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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season three,

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episode twenty two of Clips and if We're coming at you.

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Oh and one, the Clippers lost their first game. It

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into it officially defeated, into that. It is our year.

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It is starting not how you would want it to,

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per Will. But we're gonna talk about our next day

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feelings about the loss to the Suns. We're gonna be

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previewing the back to back. I am Chuck Mockler, joined

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by Adam Mausen and Will Updyke. We have the full

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crew here tonight. Fellas I usually ask how you're doing,

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but we got to talk about the Kawhi Leonard related

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lawsuit up top. There was a here here there was

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not today. Uh, there was a flurry of Clippers new news.

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We got news that someone is suing the Clippers for

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how they've handled Kawhi's injuries. And then the team, I

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feel like, felt like they needed some better pr so

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they immediately released information that they're trying to find a

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trade partner for PJ. Tucker. The Kawhi lawsuit. I don't know, Adam,

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do you want to break down the background a little

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bit like it's a former trainer who's suing the team

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for bait. What it seems like is negligence for the

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most part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wrongful termination. I guess Chris Haynes had the report

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about five hours ago. Former trainer Randy Shelton, to quote

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Chris Haynes in the article, is suing the franchise for

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wrongful termination, among other things, after he claims he was

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fired after complaining that Kawhi Leonard was being subjected to

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unsafe and illegal treatment for injuries. I read the entire thing.

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They mentioned the type of treatment they did. It was

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bio something according to him in the lawsuit. Okay, there's

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a lot of You had a perfect tweet about it.

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What did you say, Chuck?

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Speaker 1: So the issue with this lawsuit is they said this

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trainer is saying that the Clippers hastened Kawhi's recovery, which

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if you followed the Clippers, doesn't feel like what happened, right,

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will his recovery or his return uh everything, the return

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the recovery will. As a Clippers fan, would you say

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you felt that they've rushed Kawhi Leonard to getting back

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to the basketball court throughout his injuries?

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Speaker 3: Look, no, I mean I think if there was any

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one who would be rushing it, it would probably be

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Kawhi in his camp, and I know a lot of

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I know for some fans that sounds far fetched or

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hard to believe, but there is nobody who wants to

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be on the floor more and faster than Kawhi Leonard Like,

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that's just I'm sorry, that's just the fact of the matter.

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You're not one of the best players if that's not

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like your mindset and your mentality. That's what he lives

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and breathes for. So I think if or was anyone,

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it would most likely be on that side of things.

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I can't see the Clippers as an organization. Look, I'm

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not saying they're perfect. You know, the fact that many

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fans had no names of the athletic staff is enough

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of an indication that they're probably not perfect, right, But

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at the same time, I still don't think they're the

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organization that's going to push a player, especially a high

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profile player, a player that you've built, you've now you know,

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put essentially your franchise on the back of. I just

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can't see them rushing that person back or taking any

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sort of unreasonable, you know, any sort of unreasonable measure

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and that's that's sort of where what you have to

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hit right, Like, let's say this did somehow go to

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a lawsuit and this was part of it in civil court.

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It's a preponderance of the evidence. It's more likely true

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than not correct.

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Speaker 4: So sure would you sitting there today, sitting there today,

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October twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, I think it's more

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likely than not that the Clippers rushed.

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Speaker 3: Kawhi Leonard back, Like I just I'm not seeing.

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Speaker 1: It, and he's such Kawhi specifically is so particular about

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his health. If he got any kind of vibe, remember

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what happened with the Spurs when he goes getting the

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feeling that they were trying to rush him back, he said, fu,

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I'm gonna leave. Like and this is hater to Kawhi

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if you've and I don't say that with a negative connotation,

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but we've all we all used to sit and wait

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for him and PG to come out after game. Like

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whatever Kawi wanted he gets from the Clippers, you can

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view that however you want, good or bad. That's been

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the case the whole time. I don't think they would.

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I think they're not messing with his health.

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Speaker 2: I would encourage people to remember a certain game in

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the second half of the twenty two to twenty three season.

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I believe it was in Memphis where Kawhi didn't play

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the second half out of nowhere. His teammates didn't know.

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It didn't seem like coach Lou knew. And this is

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somebody you're saying that could be rushed back by the

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organization who just didn't play a second half out of nowhere.

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You think that's plausible. Like, I don't know what the

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truth is. It's a lawsuit. We'll see how it plays out.

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But between that the comment about how he needed seven

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hundred and thirty days off after the ACL and therefore

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they rushed him back by not keeping him out for

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two entire years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's two thousand and six we're going.

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Speaker 2: And then also the wording of he played significant minutes

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in his first two games back from the ACL, which

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were games where he came off the bench against the

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Lakers and then against the Suns where he could play

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no more than twenty one minutes. I don't know if

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I'd say that significant minutes. It just seems like I

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don't know a lot of the verbiage in there about

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how he was lured away from San Diego State where

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he had a prestigious position there. It just seems like

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the guy, I don't know, he's playing the victim quite

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often here in the lawsuit, and that's what he's claiming,

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and he's gonna have to prove it. And from what

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we know about the situation, just from what we've observed

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with Kawhi Leonard and how it's been handled over the

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last five years. I mean, everyone's been talking about how

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they load manage him too much, how he's not playing enough,

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and now you have a guy saying he's actually been

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playing too much. It just it's hard to reconcile that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel it just it feels like going it

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feels like settlement search.

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Speaker 3: Well I don't know, so like we don't know the

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details of the wrongful termination. Okay, like that part, Sure

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that might be legit. I have no idea, But like

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a lot of stuff like this, it makes for a

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great headline, but it's not that strong for your case

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because if there was any sort of significant evidence of this,

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you would get paid out before there was ever a thing.

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Because if this goes to core Green or lose, you

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have to give deposition. People from the Clipper staff are

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gonna have to give deposition if this Kaui thing is

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somehow in it, which I don't think it will be.

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I don't see a judge including that, but if it was,

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he would also have to give deposition, like you know

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what I mean, Like, it's not a nothing thing, and

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so you know, well, I think that maybe parts of

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it that you know there there could be a nugget

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of truth. I don't know, you know, I'm not I'm

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not there. I have no clue, so I can't really

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speak on that. But I think like adding on a

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bunch of stuff like this is you know, not only

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not great for your case, but it's just not a

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good look in general.

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Speaker 1: And we have the whole lawsuit is the other Chris

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Haynes just tweeted out the whole lawsuit like and I can't.

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Speaker 3: Imagine to be fair, these things are a matter of yeah,

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that's true.

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Speaker 2: It all. It tooks like forty five minutes to read

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the whole thing. Though it's not as you know, drowning

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you on paperwork as you would assume for a lawsuit

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this case, I guess, But I like what will said

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there just seems like maybe hurd of his own case,

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acting like he has an axe to grind within some

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of the wording that's going on there.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see and also look at like there's owners

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in all sports where you you you read about them,

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and you say, I don't know if that person really

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has a handle on maybe everything in the organization. Steve

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Ballmer does not strike me as someone who would have

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a legal team that would be easily defeated. Let's just

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say in matters like this, it's just, yeah, it feels

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like a cash grab to me personally, it feels like

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some kind of cash grab.

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Speaker 3: I hope nothing the extra area, you know what I mean,

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Like if this was just a wraw ful termination, then

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it's kind of like, you know, I have no idea,

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we don't know enough to speak on it. But when

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you add in like sort of this extraneous stuff, it's

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kind of like, Okay, so you're you're telling me that

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they fired you to like cover up that they were

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like rushing him back against your advisement. I don't know,

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I don't.

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Speaker 1: Look of the timing the into it Dome opened yesterday,

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you know what I mean? Like this is I just

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think that helps for you know, like this was gonna

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get eyes anyway. But the timing of it, You're like, okay,

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so the day after the regular season starts, we get this.

