking care
of yourself where you have to be able to be
an adult at least somewhat, is I think needed before
getting into the industry, because there's so much you don't
know and so much that you don't realize you don't
know at eighteen, as far as like life and like, oh, hey,
I'm going to have bills, I'm going to have things.
I have to make sure that I'm doing. I have
to be able to get myself to scenes, I have
to be able to make sure I'm tested, I have
to do all this, that and the other. And so
having that couple of years to kind of figure out
how to be able to adult, how to be yourself,
and who you really are becoming, I think is extremely
important when getting into the end of Street because I've
heard from a lot of girls started at eighteen they
wish they hadn't started at eighteen they had waited.
Speaker 1: And that's what I've heard too. And then, but now
let me throw the Devil's advocate anecdotal everything. You know,
girl gets kicked out of her house at sixteen, lives
on the streets for a couple of years till she
gets to eighteen. She wants to do sex work, she
wants to engage in this. That's the thing you'll hear.
You'll also hear something like, well, I know, and I've
said this. I've met eighteen year olds who are a
thousand times mature than me or some forty year olds
i've interviewed, So putting an age on things is tough.
We thought a nice consent because I agree with you
twenty one. And from performers who started at eighteen like
you just said, who I've interviewed, they all go twenty one.
What if you just did from eighteen to twenty one?
Since and again, I always use this stupid example too.
If you can go fight in a war at eighteen,
I don't know why you can't have sex at eighteen,
but I get it.
Speaker 2: What is it at eighteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the one. The parties is a
great reference. I'd never heard before. No one's ever brought
that up, So that really nailed it for me even more.
What about from eighteen to twenty one, you can do
INDI you could do solo content on your own OnlyFans
or whoever else will allow you to upload only solo content.
You can't do any boy girl stuff. Three years of
learning the industry, learning social media stuff like that, then
at twenty one, okay, you're good to go. You can
start shooting for major companies or whatever else. You can't
shoot for anyone except for yourself from eighteen to twenty one.
That's kind of like a compromise we worked on.
Speaker 2: There's been I've been part We've had discussions of something
similar to that, not quite so restrictive, but something similar.
We're like the girls that are eighteen to twenty one,
or whether you're just coming in, if you're not necessarily
have an idea of how to be on your own
or doing your own thing. If you are coming in
eighteen to twenty one, say we'll focus on that, having
it be where those girls that need a little more
guidance will have like, okay, that's where you'll have like
a model you maybe have a model house where you
have an agency specifically focused on those girls and helping
them learn how to do things, not focused on anything
like exploring them to do as many shoots as possible.
But okay, these are the pitfalls. These are the things
you need to know. This is what you need to
be aware of and think of before you extra start. Okay,
now that we've gone over to this whole thing, we've
done some solo stuff, maybe do some stuff with some
other new models that are coming in. They're all right
in the same category that goes on a pay site
only doesn't get posted to social media. So if you
do decide okay, maybe this isn't for me, you still
haven't easy enough out that you haven't now you cause
second you do a big studio, you now have pourn
out there forever and you can't get that taken down.
If it's on a paceset you control, you can remove
that a lot easier and kind of giving them that Okay,
here's a taste of what it's going to be like.
Are you still wanting to do this? Okay, let's go
a little bit bigger and then okay, now that now
you can really jump in, Now that you can attend
all the events. You can attend all the events and
do all the extra activities, you can be with all
the big performers because you know how to handle it
now and it's not going to overwhelm you. Because there's
a lot of models too who will get a bunch
of shoots and then all of a sudden they have
all this money and they blow it and then they
can't pay rent because they went and bought a new
car and have a seven thousand dollars car payment or
something like. It's it's one of those that I think
he needs to be focused on more taking care of
the younger models that don't know what they're doing or
have guidance outside of like the agency or people representing them.
Then necessarily an age specific thing other than the events aspect.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, you got to go to Pornstar Academy. That's what
it sounds like, learn how to do it.
Speaker 2: Similar. Yeah, there's people have tried to make series and
things on it, and it's like the real aspect of
it isn't not as exciting as you see in the
scenes and stuff. It's like you're you'd be going to
school for like a week to learn all the the
basics you don't want to learn how to but you
have to know for taxes and your W two not
being W two you're ten ninety nine, and how all
that works and what all that means, and the things
that really they don't teach us that they should teach us,
you know, and how to self be aware and like
defend you, like stand up for yourself if you need
you that you can because they don't push that either,
the fact that you can stand up for yourself if
something happens and you don't like say something, stop it
before it happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I teaching girls boundaries and all kinds of stuff
like that, like you know, and that your boundaries are acceptable. Yes,
all right, Ellie Murphy my guest for the evening. I
again will say this once again, I have no impact
on your career whatsoever, but I am so proud seeing
you stay with this and grow and understand the industry.
And I am going to recommend people go exactly where
you think you should go and check out Ellie Murphy
at Ellie Murphy on social media. I believe it's the
Ellie Murphy. I'll plug that one right, yes, yeah, okay,
also on.
Speaker 2: One of the sites. And then I would site also
will have all things so for sure.
Speaker 1: Ellie Murphy, thank you so much for coming on with
me tonight and congratulations on your blossoming career.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having MED