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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Our Interesting Times. It's my

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure to have Jay Dyer back on the show. Well, Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Been great time. Always glad to be on Our Interesting

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<v Speaker 2>Times because our times are interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Very interesting in the worst kind of a way. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course you are the proprietor of Jays Analysis jaysnalysis

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. You're the author of So Teror Hollywood Sex

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<v Speaker 1>Cults and Symbolism in Film, And I understand you are

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<v Speaker 1>taping a very important series of I guess television shows

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<v Speaker 1>for the Guide Network. Been very busy, so I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>appreciative your time with me tonight. Thank you, And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you're finishing up later on this week with those seat.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for those kind words. Yeah, we've finished eleven

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<v Speaker 2>episodes and we'll finish six seventeen or eighteen by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of this week. And yeah, it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of really really cool stuff movie a movie analysis

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<v Speaker 2>kind of Ciskel and Ebers style show that really doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's another Cisco Ebert style show that

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<v Speaker 2>that does film analysis, you know the way that I

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<v Speaker 2>do it, and it kind of linked up well with

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<v Speaker 2>the style of Jay Weedener the way he does film analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we have we have a good chemistry, a

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<v Speaker 2>good rapport, so we kind of just go back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth and give our thoughts and and and impressions of

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<v Speaker 2>these seminal films and shows and kind of dissect them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And it ties in well with Dave mcgallan's

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<v Speaker 2>work a lot of the stuff that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about tonight, and we referenced, you know, Dave

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit. You know, my work kind of builds

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<v Speaker 2>on that, as well as Michael Hoppins worked too. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's gonna be neat. It's it's gonna be I think,

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<v Speaker 2>very high quality. It's not it's not stupid, it's not fluffy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be pretty hardcore. But it all would

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot of satire and comedy and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>joking around. Hopefully too. They may edit out on my

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they sounded like they were laughing in the control room,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can tell, so maybe maybe they're laughing at

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<v Speaker 2>how bad it was, And I don't know. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>my impersonation, you know, don't get edited out, but they

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<v Speaker 2>may end up on the cutting room floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, what's the name of that show.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be called Hollywood Decoded.

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood you code it, okay, And that's going to air

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the Guide network, and people, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>subscribe that I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to be by subscription. But as I understand, you

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<v Speaker 2>know this is it's anywhere streaming service and it's also

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<v Speaker 2>on some cable and satellite, so if you have Amazon

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<v Speaker 2>Prime and that kind of stuff, you can get it too.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh excellently I do. Okay, so I can watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be on all those Yeah, okay, I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 2>sure that's right. I'm pretty sure Amazon has Gaya, but

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<v Speaker 2>many to check on that. But but yeah, so we've

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<v Speaker 2>got some of the some good stuff lined up for

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<v Speaker 2>season one. We've got David Lynch, and we've got some Kubrick,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've got some Ridley Scott, Blade Runner and the

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<v Speaker 2>Alien franchise and some X Files. Uh so there's a

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<v Speaker 2>there's a good lineup and then a lot more to come,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. If this does well, we'll do another another

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<v Speaker 2>two seasons on top of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So great, And of course a lot of those movies

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<v Speaker 1>I do after watching or listening reading your analysis, listening

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<v Speaker 1>to your analysis, you can go re watch some of

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<v Speaker 1>the movies that Mayson little Strange, particularly David Lynch films,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can really there's your analysis really helps.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of people were saying that, they say,

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<v Speaker 2>when they get in the book, they kind of read

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<v Speaker 2>my book and then they watched the movie and then

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<v Speaker 2>read the chapter and watch the movie. So it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it ends up being kind of a fun, fun thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the show will be too, because we

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<v Speaker 2>have clips that we're playing too, so it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>sitting you know, me sitting there talking with Jay Weedner.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also you know, important sections of the film and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the images and the scenes and what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So your analysis of Ernest goes the campus particularly enlightening

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote that as a joke, and then I had

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<v Speaker 2>people who they didn't think it was a joke and

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, do you really think this is about this?

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<v Speaker 2>And it says satire on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's great, and of course, listeners here if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to support Jay regularly, you can support his website

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<v Speaker 1>for five a month, sixty dollars a year. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>regular thing. Support his research. Okay, Well, tonight, you've did

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<v Speaker 1>a an excellent analysis of Dave McGowan's Program to Kill.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked touched on it before in the past, and

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<v Speaker 1>our previous talks, I think our first conversation we talked

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about that, but just touched on it, and

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<v Speaker 1>you did a almost a two hour analysis of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course I wanted to talk about that in

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<v Speaker 1>light of the maybe Michael Hoffman's analysis of the serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer phenomenon, particularly the ritualistic aspect of it and the

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<v Speaker 1>alchemical process that he believes that's involved with it. A

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<v Speaker 1>broader issue of sort of the societal degradation debasement that

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<v Speaker 1>occurred in the nineteen sixties and seventies into the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, in the context of the Vietnam War, the

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<v Speaker 1>development of feminism, and all the psychological warfare that the

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<v Speaker 1>American people were being have been subjected to since the

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<v Speaker 1>Second World War. So, hey, how do you want how

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<v Speaker 1>do you go on dive into it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess I could point out that in my

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<v Speaker 2>own experience, Uh, you know, I didn't grow up during

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<v Speaker 2>that period. I grew up in the eighties, so I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know much about that era except through my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was into led Zappelin in the doors, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he would always play those albums, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was really the only experience I had of it until I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, got to be older and started reading and

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<v Speaker 2>getting into history and trying to make sense of what

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<v Speaker 2>had been happening, especially in the United States. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I think in my twenties, about twenty four or five,

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<v Speaker 2>I read Hoffman's book and that was a big piece

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<v Speaker 2>of the puzzle for me. It was a big awakening

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<v Speaker 2>stage for me. I think I've got my society Psychological.

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<v Speaker 2>My copy is dated in two thousand and six. So

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<v Speaker 2>he really opened up, I guess, a new way to

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<v Speaker 2>look at things, and in a broadway. So he's really

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<v Speaker 2>tying in the ideas of Hollywood and mass culture, pop culture,

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<v Speaker 2>with the military industrial complex and with secret societies in

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<v Speaker 2>the occult and you know how the Pentagon used the

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<v Speaker 2>psychological warfare and ritual crimes and how it all kind

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<v Speaker 2>of connects us. So I think he's maybe one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best figures that you could point to that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of laid out a more coherent, unified field theory of conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, I think prior to I mean, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you can find somebody I don't know, but I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when I think back to conspiracy texts written prior to

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one, which is when he published his book,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you would get books that might deal with

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<v Speaker 2>a certain topic, like you know, there would be books

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<v Speaker 2>on the Templars, and there would be a book on

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<v Speaker 2>the Masons, and very limited subject matter. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>Hoffman's book is a step towards meta analysis, where he's

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<v Speaker 2>really trying to put all these pieces together, and he

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<v Speaker 2>ties in, you know, the theological aspects too, like making

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<v Speaker 2>sense of what happened in the Catholic Church and Vatican

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<v Speaker 2>two and beyond, and it just made a lot more sense,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. And so I was and I was a

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<v Speaker 2>traditional Roman Catholic at the time, attending the Latin Mass

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth. So so Hoffen had a big impact

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<v Speaker 2>on me. And then I realized that he was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the first person I read that did kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an esotery movie analysis. So he kind of gave me

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<v Speaker 2>the idea, or I got the idea to do that

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<v Speaker 2>style from his analysis of conspiracy theory. He read a

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<v Speaker 2>book or an essay on that a long time ago

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of famous. So so it's just it's a

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<v Speaker 2>gray all around book introduction. It's usually what I tell

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<v Speaker 2>people who are new to the topic to read as

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<v Speaker 2>an introduction. And I mean, I'm not sure where to

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<v Speaker 2>start with it, just because he talks about so many

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<v Speaker 2>things too. But Dave's book is a great companion to

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<v Speaker 2>that book because they're kind of in the same vein.

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<v Speaker 2>They do overlap at times. Even though the focus of

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<v Speaker 2>Program to Kill is more just on ritual crime, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not really dealing with you know, theology or history per se.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that Dave starts out with

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<v Speaker 2>that really impressed me in his book was that he

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like he read most of the material that's

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<v Speaker 2>published dealing with you know, MK ultra and mind control.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, there's Jose Delgado's Physical Control of the Mind,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's Donald Bain's Control of Kenny Jones and Walter

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<v Speaker 2>Bowart's book Operation mind Control and John Marxist book and

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<v Speaker 2>I've read a lot of these, but I haven't read

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<v Speaker 2>all of them. And I've read a lot of these two.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, Hoppins book kind of kicked me

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<v Speaker 2>off on that eleven or twelve years ago, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I read Jay Stevens's book Storming Heaven, which is also

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<v Speaker 2>kind of along the same path as Weird scenes inside

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<v Speaker 2>the Canyon, but not a little more water down, a

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<v Speaker 2>little more mainstream. And I read that a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of got me thinking, you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a lot of what we were told about the

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<v Speaker 2>sixties counter culture revolution was not what was really going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and that maybe that wasn't real. And I had my

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<v Speaker 2>own experiences of going to concerts and you know, being

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<v Speaker 2>around so called hippies and that people of that counterculture mindset,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, you start noticing as you get older

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<v Speaker 2>that it's really just different costumes and dressings that people

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<v Speaker 2>are wearing who are being counterculture. Right, So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the counterculture of my period when I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen nineteen, it was Nirvana, it was Pearl Jam, it

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<v Speaker 2>was alternative music, it was you know, that was just

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<v Speaker 2>the next phase of the cultural dressing. And you start

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<v Speaker 2>to realize that a lot of this stuff is not organic.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually top down. It's it's corporate, it's it's sold, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's it runs contrary to what the whole ethos

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<v Speaker 2>is is that it's supposed to be an organic counter

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<v Speaker 2>culture movement. And then I think, you know, just as

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<v Speaker 2>you get older, you read more and you learn more,

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<v Speaker 2>and you realize that, uh, you know, the people who

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<v Speaker 2>run society are not idiots. They're they're very adept, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're masters of the scientific, scientific process, a scientific technique

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<v Speaker 2>of mass psychology. So I know I would even still

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<v Speaker 2>recommend probably Jim Keats's book Mass Control. It's it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good introduction to this topic, and it fits well with

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<v Speaker 2>Michaels Hoffin's book and Dave McGowan's book. But anyway, just

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of set the stage, you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>started diving into all these books, and you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>really is a dearth of evidence to suggest that uh

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<v Speaker 2>wait is that the right word. I'm kind of I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tired. Amount of earth is dearth?

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<v Speaker 1>Dearth be a lack of or ending of it.

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<v Speaker 2>There is an excess, excuse me, an abundance, an abundance

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<v Speaker 2>of evident to suggest that that the counterculture movements are essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>of man. And if you could master the mind of man,

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<v Speaker 2>in all these very bizarre things, like you know, one

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<v Speaker 2>so that's what impressed me about Dave's book, and having

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<v Speaker 2>now read a lot of these books that he references,

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<v Speaker 2>of how the the studies of multiple personality slash disassociative

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<v Speaker 2>definitely something to this. Now there's a lot of disinformation

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<v Speaker 2>fractured personalities and this kind of stuff, But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes a lot more sense if this is true. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had my own experiences with LSD when I was seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>understand the potentials and how it can cause multiple or

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<v Speaker 2>have alternate personality or anything like that. But what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>it like Timothy Leary. Now, Timothy Leary attaches all this

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<v Speaker 2>esoteric stuff to it, and this is where you get

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<v Speaker 2>LSD and the promotion of hallucinogens. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>all these these puzzle pieces that just don't make sense

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And I think he argues as well in there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our culture movement to whatever degrees. Maybe the anti

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<v Speaker 2>war movement, you know, was a organic and legitimate was

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<v Speaker 2>eventually taken over and turned into just kind of this

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<v Speaker 2>Dionyssian bas passion type of thing where you know, Jim

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<v Speaker 2>the stage while he's bombed out of his mind on drugs. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it just turns into turns it to total total chaos basically.

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<v Speaker 2>And and this chaos and dissociation I think you can

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<v Speaker 2>of these CIA aided characters, these Frankfurt school type characters,

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<v Speaker 2>the frankfur School, that that if you promote inversion and

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<v Speaker 2>these lackos, of these sickos really believed that you had

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<v Speaker 2>to destroy the social order to fix things. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's I think the setting for for the sixties. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a whole bunch of things that was psychological warfare.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot of large scale testing of cults

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<v Speaker 2>of alternative lifestyles quote unquote, You've you know, you've done

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<v Speaker 2>talks with with John Adams. I've done interviews with John Adams,

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<v Speaker 2>and he talks a lot about how California was kind

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<v Speaker 2>the alternative lifestyle, you know, as well as promoting kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the Silicon Valley military industrial complex, aerospace stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>up towards Sacramento. You know, if you didn't like that,

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<v Speaker 2>hate Ashbury or something, get involved in whatever cult you wanted, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really you just have this cornucopia of test

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<v Speaker 2>think that LSD was given on a mass scale on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was by design absolutely. You know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you look into the history of the drug war, you

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<v Speaker 2>start to realize why that would be very plausible, especially

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<v Speaker 2>given the importation of cocaine and crack for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the black neighborhoods and stuff like that. We figure out,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's all true. So it just makes more it

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<v Speaker 2>makes a lot more sense that the culture is controlled

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<v Speaker 2>and studied and created much more than it is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of organic process. And so that's the setting,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the zeitgeist for both Hoffmann's book and Dave McGowan's book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes You Have a Program to Kill. And now the

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<v Speaker 1>way it's structured is he introduces the book first with

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<v Speaker 1>organized elite pedophilia, the pediocricy I think, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the first eighty or ninety pages talks about the Mark

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<v Speaker 1>de trou Fair and these various exposure of pedophilic networks

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what's interesting too is that both of these books,

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<v Speaker 2>Hawfins's book was written in two thousand and one and

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<v Speaker 2>Dave's books written in two thousand and four. And here

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<v Speaker 2>we are. You know, it's twenty seventeen. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>hawfins book a long time ago, and I would give

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<v Speaker 2>this book out. People were calling me crazy. They would

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<v Speaker 2>hand it back to me. I read the first chapter.