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It's not a yeah right like it was. He didn't

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just wake up and deal with it. I don't know.

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I hope everything gets resolved and no one Couhi doesn't

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have to waste his time being deposed.

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Speaker 2: The Clippers statement statement is pretty strong, by the way, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You want to read it. They didn't. They just say

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like we paid him.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, we said, quote, mister Shelton's claims were investigated

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and found to be without merit. We ordered mister Shelton's

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employment contract and paid him in full. This lawsuit is

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a belated attempt to shake down the Clippers based on

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accusations that mister Shelton should know are false. That's firm.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if they and they they're saying they

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paid him out, which there's record of, I'm assuming.

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Speaker 3: It was cash.

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Speaker 2: Dude, big worm paid him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I call big worm. But yeah, like again, I'm

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not I'm not trying to defend like a three billion

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dollar team or whatever. But this this all the will

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that point about like all this extra Kawai stuff. It's

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like it feels just a little like come on, man,

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like they were shooting him up with like wacky stuff

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to try and like Kawhi if this this guy was

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Kawhi's trainer.

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Speaker 2: Also, that's not till twenty seventeen. That part also interests me.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, what shit.

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Speaker 2: He was? Yeah, that's what it said from what I

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read in the lawsuit, he was till twenty seventeen. And Okay,

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the timing of that that includes some of that time.

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What's the spurs and the murkiness surrounding the injury? So

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what happened then and then the Clippers brought him in

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a couple of years later when they got him, when

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they got QUI, I don't know. That's Yeah, there's a

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lot that's unresolved here.

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Speaker 1: Adding the tampering part I think is so funny.

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Speaker 2: Which apparently is you know, it's not part of the lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like he just added that hurt them.

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Speaker 3: And that's another one of those things where it's like, man,

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you are really muddy in the waters with Like I

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could see this being a legitimate claim if it was

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like maybe a little bit more streamline.

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Speaker 1: Narrow focus, right, like not as because it is funny

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to me, like I wish I could sue NBA teams

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for tampering. I would sue every team in the league

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for tampering as a private citizen.

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Speaker 2: Chris Haynes said, lawyers for Raiden, excuse me, Randy Shelton.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if Raydon was suing the Clipippers, we would be

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in big trouble.

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Speaker 2: When it came faster the lightning, you know. Randy Shelton

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says he's willing to talk with the NBA about his

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knowledge of how the Clippers recruited Kawhi quote, though not

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part of Damage's relief sought by Shelton, he'll fully cooperate

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with the NBA should league investigators consider prosecution and sanctions

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against the Clipper.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't this already investigated? Wasn't wasn't this already investigated by

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the NBA? I am I making that up?

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Speaker 1: We do a quick Google. Well, it's going to be

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flooded with all these new results.

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Speaker 2: I thought, I think you're right. There's a lot of

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things that happened today that I thought already had happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, shit, yeah, I can't wait to get into

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some of the other ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think you're and like it's just also like.

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Speaker 3: Because we know it was aggressive, like we know, but again,

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every game tampers.

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Speaker 1: That's why that's why free agency starts at five PM

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and every dealing with like five two.

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Speaker 3: That's that's something. I mean, you know, like we just

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we happened to be the most plugged into the Clippers.

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We knew that, Yes, for an entire season, someone was

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there at Kauhi's games, Like we know that. That's that's

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nothing new, you know, it's to me, it's it's strikingly

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similar to like Philly's courtship of Paul George last year.

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It's like, yeah, there were no secrets, like we know

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what you were doing. You were doing it the whole time,

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and that's you know, like, I is it fine? Is

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it not? Like I really can't tell you. I think

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it depends and the league needs to either come up

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with a bright line rule or just continue to do nothing.

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you can't pick and choose, you know what I mean,

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not really gonna care about this stuff unless you do

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something really blatant car or something yeah, like yeah, but

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if there's no bright line rule of what you can

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and cannot do, then I just think it's I think

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it's really weird to try and like I don't know,

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to try to dredge this stuff up for some sort

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of like punitive effect.

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Speaker 1: Like we're gonna penalize teams for having scouts at every game,

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like exactly, like you've been to a game, you see, Oh, well,

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the Pacers are here at this Clippers versus.

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Speaker 3: Look at the media seeding chart at any at any

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freaking game during an eighty two game regular season. Like

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it's just it's just that that's just part of the

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game though too, you know what I mean, Like how

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are scouts supposed to do their jobs if they're not

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at the games? I you know, like how are you

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supposed to assess fit if they're not at the games?

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There's all sorts of like legitimate reasons that have nothing

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to do with tampering, and like without a bright line

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rule from the league, how do you discern one from

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the other.

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Speaker 2: And isn't the overwhelming reason for the tampering rule to

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protect small markets where they're trying not to have it

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so big mark as can say, hey, come here because

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you'll end up making more money off the court and

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all these other things. But it's almost becoming I don't

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want to say antiquated, because big markets still matter, of course,

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but I don't know if it matters as much as

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it used to to get the amount of publicity you

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can get in today's day and age with marketing and advertising.

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Speaker 3: Called the Internet.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of the.

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Speaker 3: Pretty wild stuff on there? Man? You can be from

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anywhere and make money anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we talk about SDA, Oh you know, is

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he gonna leave in twenty twenty six? Like he didn't know?

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You know ten years ago. Twenty years ago, everybody would

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say hashtag future Laker, hashtag this and those big market

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shop Yeah. Yeah, the NBA is a farm system for

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the Knicks and the Lakers or something like that. It's

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not really the case anymore. You can be a franchise

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kind of unto yourself, like you know, the media help.

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Speaker 3: You can have. You can have huge, massive commercials. Yeah,

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as a shooting guard in Oklahoma City exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's you can have the most annoying commercial of all time.

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Speaker 3: I know, but it got a lot of play, is

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the thing? Like they oh yeah, your exposure. I like

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that point, Adam, Like, your exposure is clearly not limited anymore.

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It's just not it's not an issue.

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Speaker 1: Because twenty four hour news cycle we live in, everyone's

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on their phones.

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Speaker 3: I think. Also a huge thing that has changed is

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like the NBA, I think for a lot of fans

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is much more about players than it is teams. You

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know what I mean, Because it used to be like

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if you were uh Yoannest, you know, maybe outside of Milwaukee,

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like not as many people would be into you, but

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because of the caliber of player that he is, you

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have fans freaking everywhere, like Larry Johnson everywhere.

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Speaker 1: It makes me think of Larry Johnson for the Hornets. Dude,

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if Larry Johnson was playing now with this, everyone would like,

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like obviously he was a big star, but like his

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impact would have been Like it's just so that is

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a good point. Well, I guess we'll see what happens

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with this. The other big news which uh this is

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another thing that I had thought had already happened.

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Speaker 3: This was the one I was referring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, PJ. Tucker has been given permission to find a

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new team. I thought this, I thought this had already happened.

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Speaker 3: Let's go where he wants to contribute to winning.

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Speaker 2: I think you guys gave him at the beginning of

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last season.

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Speaker 3: Actually, we've been fine with this for a year. I

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think I gave him permission in the Philadelphia trade.

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Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, the timing of this was

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funny too. I genuinely feel like the team was like,

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oh shit, let's make an official I guess what was that.

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Speaker 2: Just to try to bury the lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: I think it was maybe just to add more information

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about the Clippers, just to make I don't know, but

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like it is funny that it came out like what

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an hour after the lawsuits stuff.

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Speaker 3: When do you guys think though they realistically gave him permission.

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Speaker 2: The All Star Break?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Last year absolutely, when he was sent home I

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think one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So once seeing if any team was willing to take

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on this salary, it would be a done go. Like

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it'd be a done deal.

