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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sick as I am Dan Valley

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coming at you with another twenty twenty four twenty twenty

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We're up to the Atlanta Hawks, which means for the

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third year running, I'm going to get to speak with

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Lauren L. Williams of the Atlanta Journal Constitution. She does

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fantastic work over there covering this team. Be sure to

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Her handle will be up on the screen if you're

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We're gonna get into all things Atlanta Hawks. Really excited

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to talk about her and recording this before we actually

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that we dive into the twenty twenty four twenty twenty

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five Atlanta Hawks with Lauren el Williams. Lauren, welcome back,

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Thank you for year three, Year three come back for

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the Hawks? Look ahead, how are you doing? How are

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you feeling? It's a three P for this this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Now, I really love this podcast. It's really interesting to

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share my perspective on what I've been able to observe

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of this team, especially now that I've had a couple

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of years of foundation to build off of it. I

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think a lot has changed over the three years, which

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is crazy to say, because who would have thought that

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when we first did this podcast a few years ago

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that they'd have a different coach. The Deshaunte Murray Tree

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Young experiment would have been an abysmal failure, even though

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the team themselves or itself doesn't think of it that way,

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and the Hawks would somehow have a number one pick

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on their roster. I if somebody told me all of

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that sort of stuff would have happened the first year

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this podcast, or at the first time I did this podcast,

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I probably would have laughed.

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Speaker 1: They've been and I was telling you this before we

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got started. I just did the Clippers look ahead, and

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in terms of teams that confused the hell out of

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me the most. This is like back to back of

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just absolutely me being confounded and the Hawks. Yeah, you're right,

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like the three year arc of this team has been

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Maybe the results really haven't been that different report, but

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like just transactionally and functionally, like there's just so much

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has changed. They've been I would say a violent rollercoaster

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would be the best way to describe it.

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Speaker 2: With continued mediocre results. But but I think we're starting

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to sort of see maybe the shape of a plan

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based on just some of the transactions that have over

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the last couple of months, especially since the Dejonte Murray trade.

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I'm sure we'll talk a lot more about this as

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we go through the podcast, but you know, obviously they

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have Dice and Daniels now, who along lanky guard six

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' eight add size to the backcourt. They just drafted

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a long lanky small forward in Zachary Resache. They still

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have a long, lanky forward in DeAndre Hunter Jalen Johnson.

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I think the only you know, area where you might

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not necessarily say they have the prototypical size of what

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has kind of been working in the league as far

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as Biggs is at center, but they still have a

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guy like Clint Capella who's six ' ten, Onyeco Congo

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who backs him up, who's six ' nine. So they've

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got they've got some size that they're starting to add in,

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and I think that was a big key, especially when

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you look at some of the things Hawks coach Quinn

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Snyder talked so much about last season where they struggled

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and size was just it. So maybe we're starting to

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see the foundation of a plan and we'll see how

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they continue to build on that.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with the Dejonte Murray trade that

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I think we all knew was. I think you and

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I knew was coming when we talked last off season.

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What did you make of the like the overall trade,

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the decision to do it, and then of course just

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the return that they prioritized in those negotiations.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm really glad that they decided to finally

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pull the trigger on it. I think we were all

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wondering why they didn't do it at the trade deadline,

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particularly because of the injury to Tray, just how the

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season was sort of unfolding. It seemed like it was

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kind of a wash, like even if they got to

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the playing tournament, it wasn't going to be a long

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run in the postseason. But I think it was great

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for him because he's able to raise his value a

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little bit more and show that he is a good

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fit for teams out there, and they ended up getting,

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in my opinion, what I think is a solid return

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for that. You know, I never anticipated that they would

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have gotten as many first round picks as they did.

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They ended up getting two out of them. One of

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them is I think a conditional one. And then obviously

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you can count a guy like Dyson Daniels as a

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first round pick because he was only drafted what like

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two years ago, twenty twenty one or three years ago,

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so he's still young. I think his ceiling is still,

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you know, pretty up there. And you know, with a

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guy like Quinn Snyder and a front office that has

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Kyle Korver, maybe there's some ways that they can help

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kind of unlock the tools that maybe the Pelicans seem

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to be unable to do. So I don't think the

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return was that bad. I am a little bit confused

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about why they brought in Cody Zeller. I know he

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was part of a sign and trade and that was

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kind of like an attacked on sort of deal, but

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it just seemed weird.

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Speaker 1: It's the new era of the Aprons, where teams want

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to make sure that they're not pigeonholing themselves into, Oh,

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we need to make sure that we're not taken looking

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back more money than we're sending. It was one of

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those the knicks with Shake Milton and McHale bridges, that

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whole thing taking time to figure out true. I thought

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the return was I think people probably viewed it against

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what they gave up to get the Jean de Marie,

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who who just couldn't h I did find it interesting, though,

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because I thought that they I guess the Dyson Daniels

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of it all I found interesting. Do you think like

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this is someone that they looked at and they viewed

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like pretty highly in talks, because it feels like they

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might have whether it was from the Pelicans or another

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team would have been able to find a deal that

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was more had more first round equity, or was more

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pick based. But it seems like, just to me my

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read on it, based on how the trade unfolded, what

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they got back was they looked at Dyson Daniels and

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they treated him as like, this is better than a

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first round pick for us.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it would if it's necessarily better,

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that's how they viewed it. I think they just looked

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at it more as it's comparable. You know, again, he

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was a first round pick in twenty twenty one. Again

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he's young. I think one of the big things that

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they wanted to make sure is that this team better defensively,

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especially when you look at where the Hawks kind of

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ranked in defense last season. They were toward the bottom

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of the league in almost every category, and so I

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think in adding a guy who is sort of a

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defense first guard that they could potentially pair alongside Trey Young,

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you know, they're not necessarily losing that out when you

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give up a guy like de jon Tey Murray. I

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think the big thing is with Dyson is just where

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his offense is and if he can generate enough that

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could potentially make up for that loss. But yeah, I

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think they see a lot of potential in a guy

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that is Dyson. He's only twenty one years old, and

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so he's a guy that, if you're looking timeline wise,

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could potentially pair up with Kobe Buffkin, who at six

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' four can continue to add size to the backcourt.

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And so I think that it's kind of not necessarily

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turning the timeline back, but maybe just realigning things in

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a way that the dejon Tey Murray fit with Trey

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Young may not necessarily have worked because they're only a

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year apart, and so you know, you're speeding up the

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timeline when you add a guy like dejonte in and

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they just kind of weren't there yet.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think impacted how they went about

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this offseason more though the fact that they won the lottery, yeah,

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or that they don't control their next three first round

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picks after that lottery.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's weird. I think it's a mixture of both.

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And I think they were just trying to find ways

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to maximize as much as they could out of not

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only having the first overall pick this year, but also

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you know, potentially recouping some of the picks that they

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lost in the Dejonte Murray trade over the next you know,

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couple of years. You know, there there's that hope that

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they could potentially get that Lakers pick next year. They

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still have that pick swap with san Antonio, so it's

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a matter of how good is san Antonio gonna be

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that maybe they have to actually make that swap because

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you know, if san Antonio ends up having the higher

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pick they made not want to swap with the Hawks

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in that, you know. So I think that sort of thing,

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both of those things, you know, not having total control

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over their picks over the next few years, and the

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fact that they were able to get a guy like

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Zachary Resichet, who I think is kind of an underrated

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first round pick based on some of the you know,

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highlights that I was able to watch of him and

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getting to know him and just how excited this team

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is about what he can offer. I think the biggest

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priority was just finding ways to get bigger, and I

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think they were able to do that, adding some lengthy

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wings that can be disruptive on the perimeter and surround

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that with Trey and people who can still stretch the floor.

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So I think it seems at least from what they

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were able to do, it seems as though maybe they've

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accomplished their plan. Will find out about how where they

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stand with that on Media Day on Monday, So it'll

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be interesting. I definitely want to see what their perspective

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is on on what they feel they accomplished this offseason.

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Speaker 1: And so my final question then about the offseason. So

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you look at those pick commitments, So the pick's going

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to go to San Antonio five and twenty seven outright,

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and then that twenty six swap if they don't have

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those obligations on the table. Do we hear more Trey

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Young trade noise this past summer? Do you think.

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Speaker 2: No? Because I kind of think his contract makes things

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a little bit more complicated. I think there'd have to

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be a lot more shuffling as far as what maybe

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they were going to get back and return and whether

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teams had the space in their books to make that possible.

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I mean, he's making what forty three million dollars over

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the next few seasons, and he has a player option

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I believe in the last year of his contract, which

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I think is three years from now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty eight for that twenty six to twenty seven season,

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so yeah, two full years left before the player option.

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Speaker 2: So it's as good as Trey Young is. I do

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think that his size still kind of makes teams a

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little bit hesitant, especially with how much the league is

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putting a priority on size over the last few seasons,

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especially in the backcourt. You look at Luca six ' eight,

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Anthony Edwards was what six four six five, So I

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don't know, it's it's it's definitely a tough situation. But

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I think just all of the things that Trey has

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been able to do, how much offense he's been able

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to generate for this team, how much of a face

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he's become for the team, the city people do go

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to the games for him, So I definitely think that

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puts a value on the Hawks keeping him around a

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little bit longer unless things change morale, you know, change

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in a way that he no longer wants to be here.

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Speaker 1: So with Trey Young, we had this discussion last year

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when I was going through the questions that I'd ask

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you about whether he's become underrated, and I actually think

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it's been definitely that he is underrated. I don't know,

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you know, you can Levy the same criticisms against him,

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but you already mentioned it, like this is a tenth

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pole offensive player. Do you like how much? Though I

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guess not. I don't want to use the word blame,

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but how much was he Do you think he gets

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a raw deal when people say that his play style

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can't be shifted, because I do think you look at

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the way that they did play with de Jenttey Murray.

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It wasn't perfect at times. I would still like to

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see Trey Young cutting more off ball, running off more screens.

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But he's also like you look at the percentage of

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his shots that came off assists, like those upticked substantially

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over the past two years, and we have seen him

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like there have been there are even moments last year

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like Trey Young to me is the type of player

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who can do Can he be Steph Curry? No, I

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don't think he's probably gonna be strong enough or even

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big enough for that, but like he can fly around

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off the ball and we've kind of seen it. Do

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you think he gets a raw deal when people assume

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that the biggest knock against him? Honestly, to me, now aside,

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like people focus on the defense, but it almost feels

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more frequently people are saying his play style is just intractable,

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and I think I've reached the point where maybe we

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haven't seen it in practice yet, but I also feel

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like we've seen enough flickers of it to say that's

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not true.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I definitely agree with you that he flies

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around the court. He has the speed for it. I

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think with playmakers on the team like Jalen Johnson, things

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are sort of unlocking a little bit more where you

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have a point forward, if you will, And maybe with

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Zacharyrisiche that also opens things up another playmaker that can

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take some of the pressure off of Trey h to

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create for others. And so I definitely think that that

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part of his game is underrated, and I think, you know,

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the partnership that he'll have with Quinn Snyder will for

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sure continue unlocking that. I think, you know, we only

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just started to see Quinn's systems sort of implemented last year,

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because if you think about it, Quinn came in February

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of twenty twenty three. There's not a lot of time

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for him to implement his system. Systems take a time

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or take some time to build, and so they're heading

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into the second year of the I would like to

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say Quinn Snyder era. It's not that I don't count

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that sort of half season that he had, but because

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he was just sort of getting to know the team,

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it's hard to call it the Quinn Snyder era at

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that point. So I kind of say that, you know,

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this is the second year of it, and you know

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he's still working with a lot of young players. I mean,

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the average age of the Hawks is twenty four and wow, yeah,

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and so Bogie and Clinn Larry Nance they tip the

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scales a little bit, but a lot of their bigger,

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biggest contributors are like twenty seven and under DeAndre Hunter

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is sort of that older of the bigger contributors outside

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of the three guys that I mentioned who are over

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the age of thirty, which I know it's like weird

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with us to say that, oh my gosh, over thirty

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is so old, but obviously we know in the grand

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scheme of the NBA, over thirty is practically ancient.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm such a the amount of time. I mean,

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I'm a hypocrite in other areas, but I'm sitting here, ah,

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that dude's turn in thirty three. Right, he's still two

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years younger than you, and you're going.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm the same age as Bogey, and I'm like, Bogey,

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you're you're an old guy. Dude, you're an old man.

