Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season three,
episode twenty two of Clips and if We're coming at you.
Oh and one, the Clippers lost their first game. It
into it officially defeated, into that. It is our year.
It is starting not how you would want it to,
per Will. But we're gonna talk about our next day
feelings about the loss to the Suns. We're gonna be
previewing the back to back. I am Chuck Mockler, joined
by Adam Mausen and Will Updyke. We have the full
crew here tonight. Fellas I usually ask how you're doing,
but we got to talk about the Kawhi Leonard related
lawsuit up top. There was a here here there was
not today. Uh, there was a flurry of Clippers new news.
We got news that someone is suing the Clippers for
how they've handled Kawhi's injuries. And then the team, I
feel like, felt like they needed some better pr so
they immediately released information that they're trying to find a
trade partner for PJ. Tucker. The Kawhi lawsuit. I don't know, Adam,
do you want to break down the background a little
bit like it's a former trainer who's suing the team
for bait. What it seems like is negligence for the
most part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wrongful termination. I guess Chris Haynes had the report
about five hours ago. Former trainer Randy Shelton, to quote
Chris Haynes in the article, is suing the franchise for
wrongful termination, among other things, after he claims he was
fired after complaining that Kawhi Leonard was being subjected to
unsafe and illegal treatment for injuries. I read the entire thing.
They mentioned the type of treatment they did. It was
bio something according to him in the lawsuit. Okay, there's
a lot of You had a perfect tweet about it.
What did you say, Chuck?
Speaker 1: So the issue with this lawsuit is they said this
trainer is saying that the Clippers hastened Kawhi's recovery, which
if you followed the Clippers, doesn't feel like what happened, right,
will his recovery or his return uh everything, the return
the recovery will. As a Clippers fan, would you say
you felt that they've rushed Kawhi Leonard to getting back
to the basketball court throughout his injuries?
Speaker 3: Look, no, I mean I think if there was any
one who would be rushing it, it would probably be
Kawhi in his camp, and I know a lot of
I know for some fans that sounds far fetched or
hard to believe, but there is nobody who wants to
be on the floor more and faster than Kawhi Leonard Like,
that's just I'm sorry, that's just the fact of the matter.
You're not one of the best players if that's not
like your mindset and your mentality. That's what he lives
and breathes for. So I think if or was anyone,
it would most likely be on that side of things.
I can't see the Clippers as an organization. Look, I'm
not saying they're perfect. You know, the fact that many
fans had no names of the athletic staff is enough
of an indication that they're probably not perfect, right, But
at the same time, I still don't think they're the
organization that's going to push a player, especially a high
profile player, a player that you've built, you've now you know,
put essentially your franchise on the back of. I just
can't see them rushing that person back or taking any
sort of unreasonable, you know, any sort of unreasonable measure
and that's that's sort of where what you have to
hit right, Like, let's say this did somehow go to
a lawsuit and this was part of it in civil court.
It's a preponderance of the evidence. It's more likely true
than not correct.
Speaker 4: So sure would you sitting there today, sitting there today,
October twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, I think it's more
likely than not that the Clippers rushed.
Speaker 3: Kawhi Leonard back, Like I just I'm not seeing.
Speaker 1: It, and he's such Kawhi specifically is so particular about
his health. If he got any kind of vibe, remember
what happened with the Spurs when he goes getting the
feeling that they were trying to rush him back, he said, fu,
I'm gonna leave. Like and this is hater to Kawhi
if you've and I don't say that with a negative connotation,
but we've all we all used to sit and wait
for him and PG to come out after game. Like
whatever Kawi wanted he gets from the Clippers, you can
view that however you want, good or bad. That's been
the case the whole time. I don't think they would.
I think they're not messing with his health.
Speaker 2: I would encourage people to remember a certain game in
the second half of the twenty two to twenty three season.
I believe it was in Memphis where Kawhi didn't play
the second half out of nowhere. His teammates didn't know.
It didn't seem like coach Lou knew. And this is
somebody you're saying that could be rushed back by the
organization who just didn't play a second half out of nowhere.
You think that's plausible. Like, I don't know what the
truth is. It's a lawsuit. We'll see how it plays out.
But between that the comment about how he needed seven
hundred and thirty days off after the ACL and therefore
they rushed him back by not keeping him out for
two entire years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's two thousand and six we're going.
Speaker 2: And then also the wording of he played significant minutes
in his first two games back from the ACL, which
were games where he came off the bench against the
Lakers and then against the Suns where he could play
no more than twenty one minutes. I don't know if
I'd say that significant minutes. It just seems like I
don't know a lot of the verbiage in there about
how he was lured away from San Diego State where
he had a prestigious position there. It just seems like
the guy, I don't know, he's playing the victim quite
often here in the lawsuit, and that's what he's claiming,
and he's gonna have to prove it. And from what
we know about the situation, just from what we've observed
with Kawhi Leonard and how it's been handled over the
last five years. I mean, everyone's been talking about how
they load manage him too much, how he's not playing enough,
and now you have a guy saying he's actually been
playing too much. It just it's hard to reconcile that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel it just it feels like going it
feels like settlement search.
Speaker 3: Well I don't know, so like we don't know the
details of the wrongful termination. Okay, like that part, Sure
that might be legit. I have no idea, But like
a lot of stuff like this, it makes for a
great headline, but it's not that strong for your case
because if there was any sort of significant evidence of this,
you would get paid out before there was ever a thing.
Because if this goes to core Green or lose, you
have to give deposition. People from the Clipper staff are
gonna have to give deposition if this Kaui thing is
somehow in it, which I don't think it will be.
I don't see a judge including that, but if it was,
he would also have to give deposition, like you know
what I mean, Like, it's not a nothing thing, and
so you know, well, I think that maybe parts of
it that you know there there could be a nugget
of truth. I don't know, you know, I'm not I'm
not there. I have no clue, so I can't really
speak on that. But I think like adding on a
bunch of stuff like this is you know, not only
not great for your case, but it's just not a
good look in general.
Speaker 1: And we have the whole lawsuit is the other Chris
Haynes just tweeted out the whole lawsuit like and I can't.