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Speaker 1: Once the Nuggets trade for PJ Tucker? Are they unstoppable?

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Now that they have PJ Tucker and.

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Speaker 3: Russ Well, they have the only guy that can stop Jokic.

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So now he's unstoppable.

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Speaker 1: Shit, where do we see him going all right, ninety

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seconds and we'll never talk about PJ. Tucker again. Where

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do you think he's going? He wants to contribute to winning,

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which he's so bad he quite literally does the opposite

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of that.

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Speaker 3: Where is he going? It just depends like do we

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have to get like are we getting something back of

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value because there's no team that's.

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Speaker 1: Like we're getting We're getting cash considerations. He will be

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traded for cash considerations. You're not giving up an asset.

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Speaker 3: I can see the suns maybe sure.

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Speaker 2: I know where Adam Silver would recommend to go and

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what language he'd have to learn how to speak should

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he go to this place?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Can we trade him for someone to like, uh, like

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who players for, like Real Madrid or something like some

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Can we can you trade continentally? Like how that work?

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I don't know? I like where the quote is so funny?

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Sources LA Clippers granted permission for PJ. Tucker's agent, Andre Buck,

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to speak with other teams to facilitate working on a trade.

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Both sides continue working together while the veteran remains away

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from the team, waiting for an opportunity to contribute to

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waiting Boo hoo.

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Speaker 3: I also this is like such a bummer because I

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have been a pretty big fan of PJ. Tucker throughout

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his career. He has been like a player that I

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have like legitimately loved and rooted for. And it is

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a bummer that this is the way that it's all ending.

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And it's I gotta be real with you. It's through

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no fault of his own. It's not his fault that

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he got that contract. He played really well. It's not

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his fault that he got traded. It's not his fault

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that he's old. That's just what happens. Man. I do

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I like, I don't like the stuff where he was like,

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you know, kind of like talking to the media a

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bunch about his role and how unhappy he was and

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how he could contribute that stuff. You know, that stuff

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I don't like. But I just have to say, like

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in a vacuum, this situation is in no like, it's

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just not really PJ. Tucker's fault.

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Speaker 2: Is it his fault that he opted into eleven million

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dollars with a team he knows is not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Would you not? Would you turn?

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Speaker 2: That's fine? And I would also take the responsibility of

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not saying, well, now you have to trade me that

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I opted in. That's what I would not do.

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Speaker 3: That's how you make the league.

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Speaker 2: That's I guess I don't have.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the dog is out. I let the dog out

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of myself.

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Speaker 2: What we let it out?

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Speaker 1: I let the dogs out of myself. Yeah, thank god

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he's not with the team, though this would be a

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lot worse.

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Speaker 3: It's like a freaking MODELO over there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's working on lowriders.

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Speaker 3: You have a fin spirit.

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Speaker 1: That ad campaign as wild as hell. All right, we've

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gotten all of that stuff out of the way. We're

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gonna talk our next day feelings about Clippers versus Suns.

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We got a quick ad break and then next day

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feels about the first game against the Suns coming up

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in three two.

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Speaker 3: What hey, how's it going? Welcome back into Clips and Dip,

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your favorite Clippers podcast. We talked about the latest news

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surrounding the Clippers. Now it's time to travel backwards to

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a mere twenty four hours ago, when the Clippers lost

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their first game into it in a hard fought but

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a little bit hurt full loss against the Phoenix Suns. Adam,

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you've had a little bit of time to breathe. I know,

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that you were hurt by this one. Where are you

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at right now?

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Speaker 2: Still in pain? Only because you know it's insane to

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overreact to one game, but when it's a game that

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plays out in a lot of ways as we expected

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for months, with their defense being very good and their

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offense going through a roll where at one point they

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went six minutes without scoring in the second quarter, and

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then they still had a chance to pull it out

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somehow and you're up by nine with under four minutes left.

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That's one you have to win. I hope they learn

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from it. But going forward they're in a game like that,

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you just have to win it because those are the

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ones that I think about late in the year that

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got away from you and where you end up in

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the standings. It's that type of thing for me. I

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will have a hard time forgetting that. It was the

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first game and into a dome and everything else went awesomely,

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splendidly except for losing. It was an exciting game into dome,

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went off without a hitch. Everybody was having a great time.

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If they just win that game, it's the perfect night, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Harden had a chance the game winner bounced around.

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He did miss the crucial free throw, which didn't feel good.

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He I would have liked him to make that. But

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like you said, love the defense. The defense was awesome.

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Like we we believe in what they were talking about

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in the preseason and stuff like that. After seeing what

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the defense did and the offense, man some of those

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all bench lineups, little wonky there.

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Speaker 3: That those are questionably even NBA caliber teams, Adam. I

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gotta ask, though, after one game. I know we can't

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read too much into one game. How do you feel about, uh,

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the potentiality of KPJ in the starting lineup?

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Speaker 1: Potentiality?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I mean I was playing the long game.

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I know it sounded like a hot take and it

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got attention. I got to be responsible for that. I

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got to be accountable for that, and I need to

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be held accountable for that because I want a little

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bit of attention and it brought it my way, so

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now things go the wrong way. It couldn't seem like

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more of the same front I take. No, he didn't

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get nineteen points in the game like he averaged for

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an entire season.

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Speaker 3: It was not what I'm talking about. I'm saying ball dominant,

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poor shot selection, not great defense, not really setting up others.

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It seemed like more of the same from what we've

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seen of his skill set thus far in the league.

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Had I thought, I stand corrected, you.

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Speaker 2: Have one really nice assist. I think his defense was

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was okay. Uh, I think going one for eight because

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the problem with KPJ is he is a tough shot

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taker and can be a maker, but when those shots

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don't go, they look really bad, especially from somebody who

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00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:02,559
hasn't proven themselves in a Clippers uniform at all and

475
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,839
in the NBA, and.

476
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:07,319
Speaker 3: Who seems to have no interest in like offensively off ball,

477
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,039
who seems to have no if the ball is not

478
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,160
directly in his hand, seems to have absolutely zero intrist

479
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:12,920
and being on the court.

480
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: We gotta keep an eye on that. I wonder if

481
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,759
that was because I noticed that at the game. I

482
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:21,799
wonder if that was first game not feeling totally comfortable.

483
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,759
Speaker 3: I will say playbook, especially for those all benchlines, Yeah,

484
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,359
did not seem to be that well integrated, Like it

485
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,720
did not seem like guys knew where they were supposed

486
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,039
to go. Because I actually I thought Chris Dunn didn't

487
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,960
look like as good of an initiator as he has

488
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,640
been throughout his career, and I do to me, I

489
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,279
do blame the playbook or how much of it has

490
00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:47,319
been sort of implemented in that a little bit.

491
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't a well oiled machine that KPJ was stopping

492
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:51,880
with his shot attempts.

493
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,519
Speaker 2: No, right this first in, I don't blame him at

494
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,400
all for taking those shots. Who was he on the

495
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,559
floor with? Tell me who he was on the floor with,

496
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,039
and who should have been taking those shots instead?

497
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 3: You know what? That's fair enough? Yeah, like that, who's

498
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,759
gonna be able.

499
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,759
Speaker 2: To create out there? Zoom wasn't even out there his

500
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:11,480
first stint. It was like him, I kind of guy

501
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,279
sitting at home away from the team right now.

502
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,519
Speaker 1: Who could put up who put up more shots than

503
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:20,839
Paul George in the second half. I'm just kidding. I

504
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,759
can't even finish the bit. I can't even finish the bit.

505
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,839
Speaker 2: I just like that is why he's on the team

506
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,720
in those moments without James Harden, where nobody else is

507
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,160
a shot creator out there, and somebody has to at

508
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,160
least be able to get shots up, And I don't

509
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,440
know if the other guys really could without having their

510
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,039
shot blocked or just beeling so uncomfortable junkie.