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<v Speaker 2>Here take this back, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Dave's I'm sure Dave's book was received the

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<v Speaker 2>same way. I only read, you know, for Gom to

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<v Speaker 2>Kill fairly recently. But yeah, but the point, my point

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<v Speaker 2>is just that look at how much of this has

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<v Speaker 2>been vindicated, you know, in the last few years. So

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<v Speaker 2>these are prescient books. And for me, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be vindicated on this awful dark stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, it makes me realize that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>actually crazy. So all the people who you know called

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<v Speaker 2>me nuts over the last fifteen years or whatever, well.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that. I say, when people call someone calls

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<v Speaker 1>me crazy, I said, no, you're just ignorant. Yeah, then

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<v Speaker 1>they get offenders. Will you just called me nuts, which

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<v Speaker 1>is worse? Yeah, right, you just don't understand what they

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not mean, I don't, right, I don't mean to

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<v Speaker 2>be arrogant, but I mean, ninety nine percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>time when when people are operating that way, they've not

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<v Speaker 2>read any of this stuff. No, they don't have any

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<v Speaker 2>working knowledge of this material.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's yeah, it's someone and you're you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the patience or the election to be tutored on

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. So I'm not gonna waste my time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just do the research, come back in five years, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll talk about it. And that's what it takes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem is there's no substitute for for understanding

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<v Speaker 1>these things other than just doing the research, reading the

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<v Speaker 1>material and thinking about it and also holding out that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there are some some of these things that

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing wrong with saying I don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure. You know, there's bias against there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bias towards certainty, and some of these things we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have certainty uh with. We have to infer, have to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh speculate uh based on on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the information we have, you know, and that's only natural.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. What people expect, they get. They create

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<v Speaker 1>a usually high standard. It's selective too, because they'll they'll

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<v Speaker 1>accept that the narratives and other things not any without

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<v Speaker 1>any evidence, or just because they're told something, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Or they're you know, yes, Brian Williams, there's a brilliant Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead, there's a brilliant, brilliant point that Dave makes

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<v Speaker 3>in The Program to Kill at one point where he says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we're supposed to believe that the CIA never really got

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't really teach them anything about mind control and

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<v Speaker 2>how to brainwash people, and you know, they just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of let this go after the hearings and all this stuff. However,

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<v Speaker 2>we are at the same time supposed to believe, from

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<v Speaker 2>the official sources that all of these cult leaders have

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<v Speaker 2>perfected the process of my control. Right, so it's a

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<v Speaker 2>double Jim Jones, David Press and Jim Jones are masters

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<v Speaker 2>of mind control, but the CIA and Pentagon, they just

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a clue on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with an unlimited budget technology at their disposal. On Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's I mean, that was the the subtext or the

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<v Speaker 1>the argument of Charles Manson's conviction. He makes this very

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<v Speaker 1>of Charles Manson. Mm hmm, because he apparently, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the the the killers uh went out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and performed the massacres and they're convicted, but they're they're there.

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<v Speaker 1>We were to understand that they were they were they

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<v Speaker 1>were controlled zombies and the Saint Charles Manson, who according

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<v Speaker 1>the official narrative, was never at any any of the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes was convicted, right, And it makes no sense from

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<v Speaker 1>a legal stuff, yet they did it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, that's yeah exactly. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>just liked the the approach because, you know, Dave's willing

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the problems is that, you know, skeptics

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<v Speaker 2>who said that there's not any substance to disassociate of

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<v Speaker 2>identity disorder or to any of this stuff, is that

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<v Speaker 2>they generally don't take into account all of the abundance

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<v Speaker 2>of for example, material in Dave's book. Right, So you'll

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<v Speaker 2>get these people who try to debunk things, but they

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<v Speaker 2>never deal with, you know, like the totality of the

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fifty pages of this book. You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>what what about all this? Right? I mean, it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>every time somebody claims something it's true, but that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a sound argument to debunk the whole idea of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we don't under understand everything about the psyche. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that I've done a lot of reading and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of research into that. And you know, I don't

417
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<v Speaker 2>think that the so called establishment really understands or knows

418
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<v Speaker 2>what the psyche. I mean, have perfected a lot of

419
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<v Speaker 2>techniques when it comes to entrainment and psychic driving and

420
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<v Speaker 2>these different you know, mind control techniques, but that doesn't

421
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<v Speaker 2>mean that they really know what they're dealing with. Because

422
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Saint Paul's the who knows the spirit of

423
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<v Speaker 2>who knows the soul of a man, but the spirit

424
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<v Speaker 2>which is in him, right, so even our souls and

425
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<v Speaker 2>our spirits are somewhat mysterious even to us. So I

426
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<v Speaker 2>don't think the establishment has every everything locked down on

427
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<v Speaker 2>what man is or what man's soul is, precisely because

428
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<v Speaker 2>most of these people have completely naturalistic presuppositions, so they

429
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<v Speaker 2>don't think there is a soul. So you know, this

430
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<v Speaker 2>is why everything's treated with chemicals and so forth. But anyway,

431
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<v Speaker 2>you know, he just provides a bunch of arguments for

432
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<v Speaker 2>you know, people in the establishment, even saying there's more

433
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<v Speaker 2>going on here. These people aren't faking. You can look

434
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<v Speaker 2>at experiments through hypnotism. Hypnotism has been study studied for

435
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<v Speaker 2>eighty years, so you know, obviously they've made some kind

436
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<v Speaker 2>of progress there. Freud talks about ritual abuse, and then

437
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<v Speaker 2>you have, you know, the suspicious, obviously suspicious fact of

438
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<v Speaker 2>the False Memory Syndrome Foundation being founded by these CIA

439
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<v Speaker 2>people who are bold and things like child drafting and

440
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<v Speaker 2>child born and stuff.

441
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<v Speaker 1>That's right, it's a what's his name? What was his name?

442
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<v Speaker 1>It was morn Orn or something he was or was

443
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<v Speaker 1>MK ultra scientist.

444
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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of stuff on that. But yeah, I.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Think wasn't also Jolly West involved with them too?

446
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<v Speaker 2>That sounds right?

447
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, okay, false Memory Foundation. Now, for a

448
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:35.079
<v Speaker 1>point of clarification, Dave mcgown's thesis, uh well in Program

449
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<v Speaker 1>to Kill and also Dovetails are it's a good follow

450
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<v Speaker 1>up to him to his or actually preceded it, but

451
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<v Speaker 1>to his Laura Canyon book, because Laura Cannon. He points

452
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<v Speaker 1>out that the this dizzy array of the popular some

453
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<v Speaker 1>of the most popular musical bands of the nineteen sixties

454
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<v Speaker 1>having connections to military and intelligence, with the theory that

455
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<v Speaker 1>the music itself was weaponized the purposes of culture creation

456
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<v Speaker 1>and sort of steering the culture in a certain direction,

457
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<v Speaker 1>undermining the anti war movement. The manipulation of the youth culture.

458
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<v Speaker 1>The creation of the youth culture was preceded by a

459
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<v Speaker 1>decade I think in the early fifties. In Program to Kill,

460
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<v Speaker 1>he says, he provides, He puts forth, That puts forth

461
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<v Speaker 1>the theory that the arrival of the serial killer phenomena

462
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<v Speaker 1>on the American landscape wasn't an organic development or an

463
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<v Speaker 1>accidental development coming out of America's post war you know,

464
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<v Speaker 1>the environment of prosperity, youth culture, a sexual revolution. This

465
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<v Speaker 1>was a plan. This was a weaponized sort of a

466
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<v Speaker 1>domestic application of the Phoenix program, right, and also an

467
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<v Speaker 1>attempt at maybe an update or a modification of murder

468
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<v Speaker 1>Incorporated to carry out certain amount of hits and you know,

469
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<v Speaker 1>and also an attempt to shape the culture, to create

470
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<v Speaker 1>a culture of fear, to sort of expand or then

471
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<v Speaker 1>vergeoning police state, swat teams, FBI, Quantico, uh, Quantico lab

472
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<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff, and the justification of budgets. So

473
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<v Speaker 1>that's that's just that's the thesis of the book. Is that?

474
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<v Speaker 2>Is that?

475
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<v Speaker 1>How you you see his argument?

476
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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, absolutely, and yeah. The majority of the book

477
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<v Speaker 2>is made up of the the serial killing crimes and

478
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:28.759
<v Speaker 2>ritual crimes and then you do have, like you said,

479
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<v Speaker 2>those are those kind of early chapters that dealt with

480
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<v Speaker 2>more of the sex crimes and pedophiles. But you know,

481
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<v Speaker 2>one of the themes that he mentions is that a

482
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<v Speaker 2>lot of these these people seem to have been known

483
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<v Speaker 2>by the establishment, a lot of these devians. And so

484
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<v Speaker 2>the idea here is that because a lot of these

485
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<v Speaker 2>people who were troubled, maybe they were brought up in

486
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<v Speaker 2>very severely dysfunctional homes and then maybe they were molested,

487
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<v Speaker 2>and then having been through the system, they would have

488
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<v Speaker 2>been fingered and earmarked as potential candidates for these kinds

489
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<v Speaker 2>of things. Now that's very scary and that's very daunting.

490
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<v Speaker 2>But when we think about all the other material that's

491
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<v Speaker 2>out there, For example, the way that doctor e and

492
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<v Speaker 2>Cameron was stationed at Mount Royal Psychiatric Institute in Canada,

493
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<v Speaker 2>that's precisely what he was doing. He was finding troubled

494
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.480
<v Speaker 2>people in the psych wards to run his tests on.

495
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<v Speaker 2>When we think about other aspects of the m culture

496
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:42.799
<v Speaker 2>program that will run through various universities and Human Ecology Foundation,

497
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 2>or through these fronts, these psychiatric fronts, they were also

498
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>working in prisons, like in Louisville, Kentucky, excuse me, Lexing

499
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<v Speaker 2>in Kentucky. I think it was one of the sites

500
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>where they were picking out prisoners according to John Marx's book.

501
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>So that dovetails well with Dave's thesis, which is just

502
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<v Speaker 2>that you have if you've grown up in the system,

503
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<v Speaker 2>you know, with somebody like Charles Manson, He's a great

504
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<v Speaker 2>example who's you know, he was in juvenile problems from

505
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<v Speaker 2>like day one, right, so he would have been known

506
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<v Speaker 2>to the system. Is what is what we're trying to

507
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<v Speaker 2>say here, and that a lot of these guys seem

508
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<v Speaker 2>to have a curious pattern of where they end up.

509
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<v Speaker 2>And the serial killers tend to be excuse me, you

510
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:32.039
<v Speaker 2>tend to have these time periods where they spent a

511
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<v Speaker 2>good bit of time in California, Texas, in Florida, excuse me.

512
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<v Speaker 2>And so Dave kind of theorizes that what you have

513
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<v Speaker 2>is in these states is number one, they're they're kind

514
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<v Speaker 2>of obviously to military industrial complex type states, especially with

515
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the the bases in California. And then

516
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<v Speaker 2>you have a lot of drug running that would be

517
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<v Speaker 2>related to the Texas Mexico border, and then obviously drug

518
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>running too from waterways, you know, into Florida, So so

519
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 2>that that requires a lot of deep state apparatus, in

520
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 2>other words, to to keep the drug situation flowing. And

521
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>when you have one black market like drugs, you oftentimes

522
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>have the other ones too, like human trafficking. So drugs

523
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 2>in human trafficking requires sometimes threats and hitmen, and the

524
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the serial killer phenomenon then can have many uses, right,

525
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.759
<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned those in your description, but of course

526
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<v Speaker 2>Dave also mentions the possibilities of unsolved murders. These can

527
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<v Speaker 2>be haystacked, I think, is the term that you've used

528
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>where police departments excuse me, the haystacking is where you

529
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>you you have a target, but you sort of blend

530
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<v Speaker 2>them in amongst a whole bunch of people that you've

531
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>that you've killed, so what appears random. So that's another

532
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 2>one of the thecs here. And then you also have

533
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<v Speaker 2>the notion, like you said, of hay stacks of uh,

534
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, police departments kind of stacking these onto one

535
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.960
<v Speaker 2>guy and really Luke has killed you know, two hundred

536
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>people or whatever, which seems seems a little bit uh implausible.

537
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they took him on a tour. I did that

538
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<v Speaker 1>one yeah, I did that one. Yeah, yeah, that was

539
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 1>me too.

540
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's fascinating too that you know, he

541
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 2>tends to mention with these characters that they they could

542
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 2>have been picked out because they had disassociative identity disorder.

543
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

544
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<v Speaker 2>And that may not necessarily mean that they were like

545
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<v Speaker 2>programmed in the sense of you like sent on the

546
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>mission to do this. Now, they may have been in

547
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 2>some cases, but rather than that, they would have been

548
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>chosen as people who already had mental problems, is when

549
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<v Speaker 2>I'm try. And that would be the cover, right, They

550
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<v Speaker 2>would never be suspected for being used by the establishment

551
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<v Speaker 2>or some nefarious group precisely because they're crazy.

552
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And the reason, I mean the suspicion that that

553
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<v Speaker 1>that sort of uh identification process was in place well

554
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<v Speaker 1>with m k Ultra, the psycho psychiatic profession was completely

555
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<v Speaker 1>taken over by the military and intelligence for the purposes

556
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>of doing just that. So I mean, for example, you

557
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<v Speaker 1>mentioned obviously you and Cameron up and up in Canada, uh,

558
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<v Speaker 1>and he was funded by the Human Ecology Fund, the

559
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<v Speaker 1>c I A. I mean this was George Esterbrooks World

560
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<v Speaker 1>War two.

561
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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You've over in the UK at the Tavistak Institute, which

563
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<v Speaker 1>identified you know, shell shock and trauma and how it

564
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>could be weaponized and manipulated PTSD and the various Uh.

565
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<v Speaker 1>I think I think every prominent psychiatic hospital institution was

566
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<v Speaker 1>somewhere or another one involved with mkultra back in the sixties,

567
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>fifties and sixties. Uh, same with the Actually you mentioned

568
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<v Speaker 1>the prisons Vacaville. There was a Angola prison in Louisiana,

569
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:18.239
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, you mentioned the one in Kentucky. So that's

570
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:22.519
<v Speaker 1>been established. So that's I mean, all the some of

571
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<v Speaker 1>the big heavy hitters in psychiatry and psychology were part

572
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 1>of mk ultra, and so that reporting mechanism would be

573
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>there just for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so exactly right, And even even the public information

575
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:46.480
<v Speaker 2>is over forty universities in institutions like that were involved,

576
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<v Speaker 2>so you know, and that would include I'm assuming universities

577
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that we probably would like. Yeah, it would be some

578
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<v Speaker 2>of the obvious ones like Stanford and Harvard. You know.

579
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.519
<v Speaker 2>The ted Kyzenski was part of the m k Ultra

580
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<v Speaker 2>project in.

581
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<v Speaker 1>Right, and I think his victims were connected to SRI I. Yeah, okay,

582
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<v Speaker 1>if if the official narrative is has any truth to

583
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:11.320
<v Speaker 1>it right, which is which is interesting. I mean, so

584
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.039
<v Speaker 1>he's he was an m k M culture test subject

585
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<v Speaker 1>or victim.

586
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<v Speaker 2>By the way, just a little aside. Here have you

587
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 2>seen Spellbound.

588
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>With with with Gregory Peck?

589
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah?

590
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw years ago with Ingenbergman,

591
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>here's all the freudianism I thought was hilarious in it.

592
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is Roudianism. But what's interesting is that if

593
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<v Speaker 2>you go back and watch it, Gregory Peck is being

594
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<v Speaker 2>used as the he what the there's a doctor at

595
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>the institute who's framing Gregory Peck for murder.