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Speaker 1: We're putting him out into pasture because thirty they just

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get chipped or what is it off on like an ice,

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like a block of ice. It's like out to see, like, bye,

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that's nice knowing.

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Speaker 2: You, thank you for thank you for your services. But yeah,

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I mean, look, you look at sort of the guys

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that I mentioned again, Dyson Daniels, who is sort of

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the guy that you're expecting to be the starting TUE

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besides tre twenty one Zacharyrisa shades you know again, And

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it's debatable. I still haven't convinced myself that Quinn Snyder

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is gonna pick the nineteen year old small forward over

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the twenty seven year old veteran that he has on

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the team to start out the season. I think things

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can change, but Zach's only nineteen. He literally just turned

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nineteen in April, so it's very hard for me to

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see that he'll be the start. But I still think

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he'll contribute greatly. I look at Trey Young just turned

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twenty six, Jalen Johnson just turned twenty two. On Yeko

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Coongu just turned I think twenty three or twenty four.

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So again, it's a very young group of guys, and

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I've sort of lost the point of the question that

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you were asking, But I do think that yes, there

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is I got it. No, there is room for Trey

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to sort of move off the ball a little bit more,

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especially as a guy like Jalen Johnson who's going into

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his fourth year in the league, has a little bit

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more experience, understands the speed of the game a lot

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more after how much he played last year, can open

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things up take some pressure off of him as the

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primary ball handler.

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Speaker 1: Do you notice did anything go into We saw Trey

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Young's rim frequency and his free throw a ten ray

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was still great, but it was not up to what

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Tray Young has been doing. Did you notice anything different

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or that specifically went into that dropping.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seemed like he wasn't getting a lot

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of calls. I think there is something to be said

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about his early career and sort of gaming the system

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a little bit in his favor, and maybe I think

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there's been a shift of maybe officials kind of swinging

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to the other side of the pendulum, and they're not

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sort of you know, baiting or taking the bait on

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some of those moves that used to generate calls for

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him in the past. So I think that's sort of

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what it is, because he definitely looked to attack, He

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looked to go downhill, he looked to you know, try

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to fight through contact. But I think, you know, again,

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I think it just swung to the other end of

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the pendulum. But what can you do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so I'm like, when I see these

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things now, I just attributed to Oh, okay, the NBA like

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kind of even admitted that they shifted the way that

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things were being called. But he kind of even had

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a downtick before then, and he was also absent a

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lot of the time after they really made that shift

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as well, because that was the first time he's dealt

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with like a serious injury right in his career. If

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I'm not yeah, I don't remember another one.

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Speaker 2: I think the only big one that you can really

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point to is UH Eastern Conference Finals when he sprained

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his ankle over the ref's foot out of bounds. Yeah,

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and he had to he was trying to I think

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he tried to play through it or he might have

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missed some time. But yeah, those are the only two

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that really come to mind of major injuries to him.

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Speaker 1: Aside from anything we've talked about. What is the biggest

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story line for this team that you'll be monitoring throughout

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next season?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are probably not Probably there are

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a lot of storylines with this team. Obviously, it's how

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does Zachary res Chet adjust to the NBA? You know,

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is he able to sort of have the type of

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success that he was able to have at Jailborg in

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the EuroLeague? You know, is he able to kind of

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use his high basketball IQ to make some of the

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cuts to the basket that you know, kind of drew

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the attention of a lot of scouts in the pre

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draft process. Is he able to knock shots down from three?

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Can he stretch the floor? Is he able to add

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some strength to him because he is kind of a

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I use the word lanky before. He is very lanky.

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He's definitely gotten a teenager's body, and so how he's

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able to do that I'd love to see, you know,

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the rise of Kobe Buffin He was injured a lot

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last season, missed a lot of his rookie year, so

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it would be interesting to see how he fits into

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the rotation because when you look at sort of the

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projected it's Trey Dyson, DeAndre Jalen Clint. As you're starting five,

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it's likely gonna be either Bogie Bogdan Bogdanovic or Onyeko

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Congo as the first off the bench. Probably go with

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Bogie just so that you know, you have that sort

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of minute or so for Trey to kind of sit

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about midway through the first quarter, and then he usually

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comes back toward the end and then the other guard

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sits down. I kind of project Kobe would kind of

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be the backup point guard in that sort of rotation.

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It's just a matter of right because they want to

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see the ball in his hands a bit more, and

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so that's kind of how I anticipate things going. Obviously

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you have to have Zachary orsa che in there, but

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I would say he's probably like top eight top nine

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in the rotation. And then the next storyline is, of course,

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you know Clint and he's on the final year of

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his contract. I'm sure again, I'm sure we'll talk about

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it a little bit more, But like, do we finally

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see the rise of Onieko congu as, you know, the

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guy who is the heir apparent for you know, should

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the Hawks decide not to resign Clint, which is very

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hard for me to see them doing, just because again

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we touched on it before. He's on the other side

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of thirty, which is usually not a great thing for

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free agent centers, and so he has sort of been

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a guy that has taken slow starts to the season,

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and then it's like post All Star break he kind

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of like breaks out a little bit more and then

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you see the old Clint that a lot of people

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were so used to seeing in Houston, and then you're like, oh, yeah,

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you really should be a starting center. You really earned

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that spot there. So I think those are the three

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big things. Obviously, you know, how does Trey Young adjust

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to the new rotation and if again, like we touched on,

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is he able to move off the ball a little

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bit more? And then of course how does the defense fare,

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because that's just something that's not synonymous with the Hawks.

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It's in fact, it's like usually not the first thing

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you think about when it comes to the Hawks. So

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I think they've gotten better defensively, just based on the

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pieces that they've added, But I'd love to see how

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the reality stacks up to what's on paper.

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Speaker 1: Latching on to the Zachary recichet of it all. So

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it sounds it does sound like from a well no

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more as you go through the media days in the

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training camps, but it sounds like your expectation would be

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that they're gonna bring him, at least in the beginning

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of the season along a little bit more slowly, that

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he's not yessarly going to be baptized by fire.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just really hard for me to see that

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because based on everything that we saw last season with

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Quinn Snyder's rotations, and then in addition to his experience

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with Utah, it's a very very rare that he gives

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a significant amount of minutes to his young players. Maybe

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early in his tenure in Utah things might have been different,

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obviously with Rudy and Donovan Mitchell and that sort of core,

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But it's just really hard for me to see them

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going that direction, especially because they have a guy like

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DeAndre Hunter, who, yes, we know typically does better coming

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off of the bench, but he's also making you know on.

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Speaker 1: A twenty million bucks exactly.

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Speaker 2: He's like making twenty one million dollars a season, So

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it's it's just hard for me to see them, you know,

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justifying a bench player making that sort of money. Yeah,

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I think Quinn very much prioritizes development, and I think

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the Hawks would want to put Zach in the best

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position possible, and potentially bringing him off the bench is

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the sort of route that I that I see them going.

479
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: Where do you think as a rookie he can have

480
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:24,519
the biggest impact on this team?

481
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think his biggest impact will probably be shooting

482
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,960
and defensively. I know that's so cliche, but.

483
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: I really think rookies have gotten better defensively. It seems

484
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:38,200
like and he I don't know if you when you

485
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,799
were covering Summer League, there was a I can't remember

486
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,200
which game it was, but he gave an interview afterwards

487
00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:45,359
and he like harped he had a pretty good He

488
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,480
harped on his defense afterwards, and I'm like.

489
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: He was like, I didn't play I didn't play nearly

490
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,480
as well defensively as I wanted to. Yeah, it was

491
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:53,279
like the first game.

492
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: I was like, that kid fucking gets it, and that

493
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,720
made me just a little bit more excited for him

494
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:01,440
than I had been, like just because and I've probably

495
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,400
been like by Osmosis polluted by these people just saying like, oh,

496
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,519
he's not going to be a star, he's not going

497
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:07,960
to be a star, like the people who watched more

498
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,279
college than I have. Yeah, to have someone focus on

499
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,799
their defense like that, it made me excited to be like,

500
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,480
especially perimeter guys when their rookies are normally just not

501
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,039
I'm just like whatever, but I'm very interested to see

502
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:19,640
if that would and would that be a way for

503
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,960
him to carve out like if he's playing.

504
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,079
Speaker 2: Time, Absolutely absolutely, I think that's the I think that's

505
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,119
one of the big things that Quinn Snyder sort of values,

506
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,000
particularly with young players. Again, it seems so cliche, but

507
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,880
if they can make an impact on the defensive end,

508
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,079
then they truly do earn more minutes. You sort of

509
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,079
saw that with a guy like Kobe Buffkin last season

510
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,240
when he was healthy and he could play. He had

511
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:49,880
some really great minutes against Kyrie Irving when the Hawks

512
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,680
played Dallas in March last or this past year. And

513
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,799
then you look at a guy like v Crachi, You

514
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:00,960
look at a guy like Garrison when the Hawks were

515
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,960
going through so many injuries and they had to go

516
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,400
sort of toward the end of the bench, those guys

517
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,880
really did earn minutes because of how well they were

518
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,920
playing defensively. And so for Zach because he is a

519
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,920
guy that can be super versatile. He can guard some

520
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,039
of the bigger point guards, shooting guards as well as

521
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:22,759
you know, the guys at the three. Maybe if it's

522
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,480
a slower four, I could see him maybe having some success.

523
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,119
But because of his size and length in his reach

524
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000
and his ability to disrupt things with that and his

525
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,920
awareness of things, I think he can have some success

526
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,880
defensively as he gets used to the speed of the game,

527
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:40,440
and if he's able to knock shots down, heck yeah,

528
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,519
he's going to earn some minutes. So I definitely think

529
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,279
that's sort of how the competition over the course of

530
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,119
the year might go. If you're trying to make a

531
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,400
case between him and DeAndre Hunter, if it's just he's

532
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,599
playing better defense then Dre then maybe then you start

533
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,759
to wonder, well, why isn't he's starting yet, if you

534
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:05,559
know Snyder's still going with a usual lineup. But yeah,

535
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:07,960
I think the biggest way he can make an impact

536
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,960
is defensively and of course shooting one of.