511
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I.

512
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:48,839
Speaker 3: Think offensively, there cannot be stints without one of Norm

513
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,599
Powell or James Harden on the floor.

514
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: Or maybe Zoo Kai was good. That's not a knock

515
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,960
on Kai. I thought I liked what Kai did in

516
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,839
game one offensively.

517
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,599
Speaker 3: No, but do you still need someone to send him up?

518
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,200
You know what I mean?

519
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like that's a great point because we talk

520
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,880
about hard and scoring being needed, right though too his passing, Like,

521
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:12,160
who's the second best passer on this Clippers team and

522
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:15,519
how far below James Harden are they in terms of

523
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:17,319
making things happen with initiating?

524
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: Is it Chris Donne? I mean, like, as currently constructed.

525
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it might be KPJ to

526
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,079
Jordan Miller or Bones Island that passing.

527
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Like this thing is interesting because if KPJ continues not

528
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,960
saying that, he will like are we just as Bones

529
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,119
just DNP for the rest of the season, because.

530
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: Well that's the other thing too, is like Okay, well,

531
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:46,960
I mean I think from game one again, not to

532
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,599
overact from from game one.

533
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: Well, you've you've mentioned it's our year, so you don't

534
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,240
you're not overreacting at anything.

535
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: There's no way in my mind, Like, there's no way

536
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,119
in hell that KPJ should be ahead of a mirror

537
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:58,839
in the rotation.

538
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,799
Speaker 2: Can't do what he does. He can't.

539
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, many different players, I know, but we don't

540
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,200
need four guards. And if we're gonna have like four

541
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,880
small players plus a center, I don't think the KPJ

542
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,000
should be in that lineup.

543
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: I just I don't think their skill sets cross over

544
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:20,720
like their guards. But KPJ can run high, pick and

545
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,279
roll like he has average six assists per game multiple seasons,

546
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,880
like he is. He can play point guard an initiate

547
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,400
offense like I don't know. I like him here and

548
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,839
he was awesome. I mean, I get that, and I

549
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:39,759
think there's a real situation where Chris Dunn. The problem

550
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:43,519
is he's not a threat to really score on ball.

551
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,000
He's not a threat really a threat to score off

552
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,880
ball unless he's wide open. He did knock down his

553
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,880
three point where they left him open four oh and

554
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,960
that point of attack defense, yeah, he uh, he embarrassed

555
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:57,079
KD on a play. But if you're gonna play Jordan

556
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,720
Miller to me, and I hope this happens, and I

557
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,039
wish it happened last night. I wish Jordan Miller played

558
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:03,599
last night on I think.

559
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:06,799
Speaker 3: Honestly, with like with how things were going, I don't

560
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,759
see a strong enough argument against it.

561
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,119
Speaker 1: If a mirror's cold and Norma's cold and everyone else

562
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,920
is cold, right like from three or Jordan.

563
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: Miller, buttoom picked up three thousand his twenty minutes, and

564
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,640
we're all three of them off ball. The whistle on

565
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,960
Batoum was brutal when he was getting into it with

566
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,039
the officials. Now it's night one, you're trying to win

567
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,519
and chase a game. I want Nico Batoomb out there.

568
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,039
I get it. But maybe just to juice up the

569
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,880
offense during that six minute stretch, to see what Jordan

570
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,559
Miller could do when nothing was working in the second quarter.

571
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920
You give him a minute and just see what happens,

572
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,519
because how much worse could it possibly have gotten after

573
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,920
you've already gone six minutes without scoring. Yeah, but if

574
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,039
you do play him, to Will's point about Chris Dunn

575
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,680
bringing the ball to the floor, if you're not playing

576
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,000
KPJ or if you don't want bones because of his defense,

577
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,160
like a Jordan Miller at the two, maybe next two

578
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:06,960
Chris Dunn at the one with the backups, I'd try it.

579
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:11,559
Speaker 1: I like it. There were some good mixed bench and

580
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,839
starter lineups. Will you just kind of talked about not

581
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:21,400
having Norm or Carden off the court at any time. Harden, Norm, Derrek, Jones,

582
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Nico and Zoo played the second most minutes five of

583
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,759
any lineup plus six fun lineup. That lineup makes sense.

584
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:33,720
That's not a crazy it's not like that crazy difference.

585
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:38,880
And then Norm, dun Terrence, Emir and Zoo were plus

586
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,960
three and four minutes fourth most played lineup. Tyler was

587
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,079
shuffling guys out. The starters played ten minutes together or

588
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:52,039
whatever it was. So there is like there's some building blocks, right.

589
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:54,400
I think last night was a lot about building blocks

590
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,000
and the defense, but they do like the next most

591
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,759
important building block is the bench and starter lineups being

592
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,359
figured out, because it was when it's all bench, that's

593
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,359
when things get bad.

594
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, how long did they play all bench?

595
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: Let me look up the lineups?

596
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: Was that the KPJ lineup? Where I'm going like, who

597
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,039
is scoring in this lineup?

598
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely? That was all bench. That was like Kai was

599
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,839
at the five, it was Nico done, KPJ and I

600
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,440
think maybe a mirror.

601
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it in lineup daddy.

602
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:35,079
Speaker 1: One sec?

603
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:39,079
Speaker 2: Because I'm kind of surprised that even happened, like Will saying,

604
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,559
like normal, normal, James Harden should probably be out there.

605
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some all all right, hold on, hold

606
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,599
on all teams.

607
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,279
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's due to Zoo being pulled so

608
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,559
early like that, and that just had.

609
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: To a bit the whistle. Well, we talked about it,

610
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,400
remember we talked about worst case scenarios in our game pe.

611
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,559
Speaker 3: I do think Zoo is going to continue to be

612
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,039
the first up just based on just just based on

613
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,279
the data that we have historically.

614
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair.

615
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,559
Speaker 1: Uh but toom Chris don a mere coffee KPJ Kai

616
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,000
Jones played three minutes, they were minus three.

617
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: That could have been a lot worse.

618
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they made they brought Norman after that shift,

619
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:26,720
and that's when things got a little better for that lineup,

620
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,519
because I think Norm hit a couple buckets and they

621
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,559
had to kind of respect the spacing a bit. But

622
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,640
that's what game one is four right, and.

623
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,359
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's interesting. I'm not saying that it's easy.

624
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,640
I'm not saying that I have like a clear like

625
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,400
a lineup. Yeah, that that would have solved this thing.

626
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,119
But yeah, you're gonna sue the Clippers, especially I don't know, Yeah,

627
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,240
especially if you do end up having to split h

628
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,599
Hardened and Norm a little bit. I mean that puts

629
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,000
a little bit that that puts a little bit more

630
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:03,200
pressure on Harden and you know, it makes Norm have

631
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,559
to be more than a score first guy at times

632
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,039
at times, not obviously, not all the time, but at times.

633
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,480
So I you know, it's difficult, it's not it's not

634
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:18,160
an easy decision. And that's the thing, Like, that's the

635
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,640
thing that we were talking about right, Like this year,

636
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,119
the margins for this team are just so slim. It

637
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,519
could you know, it could be a three to six

638
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:33,000
minute shift over the course of an entire forty eight

639
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:36,160
minutes that loses you a game. And you know, I

640
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,920
know that that's the case for a lot of teams,

641
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:40,359
but it just hasn't been our case for a while.

642
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that.

643
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: Hey, KPJ goes one for eight and looks that bad

644
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:50,599
again on Saturday. I'm calling for bones like I don't

645
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,759
think you can wait, like.

646
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: The bone phone.

647
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,759
Speaker 3: I don't want still with the team, Like I just don't.

648
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,240
I don't get why he wouldn't get any look.