596
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:51.079
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

597
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.119
<v Speaker 2>He's doing that because Gregory Peck has this associative identity

598
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.480
<v Speaker 2>disorder and he can't remember what he's done. And so

599
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is in the forties, and I

600
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:02.519
<v Speaker 2>was watching this the other day. I was like, man,

601
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of like an analogy for a lot

602
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:08.360
<v Speaker 2>of Damn Calter type stuff. This fits well with dem

603
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 2>mc gallon's book because this guy believes that he's committed

604
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 2>the murder and it was actually the head of the

605
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>psychiatric institute.

606
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the one with all the savage or Dolly

607
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Art in it.

608
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Correct. Yes, it has a surrealist all seeing eye the.

609
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Artwork, and I think it was George Esterbrooks. He was

610
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<v Speaker 1>the world during World War Two. Was talking about my

611
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:37.119
<v Speaker 1>control and hypnosis and trauma to create used a disassociated disorder,

612
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>multiple snalities to correct.

613
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the essay Hypnosis Comes of Age, which is the

614
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<v Speaker 2>most famous one that you can read. This was a

615
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 2>it's online and it's the nineteen seventy one or two

616
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Science Digest essay that he wrote, and that's where he

617
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<v Speaker 2>kind of lays out his bragging about all I can do.

618
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the essay is older than nineteen

619
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.280
<v Speaker 2>seventy one, but it's that's where you'll find it online,

620
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>is in that that format. But yeah, that's where he

621
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 2>describes the process of hypnosis and the courier and the

622
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 2>keywords and the triggers.

623
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<v Speaker 1>And all that. And did you catch my interview with

624
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<v Speaker 1>doctor Joseph Ferrell recently on common Core? I did, Yeah,

625
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<v Speaker 1>And the he he's made it well and that interview

626
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 1>knows on several and in the book of course, he

627
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 1>connected uh, the Electronic Testing Service to the Human Ecology Fund.

628
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I did hear that?

629
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>And when you're talking about you're you're talking how these

630
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 1>guys could be identified, profiled as you know, through the

631
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>various because they're identified as being psychological.

632
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>We have the standardized testing exactly standardized testing.

633
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so now, and of course that was all

634
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>done at the behest. I mean they contacted I think

635
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 1>it was conit. I think a Harvard who ran it

636
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>or something. Man, I forget the name right, remember, but

637
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>basically it was It's done to not just identify, you know,

638
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.119
<v Speaker 1>the best and the brightest, or to sort of to

639
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 1>channel people into the professions they think people should do

640
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 1>based on their testing parameters or standards whatever. But you

641
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>could you talk about today, I mean talk about the military.

642
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Does the video games write this interactive video games that

643
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:19.760
<v Speaker 1>go to the Pentagon first shooter games, these things.

644
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Being monitored and kill everybody at the wedding.

645
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so these people can be identified like that. So

646
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I was imagining the technologies former advanced now just with

647
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>obviously with the internet, with our smart devices everywhere and

648
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.559
<v Speaker 1>everything being monitored, what we read, what we buy or

649
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.559
<v Speaker 1>habits being monitored digitally, and that could you know, that

650
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>could flags you know, certain you could get flagged and okay,

651
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>here we get we got somebody, you know.

652
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So let's go.

653
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, so again it's one of the people hear

654
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 1>the stuff says No, I mean that the the literature

655
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.559
<v Speaker 1>of the history is there, and it's been acknowledged that

656
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 1>these that this was done. And again the all the universities,

657
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.840
<v Speaker 1>all the psychiatic hospitals, these prisons, these institutions, uh they're

658
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>supposed to help us protect society were weaponized, you know,

659
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to do something quite opposite of what their with their

660
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>public charter claims they're there to do.

661
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>And if anybody doubts that, all you have to do

662
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>is read the works of Bertrand Russell to understand the

663
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 2>scientific outlook m hm. Because it's ruthless, it's not moral.

664
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 2>They don't have any qualms of using people in that way.

665
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. And of course in the book he he

666
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:42.679
<v Speaker 1>just goes to a list of of of these serial killers.

667
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>They all I'm not all of them, but almost military

668
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 1>intelligence backgrounds UHM experience.

669
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's where we would get the potential Phoenix connection.

670
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 2>But I thought it was interesting that, uh I didn't

671
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 2>actually know a whole lot about Henry Ucas, but you know,

672
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 2>he points had a lot of suspicious things like being

673
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.519
<v Speaker 2>pardoned by w Yeah, he's a good man. Henry Lucas

674
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 2>a good boy. He's a good boy, right. But so

675
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.320
<v Speaker 2>he claims that he was in a satanant colt though

676
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I don't know if it's true, but

677
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 2>that's what Innery Lucas claimed that the hand of Death

678
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Cult you used him and that he was a contract killer,

679
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 2>and that this was associated with human trafficking from Puarez

680
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 2>into presumably Olpasso or Brownswell or somewhere. And this of

681
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.679
<v Speaker 2>course connects to the Death Cult MS thirteen, which is

682
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>the Latin American gang that's you know, connected to all

683
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.639
<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff. And I believe has to have

684
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 2>some kind of help from above. I don't mean God,

685
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:56.199
<v Speaker 2>he's from above from the government, especially with you, because

686
00:40:56.199 --> 00:41:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I watched them documentaries on Sante, which is the cult

687
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>which a lot of the MS thirteen are into, and

688
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 2>you look at the guys who runs cult, and there's

689
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 2>totally shady, obviously involved in some kind of some kind

690
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 2>of thing. And that's that jives well with a lot

691
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.320
<v Speaker 2>of what Dave claims in the Henry Lucas chapter. And

692
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, this is where we he's a good example

693
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>of kind of the archetype of what his thesis is

694
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.480
<v Speaker 2>because Henry was office of a naval intelligence or had

695
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 2>some connection there, or he was spotted there, and maybe

696
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.480
<v Speaker 2>he there's some connection to NATO. I'm looking back at

697
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.679
<v Speaker 2>the at the book here, careful screening of subjects was

698
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.440
<v Speaker 2>accomplished by the Navy psychologists and the military records. Many

699
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>were convicted murderers serving prison sentences and they were put

700
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 2>into this program. Yet here we go. So he's arguing

701
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.480
<v Speaker 2>that in chapter eight that Henry Lucas was probably one

702
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>of these these people in this kind of a program.

703
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 2>And the military is ruthless. You have to understand that too,

704
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Like they're just as ruthless as the scientism of Bertrand Russell.

705
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Like they don't have any qualms of I mean, they're

706
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 2>in the business of killing people.

707
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 1>They weaponized everything.

708
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Right, So you know, to a lot of people, this

709
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>is just sounds so you know, well, we're American, we

710
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do that. You know, we have the Wounded Warrior Project.

711
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 2>We go back and grab our wounded men, we carry

712
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 2>them back, right, But no, that's not really I mean,

713
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:29.719
<v Speaker 2>obviously a lot of people in the military are good

714
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 2>natured and would do that. But that doesn't mean that

715
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>that's the modus opera. And I have the total totality

716
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>of the military. I mean, there's you know, it's compartmentalized.

717
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 2>There's all kinds of secret projects and stuff like this,

718
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, Dave just kind of lists a

719
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.639
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of these characters that seem to pop up

720
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.119
<v Speaker 2>around the same time. And you have Berkowitz, and you

721
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 2>have I think he mentioned Jim Jones or in some capacity.

722
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that Jim Jones was necessarily atary connection,

723
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.800
<v Speaker 2>although we know that he had the connection to Dan Miturion,

724
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 2>who was the CIA guy down in.

725
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Guy.

726
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hello, can you hear me? You're you're getting really

727
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you're cutting up really bad? Have I Now, No, it's

728
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>just super staticky.

729
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me give you and they give you a

730
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>call back. Okay, yeah, clear it up.

731
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Than uh so, Yeah, I think this is a chapter

732
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>eight is one of the one of the more important

733
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 2>chapters in the book because this is where he's talking

734
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 2>about they're called CTS criminal. I don't know what that

735
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 2>stands for, but these are the people who are in

736
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the Phoenix program and they're they're the ones that are

737
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>trained to they're kind of profile to be the psychos,

738
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and then they're kind of let loose obviously the awe

739
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.920
<v Speaker 2>into the offices of psychological terror against the Viet Cong.

740
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>And then these people come back, and you know, they're

741
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:02.719
<v Speaker 2>already known to military, so they could be put to

742
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of use, right, And that's that's a very

743
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 2>enticing theory, I think.

744
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Because what do you do with these men once they

745
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:12.079
<v Speaker 1>come back?

746
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.159
<v Speaker 2>What do you do with these guys? Right? And so anyway,

747
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:20.239
<v Speaker 2>that's that's I'm flipping through the chapter. So that that

748
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.079
<v Speaker 2>was a really important chapter. And I didn't know anything

749
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.159
<v Speaker 2>about the Mathea mortros culled. That was totally new to

750
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.440
<v Speaker 2>had heard of it, but that was new to me.

751
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.599
<v Speaker 2>And then so you just realized that there's so many

752
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 2>examples of this stuff that it's kind of just been

753
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 2>forgotten in the you know, in the news. Like I

754
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.960
<v Speaker 2>remember this back in the eighties or nineties or whatever

755
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.119
<v Speaker 2>it was, but in the eighties, but you know, we

756
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 2>were told that there was that was all a Satanic

757
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>panic created a by Roaldo. There was no real Satanism,

758
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 2>there was none of this. It was just a panic.

759
00:44:53.719 --> 00:45:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Yet throughout the eighties and nineties, the Juarez was the

760
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.679
<v Speaker 2>world capital for missing women. And I actually went and

761
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 2>looked up a lot of Dave's claims and articles on this,

762
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:13.440
<v Speaker 2>not only because I had traveled last summer too California

763
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.159
<v Speaker 2>and stopped in El Paso on the way and I

764
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>saw Juarez and it made me think of the movie Cicicario,

765
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 2>and I was thinking, good grief looks so awful over

766
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>at Juarez. And in Cecario, the story is that the

767
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 2>FBI girl is tricked into working with this military out

768
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>of Shae. She's out of Shae for a military outfit

769
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.000
<v Speaker 2>that's run by the CIA, and she thinks that she's

770
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 2>going to take out a drug dealer assassin, and really

771
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 2>all that what what was happening was that the CIA

772
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.840
<v Speaker 2>was taking out a rival drug dealer yea, And so

773
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.599
<v Speaker 2>they do the FBI girl anyway, so that all takes

774
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 2>place in Juarez in the in the movie. Yeah, I'm

775
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.119
<v Speaker 2>sitting here eating this chapter in Dave's book, and I'm like,

776
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 2>this is straight out. This sounds just like Secario. And

777
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>you know it's not hard to believe. I mean if

778
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 2>you go and you you know, you look at the

779
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 2>border wall there in El Paso when you look over

780
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.519
<v Speaker 2>into the water as it just for a second, it

781
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:16.360
<v Speaker 2>looks like a hell hole.

782
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, they got to keep it a hell hole because

783
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 1>it's also a good source of.

784
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Cheap labor for the Well, that's what Davison points out too,

785
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.440
<v Speaker 2>is that this is a big part of NAPTO was

786
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 2>being able to move all the sweatshops there. But you know,

787
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 2>he argues that there's a lot more going on that

788
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.360
<v Speaker 2>it's not just sweatshops that you know, the women are

789
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 2>going missing for a reason. Yeah.

790
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, that Rancho Diablo, which is an interesting name.

791
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.159
<v Speaker 2>For yes, that comes up in here too. Yeah, that's

792
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.599
<v Speaker 2>is that the one that's connected to the mapa Moros.

793
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 1>And there was rated by the Texas Rangers eventually, yes, exactly,

794
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 1>and they found bones all over the place, and again

795
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.760
<v Speaker 1>for years, people ignored it for years. That's just a rumor,

796
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.840
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a myth. And I think that's the

797
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:06.039
<v Speaker 1>one that Henry Lucas talked about, isn't it. And Henry

798
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Lucas is an interesting story because you know, he's supposed

799
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 1>to be the serial killer because he teamed up with

800
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.280
<v Speaker 1>two three different people at a time. One of his partners,

801
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>tool otis Toole, who has been linked to the death

802
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>of Adam Walsh. And everyone knows, you know, the uh

803
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 1>uh most want what's that show on Fox? Uh? Not

804
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.519
<v Speaker 1>most wanted? What was it? Walsh? He'd had that show on.

805
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Fox News America's most wanted.

806
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Of course, that was in nineteen eighty one. His son

807
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:40.159
<v Speaker 1>missing a sears in a Roebuck in nineteen eighty one

808
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 1>and the boy's head was on floating in the canal

809
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.400
<v Speaker 1>otis tool was taken in for questioning for that crime,

810
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:53.079
<v Speaker 1>and the police at the time lost the machete and

811
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>even the I believe in the automobile that he had used,

812
00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and they let him go and he and he was

813
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 1>in prison again later on, and he supposedly confessed to

814
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that crime. And if you know, you're probably too young

815
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to remember, but I remember that very well because that

816
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 1>was one of these national stories. We started getting national

817
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>stories in the eighties about missing kids. We didn't get

818
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 1>those in the seventies as regional. And it he was

819
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 1>one on Phil Donahue Show and all this, and you know,

820
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.320
<v Speaker 1>it became a crusade about missing exploited children. And of

821
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 1>course the fact that the head was separated, you know,

822
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.840
<v Speaker 1>suggests some sort of maybe satanic thing. But this gets

823
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>into the sort of the alchemical I guess, element of

824
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.519
<v Speaker 1>the Serira Chillar phenomena that Michael Hoppin gets into. But

825
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:44.400
<v Speaker 1>even Dave McGowan talks about it creating fear, creating an

826
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.039
<v Speaker 1>adami society where kids can wander, go out in place,

827
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 1>communities no longer cohere. This just getting it out there

828
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.440
<v Speaker 1>like that would terrify the community. And it was.

829
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:55.679
<v Speaker 2>It was.

830
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>It was a trauma for the entire nation the way

831
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the media covered it. And and what's strange is, of

832
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 1>course this Jeb Bush, the governor of Florida, otis tools

833
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:11.800
<v Speaker 1>arrested the governor of Texas. But again, in all the cases,

834
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 1>whether it's the same thing with John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer,

835
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:21.719
<v Speaker 1>otis tool is inexplicable, complete police incompetence, the failure to

836
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.280
<v Speaker 1>follow up on things. And that's what he points out,

837
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you know.

838
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this comes uh to the four especially in

839
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 2>the case of Oh my mind just went blank. I

840
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.440
<v Speaker 2>watched the after I read the book, I watched a

841
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:41.599
<v Speaker 2>four hour TV movie.

842
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was on John Wayne Gacy with Denny Right.

843
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So here he's essentially now that the TV show moved.

844
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 2>The TV movie kind of hints at it, but not really.