Speaker 3: Imagine to be fair, these things are a matter of yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 2: It all. It tooks like forty five minutes to read
the whole thing. Though it's not as you know, drowning
you on paperwork as you would assume for a lawsuit
this case, I guess, But I like what will said
there just seems like maybe hurd of his own case,
acting like he has an axe to grind within some
of the wording that's going on there.
Speaker 1: But we'll see and also look at like there's owners
in all sports where you you you read about them,
and you say, I don't know if that person really
has a handle on maybe everything in the organization. Steve
Ballmer does not strike me as someone who would have
a legal team that would be easily defeated. Let's just
say in matters like this, it's just, yeah, it feels
like a cash grab to me personally, it feels like
some kind of cash grab.
Speaker 3: I hope nothing the extra area, you know what I mean,
Like if this was just a wraw ful termination, then
it's kind of like, you know, I have no idea,
we don't know enough to speak on it. But when
you add in like sort of this extraneous stuff, it's
kind of like, Okay, so you're you're telling me that
they fired you to like cover up that they were
like rushing him back against your advisement. I don't know,
I don't.
Speaker 1: Look of the timing the into it Dome opened yesterday,
you know what I mean? Like this is I just
think that helps for you know, like this was gonna
get eyes anyway. But the timing of it, You're like, okay,
so the day after the regular season starts, we get this.
It's not a yeah right like it was. He didn't
just wake up and deal with it. I don't know.
I hope everything gets resolved and no one Couhi doesn't
have to waste his time being deposed.
Speaker 2: The Clippers statement statement is pretty strong, by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You want to read it. They didn't. They just say
like we paid him.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, we said, quote, mister Shelton's claims were investigated
and found to be without merit. We ordered mister Shelton's
employment contract and paid him in full. This lawsuit is
a belated attempt to shake down the Clippers based on
accusations that mister Shelton should know are false. That's firm.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if they and they they're saying they
paid him out, which there's record of, I'm assuming.
Speaker 3: It was cash.
Speaker 2: Dude, big worm paid him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I call big worm. But yeah, like again, I'm
not I'm not trying to defend like a three billion
dollar team or whatever. But this this all the will
that point about like all this extra Kawai stuff. It's
like it feels just a little like come on, man,
like they were shooting him up with like wacky stuff
to try and like Kawhi if this this guy was
Kawhi's trainer.
Speaker 2: Also, that's not till twenty seventeen. That part also interests me.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, what shit.
Speaker 2: He was? Yeah, that's what it said from what I
read in the lawsuit, he was till twenty seventeen. And Okay,
the timing of that that includes some of that time.
What's the spurs and the murkiness surrounding the injury? So
what happened then and then the Clippers brought him in
a couple of years later when they got him, when
they got QUI, I don't know. That's Yeah, there's a
lot that's unresolved here.
Speaker 1: Adding the tampering part I think is so funny.
Speaker 2: Which apparently is you know, it's not part of the lawsuit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he just added that hurt them.
Speaker 3: And that's another one of those things where it's like, man,
you are really muddy in the waters with Like I
could see this being a legitimate claim if it was
like maybe a little bit more streamline.
Speaker 1: Narrow focus, right, like not as because it is funny
to me, like I wish I could sue NBA teams
for tampering. I would sue every team in the league
for tampering as a private citizen.
Speaker 2: Chris Haynes said, lawyers for Raiden, excuse me, Randy Shelton.
Speaker 1: Okay, if Raydon was suing the Clipippers, we would be
in big trouble.
Speaker 2: When it came faster the lightning, you know. Randy Shelton
says he's willing to talk with the NBA about his
knowledge of how the Clippers recruited Kawhi quote, though not
part of Damage's relief sought by Shelton, he'll fully cooperate
with the NBA should league investigators consider prosecution and sanctions
against the Clipper.
Speaker 3: Wasn't this already investigated? Wasn't wasn't this already investigated by
the NBA? I am I making that up?
Speaker 1: We do a quick Google. Well, it's going to be
flooded with all these new results.
Speaker 2: I thought, I think you're right. There's a lot of
things that happened today that I thought already had happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, shit, yeah, I can't wait to get into
some of the other ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think you're and like it's just also like.
Speaker 3: Because we know it was aggressive, like we know, but again,
every game tampers.
Speaker 1: That's why that's why free agency starts at five PM
and every dealing with like five two.
Speaker 3: That's that's something. I mean, you know, like we just
we happened to be the most plugged into the Clippers.
We knew that, Yes, for an entire season, someone was
there at Kauhi's games, Like we know that. That's that's
nothing new, you know, it's to me, it's it's strikingly
similar to like Philly's courtship of Paul George last year.
It's like, yeah, there were no secrets, like we know
what you were doing. You were doing it the whole time,
and that's you know, like, I is it fine? Is
it not? Like I really can't tell you. I think
it depends and the league needs to either come up
with a bright line rule or just continue to do nothing.
And either way, I think it's fine. I just think
you can't pick and choose, you know what I mean,
Like you can either you can either say, hey, we're
not really gonna care about this stuff unless you do
something really blatant car or something yeah, like yeah, but
if there's no bright line rule of what you can
and cannot do, then I just think it's I think
it's really weird to try and like I don't know,
to try to dredge this stuff up for some sort
of like punitive effect.
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna penalize teams for having scouts at every game,
like exactly, like you've been to a game, you see, Oh, well,
the Pacers are here at this Clippers versus.
Speaker 3: Look at the media seeding chart at any at any
freaking game during an eighty two game regular season. Like
it's just it's just that that's just part of the
game though too, you know what I mean, Like how
are scouts supposed to do their jobs if they're not
at the games? I you know, like how are you
supposed to assess fit if they're not at the games?
There's all sorts of like legitimate reasons that have nothing
to do with tampering, and like without a bright line
rule from the league, how do you discern one from
the other.
Speaker 2: And isn't the overwhelming reason for the tampering rule to
protect small markets where they're trying not to have it
so big mark as can say, hey, come here because
you'll end up making more money off the court and
all these other things. But it's almost becoming I don't
want to say antiquated, because big markets still matter, of course,
but I don't know if it matters as much as
it used to to get the amount of publicity you
can get in today's day and age with marketing and advertising.
Speaker 3: Called the Internet.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of the.
Speaker 3: Pretty wild stuff on there? Man? You can be from
anywhere and make money anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we talk about SDA, Oh you know, is
he gonna leave in twenty twenty six? Like he didn't know?