537
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,039
Speaker 1: The not knocks. But I guess it forms of skepticism

538
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:18,000
with him. People have wondered is he gonna be able

539
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,640
to create on the ball or do enough on the ball? One?

540
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:23,960
Have you like from what you've seen of him? Do

541
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,359
you think that there's more there to explore? And two?

542
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,839
And I think this is the more important question. How

543
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:31,880
does this team even tap into that to try and

544
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,640
develop that when you're also juggling Okay, it's not just

545
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,480
we have Trey Young, but until they act otherwise, like,

546
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:40,559
this is the team that's kind of functioning on a

547
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,920
semi immediate timeline. So how do you kind of juggle this?

548
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:46,640
And it might speak to his overarching role on this

549
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,720
how do you juggle the development of the number one pick?

550
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,799
Like this isn't just someone you drafted the back end

551
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:55,799
of the lottery, but yeah, number one pick with people

552
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:57,480
can make their jokes about the Hawks, but they are

553
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,079
trying to win basketball games, right.

554
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,759
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. I think the thing is development has

555
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:06,319
been something that they've harped on wanting to do. You know,

556
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,680
especially at the start of last season, you could kind

557
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,599
of see it, not just with some of the young guys,

558
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,039
and like the Kobe Buffkins and the Mogays who were

559
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,400
still able to have some growth even though they were

560
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,039
dealing with injuries. You know, their two way guy, Seth Lundy,

561
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,359
he was able to have some progress. I mean, he

562
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,400
spent most of the time in the G League, but

563
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:28,680
he was doing well enough in the G League that

564
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:33,160
when they had that initial injury to Jalen Johnson, they

565
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,720
brought him up with the rest of the team and

566
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:40,400
had him play. And so I think there is definitely

567
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,119
room for that growth. I think, you know, there's no

568
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,960
better guy like Quinn Snyder to kind of help with

569
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,119
that sort of thing, especially if they're bringing him off

570
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,680
the bench. You see it all the time when Quinn

571
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,359
is coaching. As soon as somebody comes off the court,

572
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,839
he's going to talk to them almost immediately and he's

573
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:58,400
explaining things and then they sort of go on their way.

574
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,400
So I think this staff is very committed to that

575
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:05,000
sort of thing, and so it's it's definitely going to

576
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,480
be a journey. But I think in terms of his

577
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,559
development on the ball, I was pretty impressed with some

578
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,000
of the self creation created shots that he was able

579
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,680
to make, and on top of that, he found some

580
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,799
pretty great looks for his teammates at Summer League. Some

581
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:24,200
of them didn't go down, but he is such good

582
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,680
court vision that he can find, you know, some really

583
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,440
cool passes behind the back. I don't think he's gonna

584
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,319
nut mega guy, but he has some moves to him

585
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,279
that I think, especially as he's playing with some of

586
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,319
these more elite players and not just a summer league roster,

587
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,640
that we can probably see some fancy moves. And obviously

588
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,240
with Trey there's gonna have to be a balance with that.

589
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,799
But if we're talking about them developing some of Trey's

590
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,640
off the ball skills, putting the ball in the hands

591
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,079
of your rookie or even again a guy like Jayalen

592
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Johnson is probably the way that you want to do

593
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,200
it and experiment, especially at the beginning of the season. Obviously,

594
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,359
as the season progresses and you know, they see where

595
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:05,680
they are in the standings, things might change and they

596
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:07,920
might buckle down on some of the things that we're

597
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,480
working and experiment less. But I definitely think at the

598
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:16,200
beginning of the season, well probably we might see a

599
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,000
few more experimental things happening, especially with putting in the ball,

600
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,440
putting the ball in the hands of someone other than Trey. Again,

601
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,920
you have Dyson Daniels as well, who can create shots.

602
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,000
And so I think the thing that Quinn Snyder's system

603
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,519
are predicated on is ball movement and being able to

604
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,279
have as many guys who can create is ideal for that.

605
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,279
And so I just named three others other than Trey

606
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,119
Young who can who can do that. We haven't even

607
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:45,160
mentioned Bogie yet.

608
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.

609
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,839
Speaker 1: Because they also have Dyson Daniels, who is really right

610
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,720
now can't score outside a float range prasistently. How do

611
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,359
you anticipating them using him on offenses? Is this someone

612
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,240
who will get a crack at kind of those backup

613
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:03,240
point guard reps.

614
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, I think we'll probably see a rotation. Not probably,

615
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,400
I think that we might see a rotation sort of

616
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:18,440
similar to last season in that Dyson kind of employs

617
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:21,119
the role of the de jon Te Murray that when

618
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,640
Trey goes to the bench, he shifts to the one,

619
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,319
Bogie shifts to the two when he comes on to

620
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,279
the court. But then you can also play them a

621
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,759
little bit interchangeably, because Bobie did play predominantly the one

622
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,319
in the Olympics, and so again, I think that this

623
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:42,519
team has added guys who have a lot more versatility

624
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:46,680
in their offensive game. Maybe Dyson in terms of shooting

625
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,480
frequency and accuracy, may not necessarily have a ton of versatility,

626
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:51,960
but he could still pass the ball.

627
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,599
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with him because he is really good. Feel

628
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:58,799
like the floater is like it goes in like a

629
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,160
good amount of the time, and he's just he's suffocating defensively.

630
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,079
It's just I guess, if you're going to generate more

631
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:06,880
off ball movement and you have the shooting like he's

632
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160
someone who I guess could benefit from playing off of Young.

633
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,160
But I look at him as maybe the guy if

634
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,480
you're and you already mentioned it, if you're gonna stagger

635
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,039
Trey Young from someone or separate their minutes a lot,

636
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,640
it feels like Dyson Daniels might be the guy to

637
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,119
do that.

638
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: For sure, because I think Bogie is a guy that

639
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,920
would benefit so much from a guy who has such

640
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,079
solid court vision as Dyson Daniels, you know, being able

641
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,559
to turn and look for those kickouts. I think that's

642
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,400
one of the big things that the Hawks needed a

643
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,160
little bit more of is just finding Bogie. I think,

644
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,640
let me look, I have to double check. But as

645
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,119
far as Bogie, he was shot the ball really well

646
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,400
to start the season last year, and as his usage

647
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,920
went up with the injuries, it kind of was a

648
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,079
lot less accurate. And so if if they're able to

649
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:07,920
play guys like Dyson and Zach, even DeAndre Jalen if

650
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Onyeka can hitch threes a bit more consistently, because he

651
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,800
was knocking a few down on some of the attempts

652
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,519
that he made, he he just has to be a

653
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:18,480
lot more efficient with it. They have quite a few

654
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:21,840
options that they won't need to play Bogey nearly as

655
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,119
many minutes as they did last year. I mean, he

656
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,920
averaged thirty point four, which is a career high, and

657
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,840
he is the type of guy that sort of benefits

658
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,880
from playing about twenty five minutes or less. So, you know,

659
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,480
so long as they stay healthy, you know, maybe Dyson

660
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,800
gets a little bit more efficient with his outside shooting. Zach,

661
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,760
you know, starts off maybe not necessarily the best, but

662
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,440
he grows into his role quickly. They won't have to

663
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,920
play Bogie as long, but Bogie will benefit from a

664
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,000
guy like Dyson Zachary who makes he's on time on

665
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:04,119
target passes and he is such a quick trigger that

666
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,880
those are the type of guys that you want. But

667
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,239
definitely Dyson, I've I think I've always been impressed with

668
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,599
his basketball IQ and like you said, his feel for

669
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,119
the game. So it'll be interesting to see how he's

670
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,559
able to work with the shooter like Bogie and how

671
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:20,280
much the Hawks can take advantage of that.

672
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned all those names, and it makes me

673
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,280
wonder like who among these three who they They made

674
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000
contributions at different points of the season last year and

675
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,880
Vic Cragie was just kind of a revelation. But between

676
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,440
Vic Cragie and Kobe Buffkin and Garrison Matthews, like one

677
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,400
or two of those dudes is probably gonna fall by

678
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,920
the wayside when you kind of look at how this

679
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:40,880
rotation is shaking out. So do you have any like

680
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,199
what would be your expectations for and you mentioned that

681
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,599
they still kind of view Kobe Buffkin is important and

682
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,280
as someone who would he's six for build out of

683
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,360
the draft is Oh, he gets to and finishes at

684
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,679
the rim, he can play off the ball, and he

685
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,840
defends his butt off. It's kind of like, well, like

686
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,280
that feels like the guy that needs to get reps.

687
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,480
But is he going to be the best of those three?

688
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,039
You don't necessarily know, like how like what is the

689
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,280
push and pull they are gonna be And if you

690
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,920
had to guess, like which one or two of them

691
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,079
is gonna maybe suffer the most in terms of their

692
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,960
minutes played based off again all those other names that we've.

693
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,679
Speaker 2: Just talked about, I definitely think Veeet Crachie and Garrison

694
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,039
Matthews will probably suffer from, you know, the influx of

695
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:25,159
versatility that they added into the rotation. But I think

696
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,000
of the two of those guys that I mentioned, Vet

697
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,920
might end up inching out Garrison a little bit more.

698
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,480
Again because of size, six ' eight, has a great

699
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:42,199
feel for the game, and so because of that length

700
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,400
and size, he's a bigger body that you can inject

701
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:52,280
at the one, two or three. So so I think

702
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,119
Garrison probably suffers the most. Then I would say is

703
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,119
sort of the next one that would probably fall to

704
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,559
the wayside. But definitely I see Kobe kind of being

705
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:06,880
inserted into the lineup, particularly if Quinn plays eight to

706
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,119
nine guys. Well, particularly if he plays nine guys.

707
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: What do you or I'll frame it this right. What

708
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,079
should we believe in more from what we saw of

709
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,440
vic crag last year. Is it the fact that the

710
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,079
three pointers were going in. Yeah, with the body of

711
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,920
work that he delivered defensively where it's oh, he's just

712
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,320
like held his own against Jason Tatum. Yeah, that's just

713
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,599
like as you any six eight two. I feel like

714
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,559
when people talk about Vic Crachy and even stand out,

715
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:35,840
it's no, the dude is big.

716
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,119
Speaker 2: He I forget sometimes how tall Vick Crazy is and

717
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,559
then I stand beside him and I'm like, oh, you're

718
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,280
You're a very large human being, especially because he is

719
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:52,639
such a babyface, nicest dude, just one of the I

720
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,440
can't say enough great things about v And I think

721
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,440
he's the guy that would benefit the more minutes he

722
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,199
gets to play. And we saw that as the season

723
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,639
went on, or as you know, those thirteen games that

724
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,559
he started went on, and you know, the Hawks valued

725
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:11,239
in him and valued him enough to convert him from

726
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,280
that two way at the end of last year to

727
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,159
a standard contract this year.

728
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, but they got in time for the.

