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<v Speaker 1>New edition.

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<v Speaker 2>Since Elmer has been with his girlfriend Diane for three months,

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<v Speaker 2>what of parents will they be? Go, Elmer, how many

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<v Speaker 2>kids have you talked about having together?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>My god?

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<v Speaker 5>If he has an answer to this though, Elmer and

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<v Speaker 5>I are like, we should be brothers. Yeah, if he

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<v Speaker 5>genuinely three months in knows how many kids the two

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<v Speaker 5>of them would like to have.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Elmer, Florias yours? Has it come up yet?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh no, But we have talked about, like what kids

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<v Speaker 6>would look like if you know what I mean, mixed

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<v Speaker 6>race couple.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, well, that's the same thing. That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Three months in race couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids are always the cutest.

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<v Speaker 3>Quantity you haven't talked about.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean you talked about quality quantity, and I think

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<v Speaker 7>that's that's the Actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we talking two or five?

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<v Speaker 3>You think, how many would you, like, Elmer if you

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<v Speaker 3>had your brothers?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it depends how much money are making.

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<v Speaker 1>Good point.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a smart They're not that expensive early on. They

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<v Speaker 5>get expensive when they're like teenagers.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's see maybe two, maybe adopt one?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so you go three?

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<v Speaker 5>Or one of those two would be about I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe like one and done. This seems to be a

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<v Speaker 5>growing trend in younger folks. With all due respect him, right,

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<v Speaker 5>you're obviously yeah, adoption, the adoption thing, like people like

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<v Speaker 5>they grow up saying that they want to have maybe

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<v Speaker 5>one of their own, but they definitely want to adopt

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<v Speaker 5>another one.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that because why is that? Elmer? Why would you

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<v Speaker 1>like to adopt one?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, It's just been like since I was

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<v Speaker 6>a kid, I've always been like, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>kids out there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't that.

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<v Speaker 5>But the reason why I think this is interesting is

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<v Speaker 5>this is like almost like a cultural hive mind thing

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<v Speaker 5>that is within a generation. And I mean, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 5>an economists could dig into what is the psychological inspiration

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<v Speaker 5>behind it. But yeah, I hear it constantly from people

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<v Speaker 5>who don't have kids yet that there are more and

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<v Speaker 5>more people are.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking about adopting.

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<v Speaker 5>It's interesting where it used to be like a joke

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<v Speaker 5>when we were kids, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 5>like that was supposed to be a negative thing, but

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<v Speaker 5>now people are like, no, this is what everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Should be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're wondering why Gary's face looks like that, it's

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<v Speaker 2>because he is a pure bred family. He doesn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>in any sort of crossing of any.

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<v Speaker 5>Lines at Gary, why would you bring this up at

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<v Speaker 5>this time?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, if we're going to talk about dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>I see what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just saying, yes, I don't have any.

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<v Speaker 3>That one must have really landed. Good job. We were

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<v Speaker 3>all here.

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<v Speaker 1>To see the downfall of this.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 7>I was going to say I have adopted people in

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<v Speaker 7>my family. I mean, my brother in law was adopted.

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<v Speaker 7>But wait, doesn't count. And I'm trying to think of.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay, that's all right.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's humans.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we should be more communal and this should

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<v Speaker 6>be like more talking.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we should take care of like the kids that

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<v Speaker 4>don't have like parents.

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<v Speaker 6>That's very nice, protect each other and like, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 6>cool to have your own kids. But imagine if everyone

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<v Speaker 6>one just like adopted and like to just be like

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<v Speaker 6>less sad kids in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, as an adopted person, I would rather have

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<v Speaker 3>my own than adopt me.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, don't I don't want that surprise box as an

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<v Speaker 2>adopted kid, I wouldn't want me. I wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>open that up and be like, oh great, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>this for most of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the.