649
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: And he's played not insignificant minutes in the preseason.

650
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: And he looked decent in the last game. And I

651
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,920
just against Denver. They can't start one three and they

652
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,039
could be staring that in the face this weekend. It's

653
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,639
tough back to back. That's the other reason last night hurt,

654
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,440
because it's like, crap, they better get one this weekend

655
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,360
or they're starting oh for three before Portland.

656
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,559
Speaker 1: That just gave me heart. I never get Hartburn that instantly. Mate,

657
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,840
gave me some indigestion thinking about the three start.

658
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: Well, some think that's a reason not to play Jordan

659
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:37,119
Miller because he's unproven. Don't we all feel like Jordan

660
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,519
Miller can play now. He can help them now.

661
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: They look they were.

662
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: When we were walking out, they were fans just talking

663
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,159
to each other who were like they need Like where's

664
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:50,880
the Miller kid? Like he was. I was looking for

665
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Jordan Miller like yeah, like he yeah.

666
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,599
Speaker 2: However, none of that is the reason they lost that game.

667
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,840
They had it with three fifty two left. They had

668
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,079
it head point ly in the fourth too. Just execute,

669
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,199
don't throw that awful pass to a viatza zubotch James

670
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,679
Harden there just having a brain fart like and.

671
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,599
Speaker 3: A horrible hardened three, the.

672
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: Three point three from the thirty feet out.

673
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: The heat check that like, what heat are you checking?

674
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,039
That hit front rim? That was that was brutal. That

675
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:24,599
was not a good decision. But that's where, right, this

676
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:28,039
is where the fatigue factor comes in and things like that.

677
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,280
You know, like, yeah, and you saw Harden get tired

678
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,199
that fourth quarter possession, I think, or was it overtime.

679
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:39,599
He had the ball up top, he tried to take

680
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,559
it to the rim, got denied, passed it out, looped

681
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,280
back around, got the ball back, tried to take it

682
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,559
to the rim, got denied. Like he's got to embrace

683
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:50,519
the mid range a little bit more as the season

684
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:54,559
goes on. Or I also thought of an organized play

685
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:55,719
called right there, I guess.

686
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,119
Speaker 3: I also thought in the first half when he was struggling,

687
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:00,639
struggling a little bit, there were a couple times he

688
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:02,719
didn't get the call, and I thought he kind of

689
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,880
straight away from from going inside. I thought that he

690
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,760
was a little less aggressive and looking to pass out sooner.

691
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,039
So I hope that that changes because when when he

692
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,920
was more aggressive. I thought it looked a lot Obviously,

693
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,119
it looked a lot different totally when he doesn't have

694
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,920
the same step, you know, as he did when he

695
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,280
was younger. But still you got to go in there

696
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:22,920
with the intention.

697
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I remember we used to talk about

698
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:28,159
like those fake Paul George drives where he would go.

699
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,920
You're like, I can tell as soon as you get

700
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,079
the ball, you're just trying to get the whistle like

701
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,719
on this on this play. But yeah, the the hardened thing.

702
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,880
Law Murray tweeted this out, and I think I actually

703
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,719
have a pessimistic feeling about this. Harden never had more

704
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,480
than five turnovers in a game for the Clippers last season.

705
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:51,079
Speaker 2: Is that right?

706
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 3: Yes?

707
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,119
Speaker 1: I saw a law tweeted out and we immediately checked it.

708
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 3: With no training camp.

709
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,199
Speaker 1: I think that is more more of an exception than

710
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:07,800
the rule because he had eight yesterday. So yeah, I'm

711
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,280
not saying he's gonna happen ten turnovers or whatever, you

712
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,199
know what I mean, But like.

713
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,119
Speaker 2: No, some of that is definitely because how many shots

714
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,280
did he attempt per game last year? Was it eleven?

715
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,840
To get to his sixteen points? Like, turnovers aren't just

716
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,000
a passing thing. It's a tiring thing.

717
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,119
Speaker 1: Eleven point four and he's at after one game.

718
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: He's a he said a cool twenty eight, like that's

719
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,559
what wears you out, That's what's taxing. And that is

720
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:36,840
my biggest concern coming out of last night. They needed

721
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,840
so much from Harden to get back. He had twenty

722
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,400
five in the second half and was cooking Tias Jones

723
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,760
over and over again. They kept hunting the mismatch. It

724
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,559
was working, which makes that play against Kevin Durant with

725
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,960
that long three pointer more inexplicable because Phoenix was willing

726
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,079
to switch all day and give them Tias Jones if

727
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,280
you wanted it, and he was getting them. So I

728
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,480
some decision making mistakes. He was hard on himself postgame.

729
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

730
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate his leadership so far this year, Like it's

731
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,199
been pretty it's been pretty, Uh, I don't know, extensive.

732
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,719
I didn't expect it to be like this with James Harden.

733
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,079
Speaker 1: The Sons were also doing a thing too, where as

734
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,000
soon as Zoo would get the ball, they would kind

735
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,039
of like double they would just double him. They would crash.

736
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,880
Two guys would crash Zoo. I don't think he's really

737
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,119
used to that, right, Like we talk about Zoo needing

738
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,159
to be more of an offensive focus, other teams know

739
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,480
that too, so they're gonna make him uncomfortable with soft

740
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,119
doubles and making him make decisions. And it works in

741
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:34,800
the beginning. He recovered. He he went oh of three

742
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,719
to start and then made eight of nine shots, so

743
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,440
he figured it out a little bit. But they're gonna

744
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:44,480
teams are gonna blitz, blitz for what Zoo is a

745
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:45,960
lot more. This season.

746
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: They definitely got away with going small much more than

747
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,519
I would have liked down the stretch, like that process

748
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,320
was right, they should have been going to a beach

749
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:54,639
of Zoo.

750
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: Boss.

751
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,199
Speaker 2: They got Booker to foul out that way, but the

752
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,559
bad pass from Harden on the Jones steel that was tough.

753
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,199
And you got to take advantage of having the biggest

754
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,840
guy out there against a team like that, and they

755
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,119
really didn't. They really didn't do. So part of it's

756
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,400
on Zoo. The offensive foul and roy O'Neill like was

757
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,480
totally necessary.

758
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. Yeah, all right, final thoughts

759
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,199
on the on the game one before we move on

760
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,480
to this. Now, I'm terrified back to back, coming up

761
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,360
to speak ind for the Clippers.

762
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,199
Speaker 3: I mean, this is just how a lot of games

763
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,320
are gonna go, which is the part No I said this.

764
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,039
Speaker 1: I want to get your guys take because I said

765
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,760
this on the stream last night. Do you think the

766
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,199
Clippers will have more overtime games and by an extent,

767
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,840
more overtime losses than any other team in the NBA

768
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,840
this year? They have the defense to keep things close,

769
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,480
you know what I mean. They have the offense that

770
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:54,440
can kind of keep it close and maybe put you

771
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,679
over the edge. But it's like it's a perfect combination

772
00:39:57,199 --> 00:39:59,280
for a stressful lass regular season.

773
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: So they only had one last year, right that Lakers game?

774
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,079
The first game?

775
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: Uh No, didn't the Kings game where they a year

776
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,800
ahead or a year behind.

777
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: Two years ago? The one seventy five.

778
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how time works anymore.

779
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,639
Speaker 2: I feel like last year the only overtime game was

780
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,519
early in the season against the Lakers maybe, and they

781
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,880
lost it the one Paul George fouled out right away

782
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:29,000
with really bad foul early and overtime. Paul, Yeah, they

783
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:31,840
already got one in now. Yeah. I think that's a decent,

784
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,039
decent vet that the Clippers are going to lead the

785
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:35,559
league in overtime games.

786
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 3: So they have they will play more clutch minutes than

787
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,960
they have played in the last five years.