729
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,599
Speaker 2: Not in time for the plan. But I think we

730
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:24,280
could clearly say that, see they had marking, they got

731
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,280
the number, that's they got the numb exactly. So I

732
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,760
definitely think that he's somebody that they value, especially because

733
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,800
of his size. But also again he is a little

734
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,039
bit underrated defensively, but I think he still has so

735
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:42,840
much room to grow. He's still young. I think people

736
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,320
forget that he's only what like twenty two, twenty three,

737
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,280
so you know, the ceiling is still there. I mean,

738
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,639
he he had, he has a good body of work.

739
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:55,760
I was surprised that okay, see, you know, didn't factor

740
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:02,719
him into their larger plans after you know, the twenty season.

741
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,000
So hopefully he's that diamond for the Hawks. I think

742
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,800
he has it all. He can shoot, he can he

743
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,360
can pass the ball. He he's solid defensively.

744
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,559
Speaker 1: I think that's what I trust too. More, by the way,

745
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:22,119
is I trust the shooting for the defense over the shooting.

746
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,519
I need to see more of that. And the passing

747
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,480
is interesting because and I did go back and watch

748
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:31,199
more of him in preparation of this podcast. He feels

749
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,559
like he'll I want to see him get minutes on

750
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,719
this team when they have more of the ball handlers

751
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,840
out there, because I don't trust him to do that

752
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,639
like there was just too many turnovers when they were

753
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,920
having a run pecking rolls. It just it wasn't great.

754
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,440
But it feels like he could be a very good,

755
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,119
like connective passer. Oh absolutely, and so like if you

756
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:49,440
can get him in the right lineups, that's why I'm hoping.

757
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,239
I think of the three, I'm highest on Kobe buffin

758
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,039
long term maybe, but I think I still want to

759
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:55,920
see the most of it crazy right now.

760
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,199
Speaker 2: I think he is an exciting player and he has

761
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,159
some flash. I don't know if you remember that Pat

762
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,800
like that play that he sort of uh rescued that

763
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,360
it's still burned in my mind, I except I forgot

764
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,920
who they were playing against. But it was like he

765
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,599
initially passed into cappella or yeah capella, and the past

766
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:20,360
got bobbled or something, and then he picked it up

767
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,719
and saved the turnover and like hit it behind the

768
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,039
back and then went to the hoop, and it was

769
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,880
just like if he could do more of that stuff,

770
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:33,320
like that's to me, it's like justification for him getting

771
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,280
some more minutes. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

772
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,039
Speaker 1: Was that it was like a wrap around at the

773
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:42,199
bit was it the Pelicans? I think it was. I

774
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,760
can't remember it, but I think it was like I

775
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,880
remember the kind of the broken play and then it

776
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,239
was like almost a wrap around pass but directly at

777
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,320
the basket, which you didn't necessarily say yeah.

778
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,199
Speaker 2: And he ended up making but he ended up making

779
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,119
the layup, so it didn't end up being like a

780
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:58,480
full wrap around pass. It's like he wrapped it around himself.

781
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: And then oh no, I think I think I'm thinking

782
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,000
of a different place. Okay, more on the play that

783
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:04,320
I'm thinking of someone else did.

784
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: It's just I think I think he's a diamond in

785
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,440
the rough, and I wanted to get more minutes because

786
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,039
I really do think the more he plays, the more

787
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,719
he develops, and then the better he just gets. So

788
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,400
it's a win win for everybody, isn't it.

789
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: What were your when he was healthy and from the midime,

790
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,440
So what we're kind of just your biggest takeaways or

791
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,639
impressions of Kobe Bufkins game. Yeah.

792
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: I touched on it a little bit already with the

793
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,239
defense he played as a rookie. Again, you don't always

794
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,519
see that sort of you know, what's the word of

795
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,920
dedication to that side of the game, But he was

796
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,119
and I hate to use the cliche he was locked in.

797
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,000
He was a big body, he was disruptive. I just

798
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:49,960
want to see him be a lot more efficient in

799
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:54,840
terms of his shooting and then obviously just making a

800
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,239
few better decisions. But that's only gonna come with time.

801
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:03,280
He's still really young. Just turned twenty one. Yeah, he

802
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,599
just turned twenty one. So I just want to see

803
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:08,800
him be a little bit of a better decision maker.

804
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,679
I think he could, like he can pass the ball,

805
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,840
but I think there are times when he's creating his

806
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,159
own shots, it's like you could see him still thinking

807
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:20,039
in slow motion a little bit where it's like, Okay,

808
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:23,800
I'm I'm going to shoot now, and it gives obviously

809
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,519
defense time to recover and contest the shots. Or I'm

810
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:29,679
going to go inside and there's just like that split

811
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,280
second where it's like, Okay, go up for it, but

812
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,199
he doesn't and it allows people to collapse the paint

813
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,119
or Yeah. So it's just making more quick decisive reads

814
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,039
for himself, not just as he's passing the ball, because

815
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,679
I thought he made some solid decisions when he was

816
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,800
creating for other people.

817
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,519
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson may have won Most Improved Player last year,

818
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:55,320
if he had, if he hadn't gotten hurt names, Yeah,

819
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:57,960
what stood out the most to you about how he

820
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,840
played last season? And then what's kind of one area

821
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,880
of development you're still going to be monitoring this year.

822
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing that I'll probably monitor most

823
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,440
is just how can you stay healthy? Is he because

824
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,360
sometimes when you know he plays, it's like he's just

825
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,440
going full force. There's only one speed when it comes

826
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,519
to Jalen Johnson, which is great except when you're rolling

827
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,639
your ankle two or three times toward the end of

828
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:29,039
the season when the Hawks really need you. But no,

829
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,599
I just I do think that that motor is really

830
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:35,760
what generates so much energy for this team because the

831
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,800
Hawks really were at their best when he was playing.

832
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,800
I think they started the season six and four in

833
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,280
their first ten games, and then it's like after he

834
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,880
went down, they lost, like, you know, the next fourteen,

835
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,599
not the next fourteen, but the majority of the next fourteen.

836
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,440
I can't remember the exact number. I think there were

837
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,079
like four and ten or something like that. So he

838
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,719
is sort of the X factor in that team just

839
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,039
because one we talk again, we talk about his size,

840
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:06,440
but just because he can get them out in transition

841
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:07,199
so quickly.

842
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:07,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

843
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,599
Speaker 2: It it really changes the speed the pace of their

844
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,840
game because sometimes when you look, they get somebody gets

845
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,079
a rebound and he's already gone after steel gone, and

846
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,960
he's just very splashy. I mean, you can't think of

847
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,880
Jalen Johnson and not think of his dunk on Austin Reeves,

848
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,239
his two him catching two bodies on I think it

849
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,239
was Josh hart and Isaiah Hartenstein. He dunked on Chet,

850
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,000
so I think he wants to dunk on Victor. I

851
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,519
don't think he's gotten to play the Spurs because he's

852
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:41,440
been hurt, or maybe he played the Spurs when they

853
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,280
came to Atlanta on Martin Luther King Day. But yeah, so,

854
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,840
I mean he's just always looking to catch bodies and

855
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,280
that's what's gonna fill the seats. People love seeing dunks,

856
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,480
people love seeing you know, explosive plays, and he's going

857
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:57,559
to deliver on that. And I think the other thing

858
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,840
that I think will really entice people to him as

859
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,960
if he can shoot the ball more efficiently. We saw

860
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,559
a little bit of that in stretches, but you know,

861
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,400
they're just some games he's shooting it really well, and

862
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,639
then some games it's just not great. So he can

863
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,239
consistently knock those shots down. You know, he for sure

864
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,760
is going to be in the conversation again for most.

865
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: Approved you mentioned the dunks. He's definitely someone who has

866
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,039
a list of people he wants to dunk on. I

867
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:27,800
know players are asked and then they have to I

868
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,719
was like, no, that thing is framed and laminated.

869
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 2: And I think one of the broadcast the okay see

870
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,079
broadcasts when he dunked on Chet after the dunk, because

871
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,840
it's showing the slow motion replay and him running away

872
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,599
and you can see him talking to bench like I

873
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,320
told y'all, I was gonna dunk on that. And I

874
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,639
won't say what he said, but he definitely knows who

875
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:53,440
he wants to get.

876
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that stood out to

877
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,039
most of me for him is because you mentioned the

878
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,679
stuff in transition, he can play. It's touch full throttle.

879
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,920
I don't know if I appreciated what his ceiling could

880
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,280
be when things slowed down and offensively, he was still

881
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
able to make plays. What I really don't have a

882
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,239
feel for, and I'm wondering, if you have a better

883
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,159
insight into this, what is he defensively.

884
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,519
Speaker 2: Honestly, I would like to think of him as a

885
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:20,400
little bit of a Swiss army knife. I mean, he's

886
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,679
got the length, he's got great court awareness, he's very disruptive.

887
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:32,679
He averaged, let's see, averaged like one point something steals

888
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,840
last year, so he can get in those pockets and

889
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,239
be pretty disruptive against other people one point two, which

890
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,719
was like the third tied for the third most on

891
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,320
the team per game. And so I think just because

892
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,320
he's able to get into people, take up space, and

893
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,639
just really be a pest on the ball, he's great.

894
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,920
And then on top of that, off the ball, again

895
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,960
that court awareness, being able to keep a constant eye

896
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:05,480
on where the ball is, he can cut off people

897
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,840
driving to the baskets, you know, slod on with some

898
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,559
of those blowbys. So I definitely think he's got a

899
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:12,599
lot of tools in his belt, and I think it's

900
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:17,800
only made better based on who he's sort of surrounded by,

901
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,760
and in honest and all, honestly, I think he's at

902
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,199
his best when he's surrounded by Clint and DeAndre. So

903
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,039
it'll be interesting to see, how, you know, having a

904
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:30,880
rookie beside him who's a little less tested might be.

905
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,719
He does great with on Yaco Congo because they're boys,

906
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,920
so they have a really great chemistry that they just

907
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:40,719
sort of they're just perfect in sync together. So again,

908
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,119
it'll be interesting to see with some of these new

909
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,000
players and how you know, having a guy like Dyson

910
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:51,400
Daniels in the rotation makes his life easier and just

911
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,320
helps him take up more space.

912
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,039
Speaker 1: Should we or would you expect him to get an

913
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,519
extension or do you think the combination of the Hawks

914
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:04,639
are a very you know, cost conscious team on top

915
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,400
of the fact that he last year was his first

916
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,239
full season, playing a bunch of minutes and he still

917
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,719
kind of finished it hurt. Is this more likely than

918
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,320
to leak out into a restrictive reagency.

919
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: No, I think he's a guy that they prioritize. I

920
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,760
think one, they were invested in his development, especially in

921
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,199
sending him to the G League, which he embraced fully,

922
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,400
and the fact that I think he's sort of on

923
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,000
target as far as his development. I mean, he was

924
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,800
taking what twenty in the draft, what was it, twenty

925
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,559
twenty one, So it'll be again, they're going to be

926
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:43,199
an interesting position because they have him, they have Dyson

927
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,480
to also think about and then they also have to

928
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:51,920
start considering guys like Kobe or Zach, you know, just

929
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,280
getting their ducks in a row as far as who

930
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,840
they're planning on sort of resigning. But I definitely think

931
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:01,800
he's a top priority for this, and I think, you know,

932
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,360
the number we'll see is gonna be sort of commensurate

933
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,880
with what he deserves, particularly because of how much value

934
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,719
he had for that team last year. I mean, they did,

935
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,719
they just were not as good without him.