You know ten years ago. Twenty years ago, everybody would
say hashtag future Laker, hashtag this and those big market
shop Yeah. Yeah, the NBA is a farm system for
the Knicks and the Lakers or something like that. It's
not really the case anymore. You can be a franchise
kind of unto yourself, like you know, the media help.
Speaker 3: You can have. You can have huge, massive commercials. Yeah,
as a shooting guard in Oklahoma City exactly.
Speaker 1: It's you can have the most annoying commercial of all time.
Speaker 3: I know, but it got a lot of play, is
the thing? Like they oh yeah, your exposure. I like
that point, Adam, Like, your exposure is clearly not limited anymore.
It's just not it's not an issue.
Speaker 1: Because twenty four hour news cycle we live in, everyone's
on their phones.
Speaker 3: I think. Also a huge thing that has changed is
like the NBA, I think for a lot of fans
is much more about players than it is teams. You
know what I mean, Because it used to be like
if you were uh Yoannest, you know, maybe outside of Milwaukee,
like not as many people would be into you, but
because of the caliber of player that he is, you
have fans freaking everywhere, like Larry Johnson everywhere.
Speaker 1: It makes me think of Larry Johnson for the Hornets. Dude,
if Larry Johnson was playing now with this, everyone would like,
like obviously he was a big star, but like his
impact would have been Like it's just so that is
a good point. Well, I guess we'll see what happens
with this. The other big news which uh this is
another thing that I had thought had already happened.
Speaker 3: This was the one I was referring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, PJ. Tucker has been given permission to find a
new team. I thought this, I thought this had already happened.
Speaker 3: Let's go where he wants to contribute to winning.
Speaker 2: I think you guys gave him at the beginning of
last season.
Speaker 3: Actually, we've been fine with this for a year. I
think I gave him permission in the Philadelphia trade.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, the timing of this was
funny too. I genuinely feel like the team was like,
oh shit, let's make an official I guess what was that.
Speaker 2: Just to try to bury the lawsuit.
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe just to add more information
about the Clippers, just to make I don't know, but
like it is funny that it came out like what
an hour after the lawsuits stuff.
Speaker 3: When do you guys think though they realistically gave him permission.
Speaker 2: The All Star Break?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Last year absolutely, when he was sent home I
think one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So once seeing if any team was willing to take
on this salary, it would be a done go. Like
it'd be a done deal.
Speaker 1: Once the Nuggets trade for PJ Tucker? Are they unstoppable?
Now that they have PJ Tucker and.
Speaker 3: Russ Well, they have the only guy that can stop Jokic.
So now he's unstoppable.
Speaker 1: Shit, where do we see him going all right, ninety
seconds and we'll never talk about PJ. Tucker again. Where
do you think he's going? He wants to contribute to winning,
which he's so bad he quite literally does the opposite
of that.
Speaker 3: Where is he going? It just depends like do we
have to get like are we getting something back of
value because there's no team that's.
Speaker 1: Like we're getting We're getting cash considerations. He will be
traded for cash considerations. You're not giving up an asset.
Speaker 3: I can see the suns maybe sure.
Speaker 2: I know where Adam Silver would recommend to go and
what language he'd have to learn how to speak should
he go to this place?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can we trade him for someone to like, uh, like
who players for, like Real Madrid or something like some
Can we can you trade continentally? Like how that work?
I don't know? I like where the quote is so funny?
Sources LA Clippers granted permission for PJ. Tucker's agent, Andre Buck,
to speak with other teams to facilitate working on a trade.
Both sides continue working together while the veteran remains away
from the team, waiting for an opportunity to contribute to
waiting Boo hoo.
Speaker 3: I also this is like such a bummer because I
have been a pretty big fan of PJ. Tucker throughout
his career. He has been like a player that I
have like legitimately loved and rooted for. And it is
a bummer that this is the way that it's all ending.
And it's I gotta be real with you. It's through
no fault of his own. It's not his fault that
he got that contract. He played really well. It's not
his fault that he got traded. It's not his fault
that he's old. That's just what happens. Man. I do
I like, I don't like the stuff where he was like,
you know, kind of like talking to the media a
bunch about his role and how unhappy he was and
how he could contribute that stuff. You know, that stuff
I don't like. But I just have to say, like
in a vacuum, this situation is in no like, it's
just not really PJ. Tucker's fault.
Speaker 2: Is it his fault that he opted into eleven million
dollars with a team he knows is not gonna.
Speaker 3: Would you not? Would you turn?
Speaker 2: That's fine? And I would also take the responsibility of
not saying, well, now you have to trade me that
I opted in. That's what I would not do.
Speaker 3: That's how you make the league.
Speaker 2: That's I guess I don't have.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: Hey, the dog is out. I let the dog out
of myself.
Speaker 2: What we let it out?
Speaker 1: I let the dogs out of myself. Yeah, thank god
he's not with the team, though this would be a
lot worse.
Speaker 3: It's like a freaking MODELO over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's working on lowriders.
Speaker 3: You have a fin spirit.
Speaker 1: That ad campaign as wild as hell. All right, we've
gotten all of that stuff out of the way. We're
gonna talk our next day feelings about Clippers versus Suns.
We got a quick ad break and then next day
feels about the first game against the Suns coming up
in three two.
Speaker 3: What hey, how's it going? Welcome back into Clips and Dip,
your favorite Clippers podcast. We talked about the latest news
surrounding the Clippers. Now it's time to travel backwards to
a mere twenty four hours ago, when the Clippers lost
their first game into it in a hard fought but
a little bit hurt full loss against the Phoenix Suns. Adam,
you've had a little bit of time to breathe. I know,
that you were hurt by this one. Where are you
at right now?
Speaker 2: Still in pain? Only because you know it's insane to
overreact to one game, but when it's a game that
plays out in a lot of ways as we expected
for months, with their defense being very good and their
offense going through a roll where at one point they
went six minutes without scoring in the second quarter, and
then they still had a chance to pull it out
somehow and you're up by nine with under four minutes left.
That's one you have to win. I hope they learn
from it. But going forward they're in a game like that,
you just have to win it because those are the
ones that I think about late in the year that
got away from you and where you end up in
the standings. It's that type of thing for me. I
will have a hard time forgetting that. It was the
first game and into a dome and everything else went awesomely,
splendidly except for losing. It was an exciting game into dome,
went off without a hitch. Everybody was having a great time.