845
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>They don't go into the fact that he was seems

846
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.719
<v Speaker 2>to have been operating very well with the local police,

847
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, as if maybe he was maybe their guy,

848
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.480
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like their guy to take

849
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 2>out people, because if there was a gay prostitution slash

850
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.360
<v Speaker 2>drug ring, then presumably in that kind of a setting,

851
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.880
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be worried about narcs, and so you know,

852
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Speaker 2>you might need to have somebody around to take out

853
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the narcs. No, I don't know if that's exactly what

854
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 2>was going on with him, but but I mean that

855
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.440
<v Speaker 2>makes that makes sense in terms of the police and

856
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:41.119
<v Speaker 2>competence and the fact that he was this very prominent

857
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>member of the community and the j CS and you know,

858
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.400
<v Speaker 2>all these civic organizations that he was a part of.

859
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 1>David Guta makes a point in the book he talks

860
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.239
<v Speaker 1>about the who idea of the serial killer profile. He says,

861
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 1>most Americans are probably familiar with what is considered the

862
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:02.559
<v Speaker 1>classic serial killer profile. This was the notion for a

863
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.679
<v Speaker 1>first put forth by the venerable FBI, which coined the

864
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.079
<v Speaker 1>term serial killer and pioneered the concept of profiling in

865
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 1>an alleged attempt to understand the phenomenon of the mass murder.

866
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>It appears to be the case, though, that the concept

867
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 1>of the serial killer profile was put forth to largely

868
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 1>misinform the public. And if you scrutinize these cases, one

869
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.800
<v Speaker 1>can't help but agree with the mister McCowan on that point,

870
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 1>because none of them like to buy buying torturing, kill killer,

871
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>none of us, none of us supposed to kills follow

872
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 1>any profile. And that's one that's the case of hay

873
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 1>Stacking put potentially because one of those first kills was

874
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:45.840
<v Speaker 1>this military guy who told his son that someone's after him,

875
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 1>and the whole family was wiped out, his wife who

876
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.039
<v Speaker 1>was trained in martial arts. Two dogs I think were killed,

877
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 1>another son and him.

878
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, and Dave makes the argument that it looks a

879
00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:03.760
<v Speaker 2>lot more like a actual operations trained person, Yeah, came

880
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:07.400
<v Speaker 2>in and did this, as opposed to you know, this

881
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 2>weird creepy guy that's just kind of you know, stalking

882
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 2>around the neighborhood. You know, like like we're what we're

883
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 2>told it is.

884
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.239
<v Speaker 1>And uh, the you meant in your talk you talked

885
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 1>about the Zodiac killer you know, and how of course,

886
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>how again, well, there's a boot that was identified as

887
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.400
<v Speaker 1>being a navy issue or something, right, right, so military,

888
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>And I guess that seems that there again, that seems

889
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to be a case with a lot of people doing it,

890
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:43.679
<v Speaker 1>some of them some of the people.

891
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, yeah, like burke Wood said, and then burke

892
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Wood says, oh, I was at the working at the

893
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>behest of a larger satanic cult.

894
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.480
<v Speaker 1>The of course, sena same case came on later, that

895
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 1>was the seventies and Maury Terry's book Positive Theory that

896
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.440
<v Speaker 1>it was a cult doing it, and he just Burger

897
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 1>with himself said he was only to the shootings, right,

898
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>And Michael Hoffman sort of examines that case and talking

899
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.880
<v Speaker 1>about all the evidence suggesting that it was indeed multiple,

900
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, perpetrators.

901
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the points exactly one of the points

902
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:26.800
<v Speaker 2>of Oliver Stone slash Quentin Tarantino's movie Natural Born Killers

903
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 2>is that the media is really what creates and gives

904
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 2>everybody the impression of the serial killer. So I mean,

905
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I don't know how cognizant they were of

906
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Dave's book, but I'm saying or Dave's word because I

907
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:45.400
<v Speaker 2>think that that that movie came out when I was

908
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 2>in high school. But the point of the movie is

909
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.840
<v Speaker 2>that the media makes these people in two stars, that

910
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.719
<v Speaker 2>makes their media creations, is what I'm trying to say.

911
00:53:55.599 --> 00:54:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And so that once again shows the role of mass

912
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>media in terms of sciops. Because you know, if Dave's

913
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.480
<v Speaker 2>thesis is right, then that's why we don't see them anymore.

914
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 2>They're not needed anymore. That's where did all the zero

915
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:14.800
<v Speaker 2>killers got? Where are they?

916
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the work, the work's been done, I guess exactly

917
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the getting into the the why this you look at it?

918
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.840
<v Speaker 1>When the serial killer emerged against the late sixties, I

919
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:27.920
<v Speaker 1>think the Zodiac Killer was probably we're at you at

920
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the the salvo. The Boston Strangler another case where none

921
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:36.079
<v Speaker 1>of the doesn't fit any of the profile. In fact,

922
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:38.159
<v Speaker 1>people think he went to prison for his being the

923
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Boston strangler. He didn't. He was convicted for another crime.

924
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:44.239
<v Speaker 1>And I think it was weird as f Lee Bailey

925
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>was his lawyer who presented the strange defense that he

926
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.039
<v Speaker 1>that he was not innocent, not guilty of the crime

927
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.320
<v Speaker 1>is charged because he was busy strangling somebody. I think

928
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 1>that was his defense.

929
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

930
00:54:56.199 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 1>But d Salvo himself looks like some sort of mind

931
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:02.280
<v Speaker 1>control victim. U. Yeah, and there's only there was no age,

932
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 1>women of all ages. There's no profile to it, and

933
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.159
<v Speaker 1>it's just one of these weird cases.

934
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh. By the way, Ted Bundy also is one of

935
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:18.199
<v Speaker 2>says claims that there were other people involved. Yeah, so

936
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that it was he wasn't just him as the loan gunner.

937
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. And that's another thing to remember. He's able

938
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.239
<v Speaker 1>to break out of prison and kill multiple girls at

939
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:31.280
<v Speaker 1>a sorority. And I mean it's like, how does he

940
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.679
<v Speaker 1>breaks out of prison and able to same thing Richard

941
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Speck remember his case, and he broke into the nurses

942
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:45.440
<v Speaker 1>dorm or something and was able to murder multiple girls

943
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:47.599
<v Speaker 1>as they waited. I mean they were like locked in

944
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 1>a room and waited. Uh.

945
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, but I don't remember the detail. But I remember

946
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.440
<v Speaker 2>you noticed this coming up too. And Richard Ramirez' case.

947
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.760
<v Speaker 2>He he said to have been trained by his relative

948
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.719
<v Speaker 2>who was a military killer of some sort.

949
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in Vietnam. Was in vietnamause I think his cousin,

950
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the old brother or something. Yeah, it was true.

951
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:16.440
<v Speaker 2>And then Bobby Joe Long is the cousin of Lucas.

952
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:23.559
<v Speaker 1>That's all the family. But look at the context when

953
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.440
<v Speaker 1>this is happening, is we're talking about the nineteen sixties,

954
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the Vietnam War, and what the Vietnam War represented a

955
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.039
<v Speaker 1>lot of motivations for that war. Wasn't the domino theory,

956
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.079
<v Speaker 1>you know. Obviously, one was big war contracts milled, a

957
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of spending Kellig Brown and Rute, a lot of

958
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:45.039
<v Speaker 1>harbors to be dragged, a lot of helicopters get shot

959
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:50.000
<v Speaker 1>down and maintained and replaced in these things. Another motivation

960
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 1>for the war chrismas heroin. We've talked about that. But

961
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:56.320
<v Speaker 1>another one I think Chris, when I talked to Chris Milligan,

962
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:58.079
<v Speaker 1>he comes up with the theory that the war itself

963
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:02.360
<v Speaker 1>was intended as a trauma for society. It's society to

964
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of create a divide between generations. Yes, this gets discoes,

965
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, they broader theory behind the counterculture. And order

966
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.639
<v Speaker 1>to get the counterculture, you needed a war to protest.

967
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:21.199
<v Speaker 1>And so the overall trauma of that war. Of course,

968
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.800
<v Speaker 1>within that war and the war itself provided a great

969
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:29.079
<v Speaker 1>opportunity not only to experience to test various weapons, weapons systems,

970
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.079
<v Speaker 1>weapon platforms, the most of psychological warfare. Of course, Doug

971
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Doug Valentine's work on the Phoenix program is invaluable in

972
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:39.199
<v Speaker 1>understanding the Phoenix program. What his intent was was to

973
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>counterinsertainty program to destroy what referred to as the civilians

974
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.480
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure of the Viet Cong. Of course, what that really

975
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:52.599
<v Speaker 1>means is on the ground is killing a lot of

976
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.320
<v Speaker 1>innocent people, torturing a lot of people, terrorizing them.

977
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:01.519
<v Speaker 2>It's what you see in Apocalypse now. Yes, yeah, yeah,

978
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:10.079
<v Speaker 2>and that's of course created by William Colby. And I

979
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:11.079
<v Speaker 2>just lost my train of thought.

980
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, well, the implication is that

981
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.559
<v Speaker 1>if in order to subdue the civilian population of Vietnam

982
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:24.239
<v Speaker 1>to achieve whatever reject of the US government had in

983
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Vietnam at the time. Oh yeah, I'm go ahead, I'm sorry.

984
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I remember now. So yeah, what you start to notice

985
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 2>is that these operations that are run for foreign psychological operations.

986
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 2>This is what I've been noticing the last couple of years,

987
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 2>especially when you study the phenomena of the Color revolutions

988
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:48.039
<v Speaker 2>and Arab Spring and then all that kind of stuff,

989
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.039
<v Speaker 2>And then you also look at the School of the

990
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Americas and the Desk squads, and then you start to

991
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>realize that that the foreign ops are kind of test tubes,

992
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and then maybe it looks like at times they'll they'll

993
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>bring that back home and do it mastically. So it's

994
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.639
<v Speaker 2>not this is a pattern. I guess it's been going

995
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:05.400
<v Speaker 2>on for a long time, That's what I'm trying to say.

996
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's attempted to destabilize, and of course you're

997
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 1>going to destabilize Honduras or l Salvador or Peru or

998
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Chile in a different way that you destabilize you know, Springfield, America,

999
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:23.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, Los Angeles. But uh, yeah, so the idea

1000
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.119
<v Speaker 1>of the Phoenix program. Obviously things like the I don't know,

1001
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Department Home Security grew out of the Phoenix program. The

1002
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.199
<v Speaker 1>ideas before it, you know, the basic idea of these

1003
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:39.199
<v Speaker 1>whole idea of of fusion centers is an adaptation of

1004
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the Phoenix program to model people. So all these so

1005
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:46.320
<v Speaker 1>these things don't go away. They're you know, they're you know,

1006
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 1>they're tested and they're modified. But the idea of perhaps uh,

1007
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:00.320
<v Speaker 1>destabilizing the home front for for a particular reason, for

1008
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.119
<v Speaker 1>some sort of as MIKEA. Hofflin Systems of Alchemical process

1009
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:08.400
<v Speaker 1>so so to debate or degrade, to break down, to

1010
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:13.239
<v Speaker 1>atomize the civilization and the community. And obviously you get

1011
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that with the fear of crime and the serial killer

1012
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the he talks about it. Uh yeah, of.

1013
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Course, that's the grado, the blackening.

1014
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.440
<v Speaker 1>There you go, yeah, yeah, you're right exactly. Of course,

1015
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 1>many serial murders are nothing more than the work of

1016
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.480
<v Speaker 1>a single individual acting on a graphic horror movie he saw,

1017
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.199
<v Speaker 1>or responding to a powerful psychotic impulse, impulses for aggression

1018
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.519
<v Speaker 1>and predation. But many other serial murders involved the cult,

1019
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.559
<v Speaker 1>a cult protected by the US government and the corporate

1020
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.360
<v Speaker 1>media with strong ties to the police. These murders, you know,

1021
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:47.920
<v Speaker 1>obviously you're starting on John Wan Gacy's evidence of that

1022
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.920
<v Speaker 1>these murders are actually intricately choreographed rituals, performed first on

1023
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a very intimate, secret scale among the initiates themselves in

1024
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:59.119
<v Speaker 1>order to program them, then on a grand scale amplified

1025
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:03.119
<v Speaker 1>and calculatul and caculably by the electronic media like natural

1026
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.880
<v Speaker 1>born killers. Right right, yeah, So there you go, and

1027
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.559
<v Speaker 1>this one gets in the end, what we have is

1028
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:11.159
<v Speaker 1>a highly symbolic ritual working broadcast and millions of people,

1029
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a Satanic inversion, a black mass where the pews are

1030
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:18.840
<v Speaker 1>filled by the entire nation, and through which humanity is paganized, brutalized,

1031
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:24.239
<v Speaker 1>and debased in this negrado phase about chemical process. Yeah,

1032
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.360
<v Speaker 1>so there you go, you're right, yeah, pressure you remember that? Yeah?

1033
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh And well, like I can see reading that if

1034
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 1>you're just like an average Joe, you know who just

1035
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 1>what is this guy talking about? But the uh and

1036
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you see that in burker Ritz, You see that in

1037
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:44.920
<v Speaker 1>uh in Bundy, you see it in John Wayne Gacy

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<v Speaker 1>and all these things. Jack the Ripper, Yeah, Jack the

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<v Speaker 1>Ripper is uh uh he chases the back duffer who

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<v Speaker 1>the guy's Laura gall I think was his name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of these like high level British Mason.

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<v Speaker 1>Free Mason abortionists.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea.

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<v Speaker 1>And the point is, and he makes the point in

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01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.679
<v Speaker 1>psychological warfare and secret society's suicide and psychological warfare is

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of process won't work in a society that's healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>So the study has to be broken down bit by

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<v Speaker 1>bit gradually, where if society gets brutalized and aren't brutalized

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01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 1>enough and did great enough, then it does work, because

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01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.039
<v Speaker 1>a healthy society will have a natural defense mechanism for

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01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:31.599
<v Speaker 1>these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he uses the term theater of cruelty. So the

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01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:43.199
<v Speaker 2>whole nation or the whole society becomes like the horror

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01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:47.800
<v Speaker 2>movie and it's intended to brutalize, and that that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of goes It's a trauma based mind control on a

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<v Speaker 2>mass scale. And so in Dave's book, he talks about

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<v Speaker 2>the blooding. He's I'd never heard it called that. I've

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01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.920
<v Speaker 2>just always heard people say, you know, people that are

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01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:06.559
<v Speaker 2>severely disturbed, like these killers, you know, they're just traumatized.