936
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering if just because they could in theory

937
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,199
be somewhat flexible next summer, if they try to do

938
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,000
the thing where they want to work with his smaller

939
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,880
cap hold and don't extend him. I think, regardless of

940
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,400
when he gets paid, his deal is gonna I think

941
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,320
some people are gonna get sticker shock from his deal,

942
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,039
kind of what we saw with when Devin Vessel signed

943
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,920
his extension with the Spurs, because I'm still not sure,

944
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,880
I mean, I'm not even sure I fully realize how

945
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,440
good he is, and so I think people that aren't

946
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,239
necessarily watching the Hawks every day or following them don't

947
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,840
understand like how good, especially on offense. I think a

948
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,000
lot of people view him as just this kind of

949
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:53,760
like quaint play finisher, and last year specifically, he just

950
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,320
showed like so much more than that. So if you

951
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,760
told me that he gets I don't know. I don't

952
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,960
think get I'll be shocked if hegeinst the max for sure,

953
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,119
But me, it's like.

954
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:05,039
Speaker 2: I don't think you get the I.

955
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: Mean it's I mean, if you're him and you look

956
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,079
at what you did last year, I know you finished

957
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:10,639
the money that a manual quickly got.

958
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: I know it's different they see, but a million I

959
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,000
was gonna say I could see twenty seven to thirty,

960
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,599
thirty one, thirty two, I wouldn't That wouldn't shock me.

961
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,519
Speaker 1: That feels about right, Yeah, like he'll be he'll be okay. Yeah,

962
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:32,960
so what's going on up front? Yeah, you've already mentioned

963
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,360
Clin Copella. This is now you even expect it sounds

964
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,960
like Copella to continue to start, which I think makes

965
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,920
sense because this team is it's big with its perimeter players.

966
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:43,840
But you look at just okay if you want to

967
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,920
get into the center of it all. I mean, Larry

968
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,559
Nance Junior is good, on Yacha Kungu is good. They're

969
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,559
undersized for actual bigs. And then of course you have

970
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,400
Clint Capella, Like, what is the plan here both short

971
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,599
and long term for them upfront?

972
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: That's the biggest mystery to me, honest, But I do

973
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,920
think that one because they've obviously already extended on Yeko Coongu.

974
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:09,199
He is sort of their center of the future. I

975
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,280
just it's hard for me to see Clint Capella coming back.

976
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:16,280
I could see them potentially drafting a center, you know,

977
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,639
in twenty twenty five, especially when you look at some

978
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,480
of the guys that they were looking at in this

979
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:25,000
year's draft. You had Sar, you had Clinging, you know,

980
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:29,039
two really big centers, and of course you know, if

981
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:31,719
they're lucky again and somehow get the number one pick,

982
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,159
if especially if they're able to get that Sacramento pick,

983
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,039
or I.

984
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,199
Speaker 1: Don't even think can they They can't feasibly. I guess

985
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,719
the Lakers pick that they have is not protected. I

986
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,079
need because their own pick is headed to San Antonio.

987
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,599
Speaker 2: Their own pick is hanging it head into San Antonio.

988
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,239
I think Sacramento is protected one through one through twelve.

989
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Lakers one is unprotected. So they need

990
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,719
the Lakers to just.

991
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: Be absolutely exactly yeah, I mean, hey, there is there

992
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,920
is a world in which Sacramento could be really good

993
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:08,280
and you know, somehow do really well in the West.

994
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,199
Speaker 1: There is a world I think that will convey. I

995
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,039
think they just they'll probably end up with two first

996
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:14,800
round picks next year, would be my prediction.

997
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: And if they can somehow magically end up with one

998
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,119
and I gained.

999
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,679
Speaker 1: The Lakers to be really bad that they need Lebron

1000
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,800
to request the trade of Golden State that everyone's been

1001
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,000
waiting for, and that's that's their pathway to it.

1002
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,639
Speaker 2: Who knows, but I do think that, you know, they

1003
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:35,760
could potentially draft a center and you know, maybe or

1004
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,559
maybe they sign one of the many that are available

1005
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:47,079
in free agency next year. So yeah, it'll let's see

1006
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,840
who's who's available. What centers. Yeah, there there are a

1007
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,440
lot of centers. I mean, maybe is there Rudy Gobert

1008
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:04,039
reunion with Quinn? I don't. I do not foresee that

1009
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:08,440
happening at all, Like I just don't. But yeah, there

1010
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,960
there are quite a few centers who are unrestricted free

1011
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,679
agents next summer that you know, or even even if

1012
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,599
they go into to restricted free agency, they could totally

1013
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:26,800
kind of compete for so who knows, maybe we'll see

1014
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,440
them bring Bruno Fernando back. He seems to return every

1015
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:33,039
you know, one to two years.

1016
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we love.

1017
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: Bruno over here. We love Bruno Fernando. So yeah, maybe

1018
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,400
maybe we see them, you know, sign some guys in

1019
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,039
free agency, but yeah, I definitely foresee to go back

1020
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,480
to their original point on Yeco. Congo is just sort

1021
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,480
of the guy of the future. Last year, we saw

1022
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,320
him play a lot more minutes coming off of the bench.

1023
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:58,360
Sometimes we ended up just seeing him closing out those games.

1024
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,760
And so that's to me says that they're developing him

1025
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,880
to eventually sort of slide into that starting role when

1026
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,159
Clint's no longer with the Hawks.

1027
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: Is there any concern about because they were not a

1028
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,079
great defensive rebounding team last year, and they were pretty

1029
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:18,719
good when Clint Capela's on the court. But you look

1030
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,239
at m Yuka Congo, who's six ' nine, is there

1031
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,960
any concern about if you view him as like kind

1032
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,280
of your long term center or big of the future

1033
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,360
in them. And I mean, you're gonna run in the

1034
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,559
same issue even with Larry Nance. So when you're getting

1035
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:31,519
into those secondary lineups or just certain lineups, like, is

1036
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:35,559
there anything they can do to like buoy the defense

1037
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,039
of rebounding when you are playing quote unquote a little

1038
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:41,079
bit smaller at your spender spot. Is there certain lineups

1039
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,519
that make it like oh and Yuka Congo should really

1040
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,440
play with like these one or two guys.

1041
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,119
Speaker 2: I definitely think I touched on it again. I think

1042
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,960
he definitely thrives beside Jalen Johnson. Again, he's another guy

1043
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,320
that attacks, getting those sort of defensive rebounds. You know,

1044
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,800
maybe we see a guy like Zachary Resichet sort of

1045
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,159
step up a little bit more and that's a way

1046
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:07,840
that he earns minutes on the floor. Dyson is a

1047
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,639
great rebounder as a guard, so that's another reason I

1048
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:15,519
think they prioritize bringing him into the rotation. So yeah,

1049
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,119
I mean it's definitely hard, especially when you're going up

1050
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:27,039
against the Sixers, the Knicks, Milwaukee. I'm trying to think

1051
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:36,559
of obviously Denver, Charlotte. They've struggled against Charlotte, but there's

1052
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,760
a world where they can do pretty well. We know that,

1053
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:45,920
you know, a team like Miami isn't the best at

1054
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,679
offensive rebounding, and so that's sort of where they can

1055
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,400
maybe thrive and make up some of that ground. But yeah,

1056
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,639
it's really hard for me to see or envision a

1057
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:59,320
lineup that's gonna really knock it out of the park

1058
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:04,239
to mix metaphors in terms of you know, out rebounding

1059
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,960
a team on the defensive end.

1060
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: Uh And again I need they could addressed down the line.

1061
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:11,159
Just yeah, I'm fascinated to see.

1062
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: If you think that's really fascinating now that I think

1063
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,679
about it, I think definitely.

1064
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting because so many people and I understand why

1065
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,599
it's well, Yako Kungo was just like he's the center

1066
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:22,360
of the future, and it's like, well, then you're gonna

1067
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,559
run into this issue. It seems like a lot of

1068
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:26,119
the time. So I'll be curious to see. I mean,

1069
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,239
they do have wings. I guess who you can hope

1070
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,239
to get like Bogie can rebound some. But just like

1071
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,039
of the new wings, like can you count on Dyson

1072
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:36,320
Daniels or Zachary reached to provide those bumps.

1073
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 2: When you look at cleaning the glass, Dyson was pretty

1074
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,000
up there. I thought, with you know, field goal, the

1075
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,480
defensive rebounding percentage.

1076
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,599
Speaker 1: And I mean that those might be too that you

1077
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,760
could explore playing together, especially if Kungu is gonna be

1078
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:56,320
taking more threes this year, so you're not as worried

1079
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,440
about the floor spacing there.

1080
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:04,559
Speaker 2: The fifth percentile uh for defensive defensive rebounding.

1081
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: The eight ninety fifth Is that what he said?

1082
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: Eighty fifth?

1083
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:08,519
Speaker 1: Oh wit, that's still really that's higher than I would

1084
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:08,920
have guessed.

1085
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I was just looking at this the

1086
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,320
other day, so I was thinking, So now that you

1087
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,000
mentioned it, I definitely think you know, trying to again,

1088
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,800
it's similar with you know, insulating Trey with as much

1089
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,320
size in the backcourt. I think it's a similar thing

1090
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,760
of just trying to insulate on Yeko with as much

1091
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,960
size on the outside to help in some of those battles,

1092
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:31,119
especially like you said, if he's taking some of those threes,

1093
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:33,000
he can draw the center out a little bit more

1094
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:36,039
and maybe that opens up some things for other guys

1095
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,000
to box out guys and they can get rebounds. Who knows.

1096
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: So what is in the I mean is my tie

1097
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,440
into the rebounding discussion we just had a little bit.

1098
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,480
But when you're looking at their defense overall, what is

1099
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:51,360
your I guess where do you think that they are

1100
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,480
now built to improve the most defensively with the roster

1101
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:55,679
maneuvering following.

1102
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: For sure on the wing because of just how much

1103
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:02,119
they sort of added guys in again, I talk about

1104
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:05,280
those lengthy guys, that's somewhere that they struggle, and again

1105
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,719
that sort of helps out a guy like DeAndre Hunter

1106
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,960
who's often tasked with defending your DeMar Derozans or defending

1107
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,119
I'm trying to think who else I've remembered him historically

1108
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:20,159
really being a kawhi.

1109
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: They've all just because of his body type, he's needed

1110
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,599
to defend these guys that he probably has no business.

1111
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,719
Speaker 2: But now that they've added in again a guy like

1112
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,280
Dyson Daniels, you know, he has a lot more help,

1113
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,800
hopefully if he can stay healthy. From Jalen Johnson, I

1114
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,639
really do think that's sort of where they bolstered that,

1115
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:44,559
that's where they struggled a lot. It's sort of on

1116
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:48,320
the perimeter and slowing guys down and just making sure

1117
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,199
that they don't have you know, I think with Dyson

1118
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:52,079
and Jalen they'll sort of help with some of those

1119
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,599
blowbys and allow DeAndre maybe some time to recover and

1120
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:59,199
get to guys and maybe stop them or give Clint

1121
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:01,400
some time to get into a position to maybe block

1122
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,719
the shot or something like that. So that's sort of

1123
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,840
what I envision is sort of the improvement of where

1124
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,239
they've really gotten better defensively. I think what I'm interested

1125
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,440
to see is how they handle transition defense, because that

1126
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:18,280
was just awful.