If they just win that game, it's the perfect night, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Harden had a chance the game winner bounced around.
He did miss the crucial free throw, which didn't feel good.
He I would have liked him to make that. But
like you said, love the defense. The defense was awesome.
Like we we believe in what they were talking about
in the preseason and stuff like that. After seeing what
the defense did and the offense, man some of those
all bench lineups, little wonky there.
Speaker 3: That those are questionably even NBA caliber teams, Adam. I
gotta ask, though, after one game. I know we can't
read too much into one game. How do you feel about, uh,
the potentiality of KPJ in the starting lineup?
Speaker 1: Potentiality?
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I mean I was playing the long game.
I know it sounded like a hot take and it
got attention. I got to be responsible for that. I
got to be accountable for that, and I need to
be held accountable for that because I want a little
bit of attention and it brought it my way, so
now things go the wrong way. It couldn't seem like
more of the same front I take. No, he didn't
get nineteen points in the game like he averaged for
an entire season.
Speaker 3: It was not what I'm talking about. I'm saying ball dominant,
poor shot selection, not great defense, not really setting up others.
It seemed like more of the same from what we've
seen of his skill set thus far in the league.
Had I thought, I stand corrected, you.
Speaker 2: Have one really nice assist. I think his defense was
was okay. Uh, I think going one for eight because
the problem with KPJ is he is a tough shot
taker and can be a maker, but when those shots
don't go, they look really bad, especially from somebody who
hasn't proven themselves in a Clippers uniform at all and
in the NBA, and.
Speaker 3: Who seems to have no interest in like offensively off ball,
who seems to have no if the ball is not
directly in his hand, seems to have absolutely zero intrist
and being on the court.
Speaker 1: We gotta keep an eye on that. I wonder if
that was because I noticed that at the game. I
wonder if that was first game not feeling totally comfortable.
Speaker 3: I will say playbook, especially for those all benchlines, Yeah,
did not seem to be that well integrated, Like it
did not seem like guys knew where they were supposed
to go. Because I actually I thought Chris Dunn didn't
look like as good of an initiator as he has
been throughout his career, and I do to me, I
do blame the playbook or how much of it has
been sort of implemented in that a little bit.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a well oiled machine that KPJ was stopping
with his shot attempts.
Speaker 2: No, right this first in, I don't blame him at
all for taking those shots. Who was he on the
floor with? Tell me who he was on the floor with,
and who should have been taking those shots instead?
Speaker 3: You know what? That's fair enough? Yeah, like that, who's
gonna be able.
Speaker 2: To create out there? Zoom wasn't even out there his
first stint. It was like him, I kind of guy
sitting at home away from the team right now.
Speaker 1: Who could put up who put up more shots than
Paul George in the second half. I'm just kidding. I
can't even finish the bit. I can't even finish the bit.
Speaker 2: I just like that is why he's on the team
in those moments without James Harden, where nobody else is
a shot creator out there, and somebody has to at
least be able to get shots up, And I don't
know if the other guys really could without having their
shot blocked or just beeling so uncomfortable junkie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I.
Speaker 3: Think offensively, there cannot be stints without one of Norm
Powell or James Harden on the floor.
Speaker 1: Or maybe Zoo Kai was good. That's not a knock
on Kai. I thought I liked what Kai did in
game one offensively.
Speaker 3: No, but do you still need someone to send him up?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like that's a great point because we talk
about hard and scoring being needed, right though too his passing, Like,
who's the second best passer on this Clippers team and
how far below James Harden are they in terms of
making things happen with initiating?
Speaker 3: Is it Chris Donne? I mean, like, as currently constructed.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it might be KPJ to
Jordan Miller or Bones Island that passing.
Speaker 1: Like this thing is interesting because if KPJ continues not
saying that, he will like are we just as Bones
just DNP for the rest of the season, because.
Speaker 3: Well that's the other thing too, is like Okay, well,
I mean I think from game one again, not to
overact from from game one.
Speaker 1: Well, you've you've mentioned it's our year, so you don't
you're not overreacting at anything.
Speaker 3: There's no way in my mind, Like, there's no way
in hell that KPJ should be ahead of a mirror
in the rotation.
Speaker 2: Can't do what he does. He can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, many different players, I know, but we don't
need four guards. And if we're gonna have like four
small players plus a center, I don't think the KPJ
should be in that lineup.
Speaker 2: I just I don't think their skill sets cross over
like their guards. But KPJ can run high, pick and
roll like he has average six assists per game multiple seasons,
like he is. He can play point guard an initiate
offense like I don't know. I like him here and
he was awesome. I mean, I get that, and I
think there's a real situation where Chris Dunn. The problem
is he's not a threat to really score on ball.
He's not a threat really a threat to score off
ball unless he's wide open. He did knock down his
three point where they left him open four oh and
that point of attack defense, yeah, he uh, he embarrassed
KD on a play. But if you're gonna play Jordan
Miller to me, and I hope this happens, and I
wish it happened last night. I wish Jordan Miller played
last night on I think.
Speaker 3: Honestly, with like with how things were going, I don't
see a strong enough argument against it.
Speaker 1: If a mirror's cold and Norma's cold and everyone else
is cold, right like from three or Jordan.
Speaker 2: Miller, buttoom picked up three thousand his twenty minutes, and
we're all three of them off ball. The whistle on
Batoum was brutal when he was getting into it with
the officials. Now it's night one, you're trying to win
and chase a game. I want Nico Batoomb out there.
I get it. But maybe just to juice up the
offense during that six minute stretch, to see what Jordan
Miller could do when nothing was working in the second quarter.
You give him a minute and just see what happens,
because how much worse could it possibly have gotten after
you've already gone six minutes without scoring. Yeah, but if
you do play him, to Will's point about Chris Dunn
bringing the ball to the floor, if you're not playing
KPJ or if you don't want bones because of his defense,
like a Jordan Miller at the two, maybe next two
Chris Dunn at the one with the backups, I'd try it.
Speaker 1: I like it. There were some good mixed bench and
starter lineups. Will you just kind of talked about not
having Norm or Carden off the court at any time. Harden, Norm, Derrek, Jones,
Nico and Zoo played the second most minutes five of
any lineup plus six fun lineup. That lineup makes sense.