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<v Speaker 5>Things that I brought in to talk about I think

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<v Speaker 5>kind of addresses this thing. I'm not trying to shorn

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<v Speaker 5>this in at all. I'm sorry if I'm ruining him

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<v Speaker 5>per segment, but no, it's that the idea that I

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<v Speaker 5>found this article that they did another study that basically

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<v Speaker 5>corroborated with this new belief that more of what people

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<v Speaker 5>are is genetic than it is there's more nature than

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<v Speaker 5>there is nurture. That and it's not trying to discount

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<v Speaker 5>a nurture situation at all, where your environment and all

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<v Speaker 5>that stuff does have an impact on you, but kind

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<v Speaker 5>of there's this concept that's growing that there's at your core,

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<v Speaker 5>your genetics decide who you are and what's going to

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<v Speaker 5>happen to you. I don't believe that, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I know both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>I know my parents, and I know my biological mother,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am just like my mother my mother. I've

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<v Speaker 2>met my biological mother. I have a lot of similarities

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<v Speaker 2>with her, but she seems much more normal.

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<v Speaker 5>So even like personality and things like that, because I

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<v Speaker 5>think there's a tendency to be like I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I am very much into the I've learned, at least

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<v Speaker 2>from the small sample of information I have for my

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<v Speaker 2>own situation, that it's much more nurture over nature.

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<v Speaker 3>Fascinating. Well, I guess we're done. Then I guess yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's I mean, it's it's gonna be different.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like there's a study for everything to say.

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<v Speaker 8>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It can all you know, come on, well and you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>This goes to what you say. I'm easily persuaded that there's.

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<v Speaker 1>A study for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Your kids are younger than my kids. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>have a better.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm closer to a conclusion than you would be because

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<v Speaker 7>I have a better idea of what their adult personality.

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<v Speaker 3>We're like sixty eight years ahead of.

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<v Speaker 5>Me, I think, if I remember it correct, sixty eight

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<v Speaker 5>years six six eight years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought you're making a Shannon now old I am.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got him on the ropes from your earlier Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you're that dog.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good right now, he's laughing inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Somewhere somebody face.

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<v Speaker 7>But the idea that the genetics, I mean, we raised

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<v Speaker 7>our kids in the same house at the same time,

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<v Speaker 7>like they were there, they're not that far apart. In

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<v Speaker 7>age two years, two two and a half years. So

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<v Speaker 7>the idea that they can come out and be very

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<v Speaker 7>different people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my brother and I are very different, both adopted,

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<v Speaker 2>separate adoptive fam separate families, you know, and we are

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<v Speaker 2>very different like your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>My brother and I are kids, are.

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<v Speaker 3>Two different people in my po exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>There's but again, to me, there's the core of who

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<v Speaker 5>they are, right. They still they're very different, and they're

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<v Speaker 5>better people than I am. But at the core they

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<v Speaker 5>still have my softness, my sappiness.

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<v Speaker 2>There's innate's stuff in your personality that is genetics.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but then.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the stuff that shapes who you are, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that stuff is more prominent than the innate stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And my brother is really good.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to fixing cars, just like his biological

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<v Speaker 2>family was.

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<v Speaker 1>On both sides. My family can't fix a car.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad couldn't fix anything, but he has that innate gift.

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<v Speaker 2>But his entire personality is the family personality like you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, as well it should be.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, there also could be argued that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>our brains are kind of wired to find these connections

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<v Speaker 5>and to solve the things that don't make sense, and

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<v Speaker 5>so we're going to see things the way that we

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<v Speaker 7>See that totally. And then how much how much would

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<v Speaker 7>your genetics? Are your genetics malleable? Can can they change

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<v Speaker 7>from generation to generation? Where As you know, Shannon's brother's

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<v Speaker 7>great at fixing cars but has a very unique personality.

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<v Speaker 7>Does his kid do his kids do they have his

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<v Speaker 7>personality because his genes changed? I mean, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 7>that'd be much more of a different scientific question. Interesting

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<v Speaker 7>if I think, if I think I was going to

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<v Speaker 7>try to oversimplify what this study was saying, is that

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's like they're trying to argue that it's

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<v Speaker 7>a sixty forty split and that your environment has maybe

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<v Speaker 7>a forty percent or less influence on who you are

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<v Speaker 7>at your core being. Like I would almost argue that

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<v Speaker 7>if you had not had a positive experience with your

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<v Speaker 7>adopted family, that you would probably have a differing perspective

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<v Speaker 7>as well, Like you would probably look at it and

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<v Speaker 7>not want to see the similarities.