1127
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,519
Speaker 1: Ye if they play it, I think that will be

1128
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:23,719
the improvement is if they play transition defense, there's like

1129
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:29,480
the bar fell but everything you actually outlined now not

1130
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:33,679
to be that with me being an asshole though, just

1131
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:35,599
like when you look at the personnel that you've just

1132
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:37,920
gone through and broke down, Like if you have Dyson Daniels,

1133
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:40,679
even Vic Cragy Zactary reached the Shay, we know at

1134
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:42,920
least we'll get back. But I think the Hawks, like

1135
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,760
Achilles Heel over the past few years, if you watch

1136
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,639
them after Missus, it's like, why are so many guys

1137
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:51,119
out of frames at the other end transition and now

1138
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:53,719
it feels like they might just have more guys who

1139
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:58,400
will be back on defense, which is to battle. It's

1140
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,679
low hanging fruit, but it's god it up and I

1141
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:03,079
think you guys could probably improve by like a few

1142
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:04,079
spots for sure.

1143
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: I agree. I think I definitely think that's sort of

1144
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,119
the big thing is just are they able to get back?

1145
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:15,119
And so we'll definitely be watching it and maybe they'll

1146
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:18,639
end up being the same Oldhawks. We'll see are.

1147
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:21,079
Speaker 1: You ready to enter the cookie cutter portion of the

1148
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:21,719
pop ways?

1149
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:22,599
Speaker 2: I love cookies.

1150
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:30,079
Speaker 1: Okay, So looking at the roster today before seeing any games,

1151
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,480
what do you bill as their biggest need?

1152
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: We talked about it just a bigger center, and as

1153
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,400
somebody who really does like oh Nico Congu, I think

1154
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,960
that's just when I hadn't anticipated that they would have

1155
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,920
added more size to the lineup. That's sort of what

1156
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:52,960
I would have wanted. Like, I was really intrigued by

1157
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,599
the idea of sar and clinging, just because you can

1158
01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:04,079
never have too many seven footers your lineup. So I

1159
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:08,320
think they're definitely going to have a challenge at the five.

1160
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:11,119
But maybe that's again, maybe that's the part of the plan,

1161
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:13,639
is to go out and draft a seven footer. I'll

1162
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:16,599
have to double check who's in the class of twenty

1163
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:17,159
twenty five.

1164
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: But between they'll betray young and then just a bunch

1165
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,559
of dudes between six to six and nine, and that's

1166
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:24,519
how they're gonna do much.

1167
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,119
Speaker 2: I mean, that seems to be the plan, uh, But

1168
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,079
I don't know. It's just like the way that the

1169
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:33,239
league is going. The fact that you know, two seven footers,

1170
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,719
three seven footers went in the top what like ten

1171
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:39,400
in the last three drafts. It's just like the league

1172
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,360
is just getting bigger, and especially at the five, and

1173
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,719
so you just can never, in my opinion, pass up

1174
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,800
that opportunity. But we'll see. I like Zach, I think

1175
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,800
he'll do great, So I still think I would still

1176
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,679
love to see them potentially get somebody a little bit

1177
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:59,079
bigger at the five. But I think for now it

1178
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:01,239
just seems like yah, because the guy that they have

1179
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,280
pegged as their center for the future.

1180
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: There and you just said something that made me think

1181
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,639
of this, and I can't remember who said it, So

1182
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,000
if they're listening to this, I apologize for crimming it

1183
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:12,840
from them, but we've all known that. Like you mentioned

1184
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,760
that the league seems to be gravitating towards size, and

1185
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,880
I totally agree. It feels like size with skill, whereas

1186
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,519
you don't necessarily want the Clint Capellas of the world

1187
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,320
as much anymore. That are more limited kind even on

1188
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,119
both ends of the floor, and what they're gonna they'll

1189
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:27,440
be great at what they're great at, but the stuff

1190
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:27,719
they're not.

1191
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:30,639
Speaker 2: Versatility is key in this league.

1192
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,719
Speaker 1: But and this is the comment I'm cribbing from someone

1193
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,599
mentioned it used to be just so easy to chalk

1194
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,519
it up to, well, you'll just find a big who

1195
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,119
can play, it will be cheap, and you figure it

1196
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:39,920
out after the back.

1197
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: You definitely need mobile fives.

1198
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: And now you can't just find one like and now

1199
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,039
that I'm really just thinking about, it's like, oh, you

1200
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,239
can fill that at the minimum, and it's that's gotten

1201
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,800
a lot harder to do is to find like impact

1202
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:55,400
centers that can play actual minutes on the cheap or

1203
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,199
even in general. I guess at this point if you're

1204
01:02:57,239 --> 01:02:59,639
viewing it through a postseason lens.

1205
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:05,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's obviously I think, you know, Kristaps for zingis

1206
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:10,159
really really shifted. I feel like how people look at

1207
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:12,599
the five. I mean, he was drafted in what twenty fourteen.

1208
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,920
Obviously the injuries didn't help his case, but he's made

1209
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,360
quite an impact, especially over the last three four years,

1210
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,880
you know, being in Washington now with Boston and just

1211
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,119
how much of an impact he made on that series

1212
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,519
in those first two games that he played. I really

1213
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:33,639
think that set the Celtics up for success. I mean, yeah,

1214
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,480
the Celtics is just a powerhouse with him on the team.

1215
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,559
I mean, I don't necessarily I'm not saying that it's

1216
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,840
an easy feat to beat the Celtics without him, but

1217
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,119
they're definitely a more beatable team if they don't have

1218
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:47,599
him in them.

1219
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, they barely had him in the playoffs

1220
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,400
last year and they still just ran through everybody.

1221
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:55,639
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on matchup. But you're looking at

1222
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,880
if we go back to then Dallas and looking at

1223
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,840
just like what Derek Lively was able to do, and

1224
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,639
they also have doubt Daniel Gafford. Is just they've got

1225
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:06,519
twin towers. You look at Cleveland, Jared Allen and Evan Mobley.

1226
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:09,559
They're still trying to figure out how to work the

1227
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,559
two of them in the lineups. But I mean, the

1228
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:16,000
twin towers are seriously, in my opinion, makes life so

1229
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:20,599
much tougher on the Hawks anytime they played Cleveland. So yeah,

1230
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:22,840
I don't know, I just I think that's just the

1231
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,280
thing that I sees that they need somebody who just

1232
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,639
kind of tips the scales a little bit in terms

1233
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:30,760
of size and mobility. In the front court.

1234
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: Is there anything that we having talked about or something

1235
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,159
about this team that flies under the radar, strength, another weakness,

1236
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:41,719
a storyline, development, a player, whatever that you think deserves

1237
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:42,480
more shine.

1238
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: I honestly think I'm just so surprised at how little

1239
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,760
attention REESA. Shay has gotten as a number one pick.

1240
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,960
I just I guess I understand where people are coming from,

1241
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,039
where he was sort of a guy that they were like,

1242
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,159
is he a number one pick? I'm not sure, but

1243
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,400
you just think about some of the players that have

1244
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,679
been former number one picks and the attention that they

1245
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,639
sort of had, you know, after the draft happened, and

1246
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,119
sort of the excitement that they tried to build up

1247
01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:17,360
of these guys as the season sort of progressed. And

1248
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,280
I just haven't really sort of seen that. So I

1249
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,800
don't know if it's just because he's in Atlanta and

1250
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,079
Atlanta's no man's left, but I think that's a big

1251
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:31,000
thing that's just kind of shocking you because you would

1252
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:33,519
think that he'd be somebody that would be in the

1253
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,039
running for a Rookie of the.

1254
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: Year, right, I mean, no, I get the team that

1255
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:42,880
he's on. No, because I don't think the opportunity is

1256
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,880
going to be there. Fair, But when you're a number

1257
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,880
one pick, yes, the assumption this is so unique because

1258
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,159
the Hawks are this team that was mediocre and got

1259
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:53,960
the number one pick. Yeah, you never really see that.

1260
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:55,280
But yeah, I guess that's why.

1261
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,719
Speaker 2: I guess. I'm like, why isn't it should be talked

1262
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,119
about a little bit more, especially because of the fact

1263
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:03,519
that they had only a three percent chance to win

1264
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:06,000
the number one pick. I mean, like, I don't know,

1265
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:12,880
that just seems maybe maybe this is my uh bias

1266
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:14,199
because I cover them.

1267
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,079
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, what I think is kind of underrated is

1268
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,400
and it's it involves rececha is they just won the

1269
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,039
number one pick. They just traded de Jonte Murray for

1270
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,880
what I think, even with Dyson Daniels was a future

1271
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,519
focused return. Like, Dyson Daniels is still a prospect. You

1272
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:34,039
got two first round picks and we're sitting here. They

1273
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:36,840
don't control their next three first round picks. Yeah, Like,

1274
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:40,280
what is Atlanta's direction? Yeah? What is the long term

1275
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,199
endgame here?

1276
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:44,639
Speaker 2: I am it's not talked about. I am surprised it's

1277
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:47,039
not talked about more nationally. I mean, I've hear you

1278
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,719
hear it here and there, but whenever I talk to

1279
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,519
people from other teams or scouts or anything like that.

1280
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:55,880
I mean, I had a scout that told me, he's like,

1281
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,840
I can't even figure out what their plan is last year,

1282
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,079
and he's like, I haven't even really heard conversations about

1283
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,719
what their potential plan is. So it's just it's interesting.

1284
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,159
They're just not a team that people talk about, and it's.

1285
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:15,039
Speaker 1: Any decision they make is gonna be probably overly scrutinized

1286
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:18,199
because if you said, hey, let's reset, well, unless you're

1287
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:20,280
getting your own draft picks back, why are you doing that?

1288
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,039
But then if you turn around and let's say they

1289
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:24,800
use the Lakers pick, they use the additional first round

1290
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,480
pick they get, they use someone, and they go out

1291
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:28,440
and make an upgrade, it's you're not good enough to

1292
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,880
do that. What are you doing? And so exactly, I

1293
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,199
don't think they can necessarily, like when the press conference,

1294
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:36,760
I'll call it no matter what direction they do. But

1295
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:39,199
it's also just as of right now, they still feel

1296
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:41,679
like they might exist around the middle, and I don't

1297
01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:44,639
know what over the next three years while those picks

1298
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:47,159
are conveying to San Antonio. I don't necessarily know what

1299
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:50,960
the right pathway. It's probably just that Receichey pops like

1300
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,679
there's because I think for them, me inscentive right now

1301
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,519
is you can't be bad. It doesn't make sense when

1302
01:07:55,519 --> 01:07:57,559
you'll control your own picks. And so you kind of

1303
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:00,360
hope that Jalalen Johnson continues to progress. You hit on

1304
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,920
some of these other editions. But it's fascinating to me

1305
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,639
that they're not trapped because they have options, they have talent,

1306
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,199
But I have no idea where they're going. I just

1307
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:09,719
have none.