That's not a crazy it's not like that crazy difference.
And then Norm, dun Terrence, Emir and Zoo were plus
three and four minutes fourth most played lineup. Tyler was
shuffling guys out. The starters played ten minutes together or
whatever it was. So there is like there's some building blocks, right.
I think last night was a lot about building blocks
and the defense, but they do like the next most
important building block is the bench and starter lineups being
figured out, because it was when it's all bench, that's
when things get bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how long did they play all bench?
Speaker 1: Let me look up the lineups?
Speaker 2: Was that the KPJ lineup? Where I'm going like, who
is scoring in this lineup?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? That was all bench. That was like Kai was
at the five, it was Nico done, KPJ and I
think maybe a mirror.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it in lineup daddy.
Speaker 1: One sec?
Speaker 2: Because I'm kind of surprised that even happened, like Will saying,
like normal, normal, James Harden should probably be out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some all all right, hold on, hold
on all teams.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's due to Zoo being pulled so
early like that, and that just had.
Speaker 1: To a bit the whistle. Well, we talked about it,
remember we talked about worst case scenarios in our game pe.
Speaker 3: I do think Zoo is going to continue to be
the first up just based on just just based on
the data that we have historically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 1: Uh but toom Chris don a mere coffee KPJ Kai
Jones played three minutes, they were minus three.
Speaker 2: That could have been a lot worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they made they brought Norman after that shift,
and that's when things got a little better for that lineup,
because I think Norm hit a couple buckets and they
had to kind of respect the spacing a bit. But
that's what game one is four right, and.
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's interesting. I'm not saying that it's easy.
I'm not saying that I have like a clear like
a lineup. Yeah, that that would have solved this thing.
But yeah, you're gonna sue the Clippers, especially I don't know, Yeah,
especially if you do end up having to split h
Hardened and Norm a little bit. I mean that puts
a little bit that that puts a little bit more
pressure on Harden and you know, it makes Norm have
to be more than a score first guy at times
at times, not obviously, not all the time, but at times.
So I you know, it's difficult, it's not it's not
an easy decision. And that's the thing, Like, that's the
thing that we were talking about right, Like this year,
the margins for this team are just so slim. It
could you know, it could be a three to six
minute shift over the course of an entire forty eight
minutes that loses you a game. And you know, I
know that that's the case for a lot of teams,
but it just hasn't been our case for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 2: Hey, KPJ goes one for eight and looks that bad
again on Saturday. I'm calling for bones like I don't
think you can wait, like.
Speaker 1: The bone phone.
Speaker 3: I don't want still with the team, Like I just don't.
I don't get why he wouldn't get any look.
Speaker 1: And he's played not insignificant minutes in the preseason.
Speaker 2: And he looked decent in the last game. And I
just against Denver. They can't start one three and they
could be staring that in the face this weekend. It's
tough back to back. That's the other reason last night hurt,
because it's like, crap, they better get one this weekend
or they're starting oh for three before Portland.
Speaker 1: That just gave me heart. I never get Hartburn that instantly. Mate,
gave me some indigestion thinking about the three start.
Speaker 2: Well, some think that's a reason not to play Jordan
Miller because he's unproven. Don't we all feel like Jordan
Miller can play now. He can help them now.
Speaker 3: They look they were.
Speaker 1: When we were walking out, they were fans just talking
to each other who were like they need Like where's
the Miller kid? Like he was. I was looking for
Jordan Miller like yeah, like he yeah.
Speaker 2: However, none of that is the reason they lost that game.
They had it with three fifty two left. They had
it head point ly in the fourth too. Just execute,
don't throw that awful pass to a viatza zubotch James
Harden there just having a brain fart like and.
Speaker 3: A horrible hardened three, the.
Speaker 2: Three point three from the thirty feet out.
Speaker 1: The heat check that like, what heat are you checking?
That hit front rim? That was that was brutal. That
was not a good decision. But that's where, right, this
is where the fatigue factor comes in and things like that.
You know, like, yeah, and you saw Harden get tired
that fourth quarter possession, I think, or was it overtime.
He had the ball up top, he tried to take
it to the rim, got denied, passed it out, looped
back around, got the ball back, tried to take it
to the rim, got denied. Like he's got to embrace
the mid range a little bit more as the season
goes on. Or I also thought of an organized play
called right there, I guess.
Speaker 3: I also thought in the first half when he was struggling,
struggling a little bit, there were a couple times he
didn't get the call, and I thought he kind of
straight away from from going inside. I thought that he
was a little less aggressive and looking to pass out sooner.
So I hope that that changes because when when he
was more aggressive. I thought it looked a lot Obviously,
it looked a lot different totally when he doesn't have
the same step, you know, as he did when he
was younger. But still you got to go in there
with the intention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I remember we used to talk about
like those fake Paul George drives where he would go.
You're like, I can tell as soon as you get
the ball, you're just trying to get the whistle like
on this on this play. But yeah, the the hardened thing.
Law Murray tweeted this out, and I think I actually
have a pessimistic feeling about this. Harden never had more
than five turnovers in a game for the Clippers last season.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I saw a law tweeted out and we immediately checked it.
Speaker 3: With no training camp.
Speaker 1: I think that is more more of an exception than
the rule because he had eight yesterday. So yeah, I'm
not saying he's gonna happen ten turnovers or whatever, you
know what I mean, But like.
Speaker 2: No, some of that is definitely because how many shots
did he attempt per game last year? Was it eleven?
To get to his sixteen points? Like, turnovers aren't just
a passing thing. It's a tiring thing.
Speaker 1: Eleven point four and he's at after one game.
Speaker 2: He's a he said a cool twenty eight, like that's
what wears you out, That's what's taxing. And that is
my biggest concern coming out of last night. They needed
so much from Harden to get back. He had twenty
five in the second half and was cooking Tias Jones
over and over again. They kept hunting the mismatch. It
was working, which makes that play against Kevin Durant with
that long three pointer more inexplicable because Phoenix was willing
to switch all day and give them Tias Jones if
you wanted it, and he was getting them. So I
some decision making mistakes. He was hard on himself postgame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: I appreciate his leadership so far this year, Like it's
been pretty it's been pretty, Uh, I don't know, extensive.