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<v Speaker 2>But he calls it a blooding that at a certain

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<v Speaker 2>point in their lives, when they're younger, they're intentionally exposed

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<v Speaker 2>to the macabre and to something bloody or traumatic. Do

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01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:21.039
<v Speaker 2>you remember what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like you know, there's sixteen and they get a

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01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.760
<v Speaker 2>job at a morgue or something and they're like dealing

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01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.760
<v Speaker 2>with cadavers and then you know, weird stuff's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, this is I'm not saying that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>who is a mortician's evil. I'm just saying that in

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<v Speaker 2>the cases of these people, He's noted that as a

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01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:48.000
<v Speaker 2>consistent pattern that you know, they had some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>grotesque exposure you know that scarred them I guess in

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<v Speaker 2>some way at a formative period in their life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he makes point what this, what these uh,

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01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:08.920
<v Speaker 1>what this trauma creates is? He says, it's a what

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01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:11.280
<v Speaker 1>we observe in the population today. Are there three destructive

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01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.239
<v Speaker 1>symptoms of persons whose minds are controlled by alien forces?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what he means by that is the psychological

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01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:20.840
<v Speaker 1>warfare amnesia, i e. Loss of memory, abulia, loss of will,

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01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and apathy loss of interest in the events vital to

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01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:27.039
<v Speaker 1>one's on health and survival. Amnesia, abulia, and apathy are

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01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.679
<v Speaker 1>nearly universal amongst today and gaining a greater foothole each

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01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:36.280
<v Speaker 1>passing day. This and this is done again through the

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01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:40.320
<v Speaker 1>electronic media, through entertainment. He even talks about what breads

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01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and circuses and the effects.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that Negrado process. Uh. It's a page sixty seven

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01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:49.840
<v Speaker 2>that may have been where you were reading. But he says,

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<v Speaker 2>in the end, we have a highly symbolic ritual broadcast

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01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.679
<v Speaker 2>to millions of people, a satanic conversion of black matter,

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01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:58.960
<v Speaker 2>where the peues are filled with the entire nation, the

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01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Negrado phase. Then he goes to say. The French adept

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01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Antony and Are Todd, architect of the Theater of Cruelty,

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01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:09.679
<v Speaker 2>wrote about this in terms of the group mind. Aside

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01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.360
<v Speaker 2>from trifling witchcraft of country sorcerers, there are tricks of

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01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:17.440
<v Speaker 2>global who do in which all alerted consciousness participate periodically.

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01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:20.480
<v Speaker 2>That is how the strange forces are aroused and transported

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01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:23.719
<v Speaker 2>to the astral vault, to that dark dome. Now this

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01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:25.679
<v Speaker 2>all sounds kind of crazy, but what the guy's saying

1099
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:29.880
<v Speaker 2>is that when you have a huge event like the

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01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:33.599
<v Speaker 2>whole nation's fixated on Manson or the whole nations fixated

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01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:39.400
<v Speaker 2>on Zodiac or nine to eleven, that it's understood that

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01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:46.519
<v Speaker 2>you can reason from the individual to the collective. So

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01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:50.760
<v Speaker 2>if you have an individual who is traumatizing because he's

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01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.840
<v Speaker 2>fixated on you know that the shock that happened, that

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01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:59.360
<v Speaker 2>you can do that same process on a mass scale

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01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.800
<v Speaker 2>through having everybody's energy and focus, you know, an attention

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01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:07.440
<v Speaker 2>on you know, whatever this gigantic so called crime is,

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01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:09.920
<v Speaker 2>z Yeah or Manson or whatever, and that what that

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01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.480
<v Speaker 2>does is then that everybody's participating in this process of

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01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:19.840
<v Speaker 2>being being ritualized. You're you're being You're going through the

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01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.800
<v Speaker 2>ritual process. I've written a bunch of articles on mass

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01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.559
<v Speaker 2>media is like a ritual process. But but anyway, that's

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01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:28.480
<v Speaker 2>what that's what happens saying. Is that just just hammering

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01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.519
<v Speaker 2>home that point that that I've been arguing too, that

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01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:35.480
<v Speaker 2>you can you can reason from the individual to the

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01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:38.599
<v Speaker 2>from the micro to the macro scale to understand and

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01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.639
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what they did with the kulture is they've

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01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:46.239
<v Speaker 2>expanded the the individual studies to the mass you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, same, not just through the h with drug distribution

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01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and also with meat, mass media and psychological.

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01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Warfare exactly right.

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01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, here's the part he says it much better

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01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.519
<v Speaker 1>than I said. He says talking about he's talking about

1124
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:03.559
<v Speaker 1>revelation the method, and talking about why would they reveal

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01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:06.840
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing? How would that serve the uh, the

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01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:09.880
<v Speaker 1>interest of the cryptocracy? He says, why would the perpetrators

1127
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:12.199
<v Speaker 1>want to their secrets revealed after the fact, even if

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01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it is years later? The question, sorry, the the question

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01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:22.679
<v Speaker 1>can only be definitively answered if one has an understanding

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01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:25.480
<v Speaker 1>of the zeitgeist, which overseers in the cryptocracy have partly

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01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:29.199
<v Speaker 1>manufactured and partly tailored their own operations to coincide with

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<v Speaker 1>As I've pointed out, secrets like this were rarely revealed

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<v Speaker 1>in the past because traditional people had yet had not

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01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:39.079
<v Speaker 1>yet completed the out chemical processing. To make such perverse

1135
01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:44.599
<v Speaker 1>modern revelations to an unprocessed, healthy, vigorous population possessed of will, memory,

1136
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.920
<v Speaker 1>adherence to their deepest inner intuition and interests, and intense

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01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:50.440
<v Speaker 1>interest in their own salvation would not have been a

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01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:53.039
<v Speaker 1>good thing for the cryptocracy. It would have proved fatal

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01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:57.360
<v Speaker 1>to them. But to reveal it after the acts of secret,

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01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, oh sorry, But to reveal it, you know,

1141
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:06.480
<v Speaker 1>players after they've been processed. I lost my quote there. Well,

1142
01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:10.280
<v Speaker 1>basically to reveal it later after they've been processed, they

1143
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.280
<v Speaker 1>can't respond to it, and then they fall into that

1144
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.119
<v Speaker 1>when he was talking about loss of will, loss of memory,

1145
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and apathy, and they can then be you know, they

1146
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:22.720
<v Speaker 1>can then be manipulated.

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01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like the hypnotist with the victim there, you know,

1148
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:31.680
<v Speaker 2>like Spengali. This is the government of Spengali and you're

1149
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:38.760
<v Speaker 2>the beautiful young maiden you know, yeah, in the population exactly.

1150
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but again you're and we're talking again, what's going

1151
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:47.279
<v Speaker 1>on again? It's which why does would go, it's the

1152
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.119
<v Speaker 1>serial killer would come on the scene. In the late

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01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:52.039
<v Speaker 1>sixties and the height of the Vietnam War, and going

1154
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:55.199
<v Speaker 1>into the seventies, you have the economic crisis of the

1155
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:58.439
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, the closing of the gold window at the

1156
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:02.760
<v Speaker 1>end of Breton Woods, the debasement of the dollars and

1157
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:07.520
<v Speaker 1>coincides also the cultural debasement of the of the American people.

1158
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:14.039
<v Speaker 1>This feminism, the promotion of perversion like gay rights through

1159
01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:17.479
<v Speaker 1>planned parenthood, these things. This is trending society upside down

1160
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and making everyone confused. The uh targeting of things like

1161
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.439
<v Speaker 1>the family that was that occurred would also lead to

1162
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:32.560
<v Speaker 1>further degradation also for the trauma, which would complete the process.

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01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:37.079
<v Speaker 1>What you're seeing now, the confusion we're seeing exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, the the alchemical process includes the

1165
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:48.199
<v Speaker 2>period or the stage of androgyny, and that's ultimately the

1166
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:52.319
<v Speaker 2>meaning of the bathroom met symbol altheum that is, androgynists

1167
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:55.800
<v Speaker 2>has both genders. And if you listen to a lot

1168
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.720
<v Speaker 2>of interviews with these people who are really into this

1169
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:03.239
<v Speaker 2>trans stuff, and I'm speaking kind of across the board,

1170
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:11.920
<v Speaker 2>like if they're into transhumanism or trans maybe well maybe transvestite.

1171
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.920
<v Speaker 2>But there's there's some pop culture so called icons who

1172
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:20.600
<v Speaker 2>have uh watched documentaries on who talk about their their

1173
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.439
<v Speaker 2>beliefs and why they wanted to change their genders, like

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01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:27.199
<v Speaker 2>this weirdoh Genesis p Orridge, who's a kind of a

1175
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:31.399
<v Speaker 2>punk figure, post punk or whatever you call it just

1176
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:36.159
<v Speaker 2>makes noise. The guys mentally eat unstable obviously, but he

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01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:40.680
<v Speaker 2>went through the gender process or to some degree gender

1178
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.479
<v Speaker 2>change excuse me, reassign or whatever, and he's he goes

1179
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:46.680
<v Speaker 2>into it and he starts talking about alchemy. He says, well,

1180
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:49.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm a fervent believer in alchemy, and I believe that

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01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:54.920
<v Speaker 2>in the original state of whatever the divine was or

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01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:59.079
<v Speaker 2>whatever we evolved from, that it was neither male nor female,

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01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.399
<v Speaker 2>or in some cases they'll actually say they believe that

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01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:06.039
<v Speaker 2>it was female that we all evolve from, like some

1185
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:12.159
<v Speaker 2>sort of feminine primal cell. So you get In other words,

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01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it's all based on nonsense. It's all based on myths

1187
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and gnostic fables. But they will say that since and

1188
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.119
<v Speaker 2>this isn't neo platonism too, and platonism, that the original

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01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.640
<v Speaker 2>unity could not have any distinctions or particularities, that couldn't

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01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:31.840
<v Speaker 2>have masculinity or femininity, so it had to be that

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01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:33.880
<v Speaker 2>that has to be the state that we got to

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01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:37.079
<v Speaker 2>get back to. Right, and this fits all into the

1193
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:39.399
<v Speaker 2>stuff that Huxley talks about openly. So you have to

1194
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:42.359
<v Speaker 2>we have to get rid of distinctions. That the enemy

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01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:46.119
<v Speaker 2>of the future will be distinctions, distinct nations, distinct genders,

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01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:51.399
<v Speaker 2>distinct racis, distinct religion, distinct claims. All that has to

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01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:56.279
<v Speaker 2>be destroyed in the name of unity and globalism. That's

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01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:00.680
<v Speaker 2>literally what Huxley says. So they are where of alchemy.

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01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:04.399
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I think even Kestler in Ghosts of the

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01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Machine talks about the whole process is alchemy. And you say, well,

1201
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.359
<v Speaker 2>they're scientists that don't believe in medieval alchemy. Well, it's

1202
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.880
<v Speaker 2>those are just terms for the same process, right. So

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01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:21.680
<v Speaker 2>if you you know, if you take, if you're taking

1204
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:25.279
<v Speaker 2>genetically modify, if you're if you're taking a fish scale

1205
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:28.880
<v Speaker 2>and putting it into a tomato to make the tomatoes

1206
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:35.119
<v Speaker 2>skin stronger against pesticides, you're not doing anything different than

1207
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:38.880
<v Speaker 2>what a medieval alchemist wanted to do. He just didn't

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01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.560
<v Speaker 2>have the means to do it or the technology do

1209
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:43.079
<v Speaker 2>But that's at least what he was trying to do

1210
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:46.760
<v Speaker 2>was you know, mess up creation and whatnot. Uh. And

1211
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.840
<v Speaker 2>that's really what alchemy is is just the the the

1212
01:12:50.880 --> 01:13:01.600
<v Speaker 2>attempt to it's the domination of nature through technical ultimately

1213
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.039
<v Speaker 2>at the chemical biological level. Uh. That's that's what I

1214
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:07.880
<v Speaker 2>read alchemy as. So. Yeah, I mean there's all this

1215
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of spiritual stuff that people try to tack onto it.

1216
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:15.399
<v Speaker 2>Of John d would say, oh, I can turn base

1217
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:20.640
<v Speaker 2>matter into God, you can become God through my alchemical steps,

1218
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:23.039
<v Speaker 2>and enoch in magic. But I think a lot of

1219
01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that stuff is just they were just con men.

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01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:25.800
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Alchemy is is more so chemistry. That's what it eventually becomes,

1222
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:35.399
<v Speaker 2>is the it's chemistry. But but what is so fascinating

1223
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:38.560
<v Speaker 2>is that even if we deride or laugh at the

1224
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:43.800
<v Speaker 2>notion of alchemy, you know, what the establishment is doing,

1225
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:48.760
<v Speaker 2>what genetics research is doing, what bioengineering is doing, what

1226
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:53.800
<v Speaker 2>geoengineering is doing, is actually you know, creating the the

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01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:58.560
<v Speaker 2>monstrosities that the alchemist talked about. Yeah, not liberal Well

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01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they actually do in clone labs.

1229
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Who knows what they're doing. But when we look at

1230
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, sinomics, and we look at the aborted fetal

1231
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:09.920
<v Speaker 2>cells being used for the flavoring in pepsi and four

1232
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:14.600
<v Speaker 2>the vaccines, which is all true. You know that that's alchemy,

1233
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:15.560
<v Speaker 2>that's dark alchemy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you also made it interesting because in your talk

1235
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:25.720
<v Speaker 1>you talk about serial killers, and Michael Hoffman a point

1236
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.680
<v Speaker 1>that's basically it's the promotion of thanatosis, So the cult

1237
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:33.920
<v Speaker 1>of death, it's being promoted in all this h and

1238
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:39.520
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned well, women with multiple abortions and how sort

1239
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:39.800
<v Speaker 1>of the.

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<v Speaker 2>That's never mentioned as psychopathy.

1241
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he makes it's very fun because in psychological warfare,

1242
01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:52.840
<v Speaker 1>secret society and psychological warfare. He says, of course, no

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01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:56.079
<v Speaker 1>matter what her affiliations, Sharon Tate's murder was a heinous crime.

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01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.920
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to note that while much is made of

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01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the murder of her unb baby as being the most

1246
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:05.600
<v Speaker 1>horrible part of the Mason gangs are called violence, women

1247
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.920
<v Speaker 1>who pay physicians to kill their unborn babies are not

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01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:11.640
<v Speaker 1>regarded as guilty of any satanic act, heinous or otherwise.

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01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:14.880
<v Speaker 1>With the sacrifice of Sharon Tate's unborn baby somehow a

1250
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:19.199
<v Speaker 1>ritual precursor for the coming mass sacrifice of unborn children,

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01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:23.079
<v Speaker 1>which was subsequently legalized by the United States Supreme Court.

1252
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:25.359
<v Speaker 1>So this was August nineteen seventy nine. Of course, for

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01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the Wade is January nineteen seventy three. That was an

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01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:30.439
<v Speaker 1>interesting point.

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01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, think about and here we are now with

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01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Kurt Gosmill, m guys like that.

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01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:44.079
<v Speaker 4>So so, I mean, people, people might balk at the

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01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:49.439
<v Speaker 4>idea of ritual and in power behind these kinds of acts.

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01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:54.239
<v Speaker 2>But if you I'm not saying that shamanism is true.

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01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Obviously I don't believe in shamanism, but if you read

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01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:03.159
<v Speaker 2>the approach that shamans have, or the how they go

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01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:06.039
<v Speaker 2>about their process of understanding the world and their ritual

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01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:09.119
<v Speaker 2>process and all that, even though I think they're totally wrong,

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01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.840
<v Speaker 2>in a way, it's perhaps spiritually speaking, a little more

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01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:22.479
<v Speaker 2>closer to the mark because they understand that, you know,

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01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:27.920
<v Speaker 2>they're tapping into entities on the other side. And we

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01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:30.479
<v Speaker 2>would laugh at that, bulk at that in modern America,

1268
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:34.479
<v Speaker 2>we think that that's so superstitious and stupid. But you know,

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01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:38.920
<v Speaker 2>there are many many indigenous tribes and shamans out there

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01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:42.159
<v Speaker 2>in the world, and many of them still take hallucinogens.