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<v Speaker 1>You're assuming I had a positive experience.

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<v Speaker 8>Well based, Okay, she is very good at this rock

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<v Speaker 8>will continue justin because I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I do see how it hurts hurts.

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<v Speaker 4>A break.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna take a gene an emotional neroic.

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<v Speaker 5>He was like, he got in this oyster knife was like,

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<v Speaker 5>let me see your I do think it was better

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<v Speaker 5>that you were able to get some of it out.

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<v Speaker 7>I agree, yeah, Gary and Shannon kf I live everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm freaking justin right now, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not bad. I mean, you get premature gray, but

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<v Speaker 3>in that life.

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<v Speaker 4>Is pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>But you stood up. There's a you were very physical.

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<v Speaker 1>You're very like, okay, well, let's not talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>He just goes into himself like shoulders cry over.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I crumpled a piece of paper.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not that bad. I mean depends what's the backstory

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<v Speaker 5>of the pride?

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<v Speaker 3>What's the paper? Where's what's the journey?

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<v Speaker 1>What's its journey?

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<v Speaker 7>We humans are very closely related to to chimpanzees and

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<v Speaker 7>apes and.

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<v Speaker 3>Large large apes yep.

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<v Speaker 7>And there's a study that suggests that as different as

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<v Speaker 7>our parenting styles can be among humans, there are different

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<v Speaker 7>parenting styles among the great apes.

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<v Speaker 5>So they decided to look at sumatran orangutangs because Iratans

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<v Speaker 5>the Sumatra ones are definitely the top notch and because

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<v Speaker 5>of any mammal, let me get non human animal, they

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<v Speaker 5>care for their children longer than anybody else and it's

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<v Speaker 5>six to nine years. So it's still like I think

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<v Speaker 5>I was going to say half, but probably a quarter

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<v Speaker 5>for our kids nowadays, depending on what you evolved. And

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<v Speaker 5>so they were looking at and what they found was

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<v Speaker 5>that there was there was consistent differences between the different

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<v Speaker 5>mothers that they like observed over six thousand hours of

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<v Speaker 5>orangutan's mothering their young and anyway, they also found that

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<v Speaker 5>what made them feel like this was something that was

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<v Speaker 5>a personality trait of the mom was that it would

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<v Speaker 5>be consistent through multiple children, like they had their way

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<v Speaker 5>of doing it, and there was like variations between how

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<v Speaker 5>help them with food, and how long they wanted them

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<v Speaker 5>to be close to them as they got older. So

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<v Speaker 5>there's various points within their development that a mom would

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<v Speaker 7>Well, and let me ask if there's a connection here.

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<v Speaker 7>Because we just talked about the idea that genetics shape personality.

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<v Speaker 7>The genetics are the things that will control these things.

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<v Speaker 7>So is this a suggestion perhaps or do you conclude

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<v Speaker 7>from that, Yeah, genetics will determine what kind of a

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<v Speaker 5>I think so, I think depending on what you believe,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think if you're more leaning science than

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<v Speaker 5>how parenting evolves, like and people evolve that right now.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, there's a strong movement evolutionarily for parenting to

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<v Speaker 5>be like very involved in what your kids are doing

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<v Speaker 5>well into adulthood. And I think that probably much like

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<v Speaker 5>we talk a lot about homework, how it swings on

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<v Speaker 5>a pendulum, like they go from no now we get

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<v Speaker 5>get caught up on homework.

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<v Speaker 1>Of how you guys parent and your wife's parent.