I didn't expect it to be like this with James Harden.
Speaker 1: The Sons were also doing a thing too, where as
soon as Zoo would get the ball, they would kind
of like double they would just double him. They would crash.
Two guys would crash Zoo. I don't think he's really
used to that, right, Like we talk about Zoo needing
to be more of an offensive focus, other teams know
that too, so they're gonna make him uncomfortable with soft
doubles and making him make decisions. And it works in
the beginning. He recovered. He he went oh of three
to start and then made eight of nine shots, so
he figured it out a little bit. But they're gonna
teams are gonna blitz, blitz for what Zoo is a
lot more. This season.
Speaker 2: They definitely got away with going small much more than
I would have liked down the stretch, like that process
was right, they should have been going to a beach
of Zoo.
Speaker 3: Boss.
Speaker 2: They got Booker to foul out that way, but the
bad pass from Harden on the Jones steel that was tough.
And you got to take advantage of having the biggest
guy out there against a team like that, and they
really didn't. They really didn't do. So part of it's
on Zoo. The offensive foul and roy O'Neill like was
totally necessary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. Yeah, all right, final thoughts
on the on the game one before we move on
to this. Now, I'm terrified back to back, coming up
to speak ind for the Clippers.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is just how a lot of games
are gonna go, which is the part No I said this.
Speaker 1: I want to get your guys take because I said
this on the stream last night. Do you think the
Clippers will have more overtime games and by an extent,
more overtime losses than any other team in the NBA
this year? They have the defense to keep things close,
you know what I mean. They have the offense that
can kind of keep it close and maybe put you
over the edge. But it's like it's a perfect combination
for a stressful lass regular season.
Speaker 2: So they only had one last year, right that Lakers game?
The first game?
Speaker 1: Uh No, didn't the Kings game where they a year
ahead or a year behind.
Speaker 2: Two years ago? The one seventy five.
Speaker 1: I don't know how time works anymore.
Speaker 2: I feel like last year the only overtime game was
early in the season against the Lakers maybe, and they
lost it the one Paul George fouled out right away
with really bad foul early and overtime. Paul, Yeah, they
already got one in now. Yeah. I think that's a decent,
decent vet that the Clippers are going to lead the
league in overtime games.
Speaker 3: So they have they will play more clutch minutes than
they have played in the last five years.
Speaker 1: They had one overtime game, Yeah it was it was Lakers.
That was the only one they had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well, there's gonna be a lot of close games.
There's gonna be a lot of close games. They have
to execute and if you're off nine late like that,
because like their defense faltered a couple of times in
trends position because of bad shots on the offensive. Vent Yes,
your offense led to terrible defense on the other.
Speaker 3: End, James, honestly, like the event that the man the
system himself was guilty of a few.
Speaker 1: Of those, Yeah, absolutely friggin lutely.
Speaker 3: Which I would assume he'll be better than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, game one, new crowd, new arena. You know, we'll
figure it out, thankfully. I guess they have two away
games this weekend that we're about to talk about. We
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. In It's Clips and Dips Season three, episode
twenty two. I'm adam awesome. We've got Will Updyke and
Charles Mockler here and the first back to back of
the season.
Speaker 1: Here's my government name, I guess, big Chuck Mockler.
Speaker 2: Saturday's game is in Denver. Not only is it in Denver,
and they have to deal with the altitude and Joker
and Yokich and a team that's healthy to start the year.
I think for the most part, they're playing tonight. Uh,
they have to deal with an early afternoon start. They
can't get away from it. You can't ever get away
from it.
Speaker 1: I actually think they're not They might have the advantage
for this early afternoon start. Tell me it's the Nuggets
play the Thunder Friday at seven pm. I think that
night that I thought they were the second night of
a back to back. No, no, Google did be wrong.
Oh yeah, no, we're screwed. I take everything back. I
tag everything I just said back. Why is this game
being played at two pm?
Speaker 2: Is this Dodgers World Series related? There's your Dodgers fault.
It's your Dodgers fault.
Speaker 1: Playing in Denver? Why is this game at two pm?
Is there a rodeo? Is there an avalanche? Is it
the Abs home?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah, good old Abs, Patrick Patrick Waugh. It could
be that. Ah, the as.
Speaker 1: Avalanche schedule. It's not because of that.
Speaker 2: It's because of the clickers. They just can't help themselves.
Speaker 1: That's fair. So what could go well in this Nuggets
versus Clippers game? Historically it has not gone well? What
what do we think the Clippers can do to beat
this Nuggets team?
Speaker 2: Big Zoo performs against Jokic, says he has in the
fast He's always risen to the challenge against Nikola Jokics.
Not always, but you know, relative to what most people
are able to do against, he legitimately has the best
defensive numbers against Jokic in the league. Now, that probably
means he's going for fifty on Saturday now because I
said that, but he has held his own. I don't
know what it is. They have to start faster on
the offensive end, though, So if Big Zoo could have
a big game and get it going early to get
them into their offense, that'd be great.
Speaker 3: Norm too, because that was on hand too, because he
did not look great to start. I like that.
Speaker 1: I tweeted it from the Clippers pod account. We love
Big Zoo. Rough start, Norm Powell. I believe he also
went one for seven from three in the first game
against the Suns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was rough.
Speaker 1: If Norm can get two quick threes to start this game,
I will feel so much better about the Clippers hanging
in on this one. And if they're well manufactured, good process,
as we like to talk about on this pod.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit concerned that the defensive effort he
had to put out, which was very good against Phoenix,
against a Booker and Bill a lot, took something out
of his legs. It's one game, but one for seven
from three and he was short on a couple of them.
It's like, this is what happens when you have to
play defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching the short ones, I agree with you, like
some of those shots. Maybe if you wish he was
kind of back on the bench.
Speaker 1: Be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 2: U's kind of what Brian Shaw was saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, and you look at I mean, unfortunately
for the Clippers, we're also playing a team that is
not exactly shallow depth wise.
Speaker 2: I thought you meant like they judged everyone based on
their looks.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, well who amongst us, but the bench
minutes might be And also we have to play.
Speaker 3: Russ.
Speaker 1: There is I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna say, how do we not bring up the most
important expector of the entire game.