1308
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: It's funny because Howard Beck he put out his sort

1309
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,800
of tears of you know where teams are and if

1310
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,720
you can figure out kind of where their decision making

1311
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,800
is leading them, or if you can like realistically see

1312
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,039
that X decision is going to help them win the

1313
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:31,680
championship or at least put them in contention. The Hawks

1314
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,560
are just literally sort of in his Noman's land territory

1315
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,159
and that nobody can figure them out. And I think

1316
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,800
the key is just that they've added I think the

1317
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,119
big thing. I think the big storyline is just how

1318
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:45,640
much size that they've added around Trey, especially either in

1319
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,479
the backcourt or on the wing. I think that's just

1320
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,000
the biggest thing, and we have to see how it

1321
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:56,439
plays out. It'll be interesting, for sure, But I think

1322
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,920
the big thing too is just what do they do

1323
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,800
with and if he truly is this, you know, is

1324
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,840
this his season to really prove that he's the center

1325
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,199
of the future, even though it's clear that he's sort

1326
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:12,520
of positioned as that, has he fully earned it? I

1327
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,439
don't know. I think time I think that I'm I'm

1328
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,000
still out on that, you know.

1329
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,399
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. You've mentioned this earlier. I think

1330
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,159
at the top of the podcast about who might be

1331
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:25,680
starting the top ten rotation for this team at full strength.

1332
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,079
Is it kind of just like when you look at

1333
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:29,199
the names of who would be the top ten set

1334
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:32,159
in Stone because you have Trey, you have Bogie, Reese,

1335
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:36,760
tre has to play, Jalen Johnson Capella Hunter a Kunglu

1336
01:09:37,119 --> 01:09:39,760
Jalen Uh. Well, Jalen John's already mentioned, So I would

1337
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,399
have Larry Nance Junior. So that's nine locks.

1338
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:44,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be.

1339
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:46,199
Speaker 1: The tenth person to kind of round that out.

1340
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 2: Did you say Kobe.

1341
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: I did not.

1342
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if I were amending that list, I would

1343
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,279
probably put Dyson over Bogie just because you know, he

1344
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,079
would set them sort of on the right path defensively hopefully,

1345
01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:07,079
and you can sort of inject Bogie in for more

1346
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:09,760
shooting when they need a little bit more offense. I

1347
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:14,399
would probably, and we touched on this, you know, throughout

1348
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:21,000
the show, but I'd probably start Hunter over Zachary just because, again,

1349
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:24,159
veteran a little bit more experience. He's making twenty one

1350
01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:27,720
million dollars a year, and then you go from there.

1351
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,239
You don't I think, you know, you put zach in

1352
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:33,920
a position of success to give him a chance to

1353
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:39,720
truly adjust to the speed of the NBA. I don't

1354
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,239
think he necessarily needs a lot of time, but I

1355
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:46,520
do think Trial by Fire may not necessarily be the best.

1356
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,239
I mean, he's obviously played with professionals already, having played

1357
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:53,479
in Europe, but obviously both games are are just different,

1358
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:57,359
and so maybe he's not necessarily coming off the bench

1359
01:10:57,399 --> 01:11:00,520
a long time. But if the season we're starting tomorrow,

1360
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,520
that would kind of be how I would set up

1361
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,479
the sort of rotation with Kobe being number ten.

1362
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,359
Speaker 1: While this can be to some extent matchup dependent, what

1363
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:12,520
do you think winds up being their go to crunch

1364
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,119
time unit?

1365
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:22,239
Speaker 2: The go to crunch time unit. I think Trey, I

1366
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:27,479
think potentially Bogie again shooting. You want to put your

1367
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:34,000
best shooters on on the floor. I'm still so like.

1368
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,920
I think it just depends on how quickly Zach adjusts

1369
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:43,199
to the NBA, because it could be either him or

1370
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:49,119
DeAndre m I lean a little bit more heavily towards

1371
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:54,359
DeAndre again, the veteran used to the speed of the

1372
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:59,600
NBA has been there before. Yeah, can go off on

1373
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:06,199
random nic. But if if Zach's the guy who's just

1374
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:12,479
adjusted quickly, he's more consistent, his defense is consistent. I

1375
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,960
could very well see a possibility of Quinn turning to him,

1376
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:23,439
particularly because number one pick and then Jalen probably on

1377
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,039
Yeka because they've kind of scaled back on Clint's minutes

1378
01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:28,319
when on Yaka's healthy.

1379
01:12:29,079 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: Actually, this might be one of the teams where we

1380
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,159
see a lot of just shape shifting in crunch time.

1381
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:34,760
Now that when you're going through it, I'm kind of

1382
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,560
looking at they're probably gonna use a bunch of different lineups.

1383
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see that very well. But I

1384
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,079
also think that Quinn Snyder was a very very much

1385
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:46,920
a creature of habit last season, and some of the

1386
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,680
crunch time lineups were pretty consistent.

1387
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:53,119
Speaker 1: Oh so maybe it's like a post trade deadline thing

1388
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:55,720
where they're already out of the race, or something that's

1389
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,359
something experimental that would be exactly Yeah, is there a

1390
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,239
weirdo or funky line up that you think that Quinn

1391
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:03,880
Schnyder should roll out next year?

1392
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 2: Funky line up? Well, if we're going with the ten,

1393
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:25,399
I honestly wouldn't mind a world where we see Dyson. Well,

1394
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,359
I guess maybe you want to line up with Trey

1395
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:29,840
in it? Right, So I guess Trey.

1396
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,279
Speaker 1: You're it's your funky lineup. Whoever you want to.

1397
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:38,159
Speaker 2: Be in a funky, funky lineup. Okay, maybe this is

1398
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:48,479
like the funkiest funky I already love it. Dyson, Bogey, Jalen,

1399
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:58,560
Onyeka and Clint. Okay, wow, that's a big lineup.

1400
01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: We're talking about their lack of size, Like yeah, sometimes

1401
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,359
it's Jail and Clint and on, thinking like that's huge.

1402
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,079
Speaker 2: That's a big lineup. That's that's that's funky.

1403
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,119
Speaker 1: I would like to see. And this isn't an indictment

1404
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:17,399
of Trey Young. Yeah, I just throwing Dice and Daniels.

1405
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,640
Then give me Resache, Jalen Johnson Vic Crache, and then

1406
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,119
I guess I should probably say DeAndre Hunter, but I'll

1407
01:14:26,119 --> 01:14:28,640
probably go with Bogie for the extra off the de creation, like,

1408
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,279
let's just put those basically, yeah, okay, there's two guards

1409
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:34,159
technically in there, but you're really all just like a

1410
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:35,840
bunch of of wings and power.

1411
01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's funky.

1412
01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: So Jalen Johnson's basically your five, and that's.

1413
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's playing minutes at that he's playing at

1414
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:53,399
the five. That's the only way I see that is

1415
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,880
if on Clint are hurt or and Larry Nance is

1416
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,880
hurt Oh yeah.

1417
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,359
Speaker 1: They got Well, Larry Nas Junior is probably gonna be

1418
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:02,920
hehurd at some point. If we know anything about Larry

1419
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,199
Nance Junior. Maybe they're all in foul trouble. I don't

1420
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:06,239
want to wish in your.

1421
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,319
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, foul trouble. Foul trouble. That's a good one.

1422
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:14,039
That's a good one. Yeah, okay, because Anyika does have

1423
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:19,000
a little trouble with fouling. He's still kind of figuring.

1424
01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:23,479
He was still figuring out a bunch last year. And

1425
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:27,880
Clint sometimes just gets called for some random weirder ones.

1426
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:32,079
That you're just kind of like what it usually happens

1427
01:15:32,079 --> 01:15:34,319
when like people are boxing him out and they've got

1428
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:37,279
an elbow in his face and the ref doesn't see

1429
01:15:37,279 --> 01:15:41,640
that and he like pushes up. Yeah it's weird, but all.

1430
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: Right, I'm want to root for it.

1431
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if I honestly, I wouldn't be

1432
01:15:48,079 --> 01:15:50,560
surprised if I saw that if they were all if

1433
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,239
all your fives were in foul foul trouble, I.

1434
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: Mean you could throw I need to see. I want

1435
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,600
like the five outlooks, so Larry Nance Junior can be

1436
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,960
in there, and then I guess you remove Bogie or

1437
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,159
Dice and Daniels. I'd probably just remove Bogie because I

1438
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:07,760
feel like the defense then of those five with Jalen Johnson, Nance,

1439
01:16:08,199 --> 01:16:09,840
Crachie Reschet.

1440
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,319
Speaker 2: And have a lot of scoring.

1441
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: At one point and hit a bunch of floaters and

1442
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:17,039
that's the plan.

1443
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:20,359
Speaker 2: And Jalen just dunks and transition every five.

1444
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:23,079
Speaker 1: Seconds, and Rage commits a turnover every third possession trying

1445
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:26,119
to run. But yeah, so that'll be as we record this.

1446
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,319
Mm hmm, they're over under Lauren. It said at thirty

1447
01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:32,000
five and a half, would you take the and I'm

1448
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,520
pretty sure it was. When we did this last year,

1449
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:34,800
it was like thirty six and a half, So it's

1450
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:35,800
right around this and they.

1451
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 2: I think they won thirty seven last year.

1452
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so are you taking me over or the under

1453
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,239
on that thirty five and a half?

1454
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 2: I would probably I probably take the over by like

1455
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:51,159
one or two.

1456
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: Look, that's pretty un rand for this team.

1457
01:16:58,039 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: No, I mean maybe I'll be a little bit. Maybe

1458
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,399
I could see them getting to thirty eight.

1459
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: Honestly, this is the team. But I think I said

1460
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,439
this last year or too. It just wouldn't shock me

1461
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,439
if they blew everyone's expectations out of the water. And

1462
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,640
this might be that I was staring at this roster

1463
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,079
and then I was talking about it to you for

1464
01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:17,800
the last like seventy plus minute, and that I've talked

1465
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,760
to myself into being higher on it, like maybe I'm.

1466
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 2: Two or three argument.

1467
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were so convincing. But I just look at it,

1468
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,239
and they have a lot of and I've harped on

1469
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:29,039
this previously, they have a lot of lineup optionality right now,

1470
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:31,119
and I think it's more than they've had in quite

1471
01:17:31,119 --> 01:17:34,960
some time. And so if everyone's healthy and things break right,

1472
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,680
with some of the wild cards. I think, specifically, if

1473
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,279
Reciche is good right away, I'm not saying you need

1474
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:43,319
to Berea, which is good, be a game changer for them.

1475
01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Honestly, I think in my ceiling for them,

1476
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:52,359
if I'm being overly optimistic, and I mean overly overly optimistic,

1477
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,520
I could see them sneaking in to the top, like

1478
01:17:57,279 --> 01:18:01,319
very like last second sneak in like maybe that last

1479
01:18:01,359 --> 01:18:05,479
game of the season as a sixth seed. But in reality,

1480
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,960
I think they're their ceiling is a seven seed still

1481
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:10,760
playing team.