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01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:45.439
<v Speaker 2>This is being promoted in our country I've had bad

1272
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.319
<v Speaker 2>experiences on hallucingens, so I know directly that you know,

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01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you're tampering with the psyche and you're tampering with your spirit,

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01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:57.079
<v Speaker 2>and that's a dangerous road to go down. And I

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01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:59.479
<v Speaker 2>also think that the LSD was a big part of it,

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01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:03.439
<v Speaker 2>that that just as the shaman goes through an initiation,

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01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the promotion of LSD I think was a kind of

1278
01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:16.720
<v Speaker 2>ritual process because again and when Gordon Wasson and you know,

1279
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:19.560
<v Speaker 2>these characters went and got the ergots for the creation

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01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:25.439
<v Speaker 2>of LSD at the Sandels Pharmaceutical Corporation, they were also

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01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:30.920
<v Speaker 2>aware of what the shamans were able to do when

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01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the shamans would initiate people. So you cannot divorce these

1283
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:43.039
<v Speaker 2>drugs from that process, even though even though we tend

1284
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.520
<v Speaker 2>to think of them as divorced from it, like oh, yeah,

1285
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.520
<v Speaker 2>we're just partying, we're just hanging out, and I'm saying that, No,

1286
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:52.039
<v Speaker 2>there's an actual power behind these things. That's very dangerous,

1287
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:55.279
<v Speaker 2>and that's why so many people go crazy and you know,

1288
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.239
<v Speaker 2>jump out of buildings and plunging to their death, and

1289
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, see, you know that they get lost in

1290
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.079
<v Speaker 2>other realms in their mind, they're crazy. You know, all

1291
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:07.680
<v Speaker 2>that stuff happens for a reason, because this is very

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01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:12.680
<v Speaker 2>dangerous and basically what I'm saying is a satanic is

1293
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.800
<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I'm not saying that

1294
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.800
<v Speaker 2>drugs in themselves are always bad. Obviously, nothing that God

1295
01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:22.159
<v Speaker 2>created in itself is evil. But what I'm saying is

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01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:27.239
<v Speaker 2>that the mass promotion of these things and the pharmaceutical

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01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:30.399
<v Speaker 2>usage of these things, I think generally speaking, is not

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01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:31.840
<v Speaker 2>for human well being.

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01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, that's if you look at the how many

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01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:37.680
<v Speaker 1>college students I think John Rapperport did I think had

1301
01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:40.359
<v Speaker 1>an article talking about how twenty five percent of college

1302
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:46.800
<v Speaker 1>students are receiving psychotic care. Yes, and they're being dyna

1303
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and they're given you know, psychatrific drugs to deal with

1304
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:54.800
<v Speaker 1>their problems. When you know, anyone looking at why a

1305
01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:58.640
<v Speaker 1>freshman or sophomore college might having might have living problems

1306
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:00.399
<v Speaker 1>because they're away from home for the first time, not

1307
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.479
<v Speaker 1>doing well. Maybe they received a bad education, poor education

1308
01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:05.920
<v Speaker 1>in high school. Maybe I don't know. Maybe you know,

1309
01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:08.079
<v Speaker 1>they're very guilty because they're hooking up too much. Maybe

1310
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:11.239
<v Speaker 1>they're you know, all types of things that have nothing

1311
01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.199
<v Speaker 1>to do with uh, that can that can be dealt

1312
01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:18.159
<v Speaker 1>with through pharmacology. Yeah, but the schools themselves have become

1313
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:25.560
<v Speaker 1>not only uh uh instruments for for debt bondage, you know,

1314
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.640
<v Speaker 1>predatory loan institutions, but they've also become a mass mic

1315
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:33.000
<v Speaker 1>control operation, not just through just do poor education or indoctrination,

1316
01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:34.279
<v Speaker 1>but through drugs.

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01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Apparently, right right, I did. I would recommend people too.

1318
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:42.239
<v Speaker 2>I did an essay or an article I don't know,

1319
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:46.279
<v Speaker 2>four or five years ago, but I can't remember the

1320
01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:50.079
<v Speaker 2>name of the times, something like Masculine Feminine Wisdom or

1321
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:53.199
<v Speaker 2>something like that, and it's about the drug experience. And

1322
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:57.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually arguing against the use of hallucinogens because I

1323
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:01.239
<v Speaker 2>see them as such a spiritual danger. Nobody talks about

1324
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:03.520
<v Speaker 2>them as a spiritual danger. And that's what's very surprising

1325
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:07.359
<v Speaker 2>to me, because you can watch the BBC documentary as

1326
01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:10.000
<v Speaker 2>a whole series of this guy, Bruce Perry I think

1327
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:14.800
<v Speaker 2>is his name, and he just totally really stupid on

1328
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:19.159
<v Speaker 2>his part, went and found like twelve, ten or twelve

1329
01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:22.479
<v Speaker 2>different indigenous tribes and he went through the ritual process

1330
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.199
<v Speaker 2>of all these tribes to be initiated in and most

1331
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:29.039
<v Speaker 2>of them involved the usage of hallucinogens and pretty heavy

1332
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:33.920
<v Speaker 2>talksins at times. And you know, he describes this process too,

1333
01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:37.520
<v Speaker 2>and he really he eventually came to realization that it

1334
01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was all it was. It couldn't really be divorced from

1335
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:49.079
<v Speaker 2>its spiritual significance, and and it ended up being a

1336
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:51.720
<v Speaker 2>bad thing for him, Like he felt like he had

1337
01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:55.479
<v Speaker 2>to go get like psychiatric help eventually after he had

1338
01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.840
<v Speaker 2>done all this, which was completely stupid. I mean, I

1339
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:02.279
<v Speaker 2>can't yeah, assuming that he really did all this, that

1340
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:04.159
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like a BBC put on or something. Yeah,

1341
01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>he really did this. You know, he had to get

1342
01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:10.680
<v Speaker 2>psychiatric help, and you know, he had experienced too much

1343
01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:16.279
<v Speaker 2>dark stuff. But you know, I swear on it that

1344
01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:20.600
<v Speaker 2>it's real. You will you will encounter dark things. Not

1345
01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:22.840
<v Speaker 2>every time, not every single person. I can't speak for,

1346
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:25.680
<v Speaker 2>because it's it's more of a like you kind of

1347
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:28.840
<v Speaker 2>take this inner journey and you're kind of forced to

1348
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:32.079
<v Speaker 2>deal with the issues that you have. Now, some people

1349
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:34.920
<v Speaker 2>think that that's a positive thing and that psychology should

1350
01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:36.760
<v Speaker 2>utilize these things. I don't think it is. I think

1351
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:40.199
<v Speaker 2>that's a trick. I think it's totally dark. You look

1352
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:42.159
<v Speaker 2>at the history of the church for example, when the

1353
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:45.079
<v Speaker 2>church would do its missionary work and they would find

1354
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:49.319
<v Speaker 2>these indigenous tribes and so forth, they were doing this.

1355
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:53.399
<v Speaker 2>It's almost always the same thing like that the Shamans

1356
01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:56.720
<v Speaker 2>who are have been the blast of their mind on

1357
01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:59.920
<v Speaker 2>these drugs and try to control the people through these drugs.

1358
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1359
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:04.560
<v Speaker 2>They they're not These are not healthy people. We have

1360
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:10.039
<v Speaker 2>this mistake and assumption that oh, all the innocent, the

1361
01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:14.199
<v Speaker 2>noble savage right of Rousseau or something. That's not true.

1362
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:19.039
<v Speaker 2>These people are not the noble savages, so that that

1363
01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:22.399
<v Speaker 2>all needs to be I think debunked. And who's the

1364
01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:30.119
<v Speaker 2>woman who did the the famous anthropologist to Margaret Meat.

1365
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Margaret Meat, her stuff is debunked too, that she.

1366
01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Was, Yeah, Chris, she was the spouse of great Greed

1367
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Bateson who weaponized anthropology. Yeah, it was all done to

1368
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:42.600
<v Speaker 1>exploit primitive people. Then the only problems they look at

1369
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:45.319
<v Speaker 1>us as primitive, the general public is primitive being for

1370
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:46.760
<v Speaker 1>being manipulated.

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01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1372
01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I well back if you doctor Hans Uder, and we

1373
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:55.159
<v Speaker 1>were talking about very thing actually, and he's talking about

1374
01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:57.039
<v Speaker 1>you and Cameron and his some of you and Cameron's

1375
01:22:57.039 --> 01:23:00.560
<v Speaker 1>research over there at the Alla Memorial Institute or to

1376
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:06.720
<v Speaker 1>see if psychosis could be well, uh, it could spread

1377
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:08.680
<v Speaker 1>like a disease, like a contagion.

1378
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

1379
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:14.079
<v Speaker 1>And well it's interesting because, like anything, if it could

1380
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:18.159
<v Speaker 1>uh under the pretext of trying to contain the contagion,

1381
01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:21.119
<v Speaker 1>they like a buy weapon, they'd seek to weaponize it.

1382
01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:25.479
<v Speaker 1>How can you can you spread psychosis like a contagion

1383
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>through society? And I think they have and I think

1384
01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:33.279
<v Speaker 1>the serial killer, terrorism, these things fear is in a

1385
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:37.239
<v Speaker 1>way doing that because people lose their critical faculties and

1386
01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:38.479
<v Speaker 1>that you can see that as a sort of a

1387
01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:42.039
<v Speaker 1>psychosis how people respond to these threats that were told exist.

1388
01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:45.359
<v Speaker 1>It's it is a certain psychosis mass communication. I mean

1389
01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:51.199
<v Speaker 1>christalpher for Simpson's book the uh the Science of Coercion,

1390
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:54.720
<v Speaker 1>talks about the whole study of mass communication. It's refinement,

1391
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:57.039
<v Speaker 1>which for mass manipulation. And this goes back to the

1392
01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Princeton Radio Project. In the world of the worlds and

1393
01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:03.840
<v Speaker 1>these things, you know, yeah, it's not there to enlighten

1394
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:08.279
<v Speaker 1>or educate. And a lot of these these figures, I mean,

1395
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.359
<v Speaker 1>whether they're they're put up there to inform us and

1396
01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.479
<v Speaker 1>educate us, they're stage actors, they're they're they're they're spooks,

1397
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the s S agents like you know, you know, mm hmm, yeah.

1398
01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>People have trust in these in these institutions. It's it's amazing,

1399
01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:29.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, out of ignurse. I guess I suppose, you know, right.

1400
01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:34.399
<v Speaker 2>And another thing too is you can't overlook the the

1401
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.039
<v Speaker 2>the drug aspect of a lot of these killers. So

1402
01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these guys were drug addicts or are

1403
01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:41.960
<v Speaker 2>on drugs or.

1404
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Were on drugs.

1405
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.479
<v Speaker 2>So you know, like Manson for example, Manson was bombed

1406
01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:50.199
<v Speaker 2>out of his mind on LSD for for all these years. Uh,

1407
01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:52.359
<v Speaker 2>and you know he's not he doesn't even really seem

1408
01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:54.880
<v Speaker 2>to be president. Like I don't think that that guy,

1409
01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:00.479
<v Speaker 2>whoever he was originally that persona is gone. Yeah. So

1410
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that also suggests again a connection to not

1411
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>just the counterculture and the sixties lifestyle or something like that,

1412
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>but or the hate Ashbury lifestyle, the flower child lifestyle.

1413
01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:21.079
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I think that suggests more is at work, right,

1414
01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because if you've got guys that have been

1415
01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:30.680
<v Speaker 2>through these institutions, the prisons, Vacaville, mental institutions, the juvenile institutions,

1416
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:35.960
<v Speaker 2>and they've been given or on who knows what hallucinogens.

1417
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just I don't think that you can

1418
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:45.800
<v Speaker 2>underestimate the intensity of what can be done through the

1419
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>chemical concoctions that can be made. I mean, you can,

1420
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:54.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, especially back in the fifties and sixties, before

1421
01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.479
<v Speaker 2>people really knew what these drugs were and what they

1422
01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:00.359
<v Speaker 2>could do. I mean, I tend to think that there's

1423
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>probably a connection to the UFO phenomenon as well. This

1424
01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:06.880
<v Speaker 2>is just a speculation on my part, but you know,

1425
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:11.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the experiences that people have on LSD

1426
01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:17.319
<v Speaker 2>or d M T or ayahuasca and all these different ellutions,

1427
01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:22.319
<v Speaker 2>they tend to speak like they're talking to aliens too, right,

1428
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:26.079
<v Speaker 2>if they think they're they're communicating with the gods or

1429
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:30.159
<v Speaker 2>the aliens. So it could also be the case, just

1430
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:32.399
<v Speaker 2>throwing it out there, what if a lot of the

1431
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:38.359
<v Speaker 2>people who think that they interacted with UFOs they could

1432
01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>have been given drugs and it would it would be

1433
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:49.600
<v Speaker 2>very easy to simulate or cause someone to believe that

1434
01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:54.199
<v Speaker 2>in the midst of a serious drug trip. Yeah, I mean,

1435
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:56.439
<v Speaker 2>that would be very easy to do, especially if you

1436
01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:59.520
<v Speaker 2>know your farmer brown or something in the fifties and

1437
01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:02.279
<v Speaker 2>you have no I do what LSD or iahwask Is,

1438
01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:04.960
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? And uh, you know you're

1439
01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:07.880
<v Speaker 2>tested on and then you know, all you'd have to

1440
01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:10.920
<v Speaker 2>do is like turn a fan on outside and blink

1441
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:14.359
<v Speaker 2>some lights, you know what I mean. Farmer Brown would

1442
01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>think that that was a UFO. I mean literally, yeah,

1443
01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:20.920
<v Speaker 2>in the midst of and so then he comes on

1444
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>it comes out, Oh, I've seen I've seen the space visitors.

1445
01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:27.199
<v Speaker 2>They came to me last night. They I was out

1446
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:30.960
<v Speaker 2>of my body, had out of experience, all of which

1447
01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:34.079
<v Speaker 2>all of which lines up with the LSD experience.

1448
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:36.399
<v Speaker 1>That's a great read to. I mean, if you're gonna

1449
01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:40.920
<v Speaker 1>experiment on someone and just when you finish, when you

1450
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:43.079
<v Speaker 1>finish with him, just create like an alien experience and

1451
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>he's totally discredited if he says he guess what happened

1452
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:48.479
<v Speaker 1>to me, I was pro by aliens or something.

1453
01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:53.239
<v Speaker 2>And then I know or or or uh, you know

1454
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Dave mentions in one of the cases, uh kids that

1455
01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>were that were taking had been drugged as well.