Speaker 1: Russ is either gonna go one for eight game or
he's gonna put up sixteen, twelve and ten, and we're
gonna be the The Clippers are gonna be the catalyst
for the six Man of the Year Cheddar until he
goes back to doing his normal thing. But I'm worried
about that. There's not a lot of There's not a
lot of x's and o's to go off since they
haven't played a game yet. But I'm worried about that.
Strather is an absolute baller two off the bench for
the Nuggets.
Speaker 2: He was going at it with Jordan Miller in the
Summer League.
Speaker 1: So yes, he can get a bucket.
Speaker 2: People think that you know their rain is over. They
keep losing a free agent every year, first with Bruce Brown,
then KCP. As long as Jokic is healthy, guys, they
are a contender. They are in the mix. And if
Jamal Murray has his legs and can do what he
does against the Lakers, against you know, the majority of
the rest of the league here in trouble.
Speaker 1: I mean, and like Aaron Gordon, who like, we we
just played a small team, right, The Nuggets are not
a small team. The Nuggets are a big ass team.
Speaker 3: And this is a terrible matchup for the Clippers that
is currently constructed.
Speaker 1: That's even worse than it usually is in terms of matchups.
Speaker 2: Gotta start con next to Zoo. I guess.
Speaker 1: We gotta let Zoo shoot threes and we gotta get.
Speaker 3: We gotta basically so we have to stop everything because
that lineup is just not smarting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm I was thinking hard on some positives
for this matchup, and it's it's difficult. Not because the
Clippers are a bad team. We know they're gonna play
with defensive intensity.
Speaker 3: The Duggets also look at their home record, like.
Speaker 2: Even when they're bad, they're good there.
Speaker 3: Take care of business at home.
Speaker 2: I think the best thing that can happen for the
Clippers is that Denver beats okay see tonight handily and
looks like, hey, we're fat and happy a little bit.
We're good. We got our signature win on TNT. That's
what I'd like to see having. So they take the
Clippers lightly.
Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, you want yeah, you want us
to be underestimated.
Speaker 2: I would like that.
Speaker 3: I would forfer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, media are doing it true.
Speaker 1: Well now, okay. The other funny part about the Kawhi
lawsuit thing is like Stephen A. Smith right complains that
Kawhi is the worst superstar of all time because he
doesn't play, he's gonna flip his narrative.
Speaker 2: If he does, the receipt Master may have to pull
some clips.
Speaker 1: Re st Master. The Clippers then are playing the Warriors,
which feels better than playing the Nuggets. The Warriors did
just beat the ever living hell out of the Trailblazers,
which isn't saying a whole bunch. But what I'm worried
about in the Warriors game is the three point attempt battle.
Speaker 3: M H.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're winning the attempt battle. And again,
there's only one game of sample size. I'm not sure
we're winning the percentages either.
Speaker 2: Golden State took forty eight threes against Portland, Holy geez,
and Hitch twenty of them.
Speaker 3: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: We do have a a stratospherically better defense than the
Blazers do. I think we can all agree on that,
but Steph hates us. But the Warriors are also not
a very big team. Grasping at straws here. We need
to find something positive for this back to back.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I can't believe they started Wiggins with
tray Jackson Davis and Draymond Green against Portland. I did
not see that starting lineup coming and they sell Kaminga,
So like all those guys are what what's coaminga? He's
the shortest guy out there and he's six seven. True,
it's just steph shit, I don't know that was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: This is this bullshit. Start buddy healed.
Speaker 3: Come on, it's oar buddy heel To'll be fun?
Speaker 2: Can you even coach Kerr? Well, you think you're all
high and mighty because you're kicking on Portland one thirty
nine one four that starting lineup?
Speaker 1: You're Jim Park Now.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about these games, guys, both these teams because
freaking Shane Young said they're gonna win fifty young fifty
one games the Golden State Warriors and they're gonna be
the three seed in the West. When I was thinking
the entire time, you know, playing that's insane.
Speaker 3: Fifty one games is insane.
Speaker 1: Fifty one is crazy. Tell Shane I did, I I
am crazy? Yeah? We and we. I mean it's funny
because we've played one game and we already know that
Evergreen needs for the Clippers right, can't have a sticky
half court offense. Transition offense. Keep it moving, let's do
our thing. Let's cause the turnovers. Let's get easier buckets.
I said this on the stream. Messy defense leads to
smooth buckets for this Clippers team. You muck it up
on defense, you get the turnover, you make things difficult,
you get hopefully an easier transition bucket. On the end,
they can't when when the offense has to stop in
the half court, it's just so hard to get a bucket.
Speaker 2: To grind, and not in the grindhouse sort of way.
It's not cool. It's bad.
Speaker 3: It's not cool.
Speaker 2: Everything that happened in game one just confirmed how much
the Clippers are short a shot creator right now, a
reliable one next to James Harden, and how much they're
missing Kawhi Leonard. Like the half court offense. I just
I worried. James had to play forty minutes already and
it's only the first game. Now we have a back
to back coming up. I guess good teams on the road.
I don't know. I don't you know what. We got
a lean positive here. We got to find some positives here.
Norman is not going one for seven from three.
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, yeah, he says, I want less air. I
want less Yeah, I don't know this one the well,
which matchup?
Speaker 1: Do you feel better about?
Speaker 3: Which one?
Speaker 5: Do you?
Speaker 3: Because I think they're gonna split. I still feel better
about the Warriors because again, the construction and the size
of the team I think is a little bit more.
It's a little bit more in this current iteration of
the Clippers like what we're kind of more equipped to handle.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'll take the other side. I like Denver
because they're first.
Speaker 6: About I mean, I think going Denver, you know, I
think in Denver, if things start getting out of hand,
it's time to call it early.
Speaker 1: You think the white flag comes out?
Speaker 2: Maybe actually you know what the thin air is going
to happen, and it has to play.
Speaker 3: Both of these.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I'm sorry, there's no way around it.
Speaker 3: Like unless you're unless you're I don't know, unless you're
fine to split and you're sure you can win that
first one. Uh, James Harden has to play both of
these games. So I think, yeah, if things get out
of hand, it's it's time to call it. Maybe it's
time to pull the plug, maybe a little earlier than
you would.