788
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: They had one overtime game, Yeah it was it was Lakers.

789
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,199
That was the only one they had.

790
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well, there's gonna be a lot of close games.

791
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:52,559
There's gonna be a lot of close games. They have

792
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,280
to execute and if you're off nine late like that,

793
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,679
because like their defense faltered a couple of times in

794
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,639
trends position because of bad shots on the offensive. Vent Yes,

795
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,679
your offense led to terrible defense on the other.

796
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:09,519
Speaker 3: End, James, honestly, like the event that the man the

797
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:12,400
system himself was guilty of a few.

798
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: Of those, Yeah, absolutely friggin lutely.

799
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: Which I would assume he'll be better than that.

800
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, game one, new crowd, new arena. You know, we'll

801
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,440
figure it out, thankfully. I guess they have two away

802
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,119
games this weekend that we're about to talk about. We

803
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,880
got a quick ad break for the audio listeners. Want

804
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,400
to give another just a quick shout out to if

805
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,000
you're new to this pod, thank you so much for

806
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hanging out. We're available audibly. We're available visually and audibly

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the YouTube on mute. But it's a good time. We

809
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,679
welcome everyone new. If you're an opposing fan and you're

810
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,199
trying to make the clip flip. Something Will and I

811
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,280
used to do on our first Clippers podcast where we

812
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,960
would bring a non Clippers fan on and try and

813
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,719
convince them to become a Clippers fan. Worked every time. Welcome, Come, hang,

814
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We're coming at you a couple times a week. It's

815
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,320
a good pod. And if you've stayed with us through

816
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,719
this whole time, as Will says, we appreciate you. Coming up.

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00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,280
We're talking the back to back and giving our James

818
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,599
harden Kawhi Leonard Player of the Game back to back

819
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,440
picks for both games. There's some quick ads on the

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audio coming up in three two one.

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00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: Welcome back. In It's Clips and Dips Season three, episode

822
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,880
twenty two. I'm adam awesome. We've got Will Updyke and

823
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,159
Charles Mockler here and the first back to back of

824
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:36,599
the season.

825
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: Here's my government name, I guess, big Chuck Mockler.

826
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,559
Speaker 2: Saturday's game is in Denver. Not only is it in Denver,

827
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:48,599
and they have to deal with the altitude and Joker

828
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:51,320
and Yokich and a team that's healthy to start the year.

829
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,599
I think for the most part, they're playing tonight. Uh,

830
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,199
they have to deal with an early afternoon start. They

831
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,760
can't get away from it. You can't ever get away

832
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,159
from it.

833
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: I actually think they're not They might have the advantage

834
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,320
for this early afternoon start. Tell me it's the Nuggets

835
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,559
play the Thunder Friday at seven pm. I think that

836
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,079
night that I thought they were the second night of

837
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,440
a back to back. No, no, Google did be wrong.

838
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,280
Oh yeah, no, we're screwed. I take everything back. I

839
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:31,440
tag everything I just said back. Why is this game

840
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,079
being played at two pm?

841
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 2: Is this Dodgers World Series related? There's your Dodgers fault.

842
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,679
It's your Dodgers fault.

843
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: Playing in Denver? Why is this game at two pm?

844
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Is there a rodeo? Is there an avalanche? Is it

845
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,079
the Abs home?

846
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah, good old Abs, Patrick Patrick Waugh. It could

847
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,000
be that. Ah, the as.

848
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: Avalanche schedule. It's not because of that.

849
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: It's because of the clickers. They just can't help themselves.

850
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: That's fair. So what could go well in this Nuggets

851
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:24,000
versus Clippers game? Historically it has not gone well? What

852
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,760
what do we think the Clippers can do to beat

853
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,280
this Nuggets team?

854
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,679
Speaker 2: Big Zoo performs against Jokic, says he has in the

855
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,480
fast He's always risen to the challenge against Nikola Jokics.

856
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:40,920
Not always, but you know, relative to what most people

857
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,440
are able to do against, he legitimately has the best

858
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,639
defensive numbers against Jokic in the league. Now, that probably

859
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,000
means he's going for fifty on Saturday now because I

860
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,199
said that, but he has held his own. I don't

861
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,719
know what it is. They have to start faster on

862
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,000
the offensive end, though, So if Big Zoo could have

863
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:01,280
a big game and get it going early to get

864
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,960
them into their offense, that'd be great.

865
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: Norm too, because that was on hand too, because he

866
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,239
did not look great to start. I like that.

867
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: I tweeted it from the Clippers pod account. We love

868
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,599
Big Zoo. Rough start, Norm Powell. I believe he also

869
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,039
went one for seven from three in the first game

870
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:17,840
against the Suns.

871
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was rough.

872
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: If Norm can get two quick threes to start this game,

873
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,599
I will feel so much better about the Clippers hanging

874
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:31,079
in on this one. And if they're well manufactured, good process,

875
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,159
as we like to talk about on this pod.

876
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:38,039
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit concerned that the defensive effort he

877
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,719
had to put out, which was very good against Phoenix,

878
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,239
against a Booker and Bill a lot, took something out

879
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,360
of his legs. It's one game, but one for seven

880
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,519
from three and he was short on a couple of them.

881
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,719
It's like, this is what happens when you have to

882
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,519
play defense.

883
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching the short ones, I agree with you, like

884
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,639
some of those shots. Maybe if you wish he was

885
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:01,920
kind of back on the bench.

886
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: Be careful what you wish for.

887
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,639
Speaker 2: U's kind of what Brian Shaw was saying.

888
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, and you look at I mean, unfortunately

889
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,360
for the Clippers, we're also playing a team that is

890
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,039
not exactly shallow depth wise.

891
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:24,639
Speaker 2: I thought you meant like they judged everyone based on

892
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:25,199
their looks.

893
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no, well who amongst us, but the bench

894
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:35,119
minutes might be And also we have to play.

895
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:37,639
Speaker 3: Russ.

896
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: There is I was.

897
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 3: Gonna say, how do we not bring up the most

898
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,000
important expector of the entire game.

899
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: Russ is either gonna go one for eight game or

900
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,920
he's gonna put up sixteen, twelve and ten, and we're

901
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,159
gonna be the The Clippers are gonna be the catalyst

902
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,280
for the six Man of the Year Cheddar until he

903
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,719
goes back to doing his normal thing. But I'm worried

904
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,000
about that. There's not a lot of There's not a

905
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:05,679
lot of x's and o's to go off since they

906
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:09,800
haven't played a game yet. But I'm worried about that.

907
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:15,360
Strather is an absolute baller two off the bench for

908
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,159
the Nuggets.

909
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,119
Speaker 2: He was going at it with Jordan Miller in the

910
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:19,039
Summer League.

911
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: So yes, he can get a bucket.

912
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: People think that you know their rain is over. They

913
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,000
keep losing a free agent every year, first with Bruce Brown,

914
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:33,639
then KCP. As long as Jokic is healthy, guys, they

915
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:36,480
are a contender. They are in the mix. And if

916
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,400
Jamal Murray has his legs and can do what he

917
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,760
does against the Lakers, against you know, the majority of

918
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,280
the rest of the league here in trouble.

919
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:49,159
Speaker 1: I mean, and like Aaron Gordon, who like, we we

920
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,679
just played a small team, right, The Nuggets are not

921
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,199
a small team. The Nuggets are a big ass team.

922
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:57,639
Speaker 3: And this is a terrible matchup for the Clippers that

923
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:58,800
is currently constructed.

924
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:03,199
Speaker 1: That's even worse than it usually is in terms of matchups.

925
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: Gotta start con next to Zoo. I guess.

926
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: We gotta let Zoo shoot threes and we gotta get.

927
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: We gotta basically so we have to stop everything because

928
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,000
that lineup is just not smarting.