1456
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

1457
01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:04.039
<v Speaker 2>And now if you're a child and you've been drugged

1458
01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>or given these crazy drugs, these really intense ones like

1459
01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:10.640
<v Speaker 2>LSD or something, I mean, there's I think you would

1460
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:14.319
<v Speaker 2>absolutely dissociate. And imagine if the person who molested you,

1461
01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they could be wearing a Mickey Mouse outfit,

1462
01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you could be saying you were molested.

1463
01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not joking, by the way, you could be saying

1464
01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I was molested by Mickey Mouse. I was molested by

1465
01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.199
<v Speaker 2>somebody wearing an alien you know, I was mosted by aliens.

1466
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>It was just some pervert and alien suit. Yeah, and

1467
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:34.319
<v Speaker 2>you have their immediate cover.

1468
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean using drugs to exploit people. I mean

1469
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>George Hunter White right operations at midnight Climax, using prostitutes

1470
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>to then film the Johns. And he's the one that

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01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the famous quote that you know I you know I

1472
01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>what was that quote of his? I raped and murdered.

1473
01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I did it all on the under the cover of

1474
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:01.279
<v Speaker 1>the American flag. Had a good time doing it.

1475
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:03.199
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1476
01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:06.119
<v Speaker 1>This is a great quote from him talking about what

1477
01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>he got away with under the cover of national national security.

1478
01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. So it's was it.

1479
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they this was operation they did this operation of

1480
01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>midnight Climax that people drugged them and filled them having

1481
01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:23.079
<v Speaker 1>sex with prostitutes and who knows what else I mean here, Yeah,

1482
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I was I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic.

1483
01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>But I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun,

1484
01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Or else could a red blooded American boy lie killed, cheat, steel,

1485
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:36.159
<v Speaker 1>rape and pillage with the sanction the blessing of the

1486
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Hall of the All Highest. George Hunter White who was

1487
01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:42.119
<v Speaker 1>a counter narcotics officer and also worked with the c

1488
01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:44.079
<v Speaker 1>i A. It was part of the early stages Jim

1489
01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Carlton operation Midnight Climax and that whole operation of Night Climax.

1490
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>They this was a they had these safe houses or

1491
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco.

1492
01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Well they just that they bought from the mom they

1493
01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:58.000
<v Speaker 2>got it from the mob. Uh.

1494
01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>And then you know the sor as the drugs they

1495
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:06.159
<v Speaker 1>went kind of with the Olsley Stanley and the Grateful

1496
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Dead was the marketing angle for that of spreading, you know,

1497
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:13.279
<v Speaker 1>seating the whole country with LSD, seeing what the reaction

1498
01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:16.039
<v Speaker 1>would be, and the rock festivals, festivals themselves. It's a

1499
01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:19.479
<v Speaker 1>money pop or woodstock And Dave mcgott made a point,

1500
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:22.079
<v Speaker 1>then sixty nine was interesting year because you had the

1501
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:25.840
<v Speaker 1>moon landing in July twentieth ninety sixty nine, you're the

1502
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>woodstock in August nine, sixty nine, the Manson killings in

1503
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:34.199
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine. It's really all these and they're all syops,

1504
01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you can see how they're all being

1505
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a related, how they react, how they would manipulate the

1506
01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>country's emotions one way or the other. I mean, it

1507
01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:46.279
<v Speaker 1>really is amazing. And you see it from the broader picture, you.

1508
01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, I mean, and it's it's very difficult to fathom.

1509
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>But then I but but when you read you know,

1510
01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>secret societies and reprogram to kill you, you know, you

1511
01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>can really get a better picture of how not only

1512
01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>is it entirely possible, but that is, you know, the

1513
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:04.600
<v Speaker 2>most plausible explanation for all this.

1514
01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I would say, yeah, so well, Jay, listen, I want

1515
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>to think I think anything else, I mean, you think

1516
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:11.720
<v Speaker 1>we covered it or.

1517
01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I would like to mention the h the last section

1518
01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>just because it's just so funny, bizarre and weird to me,

1519
01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:27.399
<v Speaker 2>and I've never heard anybody else mention this. But just

1520
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the character of Jean Badell Bocassa, the puppet ye and

1521
01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>who claimed him proclaimed himself emperor in nineteen seventy seven

1522
01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:45.039
<v Speaker 2>of Central African Republic, And what's weird about that? By

1523
01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:46.720
<v Speaker 2>the way I went. I went after I read this,

1524
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I went and I watched a bunch of clips and

1525
01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:51.319
<v Speaker 2>documentaries on this guy. I want this one a whack up.

1526
01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:56.119
<v Speaker 2>But he liked to eat his people. He was victorious

1527
01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>over so he would eat his enemies. And then he

1528
01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:04.319
<v Speaker 2>he fled to France. So a lot of funny the

1529
01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Iatola did France too.

1530
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he't out in France too for a while. Yeah,

1531
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:10.399
<v Speaker 1>a while.

1532
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people flee to France. But yeah, so

1533
01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, we think of cannibalism and these kinds of

1534
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:22.399
<v Speaker 2>things as out of the realm of possibility, and nobody

1535
01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>does that. But yeah, I think that again. You get

1536
01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:31.680
<v Speaker 2>people whacked out on drugs and they will eat people. Okay,

1537
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>that's my concluding salvo there.

1538
01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, there was one interesting case they might remember.

1539
01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1540
01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>One of the later serial killers of the nineties was

1541
01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>petering out. Was this character Joel Rifkin.

1542
01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1543
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>You might remember him from the Seinfeld as a character

1544
01:32:47.560 --> 01:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>named Joe Wifton and Seinfeld is a joke. He shared

1545
01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the name of a serial killer he carried killed a

1546
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:54.119
<v Speaker 1>bunch of processuts up in the New York area.

1547
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1548
01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, it turns out, yeah, he was an American Syrica

1549
01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>nineth ninety four to two and three two hundred and

1550
01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>three years in prison for murder murders of nine women

1551
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety three. He is

1552
01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:10.279
<v Speaker 1>believed to have killed seventeen victims between ninety nine nineteen

1553
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:12.319
<v Speaker 1>ninety three. New York City and the Long Island, New

1554
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:16.640
<v Speaker 1>York area. Well, it's interesting is Rifkin often hired prostitutes

1555
01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>in Brooklyn and Manhattan. He lived in East Meadow, a

1556
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>suburban town on Long Island. He was a landscaper for

1557
01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:24.439
<v Speaker 1>William Casey's widow.

1558
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, yeah, somebody somebody brought that up the other

1559
01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:32.039
<v Speaker 2>day on a YouTube video I did. Yeah. And also,

1560
01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:37.359
<v Speaker 2>don't forget Dahmer hanging out with no excuse me John

1561
01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Gacy. Well, Dahmer was able to get his high

1562
01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:47.039
<v Speaker 2>school class like the VIP tour of the Vice President's office,

1563
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:49.840
<v Speaker 2>and then he was going to be an up and

1564
01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:53.399
<v Speaker 2>up and coming GOP guy. And then it was John WAYE.

1565
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Gacy hanging out meeting Jimmy Carter's wife.

1566
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:05.039
<v Speaker 1>That's right, just after having a conviction for child lasstation.

1567
01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:08.239
<v Speaker 1>He was already convicted sex offender, and he got the

1568
01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:12.199
<v Speaker 1>so he got the secret Service button, which usually means

1569
01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:17.119
<v Speaker 1>they're vetted, so which is even more inexplicable. That's just

1570
01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean even more in expled what's interesting.

1571
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned he got the Dahmer got the tour

1572
01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of Walter Monder's office. I think it was nineteen seventy

1573
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:27.760
<v Speaker 1>seven to nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, this may not have

1574
01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>may not be connected at all, but if I recall

1575
01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>my research, Walter Mondale sponsored a law, a federal law

1576
01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:45.640
<v Speaker 1>which gave bonuses for child Protective Service personnel when they

1577
01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>get kids that are taken out of homes for abuse

1578
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>reasons supposedly, uh, and get him adopted. It's a federal law.

1579
01:34:55.279 --> 01:35:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Forget the name of the law itself. Okay, there is

1580
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Georgia State senator I think it was was a Deborah

1581
01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Schaeffer who was exposed in the corruption and child Protective

1582
01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Service as there was a yes, remember a child trafficking ring.

1583
01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:13.039
<v Speaker 1>And part of the incentive for these agents that the

1584
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.600
<v Speaker 1>child pictures was that federal law. They get like a

1585
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars cash bonus. Each kid is removed from

1586
01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>who that has adopted from foster care, which means that

1587
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>kid first has to be removed from a family and

1588
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:27.479
<v Speaker 1>put in the foster care. And she said there was

1589
01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a child trafficking ring being operated under the cover of

1590
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:34.079
<v Speaker 1>that of that service largely funded by the federal law.

1591
01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Walter Monduls, the Senator, was a sponsor of that of

1592
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>that bill. Wow, Okay, I don't know if that's connected

1593
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:41.399
<v Speaker 1>at all to it, but it's interesting.

1594
01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:43.279
<v Speaker 2>To well, it makes sense. But hey, I have a

1595
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of questions.

1596
01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>And of course, Jeffrey Dahmer right going, who was involved

1597
01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>in child sex, rape, murder and all that stuff.

1598
01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, so, well, what you think about Dave's book.

1599
01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you agree with the thesis that a lot of

1600
01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:01.199
<v Speaker 2>the serial killer stuff is hyped up? I mean, I

1601
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>think that you know, there are contract hits, and there

1602
01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:10.119
<v Speaker 2>are these drug gangs, and there is m S thirteen.

1603
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:12.880
<v Speaker 2>That's a real thing. But I mean, do you think

1604
01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>that do you think do you think the Damer thing,

1605
01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>for example, was exaggerated or do you think that it

1606
01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:24.239
<v Speaker 2>was you know, the way they told it.

1607
01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:26.279
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

1608
01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:29.399
<v Speaker 2>You think he had, you know, bodies in the freezer

1609
01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>and stuff.

1610
01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I see no reason. I see no reason to implicitly

1611
01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:38.520
<v Speaker 1>trust with the news we reported about that that could

1612
01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:41.760
<v Speaker 1>all be bs right, and the idea again that gets

1613
01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:45.039
<v Speaker 1>into the whole reason why that gets to the Mica

1614
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Hoffman's thesis. These these people may not be as spectaculars

1615
01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.159
<v Speaker 1>as they think they're there aspect spectaculing the way that

1616
01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:57.760
<v Speaker 1>is gruesome as we're told, because again we're dealing with

1617
01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the media which hesitant sensationalism and of its in and

1618
01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>of itself. But we'll get into what Michael Hoffin says

1619
01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:07.840
<v Speaker 1>about the we're all seeing the pews of the electronic media,

1620
01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and we're all taking this in and just to reporting

1621
01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:15.159
<v Speaker 1>us as gruesomeness, gruesomenessness, a gruesomeness, what's the word, the

1622
01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:18.680
<v Speaker 1>gruesome details is going to have that very effect on us,

1623
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:22.079
<v Speaker 1>you know this, we'll talk about it, and has that

1624
01:37:22.159 --> 01:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>effect that's sort of a degrading of society in general.

1625
01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:30.439
<v Speaker 2>So what would you say, like in Henry Lucas case,

1626
01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:32.720
<v Speaker 2>what do you think is the most we think is

1627
01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:34.840
<v Speaker 2>most likely that went down that they just kind of

1628
01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:37.720
<v Speaker 2>grouped a whole bunch of unsolved ones.

1629
01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't see one man, you know, being guilty, you know,

1630
01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:45.359
<v Speaker 1>being a bit'll pull off hundreds of murders without he

1631
01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>himself getting killed at some point. It's not easy to

1632
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:51.359
<v Speaker 1>kill people. I mean it's right, I mean, you can

1633
01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:53.439
<v Speaker 1>get away with a few times, but killing a human

1634
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>being is difficult. Human being fights back, so it has

1635
01:37:56.359 --> 01:37:58.239
<v Speaker 1>to be I mean a group of people. I mean

1636
01:37:58.319 --> 01:37:59.520
<v Speaker 1>a trained killer can do it.

1637
01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:00.479
<v Speaker 2>I guess right.

1638
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Uh. But you know again, I think I think that

1639
01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:05.439
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of uh. I think Henry Lucas there was

1640
01:38:05.479 --> 01:38:07.479
<v Speaker 1>there to close a lot of again, to close the books.

1641
01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:10.199
<v Speaker 1>One thing that David mcgot didn't include in the books

1642
01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:13.439
<v Speaker 1>that Kurd afterwards was the the d C sniper case.

1643
01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>John Muhammad is bt K after the book too.

1644
01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, after the book as well, he talks about it

1645
01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:24.079
<v Speaker 1>because the interview, Yeah, yeah, in the interview, but the

1646
01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:27.199
<v Speaker 1>I was I'm in the area where the d C

1647
01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>sniper was. In fact, that there's a lady killed just

1648
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:33.199
<v Speaker 1>down the street from my brother's house right now.

1649
01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:37.039
<v Speaker 2>There were news stories that he that he left the

1650
01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:39.479
<v Speaker 2>death card, which is the Special Forces card.

1651
01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I remember that. And then also the fact

1652
01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:49.199
<v Speaker 1>that the police chief Ountain, Moncolm mc County Moose, apparently

1653
01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>was at the same base as John Allen muhammed out

1654
01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>in Oregon. And that's it's weird. Remember that weird message

1655
01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:58.039
<v Speaker 1>he left for him, that cryptic messages and on the

1656
01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:00.680
<v Speaker 1>phone he called these comes out on to the police station.

1657
01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Weird leaves us. It was almost like it's triggering And

1658
01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>the next day I think he's caught in the sleeping

1659
01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:08.359
<v Speaker 1>in the car or something.

1660
01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, yeah, Oh was there ever a reasoning for

1661
01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:15.640
<v Speaker 2>why he was doing that.

1662
01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>They concocted some sort of idea where he was going out,

1663
01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>he was gonna go after his wife and then create

1664
01:39:22.279 --> 01:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of murders to cover it up, which goes

1665
01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:28.760
<v Speaker 1>in that haystacking uh thesis. But they think he again

1666
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:31.720
<v Speaker 1>the media went and said, well, you know, they're probably

1667
01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>responsible for these murders too. Actually did that? They shore

1668
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:37.199
<v Speaker 1>like all these different murders and different states. How John

1669
01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Allen Hamma is probably responsi for those murders as well.

1670
01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>But he he himself had unexplained income. He traveled, kids,

1671
01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>went to private school, he went on ski trips, went

1672
01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:48.359
<v Speaker 1>to the went to the went to the Caribbean several times.

1673
01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he was probably a contract.

1674
01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's what it sounds like. Uh and uh,

1675
01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:56.079
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, given the time that happened, it was

1676
01:39:56.119 --> 01:39:58.359
<v Speaker 1>the fall of two thousand and two, a year after

1677
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:02.039
<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven, and I remember the time thinking what

1678
01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:05.119
<v Speaker 1>the heck's going on? And these weird things were Actually

1679
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>they actually said that look for a white panel van.

1680
01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember that.