Speaker 1: Which Tyler will do. Tyler will wave the white flag
with like nine minutes left in a game, and we'll
see Jordan Miller win the game for the Clippers.
Speaker 2: What was the game in Denver? I think in twenty
twenty three, dude, where the Clippers didn't It was built
as a huge game. It's on TNT and the Clippers
were down twenty like in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: It sucked and he pulled everybody I think in the
second half. He didn't start as starters.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, oh good. I'm just looking at some tweets.
Noticeable difference in pace for the Nuggets. Four minutes into
the season. They're playing faster.
Speaker 3: Damn it. Good.
Speaker 1: The rest effect, Jamal God, Jamal hitting the spot up three,
Christian bron looking good.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Adam, You're gonna have.
Speaker 1: Some difficulty finding a positive thing to say at the
end of this episode, but do okay now the most
important part because again, our game previews, once we have
actual stats and trends, are a little more in depth
with the x'es and o's and things like that. It's
games two and three for the Clips. Adams just kisses
straight up. We're giving out gold stars for anything at
this point, Adam, since you had to go last last time,
who is your pick for the James harden Kawhi Leonard
player of the game for both games?
Speaker 2: Who is my last pick? Oh? It was a mere coffee.
Speaker 1: He was perfect, was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Four four, two of two from three I picked.
Speaker 1: I mean nineteen nine pretty good too.
Speaker 2: All right, no bad. I did talk up Bigs in
the matchup against Niko Jokich. I feel like I should
go with Big Zoo and they just have to start faster.
They can't get down early or else they are gonna
pull guys. I can't see that. I don't want to
see that. This is game two of the regular season.
We got to bounce back and just not just start
to get that feeling that you know, while it's early
in the season, they are going to have a lot
of trouble scoring. I just need more consistency from their
offense from the get go so they can have that
confidence throughout the rest of the game that we can
create that we can score out there, that it's not
going to be the grind that Adam said it was
going to be. That's what I need from this team
and I need big Zoo play through them. They tried
early on. He did not perform very well and picked
up those two fouls and was completely out of sourts.
Speaker 1: Bounce back in the third quarter the whole That's what
gives me faith is the team really locked down on
rebounding and cosin turners in the third quarter. Will who
is your James harden Kawhi Leonard player of the game
for the back to backs?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna double down and say Derek Jon Junior Again.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, we haven't even talked about him.
Speaker 3: Really just talking about I do think with these back
to backs, like the younger, the more athletic guys are
really going to have to show what they can do,
and we know about the finishing. I just I hope
that he can help things speed up. I hope that
the three point shooting continues to be real and he
can be one of the tone setters defensively for this team.
I yeah, it's weird to pick him for three games
in a row, but I liked what I saw game one.
We need a little bit more and I think that
look like these guys are the other rotation guys, like
maybe not the highest ceiling players are like, what is
going to get this Clippers team over the hump in
a lot of games, it's it's gonna be the minutes
how much you lose by when I mean, it's going
to be how much you're losing by when when one
of Hardened or norm isn't on the floor. And so yeah,
I think Derek jonester is gonna be important if he's
used with bench minutes great, uh And if he does
primarily play with the starters, like how much he helps
them win those minutes by it's gonna be absolutely massive.
Speaker 1: It's a good call. I'm going Terrence Man, I think
for both games, if they're gonna have a fighting chance
for both of them, Terrence Man is gonna have to
take more than one three, grab more than a couple rebounds,
and just push the pace a little bit as a
ball handler. Make a decisions in transition with it, because
I'm sure we're gonna see a scenario where it's like, oh,
things aren't working with the other points when, like you said,
when Normer or James isn't on the floor, and Terrence
Man is the guy who's been in the system the longest.
This is kind of Taylor made if he's gonna make
this jump. This weekend is a good litmus test for
that for this team.
Speaker 2: He ended up a plus seven and lost by three.
That's impressive because he got subbed out around where he
fouled out what the two and a half minute mark
of the fourth quarter before things took a turn for
the worse when they caught up and tied it. Yeah,
I like that call when the Clippers were rolling in
this era. It always feels like Terrence Man has his
fingerprints on it when they're playing well. And he might
be pissed after fouling out too, because while the last
foul was obvious, there were a couple in there that
seemed kind of ticki tac. That is a concern. Guys
like they just want to play physical on defense.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: Are the Rep's gonna let you that night? How many
free throws in Phoenix get thirty five? I know there
were five extra minutes, but they had thirty and they
might add twenty eight after the fourth quarter. It's scary
because it's just there's nothing you could do about it.
Speaker 3: You can't control his defense.
Speaker 2: In this league, it's a judgment call.
Speaker 1: It's illegal to play defense.
Speaker 2: I feel like Phoenix. Gotta play some defense, all right.
Speaker 1: Let us know your thoughts on Twitter, at Clippers Pod.
Let us know your thoughts in the comments at Clippers
Podcast on YouTube. We're going to be back. Maybe do
a live stream after one of these games. We'll see
what happens.
Speaker 2: Adam, come on Saturday night on Clippers Talk.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: They won't kick me out right.
Speaker 1: Away, Saturday freaking afternoon with having.
Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon, Let's make that work.
Speaker 1: Well. Before we get to the positive thing, where can
people demand that their significant others and close family members
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Speaker 1: There we go, and Adam, one positive thing heading into
this back to back against the Warriors and the Nuggets
in reverse order.
Speaker 2: I think We'll said it earlier that you know, there's
gonna be a lot of these type of games this season.
And while that can be looked at as a negative
because they lost the one last night that they should
have had, it does lend itself to an exciting brand
of basketball where you always feel like your heart's beating
out of your chest. And I think they're going to
be much better in these situations, and hopefully it's game one.
You learn from it and it gives them the tape
they need to make those corrections, and everything was very fixable.
With a lot of self inflicted mistakes down the stretch.
There's no reason that they can't figure it out. So
get it out of your way. A bad loss like
that only because you're up by nine with under four
minutes left and don't make it a habit. Figure it
out and their defense is going to keep them in
games this season. So we're going to see the Clippers
in a lot of clutch time miutes. Like wilsaid, there
we go.
Speaker 1: We will be back at some point on this weekend,
and if not, we'll be back on Monday. I will
be in Montan which will be very fun. Thank you
all for listening. As always, let's go