929
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm I was thinking hard on some positives

930
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,159
for this matchup, and it's it's difficult. Not because the

931
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,320
Clippers are a bad team. We know they're gonna play

932
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,360
with defensive intensity.

933
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: The Duggets also look at their home record, like.

934
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: Even when they're bad, they're good there.

935
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:39,559
Speaker 3: Take care of business at home.

936
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,159
Speaker 2: I think the best thing that can happen for the

937
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:47,800
Clippers is that Denver beats okay see tonight handily and

938
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,480
looks like, hey, we're fat and happy a little bit.

939
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:55,239
We're good. We got our signature win on TNT. That's

940
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,679
what I'd like to see having. So they take the

941
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:58,440
Clippers lightly.

942
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, you want yeah, you want us

943
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,000
to be underestimated.

944
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: I would like that.

945
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:07,559
Speaker 3: I would forfer.

946
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, media are doing it true.

947
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,599
Speaker 1: Well now, okay. The other funny part about the Kawhi

948
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:19,559
lawsuit thing is like Stephen A. Smith right complains that

949
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,159
Kawhi is the worst superstar of all time because he

950
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,599
doesn't play, he's gonna flip his narrative.

951
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:30,119
Speaker 2: If he does, the receipt Master may have to pull

952
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:31,159
some clips.

953
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:36,559
Speaker 1: Re st Master. The Clippers then are playing the Warriors,

954
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,960
which feels better than playing the Nuggets. The Warriors did

955
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:44,239
just beat the ever living hell out of the Trailblazers,

956
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:48,920
which isn't saying a whole bunch. But what I'm worried

957
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,760
about in the Warriors game is the three point attempt battle.

958
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:53,639
Speaker 3: M H.

959
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't think we're winning the attempt battle. And again,

960
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,519
there's only one game of sample size. I'm not sure

961
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,079
we're winning the percentages either.

962
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: Golden State took forty eight threes against Portland, Holy geez,

963
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,800
and Hitch twenty of them.

964
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: It's a lot.

965
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: We do have a a stratospherically better defense than the

966
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,679
Blazers do. I think we can all agree on that,

967
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,840
but Steph hates us. But the Warriors are also not

968
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:30,760
a very big team. Grasping at straws here. We need

969
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,920
to find something positive for this back to back.

970
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:37,679
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I can't believe they started Wiggins with

971
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,880
tray Jackson Davis and Draymond Green against Portland. I did

972
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,960
not see that starting lineup coming and they sell Kaminga,

973
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,719
So like all those guys are what what's coaminga? He's

974
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,440
the shortest guy out there and he's six seven. True,

975
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,679
it's just steph shit, I don't know that was gonna happen.

976
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

977
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: This is this bullshit. Start buddy healed.

978
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: Come on, it's oar buddy heel To'll be fun?

979
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: Can you even coach Kerr? Well, you think you're all

980
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,960
high and mighty because you're kicking on Portland one thirty

981
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:12,639
nine one four that starting lineup?

982
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,039
Speaker 1: You're Jim Park Now.

983
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 5: I don't know.

984
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: I'm worried about these games, guys, both these teams because

985
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:26,119
freaking Shane Young said they're gonna win fifty young fifty

986
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:28,920
one games the Golden State Warriors and they're gonna be

987
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,400
the three seed in the West. When I was thinking

988
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,719
the entire time, you know, playing that's insane.

989
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:35,559
Speaker 3: Fifty one games is insane.

990
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: Fifty one is crazy. Tell Shane I did, I I

991
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:46,079
am crazy? Yeah? We and we. I mean it's funny

992
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,719
because we've played one game and we already know that

993
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,679
Evergreen needs for the Clippers right, can't have a sticky

994
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,639
half court offense. Transition offense. Keep it moving, let's do

995
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,679
our thing. Let's cause the turnovers. Let's get easier buckets.

996
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,639
I said this on the stream. Messy defense leads to

997
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:05,360
smooth buckets for this Clippers team. You muck it up

998
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,639
on defense, you get the turnover, you make things difficult,

999
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:12,000
you get hopefully an easier transition bucket. On the end,

1000
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:16,000
they can't when when the offense has to stop in

1001
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:20,239
the half court, it's just so hard to get a bucket.

1002
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: To grind, and not in the grindhouse sort of way.

1003
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:26,079
It's not cool. It's bad.

1004
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:27,639
Speaker 3: It's not cool.

1005
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: Everything that happened in game one just confirmed how much

1006
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,800
the Clippers are short a shot creator right now, a

1007
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,159
reliable one next to James Harden, and how much they're

1008
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:41,880
missing Kawhi Leonard. Like the half court offense. I just

1009
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,000
I worried. James had to play forty minutes already and

1010
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,239
it's only the first game. Now we have a back

1011
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,280
to back coming up. I guess good teams on the road.

1012
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:55,239
I don't know. I don't you know what. We got

1013
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,599
a lean positive here. We got to find some positives here.

1014
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,039
Norman is not going one for seven from three.

1015
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:05,599
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, yeah, he says, I want less air. I

1016
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:13,840
want less Yeah, I don't know this one the well,

1017
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,440
which matchup?

1018
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel better about?

1019
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:16,079
Speaker 3: Which one?

1020
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 5: Do you?

1021
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,079
Speaker 3: Because I think they're gonna split. I still feel better

1022
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,800
about the Warriors because again, the construction and the size

1023
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,559
of the team I think is a little bit more.

1024
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,760
It's a little bit more in this current iteration of

1025
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,440
the Clippers like what we're kind of more equipped to handle.

1026
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'll take the other side. I like Denver

1027
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:40,199
because they're first.

1028
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 6: About I mean, I think going Denver, you know, I

1029
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,199
think in Denver, if things start getting out of hand,

1030
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,480
it's time to call it early.

1031
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,159
Speaker 1: You think the white flag comes out?

1032
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,679
Speaker 2: Maybe actually you know what the thin air is going

1033
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,239
to happen, and it has to play.

1034
00:53:59,079 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 3: Both of these.

1035
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I'm sorry, there's no way around it.

1036
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: Like unless you're unless you're I don't know, unless you're

1037
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,719
fine to split and you're sure you can win that

1038
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,159
first one. Uh, James Harden has to play both of

1039
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:17,519
these games. So I think, yeah, if things get out

1040
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:20,159
of hand, it's it's time to call it. Maybe it's

1041
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,599
time to pull the plug, maybe a little earlier than

1042
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:23,199
you would.

1043
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:26,519
Speaker 1: Which Tyler will do. Tyler will wave the white flag

1044
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:28,880
with like nine minutes left in a game, and we'll

1045
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,840
see Jordan Miller win the game for the Clippers.

1046
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: What was the game in Denver? I think in twenty

1047
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,960
twenty three, dude, where the Clippers didn't It was built

1048
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,679
as a huge game. It's on TNT and the Clippers

1049
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:43,360
were down twenty like in the first quarter.

1050
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: Exactly what you're talking about.

1051
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,519
Speaker 2: It sucked and he pulled everybody I think in the

1052
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:49,280
second half. He didn't start as starters.

1053
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,039
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, oh good. I'm just looking at some tweets.

1054
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:56,840
Noticeable difference in pace for the Nuggets. Four minutes into

1055
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,719
the season. They're playing faster.

1056
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,599
Speaker 3: Damn it. Good.

1057
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: The rest effect, Jamal God, Jamal hitting the spot up three,

1058
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:07,159
Christian bron looking good.

1059
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Adam, You're gonna have.