1681
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Now. If you drive on the highways around here, I

1682
01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>think every tenth car is a white panel van. What's

1683
01:40:20.760 --> 01:40:21.119
<v Speaker 1>the I mean.

1684
01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:23.239
<v Speaker 2>So that just makes everybody freak.

1685
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Out, freak out, Yeah, And so that gets in this

1686
01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:28.199
<v Speaker 1>whole idea of you know, holdings to the serial killers.

1687
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I remember joking at the time it was like getting

1688
01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:34.439
<v Speaker 1>gasoline pulling people like ducking make my wife go out

1689
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and pump the gas. Hey, honey, can you get at

1690
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:39.039
<v Speaker 1>this time?

1691
01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:41.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1692
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I want to live.

1693
01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:48.319
<v Speaker 2>And it's just as kind of silly as the terrorist story, right, because.

1694
01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:51.279
<v Speaker 1>You your chances of being a victim ian more likely

1695
01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:53.520
<v Speaker 1>getting hit by a car or getting in a car accident.

1696
01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:56.760
<v Speaker 1>We're getting sniped. But again it's the psychological effect. And

1697
01:40:56.840 --> 01:40:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of course within those killings was this one lady I

1698
01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:02.800
<v Speaker 1>think her name is Barbara Franklynn was an FBI agent

1699
01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>who was involved in the weapons and mass destruction cover

1700
01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>up or something okay, and she was gunned down outside

1701
01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:13.800
<v Speaker 1>of home depot so that's an interesting case there. But

1702
01:41:14.199 --> 01:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>again it's one of the other things. If you look

1703
01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:17.319
<v Speaker 1>at all these serial killers, the idea of you being

1704
01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:20.760
<v Speaker 1>killed by a serial killer, the odds, oh really you better,

1705
01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you more more likely get struck by lightning. And but

1706
01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:28.439
<v Speaker 1>again the psychological effect. I think David Berkerwitz, the Son

1707
01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:32.279
<v Speaker 1>of Sam, even the official narrative six six eight victims,

1708
01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:35.960
<v Speaker 1>six fatalities and how many how many homicides are there

1709
01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>are there in New York City every year?

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01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Exactly. Another thing too. I remember I was reading

1711
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:45.479
<v Speaker 2>some of the pop stuff, like Psychology Today articles a

1712
01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:49.319
<v Speaker 2>few years ago about quote serial killers, and you know,

1713
01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a very pc and it's like the serial

1714
01:41:52.640 --> 01:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>killers of middle aged white male who wears the the

1715
01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>wire rim glasses and he's yeah, yeah, very very neat,

1716
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:01.840
<v Speaker 2>tucks his shirt in and all this kind of stuff.

1717
01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:05.159
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sitting here thinking, well, actually, you can go

1718
01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:09.279
<v Speaker 2>look it up. Just the mainstream story. At least, there's

1719
01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>quite a few female serial killers that are never talked about,

1720
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:17.920
<v Speaker 2>but there are they do exist. There are also black

1721
01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>guys who were serial killers that are not talked about.

1722
01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>So actually that the I would say that the there

1723
01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>are you know Latino killers who are pretty vicious, especially

1724
01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:33.720
<v Speaker 2>MS thirteen gang types. So the idea that this is

1725
01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>like the white male, middle aged white male is the

1726
01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:40.600
<v Speaker 2>serial killer is pretty ludicrous. And I also tend to

1727
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:44.279
<v Speaker 2>argue too that I think women who have no compunction

1728
01:42:44.920 --> 01:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>and have had, you know, five abortions, I don't see

1729
01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:48.920
<v Speaker 2>why that's not a serial killer either.

1730
01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, well that goes back to what the Dave

1731
01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>McGowan said about the whole idea of by profiling that's

1732
01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:00.239
<v Speaker 1>there to mislead the public about what the serial killer is. Thing.

1733
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>There's aren't these organic guys that go out and you know,

1734
01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:05.600
<v Speaker 1>they have this obsession and they're you know, like in

1735
01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:09.479
<v Speaker 1>Slians of the Lambs, was going after like something, yeah,

1736
01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>like Cladish.

1737
01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's hunting down you know, doctor lector. Yeah. Right.

1738
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:17.880
<v Speaker 1>The myth is they're they're actually on a mission, and

1739
01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the same way in Phoenix, where yeah, they're doing a

1740
01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:22.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of killing, but there's a reason for it and

1741
01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:25.319
<v Speaker 1>they may they may just they may enjoy it like

1742
01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:29.920
<v Speaker 1>in Phoenix. Uh, but there's they're they're they have controllers

1743
01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:32.159
<v Speaker 1>and the same thing you talk about these M S

1744
01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:36.439
<v Speaker 1>thirteen guys. Uh where Yeah, there's a cult element to it,

1745
01:43:37.319 --> 01:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>because that's how you organize. Hey, that's how you motivate

1746
01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and motivate and control people. But they have handles there,

1747
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.119
<v Speaker 1>and they're they're murdering for a reason, right, They're murdering,

1748
01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:50.760
<v Speaker 1>murdering for a reason. A lot of the black crime

1749
01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:54.119
<v Speaker 1>they're staring black crime rates in the nineteen sixties. At

1750
01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:56.479
<v Speaker 1>first glance, that may have appeared to be you know,

1751
01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>disorganized or or sporadic, but it turns out that a

1752
01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:06.199
<v Speaker 1>lot of these these gang black gangs were being funded

1753
01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:09.800
<v Speaker 1>by the by the federal government through the community Black grants.

1754
01:44:09.880 --> 01:44:14.119
<v Speaker 1>And I believe it was revealed in the Church Committee

1755
01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:18.520
<v Speaker 1>hearings in the nineteen seventies that Sergeant Schreiver, when he

1756
01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:24.079
<v Speaker 1>ran the the Office of econ Economic Opportunity uh gave

1757
01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:26.359
<v Speaker 1>a close to a million dollars to this group called

1758
01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:29.720
<v Speaker 1>the black Stone Rangers, a criminal gang in Chicago, I think.

1759
01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:32.680
<v Speaker 1>And what the function of those groups was to more

1760
01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:35.199
<v Speaker 1>or less just to go out create mayhem, create create

1761
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:38.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of crime, to chase out the whites. And

1762
01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:41.399
<v Speaker 1>this is all part of this program to destroy the

1763
01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:45.720
<v Speaker 1>ethnic neighborhoods, the white ethnic neighborhoods. And encouraged the creation

1764
01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the diaspor into them into suburbia. So this is all

1765
01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:54.119
<v Speaker 1>part of a sort of a strategy tension and destabilization.

1766
01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:59.159
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that movie Circario, right, I mean, that's with

1767
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:04.159
<v Speaker 1>that James Brow character. He tells the lady FBI agent

1768
01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that they're just down there, you know, you know, shaking

1769
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:09.640
<v Speaker 1>some treaties during trouble to see what happens. Of course,

1770
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:11.600
<v Speaker 1>what that really means on the ground is they're going

1771
01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:14.760
<v Speaker 1>in there creating shootouts on the streets, making life a

1772
01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>living hell for the inhabitants down there in Mexico. And

1773
01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:20.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, in your war as they could care less.

1774
01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:21.079
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1775
01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:26.600
<v Speaker 1>That's the same way that perhaps criminal activities such as

1776
01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>drug drug dealing, importation drugs in the certain neighborhoods in

1777
01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the United States, it could be all part of a

1778
01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of a gentrification program.

1779
01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1780
01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:37.439
<v Speaker 1>That's twenty years in the offense.

1781
01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's kind of what.

1782
01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:45.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's the same thing with uh And that was

1783
01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean that one of my points that this was

1784
01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:52.279
<v Speaker 1>this was this type of strategy was was documented and

1785
01:45:52.319 --> 01:45:54.760
<v Speaker 1>improven in the sixties with the Black student Rangers. You've

1786
01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>mentioned how the the the Black Panthers.

1787
01:45:58.279 --> 01:46:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Were radicalized and Richard Aoki.

1788
01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then taken out when they murdered Freddie Hampton

1789
01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:07.119
<v Speaker 1>because they got out of control. They've they've done their job,

1790
01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:09.319
<v Speaker 1>the shelf off had expired, and then they take them out.

1791
01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And when they're taken out, they're used as propaganda for

1792
01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:12.439
<v Speaker 1>the police state.

1793
01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

1794
01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:16.439
<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen seventies you had the Simils Liberation Army, right,

1795
01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:19.720
<v Speaker 1>which grew out of Vaucaville and Colton Westbrook, and.

1796
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:24.039
<v Speaker 2>And that that with Charles Whittmore leads to the creation

1797
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:26.840
<v Speaker 2>of the swat team and federalization of local police.

1798
01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:29.399
<v Speaker 1>The police force. Say that whole shootout, which seems which

1799
01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:34.119
<v Speaker 1>is probably staged. There's some question about Weatherman right, about

1800
01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the growing out of rests and why Billy Aires was

1801
01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:38.560
<v Speaker 1>never read. You know what guilty as hell for as

1802
01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:42.159
<v Speaker 1>a bird was this quote? Yeah, you know the government

1803
01:46:42.319 --> 01:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, technicality, we can't convict him. And that's a

1804
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:47.479
<v Speaker 1>statement of course. He's he's lived a charmed.

1805
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Existence, right, with a whole bunch of foundation funding his stuff.

1806
01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:59.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So I mean, the the silly killer these

1807
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:02.760
<v Speaker 1>this fits right into this. It's the all destabilization and

1808
01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>then psychological warfare bundled in with maybe targeted killings and

1809
01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:16.760
<v Speaker 1>drug running and you know, it's, uh, it's what they do.

1810
01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Part of understanding this, I think is is probably it

1811
01:47:22.039 --> 01:47:25.640
<v Speaker 1>goes back to maybe go back to maybe Doug Valentine's

1812
01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:27.399
<v Speaker 1>book in the Phoenix Program and thinking how would that

1813
01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:30.720
<v Speaker 1>be applied domestically And that's just how it would be

1814
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:35.800
<v Speaker 1>applied domestically here, and how it's an influenced domestic policy

1815
01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:38.840
<v Speaker 1>with the Department of Homeland Security, the Fusion centers, the

1816
01:47:39.119 --> 01:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>idea of you know, manipulating the media these things. How again,

1817
01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:46.600
<v Speaker 1>how it's then how it's projected through these movies, through

1818
01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:49.960
<v Speaker 1>electronic media and promoted. And your your question of regarding

1819
01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:52.600
<v Speaker 1>or some of these stories exagger the groos, you know,

1820
01:47:52.640 --> 01:47:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the gruesome details. Are they presented as you know? Yeah,

1821
01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you're right. I mean there's no reason even to you know,

1822
01:47:58.399 --> 01:48:01.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, to assume that that's even correct. It's just

1823
01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:04.760
<v Speaker 1>it just goes it's for our consumption, you know, good.

1824
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, Yeah, It's it's very Hollywood, isn't it.

1825
01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's like that, and it's like you know, like

1826
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the Serira killar area with the heads propped up, I

1827
01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:15.039
<v Speaker 1>have to buy the dining.

1828
01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Room at the end of seven where yeah, you know,

1829
01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:22.239
<v Speaker 2>who is it, Brad Brad Pitt sees his girlfriend's head

1830
01:48:22.359 --> 01:48:22.640
<v Speaker 2>or something.

1831
01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, decapitated wife's head or decapitated air right, yeah, in

1832
01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the in the box there and all that. So yeah,

1833
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>so well let's say, yeah, well, yeah, it was a

1834
01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:35.039
<v Speaker 1>great talk. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I mean, your analysis

1835
01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:38.079
<v Speaker 1>was a good program to kill. Is there anything else?

1836
01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:43.159
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that that's good. I mean there could

1837
01:48:43.159 --> 01:48:46.159
<v Speaker 2>be a whole probably, yeah, there could be a whole

1838
01:48:46.199 --> 01:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>separate discussion of the secret societies and psychological warfare. But yeah,

1839
01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:51.560
<v Speaker 2>both of the books dubtail.

1840
01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Well again, the serial killer phenomenon tends to the coincide

1841
01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:58.720
<v Speaker 1>with a psychological warfare. The post war era sort of

1842
01:48:58.800 --> 01:49:02.319
<v Speaker 1>a well, the Vietnam more, the economic problems, the trauma,

1843
01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:07.079
<v Speaker 1>societal of destabilization. The whole thing was sizon to be

1844
01:49:07.159 --> 01:49:11.199
<v Speaker 1>turning upside down. And yeah, the old rules didn't apply anymore.

1845
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Families were breaking up in the hot you know, increasing

1846
01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:18.359
<v Speaker 1>divorce rate, the yeah, all this stuff, Uh, it's all

1847
01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>part of it. It was all part of it. And

1848
01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:22.640
<v Speaker 1>see it in the in that context, and.

1849
01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I think it's important to point out too, that it

1850
01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:28.880
<v Speaker 2>seems to be consistent phase, logical phases and steps. So,

1851
01:49:29.880 --> 01:49:32.199
<v Speaker 2>like I was saying at the beginning, and the pop culture,

1852
01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:36.880
<v Speaker 2>you get business plans or phases or steps of what's

1853
01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:40.560
<v Speaker 2>considered revolution and counter establishment. You know, back then it

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<v Speaker 2>was smoking dope and listening to the doors and sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>around free love. Now it's fight the establishment patriarchy's genders

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<v Speaker 2>that they've imposed on you. Yeah, that's the phases of

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<v Speaker 2>the degradation, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't get yeah, I'm sorry, as well.

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<v Speaker 2>As passing from Oh, the sixties are a revolution against

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the nineteen forties and fifties corporate man and

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the company man, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be free from all that, and we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>anti war. And then it becomes the serial killer phase, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it becomes the war on terror phase. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's there's no more serial killers, but there's all

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<v Speaker 2>the terrorists everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's also the health, the health scares like

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<v Speaker 1>the AIDS crisis, AIDS hysteria.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's a great one, which is mentioned as

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<v Speaker 2>an actual psychological war preparation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, for that very purpose to further the great society,

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<v Speaker 1>the hyper sexualized society, which is a big part of this,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, because the hyper sexualization you get the

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<v Speaker 1>uh well, you get the violence, you get the serial killer.

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<v Speaker 1>Sexual sex is a big thing with the serial killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, a sex deaf cult is a good way

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<v Speaker 2>to put it in.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny how you remove sex from procreation, you

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<v Speaker 1>immediately start.

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<v Speaker 2>To use it becomes connected to death. Death, yeah right,

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<v Speaker 2>the les petite more the little death. Yeah, as the

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<v Speaker 2>French term for organizasms.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. Wow, I didn't know that. Well, okay, well, Jake, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I kept you a long time on to thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've been very busy lady, and you've been

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<v Speaker 1>very generous with your time. I'm really appreciated it. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, And you'll be headed out soon back to

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<v Speaker 1>do some more filming. So I wish you, wish you

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<v Speaker 1>safe travels. Appreciate that, and uh we'll talk later on

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you're uh later in the spring, early in the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>See whatever comes up.