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<v Speaker 2>Is is the way that they were parented or you

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<v Speaker 2>were parented.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's always informed, but I like so for me,

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<v Speaker 5>I copied a lot about what I got from my dad,

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<v Speaker 5>but then there was this part that I got from

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<v Speaker 5>my mom that was very soft and loving, right, And

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<v Speaker 5>so I've even though Natalie still handles that my wife,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like there's a lot I've softened. I'm a

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<v Speaker 5>lot softer than my dad is in so many ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But you always have been.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I mean, but it's interesting too because as

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<v Speaker 3>Older and I've I'm experienced. I don't know if you would.

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<v Speaker 5>Agree, Gary. We talked about this the three sevens. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>zero to seven you play with your kids, and then

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<v Speaker 5>seven to fourteen guide you teach them, and then fourteen

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<v Speaker 5>to twenty one. It's kind of like you you're more

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<v Speaker 5>of a coach. I'm sorry, you teach them from seven

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<v Speaker 5>to fourteen, and you coach them from fourteen to twenty one,

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<v Speaker 5>and that I feel like as I got older, I

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<v Speaker 5>could see my dad also softening and like it felt

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<v Speaker 5>more peer like. There was always the respect that he

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<v Speaker 5>start to happening happen with my kids right now, that

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<v Speaker 5>there's this change that even happens throughout time.

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<v Speaker 7>My parents were very hands off for the most part,

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<v Speaker 7>not that they didn't care, but Dad, for example, it

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<v Speaker 7>was just very He's just very hands off. He didn't

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<v Speaker 7>know the names of my friends or he didn't know

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<v Speaker 7>I'm pretty sure he knew where my school was, but

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<v Speaker 7>if he was tasked with ever picking me up from school,

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<v Speaker 7>my dad was with my childhood, but not in a negative.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't look back and I think you were doing

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<v Speaker 7>that because your dad wasn't there, right or was it?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, I will say this my trend.

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<v Speaker 7>If it were not for my wife encouraging me to

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<v Speaker 7>be involved with stuff, I wouldn't have been involved with something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>Like I was encouraged like, hey, why don't you coach

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<v Speaker 7>a volunteer to coach the baseball team or the soccer

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<v Speaker 7>team or something like that, because then you get to

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<v Speaker 7>hang out with your kids.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, yeah, but there's other kids.

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<v Speaker 7>There's other kids there too, and other parents, parents and adults,

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<v Speaker 7>and like, I don't I like my kids, but there's

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<v Speaker 7>a lot that goes with that. But it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>and it kind of was the decision of well, if

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<v Speaker 7>maybe there is a benefit to that that goes beyond

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<v Speaker 7>what a benefit I received from my own parents.

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<v Speaker 5>My thing, my dad did a version of this, but

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<v Speaker 5>not as not to the level that I think I've done.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that my thing was I wanted to be so

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<v Speaker 5>involved that the people that were watching over my kids

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<v Speaker 5>would know that I'm involved, and therefore they would pay

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<v Speaker 5>more attention to my kids. And it worked, like when

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<v Speaker 5>they were in elementary school, I would get yard duties

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<v Speaker 5>that would come up to and be like, hey, your

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<v Speaker 5>son has eating lunch in the past couple of days,

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<v Speaker 5>Like they would be aware of that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>I think when they see that investment, it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 5>But the thing that also blew my mind about the

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<v Speaker 5>they saw as a parental trend where the mothers that

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<v Speaker 5>carried their kids longer, those kids would develop the ability

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<v Speaker 5>to eat on their own sooner and be more independent

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<v Speaker 5>as they got older.

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<v Speaker 1>Your kids don't even need lunch now.

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<v Speaker 3>Is right? I don't even feed them right? Not too

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<v Speaker 3>far off for themselves now it's the bark out in

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<v Speaker 3>the backyard, the the day. Listen, everybody has to grow

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<v Speaker 3>up their own way.

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<v Speaker 7>Gar's good fids, just thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Justin Worsham of course is a great person.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a great person.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still here. This is great for me. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't realize.

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<v Speaker 2>That we can do more. Stick around for the next hour.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll make it all about you.

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<v Speaker 3>Early birthday for me.

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<v Speaker 7>Guys,