1060
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: Some difficulty finding a positive thing to say at the

1061
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,239
end of this episode, but do okay now the most

1062
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,679
important part because again, our game previews, once we have

1063
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,000
actual stats and trends, are a little more in depth

1064
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:23,519
with the x'es and o's and things like that. It's

1065
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:28,719
games two and three for the Clips. Adams just kisses

1066
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,440
straight up. We're giving out gold stars for anything at

1067
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,039
this point, Adam, since you had to go last last time,

1068
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:40,480
who is your pick for the James harden Kawhi Leonard

1069
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:43,360
player of the game for both games?

1070
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: Who is my last pick? Oh? It was a mere coffee.

1071
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: He was perfect, was phenomenal.

1072
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,039
Speaker 2: Four four, two of two from three I picked.

1073
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:55,599
Speaker 1: I mean nineteen nine pretty good too.

1074
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: All right, no bad. I did talk up Bigs in

1075
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,840
the matchup against Niko Jokich. I feel like I should

1076
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,239
go with Big Zoo and they just have to start faster.

1077
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,719
They can't get down early or else they are gonna

1078
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,119
pull guys. I can't see that. I don't want to

1079
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,639
see that. This is game two of the regular season.

1080
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,239
We got to bounce back and just not just start

1081
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,480
to get that feeling that you know, while it's early

1082
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,039
in the season, they are going to have a lot

1083
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,039
of trouble scoring. I just need more consistency from their

1084
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:29,320
offense from the get go so they can have that

1085
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,400
confidence throughout the rest of the game that we can

1086
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,719
create that we can score out there, that it's not

1087
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,199
going to be the grind that Adam said it was

1088
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,880
going to be. That's what I need from this team

1089
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,559
and I need big Zoo play through them. They tried

1090
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:44,039
early on. He did not perform very well and picked

1091
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,719
up those two fouls and was completely out of sourts.

1092
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,079
Speaker 1: Bounce back in the third quarter the whole That's what

1093
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,480
gives me faith is the team really locked down on

1094
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:54,679
rebounding and cosin turners in the third quarter. Will who

1095
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,199
is your James harden Kawhi Leonard player of the game

1096
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,280
for the back to backs?

1097
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna double down and say Derek Jon Junior Again.

1098
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,079
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, we haven't even talked about him.

1099
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,639
Speaker 3: Really just talking about I do think with these back

1100
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:14,119
to backs, like the younger, the more athletic guys are

1101
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,960
really going to have to show what they can do,

1102
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,480
and we know about the finishing. I just I hope

1103
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:21,199
that he can help things speed up. I hope that

1104
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:24,440
the three point shooting continues to be real and he

1105
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:28,119
can be one of the tone setters defensively for this team.

1106
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,840
I yeah, it's weird to pick him for three games

1107
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,480
in a row, but I liked what I saw game one.

1108
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:38,280
We need a little bit more and I think that

1109
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,840
look like these guys are the other rotation guys, like

1110
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,000
maybe not the highest ceiling players are like, what is

1111
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:50,559
going to get this Clippers team over the hump in

1112
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:53,039
a lot of games, it's it's gonna be the minutes

1113
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,400
how much you lose by when I mean, it's going

1114
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,800
to be how much you're losing by when when one

1115
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,280
of Hardened or norm isn't on the floor. And so yeah,

1116
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,280
I think Derek jonester is gonna be important if he's

1117
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,559
used with bench minutes great, uh And if he does

1118
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:13,800
primarily play with the starters, like how much he helps

1119
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,920
them win those minutes by it's gonna be absolutely massive.

1120
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: It's a good call. I'm going Terrence Man, I think

1121
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:26,440
for both games, if they're gonna have a fighting chance

1122
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:28,639
for both of them, Terrence Man is gonna have to

1123
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:33,880
take more than one three, grab more than a couple rebounds,

1124
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,599
and just push the pace a little bit as a

1125
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:39,679
ball handler. Make a decisions in transition with it, because

1126
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:41,719
I'm sure we're gonna see a scenario where it's like, oh,

1127
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,079
things aren't working with the other points when, like you said,

1128
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:47,159
when Normer or James isn't on the floor, and Terrence

1129
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,679
Man is the guy who's been in the system the longest.

1130
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,559
This is kind of Taylor made if he's gonna make

1131
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:56,199
this jump. This weekend is a good litmus test for

1132
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:57,760
that for this team.

1133
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: He ended up a plus seven and lost by three.

1134
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,159
That's impressive because he got subbed out around where he

1135
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,239
fouled out what the two and a half minute mark

1136
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:12,960
of the fourth quarter before things took a turn for

1137
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,519
the worse when they caught up and tied it. Yeah,

1138
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:20,519
I like that call when the Clippers were rolling in

1139
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:23,360
this era. It always feels like Terrence Man has his

1140
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,920
fingerprints on it when they're playing well. And he might

1141
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,360
be pissed after fouling out too, because while the last

1142
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,159
foul was obvious, there were a couple in there that

1143
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:35,119
seemed kind of ticki tac. That is a concern. Guys

1144
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:36,960
like they just want to play physical on defense.

1145
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:37,239
Speaker 1: Cool.

1146
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: Are the Rep's gonna let you that night? How many

1147
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,159
free throws in Phoenix get thirty five? I know there

1148
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:44,480
were five extra minutes, but they had thirty and they

1149
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:48,400
might add twenty eight after the fourth quarter. It's scary

1150
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:53,159
because it's just there's nothing you could do about it.

1151
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:54,639
Speaker 3: You can't control his defense.

1152
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:57,199
Speaker 2: In this league, it's a judgment call.

1153
00:59:58,159 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: It's illegal to play defense.

1154
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: I feel like Phoenix. Gotta play some defense, all right.

1155
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,199
Speaker 1: Let us know your thoughts on Twitter, at Clippers Pod.

1156
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,079
Let us know your thoughts in the comments at Clippers

1157
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:15,639
Podcast on YouTube. We're going to be back. Maybe do

1158
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,559
a live stream after one of these games. We'll see

1159
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:19,239
what happens.

1160
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: Adam, come on Saturday night on Clippers Talk.

1161
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:25,599
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1162
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: They won't kick me out right.

1163
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: Away, Saturday freaking afternoon with having.

1164
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon, Let's make that work.

1165
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: Well. Before we get to the positive thing, where can

1166
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:41,000
people demand that their significant others and close family members

1167
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:46,199
listen to their podcasts so they can finally relate to them. Oh,

1168
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:46,760
you're muted.

1169
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: Rate your family members and significant others till they listen

1170
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,559
to this podcast. They can do such over at Apple

1171
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:59,639
Podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts. Best place, though,

1172
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,800
check us out as a YouTube dot commislage at Clippers Podcast.

1173
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,719
You can subscribe there, see us on video, and you

1174
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:09,000
can comment on every single episode. So however, you can

1175
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,800
consume the show though, we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: There we go, and Adam, one positive thing heading into

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this back to back against the Warriors and the Nuggets

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in reverse order.

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Speaker 2: I think We'll said it earlier that you know, there's

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gonna be a lot of these type of games this season.

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And while that can be looked at as a negative

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because they lost the one last night that they should

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have had, it does lend itself to an exciting brand

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of basketball where you always feel like your heart's beating

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out of your chest. And I think they're going to

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be much better in these situations, and hopefully it's game one.

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You learn from it and it gives them the tape

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they need to make those corrections, and everything was very fixable.

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With a lot of self inflicted mistakes down the stretch.

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There's no reason that they can't figure it out. So

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get it out of your way. A bad loss like

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that only because you're up by nine with under four

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minutes left and don't make it a habit. Figure it

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out and their defense is going to keep them in

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games this season. So we're going to see the Clippers

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in a lot of clutch time miutes. Like wilsaid, there

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we go.

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Speaker 1: We will be back at some point on this weekend,

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and if not, we'll be back on Monday. I will

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be in Montan which will be very fun. Thank you

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all for listening. As always, let's go