1482
01:18:12,119 --> 01:18:14,119
Speaker 1: I think that's fair because the six I know, it

1483
01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:16,359
never breaks like we think. But you have the Nicks,

1484
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,840
the Sixers, the Celtics, the Bucks, the Calves, and I

1485
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:22,720
like the Magic and Pacers and Heat are kind of

1486
01:18:23,359 --> 01:18:25,880
in this not I might have. I'm lower on Miami

1487
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,079
than most, but so that's eight teams right there. Yeah,

1488
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:29,840
if you ask me who I think of those teams,

1489
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,840
the Hawks could realistically be better than I think probably

1490
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,520
like two or three of them. Is fair to say

1491
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:35,439
that it could happen.

1492
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if age I mean I can see

1493
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:45,079
them being better than Miami because like you, I'm not

1494
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:49,159
super high on Miami, especially how things shook out last year.

1495
01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:54,479
I could see them. Depending on how things shakeout, they

1496
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:59,439
could they could be solid over Why am I blanking

1497
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:03,560
on orline? They've just had such a hard time with

1498
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:06,680
the Pacers, and I think with Pascal, I think that's

1499
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,159
where I get a little bit nervous about them being

1500
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:12,279
confident that I could say that they could beat them. So,

1501
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,920
if anything, I could see the Pacers being maybe that

1502
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:21,119
final five or six of the East. I don't know.

1503
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're to me, they're clearly I think

1504
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,600
some people want to loop them probably into the same

1505
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,479
like Charlotte. I think they're clearly better than the Charlotte, Washington, Detroit, Chicago.

1506
01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:34,279
The question marks to me would be can you be

1507
01:19:34,359 --> 01:19:36,560
better than one to two or all three of Indiana,

1508
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,600
Orlando or Miami, Like those are kind of the three

1509
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,960
teams that I think the Hawks could be on or

1510
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,720
better than their level. But I could also easily of

1511
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,600
the teams that I just named, they might actually have

1512
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,079
the lowest floor of that group before.

1513
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I just think the thing is, again,

1514
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,800
if they're they're very healthy, not very healthy. If they

1515
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:59,680
remain healthy, I think they're a very competitive roster, and

1516
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,119
I think they're more competitive than maybe people are giving

1517
01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:04,960
them credit for. But I just it's very hard for

1518
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,520
me to see them cracking into the top six, unless

1519
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:13,279
you know, they make a crazy run because injuries just

1520
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:14,960
ravaged the East.

1521
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: Well between Milwaukee, New York and Philadelphia injuries and even

1522
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,119
Porzingis isn't gonna play until twenty twenty five, I don't

1523
01:20:22,119 --> 01:20:23,840
think so maybe the door will be open.

1524
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they maybe not necessarily Philly, But I don't know.

1525
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,920
I guess Milwaukee and New York just seem to have

1526
01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:35,880
enough depth that they can still sort of hang around

1527
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,119
and Jails it's just Shalen Fronts.

1528
01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:44,159
Speaker 1: He's a mite. Like it can't be honest, it can't

1529
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:46,760
be Jailen Bruns in it. Actually Philly, he's probably better

1530
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,279
built to navigate Juell's absence. But I if you told me,

1531
01:20:50,359 --> 01:20:54,760
though that the Hawks were like seventeenth in defense, I

1532
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,680
might just be like, you know what they did finish

1533
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:58,560
with the top six spot, like they just they don't

1534
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:03,359
need to be good, yeah, League average. If they're better,

1535
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,239
then we suck. If they're better than awful, that's when

1536
01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:08,920
they get super interesting to me, because I think just

1537
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,960
as long as you have Trey Young, even if it's

1538
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,600
not always the cleanest look, even if there are some

1539
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,199
problematic lineups, you you can have a good offense for

1540
01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:17,800
extent the great offense and.

1541
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,520
Speaker 2: They can always find You can always count on Trey

1542
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,560
either finding Bogie, finding Clint to finish at the rim,

1543
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,479
and then obviously if Jalen is healthy, you can always

1544
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,760
count on Trey finding him in transition.

1545
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,119
Speaker 1: Can honestly count on Trey finding it. Like he's the best,

1546
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:36,199
like in terms of generating assists at the rim and

1547
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:37,840
from three, like he's just one of the best in

1548
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,880
the business of doing it. That might fly under the

1549
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,680
radar at this yeah, dismissing.

1550
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 2: I mean he went he was twenty and ten last year.

1551
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: That's just I mean, like he's twenty Like what is

1552
01:21:48,039 --> 01:21:49,800
he twenty five and ten every year and we just

1553
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,239
kind of like, oh, but that's not good enough or something.

1554
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:55,520
So I will be fascinated if this team is good

1555
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,600
to see if they're willing to make upgrades on the mall,

1556
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,680
like if they're there but they're not white, if they're

1557
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,680
seventh at the trade deadline, like is this a team

1558
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,199
that buys or do they stand a pat and I

1559
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:07,880
think that's something I'll be looking at because again it

1560
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,880
comes back to those we're gonna book end to this

1561
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,479
and finish where we started. It's what's gonna how do

1562
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,159
they view themselves because of those draft obligations to say?

1563
01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: And then I'm also curious though, like if there's seventh

1564
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,439
that the trade deadline, though, who's going who do they trade?

1565
01:22:23,079 --> 01:22:26,319
Speaker 1: Well? I think what's interesting about them is they have

1566
01:22:26,399 --> 01:22:29,640
a lot of digestible contracts, but do view this and

1567
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,840
it's not necessarily an insult to these players, but I

1568
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,960
think that you could move Larry Dan Junior, Oh yeah,

1569
01:22:35,039 --> 01:22:39,039
Twint Capella or DeAndre Hunter and just really not feel

1570
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,760
the ramifications that you normally would if you're trading rotation

1571
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:44,560
player X.

1572
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,199
Speaker 2: I think I think, actually, now that you mention it,

1573
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:52,359
I think DeAndre is probably DeAndre and Clint, especially since

1574
01:22:52,359 --> 01:22:56,000
we talk so much about Amyka being sort of the

1575
01:22:56,039 --> 01:23:01,880
center of the future. If he and Zach are just

1576
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:07,119
killing it starting off the season just way better than

1577
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:10,359
anybody ever imagined, I think that could give them the

1578
01:23:10,399 --> 01:23:14,039
confidence to pull the trigger and maybe have a couple

1579
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:15,359
of upgrades here and there.

1580
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 1: And look, Capella is specifically being expiring, if they're willing

1581
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,680
to attach anything to him, like that's a real offer

1582
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,680
for something. I don't know what the like the Hawks

1583
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,039
might be targeting another big man in that trade. Yeah,

1584
01:23:26,079 --> 01:23:30,319
but Lauren, is there anything anyone about this team I

1585
01:23:30,319 --> 01:23:32,239
haven't asked you about that you think needs to be

1586
01:23:32,279 --> 01:23:35,520
touched upon before I let you? Oh Gay, let's do.

1587
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,319
Speaker 2: It, Oh Gay. It's we touched on him a little

1588
01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:43,359
bit because obviously he was in I mentioned him being

1589
01:23:43,359 --> 01:23:46,880
among the injuries with Kobe that just their rookie season

1590
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,079
was sort of stunted a little bit because of that.

1591
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,199
And he's one of those like kind of periphery guys

1592
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:54,840
that I don't think he'll get necessarily a lot of

1593
01:23:54,880 --> 01:24:00,720
playing time, but I think that if he can, maybe

1594
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,079
they'll send him to to College Park for a little

1595
01:24:04,079 --> 01:24:07,000
bit and just depending on how things shake out with

1596
01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:09,560
this season, because things are just the only content in

1597
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,520
the NBA is that it's unpredictable. You know, he could

1598
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,680
find himself making a case to maybe be in the lineup,

1599
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,520
and I think there's somebody that they're high on that

1600
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,439
they want to play the wing. But he can also

1601
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,760
play minutes as a five because he played that predominantly

1602
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,079
in college at Washington. Is it Washington and Washington State?

1603
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:30,560
I think it's Washington.

1604
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,199
Speaker 1: He went to I'm looking at his page. He went

1605
01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:33,000
to Washington State.

1606
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:38,319
Speaker 2: Washington State. Yeah, so yeah, he's he's kind of one

1607
01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:40,760
of those guys that it's like, I think he's on

1608
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,399
the periphery of like the top ten. He's like maybe

1609
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:44,159
number eleven.

1610
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:47,239
Speaker 1: Well, I did not like that's that's a deep cut.

1611
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:49,520
I love it. Now I'm gonna go back and watch

1612
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,560
more of him. So if you watch so trade Jalen Johnson,

1613
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,880
trade Clinton, trade and build a round? Mo? Is that

1614
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,520
what we're that's' trade? Trade?

1615
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,119
Speaker 2: Definitely see if I'm a GM, that would cost me

1616
01:25:02,199 --> 01:25:06,640
my child. He's good, he's good, and I think he

1617
01:25:07,079 --> 01:25:10,279
has a high ceiling. But he's just still so raw

1618
01:25:10,359 --> 01:25:13,039
because he hasn't been playing that long, and especially if

1619
01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:15,199
they're developing in him as a wing, they need a

1620
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:18,119
little bit more time. But I would definitely, if you're

1621
01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:20,880
going back to watch anything, watch that last game that

1622
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,399
they had against Indiana at the end of the season.

1623
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,279
He went off for like nineteen points and was just

1624
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:32,479
like bucket bucket, So he just didn't I think the

1625
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,640
thing that surprised me about him a little bit is

1626
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,079
that you didn't necessarily and maybe it's just the type

1627
01:25:37,079 --> 01:25:39,760
of talent that was around him, But at the Summer League,

1628
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,079
you expected him to sort of take a step forward,

1629
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,359
and he just didn't quite do that. So I'm just

1630
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:48,760
wondering if it's if that's an indictment of who he's

1631
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,720
surrounded by and he sort of plays up to who

1632
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:55,920
he's playing with, or if it's just he needs more time.

1633
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: He is a top well I guess Cody's l or

1634
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,640
six eleven too, but he's one of the two tallest

1635
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,920
players the team, so we want size in there.

1636
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,239
Speaker 2: There you go, Maybe that's one of the wacky lineups.

1637
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:09,199
Throw them in there with, like Omika Jalen. Just throw

1638
01:26:09,279 --> 01:26:13,920
up five all five lineup.

1639
01:26:15,279 --> 01:26:17,399
Speaker 1: Lauren, this was great as always. Are you able just

1640
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,159
to tell our listeners where they can find you and

1641
01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:20,720
all the fantastic work that you do.

1642
01:26:21,079 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you guys can find me at AJC dot com,

1643
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,079
Slash Sports, slash Hawks or something like that, or if

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you are somebody who's on the Twitter machine x, whatever

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you want to call it. These days, I just don't

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want to get sued. We don't know how Elon will

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react if you keep calling it Twitter too consistently. But yeah,

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you can find me on Twitter at williams Lauren L.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, as always, running

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with listening. You can find the links to where you

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can find Lauren's work as well as her Twitter and

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old cap Fox Twitter Forever in our podcast on YouTube description.

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Thank you so much for giving me so much time

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as you and as you know by now, I will

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be pestering you again down the lines.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to it